Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
I could say you're a dreamer, but you're not the only one. The reality is that III sees their APIs as gold mines that they can market to a captive audience. For example, their patron API -- a simple web interface to patron records -- probably cost them much less to develop than they get for a single license. Don't look for them to actually get off of that anytime soon. Koha might motivate them to bump there FUD generating budget, but that's about it. Cary On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu wrote: After seeing some of the cool things people can do with other ILS's and how negative developers are about III, there's always the chance they might decide to open up a bit more and engage with code4lib types (we can always dream). And if that doesn't work, maybe the Ian Walls' talk (Becoming Truly Innovative: Migrating from Millennium to Koha) will motivate them... -Esme -- Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu They extend copyrights perpetually. They don't get how that in itself is a form of theft. -- Lawrence Lessig, Free Culture On Mar 4, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Jill Ellern wrote: We tried to get some of the ILS's interested...with little success. But how knows...I did some heavy promotion to III this year...(despite the many --s, she promised to talk to headquarters) so perhaps they might help some next year... Jill -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Joseph Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:56 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who sponsored C4L10. Paul On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Ya'aqov Ziso z...@rowan.edu wrote: also, I can assure you that to help keep registration fees low we'll be leaning on our vendors ... = Who would be these vendors? Seems CODE4LIB (bringing in creative, leading edge, OpenSource ideas where ILS have monolithically reigned) are the bad dream of ILS vendors. WorldCat DeveNet/Research may make an exception, but will it be $ufficient? Ya¹aqov -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
I can't see why III would want to have anything to do with this conference. I think most of us who attend the conference are open-source types, and are trying to do things beyond what we could do with the vendors (who are risk-averse and profit-oriented.) If III wants to be truly innovative, they should send a technical person (not a sales person) to this conference. Martin -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Cary Gordon Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 9:37 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals I could say you're a dreamer, but you're not the only one. The reality is that III sees their APIs as gold mines that they can market to a captive audience. For example, their patron API -- a simple web interface to patron records -- probably cost them much less to develop than they get for a single license. Don't look for them to actually get off of that anytime soon. Koha might motivate them to bump there FUD generating budget, but that's about it. Cary On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu wrote: After seeing some of the cool things people can do with other ILS's and how negative developers are about III, there's always the chance they might decide to open up a bit more and engage with code4lib types (we can always dream). And if that doesn't work, maybe the Ian Walls' talk (Becoming Truly Innovative: Migrating from Millennium to Koha) will motivate them... -Esme -- Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu They extend copyrights perpetually. They don't get how that in itself is a form of theft. -- Lawrence Lessig, Free Culture On Mar 4, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Jill Ellern wrote: We tried to get some of the ILS's interested...with little success. But how knows...I did some heavy promotion to III this year...(despite the many --s, she promised to talk to headquarters) so perhaps they might help some next year... Jill -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Joseph Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:56 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who sponsored C4L10. Paul On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Ya'aqov Ziso z...@rowan.edu wrote: also, I can assure you that to help keep registration fees low we'll be leaning on our vendors ... = Who would be these vendors? Seems CODE4LIB (bringing in creative, leading edge, OpenSource ideas where ILS have monolithically reigned) are the bad dream of ILS vendors. WorldCat DeveNet/Research may make an exception, but will it be $ufficient? Ya¹aqov -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
Hiya - San Diego is friggin expensive, and we don't have a small campus feel at all. Robert McDonald and I worked out the costs a few years ago and we'd be almost double what Asheville conf cost folks. It's killing me not to have you all out to paradise in Feb, but I can barely afford to live here :) D -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Walter Lewis Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:21 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals On 3 Mar 10, at 9:52 AM, Julia Bauder wrote: Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the last minute, which isn't fun for anyone. somewhere_out_of_nor'easter_and_lake_effect_range_in_february++ Actually there is a clear line (at least on the eastern half of the continent) where the further north you go, the *less* snow you got this. Buffalo is trailing a number of places on the east coast in total snow accumulation and Toronto has been dusted a few times this winter, with nothing of real substance. Detroit and Chicago were well below seasonal averages last time I checked. ALL of that said, where are the San Diego gang or the folks from Miami? Walter who can only dream of pubs with open patios in February
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
Miami is also very expensive, it's considered top 3 now in the most expensive places to live, plus I must add that Feb is also our high season which means hotel rates and airfares are more than double the usual rates. We also have a poor public transportation system... sorry, unless someone else in Florida can host the conference. Vanessa Meireles v.meire...@miami.edu Computer Programmer, Information Mgmt Systems and Digital Initiatives University of Miami Richter Library Coral Gables, FL 33124-0320 URL: http://www.library.miami.edu/ -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Fleming, Declan Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:24 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Hiya - San Diego is friggin expensive, and we don't have a small campus feel at all. Robert McDonald and I worked out the costs a few years ago and we'd be almost double what Asheville conf cost folks. It's killing me not to have you all out to paradise in Feb, but I can barely afford to live here :) D -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Walter Lewis Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:21 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals On 3 Mar 10, at 9:52 AM, Julia Bauder wrote: Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the last minute, which isn't fun for anyone. somewhere_out_of_nor'easter_and_lake_effect_range_in_february++ Actually there is a clear line (at least on the eastern half of the continent) where the further north you go, the *less* snow you got this. Buffalo is trailing a number of places on the east coast in total snow accumulation and Toronto has been dusted a few times this winter, with nothing of real substance. Detroit and Chicago were well below seasonal averages last time I checked. ALL of that said, where are the San Diego gang or the folks from Miami? Walter who can only dream of pubs with open patios in February
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
Anyone interested in Burlington, Vt.? If I had some help (and the deadline extended a couple days) I'd be willing to throw in the hat. Sibyl Schaefer University of Vermont On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Meireles, Vanessa v.meire...@miami.edu wrote: Miami is also very expensive, it's considered top 3 now in the most expensive places to live, plus I must add that Feb is also our high season which means hotel rates and airfares are more than double the usual rates. We also have a poor public transportation system... sorry, unless someone else in Florida can host the conference. Vanessa Meireles v.meire...@miami.edu Computer Programmer, Information Mgmt Systems and Digital Initiatives University of Miami Richter Library Coral Gables, FL 33124-0320 URL: http://www.library.miami.edu/ -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Fleming, Declan Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:24 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Hiya - San Diego is friggin expensive, and we don't have a small campus feel at all. Robert McDonald and I worked out the costs a few years ago and we'd be almost double what Asheville conf cost folks. It's killing me not to have you all out to paradise in Feb, but I can barely afford to live here :) D -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Walter Lewis Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:21 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals On 3 Mar 10, at 9:52 AM, Julia Bauder wrote: Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the last minute, which isn't fun for anyone. somewhere_out_of_nor'easter_and_lake_effect_range_in_february++ Actually there is a clear line (at least on the eastern half of the continent) where the further north you go, the *less* snow you got this. Buffalo is trailing a number of places on the east coast in total snow accumulation and Toronto has been dusted a few times this winter, with nothing of real substance. Detroit and Chicago were well below seasonal averages last time I checked. ALL of that said, where are the San Diego gang or the folks from Miami? Walter who can only dream of pubs with open patios in February
