Re: Stus-List Cruising Love

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

a Pomeranian will work better - real cute and portable

Don
Fireball



On 4/9/2020 6:01 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List wrote:

Best bet get a lovable dog like a miniature Yorkie and go out in public.
If you cant do it maybe the puppy will. Mans best friend

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 4:19 PM Will Gerstmyer via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


This may be the weirdest posting but i like this forum and it is
important to me so I’ll risk asking.
I am seeking a 50-60-ish woman who wants to cruise the world with
me, a live-aboard. Oh, and we need to fall in love, too.
I needn’t be the captain.
My profile “Bohemon” can be found on freebie site OKCupid or
simply write/call me.
Yes I can single-hand my boat but that isn’t the dream.

Will Gerstmyer
1986 C 41
Portland ME (at present)
978-609-1331
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. 
Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support
the list - use PayPal to send contribution --
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

--
Sent from Gmail Mobile

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Cruising Love

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

The owner of a classic sailboat here in St. Michaels met her now husband on a 
sailing romance web site. They are now taking their extended cruise around the 
world on his Amel. 

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Randy Stafford via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:42 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Randy Stafford 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Love

 

Gotta confess, I had a hearty laugh over that too.  Thanks Matt :D

 

One anecdote for Will.  Colorado Sail & Yacht Club has a Meetup group 
(meetup.com  ) as a recruiting tool.  It’s been surprisingly 
popular, with 350 members.  We invite them to social events, cruising events, 
practice races, etc. (with RSVP limits of course).  Anyway, this winter I 
SurveyMonkey’d the members about their sailing interests.  One of my survey 
questions was “why did you join this Meetup group?” with answer choices of “it 
will look cool on my Meetup profile” and “I’ll find a romantic relationship” 
along with more serious choices of course.  Anyway it turned out about 8% of 
respondents ticked the “looking for love” box.  Moral of the story, maybe you 
can find sailing Meetup groups in your location(s) and meet eligible candidates 
that way.

 

Cheers,

Randy





On Apr 9, 2020, at 2:22 PM, Matt Wolford via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

If you're looking for love on this list, I'm afraid you'll be single-handling 
more than your boat.

Sorry, Stu, I couldn't resist.

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> > On Behalf Of Will Gerstmyer via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 3:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Will Gerstmyer mailto:wgerstm...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Cruising Love

This may be the weirdest posting but i like this forum and it is important to 
me so I’ll risk asking. 
I am seeking a 50-60-ish woman who wants to cruise the world with me, a 
live-aboard. Oh, and we need to fall in love, too. 
I needn’t be the captain. 
My profile “Bohemon” can be found on freebie site OKCupid or simply write/call 
me. 
Yes I can single-hand my boat but that isn’t the dream. 

Will Gerstmyer 
1986 C 41 
Portland ME (at present)
978-609-1331
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray



___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Cruising Love

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

ROFLMAO

Possible recruiting ground:

https://www.singlesonsailboats.org/

You have a problem that is hard to solve, captains looking for female 
crew outnumber the reverse by probably 1000:1. You really might be 
better off singlehanding (THE BOAT!!!) and seeing who you meet along the 
way.


Joe

Coquina C 35 MK I


On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:23 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


If you're looking for love on this list, I'm afraid you'll be
single-handling more than your boat.

Sorry, Stu, I couldn't resist.

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Cruising Love

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Best bet get a lovable dog like a miniature Yorkie and go out in public.
If you cant do it maybe the puppy will. Mans best friend

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 4:19 PM Will Gerstmyer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This may be the weirdest posting but i like this forum and it is important
> to me so I’ll risk asking.
> I am seeking a 50-60-ish woman who wants to cruise the world with me, a
> live-aboard. Oh, and we need to fall in love, too.
> I needn’t be the captain.
> My profile “Bohemon” can be found on freebie site OKCupid or simply
> write/call me.
> Yes I can single-hand my boat but that isn’t the dream.
>
> Will Gerstmyer
> 1986 C 41
> Portland ME (at present)
> 978-609-1331
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> --
Sent from Gmail Mobile
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Cruising Love

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Try putting a post on the C Sailboat Owners' Group on Facebook. Maybe
you'll have better luck.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:23 PM Matt Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> If you're looking for love on this list, I'm afraid you'll be
> single-handling more than your boat.
>
> Sorry, Stu, I couldn't resist.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Will
> Gerstmyer via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 3:19 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Will Gerstmyer 
> Subject: Stus-List Cruising Love
>
> This may be the weirdest posting but i like this forum and it is important
> to me so I’ll risk asking.
> I am seeking a 50-60-ish woman who wants to cruise the world with me, a
> live-aboard. Oh, and we need to fall in love, too.
> I needn’t be the captain.
> My profile “Bohemon” can be found on freebie site OKCupid or simply
> write/call me.
> Yes I can single-hand my boat but that isn’t the dream.
>
> Will Gerstmyer
> 1986 C 41
> Portland ME (at present)
> 978-609-1331
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.paypal.me/stumurray__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!-p42b5b5-NQINAKAyNtmjHfZ_dCcY2HLU9aAocVJgamowbZxnaQUy_R8RFV_NDWJaP8$
>
>
>
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.paypal.me/stumurray__;!!LIr3w8kk_Xxm!-p42b5b5-NQINAKAyNtmjHfZ_dCcY2HLU9aAocVJgamowbZxnaQUy_R8RFV_NDWJaP8$
>
>
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Cruising Love

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Gotta confess, I had a hearty laugh over that too.  Thanks Matt :D

One anecdote for Will.  Colorado Sail & Yacht Club has a Meetup group 
(meetup.com ) as a recruiting tool.  It’s been surprisingly 
popular, with 350 members.  We invite them to social events, cruising events, 
practice races, etc. (with RSVP limits of course).  Anyway, this winter I 
SurveyMonkey’d the members about their sailing interests.  One of my survey 
questions was “why did you join this Meetup group?” with answer choices of “it 
will look cool on my Meetup profile” and “I’ll find a romantic relationship” 
along with more serious choices of course.  Anyway it turned out about 8% of 
respondents ticked the “looking for love” box.  Moral of the story, maybe you 
can find sailing Meetup groups in your location(s) and meet eligible candidates 
that way.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Apr 9, 2020, at 2:22 PM, Matt Wolford via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> If you're looking for love on this list, I'm afraid you'll be single-handling 
> more than your boat.
> 
> Sorry, Stu, I couldn't resist.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Will Gerstmyer 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 3:19 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Will Gerstmyer 
> Subject: Stus-List Cruising Love
> 
> This may be the weirdest posting but i like this forum and it is important to 
> me so I’ll risk asking. 
> I am seeking a 50-60-ish woman who wants to cruise the world with me, a 
> live-aboard. Oh, and we need to fall in love, too. 
> I needn’t be the captain. 
> My profile “Bohemon” can be found on freebie site OKCupid or simply 
> write/call me. 
> Yes I can single-hand my boat but that isn’t the dream. 
> 
> Will Gerstmyer 
> 1986 C 41 
> Portland ME (at present)
> 978-609-1331
> ___
> 
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Birds and Stones

