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[Robert Mazza via CnC-List]

Just as a final point of clarification, I just emailed Barry Carroll who
tells me that no 44s were built in Rhode Island. Just Landfalls, including
the Landfall 48. Barry ran that plant before establishing his own Carroll
Marine.

Rob

On Thu., Jul. 7, 2022, 6:33 a.m. Dan via CnC-List, 
wrote:

> Thanks Don,
> For some reason the broker told me not to do that now as he has to do that
> anyway when he sells the boat, however if doing this now will prove the
> boat was built in the US it will save me some money on import fees when I
> go to sell.
>
> Thanks again,
> Dan Cormier
> C Breakaweigh
> Halifax NS / GCS Florida
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 2:06 AM Donald Kern via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Dan,
>>
>> Since your boat was once registered in the US as *Rainbow *with a USCG
>> registration number of 1024202 on Dec 1994 and a HIN of ZCC44001H586 you
>> could request an "Abstract of a Title" which should provide record of all
>> the information submitted to the USCG including the chain of ownership and
>> whether the boat was subject to the "Jones Act" ie; built in Canada.
>>
>> The USCG form (application fee $25.00 USD) can be found at:
>>
>>
>> https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Our-Organization/Deputy-for-Operations-Policy-and-Capabilities-DCO-D/National-Vessel-Documentation-Center/
>>
>> Since the the USCG documentation expired Dec. 2001, it may take some time
>> before you get an answer.
>>
>> When I received the "Abstract of a Title" for my boat, the very first
>> line was "This vessel was built at ..."
>> Don Kern
>> *Fireball,* C Mk2
>> Bristol, RI
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fireball*, C Mk-2
>>
>> On 7/6/2022 10:48 PM, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> In February 1976, the initial models built at Rhode Island were the 24,
>> 26 and 29
>>
>> Page 30, The Pursuit of Excellence
>>
>> The Landfall 42 was project 76-1 so it wouldn’t be built till mid or late
>> 76 with the Landfall 38 ( 78-13 ) being added in late 78 , early 79
>>
>> Now what I’ve wondered is how much the “Jones Act” influenced the
>> decision to build Landfalls in the US, if they were going to used as
>> commercial charter vessels or was it just closer to the intended market.
>> I’ve read somewhere that suggestion but I don’t know how valid that is
>>
>> JKC
>>
>> www.candcyachts.com
>> Motion Designs Limited
>> 647 990 7752
>>
>>
>>

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[Dan via CnC-List]

Thanks Don,
For some reason the broker told me not to do that now as he has to do that
anyway when he sells the boat, however if doing this now will prove the
boat was built in the US it will save me some money on import fees when I
go to sell.

Thanks again,
Dan Cormier
C Breakaweigh
Halifax NS / GCS Florida


On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 2:06 AM Donald Kern via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Dan,
>
> Since your boat was once registered in the US as *Rainbow *with a USCG
> registration number of 1024202 on Dec 1994 and a HIN of ZCC44001H586 you
> could request an "Abstract of a Title" which should provide record of all
> the information submitted to the USCG including the chain of ownership and
> whether the boat was subject to the "Jones Act" ie; built in Canada.
>
> The USCG form (application fee $25.00 USD) can be found at:
>
>
> https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Our-Organization/Deputy-for-Operations-Policy-and-Capabilities-DCO-D/National-Vessel-Documentation-Center/
>
> Since the the USCG documentation expired Dec. 2001, it may take some time
> before you get an answer.
>
> When I received the "Abstract of a Title" for my boat, the very first line
> was "This vessel was built at ..."
> Don Kern
> *Fireball,* C Mk2
> Bristol, RI
>
>
>
> *Fireball*, C Mk-2
>
> On 7/6/2022 10:48 PM, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List wrote:
>
> In February 1976, the initial models built at Rhode Island were the 24, 26
> and 29
>
> Page 30, The Pursuit of Excellence
>
> The Landfall 42 was project 76-1 so it wouldn’t be built till mid or late
> 76 with the Landfall 38 ( 78-13 ) being added in late 78 , early 79
>
> Now what I’ve wondered is how much the “Jones Act” influenced the decision
> to build Landfalls in the US, if they were going to used as commercial
> charter vessels or was it just closer to the intended market.  I’ve read
> somewhere that suggestion but I don’t know how valid that is
>
> JKC
>
> www.candcyachts.com
> Motion Designs Limited
> 647 990 7752
>
>
>

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[Donald Kern via CnC-List]

Dan,

Since your boat was once registered in the US as /Rainbow /with a USCG 
registration number of 1024202 on Dec 1994 and a HIN of ZCC44001H586 you 
could request an "Abstract of a Title" which should provide record of 
all the information submitted to the USCG including the chain of 
ownership and whether the boat was subject to the "Jones Act" ie; built 
in Canada.


The USCG form (application fee $25.00 USD) can be found at:

https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Our-Organization/Deputy-for-Operations-Policy-and-Capabilities-DCO-D/National-Vessel-Documentation-Center/

Since the the USCG documentation expired Dec. 2001, it may take some 
time before you get an answer.


When I received the "Abstract of a Title" for my boat, the very first 
line was "This vessel was built at ..."


