Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
Hi Gang, I will share a fuel related A4 problem and the satisfactory resolution. I had a condition where the A4 would quit, most often after slowing down from a run of hours. Very annoying when it happens while entering a marina or crowded harbour (i.e.: Prideaux Haven, Desolation Sound). No starting until cools a bit. I went through the coil troubleshooting, no luck. It turned out to be my BLACK fuel filter housing installed opposite the carb, but more importantly the exhaust manifold. It seems the radiant heat from the exhaust manifold was hot enough to vapour-lock the fuel supply when I slowed down. I made up an aluminum foil shield (in the anchorage at Prideaux Haven) and it fixed the fault. After the cruising season I did a circulating acid clean but still kept the heat shield in place. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35-1 At 09:16 AM 05/08/2014, you wrote: If I can fix a fuel problem on an A4, anyone can!Totally agree with the others to clean your fuel tank well (removing it is not as hard as it appears) and go thru each line to make sure its clean and tight (no air leakage), change filters, install polishing filter, electronic ignition, etc. My carb only needed to be adjusted to fix a shutoff problem that had vexed my husband for years. Vibration had made the main jet adjusting screw loosen and it let in too much fuel so the engine would essentially flood itself after some running time. I adjusted the screw myself and it has run like a little princess ever since. Knock on wood. Barbara Hickson Fellers Flight Risk CC 33-1 Charleston, SC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
a small % of gasoline in diesel is OK. I would not go for more than 5% at most
for a short time. I had a diesel Golf, used to fill up in Mexico (at that time
1/5th price). Once I filled up at a different pump, got dirty fuel (some
'bugs' and water). A gallon of gas in 20+ gallon of diesel did the trick, the
tanks (2) were clean with a 1/2 cup full of gunk in the bottom. No more stuff
in the per-filter. Sold the car 80-100K miles later, at 190K. Never any
problem.
Leslie.
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To: Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2014, 2:45 PM
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Better diesel in your gas
tank than the other way around!
I have been told that up to 10%
gasoline in a large (25 gal) diesel tank would still be
OK to use. I picked this up when discussing diesel truck
refueling issues.
I friend of mine with a fleet of diesel trucks panicked
when he looked down and noticed he stuck a gas nozzle into
his diesel tank. He paid for a tow and to have the tank
drained and cleaned. Afterword’s we discussed the event
and he thought he had put in
5 to 10 gal of gas into a 40 gal tank.
I recommend you check your engine
owner’s manual before paying $$ to pump out a diesel tank
with a few gallons of gasoline added.
Martin
Calypso
1971 CC 43
Seattle
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On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 2:16 PM
To: 'Stevan Plavsa'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
Better diesel in your gas tank
than the other way around!
Not sure my marina would go to
those lengths to make good on that.
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On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:11 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
I've replaced the
entire fuel system except the tank. I think it's
aluminum. I did free it once to lift it up so I could see
underneath. No noticeable corrosion.
New fill hose, vent,
lines, racor and polishing filter.
Last year the attendant at
a marina I was at accidentally filled the tank with diesel!
The marina paid for a waste disposal truck to come down and
pump the tank out. Then we put about 10 litres of gasoline
in and pumped that out too. I
like to think I got a free tank cleaning ... they paid for
the fill, dinner, a night at the marina and a LIMO (to take
us to dinner). Yeah, they made good on their mistake, and
then some.
