Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?, also 34 & 35-2

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks, Neil. Offer made subject to sea trial and survey. I am comfortable
doing my own mechanical assessment, as the boat has a VW diesel (custom
marinized, not Pathfinder) which I am more familiar with than any typical
marine mechanic. The other interested party just had a mechanical survey
done, and apparently he was told that it would not be eligible for
commercial insurance, presumably due to the engine not being customized by
a recognized builder. While I realize this is a risk, after speaking with
the previous owner for over an hour, I am confident that I can deal with
any issues. The engine was installed in 1995, rebuilt during a refit in
2003, and has gone over 4000 hrs total as installed, so I think this is a
pretty good testament to the install. Worst case, I drop in a 30hp Beta for
$9K, find a used marine engine for $2-4K, or replace the VW engine for
$1000 or so.

Now I just have to wait to see if the other buyer goes ahead, or if I get a
chance to get the boat.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 7:44 PM Neil Andersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> BTW - Your offer, like all offers, should include a survey, sea trial, &
> optional mechanical survey.
>
> Your broker, if you have one, should help with the process.   For the
> record, I am a yacht broker.
>
> Neil Andersen
> 1982 C 32 FoxFire
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> Neil Andersen
> 20691 Jamieson Rd
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Bruno
> Lachance via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2019 9:57 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Bruno Lachance
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?, also 34 & 35-2
>
> Shawn, the owner is right, there is ALWAYS something needing attention.
> It's a boat. At least he is not trying to convince you everything is
> perfect with rainbows and unicorns!
>
> Make an offer, the worst that can happen is a no thank you. We are cheap
> cruisers in Canada but polite ones! ;)
>
> Good luck.
>
> Bruno Lachance
> Bécassine, 33-2
> New- Richmond, Qc
>
>
> Envoyé de mon iPad
>
> Le 18 avr. 2019 à 21:37, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
> a écrit :
>
> Thanks John. It seems there is an error at sailboatdata.com regarding the
> 34 being a Bruce King design. It's interesting, because I wouldn't have
> noticed except someone from an Ericson list pointed me toward one,
> mentioning that it was a BK design. As I like both BK and RB/C designs,
> it doesn't really matter to me, but it does emphasize to not trust
> everything you read online!
>
> As it happens, we might be making an offer on the 35-2 we looked at in
> January. Still mulling it over, as we're in a tough spot where making an
> offer might just force the other interested party to make a higher offer,
> and any offer we make will be as high as we can go; I am not going to get
> into a bidding war. While I really like the boat, I just spent over an hour
> on the phone with the previous owner of 32 years, and even he admitted that
> since the major refit he did in 2003, there will be things needing
> attention just due to age. But all the weak points have been addressed -
> mast step, every hole epoxy filled & drilled, epoxy barrier coat, etc.
>
> Sorry, there I go again, changing the tack of the thread... oops!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 6:03 PM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Shawn
>>
>>
>>
>> FWIW, there is a designer’s commentary on the 34 by Rob Ball as the
>> designer.  I also believe he owns one here on Buzzard’s Bay.  There is also
>> a posting today on this list of a 34 for sale very inexpensively.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Shawn
>> Wright via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:15 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Shawn Wright
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, John. I like the 34, and it's the only C designed by Bruce
>> King, whose designs I really like, in addition to Rob Ball and C But
>> there is only one near me on the West Coast. It's in Gig Harbour, Wa and
>> the price is a bit more than our budget at 30K USD, although with a tiller,
>> it might be a slow seller. Beautiful boat, and the tiller wouldn't bother
>> me at all, except the cockpit seating is designed for a wheel. I don't know
>> that there is a C model between 29 and 38 that wouldn't be a good fit;
>> it's just finding one near me at a decent price is the problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> This 1970 35-1 is interesting, and 

Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?, also 34 & 35-2

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

BTW - Your offer, like all offers, should include a survey, sea trial, & 
optional mechanical survey.

Your broker, if you have one, should help with the process.   For the record, I 
am a yacht broker.

Neil Andersen
1982 C 32 FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Bruno Lachance via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 9:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Bruno Lachance
Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?, also 34 & 35-2

Shawn, the owner is right, there is ALWAYS something needing attention. It's a 
boat. At least he is not trying to convince you everything is perfect with 
rainbows and unicorns!

Make an offer, the worst that can happen is a no thank you. We are cheap 
cruisers in Canada but polite ones! ;)

Good luck.

Bruno Lachance
Bécassine, 33-2
New- Richmond, Qc


Envoyé de mon iPad

Le 18 avr. 2019 à 21:37, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> a écrit :

Thanks John. It seems there is an error at 
sailboatdata.com<http://sailboatdata.com> regarding the 34 being a Bruce King 
design. It's interesting, because I wouldn't have noticed except someone from 
an Ericson list pointed me toward one, mentioning that it was a BK design. As I 
like both BK and RB/C designs, it doesn't really matter to me, but it does 
emphasize to not trust everything you read online!

As it happens, we might be making an offer on the 35-2 we looked at in January. 
Still mulling it over, as we're in a tough spot where making an offer might 
just force the other interested party to make a higher offer, and any offer we 
make will be as high as we can go; I am not going to get into a bidding war. 
While I really like the boat, I just spent over an hour on the phone with the 
previous owner of 32 years, and even he admitted that since the major refit he 
did in 2003, there will be things needing attention just due to age. But all 
the weak points have been addressed - mast step, every hole epoxy filled & 
drilled, epoxy barrier coat, etc.

Sorry, there I go again, changing the tack of the thread... oops!



On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 6:03 PM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi Shawn

FWIW, there is a designer’s commentary on the 34 by Rob Ball as the designer.  
I also believe he owns one here on Buzzard’s Bay.  There is also a posting 
today on this list of a 34 for sale very inexpensively.

John

From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On 
Behalf Of Shawn Wright via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

Thanks, John. I like the 34, and it's the only C designed by Bruce King, 
whose designs I really like, in addition to Rob Ball and C But there is only 
one near me on the West Coast. It's in Gig Harbour, Wa and the price is a bit 
more than our budget at 30K USD, although with a tiller, it might be a slow 
seller. Beautiful boat, and the tiller wouldn't bother me at all, except the 
cockpit seating is designed for a wheel. I don't know that there is a C model 
between 29 and 38 that wouldn't be a good fit; it's just finding one near me at 
a decent price is the problem.

This 1970 35-1 is interesting, and I will take a look if we go to Vancouver to 
see the 29 that is listed at the same broker (not on YW).
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1970/c-c-35-3530795/?refSource=standard%20listing

I understand the 35-1 is lighter with shorter LWL, rates a tiny bit slower, but 
maybe better in light air. The rudder is less effective than the later blade. 
Not sure of other differences aside from minor cosmetics.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 4:16 AM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi Shawn

Have you considered a C??  Owned ours for 20 years and love it.  Sails like 
a dream.  Easily handled by 2.  Great layout.  Full headroom, enclosed head 
with shower, 3 burner propane stove with oven, large ice box, hot & cold 
pressurized water, full length bunks.  Cruises 4 well including their gear.  No 
generic build or design issues.  There are several on Yachtworld attractively 
priced.  The later hull numbers have a better interior finish (475 built).   Of 
course at this vintage individual condition may vary.
My 2 cents American

John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C 34
Noank, CT

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Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?, also 34 & 35-2

[Bruno Lachance via CnC-List]

Shawn, the owner is right, there is ALWAYS something needing attention. It's a 
boat. At least he is not trying to convince you everything is perfect with 
rainbows and unicorns!

Make an offer, the worst that can happen is a no thank you. We are cheap 
cruisers in Canada but polite ones! ;)

Good luck.

Bruno Lachance
Bécassine, 33-2
New- Richmond, Qc


Envoyé de mon iPad

Le 18 avr. 2019 à 21:37, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> a écrit :

Thanks John. It seems there is an error at 
sailboatdata.com<http://sailboatdata.com> regarding the 34 being a Bruce King 
design. It's interesting, because I wouldn't have noticed except someone from 
an Ericson list pointed me toward one, mentioning that it was a BK design. As I 
like both BK and RB/C designs, it doesn't really matter to me, but it does 
emphasize to not trust everything you read online!

