Re: Stus-List Parting an ‘89 30’ CNC

2020-07-20 Thread Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List
I am interested in some items too, though I can never remember at
the moment. A parted parts list would be great. Is there a good condition
mainsail? Was the boat wrecked or abandoned to neglect? Where is the boat
located? Thank you!


Kevin Driscoll



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> Is there a website with details about this boat? How to go about
> purchasing parts, etc?
>
> Thanks,
> Al Rheaume
> 30-2 Drumroll
>
> On Friday, July 17, 2020, 04:32:07 p.m. EDT, JP Mail via CnC-List <
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>
>
> I’m standing in the salvage yard.
> All kinds of everything for
> ZCC30148B989
> King Salvage.
> I live 10 Minutes away.
> Motor is not seized. 3 GM  i think.
> Jon
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Re: Stus-List Overheating Yanmar 3GMD

2020-07-20 Thread Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List
Al,
I had a similar problem on a 3qm30 where it would overheat at anything
above 1400 rpm. (normal cruise rpm was 2400). Here are somethings to check.
How is the water flow out the exhaust, is it less than normal? Is the heat
exchanger plugged or partially plugged. If you think you may have blown a
head gasket, check the oil. Is it chocolate milk color? Is your engine
fresh water cooled? if it is a blown head gasket may blow bubbles into the
cooling system.
If I have missed I am sure someone will chime in.
Good luck
Doug


On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 7:45 PM Al Serrato via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I had an unusual experience yesterday and am looking for any ideas on next
> steps.
>
> I have a Yanmar 3GMD in my ‘81 C 34. I had used the motor for about 20
> minutes going out with no problems, but after starting it in heavy winds,
> it rather quickly quit on me and would not start. I was heeling when I
> started it and the tank was half full, so I bled the line thinking that
> some air had gotten in, and it started right up.
>
> It ran for about 10 minutes and everything seemed normal although I
> thought it sounded a little different. I couldn’t put my finger on what it
> was that was different, and thought maybe it was my imagination but then
> the high temp alarm went off and the gauge showed probably around 180. (It
> normally runs at about 130). I shut it down and ended up getting a tow back
> in. The raw water strainer was clean so I thought maybe the impeller might
> have failed, since it’s close to two years old. But when I opened the pump,
> it was fine. I replaced it with a new one anyway and ran the engine for 45
> minutes today at the dock, under load, and it ran fine.
>
> I always have white smoke coming out of the exhaust when I’m revving past
> 1800 or so, but I don’t know if what I saw today was more than usual. The
> engine was clean, no drips or leaks, no smells inside, just the usual smoke
> from the exhaust.
>
> I couldn’t figure out why both the fuel and the raw water, which seem
> unrelated, would both have problems at the same time, so I thought maybe it
> was a blown head gasket or something like that. I figured when I started it
> today, it would probably overheat right away again...but it didn’t.
>
> Any similar experiences or ideas on what it might be? I’ve got a call into
> the mechanic but haven’t heard back yet.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Al Serrato
> Senza Fine
> San Francisco Bay
>
>
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Re: Stus-List TV antenna options

2020-07-20 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
I use a $25 Leaf antenna when at a dock.  I use shorepower to I run the TV and 
AC.  I'm near Baltimore so there are many channels available and in range.  I 
simply lay the flat antenna on the coachroof and get about 35 stations.

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C 34R, Pasadena, Md

> On 07/20/2020 10:30 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all;
> 
> I added a 19" TV to my boat anticipating some cruising in the future. It 
> fits nicely on the port side forward bulkhead above the settee facing aft. I 
> even found an ac outlet nearby for power.
> 
> I have been advised by locals who have TVs aboard to go with a omni 
> directional antenna, which makes sense to me, and to mount it outside the 
> cabin.
> 
> Most of these antennae are disc-shaped of various diameters, meant to be 
> mounted with the disk parallel to the water surface. 
> 
> The question is where to mount it, even if its removable when underway or 
> racing. The TV is closer to the bow than stern so the bow pulpit might 
> work--I don't see mounting it high or anywhere on the mast. OTOH, maybe the 
> stern pulpit would be OK. My thought is to keep it stowed while underway and 
> attach it to a permanent fitting somewhere outside the cabin when I am at a 
> marina.
> 
> Any ideas from listers on where to put the antenna?
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
> Water Phantom
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Re: Stus-List Overheating Yanmar 3GMD

2020-07-20 Thread Rick Rohwer via CnC-List
Just a suggestion, if it happens again, pull the hose off of the through hull 
supplying raw water to your Yanmar.  Open the valve and you should get a face 
full of SF Bay.
If not, you may have sucked something into the raw water feed that did not hit 
the filter.  In my case I found a very surprised looking smelt.
I religiously watch the exhaust.  I have been told that some engines produce 
steam, but I don’t understand why the manufacturer would design an engine  that 
would exceed the cooling capacity.  I understand in very cold weather the warm 
water will create some steam.  With my boats, it was always a symptom of 
something in the system failing.
Cheers
Rick.
Paikea C 37+

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> On Jul 20, 2020, at 19:45, Al Serrato via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I had an unusual experience yesterday and am looking for any ideas on next 
> steps.
> 
> I have a Yanmar 3GMD in my ‘81 C 34. I had used the motor for about 20 
> minutes going out with no problems, but after starting it in heavy winds, it 
> rather quickly quit on me and would not start. I was heeling when I started 
> it and the tank was half full, so I bled the line thinking that some air had 
> gotten in, and it started right up. 
> 
> It ran for about 10 minutes and everything seemed normal although I thought 
> it sounded a little different. I couldn’t put my finger on what it was that 
> was different, and thought maybe it was my imagination but then the high temp 
> alarm went off and the gauge showed probably around 180. (It normally runs at 
> about 130). I shut it down and ended up getting a tow back in. The raw water 
> strainer was clean so I thought maybe the impeller might have failed, since 
> it’s close to two years old. But when I opened the pump, it was fine. I 
> replaced it with a new one anyway and ran the engine for 45 minutes today at 
> the dock, under load, and it ran fine.
> 
> I always have white smoke coming out of the exhaust when I’m revving past 
> 1800 or so, but I don’t know if what I saw today was more than usual. The 
> engine was clean, no drips or leaks, no smells inside, just the usual smoke 
> from the exhaust.
> 
> I couldn’t figure out why both the fuel and the raw water, which seem 
> unrelated, would both have problems at the same time, so I thought maybe it 
> was a blown head gasket or something like that. I figured when I started it 
> today, it would probably overheat right away again...but it didn’t. 
> 
> Any similar experiences or ideas on what it might be? I’ve got a call into 
> the mechanic but haven’t heard back yet.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Al Serrato
> Senza Fine
> San Francisco Bay
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List New-guy C 40 Shopping questions

2020-07-20 Thread George Cone via CnC-List
Jeff,
I have one of the deep keel 40s and keep in mind it needs 8.40 feet of water 
not 7.

Also. Don't minimize the wet decks. That can add up quick.

As for sailing the 40 is fine but it really is a one cabin boat unless you know 
the others very well.

