Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

Wrapping has come a long way… check out this video on wrapping the inside of your boat.youtu.be/John83 LF38, Hull #155 - OntarioOn Aug 23, 2023, at 4:26 PM, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  wrote:Well, this discussion has taken up an inordinate amount of my time - Not that I am complaining, I am learning much more than I already knew about wraps. After watching several youtube videos, (How to repair) I now think a lot of the cars I thought were painted are wrapped.  There are some little bits on my boat that have little vinyl repairs that are very hard to find.Bill ColemanOn Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 1:04 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List  wrote:Karl, that's exactly my concern...I would like to have seen photos of that! ThanksRichardRichard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255






On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:51:28 PM EDT, Karl Erickson via CnC-List  wrote:



They guy who has a wrap here did hit the dock last year and put a pretty large rip in it. Not repairable. He had that side replaced this spring. Karl EricksonSeaBaticalC 34Lake Michigan On Aug 23, 2023, at 11:17 AM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List  wrote:The reviews I have seen on YouTube for cruising boats seem positive.Lifespan 10+ years, straight forward patch and repair and peel off removal.Being a traditionalist, I had been hesitant to consider wraps but am digging deeper as the pros seem to outweigh the cons, esp here in N. Idaho where painters and working yards are sparce but there are vehicle wrappers who have some boat wrapping experience. (Fred don't judge us, it's a BIG lake).Still weighing options as we are a couple of years (unless an option becomes obvious) Karl Kuzis Firefly C 29 Mk1karl.ku...@gmail.com Cell (360) 606-2099On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 8:48 AM Richard Bush via CnC-List  wrote:As a follow up to Bill's questions about the wrapswhat is their life expectancy? What happens when you get into a dispute with a dock piling and the piling wins(don't ask how I know)...thanks!RichardRichard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255






On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:39:47 AM EDT, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  wrote:



Those Wraps are intriguing, does anyone know what is involved in removing them?Bill ColemanEntrada, Erie PAOn Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 10:43 PM Karl Erickson via CnC-List  wrote:A dock neighbor had just 1973 C$C 33 wrapped last year. Half the cost and it looks awesome. His name and the C stripe was part of it. Karl EricksonOn Aug 22, 2023, at 4:02 PM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List  wrote:Another random ideaCould  you consider a vinyl wrap?Firefly has the Red paint job from 1977ish and is umm showing her age.So while looking at painting we also started looking at options. The vinyl wrap is about half the paint cost and decent life span and repairable. For us, either is a couple of years off but does the group have any input or experience? Karl & Doris Kuzis C 29 Mk 1 - Firefly George Cone

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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Well, this discussion has taken up an inordinate amount of my time - Not
that I am complaining, I am learning much more than I already knew about
wraps. After watching several youtube videos, (How to repair) I now think a
lot of the cars I thought were painted are wrapped.  There are some little
bits on my boat that have little vinyl repairs that are very hard to find.

Bill Coleman

On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 1:04 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Karl, that's exactly my concern...I would like to have seen photos of
> that! Thanks
>
> Richard
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
> (502) 584-7255
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:51:28 PM EDT, Karl Erickson via
> CnC-List  wrote:
>
>
> They guy who has a wrap here did hit the dock last year and put a pretty
> large rip in it. Not repairable. He had that side replaced this spring.
>
> Karl Erickson
> SeaBatical
> C 34
> Lake Michigan
>
> On Aug 23, 2023, at 11:17 AM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> The reviews I have seen on YouTube for cruising boats seem positive.
> Lifespan 10+ years, straight forward patch and repair and peel off removal.
>
> Being a traditionalist, I had been hesitant to consider wraps but am
> digging deeper as the pros seem to outweigh the cons, esp here in N. Idaho
> where painters and working yards are sparce but there are vehicle wrappers
> who have some boat wrapping experience. (Fred don't judge us, it's a BIG
> lake).
>
> Still weighing options as we are a couple of years (unless an option
> becomes obvious)
>
> Karl Kuzis
> Firefly
> C 29 Mk1
> karl.ku...@gmail.com
> Cell (360) 606-2099
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 8:48 AM Richard Bush via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> As a follow up to Bill's questions about the wrapswhat is their life
> expectancy? What happens when you get into a dispute with a dock piling and
> the piling wins(don't ask how I know)...thanks!
>
> Richard
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
> (502) 584-7255
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:39:47 AM EDT, Bill Coleman via
> CnC-List  wrote:
>
>
> Those Wraps are intriguing, does anyone know what is involved in removing
> them?
>
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada, Erie PA
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 10:43 PM Karl Erickson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> A dock neighbor had just 1973 C$C 33 wrapped last year. Half the cost and
> it looks awesome. His name and the C stripe was part of it.
>
> Karl Erickson
>
> On Aug 22, 2023, at 4:02 PM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Another random idea
>
> Could  you consider a vinyl wrap?
>
> Firefly has the Red paint job from 1977ish and is umm showing her age.
> So while looking at painting we also started looking at options.
> The vinyl wrap is about half the paint cost and decent life span and
> repairable.
>
> For us, either is a couple of years off but does the group have any input
> or experience?
>
> Karl & Doris Kuzis
> C 29 Mk 1 - Firefly
>
> George Cone
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

Karl, that's exactly my concern...I would like to have seen photos of that! 
Thanks

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 12:51:28 PM EDT, Karl Erickson via 
CnC-List  wrote:  
 
 They guy who has a wrap here did hit the dock last year and put a pretty large 
rip in it. Not repairable. He had that side replaced this spring. 