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
Hi Sibyl, I'd love Burlington. It might not be warm but there is a lot of good winter activities. However, It is probably too late for this year to find out what the costs, etc. are, but if you want to put a proposal for 2012, count me in. Edward On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Sibyl Schaefer sibylschae...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone interested in Burlington, Vt.? If I had some help (and the deadline extended a couple days) I'd be willing to throw in the hat. Sibyl Schaefer University of Vermont On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Meireles, Vanessa v.meire...@miami.edu wrote: Miami is also very expensive, it's considered top 3 now in the most expensive places to live, plus I must add that Feb is also our high season which means hotel rates and airfares are more than double the usual rates. We also have a poor public transportation system... sorry, unless someone else in Florida can host the conference. Vanessa Meireles v.meire...@miami.edu Computer Programmer, Information Mgmt Systems and Digital Initiatives University of Miami Richter Library Coral Gables, FL 33124-0320 URL: http://www.library.miami.edu/ -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Fleming, Declan Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:24 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Hiya - San Diego is friggin expensive, and we don't have a small campus feel at all. Robert McDonald and I worked out the costs a few years ago and we'd be almost double what Asheville conf cost folks. It's killing me not to have you all out to paradise in Feb, but I can barely afford to live here :) D -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Walter Lewis Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:21 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals On 3 Mar 10, at 9:52 AM, Julia Bauder wrote: Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the last minute, which isn't fun for anyone. somewhere_out_of_nor'easter_and_lake_effect_range_in_february++ Actually there is a clear line (at least on the eastern half of the continent) where the further north you go, the *less* snow you got this. Buffalo is trailing a number of places on the east coast in total snow accumulation and Toronto has been dusted a few times this winter, with nothing of real substance. Detroit and Chicago were well below seasonal averages last time I checked. ALL of that said, where are the San Diego gang or the folks from Miami? Walter who can only dream of pubs with open patios in February
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
I don't like the idea of Ithaca either, too cold... personally I prefer Vancouver or Austin. Vanessa Meireles v.meire...@miami.edu Computer Programmer, Information Mgmt Systems and Digital Initiatives University of Miami Richter Library Coral Gables, FL 33124-0320 URL: http://www.library.miami.edu/ -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ethan Gruber Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:36 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ma, Hong h...@miami.edu wrote: Agree with Carol. Austin is good. Thanks, Hong Hong Ma Information Systems Librarian Otto G. Richter Library University of Miami 1300 Memorial Dr., Rm.301-A Coral Gables, FL 33124 h...@miami.edu (305) 284-8844 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Snowy northern climes-- Carol (still hoping for a bid from Austin) From: Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Date: 03/03/2010 09:00 AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Sent by: Code for Libraries CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira ja...@cornell.edu wrote: I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the planning commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011. ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a nice venue for c4l11. Kevin
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
I'm sorry to confirm that we're not working on a proposal for next year's Code4Lib. Due to a couple of big projects planned for next year, my coworkers and I won't have time to coordinate anything extra, and none of the other institutions in the state have expressed interest in serving as the lead on this. If you know developers in Texas, you could certainly try to change their minds... However, you are all always welcome to come to Austin for SXSW Interactive! Danielle Cunniff Plumer, Coordinator Texas Heritage Online Texas State Library and Archives Commission 512.463.5852 (phone) / 512.936.2306 (fax) dplu...@tsl.state.tx.us From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Michael J. Giarlo Sent: Wed 3/3/2010 8:56 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals A quick thread recap: There is no proposal from the Austin folks and they have thus far not expressed interest in hosting. So far we've received three intend to propose messages, and those are for Vancouver, New Haven, and Ithaca. The deadline for actual hosting proposals is Friday. Voting on hosting proposals will presumably take place in the usual way, via Ross Singer's el diebold-o-tron-o-matic-o, not in an e-mail thread. -Mike
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
Vancouver ++ February (so I can go) ++ Thanks, Cary -- Cary Gordon The Cherry Hill Company http://chillco.com
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
We tried to get some of the ILS's interested...with little success. But how knows...I did some heavy promotion to III this year...(despite the many --s, she promised to talk to headquarters) so perhaps they might help some next year... Jill -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Joseph Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:56 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who sponsored C4L10. Paul On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Ya'aqov Ziso z...@rowan.edu wrote: also, I can assure you that to help keep registration fees low we'll be leaning on our vendors ... = Who would be these vendors? Seems CODE4LIB (bringing in creative, leading edge, OpenSource ideas where ILS have monolithically reigned) are the bad dream of ILS vendors. WorldCat DeveNet/Research may make an exception, but will it be $ufficient? Ya¹aqov
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
After seeing some of the cool things people can do with other ILS's and how negative developers are about III, there's always the chance they might decide to open up a bit more and engage with code4lib types (we can always dream). And if that doesn't work, maybe the Ian Walls' talk (Becoming Truly Innovative: Migrating from Millennium to Koha) will motivate them... -Esme -- Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu They extend copyrights perpetually. They don't get how that in itself is a form of theft. -- Lawrence Lessig, Free Culture On Mar 4, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Jill Ellern wrote: We tried to get some of the ILS's interested...with little success. But how knows...I did some heavy promotion to III this year...(despite the many --s, she promised to talk to headquarters) so perhaps they might help some next year... Jill -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Joseph Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:56 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who sponsored C4L10. Paul On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Ya'aqov Ziso z...@rowan.edu wrote: also, I can assure you that to help keep registration fees low we'll be leaning on our vendors ... = Who would be these vendors? Seems CODE4LIB (bringing in creative, leading edge, OpenSource ideas where ILS have monolithically reigned) are the bad dream of ILS vendors. WorldCat DeveNet/Research may make an exception, but will it be $ufficient? Ya¹aqov
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
Loins, Daniel wrote: Well, I've been meaning to toss New Haven, CT, into the ring, but was waiting to get more feedback/expressions of interest from my colleagues here (and also thinking that 2012 might be better for East Coast). Anyway, I can try to have a skeletal proposal ready by the 5th (unless someone at Yale tries to talk me out of it). Daniel Personally, I think the more applications the better. So I say go for it. Also, I hope some of the sites that weren't voted in last time re-submit their application. Edward On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote: SIDEBAR: Granted these economic times, but am I the only one who's surprised not to hear more interest in hosting next year's conference? Yes, yes, we're a bunch of damned procrastinators, I know. -Mike On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 21:41, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote: On 2 March 2010, Ziso, Ya'aqov wrote: Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference, and most likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left in the budget), s/Many/Many American/ but I know what you mean. I don't see a local chapter meeting as conflicting with the full conference, and don't think that's anything to worry about. I'd like to go to Vancouver for a Code4Lib---it's certainly easy for me to get to, from Toronto, and I won't have the difficulties and anxieties that come from travelling into the US---but I hope some small to mid-size American cities put in too. Providence and Asheville were great to visit. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
