Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: hand held VHF with DSC

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have 3 boats, so I can get enough MMSIs to go around. I am not planning on 
reusing the same one on different radios.

Joe
Coquina
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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Russ,

Sorry you had to let your 35 go, but thanks for sharing some details. When
I first started looking last May/June there were a lot more boats, so I
assume that will happen again soon. $10K for a 35? I'd be all over that. I
looked at the 37 at SALTS last month (Tigger J), they were asking 18K but
it has soggy decks and not really cared for. But a good inventory of sails,
some brand new. I haven't seen it appear on their site, so either it sold,
or they are spending some time fixing it up to sell for more. The valuation
survey pointed out soggy decks and also a missing keel nut. Apparently it
has a custom deep keel for racing. Didn't get a good feel for it, seemed
like it was raced hard and put away wet. But still quite a bit of boat for
the money.


On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 8:27 AM Russ & Melody via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Shawn,
>
> Thanks for the update on Calisto. I almost went down to Esquimalt for a
> look, but better sense got ahold of me.
>
> You see, I sold my beloved 35 mk-1, *Sweet*, last summer because of a
> cruising boat project sitting in my yard. It is no good owning 2 boats. I
> have done that three times now.
> And I have a '83 Westy with the original 1.9 lt waterboxer engine @
> 400,000 km that I need to pull apart for a look some time (before it gives
> me trouble).
>
> I guess last summer you couldn't give a boat away. I let Sweet go for $22k
> and she was in sail-away condition with a perfect Storch Sails tri-radial
> main, furling, refrig, diesel *w *feathering prop, leather upholstery and
> looked great.
> A 30 mk-1 at my Club in perfect condition went for $10k. The old guy
> hardly ever sailed the boat, maybe twice a year, but spent hours each
> weekend puttering around on things like varnish and trinkets.
>
> There is another 30 mk-1 at the Club that was for sale last year that I
> can ask about the next time I'm there. I know of a Peterson 39 but it is a
> little more than $30k.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> ex-* Sweet*, 35 mk-1
>
> P.S. the cruising boat in the yard is a William Atkins design, Margery
> Daw. It is worlds away from a C design.
>
> At 09:12 AM 1/10/2019, you wrote:
>
> Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, starting with a solid
> hull/deck/rig and a sound design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat
> with all of these factors - they are usually deficient in one or more
> areas, with sails being the most common. The last two boats I looked at
> were mainly motored, so sails were original and they had no furlers. In
> fact, nearly all the boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ year old
> sails. The C 37 had a brand new racing main and about 8 other sails, but
> the boat was a mess. Around here, winds are very light and fickle in the
> summer, when most people cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless
> they venture beyond the inside passage.
>
> It's a shame the C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as it was the first boat I
> looked at in July, in really nice conditon, and I could have got it for $8K
> and been sailing already. But it had a wheel, and was really tight in the
> cockpit as a result, and the idea of a very tender boat doesn't thrill me
> after sailing a friend's MacGregor.Â
>
> I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 4 in a Westfalia for 20
> years), but we will need space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on
> rainy days, and to also sail/motor in rough conditions in reasonable
> comfort. Anything 27'+ has what we need usually, so it's just a matter of
> getting a solid boat with decent engine, sails and no major flaws that I
> can't fix easily fix. I am prepared to put in the work if the price is
> right; in fact I would prefer it, as I have lots of time, being retired. I
> am not afraid of engine work, so a rebuild doesn't scare me, but the price
> would have to reflect the amount of work needed.
>
> Thanks for all the tips!
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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

The 27 would also fit the bill. Mk1/2 are stiffer than the 3/4, but the 3/4 are 
better in light air. Mk5 is a whole different thing.