Karl EricksonSeaBaticalC 34Lake Michigan 

On Aug 23, 2023, at 11:17 AM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List  
wrote:



The reviews I have seen on YouTube for cruising boats seem positive.Lifespan 
10+ years, straight forward patch and repair and peel off removal.
Being a traditionalist, I had been hesitant to consider wraps but am digging 
deeper as the pros seem to outweigh the cons, esp here in N. Idaho where 
painters and working yards are sparce but there are vehicle wrappers who have 
some boat wrapping experience. (Fred don't judge us, it's a BIG lake).
Still weighing options as we are a couple of years (unless an option becomes 
obvious) 
Karl Kuzis Firefly C 29 mk1karl.ku...@gmail.com Cell (360) 606-2099
On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 8:48 AM Richard Bush via CnC-List  
wrote:

As a follow up to Bill's questions about the wrapswhat is their life 
expectancy? What happens when you get into a dispute with a dock piling and the 
piling wins(don't ask how I know)...thanks!

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:39:47 AM EDT, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Those Wraps are intriguing, does anyone know what is involved in removing them?
Bill ColemanEntrada, Erie PA

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 10:43 PM Karl Erickson via CnC-List 
 wrote:

A dock neighbor had just 1973 C$C 33 wrapped last year. Half the cost and it 
looks awesome. His name and the C stripe was part of it. 

Karl Erickson

On Aug 22, 2023, at 4:02 PM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List  
wrote:



Another random idea
Could  you consider a vinyl wrap?
Firefly has the Red paint job from 1977ish and is umm showing her age.So while 
looking at painting we also started looking at options. The vinyl wrap is about 
half the paint cost and decent life span and repairable. 
For us, either is a couple of years off but does the group have any input or 
experience? 
Karl & Doris Kuzis C 29 Mk 1 - Firefly 

George Cone


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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Karl Erickson via CnC-List]

They guy who has a wrap here did hit the dock last year and put a pretty large rip in it. Not repairable. He had that side replaced this spring. Karl EricksonSeaBaticalC 34Lake Michigan On Aug 23, 2023, at 11:17 AM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List  wrote:The reviews I have seen on YouTube for cruising boats seem positive.Lifespan 10+ years, straight forward patch and repair and peel off removal.Being a traditionalist, I had been hesitant to consider wraps but am digging deeper as the pros seem to outweigh the cons, esp here in N. Idaho where painters and working yards are sparce but there are vehicle wrappers who have some boat wrapping experience. (Fred don't judge us, it's a BIG lake).Still weighing options as we are a couple of years (unless an option becomes obvious) Karl Kuzis Firefly C 29 Mk1karl.ku...@gmail.com Cell (360) 606-2099On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 8:48 AM Richard Bush via CnC-List  wrote:As a follow up to Bill's questions about the wrapswhat is their life expectancy? What happens when you get into a dispute with a dock piling and the piling wins(don't ask how I know)...thanks!RichardRichard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255






On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:39:47 AM EDT, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  wrote:



Those Wraps are intriguing, does anyone know what is involved in removing them?Bill ColemanEntrada, Erie PAOn Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 10:43 PM Karl Erickson via CnC-List  wrote:A dock neighbor had just 1973 C$C 33 wrapped last year. Half the cost and it looks awesome. His name and the C stripe was part of it. Karl EricksonOn Aug 22, 2023, at 4:02 PM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List  wrote:Another random ideaCould  you consider a vinyl wrap?Firefly has the Red paint job from 1977ish and is umm showing her age.So while looking at painting we also started looking at options. The vinyl wrap is about half the paint cost and decent life span and repairable. For us, either is a couple of years off but does the group have any input or experience? Karl & Doris Kuzis C 29 Mk 1 - Firefly George Cone

Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.Stu

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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Karl Kuzis via CnC-List]

The reviews I have seen on YouTube for cruising boats seem positive.
Lifespan 10+ years, straight forward patch and repair and peel off removal.

Being a traditionalist, I had been hesitant to consider wraps but am
digging deeper as the pros seem to outweigh the cons, esp here in N. Idaho
where painters and working yards are sparce but there are vehicle wrappers
who have some boat wrapping experience. (Fred don't judge us, it's a BIG
lake).

Still weighing options as we are a couple of years (unless an option
becomes obvious)

Karl Kuzis
Firefly
C 29 Mk1
karl.ku...@gmail.com
Cell (360) 606-2099

On Wed, Aug 23, 2023, 8:48 AM Richard Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> As a follow up to Bill's questions about the wrapswhat is their life
> expectancy? What happens when you get into a dispute with a dock piling and
> the piling wins(don't ask how I know)...thanks!
>
> Richard
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
> (502) 584-7255
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:39:47 AM EDT, Bill Coleman via
> CnC-List  wrote:
>
>
> Those Wraps are intriguing, does anyone know what is involved in removing
> them?
>
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada, Erie PA
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 10:43 PM Karl Erickson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> A dock neighbor had just 1973 C$C 33 wrapped last year. Half the cost and
> it looks awesome. His name and the C stripe was part of it.
>
> Karl Erickson
>
> On Aug 22, 2023, at 4:02 PM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Another random idea
>
> Could  you consider a vinyl wrap?
>
> Firefly has the Red paint job from 1977ish and is umm showing her age.
> So while looking at painting we also started looking at options.
> The vinyl wrap is about half the paint cost and decent life span and
> repairable.
>
> For us, either is a couple of years off but does the group have any input
> or experience?
>
> Karl & Doris Kuzis
> C 29 Mk 1 - Firefly
>
> George Cone
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

As a follow up to Bill's questions about the wrapswhat is their life 
expectancy? What happens when you get into a dispute with a dock piling and the 
piling wins(don't ask how I know)...thanks!