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Any word on if the Austin, TX folks are going to submit a proposal this year? They had a pretty good run for votes last year... Thanks, Becky import motivation On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Edward M. Corrado ecorr...@ecorrado.uswrote: Loins, Daniel wrote: Well, I've been meaning to toss New Haven, CT, into the ring, but was waiting to get more feedback/expressions of interest from my colleagues here (and also thinking that 2012 might be better for East Coast). Anyway, I can try to have a skeletal proposal ready by the 5th (unless someone at Yale tries to talk me out of it). Daniel Personally, I think the more applications the better. So I say go for it. Also, I hope some of the sites that weren't voted in last time re-submit their application. Edward
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+1 for Austin. Especially if we can time it the week before or after SXSW. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -Original Message- From: Becky Yoose b.yo...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:44:44 To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Any word on if the Austin, TX folks are going to submit a proposal this year? They had a pretty good run for votes last year... Thanks, Becky import motivation On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Edward M. Corrado ecorr...@ecorrado.uswrote: Loins, Daniel wrote: Well, I've been meaning to toss New Haven, CT, into the ring, but was waiting to get more feedback/expressions of interest from my colleagues here (and also thinking that 2012 might be better for East Coast). Anyway, I can try to have a skeletal proposal ready by the 5th (unless someone at Yale tries to talk me out of it). Daniel Personally, I think the more applications the better. So I say go for it. Also, I hope some of the sites that weren't voted in last time re-submit their application. Edward
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John, I would say the town of Ithaca would be a good location. I don't know any specifics about the facilities or costs for a conference our size though. I would assume that maybe Cornell has some space if the timing is right but I'm not sure. I do know when I stayed at the campus hotel was really nice for the price (it is ran by students). I've been to Ithaca for smaller conferences (~60 people) before moving to Binghamton and enjoyed it. Getting to Ithaca might not be the easiest, but probably no worse than Asheville, Athens, or Corvallis. Since I'm in Binghamton, if you do decide to submit something, let me know if you need any help. Edward John Fereira wrote: Mark A. Matienzo wrote: +1 for New Haven (if not for 2011, then for 2012). Daniel, feel free to give me a shout if you'd like any help putting together the proposal! I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the planning commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011. I know you (Mark) have recently been her (sorry I wasn't able to get to your talk) so if you want to comment on whether or not Ithaca would be a good location I might look into it a bit. I've been to a conference in Vancouver and would love to visit again but from reading the feedback from the Jasig conference held there a few years ago the biggest complaint from attendees was the cost. Of course, the planning committee did choose a rather expensive hotel for the conference location though.
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira ja...@cornell.edu wrote: I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the planning commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011. ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a nice venue for c4l11. Kevin
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Snowy northern climes-- Carol (still hoping for a bid from Austin) From: Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Date: 03/03/2010 09:00 AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Sent by: Code for Libraries CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira ja...@cornell.edu wrote: I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the planning commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011. ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a nice venue for c4l11. Kevin
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Agree with Carol. Austin is good. Thanks, Hong Hong Ma Information Systems Librarian Otto G. Richter Library University of Miami 1300 Memorial Dr., Rm.301-A Coral Gables, FL 33124 h...@miami.edu (305) 284-8844 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Snowy northern climes-- Carol (still hoping for a bid from Austin) From: Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Date: 03/03/2010 09:00 AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Sent by: Code for Libraries CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira ja...@cornell.edu wrote: I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the planning commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011. ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a nice venue for c4l11. Kevin
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Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ma, Hong h...@miami.edu wrote: Agree with Carol. Austin is good. Thanks, Hong Hong Ma Information Systems Librarian Otto G. Richter Library University of Miami 1300 Memorial Dr., Rm.301-A Coral Gables, FL 33124 h...@miami.edu (305) 284-8844 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Snowy northern climes-- Carol (still hoping for a bid from Austin) From: Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Date: 03/03/2010 09:00 AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Sent by: Code for Libraries CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira ja...@cornell.edu wrote: I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the planning commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011. ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a nice venue for c4l11. Kevin
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The date is not etched in stone. -Ross. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ma, Hong h...@miami.edu wrote: Agree with Carol. Austin is good. Thanks, Hong Hong Ma Information Systems Librarian Otto G. Richter Library University of Miami 1300 Memorial Dr., Rm.301-A Coral Gables, FL 33124 h...@miami.edu (305) 284-8844 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Snowy northern climes-- Carol (still hoping for a bid from Austin) From: Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Date: 03/03/2010 09:00 AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Sent by: Code for Libraries CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira ja...@cornell.edu wrote: I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the planning commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011. ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a nice venue for c4l11. Kevin
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
also, I can assure you that to help keep registration fees low we'll be leaning on our vendors ... = Who would be these vendors? Seems CODE4LIB (bringing in creative, leading edge, OpenSource ideas where ILS have monolithically reigned) are the bad dream of ILS vendors. WorldCat DeveNet/Research may make an exception, but will it be $ufficient? Ya¹aqov
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+1 Austin, on my short list of cool places to visit Thanks, Rick -- -- Rick Johnson Systems Analyst Manager, Digital Library Applications and Local Programming Unit Library Information Systems University of Notre Dame Michiana Academic Library Consortium Notre Dame, IN USA 46556 http://www.library.nd.edu 574-631-1086 From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ross Singer [rossfsin...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:36 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals The date is not etched in stone. -Ross. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ma, Hong h...@miami.edu wrote: Agree with Carol. Austin is good. Thanks, Hong Hong Ma Information Systems Librarian Otto G. Richter Library University of Miami 1300 Memorial Dr., Rm.301-A Coral Gables, FL 33124 h...@miami.edu (305) 284-8844 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Snowy northern climes-- Carol (still hoping for a bid from Austin) From: Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Date: 03/03/2010 09:00 AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Sent by: Code for Libraries CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira ja...@cornell.edu wrote: I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the planning commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011. ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a nice venue for c4l11. Kevin
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Born raised in Ithaca, went to college there (Go Big Red!) and I love it there. BUT I have to agree that February in Ithaca can be dreary. They have a decent restaurant and pub scene but one of the key attractions for Ithaca is the outdoor activities. Though we could do a wine tour! And visit Wegmans. And eat good bagels. And half moon cookies. And drink Ithaca beers. I've changed my mind - I'm all over Ithaca for C4L11. I have some very strong opinions on venue though. :-) Tania -- Tania Fersenheim Manager of Library Systems Brandeis University Library and Technology Services 415 South Street, (MS 017/P.O. Box 549110) Waltham, MA 02454-9110 Phone: 781.736.4698 Fax: 781.736.4577 email: tan...@brandeis.edu -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Ethan Gruber Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:36 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly.
