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FYI, The 34+ is the last Rob Ball's design and his fastest, drawn in 1989. The 37+ has more headroom but the 34+ reaches hull speed in less wind. Good luck. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: a burton sailor a.burton.sai...@gmail.com, CNC boat owners, cnc-list cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 9:30:13 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats Okay so, I'm concentrating on the 34plus and the 37plus. I think either of these boats could fit the bill. I just need to get on board them and see how we like them. These are cored hulls, right? This always worries me... should it? -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:28:28 -0400 too much fun doing it on its own bottom to send the boat overland. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: overland? some $5-$6k. Unless you find some special deals. Marek From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:02 PM To: jfriv...@us.ibm.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats Okay, that is Beautiful!! I wonder what it would take to get a boat from there to here? -- Original Message -- From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Upsizing boats Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:38:02 -0500 I second Pierre's suggestion That CC 36XL in Toronto looks really good. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/C%26C-36XL-2527557/toronto/Canada#.U_NvE010zmE As a current owner of a 34+ (Same boat, might have a slightly different rig)It seems it would fit the bill. Points like nobody's business, very comfortable: we spend weekends and short vacations with the whole family (2 kids) and it's roomy enough, separate shower, etc. To paraphrase one of my dock buddies: He says you guys are staying at the Marriott, I'm at the Motel 6.. And fast as heck. We hit 8.4 knots in 13-14 knots true last weekend again and it will pretty much match (True) wind speed on a reach on 3.5 knots or less wind. We raced twice but the race was called both times because of weather. 1) no wind 2) pretty bad thunderstorm. We were top 3-4 on the 1st race (Our 1st ever on our boat) and we were leading the 2nd race by a good margin when we had to call it quits in the storm. Good Luck, Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Upsizing Boats
So, what would be a fair price for a, hasn't been upgraded in over 10 years, 37plus? I'm lining up a couple to look at. DannyLolita1973 Viking 33Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Upsizing Boats Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 06:44:12 -0500 I was worried about the Internet horror stories on cored hulls too before I bought my boat. Then I talked to experts who work on boats for a living.. Here's what they said: 1st the likelihood that you get severe delamination is pretty slim. This spring I had my bottom stripped to the bare gelcoat (A very big job, had never been done) We found no blisters. 2nd: Even if you get blisters, it's actually not that big a deal. In the yard I've seen boats with what looked like pretty bad rashes and no one was phased.. If repaired correctly you end up with a sound hull that's a little heavier. This whole thing's been around for a long time and it's been figured-out. 3rd: In the extreme case where the core gets wet. Many folks elect to just keep on sailing for another decade or 2. A couple things that make the 34+ series boats less worry some for the core: - The Hydrex NPG Gelcoat they used was very resistant to water absorption, oxidation, and blisters. Similar stuff is used on most of the better boats today. As an additional plus it does not chalk-up - CC was selective with the use of coring. For example: It's solid laminate on the bottom area in front of the keel where the transducers are. That section is about a foot wide and 3 long. No worries about special cored hull procedures for installing / replacing transducers. Same thing on the deck: The areas where deck hardware is installed are almost all solid areas. In the stress areas where there might be some hardware the deck is cored with Coromat which does not rot. About the stiffness of the hull. The 34+ was the 1st CAD designed boat at CC, the mast step / keel mount grid area is Epoxy cored with Nomex honeycomb and the rest of the hull is Hybrid Kevlar / glass. Cutting edge stuff for the day. That makes for a stiff and lightweight hull at around 12,500 lbs , the light / stiff hull allows adding more weight on the keel which allows it to handle bigger sails. The sugar scoop tail not only look racy it also elongates the water line. at almost 31 ft it has the same / longer water line as the older 38 -40 foot designs. All that to kick some booty on the water :-) This was the last of the real Canadian CC's. After decades of building fast cored hulls, they had a lot of things figured-out. -Francois 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Danny, Great choice! When you outgrow it in a couple years, let me know. That's my next boat! It all depends on condition. Outdated electronics are one thing. Blown out sails, worn out running rigging (150 foot halyard is not cheap), rod that needs to be re-headed, bottom that needs to be blasted or a tired engine all add another dimension. How motivated is the seller? Has he bought another boat? How long has it been on the market? This is a good time of year to buy. Seller is looking at a winter storage bill if he is up north. It looks like there are 4 within an hour of you. I wonder why one broker is 20k higher than the others. Good luck! Joel On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: So, what would be a fair price for a, hasn't been upgraded in over 10 years, 37plus? I'm lining up a couple to look at. Danny Lolita 1973 Viking 33 Westport Point, MA -- Original Message -- From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Upsizing Boats Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 06:44:12 -0500 I was worried about the Internet horror stories on cored hulls too before I bought my boat. Then I talked to experts who work on boats for a living.. Here's what they said: 1st the likelihood that you get severe delamination is pretty slim. This spring I had my bottom stripped to the bare gelcoat (A very big job, had never been done) We found no blisters. 