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 11:39:47 AM EDT, Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Those Wraps are intriguing, does anyone know what is involved in removing them?
Bill ColemanEntrada, Erie PA

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 10:43 PM Karl Erickson via CnC-List 
 wrote:

A dock neighbor had just 1973 C$C 33 wrapped last year. Half the cost and it 
looks awesome. His name and the C stripe was part of it. 

Karl Erickson

On Aug 22, 2023, at 4:02 PM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List  
wrote:



Another random idea
Could  you consider a vinyl wrap?
Firefly has the Red paint job from 1977ish and is umm showing her age.So while 
looking at painting we also started looking at options. The vinyl wrap is about 
half the paint cost and decent life span and repairable. 
For us, either is a couple of years off but does the group have any input or 
experience? 
Karl & Doris Kuzis C 29 Mk 1 - Firefly 

George Cone


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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Those Wraps are intriguing, does anyone know what is involved in removing
them?

Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 10:43 PM Karl Erickson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> A dock neighbor had just 1973 C$C 33 wrapped last year. Half the cost and
> it looks awesome. His name and the C stripe was part of it.
>
> Karl Erickson
>
> On Aug 22, 2023, at 4:02 PM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> Another random idea
>
> Could  you consider a vinyl wrap?
>
> Firefly has the Red paint job from 1977ish and is umm showing her age.
> So while looking at painting we also started looking at options.
> The vinyl wrap is about half the paint cost and decent life span and
> repairable.
>
> For us, either is a couple of years off but does the group have any input
> or experience?
>
> Karl & Doris Kuzis
> C 29 Mk 1 - Firefly
>
> George Cone
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Karl Erickson via CnC-List]

A dock neighbor had just 1973 C$C 33 wrapped last year. Half the cost and it looks awesome. His name and the C stripe was part of it. Karl EricksonOn Aug 22, 2023, at 4:02 PM, Karl Kuzis via CnC-List  wrote:Another random ideaCould  you consider a vinyl wrap?Firefly has the Red paint job from 1977ish and is umm showing her age.So while looking at painting we also started looking at options. The vinyl wrap is about half the paint cost and decent life span and repairable. For us, either is a couple of years off but does the group have any input or experience? Karl & Doris Kuzis C 29 Mk 1 - Firefly On Tue, Aug 22, 2023, 1:21 PM rjcasciato--- via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:That stuff won't fit on the new boat??On Aug 22, 2023 3:04 PM, George Cone via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

I’m wrong again, it is custom gelcoat, made by Fibre Glast Developments Corp – we used their color chart to get the color
 
I’ll forward a photo of the can later.
 
I have all sorts of sheet, spinnaker sheets , sails spinnakers available also.

 
Thanks,
George 
 
 
 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>

Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 2:09 PM
To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Bill Coleman <colt...@gmail.com>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting

 


What kind of paint?


 


Bill Coleman


Erie PA

 


On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:34 PM George Cone via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:





One detail, I have / had a 1981 c  40 white, I had a quart of special paint made to do some patching. Unfortunately the boat was hit by lightning before the 4th of
 July so I have no further need for the paint, $20.00 and it is yours!
 
The boat was totaled due to hull penetrations  
 
Thanks,
 
George Cone

 











 
















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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[George Cone via CnC-List]

This boat did the Bermuda so I think the previous owner bought 2 of everything.

From: rjcasciato--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 4:20 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: rjcasci...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting

That stuff won't fit on the new boat??

On Aug 22, 2023 3:04 PM, George Cone via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I’m wrong again, it is custom gelcoat, made by Fibre Glast Developments Corp – 
we used their color chart to get the color



I’ll forward a photo of the can later.



I have all sorts of sheet, spinnaker sheets , sails spinnakers available also.



Thanks,

George







From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 2:09 PM
To: Stus-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Bill Coleman mailto:colt...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting



What kind of paint?



Bill Coleman

Erie PA



On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:34 PM George Cone via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

One detail, I have / had a 1981 c  40 white, I had a quart of special paint 
made to do some patching. Unfortunately the boat was hit by lightning before 
the 4th of July so I have no further need for the paint, $20.00 and it is yours!



The boat was totaled due to hull penetrations



Thanks,



George Cone





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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Karl Kuzis via CnC-List]

Another random idea

Could  you consider a vinyl wrap?

Firefly has the Red paint job from 1977ish and is umm showing her age.
So while looking at painting we also started looking at options.
The vinyl wrap is about half the paint cost and decent life span and
repairable.

For us, either is a couple of years off but does the group have any input
or experience?

