Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

[Peter McMinn via CnC-List]

Thanks for the replies. I looked under the floorboards today for a manifold or 
something regulating flow from/to either tank. Plumbing is all tight but only T 
connectors, no valve. I opened P/S tubes and both showed positive flow, though 
port side seemed slower. I then went to the port tank and and found a cracked 
tightener on the filler tube, which I sealed with rescue tape. Not sure that 
would be a factor in the issue. Joe, I do suspect a venting issue and will try 
to hunt that down tomorrow;)
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Stus-List Re: C 40

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Speaking of C 40's, I was down at our club 
today hanging out on Alera, under the winter 
cover that still has to come off.  As I walked 
the docks I saw that there is a 40 there that has 
been neglected.  I checked and according to the 
registration sticker on it, it looks like has not 
been used since 2017.  I called the club 
dock-master and apparently the owner is on notice 
to vacate the slip by the end of this month as 
the club requires boats to be both properly 
maintained and used.  This is neither.


I reached out to the owner but have not heard 
back yet. Not sure of the year but from the cut 
of the ports I suspect it is from the late 
80s.  If anyone in the PNW or anywhere else with 
the will to relocate the boat is interested, I'll 
see what the deal is the let everyone know.  I 
think it would be an awesome deal for 
someone.  Maybe even a freebee! (Yes Dave, I'm thinking of you and Dave).


 Tom B

.¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤¤º°`°º¤,¸¸,¤º°`°º¤.
Tom & Lynn Buscaglia
SV Alera
C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


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Stus-List Re: C 40

[G Donald Wagner via CnC-List]

My C 41 CB with a tall rig draws 4'11" with the board up,7' 10" with the 
board down, according to the data brochure.I've tested it here on the Bay many 
times and believe the Brochure.
On the other end, the quoted Bridge clearance is 60'4"' per the brochure. I've 
never tested it , but believe it is correct, not allowing for the Windex or the 
Wind direction/Wind speed Instrument. The instrumentation  may add another 12 
-14'". So, if you believe the corps of Engineers the 65" along most of the ICW 
will be ok!  Of course, near Miami and on the Okeechobee Waterway where, it's 
often stated to be 55" , will be a problem!
Just my .02 cents worth
Don WagnerC Baron on the West River of the Chesapeake Bay



-Original Message-
From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2021 11:41 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40

I'd be more worried about water draft than air draft in the ICW with a fixed 
keel boat.
Andy, I know its a tough job ...  Besides, too cold to sail in Newport.
Joel
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:36 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I think the tall rig on the 40 is fine for the ICW. I loved that boat. She gave 
me few excuses to use the engine, even in light airs if I looked at her 
sideways she was doing 5 knots. And she'd point like Babe Ruth predicting a 
home run. Heading home from Cuttyhunk was always lovely; we'd head down the 
rhumb line for R2A with sheets just a little eased and we'd watch all the 
Benecatahunts fade off to leeward into the Sakonnet River and eventually start 
motoring. The 40 combines performance and beauty to an extent not seen on many 
other boats. It’s my favorite C!
Andy(Stuck in the Bahamas with clients far away from my own boat)

Andrew Burton26 Beacon HillNewport, RI USA    02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/+401 965-5260
On Mar 22, 2021, at 10:47, Robert Boyer via CnC-List  
wrote:


Tall rigs will give you fits if you ever travel down the ICW.
Bob

Bob Boyers/v Rainy DaysC Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)(Spending winters in warm 
places, and summers on the Chesapeake Bay)blog: dainyrays.blogspot.comemail: 
dainyr...@icloud.com




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Stus-List Re: C 40

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Another important consideration for sail boat owners. Lots of water around
here still went aground a few times during my sailing days for whatever
reason. Big decision for me right now is about selling Alianna and moving
to a comfy trawler design.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 1:15 PM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The boat we are looking at draws 4’8” with the board up, which means I
> might not be aground in my slip at extra-low tide.
>
> Also very annoying to have to go the long way around Kent Island to get to
> Saint Michaels.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
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Stus-List Re: C 40

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Don the 41 is a beautiful boat! I looked at one and would have bought, except, 
that I was worried about getting under the bridges around my area! My 37 gets a 
bit close if the rivers are up and running!
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River Mile 596
Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: G Donald Wagner via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: G Donald Wagner 
Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2021 11:07 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40

Joe,
My C 41CB is the tall rig. The shallow draft and the tall rig are nice 
features for cruising or racing on the Chesapeake Bay.
She is more tender than my previous C 30, so I have to shorten sail sooner.

