Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Following up on my note below, I just reviewed an excerpt from my copy of This Old Boat (newer addition). Don Casey is unequivocally in favor of Marelon and says he has seen almost no evidence to support the concern about strength (aside from a broken handle on one small seacock). In his view, strength is not really an issue, but corrosion-resistance is – so, as he put it, “plastic is better.” From: Matthew L. Wolford Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 11:52 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue Thanks, Josh. I have no opinion one way or the other aside from what I’ve heard and read — which may be pure fiction. Admittedly, it has been a while since I heard negative comments about Marelon. Perhaps the concern was more about the uncertainty of change. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 5, 2019, at 10:34 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: Well Matthew I wouldn't go so far as to say that your cautions are meritless. I just haven't had any trouble with mine. I understand the aversion to "plastic" - just doesn't seen strong enough. Consider on the other hand how narley some of the bronze fittings can look when left to their own devices. Josh On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 9:56 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List wrote: There you have it. I guess the cautions I’ve heard and read about lack merit. From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 5:22 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue For what it is worth, my boat came with Marlon all around. I've had absolutely no trouble at all and strongly recommend. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 5:15 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List wrote: FWIW, I’m not a big fan of marelon where there is a potential for breakage. I would be reluctant to use marelon seacocks for the cockpit scuppers on my boat. I can envision crawling around in that space (like working on the quadrant) and inadvertently breaking a seacock by pushing on it with my foot for leverage (without knowing what I’m pushing on). From: sender via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 3:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: sender Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue Thanks to all who responded. I was hoping there would be an abundance of people in a similar situation, successfully freeing up the seacocks without too much difficulty. There wasn't, so I think I'm going to go the route of replacing with Marelon seacocks and hopefully be done with it for good. The secondary discussion about the lines crossing, is interesting, but I've never noticed any back-up of water through the existing arrangement. It seems to me for the crossed arrangement to work, the windward hull fitting would have to be well above the healed waterline to avoid water ingress, which means you would't get drainage of any spray when healed. Am I missing something here? Thanks again, Eric On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 7:18 AM Neil Andersen via CnC-List wrote: But by crossing the hoses, you don’t end up wit a situation where the scupper and thru-hull are both below the waterline when healed. Neil Andersen 1982 C 32 FoxFire Rock Hall, MD Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List on behalf of Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:08 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Matthew L. Wolford Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue Agreed that cockpit drains should always be open and functioning correctly. I had one closed for some repair work on my old Ranger 26 and decided it would be safe to race the boat with one functioning cockpit drain. Worked great as long as we were on the right tack. We were nervously bailing on the other tack several miles offshore. Never again. I am curious to hear more about the idea of crossing the hoses. It does not make sense to me as the far side thru-hull would be higher when heeled. From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 10:19 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue I apologize for creating confusion. For the reasons stated by Andrew Burton, DO NOT shut cockpit drains. Period. My statement was supposed to be that having seacocks open while not in use, or while away from the the boat was an invitation for desaster. A better practice would be to relocate the cockpit drains to a location above the waterline which would eliminate the need for
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Thanks, Josh. I have no opinion one way or the other aside from what I’ve heard and read — which may be pure fiction. Admittedly, it has been a while since I heard negative comments about Marelon. Perhaps the concern was more about the uncertainty of change. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 5, 2019, at 10:34 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List > wrote: > > Well Matthew I wouldn't go so far as to say that your cautions are meritless. > I just haven't had any trouble with mine. I understand the aversion to > "plastic" - just doesn't seen strong enough. Consider on the other hand how > narley some of the bronze fittings can look when left to their own devices. > > Josh > > > >> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 9:56 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List >> wrote: >> There you have it. I guess the cautions I’ve heard and read about lack >> merit. >> >> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List >> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 5:22 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: Josh Muckley >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue >> >> For what it is worth, my boat came with Marlon all around. I've had >> absolutely no trouble at all and strongly recommend. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> >> >>> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 5:15 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> FWIW, I’m not a big fan of marelon where there is a potential for breakage. >>> I would be reluctant to use marelon seacocks for the cockpit scuppers on >>> my boat. I can envision crawling around in that space (likeworking on >>> the quadrant) and inadvertently breaking a seacock by pushing on it with my >>> foot for leverage (without knowing what I’m pushing on). >>> >>> From: sender via CnC-List >>> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 3:20 PM >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Cc: sender >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue >>> >>> Thanks to all who responded. >>> >>> I was hoping there would be an abundance of people in a similar situation, >>> successfully freeing up the seacocks without too much difficulty. There >>> wasn't, so I think I'm going to go the route of replacing with Marelon >>> seacocks and hopefully be done with it for good. >>> >>> The secondary discussion about the lines crossing, is interesting, but I've >>> never noticed any back-up of water through the existing arrangement. It >>> seems to me for the crossed arrangement to work, the windward hull fitting >>> would have to be well above the healed waterline to avoid water ingress, >>> which means you would't get drainage of any spray when healed. Am I >>> missing something here? >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> Eric >>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 7:18 AM Neil Andersen via CnC-List >>>> wrote: >>>> But by crossing the hoses, you don’t end up wit a situation where the >>>> scupper and thru-hull are both below the waterline when healed. >>>> >>>> Neil Andersen >>>> 1982 C 32 FoxFire >>>> Rock Hall, MD >>>> >>>> Neil Andersen >>>> 20691 Jamieson Rd >>>> Rock Hall, MD 21661 >>>> >>>> From: CnC-List on behalf of Matthew L. >>>> Wolford via CnC-List >>>> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:08 AM >>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>> Cc: Matthew L. Wolford >>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue >>>> >>>> Agreed that cockpit drains should always be open and functioning >>>> correctly. I had one closed for some repair work on my old Ranger 26 and >>>> decided it would be safe to race the boat with one functioning cockpit >>>> drain. Worked great as long as we were on the right tack. We were >>>> nervously bailing on the other tack several miles offshore. Never again. >>>> >>>> I am curious to hear more about the idea of crossing the hoses. It does >>>> not make sense to me as the far side thru-hull would be higher when >>>> heeled. >>>> >>>> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List >>>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 10:19 AM >>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>>> Cc: Josh Muckley >>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue >>>> >>>> I apologize for creating confusi