2nd: Even if you get blisters, it's actually not that big a deal. In the yard I've seen boats with what looked like pretty bad rashes and no one was phased.. If repaired correctly you end up with a sound hull that's a little heavier. This whole thing's been around for a long time and it's been figured-out. 3rd: In the extreme case where the core gets wet. Many folks elect to just keep on sailing for another decade or 2. A couple things that make the 34+ series boats less worry some for the core: - The Hydrex NPG Gelcoat they used was very resistant to water absorption, oxidation, and blisters. Similar stuff is used on most of the better boats today. As an additional plus it does not chalk-up - CC was selective with the use of coring. For example: It's solid laminate on the bottom area in front of the keel where the transducers are. That section is about a foot wide and 3 long. No worries about special cored hull procedures for installing / replacing transducers. Same thing on the deck: The areas where deck hardware is installed are almost all solid areas. In the stress areas where there might be some hardware the deck is cored with Coromat which does not rot. About the stiffness of the hull. The 34+ was the 1st CAD designed boat at CC, the mast step / keel mount grid area is Epoxy cored with Nomex honeycomb and the rest of the hull is Hybrid Kevlar / glass. Cutting edge stuff for the day. That makes for a stiff and lightweight hull at around 12,500 lbs , the light / stiff hull allows adding more weight on the keel which allows it to handle bigger sails. The sugar scoop tail not only look racy it also elongates the water line. at almost 31 ft it has the same / longer water line as the older 38 -40 foot designs. All that to kick some booty on the water :-) This was the last of the real Canadian CC's. After decades of building fast cored hulls, they had a lot of things figured-out. -Francois 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Upsizing Boats - now cored hulls
And just to add some contrarian experience on CC build quality; I have had repaired (at considerable expense) both wet core in the deck (which I knew about from the purchase survey) and wet / rotten core in the hull (which was not highlighted in the survey). I would estimate the hull core replacement to be ~8' long and from keel to waterline on a 35' boat. There was no puncture damage to the laminate, but there was an internal locker that didn't (doesn't) drain and the interior skin laminate on the 35-3 is very thin and seems to be susceptible to water penetration. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I am now on my second boat with a cored hull. In both boats the hull was dry. When purchasing a boat with a cored hull it is extremely important to have a good out of water survey done prior to purchase. The hull is likely dry but if it had been involved in an incident of some sort it could be wet in places and strength somewhat compromised. However typically with a cored hull boat the moisture is usually in the cored deck and the hull is usually dry …. A couple of other interesting and somewhat related points: 1. Everyone always seems to worry about cored hulls when looking at boats. I would be far more worried about things like encapsulated keels than cored hulls. CC did not use that method as far as I know but Aloha and some other Canadian builders did. With an encapsulated keel damage to the keel can lead to water intrusion into the keel and that is very difficult to fix and can become very serious 2. Wet decks. On a cored hull boat the hull is likely dry for several reasons (not many holes drilled in it and solid core usually in those areas) but the deck will likely be cored and is in fact cored on just about every CC I know. I would venture a guess that 90% of all cored deck boats built prior to the 1990s have wet decks in at least some areas. The racier the boat design it seems the more fittings on the deck and therefore more holes and more likelihood of wet decks, rot and delamination. This is easily fixed but a pain nonetheless. Also it should be noted that just because a deck does not feel soft in areas that does not mean it is not wet in areas. Well – there is my little mini rant or boring discussion or whatever for the day. Mike ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Upsizing Boats - now cored hulls
I have a cored hull under the waterline. No problems. The bow, stern, keel area, and every place that could get damaged in a collision are solid glass. The comment about CC knowing how to build cored hulls is true. IMHO, most of the horror stories are really about power boats with cored hulls that delaminate after slamming into chop at high speeds. If you actually get holed amidships under the waterline then the hull composition will be the least of your worries. The comment about encapsulated keels is also right on the money. I used to spend a lot of time hanging out in boat yards, and the repair efforts I've seen border on the absurd. The most interesting was one guy who drilled holes into the keel every 2 inches and spent a month draining it and drying it, then another month packing it with thick epoxy. Then the boat sat there for four months while the guy reconciled with his wife, and the boat was eventually hauled off. That was right up there with the guy with a ferrocement hull who thought he could somehow replace the rusted out steel reinforcement. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I'm not sure how many of our classic CC hulls did not have cored hulls. Someone on the list can probably determine the date when CC started using balsa core, but I'd guess it was on new designs that went into production around 74 or 75. My 38 is balsa core. The 33 is cored. The 37 if I'm not mistaken. And all the boats from the 80's. My 25 - a design from 71 or 72 - has a balsa cored deck and a solid hull. But it is a small boat and any given thickness of glass is going to result in more stiffness than the same layup schedule would give to a 35 foot boat. The 35-12 and 30-1 are also older designs and probably not cored. Data from US SAILING PHRF BOOK and sailboatdata.com show the following: 30-1 8000 lbs. 43% ballast. Range of PHRF ratings 168-186. Lake Ontario PHRF 174 30-2. 