Don Kern
/Fireball,/ C Mk2
Bristol, RI



/Fireball/, C Mk-2

On 7/6/2022 10:48 PM, Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List wrote:
In February 1976, the initial models built at Rhode Island were the 
24, 26 and 29


Page 30, The Pursuit of Excellence

The Landfall 42 was project 76-1 so it wouldn’t be built till mid or 
late 76 with the Landfall 38 ( 78-13 ) being added in late 78 , early 79


Now what I’ve wondered is how much the “Jones Act” influenced the 
decision to build Landfalls in the US, if they were going to used as 
commercial charter vessels or was it just closer to the intended 
market.  I’ve read somewhere that suggestion but I don’t know how 
valid that is


JKC

www.candcyachts.com
Motion Designs Limited
647 990 7752

Stus-List Re: C owners need information

[Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List]

In February 1976, the initial models built at Rhode Island were the 24, 26 and 
29

Page 30, The Pursuit of Excellence 

The Landfall 42 was project 76-1 so it wouldn’t be built till mid or late 76 
with the Landfall 38 ( 78-13 ) being added in late 78 , early 79

Now what I’ve wondered is how much the “Jones Act” influenced the decision to 
build Landfalls in the US, if they were going to used as commercial charter 
vessels or was it just closer to the intended market.  I’ve read somewhere that 
suggestion but I don’t know how valid that is

JKC 

www.candcyachts.com
Motion Designs Limited
647 990 7752

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[Dan via CnC-List]

Thank-you Rob, this explains a lot actually.
My hull is 001 and was made in August 1985 so it could have been made in
either location but it starts with "ZCC" which I'm told means NOTL but
others say that the letters could mean either. Another 44 owner tells me
his aluminum plaque in the cockpit says "Made in the USA" right on it. My
plate does not. It's all fairly enigmatic and uncertain, but I'm pretty
certain that at this point I have to assume my boat was built in NOTL.

Thanks everyone for all of the help!

Dan Cormier
C Breakaweigh
Halifax NS / GCS Florida

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 10:30 PM Robert Mazza via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Are we sure that any 44 were actually built in Rhode Island? The Rhode
> Island plant closed in 1985 the same year the 44 came out. It was my
> impression that the Rhode Island plant was focussing on the Landfall model
> at this time. I left C in 1985, but was involved in the analysis of the
> mast failure of *Silver Shadow II* at SORC prior to that. I suspect *Silver
> Shadow II *was the prototype for the 44s, even though she herself was not
> a success on the race course due to too many unsuccessful innovations. The
> Custom Plant in Oakville also closed about the same time. I expect that the
> 44s may have been built in the NOTL plant. However, that was 37 years
> ago (!), so the memory is a little hazy.
>
> Rob
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 3:46 PM JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Probably first production boat.   If the first "3" were built in custom
>> shop they may not have had assigned HINS.   Just a thought.
>>
>> JKC
>>
>>
>> On 2022-06-27 3:28 p.m., Dan via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> I highly doubt  that my boat is Hull #1. The first 3 C 's were
>> completely stripped down racers with 8' keels - one of them took home the
>> Bermuda Cup I think which was one of the selling points I believe.
>> Breakaweigh has a late model wide wing keel and comfortable cruising boat
>> interior straight out of the RI factory just like the other 44's built at
>> the same time. Not sure what's going on with the "001"
>>
>> Dan Cormier
>> C Breakaweigh
>> Halifax, NS / Florida
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 10:19 PM Don Kern  wrote:
>>
>>> Dan,
>>>
>>> Your boat was registered in the US as *Rainbow *with a USCG
>>> registration number of  1024202. on Dec 1994 thru Dec 2001.
>>>
>>> Interesting that there is another C 44 that has HIN that indicates it
>>> is also Hull #1 (HIN ZCC44001D485).*  Indigo*, a Canadian vessel was in
>>> US waters (Southwest Harbor, ME) in June 2019.
>>> Don Kern
>>> *Fireball*, C Mk-2
>>> Bristol, RI
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/25/2022 7:22 PM, Dan via CnC-List wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Don,
>>>
>>> It was me who started this converstaion on looking up the manufacturing
>>> location.
>>> Trying to find out if my 1986 C was made in Canada or the US.
>>> My hull number is:
>>> ZCC44001H586
>>>
>>> When I look it up online it tells me the boat was made in Aug. 1985 but
>>> not where it was made.
>>>
>>> Thanks so much!
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 2:14 PM Don Kern via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 Ron,

 I have been collecting data on the C for quite a few years and have
 run into the problem of what Portsmouth RI actually built due to the
 apparent use of both ZCC and CCY for Hull No.  The 38s are one of the
 problems with the Landfalls and Mk-2s.  I originally was under the
 impression that the LF 38s were built in Portsmouth, RI with HIN ZCC and
 Mk-2s only in Canada (HIN - CCY), but have run into exceptions.