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
I prefer the now 45 year old Groco bronze seacocks on my 35 MKII to anything plastic. I believe my boat spent the vast majority of it’s life in salt water. Even though some are located in difficult to access spaces i have managed to keep them operational once every 5 years for insurance survey. My surveyor always remarks about the quality of these Groco bonze seacocks. On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 4:39 AM sender via CnC-List wrote: > Uh oh, tempers can flare when the new F-N bomb comes out > > I think Marlon is basically PA6 or PA66 Nylon. It's become a very common > material in a lot of adverse applications. Makita, Milwaukee, Festool, > Hilti and other heavy duty tool manufacturers use it extensively. The > automotive industry now uses it extensively. I was dismayed a few years > ago when I first saw a plastic intake manifold, but they've held up fine. > I see more of it all the time in industrial equipment I work on. It's tough > stuff. > > In my last boat, I had the raw water intake handle break off an old RC > Marine valve, so I replaced it with the newer Forespar version. It became > very stiff to move to the point I was concerned it too would break. I > subsequently learned I incorrectly installed it by tightening it too much. > I was, as Billy Joel said: in a NPT state of mind. I took the valve out, > cleaned off the old goo and teflon tape and the re-installed with 4200 to > just barely snug tight. After the 4200 set up it was solid. This same > valve sprang back to it's original shape and worked fine. > > My seacocks are likely stuck due to corrosion. I wonder about hidden > corrosion between the seacock and the through hull fitting. Whether or not > I'm hooked up to shore power, I seem to chew through zincs. So for me, the > Marlon seems to be the best choice. I can appreciate others like the > solidness of a bronze fitting. To each, his own. > > Eric > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:35 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Fake news. >> >> Tom Buscaglia >> S/V Alera >> 1990 C 37+/40 >> Vashon WA >> P 206.463.9200 >> C 305.409.3660 >> >> >> On Jan 5, 2019, at 6:56 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 21:54:56 -0500 >> From: "Matthew L. Wolford" >> To: >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue >> Message-ID: <2A8B983B594848238142746DD48CD81C@InternetPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> There you have it. I guess the cautions I?ve heard and read about lack >> merit. >> >> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List >> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 5:22 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: Josh Muckley >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue >> >> For what it is worth, my boat came with Marlon all around. I've had >> absolutely no trouble at all and strongly recommend. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 5:15 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> FWIW, I?m not a big fan of marelon where there is a potential for >> breakage. I would be reluctant to use marelon seacocks for the cockpit >> scuppers on my boat. I can envision crawling around in that space (like >> working on the quadrant) and inadvertently breaking a seacock by pushing on >> it with my foot for leverage (without knowing what I?m pushing on). >> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Uh oh, tempers can flare when the new F-N bomb comes out I think Marlon is basically PA6 or PA66 Nylon. It's become a very common material in a lot of adverse applications. Makita, Milwaukee, Festool, Hilti and other heavy duty tool manufacturers use it extensively. The automotive industry now uses it extensively. I was dismayed a few years ago when I first saw a plastic intake manifold, but they've held up fine. I see more of it all the time in industrial equipment I work on. It's tough stuff. In my last boat, I had the raw water intake handle break off an old RC Marine valve, so I replaced it with the newer Forespar version. It became very stiff to move to the point I was concerned it too would break. I subsequently learned I incorrectly installed it by tightening it too much. I was, as Billy Joel said: in a NPT state of mind. I took the valve out, cleaned off the old goo and teflon tape and the re-installed with 4200 to just barely snug tight. After the 4200 set up it was solid. This same valve sprang back to it's original shape and worked fine. My seacocks are likely stuck due to corrosion. I wonder about hidden corrosion between the seacock and the through hull fitting. Whether or not I'm hooked up to shore power, I seem to chew through zincs. So for me, the Marlon seems to be the best choice. I can appreciate others like the solidness of a bronze fitting. To each, his own. Eric On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 9:35 PM Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Fake news. > > Tom Buscaglia > S/V Alera > 1990 C 37+/40 > Vashon WA > P 206.463.9200 > C 305.409.3660 > > > On Jan 5, 2019, at 6:56 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 21:54:56 -0500 > From: "Matthew L. Wolford" > To: > Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue > Message-ID: <2A8B983B594848238142746DD48CD81C@InternetPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > There you have it. I guess the cautions I?ve heard and read about lack > merit. > > From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 5:22 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Josh Muckley > Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue > > For what it is worth, my boat came with Marlon all around. I've had > absolutely no trouble at all and strongly recommend. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 5:15 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > FWIW, I?m not a big fan of marelon where there is a potential for > breakage. I would be reluctant to use marelon seacocks for the cockpit > scuppers on my boat. I can envision crawling around in that space (like > working on the quadrant) and inadvertently breaking a seacock by pushing on > it with my foot for leverage (without knowing what I?m pushing on). > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Fake news. Tom Buscaglia S/V Alera 1990 C 37+/40 Vashon WA P 206.463.9200 C 305.409.3660 > On Jan 5, 2019, at 6:56 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 21:54:56 -0500 > From: "Matthew L. Wolford" > To: > Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue > Message-ID: <2A8B983B594848238142746DD48CD81C@InternetPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > There you have it. I guess the cautions I?ve heard and read about lack merit. > > From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 5:22 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Josh Muckley > Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue > > For what it is worth, my boat came with Marlon all around. I've had > absolutely no trouble at all and strongly recommend. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 5:15 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List > wrote: > > FWIW, I?m not a big fan of marelon where there is a potential for breakage. > I would be reluctant to use marelon seacocks for the cockpit scuppers on my > boat. I can envision crawling around in that space (like working on the > quadrant) and inadvertently breaking a seacock by pushing on it with my foot > for leverage (without knowing what I?m pushing on). ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Well Matthew I wouldn't go so far as to say that your cautions are meritless. I just haven't had any trouble with mine. I understand the aversion to "plastic" - just doesn't seen strong enough. Consider on the other hand how narley some of the bronze fittings can look when left to their own devices. Josh On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 9:56 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > There you have it. I guess the cautions I’ve heard and read about lack > merit. > > *From:* Josh Muckley via CnC-List > *Sent:* Saturday, January 05, 2019 5:22 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Josh Muckley > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue > > For what it is worth, my boat came with Marlon all around. I've had > absolutely no trouble at all and strongly recommend. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 5:15 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> FWIW, I’m not a big fan of marelon where there is a potential for >> breakage. I would be reluctant to use marelon seacocks for the cockpit >> scuppers on my boat. I can envision crawling around in that space (like >> working on the quadrant) and inadvertently breaking a seacock by pushing on >> it with my foot for leverage (without knowing what I’m pushing on). >> >> *From:* sender via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 05, 2019 3:20 PM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Cc:* sender >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue >> >> Thanks to all who responded. >> >> I was hoping there would be an abundance of people in a similar >> situation, successfully freeing up the seacocks without too much >> difficulty. There wasn't, so I think I'm going to go the route of >> replacing with Marelon seacocks and hopefully be done with it for good. >> >> The secondary discussion about the lines crossing, is interesting, but >> I've never noticed any back-up of water through the existing arrangement. >> It seems to me for the crossed arrangement to work, the windward hull >> fitting would have to be well above the healed waterline to avoid water >> ingress, which means you would't get drainage of any spray when healed. Am >> I missing something here? >> >> Thanks again, >> Eric >> >> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 7:18 AM Neil Andersen via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> But by crossing the hoses, you don’t end up wit a situation where the >>> scupper and thru-hull are both below the waterline when healed. >>> >>> Neil Andersen >>> 1982 C 32 FoxFire >>> Rock Hall, MD >>> >>> Neil Andersen >>> 20691 Jamieson Rd >>> Rock Hall, MD 21661 >>> >>> -- >>> *From:* CnC-List on behalf of Matthew >>> L. Wolford via CnC-List >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 10:08 AM >>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> *Cc:* Matthew L. Wolford >>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue >>> >>> Agreed that cockpit drains should always be open and functioning >>> correctly. I had one closed for some repair work on my old Ranger 26 and >>> decided it would be safe to race the boat with one functioning cockpit >>> drain. Worked great as long as we were on the right tack. We were >>> nervously bailing on the other tack several miles offshore. Never again. >>> >>> I am curious to hear more about the idea of crossing the hoses. It does >>> not make sense to me as the far side thru-hull would be higher when >>> heeled. >>> >>> *From:* Josh Muckley via CnC-List >>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 10:19 AM >>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> *Cc:* Josh Muckley >>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue >>> >>> I apologize for creating confusion. For the reasons stated by Andrew >>> Burton, DO NOT shut cockpit drains. Period. My statement was supposed to >>> be that having seacocks open while not in use, or while away from the the >>> boat was an invitation for desaster. A better practice would be to >>> relocate the cockpit drains to a location above the waterline which would >>> eliminate the need for isolation valves and the subsequent risk incurred by >>> the necessity of leaving them open. >>> >>> I also went on to suggest that in order to keep them above water on all >>> angles of heel that you MAY need to cros
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
There you have it. I guess the cautions I’ve heard and read about lack merit. From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 5:22 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue For what it is worth, my boat came with Marlon all around. I've had absolutely no trouble at all and strongly recommend. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 5:15 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List wrote: FWIW, I’m not a big fan of marelon where there is a potential for breakage. I would be reluctant to use marelon seacocks for the cockpit scuppers on my boat. I can envision crawling around in that space (like working on the quadrant) and inadvertently breaking a seacock by pushing on it with my foot for leverage (without knowing what I’m pushing on). From: sender via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 3:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: sender Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue Thanks to all who responded. I was hoping there would be an abundance of people in a similar situation, successfully freeing up the seacocks without too much difficulty. There wasn't, so I think I'm going to go the route of replacing with Marelon seacocks and hopefully be done with it for good. The secondary discussion about the lines crossing, is interesting, but I've never noticed any back-up of water through the existing arrangement. It seems to me for the crossed arrangement to work, the windward hull fitting would have to be well above the healed waterline to avoid water ingress, which means you would't get drainage of any spray when healed. Am I missing something here? Thanks again, Eric On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 7:18 AM Neil Andersen via CnC-List wrote: But by crossing the hoses, you don’t end up wit a situation where the scupper and thru-hull are both below the waterline when healed. Neil Andersen 1982 C 32 FoxFire Rock Hall, MD Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List on behalf of Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:08 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Matthew L. Wolford Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue Agreed that cockpit drains should always be open and functioning correctly. I had one closed for some repair work on my old Ranger 26 and decided it would be safe to race the boat with one functioning cockpit drain. Worked great as long as we were on the right tack. We were nervously bailing on the other tack several miles offshore. Never again. I am curious to hear more about the idea of crossing the hoses. It does not make sense to me as the far side thru-hull would be higher when heeled. From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 10:19 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue I apologize for creating confusion. For the reasons stated by Andrew Burton, DO NOT shut cockpit drains. Period. My statement was supposed to be that having seacocks open while not in use, or while away from the the boat was an invitation for desaster. A better practice would be to relocate the cockpit drains to a location above the waterline which would eliminate the need for isolation valves and the subsequent risk incurred by the necessity of leaving them open. I also went on to suggest that in order to keep them above water on all angles of heel that you MAY need to cross the drains port-stbd though depending on the discharge location this may cause the cockpit drains to be lower than the discharge ports and subsequently not drain until the next tack. A more centralized drain is a better solution. As mentioned by others a discharge in the transom is a good solution. You want it as high above waterline as possible but below the cockpit floor. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 10:03 AM PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List wrote: Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C 40 for 3 years. (J24 Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern) When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains I am on the side mine are always open but I did service mine which required them to be taken apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil oil and careful persuasion) ). So if I wanted to I could close them I could Thanks Peter C 40 aft 1983 Portland me Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote: Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit! Andy Andrew
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For what it is worth, my boat came with Marlon all around. I've had absolutely no trouble at all and strongly recommend. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 5:15 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > FWIW, I’m not a big fan of marelon where there is a potential for > breakage. I would be reluctant to use marelon seacocks for the cockpit > scuppers on my boat. I can envision crawling around in that space (like > working on the quadrant) and inadvertently breaking a seacock by pushing on > it with my foot for leverage (without knowing what I’m pushing on). > > *From:* sender via CnC-List > *Sent:* Saturday, January 05, 2019 3:20 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* sender > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue > > Thanks to all who responded. > > I was hoping there would be an abundance of people in a similar situation, > successfully freeing up the seacocks without too much difficulty. There > wasn't, so I think I'm going to go the route of replacing with Marelon > seacocks and hopefully be done with it for good. > > The secondary discussion about the lines crossing, is interesting, but > I've never noticed any back-up of water through the existing arrangement. > It seems to me for the crossed arrangement to work, the windward hull > fitting would have to be well above the healed waterline to avoid water > ingress, which means you would't get drainage of any spray when healed. Am > I missing something here? > > Thanks again, > Eric > > On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 7:18 AM Neil Andersen via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> But by crossing the hoses, you don’t end up wit a situation where the >> scupper and thru-hull are both below the waterline when healed. >> >> Neil Andersen >> 1982 C 32 FoxFire >> Rock Hall, MD >> >> Neil Andersen >> 20691 Jamieson Rd >> Rock Hall, MD 21661 >> >> -- >> *From:* CnC-List on behalf of Matthew L. >> Wolford via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 10:08 AM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Cc:* Matthew L. Wolford >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue >> >> Agreed that cockpit drains should always be open and functioning >> correctly. I had one closed for some repair work on my old Ranger 26 and >> decided it would be safe to race the boat with one functioning cockpit >> drain. Worked great as long as we were on the right tack. We were >> nervously bailing on the other tack several miles offshore. Never again. >> >> I am curious to hear more about the idea of crossing the hoses. It does >> not make sense to me as the far side thru-hull would be higher when >> heeled. >> >> *From:* Josh Muckley via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 10:19 AM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Cc:* Josh Muckley >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue >> >> I apologize for creating confusion. For the reasons stated by Andrew >> Burton, DO NOT shut cockpit drains. Period. My statement was supposed to >> be that having seacocks open while not in use, or while away from the the >> boat was an invitation for desaster. A better practice would be to >> relocate the cockpit drains to a location above the waterline which would >> eliminate the need for isolation valves and the subsequent risk incurred by >> the necessity of leaving them open. >> >> I also went on to suggest that in order to keep them above water on all >> angles of heel that you MAY need to cross the drains port-stbd though >> depending on the discharge location this may cause the cockpit drains to be >> lower than the discharge ports and subsequently not drain until the next >> tack. A more centralized drain is a better solution. As mentioned by >> others a discharge in the transom is a good solution. You want it as high >> above waterline as possible but below the cockpit floor. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 10:03 AM PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C 40 for 3 years. >>> (J24 Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern) >>> >>> When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains I am on the side >>> mine are always open but I did service mine which required them to be taken >>> apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil
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FWIW, I’m not a big fan of marelon where there is a potential for breakage. I would be reluctant to use marelon seacocks for the cockpit scuppers on my boat. I can envision crawling around in that space (like working on the quadrant) and inadvertently breaking a seacock by pushing on it with my foot for leverage (without knowing what I’m pushing on). From: sender via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 3:20 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: sender Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue Thanks to all who responded. I was hoping there would be an abundance of people in a similar situation, successfully freeing up the seacocks without too much difficulty. There wasn't, so I think I'm going to go the route of replacing with Marelon seacocks and hopefully be done with it for good. The secondary discussion about the lines crossing, is interesting, but I've never noticed any back-up of water through the existing arrangement. It seems to me for the crossed arrangement to work, the windward hull fitting would have to be well above the healed waterline to avoid water ingress, which means you would't get drainage of any spray when healed. Am I missing something here? Thanks again, Eric On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 7:18 AM Neil Andersen via CnC-List wrote: But by crossing the hoses, you don’t end up wit a situation where the scupper and thru-hull are both below the waterline when healed. Neil Andersen 1982 C 32 FoxFire Rock Hall, MD Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 -- From: CnC-List on behalf of Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:08 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Matthew L. Wolford Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue Agreed that cockpit drains should always be open and functioning correctly. I had one closed for some repair work on my old Ranger 26 and decided it would be safe to race the boat with