Don WagnerC 41CBDer Baron

-Original Message-
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2021 10:30 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40

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sure the centerboard versions are not the tall mast boats. Draft issues aside, 
the tall mast would be nice around here, lack of wind is a much more common 
issue than too much. I once watched a C 44 trounce a fleet of smaller C in 
light air, what breeze there was existed above everyone else’s sails but the 
44. Anyway – back to the video – that looks like absolute sailing heaven. We 
almost never seem to be that lucky. Notice it was relatively dry and no 
banging. We seem to get more often than not is confused seas, say two different 
sets in the 10-15-20 foot range that will occasionally combine and drop a 
mountain of water on the boat. Even two sets of 10 footers will make the 
occasional 20 footer. Then there was the “toilet bowl”, one time at the edge of 
the Gulf Stream we got drenched by waves from port, starboard, and then aft in 
short succession. The 35 MK I does well with coming back up at least, a big 
breaking wave can lay you over and she just pops right back up – no worries    
 Joe  Coquina    From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:09 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C 40    From the Dellenbaugh Angle 
calculation the C 40 tall mast is quite tender. The 30  MK1 is very stiff and 
the 35 MKI is in the sweet spot. This diagram predicts well what I have 
observed with the C designs i have sailed.     Thanks to all of the 
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Stus-List Re: Dellenbaugh angle

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Have to catch up on my nautical terms.  I thought that was the Murphy’s angle.  
Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Mar 22, 2021, at 12:33 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> The Dellenbaugh Angle is much less critical than the Modelo Angle.  The 
> Modelo Angle is the angle at which a beer will tip over and spill.  Also 
> known as the Heineken Angle.
> 
> -- 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Re: Dellenbaugh angle

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

The Dellenbaugh Angle is much less critical than the Modelo Angle.  The
Modelo Angle is the angle at which a beer will tip over and spill.  Also
known as the Heineken Angle.

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Stus-List Re: Dellenbaugh angle

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Does anyone know the Dellenbaugh angle for the 34/36 (34+) or 37+?  I did not 
see them on that chart.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT



> On Mar 22, 2021, at 10:08 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> From the Dellenbaugh Angle calculation the C 40 tall mast is quite tender. 
> The 30  MK1 is very stiff and the 35 MKI is in the sweet spot. This diagram 
> predicts well what I have observed with the C designs i have sailed. 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> This is the one we may look at:
> 
> https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/c-c-fiberglass-40-3689672/ 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Joe
> 
> Coquina
> 
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Stus-List Re: C 40

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The boat we are looking at draws 4’8” with the board up, which means I might 
not be aground in my slip at extra-low tide.
Also very annoying to have to go the long way around Kent Island to get to 
Saint Michaels.

Joe
Coquina
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Stus-List Re: C 40

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Good to know!  If only there was a deep water inlet between the two!

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:59 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've carried 8’ from Beaufort, NC to Norfolk several times recently.
> Farther South might be a challenge.
> Andy
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Mar 22, 2021, at 11:41, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I'd be more worried about water draft than air draft in the ICW with a
> fixed keel boat.
>
> Andy, I know its a tough job ...  Besides, too cold to sail in Newport.
>
> Joel
>
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:36 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I think the tall rig on the 40 is fine for the ICW.
>> I loved that boat. She gave me few excuses to use the engine, even in
>> light airs if I looked at her sideways she was doing 5 knots. And she'd
>> point like Babe Ruth predicting a home run. Heading home from Cuttyhunk was
>> always lovely; we'd head down the rhumb line for R2A with sheets just a
>> little eased and we'd watch all the Benecatahunts fade off to leeward into
>> the Sakonnet River and eventually start motoring. The 40 combines
>> performance and beauty to an extent not seen on many other boats. It’s my
>> favorite C!
>>
>> Andy
>> (Stuck in the Bahamas with clients far away from my own boat)
>>
>> Andrew Burton
>> 26 Beacon Hill
>> Newport, RI
>> USA02840
>>
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> +401 965-5260
>>
>> On Mar 22, 2021, at 10:47, Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tall rigs will give you fits if you ever travel down the ICW.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Bob Boyer
>> s/v Rainy Days
>> C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
>> (Spending winters in warm places, and summers on the Chesapeake Bay)
>> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
>> email: dainyr...@icloud.com
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> --
> Joel
>
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Stus-List Re: C 40