 Can you you provide me with a full hull number and where your C 38
 Mk-2 was built?
 Don Kern
 Fireball, C Mk-2
 Bristol, RI


 On 6/25/2022 12:18 PM, RON CASCIATO via CnC-List wrote:

 Hi Dan, not sure if this helps but..some time ago after the factory
 closed,  South Shore Yachts in Toronto collected most of the boat files
 including something called a "build file".
 This file was specific to a single boat and was filed by the hull
 number.
 They made these files available to owners for $35-50.
 I have the one for my 38MKIIC and it is about 50 sheets long and
 details the build including drawings and, in my case, a 2 year later rework
 of the floor because of "flexing"?
 I think Rob Maclachlan finally transferred the remaining documents to
 the Marine Museum (I'm not sure of the exact name, but I do know that some
 listers have had positive corresoondence with them).
 Hopefully, someone here can fill in the missing info to contact them.
 Good luck
 Ron C.
 Impromptu
 C 38MKII, #125, '77

 On Jun 25, 2022 6:47 AM, Dan via CnC-List 
  wrote:

 Hi all,
 Just sending a call out to only C owners who may have any records
 showing if their boats were built in Ontario or at the factory in
 Rhode Island? Any 

Stus-List Re: C owners need information

[Robert Mazza via CnC-List]

Are we sure that any 44 were actually built in Rhode Island? The Rhode
Island plant closed in 1985 the same year the 44 came out. It was my
impression that the Rhode Island plant was focussing on the Landfall model
at this time. I left C in 1985, but was involved in the analysis of the
mast failure of *Silver Shadow II* at SORC prior to that. I suspect *Silver
Shadow II *was the prototype for the 44s, even though she herself was not a
success on the race course due to too many unsuccessful innovations. The
Custom Plant in Oakville also closed about the same time. I expect that the
44s may have been built in the NOTL plant. However, that was 37 years
ago (!), so the memory is a little hazy.

Rob

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 3:46 PM JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Probably first production boat.   If the first "3" were built in custom
> shop they may not have had assigned HINS.   Just a thought.
>
> JKC
>
>
> On 2022-06-27 3:28 p.m., Dan via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> I highly doubt  that my boat is Hull #1. The first 3 C 's were
> completely stripped down racers with 8' keels - one of them took home the
> Bermuda Cup I think which was one of the selling points I believe.
> Breakaweigh has a late model wide wing keel and comfortable cruising boat
> interior straight out of the RI factory just like the other 44's built at
> the same time. Not sure what's going on with the "001"
>
> Dan Cormier
> C Breakaweigh
> Halifax, NS / Florida
>
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 10:19 PM Don Kern  wrote:
>
>> Dan,
>>
>> Your boat was registered in the US as *Rainbow *with a USCG registration
>> number of  1024202. on Dec 1994 thru Dec 2001.
>>
>> Interesting that there is another C 44 that has HIN that indicates it
>> is also Hull #1 (HIN ZCC44001D485).*  Indigo*, a Canadian vessel was in
>> US waters (Southwest Harbor, ME) in June 2019.
>> Don Kern
>> *Fireball*, C Mk-2
>> Bristol, RI
>>
>>
>> On 6/25/2022 7:22 PM, Dan via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> Hi Don,
>>
>> It was me who started this converstaion on looking up the manufacturing
>> location.
>> Trying to find out if my 1986 C was made in Canada or the US.
>> My hull number is:
>> ZCC44001H586
>>
>> When I look it up online it tells me the boat was made in Aug. 1985 but
>> not where it was made.
>>
>> Thanks so much!
>> Dan
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 2:14 PM Don Kern via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ron,
>>>
>>> I have been collecting data on the C for quite a few years and have
>>> run into the problem of what Portsmouth RI actually built due to the
>>> apparent use of both ZCC and CCY for Hull No.  The 38s are one of the
>>> problems with the Landfalls and Mk-2s.  I originally was under the
>>> impression that the LF 38s were built in Portsmouth, RI with HIN ZCC and
>>> Mk-2s only in Canada (HIN - CCY), but have run into exceptions.
>>>
>>> Can you you provide me with a full hull number and where your C 38
>>> Mk-2 was built?
>>> Don Kern
>>> Fireball, C Mk-2
>>> Bristol, RI
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/25/2022 12:18 PM, RON CASCIATO via CnC-List wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Dan, not sure if this helps but..some time ago after the factory
>>> closed,  South Shore Yachts in Toronto collected most of the boat files
>>> including something called a "build file".
>>> This file was specific to a single boat and was filed by the hull number.
>>> They made these files available to owners for $35-50.
>>> I have the one for my 38MKIIC and it is about 50 sheets long and details
>>> the build including drawings and, in my case, a 2 year later rework of the
>>> floor because of "flexing"?
>>> I think Rob Maclachlan finally transferred the remaining documents to
>>> the Marine Museum (I'm not sure of the exact name, but I do know that some
>>> listers have had positive corresoondence with them).
>>> Hopefully, someone here can fill in the missing info to contact them.
>>> Good luck
>>> Ron C.
>>> Impromptu
>>> C 38MKII, #125, '77
>>>
>>> On Jun 25, 2022 6:47 AM, Dan via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Just sending a call out to only C owners who may have any records
>>> showing if their boats were built in Ontario or at the factory in
>>> Rhode Island? Any kind of builders plaque, builders certificate, an
>>> original receipt or even contact info for someone who has archives from
>>> when the factories closed down? (I know that's a long shot)
>>>
>>> Thanks so much!
>>>
>>> Dan Cormier
>>> C Breakaweigh
>>> Halifax NS / Florida
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> --
>

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[JohnKelly Cuthbertson via CnC-List]

  
  
Probably first production boat.   If
  the first "3" were built in custom shop they may not have had
  assigned HINS.   Just a thought.