Steve
Suhana, CC 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
Paul, My first boat had a Palmer P-60, a flat-head 4 cylinder derived from an International Cub Cadet tractor engine, and similar to the Atomic 4. It was raw-water cooled, and the boat was in salt water. I had endless running problems with it over the years. The problems were both electrical (ignition) and carburetor-related. Conversion of the ignition system to electronic ignition (no more points in the distributor) made a tremendous improvement, but I still had carburetor issues. A real pain to remove it. I wondered when I bought the boat why the previous owner had left me a box-end wrench cut in half. I soon found out that there was no room to use a full-length wrench (or a socket) to remove the carburetor bolts. It was so tight on that side of the engine that a half-wrench was needed to remove the bolts. After several years of trying everything else, I finally decided to completely pump out the fuel tank. I found, at the bottom of the 35-gallon tank, at least 1 of water which had apparently accumulated over time. I have no idea why the water never showed up in the various fuel filters I had tried over the years. I completely cleaned the tank as best I could, and refilled it with fresh fuel. I never had another problem with the engine (other than head gaskets corroding and leaking, but that's another story) over the next 10 years that I owned the boat. Perhaps this cure will work for you. Bill MYSTY Landfall 39 In a message dated 8/5/2014 8:04:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cnc-list@cnc-list.com writes: Paul If the block is OK and you have good compression and this hasn't been done yet, I would get a price to upgrade to electric fuel pump, electronic ignition, rebuild the carb (professionally), Install a good fuel filter / separator and smaller in-line fuel filter downstream from the separator, empty the fuel tank and change ALL fuel lines then refill with fresh treated fuel. All that can be done with the motor in the boat. Take your time and find a good mechanic that has experience with this motor. Can't imagine that would be more than a couple $K. Certainly less than a refit to an outboard. Just about any engine can be made to run reliably. Since the advent of ethanol, fuel has become a persistent problem. Getting rid of the points will remove the potential for a few problems, too. Just a suggestion. Good luck! -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Pennie via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 7:46 AM To: Paul and Darlene Clarke; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List follow-up on outboards Paul: I hear you and feel you pain. Been there. Just don't underestimate the cost of the outboard route. Even with a combination of yard/DIY/Ebay I can't see this being less than a 4k project and will easily top 6k yard alone. That includes removing the A4, removing all the associated systems and filling in some pretty big holes. Beef up the transom, buy an electric start outboard, a decent bracket and engine controls. None of this will add a dime of value to your boat. Electric is interesting but really doesn't like being away from dockside power for more than a night. That is likely an 8-10k project. as you still need to remove many of the components and upgrade both your charging system and batteries. Repowering with diesel is going to be in the same range. at least At the end of the day, I suspect the choice really comes down to a total rebuild vs. time to sell. Just an opinion. John ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
One more thing - early-mid 1970s CC fuel systems would not be even CLOSE to being safe in 2014. I have not one scrap of the original fuel system left. The tank was ternplate, which will send a ton of rust through the engine until it rusts right through and the hoses were NOT compatible with modern fuel. If you have ANY part of the original fuel system it needs to go now. This included the fill and vent hoses. My fill hose was dissolving from the inside out and sending rubber chunks into the tank. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
Joe, How can I tell if my tank in my 1974 ¾ ton is original? I have seen no rust in my filters (yet). I know my supply line is relatively new but I was already planning on replacing my fill and vent hoses. They look old and not like the new hoses that are made for ethanol. Thanks, Skip From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems One more thing early-mid 1970s CC fuel systems would not be even CLOSE to being safe in 2014. I have not one scrap of the original fuel system left. The tank was ternplate, which will send a ton of rust through the engine until it rusts right through and the hoses were NOT compatible with modern fuel. If you have ANY part of the original fuel system it needs to go now. This included the fill and vent hoses. My fill hose was dissolving from the inside out and sending rubber chunks into the tank. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