one functioning cockpit drain. Worked great as long as we were on the right tack. We were nervously bailing on the other tack several miles offshore. Never again. I am curious to hear more about the idea of crossing the hoses. It does not make sense to me as the far side thru-hull would be higher when heeled. From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 10:19 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue I apologize for creating confusion. For the reasons stated by Andrew Burton, DO NOT shut cockpit drains. Period. My statement was supposed to be that having seacocks open while not in use, or while away from the the boat was an invitation for desaster. A better practice would be to relocate the cockpit drains to a location above the waterline which would eliminate the need for isolation valves and the subsequent risk incurred by the necessity of leaving them open. I also went on to suggest that in order to keep them above water on all angles of heel that you MAY need to cross the drains port-stbd though depending on the discharge location this may cause the cockpit drains to be lower than the discharge ports and subsequently not drain until the next tack. A more centralized drain is a better solution. As mentioned by others a discharge in the transom is a good solution. You want it as high above waterline as possible but below the cockpit floor. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 10:03 AM PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List wrote: Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C 40 for 3 years. (J24 Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern) When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains I am on the side mine are always open but I did service mine which required them to be taken apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil oil and careful persuasion) ). So if I wanted to I could close them I could Thanks Peter C 40 aft 1983 Portland me Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote: Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit! Andy Andrew Burton 139 Tuckerman Ave Middletown, RI USA02842 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed when not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those below the water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in use. Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I suggest looking for a place to re-route your drains, to a location
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Thanks to all who responded. I was hoping there would be an abundance of people in a similar situation, successfully freeing up the seacocks without too much difficulty. There wasn't, so I think I'm going to go the route of replacing with Marelon seacocks and hopefully be done with it for good. The secondary discussion about the lines crossing, is interesting, but I've never noticed any back-up of water through the existing arrangement. It seems to me for the crossed arrangement to work, the windward hull fitting would have to be well above the healed waterline to avoid water ingress, which means you would't get drainage of any spray when healed. Am I missing something here? Thanks again, Eric On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 7:18 AM Neil Andersen via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > But by crossing the hoses, you don’t end up wit a situation where the > scupper and thru-hull are both below the waterline when healed. > > Neil Andersen > 1982 C 32 FoxFire > Rock Hall, MD > > Neil Andersen > 20691 Jamieson Rd > Rock Hall, MD 21661 > > -- > *From:* CnC-List on behalf of Matthew L. > Wolford via CnC-List > *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 10:08 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Matthew L. Wolford > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue > > Agreed that cockpit drains should always be open and functioning > correctly. I had one closed for some repair work on my old Ranger 26 and > decided it would be safe to race the boat with one functioning cockpit > drain. Worked great as long as we were on the right tack. We were > nervously bailing on the other tack several miles offshore. Never again. > > I am curious to hear more about the idea of crossing the hoses. It does > not make sense to me as the far side thru-hull would be higher when > heeled. > > *From:* Josh Muckley via CnC-List > *Sent:* Sunday, December 30, 2018 10:19 AM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Josh Muckley > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue > > I apologize for creating confusion. For the reasons stated by Andrew > Burton, DO NOT shut cockpit drains. Period. My statement was supposed to > be that having seacocks open while not in use, or while away from the the > boat was an invitation for desaster. A better practice would be to > relocate the cockpit drains to a location above the waterline which would > eliminate the need for isolation valves and the subsequent risk incurred by > the necessity of leaving them open. > > I also went on to suggest that in order to keep them above water on all > angles of heel that you MAY need to cross the drains port-stbd though > depending on the discharge location this may cause the cockpit drains to be > lower than the discharge ports and subsequently not drain until the next > tack. A more centralized drain is a better solution. As mentioned by > others a discharge in the transom is a good solution. You want it as high > above waterline as possible but below the cockpit floor. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > > On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 10:03 AM PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C 40 for 3 years. >> (J24 Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern) >> >> When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains I am on the side >> mine are always open but I did service mine which required them to be taken >> apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil oil and careful >> persuasion) ). So if I wanted to I could close them I could >> >> Thanks >> >> Peter >> C 40 aft 1983 >> Portland me >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is >> aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit! >> Andy >> >> Andrew Burton >> 139 Tuckerman Ave >> Middletown, RI >> USA02842 >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ >> +401 965-5260 >> >> On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed when >> not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those >> below the water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not >> be in use. Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I >> suggest looking for a place to re-route your drains, to a loca
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But by crossing the hoses, you don’t end up wit a situation where the scupper and thru-hull are both below the waterline when healed. Neil Andersen 1982 C 32 FoxFire Rock Hall, MD Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List on behalf of Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:08 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Matthew L. Wolford Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue Agreed that cockpit drains should always be open and functioning correctly. I had one closed for some repair work on my old Ranger 26 and decided it would be safe to race the boat with one functioning cockpit drain. Worked great as long as we were on the right tack. We were nervously bailing on the other tack several miles offshore. Never again. I am curious to hear more about the idea of crossing the hoses. It does not make sense to me as the far side thru-hull would be higher when heeled. From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 10:19 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Josh Muckley<mailto:muckl...