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Ronald B. Frerker 
via CnC-List 
Sent: January 10, 2019 12:23:29 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

I agree.  We had/have three 26s on Carlyle and they're very good boats.  The 
MacGregors are really poorly done and extremely lightly built boats.  I had the 
21 as my first boat and comparing it to my next boat, a San Juan 24, was 
comparing apples and oranges.
It's like comparing driving a WW II jeep to a Mercedes.
It seems to me, that you should really look at the C 30-1.  While not the 
greatest in light air for racing, it does move and it can really stand up to a 
blow.  It responds well, doing exactly what you expect it to do.  There were a 
lot sold, so easier to find and the prices quite frankly are way too cheap.
I would look for one with a diesel.
Of course, I'm a bit prejudiced since I sail one.
If/when I step up, it would be the 35-2.  I raced/cruised on one and it was 
great and a really beautiful boat to look at.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C 30-1
STL


On Thursday, January 10, 2019, 12:00:21 PM CST, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List 
 wrote:



I wouldn’t compare the 26 to a MacGregor.



It sounds like you need to get out sailing different boats more to help you 
decide what’s important, or not.







From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 11:13 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions



Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, starting with a solid 
hull/deck/rig and a sound design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat with 
all of these factors - they are usually deficient in one or more areas, with 
sails being the most common. The last two boats I looked at were mainly 
motored, so sails were original and they had no furlers. In fact, nearly all 
the boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ year old sails. The C 37 had 
a brand new racing main and about 8 other sails, but the boat was a mess. 
Around here, winds are very light and fickle in the summer, when most people 
cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless they venture beyond the inside 
passage.



It's a shame the C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as it was the first boat I looked 
at in July, in really nice conditon, and I could have got it for $8K and been 
sailing already. But it had a wheel, and was really tight in the cockpit as a 
result, and the idea of a very tender boat doesn't thrill me after sailing a 
friend's MacGregor.



I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 4 in a Westfalia for 20 
years), but we will need space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on rainy 
days, and to also sail/motor in rough conditions in reasonable comfort. 
Anything 27'+ has what we need usually, so it's just a matter of getting a 
solid boat with decent engine, sails and no major flaws that I can't fix easily 
fix. I am prepared to put in the work if the price is right; in fact I would 
prefer it, as I have lots of time, being retired. I am not afraid of engine 
work, so a rebuild doesn't scare me, but the price would have to reflect the 
amount of work needed.



Thanks for all the tips!



On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:49 AM Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

If this is what you want:



"I just want a boat I can sail, and feel safe and confident in."



For 25k, what I would be focusing on is a bare bones boat - forget about water 
makers, solar panels, and the rest of it. That's just like, my opinion, man. So 
take it for what it's worth. I would avoid that boat at all costs, though I do 
love the MKII. You can cruise without that stuff, it's all just "nice to 
haves". Add as you can down the road. Get a seaworthy boat with solid rigging, 
no soft decks, good sails and a well maintained engine - done. Out here on the 
Lakes there are a lot of racing boats, they are hit or miss. Some of them are 
raced hard and put away wet, others are raced hard and very well cared for. I 
would look for the latter.



Steve







On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 11:04 AM David via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

FYI.



All those power take-offs incrementally reduce the usable HP of the engine, 
presumable sized with one take off, not four.



I chose a 80 amp alternator upgrade in lieu of a 110 amp as I was told by 
Balmar that it might be more relative HP (10%) than you want to lose.  Many of 
our power-plants were not sized on the high side to begin with.



And my only experience with a Pathfinder diesel was not good.



Any boat that gives you a vibe like that...run.  Imagine the stuff/poor 
workmanship you cant see?



David F. Risch, J. D.