As it happens, we might be making an offer on the 35-2 we looked at in January. 
Still mulling it over, as we're in a tough spot where making an offer might 
just force the other interested party to make a higher offer, and any offer we 
make will be as high as we can go; I am not going to get into a bidding war. 
While I really like the boat, I just spent over an hour on the phone with the 
previous owner of 32 years, and even he admitted that since the major refit he 
did in 2003, there will be things needing attention just due to age. But all 
the weak points have been addressed - mast step, every hole epoxy filled & 
drilled, epoxy barrier coat, etc.

Sorry, there I go again, changing the tack of the thread... oops!



On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 6:03 PM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi Shawn

FWIW, there is a designer’s commentary on the 34 by Rob Ball as the designer.  
I also believe he owns one here on Buzzard’s Bay.  There is also a posting 
today on this list of a 34 for sale very inexpensively.

John

From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On 
Behalf Of Shawn Wright via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

Thanks, John. I like the 34, and it's the only C designed by Bruce King, 
whose designs I really like, in addition to Rob Ball and C But there is only 
one near me on the West Coast. It's in Gig Harbour, Wa and the price is a bit 
more than our budget at 30K USD, although with a tiller, it might be a slow 
seller. Beautiful boat, and the tiller wouldn't bother me at all, except the 
cockpit seating is designed for a wheel. I don't know that there is a C model 
between 29 and 38 that wouldn't be a good fit; it's just finding one near me at 
a decent price is the problem.

This 1970 35-1 is interesting, and I will take a look if we go to Vancouver to 
see the 29 that is listed at the same broker (not on YW).
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1970/c-c-35-3530795/?refSource=standard%20listing

I understand the 35-1 is lighter with shorter LWL, rates a tiny bit slower, but 
maybe better in light air. The rudder is less effective than the later blade. 
Not sure of other differences aside from minor cosmetics.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 4:16 AM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi Shawn

Have you considered a C??  Owned ours for 20 years and love it.  Sails like 
a dream.  Easily handled by 2.  Great layout.  Full headroom, enclosed head 
with shower, 3 burner propane stove with oven, large ice box, hot & cold 
pressurized water, full length bunks.  Cruises 4 well including their gear.  No 
generic build or design issues.  There are several on Yachtworld attractively 
priced.  The later hull numbers have a better interior finish (475 built).   Of 
course at this vintage individual condition may vary.
My 2 cents American

John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C 34
Noank, CT

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Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?, also 34 & 35-2

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks John. It seems there is an error at sailboatdata.com regarding the
34 being a Bruce King design. It's interesting, because I wouldn't have
noticed except someone from an Ericson list pointed me toward one,
mentioning that it was a BK design. As I like both BK and RB/C designs,
it doesn't really matter to me, but it does emphasize to not trust
everything you read online!

As it happens, we might be making an offer on the 35-2 we looked at in
January. Still mulling it over, as we're in a tough spot where making an
offer might just force the other interested party to make a higher offer,
and any offer we make will be as high as we can go; I am not going to get
into a bidding war. While I really like the boat, I just spent over an hour
on the phone with the previous owner of 32 years, and even he admitted that
since the major refit he did in 2003, there will be things needing
attention just due to age. But all the weak points have been addressed -
mast step, every hole epoxy filled & drilled, epoxy barrier coat, etc.

Sorry, there I go again, changing the tack of the thread... oops!



On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 6:03 PM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Shawn
>
>
>
> FWIW, there is a designer’s commentary on the 34 by Rob Ball as the
> designer.  I also believe he owns one here on Buzzard’s Bay.  There is also
> a posting today on this list of a 34 for sale very inexpensively.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Shawn
> Wright via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:15 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Shawn Wright
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?
>
>
>
> Thanks, John. I like the 34, and it's the only C designed by Bruce King,
> whose designs I really like, in addition to Rob Ball and C But there is
> only one near me on the West Coast. It's in Gig Harbour, Wa and the price
> is a bit more than our budget at 30K USD, although with a tiller, it might
> be a slow seller. Beautiful boat, and the tiller wouldn't bother me at all,
> except the cockpit seating is designed for a wheel. I don't know that there
> is a C model between 29 and 38 that wouldn't be a good fit; it's just
> finding one near me at a decent price is the problem.
>
>
>
> This 1970 35-1 is interesting, and I will take a look if we go to
> Vancouver to see the 29 that is listed at the same broker (not on YW).
>
>
> https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1970/c-c-35-3530795/?refSource=standard%20listing
>
>
>
> I understand the 35-1 is lighter with shorter LWL, rates a tiny bit
> slower, but maybe better in light air. The rudder is less effective than
> the later blade. Not sure of other differences aside from minor cosmetics.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 4:16 AM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Shawn
>
>
>
> Have you considered a C??  Owned ours for 20 years and love it.  Sails
> like a dream.  Easily handled by 2.  Great layout.  Full headroom, enclosed
> head with shower, 3 burner propane stove with oven, large ice box, hot &
> cold pressurized water, full length bunks.  Cruises 4 well including their
> gear.  No generic build or design issues.  There are several on Yachtworld
> attractively priced.  The later hull numbers have a better interior finish
> (475 built).   Of course at this vintage individual condition may vary.
>
> My 2 cents American
>
>
>
> John and Maryann
>
> Legacy III
>
> 1982 C 34
>
> Noank, CT
>
>
>
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>
> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions.  Each
> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Shawn Wright
>
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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>
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>

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Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Hi Shawn

 

FWIW, there is a designer’s commentary on the 34 by Rob Ball as the designer.  
I also believe he owns one here on Buzzard’s Bay.  There is also a posting 
today on this list of a 34 for sale very inexpensively.

 

John

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

 

Thanks, John. I like the 34, and it's the only C designed by Bruce King, 
whose designs I really like, in addition to Rob Ball and C But there is only 
one near me on the West Coast. It's in Gig Harbour, Wa and the price is a bit 
more than our budget at 30K USD, although with a tiller, it might be a slow 
seller. Beautiful boat, and the tiller wouldn't bother me at all, except the 
cockpit seating is designed for a wheel. I don't know that there is a C model 
between 29 and 38 that wouldn't be a good fit; it's just finding one near me at 
a decent price is the problem.

 

This 1970 35-1 is interesting, and I will take a look if we go to Vancouver to 
see the 29 that is listed at the same broker (not on YW).

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1970/c-c-35-3530795/?refSource=standard%20listing

 

I understand the 35-1 is lighter with shorter LWL, rates a tiny bit slower, but 
maybe better in light air. The rudder is less effective than the later blade. 
Not sure of other differences aside from minor cosmetics.

 

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 4:16 AM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi Shawn

 

Have you considered a C??  Owned ours for 20 years and love it.  Sails like 
a dream.  Easily handled by 2.  Great layout.  Full headroom, enclosed head 
with shower, 3 burner propane stove with oven, large ice box, hot & cold 
pressurized water, full length bunks.  Cruises 4 well including their gear.  No 
generic build or design issues.  There are several on Yachtworld attractively 
priced.  The later hull numbers have a better interior finish (475 built).   Of 
course at this vintage individual condition may vary.

My 2 cents American

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

That is a very nice looking 35-1.  I see some good equipment like chrome
bronze or stainless winches, lines run aft on the cabin top, nice
upholstery, pressure water, etc.  Upgrades that are already done.  Things
that cost me a bunch of boat bucks to do to my 35-1.

The windlass is a $1500 upgrade in itself.

I'd take a hard look at it.