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I've carried 8’ from Beaufort, NC to Norfolk several times recently. Farther 
South might be a challenge.
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Mar 22, 2021, at 11:41, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I'd be more worried about water draft than air draft in the ICW with a fixed 
> keel boat.
> 
> Andy, I know its a tough job ...  Besides, too cold to sail in Newport.
> 
> Joel
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:36 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I think the tall rig on the 40 is fine for the ICW. 
>> I loved that boat. She gave me few excuses to use the engine, even in light 
>> airs if I looked at her sideways she was doing 5 knots. And she'd point like 
>> Babe Ruth predicting a home run. Heading home from Cuttyhunk was always 
>> lovely; we'd head down the rhumb line for R2A with sheets just a little 
>> eased and we'd watch all the Benecatahunts fade off to leeward into the 
>> Sakonnet River and eventually start motoring. The 40 combines performance 
>> and beauty to an extent not seen on many other boats. It’s my favorite C!
>> 
>> Andy
>> (Stuck in the Bahamas with clients far away from my own boat)
>> 
>> Andrew Burton
>> 26 Beacon Hill
>> Newport, RI 
>> USA02840
>> 
>> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>> +401 965-5260
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2021, at 10:47, Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tall rigs will give you fits if you ever travel down the ICW.
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>> Bob Boyer
>>> s/v Rainy Days
>>> C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
>>> (Spending winters in warm places, and summers on the Chesapeake Bay)
>>> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
>>> email: dainyr...@icloud.com
>>> 
 
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>> Stu
> 
> 
> -- 
> Joel 
> 
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Stus-List Re: C 40

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I'd be more worried about water draft than air draft in the ICW with a
fixed keel boat.

Andy, I know its a tough job ...  Besides, too cold to sail in Newport.

Joel

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:36 AM Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I think the tall rig on the 40 is fine for the ICW.
> I loved that boat. She gave me few excuses to use the engine, even in
> light airs if I looked at her sideways she was doing 5 knots. And she'd
> point like Babe Ruth predicting a home run. Heading home from Cuttyhunk was
> always lovely; we'd head down the rhumb line for R2A with sheets just a
> little eased and we'd watch all the Benecatahunts fade off to leeward into
> the Sakonnet River and eventually start motoring. The 40 combines
> performance and beauty to an extent not seen on many other boats. It’s my
> favorite C!
>
> Andy
> (Stuck in the Bahamas with clients far away from my own boat)
>
> Andrew Burton
> 26 Beacon Hill
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> On Mar 22, 2021, at 10:47, Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Tall rigs will give you fits if you ever travel down the ICW.
>
> Bob
>
> Bob Boyer
> s/v Rainy Days
> C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
> (Spending winters in warm places, and summers on the Chesapeake Bay)
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com
>
>
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Stus-List Re: C 40

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I think the tall rig on the 40 is fine for the ICW. 
I loved that boat. She gave me few excuses to use the engine, even in light 
airs if I looked at her sideways she was doing 5 knots. And she'd point like 
Babe Ruth predicting a home run. Heading home from Cuttyhunk was always lovely; 
we'd head down the rhumb line for R2A with sheets just a little eased and we'd 
watch all the Benecatahunts fade off to leeward into the Sakonnet River and 
eventually start motoring. The 40 combines performance and beauty to an extent 
not seen on many other boats. It’s my favorite C!

Andy
(Stuck in the Bahamas with clients far away from my own boat)

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Mar 22, 2021, at 10:47, Robert Boyer via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Tall rigs will give you fits if you ever travel down the ICW.
> 
> Bob
> 
> Bob Boyer
> s/v Rainy Days
> C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
> (Spending winters in warm places, and summers on the Chesapeake Bay)
> blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
> email: dainyr...@icloud.com
> 
>> 
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Stus-List Re: C 40

[G Donald Wagner via CnC-List]

Joe,
My C 41CB is the tall rig. The shallow draft and the tall rig are nice 
features for cruising or racing on the Chesapeake Bay.
She is more tender than my previous C 30, so I have to shorten sail sooner.