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Yes you have

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:05 PM Steve Staten via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> How about, "Crushing two food riots with one mobile microwave unit"?
>
> Sorry, I've been extrapolating a bit too much lately.
>
> Steve Staten
> "C' Est La Vie"
> C 26
> Langley, OK, USA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 9, 2020, at 2:41 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Off topic, but I hate the phrase “killing two birds with one stone”.  Who
> wants to kill birds with stones, let alone two at once?  Horrible thought.
>  We can have a contest to come up with alternatives.  Mine is:  “kill two
> mosquitos with one swat”. Absolutely no guilt. Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
> 
>
>
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> --
Sent from Gmail Mobile
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem, now birds and stones

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Wish i could swat that damned invisible tiny virus

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 4:36 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Off topic, but I hate the phrase “killing two birds with one stone”.  Who
> wants to kill birds with stones, let alone two at once?  Horrible thought.
>   We can have a contest to come up with alternatives.  Mine is:  “kill two
> mosquitos with one swat”. Absolutely no guilt. Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
>
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> --
Sent from Gmail Mobile
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Correct and important

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 12:03 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have no restrainer. You need the sail at the right height to not get
> wraps. If the sail is too low there are a couple of easy fixes.
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I*
>
> *www.dellabarba.com *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Graham
> Collins via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 09, 2020 10:55 AM
> *To:* David Knecht via CnC-List 
> *Cc:* Graham Collins 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Halyard problem
>
>
>
> No restrainer, no problem.  Harken furler, I replaced a broken Hood furler
> the previous owner had, no evidence there's ever been a restrainer on the
> mast.
>
> Graham Collins
>
> Secret Plans
>
> C 35-III #11
>
> On 2020-04-09 11:43 a.m., David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Francois emailed me off list to say that with the same rig, he has no
> halyard restrainer and has never had a problem with halyard wrap.  So I am
> considering removing the restrainer.  This is surely to some extent rig
> specific, but I am wondering
>
>
>
> 1.  how many people have them and how many don’t
>
> 2.  If without, have you had halyard wrap problems?
>
>
>
> David Knecht
>
> S/V Aries
>
> 1990 C 34+
>
> New London, CT
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ___
>
>
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
>
>
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> --
Sent from Gmail Mobile
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List securing cables in mast

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

David, Yes.  The mast on my 37+ from Offshore Spars came with a conduit of
sorts already installed.  It was black poly tubing riveted to the forward
inside face of the mast.  During the mast rebuild the yard suggested
upgrading to pvc since it would be a little more robust.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 07:31 David Risch via CnC-List 
wrote:

> So let me understand this...folks have installed conduit for the length of
> the mast inside the mast...?  Thought of that but abandoned due to
> complexity or did I overthink?
>
> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Shawn
> Wright via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 11:22:38 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> *Cc:* Shawn Wright 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List securing cables in mast
>
> I used CL200 for our irrigation system, as it was about half the price of
> CSA/UL approved schedule 40. It is definitely thinner, which in this case
> is a bonus. For water pipes, not so much, but I have >1000' in the ground
> and no leaks after the 10 years, except for those pipes I've hit with
> something. In my experience, schedule 40 has much higher strength and
> impact resistance, and schedule 80 even more so, but it's not an issue
> inside the mast. For making a support for a winter cover, I'd use sched 40.
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah that CL 200 is the pvc which I have for reference.  When I pulled the
> upc off the side it came up as scheduled 40.  I don't know the difference.
> I've never really had to research pvc pipe so I'm a little out of my
> element.
>
> Josh
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:27 Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I had hoped to pull our mast soon, but with the mast crane out of service
> due to covid, it will have to wait. Some great info on this thread, so I
> will save it.
>
> One option for thinner PVC is to use white (water) PVC, which you can get
> in a CL200 rating (at least in Canada) for light use; it is a bit thinner
> walled, and UV resistance is not an issue inside the mast. You could also
> seek out aluminum electrical conduit, which will be even thinner. Regarding
> sizing, I just installed two 3/4" conduits (grey electrical type) through
> the bilge for wiring, and was able to get the wiring for both Garmin and
> Standard horizon depth sounders through one conduit by staggering the
> connectors - two 7 pin DIN twist lock, and one RCA for the old SH unit.
> Once the connectors are through, there is plenty of space for smaller
> cables.
> Holding the conduit in place while drilling and riveting might be
> challenge also. Too bad the mast doesn't have a wire track like some of the
> newer ones.
>
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:30 PM Nathan Post via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> As one of my boat projects this spring I am replacing the electrical
> wiring in my mast.   The mast is currently down (horizontal) so now is the
> time to do it.  I want to secure the wires in the mast, in particular to
> reduce noise (when rocking at anchor).  Wisper is a 1981 C 34 with a keel
> stepped mast and 5 internal halyards in addition to the wires.  The cables
> are for wind instruments, masthead and steaming lights, VHF coax, and radar
> (power and communication) so it will be a substantial bundle with a
> separate drop at the spreader.  The two approaches I am considering are:
>
> 1) Creating a bundle (wiring harness) of the cables and placing 3 large
> cable ties on the bundle at perhaps 2 or 3 foot intervals with the tails
> sticking out at 120 deg angles that will bend over and press against the
> mast and keep the cables in the middle.  I would use Panduit metal barb
> outdoor zip ties which are robust, smooth edged, and long lasting.
>
> 2) Installing a PVC conduit (using rivets?) with a feeder line for the
> cables and then running the cables through it.
>
> There is support of both methods in various forums online.  Cable ties are
> definitely the simpler method.  The main advantages to the conduit that I
> see is being able to run an additional wire through it at a later time
> potentially with the mast up.  Also I might be able to run cables from top
> to bottom so that a large connector can remain preinstalled on the top (for
> example for the radar unit) rather than needing to feed everything in to
> the bottom at once and then fishing the ends out the various small holes in
> the mast and reattaching connectors.  The disadvantage is the effort
> required to install it and the additional holes I would need to create in
> the mast.  I am also unsure how quiet 

Re: Stus-List securing cables in mast

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Cable ties also make it a pain in the ass to change out wire.  Might be the
next guy's problem... Then again it might be yours.

Josh

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 07:58 Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What happened to the old trick of using wire ties? You put a bunch of them
> on, don’t trim the tails, and thus the wires are held more or less in the
> center.
>
> Say every 3 or 4 feet you put three on with 120 degree spacing.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I*
>
> *www.dellabarba.com *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *David
> Risch via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 09, 2020 7:31 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* David Risch 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List securing cables in mast
>
> g this list with your contributions.  Each and every one is greatly
> appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send
> contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
>
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Halyard wraps are always caused by the angle of the halyard compared to the
headstay.  The mast head attachment for the headstay, the height of the
sheaves compared to the attachment, the "J" length of your boat, and
finally the full hoist height of your sail all contribute to whether or not
you experience wraps.  Even boats with restrainers can get wraps if they
fly a sail with a luff that was too short and the furler swivel doesn't
make it to full hoist.  A short luff can be flown but a length of cordage
needs to be added to the tack or head so as to allow the furler swivel to
be hoisted full height.  Storm sails are good examples of this situation.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 12:18 Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
wrote:

> FYI, a related issue may be how close your upper furler assembly is to the
> top of the forestay.  I was having all kinds of halyard wrapping problems
> and considered installing a halyard restrainer.  As an interim step, I
> added a long D shackle between the tack of the sail and the drum fitting
> (deck level), which raised the sail about 2 inches.  This was sufficient to
> resolve my problem without adding a restrainer.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
> To: CnC CnC discussion list 
> Cc: David Knecht 
> Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2020 10:44 am
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Halyard problem
>
> Francois emailed me off list to say that with the same rig, he has no
> halyard restrainer and has never had a problem with halyard wrap.  So I am
> considering removing the restrainer.  This is surely to some extent rig
> specific, but I am wondering
>
>
>
> 1.  how many people have them and how many don’t
>
> 2.  If without, have you had halyard wrap problems?
>
>
>
> David Knecht
>
> S/V Aries
>
> 1990 C 34+
>
> New London, CT
>
>
>
>
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
>
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Cruising Love

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Remember Reid Stow?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZNhvJjGH_4
His amorous circumnavigation adventures were New York Times fodder for a while. 
 A tad eccentric..
Good luck with this Will...

Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Will Gerstmyer via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 3:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Will Gerstmyer 
Subject: Stus-List Cruising Love

This may be the weirdest posting but i like this forum and it is important to 
me so I’ll risk asking. 
I am seeking a 50-60-ish woman who wants to cruise the world with me, a 
live-aboard. Oh, and we need to fall in love, too. 
I needn’t be the captain. 
My profile “Bohemon” can be found on freebie site OKCupid or simply write/call 
me. 
Yes I can single-hand my boat but that isn’t the dream. 

Will Gerstmyer 
1986 C 41 
Portland ME (at present)
978-609-1331
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray



___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Cruising Love

[John McCrea via CnC-List]

A couple more weeks in the house with my 18 and 21 one-year-old sons and I 
think my wife would be willing! Best of luck! 

 

From: Edd Schillay  
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 4:05 PM
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Love

 

Oh geez……

 

 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Captain of the Starship Enterprise

C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log  

 








 






 

On Apr 9, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Will Gerstmyer via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

This may be the weirdest posting but i like this forum and it is important to 
me so I’ll risk asking. 
I am seeking a 50-60-ish woman who wants to cruise the world with me, a 
live-aboard. Oh, and we need to fall in love, too. 
I needn’t be the captain. 
My profile “Bohemon” can be found on freebie site OKCupid or simply write/call 
me. 
Yes I can single-hand my boat but that isn’t the dream. 

Will Gerstmyer 
1986 C 41 
Portland ME (at present)
978-609-1331
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Cruising Love

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Now that was funny.

 

On a more serious note, I remember an article of a cruiser saying he met  the 
perfect first mate at one of those cruising seminars, I think held in 
Annapolis. 

But, I wouldn’t hold your breath until one of those happens again.

 

Better yet,  Troll Tinder.

 

Bill Coleman

Erie PA

 

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Matt Wolford 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 4:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: wolf...@erie.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruising Love

 

If you're looking for love on this list, I'm afraid you'll be single-handling 
more than your boat.

 

Sorry, Stu, I couldn't resist.

 

-Original Message-

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Will Gerstmyer via 
CnC-List

Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 3:19 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Cc: Will Gerstmyer 

Subject: Stus-List Cruising Love

 

This may be the weirdest posting but i like this forum and it is important to 
me so I’ll risk asking. 

I am seeking a 50-60-ish woman who wants to cruise the world with me, a 
live-aboard. Oh, and we need to fall in love, too. 

I needn’t be the captain. 

My profile “Bohemon” can be found on freebie site OKCupid or simply write/call 
me. 

Yes I can single-hand my boat but that isn’t the dream. 

 

Will Gerstmyer 

1986 C 41 

Portland ME (at present)

978-609-1331

___

 

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

 

 

 

___

 

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Cruising Love

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Try cruisers forum. Similar posts show up regularly

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 4:06 PM Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Oh geez……
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Captain of the Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL
>
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 9, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Will Gerstmyer via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> This may be the weirdest posting but i like this forum and it is important
> to me so I’ll risk asking.
> I am seeking a 50-60-ish woman who wants to cruise the world with me, a
> live-aboard. Oh, and we need to fall in love, too.
> I needn’t be the captain.
> My profile “Bohemon” can be found on freebie site OKCupid or simply
> write/call me.
> Yes I can single-hand my boat but that isn’t the dream.
>
> Will Gerstmyer
> 1986 C 41
> Portland ME (at present)
> 978-609-1331
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
>
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> --
Joel
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Cruising Love

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

If you're looking for love on this list, I'm afraid you'll be single-handling 
more than your boat.

Sorry, Stu, I couldn't resist.

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Will Gerstmyer via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 3:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Will Gerstmyer 
Subject: Stus-List Cruising Love

This may be the weirdest posting but i like this forum and it is important to 
me so I’ll risk asking. 
I am seeking a 50-60-ish woman who wants to cruise the world with me, a 
live-aboard. Oh, and we need to fall in love, too. 
I needn’t be the captain. 
My profile “Bohemon” can be found on freebie site OKCupid or simply write/call 
me. 
Yes I can single-hand my boat but that isn’t the dream. 

Will Gerstmyer 
1986 C 41 
Portland ME (at present)
978-609-1331
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray



___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Birds and Stones

[Steve Staten via CnC-List]

How about, "Crushing two food riots with one mobile microwave unit"?

Sorry, I've been extrapolating a bit too much lately.

Steve Staten
"C' Est La Vie"
C 26
Langley, OK, USA

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 9, 2020, at 2:41 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Off topic, but I hate the phrase “killing two birds with one stone”.  Who wants 
to kill birds with stones, let alone two at once?  Horrible thought.   We can 
have a contest to come up with alternatives.  Mine is:  “kill two mosquitos 
with one swat”. Absolutely no guilt. Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT




___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Cruising Love

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Oh geez……



All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 











On Apr 9, 2020, at 3:18 PM, Will Gerstmyer via CnC-List  
wrote:

This may be the weirdest posting but i like this forum and it is important to 
me so I’ll risk asking. 
I am seeking a 50-60-ish woman who wants to cruise the world with me, a 
live-aboard. Oh, and we need to fall in love, too. 
I needn’t be the captain. 
My profile “Bohemon” can be found on freebie site OKCupid or simply write/call 
me. 
Yes I can single-hand my boat but that isn’t the dream. 

Will Gerstmyer 
1986 C 41 
Portland ME (at present)
978-609-1331
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray


___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List birds and stones

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Having watched a lot of survival shows, when looking for food, killing two 
birds with one stone would be a dream come true. 

Seems like a great phrase. 

But what do I know? I still can’t figure out why they still blur everyone’s 
junk and bleep out curse words on “Naked & Afraid: Uncensored” 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 











On Apr 9, 2020, at 3:56 PM, Matt Wolford via CnC-List  
wrote:

Just an expression, Dave.  Sorry to offend.
 
I like most birds, including “flying rat” seagulls.  I’m not wild about purple 
martins that rest on my masthead antenna while migrating through Presque Isle 
bay, or resident geese that crap on everything.  For them, I need a bigger 
stone.
 