I've had Touche' for 20 years and still love it.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


> This 1970 35-1 is interesting, and I will take a look if we go to
> Vancouver to see the 29 that is listed at the same broker (not on YW).
>
> https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1970/c-c-35-3530795/?refSource=standard%20listing
>
> I understand the 35-1 is lighter with shorter LWL, rates a tiny bit
> slower, but maybe better in light air. The rudder is less effective than
> the later blade. Not sure of other differences aside from minor cosmetics.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks, John. I like the 34, and it's the only C designed by Bruce King,
whose designs I really like, in addition to Rob Ball and C But there is
only one near me on the West Coast. It's in Gig Harbour, Wa and the price
is a bit more than our budget at 30K USD, although with a tiller, it might
be a slow seller. Beautiful boat, and the tiller wouldn't bother me at all,
except the cockpit seating is designed for a wheel. I don't know that there
is a C model between 29 and 38 that wouldn't be a good fit; it's just
finding one near me at a decent price is the problem.

This 1970 35-1 is interesting, and I will take a look if we go to Vancouver
to see the 29 that is listed at the same broker (not on YW).
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1970/c-c-35-3530795/?refSource=standard%20listing

I understand the 35-1 is lighter with shorter LWL, rates a tiny bit slower,
but maybe better in light air. The rudder is less effective than the later
blade. Not sure of other differences aside from minor cosmetics.

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 4:16 AM John and Maryann Read via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Shawn
>
>
>
> Have you considered a C??  Owned ours for 20 years and love it.  Sails
> like a dream.  Easily handled by 2.  Great layout.  Full headroom, enclosed
> head with shower, 3 burner propane stove with oven, large ice box, hot &
> cold pressurized water, full length bunks.  Cruises 4 well including their
> gear.  No generic build or design issues.  There are several on Yachtworld
> attractively priced.  The later hull numbers have a better interior finish
> (475 built).   Of course at this vintage individual condition may vary.
>
> My 2 cents American
>
>
>
> John and Maryann
>
> Legacy III
>
> 1982 C 34
>
> Noank, CT
>
>
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>
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> and every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list -
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>
>

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Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[John and Maryann Read via CnC-List]

Hi Shawn

 

Have you considered a C??  Owned ours for 20 years and love it.  Sails like 
a dream.  Easily handled by 2.  Great layout.  Full headroom, enclosed head 
with shower, 3 burner propane stove with oven, large ice box, hot & cold 
pressurized water, full length bunks.  Cruises 4 well including their gear.  No 
generic build or design issues.  There are several on Yachtworld attractively 
priced.  The later hull numbers have a better interior finish (475 built).   Of 
course at this vintage individual condition may vary.

My 2 cents American

 

John and Maryann

Legacy III

1982 C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Yes, I saw that listing when it came up the other day - the first 30 mk2
locally that I've seen. I love the interior (on paper at least), but the
price might make me wonder if we should have bought a bigger boat. It may
sound strange, but I also don't want to get a boat that is *too* nice. It's
like having a nice car - I don't want to get really upset the first time I
crash the dock with a boat like that... so one with a few dings included
will be easier for me... :)

Also, with the hopes of travelling down the coast to Mexico and beyond,
even a modern 30' might not be enough for long term comfort, although I
know people who gone around the globe (twice) in a 27...

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 7:12 PM Randy Stafford 
wrote:

> Shawn have you seen this boat?
> https://nanaimo.craigslist.org/boa/d/ladysmith-1989-cc-30-mk2-sloop/6865778294.html
>
> It’s true the 30 MK I layout is simple and the appointments spartan in the
> early hull numbers like mine.  That’s OK for me, I keep her stripped down
> and only occasionally sleep or cook aboard.
>
> The MK II listed above is more luxurious, and the asking price may reflect
> that.  Perhaps the seller would consider a lower offer.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
>
> On Apr 17, 2019, at 7:30 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> Ok, here's the backstory... We started out looking at 27-30' boats, with
> the hope of finding a C 30-1 based on what I'd read about its stiffness.
> The first one we found was $25K and although it was in very good condition,
> we just weren't that impressed, mainly with the interior layout. Gradually
> I started looking at anything up to about $35K, which has included a lot of
> boats: Westsail 32, Nicholson 31 & 35 (both very nice boats - should have
> bought the 35), Alberg 37, Niagara 35, Ericson 29, 30+, 32, 35, Newport 28,
> 33, C 35-2, 36, 37. Of these, the C 35-2 and Nicholson 35 have
> impressed me the most. The Nicholson is probably one of 3-4 on the
> continent, so I don't expect to find another. The C 35-2 seems like a
> great fit, but I don't expect I'll find another for $25K around here.
>
> My wife grew up boating on a 26' wooden powerboat that her Dad built,
> travelling to Desolation Sound every summer, so she is pretty comfortable
> on the water, but has only sailed a few times on dinghies - Laser, Sunfish
> and MacGregor 26. The MacGregor freaks her out because it gives the
> illusion of a big boat with the stability of a dinghy. She's fine in a
> Laser... she even hauled prawn traps from one last summer... :)
>
> Finally, I am deciding between a "starter boat" around $10K, knowing that
> we'll still look for the right boat. I don't want to pay much more than
> $10K for a boat that will only last 1-2 years as the 12% sales tax is then
> just throwing money away. If we find what seems like a good long term boat
> for $25K or so, we'll go for it, but so far, that has been an elusive item.
> Every $25K boat has either been an overpriced $15K boat (like that mint C
> 30), or a $35-40K boat that needs work. I'm ok with a boat that needs some
> work, provided I can sail it while doing the work over time (so it needs a
> decent engine, sails and rigging). After almost a year of this search, I no
> longer have the time for a project boat.
>
> So that's why a $10K boat makes sense to me... Is the 29 is that boat? I
> don't know...
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 6:03 PM rjcasciato--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Shawn.take me behind why a 29 for 10K makes sense for you.
>> For my taste.if your wife is uncomfortable sailingyou want to
>> rethink this.
>> Mine has had only miserable experiences in the 30 years of sailing.
>> All of my early boats were too small.
>> I now have probably the best Rob Ball design ever...
>> I bought a 38MKII for 20k 20 years ago...
>> You should think biggerand when your wife finally stops
>> sailing.you end up with a real race machine
>>
>> Just thinking ahead.... Ron
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Xfinity Connect Application
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: johnr...@aol.com
>> Sent: 2019-04-17 8:31:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?
>>
>> Is this a 29 Mark I or Mark II??
>>
>> I love my Mark II.  Not tender to me as an old dingy sailor.  Yes,
>> nimble, quick, responsive.
>>
>> There is another Mark II at my club with a shorter rudder than mine and I
>> understand he does have more problems with broaching. I have raced mine in
>> 40+gusts and won that ra

Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[rjcasciato--- via CnC-List]

Thanks Shawn, I get it.you're probably in the right ballpark for you planning ahead.I wish you good luck in the search...BUT GET ANYTHING CLOSE SURVEYEDThere's some rough boats out there in your price rangeSent from Xfinity Connect Application-Original Message-From: cnc-list@cnc-list.comTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: shawngwri...@gmail.comSent: 2019-04-17 9:31:33 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?Hi Ron,Ok, here's the backstory... We started out looking at 27-30' boats, with the hope of finding a C 30-1 based on what I'd read about its stiffness. The first one we found was $25K and although it was in very good condition, we just weren't that impressed, mainly with the interior layout. Gradually I started looking at anything up to about $35K, which has included a lot of boats: Westsail 32, Nicholson 31 & 35 (both very nice boats - should have bought the 35), Alberg 37, Niagara 35, Ericson 29, 30+, 32, 35, Newport 28, 33, C 35-2, 36, 37. Of these, the C 35-2 and Nicholson 35 have impressed me the most. The Nicholson is probably one of 3-4 on the continent, so I don't expect to find another. The C 35-2 seems like a great fit, but I don't expect I'll find another for $25K around here.My wife grew up boating on a 26' wooden powerboat that her Dad built, travelling to Desolation Sound every summer, so she is pretty comfortable on the water, but has only sailed a few times on dinghies - Laser, Sunfish and MacGregor 26. The MacGregor freaks her out because it gives the illusion of a big boat with the stability of a dinghy. She's fine in a Laser... she even hauled prawn traps from one last summer... :)Finally, I am deciding between a "starter boat" around $10K, knowing that we'll still look for the right boat. I don't want to pay much more than $10K for a boat that will only last 1-2 years as the 12% sales tax is then just throwing money away. If we find what seems like a good long term boat for $25K or so, we'll go for it, but so far, that has been an elusive item. Every $25K boat has either been an overpriced $15K boat (like that mint C 30), or a $35-40K boat that needs work. I'm ok with a boat that needs some work, provided I can sail it while doing the work over time (so it needs a decent engine, sails and rigging). After almost a year of this search, I no longer have the time for a project boat.So that's why a $10K boat makes sense to me... Is the 29 is that boat? I don't know...On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 6:03 PM rjcasciato--- via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:Shawn.take me behind why a 29 for 10K makes sense for you. For my taste.if your wife is uncomfortable sailingyou want to rethink this.Mine has had only miserable experiences in the 30 years of sailing.All of my early boats were too small.I now have probably the best Rob Ball design ever...I bought a 38MKII for 20k 20 years ago...You should think biggerand when your wife finally stops sailing.you end up with a real race machineJust thinking ahead  RonSent from Xfinity Connect Application-Original Message-From: cnc-list@cnc-list.comTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: johnr...@aol.comSent: 2019-04-17 8:31:35 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?Is this a 29 Mark I or Mark II??