I sail it up in lake champlain where the water is deep so it's great

George Cone
1981 40

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Subject: Re: Stus-List New-guy C 40 Shopping questions

I own a 30-1, but have chartered a tall rig 40, with the deep keel.
Sailing it was like a freight train... the most amazing speed and 
ground-covering ability I have ever dealt with.
Still brings a smile thinking about it.
That said, I thought the interior was set up for a racing crew more than 
cruisers, but thats just a personal preference.

Good luck

Nate




On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:38 PM Jeffrey Brideau via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Allow me to first apologize for any ignorance we may suffer before I introduce 
our situation. I've been sailing all sorts of small craft for 35+ years but 
this will be our first adventure in something no-longer trailerable.  I and my 
wife are shopping for an upgrade in size from our O'Day 23-2 and are attracted 
to the C line of boats given our budget, the perceived quality, 
performance/comfort reputation, and availability in the local market. We 
started eyeing a 35-3 in VT (and may still consider it) but after looking at a 
few 35' boats locally we are realizing they may still be a bit small for our 
rapidly growing family of four (and trucking and bottom painting a boat from VT 
to NH/ME seacoast adds a lot of costs), we have started looking at some C 40 
boats in MA/RI  area. I'm not afraid of some small projects that can be carried 
out while we use it or in the offseason but not interested in a "project boat"  
that would need work to be safe before use.

https://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?slim=broker_id=3558367_boats=3558367=MattapoisettYachtSales&==Feet=Public_id=81236=
https://www.boattrader.com/boat/1981-c-c-tall-rig-7442829/

Now for the questions:

We have scheduled the two 40's above for a visit next weekend, one we saw in 
the boatyard without invitation this weekend. They are both on the hard, and 
the one we briefly visited is a centerboard version. The other is a 
tall-rig/deep-keel.  See the photos linked.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/7xUVbSnHMob2YmYP8

1. On this boat, what is the drain in the keel for? Is it a bilge drain or a 
centerboard trunk vent? There was something, perhaps a piece of wood, loose 
inside the drain that I could move with a finger.
2. On cabin top starboard, there appears to be a wire cable winch that I've not 
seen on other examples. Is this the centerboard pendant perhaps?
3. Is the weeping from the centerboard pivot access ports reasonable or 
expected. It may be lubricant as the broker suggests it was somewhat recently 
serviced.

Notes: The "smile" needs addressing but seems dry. Depth and knot log sensors 
have been painted over with antifoul despite being listed in the description as 
features. Gelcoat seems good for its age.

We are leaning towards the centerboard model as the Marina we are targeting in 
Portland, ME has limited areas of draft to accommodate a 7.5' keel at low tide. 
However, fewer moving parts is a huge advantage as is better sailing 
performance. But, we might be forced into a less desirable marina or have a low 
tide +/- 1hr time block for coming or going from the marina.

Last general question and ask for advice, what is the mast step situation on 
either of these boats and apart from waterlogged cores in the deck and hull, 
what are the critical points of interest to a new buyer that thinks he is 
somewhat savvy.

All polite thoughts welcomed.

Best regards,
Jeff
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Stus-List Overheating Yanmar 3GMD

2020-07-20 Thread Al Serrato via CnC-List
I had an unusual experience yesterday and am looking for any ideas on next 
steps.

I have a Yanmar 3GMD in my ‘81 C 34. I had used the motor for about 20 
minutes going out with no problems, but after starting it in heavy winds, it 
rather quickly quit on me and would not start. I was heeling when I started it 
and the tank was half full, so I bled the line thinking that some air had 
gotten in, and it started right up. 

It ran for about 10 minutes and everything seemed normal although I thought it 
sounded a little different. I couldn’t put my finger on what it was that was 
different, and thought maybe it was my imagination but then the high temp alarm 
went off and the gauge showed probably around 180. (It normally runs at about 
130). I shut it down and ended up getting a tow back in. The raw water strainer 
was clean so I thought maybe the impeller might have failed, since it’s close 
to two years old. But when I opened the pump, it was fine. I replaced it with a 
new one anyway and ran the engine for 45 minutes today at the dock, under load, 
and it ran fine.

I always have white smoke coming out of the exhaust when I’m revving past 1800 
or so, but I don’t know if what I saw today was more than usual. The engine was 
clean, no drips or leaks, no smells inside, just the usual smoke from the 
exhaust.

I couldn’t figure out why both the fuel and the raw water, which seem 
unrelated, would both have problems at the same time, so I thought maybe it was 
a blown head gasket or something like that. I figured when I started it today, 
it would probably overheat right away again...but it didn’t. 

Any similar experiences or ideas on what it might be? I’ve got a call into the 
mechanic but haven’t heard back yet.

Thanks in advance.

Al Serrato
Senza Fine
San Francisco Bay


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Stus-List TV antenna options

2020-07-20 Thread Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
Hello all;
I added a 19" TV to my boat anticipating some cruising in the future. It fits 
nicely on the port side forward bulkhead above the settee facing aft. I even 
found an ac outlet nearby for power.
I have been advised by locals who have TVs aboard to go with a omni directional 
antenna, which makes sense to me, and to mount it outside the cabin.
Most of these antennae are disc-shaped of various diameters, meant to be 
mounted with the disk parallel to the water surface. 
The question is where to mount it, even if its removable when underway or 
racing. The TV is closer to the bow than stern so the bow pulpit might work--I 
don't see mounting it high or anywhere on the mast. OTOH, maybe the stern 
pulpit would be OK. My thought is to keep it stowed while underway and attach 
it to a permanent fitting somewhere outside the cabin when I am at a marina.
Any ideas from listers on where to put the antenna?
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Re: Stus-List New-guy C 40 Shopping questions