Karl & Doris Kuzis
C 29 Mk 1 - Firefly


On Tue, Aug 22, 2023, 1:21 PM rjcasciato--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> That stuff won't fit on the new boat??
>
> On Aug 22, 2023 3:04 PM, George Cone via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> I’m wrong again, it is custom gelcoat, made by Fibre Glast Developments
> Corp – we used their color chart to get the color
>
>
>
> I’ll forward a photo of the can later.
>
>
>
> I have all sorts of sheet, spinnaker sheets , sails spinnakers available
> also.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> George
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2023 2:09 PM
> *To:* Stus-List 
> *Cc:* Bill Coleman 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Hull painting
>
>
>
> What kind of paint?
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> Erie PA
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:34 PM George Cone via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> One detail, I have / had a 1981 c  40 white, I had a quart of special
> paint made to do some patching. Unfortunately the boat was hit by lightning
> before the 4th of July so I have no further need for the paint, $20.00
> and it is yours!
>
>
>
> The boat was totaled due to hull penetrations
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> George Cone
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[rjcasciato--- via CnC-List]

That stuff won't fit on the new boat??On Aug 22, 2023 3:04 PM, George Cone via CnC-List  wrote:

I’m wrong again, it is custom gelcoat, made by Fibre Glast Developments Corp – we used their color chart to get the color
 
I’ll forward a photo of the can later.
 
I have all sorts of sheet, spinnaker sheets , sails spinnakers available also.

 
Thanks,
George 
 
 
 

From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 

Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 2:09 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting

 


What kind of paint?


 


Bill Coleman


Erie PA

 


On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:34 PM George Cone via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:





One detail, I have / had a 1981 c  40 white, I had a quart of special paint made to do some patching. Unfortunately the boat was hit by lightning before the 4th of
 July so I have no further need for the paint, $20.00 and it is yours!
 
The boat was totaled due to hull penetrations  
 
Thanks,
 
George Cone

 











 
















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[George Cone via CnC-List]

I’m wrong again, it is custom gelcoat, made by Fibre Glast Developments Corp – 
we used their color chart to get the color

I’ll forward a photo of the can later.

I have all sorts of sheet, spinnaker sheets , sails spinnakers available also.

Thanks,
George



From: Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 2:09 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Bill Coleman 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting

What kind of paint?

Bill Coleman
Erie PA

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:34 PM George Cone via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
One detail, I have / had a 1981 c  40 white, I had a quart of special paint 
made to do some patching. Unfortunately the boat was hit by lightning before 
the 4th of July so I have no further need for the paint, $20.00 and it is yours!

The boat was totaled due to hull penetrations

Thanks,

George Cone


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[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

What kind of paint?

Bill Coleman
Erie PA

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 1:34 PM George Cone via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> One detail, I have / had a 1981 c  40 white, I had a quart of special
> paint made to do some patching. Unfortunately the boat was hit by lightning
> before the 4th of July so I have no further need for the paint, $20.00
> and it is yours!
>
>
>
> The boat was totaled due to hull penetrations
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> George Cone
>
>
> 
>
>
>
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[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

Glen, if I had the wherewithall

Richard
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Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 12:30:59 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting JK; that is cool! I didn't know it was 
available: is this something I can purchase? I'll take two! let me know!

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255


On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 06:27:20 AM EDT, Motion Designs Limited via 
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This will give a reference for original C colours

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www.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752


One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well.

As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

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[George Cone via CnC-List]

One detail, I have / had a 1981 c  40 white, I had a quart of special paint 
made to do some patching. Unfortunately the boat was hit by lightning before 
the 4th of July so I have no further need for the paint, $20.00 and it is yours!

The boat was totaled due to hull penetrations

Thanks,

George Cone

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 12:31 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting

JK; that is cool! I didn't know it was available: is this something I can 
purchase? I'll take two! let me know!

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


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This will give a reference for original C colours

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One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well.

As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

Richard
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[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Our Awlgrip paint job on Persistence was replaced with Awlcraft 2000 this past 
year.  The difference is that Awlcraft can be buffed so repair is much simpler 
than with Awlgrip which cannot be buffed.

The Flag Blue will be stunning but will also show water spots to a degree that 
will drive you nuts

Mike Hoyt
Persistence
Halifax, NS
www.hoytsailing.com

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 1:52 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting

Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair damages to our hull (1985 C 
37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and 
laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the 
waterline

Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985 C 
37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and 
laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the 
waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the 
part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed.  The 
boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and 
that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it 
has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than 
the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back 
with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that 
Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired 
more easily.  They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a 
base coat and clear coating over the color coat.
Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of 
course); or Imron vs Awlgrip:

Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community 
and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the 
repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!)

One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well.

As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255



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[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

JK; that is cool! I didn't know it was available: is this something I can 
purchase? I'll take two! let me know!

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 06:27:20 AM EDT, Motion Designs Limited via 
CnC-List  wrote:  
 
 This will give a reference for original C colours

| 
| C Colour Chartmotiondesignslimited.com |  |

 |



www.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752


One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. 

As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

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[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

Dennis; I'll do better than that..I will forward all of these email to him! and 
Thank You!

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 07:40:00 AM EDT, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 I had Touche' painted with Awlcraft 2000 because of the ease of repair.  It 
was damaged in Hurricane Sally.  Both port and starboard.  I had the entire 
boat repainted.
Got some scratches on the starboard side a couple years ago in Hurricane Ida.  
Had it repaired last year.  The painter only sprayed the damaged area and a bit 
more.  The Awlcraft repaired well. The painter taped the area off rather than 
feathering it out.  Matched well but I can see the tape line up close.  From 20 
feet you can't.  Color is red so some minor fading was expected.
It was rumoured that Touche' had been painted with Imron prior to my purchasing 
it.  Can't really comment because it was never verified.  I sanded the topsides 
prior to the Awlcraft.
Discuss with your painter his process for priming prior to applying any topcoat.
 --Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA


On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:52 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985 C 
37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and 
laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the 
waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the 
part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed.  The 
boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and 
that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it 
has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than 
the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back 
with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that 
Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired 
more easily.  They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a 
base coat and clear coating over the color coat.  Does anyone on the list have 
any experience with Imron paints (marine, of course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: 

Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community 
and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the 
repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) 

One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. 

