Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
Giles Jones wrote: Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : it's open-source (BSD license), so all the code is available to build on whatever environment/architecture you want (as far as my limited understanding of portable code/interpretation of the gears wiki goes, anyway) http://code.google.com/p/google-gears/ i might look into this - gears piqued my interest a while back, but i never had a suitable project for it This is the problem though, why should someone spend hours porting an application to their phone just to be able to read a list they can perfectly easily read now? I find this a bit crazy given this is a project to develop software for a mobile handset. We should be very aware of the limitations of a mobile device, CPU speed, memory and download speed. If our own discussions aren't capable of being read on a mobile device then how do people even expect to be able to design software for one? you have to be able to imagine how the device will be used and focus on user experience. I recently read some press article that stated that for younger people, email was dead, and everything happened on MSN. well, I, for one, won't be often in those stupid HTML forums either, I consider those things * a waste of resources and time * impossible to search so they are pretty useless also, they tend to multiply, which makes searching for relevant information rather impossible or pointless ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A simple thing. Parse and extract all messages. That would be the first important step. Ooops, every forum software creates something unique, you've got not only x different kinds of forum software packages, no you usually can change the HTML generated to your tastes. So an external solution is a nonstarter. Andreas Mathew Davis wrote: So there is still no forum solution that I know of that allows me to download the full content of all posts I haven't read yet, and read them on a random small device (e.g. a Treo650, or a Nokia N800, or a Sharp Zaurus) that supports offline email reading and replying. Sounds like a good nitch to hit. I would be interested in a program like that I wonder what it would take to make one? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGqFcpHJdudm4KnO0RAi0WAJ9KinYaQH3elZtmRWGMbb/j1YrxeQCeN7EM rF45LZ+bmD383inigw459z0= =/Vag -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
Ian Stirling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rod Whitby wrote: snip NNTP is another option - and there are NNTP-email gateways since forever. There is also much web-based NNTP readers out there. When you create a Google Group, can you then also set it to create a Usenet newsgroup? If so, that might be a solution. --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
On 7/26/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i imagine this mail2forum provides some sort of [Subforum]-tag before each e-mail. To answer to a thread, simply answer the last mail of that thread. To start a new topic, just write [Subforum] New Topic Name as Subject of the mail. At least i would implement it this way. And if it isn't so, we could simply write ourselves something like that. I mean: we have plenty of developers in here. How do you make sure that the [Subforum] really exists when users type a message? How do they remember the list of tags? Does the sender get back a notice and has to send it again? Again, i just assume this things, since I never used it, it's just how i would implement it. You should know the subforums, or if you don't, then you could just request it with a e-mail. The sender would get a confirmetion if it was posted, which he has to answer to autenticate itself. This not only allow to have mailing list AND forum, but also to let everybody choose how they want to interact. Well, they can choose anyway even if both systems are not connected. But if they are connected, you don't loose anything with the decision My latest conclusions: * the democratic approach would be to vote for either of both (inducing a lot of political discussions where people try to convince each other). But where vote? Because this should be a solution for end-users, and we haven't any at our disposal. * the (darwinistic) market oriented approach is to simply offer both - more or less connected and useage patterns will decide if they are connected, then there isn't anything to be decidet. -- My corner of the web: http://ramsesoriginal.wordpress.com My dream, my world: http://abenu.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qemu trouble...
Hallo Did you run modprobe gadgetfs default_uid=your uid before running QEMU? Yes. Output from mount: gadget on /dev/gadget type gadgetfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) Output from ls /dev/gadget/: insgesamt 0 dr-xr-xr-x 1 reddog root0 2007-07-23 11:50 . drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 4,4K 2007-07-24 09:53 .. -rw--- 1 reddog root0 2007-07-23 11:50 dummy_udc I get continual kernel ring messages (dmesg, also reported in syslog) of: dummy_udc dummy_udc: dequeued req deb73c40 from ep-c, len 4096, buf No i haven't such a message. But when i type usb_add gadget:1, the qemu says in the QEMU monitor: (qemu) Could not remove USB device '0.5' Why? Seems to me like he gets some errors and want trys an automatic usb_remove... Additionally, there are three lines output from QEMU's stdout/err: s3c_udc_handle_packet: EP0 overrun pcf_write: automatic Fast-charge enabled s3c_udc_handle_packet: EP0 overrun I killed the qemu much fuster this time an i could see this messages, too: [...] gadget_read: event error: 4 gadget_ep_setup: endpoint configuration failed: -1 gadget_read: event error: 4 [...] gadget_read: event error: 4 gadget_ep_setup: endpoint configuration failed: -1 gadget_read: event error: 4 [...] gadget_read: event error: 4 gadget_read: event error: 51 gadget_read: event error: 4 [...] gadget_read: event error: 4 gadget_read: event error: 51 gadget_read: event error: 4 [...] gadget_read: event error: 4 s3c_udc_handle_packet: EP0 overrun gadget_read: event error: 51 gadget_read: event error: 51 gadget_read: event error: 4 pcf_write: automatic Fast-charge enabled. gadget_read: event error: 51 gadget_read: event error: 51 gadget_read: event error: 4 [...] gadget_read: event error: 4 gadget_read: event error: 51 gadget_read: event error: 4 gadget_read: event error: 4 s3c_udc_handle_packet: EP0 overrun gadget_read: event error: 51 gadget_read: event error: 51 gadget_read: event error: 51 gadget_read: event error: 51 gadget_respond: packet write error: 3 gadget_read: event error: 4 [...] gadget_read: event error: 4 [...] ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 I haven't a usb0 device! :-( SIOCSIFADDR: Kein passendes Gerät gefunden usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: Kein passendes Gerät gefunden SIOCSIFNETMASK: Kein passendes Gerät gefunden It also says can't find gadgetfs if you don't have it specified in the config.h file before compiling qemu. Wow ... it's not ... at first i thought this could it be, but then i looked in the file ../config-host.h wich is included by config.h. In ../config-host.h is #define CONFIG_GADGETFS 1. Or do you mean that i have to specify the directory /dev/gadget? How can i do this? Tim Niemeyer signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email vs forum (was Re: OK, the forum is coming..)
On 7/25/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um... That doesn't seem to get Gmail to thread the messages at all. You're solution is Just don't use Gmail. Duh!. That's not a valid answer to my question. Before you suggest it, the following is also an invalid response: use Outlook or Thunderbird and download all your messages via POP. I use Gmail. Accept it. Now, if you had a Greasemonkey script that made Gmail thread the messages, that would be acceptable. Threaded view in Gmail client works fine ( running under Firefox 1.5 ). There are few messages here and there which jump out of thread. Maybe you should check your settings or write to google. regards VK PS:- I am also using Gmail. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
On 7/26/07, Raphaël Jacquot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently read some press article that stated that for younger people, email was dead, and everything happened on MSN. well, I, for one, won't be often in those stupid HTML forums either, I consider those things * a waste of resources and time * impossible to search so they are pretty useless also, they tend to multiply, which makes searching for relevant information rather impossible or pointless ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Most forums come with a working search engine. Don't load the images and you get pretty small pages that probably aren't bigger than the quote trains lazy top replying (I do it myself) creates. But why are we even bothering to have this discussion? Web forums aren't stupid. They are a popular tool for discussion on the internet. If you are too stupid to use them, that's not my problem. I am obviously too stupid to use mailing lists with a hundred mails a day, though. Here's the deal: -We've got a mailing list, continue using it if you can handle it. -We've got a temporary forum here: http://forums.makeopensource.com/index.php Use it if you like forums. I hope we can move the content over to an official forum once it's created. There is really no need for further forums vs ML discussion. Both work, in different ways, parallel. The discussion could be continued in the forum, then at least the mailing list stays clean of spam. Ortwin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qemu trouble...