Don WagnerC 41CBDer Baron

-Original Message-
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Sent: Mon, Mar 22, 2021 10:30 am
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 40

 I am pretty sure the 
centerboard versions are not the tall mast boats. Draft issues aside, the tall 
mast would be nice around here, lack of wind is a much more common issue than 
too much. I once watched a C 44 trounce a fleet of smaller C in light air, 
what breeze there was existed above everyone else’s sails but the 44. Anyway – 
back to the video – that looks like absolute sailing heaven. We almost never 
seem to be that lucky. Notice it was relatively dry and no banging. We seem to 
get more often than not is confused seas, say two different sets in the 
10-15-20 foot range that will occasionally combine and drop a mountain of water 
on the boat. Even two sets of 10 footers will make the occasional 20 footer. 
Then there was the “toilet bowl”, one time at the edge of the Gulf Stream we 
got drenched by waves from port, starboard, and then aft in short succession. 
The 35 MK I does well with coming back up at least, a big breaking wave can lay 
you over and she just pops right back up – no worries     Joe  Coquina    
From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:09 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C 40    From the Dellenbaugh Angle 
calculation the C 40 tall mast is quite tender. The 30  MK1 is very stiff and 
the 35 MKI is in the sweet spot. This diagram predicts well what I have 
observed with the C designs i have sailed.     Thanks to all of the 
subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the costs involved.  If 
you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution --  
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Stus-List Re: C 40

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

You gotta try sailing St. Margaret’s Bay NS. Tall mast tender boats do well
in light air but stiffer boats are much better around here.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:30 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am pretty sure the centerboard versions are not the tall mast boats.
> Draft issues aside, the tall mast would be nice around here, lack of wind
> is a much more common issue than too much. I once watched a C 44 trounce
> a fleet of smaller C in light air, what breeze there was existed above
> everyone else’s sails but the 44.
>
> Anyway – back to the video – that looks like absolute sailing heaven. We
> almost never seem to be that lucky. Notice it was relatively dry and no
> banging. We seem to get more often than not is confused seas, say two
> different sets in the 10-15-20 foot range that will occasionally combine
> and drop a mountain of water on the boat. Even two sets of 10 footers will
> make the occasional 20 footer. Then there was the “toilet bowl”, one time
> at the edge of the Gulf Stream we got drenched by waves from port,
> starboard, and then aft in short succession. The 35 MK I does well with
> coming back up at least, a big breaking wave can lay you over and she just
> pops right back up – no worries 
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* dwight veinot via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 10:09 AM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* dwight veinot 
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C 40
>
>
>
> From the Dellenbaugh Angle calculation the C 40 tall mast is quite
> tender. The 30  MK1 is very stiff and the 35 MKI is in the sweet spot. This
> diagram predicts well what I have observed with the C designs i have
> sailed.
>
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[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

Tall rigs will give you fits if you ever travel down the ICW.

Bob

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending winters in warm places, and summers on the Chesapeake Bay)
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> On Mar 22, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am pretty sure the centerboard versions are not the tall mast boats. Draft 
> issues aside, the tall mast would be nice around here, lack of wind is a much 
> more common issue than too much. I once watched a C 44 trounce a fleet of 
> smaller C in light air, what breeze there was existed above everyone 
> else’s sails but the 44.
> Anyway – back to the video – that looks like absolute sailing heaven. We 
> almost never seem to be that lucky. Notice it was relatively dry and no 
> banging. We seem to get more often than not is confused seas, say two 
> different sets in the 10-15-20 foot range that will occasionally combine and 
> drop a mountain of water on the boat. Even two sets of 10 footers will make 
> the occasional 20 footer. Then there was the “toilet bowl”, one time at the 
> edge of the Gulf Stream we got drenched by waves from port, starboard, and 
> then aft in short succession. The 35 MK I does well with coming back up at 
> least, a big breaking wave can lay you over and she just pops right back up – 
> no worries 
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
>  
> From: dwight veinot via CnC-List  
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:09 AM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: dwight veinot 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C 40
>  
> From the Dellenbaugh Angle calculation the C 40 tall mast is quite tender. 
> The 30  MK1 is very stiff and the 35 MKI is in the sweet spot. This diagram 
> predicts well what I have observed with the C designs i have sailed. 
>  
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Stus-List Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Another thing to check is the vents. One airplane I flew could interconnect the 
tanks, but a vent issue made one side drain faster than the other.
Joe
Coquina
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[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I am pretty sure the centerboard versions are not the tall mast boats. Draft 
issues aside, the tall mast would be nice around here, lack of wind is a much 
more common issue than too much. I once watched a C 44 trounce a fleet of 
smaller C in light air, what breeze there was existed above everyone else’s 
sails but the 44.
Anyway – back to the video – that looks like absolute sailing heaven. We almost 
never seem to be that lucky. Notice it was relatively dry and no banging. We 
seem to get more often than not is confused seas, say two different sets in the 
10-15-20 foot range that will occasionally combine and drop a mountain of water 
on the boat. Even two sets of 10 footers will make the occasional 20 footer. 
Then there was the “toilet bowl”, one time at the edge of the Gulf Stream we 
got drenched by waves from port, starboard, and then aft in short succession. 
The 35 MK I does well with coming back up at least, a big breaking wave can lay 
you over and she just pops right back up – no worries 