As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

  
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[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

Brian, thanks I will recommend that to the painters; 

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 11:41:01 AM EDT, nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 
Richard, 

  

I am looking at a potential next boat which might need some topside painting, 
and a very knowledgeable friend said while Awlgrip is the hardest surface, the 
pigment is not consistent through the paint thickness which makes any scratches 
more apparent.  Awlcraft, while a little softer surface, is easier to apply 
initially and repair in the future. 

  

FWIW - He had his last 2 boats painted with Alexseal and they looked great 
after 8 years.  Easy to apply and can be repaired.  

  

Brian

  

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 11:25 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting

  

Danny; thanks, that's good to know; I think our big problem is a lack of 
experience with Awlgrip around here...; I'll take a look at the stars and 
stripes blue on the chart!

  

Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255

  

  

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 06:21:29 AM EDT, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote: 

  

  

Hi Richard, 

1st, I'm sorry for the ordeal you're going through.  I had a similar episode a 
few years ago.  I haven't heard anything about iron but, awlgrip is repairable. 
 Certain colors are more difficult to blend but, I've never heard anyone say 
awgrip couldn't be repaired.  There is also awlcraft 2000 which is supposed to 
be easier to repair.  When I had Rum Runner painted we went with awgrip on the 
top sides and awlcraft 2000 for the deck and mast.  I was very happy with the 
results. 

  

As far as color, flag blue is always stunning.  We went with stars and stripes 
blue on Rum Runner.  It's a beautiful color but, it's one that's hard to blend. 
 However, there were some repairs done to that and, it wasn't that bad to my 
eye.  Awlgrip is a really tough finish.  I'm not sure if I'd go for something 
else given awlgrip's history and reputation.  UNLESS, there was a huge cost 
savings in the product and they could point me to happy customers with the iron.

  

Best of luck! 

Danny

  

On Aug 22, 2023 12:51 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List  
wrote:


Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985 C 
37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and 
laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the 
waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the 
part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed.  The 
boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and 
that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it 
has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than 
the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back 
with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that 
Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired 
more easily.  They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a 
base coat and clear coating over the color coat.  

Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of 
course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: 

  

Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community 
and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the 
repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) 

  

One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. 

  

As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

  

Richard

1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

  

Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255

  

  

  

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[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Agree re Alexseal.  I saw a boat recently that owner painted with a brush using 
Alexseal.  Beautiful.

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From: nausetbeach--- via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 7:40:29 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: nausetbe...@optonline.net 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting


Richard,



I am looking at a potential next boat which might need some topside painting, 
and a very knowledgeable friend said while Awlgrip is the hardest surface, the 
pigment is not consistent through the paint thickness which makes any scratches 
more apparent.  Awlcraft, while a little softer surface, is easier to apply 
initially and repair in the future.



FWIW - He had his last 2 boats painted with Alexseal and they looked great 
after 8 years.  Easy to apply and can be repaired.



Brian



From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 11:25 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting



Danny; thanks, that's good to know; I think our big problem is a lack of 
experience with Awlgrip around here...; I'll take a look at the stars and 
stripes blue on the chart!



Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255





On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 06:21:29 AM EDT, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:





Hi Richard,

1st, I'm sorry for the ordeal you're going through.  I had a similar episode a 
few years ago.  I haven't heard anything about iron but, awlgrip is repairable. 
 Certain colors are more difficult to blend but, I've never heard anyone say 
awgrip couldn't be repaired.  There is also awlcraft 2000 which is supposed to 
be easier to repair.  When I had Rum Runner painted we went with awgrip on the 
top sides and awlcraft 2000 for the deck and mast.  I was very happy with the 
results.



As far as color, flag blue is always stunning.  We went with stars and stripes 
blue on Rum Runner.  It's a beautiful color but, it's one that's hard to blend. 
 However, there were some repairs done to that and, it wasn't that bad to my 
eye.  Awlgrip is a really tough finish.  I'm not sure if I'd go for something 
else given awlgrip's history and reputation.  UNLESS, there was a huge cost 
savings in the product and they could point me to happy customers with the iron.



Best of luck!

Danny



On Aug 22, 2023 12:51 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985 C 
37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and 
laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the 
waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the 
part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed.  The 
boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and 
that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it 
has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than 
the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back 
with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that 
Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired 
more easily.  They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a 
base coat and clear coating over the color coat.

Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of 
course); or Imron vs Awlgrip:



Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community 
and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the 
repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!)



One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well.



As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!



Richard

1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;



Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

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[nausetbeach--- via CnC-List]

Richard, 

 

I am looking at a potential next boat which might need some topside painting, 
and a very knowledgeable friend said while Awlgrip is the hardest surface, the 
pigment is not consistent through the paint thickness which makes any scratches 
more apparent.  Awlcraft, while a little softer surface, is easier to apply 
initially and repair in the future. 

 

FWIW - He had his last 2 boats painted with Alexseal and they looked great 
after 8 years.  Easy to apply and can be repaired.  