Tim Niemeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : No i haven't such a message. But when i type usb_add gadget:1, the qemu says in the QEMU monitor: (qemu) Could not remove USB device '0.5' Why? Seems to me like he gets some errors and want trys an automatic usb_remove... I get this when I try with 2.6.18. I'm thinking that you probably need the same kernel version on the host machine as is running inside QEMU to stand a chance of this working. Wow ... it's not ... at first i thought this could it be, but then i looked in the file ../config-host.h wich is included by config.h. In ../config-host.h is #define CONFIG_GADGETFS 1. Or do you mean that i have to specify the directory /dev/gadget? How can i do this? config-host.h should contain #define CONFIG_GADGETFS 1. Add that line and rebuild qemu if it isn't. --- G O Jones ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
This is hardly terribly complicated: Just have an email address per forum. You can subscribe to a list for each (sub)forum, and to post you just email the appropriate address. -Nick Johnson On 7/26/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can hardly imagine how this really works? Firstly, please take a look at http://www.oesf.org/forums/ and count the subforums there. In a forum system you have main forums and subforums, i.e. tons of different boards where each one runs one or more threads (topics). Ususally you can subscribe to e-mail notifications for each subforum. This is the main benefit of a forum over a single e-mail list where everything is thrown in (compare between a large hall where everybody cries what he wants to say vs. a set of small rooms with special topics discussions). Now, should all new messages of all subfora be mapped to a single e- mail transmission? Or should each subforum have its own mailing list? For an unidrectional mode (forum - list) this could work (even if new subfora are created). But how to respond? How do you want to specify to respond to e.g. Developer, Hardware, Smalltalk, First Aid, SellBuy etc. through E-Mail? Or even worse: how to create a new thread which should just go to a specific subforum. On the single mailing list you would simply drop it in between completely unrelated messages. My conclusions is that by this requirement Anything else is simply sub-standard for my usage patterns. some of the special usage patterns of a forum system have to be given up (i.e. the hierarchical grouping of different topics/rooms/subfora or however you will call it). For me, a single mailing list carrying all topics of everybody is substandard... And, another issue is IMHO substandard with mailing lists: it is the citation style - everybody has a different way of citing previous e- mails. This is a lot of waste of eye-movements to find the relevant references. A forum system forces to use a single citation style. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Why you won't find me in the forum much
-Original Message- From: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 July 2007 07:49 To: OpenMoko community Subject: Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much Am 26.07.2007 um 08:06 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... So when an official forum is blessed by someone, please make sure it is a forum that has a *bidirectional* email gateway. Anything else is simply sub-standard for my usage patterns. ... -- Rod Whitby -- MokoMakefile author Mail2Forum sounds like it could help: http://mail2forum.com/forums/index.php Mail2Forum (or M2F) is an add-on software to the phpBB forum system. M2F combines the functionality of a mailing list system and a phpBB forum in order to add bi-directional 'email to forum' and 'forum to email' communication. I can hardly imagine how this really works? For each section, I believe there's a separate 'list' to subscribe to. Eg [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc. I have no interest in hardware hacks so wouldn't subscribe to the former. If you look at the forums at http://www.mail2forum.com/forums/, you can see the Mail2Forum testing is bound to the mailing list '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'. Firstly, please take a look at http://www.oesf.org/forums/ and count the subforums there. In a forum system you have main forums and subforums, i.e. tons of different boards where each one runs one or more threads (topics). Ususally you can subscribe to e-mail notifications for each subforum. This is the main benefit of a forum over a single e-mail list where everything is thrown in (compare between a large hall where everybody cries what he wants to say vs. a set of small rooms with special topics discussions). Now, should all new messages of all subfora be mapped to a single e- mail transmission? Or should each subforum have its own mailing list? For an unidrectional mode (forum - list) this could work (even if new subfora are created). But how to respond? How do you want to specify to respond to e.g. Developer, Hardware, Smalltalk, First Aid, SellBuy etc. through E-Mail? Or even worse: how to create a new thread which should just go to a specific subforum. On the single mailing list you would simply drop it in between completely unrelated messages. My conclusions is that by this requirement Anything else is simply sub-standard for my usage patterns. some of the special usage patterns of a forum system have to be given up (i.e. the hierarchical grouping of different topics/rooms/subfora or however you will call it). I believe you could have a mailing list for each subforum, with the Topic being auto-generated (or replied to) via the subject. A compromise on the numbers of subforums (and therefore mailing lists) would be required to avoid excessive subscriptions. It's also possible to bridge mailman and the Mail2Forum software (though it is not in the Wiki as yet) so the current mailing list folks would not lose out. For me, a single mailing list carrying all topics of everybody is substandard... And, another issue is IMHO substandard with mailing lists: it is the citation style - everybody has a different way of citing previous e- mails. This is a lot of waste of eye-movements to find the relevant references. A forum system forces to use a single citation style. I heartily agree. For this message I had to reconfigure my mail client so as to not top post and to indent your comments in order to match your quotation style, since your style differs from our corporate standard. Noone's fault - just the nature of the beast. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External Handler Proof of Concept
Kero van Gelder wrote: [...] I'll think about the extension concept a bit more. The fact that you chose a scenario to modify a phone number is interesting. How about calling a person from a Contact? and then choosing VoIP or GSM by those extensions? (specifically, I do not think gsmd is the place where the call should originate, in the image you have on the Wiki). The reason why I chose the gsmd in the example is because it is the final action prior to actually making the call and as such it is a good place to make changes that you don't want seen by the higher levels. For example, say you wanted to call +1-555-123-4567 but the calling card extension decided that the number that you actually need to dial is +1-800-800-8001,555-123-4567 you do not want the latter number showing up in the journal, last call lists, etc. That said, I agree that you would probably want to put another (similar) extension method in to the dialer. If you had such a method in the dialer then it could tell the dialer to initiate VoIP rather than GSM, in which case the GSM extension method would never be called as you wouldn't go down that codepath. The more extension calls we have the more flexibility we have, although there is a balance between having them everywhere with no-one knowing to which one they should attach their extension and having them in very few places thus limiting the ability to extend the base product. In terms of bindings, what I really need to do is put together the D-Bus methods to register/unregister an extension and for the extension handler to call the extensions dynamically. At that stage you'll be able to integrate your Ruby code very easily. I'll give it a crack over the next couple of days and see what I can put together. Watch this space, as they say... Cheers, Jim. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Community Tools] Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
if they are connected, then there isn't anything to be decidet. Well, there was already the hint that gmane or Google Groups can do exactly that *or even do it* (mirror the mailing list in a Web based forum-like view). But apparently it did not find enough acceptance (including myself). My main objection is that a mailing list is inherently not structured. And automatic structuring by threads (common subject title) is not enough - it is just one level. And the main argument for a forum is to have a better structure for newcomers so that they find solutions more easily. So I doubt that it works in practive. And it would enforce all mailing list proponents a new habit: e.g. to add a [Subforum] to new posts. From my impression, they do not want to do that because they are completely happy with what they already have! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
i imagine this mail2forum provides some sort of [Subforum]-tag before each e-mail. To answer to a thread, simply answer the last mail of that thread. To start a new topic, just write [Subforum] New Topic Name as Subject of the mail. At least i would implement it this way. And if it isn't so, we could simply write ourselves something like that. I mean: we have plenty of developers in here. How do you make sure that the [Subforum] really exists when users type a message? How do they remember the list of tags? Does the sender get back a notice and has to send it again? This not only allow to have mailing list AND forum, but also to let everybody choose how they want to interact. Well, they can choose anyway even if both systems are not connected. My latest conclusions: * the democratic approach would be to vote for either of both (inducing a lot of political discussions where people try to convince each other). * the (darwinistic) market oriented approach is to simply offer both - more or less connected and useage patterns will decide ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Switch to newsgroup
Hey all, I'd really like to switch to newsgroups for this kind of communication. Best way to do it if you ask me! No shitty webforums, offline message reading, and easy subscribing. So why not move to newsgroups? Greetz, Geert Schuring. The Netherlands. Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : it's open-source (BSD license), so all the code is available to build on whatever environment/architecture you want (as far as my limited understanding of portable code/interpretation of the gears wiki goes, anyway) http://code.google.com/p/google-gears/ i might look into this - gears piqued my interest a while back, but i never had a suitable project for it This is the problem though, why should someone spend hours porting an application to their phone just to be able to read a list they can perfectly easily read now? I find this a bit crazy given this is a project to develop software for a mobile handset. We should be very aware of the limitations of a mobile device, CPU speed, memory and download speed. If our own discussions aren't capable of being read on a mobile device then how do people even expect to be able to design software for one? you have to be able to imagine how the device will be used and focus on user experience. --- G O Jones ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email vs forum (was Re: OK, the forum is coming..)