If the tank is metal and not bare aluminum, chances are high it is ternplate. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: Burt Stratton [mailto:bstrat...@falconnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:48 PM To: Della Barba, Joe; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: RE: Stus-List A4 engine problems Joe, How can I tell if my tank in my 1974 ¾ ton is original? I have seen no rust in my filters (yet). I know my supply line is relatively new but I was already planning on replacing my fill and vent hoses. They look old and not like the new hoses that are made for ethanol. Thanks, Skip From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems One more thing - early-mid 1970s CC fuel systems would not be even CLOSE to being safe in 2014. I have not one scrap of the original fuel system left. The tank was ternplate, which will send a ton of rust through the engine until it rusts right through and the hoses were NOT compatible with modern fuel. If you have ANY part of the original fuel system it needs to go now. This included the fill and vent hoses. My fill hose was dissolving from the inside out and sending rubber chunks into the tank. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
Monel is the best possible metal to make tanks from. Worth big - if you have a monel tank that is great news! Joe Della Barba Coquina From: Burt Stratton [mailto:bstrat...@falconnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 2:23 PM To: Della Barba, Joe Subject: RE: Stus-List A4 engine problems I think it says Monel on the tag. Is Monel a brand name for ternplate? From: Della Barba, Joe [mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 2:09 PM To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: RE: Stus-List A4 engine problems If the tank is metal and not bare aluminum, chances are high it is ternplate. Joe Della Barba Coquina From: Burt Stratton [mailto:bstrat...@falconnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:48 PM To: Della Barba, Joe; cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: RE: Stus-List A4 engine problems Joe, How can I tell if my tank in my 1974 ¾ ton is original? I have seen no rust in my filters (yet). I know my supply line is relatively new but I was already planning on replacing my fill and vent hoses. They look old and not like the new hoses that are made for ethanol. Thanks, Skip From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems One more thing - early-mid 1970s CC fuel systems would not be even CLOSE to being safe in 2014. I have not one scrap of the original fuel system left. The tank was ternplate, which will send a ton of rust through the engine until it rusts right through and the hoses were NOT compatible with modern fuel. If you have ANY part of the original fuel system it needs to go now. This included the fill and vent hoses. My fill hose was dissolving from the inside out and sending rubber chunks into the tank. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
My original tank is also Moenl. What I do every spring is to remove some of the gas in the bottom ( abour 1 liter ). Sometimes half of it is water sometimes it is only gas. I does remove some sludge evary time ( I use a brass tube with an outboard bulb to extract on a glass jar. Anyway, I have had no fuel issues since I installed a Racor/Parker 10 microns filter. I replace the filter element every 2 years. Sylvain CC27 MkIII From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Burt Stratton bstrat...@falconnect.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems Monel is the best possible metal to make tanks from. Worth big - if you have a monel tank that is great news! Joe Della Barba Coquina From:Burt Stratton [mailto:bstrat...@falconnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 2:23 PM To: Della Barba, Joe Subject: RE: Stus-List A4 engine problems I think it says Monel on the tag. Is Monel a brand name for ternplate? From:Della Barba, Joe [mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 2:09 PM To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: RE: Stus-List A4 engine problems If the tank is metal and not bare aluminum, chances are high it is ternplate. Joe Della Barba Coquina From:Burt Stratton [mailto:bstrat...@falconnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:48 PM To: Della Barba, Joe; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: RE: Stus-List A4 engine problems Joe, How can I tell if my tank in my 1974 ¾ ton is original? I have seen no rust in my filters (yet). I know my supply line is relatively new but I was already planning on replacing my fill and vent hoses. They look old and not like the new hoses that are made for ethanol. Thanks, Skip From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems One more thing – early-mid 1970s CC fuel systems would not be even CLOSE to being safe in 2014. I have not one scrap of the original fuel system left. The tank was ternplate, which will send a ton of rust through the engine until it rusts right through and the hoses were NOT compatible with modern fuel. If you have ANY part of the original fuel system it needs to go now. This included the fill and vent hoses. My fill hose was dissolving from the inside out and sending rubber chunks into the tank. Joe Della Barba Coquina ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
I've replaced the entire fuel system except the tank. I think it's aluminum. I did free it once to lift it up so I could see underneath. No noticeable corrosion. New fill hose, vent, lines, racor and polishing filter. Last year the attendant at a marina I was at accidentally filled the tank with diesel! The marina paid for a waste disposal truck to come down and pump the tank out. Then we put about 10 litres of gasoline in and pumped that out too. I like to think I got a free tank cleaning ... they paid for the fill, dinner, a night at the marina and a LIMO (to take us to dinner). Yeah, they made good on their mistake, and then some. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Robert Wooden via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My 1975 model year CC 27 (built in late 74 based on the HIN of CCY274660974 has the original fuel tank... It is Monel which you probably can't afford even if you could find it. Monel is a wonderful cupronickel alloy, no rust, no fuss. My A4 runs like a champ, and is very stock (standard distributor, standard fuel filter (more of a sediment bulb). The tank is clean and I did rebuild the carb early on. I have been out in heavy weather (tends to stir up any tank sediment or water) and it still starts and runs every time. Anyway, verify the tank material (probably on a plate on the tank) and if it is Monel you have a winner. Bob Wooden ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