I love my Mark II.  Not tender to me as an old dingy sailor.  Yes, nimble, quick, responsive.




There is another Mark II at my club with a shorter rudder than mine and I understand he does have more problems with broaching. I have raced mine in 40+gusts and won that race under PHRF.  One broach in 7 years when crew did not take the main sheet with him while hiking in order to be ready to release in conditions that might warrant it.




Suddenly went from a north bound boat to a south bound boat. Best broach of my life.  Boat just flipped around and we went on sailing.  No one hurt.




John McLaughlin





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To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Mark A. Watson <m...@watsonandson.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2019 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?





Strangly






I have a C 41 - love it


Hate going in reverse its always a crap shoot. Goes up wind like
  a vacuum cleaner. Best at 25 - 30 degrees


Hull had one small blister at last years haul out. Oh and the
  traditional keel smile.  Great construction and smart above and
  below deck fittings and appointments. 







Not sure what else would be relevant 




  



 

  






Mark Watson 
  

Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Shawn have you seen this boat? 
https://nanaimo.craigslist.org/boa/d/ladysmith-1989-cc-30-mk2-sloop/6865778294.html
 
<https://nanaimo.craigslist.org/boa/d/ladysmith-1989-cc-30-mk2-sloop/6865778294.html>

It’s true the 30 MK I layout is simple and the appointments spartan in the 
early hull numbers like mine.  That’s OK for me, I keep her stripped down and 
only occasionally sleep or cook aboard.

The MK II listed above is more luxurious, and the asking price may reflect 
that.  Perhaps the seller would consider a lower offer.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Apr 17, 2019, at 7:30 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ron,
> 
> Ok, here's the backstory... We started out looking at 27-30' boats, with the 
> hope of finding a C 30-1 based on what I'd read about its stiffness. The 
> first one we found was $25K and although it was in very good condition, we 
> just weren't that impressed, mainly with the interior layout. Gradually I 
> started looking at anything up to about $35K, which has included a lot of 
> boats: Westsail 32, Nicholson 31 & 35 (both very nice boats - should have 
> bought the 35), Alberg 37, Niagara 35, Ericson 29, 30+, 32, 35, Newport 28, 
> 33, C 35-2, 36, 37. Of these, the C 35-2 and Nicholson 35 have impressed 
> me the most. The Nicholson is probably one of 3-4 on the continent, so I 
> don't expect to find another. The C 35-2 seems like a great fit, but I 
> don't expect I'll find another for $25K around here.
> 
> My wife grew up boating on a 26' wooden powerboat that her Dad built, 
> travelling to Desolation Sound every summer, so she is pretty comfortable on 
> the water, but has only sailed a few times on dinghies - Laser, Sunfish and 
> MacGregor 26. The MacGregor freaks her out because it gives the illusion of a 
> big boat with the stability of a dinghy. She's fine in a Laser... she even 
> hauled prawn traps from one last summer... :)
> 
> Finally, I am deciding between a "starter boat" around $10K, knowing that 
> we'll still look for the right boat. I don't want to pay much more than $10K 
> for a boat that will only last 1-2 years as the 12% sales tax is then just 
> throwing money away. If we find what seems like a good long term boat for 
> $25K or so, we'll go for it, but so far, that has been an elusive item. Every 
> $25K boat has either been an overpriced $15K boat (like that mint C 30), or 
> a $35-40K boat that needs work. I'm ok with a boat that needs some work, 
> provided I can sail it while doing the work over time (so it needs a decent 
> engine, sails and rigging). After almost a year of this search, I no longer 
> have the time for a project boat.
> 
> So that's why a $10K boat makes sense to me... Is the 29 is that boat? I 
> don't know...
> 
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 6:03 PM rjcasciato--- via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Shawn.take me behind why a 29 for 10K makes sense for you. 
> For my taste.if your wife is uncomfortable sailingyou want to rethink 
> this.
> Mine has had only miserable experiences in the 30 years of sailing.
> All of my early boats were too small.
> I now have probably the best Rob Ball design ever...
> I bought a 38MKII for 20k 20 years ago...
> You should think biggerand when your wife finally stops sailing.you 
> end up with a real race machine
> 
> Just thinking ahead Ron
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Xfinity Connect Application
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> 
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
> Cc: johnr...@aol.com <mailto:johnr...@aol.com>
> Sent: 2019-04-17 8:31:35 PM 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?
> 
> Is this a 29 Mark I or Mark II??
> 
> I love my Mark II.  Not tender to me as an old dingy sailor.  Yes, nimble, 
> quick, responsive.
> 
> There is another Mark II at my club with a shorter rudder than mine and I 
> understand he does have more problems with broaching. I have raced mine in 
> 40+gusts and won that race under PHRF.  One broach in 7 years when crew did 
> not take the main sheet with him while hiking in order to be ready to release 
> in conditions that might warrant it.
> 
> Suddenly went from a north bound boat to a south bound boat. Best broach of 
> my life.  Boat just flipped around and we went on sailing.  No one hurt.
> 
> John McLaughlin
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark A. Watson via CnC-List  <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
> Cc: Mark A. Watson mailto:m...@watsonandson.com>>
> Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2019 2:32 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77

Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Ron,

Ok, here's the backstory... We started out looking at 27-30' boats, with
the hope of finding a C 30-1 based on what I'd read about its stiffness.
The first one we found was $25K and although it was in very good condition,
we just weren't that impressed, mainly with the interior layout. Gradually
I started looking at anything up to about $35K, which has included a lot of
boats: Westsail 32, Nicholson 31 & 35 (both very nice boats - should have
bought the 35), Alberg 37, Niagara 35, Ericson 29, 30+, 32, 35, Newport 28,
33, C 35-2, 36, 37. Of these, the C 35-2 and Nicholson 35 have
impressed me the most. The Nicholson is probably one of 3-4 on the
continent, so I don't expect to find another. The C 35-2 seems like a
great fit, but I don't expect I'll find another for $25K around here.

My wife grew up boating on a 26' wooden powerboat that her Dad built,
travelling to Desolation Sound every summer, so she is pretty comfortable
on the water, but has only sailed a few times on dinghies - Laser, Sunfish
and MacGregor 26. The MacGregor freaks her out because it gives the
illusion of a big boat with the stability of a dinghy. She's fine in a
Laser... she even hauled prawn traps from one last summer... :)

Finally, I am deciding between a "starter boat" around $10K, knowing that
we'll still look for the right boat. I don't want to pay much more than
$10K for a boat that will only last 1-2 years as the 12% sales tax is then
just throwing money away. If we find what seems like a good long term boat
for $25K or so, we'll go for it, but so far, that has been an elusive item.
Every $25K boat has either been an overpriced $15K boat (like that mint C
30), or a $35-40K boat that needs work. I'm ok with a boat that needs some
work, provided I can sail it while doing the work over time (so it needs a
decent engine, sails and rigging). After almost a year of this search, I no
longer have the time for a project boat.

So that's why a $10K boat makes sense to me... Is the 29 is that boat? I
don't know...