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I'm looking out my windows--it is. warm_places_in_february++ On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ma, Hong h...@miami.edu wrote: Agree with Carol. Austin is good. Thanks, Hong Hong Ma Information Systems Librarian Otto G. Richter Library University of Miami 1300 Memorial Dr., Rm.301-A Coral Gables, FL 33124 h...@miami.edu (305) 284-8844 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Snowy northern climes-- Carol (still hoping for a bid from Austin) From: Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Date: 03/03/2010 09:00 AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Sent by: Code for Libraries CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira ja...@cornell.edu wrote: I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the planning commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011. ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a nice venue for c4l11. Kevin -- Andrew Darby Web Services Librarian Ithaca College Library http://www.ithaca.edu/library/ ada...@ithaca.edu
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ithaca_in_april++ -Esme -- Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu A person, who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person. (This is very important. Pay attention. It never fails.) -- Dave Barry On Mar 3, 2010, at 9:36 AM, Ross Singer wrote: The date is not etched in stone. -Ross. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ma, Hong h...@miami.edu wrote: Agree with Carol. Austin is good. Thanks, Hong Hong Ma Information Systems Librarian Otto G. Richter Library University of Miami 1300 Memorial Dr., Rm.301-A Coral Gables, FL 33124 h...@miami.edu (305) 284-8844 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Snowy northern climes-- Carol (still hoping for a bid from Austin) From: Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Date: 03/03/2010 09:00 AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Sent by: Code for Libraries CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira ja...@cornell.edu wrote: I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the planning commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011. ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a nice venue for c4l11. Kevin
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Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the last minute, which isn't fun for anyone. somewhere_out_of_nor'easter_and_lake_effect_range_in_february++ JMB On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Andrew Darby darby.li...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking out my windows--it is. warm_places_in_february++ On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Ethan Gruber ewg4x...@gmail.com wrote: Ithaca in February sounds kind of depressing, honestly. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Ma, Hong h...@miami.edu wrote: Agree with Carol. Austin is good. Thanks, Hong Hong Ma Information Systems Librarian Otto G. Richter Library University of Miami 1300 Memorial Dr., Rm.301-A Coral Gables, FL 33124 h...@miami.edu (305) 284-8844 -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Carol Bean Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:06 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Snowy northern climes-- Carol (still hoping for a bid from Austin) From: Kevin S. Clarke kscla...@gmail.com To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Date: 03/03/2010 09:00 AM Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Sent by: Code for Libraries CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:35 AM, John Fereira ja...@cornell.edu wrote: I've got a bit of conference planning burnout after being on the planning commitee for the Jasig conference for the sixth time in a row but I'm inclined to throw out Ithaca, NY as a possible location for 2011. ooh, +1 ... I was born in Ithaca, but haven't been back since; I'd love an excuse to visit and explore! From what I hear, it would make a nice venue for c4l11. Kevin -- Andrew Darby Web Services Librarian Ithaca College Library http://www.ithaca.edu/library/ ada...@ithaca.edu
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A quick thread recap: There is no proposal from the Austin folks and they have thus far not expressed interest in hosting. So far we've received three intend to propose messages, and those are for Vancouver, New Haven, and Ithaca. The deadline for actual hosting proposals is Friday. Voting on hosting proposals will presumably take place in the usual way, via Ross Singer's el diebold-o-tron-o-matic-o, not in an e-mail thread. -Mike
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No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who sponsored C4L10. Paul On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Ya'aqov Ziso z...@rowan.edu wrote: also, I can assure you that to help keep registration fees low we'll be leaning on our vendors ... = Who would be these vendors? Seems CODE4LIB (bringing in creative, leading edge, OpenSource ideas where ILS have monolithically reigned) are the bad dream of ILS vendors. WorldCat DeveNet/Research may make an exception, but will it be $ufficient? Ya¹aqov
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Tania Fersenheim wrote: Born raised in Ithaca, went to college there (Go Big Red!) and I love it there. BUT I have to agree that February in Ithaca can be dreary. They have a decent restaurant and pub scene but one of the key attractions for Ithaca is the outdoor activities. Though we could do a wine tour! And visit Wegmans. And eat good bagels. And half moon cookies. And drink Ithaca beers. I've changed my mind - I'm all over Ithaca for C4L11. I have some very strong opinions on venue though. :-) Please share your opinions on the venue. The campus hotel that Edward mentioned (Statler) would almost certainly be able to accommodate attendees and provide meeting space but, if it were up to me, I would probably prefer the Hilton Garden Inn downtown. There is just a lot more going on downtown, especially the restaurant and pub scene. Cornell has a big hotel school and it seems that a lot of graduates end up coming back and opening restaurants. As a result there are a *lot* of very good restaurants in town, and only in the last few years have a few of the chains started to open up shop. As you said, winery tours would be easy to arrange. There are over 200 wineries in the Finger Lakes area and the quality has significantly improved in the 15 years or so I've lived her. The area produces some of the best Riesling you'll find anywhere as well as some outstanding Ice wines. For outdoor activities, things would be somewhat limited in February (many of the gorge trails are closed in winter). When the water warms though, a very good friend of mine opens his kayak shop for rentals where one can paddle onto Cayuga lake. I remember when I attended the Code4Lib in Providence the weather was as good or better here then it was in Providence. Still, scheduling a conference in February *could* mean significant snowfalls (we got about 2' of snow about a week ago). Ithaca has a regional airport with direct flights from Philadelphia, Detroit, La Guardia, and Newark. Binghamton and Elmira airports are 30-40 miles away and Syracuse airport is about 50 miles away (an expensive shuttle bus is available for transport to/from Ithaca). Syracuse is also on an Amtrak line. Tania -- John Fereira Cornell University Twitter: @john_fereira Google Wave: fere...@googlewave.com
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Julia Bauder wrote: Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the last minute, which isn't fun for anyone. On the other hand, the farther north you go, the more likely airports would be better prepared to handle winter weather. It seems that a foot of snow can cripple transportation when it arrives in more southern locales but it hardly gets noticed when it hits a place like Syracuse. -- John Fereira Cornell University Twitter: @john_fereira Google Wave: fere...@googlewave.com
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Paul Joseph pjjos...@gmail.com wrote: No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who sponsored C4L10. Just to be clear on this -- the same suspects actually shelled out far less for C4L10 than they had in the past. And we had far fewer sponsors than we had in, say, Portland (which required similar economic gymnastics, in a much stronger economy, to keep it affordable). -Ross.