Better diesel in your gas tank than the other way around! Not sure my marina would go to those lengths to make good on that. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems I've replaced the entire fuel system except the tank. I think it's aluminum. I did free it once to lift it up so I could see underneath. No noticeable corrosion. New fill hose, vent, lines, racor and polishing filter. Last year the attendant at a marina I was at accidentally filled the tank with diesel! The marina paid for a waste disposal truck to come down and pump the tank out. Then we put about 10 litres of gasoline in and pumped that out too. I like to think I got a free tank cleaning ... they paid for the fill, dinner, a night at the marina and a LIMO (to take us to dinner). Yeah, they made good on their mistake, and then some. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Robert Wooden via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: My 1975 model year CC 27 (built in late 74 based on the HIN of CCY274660974 has the original fuel tank... It is Monel which you probably can't afford even if you could find it. Monel is a wonderful cupronickel alloy, no rust, no fuss. My A4 runs like a champ, and is very stock (standard distributor, standard fuel filter (more of a sediment bulb). The tank is clean and I did rebuild the carb early on. I have been out in heavy weather (tends to stir up any tank sediment or water) and it still starts and runs every time. Anyway, verify the tank material (probably on a plate on the tank) and if it is Monel you have a winner. Bob Wooden ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
Better diesel in your gas tank than the other way around! I have been told that up to 10% gasoline in a large (25 gal) diesel tank would still be OK to use. I picked this up when discussing diesel truck refueling issues. I friend of mine with a fleet of diesel trucks panicked when he looked down and noticed he stuck a gas nozzle into his diesel tank. He paid for a tow and to have the tank drained and cleaned. Afterword’s we discussed the event and he thought he had put in 5 to 10 gal of gas into a 40 gal tank. I recommend you check your engine owner’s manual before paying $$ to pump out a diesel tank with a few gallons of gasoline added. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 2:16 PM To: 'Stevan Plavsa'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems Better diesel in your gas tank than the other way around! Not sure my marina would go to those lengths to make good on that. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems I've replaced the entire fuel system except the tank. I think it's aluminum. I did free it once to lift it up so I could see underneath. No noticeable corrosion. New fill hose, vent, lines, racor and polishing filter. Last year the attendant at a marina I was at accidentally filled the tank with diesel! The marina paid for a waste disposal truck to come down and pump the tank out. Then we put about 10 litres of gasoline in and pumped that out too. I like to think I got a free tank cleaning ... they paid for the fill, dinner, a night at the marina and a LIMO (to take us to dinner). Yeah, they made good on their mistake, and then some. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I used to put 2 gallons of gasoline in my old Mercedes 300D per tank of diesel in the winter. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin DeYoung via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:45 PM To: Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems Better diesel in your gas tank than the other way around! I have been told that up to 10% gasoline in a large (25 gal) diesel tank would still be OK to use. I picked this up when discussing diesel truck refueling issues. I friend of mine with a fleet of diesel trucks panicked when he looked down and noticed he stuck a gas nozzle into his diesel tank. He paid for a tow and to have the tank drained and cleaned. Afterword’s we discussed the event and he thought he had put in 5 to 10 gal of gas into a 40 gal tank. I recommend you check your engine owner’s manual before paying $$ to pump out a diesel tank with a few gallons of gasoline added. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