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 6:03 PM rjcasciato--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Shawn.take me behind why a 29 for 10K makes sense for you.
> For my taste.if your wife is uncomfortable sailingyou want to
> rethink this.
> Mine has had only miserable experiences in the 30 years of sailing.
> All of my early boats were too small.
> I now have probably the best Rob Ball design ever...
> I bought a 38MKII for 20k 20 years ago...
> You should think biggerand when your wife finally stops
> sailing.you end up with a real race machine
>
> Just thinking ahead Ron
>
>
>
> Sent from Xfinity Connect Application
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: johnr...@aol.com
> Sent: 2019-04-17 8:31:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?
>
> Is this a 29 Mark I or Mark II??
>
> I love my Mark II.  Not tender to me as an old dingy sailor.  Yes, nimble,
> quick, responsive.
>
> There is another Mark II at my club with a shorter rudder than mine and I
> understand he does have more problems with broaching. I have raced mine in
> 40+gusts and won that race under PHRF.  One broach in 7 years when crew did
> not take the main sheet with him while hiking in order to be ready to
> release in conditions that might warrant it.
>
> Suddenly went from a north bound boat to a south bound boat. Best broach
> of my life.  Boat just flipped around and we went on sailing.  No one hurt.
>
> John McLaughlin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark A. Watson via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Mark A. Watson 
> Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2019 2:32 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?
>
> Strangly
>
> I have a C 41 - love it
> Hate going in reverse its always a crap shoot. Goes up wind like a vacuum
> cleaner. Best at 25 - 30 degrees
> Hull had one small blister at last years haul out. Oh and the traditional
> keel smile.  Great construction and smart above and below deck fittings and
> appointments.
>
> Not sure what else would be relevant
>
> Mark Watson
> Trinity - 1977 Newport 41
>
>
>
> On 4/17/2019 9:23 AM, Jeremy Dinsel via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I happen to have a C 29 from the exact same year. It is a little tender
> at the dock as it’ll move a bit when it’s boarded, but underway it feels
> fine to me. I’m a new boat owner and this is the first boat I’ve owned. I
> obtained it for a similar price and put a good amount into it to replace
> the standing and running rigging as well as the sails. I have the original
> universal diesel, so if your option has been repowered, that might be a
> great addition.
>
> Under full power (with a 120% Genoa), the boat heels fairly comforta

Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

It's a '77, so a Mark I, first year of the 29 according to sailboatdata.com.
The Mark II came out in '83. This particular boat has a longer carbon fiber
rudder, possibly to match the Mark II design.

Not sure of the other differences, or why the 29 seems to be a bit of black
sheep among C Is it because of its 1/2ton IOR heritage?

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 5:31 PM John R McLaughlin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Is this a 29 Mark I or Mark II??
>
> I love my Mark II.  Not tender to me as an old dingy sailor.  Yes, nimble,
> quick, responsive.
>
> There is another Mark II at my club with a shorter rudder than mine and I
> understand he does have more problems with broaching. I have raced mine in
> 40+gusts and won that race under PHRF.  One broach in 7 years when crew did
> not take the main sheet with him while hiking in order to be ready to
> release in conditions that might warrant it.
>
> Suddenly went from a north bound boat to a south bound boat. Best broach
> of my life.  Boat just flipped around and we went on sailing.  No one hurt.
>
> John McLaughlin
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark A. Watson via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Cc: Mark A. Watson 
> Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2019 2:32 pm
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?
>
> Strangly
>
> I have a C 41 - love it
> Hate going in reverse its always a crap shoot. Goes up wind like a vacuum
> cleaner. Best at 25 - 30 degrees
> Hull had one small blister at last years haul out. Oh and the traditional
> keel smile.  Great construction and smart above and below deck fittings and
> appointments.
>
> Not sure what else would be relevant
>
> Mark Watson
> Trinity - 1977 Newport 41
>
>
>
> On 4/17/2019 9:23 AM, Jeremy Dinsel via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I happen to have a C 29 from the exact same year. It is a little tender
> at the dock as it’ll move a bit when it’s boarded, but underway it feels
> fine to me. I’m a new boat owner and this is the first boat I’ve owned. I
> obtained it for a similar price and put a good amount into it to replace
> the standing and running rigging as well as the sails. I have the original
> universal diesel, so if your option has been repowered, that might be a
> great addition.
>
> Under full power (with a 120% Genoa), the boat heels fairly comfortably
> and races forwarded in up to 14 kts. I’d recommend reefing by 14 kts, but
> it is situationally relevant. I have been out in 20 kts under full sail and
> found it aggressive as the boat was able to point up to 15 degrees off the
> wind but still didn’t dip the toe rail.  I dropped the sails quickly for my
> own comfort as well as my crew’s.
>
> It’s been my opinion that comfort with heeling comes from time and
> experience on boats. Much like someone else mentioned, conditions and
> training even for catamaran appreciators will eventually win over
> relatively new sailors.
>
> There’s little I’d change in my 29’. I’d recommend getting a survey and
> seeing if it’s still the best deal on the market. No matter what you go
> with, keep your crew in mind while helping them to gain the time and
> experience required to become comfortable. Find other friends with more
> experience that your crew knows and respects and give them the helm. I’ve
> found that having my friend Kristin aboard gives me ample time to compare
> my level of comfort vs her’s. She’s far more experienced than I am, and is
> the perfect bell weather.
>
> Jeremy Dinsel
> C 29 1977
> Seattle, Wa
>
> iTypo'd expressly for you.
>
> On Apr 16, 2019, at 18:00, Shawn Wright  wrote:
>
> I'm interested in opinions of a '77 C 29. There is one named "Tooth &
> Nail" that has been for sale in Vancouver for some time now. The photos
> look good, apparently has a good sail inventory, decent Yanmar engine,
> wheel steering. Apparently a popular local race boat (so it may be beat
> up?)
>
> It doesn't seem likely that we're going to find a 35' this season, so I'm
> looking at smaller, cheaper boats so we can begin sailing while still keep
> an eye out for the right boat. At the moment, the smaller, cheaper boats
> include a very well kept Ericson 29, and this C 29, both for around $12K
> CAD.
>
> One reason I overlooked the 29 in the past was based on where it sits on
> the stability diagram - right at the top among the most tender of all
> boats. How serious a concern is this for cruising as keelboat beginners? I
> don't want to scare my wife, who has very little sailing experience, with a
> very tender boat. She gets uncomfortable when sailing on a friend's
> Macgregor 26, which seems to heel over at the slightest gust.
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>
>

Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[rjcasciato--- via CnC-List]

Shawn.take me behind why a 29 for 10K makes sense for you. For my taste.if your wife is uncomfortable sailingyou want to rethink this.Mine has had only miserable experiences in the 30 years of sailing.All of my early boats were too small.I now have probably the best Rob Ball design ever...I bought a 38MKII for 20k 20 years ago...You should think biggerand when your wife finally stops sailing.you end up with a real race machineJust thinking ahead  RonSent from Xfinity Connect Application-Original Message-From: cnc-list@cnc-list.comTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: johnr...@aol.comSent: 2019-04-17 8:31:35 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?Is this a 29 Mark I or Mark II??



I love my Mark II.  Not tender to me as an old dingy sailor.  Yes, nimble, quick, responsive.




There is another Mark II at my club with a shorter rudder than mine and I understand he does have more problems with broaching. I have raced mine in 40+gusts and won that race under PHRF.  One broach in 7 years when crew did not take the main sheet with him while hiking in order to be ready to release in conditions that might warrant it.




Suddenly went from a north bound boat to a south bound boat. Best broach of my life.  Boat just flipped around and we went on sailing.  No one hurt.




John McLaughlin





-Original Message-
From: Mark A. Watson via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Mark A. Watson 
Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2019 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?





Strangly






I have a C 41 - love it


Hate going in reverse its always a crap shoot. Goes up wind like
  a vacuum cleaner. Best at 25 - 30 degrees


Hull had one small blister at last years haul out. Oh and the
  traditional keel smile.  Great construction and smart above and
  below deck fittings and appointments. 