You are talking about flat, web forum style threading, though. What he wants is tree style threading like in the ML archives, Slashdot comments etc. Ortwin On 7/26/07, vivek khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/25/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um... That doesn't seem to get Gmail to thread the messages at all. You're solution is Just don't use Gmail. Duh!. That's not a valid answer to my question. Before you suggest it, the following is also an invalid response: use Outlook or Thunderbird and download all your messages via POP. I use Gmail. Accept it. Now, if you had a Greasemonkey script that made Gmail thread the messages, that would be acceptable. Threaded view in Gmail client works fine ( running under Firefox 1.5 ). There are few messages here and there which jump out of thread. Maybe you should check your settings or write to google. regards VK PS:- I am also using Gmail. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Switch to newsgroup
Geert Schuring [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey all, I'd really like to switch to newsgroups for this kind of communication. Best way to do it if you ask me! No shitty webforums, offline message reading, and easy subscribing. So why not move to newsgroups? Indeed, for the forum lovers, then there are sites like Google Groups. :) And the newsgroup 'purists' can then use their favourite NNTP (and perhaps port/write one for the Neo.) :-) --- Marcel de Jong ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FW: OpenMoko e-mail address confirmation
To whoever is running the wiki - the ip address lookup service is incorrect. No big deal but if you have people hacking the wiki there will be no way to actually check their IP address. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 26 July 2007 10:47 AM To: Dean Collins Subject: OpenMoko e-mail address confirmation Someone, probably you from IP address 88.198.62.104, has registered an account Dean.Collins with this e-mail address on OpenMoko. To confirm that this account really does belong to you and activate e-mail features on OpenMoko, open this link in your browser: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Confirmemail/d6d1403a6e If this is *not* you, don't follow the link. This confirmation code will expire at 14:47, 2 August 2007. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thursday 26 July 2007 17:08, Mark Eichin wrote: Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... Not that I want to treat you like a muppet, but you do know that there are 2 layers of stuff in the box don't you? You know like a ox of chocolates... :-) Mmmm, tasty linux chocolates. In fact, the second layer had the headset, the laser pointer, the strap, the flex-cable for the debug board, and the 2 usb cables (the debug board itself is in the upper level.) I note from the picture on http://openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html that there aren't cutouts for the batteries, either... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Mark, You will find out very soon that the rootfs image you used is badly broken. gta01-20070704215706 has a bug that causes gsmd to not respond. The issue has been corrected in later builds. You can either build it yourself, or I have made a recent recent build available at http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/ until buildhost can catch up. -Jason On Thursday 26 July 2007 12:44:12 Mark Eichin wrote: Oh, right, doesn't need the debug board (which I left at home) to just install a new root filesystem: % wget http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gt a01-20070704215706.rootfs.jffs2 % sudo ./src/host/dfu-util/src/dfu-util -a 5 -R -D ./openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070704215706.rootfs.jffs2 dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... Resetting USB... Opening USB Device... Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=6, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=5, name=rootfs Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 bytes_per_hash=645201 Starting download: [##] finished! state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present Done! Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode % (back a the uboot menu, select boot, watch text scrolling for a while) Welcome to OpenMoko! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Data Link Disable Capability?
Hey, all! I've been following OpenMoko for a while now and have just joined this list. I hope this question is on-topic. I've been looking for information on whether or not it will be possible with OpenMoko to disable the data link to the cell phone company. I can't find anything about that. You see, I'm a tightwad and don't want to pay extra for a data plan from my cell phone company. I would like to use the WiFi link, however (when in range, of course) for Google maps and the like. So, will OpenMoko let you disable the data link? - David S Gathright ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Data Link Disable Capability?
On 26 Jul 2007, at 19:21, David Gathright wrote: So, will OpenMoko let you disable the data link? Anything and everything is possible. Hopefully it would be a possibility via the interface. Otherwise the shell is your friend. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
openmoko at the chaos communication camp 2007
hi there. for those who do not know yet: there will be a huge open air hacker gathering in germany finding place at an old airfield near berlin for more details please click here http://events.ccc.de/camp/2007/Intro/ some people from openmoko and hopefully many interested hackers will gather in the gsm village http://events.ccc.de/camp/2007/GSM_Village discussing and doing hands-on-hacking on diverse devices. hopefully it will be a productive but relaxing time and i look forward meeting some of you there. if you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me directly. kind regards -- Joachim Steiger ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Frederic Kettelhoit [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Would it be possible to get some blueprints of the device? I don't need artist drawing, but it would be really really helpful to get the blueprints for the case (inside and outside) as soon as possible. There are reasonably high res pictures on the wiki already, aren't there? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Data Link Disable Capability?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Actually, philosophically, by default it's disabled. You need to run a pppd to connect, as a GSM modem just provides one with a modem emulation. Now the question is if the software will automatically connect you, but I guess, there will be always an option to turn it off. (E.g. one idea that comes to mind, even if the software insists on respawning the pppd all the time, would be to set the APN to something not existing. This would make the pppd connections fail all the time ;)) Andreas Giles Jones wrote: On 26 Jul 2007, at 19:21, David Gathright wrote: So, will OpenMoko let you disable the data link? Anything and everything is possible. Hopefully it would be a possibility via the interface. Otherwise the shell is your friend. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGqPO+HJdudm4KnO0RAt3xAJ9OPtPdBTBV/Fdn/1htpLVJR4uXuACfXbzU vh/9kDpjCqldPWc3JrU80JA= =VudS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Switch to newsgroup
Eric van Horssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Niels L. Ellegaard wrote: You can already read all the openmoko mailing lists as nntp (also known as newsgroups) at www.gmane.org. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community My provider doesn't have this group, allthough it does have some gmane.* groups Because of technical reasons Gmane doesn't peer with other news servers, so you'll have to use nntp.gmane.org (no authentication needed). ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order
Shachar Shemesh wrote: [...] Meanwhile, is there any way to run the OS only in an emulator? On another ARM platform, perhaps? take a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU that qemu emulates the GTA01bv4 hardware or at least does that to a degree which is enough to boot unmodified firmware, intended for the real hardware on it and work on apps for example. kind regards -- Joachim Steiger ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
On 7/26/07, Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it does boot to Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. But it has a penguin on-screen :-) and thus you are one step above any phone I've ever seen -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
On Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 01:13:49PM -0400, thus spake Mark Eichin: [...] In fact, the second layer had the headset, the laser pointer, the strap, the flex-cable for the debug board, and the 2 usb cables (the debug board itself is in the upper level.) I note from the picture on http://openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html that there aren't cutouts for the batteries, either... I'm looking at that picture, and it looks to me like there are two white batteries in the lower level right by the case handle, next to the MicroSD card(s). If those two white things aren't batteries, what are they? Or are you saying just that those batteries in the picture are sitting on top of the foam without cutouts, and they weren't there in your kit? Marco -- To be a philosopher is not merely to have subtle thoughts, nor even to found a school, but so to love wisdom as to live according to its dictates, a life of simplicity, independence, magnanimity, and trust. - Henry David Thoreau, naturalist and author (1817-1862) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Data Link Disable Capability?
On 26 Jul 2007, at 22:15, Tim Newsom wrote: On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:32, Giles Jones wrote: Anything and everything is possible. Obviously, you mean this withing the realm of programming openmoko. Otherwise, its a very broad and bold statement. /grin --Tim Well it's a fairly clean slate at present. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Sim Card Reader?
Try powering the gsm antenna on manually. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM Harrison Metzger wrote: Mark, Thanks for the reply but it dosent work. Clicking that icon also crashes the bar. I have tried 3 different sim cards that all work in 3 other phones but on neo keeps tilling me that my sim card is not inserted (CME ERROR 10). Harry On 7/26/07, Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harrison Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear community, I received my neo today and have been playing around with it a bunch. I can get any of the phone part of the phone to work. I have been playing around with the GSM AT command set and issuing commands to the modem manually and from the gsm tool. However I could not register it on the network. I looked further into it and I when i do: AT+CNUM it returns CME ERROR 10, and I looked at what that meant in the the GSM proto manual and it means SIM card not inserted. The sim card is inserted. Its an ATT prepaid simcard. I have tried it in other phones and it works, ive also tried other working sim cards (from ATT) in the neo and its a no go. I know the SIMs work, so I figure it is the neo. There was talk on IRC about 3.3v sims vs 5v, but I have no idea what to do with that. I'm stuck. I *dont* think I have a defective device, but I can't think of what else it would be. I just bought a T-Mobile (US) pay-as-you-go SIM (for hacking with until I decide to switch the old 6630 over.) Like the (ancient *OMNIPOINT*) SIM in the other phone, it didn't work the first time. Then I tapped the antenna icon with the stylus, got 3 choices - power on gsm antenna, auto register with network, power off gsm antenna. I picked power on gsm antenna... and the whole icon bar crashed :-) Then I hard powercycled it (hold down power button until the screen blanks, no menu comes up because that part is crashed) and when it came up, it was talking to the network... I know that sounds mystical, but if the pattern works for you, then maybe there's something worth diagnosing... Note: I'm using the rootfs posted earlier from http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070726000624.rootfs.jffs2 I still haven't gotten sound out of it, but it does make and accept calls. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Sim Card Reader?