JKC





On 2022-06-27 3:28 p.m., Dan via
  CnC-List wrote:


  
  Don,


I highly doubt  that my boat is Hull #1. The first 3
  C 's were completely stripped down racers with 8'
  keels - one of them took home the Bermuda Cup I think which
  was one of the selling points I believe.
Breakaweigh has a late model wide wing keel and comfortable
  cruising boat interior straight out of the RI factory just
  like the other 44's built at the same time. Not sure what's
  going on with the "001"


Dan Cormier
C Breakaweigh
Halifax, NS / Florida
  
  
  
On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 10:19
  PM Don Kern 
  wrote:


  
Dan,
Your boat was registered in the US as Rainbow with
  a USCG registration number of  1024202. on Dec 1994 thru
  Dec 2001.
Interesting that there is another C 44 that has HIN
  that indicates it is also Hull #1 (HIN ZCC44001D485). 
Indigo, a Canadian vessel was in US waters
  (Southwest Harbor, ME) in June 2019.

Don Kern
  Fireball, C Mk-2
  Bristol, RI




On 6/25/2022 7:22 PM, Dan via CnC-List wrote:


  Hi Don,


It was me who started this converstaion
  on looking up the manufacturing location.
Trying to find out if my 1986 C
  was made in Canada or the US.
My hull number is:
ZCC44001H586


When I look it up online it tells me the
  boat was made in Aug. 1985 but not where it was made.


Thanks so much!
Dan
  
  
  
On Sat, Jun 25, 2022,
  2:14 PM Don Kern via CnC-List 
  wrote:


  
Ron,
I have been collecting data on the C for
  quite a few years and have run into the problem of
  what Portsmouth RI actually built due to the
  apparent use of both ZCC and CCY for Hull No.  The
  38s are one of the problems with the Landfalls and
  Mk-2s.  I originally was under the impression that
  the LF 38s were built in Portsmouth, RI with HIN
  ZCC and Mk-2s only in Canada (HIN - CCY), but have
  run into exceptions.  

Can you you provide me with a full hull number
  and where your C 38 Mk-2 was built?
Don Kern
Fireball, C Mk-2
Bristol, RI


On 6/25/2022 12:18 PM, RON CASCIATO via
  CnC-List wrote:


  Hi Dan, not sure if this helps
but..some time ago after the factory
closed,  South Shore Yachts in Toronto collected
most of the boat files including something
called a "build file".
This file was specific to a
  single boat and was filed by the hull number.
They made these files available
  to owners for $35-50.
I have the one for my 38MKIIC
  and it is about 50 sheets long and details the
  build including drawings and, in my case, a 2
  year later rework of the floor because of
  "flexing"?
I think Rob Maclachlan finally
  transferred the remaining documents to the
  Marine Museum (I'm not sure of the exact name,
  but I do know that some listers have had
  positive corresoondence with them).
Hopefully, someone here can fill
  in the missing info to contact them.
Good luck
Ron C.
Impromptu 
C 38MKII, #125, '77
  

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[Dan via CnC-List]

Don,

I highly doubt  that my boat is Hull #1. The first 3 C 's were
completely stripped down racers with 8' keels - one of them took home the
Bermuda Cup I think which was one of the selling points I believe.
Breakaweigh has a late model wide wing keel and comfortable cruising boat
interior straight out of the RI factory just like the other 44's built at
the same time. Not sure what's going on with the "001"

Dan Cormier
C Breakaweigh
Halifax, NS / Florida

On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 10:19 PM Don Kern  wrote:

> Dan,
>
> Your boat was registered in the US as *Rainbow *with a USCG registration
> number of  1024202. on Dec 1994 thru Dec 2001.
>
> Interesting that there is another C 44 that has HIN that indicates it is
> also Hull #1 (HIN ZCC44001D485).*  Indigo*, a Canadian vessel was in US
> waters (Southwest Harbor, ME) in June 2019.
> Don Kern
> *Fireball*, C Mk-2
> Bristol, RI
>
>
> On 6/25/2022 7:22 PM, Dan via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hi Don,
>
> It was me who started this converstaion on looking up the manufacturing
> location.
> Trying to find out if my 1986 C was made in Canada or the US.
> My hull number is:
> ZCC44001H586
>
> When I look it up online it tells me the boat was made in Aug. 1985 but
> not where it was made.
>
> Thanks so much!
> Dan
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 2:14 PM Don Kern via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> Ron,
>>
>> I have been collecting data on the C for quite a few years and have run
>> into the problem of what Portsmouth RI actually built due to the apparent
>> use of both ZCC and CCY for Hull No.  The 38s are one of the problems with
>> the Landfalls and Mk-2s.  I originally was under the impression that the LF
>> 38s were built in Portsmouth, RI with HIN ZCC and Mk-2s only in Canada (HIN
>> - CCY), but have run into exceptions.
>>
>> Can you you provide me with a full hull number and where your C 38 Mk-2
>> was built?
>> Don Kern
>> Fireball, C Mk-2
>> Bristol, RI
>>
>>
>> On 6/25/2022 12:18 PM, RON CASCIATO via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dan, not sure if this helps but..some time ago after the factory
>> closed,  South Shore Yachts in Toronto collected most of the boat files
>> including something called a "build file".
>> This file was specific to a single boat and was filed by the hull number.
>> They made these files available to owners for $35-50.
>> I have the one for my 38MKIIC and it is about 50 sheets long and details
>> the build including drawings and, in my case, a 2 year later rework of the
>> floor because of "flexing"?
>> I think Rob Maclachlan finally transferred the remaining documents to the
>> Marine Museum (I'm not sure of the exact name, but I do know that some
>> listers have had positive corresoondence with them).
>> Hopefully, someone here can fill in the missing info to contact them.
>> Good luck
>> Ron C.
>> Impromptu
>> C 38MKII, #125, '77
>>
>> On Jun 25, 2022 6:47 AM, Dan via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Just sending a call out to only C owners who may have any records
>> showing if their boats were built in Ontario or at the factory in
>> Rhode Island? Any kind of builders plaque, builders certificate, an
>> original receipt or even contact info for someone who has archives from
>> when the factories closed down? (I know that's a long shot)
>>
>> Thanks so much!
>>
>> Dan Cormier
>> C Breakaweigh
>> Halifax NS / Florida
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[Dan via CnC-List]

Thanks everyone! I should be able to work with this information. Going to
make some calls today and check out the USCG website to see if I can either
update my registration to show RI build or to prove the boat was imported
into the US as "Rainbow" - which it was because I have some paperwork
onboard showing the boat was called that once.

Dan Cormier
C Breakaweigh
Halifax, NS / Florida

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 12:03 AM Fred Hazzard via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The aluminum plate in the  cockpit of my 44 shows it was built in Rhode
> Island.
> It is the 7th one built.
> The HIN was removed when painted.
>
> Fred Hazzard
> S/V Fury
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 26, 2022, at 6:19 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Dan,
>
> Your boat was registered in the US as *Rainbow *with a USCG registration
> number of  1024202. on Dec 1994 thru Dec 2001.
>
> Interesting that there is another C 44 that has HIN that indicates it is
> also Hull #1 (HIN ZCC44001D485).*  Indigo*, a Canadian vessel was in US
> waters (Southwest Harbor, ME) in June 2019.
> Don Kern
> *Fireball*, C Mk-2
> Bristol, RI
>
>
> On 6/25/2022 7:22 PM, Dan via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hi Don,
>
> It was me who started this converstaion on looking up the manufacturing
> location.
> Trying to find out if my 1986 C was made in Canada or the US.
> My hull number is:
> ZCC44001H586
>
> When I look it up online it tells me the boat was made in Aug. 1985 but
> not where it was made.
>
> Thanks so much!
> Dan
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 2:14 PM Don Kern via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> Ron,
>>
>> I have been collecting data on the C for quite a few years and have run
>> into the problem of what Portsmouth RI actually built due to the apparent
>> use of both ZCC and CCY for Hull No.  The 38s are one of the problems with
>> the Landfalls and Mk-2s.  I originally was under the impression that the LF
>> 38s were built in Portsmouth, RI with HIN ZCC and Mk-2s only in Canada (HIN
>> - CCY), but have run into exceptions.
>>
>> Can you you provide me with a full hull number and where your C 38 Mk-2
>> was built?
>> Don Kern
>> Fireball, C Mk-2
>> Bristol, RI
>>
>>
>> On 6/25/2022 12:18 PM, RON CASCIATO via CnC-List wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dan, not sure if this helps but..some time ago after the factory
>> closed,  South Shore Yachts in Toronto collected most of the boat files
>> including something called a "build file".
>> This file was specific to a single boat and was filed by the hull number.
>> They made these files available to owners for $35-50.
>> I have the one for my 38MKIIC and it is about 50 sheets long and details
>> the build including drawings and, in my case, a 2 year later rework of the
>> floor because of "flexing"?
>> I think Rob Maclachlan finally transferred the remaining documents to the
>> Marine Museum (I'm not sure of the exact name, but I do know that some
>> listers have had positive corresoondence with them).
>> Hopefully, someone here can fill in the missing info to contact them.
>> Good luck
>> Ron C.
>> Impromptu
>> C 38MKII, #125, '77
>>
>> On Jun 25, 2022 6:47 AM, Dan via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Just sending a call out to only C owners who may have any records
>> showing if their boats were built in Ontario or at the factory in
>> Rhode Island? Any kind of builders plaque, builders certificate, an
>> original receipt or even contact info for someone who has archives from
>> when the factories closed down? (I know that's a long shot)
>>
>> Thanks so much!
>>
>> Dan Cormier
>> C Breakaweigh
>> Halifax NS / Florida
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

The aluminum plate in the  cockpit of my 44 shows it was built in Rhode Island. 
It is the 7th one built. 
The HIN was removed when painted. 