2020-07-20 Thread ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List
I'm not familiar with how the pennant is attached, but I'm wondering
whether you could fit a hydraulic cylinder in place of a winch. My backstay
and vang are hydraulic, and they are so easy to tension.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 7:09 PM Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> If draft is an issue (or might be a future issue depending on your plans
> for cruising, etc.) I would consider the cb model.
>
> I have a 36 XL/kcb (your 40 ft C is actually a kcb since the cb retracts
> into a serious keel, unlike some cb boats that have boards only or very
> small keels) since I sail in the skinny NC sounds where a 5 ft draft is
> often the rule in marinas, not the exception.
>
> I Replace the pennant every 5 or so years and otherwise forgetaboutit!.
> Upwind, board down, it will point with or better than any others and
> downwind, board up, it will get up and go! OTOH, it likely has a weighted
> board which probably weighs over 1000 lbs. Unless you are racing, grinding
> the board up is not an easy job—I use a Lewmar 30 with 3:1 purchase AND my
> strongest crew to bring her up. Of course, as some have noted, it is a
> simple matter to pin it up permantly.
>
> Of course the kcb won’t be as fast as a deep keel of the same model (lots
> more wetted surface than a fin) but there probably isn’t any harbor in
> NH/ME that you could not get into, even at low tide, with the board up.
>
> Welcome to the list!
>
> Charlie Nelson
> 1995 C 36 XL/kcb
> Water Phantom
>
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> On Monday, July 20, 2020, Jeffrey Brideau via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Allow me to first apologize for any ignorance we may suffer before I
> introduce our situation. I've been sailing all sorts of small craft for 35+
> years but this will be our first adventure in something no-longer
> trailerable.  I and my wife are shopping for an upgrade in size from our
> O'Day 23-2 and are attracted to the C line of boats given our budget, the
> perceived quality, performance/comfort reputation, and availability in the
> local market. We started eyeing a 35-3 in VT (and may still consider it)
> but after looking at a few 35' boats locally we are realizing they may
> still be a bit small for our rapidly growing family of four (and trucking
> and bottom painting a boat from VT to NH/ME seacoast adds a lot of costs),
> we have started looking at some C 40 boats in MA/RI  area. I'm not afraid
> of some small projects that can be carried out while we use it or in the
> offseason but not interested in a "project boat"  that would need work to
> be safe before use.
>
>
> https://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?slim=broker_id=3558367_boats=3558367=MattapoisettYachtSales&==Feet=Public_id=81236=
> 
> https://www.boattrader.com/boat/1981-c-c-tall-rig-7442829/
> 
>
> Now for the questions:
>
> We have scheduled the two 40's above for a visit next weekend, one we saw
> in the boatyard without invitation this weekend. They are both on the hard,
> and the one we briefly visited is a centerboard version. The other is a
> tall-rig/deep-keel.  See the photos linked.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/7xUVbSnHMob2YmYP8
> 
>
> 1. On this boat, what is the drain in the keel for? Is it a bilge drain or
> a centerboard trunk vent? There was something, perhaps a piece of wood,
> loose inside the drain that I could move with a finger.
> 2. On cabin top starboard, there appears to be a wire cable winch that
> I've not seen on other examples. Is this the centerboard pendant perhaps?
> 3. Is the weeping from the centerboard pivot access ports reasonable or
> expected. It may be lubricant as the broker suggests it was somewhat
> recently serviced.
>
> Notes: The "smile" needs addressing but seems dry. Depth and knot log
> sensors have been painted over with antifoul despite being listed in the
> description as features. Gelcoat seems good for its age.
>
> We are leaning towards the centerboard model as the Marina we are
> targeting in Portland, ME has limited areas of draft to accommodate a 7.5'
> keel at low tide. However, fewer moving parts is a huge advantage as is
> better sailing 

Re: Stus-List New-guy C 40 Shopping questions

2020-07-20 Thread rjcasciato--- via CnC-List
Hello Jeffrey..first, welcome to the listmost of us on the C list will keep  our boats to the "end", unless we're upgrading to a larger CI own a 77' 38MKII, hull #125. I've owned Impromptu for 23 yearsYour decision to get into a big "old" boat needs careful assessment of your finances and the amount of work you are willing to do.virtually none of us here don't work to keep our boats sailing like they were built...You don't want to know how much money  that chews up in 23 years...BUT, IMPROMPTU LOOKS LIKE IT JUST CAME OUT OF THE MOLD YESTERDAYand sails way better than it did when it left Canada for Chicago in 1977.My wife doesn't do wind, sun, and noiseSo this 38 MKII raceshard and well with a seasoned crew of 6.I don't suggest you think about that until later when you have enough crewSpeaking of crew.are you planning to sail the 40 with only you and your wife Things are much bigger on a 40 than on an ODay 23.the mast alone approaches twice the height.I would be glad to share some of the "annual base costs" for you to considerMy opinion is that the 35 should be big enough for this next moveand cruisable in "nice" weather for twoI'd be interested in some of the veteran C'ers opinion and what are some of the comparative issues of making this big jump.Something to consider..the guy who designed my 38 and all of those 40's, and all of the rest of the good years C's drives a 34..think about that firstMaking a move away from the ODay is a no brainer.just you and your wife sail a 40 firstwith safety crew sitting by. Again, welcome to this group.we all love our C's.Ron C.IMPROMPTUC 38MKIIC1977#125Sent from Xfinity Connect Application-Original Message-From: cnc-list@cnc-list.comTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: bride...@gmail.comSent: 2020-07-20 5:38:36 PM Subject: Stus-List New-guy C 40 Shopping questions
Allow me to first apologize for any ignorance we may suffer before I introduce our situation. I've been sailing all sorts of small craft for 35+ years but this will be our first adventure in something no-longer trailerable.  I and my wife are shopping for an upgrade in size from our O'Day 23-2 and are attracted to the C line of boats given our budget, the perceived quality, performance/comfort reputation, and availability in the local market. We started eyeing a 35-3 in VT (and may still consider it) but after looking at a few 35' boats locally we are realizing they may still be a bit small for our rapidly growing family of four (and trucking and bottom painting a boat from VT to NH/ME seacoast adds a lot of costs), we have started looking at some C 40 boats in MA/RI  area. I'm not afraid of some small projects that can be carried out while we use it or in the offseason but not interested in a "project boat"  that would need work to be safe before use.https://www.boattrader.com/boat/1981-c-c-tall-rig-7442829/Now for the questions:We have scheduled the two 40's above for a visit next weekend, one we saw in the boatyard without invitation this weekend. They are both on the hard, and the one we briefly visited is a centerboard version. The other is a tall-rig/deep-keel.  See the photos linked.https://photos.app.goo.gl/7xUVbSnHMob2YmYP81. On this boat, what is the drain in the keel for? Is it a bilge drain or a centerboard trunk vent? There was something, perhaps a piece of wood, loose inside the drain that I could move with a finger.  2. On cabin top starboard, there appears to be a wire cable winch that I've not seen on other examples. Is this the centerboard pendant perhaps? 3. Is the weeping from the centerboard pivot access ports reasonable or expected. It may be lubricant as the broker suggests it was somewhat recently serviced. Notes: The "smile" needs addressing but seems dry. Depth and knot log sensors have been painted over with antifoul despite being listed in the description as features. Gelcoat seems good for its age.We are leaning towards the centerboard model as the Marina we are targeting in Portland, ME has limited areas of draft to accommodate a 7.5' keel at low tide. However, fewer moving parts is a huge advantage as is better sailing performance. But, we might be forced into a less desirable marina or have a low tide +/- 1hr time block for coming or going from the marina.Last general question and ask for advice, what is the mast step situation on either of these boats and apart from waterlogged cores in the deck and hull, what are the critical points of interest to a new buyer that thinks he is somewhat savvy. All polite thoughts welcomed. Best regards,Jeff

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Re: Stus-List New-guy C 40 Shopping questions

2020-07-20 Thread Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
If draft is an issue (or might be a future issue depending on your plans for 
cruising, etc.) I would consider the cb model. 
I have a 36 XL/kcb (your 40 ft C is actually a kcb since the cb retracts into 
a serious keel, unlike some cb boats that have boards only or very small keels) 
since I sail in the skinny NC sounds where a 5 ft draft is often the rule in 
marinas, not the exception.
I Replace the pennant every 5 or so years and otherwise forgetaboutit!.Upwind, 
board down, it will point with or better than any others and downwind, board 
up, it will get up and go! OTOH, it likely has a weighted board which probably 
weighs over 1000 lbs. Unless you are racing, grinding the board up is not an 
easy job—I use a Lewmar 30 with 3:1 purchase AND my strongest crew to bring her 
up. Of course, as some have noted, it is a simple matter to pin it up permantly.
Of course the kcb won’t be as fast as a deep keel of the same model (lots more 
wetted surface than a fin) but there probably isn’t any harbor in NH/ME that 
you could not get into, even at low tide, with the board up. Welcome to the 
list!
Charlie Nelson1995 C 36 XL/kcbWater Phantom