Harry, Have you tried re-seating the card? Perhaps the contacts are not meeting up. When I inserted mine, I slid the SIM into the metal piece while it was vertical, then closed it. To lock the metal piece, you have to slide it a little. Good luck. Jason On Thursday 26 July 2007 21:06:05 Harrison Metzger wrote: Mark, Thanks for the reply but it dosent work. Clicking that icon also crashes the bar. I have tried 3 different sim cards that all work in 3 other phones but on neo keeps tilling me that my sim card is not inserted (CME ERROR 10). Harry On 7/26/07, Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harrison Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear community, I received my neo today and have been playing around with it a bunch. I can get any of the phone part of the phone to work. I have been playing around with the GSM AT command set and issuing commands to the modem manually and from the gsm tool. However I could not register it on the network. I looked further into it and I when i do: AT+CNUM it returns CME ERROR 10, and I looked at what that meant in the the GSM proto manual and it means SIM card not inserted. The sim card is inserted. Its an ATT prepaid simcard. I have tried it in other phones and it works, ive also tried other working sim cards (from ATT) in the neo and its a no go. I know the SIMs work, so I figure it is the neo. There was talk on IRC about 3.3v sims vs 5v, but I have no idea what to do with that. I'm stuck. I *dont* think I have a defective device, but I can't think of what else it would be. I just bought a T-Mobile (US) pay-as-you-go SIM (for hacking with until I decide to switch the old 6630 over.) Like the (ancient *OMNIPOINT*) SIM in the other phone, it didn't work the first time. Then I tapped the antenna icon with the stylus, got 3 choices - power on gsm antenna, auto register with network, power off gsm antenna. I picked power on gsm antenna... and the whole icon bar crashed :-) Then I hard powercycled it (hold down power button until the screen blanks, no menu comes up because that part is crashed) and when it came up, it was talking to the network... I know that sounds mystical, but if the pattern works for you, then maybe there's something worth diagnosing... Note: I'm using the rootfs posted earlier from http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070 726000624.rootfs.jffs2 I still haven't gotten sound out of it, but it does make and accept calls. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! Ok, now I feel stupid. Guess you get to call me a muppet after all :-} The batteries and cards were all wrapped together in one of the foam cutouts. I don't know how I missed it this morning, when I got home I went through every compartment to double check and they were right there. (I think I saw white, shiny and thought must be documentation. Or maybe I just hadn't had my coffee yet.) Apologies to all involved! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package
I added a new page on the wiki with instructions that worked for me on Ubuntu 7.0.4. Its pretty rough right now, but feel free to change it. If someone can verify that it works, we can put a link to it from the other pages. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_Gadget_USB_Module George On 7/26/07, Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is gadgetfs separate enough that you can just use module-assistant to build it? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Setting_up_USB_connection I'll note that the later Ubuntu kernels seem to have: CONFIG_USB_GADGET=m # CONFIG_USB_GADGET_DUMMY_HCD is not set CONFIG_USB_GADGETFS=m CONFIG_USB_FILE_STORAGE=m which is 3 of the 4 suggested (but DUMMY_HCD is probably the critical one for working with qemu.) (I'd also forgotten that module-assistant really only handles modules that are mostly outside of the kernel, so maybe it isn't much use here after all. Sorry for getting your hopes up...) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Sim Card Reader?
Mark, Thanks for the reply but it dosent work. Clicking that icon also crashes the bar. I have tried 3 different sim cards that all work in 3 other phones but on neo keeps tilling me that my sim card is not inserted (CME ERROR 10). Harry On 7/26/07, Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harrison Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear community, I received my neo today and have been playing around with it a bunch. I can get any of the phone part of the phone to work. I have been playing around with the GSM AT command set and issuing commands to the modem manually and from the gsm tool. However I could not register it on the network. I looked further into it and I when i do: AT+CNUM it returns CME ERROR 10, and I looked at what that meant in the the GSM proto manual and it means SIM card not inserted. The sim card is inserted. Its an ATT prepaid simcard. I have tried it in other phones and it works, ive also tried other working sim cards (from ATT) in the neo and its a no go. I know the SIMs work, so I figure it is the neo. There was talk on IRC about 3.3v sims vs 5v, but I have no idea what to do with that. I'm stuck. I *dont* think I have a defective device, but I can't think of what else it would be. I just bought a T-Mobile (US) pay-as-you-go SIM (for hacking with until I decide to switch the old 6630 over.) Like the (ancient *OMNIPOINT*) SIM in the other phone, it didn't work the first time. Then I tapped the antenna icon with the stylus, got 3 choices - power on gsm antenna, auto register with network, power off gsm antenna. I picked power on gsm antenna... and the whole icon bar crashed :-) Then I hard powercycled it (hold down power button until the screen blanks, no menu comes up because that part is crashed) and when it came up, it was talking to the network... I know that sounds mystical, but if the pattern works for you, then maybe there's something worth diagnosing... Note: I'm using the rootfs posted earlier from http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070726000624.rootfs.jffs2 I still haven't gotten sound out of it, but it does make and accept calls. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External Handler Proof of Concept
I'll think about the extension concept a bit more. The fact that you chose
a scenario to modify a phone number is interesting. How about calling a
person from a Contact? and then choosing VoIP or GSM by those extensions?
(specifically, I do not think gsmd is the place where the call should
originate, in the image you have on the Wiki).
[snip reason]
That said, I agree that you would probably want to put another (similar)
extension method in to the dialer. If you had such a method in the dialer
then it could tell the dialer to initiate VoIP rather than GSM, in which
case the GSM extension method would never be called as you wouldn't go down
that codepath. The more extension calls we have the more flexibility we
have, although there is a balance between having them everywhere with
no-one knowing to which one they should attach their extension and having
them in very few places thus limiting the ability to extend the base
product.
Indeed, we'll need more than one place to hook in, but not too many places.
Something I thought of, the application (or whatever) that might want to
register an extension need not be started yet. After all, DBus is capable
of starting applications (and I'm sure Contacts, Agenda and a few more
will be in the nearby future).
So at least for choosing VoIP or GSM, the system-dbus must tell what's
available and Contacts must tell how we can reach the person at all.
I think *calling* Contacts is more suitable than letting it register an
extension, for this case.
What do you think?
In terms of bindings, what I really need to do is put together the D-Bus
methods to register/unregister an extension and for the extension handler
to call the extensions dynamically. At that stage you'll be able to
integrate your Ruby code very easily. I'll give it a crack over the next
couple of days and see what I can put together. Watch this space, as they
say...
Same here, polished my code, you can now use it like in the two little
attachments. It's not as clean as Ruby can be, yet, but it's rather close
now. I'm also happy to have freedesktop.* in a separate file, now.
I bet I can
ext_handler = DBus.proxy.new(org.openmoko.ef.eh.Gsmd,
/org/openmoko/ef/eh/Gsmd/, org.openmoko.ef.eh.Gsmd)
ext_handler.call(method, sig, arg0, arg1, ...)
already :)
update on http://chmeee.dyndns.org/git/?p=dbus/.git;a=summary
Bye,
Kero.
require 'dbus/connection'
# become GSMD
DBus.freedesktop.demand_name(org.openmoko.GSMD)
# We'll be wanting to look in the Contacts, make a proxy (dbus terminology)
contacts = DBus::Proxy.new(DBus.session, org.openmoko.Contacts,
/org/openmoko/Contacts, org.openmoko.Contacts)
counter = 0
loop {
counter += 1
phone_number = (1024_000+counter).to_s
# pretend there is an incoming call
DBus.session.emit(org.openmoko.Call, Incoming, s, phone_number)
# Look up the caller ID in the Contacts
p contacts.call(WhoIs, s, phone_number)
sleep 1
}
require 'dbus/match_rules'
DBus.freedesktop.demand_name(org.openmoko.Contacts)
DBus.session.listen_for(DBus::Interface=org.openmoko.Call,
DBus::Member=Incoming) {|msg|
puts Incoming call from #{msg.body} !