 

Brian

 

From: Richard Bush via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 11:25 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting

 

Danny; thanks, that's good to know; I think our big problem is a lack of 
experience with Awlgrip around here...; I'll take a look at the stars and 
stripes blue on the chart!

 

Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255

 

 

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 06:21:29 AM EDT, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hi Richard, 

1st, I'm sorry for the ordeal you're going through.  I had a similar episode a 
few years ago.  I haven't heard anything about iron but, awlgrip is repairable. 
 Certain colors are more difficult to blend but, I've never heard anyone say 
awgrip couldn't be repaired.  There is also awlcraft 2000 which is supposed to 
be easier to repair.  When I had Rum Runner painted we went with awgrip on the 
top sides and awlcraft 2000 for the deck and mast.  I was very happy with the 
results. 

 

As far as color, flag blue is always stunning.  We went with stars and stripes 
blue on Rum Runner.  It's a beautiful color but, it's one that's hard to blend. 
 However, there were some repairs done to that and, it wasn't that bad to my 
eye.  Awlgrip is a really tough finish.  I'm not sure if I'd go for something 
else given awlgrip's history and reputation.  UNLESS, there was a huge cost 
savings in the product and they could point me to happy customers with the iron.

 

Best of luck! 

Danny

 

On Aug 22, 2023 12:51 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985 C 
37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and 
laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the 
waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the 
part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed.  The 
boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and 
that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it 
has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than 
the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back 
with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that 
Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired 
more easily.  They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a 
base coat and clear coating over the color coat.  

Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of 
course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: 

 

Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community 
and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the 
repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) 

 

One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. 

 

As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

 

Richard

1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255

 

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Korbey Hunt via CnC-List]

Recommend Alex seal paint.

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From: Richard Bush via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 7:25:15 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting

Danny; thanks, that's good to know; I think our big problem is a lack of 
experience with Awlgrip around here...; I'll take a look at the stars and 
stripes blue on the chart!

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255


On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 06:21:29 AM EDT, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Hi Richard,
1st, I'm sorry for the ordeal you're going through.  I had a similar episode a 
few years ago.  I haven't heard anything about iron but, awlgrip is repairable. 
 Certain colors are more difficult to blend but, I've never heard anyone say 
awgrip couldn't be repaired.  There is also awlcraft 2000 which is supposed to 
be easier to repair.  When I had Rum Runner painted we went with awgrip on the 
top sides and awlcraft 2000 for the deck and mast.  I was very happy with the 
results.

As far as color, flag blue is always stunning.  We went with stars and stripes 
blue on Rum Runner.  It's a beautiful color but, it's one that's hard to blend. 
 However, there were some repairs done to that and, it wasn't that bad to my 
eye.  Awlgrip is a really tough finish.  I'm not sure if I'd go for something 
else given awlgrip's history and reputation.  UNLESS, there was a huge cost 
savings in the product and they could point me to happy customers with the iron.

Best of luck!
Danny

On Aug 22, 2023 12:51 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List  
wrote:
Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985 C 
37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and 
laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the 
waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the 
part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed.  The 
boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and 
that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it 
has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than 
the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back 
with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that 
Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired 
more easily.  They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a 
base coat and clear coating over the color coat.
Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of 
course); or Imron vs Awlgrip:

Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community 
and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the 
repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!)

One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well.

As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220
(502) 584-7255



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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

Danny; thanks, that's good to know; I think our big problem is a lack of 
experience with Awlgrip around here...; I'll take a look at the stars and 
stripes blue on the chart!

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 06:21:29 AM EDT, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Richard, 1st, I'm sorry for the ordeal you're going through.  I had a 
similar episode a few years ago.  I haven't heard anything about iron but, 
awlgrip is repairable.  Certain colors are more difficult to blend but, I've 
never heard anyone say awgrip couldn't be repaired.  There is also awlcraft 
2000 which is supposed to be easier to repair.  When I had Rum Runner painted 
we went with awgrip on the top sides and awlcraft 2000 for the deck and mast.  
I was very happy with the results. 
As far as color, flag blue is always stunning.  We went with stars and stripes 
blue on Rum Runner.  It's a beautiful color but, it's one that's hard to blend. 
 However, there were some repairs done to that and, it wasn't that bad to my 
eye.  Awlgrip is a really tough finish.  I'm not sure if I'd go for something 
else given awlgrip's history and reputation.  UNLESS, there was a huge cost 
savings in the product and they could point me to happy customers with the iron.
Best of luck! Danny
On Aug 22, 2023 12:51 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List  
wrote:

Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985 C 
37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and 
laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the 
waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the 
part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed.  The 
boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and 
that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it 
has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than 
the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back 
with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that 
Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired 
more easily.  They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a 
base coat and clear coating over the color coat.  Does anyone on the list have 
any experience with Imron paints (marine, of course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: 

Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community 
and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the 
repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) 

One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. 

As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

  
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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

Matt, thanks, that's encouraging!

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 07:30:31 AM EDT, Matt Wolford via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 
My first boat was a Ranger 26 that I bought around 1990.  It had fallen into a 
state of disrepair and needed a lot of work, including a paint job.  The guy 
who painted it also suggested Imron because scratches can be repaired more 
easily.  As I recall, the paint was developed for cars.  In any event, we 
painted the boat white with Imron.  It is on its second owner since me, and the 
paint job has held up well for over 30 years. 