Not sure what else would be relevant 




  



 

  






Mark Watson 



Trinity - 1977 Newport 41
  



  



  



  



  


 
  
  


  



  



  



  



  



  




On 4/17/2019 9:23 AM, Jeremy Dinsel via
  CnC-List wrote:



  






  I happen to have a C 29 from the exact same year. It is a
  little tender at the dock as it’ll move a bit when it’s boarded,
  but underway it feels fine to me. I’m a new boat owner and this is
  the first boat I’ve owned. I obtained it for a similar price and
  put a good amount into it to replace the standing and running
  rigging as well as the sails. I have the original universal
  diesel, so if your option has been repowered, that might be a
  great addition. 
  

  

  
Under full power (with a 120% Genoa), the boat heels fairly
comfortably and races forwarded in up to 14 kts. I’d recommend
reefing by 14 kts, but it is situationally relevant. I have been
out in 20 kts under full sail and found it aggressive as the
boat was able to point up to 15 degrees off the wind but still
didn’t dip the toe rail.  I dropped the sails quickly for my own
comfort as well as my crew’s. 

  

  

  
It’s been my opinion that comfort with heeling comes from
time and experience on boats. Much like someone else mentioned,
conditions and training even for catamaran appreciators will
eventually win over relatively new sailors. 

  

  

  
There’s little I’d change in my 29’. I’d recommend getting a
survey and seeing if it’s still the best deal on the market. No
matter what you go with, keep your crew in mind while helping
them to gain the time and experience required to become
comfortable. Find other friends with more experience that your
crew knows and respects and give them the helm. I’ve found that
having my friend Kristin aboard gives me ample time to compare
my level of comfort vs her’s. She’s far more experienced than I
am, and is the perfect bell weather. 

  

  

  
Jeremy Dinsel

  
C 29 1977

  
Seattle, Wa


iTypo'd expressly for
  you.



  On Apr 16, 2019, at 18:00, Shawn Wright <shawngwri...@gmail.com>
  wrote:
  



  


I'm interested in opinions of a '77 C
  29. There is one named "Tooth & Nail" that has been
  for sale in Vancouv

Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[John R McLaughlin via CnC-List]

Is this a 29 Mark I or Mark II??
I love my Mark II.  Not tender to me as an old dingy sailor.  Yes, nimble, 
quick, responsive.
There is another Mark II at my club with a shorter rudder than mine and I 
understand he does have more problems with broaching. I have raced mine in 
40+gusts and won that race under PHRF.  One broach in 7 years when crew did not 
take the main sheet with him while hiking in order to be ready to release in 
conditions that might warrant it.
Suddenly went from a north bound boat to a south bound boat. Best broach of my 
life.  Boat just flipped around and we went on sailing.  No one hurt.
John McLaughlin


-Original Message-
From: Mark A. Watson via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Mark A. Watson 
Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2019 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

 Strangly 
  I have a C 41 - love it Hate going in reverse its always a crap shoot. Goes 
up wind like a vacuum cleaner. Best at 25 - 30 degrees Hull had one small 
blister at last years haul out. Oh and the traditional keel smile.  Great 
construction and smart above and below deck fittings and appointments. 
  
  Not sure what else would be relevant 
  
  Mark Watson 
  Trinity - 1977 Newport 41
   
 
 
 On 4/17/2019 9:23 AM, Jeremy Dinsel via CnC-List wrote:
  
 
 I happen to have a C 29 from the exact same year. It is a little tender at 
the dock as it’ll move a bit when it’s boarded, but underway it feels fine to 
me. I’m a new boat owner and this is the first boat I’ve owned. I obtained it 
for a similar price and put a good amount into it to replace the standing and 
running rigging as well as the sails. I have the original universal diesel, so 
if your option has been repowered, that might be a great addition.  
  Under full power (with a 120% Genoa), the boat heels fairly comfortably and 
races forwarded in up to 14 kts. I’d recommend reefing by 14 kts, but it is 
situationally relevant. I have been out in 20 kts under full sail and found it 
aggressive as the boat was able to point up to 15 degrees off the wind but 
still didn’t dip the toe rail.  I dropped the sails quickly for my own comfort 
as well as my crew’s.  
  It’s been my opinion that comfort with heeling comes from time and experience 
on boats. Much like someone else mentioned, conditions and training even for 
catamaran appreciators will eventually win over relatively new sailors.  
  There’s little I’d change in my 29’. I’d recommend getting a survey and 
seeing if it’s still the best deal on the market. No matter what you go with, 
keep your crew in mind while helping them to gain the time and experience 
required to become comfortable. Find other friends with more experience that 
your crew knows and respects and give them the helm. I’ve found that having my 
friend Kristin aboard gives me ample time to compare my level of comfort vs 
her’s. She’s far more experienced than I am, and is the perfect bell weather.  
  Jeremy Dinsel C 29 1977 Seattle, Wa
 
 iTypo'd expressly for you. 
 On Apr 16, 2019, at 18:00, Shawn Wright  wrote:
 
  
  I'm interested in opinions of a '77 C 29. There is one named "Tooth & Nail" 
that has been for sale in Vancouver for some time now. The photos look good, 
apparently has a good sail inventory, decent Yanmar engine, wheel steering. 
Apparently a popular local race boat (so it may be beat up?) 
  It doesn't seem likely that we're going to find a 35' this season, so I'm 
looking at smaller, cheaper boats so we can begin sailing while still keep an 
eye out for the right boat. At the moment, the smaller, cheaper boats include a 
very well kept Ericson 29, and this C 29, both for around $12K CAD. 
  One reason I overlooked the 29 in the past was based on where it sits on the 
stability diagram - right at the top among the most tender of all boats. How 
serious a concern is this for cruising as keelboat beginners? I don't want to 
scare my wife, who has very little sailing experience, with a very tender boat. 
She gets uncomfortable when sailing on a friend's Macgregor 26, which seems to 
heel over at the slightest gust.  
  -- 
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[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks everyone for the great replies, they are very helpful.

I spoke to the broker and found out a bit more:
-one owner boat, was regularly raced for many years, and well maintained.
Estate sale
-twin headstays (so no furler), tapered mast, taller carbon fiber rudder
-diesel stove/furnace looks a bit ugly and not ideal for cooking
-wheel steering

We will try to take a trip over to see her soon. The broker also has a
Pearson 365 coming up, but after looking at the specs, it seems like this
boat would be a slug in light air, similar to a Cooper with long shallow
keel, and nothing like a C

As for training, we are both taking a 7 day ISPA Day Crew/Skipper's course
from Comox to Desolation Sound next month (on a Formosa 43), which should
help give my wife some confidence in sailing, and also update my rusty
knowledge. We're looking forward to that, and also to returning to the area
in our own boat soon after! Just need to decide on the boat.

At this stage, it looks like it's between this C 29 and an Ericson 29 for
a smaller, cheaper ready to sail boat.