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wrote:

Allow me to first apologize for any ignorance we may suffer before I introduce 
our situation. I've been sailing all sorts of small craft for 35+ years but 
this will be our first adventure in something no-longer trailerable.  I and my 
wife are shopping for an upgrade in size from our O'Day 23-2 and are attracted 
to the C line of boats given our budget, the perceived quality, 
performance/comfort reputation, and availability in the local market. We 
started eyeing a 35-3 in VT (and may still consider it) but after looking at a 
few 35' boats locally we are realizing they may still be a bit small for our 
rapidly growing family of four (and trucking and bottom painting a boat from VT 
to NH/ME seacoast adds a lot of costs), we have started looking at some C 40 
boats in MA/RI  area. I'm not afraid of some small projects that can be carried 
out while we use it or in the offseason but not interested in a "project boat"  
that would need work to be safe before use.
https://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?slim=broker_id=3558367_boats=3558367=MattapoisettYachtSales&==Feet=Public_id=81236=
https://www.boattrader.com/boat/1981-c-c-tall-rig-7442829/

Now for the questions:
We have scheduled the two 40's above for a visit next weekend, one we saw in 
the boatyard without invitation this weekend. They are both on the hard, and 
the one we briefly visited is a centerboard version. The other is a 
tall-rig/deep-keel.  See the photos linked.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/7xUVbSnHMob2YmYP8

1. On this boat, what is the drain in the keel for? Is it a bilge drain or a 
centerboard trunk vent? There was something, perhaps a piece of wood, loose 
inside the drain that I could move with a finger.  2. On cabin top starboard, 
there appears to be a wire cable winch that I've not seen on other examples. Is 
this the centerboard pendant perhaps? 3. Is the weeping from the centerboard 
pivot access ports reasonable or expected. It may be lubricant as the broker 
suggests it was somewhat recently serviced. 
Notes: The "smile" needs addressing but seems dry. Depth and knot log sensors 
have been painted over with antifoul despite being listed in the description as 
features. Gelcoat seems good for its age.

We are leaning towards the centerboard model as the Marina we are targeting in 
Portland, ME has limited areas of draft to accommodate a 7.5' keel at low tide. 
However, fewer moving parts is a huge advantage as is better sailing 
performance. But, we might be forced into a less desirable marina or have a low 
tide +/- 1hr time block for coming or going from the marina.
Last general question and ask for advice, what is the mast step situation on 
either of these boats and apart from waterlogged cores in the deck and hull, 
what are the critical points of interest to a new buyer that thinks he is 
somewhat savvy. 
All polite thoughts welcomed. 
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Re: Stus-List New-guy C 40 Shopping questions

2020-07-20 Thread Nate Flesness via CnC-List
I own a 30-1, but have chartered a tall rig 40, with the deep keel.
Sailing it was like a freight train... the most amazing speed and
ground-covering ability I have ever dealt with.
Still brings a smile thinking about it.
That said, I thought the interior was set up for a racing crew more than
cruisers, but thats just a personal preference.

Good luck

Nate




On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:38 PM Jeffrey Brideau via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Allow me to first apologize for any ignorance we may suffer before I
> introduce our situation. I've been sailing all sorts of small craft for 35+
> years but this will be our first adventure in something no-longer
> trailerable.  I and my wife are shopping for an upgrade in size from our
> O'Day 23-2 and are attracted to the C line of boats given our budget, the
> perceived quality, performance/comfort reputation, and availability in the
> local market. We started eyeing a 35-3 in VT (and may still consider it)
> but after looking at a few 35' boats locally we are realizing they may
> still be a bit small for our rapidly growing family of four (and trucking
> and bottom painting a boat from VT to NH/ME seacoast adds a lot of costs),
> we have started looking at some C 40 boats in MA/RI  area. I'm not afraid
> of some small projects that can be carried out while we use it or in the
> offseason but not interested in a "project boat"  that would need work to
> be safe before use.
>
>
> https://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?slim=broker_id=3558367_boats=3558367=MattapoisettYachtSales&==Feet=Public_id=81236=
> https://www.boattrader.com/boat/1981-c-c-tall-rig-7442829/
>
> Now for the questions:
>
> We have scheduled the two 40's above for a visit next weekend, one we saw
> in the boatyard without invitation this weekend. They are both on the hard,
> and the one we briefly visited is a centerboard version. The other is a
> tall-rig/deep-keel.  See the photos linked.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/7xUVbSnHMob2YmYP8
>
> 1. On this boat, what is the drain in the keel for? Is it a bilge drain or
> a centerboard trunk vent? There was something, perhaps a piece of wood,
> loose inside the drain that I could move with a finger.
> 2. On cabin top starboard, there appears to be a wire cable winch that
> I've not seen on other examples. Is this the centerboard pendant perhaps?
> 3. Is the weeping from the centerboard pivot access ports reasonable or
> expected. It may be lubricant as the broker suggests it was somewhat
> recently serviced.
>
> Notes: The "smile" needs addressing but seems dry. Depth and knot log
> sensors have been painted over with antifoul despite being listed in the
> description as features. Gelcoat seems good for its age.
>
> We are leaning towards the centerboard model as the Marina we are
> targeting in Portland, ME has limited areas of draft to accommodate a 7.5'
> keel at low tide. However, fewer moving parts is a huge advantage as is
> better sailing performance. But, we might be forced into a less
> desirable marina or have a low tide +/- 1hr time block for coming or going
> from the marina.
>
> Last general question and ask for advice, what is the mast step situation
> on either of these boats and apart from waterlogged cores in the deck and
> hull, what are the critical points of interest to a new buyer that thinks
> he is somewhat savvy.
>
> All polite thoughts welcomed.
>
> Best regards,
> Jeff
> ___
>
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> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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Re: Stus-List New-guy C 40 Shopping questions

2020-07-20 Thread Joel Delamirande via CnC-List
Welcome to the club
R you open to boat in Canada or Ontario
And what price range are you looking for?