  

From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 6:20 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: djhaug...@juno.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting

  

Hi Richard, 

1st, I'm sorry for the ordeal you're going through.  I had a similar episode a 
few years ago.  I haven't heard anything about iron but, awlgrip is repairable. 
 Certain colors are more difficult to blend but, I've never heard anyone say 
awgrip couldn't be repaired.  There is also awlcraft 2000 which is supposed to 
be easier to repair.  When I had Rum Runner painted we went with awgrip on the 
top sides and awlcraft 2000 for the deck and mast.  I was very happy with the 
results. 

  

As far as color, flag blue is always stunning.  We went with stars and stripes 
blue on Rum Runner.  It's a beautiful color but, it's one that's hard to blend. 
 However, there were some repairs done to that and, it wasn't that bad to my 
eye.  Awlgrip is a really tough finish.  I'm not sure if I'd go for something 
else given awlgrip's history and reputation.  UNLESS, there was a huge cost 
savings in the product and they could point me to happy customers with the iron.

  

Best of luck! 

Danny

  

On Aug 22, 2023 12:51 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List  
wrote:


Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985 C 
37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and 
laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the 
waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the 
part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed.  The 
boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and 
that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it 
has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than 
the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back 
with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that 
Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired 
more easily.  They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a 
base coat and clear coating over the color coat.  

Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of 
course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: 

  

Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community 
and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the 
repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) 

  

One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. 

  

As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

  

Richard

1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

  

Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255

  

  

  

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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

Charlie, thanks, I'll take a look at the Aristo blue on the chart! We are 
committed to repainting the entire hull at this point, so at least it will all 
match for a while!

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 08:54:11 AM EDT, cenel...@aol.com 
 wrote:  
 
 I had Water Phantom repainted 10+ years ago with Awlgrip—used Aristo Blue 
since the Flag Blue original color was so dark as to be almost black and I 
wanted something brighter.
Several years in (5?) after a serious encounter with a piling caused by trying 
to dock her in a flood tide running perpendicular to the slip, her port side 
was seriously banged up abeam about 6 ft by 3 ft section.
The yard (mostly sailboats) was managed by a former boat painter.
He repaired it properly and so well that after he was done, I could not tell 
where the repair was done with my hands or eyes closeup!  Whether he feathered 
or matched I don’t know but he did it so well it was “…like it never even 
happen…” as he said his goal was with such repairs.
if your painter is capable of such work, you should not be able to see his 
repair, especially at the 10 ft away distance IMHO. If he is not very skilled, 
it might be wise to do the entire half hull at a minimum—after all, it’s hard 
to compare hull sides in or out of the water with one set of eyes!
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom




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On Tuesday, August 22, 2023, 12:52 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985 C 
37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and 
laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the 
waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the 
part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed.  The 
boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and 
that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it 
has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than 
the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back 
with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that 
Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired 
more easily.  They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a 
base coat and clear coating over the color coat.  Does anyone on the list have 
any experience with Imron paints (marine, of course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: 

Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community 
and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the 
repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) 

One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. 

As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

  
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[cenelson--- via CnC-List]

I had Water Phantom repainted 10+ years ago with Awlgrip—used Aristo Blue since 
the Flag Blue original color was so dark as to be almost black and I wanted 
something brighter.
Several years in (5?) after a serious encounter with a piling caused by trying 
to dock her in a flood tide running perpendicular to the slip, her port side 
was seriously banged up abeam about 6 ft by 3 ft section.
The yard (mostly sailboats) was managed by a former boat painter.
He repaired it properly and so well that after he was done, I could not tell 
where the repair was done with my hands or eyes closeup!  Whether he feathered 
or matched I don’t know but he did it so well it was “…like it never even 
happen…” as he said his goal was with such repairs.
if your painter is capable of such work, you should not be able to see his 
repair, especially at the 10 ft away distance IMHO. If he is not very skilled, 
it might be wise to do the entire half hull at a minimum—after all, it’s hard 
to compare hull sides in or out of the water with one set of eyes!
Charlie NelsonWater Phantom




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On Tuesday, August 22, 2023, 12:52 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985 C 
37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and 
laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the 
waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the 
part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed.  The 
boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and 
that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it 
has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than 
the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back 
with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that 
Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired 
more easily.  They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a 
base coat and clear coating over the color coat.  Does anyone on the list have 
any experience with Imron paints (marine, of course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: 

Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community 
and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the 
repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) 

One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. 

As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

  
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[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I had Touche' painted with Awlcraft 2000 because of the ease of repair.  It
was damaged in Hurricane Sally.  Both port and starboard.  I had the entire
boat repainted.

Got some scratches on the starboard side a couple years ago in Hurricane
Ida.  Had it repaired last year.  The painter only sprayed the damaged area
and a bit more.  The Awlcraft repaired well. The painter taped the area off
rather than feathering it out.  Matched well but I can see the tape line up
close.  From 20 feet you can't.  Color is red so some minor fading was
expected.

It was rumoured that Touche' had been painted with Imron prior to my
purchasing it.  Can't really comment because it was never verified.  I
sanded the topsides prior to the Awlcraft.

Discuss with your painter his process for priming prior to applying any
topcoat.