From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>> On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 3:36 PM
To: CnC discussion list CnC mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Halyard problem, now birds and stones
 
Off topic, but I hate the phrase “killing two birds with one stone”.  Who wants 
to kill birds with stones, let alone two at once?  Horrible thought.   We can 
have a contest to come up with alternatives.  Mine is:  “kill two mosquitos 
with one swat”. Absolutely no guilt. Dave
 
S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT


 
 
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Stus-List birds and stones

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

Just an expression, Dave.  Sorry to offend.

 

I like most birds, including “flying rat” seagulls.  I’m not wild about purple 
martins that rest on my masthead antenna while migrating through Presque Isle 
bay, or resident geese that crap on everything.  For them, I need a bigger 
stone.

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of David Knecht via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 3:36 PM
To: CnC discussion list CnC 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Halyard problem, now birds and stones

 

Off topic, but I hate the phrase “killing two birds with one stone”.  Who wants 
to kill birds with stones, let alone two at once?  Horrible thought.   We can 
have a contest to come up with alternatives.  Mine is:  “kill two mosquitos 
with one swat”. Absolutely no guilt. Dave

 

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem, now birds and stones

[Sylvain Laplante via CnC-List]

 In french we say  "faire d'une pierre deux coups" which translates to "getting 
two hits with one shot"
Can mean many things...Or nothing
SylvainC

On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 3:36:59 PM EDT, David Knecht via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Off topic, but I hate the phrase “killing two birds with one stone”.  Who 
wants to kill birds with stones, let alone two at once?  Horrible thought.   We 
can have a contest to come up with alternatives.  Mine is:  “kill two mosquitos 
with one swat”. Absolutely no guilt. Dave
S/V Aries1990 C 34+New London, CT


___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

  ___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem, now birds and stones

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Off topic, but I hate the phrase “killing two birds with one stone”.  Who wants 
to kill birds with stones, let alone two at once?  Horrible thought.   We can 
have a contest to come up with alternatives.  Mine is:  “kill two mosquitos 
with one swat”. Absolutely no guilt. Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT




___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Stus-List Cruising Love

[Will Gerstmyer via CnC-List]

This may be the weirdest posting but i like this forum and it is important to 
me so I’ll risk asking. 
I am seeking a 50-60-ish woman who wants to cruise the world with me, a 
live-aboard. Oh, and we need to fall in love, too. 
I needn’t be the captain. 
My profile “Bohemon” can be found on freebie site OKCupid or simply write/call 
me. 
Yes I can single-hand my boat but that isn’t the dream. 

Will Gerstmyer 
1986 C 41 
Portland ME (at present)
978-609-1331
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

I rarely say “never,” but never use a winch to bring in your furling line.  
Okay, almost never, but you better need it due to breezy conditions and not 
something hanging up.

 

Also, my decision to use a long D shackle at the drum fitting instead of a 
halyard restrainer was due, in part, to the fact that there was a halyard 
restrainer in the chart table and a matching hole pattern at the top of the 
mast.  The PO must have used it then removed it.  I figured there was a reason 
he removed it, so I decided to try small adjustments before reinstalling.  I 
discovered the cause of the wrapping problem using a pair of binoculars while 
beginning to furl.  Everything is very close at the top of the mast, and a 
small adjustment can make a big difference.

 

Also, I could have attached a small tether line to the head of the sail and 
achieved the same result, but the shackle on the tack is actually easier to 
attach to the drum fitting than the sail itself.  As such, I killed two birds 
with one stone.

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 12:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

 

Hi Divid, 

You've had the boat a while and the restrainer was probably suggested by the 
sailmaker and the sails cut to reflect that, so removing it may cause new 
problems.  

 

Is the halyard chafe new?  When did it start?  I would look for something that 
has changed recently.  Has the restrainer been changed recently?  I think 
Schaefer makes two sizes of "fairlead style" restrainers like yours and a 
pulley style also.  Maybe it got switched?  Or maybe the fastener for the cage 
was replaced with a round head screw or backed out enough to cut the halyard? 

 

I would definitely grind and wet sand and polish the cage where it is scored, 
and check the pulleys for wear.  Your chafe may be from the halyard pulley?

 

I suffered some chafe from a sharp edge on the top of my furler section.  My 
own fault.  I damaged the furler the first time I used it because I put my 
genoa on and didn't realize I trapped a spin halyard in the sail as I wrapped 
the genoa and then did a stupid thing.  I pulled hard on the furling line from 
the cockpit, thinking it needed to be trained and then did a stupid thing and 
used my winch to pull harder.   The mechnical advantage allowed me to tear the 
plastic cap off the top of the furler section (bounced off the deck and into 
the water) and jambed the halyard schackle into the aluminum section tearing 
into that too.  Years later, I had a situation where I couldn't furl the sail, 
because the halyard got caught in the furler.  I had to tension the halyard 
more to raise the swivel and clear it before furling.  Later, I shortened the 
halyard to remove the bad end.  Now I mark the halyard with a sharpie where it 
meets the winch drum so I know it has enough tension to furl properly. 

 

This year, the mast is out so I decided to add a halyard restrainer similar to 
Josh's. 

 

Chuck, Resolute, C 34R, Pasadena, Md 

 

 

 

___ 

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 


  

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

The luff of my headsail, procured by the PO, is roughly 5” short compared to 
the headstay and halyard wraps were common (usually at inopportune times).  
Rather than extending the sail attachment at the furler drum,  I added a short 
length of 3/16” Spectra 12 strand rope to the head of the jib that connects to 
the swivel, thus allowing the swivel to ride up to the top of the foil to 
create sufficient angle of deflection between the halyard and headstay.

It hasn’t been perfect, as depending on the wind direction, there have been 
times when it is still tough to furl, but a big improvement overall.  The next 
sail will be better measured.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 35 Landfall

Padanaram, MA  

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Matt Wolford via 
CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 12:18 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: wolf...@erie.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

 

FYI, a related issue may be how close your upper furler assembly is to the top 
of the forestay.  I was having all kinds of halyard wrapping problems and 
considered installing a halyard restrainer.  As an interim step, I added a long 
D shackle between the tack of the sail and the drum fitting (deck level), which 
raised the sail about 2 inches.  This was sufficient to resolve my problem 
without adding a restrainer.

 

-Original Message-
From: David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
To: CnC CnC discussion list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2020 10:44 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

Francois emailed me off list to say that with the same rig, he has no halyard 
restrainer and has never had a problem with halyard wrap.  So I am considering 
removing the restrainer.  This is surely to some extent rig specific, but I am 
wondering  

 

1.  how many people have them and how many don’t

2.  If without, have you had halyard wrap problems? 

 

David Knecht

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Outboard Fic-x Follow-Up...