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On 3/3/10 3/3/10 7:22 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Paul Joseph pjjos...@gmail.com wrote: No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who sponsored C4L10. Just to be clear on this -- the same suspects actually shelled out far less for C4L10 than they had in the past. Just to clarify the clarification, OCLC continued our support at the highest level this year, as we have since the conference began. Roy
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Yes, OCLC did continue its longstanding sponsorship at our highest level (thanks OCLC!!), but folks thinking about planning should note that we did see a 24% drop in the overall amount of sponsorship this year (when compared to the previous year). I don't know if that will continue or not (has the economy turned around yet?) but it's certainly something to consider as you're planning. Institutions with plans for increasing sponsorship, or covering many of the costs themselves (like ASU and WCU did with the vans and tech/video), would have a leg up, I'd think. Fwiw, Kevin On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Roy Tennant tenna...@oclc.org wrote: On 3/3/10 3/3/10 € 7:22 AM, Ross Singer rossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Paul Joseph pjjos...@gmail.com wrote: No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who sponsored C4L10. Just to be clear on this -- the same suspects actually shelled out far less for C4L10 than they had in the past. Just to clarify the clarification, OCLC continued our support at the highest level this year, as we have since the conference began. Roy
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OCLC continued our support at the highest level this year, as we have since the conference began. Roy == However OCLC Research are calculating such support, it would have been more helpful to have sent to the Conference more of those developers working with us on OCLC web services. Their participation was sorely missed. Ya¹aqov
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A big old thank you to OCLC for the support! It is deeply appreciated. -t On 3/3/10 10:34 AM, Roy Tennant wrote: On 3/3/10 3/3/10 € 7:22 AM, Ross Singerrossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Paul Josephpjjos...@gmail.com wrote: No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who sponsored C4L10. Just to be clear on this -- the same suspects actually shelled out far less for C4L10 than they had in the past. Just to clarify the clarification, OCLC continued our support at the highest level this year, as we have since the conference began. Roy
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On 3 Mar 10, at 9:52 AM, Julia Bauder wrote: Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the last minute, which isn't fun for anyone. somewhere_out_of_nor'easter_and_lake_effect_range_in_february++ Actually there is a clear line (at least on the eastern half of the continent) where the further north you go, the *less* snow you got this. Buffalo is trailing a number of places on the east coast in total snow accumulation and Toronto has been dusted a few times this winter, with nothing of real substance. Detroit and Chicago were well below seasonal averages last time I checked. ALL of that said, where are the San Diego gang or the folks from Miami? Walter who can only dream of pubs with open patios in February
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OCLC++ We will gladly suffer Roy Tennant's presence in exchange for continuing support. -Mike P.S. But seriously: OCLC++ On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:10, Tim Shearer sh...@ils.unc.edu wrote: A big old thank you to OCLC for the support! It is deeply appreciated. -t On 3/3/10 10:34 AM, Roy Tennant wrote: On 3/3/10 3/3/10 € 7:22 AM, Ross Singerrossfsin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Paul Josephpjjos...@gmail.com wrote: No need to be concerned about the vendors: they're the same suspects who sponsored C4L10. Just to be clear on this -- the same suspects actually shelled out far less for C4L10 than they had in the past. Just to clarify the clarification, OCLC continued our support at the highest level this year, as we have since the conference began. Roy
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ALL of that said, where are the San Diego gang la_jolla++ BigD? --Dave == David Walker Library Web Services Manager California State University http://xerxes.calstate.edu From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Walter Lewis [lew...@hhpl.on.ca] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:20 AM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals On 3 Mar 10, at 9:52 AM, Julia Bauder wrote: Also, the farther north we go, the more likely that snow+airplane incompatibilities will foil speakers' (and attendees'!) travel plans at the last minute, which isn't fun for anyone. somewhere_out_of_nor'easter_and_lake_effect_range_in_february++ Actually there is a clear line (at least on the eastern half of the continent) where the further north you go, the *less* snow you got this. Buffalo is trailing a number of places on the east coast in total snow accumulation and Toronto has been dusted a few times this winter, with nothing of real substance. Detroit and Chicago were well below seasonal averages last time I checked. ALL of that said, where are the San Diego gang or the folks from Miami? Walter who can only dream of pubs with open patios in February
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West? Asheville, NC is West? It's less than 300 miles from the Atlantic Ocean. I'm not sure how much further you have to go East to be closer to the east coast. Roy On 3/3/10 3/3/10 2:15 PM, Simon Spero sesunc...@gmail.com wrote: Like I said on the channel, after going west side this year, having something closer to the east coast might be nice. BTW, what was the final head count (assuming one head person?) Simon
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Roy Tennant tenna...@oclc.org wrote: West? Asheville, NC is West? It's less than 300 miles from the Atlantic Ocean. I'm not sure how much further you have to go East to be closer to the east coast. This may help explain the difference: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/22/AR2005052200866_2.html
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It's true. Eastern Carolina barbecue is better. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Simon Spero sesunc...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Roy Tennant tenna...@oclc.org wrote: West? Asheville, NC is West? It's less than 300 miles from the Atlantic Ocean. I'm not sure how much further you have to go East to be closer to the east coast. This may help explain the difference: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/22/AR2005052200866_2.html
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If you live on the same continent as me, I'm pretty sure Asheville NC is a lot closer to the east coast than to the west, no? It was, however, in West Carolina, a state I hadn't previously known existed. (Just kidding). From: Code for Libraries [code4...@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Simon Spero [sesunc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:15 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Like I said on the channel, after going west side this year, having something closer to the east coast might be nice. BTW, what was the final head count (assuming one head person?) Simon
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Simon Spero sesunc...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, what was the final head count (assuming one head person?) 254 was the final head count. Kevin
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Yes, a group of us at the University of British Columbia and Simon Fraser University in sushi-ski-beach-beer-MichaelBuble-soaked Vancouver, BC are intending on submitting a proposal to host. More specifically, I wonder what thoughts people have about how a VanC4L2011 might affect / be affected by the C4L North proposal, and Eric's comment that C4L was originally envisioned as an Access USA. There seems to be a strong contingent on both sides of the 49th parallel these days. Having worked for UBC and SFU for a number of years (though, from Toronto), I'll add my +1 to Vancouver for a 2011 venue. But I'm still pushing for Kingston in May as well. MJ