8275 lbs. 38% ballast? range of PHRF ratings 144-165. Lake Ontario PHRF 147 35-2. 13850 lbs. (35-1 had 5500 lbs ballast, which would be about 40%) range of PHRF 120-142. Lake Ontario PHRF 132 35-3. 10800 lbs. 42% ballast range of PHRF 114-129. Lake Ontario PHRF 123 It is not impossible to build a non-cored hull that sails well. George George certainly did it. But even newer cored designs from CC do seem to tend to be faster. Recall the discussion about the non-cored Shannon 38 from last week. IIRC the conclusion was heavy and slow. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 20, 2014, at 1:12, Paul Baker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: So which one do all the classic CCs fall into with their solid hulls? ;-) Paul. Orange Crush 27MkII, Sidney, BC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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The 35 MK I is a solid hull and cored deck boat. A cored hull can be a mess to fix, so I would not buy one absent a good survey. I once worked on a foam core Krogen 42 that literally drained water for about 24 hours out of a new hole cut for a thru-hull. YIKES!@!! Joe Della Barba CC 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:42 AM To: Paul Baker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats I'm not sure how many of our classic CC hulls did not have cored hulls. Someone on the list can probably determine the date when CC started using balsa core, but I'd guess it was on new designs that went into production around 74 or 75. My 38 is balsa core. The 33 is cored. The 37 if I'm not mistaken. And all the boats from the 80's. My 25 - a design from 71 or 72 - has a balsa cored deck and a solid hull. But it is a small boat and any given thickness of glass is going to result in more stiffness than the same layup schedule would give to a 35 foot boat. The 35-12 and 30-1 are also older designs and probably not cored. Data from US SAILING PHRF BOOK and sailboatdata.com show the following: 30-1 8000 lbs. 43% ballast. Range of PHRF ratings 168-186. Lake Ontario PHRF 174 30-2. 8275 lbs. 38% ballast? range of PHRF ratings 144-165. Lake Ontario PHRF 147 35-2. 13850 lbs. (35-1 had 5500 lbs ballast, which would be about 40%) range of PHRF 120-142. Lake Ontario PHRF 132 35-3. 10800 lbs. 42% ballast range of PHRF 114-129. Lake Ontario PHRF 123 It is not impossible to build a non-cored hull that sails well. George George certainly did it. But even newer cored designs from CC do seem to tend to be faster. Recall the discussion about the non-cored Shannon 38 from last week. IIRC the conclusion was heavy and slow. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 20, 2014, at 1:12, Paul Baker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: So which one do all the classic CCs fall into with their solid hulls? ;-) Paul. Orange Crush 27MkII, Sidney, BC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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35 MKII, 1974 has no cored hull but balsa cored deck...i believe she sails well and is pretty slippery, even by newer lighter weight cored hull cruiser/racer standards Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: August 20, 2014 11:42 AM To: Paul Baker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats I'm not sure how many of our classic CC hulls did not have cored hulls. Someone on the list can probably determine the date when CC started using balsa core, but I'd guess it was on new designs that went into production around 74 or 75. My 38 is balsa core. The 33 is cored. The 37 if I'm not mistaken. And all the boats from the 80's. My 25 - a design from 71 or 72 - has a balsa cored deck and a solid hull. But it is a small boat and any given thickness of glass is going to result in more stiffness than the same layup schedule would give to a 35 foot boat. The 35-12 and 30-1 are also older designs and probably not cored. Data from US SAILING PHRF BOOK and sailboatdata.com show the following: 30-1 8000 lbs. 43% ballast. Range of PHRF ratings 168-186. Lake Ontario PHRF 174 30-2. 8275 lbs. 38% ballast? range of PHRF ratings 144-165. Lake Ontario PHRF 147 35-2. 13850 lbs. (35-1 had 5500 lbs ballast, which would be about 40%) range of PHRF 120-142. Lake Ontario PHRF 132 35-3. 10800 lbs. 42% ballast range of PHRF 114-129. Lake Ontario PHRF 123 It is not impossible to build a non-cored hull that sails well. George George certainly did it. But even newer cored designs from CC do seem to tend to be faster. Recall the discussion about the non-cored Shannon 38 from last week. IIRC the conclusion was heavy and slow. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 20, 2014, at 1:12, Paul Baker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: So which one do all the classic CCs fall into with their solid hulls? ;-) Paul. Orange Crush 27MkII, Sidney, BC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8059 - Release Date: 08/18/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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My 1980 32 is solid hull, no core. Balsa in the deck of course. If there's any core it's in the bow above the water line, but mine is an earlier 32 and I doubt it's even cored there. The later ones I hear are cored in the bow, above the waterline. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: The 35 MK I is a solid hull and cored deck boat. A cored hull can be a mess to fix, so I would not buy one absent a good survey. I once worked on a foam core Krogen 42 that literally drained water for about 24 hours out of a new hole cut for a thru-hull. YIKES!