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I resurrected this thread to share a video I just made.  Hope this helps
show what I was talking about in the text.  It's not an outboard but the
fundamentals are still all there.

https://youtu.be/caIdvC8WGDg

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Sat, Dec 21, 2019, 14:00 CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
wrote:

> Thanks Josh,
>
> I printed your email and might tackle a few small engines I have at home.
> The tools recommended are cheap, so I ordered those.
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck, Resolute, 1989 C 34R, Pasadena, Md
>
> On December 20, 2019 at 9:51 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Often times the fuel filter is in the connection to the tank or actually
> attached to the end of the fuel line inside the tank.  They make acetylene
> torch tip cleaners that are micro fine round files.  They work very well
> for cleaning the jets.  As you use the files, you can feel a dramatic
> difference between the gunk/varnish and the bronze/brass metal of the fuel
> jets.
>
> Torch tip Cleaner
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014D1M62G/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_C-x.DbQNPP74P
>
> Carburetor Adjustment Tool, 9 Piece Carb Adjusting Turn-Up Screwdriver
> Tool Kit
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077N363CW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_Bby.Db47EQT6E
>
> If you have any adjustment screws they may help with the performance.  In
> the case of a single screw it is the minimum butterfly position primarily
> used for ensuring that a bare minimum of air makes it into the engine
> during starting.  Once the engine starts, the governor and throttle will
> counter act on one another to adjust the butterfly to maintain air and fuel
> mix and subsequently engine speed.  Depending on the engine and carb this
> screw may continue to control the minimum idle speed.  This single screw
> also ensures that the butterfly doesn't get jammed shut.
>
> If you have more than 1 screw it is most likely that you have a total of
> 3.  1 is off by itself and acts as the minimum butterfly position as
> described above.  The other 2 will be found together and act as the min
> throttle fuel adjust and the max throttle fuel adjust.  Min throttle is
> always flowing fuel so it will affect the idle speed and the max throttle
> fuel mix.  Every time you touch the min throttle fuel screw you will
> probably have to revisit the idle speed screw and the max throttle screw.
>
>  Before I begin making adjustments, I like to document where I am when I
> start.  I slowly count the turns clockwise on all screws until they lightly
> stop.  I write the three numbers down as reference settings.  Then I reset
> all 3 screws to their as found position.  If you have absolutely no good
> idea where the screws should be then start each of them one turn open
> (counterclockwise) from full shut (clockwise).  Most of these engines
> require a choke when cold and a full throttle for starting.  This primes
> the engine and ensures that the fuel lines, fuel bowl, and carb are full of
> fuel.  The choke ensures a rich A/F mix for cold starting.  If a priming
> bulb exists then pumping the bulb until it is full of fuel for a few pumps
> primes the engine as well.  When pulling the cord, after the first sputter
> you can take the choke to half (if it has one) or off if it doesn't.  Keep
> full throttle and retry the pull start.  If it won't start then verify
> spark.  Since full throttle is being applied, tweaking open the max fuel
> screw a 1/4 turn at a time will admit more fuel. If it still doesn't start
> then it suggests a clog in the high throttle fuel path.
>
> Once it starts, run it at full/elevated throttle for a few minutes to warm
> up the engine.  You know it is warm when you can take the choke all the way
> off and the engine surges up instead of dogging down.  This does assume
> that the fueling is already close.  If it is way off then an unchoked
> operation may not yet be possible.  Now you can start the real fuel
> adjustments.  Release the throttle and see if it stays running.  If it
> starts to die then goose the throttle enough to keep it running.  If it is
> slow to respond then open the min fuel screw slightly until the response is
> no longer sluggish.  Once the response is no longer sluggish you can tweak
> the minimum idle screw such that it just barely keeps the engine going
> smooth and even.  Goose the engine again to ensure no sluggishness.  If
> needed repeat.  At this point definitely make sure that the choke is off.
>
> Once the minimum throttle fuel and idle speed screws are adjusted then you
> can move on to the max throttle fuel screw.  Attempt to slowly raise
> throttle until full (WOT).  If the engine dogs down along the way then it
> may be getting too much fuel.  Tweak closed on the max throttle fuel screw
> and see if it improves.  If it doesn't dog down and you can get to full
> throttle then hold it there and attempt to tweak the max fuel screw open.
> The RPM should climb.  Continue until the point where it begins to die and
> 

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

[Sylvain Laplante via CnC-List]

 Hi,  I installed my restrainer same time I installed my Harken Mark IV furler, 
according to documentation I needed one and it was my feeling as well ( looking 
at the angle I had on my 27 ).This is what Haren had to say about it :
To be used if angle between halyard and headstay is less than 7°. This is 
common on masts where halyard sheave is very close to headstay.USE ONLY IF 
NECESSARYIf halyard angle is greater than 7° and halyard is wrapping a 
halyardrestrainer may not be necessary. Halyard swivel must be near top offoils 
and headstay must be tight. This will prevent halyard wraps inmost cases. 
Consult furling instruction manual.

Unfortunately I used stainless pop rivets to fix it to the mast, I will replace 
with stainless bolts eventually ( rivets are loosing a little every year )
SylvainC MkIII
On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 10:44:23 AM EDT, David Knecht via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Francois emailed me off list to say that with the same rig, he has no halyard 
restrainer and has never had a problem with halyard wrap.  So I am considering 
removing the restrainer.  This is surely to some extent rig specific, but I am 
wondering 
1.  how many people have them and how many don’t2.  If without, have you had 
halyard wrap problems?
David KnechtS/V Aries1990 C 34+New London, CT

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

  ___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

[Michael Brannon via CnC-List]

I do not have a halyard restrainer but I do need one.   It is in my chart table 
waiting to be put on.  Having said that I generally do not use my roller furler 
as I primarily race the my boat. 

 FYI,  Harken recommends the following to prevent halyard wrap: 
1. Halyard swivel should be within top 4–6" (100–152 mm) of foil unless a 
halyard restrainer is used.

2. Halyard must pull slightly to rear (8–10°).

3. Halyard must be snug, but not too tight.

As a note I am a rigger and while both the Harken and the Schaefer restrainers 
seem to work equally well I prefer the Harken as it has a sheave and should 
reduce wear on the halyard.


Sail Safe, 

Mike

Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
1979 C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA



> On Apr 9, 2020, at 10:43 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Francois emailed me off list to say that with the same rig, he has no halyard 
> restrainer and has never had a problem with halyard wrap.  So I am 
> considering removing the restrainer.  This is surely to some extent rig 
> specific, but I am wondering 
> 
> 1.  how many people have them and how many don’t
> 2.  If without, have you had halyard wrap problems?
> 
> David Knecht
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hi Divid,
You've had the boat a while and the restrainer was probably suggested by the 
sailmaker and the sails cut to reflect that, so removing it may cause new 
problems. 

Is the halyard chafe new?  When did it start?  I would look for something that 
has changed recently.  Has the restrainer been changed recently?  I think 
Schaefer makes two sizes of "fairlead style" restrainers like yours and a 
pulley style also.  Maybe it got switched?  Or maybe the fastener for the cage 
was replaced with a round head screw or backed out enough to cut the halyard?

I would definitely grind and wet sand and polish the cage where it is scored, 
and check the pulleys for wear.  Your chafe may be from the halyard pulley?   

I suffered some chafe from a sharp edge on the top of my furler section.  My 
own fault.  I damaged the furler the first time I used it because I put my 
genoa on and didn't realize I trapped a spin halyard in the sail as I wrapped 
the genoa and then did a stupid thing.  I pulled hard on the furling line from 
the cockpit, thinking it needed to be trained and then did a stupid thing and 
used my winch to pull harder.   The mechnical advantage allowed me to tear the 
plastic cap off the top of the furler section (bounced off the deck and into 
the water) and jambed the halyard schackle into the aluminum section tearing 
into that too.  Years later, I had a situation where I couldn't furl the sail, 
because the halyard got caught in the furler.  I had to tension the halyard 
more to raise the swivel and clear it before furling.  Later, I shortened the 
halyard to remove the bad end.  Now I mark the halyard with a sharpie where it 
meets the winch drum so I know it has enough tension to furl properly.