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 6:31 PM John Conklin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Yes welcome love these boats
> Is there really 2 cabins?  or quarter berth The lines on the 40 look like
> an overgrown standard37 which I have and love. I am also little Leary on
> the CB Model moving parts  but I don’t see a crazy aMount of complaints on
> the forum I went for fixed keel that was “hacked off” as noted here :)
>  and mars bulb added  for the Pamlico sounds and skinny NC waters.  oh and
> she  also had a good smile. No further issues . Still sails and tracks like
> a dream Best of luck survey survey !!
>
> John Conklin
> S/V Halcyon
> S/V Heartbeat
> www.flirtingwithfire.com
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Welcome to the list!
>
> It looks like the drain is a Garboard drain which allows the bilge to
> drain in the off season.
>
> Yes the wire rope is most likely the center board pendent.
>
> The center board pin is only ever really covered by a light fairing
> compound.  It is not unrealistic that the spots you see are lube or water
> oozing through.  Personally I would lean towards the more fault tolerant
> version of a fixed keel but can certainly understand you situation.  Edd
> Schillay on this list pined his swing keel up and glassed over the slot.
>
> Personally, I like the exterior lines and design of the 40 more than my
> 37+... But I love my 37+.
>
> As for the other questions, someone else is going to have to answer.
>
> Warm regards,
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 17:38 Jeffrey Brideau via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Allow me to first apologize for any ignorance we may suffer before I
>> introduce our situation. I've been sailing all sorts of small craft for 35+
>> years but this will be our first adventure in something no-longer
>> trailerable.  I and my wife are shopping for an upgrade in size from our
>> O'Day 23-2 and are attracted to the C line of boats given our budget, the
>> perceived quality, performance/comfort reputation, and availability in the
>> local market. We started eyeing a 35-3 in VT (and may still consider it)
>> but after looking at a few 35' boats locally we are realizing they may
>> still be a bit small for our rapidly growing family of four (and trucking
>> and bottom painting a boat from VT to NH/ME seacoast adds a lot of costs),
>> we have started looking at some C 40 boats in MA/RI  area. I'm not afraid
>> of some small projects that can be carried out while we use it or in the
>> offseason but not interested in a "project boat"  that would need work to
>> be safe before use.
>>
>>
>> https://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?slim=broker_id=3558367_boats=3558367=MattapoisettYachtSales&==Feet=Public_id=81236=
>> https://www.boattrader.com/boat/1981-c-c-tall-rig-7442829/
>>
>> Now for the questions:
>>
>> We have scheduled the two 40's above for a visit next weekend, one we saw
>> in the boatyard without invitation this weekend. They are both on the hard,
>> and the one we briefly visited is a centerboard version. The other is a
>> tall-rig/deep-keel.  See the photos linked.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/7xUVbSnHMob2YmYP8
>>
>> 1. On this boat, what is the drain in the keel for? Is it a bilge drain
>> or a centerboard trunk vent? There was something, perhaps a piece of wood,
>> loose inside the drain that I could move with a finger.
>> 2. On cabin top starboard, there appears to be a wire cable winch that
>> I've not seen on other examples. Is this the centerboard pendant perhaps?
>> 3. Is the weeping from the centerboard pivot access ports reasonable or
>> expected. It may be lubricant as the broker suggests it was somewhat
>> recently serviced.
>>
>> Notes: The "smile" needs addressing but seems dry. Depth and knot log
>> sensors have been painted over with antifoul despite being listed in the
>> description as features. Gelcoat seems good for its age.
>>
>> We are leaning towards the centerboard model as the Marina we are
>> targeting in Portland, ME has limited areas of draft to accommodate a 7.5'
>> keel at low tide. However, fewer moving parts is a huge advantage as is
>> better sailing performance. But, we might be forced into a less
>> desirable marina or have a low tide +/- 1hr time block for coming or going
>> from the marina.
>>
>> Last general question and ask for advice, what is the mast step situation
>> on either of these boats and apart from waterlogged cores in the deck and
>> hull, what are the critical points of interest to a new buyer that thinks
>> he is somewhat savvy.
>>
>> All polite thoughts welcomed.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Jeff
>> ___
>>
>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
>> and 

Re: Stus-List New-guy C 40 Shopping questions

2020-07-20 Thread John Conklin via CnC-List
Yes welcome love these boats
Is there really 2 cabins?  or quarter berth The lines on the 40 look like an 
overgrown standard37 which I have and love. I am also little Leary on the CB 
Model moving parts  but I don’t see a crazy aMount of complaints on the forum I 
went for fixed keel that was “hacked off” as noted here :)and mars bulb 
added  for the Pamlico sounds and skinny NC waters.  oh and she  also had a 
good smile. No further issues . Still sails and tracks like a dream Best of 
luck survey survey !!

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon
S/V Heartbeat
www.flirtingwithfire.com


On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:04 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
wrote:


Welcome to the list!

It looks like the drain is a Garboard drain which allows the bilge to drain in 
the off season.

Yes the wire rope is most likely the center board pendent.

The center board pin is only ever really covered by a light fairing compound.  
It is not unrealistic that the spots you see are lube or water oozing through.  
Personally I would lean towards the more fault tolerant version of a fixed keel 
but can certainly understand you situation.  Edd Schillay on this list pined 
his swing keel up and glassed over the slot.

Personally, I like the exterior lines and design of the 40 more than my 37+... 
But I love my 37+.

As for the other questions, someone else is going to have to answer.

Warm regards,
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD





On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 17:38 Jeffrey Brideau via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Allow me to first apologize for any ignorance we may suffer before I introduce 
our situation. I've been sailing all sorts of small craft for 35+ years but 
this will be our first adventure in something no-longer trailerable.  I and my 
wife are shopping for an upgrade in size from our O'Day 23-2 and are attracted 
to the C line of boats given our budget, the perceived quality, 
performance/comfort reputation, and availability in the local market. We 
started eyeing a 35-3 in VT (and may still consider it) but after looking at a 
few 35' boats locally we are realizing they may still be a bit small for our 
rapidly growing family of four (and trucking and bottom painting a boat from VT 
to NH/ME seacoast adds a lot of costs), we have started looking at some C 40 
boats in MA/RI  area. I'm not afraid of some small projects that can be carried 
out while we use it or in the offseason but not interested in a "project boat"  
that would need work to be safe before use.

https://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?slim=broker_id=3558367_boats=3558367=MattapoisettYachtSales&==Feet=Public_id=81236=
https://www.boattrader.com/boat/1981-c-c-tall-rig-7442829/

Now for the questions:

We have scheduled the two 40's above for a visit next weekend, one we saw in 
the boatyard without invitation this weekend. They are both on the hard, and 
the one we briefly visited is a centerboard version. The other is a 
tall-rig/deep-keel.  See the photos linked.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/7xUVbSnHMob2YmYP8

1. On this boat, what is the drain in the keel for? Is it a bilge drain or a 
centerboard trunk vent? There was something, perhaps a piece of wood, loose 
inside the drain that I could move with a finger.
2. On cabin top starboard, there appears to be a wire cable winch that I've not 
seen on other examples. Is this the centerboard pendant perhaps?
3. Is the weeping from the centerboard pivot access ports reasonable or 
expected. It may be lubricant as the broker suggests it was somewhat recently 
serviced.

Notes: The "smile" needs addressing but seems dry. Depth and knot log sensors 
have been painted over with antifoul despite being listed in the description as 
features. Gelcoat seems good for its age.

We are leaning towards the centerboard model as the Marina we are targeting in 
Portland, ME has limited areas of draft to accommodate a 7.5' keel at low tide. 
However, fewer moving parts is a huge advantage as is better sailing 
performance. But, we might be forced into a less desirable marina or have a low 
tide +/- 1hr time block for coming or going from the marina.

Last general question and ask for advice, what is the mast step situation on 
either of these boats and apart from waterlogged cores in the deck and hull, 
what are the critical points of interest to a new buyer that thinks he is 
somewhat savvy.

All polite thoughts welcomed.

Best regards,
Jeff
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Re: Stus-List New-guy C 40 Shopping questions

2020-07-20 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Welcome to the list!

It looks like the drain is a Garboard drain which allows the bilge to drain
in the off season.

Yes the wire rope is most likely the center board pendent.