@!! Joe Della Barba CC 35 MK I -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:42 AM To: Paul Baker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats I'm not sure how many of our classic CC hulls did not have cored hulls. Someone on the list can probably determine the date when CC started using balsa core, but I'd guess it was on new designs that went into production around 74 or 75. My 38 is balsa core. The 33 is cored. The 37 if I'm not mistaken. And all the boats from the 80's. My 25 - a design from 71 or 72 - has a balsa cored deck and a solid hull. But it is a small boat and any given thickness of glass is going to result in more stiffness than the same layup schedule would give to a 35 foot boat. The 35-12 and 30-1 are also older designs and probably not cored. Data from US SAILING PHRF BOOK and sailboatdata.com show the following: 30-1 8000 lbs. 43% ballast. Range of PHRF ratings 168-186. Lake Ontario PHRF 174 30-2. 8275 lbs. 38% ballast? range of PHRF ratings 144-165. Lake Ontario PHRF 147 35-2. 13850 lbs. (35-1 had 5500 lbs ballast, which would be about 40%) range of PHRF 120-142. Lake Ontario PHRF 132 35-3. 10800 lbs. 42% ballast range of PHRF 114-129. Lake Ontario PHRF 123 It is not impossible to build a non-cored hull that sails well. George George certainly did it. But even newer cored designs from CC do seem to tend to be faster. Recall the discussion about the non-cored Shannon 38 from last week. IIRC the conclusion was heavy and slow. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 20, 2014, at 1:12, Paul Baker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: So which one do all the classic CCs fall into with their solid hulls? ;-) Paul. Orange Crush 27MkII, Sidney, BC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Upsizing Boats - now cored hulls
A gentleman I work with has a CC 43 custom (early 80s design) with a cored hull. He paid over 10k to have delimitation fixed. Not sure how the water got in, but it did. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: And just to add some contrarian experience on CC build quality; I have had repaired (at considerable expense) both wet core in the deck (which I knew about from the purchase survey) and wet / rotten core in the hull (which was not highlighted in the survey). I would estimate the hull core replacement to be ~8' long and from keel to waterline on a 35' boat. There was no puncture damage to the laminate, but there was an internal locker that didn't (doesn't) drain and the interior skin laminate on the 35-3 is very thin and seems to be susceptible to water penetration. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I am now on my second boat with a cored hull. In both boats the hull was dry. When purchasing a boat with a cored hull it is extremely important to have a good out of water survey done prior to purchase. The hull is likely dry but if it had been involved in an incident of some sort it could be wet in places and strength somewhat compromised. However typically with a cored hull boat the moisture is usually in the cored deck and the hull is usually dry …. A couple of other interesting and somewhat related points: 1. Everyone always seems to worry about cored hulls when looking at boats. I would be far more worried about things like encapsulated keels than cored hulls. CC did not use that method as far as I know but Aloha and some other Canadian builders did. With an encapsulated keel damage to the keel can lead to water intrusion into the keel and that is very difficult to fix and can become very serious 2. Wet decks. On a cored hull boat the hull is likely dry for several reasons (not many holes drilled in it and solid core usually in those areas) but the deck will likely be cored and is in fact cored on just about every CC I know. I would venture a guess that 90% of all cored deck boats built prior to the 1990s have wet decks in at least some areas. The racier the boat design it seems the more fittings on the deck and therefore more holes and more likelihood of wet decks, rot and delamination. This is easily fixed but a pain nonetheless. Also it should be noted that just because a deck does not feel soft in areas that does not mean it is not wet in areas. Well – there is my little mini rant or boring discussion or whatever for the day. Mike ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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The recent singlehanded LO300 and LO600 results can attest to the slipperyness of the 35 MKII. I really like that boat. Steve Suhana, CC 32 Toronto On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:24 AM, dwight via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: 35 MKII, 1974 has no cored hull but balsa cored deck...i believe she sails well and is pretty slippery, even by newer lighter weight cored hull cruiser/racer standards Dwight Veinot CC 35MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: August 20, 2014 11:42 AM To: Paul Baker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats I'm not sure how many of our classic CC hulls did not have cored hulls. Someone on the list can probably determine the date when CC started using balsa core, but I'd guess it was on new designs that went into production around 74 or 75. My 38 is balsa core. The 33 is cored. The 37 if I'm not mistaken. And all the boats from the 80's. My 25 - a design from 71 or 72 - has a balsa cored deck and a solid hull. But it is a small boat and any given thickness of glass is going to result in more stiffness than the same layup schedule would give to a 35 foot boat. The 35-12 and 30-1 are also older designs and probably not cored. Data from US SAILING PHRF BOOK and sailboatdata.com show the following: 30-1 8000 lbs. 43% ballast. Range of PHRF ratings 168-186. Lake Ontario PHRF 174 30-2. 8275 lbs. 38% ballast? range of PHRF ratings 144-165. Lake Ontario PHRF 147 35-2. 13850 lbs. (35-1 had 5500 lbs ballast, which would be about 40%) range of PHRF 120-142. Lake Ontario PHRF 132 35-3. 10800 lbs. 42% ballast range of PHRF 114-129. Lake Ontario PHRF 123 It is not impossible to build a non-cored hull that sails well. George George certainly did it. But even newer cored designs from CC do seem to tend to be faster. Recall the discussion about the non-cored Shannon 38 from last week. IIRC the conclusion was heavy and slow. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 20, 2014, at 1:12, Paul Baker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: So which one do all the classic CCs fall into with their solid hulls? ;-) Paul. Orange Crush 27MkII, Sidney, BC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 4007/8059 - Release Date: 08/18/14 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Someone on the list can probably determine the date when CC started using balsa core, but I'd guess it was on new designs that went into production around 74 or 75. IIRC CC designed balsa cored boats as early as 1968. Calypso was designed in 1969/70 and built in 1970. The deck is typical of a 70's era balsa cored structure with a thicker skin on top and thinner skin inside and solid glass under winches and some other high stress deck hardware. There was a ring of plywood around the mast collar. The hull has a very thick outer skin with a layer of balsa added inside with a thinner cover. The hull is solid (no core) in the areas where bulkheads are attached, within 4 of the hull to deck joint, and approx. 2 feet either side of the bottom center line. The glass lay-up near the center line is in excess of 1 thick. I have found no water ingress in the balsa added to the inside of the hull. All of the balsa core failure (mostly rot, very little delam) occurred around hardware or ports/hatches that had been installed without sealing the exposed balsa. Steve mentioned a 43 owner that spent $10K on core repair. I expect it had similar issues of water leaks near mounting holes. As we (the co-owners of Calypso) are in the middle of a DIY deck restoration that started last December I would have gladly written a $10K check for someone else to do this job. My SWAG is, at Seattle boat yard prices, Calypso's deck repairs and upgrades would cost $50K, maybe more. As someone already posted, keep up on the deck hardware maintenance, seal the balsa when doing that maintenance and enjoy the benefit of a lighter, stiffer deck/hull. Martin Calypso 1971 CC 43 Seattle -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:42 AM To: Paul Baker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats I'm not sure how many of our classic CC hulls did not have cored hulls. Someone on the list can probably determine the date when CC started using balsa core, but I'd guess it was on new designs that went into production around 74 or 75. My 38 is balsa core. The 33 is cored. The 37 if I'm not mistaken. And all the boats from the 80's. My 25 - a design from 71 or 72 - has a balsa cored deck and a solid hull. But it is a small boat and any given thickness of glass is going to result in more stiffness than the same layup schedule would give to a 35 foot boat. The 35-12 and 30-1 are also older designs and probably not cored. Data from US SAILING PHRF BOOK and sailboatdata.com show the following: 30-1 8000 lbs. 43% ballast. Range of PHRF ratings 168-186. Lake Ontario PHRF 174 30-2. 8275 lbs. 38% ballast? range of PHRF ratings 144-165. Lake Ontario PHRF 147 35-2. 13850 lbs. (35-1 had 5500 lbs ballast, which would be about 40%) range of PHRF 120-142. Lake Ontario PHRF 132 35-3. 10800 lbs. 42% ballast range of PHRF 114-129. Lake Ontario PHRF 123 It is not impossible to build a non-cored hull that sails well. George George certainly did it. But even newer cored designs from CC do seem to tend to be faster. Recall the discussion about the non-cored Shannon 38 from last week. IIRC the conclusion was heavy and slow. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 20, 2014, at 1:12, Paul Baker via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: So which one do all the classic CCs fall into with their solid hulls? ;-) Paul. Orange Crush 27MkII, Sidney, BC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Okay, that is Beautiful!! I wonder what it would take to get a boat from there to here? -- Original Message -- From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Upsizing boats Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:38:02 -0500 I second Pierre's suggestion That CC 36XL in Toronto looks really good. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/C%26C-36XL-2527557/toronto/Canada#.U_NvE010zmE As a current owner of a 34+ (Same boat, might have a slightly different rig)It seems it would fit the bill. Points like nobody's business, very comfortable: we spend weekends and short vacations with the whole family (2 kids) and it's roomy enough, separate shower, etc. To paraphrase one of my dock buddies: He says you guys are staying at the Marriott, I'm at the Motel 6.. And fast as heck. We hit 8.4 knots in 13-14 knots true last weekend again and it will pretty much match (True) wind speed on a reach on 3.5 knots or less wind. We raced twice but the race was called both times because of weather. 1) no wind 2) pretty bad thunderstorm. We were top 3-4 on the 1st race (Our 1st ever on our boat) and we were leading the 2nd race by a good margin when we had to call it quits in the storm. Good Luck, Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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overland? some $5-$6k. Unless you find some special deals. Marek From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:02 PM To: jfriv...@us.ibm.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats Okay, that is Beautiful!! I wonder what it would take to get a boat from there to here? -- Original Message -- From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Upsizing boats Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:38:02 -0500 I second Pierre's suggestion That CC 36XL in Toronto looks really good. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/C%26C-36XL-2527557/toronto/Canada#.U_NvE010zmE As a current owner of a 34+ (Same boat, might have a slightly different rig)It seems it would fit the bill. Points like nobody's business, very comfortable: we spend weekends and short vacations with the whole family (2 kids) and it's roomy enough, separate shower, etc. To paraphrase one of my dock buddies: He says you guys are staying at the Marriott, I'm at the Motel 6.. And fast as heck. We hit 8.4 knots in 13-14 knots true last weekend again and it will pretty much match (True) wind speed on a reach on 3.5 knots or less wind. We raced twice but the race was called both times because of weather. 