Gulf Stream Associates, LLC

(401) 419-4650





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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 question

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

The 37 is great a nice stiff boat

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 11:51 AM Dave Godwin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Well, might as well throw in; the old 37’ is a pretty sweet ride. To
> horribly mangle the Goldilocks meme: “not too little, not too big. Just
> right…"
>
> Regards,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
> On Jan 10, 2019, at 10:38 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> And I second the second on the 37 ! 
>
>
> John Conklin
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Richard
> Bush via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:48:55 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Richard Bush; bail...@gmail.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 question
>
> I second everything Bailey says, except, insert 37 where he has 36!
>
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596
>
>
> Richard N. Bush
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
> 502-584-7255
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bailey White via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Bailey White 
> Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2019 1:13 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 question
>
> hi Shawn,
>
> I suspect if you sail that C 36, you will buy it.  I have one like it, a
> 1979, and am delighted with its feel under sail and the way the boat works
> under power and at the dock or on the anchor for myself, girlfriend, and
> any friends or family we bring a long.  To me it is the perfect size, and I
> wouldn't want smaller.
>
> In light air, you can pass other cruising boats.  In heavy, you are
> relatively dry and comfortable.  As a performance sailor, I don't worry
> about stiffness too much.  I can always reduce sail.  I value light air
> performance as it is hard to make the mast longer.
>
> Your friends who are racers will remark about how nicely the boat steers
> compared to what they were expecting from a boat that is made to be so
> comfortable.
>
> People at the dock will compliment the boat and you might even feel pride
> and or sheepishness when you spent so little compared to their new big
> cruising power boats.
>
> From this list, it's pretty clear that all C are this good and if you
> are willing to spend more, go for the 37/40 or other newer one with more
> amenities.
>
> If not, get something like that 36.  I certainly have been pleased with
> mine.
>
> That one looks very clean to me and likely has the fundamentals right.
>
> Bailey
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List hand held VHF with DSC

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

On the Boat US MMSI registration form, there is an option to get another
MMSI number attached to your existing account.

Dennis C.

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 11:32 AM Dreuge via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I agree with Joel,
>
> Unless the handheld VHF is the only VHF, then it is better to get a
> different MMSI.
>
> I recently obtained a second MMSI for my portable.  No vessel information
> was required, I did provide a vessel name — “Little Ray” for my dinghy but
> I think that was not even required.
>
> A big advantage is that one can simultaneously use both: i.e. ping the
> location of the handheld VHF from the boat and have the location show up on
> the chart plotter.  Nice for cruising.And say one drops the handheld
> overboard, the position ping location will help one locate it (assuming the
> device is on or the person with it turns it on :-).
>
> Another plus is that one can bring the handheld on another vessel.
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C Landfall 38
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2019, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:55:37 -0500
> From: Joel Aronson 
> To: cnc-list 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List hand held VHF with DSC
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I got a separate MMSI from Boat US for the handheld.  It is associated with
> me, not my vessel. (at least that's my theory)
>
> Joel
>
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Re: Stus-List hand held VHF with DSC

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

I agree with Joel,

Unless the handheld VHF is the only VHF, then it is better to get a different 
MMSI.  

I recently obtained a second MMSI for my portable.  No vessel information was 
required, I did provide a vessel name — “Little Ray” for my dinghy but I think 
that was not even required.

A big advantage is that one can simultaneously use both: i.e. ping the location 
of the handheld VHF from the boat and have the location show up on the chart 
plotter.  Nice for cruising.And say one drops the handheld overboard, the 
position ping location will help one locate it (assuming the device is on or 
the person with it turns it on :-).

Another plus is that one can bring the handheld on another vessel.  





-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/



> On Jan 11, 2019, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:55:37 -0500
> From: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>>
> To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List hand held VHF with DSC
> Message-ID:
>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I got a separate MMSI from Boat US for the handheld.  It is associated with
> me, not my vessel. (at least that's my theory)
> 
> Joel

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Re: Stus-List hand held VHF with DSC

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I got a separate MMSI from Boat US for the handheld.  It is associated with
me, not my vessel. (at least that's my theory)