The center board pin is only ever really covered by a light fairing
compound.  It is not unrealistic that the spots you see are lube or water
oozing through.  Personally I would lean towards the more fault tolerant
version of a fixed keel but can certainly understand you situation.  Edd
Schillay on this list pined his swing keel up and glassed over the slot.

Personally, I like the exterior lines and design of the 40 more than my
37+... But I love my 37+.

As for the other questions, someone else is going to have to answer.

Warm regards,
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD





On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 17:38 Jeffrey Brideau via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Allow me to first apologize for any ignorance we may suffer before I
> introduce our situation. I've been sailing all sorts of small craft for 35+
> years but this will be our first adventure in something no-longer
> trailerable.  I and my wife are shopping for an upgrade in size from our
> O'Day 23-2 and are attracted to the C line of boats given our budget, the
> perceived quality, performance/comfort reputation, and availability in the
> local market. We started eyeing a 35-3 in VT (and may still consider it)
> but after looking at a few 35' boats locally we are realizing they may
> still be a bit small for our rapidly growing family of four (and trucking
> and bottom painting a boat from VT to NH/ME seacoast adds a lot of costs),
> we have started looking at some C 40 boats in MA/RI  area. I'm not afraid
> of some small projects that can be carried out while we use it or in the
> offseason but not interested in a "project boat"  that would need work to
> be safe before use.
>
>
> https://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?slim=broker_id=3558367_boats=3558367=MattapoisettYachtSales&==Feet=Public_id=81236=
> https://www.boattrader.com/boat/1981-c-c-tall-rig-7442829/
>
> Now for the questions:
>
> We have scheduled the two 40's above for a visit next weekend, one we saw
> in the boatyard without invitation this weekend. They are both on the hard,
> and the one we briefly visited is a centerboard version. The other is a
> tall-rig/deep-keel.  See the photos linked.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/7xUVbSnHMob2YmYP8
>
> 1. On this boat, what is the drain in the keel for? Is it a bilge drain or
> a centerboard trunk vent? There was something, perhaps a piece of wood,
> loose inside the drain that I could move with a finger.
> 2. On cabin top starboard, there appears to be a wire cable winch that
> I've not seen on other examples. Is this the centerboard pendant perhaps?
> 3. Is the weeping from the centerboard pivot access ports reasonable or
> expected. It may be lubricant as the broker suggests it was somewhat
> recently serviced.
>
> Notes: The "smile" needs addressing but seems dry. Depth and knot log
> sensors have been painted over with antifoul despite being listed in the
> description as features. Gelcoat seems good for its age.
>
> We are leaning towards the centerboard model as the Marina we are
> targeting in Portland, ME has limited areas of draft to accommodate a 7.5'
> keel at low tide. However, fewer moving parts is a huge advantage as is
> better sailing performance. But, we might be forced into a less
> desirable marina or have a low tide +/- 1hr time block for coming or going
> from the marina.
>
> Last general question and ask for advice, what is the mast step situation
> on either of these boats and apart from waterlogged cores in the deck and
> hull, what are the critical points of interest to a new buyer that thinks
> he is somewhat savvy.
>
> All polite thoughts welcomed.
>
> Best regards,
> Jeff
> ___
>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
>
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Stus-List Vessel Documentation Portal

2020-07-20 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Geez, these folks just won't go away.  Got a letter from "Vessel
Documentation Portal" in Richmond, DE.  I wrote "Refused!  Return to
Sender!" on it and dropped it back in the mail.

For any newbies on this list, this is one of several official sounding
sites that will gladly renew your documentation certificate at about 3X the
cost.  See:

https://coastguardnews.com/boater-beware-vessel-documentation-fraud-lurks-online/2017/10/16/


There is only one USCG vessel documentation site.  It is in Falling Waters
It charges $26 for a renewal.  The site is:  http://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/
(actually you'll get a redirect).
-- 
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List New-guy C 40 Shopping questions

2020-07-20 Thread Jeffrey Brideau via CnC-List
Allow me to first apologize for any ignorance we may suffer before I
introduce our situation. I've been sailing all sorts of small craft for 35+
years but this will be our first adventure in something no-longer
trailerable.  I and my wife are shopping for an upgrade in size from our
O'Day 23-2 and are attracted to the C line of boats given our budget, the
perceived quality, performance/comfort reputation, and availability in the
local market. We started eyeing a 35-3 in VT (and may still consider it)
but after looking at a few 35' boats locally we are realizing they may
still be a bit small for our rapidly growing family of four (and trucking
and bottom painting a boat from VT to NH/ME seacoast adds a lot of costs),
we have started looking at some C 40 boats in MA/RI  area. I'm not afraid
of some small projects that can be carried out while we use it or in the
offseason but not interested in a "project boat"  that would need work to
be safe before use.

https://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?slim=broker_id=3558367_boats=3558367=MattapoisettYachtSales&==Feet=Public_id=81236=
https://www.boattrader.com/boat/1981-c-c-tall-rig-7442829/

Now for the questions:

We have scheduled the two 40's above for a visit next weekend, one we saw
in the boatyard without invitation this weekend. They are both on the hard,
and the one we briefly visited is a centerboard version. The other is a
tall-rig/deep-keel.  See the photos linked.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/7xUVbSnHMob2YmYP8

1. On this boat, what is the drain in the keel for? Is it a bilge drain or
a centerboard trunk vent? There was something, perhaps a piece of wood,
loose inside the drain that I could move with a finger.
2. On cabin top starboard, there appears to be a wire cable winch that I've
not seen on other examples. Is this the centerboard pendant perhaps?
3. Is the weeping from the centerboard pivot access ports reasonable or
expected. It may be lubricant as the broker suggests it was somewhat
recently serviced.

Notes: The "smile" needs addressing but seems dry. Depth and knot log
sensors have been painted over with antifoul despite being listed in the
description as features. Gelcoat seems good for its age.

We are leaning towards the centerboard model as the Marina we are
targeting in Portland, ME has limited areas of draft to accommodate a 7.5'
keel at low tide. However, fewer moving parts is a huge advantage as is
better sailing performance. But, we might be forced into a less
desirable marina or have a low tide +/- 1hr time block for coming or going
from the marina.

Last general question and ask for advice, what is the mast step situation
on either of these boats and apart from waterlogged cores in the deck and
hull, what are the critical points of interest to a new buyer that thinks
he is somewhat savvy.

All polite thoughts welcomed.

Best regards,
Jeff
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Re: Stus-List Furling Spinnaker

2020-07-20 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List
I guess I should say first that no, I don't have any time with these, but I
have been researching them, and want one. 

I got one recommendation from a friend in Newport who liked the Karver.  

A neighbor tried a Harken some years back, but said it didn't work too good
- But that was before they changed to the SS Braid over the torsion cable,
which seems to be what either make these work well of not.

You also need to get some space out in front of your headstay.  The more,
the better.If I do it, it will be on a reinforced bow roller.

At this point I am still saving my pennies, as these are not a cheap date.
Nothing can ruin your day like a bad experience with a spinnaker, and I have
had a few.

 

Bill Coleman

Erie PA 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Gateley via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 8:18 PM
To: C list
Cc: Patrick Gateley
Subject: Stus-List Furling Spinnaker

 

Hi all,

 

We've got boat envy. Our neighbor just installed a Harken top-down furler
with a nice code zero and it looks awesome! He is single-handing his 43'
Hans Christian cutter/ketch with ease. Does anyone have experience with
these sorts of systems? Lots of manufacturers out there...