Joe
Coquina

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 10:09 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: dwight veinot 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List Re: C 40

From the Dellenbaugh Angle calculation the C 40 tall mast is quite tender. 
The 30  MK1 is very stiff and the 35 MKI is in the sweet spot. This diagram 
predicts well what I have observed with the C designs i have sailed.

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Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

[pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List]

Pete –

Another suggestion is to use a small air compressor or shopvac to blow air 
through the lines to determine if/where the blockage is.  Do you have the small 
plastic gate valves at the tank?  Those may be suspect.   A ball valve is a 
nice upgrade.   Also as you go through the system, if you have any loose 
fittings air will get sucked in and cause problems too.  

 

Pumps will pull water from the side of least resistance.  If the line to your 
port tank is longer of has an obstruction, the starboard tank gets drawn down 
until the pump sucks air, then nothing is going to happen.  

 

FWIW – In normal use I isolate the tanks with the valves at the tank discharge 
and only use one at a time.   Yes the boat will be heavy on one side, but in 
this mode I’m not racing and don’t care.  When racing all tanks are empty.  

 

Hope that helps.

 

 

 

From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 8:56 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

 

Is there a valve manifold somewhere between the line and the pump?

Have you tried closing the starboard valve or blowing through the port hose to 
see what happens?

 

Should not be hard to troubleshoot if you know where the lines run.

 

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 2:55 AM Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I have a 30gal water tank under both settees. The valves for each are set to 
open flow. However, the pump seems to draw only from the starboard side. I’d 
assumed that with both valves open, the tanks would equalize, but the stbd tank 
empties and the pump goes dry, while the port tank remains full. Can someone 
venture to what’s going on? I’ve read this 2015 discussion 

 , but the OP then was interested in disconnecting the two tanks. I’ll do some 
exploring tomorrow to see what might be preventing the tanks from equalizing. 
Ideas are welcome.

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Stus-List Re: C 40

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

>From the Dellenbaugh Angle calculation the C 40 tall mast is quite
tender. The 30  MK1 is very stiff and the 35 MKI is in the sweet spot. This
diagram predicts well what I have observed with the C designs i have
sailed.

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 5:41 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> This is the one we may look at:
>
> https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981/c-c-fiberglass-40-3689672/
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
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Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Do the tanks each have vents to air

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 8:14 AM Adam Hayden via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Peter
>
> Very interesting.  I have the same issue except my port tank drains and
> the Starboard tank does not.
>
> Drives me crazy.
>
> Adam c 36
>
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> *From:* Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 22, 2021 3:55:08 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> *Cc:* petemcm...@gmail.com 
> *Subject:* Stus-List water tanks interconnected, or not?
>
>
> I have a 30gal water tank under both settees. The valves for each are set
> to open flow. However, the pump seems to draw only from the starboard side.
> I’d assumed that with both valves open, the tanks would equalize, but the
> stbd tank empties and the pump goes dry, while the port tank remains full.
> Can someone venture to what’s going on? I’ve read this 2015 discussion
> ,
> but the OP then was interested in disconnecting the two tanks. I’ll do some
> exploring tomorrow to see what might be preventing the tanks from
> equalizing. Ideas are welcome.
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Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Is there a valve manifold somewhere between the line and the pump?
Have you tried closing the starboard valve or blowing through the port hose
to see what happens?