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MJ Suhonos wrote: Yes, a group of us at the University of British Columbia and Simon Fraser University in sushi-ski-beach-beer-MichaelBuble-soaked Vancouver, BC are intending on submitting a proposal to host. More specifically, I wonder what thoughts people have about how a VanC4L2011 might affect / be affected by the C4L North proposal, and Eric's comment that C4L was originally envisioned as an Access USA. There seems to be a strong contingent on both sides of the 49th parallel these days. Having worked for UBC and SFU for a number of years (though, from Toronto), I'll add my +1 to Vancouver for a 2011 venue. But I'm still pushing for Kingston in May as well. MJ I don't think it should effect the C4L North proposal at all . I see these regional thinks as separate events. If it would effect any, I think the C$L Northwest in Portland would be effected the most - but either way, the regional groups should continue to move forward. C4L being held in Canada may effect voting, I don't know. We'll have to see what people vote and what other options appear. I do think there is something to C4L being south of the border and C4L being north but now that C4L is established and is not really the same as Access (and is in a different time frame) maybe that distinction isn't as important as it once was. Having recently been to Vancouver, I can tell you I'm more concerned about costs then it being in Canada (although I guess it being in Canada is related to the costs to some degree). Edward
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As someone who has done a lot of US-Vancouver travel, here's a protip: Fly into Sea-Tac and then take the Quick Shuttle (http://www.quickcoach.com/) across the border ($40ish USD). You won't get dinged on airport international travel fees and you will have a lot more flight options. Just in case the international travel costs were going to factor in to anyone's attendance... -Sean On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:14 AM, MJ Suhonos wrote: Yes, a group of us at the University of British Columbia and Simon Fraser University in sushi-ski-beach-beer-MichaelBuble-soaked Vancouver, BC are intending on submitting a proposal to host. More specifically, I wonder what thoughts people have about how a VanC4L2011 might affect / be affected by the C4L North proposal, and Eric's comment that C4L was originally envisioned as an Access USA. There seems to be a strong contingent on both sides of the 49th parallel these days. Having worked for UBC and SFU for a number of years (though, from Toronto), I'll add my +1 to Vancouver for a 2011 venue. But I'm still pushing for Kingston in May as well. MJ
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Hey MJ, - MJ Suhonos m...@suhonos.ca wrote: More specifically, I wonder what thoughts people have about how a VanC4L2011 might affect / be affected by the C4L North proposal, and Eric's comment that C4L was originally envisioned as an Access USA. There seems to be a strong contingent on both sides of the 49th parallel these days. In our western ignorance Paul and I hadn't even considered the possible impact of a Vancouver c4l on the May conference back east... but if people see that impact as greater than negligible, please speak up. Mark
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Mark Jordan wrote: Hey MJ, - MJ Suhonos m...@suhonos.ca wrote: More specifically, I wonder what thoughts people have about how a VanC4L2011 might affect / be affected by the C4L North proposal, and Eric's comment that C4L was originally envisioned as an Access USA. There seems to be a strong contingent on both sides of the 49th parallel these days. In our western ignorance Paul and I hadn't even considered the possible impact of a Vancouver c4l on the May conference back east... but if people see that impact as greater than negligible, please speak up. That's okay. As an easterner (although I am formerly a west coaster) I hadn't considered that a Vancouver code4lib conference might impact a Code4Lib North conference in May. If at all possible I'd consider going to both of them. -- John Fereira Cornell University Twitter: @john_fereira Google Wave: fere...@googlewave.com
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More specifically, I wonder what thoughts people have about how a VanC4L2011 might affect / be affected by the C4L North proposal, and Eric's comment that C4L was originally envisioned as an Access USA. There seems to be a strong contingent on both sides of the 49th parallel these days. In our western ignorance Paul and I hadn't even considered the possible impact of a Vancouver c4l on the May conference back east... but if people see that impact as greater than negligible, please speak up. Oh, that's right, it's all warm weather and Olympic gold medals and centre of the universe to you Vancouver folks. Sheesh. There is a world East of the Rockies, you know. ;-) To be clear, I'd assumed any impact would be negligible, and as Edward says, the regional meet-ups considered as separate -- if anything, complimentary -- events. I'm always happy to help out with a few beer towers at Steamworks, given the chance. MJ
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- Sean Hannan shan...@jhu.edu wrote: As someone who has done a lot of US-Vancouver travel, here's a protip: Fly into Sea-Tac and then take the Quick Shuttle (http://www.quickcoach.com/) across the border ($40ish USD). You won't get dinged on airport international travel fees and you will have a lot more flight options. Just in case the international travel costs were going to factor in to anyone's attendance... Sean, thanks, that's an awesome tip, especially considering that the Quick Shuttle says it goes to downtown Vancouver and provides 'door step service to most major hotels'. Also, sorry if this is probably too much detail at this point, thanks to the Olympic legacy (coughtaxpayers/cough) Vancouver now has direct light rail service (SkyTrain) from the airport to downtown for $3.75 (peak) / $2.50 (evenings + weekends). Either way, better than paying $35 for a cab from the airport to downtown. Mark
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On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:14, MJ Suhonos m...@suhonos.ca wrote: More specifically, I wonder what thoughts people have about how a VanC4L2011 might affect / be affected by the C4L North proposal, and Eric's comment that C4L was originally envisioned as an Access USA. There seems to be a strong contingent on both sides of the 49th parallel these days. Not concerned at all given that C4LC is scheduled for late February. Should be long enough after C4LN and between Access conferences so as not to interfere. I'd encourage the Vancouver contingent to put forward its proposal; if it gets the most votes, the community has spoken. -Mike
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On Mar 2, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote: Should be long enough after C4LN and between Access conferences so as not to interfere. I'd encourage the Vancouver contingent to put forward its proposal; if it gets the most votes, the community has spoken. I agree about putting forward the proposal, and the voting, and not conflicting with C4LN, but not about Access. I have a few concerns about the idea of code4libcon in Vancouver. When the vote comes, though, if it's the only option, well, there we'll be. Just to air said concerns... maybe this should be on the conf list but the thread's here, so, whatever. (a) I don't want to have to choose between code4lib and Access and if they're both in Canada I might have to choose; Access would win. This concern is one of the reasons we didn't try a code4libcon before 2006, though maybe the number of us who share this concern is small. (b) of the five code4libcons we've had, the ones that have been the most fun to me have been the ones in smaller towns (corvallis, athens, asheville) where we're more likely to stumble into other attendees as the evening... uh... progresses. Vancouver would be the biggest host city yet. It's a great town and I'd love to return there but it's not small by any measure. (c) in early years we emphasized keeping code4libcon cheap and have continued to succeed at that by using sponsorships to keep the registration fee low. It's good to be able to draw in students and people who are interested but not directly supported or who might choose to go on their own dime. These past two years the conf hotel rate has crept up some, with a good block rate but still well over $100/night. Vancouver's a more expensive town than any we've been in before, so I'd worry we'd be shutting some people out. I think there's been some kind of lower cost hotel or hostel option in every town, and surely there would be in Vancouver, but in a bigger town that means people are spread out more and then my concern (b) gets amplified, too. All that said, it's not like I'm putting in a hosting proposal, so, right, go VANOC^H^HC4LC! -Dan p.s. if we could try out a lightning talk cross session where four people talk all at the same time, i'm in for sure.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