1) no wind 2) pretty bad thunderstorm. We were top 3-4 on the 1st race (Our 1st ever on our boat) and we were leading the 2nd race by a good margin when we had to call it quits in the storm. Good Luck, Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Or - For just a little more you can go with the next generation… http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1999/C%26C-110-2733617/Vermilion/OH/United-States#.U_OEuUuRPwI On Aug 19, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Okay, that is Beautiful!! I wonder what it would take to get a boat from there to here? -- Original Message -- From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Upsizing boats Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:38:02 -0500 I second Pierre's suggestion That CC 36XL in Toronto looks really good. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/C%26C-36XL-2527557/toronto/Canada#.U_NvE010zmE As a current owner of a 34+ (Same boat, might have a slightly different rig)It seems it would fit the bill. Points like nobody's business, very comfortable: we spend weekends and short vacations with the whole family (2 kids) and it's roomy enough, separate shower, etc. To paraphrase one of my dock buddies: He says you guys are staying at the Marriott, I'm at the Motel 6.. And fast as heck. We hit 8.4 knots in 13-14 knots true last weekend again and it will pretty much match (True) wind speed on a reach on 3.5 knots or less wind. We raced twice but the race was called both times because of weather. 1) no wind 2) pretty bad thunderstorm. We were top 3-4 on the 1st race (Our 1st ever on our boat) and we were leading the 2nd race by a good margin when we had to call it quits in the storm. Good Luck, Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Danny it wouldn't take much to get the boat here. I've just done that trip a couple of times. I can help you out with logistics if you jump (but it'll mean coming to Newport and getting together for a beer). And the trip is easy and beautiful. Don't be put off by that. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Okay, that is Beautiful!! I wonder what it would take to get a boat from there to here? -- Original Message -- From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Upsizing boats Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:38:02 -0500 I second Pierre's suggestion That CC 36XL in Toronto looks really good. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/C%26C-36XL-2527557/toronto/Canada#.U_NvE010zmE As a current owner of a 34+ (Same boat, might have a slightly different rig)It seems it would fit the bill. Points like nobody's business, very comfortable: we spend weekends and short vacations with the whole family (2 kids) and it's roomy enough, separate shower, etc. To paraphrase one of my dock buddies: He says you guys are staying at the Marriott, I'm at the Motel 6.. And fast as heck. We hit 8.4 knots in 13-14 knots true last weekend again and it will pretty much match (True) wind speed on a reach on 3.5 knots or less wind. We raced twice but the race was called both times because of weather. 1) no wind 2) pretty bad thunderstorm. We were top 3-4 on the 1st race (Our 1st ever on our boat) and we were leading the 2nd race by a good margin when we had to call it quits in the storm. Good Luck, Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I saw this boat on line and I love it...I would even keep the name! I saw that it was in Ohio and stopped looking but, I may be changing my mind on that... Here is a bigger boat that looks pretty sharp! http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/C%26C-121-2738099/Salem/MA/United-States#.U_OGEPldXi0 -- Original Message -- From: John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:10:20 -0400 Or - For just a little more you can go with the next generation#65533; http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1999/C%26C-110-2733617/Vermilion/OH/United-States#.U_OEuUuRPwI On Aug 19, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:Okay, that is Beautiful!! I wonder what it would take to get a boat from there to here? -- Original Message -- From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Upsizing boats Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:38:02 -0500 I second Pierre's suggestion That CC 36XL in Toronto looks really good. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/C%26C-36XL-2527557/toronto/Canada#.U_NvE010zmE As a current owner of a 34+ (Same boat, might have a slightly different rig)It seems it would fit the bill. Points like nobody's business, very comfortable: we spend weekends and short vacations with the whole family (2 kids) and it's roomy enough, separate shower, etc. To paraphrase one of my dock buddies: He says you guys are staying at the Marriott, I'm at the Motel 6.. And fast as heck. We hit 8.4 knots in 13-14 knots true last weekend again and it will pretty much match (True) wind speed on a reach on 3.5 knots or less wind. We raced twice but the race was called both times because of weather. 1) no wind 2) pretty bad thunderstorm. We were top 3-4 on the 1st race (Our 1st ever on our boat) and we were leading the 2nd race by a good margin when we had to call it quits in the storm. Good Luck, Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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I spent a week in Baddeck, Nova Scotia sailing on our friends CC99 “Prospector”. It has the cut out transom and in the past we have swam off it very easily. I am 6’ 1” and I can stand anywhere in the boat. On top of that is a very nice sailing boat. If you want bigger the 115 is also great for standing headroom and cut out transom but is a whole lot more boat and more money. Our current Frers 33 states 6’3” headroom but is more like 6’0” after the headliner. I can stand and my head touches most places but is not uncomfortable. Also has the reverse transom and the huge swim ladder to climb the transom. Also we have the bridge deck with the silly location of a forward mounted traveler – not sure why anyone would want it anywhere but just forward of the Binnacle but there it lies. Makes for the long climb down to the cabin. Previous owner went to a Sabre 382 just to get the cut out transom and aft cabin. There is a CC99 in Ontario going for a ridiculous low price (around 55K). Not sure what is wrong with it but suspect would want some love. The 99 is a great boat. Mike From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny Haughey via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 2:25 PM To: j...