For a longer term boat, we have:
'76 Viking 34 for $22K
'81 C 32 (centreboard model) for $25K. I suspect this is not selling as
centreboard models are not common here. Not sure how problematic they are...
'70 35-1 just listed today for $32K... hmmm...
'89 Mirage 32 for $29K with 5 year old Yanmar



On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 11:32 AM Mark A. Watson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Strangly
>
>
> I have a C 41 - love it
>
> Hate going in reverse its always a crap shoot. Goes up wind like a vacuum
> cleaner. Best at 25 - 30 degrees
>
> Hull had one small blister at last years haul out. Oh and the traditional
> keel smile.  Great construction and smart above and below deck fittings and
> appointments.
>
>
> Not sure what else would be relevant
>
>
> Mark Watson
> Trinity - 1977 Newport 41
>
>
>
> On 4/17/2019 9:23 AM, Jeremy Dinsel via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I happen to have a C 29 from the exact same year. It is a little tender
> at the dock as it’ll move a bit when it’s boarded, but underway it feels
> fine to me. I’m a new boat owner and this is the first boat I’ve owned. I
> obtained it for a similar price and put a good amount into it to replace
> the standing and running rigging as well as the sails. I have the original
> universal diesel, so if your option has been repowered, that might be a
> great addition.
>
> Under full power (with a 120% Genoa), the boat heels fairly comfortably
> and races forwarded in up to 14 kts. I’d recommend reefing by 14 kts, but
> it is situationally relevant. I have been out in 20 kts under full sail and
> found it aggressive as the boat was able to point up to 15 degrees off the
> wind but still didn’t dip the toe rail.  I dropped the sails quickly for my
> own comfort as well as my crew’s.
>
> It’s been my opinion that comfort with heeling comes from time and
> experience on boats. Much like someone else mentioned, conditions and
> training even for catamaran appreciators will eventually win over
> relatively new sailors.
>
> There’s little I’d change in my 29’. I’d recommend getting a survey and
> seeing if it’s still the best deal on the market. No matter what you go
> with, keep your crew in mind while helping them to gain the time and
> experience required to become comfortable. Find other friends with more
> experience that your crew knows and respects and give them the helm. I’ve
> found that having my friend Kristin aboard gives me ample time to compare
> my level of comfort vs her’s. She’s far more experienced than I am, and is
> the perfect bell weather.
>
> Jeremy Dinsel
> C 29 1977
> Seattle, Wa
>
> iTypo'd expressly for you.
>
> On Apr 16, 2019, at 18:00, Shawn Wright  wrote:
>
> I'm interested in opinions of a '77 C 29. There is one named "Tooth &
> Nail" that has been for sale in Vancouver for some time now. The photos
> look good, apparently has a good sail inventory, decent Yanmar engine,
> wheel steering. Apparently a popular local race boat (so it may be beat
> up?)
>
> It doesn't seem likely that we're going to find a 35' this season, so I'm
> looking at smaller, cheaper boats so we can begin sailing while still keep
> an eye out for the right boat. At the moment, the smaller, cheaper boats
> include a very well kept Ericson 29, and this C 29, both for around $12K
> CAD.
>
> One reason I overlooked the 29 in the past was based on where it sits on
> the stability diagram - right at the top among the most tender of all
> boats. How serious a concern is this for cruising as keelboat beginners? I
> don't want to scare my wife, who has very little sailing experience, with a
> very tender boat. She gets uncomfortable when sailing on a friend's
> Macgregor 26, which seems to heel over at the slightest gust.
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>
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Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[Mark A. Watson via CnC-List]

Strangly


I have a C 41 - love it

Hate going in reverse its always a crap shoot. Goes up wind like a 
vacuum cleaner. Best at 25 - 30 degrees


Hull had one small blister at last years haul out. Oh and the 
traditional keel smile.  Great construction and smart above and below 
deck fittings and appointments.



Not sure what else would be relevant


Mark Watson
Trinity - 1977 Newport 41



On 4/17/2019 9:23 AM, Jeremy Dinsel via CnC-List wrote:
I happen to have a C 29 from the exact same year. It is a little 
tender at the dock as it’ll move a bit when it’s boarded, but underway 
it feels fine to me. I’m a new boat owner and this is the first boat 
I’ve owned. I obtained it for a similar price and put a good amount 
into it to replace the standing and running rigging as well as the 
sails. I have the original universal diesel, so if your option has 
been repowered, that might be a great addition.


Under full power (with a 120% Genoa), the boat heels fairly 
comfortably and races forwarded in up to 14 kts. I’d recommend reefing 
by 14 kts, but it is situationally relevant. I have been out in 20 kts 
under full sail and found it aggressive as the boat was able to point 
up to 15 degrees off the wind but still didn’t dip the toe rail.  I 
dropped the sails quickly for my own comfort as well as my crew’s.


It’s been my opinion that comfort with heeling comes from time and 
experience on boats. Much like someone else mentioned, conditions and 
training even for catamaran appreciators will eventually win over 
relatively new sailors.


There’s little I’d change in my 29’. I’d recommend getting a survey 
and seeing if it’s still the best deal on the market. No matter what 
you go with, keep your crew in mind while helping them to gain the 
time and experience required to become comfortable. Find other friends 
with more experience that your crew knows and respects and give them 
the helm. I’ve found that having my friend Kristin aboard gives me 
ample time to compare my level of comfort vs her’s. She’s far more 
experienced than I am, and is the perfect bell weather.


Jeremy Dinsel
C 29 1977
Seattle, Wa

iTypo'd expressly for you.

On Apr 16, 2019, at 18:00, Shawn Wright > wrote:


I'm interested in opinions of a '77 C 29. There is one named "Tooth 
& Nail" that has been for sale in Vancouver for some time now. The 
photos look good, apparently has a good sail inventory, decent Yanmar 
engine, wheel steering. Apparently a popular local race boat (so it 
may be beat up?)


It doesn't seem likely that we're going to find a 35' this season, so 
I'm looking at smaller, cheaper boats so we can begin sailing while 
still keep an eye out for the right boat. At the moment, the smaller, 
cheaper boats include a very well kept Ericson 29, and this C 29, 
both for around $12K CAD.


One reason I overlooked the 29 in the past was based on where it sits 
on the stability diagram - right at the top among the most tender of 
all boats. How serious a concern is this for cruising as keelboat 
beginners? I don't want to scare my wife, who has very little sailing 
experience, with a very tender boat. She gets uncomfortable when 
sailing on a friend's Macgregor 26, which seems to heel over at the 
slightest gust.


--
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shawngwri...@gmail.com 


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[Jeremy Dinsel via CnC-List]

I happen to have a C 29 from the exact same year. It is a little tender at 
the dock as it’ll move a bit when it’s boarded, but underway it feels fine to 
me. I’m a new boat owner and this is the first boat I’ve owned. I obtained it 
for a similar price and put a good amount into it to replace the standing and 
running rigging as well as the sails. I have the original universal diesel, so 
if your option has been repowered, that might be a great addition. 

Under full power (with a 120% Genoa), the boat heels fairly comfortably and 
races forwarded in up to 14 kts. I’d recommend reefing by 14 kts, but it is 
situationally relevant. I have been out in 20 kts under full sail and found it 
aggressive as the boat was able to point up to 15 degrees off the wind but 
still didn’t dip the toe rail.  I dropped the sails quickly for my own comfort 
as well as my crew’s. 

It’s been my opinion that comfort with heeling comes from time and experience 
on boats. Much like someone else mentioned, conditions and training even for 
catamaran appreciators will eventually win over relatively new sailors. 

There’s little I’d change in my 29’. I’d recommend getting a survey and seeing 
if it’s still the best deal on the market. No matter what you go with, keep 
your crew in mind while helping them to gain the time and experience required 
to become comfortable. Find other friends with more experience that your crew 
knows and respects and give them the helm. I’ve found that having my friend 
Kristin aboard gives me ample time to compare my level of comfort vs her’s. 
She’s far more experienced than I am, and is the perfect bell weather. 

Jeremy Dinsel
C 29 1977
Seattle, Wa

iTypo'd expressly for you.

> On Apr 16, 2019, at 18:00, Shawn Wright  wrote:
> 
> I'm interested in opinions of a '77 C 29. There is one named "Tooth & Nail" 
> that has been for sale in Vancouver for some time now. The photos look good, 
> apparently has a good sail inventory, decent Yanmar engine, wheel steering. 
> Apparently a popular local race boat (so it may be beat up?)
> 
> It doesn't seem likely that we're going to find a 35' this season, so I'm 
> looking at smaller, cheaper boats so we can begin sailing while still keep an 
> eye out for the right boat. At the moment, the smaller, cheaper boats include 
> a very well kept Ericson 29, and this C 29, both for around $12K CAD.
> 
> One reason I overlooked the 29 in the past was based on where it sits on the 
> stability diagram - right at the top among the most tender of all boats. How 
> serious a concern is this for cruising as keelboat beginners? I don't want to 
> scare my wife, who has very little sailing experience, with a very tender 
> boat. She gets uncomfortable when sailing on a friend's Macgregor 26, which 
> seems to heel over at the slightest gust.
> 
> -- 
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

I second Dave’s advice.  My wife was always uncomfortable with heeling, so 
asked that we only charter catamarans when bareboating.  Well, this spring she 
took a one-week liveaboard sailing course series (ASA-101, 103, and 104) on a 
Beneteau 43 monohull in the USVI the week before we and friends chartered a cat 
in the BVI.  After those experiences she said she’d prefer to charter monohulls 
in the future. :)

Regarding stability, there’s a good discussion of it in 
https://www.amazon.com/Yacht-Design-According-Perry-Shaped/dp/007146557X 
.  
Hull shape has a lot to do with it.  I assume the stability diagram you’re 
referring to is the plot of Dellenbaugh angle vs. LWL for all C boats at 
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm 
.  The caveats there say 
the Dellenbaugh angle is an approximation only, and a preliminary tool for 
comparing one vessel to another.  Perry says boats with low initial stability 
(i.e. tender boats) give a softer ride in waves, and often have better ultimate 
stability (resistance to turtling), than stiff boats.