Why would the fact that they are both in Canada make you (or anyone else) have to choose between them? I'm not following. One is in Feb, one is in (what?) September. If you can go to two confs one in Feb and one in Sep when one is in somewhere in Canada and one is in somewhere in the US... why can't you go to two when they're both in Canada? I'm not following. Dan Chudnov wrote: On Mar 2, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote: Should be long enough after C4LN and between Access conferences so as not to interfere. I'd encourage the Vancouver contingent to put forward its proposal; if it gets the most votes, the community has spoken. I agree about putting forward the proposal, and the voting, and not conflicting with C4LN, but not about Access. I have a few concerns about the idea of code4libcon in Vancouver. When the vote comes, though, if it's the only option, well, there we'll be. Just to air said concerns... maybe this should be on the conf list but the thread's here, so, whatever. (a) I don't want to have to choose between code4lib and Access and if they're both in Canada I might have to choose; Access would win. This concern is one of the reasons we didn't try a code4libcon before 2006, though maybe the number of us who share this concern is small. (b) of the five code4libcons we've had, the ones that have been the most fun to me have been the ones in smaller towns (corvallis, athens, asheville) where we're more likely to stumble into other attendees as the evening... uh... progresses. Vancouver would be the biggest host city yet. It's a great town and I'd love to return there but it's not small by any measure. (c) in early years we emphasized keeping code4libcon cheap and have continued to succeed at that by using sponsorships to keep the registration fee low. It's good to be able to draw in students and people who are interested but not directly supported or who might choose to go on their own dime. These past two years the conf hotel rate has crept up some, with a good block rate but still well over $100/night. Vancouver's a more expensive town than any we've been in before, so I'd worry we'd be shutting some people out. I think there's been some kind of lower cost hotel or hostel option in every town, and surely there would be in Vancouver, but in a bigger town that means people are spread out more and then my concern (b) gets amplified, too. All that said, it's not like I'm putting in a hosting proposal, so, right, go VANOC^H^HC4LC! -Dan p.s. if we could try out a lightning talk cross session where four people talk all at the same time, i'm in for sure.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
I've never been to Vancouver, so I don't know what the housing options are. But I wonder if there isn't some way to keep the nightly rate down. Maybe this could be addressed by having an official hostel/cheaper hotel? Perhaps UBC or some other institution has an inexpensive housing option (I've seen this at other universities). -Esme -- Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu A person, who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person. (This is very important. Pay attention. It never fails.) -- Dave Barry On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Dan Chudnov wrote: (c) in early years we emphasized keeping code4libcon cheap and have continued to succeed at that by using sponsorships to keep the registration fee low. It's good to be able to draw in students and people who are interested but not directly supported or who might choose to go on their own dime. These past two years the conf hotel rate has crept up some, with a good block rate but still well over $100/night. Vancouver's a more expensive town than any we've been in before, so I'd worry we'd be shutting some people out. I think there's been some kind of lower cost hotel or hostel option in every town, and surely there would be in Vancouver, but in a bigger town that means people are spread out more and then my concern (b) gets amplified, too.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
On Mar 2, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Ziso, Ya'aqov wrote: Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference, and most likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left in the budget), Ya'aqov Yeah, exactly, I might run into the same thing. In the past few years I've taken vacation for c4lc and gone on my own dime... and it can be quite pricey for a US federal employee to fly outside the country (see Fly America Act) so I don't do it often. Seriously, you don't want to know how bad it can be. I could probably take time off again and cobble together a train ride (empire builder!) and a rental car in seattle and do it all on the cheap, which is how I got to Access '03 in Vancouver, but, yeah, none of you care about my problems. :) -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries on behalf of Jonathan Rochkind Sent: Tue 3/2/2010 8:00 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals Why would the fact that they are both in Canada make you (or anyone else) have to choose between them? I'm not following. One is in Feb, one is in (what?) September. If you can go to two confs one in Feb and one in Sep when one is in somewhere in Canada and one is in somewhere in the US... why can't you go to two when they're both in Canada? I'm not following. Dan Chudnov wrote: On Mar 2, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote: Should be long enough after C4LN and between Access conferences so as not to interfere. I'd encourage the Vancouver contingent to put forward its proposal; if it gets the most votes, the community has spoken. I agree about putting forward the proposal, and the voting, and not conflicting with C4LN, but not about Access. I have a few concerns about the idea of code4libcon in Vancouver. When the vote comes, though, if it's the only option, well, there we'll be. Just to air said concerns... maybe this should be on the conf list but the thread's here, so, whatever. (a) I don't want to have to choose between code4lib and Access and if they're both in Canada I might have to choose; Access would win. This concern is one of the reasons we didn't try a code4libcon before 2006, though maybe the number of us who share this concern is small. (b) of the five code4libcons we've had, the ones that have been the most fun to me have been the ones in smaller towns (corvallis, athens, asheville) where we're more likely to stumble into other attendees as the evening... uh... progresses. Vancouver would be the biggest host city yet. It's a great town and I'd love to return there but it's not small by any measure. (c) in early years we emphasized keeping code4libcon cheap and have continued to succeed at that by using sponsorships to keep the registration fee low. It's good to be able to draw in students and people who are interested but not directly supported or who might choose to go on their own dime. These past two years the conf hotel rate has crept up some, with a good block rate but still well over $100/night. Vancouver's a more expensive town than any we've been in before, so I'd worry we'd be shutting some people out. I think there's been some kind of lower cost hotel or hostel option in every town, and surely there would be in Vancouver, but in a bigger town that means people are spread out more and then my concern (b) gets amplified, too. All that said, it's not like I'm putting in a hosting proposal, so, right, go VANOC^H^HC4LC! -Dan p.s. if we could try out a lightning talk cross session where four people talk all at the same time, i'm in for sure.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
Hi everybody, We're sensitive to the potential cost of accommodations in Vancouver, and we'll be doing our best to secure a reasonable rate at one or more conventional hotels. We'll also be investigating other options as well, including hostels and on-campus rooms. Mark Mark Jordan Head of Library Systems W.A.C. Bennett Library, Simon Fraser University Burnaby, British Columbia, V5A 1S6, Canada Voice: 778.782.5753 / Fax: 778.782.3023 mjor...@sfu.ca - Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu wrote: I've never been to Vancouver, so I don't know what the housing options are. But I wonder if there isn't some way to keep the nightly rate down. Maybe this could be addressed by having an official hostel/cheaper hotel? Perhaps UBC or some other institution has an inexpensive housing option (I've seen this at other universities). -Esme -- Esme Cowles escow...@ucsd.edu A person, who is nice to you, but rude to the waiter, is not a nice person. (This is very important. Pay attention. It never fails.) -- Dave Barry On Mar 2, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Dan Chudnov wrote: (c) in early years we emphasized keeping code4libcon cheap and have continued to succeed at that by using sponsorships to keep the registration fee low. It's good to be able to draw in students and people who are interested but not directly supported or who might choose to go on their own dime. These past two years the conf hotel rate has crept up some, with a good block rate but still well over $100/night. Vancouver's a more expensive town than any we've been in before, so I'd worry we'd be shutting some people out. I think there's been some kind of lower cost hotel or hostel option in every town, and surely there would be in Vancouver, but in a bigger town that means people are spread out more and then my concern (b) gets amplified, too.
