Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Jeremy Ralph via CnC-List]

 On my C I have height restrictions under the quarter berth.  I was
able to go with a group 24 for the start plus 2 X 6V group 27 electric
vehicle batteries for the house bank.

Haze makes a 6V 200Ah AGM group 27 sized battery.  So far, two years after
installing, I'm happy with these.

Think they are the HZB-EV6-200-2 listed here:
http://www.hazebattery.com/EVAGM/default.htm

Cheers,
Jeremy

I have been following this thread with interest because I suspect my AGM?s
have been mistreated and may need replacement.  What modifications to the
setup are needed if the 6V fit in the battery compartment?  I presumed you
would just wire the double 6V in series and everything else would be the
same? Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT
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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

The golf cart batteries have more space above the plates, so the effect of 
healing is less critical than in most “normal” wet cell batteries. It is still 
there, but you have a bit more room for error.

Marek

From: Dreuge via CnC-List
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

There is a 4th issue too for wet cell batteries.

While AGMs and Gels have more options for orienting the batteries in your box, 
wet cell battery orientation matters in sailboats.  One should orient the 
batteries artwartship (i.e. the long end of the battery turned beam to beam) as 
apposed to parallel to the boats centerline.  You will kill your batteries much 
sooner while healing if your wet cell batteries are along the centerline.  This 
is because the wet cells that make up the battery are longer along the battery 
width and short along the battery length, so a heeled battery has more exposed 
lead plates if its along the centerline. It's like running your batteries low 
on water.


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

5th issue - your sore back.

Individual 70 pound or so GC2s are WAY easier to move around than a 4D or 8D
battery that weighs as much as both of them combined or pretty close. I used
to pick up 130 pound batteries and carry them around. Now.I would rather
not!

Along those lines, 3 group 24s fit sideways in an 8D battery box and have
about same AH overall.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

 


The 4th issue might not be applicable for most of us.

>From the Trojan FAC section:
3. How far can I tilt my batteries?
For flooded batteries, 22 degrees from vertical is the maximum recommended
tilt. AGM and Gel batteries can be operated vertically or horizontally. 

I rarely sail at over 22 degrees heel. 
A C is losing ground at 25 degrees heel, according to "Pointing &
Weatherhelm" in the Tuning Tips section of the cncphotoalbum website.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 09:37 AM 4/6/2018, you wrote:



There is a 4th issue too for wet cell batteries.  

While AGMs and Gels have more options for orienting the batteries in your
box, wet cell battery orientation matters in sailboats.  One should orient
the batteries artwartship (i.e. the long end of the battery turned beam to
beam) as apposed to parallel to the boats centerline.  You will kill your
batteries much sooner while healing if your wet cell batteries are along the
centerline.  This is because the wet cells that make up the battery are
longer along the battery width and short along the battery length, so a
heeled battery has more exposed lead plates if its along the centerline.
It's like running your batteries low on water.


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

The 4th issue might not be applicable for most of us.

From the Trojan FAC section:
3. How far can I tilt my batteries?
For flooded batteries, 22 degrees from vertical is the maximum 
recommended tilt. AGM and Gel batteries can be operated vertically or 
horizontally.


I rarely sail at over 22 degrees heel.
A C is losing ground at 25 degrees heel, according to "Pointing & 
Weatherhelm" in the Tuning Tips section of the cncphotoalbum website.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 09:37 AM 4/6/2018, you wrote:

There is a 4th issue too for wet cell batteries.

While AGMs and Gels have more options for orienting the batteries in 
your box, wet cell battery orientation matters in sailboats.  One 
should orient the batteries artwartship (i.e. the long end of the 
battery turned beam to beam) as apposed to parallel to the boats 
centerline.  You will kill your batteries much sooner while healing 
if your wet cell batteries are along the centerline.  This is 
because the wet cells that make up the battery are longer along the 
battery width and short along the battery length, so a heeled 
battery has more exposed lead plates if its along the centerline. 
It's like running your batteries low on water.



-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/



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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

There is a 4th issue too for wet cell batteries.  

While AGMs and Gels have more options for orienting the batteries in your box, 
wet cell battery orientation matters in sailboats.  One should orient the 
batteries artwartship (i.e. the long end of the battery turned beam to beam) as 
apposed to parallel to the boats centerline.  You will kill your batteries much 
sooner while healing if your wet cell batteries are along the centerline.  This 
is because the wet cells that make up the battery are longer along the battery 
width and short along the battery length, so a heeled battery has more exposed 
lead plates if its along the centerline. It's like running your batteries low 
on water.


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Apr 6, 2018, at 11:58 AM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 15:57:46 +
> From: "Della Barba, Joe" <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov 
> <mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>>
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> You have 3 issues. One is physical space. They are wet cells, so they need to 
> fit into battery containers and those containers need to fit into the boat. 
> The second is electrical. They take different charging voltages than the AGMs 
> or gels they might be replacing and they need equalizing every so often, so 
> your charging setup must be able to accommodate that. Trojan has some pretty 
> good docs here 
> (http://www.trojanbattery.com/tech-support/battery-maintenance/ 
> <http://www.trojanbattery.com/tech-support/battery-maintenance/>) Bulk 
> voltage for them and I would assume most other golf cart types is 14.8 volts. 
> This is a lot higher than gel or AGM require. They float at 13.5, which is 
> lower than usual. Equalize is 16.2 volts. The third issue is self-discharge. 
> Unlike gel/agm that have very low self discharge, wet cells can lose up to 
> 10% per month. If you are on a mooring or otherwise have no shorepower, you 
> will really need a solar panel to keep them topped up.
> 
> Joe
> Coquina
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of David Knecht via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 10:44 AM
> To: CnC CnC discussion list
> Cc: David Knecht
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)
> 
> I have been following this thread with interest because I suspect my AGM?s 
> have been mistreated and may need replacement.  What modifications to the 
> setup are needed if the 6V fit in the battery compartment?  I presumed you 
> would just wire the double 6V in series and everything else would be the 
> same? Dave
> 
> Aries
> 1990 C 34+
> New London, CT

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Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries GOLF CART

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

You have 3 issues. One is physical space. They are wet cells, so they need to 
fit into battery containers and those containers need to fit into the boat. The 
second is electrical. They take different charging voltages than the AGMs or 
gels they might be replacing and they need equalizing every so often, so your 
charging setup must be able to accommodate that. Trojan has some pretty good 
docs here (http://www.trojanbattery.com/tech-support/battery-maintenance/) Bulk 
voltage for them and I would assume most other golf cart types is 14.8 volts. 
This is a lot higher than gel or AGM require. They float at 13.5, which is 
lower than usual. Equalize is 16.2 volts. The third issue is self-discharge. 
Unlike gel/agm that have very low self discharge, wet cells can lose up to 10% 
per month. If you are on a mooring or otherwise have no shorepower, you will 
really need a solar panel to keep them topped up.

Joe
Coquina

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Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 10:44 AM
To: CnC CnC discussion list
Cc: David Knecht
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Marine Batteries (Dreuge)

I have been following this thread with interest because I suspect my AGM’s have 
been mistreated and may need replacement.  What modifications to the setup are 
needed if the 6V fit in the battery compartment?  I presumed you would just 
wire the double 6V in series and everything else would be the same? Dave

Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT

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