This year, the mast is out so I decided to add a halyard restrainer similar to 
Josh's.

Chuck, Resolute, C 34R, Pasadena, Md



> On April 9, 2020 at 10:43 AM David Knecht via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Francois emailed me off list to say that with the same rig, he has no 
> halyard restrainer and has never had a problem with halyard wrap.  So I am 
> considering removing the restrainer.  This is surely to some extent rig 
> specific, but I am wondering 
> 
> 1.  how many people have them and how many don’t
> 2.  If without, have you had halyard wrap problems?
> 
> David Knecht
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each 
> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> 
> 


___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

FYI, a related issue may be how close your upper furler assembly is to the top 
of the forestay.  I was having all kinds of halyard wrapping problems and 
considered installing a halyard restrainer.  As an interim step, I added a long 
D shackle between the tack of the sail and the drum fitting (deck level), which 
raised the sail about 2 inches.  This was sufficient to resolve my problem 
without adding a restrainer.

 

-Original Message-
From: David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
To: CnC CnC discussion list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: David Knecht mailto:davidakne...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2020 10:44 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

Francois emailed me off list to say that with the same rig, he has no halyard 
restrainer and has never had a problem with halyard wrap.  So I am considering 
removing the restrainer.  This is surely to some extent rig specific, but I am 
wondering  

 

1.  how many people have them and how many don’t

2.  If without, have you had halyard wrap problems? 

 

David Knecht

S/V Aries

1990 C 34+

New London, CT




 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

[Charlie Nelson via CnC-List]

I have one--lots of previous wrap problems were attributed to my lack of one by 
various riggers, sailmakers.
After a simple bale was added to serve as a restrainer (Harken restrainer was 
to large for the angle on my boat), I have had no problems with halyard wraps. 
YMMV!
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom1995 C 36 XL/kcb


-Original Message-
From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Sent: Thu, Apr 9, 2020 10:44 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

Francois emailed me off list to say that with the same rig, he has no halyard 
restrainer and has never had a problem with halyard wrap.  So I am considering 
removing the restrainer.  This is surely to some extent rig specific, but I am 
wondering 
1.  how many people have them and how many don’t2.  If without, have you had 
halyard wrap problems?
David KnechtS/V Aries1990 C 34+New London, CT

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --  https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

As Joe said, if the sail is at the right height, there will be no issues. I 
have a restrainer as my jib luff is about 10 inches too small, and I like to 
adjust where the jib sits on the forestay depending on if I’m racing (low) or 
cruising (high, with more visibility). 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Captain of the Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 











On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I have no restrainer. You need the sail at the right height to not get wraps. 
If the sail is too low there are a couple of easy fixes.
 
Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com 
 
 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
] On Behalf Of Graham Collins via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 10:55 AM
To: David Knecht via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Graham Collins mailto:cnclistforw...@hotmail.com>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Halyard problem
 
No restrainer, no problem.  Harken furler, I replaced a broken Hood furler the 
previous owner had, no evidence there's ever been a restrainer on the mast.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11
On 2020-04-09 11:43 a.m., David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
Francois emailed me off list to say that with the same rig, he has no halyard 
restrainer and has never had a problem with halyard wrap.  So I am considering 
removing the restrainer.  This is surely to some extent rig specific, but I am 
wondering  
 
1.  how many people have them and how many don’t
2.  If without, have you had halyard wrap problems? 
 
David Knecht
S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT


 


___
 
Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 

 
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have no restrainer. You need the sail at the right height to not get wraps. 
If the sail is too low there are a couple of easy fixes.

Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Graham 
Collins via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 10:55 AM
To: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Cc: Graham Collins 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Halyard problem


No restrainer, no problem.  Harken furler, I replaced a broken Hood furler the 
previous owner had, no evidence there's ever been a restrainer on the mast.

Graham Collins

Secret Plans

C 35-III #11
On 2020-04-09 11:43 a.m., David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
Francois emailed me off list to say that with the same rig, he has no halyard 
restrainer and has never had a problem with halyard wrap.  So I am considering 
removing the restrainer.  This is surely to some extent rig specific, but I am 
wondering

1.  how many people have them and how many don’t
2.  If without, have you had halyard wrap problems?

David Knecht
S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

[cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]




___



Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray


___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

No restrainer, no problem.  Harken furler, I replaced a broken Hood 
furler the previous owner had, no evidence there's ever been a 
restrainer on the mast.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2020-04-09 11:43 a.m., David Knecht via CnC-List wrote:
Francois emailed me off list to say that with the same rig, he has no 
halyard restrainer and has never had a problem with halyard wrap.  So 
I am considering removing the restrainer.  This is surely to some 
extent rig specific, but I am wondering


1.  how many people have them and how many don’t
2.  If without, have you had halyard wrap problems?

David Knecht
S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Halyard problem

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Francois emailed me off list to say that with the same rig, he has no halyard 
restrainer and has never had a problem with halyard wrap.  So I am considering 
removing the restrainer.  This is surely to some extent rig specific, but I am 
wondering 

1.  how many people have them and how many don’t
2.  If without, have you had halyard wrap problems?

David Knecht
S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Pedestal gear shift handle

[Graham Collins via CnC-List]

I had it become very difficult to shift in/out of gear with my Yanmar 2 
years ago, I was freaking out that I'd need to rebuild the 
transmission.  Put a new cable on it, now I can shift with my pinkie finger.


Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2020-04-09 10:19 a.m., bwhitmore via CnC-List wrote:
That is way too much pressure, and a cable will probably solve the 
problem.  One way to tell for sure is to go down into the bilge and 
move the lever by hand.  It really isn't that hard, and in fact, when 
I had an issue with the part at the wheel that broke, I got down into 
the starboard locker on our 27 MKIII  and flipped it back & forth by hand.


By checking it there, at least you've eliminated one of the potential 
causes.


Just my $.02 worth,

Bruce



Sent from Samsung tablet.


 Original message 
From: "Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List" 
Date: 4/8/20 10:37 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: "Ronald B. Frerker" 
Subject: Stus-List Pedestal gear shift handle

On mine, the mechanic took an aluminum rod and machined it to fit the 
short 2in lever that stood out from the pedestal.  Haven't been to the 
boat in a while, and not taken the rod out, but I thought it had a 
groove cut in the end, about a half inch from the end or so, with an 
o-ring placed in it.
Next time to the boat, I'll try to remember to take a look.  Didn't 
cost much to make it.

Ron
Wild Cheri
C 30-1
STL


On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 11:35:31 AM CDT, Paul Hood via CnC-List 
 wrote:



Not those Joel.  Of course the only original one I have is the throttle,
starboard side.  Don't know what the gear shift is suppose to look 
like.  It
appears the handle you show rotates back and forward.  On mine, it 
actually

slides up/down in a slot, same action as the throttle.  Right now I have a
1/2" bolt, tapered the threads slightly and slid it in the hole, cut the
head off the bolt and slid the bilge handle over the bolt for 
leverage.  It
was meant to be temporary...been a few year now.  BTW, the engine is 
atomic

4 with reduction drive.  I'll get better pictures this weekend.