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue I apologize for creating confusion. For the reasons stated by Andrew Burton, DO NOT shut cockpit drains. Period. My statement was supposed to be that having seacocks open while not in use, or while away from the the boat was an invitation for desaster. A better practice would be to relocate the cockpit drains to a location above the waterline which would eliminate the need for isolation valves and the subsequent risk incurred by the necessity of leaving them open. I also went on to suggest that in order to keep them above water on all angles of heel that you MAY need to cross the drains port-stbd though depending on the discharge location this may cause the cockpit drains to be lower than the discharge ports and subsequently not drain until the next tack. A more centralized drain is a better solution. As mentioned by others a discharge in the transom is a good solution. You want it as high above waterline as possible but below the cockpit floor. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 10:03 AM PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C 40 for 3 years. (J24 Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern) When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains I am on the side mine are always open but I did service mine which required them to be taken apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil oil and careful persuasion) ). So if I wanted to I could close them I could Thanks Peter C 40 aft 1983 Portland me Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit! Andy Andrew Burton 139 Tuckerman Ave Middletown, RI USA02842 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed when not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those below the water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in use. Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I suggest looking for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above the waterline, without valves, and then permanently retire the through hulls. Also consider the waterline when heeled. You may have to cross port and starboard. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of BC. I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, and had success freeing it up. https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank. The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? Thanks, Eric C 32 Sirocco 2 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to
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Agreed that cockpit drains should always be open and functioning correctly. I had one closed for some repair work on my old Ranger 26 and decided it would be safe to race the boat with one functioning cockpit drain. Worked great as long as we were on the right tack. We were nervously bailing on the other tack several miles offshore. Never again. I am curious to hear more about the idea of crossing the hoses. It does not make sense to me as the far side thru-hull would be higher when heeled. From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 10:19 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue I apologize for creating confusion. For the reasons stated by Andrew Burton, DO NOT shut cockpit drains. Period. My statement was supposed to be that having seacocks open while not in use, or while away from the the boat was an invitation for desaster. A better practice would be to relocate the cockpit drains to a location above the waterline which would eliminate the need for isolation valves and the subsequent risk incurred by the necessity of leaving them open. I also went on to suggest that in order to keep them above water on all angles of heel that you MAY need to cross the drains port-stbd though depending on the discharge location this may cause the cockpit drains to be lower than the discharge ports and subsequently not drain until the next tack. A more centralized drain is a better solution. As mentioned by others a discharge in the transom is a good solution. You want it as high above waterline as possible but below the cockpit floor. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 10:03 AM PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List wrote: Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C 40 for 3 years. (J24 Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern) When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains I am on the side mine are always open but I did service mine which required them to be taken apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil oil and careful persuasion) ). So if I wanted to I could close them I could Thanks Peter C 40 aft 1983 Portland me Sent from my iPhone On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List wrote: Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit! Andy Andrew Burton 139 Tuckerman Ave Middletown, RI USA02842 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed when not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those below the water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in use. Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I suggest looking for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above the waterline, without valves, and then permanently retire the through hulls. Also consider the waterline when heeled. You may have to cross port and starboard. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List wrote: I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of BC. I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, and had success freeing it up. https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank. The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? Thanks, Eric C 32 Sirocco 2 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one
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Through hull valves are required since they are below the waterline. This way you can control flooding if the hose fails. They also facilitate hose replacement while the boat is in the water. Josh On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 1:22 PM Richard Bush via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: > John, Josh, Andrew, et al... While I fully agree with all of the > statements about making sure the cockpit drains are always open, it got me > to thinking, so why do they put seacocks on them in the first place? The > only thing I can think of is if you're in the middle of the ocean and need > a bath? > > Richard > s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; > Richard N. Bush > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine > Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 > 502-584-7255 > > > -Original Message- > From: John and Maryann Read via CnC-List > To: cnc-list > Cc: John and Maryann Read > Sent: Sun, Dec 30, 2018 10:24 am > Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue > > Cockpit drain valves should always be open whether on the boat or not – > otherwise there is no way for water in the cockpit to drain. The valve is > there solely in the event the hose breaks or leaks. I also have frozen > valves. Have owned the boat for 20 years and never exercised them – just > too hard to get to. Suspect PO never exercised them either. Yes I know I > should get them working but just have never gotten around to it. > > The rusted bolt is where the grease fitting screws into the fiberglass > rudder shaft tube. I replaced mine with a hydraulic hose with grease cup > next to fuel tank in starboard locker. Easy to get to and easy to get > grease into tube. > > My 2 cents American > > > John and Maryann > Legacy III > 1982 C 34 > Noank, CT > > > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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John, Josh, Andrew, et al... While I fully agree with all of the statements
about making sure the cockpit drains are always open, it got me to thinking, so
why do they put seacocks on them in the first place? The only thing I can
think of is if you're in the middle of the ocean and need a bath?
Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255
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Cockpit drain valves should always be open whether on the boat or not –
otherwise there is no way for water in the cockpit to drain. The valve is
there solely in the event the hose breaks or leaks. I also have frozen valves.
Have owned the boat for 20 years and never exercised them – just too hard to
get to. Suspect PO never exercised them either. Yes I know I should get them
working but just have never gotten around to it. The rusted bolt is where the
grease fitting screws into the fiberglass rudder shaft tube. I replaced mine
with a hydraulic hose with grease cup next to fuel tank in starboard locker.
Easy to get to and easy to get grease into tube. My 2 cents American John
and MaryannLegacy III1982 C 34Noank, CT
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Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
I am the 2nd owner of a 1984 C 32 and have sailed her for 14 yrs and never had reason to close the cockpit drains and as mine were stuck when purchased I assume the previous owner never closed them. Make sure the hose and connections are good and forget it. I would be more concerned with the rudder grease cap as it is more important to keep the rudder shaft greased. I have no experience there as mine are in good condition. I would suggest starting with some rust remover treatment and then liquid wrench or DL at the cap junction and then a thin pliers on the inner shaft and a larger one on the outer cup rim and try to free the cap. If it was ever greased it just might turn. I think that the entire assembly is either screwed or glassed into the rudder shaft but not sure so hold on to the inner shaft with the thin pliers when cranking the outer cap and only apply the pliers to the rim of the outer shell ( forward end ) or you will deform the shell. Good luck John C 32 Arpeggio Norwalk,CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sender via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:18 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: sender Subject: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of BC. I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, and had success freeing it up. https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank. The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? Thanks, Eric C 32 Sirocco 2 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
I only ever operate my cockpit drains to make sure they still move. They are open otherwise. One jammed and when the boat was on the hard, I plugged the thru-hull from underneath and poured some Marvel Mystery Oil down the drain. The next day I pulled the lug, drained the oil, and the valve worked again :) Joe Coquina C 35 MK I On 12/30/2018 10:25 AM, John and Maryann Read via CnC-List wrote: Cockpit drain valves should always be open whether on the boat or not – otherwise there is no way for water in the cockpit to drain. The valve is there solely in the event the hose breaks or leaks. I also have frozen valves. Have owned the boat for 20 years and never exercised them – just too hard to get to. Suspect PO never exercised them either. Yes I know I should get them working but just have never gotten around to it. The rusted bolt is where the grease fitting screws into the fiberglass rudder shaft tube. I replaced mine with a hydraulic hose with grease cup next to fuel tank in starboard locker. Easy to get to and easy to get grease into tube. My 2 cents American John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C 34 Noank, CT ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Cockpit drain valves should always be open whether on the boat or not – otherwise there is no way for water in the cockpit to drain. The valve is there solely in the event the hose breaks or leaks. I also have frozen valves. Have owned the boat for 20 years and never exercised them – just too hard to get to. Suspect PO never exercised them either. Yes I know I should get them working but just have never gotten around to it. The rusted bolt is where the grease fitting screws into the fiberglass rudder shaft tube. I replaced mine with a hydraulic hose with grease cup next to fuel tank in starboard locker. Easy to get to and easy to get grease into tube. My 2 cents American John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C 34 Noank, CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of sender via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:18 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: sender Subject: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of BC. I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, and had success freeing it up. https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank. The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? Thanks, Eric C 32 Sirocco 2 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
I apologize for creating confusion. For the reasons stated by Andrew Burton, DO NOT shut cockpit drains. Period. My statement was supposed to be that having seacocks open while not in use, or while away from the the boat was an invitation for desaster. A better practice would be to relocate the cockpit drains to a location above the waterline which would eliminate the need for isolation valves and the subsequent risk incurred by the necessity of leaving them open. I also went on to suggest that in order to keep them above water on all angles of heel that you MAY need to cross the drains port-stbd though depending on the discharge location this may cause the cockpit drains to be lower than the discharge ports and subsequently not drain until the next tack. A more centralized drain is a better solution. As mentioned by others a discharge in the transom is a good solution. You want it as high above waterline as possible but below the cockpit floor. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 10:03 AM PETER OCAMPO via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C 40 for 3 years. > (J24 Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern) > > When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains I am on the side > mine are always open but I did service mine which required them to be taken > apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil oil and careful > persuasion) ). So if I wanted to I could close them I could > > Thanks > > Peter > C 40 aft 1983 > Portland me > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is > aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit! > Andy > > Andrew Burton > 139 Tuckerman Ave > Middletown, RI > USA02842 > > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > +401 965-5260 > > On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed when > not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those > below the water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not > be in use. Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I > suggest looking for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above > the waterline, without valves, and then permanently retire the through > hulls. > > Also consider the waterline when heeled. You may have to cross port and > starboard. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List > wrote: > >> I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out >> is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. >> This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast >> of BC. >> >> I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, >> and had success freeing it up. >> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA >> >> The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" >> panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably >> accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have >> to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank. >> >> The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, >> was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? >> >> Thanks, >> Eric >> C 32 Sirocco 2 >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Maybe dumb question but I have only been sailing on C 40 for 3 years. (J24 Catalina oday all had open cockpit drains out stern) When sailing do people regularly close cockpit drains I am on the side mine are always open but I did service mine which required them to be taken apart(frozen open— lots of pb. Blaster and kroil oil and careful persuasion) ). So if I wanted to I could close them I could Thanks Peter C 40 aft 1983 Portland me Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 30, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List > wrote: > > Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is > aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit! > Andy > > Andrew Burton > 139 Tuckerman Ave > Middletown, RI > USA02842 > > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > +401 965-5260 > >> On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List >> wrote: >> >> That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed when not >> in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those below the >> water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in use. >> Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I suggest looking >> for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above the waterline, >> without valves, and then permanently retire the through hulls. >> >> Also consider the waterline when heeled. You may have to cross port and >> starboard. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> >>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List >>> wrote: >>> I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out is >>> the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. This >>> boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of >>> BC. >>> >>> I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, >>> and had success freeing it up. >>> >>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA >>> >>> The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel >>> in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably accessible, I'd >>> just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through >>> the locker and remove the fuel tank. >>> >>> The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, >>> was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Eric >>> C 32 Sirocco 2 >>> ___ >>> >>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >>> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >>> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
Cockpit drain seacocks most assuredly should not be closed when no one is aboard...unless you plan to swim in your cockpit! Andy Andrew Burton 139 Tuckerman Ave Middletown, RI USA02842 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 > On Dec 30, 2018, at 05:10, Josh Muckley via CnC-List > wrote: > > That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed when not > in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those below the > water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in use. > Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I suggest looking > for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above the waterline, > without valves, and then permanently retire the through hulls. > > Also consider the waterline when heeled. You may have to cross port and > starboard. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C 37+ > Solomons, MD > >> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List >> wrote: >> I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out is >> the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. This >> boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of BC. >> >> I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, and >> had success freeing it up. >> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA >> >> The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel >> in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably accessible, I'd >> just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through >> the locker and remove the fuel tank. >> >> The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, was) >> a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? >> >> Thanks, >> Eric >> C 32 Sirocco 2 >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
The 32’s are crossed (or are originally). The old barrel style seacocks are a pain in the a$$, but can be disassembled. I have one now myself to do (head intake). I have been told that the square headed screw showing in your picture can be replaced by a zerc (so?) fitting to make lubing easier in the future. Neil Andersen 1982 C 32 FoxFire Rock Hall,MD Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List on behalf of Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 5:11 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed when not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those below the water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in use. Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I suggest looking for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above the waterline, without valves, and then permanently retire the through hulls. Also consider the waterline when heeled. You may have to cross port and starboard. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of BC. I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, and had success freeing it up. https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank. The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? Thanks, Eric C 32 Sirocco 2 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
That was poor engineering to begin with. Seacocks should be closed when not in use and more importantly when not on board - particularly those below the water line. There is no time when your cockpit drains will not be in use. Besides, seacocks that are inaccessible never get closed. I suggest looking for a place to re-route your drains, to a location above the waterline, without valves, and then permanently retire the through hulls. Also consider the waterline when heeled. You may have to cross port and starboard. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:18 PM sender via CnC-List wrote: > I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out > is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. > This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast > of BC. > > I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, > and had success freeing it up. > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA > > The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" > panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably > accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have > to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank. > > The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, > was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? > > Thanks, > Eric > C 32 Sirocco 2 > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Ye Olde Stuck Seacock issue
I bought earlier this year a C 32. One issue the surveyor pointed out is the seacocks for the cockpit drains are stuck in the open position. This boat has spent it's known history in cold salt water on the west coast of BC. I'm interested to know if anyone else has had this same type of seacock, and had success freeing it up. https://photos.app.goo.gl/xp1haN2nPHUneETUA The starboard side one is only barely accessible through the 12"x 12" panel in the aft end of the quarter-birth. If it was reasonably accessible, I'd just replace it, but to get 2 hands on it I'd probably have to go through the locker and remove the fuel tank. The other pic is a fitting on the rudder tube. I assume this is (well, was) a grease cup. Has anyone taken one of these on? Thanks, Eric C 32 Sirocco 2 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