}
DBus.session.publish_method(org.openmoko.Contacts, WhoIs) {|msg|
DBus.session.reply_to(msg, s, John)
}
sleep 1234567890
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Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package
Is gadgetfs separate enough that you can just use module-assistant to build it? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Setting_up_USB_connection I'll note that the later Ubuntu kernels seem to have: CONFIG_USB_GADGET=m # CONFIG_USB_GADGET_DUMMY_HCD is not set CONFIG_USB_GADGETFS=m CONFIG_USB_FILE_STORAGE=m which is 3 of the 4 suggested (but DUMMY_HCD is probably the critical one for working with qemu.) (I'd also forgotten that module-assistant really only handles modules that are mostly outside of the kernel, so maybe it isn't much use here after all. Sorry for getting your hopes up...) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Duplicate Message Remover for Thunderbird
There is one built into claws-mail (sylpheed-claws) On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:05:09 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Moko-Magicians... For those of us using Thunderbird, you can download a Duplicate Message Remover add-on from here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/956 I just used it and took 433 messages down to like 187 just in my OpenMoko in-folder alone. Hope that helps some...Cassj --- when mind control works you won't know it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Ewan Marshall (ewanm89) Geek by nature, Linux by choice. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order
Marco Crociani - Tyrael wrote: 2007/7/25, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm so jealous I live abroad and have to wait another day to have my neo sent, and than wait some time, just to wait to pay tax at customs when neo arrives to Poland! Lucky you. In Israel, the first time you import a new kind of phone you have to get approval from the ministry of communications, but you can only ask for the approval AFTER THE PHONE HAS ALREADY ARRIVED and is waiting in customs. So, you order the phone, pay for it, wait for it to ship and to arrive, and only then you ask for permission and hope it is given. I'm still not sure how to buy mine (haven't ordered it yet, will probably wait for the official release). Meanwhile, is there any way to run the OS only in an emulator? On another ARM platform, perhaps? Shachar ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Marco Barreno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm looking at that picture, and it looks to me like there are two white batteries in the lower level right by the case handle, next to the MicroSD card(s). If those two white things aren't batteries, what are they? Those look like the batteries, right. Or are you saying just that those batteries in the picture are sitting on top of the foam without cutouts, and they weren't there in your kit? That's it - the foam cutouts are a little different than in that picture... but the laser pointer in its tin has a cutout across the bottom which isn't seen in that picture either, and it looks like the batteries are sitting on top of foam. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Jason Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark, You will find out very soon that the rootfs image you used is badly broken. gta01-20070704215706 has a bug that causes gsmd to not respond. The issue has been corrected in later builds. You can either build it yourself, or I have made a recent recent build available at http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/ until buildhost can catch up. Cool, thanks. (I should get my own end-to-end builds done, but having the image for showing it off to people today is useful :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qemu trouble...
John Seghers skrev: Heh. Yeah, I was puzzled by that when I first read the web page that describes this. Basically, the ifconfig command is specifying the IP address for the Desktop's end of the USB connection. The QEMU side of the connection seems to be hardwired to 192.168.0.202. That worried me for a while. But it not more hardwired then a static rule in /etc/network/interfaces on the phone :-) Easy to change, easy to say dhcp instead of static :-) /LaH ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Oh, right, doesn't need the debug board (which I left at home) to just install a new root filesystem: % wget http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070704215706.rootfs.jffs2 % sudo ./src/host/dfu-util/src/dfu-util -a 5 -R -D ./openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070704215706.rootfs.jffs2 dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc. This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY Opening USB Device 0x:0x... Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface... Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0 Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request... Resetting USB... Opening USB Device... Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=6, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=5, name=rootfs Claiming USB DFU Interface... Setting Alternate Setting ... Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 dfuIDLE, continuing Transfer Size = 0x1000 bytes_per_hash=645201 Starting download: [##] finished! state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present Done! Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode % (back a the uboot menu, select boot, watch text scrolling for a while) Welcome to OpenMoko! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Cool. Glad to hear you got your device (and found a way to power it). Congrats! -Jason On Thursday 26 July 2007 12:17:52 Mark Eichin wrote: Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They never do work on USB with no battery, it's just how the electronics are designed. That's good to know. Shame about the missing bits, this may be of interest however: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery The battery is a one 3.7V (nominal) cell. It has internal protection circuitry, and a capacity of 1200mAh. It is apparently compatible with the Nokia BL-5C See this mailing list post These are available very inexpensively from ebay. Though quality will of course vary. However, currently Neo1973 won't charge BL-5C batteries. Hah, turns out that my Nokia 6630 uses the BL-5C as well, so I was able to boot it using one of those. That'll be enough to do a firmware update, and get them to ship a replacement... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They never do work on USB with no battery, it's just how the electronics are designed. That's good to know. Shame about the missing bits, this may be of interest however: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery The battery is a one 3.7V (nominal) cell. It has internal protection circuitry, and a capacity of 1200mAh. It is apparently compatible with the Nokia BL-5C See this mailing list post These are available very inexpensively from ebay. Though quality will of course vary. However, currently Neo1973 won't charge BL-5C batteries. Hah, turns out that my Nokia 6630 uses the BL-5C as well, so I was able to boot it using one of those. That'll be enough to do a firmware update, and get them to ship a replacement... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Peter Trapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you checked this wiki? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 Before you start The software installed on your device is a factory variant with very limited functionality. In fact, it may not even boot Linux. Therefore, before you start, please ... (update kernel? and rootfs) There should be also a link, which describes the procedure to power it up!!! That's the way I like! Before you can start you've to HACK into!! That's why the K is in openmoko :) Well, it does boot to Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. But it has a penguin on-screen :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
On 7/26/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Couple of months ago there was a problem amongst phase 0 developers - if their phone's battery was completly dead neo1973 did not charge it. I donno if this was fixed but charging battery in external charger (or in other phone - ie. Nokia) helped. Apparently this happens with motorola phones too. The initial low current is insufficient to wake up the usb chip enough to negotiate a higher current limit. CK -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NOT _YOUR_ ORDER (was Re: [rt.internal.openmoko.org #1820] Order shipped:)
HEHE. Too funny! BTW, just to rub it in a little, not only did I get the shipment confirmation, but the phone arrived today! :) Jason On 7/25/07, Andy Loughran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: argh... thought this message was for my order = please change the subject! :) hehe Andy Loughran www.zrmt.com m: 07921076319 - Original Message - From: Jason Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: 25 July 2007 13:36:19 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London Subject: [rt.internal.openmoko.org #1820] Order shipped: FIC just made my day! Greetings, This message has been automatically generated with regard to the progress of your order at the OpenMoko online store (http://direct.openmoko.com/). Your order has been shipped! -Jason ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
hi again, I found the link (and several others) for updating thekernel, rootfs ( u-boot - be careful this can break the device, but you have an advanced set :) ) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Phase_1 cheers -homyx On Thursday 26 July 2007 18:43, Peter Trapp wrote: Have you checked this wiki? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 Before you start The software installed on your device is a factory variant with very limited functionality. In fact, it may not even boot Linux. Therefore, before you start, please ... (update kernel? and rootfs) There should be also a link, which describes the procedure to power it up!!! That's the way I like! Before you can start you've to HACK into!! That's why the K is in openmoko :) -homyx On Thursday 26 July 2007 18:08, Mark Eichin wrote: Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
2007/7/26, Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! You did not receive any of the uSD cards? No batteries either? The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... Couple of months ago there was a problem amongst phase 0 developers - if their phone's battery was completly dead neo1973 did not charge it. I donno if this was fixed but charging battery in external charger (or in other phone - ie. Nokia) helped. I'm sory to hear that $450 advanced set does not have everything it has to. I wonder if this could be more common thing. Did you try to contact anyone at openmoko? cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: qemu trouble...