Paul Hood
'81 C
Georgian Bay

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 11:42:49 -0400
From: Joel Aronson >

To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Pedestal gear shift handle
Message-ID:
    
>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

This? http://www.marinepartdepot.com/stthha.html



___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List securing cables in mast

[David Risch via CnC-List]

I did cable ties...either I did it wrong or the mast was too tall for its 
utility.  Did not work.

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Nathan Post via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:21:51 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Nathan Post 
Subject: Re: Stus-List securing cables in mast

Joe,

The cable tie method was my original plan - then started reading about it and 
it seemed that conduit might be a superior long term solution - hence starting 
this thread.  The cable ties will definitely be easier, faster, and less 
expensive.  Biggest drawbacks are that I would have to prepare and feed the 
whole bundle in from the bottom (preventing me from leaving a large connector 
which came pre-installed on the top end of the cable since I couldn't get it 
out of the mast) and that it is much harder to add something else at a later 
time.  With .  I am still unsure what the relative tangling/chafing hazards are 
with the internal halyards with each approach.  In particular with conduit it 
isn't clear in my mind how to end it in a "safe" way near the top of the mast 
(without taking the mast head off which I am not keen on doing).

Thoughts?  Have you implemented the cable tie approach yourself?  Did it work 
well for you over the long run?

Nathan

~~~
Nathan Post
S/V Wisper
1981 C 34 CB
Lynn, MA
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Pedestal gear shift handle

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I believe shifting cable teleflex or morse needs a 4 inch throw to work the
lever on an Atomic 4 properly.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:20 AM bwhitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> That is way too much pressure, and a cable will probably solve the
> problem.  One way to tell for sure is to go down into the bilge and move
> the lever by hand.  It really isn't that hard, and in fact, when I had an
> issue with the part at the wheel that broke, I got down into the starboard
> locker on our 27 MKIII  and flipped it back & forth by hand.
>
> By checking it there, at least you've eliminated one of the potential
> causes.
>
> Just my $.02 worth,
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> Sent from Samsung tablet.
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: "Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List" 
> Date: 4/8/20 10:37 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: "Ronald B. Frerker" 
> Subject: Stus-List Pedestal gear shift handle
>
> On mine, the mechanic took an aluminum rod and machined it to fit the
> short 2in lever that stood out from the pedestal.  Haven't been to the boat
> in a while, and not taken the rod out, but I thought it had a groove cut in
> the end, about a half inch from the end or so, with an o-ring placed in it.
> Next time to the boat, I'll try to remember to take a look.  Didn't cost
> much to make it.
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C 30-1
> STL
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 11:35:31 AM CDT, Paul Hood via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> Not those Joel.  Of course the only original one I have is the throttle,
> starboard side.  Don't know what the gear shift is suppose to look like.
> It
> appears the handle you show rotates back and forward.  On mine, it actually
> slides up/down in a slot, same action as the throttle.  Right now I have a
> 1/2" bolt, tapered the threads slightly and slid it in the hole, cut the
> head off the bolt and slid the bilge handle over the bolt for leverage.  It
> was meant to be temporary...been a few year now.  BTW, the engine is atomic
> 4 with reduction drive.  I'll get better pictures this weekend.
>
> Paul Hood
> '81 C
> Georgian Bay
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 11:42:49 -0400
> From: Joel Aronson 
> To: cnc-list 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Pedestal gear shift handle
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> This?  http://www.marinepartdepot.com/stthha.html
>
>
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
> --
Sent from Gmail Mobile
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List Pedestal gear shift handle

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

That is way too much pressure, and a cable will probably solve the problem.  
One way to tell for sure is to go down into the bilge and move the lever by 
hand.  It really isn't that hard, and in fact, when I had an issue with the 
part at the wheel that broke, I got down into the starboard locker on our 27 
MKIII  and flipped it back & forth by hand.By checking it there, at least 
you've eliminated one of the potential causes.Just my $.02 worth,Bruce Sent 
from Samsung tablet.
 Original message From: "Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List" 
 Date: 4/8/20  10:37 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Ronald B. Frerker"  Subject: 
Stus-List Pedestal gear shift handle 
On mine, the mechanic took an aluminum rod and machined it to fit the 
short 2in lever that stood out from the pedestal.  Haven't been to the boat in 
a while, and not taken the rod out, but I thought it had a groove cut in the 
end, about a half inch from the end or so, with an o-ring placed in it.Next 
time to the boat, I'll try to remember to take a look.  Didn't cost much to 
make it.RonWild CheriC 30-1STL





On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 11:35:31 AM CDT, Paul Hood via 
CnC-List  wrote:



Not those Joel.  Of course the only original one I have is the 
throttle,starboard side.  Don't know what the gear shift is suppose to look 
like.  Itappears the handle you show rotates back and forward.  On mine, it 
actuallyslides up/down in a slot, same action as the throttle.  Right now I 
have a1/2" bolt, tapered the threads slightly and slid it in the hole, cut 
thehead off the bolt and slid the bilge handle over the bolt for leverage.  
Itwas meant to be temporary...been a few year now.  BTW, the engine is atomic4 
with reduction drive.   I'll get better pictures this weekend.Paul Hood'81 
C BayMessage: 1Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 11:42:49 -0400From: Joel 
Aronson To: cnc-list Subject: 
Re: Stus-List Pedestal gear shift handleMessage-ID:    
Content-Type:
 text/plain; charset="utf-8"This?   http://www.marinepartdepot.com/stthha.html

___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List securing cables in mast

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

Joe,

The cable tie method was my original plan - then started reading about it
and it seemed that conduit might be a superior long term solution - hence
starting this thread.  The cable ties will definitely be easier, faster,
and less expensive.  Biggest drawbacks are that I would have to prepare and
feed the whole bundle in from the bottom (preventing me from leaving a
large connector which came pre-installed on the top end of the cable since
I couldn't get it out of the mast) and that it is much harder to add
something else at a later time.  With .  I am still unsure what the
relative tangling/chafing hazards are with the internal halyards with each
approach.  In particular with conduit it isn't clear in my mind how to end
it in a "safe" way near the top of the mast (without taking the mast head
off which I am not keen on doing).

Thoughts?  Have you implemented the cable tie approach yourself?  Did it
work well for you over the long run?

Nathan

~~~
Nathan Post
S/V Wisper
1981 C 34 CB
Lynn, MA
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List securing cables in mast

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

David,

I haven't tried it yet but am leaning in that direction.  The strategies I
have seen discussed on other forums involve assembling the conduit first
(gluing the sections together with a messenger line through it) and either
sliding it into the mast and then drilling and using blind rivets to attach
it.  Some say to drill an extra hold to use a wire hook and hold the
conduit in place while drilling and riveting.  It also seems possible that
the conduit will be stiff enough to stay in place for the next rivet once
the first two are done but I guess that remains to be seen when I try it.
If I need to drill the extra hole then I will just put a rivet in it
afterwards to plug it.  The alternative I have seen proposed is to put a
bead of 3M 4200 or sikaflex on the top of the conduit as you slide it in
the mast and then rotate the tube so that the adhesive contacts the mast
and bonds in place.   Not sure how good a bond quality you could get and it
would not be good if it came loose so I don't think I will do that.  Also
leaves a good chance of getting halyards and the like stuck.  There are
definitely some advantages over loose wires in the mast (which bang around)
and a zip tie bundle which creates potential issues with tangling the
halyards in various ways.  If I didn't have so many internal halyards I
would be less concerned about that.  I also want to be able to run the
cables from top to bottom since I have some larger connectors that came
pre-installed and don't really want to have to cut those off or make bigger
holes in the mast for them.