Joel


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On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 11:46 AM Neil Gallagher via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have the same situation:  fixed and handheld both with DSC. From my MMSI
> certificate:
>
> *All radios and other MMSI-requiring equipment (such as AIS units)
> permanently associated with the vessel should use the same MMSI. The MMSI
> number will* *remain with that vessel and its equipment regardless of
> owner. The registration must be cancelled or updated to reflect a new owner
> upon sale or trade of the* *vessel.*
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly, 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
>
>
> On 1/11/2019 11:32 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Long story, but our local racing fleet has made a requirement that a boat
> must carry a handheld VHF *with DSC* for offshore.
>
>
>
> Admittedly, I haven’t looked into this yet, but my question to this crowd
> is; I already have an issued MMSI number for the boat’s AIS, is it smart to
> use that same number for the handheld also?   It seems, since it is
> portable and I theoretically could carry the handheld to any boat, I should
> register it with it’s own MMSI.   Is anyone aware of requirements or
> standard procedure for this?
>
>
>
> Second question, are other fleets out there requiring this?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
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Re: Stus-List hand held VHF with DSC

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

I have the same situation:  fixed and handheld both with DSC. From my 
MMSI certificate:

/
//All radios and other MMSI-requiring equipment (such as AIS units) 
permanently associated with the vessel should use the same MMSI. The 
MMSI number willremain with that vessel and its equipment regardless 
of owner. The registration must be cancelled or updated to reflect a new 
owner upon sale or trade of thevessel./


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly, 35-1
Glen Cove, NY



On 1/11/2019 11:32 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List wrote:


Long story, but our local racing fleet has made a requirement that a 
boat must carry a handheld VHF _with DSC_ for offshore.


Admittedly, I haven’t looked into this yet, but my question to this 
crowd is; I already have an issued MMSI number for the boat’s AIS, is 
it smart to use that same number for the handheld also?   It seems, 
since it is portable and I theoretically could carry the handheld to 
any boat, I should register it with it’s own MMSI.   Is anyone aware 
of requirements or standard procedure for this?


Second question, are other fleets out there requiring this?

Thanks,



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Stus-List hand held VHF with DSC

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Long story, but our local racing fleet has made a requirement that a boat must 
carry a handheld VHF with DSC for offshore.   

 

Admittedly, I haven’t looked into this yet, but my question to this crowd is; I 
already have an issued MMSI number for the boat’s AIS, is it smart to use that 
same number for the handheld also?   It seems, since it is portable and I 
theoretically could carry the handheld to any boat, I should register it with 
it’s own MMSI.   Is anyone aware of requirements or standard procedure for this?

 

Second question, are other fleets out there requiring this?

 

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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 questions

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Shawn,

Thanks for the update on Calisto. I almost went 
down to Esquimalt for a look, but better sense got ahold of me.


You see, I sold my beloved 35 mk-1, Sweet, last 
summer because of a cruising boat project sitting 
in my yard. It is no good owning 2 boats. I have done that three times now.
And I have a '83 Westy with the original 1.9 lt 
waterboxer engine @ 400,000 km that I need to 
pull apart for a look some time (before it gives me trouble).


I guess last summer you couldn't give a boat 
away. I let Sweet go for $22k and she was in 
sail-away condition with a perfect Storch Sails 
tri-radial main, furling, refrig, diesel w 
feathering prop, leather upholstery and looked great.
A 30 mk-1 at my Club in perfect condition went 
for $10k. The old guy hardly ever sailed the 
boat, maybe twice a year, but spent hours each 
weekend puttering around on things like varnish and trinkets.


There is another 30 mk-1 at the Club that was for 
sale last year that I can ask about the next time 
I'm there. I know of a Peterson 39 but it is a little more than $30k.


Cheers, Russ
ex-Sweet, 35 mk-1

P.S. the cruising boat in the yard is a William 
Atkins design, Margery Daw. It is worlds away from a C design.


At 09:12 AM 1/10/2019, you wrote:
Yes, I am trying to focus on the boat first, 
starting with a solid hull/deck/rig and a sound 
design. So far, I have yet to come across a boat 
with all of these factors - they are usually 
deficient in one or more areas, with sails being 
the most common. The last two boats I looked at 
were mainly motored, so sails were original and 
they had no furlers. In fact, nearly all the 
boats I've seen had original or at least 20+ 
year old sails. The C 37 had a brand new 
racing main and about 8 other sails, but the 
boat was a mess. Around here, winds are very 
light and fickle in the summer, when most people 
cruise, so many boats are mainly motored unless 
they venture beyond the inside passage.