Giles Jones wrote: On 25 Jul 2007, at 23:42, John Seghers wrote: ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting that the IP you use for usb0 is 192.168.0.200, then ssh into 202. I thought this was a typo then considered that it was deliberate. Heh. Yeah, I was puzzled by that when I first read the web page that describes this. Basically, the ifconfig command is specifying the IP address for the Desktop's end of the USB connection. The QEMU side of the connection seems to be hardwired to 192.168.0.202. Fortunately, the local net here at work is set up on 192.168.10.x so that I didn't have to add routes to isolate the mini-subnet formed by the USB connection. So the ssh to .202 is making a connection between .200 -- .202 - John ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order
2007/7/26, Marco Crociani - Tyrael [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So, the shipping for rest of the world? Mine isn't shipped yet ;( cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Valerio Bruno wrote: Forum is a better tool for heavy communication than ML, and it's the only one That it is a better tool is just an assertion that I don't concur with. usable by non-technic newbie user (like a 14 years old boy that plays with his phone.) Well, 14 years are strongly technic, IMHO. Well, not every 14 years old writes compilers for fun, as I did. And I'm old enough that email was not really available back then for a teenager :( Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGqMiGHJdudm4KnO0RAggRAJwNiqj1TvXmkhjNsFI8Q11xW5mFpgCgpe5M u2rtpl3zqVwdUG4885Y8mr8= =cFlF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order
2007/7/25, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2007/7/25, Cindy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It shipped! I'm so jealous I live abroad and have to wait another day to have my neo sent, and than wait some time, just to wait to pay tax at customs when neo arrives to Poland! ;-) So, the shipping for rest of the world? -- Marco Crociani - Tyrael * Perchè usare Formati Aperti? - http://www.openformats.org * Apri la mente, libera i tuoi pensieri. Usa Software Libero. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OK, the forum is coming..
Andreas Kostyrka [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, a newbie forum is fine, do as you like. Although one might argue that you are splitting the community in two. The problem is that you need a communication tool that is appropriate for newbies. And it must be appropriate for power user, or you'll have trouble to get enough answers for the questions your newbies ask. Now we don't have newbies: so the only 'fear' is to lose newcomers newbies and some (lot of?) power users. And so? What's the problem if THEY prefer webforum againist ML/NNTP ? Now, if the FIC decides that they want to have forums (and notice that typically mobile manufacturers don't have forums on their site), they will have the additional option of paying the answerers. If they're able to sell new service, why not? This has nothing to do with a forum made from the community to the community. But currently, you are advocating an end user newbie communication tool, for a device that can (perhaps?) dial a number without hacking a Unix command line. And when we'll be in third phase? and when other OpenMoko phones are released? We're preparing ourself. You should consider the fact that, in a pure FOSS market, you have newbies that post questions and advanced users that answer questions. Now, it's easy to find newbies, it's way harder to get professionals to donate their time to answer questions. This is the same for ML/forum/NNTP. An old newbie is a new power user: we'll have power users with time. Using a tool that is NOT good at heavy communication to make it more hassle for these advanced users is not a good strategy. Forum is a better tool for heavy communication than ML, and it's the only one usable by non-technic newbie user (like a 14 years old boy that plays with his phone.) Valerio ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Everybody register at Local Groups please!
Hey all, Let's all register at the local groups! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups At some point in the near future it will be very nice to be able to meet others owners/developers of a Neo1973. To share idea's, or to test group functionality, or just for a beer of course :) Greets, Geert Schuring from The Netherlands Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Appeals to Linux hardware hackers?
I agree that they have a different motivation, but I do think they can be useful to our community. What we need to do is try to get them to hack OpenMoko onto proprietary phones. It will not only get them looking at and improving our software, but I think it would be funny to see people start to put OpenMoko on their iphone, etc. It would also be of benefit to them because they will have a shorter path to a useful hacked phone and can just concentrate on the true hacking part. FIC might not like it as much, but I feel it would be best for the software. Mark On 7/25/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm. I think it is just a few. And, IMHO their motivation is different: hacking closed hardware is a lot of fun. That is quite different from developing software for open hardware. It might be as difficult as to convince you that it is a lot of fun to hack a HTC device and you should better help them than using an open hardware. So, there is no chance to change the appeal. It is like the Linux vs. *BSD discussion. Each project has its contributors. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Switch to newsgroup
On Thursday 26 July 2007 11:53:55 Eric van Horssen wrote: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community My provider doesn't have this group, allthough it does have some gmane.* groups Should al gmane lists be available everywhere? Yes, at the very least using nntp://nntp.gmane.org pgpyLPWzrC03N.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
On 7/26/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 26.07.2007 um 08:06 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... So when an official forum is blessed by someone, please make sure it is a forum that has a *bidirectional* email gateway. Anything else is simply sub-standard for my usage patterns. ... -- Rod Whitby -- MokoMakefile author Mail2Forum sounds like it could help: http://mail2forum.com/forums/index.php Mail2Forum (or M2F) is an add-on software to the phpBB forum system. M2F combines the functionality of a mailing list system and a phpBB forum in order to add bi-directional 'email to forum' and 'forum to email' communication. I can hardly imagine how this really works? Firstly, please take a look at http://www.oesf.org/forums/ and count the subforums there. In a forum system you have main forums and subforums, i.e. tons of different boards where each one runs one or more threads (topics). Ususally you can subscribe to e-mail notifications for each subforum. This is the main benefit of a forum over a single e-mail list where everything is thrown in (compare between a large hall where everybody cries what he wants to say vs. a set of small rooms with special topics discussions). Now, should all new messages of all subfora be mapped to a single e- mail transmission? Or should each subforum have its own mailing list? For an unidrectional mode (forum - list) this could work (even if new subfora are created). But how to respond? How do you want to specify to respond to e.g. Developer, Hardware, Smalltalk, First Aid, SellBuy etc. through E-Mail? Or even worse: how to create a new thread which should just go to a specific subforum. On the single mailing list you would simply drop it in between completely unrelated messages. My conclusions is that by this requirement Anything else is simply sub-standard for my usage patterns. some of the special usage patterns of a forum system have to be given up (i.e. the hierarchical grouping of different topics/rooms/subfora or however you will call it). For me, a single mailing list carrying all topics of everybody is substandard... And, another issue is IMHO substandard with mailing lists: it is the citation style - everybody has a different way of citing previous e- mails. This is a lot of waste of eye-movements to find the relevant references. A forum system forces to use a single citation style. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community i imagine this mail2forum provides some sort of [Subforum]-tag before each e-mail. To answer to a thread, simply answer the last mail of that thread. To start a new topic, just write [Subforum]New Topic Name as Subject of the mail. At least i would implement it this way. And if it isn't so, we could simply write ourselves something like that. I mean: we have plenty of developers in here. This not only allow to have mailing list AND forum, but also to let everybody choose how they want to interact. -- My corner of the web: http://ramsesoriginal.wordpress.com My dream, my world: http://abenu.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Why you won't find me in the forum much
... So when an official forum is blessed by someone, please make sure it is a forum that has a *bidirectional* email gateway. Anything else is simply sub-standard for my usage patterns. ... -- Rod Whitby -- MokoMakefile author Mail2Forum sounds like it could help: http://mail2forum.com/forums/index.php Mail2Forum (or M2F) is an add-on software to the phpBB forum system. M2F combines the functionality of a mailing list system and a phpBB forum in order to add bi-directional 'email to forum' and 'forum to email' communication. Marcus ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email vs forum (was Re: OK, the forum is coming..)
Ehrm.. try looking at the settings, maybe you habe simply deactivated it. Because for me it works pretty fine with the threated view. oh, yes, and by the way, the possibility to format text and include images/links/wathever would be really good for the average user. On 7/25/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um... That doesn't seem to get Gmail to thread the messages at all. You're solution is Just don't use Gmail. Duh!. That's not a valid answer to my question. Before you suggest it, the following is also an invalid response: use Outlook or Thunderbird and download all your messages via POP. I use Gmail. Accept it. Now, if you had a Greasemonkey script that made Gmail thread the messages, that would be acceptable. Thank you, -Steven On 7/25/07, vivek khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/25/07, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, my questions: 1. Is there a way to get Gmail to thread the messages based on who it was in response to? Yup, admins can set archiving at www.gmane.org. This way you will have archiving as well as threaded view regards VK ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- My corner of the web: http://ramsesoriginal.wordpress.com My dream, my world: http://abenu.wordpress.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken Sim Card Reader?