 

Thanks

 

Patrick & Kari Gateley

1988 C 44' "Odessa"

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Re: Stus-List Fuel polisher

2020-07-20 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
I'm pretty sure my gage reads in inches of mercury.  29.92in-hg (30) is
generally considered a perfect vacuum (1 bar, -14.7 psig, 0 psia).  As I
recall my normal running vacuum with a clean filter is about 6 on the
gage.  The arbitrary green band runs between 0 and 10.  Yellow is 10 to
15.  And red is 15 to 30.
The measure which is most important for the filter performance is the
differential between suction and discharge.  For this you would need 2
gages or a D/P gage.  By using a D/P gage you eliminate measuring the lift
of the fluid out of the tank and the line loss over the course of travel.
The measure which is most important for the monitoring the fuel pump
performance is the vacuum of the lift pump.  A gage placed on the outlet of
the Racor is best for determining this.  Of course if you shut off the
suction valve at the tank it doesn't matter.  A gage on either side of the
racor will eventually reach the shutoff suction pressure (vacuum) of the
lift pump.

The best thing to do is trend the performance of your filter and lift
pump.  Nobody is going to give you a specific go/no-go value since every
installation is different.  But, if you know what a good baseline "new"
value is for your pump and filter then you can recognize when those numbers
are drifting or failing hard.  You can also eliminate those components when
troubleshooting if the values are still "good".

https://youtu.be/H-GI38vE4hQ

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 08:53 Len Mitchell via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Tom, I think you have an issue with fuel lift. Either there is a hole in
> the fuel pick up at the 15 gallon gallon level in your tank or the lift
> pump for some reason isn’t able to pull fuel all the way from the bottom of
> the tank. If you had crud and your filters were getting clogged a fuel
> polisher would help that but there must be other issues. I would install a
> 25$ vacuum gauge and see what the pump is pulling. I forget which engine
> you have but if the fuel pick up line is good it’s maybe pump related. Mine
> is a universal and the pump is pretty inexpensive, available and easy to
> swap out. The electric lift pump on mine pulls 1 atmosphere of vacuum and
> Josh’s yanmar pulls 3 or 4 if memory serves. The gauge I used is made for
> an oil furnace filter so it’s pretty common. The other benefit to the gauge
> is you can tell when your filter needs to be changed by an increase in
> vacuum. Either way a fuel polish won’t hurt but it probably won’t help your
> issue.
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs
> 1989 37+
> Midland On.
>
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Re: Stus-List Fuel polisher

2020-07-20 Thread Andrew Burton via CnC-List
That's what I love about this list and why I stay here two years after selling 
my lovely 40! Lots of good advice from good, knowledgeable guys. And I suspect 
you’ve identified a solution to the problem I’m having. Good work, gents!
Andy


Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

www.burtonsailing.com
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
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> On Jul 20, 2020, at 14:36, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> ??
> I am not sure it is physically possible to pull more than one atmosphere of 
> vacuum. That would be less than nothing! One atmosphere = 30 inches vacuum!
> My "official" Racor gauge has the yellow line at 7 inches vacuum and the red 
> line at 10 inches. I have never had it go above 0 unless something is wrong 
> and I don't think I get much more than 10-15 inches running the pump against 
> a closed valve. There is nothing special about the Racor gauge except the 
> pretty colors, you can get vacuum gauges from FleaBay or the hardware store 
> that work as well. When I had a vexing fuel issue I had two gauges installed, 
> one before and one after the filter. A clogged pickup pulls vacuum on both of 
> them, a clogged filter just one. Turned out bits of rubber fill hose had 
> fallen in the tank and would get sucked onto the pickup tube.  If you can't 
> pull any against a closed valve you have air leaks. 
> I also have a cockpit mounted fuel pressure gauge that is nice, it has a red 
> light that goes on when the fuel pressure falls below 1 PSI.
> 
> Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
> www.dellabarba.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Len 
> Mitchell via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:53 AM
> To: CNC List ; Tom Buscaglia 
> Cc: Len Mitchell 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Fuel polisher
> 
> The electric lift pump on mine pulls 1 atmosphere of vacuum and Josh’s yanmar 
> pulls 3 or 4 if memory serves. 
> 
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs
> 1989 37+
> Midland On. 
> 
> 
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2020-07-20 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List
??
I am not sure it is physically possible to pull more than one atmosphere of 
vacuum. That would be less than nothing! One atmosphere = 30 inches vacuum!
My "official" Racor gauge has the yellow line at 7 inches vacuum and the red 
line at 10 inches. I have never had it go above 0 unless something is wrong and 
I don't think I get much more than 10-15 inches running the pump against a 
closed valve. There is nothing special about the Racor gauge except the pretty 
colors, you can get vacuum gauges from FleaBay or the hardware store that work 
as well. When I had a vexing fuel issue I had two gauges installed, one before 
and one after the filter. A clogged pickup pulls vacuum on both of them, a 
clogged filter just one. Turned out bits of rubber fill hose had fallen in the 
tank and would get sucked onto the pickup tube.  If you can't pull any against 
a closed valve you have air leaks. 
I also have a cockpit mounted fuel pressure gauge that is nice, it has a red 
light that goes on when the fuel pressure falls below 1 PSI.

Joe Della Barba Coquina C 35  MK I
www.dellabarba.com

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Len Mitchell 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:53 AM
To: CNC List ; Tom Buscaglia 
Cc: Len Mitchell 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Fuel polisher

The electric lift pump on mine pulls 1 atmosphere of vacuum and Josh’s yanmar 
pulls 3 or 4 if memory serves. 

Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On. 


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Re: Stus-List Fuel Polisher?

2020-07-20 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
When you say ran out of fuel do you mean the level of fuel in your fuel
filter dropped below the outlet?

Which Racor?  A 500?  If so, check the gasket and check the top for
warping.  A warped top may not seal properly and may begin to leak when the
fuel level gets down to 1/2 tank or so.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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> I have a weird issue. 2x last year a ran out of diesel and needed only 25
> gallons to fill my 40 gallon tank. And, yes, I made sure it was topped off.
> I pulled the pickup tube to see if that was the issue, but it was solid
> straight and clean. In fact, I never see any crud or water in my Rancor. I
> want to just pump out the fuel to get a decent measurement of exactly how
> much fuel is in the tank.
>
> So, I’m thinking, get a fuel polisher. Waddaya all think?
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
>
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> If it was Ocean Phoenix, then that was a 37R they were trying to sell (or
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>
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> I think it was Phoenix.  Home port Portland
>
>
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> Did you happen to notice a name on this 37+? I sort of keep up a list of
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> Ken Heaton
>
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> On Sunday, 19 July 2020, PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List 
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> wrote:
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> Hello all
>
>
> Capt Jim's Marine Salvage and Nautical Antiquities open every Saturday
>
> 9:00 am till 3:00 pm.
>
> Call capt Jim 207-838-9902
>
> 326 Presumpscot St Portland ME
>
> Open every Saturday 9:00 am till 3:00 pm or by appointment.
>
> New England's largest Marine salvage superstore!
>
> There was a 37+
>
> They  are parting out due to running aground
>
> Aft starboard quarter just at water line large hole saw the complete
>
> steering quadrant seems much tighter access them my 40 ;
>
> Keel missing
>
> Did not see the mast
>
> stantions bow and stern rails looked good
>
> Did not go inside
>
> Hope this helps someone on the list if they need parts
>
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>
> 1983 40 aft cabin
>
> Goonie Island
>
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> I?m standing in the salvage yard.
> All kinds of everything for
> ZCC30148B989
> King Salvage.
> I live 10 