Fred Hazzard 
S/V Fury


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2022, at 6:19 PM, Don Kern via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dan,
> 
> Your boat was registered in the US as Rainbow with a USCG registration number 
> of  1024202. on Dec 1994 thru Dec 2001.
> 
> Interesting that there is another C 44 that has HIN that indicates it is 
> also Hull #1 (HIN ZCC44001D485).  Indigo, a Canadian vessel was in US waters 
> (Southwest Harbor, ME) in June 2019.
> 
> Don Kern
> Fireball, C Mk-2
> Bristol, RI
> 
> 
> On 6/25/2022 7:22 PM, Dan via CnC-List wrote:
>> Hi Don,
>> 
>> It was me who started this converstaion on looking up the manufacturing 
>> location.
>> Trying to find out if my 1986 C was made in Canada or the US.
>> My hull number is:
>> ZCC44001H586
>> 
>> When I look it up online it tells me the boat was made in Aug. 1985 but not 
>> where it was made.
>> 
>> Thanks so much!
>> Dan
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 2:14 PM Don Kern via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>>> Ron,
>>> 
>>> I have been collecting data on the C for quite a few years and have run 
>>> into the problem of what Portsmouth RI actually built due to the apparent 
>>> use of both ZCC and CCY for Hull No.  The 38s are one of the problems with 
>>> the Landfalls and Mk-2s.  I originally was under the impression that the LF 
>>> 38s were built in Portsmouth, RI with HIN ZCC and Mk-2s only in Canada (HIN 
>>> - CCY), but have run into exceptions.  
>>> 
>>> Can you you provide me with a full hull number and where your C 38 Mk-2 
>>> was built?
>>> 
>>> Don Kern
>>> Fireball, C Mk-2
>>> Bristol, RI
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/25/2022 12:18 PM, RON CASCIATO via CnC-List wrote:
 Hi Dan, not sure if this helps but..some time ago after the factory 
 closed,  South Shore Yachts in Toronto collected most of the boat files 
 including something called a "build file".
 This file was specific to a single boat and was filed by the hull number.
 They made these files available to owners for $35-50.
 I have the one for my 38MKIIC and it is about 50 sheets long and details 
 the build including drawings and, in my case, a 2 year later rework of the 
 floor because of "flexing"?
 I think Rob Maclachlan finally transferred the remaining documents to the 
 Marine Museum (I'm not sure of the exact name, but I do know that some 
 listers have had positive corresoondence with them).
 Hopefully, someone here can fill in the missing info to contact them.
 Good luck
 Ron C.
 Impromptu 
 C 38MKII, #125, '77
 
 On Jun 25, 2022 6:47 AM, Dan via CnC-List  wrote:
 Hi all,
 Just sending a call out to only C owners who may have any records 
 showing if their boats were built in Ontario or at the factory in Rhode 
 Island? Any kind of builders plaque, builders certificate, an original 
 receipt or even contact info for someone who has archives from when the 
 factories closed down? (I know that's a long shot)
 
 Thanks so much!
 
 Dan Cormier
 C Breakaweigh
 Halifax NS / Florida
 
 
 

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[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Dan,

Your boat was registered in the US as /Rainbow /with a USCG registration 
number of  1024202. on Dec 1994 thru Dec 2001.


Interesting that there is another C 44 that has HIN that indicates it 
is also Hull #1 (HIN ZCC44001D485)./  Indigo/, a Canadian vessel was in 
US waters (Southwest Harbor, ME) in June 2019.


Don Kern
/Fireball/, C Mk-2
Bristol, RI


On 6/25/2022 7:22 PM, Dan via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Don,

It was me who started this converstaion on looking up the 
manufacturing location.

Trying to find out if my 1986 C was made in Canada or the US.
My hull number is:
ZCC44001H586

When I look it up online it tells me the boat was made in Aug. 1985 
but not where it was made.


Thanks so much!
Dan

On Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 2:14 PM Don Kern via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Ron,

I have been collecting data on the C for quite a few years and
have run into the problem of what Portsmouth RI actually built due
to the apparent use of both ZCC and CCY for Hull No.  The 38s are
one of the problems with the Landfalls and Mk-2s.  I originally
was under the impression that the LF 38s were built in Portsmouth,
RI with HIN ZCC and Mk-2s only in Canada (HIN - CCY), but have run
into exceptions.

Can you you provide me with a full hull number and where your C
38 Mk-2 was built?

Don Kern
Fireball, C Mk-2
Bristol, RI


On 6/25/2022 12:18 PM, RON CASCIATO via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Dan, not sure if this helps but..some time ago after the
factory closed,  South Shore Yachts in Toronto collected most of
the boat files including something called a "build file".
This file was specific to a single boat and was filed by the hull
number.
They made these files available to owners for $35-50.
I have the one for my 38MKIIC and it is about 50 sheets long and
details the build including drawings and, in my case, a 2 year
later rework of the floor because of "flexing"?
I think Rob Maclachlan finally transferred the remaining
documents to the Marine Museum (I'm not sure of the exact name,
but I do know that some listers have had positive corresoondence
with them).
Hopefully, someone here can fill in the missing info to contact them.
Good luck
Ron C.
Impromptu
C 38MKII, #125, '77

On Jun 25, 2022 6:47 AM, Dan via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi all,
Just sending a call out to only C owners who may have any
records showing if their boats were built in Ontario or at
the factory in Rhode Island? Any kind of builders plaque,
builders certificate, an original receipt or even contact
info for someone who has archives from when the factories
closed down? (I know that's a long shot)

Thanks so much!