 --
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:52 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985
> C 37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm
> and laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat
> from the waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we
> are nearing the part of our project where painting the hull topsides is
> being discussed.  The boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago
> (prior to our ownership), and that finish has held up well. Also, because
> of the paint being 10 years old, it has been "strongly recommended" that
> the entire hull be repainted, rather than the damaged area only, with which
> we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back with the same Awlgrip product,
> however, the repair people have suggested that Imron would be a better
> product because scratches and dings can be repaired more easily.  They
> advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a base coat and
> clear coating over the color coat.
> Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of
> course); or Imron vs Awlgrip:
>
> Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating
> community and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the
> boat to the repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!)
>
> One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know
> the name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going
> back with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well.
>
> As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!
>
> Richard
> 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;
>
> Richard N. Bush Law Offices
> 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
> Louisville, Kentucky 40220
> (502) 584-7255
>
>
>
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
> Thanks for your help.
> Stu
> Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and
> help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:
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> Thanks for your help.
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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Matt Wolford via CnC-List]

My first boat was a Ranger 26 that I bought around 1990.  It had fallen into a 
state of disrepair and needed a lot of work, including a paint job.  The guy 
who painted it also suggested Imron because scratches can be repaired more 
easily.  As I recall, the paint was developed for cars.  In any event, we 
painted the boat white with Imron.  It is on its second owner since me, and the 
paint job has held up well for over 30 years. 

 

From: Danny Haughey via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 6:20 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: djhaug...@juno.com
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hull painting

 

Hi Richard, 

1st, I'm sorry for the ordeal you're going through.  I had a similar episode a 
few years ago.  I haven't heard anything about iron but, awlgrip is repairable. 
 Certain colors are more difficult to blend but, I've never heard anyone say 
awgrip couldn't be repaired.  There is also awlcraft 2000 which is supposed to 
be easier to repair.  When I had Rum Runner painted we went with awgrip on the 
top sides and awlcraft 2000 for the deck and mast.  I was very happy with the 
results. 

 

As far as color, flag blue is always stunning.  We went with stars and stripes 
blue on Rum Runner.  It's a beautiful color but, it's one that's hard to blend. 
 However, there were some repairs done to that and, it wasn't that bad to my 
eye.  Awlgrip is a really tough finish.  I'm not sure if I'd go for something 
else given awlgrip's history and reputation.  UNLESS, there was a huge cost 
savings in the product and they could point me to happy customers with the iron.

 

Best of luck! 

Danny

 

On Aug 22, 2023 12:51 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985 C 
37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and 
laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the 
waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the 
part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed.  The 
boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and 
that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it 
has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than 
the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back 
with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that 
Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired 
more easily.  They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a 
base coat and clear coating over the color coat.  

Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of 
course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: 

 

Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community 
and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the 
repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) 

 

One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. 

 

As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

 

Richard

1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine

Louisville, Kentucky 40220

(502) 584-7255

 

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Motion Designs Limited via CnC-List]

This will give a reference for original C coloursC Colour Chartmotiondesignslimited.comwww.candcyachts.comMotion Designs Limited647 990 7752One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!Richard1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Richard, 1st, I'm sorry for the ordeal you're going through.  I had a similar episode a few years ago.  I haven't heard anything about iron but, awlgrip is repairable.  Certain colors are more difficult to blend but, I've never heard anyone say awgrip couldn't be repaired.  There is also awlcraft 2000 which is supposed to be easier to repair.  When I had Rum Runner painted we went with awgrip on the top sides and awlcraft 2000 for the deck and mast.  I was very happy with the results. As far as color, flag blue is always stunning.  We went with stars and stripes blue on Rum Runner.  It's a beautiful color but, it's one that's hard to blend.  However, there were some repairs done to that and, it wasn't that bad to my eye.  Awlgrip is a really tough finish.  I'm not sure if I'd go for something else given awlgrip's history and reputation.  UNLESS, there was a huge cost savings in the product and they could point me to happy customers with the iron.Best of luck! DannyOn Aug 22, 2023 12:51 AM, Richard Bush via CnC-List  wrote:Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985 C 37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed.  The boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired more easily.  They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a base coat and clear coating over the color coat.  Does anyone on the list have any experience with Imron paints (marine, of course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!Richard1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255




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Stus-List Re: Hull painting

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

Hi all, we are in the midst of trying to repair  damages to our hull (1985 C 
37 CB) which stemmed from another boat parting its dock line in a storm and 
laying against our hull for 2+ hours, tearing the paint and gelcoat from the 
waterline to the rub rail. It's a long tale of woe, however, we are nearing the 
part of our project where painting the hull topsides is being discussed.  The 
boat was painted with Awlgrip about 10 years ago (prior to our ownership), and 
that finish has held up well. Also, because of the paint being 10 years old, it 
has been "strongly recommended" that the entire hull be repainted, rather than 
the damaged area only, with which we agree. I "assumed" that we would go back 
with the same Awlgrip product, however, the repair people have suggested that 
Imron would be a better product because scratches and dings can be repaired 
more easily.  They advised that the old Awlgrip would be sanded off and the a 
base coat and clear coating over the color coat.  Does anyone on the list have 
any experience with Imron paints (marine, of course); or Imron vs Awlgrip: 

Another qualifier is that our area (Ohio River) is not a big boating community 
and there are few boating repair facilities here; (getting the boat to the 
repair facility is a whole other story all by itself!) 

One last point, is, color; our hull is the C factory white, don;t know the 
name, but its an off-white almost cream color; we are thinking of going back 
with flag blue or navy blue; any thoughts here are welcome as well. 

As always, thank you and let me know if you have any questions!

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

  
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