@svpaws.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats I saw this boat on line and I love it...I would even keep the name! I saw that it was in Ohio and stopped looking but, I may be changing my mind on that... Here is a bigger boat that looks pretty sharp! http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2003/C%26C-121-2738099/Salem/MA/United-States#.U_OGEPldXi0 -- Original Message -- From: John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:10:20 -0400 Or - For just a little more you can go with the next generation� http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1999/C%26C-110-2733617/Vermilion/OH/United-States#.U_OEuUuRPwI On Aug 19, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Okay, that is Beautiful!! I wonder what it would take to get a boat from there to here? -- Original Message -- From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Upsizing boats Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:38:02 -0500 I second Pierre's suggestion That CC 36XL in Toronto looks really good. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/C%26C-36XL-2527557/toronto/Canada#.U_NvE010zmE As a current owner of a 34+ (Same boat, might have a slightly different rig)It seems it would fit the bill. Points like nobody's business, very comfortable: we spend weekends and short vacations with the whole family (2 kids) and it's roomy enough, separate shower, etc. To paraphrase one of my dock buddies: He says you guys are staying at the Marriott, I'm at the Motel 6.. And fast as heck. We hit 8.4 knots in 13-14 knots true last weekend again and it will pretty much match (True) wind speed on a reach on 3.5 knots or less wind. We raced twice but the race was called both times because of weather. 1) no wind 2) pretty bad thunderstorm. We were top 3-4 on the 1st race (Our 1st ever on our boat) and we were leading the 2nd race by a good margin when we had to call it quits in the storm. Good Luck, Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Fred, I thought the cushions looked fairly new, but you are right about updating the electronics. The boat looked like the owners had spent money on her before they brought her down from DC area about three years ago. Seemed like nice folks when they joined the country club about three years ago. I think I was told they have relocated out of the area, hence the reduced price. You are right about my being interested in offshore passages and deliveries. I recently got my USCG License, but all I qualified for was a near coastal six-pack and a 25 ton inshore master. So I want to get more offshore time, and more time on bigger boats so I can go for an upgrade to the Master's ticket. The time I get on a 72 ft schooner and an 81 ft tour boat help with the tonnage, but unfortunately both boats operate inside the Colregs line. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2014, at 13:08, Frederick G Street via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Danny — +1 on Rick Brass’ suggestion of the Landfall 38. But I’m kinda biased… :^) And I can speak from experience that they’ll sail nearly as well as a straight 38. The one Rick gave the link to would need new cushions, and definitely new electronics (I know where you can get those…), but otherwise looks to be in pretty good shape, particularly for the money. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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too much fun doing it on its own bottom to send the boat overland. Andy CC 40 Peregrine On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: overland? some $5-$6k. Unless you find some special deals. Marek *From:* Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:02 PM *To:* jfriv...@us.ibm.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats Okay, that is Beautiful!! I wonder what it would take to get a boat from there to here? -- Original Message -- From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Upsizing boats Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:38:02 -0500 I second Pierre's suggestion That CC 36XL in Toronto looks really good. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/C%26C-36XL-2527557/toronto/Canada#.U_NvE010zmE As a current owner of a 34+ (Same boat, might have a slightly different rig)It seems it would fit the bill. Points like nobody's business, very comfortable: we spend weekends and short vacations with the whole family (2 kids) and it's roomy enough, separate shower, etc. To paraphrase one of my dock buddies: He says you guys are staying at the Marriott, I'm at the Motel 6.. And fast as heck. We hit 8.4 knots in 13-14 knots true last weekend again and it will pretty much match (True) wind speed on a reach on 3.5 knots or less wind. We raced twice but the race was called both times because of weather. 1) no wind 2) pretty bad thunderstorm. We were top 3-4 on the 1st race (Our 1st ever on our boat) and we were leading the 2nd race by a good margin when we had to call it quits in the storm. Good Luck, Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Okay so, I'm concentrating on the 34plus and the 37plus. I think either of these boats could fit the bill. I just need to get on board them and see how we like them. These are cored hulls, right? This always worries me... should it? -- Original Message -- From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: Marek Dziedzic dziedzi...@hotmail.