Dan Cormier
C Breakaweigh
Halifax NS / Florida

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[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

As Don suggests, and as Ron indicated, the 38 mkll and 38 Landfall can be 
confusing.

 

Imzadi is a 1976 38 mkll, with a ZCC builder code, but also indicates as being 
built by CYC Yachts in NOTL. I have the builders file on her, and it contains a 
copy of a shipping document showing the (incomplete?) boat being shipped from 
Rhode Island into Canada, plus a shipping document showing the completed vessel 
going from NOTL to the original dealer in Gross Point, MI. IIRC there is also a 
customs document showing a sizeable US content for the boat.

 

My presumption has always been that some of the hulls were made in Rhode Island 
but final assembly and fitting out was done in Canada. If the LF38 was done in 
RI, and since the hull form for the MKll and LF are pretty much the same, and 
C seems to have built something like 90 mk2s in 1976 which might have pressed 
the capacity of the NOTL operation, my presumption sounds like it might be 
logical.

 

Anyway, there is a search where you can put vessel name, HIN, or documentation 
number into your PC and get a brief report of information if the boat has been 
documented. The link is Free Vessel Documentation Search Lookup | 
MarineTitle.com 
<https://www.marinetitle.com/vessel-documentation/database-search-lookup.aspx> .

 

Imzadi is documented, and is shows her a being built by NOTL. Which  is why I 
can’t use her as a 6 pack vessel here in the US.

 

BTW, just to add to the confusion, the paperwork on my 25 mk1 says she came 
from RI, but she has a CCY builder code. Go figure

 

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

 

 

From: Don Kern via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2022 1:14 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Don Kern 
Subject: Stus-List Re: C owners need information

 

Ron,

I have been collecting data on the C for quite a few years and have run into 
the problem of what Portsmouth RI actually built due to the apparent use of 
both ZCC and CCY for Hull No.  The 38s are one of the problems with the 
Landfalls and Mk-2s.  I originally was under the impression that the LF 38s 
were built in Portsmouth, RI with HIN ZCC and Mk-2s only in Canada (HIN - CCY), 
but have run into exceptions.  

Can you you provide me with a full hull number and where your C 38 Mk-2 was 
built?

Don Kern
Fireball, C Mk-2
Bristol, RI

 

On 6/25/2022 12:18 PM, RON CASCIATO via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Dan, not sure if this helps but..some time ago after the factory closed, 
 South Shore Yachts in Toronto collected most of the boat files including 
something called a "build file". 

This file was specific to a single boat and was filed by the hull number.

They made these files available to owners for $35-50.

I have the one for my 38MKIIC and it is about 50 sheets long and details the 
build including drawings and, in my case, a 2 year later rework of the floor 
because of "flexing"?

I think Rob Maclachlan finally transferred the remaining documents to the 
Marine Museum (I'm not sure of the exact name, but I do know that some listers 
have had positive corresoondence with them).

Hopefully, someone here can fill in the missing info to contact them.

Good luck

Ron C.

Impromptu 

C 38MKII, #125, '77

 

On Jun 25, 2022 6:47 AM, Dan via CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
 wrote:

Hi all, 

Just sending a call out to only C owners who may have any records showing 
if their boats were built in Ontario or at the factory in Rhode Island? Any 
kind of builders plaque, builders certificate, an original receipt or even 
contact info for someone who has archives from when the factories closed down? 
(I know that's a long shot)

 

Thanks so much!

 

Dan Cormier

C Breakaweigh

Halifax NS / Florida

 

 

 

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[Dan via CnC-List]

Hi Don,

It was me who started this converstaion on looking up the manufacturing
location.
Trying to find out if my 1986 C was made in Canada or the US.
My hull number is:
ZCC44001H586

When I look it up online it tells me the boat was made in Aug. 1985 but not
where it was made.