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
On 2 March 2010, Ziso, Ya'aqov wrote: Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference, and most likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left in the budget), s/Many/Many American/ but I know what you mean. I don't see a local chapter meeting as conflicting with the full conference, and don't think that's anything to worry about. I'd like to go to Vancouver for a Code4Lib---it's certainly easy for me to get to, from Toronto, and I won't have the difficulties and anxieties that come from travelling into the US---but I hope some small to mid-size American cities put in too. Providence and Asheville were great to visit. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
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SIDEBAR: Granted these economic times, but am I the only one who's surprised not to hear more interest in hosting next year's conference? Yes, yes, we're a bunch of damned procrastinators, I know. -Mike On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 21:41, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote: On 2 March 2010, Ziso, Ya'aqov wrote: Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference, and most likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left in the budget), s/Many/Many American/ but I know what you mean. I don't see a local chapter meeting as conflicting with the full conference, and don't think that's anything to worry about. I'd like to go to Vancouver for a Code4Lib---it's certainly easy for me to get to, from Toronto, and I won't have the difficulties and anxieties that come from travelling into the US---but I hope some small to mid-size American cities put in too. Providence and Asheville were great to visit. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
Well, I've been meaning to toss New Haven, CT, into the ring, but was waiting to get more feedback/expressions of interest from my colleagues here (and also thinking that 2012 might be better for East Coast). Anyway, I can try to have a skeletal proposal ready by the 5th (unless someone at Yale tries to talk me out of it). Daniel On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote: SIDEBAR: Granted these economic times, but am I the only one who's surprised not to hear more interest in hosting next year's conference? Yes, yes, we're a bunch of damned procrastinators, I know. -Mike On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 21:41, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote: On 2 March 2010, Ziso, Ya'aqov wrote: Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference, and most likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left in the budget), s/Many/Many American/ but I know what you mean. I don't see a local chapter meeting as conflicting with the full conference, and don't think that's anything to worry about. I'd like to go to Vancouver for a Code4Lib---it's certainly easy for me to get to, from Toronto, and I won't have the difficulties and anxieties that come from travelling into the US---but I hope some small to mid-size American cities put in too. Providence and Asheville were great to visit. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
Re: [CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
Hi everybody, Just to follow up on Mark's comments, we'll be making every effort to ensure cheap(er) accommodation options are available to conference goers. Also, I can assure you that to help keep registration fees low we'll be leaning on our vendors, who UBC has graciously donated to over the years - you know who you are ;) - to help sponsor the conference. In addition, the UBC Library will be pitching in some money to subsidize the cost of the facilities. As for the size and scope of the city, we're aiming to keep the hotel, conference site, and pubs all within a central location while still affording people the opportunity to get out and about to explore the city. Sadly there's no promises of a C4LC closing ceremony with a performance like this: http://www.mahalo.com/michael-buble-olympics Now back to the proposal... Paul On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Lovins, Daniel daniel.lov...@yale.eduwrote: Well, I've been meaning to toss New Haven, CT, into the ring, but was waiting to get more feedback/expressions of interest from my colleagues here (and also thinking that 2012 might be better for East Coast). Anyway, I can try to have a skeletal proposal ready by the 5th (unless someone at Yale tries to talk me out of it). Daniel On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote: SIDEBAR: Granted these economic times, but am I the only one who's surprised not to hear more interest in hosting next year's conference? Yes, yes, we're a bunch of damned procrastinators, I know. -Mike On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 21:41, William Denton w...@pobox.com wrote: On 2 March 2010, Ziso, Ya'aqov wrote: Many institutions would consider Canada an international conference, and most likely would allow (if any!?) one. My 5 cents (and that's all left in the budget), s/Many/Many American/ but I know what you mean. I don't see a local chapter meeting as conflicting with the full conference, and don't think that's anything to worry about. I'd like to go to Vancouver for a Code4Lib---it's certainly easy for me to get to, from Toronto, and I won't have the difficulties and anxieties that come from travelling into the US---but I hope some small to mid-size American cities put in too. Providence and Asheville were great to visit. Bill -- William Denton, Toronto : miskatonic.org www.frbr.org openfrbr.org
[CODE4LIB] Code4Lib 2011 Proposals
Two weeks ago we announced the opening of proposals to host Code4Lib 2011: http://code4lib.org/node/349 Code4Lib 2010 is going on now, and applications to host the 2011 conference will close at the end of next week. Since it might be an opportune time to discuss potential venues and hosts at the conference, can anyone who is intending on submitting a proposal on or before Friday, March 5th please say so? This could be as simple as ³Yes, a group of us at Kaanapali Beach on Maui are intending on submitting a proposal to host.² Thanks, Roy