Stus-List Fuel polisher

2020-07-20 Thread Len Mitchell via CnC-List
Tom, I think you have an issue with fuel lift. Either there is a hole in the 
fuel pick up at the 15 gallon gallon level in your tank or the lift pump for 
some reason isn’t able to pull fuel all the way from the bottom of the tank. If 
you had crud and your filters were getting clogged a fuel polisher would help 
that but there must be other issues. I would install a 25$ vacuum gauge and see 
what the pump is pulling. I forget which engine you have but if the fuel pick 
up line is good it’s maybe pump related. Mine is a universal and the pump is 
pretty inexpensive, available and easy to swap out. The electric lift pump on 
mine pulls 1 atmosphere of vacuum and Josh’s yanmar pulls 3 or 4 if memory 
serves. The gauge I used is made for an oil furnace filter so it’s pretty 
common. The other benefit to the gauge is you can tell when your filter needs 
to be changed by an increase in vacuum. Either way a fuel polish won’t hurt but 
it probably won’t help your issue. 
Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On. 


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Re: Stus-List Fuel Polisher?

2020-07-20 Thread Andrew Burton via CnC-List
My first thought is, why not polish it? Diesels like fresh clean fuel. 
My second thought is to check if your pickup goes all the way to within 1/2” of 
the bottom of the tank. 
Is the pickup on one side of the tank so it’s sucking air when you’re heeled?
I’m having a similar issue with a boat I’m delivering, the generator has sucked 
air into the Racor twice, both times on tank 2. Tank is 1/4 full. Same pickup 
as the main engine, which has had no issues. It’s a puzzlement! 
Currently in Portimão, Portugal, where I note a decided dearth of C What 
are these crazy Europeans thinking?
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

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> On Jul 20, 2020, at 07:10, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I have  a  weird issue.   2x last  year a  ran  out  of  diesel and  needed 
> only 25  gallons  to  fill  my  40  gallon  tank.And, yes, I made  sure  
> it  was  topped  off.   I pulled  the  pickup  tube  to  see  if  that  was  
> the  issue,  but  it  was  solid straight and  clean.   In  fact, I  never  
> see  any  crud  or  water  in  my  Rancor.I want to  just  pump out  the  
> fuel  to  get  a decent measurement of  exactly  how  much  fuel  is  in  the 
>  tank.
> 
> So, I’m thinking, get a fuel polisher.  Waddaya all think?
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> S/V Alera 
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon WA
> P 206.463.9200
> C 305.409.3660
> 
> 
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 16:42:56 -0300
>> From: Ken Heaton 
>> To: cnc-list 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Salvage C 37+
>> Message-ID:
>>
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>> If it was Ocean Phoenix, then that was a 37R they were trying to sell (or
>> had just recently sold).  Dark blue hull like this?
>> 
>> https://svoceanphoenix.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/cc-37r-3.jpg
>> 
>> https://svoceanphoenix.com/2019/12/24/could-it-be-true-ocean-phoenix-is-for-sale/
>> 
>> 
>> Ken H.
>> 
>> On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 11:53, PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think it was Phoenix.  Home port Portland
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hello Peter,
>>> 
>>> Did you happen to notice a name on this 37+? I sort of keep up a list of
>>> the 37+ out there and would like to mark this one as gone.
>>> 
>>> Ken Heaton
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, 19 July 2020, PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List 
>>> wrote:
 Hello all
 
 Capt Jim's Marine Salvage and Nautical Antiquities open every Saturday
>>> 9:00 am till 3:00 pm.
 Call capt Jim 207-838-9902
 326 Presumpscot St Portland ME
 Open every Saturday 9:00 am till 3:00 pm or by appointment.
 New England's largest Marine salvage superstore!
 There was a 37+
 They  are parting out due to running aground
 Aft starboard quarter just at water line large hole saw the complete
>>> steering quadrant seems much tighter access them my 40 ;
 Keel missing
 Did not see the mast
 stantions bow and stern rails looked good
 Did not go inside
 Hope this helps someone on the list if they need parts
 Peter ocampo
 1983 40 aft cabin
 Goonie Island
 Portland.  Maine
 Sent from my iPhone ___
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2020-07-20 Thread Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List
I have  a  weird issue.   2x last  year a  ran  out  of  diesel and  needed 
only 25  gallons  to  fill  my  40  gallon  tank.And, yes, I made  sure  it 
 was  topped  off.   I pulled  the  pickup  tube  to  see  if  that  was  the  
issue,  but  it  was  solid straight and  clean.   In  fact, I  never  see  any 
 crud  or  water  in  my  Rancor.I want to  just  pump out  the  fuel  to  
get  a decent measurement of  exactly  how  much  fuel  is  in  the  tank.

So, I’m thinking, get a fuel polisher.  Waddaya all think?

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Alera 
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200
C 305.409.3660


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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 16:42:56 -0300
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> If it was Ocean Phoenix, then that was a 37R they were trying to sell (or
> had just recently sold).  Dark blue hull like this?
> 
> https://svoceanphoenix.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/cc-37r-3.jpg
> 
> https://svoceanphoenix.com/2019/12/24/could-it-be-true-ocean-phoenix-is-for-sale/
> 
> 
> Ken H.
> 
>> On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 11:53, PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think it was Phoenix.  Home port Portland
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 19, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hello Peter,
>> 
>> Did you happen to notice a name on this 37+? I sort of keep up a list of
>> the 37+ out there and would like to mark this one as gone.
>> 
>> Ken Heaton
>> 
>>> On Sunday, 19 July 2020, PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List 
>>> wrote:
>>> Hello all
>>> 
>>> Capt Jim's Marine Salvage and Nautical Antiquities open every Saturday
>> 9:00 am till 3:00 pm.
>>> Call capt Jim 207-838-9902
>>> 326 Presumpscot St Portland ME
>>> Open every Saturday 9:00 am till 3:00 pm or by appointment.
>>> New England's largest Marine salvage superstore!
>>> There was a 37+
>>> They  are parting out due to running aground
>>> Aft starboard quarter just at water line large hole saw the complete
>> steering quadrant seems much tighter access them my 40 ;
>>> Keel missing
>>> Did not see the mast
>>> stantions bow and stern rails looked good
>>> Did not go inside
>>> Hope this helps someone on the list if they need parts
>>> Peter ocampo
>>> 1983 40 aft cabin
>>> Goonie Island
>>> Portland.  Maine
>>> Sent from my iPhone ___
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> I?m standing in the salvage yard.
> All kinds of everything for 
> ZCC30148B989
> King Salvage. 
> I live 10 Minutes away.
> Motor is not seized. 3 GM? i think. 
> Jon
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