Thanks so much!
Dan

On Sat, Jun 25, 2022, 2:14 PM Don Kern via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Ron,
>
> I have been collecting data on the C for quite a few years and have run
> into the problem of what Portsmouth RI actually built due to the apparent
> use of both ZCC and CCY for Hull No.  The 38s are one of the problems with
> the Landfalls and Mk-2s.  I originally was under the impression that the LF
> 38s were built in Portsmouth, RI with HIN ZCC and Mk-2s only in Canada (HIN
> - CCY), but have run into exceptions.
>
> Can you you provide me with a full hull number and where your C 38 Mk-2
> was built?
> Don Kern
> Fireball, C Mk-2
> Bristol, RI
>
>
> On 6/25/2022 12:18 PM, RON CASCIATO via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Hi Dan, not sure if this helps but..some time ago after the factory
> closed,  South Shore Yachts in Toronto collected most of the boat files
> including something called a "build file".
> This file was specific to a single boat and was filed by the hull number.
> They made these files available to owners for $35-50.
> I have the one for my 38MKIIC and it is about 50 sheets long and details
> the build including drawings and, in my case, a 2 year later rework of the
> floor because of "flexing"?
> I think Rob Maclachlan finally transferred the remaining documents to the
> Marine Museum (I'm not sure of the exact name, but I do know that some
> listers have had positive corresoondence with them).
> Hopefully, someone here can fill in the missing info to contact them.
> Good luck
> Ron C.
> Impromptu
> C 38MKII, #125, '77
>
> On Jun 25, 2022 6:47 AM, Dan via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> Just sending a call out to only C owners who may have any records
> showing if their boats were built in Ontario or at the factory in
> Rhode Island? Any kind of builders plaque, builders certificate, an
> original receipt or even contact info for someone who has archives from
> when the factories closed down? (I know that's a long shot)
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Dan Cormier
> C Breakaweigh
> Halifax NS / Florida
>
>
>
>

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[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Ron,

I have been collecting data on the C for quite a few years and have 
run into the problem of what Portsmouth RI actually built due to the 
apparent use of both ZCC and CCY for Hull No.  The 38s are one of the 
problems with the Landfalls and Mk-2s.  I originally was under the 
impression that the LF 38s were built in Portsmouth, RI with HIN ZCC and 
Mk-2s only in Canada (HIN - CCY), but have run into exceptions.


Can you you provide me with a full hull number and where your C 38 
Mk-2 was built?


Don Kern
Fireball, C Mk-2
Bristol, RI


On 6/25/2022 12:18 PM, RON CASCIATO via CnC-List wrote:
Hi Dan, not sure if this helps but..some time ago after the 
factory closed,  South Shore Yachts in Toronto collected most of the 
boat files including something called a "build file".

This file was specific to a single boat and was filed by the hull number.
They made these files available to owners for $35-50.
I have the one for my 38MKIIC and it is about 50 sheets long and 
details the build including drawings and, in my case, a 2 year later 
rework of the floor because of "flexing"?
I think Rob Maclachlan finally transferred the remaining documents to 
the Marine Museum (I'm not sure of the exact name, but I do know that 
some listers have had positive corresoondence with them).

Hopefully, someone here can fill in the missing info to contact them.
Good luck
Ron C.
Impromptu
C 38MKII, #125, '77

On Jun 25, 2022 6:47 AM, Dan via CnC-List  wrote:

Hi all,
Just sending a call out to only C owners who may have any
records showing if their boats were built in Ontario or at the
factory in Rhode Island? Any kind of builders plaque, builders
certificate, an original receipt or even contact info for someone
who has archives from when the factories closed down? (I know
that's a long shot)

Thanks so much!

Dan Cormier
C Breakaweigh
Halifax NS / Florida

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[Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List]

The build files that South Shore rescued ended up in the dumpster about a year 
and a half ago.  :-(

JKC

www.candcyachts.com
Motion Designs Limited
647 990 7752

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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Searching the cncphotoalbum email and archives seems to indicate that HIN's
with ZCC were built in NOTL, Ont.  The RI boats used CCY.  Not convinced
that's 100% correct but try different searches using:

XXX site:cncphotoalbum.com where XXX = ccy, zcc, etc.
-- 
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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[Fred Hazzard via CnC-List]

1986 C 44 hull nbrs 7 and 8 are here in Portland. Both were originally 
delivered to Seattle.  No idea as to country of origin. 
Fred Hazzard 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 25, 2022, at 3:48 AM, Dan via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> Just sending a call out to only C owners who may have any records showing 
> if their boats were built in Ontario or at the factory in Rhode Island? Any 
> kind of builders plaque, builders certificate, an original receipt or even 
> contact info for someone who has archives from when the factories closed 
> down? (I know that's a long shot)
> 
> Thanks so much!
> 
> Dan Cormier
> C Breakaweigh
> Halifax NS / Florida
> 
> 

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[RON CASCIATO via CnC-List]

Hi Dan, not sure if this helps but..some time ago after the factory closed,  South Shore Yachts in Toronto collected most of the boat files including something called a "build file".This file was specific to a single boat and was filed by the hull number.They made these files available to owners for $35-50.I have the one for my 38MKIIC and it is about 50 sheets long and details the build including drawings and, in my case, a 2 year later rework of the floor because of "flexing"?I think Rob Maclachlan finally transferred the remaining documents to the Marine Museum (I'm not sure of the exact name, but I do know that some listers have had positive corresoondence with them).Hopefully, someone here can fill in the missing info to contact them.Good luckRon C.Impromptu C 38MKII, #125, '77On Jun 25, 2022 6:47 AM, Dan via CnC-List  wrote:Hi all,Just sending a call out to only C owners who may have any records showing if their boats were built in Ontario or at the factory in Rhode Island? Any kind of builders plaque, builders certificate, an original receipt or even contact info for someone who has archives from when the factories closed down? (I know that's a long shot)Thanks so much!Dan CormierC BreakaweighHalifax NS / Florida