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:28:28 -0400 too much fun doing it on its own bottom to send the boat overland. AndyCC 40Peregrine On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: overland? some $5-$6k. Unless you find some special deals. Marek From: Danny Haughey via CnC-ListSent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:02 PMTo: jfriv...@us.ibm.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List Upsizing boats Okay, that is Beautiful!! I wonder what it would take to get a boat from there to here? -- Original Message -- From: Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Upsizing boats Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 11:38:02 -0500 I second Pierre's suggestion That CC 36XL in Toronto looks really good. http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1996/C%26C-36XL-2527557/toronto/Canada#.U_NvE010zmE As a current owner of a 34+ (Same boat, might have a slightly different rig)It seems it would fit the bill. Points like nobody's business, very comfortable: we spend weekends and short vacations with the whole family (2 kids) and it's roomy enough, separate shower, etc. To paraphrase one of my dock buddies: He says you guys are staying at the Marriott, I'm at the Motel 6.. And fast as heck. We hit 8.4 knots in 13-14 knots true last weekend again and it will pretty much match (True) wind speed on a reach on 3.5 knots or less wind. We raced twice but the race was called both times because of weather. 1) no wind 2) pretty bad thunderstorm. We were top 3-4 on the 1st race (Our 1st ever on our boat) and we were leading the 2nd race by a good margin when we had to call it quits in the storm. Good Luck, Francois Rivard 1990 34+ Take Five Lake Lanier, Georgia ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Not really, IMHO. Just about any modern sailboat (or performance oriented power boat of any size) is going to have a cored hull. And any sailboat without a cored hull is likely to fall into one of two categories: heavy as crap and slow, or light and really bendy. I hear a lot today about cored hulls. Ten years ago the worry was blisters, and the horror stories were about bottom peals and drying out the laminate. I imagine you've had about the same number of blisters I've had on my two boats during thirty one years - zip. Wait, make that three boats and a total of 35 years of ownership, my Newport was a CC design. It is a result of high build quality and good design. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2014, at 21:30, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Okay so, I'm concentrating on the 34plus and the 37plus. I think either of these boats could fit the bill. I just need to get on board them and see how we like them. These are cored hulls, right? This always worries me... should it? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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Nothing wrong with a cored hull - significantly lighter and stronger than a solid hull. Each core material has advantages disadvantages. The common theme to all is the potential for de-lamination. Balsa is probably still the best in terms of strength but it has a nasty habit of rotting should it get wet - pretty quickly. Foam cores avoid this issue but inevitably moisture in the foam also leads to delamination. Its a slower and somewhat more forgiving process but the end result is the same if not maintained. End of the day - maintenance and vigilance. Yes, you can buy a solid Beneteau etal or most any older cruising boat and never worry about the core. Then onto to blisters which is really the same issue - delamination. BTW- you’re looking at the right boats given your criteria - imho. John On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:38 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Not really, IMHO. Just about any modern sailboat (or performance oriented power boat of any size) is going to have a cored hull. And any sailboat without a cored hull is likely to fall into one of two categories: heavy as crap and slow, or light and really bendy. I hear a lot today about cored hulls. Ten years ago the worry was blisters, and the horror stories were about bottom peals and drying out the laminate. I imagine you've had about the same number of blisters I've had on my two boats during thirty one years - zip. Wait, make that three boats and a total of 35 years of ownership, my Newport was a CC design. It is a result of high build quality and good design. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2014, at 21:30, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Okay so, I'm concentrating on the 34plus and the 37plus. I think either of these boats could fit the bill. I just need to get on board them and see how we like them. These are cored hulls, right? This always worries me... should it? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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So which one do all the classic CCs fall into with their solid hulls? ;-) Paul. Orange Crush 27MkII, Sidney, BC On 14-08-19 07:38 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote: Not really, IMHO. Just about any modern sailboat (or performance oriented power boat of any size) is going to have a cored hull. And any sailboat without a cored hull is likely to fall into one of two categories: heavy as crap and slow, or light and really bendy. I hear a lot today about cored hulls. Ten years ago the worry was blisters, and the horror stories were about bottom peals and drying out the laminate. I imagine you've had about the same number of blisters I've had on my two boats during thirty one years - zip. Wait, make that three boats and a total of 35 years of ownership, my Newport was a CC design. It is a result of high build quality and good design. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Aug 19, 2014, at 21:30, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Okay so, I'm concentrating on the 34plus and the 37plus. I think either of these boats could fit the bill. I just need to get on board them and see how we like them. These are cored hulls, right? This always worries me... should it? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