Should not be hard to troubleshoot if you know where the lines run.

On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 2:55 AM Peter McMinn via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have a 30gal water tank under both settees. The valves for each are set
> to open flow. However, the pump seems to draw only from the starboard side.
> I’d assumed that with both valves open, the tanks would equalize, but the
> stbd tank empties and the pump goes dry, while the port tank remains full.
> Can someone venture to what’s going on? I’ve read this 2015 discussion
> ,
> but the OP then was interested in disconnecting the two tanks. I’ll do some
> exploring tomorrow to see what might be preventing the tanks from
> equalizing. Ideas are welcome.
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Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

3-way valve in line somewhere?

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661
484-354-8800

From: Adam Hayden via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 7:14:06 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: petemcm...@gmail.com ; Adam Hayden 

Subject: Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

Peter

Very interesting.  I have the same issue except my port tank drains and the 
Starboard tank does not.

Drives me crazy.

Adam c 36

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From: Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 3:55:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: petemcm...@gmail.com 
Subject: Stus-List water tanks interconnected, or not?


I have a 30gal water tank under both settees. The valves for each are set to 
open flow. However, the pump seems to draw only from the starboard side. I’d 
assumed that with both valves open, the tanks would equalize, but the stbd tank 
empties and the pump goes dry, while the port tank remains full. Can someone 
venture to what’s going on? I’ve read this 2015 
discussion,
 but the OP then was interested in disconnecting the two tanks. I’ll do some 
exploring tomorrow to see what might be preventing the tanks from equalizing. 
Ideas are welcome.
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Stus-List water tanks interconnected, or not?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

It sounds like something is wrong, maybe the valves do not work like you think 
they do or something is clogged.
That said, interconnecting tanks is not a good idea. This will cause a lot of 
weight to move to the low side every time you tack if the tanks are not full 
and anytime one tank is drawing air it may prevent the pump from working even 
if the other tanks is full.

Joe
Coquina


From: Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 2:55 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: petemcm...@gmail.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List water tanks interconnected, or not?


I have a 30gal water tank under both settees. The valves for each are set to 
open flow. However, the pump seems to draw only from the starboard side. I’d 
assumed that with both valves open, the tanks would equalize, but the stbd tank 
empties and the pump goes dry, while the port tank remains full. Can someone 
venture to what’s going on? I’ve read this 2015 
discussion,
 but the OP then was interested in disconnecting the two tanks. I’ll do some 
exploring tomorrow to see what might be preventing the tanks from equalizing. 
Ideas are welcome.
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Stus-List Re: water tanks interconnected, or not?

[Adam Hayden via CnC-List]

Peter

Very interesting.  I have the same issue except my port tank drains and the 
Starboard tank does not.

Drives me crazy.

Adam c 36

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From: Peter McMinn via CnC-List 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 3:55:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: petemcm...@gmail.com 
Subject: Stus-List water tanks interconnected, or not?


I have a 30gal water tank under both settees. The valves for each are set to 
open flow. However, the pump seems to draw only from the starboard side. I’d 
assumed that with both valves open, the tanks would equalize, but the stbd tank 
empties and the pump goes dry, while the port tank remains full. Can someone 
venture to what’s going on? I’ve read this 2015 
discussion,
 but the OP then was interested in disconnecting the two tanks. I’ll do some 
exploring tomorrow to see what might be preventing the tanks from equalizing. 
Ideas are welcome.
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Stus-List water tanks interconnected, or not?

[Peter McMinn via CnC-List]

I have a 30gal water tank under both settees. The valves for each are set to 
open flow. However, the pump seems to draw only from the starboard side. I’d 
assumed that with both valves open, the tanks would equalize, but the stbd tank 
empties and the pump goes dry, while the port tank remains full. Can someone 
venture to what’s going on? I’ve read [this 2015 
discussion](https://cnc-list.com/empathy/thread/2KB2NSDGELMQQJSRMPPWPHVMCWQJ2ICR?hash=SLQZNGDWP5TUBYWW6HFGKHJT5DVCWB5F#SLQZNGDWP5TUBYWW6HFGKHJT5DVCWB5F),
 but the OP then was interested in disconnecting the two tanks. I’ll do some 
exploring tomorrow to see what might be preventing the tanks from equalizing. 
Ideas are welcome.
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