We still do that (add a little gasoline) to the tank in a 2004 Ford F 350 diesel truck. No problems after 11 years. Best regards, Jack Fitzgerald, HONEY CC 39TM Savannah, GA 31410 USA **PLEASE REMOVE honeys...@aol.com honeys...@aol.com FROM YOUR ADDRESS BOOK AND IMMEDIATELY ADD j...@fitzgeraldforwarding.com j...@fitzgeraldforwarding.com* On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I used to put 2 gallons of gasoline in my old Mercedes 300D per tank of diesel in the winter. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Martin DeYoung via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:45 PM *To:* Burt Stratton; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems Better diesel in your gas tank than the other way around! I have been told that up to 10% gasoline in a large (25 gal) diesel tank would still be OK to use. I picked this up when discussing diesel truck refueling issues. I friend of mine with a fleet of diesel trucks panicked when he looked down and noticed he stuck a gas nozzle into his diesel tank. He paid for a tow and to have the tank drained and cleaned. Afterword’s we discussed the event and he thought he had put in 5 to 10 gal of gas into a 40 gal tank. I recommend you check your engine owner’s manual before paying $$ to pump out a diesel tank with a few gallons of gasoline added. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [image: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
RE: diesel in the gas Maybe some of you remember but when I bought Sea Hawk the survey revealed that the engine (diesel) wouldn't stay running. After the owner hired a mechanic and had the HP pump replaced ($1800) I thought the problem had been licked and departed on the 350mi delivery trip. About 20 min into the trip the engine died AGAIN! Long story short, about 2 months later I finally figured out that I had enough gasoline in a 40 gallon diesel tank that I could run a 2 stroke weed eater off the mix. When poured on a leaf pile it made quite a fire ball. When the engine was cold, it would run fine but when it got warm the gasoline would flash to vapor and lock up the HP pump. It acted like it lost prime. I could keep it running with a priming bulb or by keeping it cool with a garden hose. Changed out the fuel and haven't had a problem since. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 5, 2014 5:45 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Better diesel in your gas tank than the other way around! I have been told that up to 10% gasoline in a large (25 gal) diesel tank would still be OK to use. I picked this up when discussing diesel truck refueling issues. I friend of mine with a fleet of diesel trucks panicked when he looked down and noticed he stuck a gas nozzle into his diesel tank. He paid for a tow and to have the tank drained and cleaned. Afterword's we discussed the event and he thought he had put in 5 to 10 gal of gas into a 40 gal tank. I recommend you check your engine owner's manual before paying $$ to pump out a diesel tank with a few gallons of gasoline added. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle [image: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F] *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Burt Stratton via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 2:16 PM *To:* 'Stevan Plavsa'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems Better diesel in your gas tank than the other way around! Not sure my marina would go to those lengths to make good on that. *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List *Sent:* Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:11 PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems I've replaced the entire fuel system except the tank. I think it's aluminum. I did free it once to lift it up so I could see underneath. No noticeable corrosion. New fill hose, vent, lines, racor and polishing filter. Last year the attendant at a marina I was at accidentally filled the tank with diesel! The marina paid for a waste disposal truck to come down and pump the tank out. Then we put about 10 litres of gasoline in and pumped that out too. I like to think I got a free tank cleaning ... they paid for the fill, dinner, a night at the marina and a LIMO (to take us to dinner). Yeah, they made good on their mistake, and then some. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
In the old days before diesel was winterized it was SOP to add 10% gas to your diesel tank, then fill with diesel (insures mixing). This was done to prevent the diesel from jelling. Michael Cotton S/V M'aisling On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:20 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: RE: diesel in the gas Maybe some of you remember but when I bought Sea Hawk the survey revealed that the engine (diesel) wouldn't stay running. After the owner hired a mechanic and had the HP pump replaced ($1800) I thought the problem had been licked and departed on the 350mi delivery trip. About 20 min into the trip the engine died AGAIN! Long story short, about 2 months later I finally figured out that I had enough gasoline in a 40 gallon diesel tank that I could run a 2 stroke weed eater off the mix. When poured on a leaf pile it made quite a fire ball. When the engine was cold, it would run fine but when it got warm the gasoline would flash to vapor and lock up the HP pump. It acted like it lost prime. I could keep it running with a priming bulb or by keeping it cool with a garden hose. Changed out the fuel and haven't had a problem since. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 5, 2014 5:45 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Better diesel in your gas tank than the other way around! I have been told that up to 10% gasoline in a large (25 gal) diesel tank would still be OK to use. I picked this up when discussing diesel truck refueling issues. I friend of mine with a fleet of diesel trucks panicked when he looked down and noticed he stuck a gas nozzle into his diesel tank. He paid for a tow and to have the tank drained and cleaned. Afterword’s we discussed the event and he thought he had put in 5 to 10 gal of gas into a 40 gal tank. I recommend you check your engine owner’s manual before paying $$ to pump out a diesel tank with a few gallons of gasoline added. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 2:16 PM To: 'Stevan Plavsa'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems Better diesel in your gas tank than the other way around! Not sure my marina would go to those lengths to make good on that. From:CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems I've replaced the entire fuel system except the tank. I think it's aluminum. I did free it once to lift it up so I could see underneath. No noticeable corrosion. New fill hose, vent, lines, racor and polishing filter. Last year the attendant at a marina I was at accidentally filled the tank with diesel! The marina paid for a waste disposal truck to come down and pump the tank out. Then we put about 10 litres of gasoline in and pumped that out too. I like to think I got a free tank cleaning ... they paid for the fill, dinner, a night at the marina and a LIMO (to take us to dinner). Yeah, they made good on their mistake, and then some. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems - now gas in diesel
You run less risk of the vapour lock mentioned earlier by using kerosene instead of gas to help keep the wax in #2 diesel dissolved in the winter. This is an all too frequent problem in colder climates with truckers who head north from the southern states in the winter, who don't bother to stop for winter (#1) diesel along the way. Granted kerosene is not always so easy to find as gasoline, especially in an emergency. Steve Thomas CC MKIII Port Stanley, ON - Original Message - From: Michael Cotton via CnC-List To: Josh Muckley ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:13 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems In the old days before diesel was winterized it was SOP to add 10% gas to your diesel tank, then fill with diesel (insures mixing). This was done to prevent the diesel from jelling. Michael Cotton S/V M'aisling On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:20 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: RE: diesel in the gas Maybe some of you remember but when I bought Sea Hawk the survey revealed that the engine (diesel) wouldn't stay running. After the owner hired a mechanic and had the HP pump replaced ($1800) I thought the problem had been licked and departed on the 350mi delivery trip. About 20 min into the trip the engine died AGAIN! Long story short, about 2 months later I finally figured out that I had enough gasoline in a 40 gallon diesel tank that I could run a 2 stroke weed eater off the mix. When poured on a leaf pile it made quite a fire ball. When the engine was cold, it would run fine but when it got warm the gasoline would flash to vapor and lock up the HP pump. It acted like it lost prime. I could keep it running with a priming bulb or by keeping it cool with a garden hose. Changed out the fuel and haven't had a problem since. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 CC 37+ Solomons, MD On Aug 5, 2014 5:45 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Better diesel in your gas tank than the other way around! I have been told that up to 10% gasoline in a large (25 gal) diesel tank would still be OK to use. I picked this up when discussing diesel truck refueling issues. I friend of mine with a fleet of diesel trucks panicked when he looked down and noticed he stuck a gas nozzle into his diesel tank. He paid for a tow and to have the tank drained and cleaned. Afterword’s we discussed the event and he thought he had put in 5 to 10 gal of gas into a 40 gal tank. I recommend you check your engine owner’s manual before paying $$ to pump out a diesel tank with a few gallons of gasoline added. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Burt Stratton via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 2:16 PM To: 'Stevan Plavsa'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems Better diesel in your gas tank than the other way around! Not sure my marina would go to those lengths to make good on that. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 5:11 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems I've replaced the entire fuel system except the tank. I think it's aluminum. I did free it once to lift it up so I could see underneath. No noticeable corrosion. New fill hose, vent, lines, racor and polishing filter. Last year the attendant at a marina I was at accidentally filled the tank with diesel! The marina paid for a waste disposal truck to come down and pump the tank out. Then we put about 10 litres of gasoline in and pumped that out too. I like to think I got a free tank cleaning ... they paid for the fill, dinner, a night at the marina and a LIMO (to take us to dinner). Yeah, they made good on their mistake, and then some. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems
Michael, When I worked at a gas station in Upper Michigan we used to winterize diesel by adding 10% #1 heating oil to it. It is far less volatile than gasoline. Jake Jake Brodersen “Midnight Mistress” CC 35 Mk-III Hampton VA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael Cotton via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:14 PM To: Josh Muckley; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List A4 engine problems In the old days before diesel was winterized it was SOP to add 10% gas to your diesel tank, then fill with diesel (insures mixing). This was done to prevent the diesel from jelling. Michael Cotton S/V M'aisling On Tuesday, August 5, 2014 4:20 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