It's a shame the C 26 isn't a bit stiffer, as 
it was the first boat I looked at in July, in 
really nice conditon, and I could have got it 
for $8K and been sailing already. But it had a 
wheel, and was really tight in the cockpit as a 
result, and the idea of a very tender boat 
doesn't thrill me after sailing a friend's MacGregor.Â


I don't want luxury (we've camped as a family of 
4 in a Westfalia for 20 years), but we will need 
space for 2 adults to be comfortable inside on 
rainy days, and to also sail/motor in rough 
conditions in reasonable comfort. Anything 27'+ 
has what we need usually, so it's just a matter 
of getting a solid boat with decent engine, 
sails and no major flaws that I can't fix easily 
fix. I am prepared to put in the work if the 
price is right; in fact I would prefer it, as I 
have lots of time, being retired. I am not 
afraid of engine work, so a rebuild doesn't 
scare me, but the price would have to reflect the amount of work needed.


Thanks for all the tips!
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Re: Stus-List DX900+

[Pete Shelquist via CnC-List]

Bill – 

Just in case you haven’t already seen this one, here’s an article w/comments 
that is relatively current.   Additional links buried in there too.

https://www.panbo.com/airmar-2018-part-2-ultrasonic-and-em-speedo-mysteries-unraveled-plus-new-udst800/
 

 

Let me know if you hear anything new, but it sounds like waiting a little bit 
isn’t a bad idea.  

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Bill Coleman via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 5:00 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List DX900+

 

 

Does anyone have any experience with Airmar’s DX900+, the electromagnetic 
Speed, Temp, Depth and Cross track error Transducer?

I had read some good articles on it, but then I recall also hearing that it 
wasn’t ready for prime time yet.

Wondering if I should wait until possible bugs are worked out.

 

 

Bill Coleman

C 39 Erie, PA

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Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 question

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Well, might as well throw in; the old 37’ is a pretty sweet ride. To horribly 
mangle the Goldilocks meme: “not too little, not too big. Just right…"

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

> On Jan 10, 2019, at 10:38 PM, John Conklin via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> And I second the second on the 37 ! 
>  
>  
> John Conklin
>  
> From: CnC-List  > on behalf of Richard Bush via 
> CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:48:55 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Richard Bush; bail...@gmail.com 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 question
>  
> I second everything Bailey says, except, insert 37 where he has 36!
> 
> Richard
> s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596
> 
> 
> Richard N. Bush 
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
> 502-584-7255
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bailey White via CnC-List  >
> To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Bailey White mailto:bail...@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2019 1:13 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1974 36 mk2 question
> 
> hi Shawn,
> 
> I suspect if you sail that C 36, you will buy it.  I have one like it, a 
> 1979, and am delighted with its feel under sail and the way the boat works 
> under power and at the dock or on the anchor for myself, girlfriend, and any 
> friends or family we bring a long.  To me it is the perfect size, and I 
> wouldn't want smaller. 
> 
> In light air, you can pass other cruising boats.  In heavy, you are 
> relatively dry and comfortable.  As a performance sailor, I don't worry about 
> stiffness too much.  I can always reduce sail.  I value light air performance 
> as it is hard to make the mast longer. 
> 
> Your friends who are racers will remark about how nicely the boat steers 
> compared to what they were expecting from a boat that is made to be so 
> comfortable.  
> 
> People at the dock will compliment the boat and you might even feel pride and 
> or sheepishness when you spent so little compared to their new big cruising 
> power boats.
> 
> From this list, it's pretty clear that all C are this good and if you are 
> willing to spend more, go for the 37/40 or other newer one with more 
> amenities.  
> 
> If not, get something like that 36.  I certainly have been pleased with mine. 
>  
> 
> That one looks very clean to me and likely has the fundamentals right.  
> 
> Bailey
> 
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