That said, as an owner of one of the stiffest boats on that stability diagram, 
the famously stiff 30 MK I, I’ll tell you that I like her stiffness.  I sail 
her on a lake, so a soft ride in waves is not that big an issue for me.  Racing 
in Colorado summer evenings I'm often subjected to sudden and gusty 
thunderstorm winds.  I’ve found I can carry full sail (full main and 150 genoa) 
to about 25 knots, and still have a hard time getting a rail in the water.  
I’ve had several occasions where I’ve torn a headsail before getting the side 
deck wet.  More tender boats in my club have to de-power or even retire in 
those conditions.  The 30 MK I’s stiffness has helped me to trust the boat and 
know what she can take.

I also agree with Morgan that racing sailors may dote on their boats 
obsessively. :)  It’s good that you’re trying to make an informed decision, and 
I wish you luck with it.  I’m just adding a couple bits of information.

Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Apr 16, 2019, at 7:52 PM, Dave. via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Shawn,
> Not sure if this is an answer to your question but I have some thoughts. I 
> have not sailed on either the Erickson or C 29 but both are good well made 
> brands. 
> My best advise for you is to encourage your wife to find a local “Learn to 
> Sail” program so that she can learn to be comfortable under sail. All 
> sailboats heal in a breeze tender or not and if this makes her uncomfortable 
> you will be doing a lot of single handed sailing. If you too are a beginner 
> you should take a class together so she can learn to trust your skills. She 
> needs to be able to trust you in the boat. Once someone becomes frightened in 
> a sailboat it is a hard thing to overcome. Adults are much harder to teach to 
> sail than children mostly because of the fear factor.
> Also, I’m a real believer in the “smaller cheaper” boat for almost anyone but 
> certainly for someone who is new to the sport. While sailing a smaller boat, 
> everything is easier to manage, forces are less and maintenance is simpler 
> and everything costs less. My wife and I have sailed our entire lives and our 
> biggest boat is our current C 33 and we sometimes think about downsizing. 
> We spent many years racing and cruising a Newport 27 (a C design) sometimes 
> with and sometimes without our two children. It was plenty big enough for our 
> family.
> Anyway, that is my two cents.
> Dave.
> SLY
> 1965 C 33
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Apr 16, 2019, at 6:00 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> I'm interested in opinions of a '77 C 29. There is one named "Tooth & 
>> Nail" that has been for sale in Vancouver for some time now. The photos look 
>> good, apparently has a good sail inventory, decent Yanmar engine, wheel 
>> steering. Apparently a popular local race boat (so it may be beat up?)
>> 
>> It doesn't seem likely that we're going to find a 35' this season, so I'm 
>> looking at smaller, cheaper boats so we can begin sailing while still keep 
>> an eye out for the right boat. At the moment, the smaller, cheaper boats 
>> include a very well kept Ericson 29, and this C 29, both for around $12K 
>> CAD.
>> 
>> One reason I overlooked the 29 in the past was based on where it sits on the 
>> stability diagram - right at the top among the most tender of all boats. How 
>> serious a concern is this for cruising as keelboat beginners? I don't want 
>> to scare my wife, who has very little sailing experience, with a very tender 
>> boat. She gets uncomfortable when sailing on a friend's Macgregor 26, which 
>> seems to heel over at the slightest gust.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Shawn Wright
>> shawngwri...@gmail.com 
>> 

Re: Stus-List Thoughts on '77 C 29?

[Dave. via CnC-List]

Shawn,
Not sure if this is an answer to your question but I have some thoughts. I have 
not sailed on either the Erickson or C 29 but both are good well made brands. 
My best advise for you is to encourage your wife to find a local “Learn to 
Sail” program so that she can learn to be comfortable under sail. All sailboats 
heal in a breeze tender or not and if this makes her uncomfortable you will be 
doing a lot of single handed sailing. If you too are a beginner you should take 
a class together so she can learn to trust your skills. She needs to be able to 
trust you in the boat. Once someone becomes frightened in a sailboat it is a 
hard thing to overcome. Adults are much harder to teach to sail than children 
mostly because of the fear factor.
Also, I’m a real believer in the “smaller cheaper” boat for almost anyone but 
certainly for someone who is new to the sport. While sailing a smaller boat, 
everything is easier to manage, forces are less and maintenance is simpler and 
everything costs less. My wife and I have sailed our entire lives and our 
biggest boat is our current C 33 and we sometimes think about downsizing. We 
spent many years racing and cruising a Newport 27 (a C design) sometimes with 
and sometimes without our two children. It was plenty big enough for our family.
Anyway, that is my two cents.
Dave.
SLY
1965 C 33

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 16, 2019, at 6:00 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm interested in opinions of a '77 C 29. There is one named "Tooth & Nail" 
> that has been for sale in Vancouver for some time now. The photos look good, 
> apparently has a good sail inventory, decent Yanmar engine, wheel steering. 
> Apparently a popular local race boat (so it may be beat up?)
> 
> It doesn't seem likely that we're going to find a 35' this season, so I'm 
> looking at smaller, cheaper boats so we can begin sailing while still keep an 
> eye out for the right boat. At the moment, the smaller, cheaper boats include 
> a very well kept Ericson 29, and this C 29, both for around $12K CAD.
> 
> One reason I overlooked the 29 in the past was based on where it sits on the 
> stability diagram - right at the top among the most tender of all boats. How 
> serious a concern is this for cruising as keelboat beginners? I don't want to 
> scare my wife, who has very little sailing experience, with a very tender 
> boat. She gets uncomfortable when sailing on a friend's Macgregor 26, which 
> seems to heel over at the slightest gust.
> 
> -- 
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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[Morgan Ellis via CnC-List]

Hi Shawn, don't let the diagram scare you. My 30-2 is even higher on the
chart. All it means is that you need to reef early to keep the admiral
happy. I feel that any boat that has a decent amount of power in the sail
plan will rank up there. You can always reduce sail area in heavy weather,
but when the wind is light you will appreciate the extra area so that you
can keep sailing while other cruisers have had to fire up their engines...
My .02$ heel angle has more to do with sail trim and boat handling; then it
does about the design.

Also, many boats that are raced regularly will be better maintained and
have better gear than an old neglected cruiser.

Regards,

Morgan


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[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I'm interested in opinions of a '77 C 29. There is one named "Tooth &
Nail" that has been for sale in Vancouver for some time now. The photos
look good, apparently has a good sail inventory, decent Yanmar engine,
wheel steering. Apparently a popular local race boat (so it may be beat up?)

It doesn't seem likely that we're going to find a 35' this season, so I'm
looking at smaller, cheaper boats so we can begin sailing while still keep
an eye out for the right boat. At the moment, the smaller, cheaper boats
include a very well kept Ericson 29, and this C 29, both for around $12K
CAD.

One reason I overlooked the 29 in the past was based on where it sits on
the stability diagram - right at the top among the most tender of all
boats. How serious a concern is this for cruising as keelboat beginners? I
don't want to scare my wife, who has very little sailing experience, with a
very tender boat. She gets uncomfortable when sailing on a friend's
Macgregor 26, which seems to heel over at the slightest gust.

-- 
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
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