So that is the plan at this point.  Tasks are to figure out how large a
conduit will fit and what wall thickness to get - then to get appropriate
conduit and rivets and a messenger line to move forward.

Nathan

~~~
Nathan Post
S/V Wisper
1981 C 34 CB
Lynn, MA

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:31 AM David Risch via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> So let me understand this...folks have installed conduit for the length of
> the mast inside the mast...?  Thought of that but abandoned due to
> complexity or did I overthink?
>
> Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Shawn
> Wright via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 8, 2020 11:22:38 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> *Cc:* Shawn Wright 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List securing cables in mast
>
> I used CL200 for our irrigation system, as it was about half the price of
> CSA/UL approved schedule 40. It is definitely thinner, which in this case
> is a bonus. For water pipes, not so much, but I have >1000' in the ground
> and no leaks after the 10 years, except for those pipes I've hit with
> something. In my experience, schedule 40 has much higher strength and
> impact resistance, and schedule 80 even more so, but it's not an issue
> inside the mast. For making a support for a winter cover, I'd use sched 40.
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah that CL 200 is the pvc which I have for reference.  When I pulled the
> upc off the side it came up as scheduled 40.  I don't know the difference.
> I've never really had to research pvc pipe so I'm a little out of my
> element.
>
> Josh
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:27 Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I had hoped to pull our mast soon, but with the mast crane out of service
> due to covid, it will have to wait. Some great info on this thread, so I
> will save it.
>
> One option for thinner PVC is to use white (water) PVC, which you can get
> in a CL200 rating (at least in Canada) for light use; it is a bit thinner
> walled, and UV resistance is not an issue inside the mast. You could also
> seek out aluminum electrical conduit, which will be even thinner. Regarding
> sizing, I just installed two 3/4" conduits (grey electrical type) through
> the bilge for wiring, and was able to get the wiring for both Garmin and
> Standard horizon depth sounders through one conduit by staggering the
> connectors - two 7 pin DIN twist lock, and one RCA for the old SH unit.
> Once the connectors are through, there is plenty of space for smaller
> cables.
> Holding the conduit in place while drilling and riveting might be
> challenge also. Too bad the mast doesn't have a wire track like some of the
> newer ones.
>
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:30 PM Nathan Post via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> As one of my boat projects this spring I am replacing the electrical
> wiring in my mast.   The mast is currently down (horizontal) so now is the
> time to do it.  I want to secure the wires in the mast, in particular to
> reduce noise (when rocking at anchor).  Wisper is a 

Re: Stus-List securing cables in mast

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

What happened to the old trick of using wire ties? You put a bunch of them on, 
don't trim the tails, and thus the wires are held more or less in the center.
Say every 3 or 4 feet you put three on with 120 degree spacing.


Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Risch 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 7:31 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Risch 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List securing cables in mast
g this list with your contributions.  Each and every one is greatly 
appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution 
--   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
___

Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each and 
every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use PayPal 
to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray

Re: Stus-List securing cables in mast

[David Risch via CnC-List]

So let me understand this...folks have installed conduit for the length of the 
mast inside the mast...?  Thought of that but abandoned due to complexity or 
did I overthink?

Sent from my Android. Please forgive typos. Thank you.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Shawn Wright via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 11:22:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List securing cables in mast

I used CL200 for our irrigation system, as it was about half the price of 
CSA/UL approved schedule 40. It is definitely thinner, which in this case is a 
bonus. For water pipes, not so much, but I have >1000' in the ground and no 
leaks after the 10 years, except for those pipes I've hit with something. In my 
experience, schedule 40 has much higher strength and impact resistance, and 
schedule 80 even more so, but it's not an issue inside the mast. For making a 
support for a winter cover, I'd use sched 40.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Yeah that CL 200 is the pvc which I have for reference.  When I pulled the upc 
off the side it came up as scheduled 40.  I don't know the difference.  I've 
never really had to research pvc pipe so I'm a little out of my element.

Josh

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, 11:27 Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I had hoped to pull our mast soon, but with the mast crane out of service due 
to covid, it will have to wait. Some great info on this thread, so I will save 
it.

One option for thinner PVC is to use white (water) PVC, which you can get in a 
CL200 rating (at least in Canada) for light use; it is a bit thinner walled, 
and UV resistance is not an issue inside the mast. You could also seek out 
aluminum electrical conduit, which will be even thinner. Regarding sizing, I 
just installed two 3/4" conduits (grey electrical type) through the bilge for 
wiring, and was able to get the wiring for both Garmin and Standard horizon 
depth sounders through one conduit by staggering the connectors - two 7 pin DIN 
twist lock, and one RCA for the old SH unit. Once the connectors are through, 
there is plenty of space for smaller cables.
Holding the conduit in place while drilling and riveting might be challenge 
also. Too bad the mast doesn't have a wire track like some of the newer ones.


--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 3:30 PM Nathan Post via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
All,

As one of my boat projects this spring I am replacing the electrical wiring in 
my mast.   The mast is currently down (horizontal) so now is the time to do it. 
 I want to secure the wires in the mast, in particular to reduce noise (when 
rocking at anchor).  Wisper is a 1981 C 34 with a keel stepped mast and 5 
internal halyards in addition to the wires.  The cables are for wind 
instruments, masthead and steaming lights, VHF coax, and radar (power and 
communication) so it will be a substantial bundle with a separate drop at the 
spreader.  The two approaches I am considering are:

1) Creating a bundle (wiring harness) of the cables and placing 3 large cable 
ties on the bundle at perhaps 2 or 3 foot intervals with the tails sticking out 
at 120 deg angles that will bend over and press against the mast and keep the 
cables in the middle.  I would use Panduit metal barb outdoor zip ties which 
are robust, smooth edged, and long lasting.

2) Installing a PVC conduit (using rivets?) with a feeder line for the cables 
and then running the cables through it.

There is support of both methods in various forums online.  Cable ties are 
definitely the simpler method.  The main advantages to the conduit that I see 
is being able to run an additional wire through it at a later time potentially 
with the mast up.  Also I might be able to run cables from top to bottom so 
that a large connector can remain preinstalled on the top (for example for the 
radar unit) rather than needing to feed everything in to the bottom at once and 
then fishing the ends out the various small holes in the mast and reattaching 
connectors.  The disadvantage is the effort required to install it and the 
additional holes I would need to create in the mast.  I am also unsure how 
quiet either solution would be and the relative chance of tangling or extra 
friction or wear on a halyard although most info on-line seems to indicate that 
the conduit is the better choice for that.

With the conduit approach, I am also debating if two smaller conduits - one to 
the spreader and one to the mast head - would make more sense than having a 
hole in large conduit at the spreader location.

Has anyone done either of these securing approaches?