Harrison Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear community, I received my neo today and have been playing around with it a bunch. I can get any of the phone part of the phone to work. I have been playing around with the GSM AT command set and issuing commands to the modem manually and from the gsm tool. However I could not register it on the network. I looked further into it and I when i do: AT+CNUM it returns CME ERROR 10, and I looked at what that meant in the the GSM proto manual and it means SIM card not inserted. The sim card is inserted. Its an ATT prepaid simcard. I have tried it in other phones and it works, ive also tried other working sim cards (from ATT) in the neo and its a no go. I know the SIMs work, so I figure it is the neo. There was talk on IRC about 3.3v sims vs 5v, but I have no idea what to do with that. I'm stuck. I *dont* think I have a defective device, but I can't think of what else it would be. I just bought a T-Mobile (US) pay-as-you-go SIM (for hacking with until I decide to switch the old 6630 over.) Like the (ancient *OMNIPOINT*) SIM in the other phone, it didn't work the first time. Then I tapped the antenna icon with the stylus, got 3 choices - power on gsm antenna, auto register with network, power off gsm antenna. I picked power on gsm antenna... and the whole icon bar crashed :-) Then I hard powercycled it (hold down power button until the screen blanks, no menu comes up because that part is crashed) and when it came up, it was talking to the network... I know that sounds mystical, but if the pattern works for you, then maybe there's something worth diagnosing... Note: I'm using the rootfs posted earlier from http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070726000624.rootfs.jffs2 I still haven't gotten sound out of it, but it does make and accept calls. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External Handler Proof of Concept
Kero van Gelder wrote: Something I thought of, the application (or whatever) that might want to register an extension need not be started yet. After all, DBus is capable of starting applications (and I'm sure Contacts, Agenda and a few more will be in the nearby future). Yep I'm planning on adding in service files when I get hold of a real 'phone to work with. So at least for choosing VoIP or GSM, the system-dbus must tell what's available and Contacts must tell how we can reach the person at all. I think *calling* Contacts is more suitable than letting it register an extension, for this case. What do you think? Not sure, it may be that there is a 'routing' extension that takes information about what call to make and works out the method to send it with. Of course, a lot of this type of functionality is being built in to the core applications so it will take some untangling. I think that until there is at least a skeleton set of applications in place it will be hard to work out the linkages from one item to another and how it all hangs together. The example above is a case in point, where handing off the call information from the dialer to the gsmd (or wherever) is not something that I had originally envisaged would be part of the extensions framework but it could be if the rest of the pieces are coded in a suitable fashion. Definitely a wait-and-see. [...] Same here, polished my code, you can now use it like in the two little attachments. It's not as clean as Ruby can be, yet, but it's rather close now. I'm also happy to have freedesktop.* in a separate file, now. I bet I can ext_handler = DBus.proxy.new(org.openmoko.ef.eh.Gsmd, /org/openmoko/ef/eh/Gsmd/, org.openmoko.ef.eh.Gsmd) ext_handler.call(method, sig, arg0, arg1, ...) already :) Not any more you can't :) So thanks to a long flight I had a chance to tidy up the code and put some registration methods in place. I also renamed some of the interfaces and paths because it looks like I'm ending up with a single process for both registration and handling of specific calls. The latest code is at http://www.devzero.net/openmoko/dist/omext.tar.gz I have also updated the Wiki at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Extension_Framework The key difference is that you can now register your own extension by sending a method call org.openmoko.ExtensionHandler.Register(). Details of the parameters are up on the Wiki. Note that registrations are persistent so once you have registered you will remain so unless you send an org.openmoko.ExtensionHandler.Unregister() with the same parameters as you used to register. This also means that extensions can be written in any language (for example, Ruby :)) and do not need any information hard-coded in to the extension handler itself. At current I'm using gconf as a backend so if you do want to see the results of your registration attempts you can do so by running 'gconftool-2 -R /extensions'. Have a play and let me know how it goes. Still lots to do but it's starting to take some shape. Cheers, Jim. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package
Is gadgetfs separate enough that you can just use module-assistant to build it? William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since Ubuntu Fiesty is a pretty common distribution which doesn't encourage custom kernel building is their any possibility of having someone wrap up a .deb package based on the -generic kernel with the appropriate changes (gadgetfs) to enable USB networking? -Will ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Data Link Disable Capability?
David Gathright wrote: Hey, all! I've been following OpenMoko for a while now and have just joined this list. I hope this question is on-topic. I've been looking for information on whether or not it will be possible with OpenMoko to disable the data link to the cell phone company. I can't find anything about that. You see, I'm a tightwad and don't want to pay extra for a data plan from my cell phone company. I would like to use the WiFi link, however (when in range, of course) for Google maps and the like. So, will OpenMoko let you disable the data link? Surely it will by the time you get your phone. You've not ordered a developer preview phone, presumably, or you'd know that they come with NO WiFi hardware. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package
Since Ubuntu Fiesty is a pretty common distribution which doesn't encourage custom kernel building is their any possibility of having someone wrap up a .deb package based on the -generic kernel with the appropriate changes (gadgetfs) to enable USB networking? -Will ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: another linux platform platform
On Thu, 2007-07-26 at 08:23 -0700, Tim Newsom wrote: They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the list... however, I am wondering about the pending patent related to placing security in the bootloader for signature checking of a boot image. Does anyone know if this is available GPL or if they have somehow managed to get around all of that? They shouldn't get that patent, because there's plenty of prior art. This is an example of what gplv3 is intended to prevent. Essentially, what they're doing is locking their phone so that you *can't* boot openmoko on it, even though they're observing the letter of the gplv2 license. They can safely give you source code, and you can't use it. Tivo's been doing this for years. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
Have you checked this wiki? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 Before you start The software installed on your device is a factory variant with very limited functionality. In fact, it may not even boot Linux. Therefore, before you start, please ... (update kernel? and rootfs) There should be also a link, which describes the procedure to power it up!!! That's the way I like! Before you can start you've to HACK into!! That's why the K is in openmoko :) -homyx On Thursday 26 July 2007 18:08, Mark Eichin wrote: Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community Tools] Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is one possible issue. The moko-gmane users would not want to receive a copy of all messages to the mailing lists. I know you can post messages without being subscribed, but the messages have to be approved. I don't think this will work. So, essentially, the user needs to be subscribed but not get any of the messages. How do we solve this? Have the moko-gmane server be subscribed to the list and all messages posted through the web interface would actually come from the server? But the server would have to somehow make the email appear to come from the actual user so that it appears correct to the mailing list users. How do we resolve this? Are there any objections to this idea? Anything else I'm missing? -Steven Maybe bad etiquette to respond to my own post, but I figured out the solution. Seems you can subscribe to the mailing list without actually receiving messages sent to the list. (You all probably already knew that. But I'm a mailing list noob.) So, there really doesn't seem to be a problem with that solution. The moko-gmane would automatically subscribe the user to the list associated with the subforum they post in and just set it to disable mail delivery. -Steven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Community Tools] Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, there was already the hint that gmane or Google Groups can do exactly that *or even do it* (mirror the mailing list in a Web based forum-like view). But apparently it did not find enough acceptance (including myself). My main objection is that a mailing list is inherently not structured. And automatic structuring by threads (common subject title) is not enough - it is just one level. And the main argument for a forum is to have a better structure for newcomers so that they find solutions more easily. So I doubt that it works in practive. And it would enforce all mailing list proponents a new habit: e.g. to add a [Subforum] to new posts. From my impression, they do not want to do that because they are completely happy with what they already have! So, I've been looking at gmane a little bit. It may actually be useful. The author does provide source (with the caveat that it's very rough). With some work, gmane could be exactly the merged idea people are talking about. The only thing I find lacking is the web interface. But it does have several key features that I think make it a good starting point. It already has: 1. Bi-directional connection between mailing list and web-based forums (at least they appear like forums to a user in a browser) 2. Threading and indenting by replies (like standalone mail readers) and sorted by date of last response (just like forums) 3. It does remember what messages you read from any particular machine (I assume it does this with cookies since there is no login) I propose a project to modify and setup a OpenMoko specific gmane. It would need the following changes: 1. Improved GUI a. First view should not show all messages with all thread already expanded. Should instead list threads from the mailing list like a typical forum does. b. When a thread is clicked, all messages in the thread would be expanded on a new page. The replies would be grouped and indented with unread messages highlighted/indicated. c. Each message in the thread would have a few actions typical to forums (maybe just a reply to this link). 2. User accounts a. Forums users are used to logging in. We can make account creation essentially non-existant by making their login ID their email address (necessary in order to tie it to the mailing list). In order to create an account, they simply type in their email address. The moko-gmane sends a confirmation email to that address with a randomly generated password. The user logs into the moko-gmane and would be prompted to change their password. That email address and new password would be their login from then on. b. Forum users also expect the forum to remember what they've read and other settings regardless of what computer they logged in from. 3. Subforums There would only be as many subforums as mailing lists. I assume we will get a support mailing list and may some others when the Neo gets close to consumer release. There is one possible issue. The moko-gmane users would not want to receive a copy of all messages to the mailing lists. I know you can post messages without being subscribed, but the messages have to be approved. I don't think this will work. So, essentially, the user needs to be subscribed but not get an of the messages. How do we solve this? Have the moko-gmane server be subscribed to the list and all messages posted through the web interface would actually come from the server? But the server would have to somehow make the email appear to come from the actual user so that it appears correct to the mailing list users. How do we resolve this? Are there any objections to this idea? Anything else I'm missing? -Steven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
whee!
Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Product naming / wiki page naming / restructuring
Hi! Since we're now working on the phase 2 neo, i.e. what is now known officially as Neo1973 GTA02, I'd like to address one issue: For many information in the public wiki, it is not clear whether it is 1) general information about the openmoko 2007 software 1b) information about future software plans, unrelated to old software. So old software should be tagged as 'OpenMoko 2007 Software' or similar. 2) general information common to the Neo1973 phones 3) information specific to Neo1973 GTA01 4) information specific to Neo1973 GTA02 I don't want to say I have a concise plan on how to structure the information. I'm just saying that we somehow need to point this out. For many pages this would actually affect the page naming. But to the biggest part, I think there should be some kind of categorization effort. I know there currently are the 'neo1973 phase 1 related' and 'neo1973 phase 2' related categories. They somewhat don't match reality, since we will very likely have a 'Neo1973 GTA01 phase 1' and a 'Neo1973 GTA02 phase 1', before we will at some point have a 'Neo1973 GAT02 phase 2'. Also, everyone internal in the project just uses hardware revisions rather than phases. Phases are particular points in time where we address a particular crowd. They might match 1:1 to certain hardware revisions, but that is mere coincidence rather than a given fact. I know Sean's announcements could have been interpreted differently, sorry for that :( So what I would want to propose is a) the wiki.openmoko.org community works out some guidelines/policies considering the facts that I've pointed out above. I'll participate in this discussion (as long as I'm kept in Cc, I really don't have the time to read all of community@) and provide feedback from my point of view b) once we have agreed on some kind of policy, we can all start to update the current pages. Thanks for your cooperation / assistance / support! -- - Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
another linux platform platform
I just noticed this: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5539544742.html They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the list... however, I am wondering about the pending patent related to placing security in the bootloader for signature checking of a boot image. Does anyone know if this is available GPL or if they have somehow managed to get around all of that? -- -- Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Next batch of Neo1973s.
Best guesses from the uninformed are that 1000 orders have been made for phones. (based on P1_Orders, ...) And 1000 phones have been made. Have the next batch been ordered? If so, approximately when are they due? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : But why are we even bothering to have this discussion? Web forums aren#39;t stupid. They are a popular tool for discussion on the internet. If you are too stupid to use them, that#39;s not my problem. Maybe there's confusion? the forums were only proposed for user discussion. The developer lists will continue. It's not about being stupid, people have stated that they sync their email to their mobile device and read them on the move. Forums are ok, but email is faster. Compare webmail to a proper email application to see the difference. --- G O Jones ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Switch to newsgroup
Geert Schuring [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd really like to switch to newsgroups for this kind of communication. Best way to do it if you ask me! No shitty webforums, offline message reading, and easy subscribing. So why not move to newsgroups? You can already read all the openmoko mailing lists as nntp (also known as newsgroups) at www.gmane.org. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community Niels ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
Am 26.07.2007 um 08:06 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... So when an official forum is blessed by someone, please make sure it is a forum that has a *bidirectional* email gateway. Anything else is simply sub-standard for my usage patterns. ... -- Rod Whitby -- MokoMakefile author Mail2Forum sounds like it could help: http://mail2forum.com/forums/index.php Mail2Forum (or M2F) is an add-on software to the phpBB forum system. M2F combines the functionality of a mailing list system and a phpBB forum in order to add bi-directional 'email to forum' and 'forum to email' communication. I can hardly imagine how this really works? Firstly, please take a look at http://www.oesf.org/forums/ and count the subforums there. In a forum system you have main forums and subforums, i.e. tons of different boards where each one runs one or more threads (topics). Ususally you can subscribe to e-mail notifications for each subforum. This is the main benefit of a forum over a single e-mail list where everything is thrown in (compare between a large hall where everybody cries what he wants to say vs. a set of small rooms with special topics discussions). Now, should all new messages of all subfora be mapped to a single e- mail transmission? Or should each subforum have its own mailing list? For an unidrectional mode (forum - list) this could work (even if new subfora are created). But how to respond? How do you want to specify to respond to e.g. Developer, Hardware, Smalltalk, First Aid, SellBuy etc. through E-Mail? Or even worse: how to create a new thread which should just go to a specific subforum. On the single mailing list you would simply drop it in between completely unrelated messages. My conclusions is that by this requirement Anything else is simply sub-standard for my usage patterns. some of the special usage patterns of a forum system have to be given up (i.e. the hierarchical grouping of different topics/rooms/subfora or however you will call it). For me, a single mailing list carrying all topics of everybody is substandard... And, another issue is IMHO substandard with mailing lists: it is the citation style - everybody has a different way of citing previous e- mails. This is a lot of waste of eye-movements to find the relevant references. A forum system forces to use a single citation style. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Data Link Disable Capability?
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:32, Giles Jones wrote: Anything and everything is possible. Obviously, you mean this withing the realm of programming openmoko. Otherwise, its a very broad and bold statement. /grin --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package
The following Wiki page has the instructions about the modules needed to setup the device. While I have enough experience to follow them I'm unfamiliar with module-assistant, would it be possible to add the required modules through module assistant? -Will http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Setting_up_USB_connection On 7/26/07, Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is gadgetfs separate enough that you can just use module-assistant to build it? William Voorhees [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since Ubuntu Fiesty is a pretty common distribution which doesn't encourage custom kernel building is their any possibility of having someone wrap up a .deb package based on the -generic kernel with the appropriate changes (gadgetfs) to enable USB networking? -Will ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order
Krzysztof Kajkowski writes: Mine isn't shipped yet ;( Mine shipped last night. Currently between San Pablo CA and Albuquerque, NM. ETA is Monday. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
On Thursday 26 July 2007 17:08, Mark Eichin wrote: Advanced kit arrived, yay! Batteries and uSD cards were missing, boo! The phone doesn't appear to power up off of the USB cable by itself, either... Not that I want to treat you like a muppet, but you do know that there are 2 layers of stuff in the box don't you? You know like a ox of chocolates... Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: another linux platform platform
On Thu, July 26, 2007 4:23 pm, Tim Newsom wrote: I just noticed this: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5539544742.html They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the list... however, I am wondering about the pending patent related to placing security in the bootloader for signature checking of a boot image. Does anyone know if this is available GPL or if they have somehow managed to get around all of that? I doubt they can get a patent on on bootloader signature checking. Nokia have had that feature on their phones for a few years now. That is why they are so hard to unlock compared with other brands. Also, GPL3 forbids that kind of thing unless you give the end user a way to sign their own boot images. In a year or two it will be quite hard to build a Linux phone that does not include any GPL3 software, so this will not be useful in preventing unauthorized firmware. (Though it will still be helpful for virus protection and the like). -- David Pottage Error compiling committee.c To many arguments to function. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ...Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order
It shipped! I'm so jealous I live abroad and have to wait another day to have my neo sent, and than wait some time, just to wait to pay tax at customs when neo arrives to Poland! ;-) So, the shipping for rest of the world? Mine's coming tomorrow and I live in the U.K. A UPS person phoned and said I could pay the customs charge over the phone with a credit card or a cheque made out to UPS handed over to the delivery driver. The charge is £43.41p ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Data Link Disable Capability?
Thanks for the replies, all. I guess what I was wishing for was a 'built-in' way to disable the connection (call it 'economy mode' for the 'thrift-conscious'). I can settle for a hack, though, I suppose...as long as it's not too much of a pain (i.e. having to repeat N steps every N day/hours/etc). DSG Actually, philosophically, by default it's disabled. You need to run a pppd to connect, as a GSM modem just provides one with a modem emulation. Now the question is if the software will automatically connect you, but I guess, there will be always an option to turn it off. (E.g. one idea that comes to mind, even if the software insists on respawning the pppd all the time, would be to set the APN to something not existing. This would make the pppd connections fail all the time ;)) Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:06, Mark Eichin wrote: Ok, now I feel stupid. Guess you get to call me a muppet after all :-} The batteries and cards were all wrapped together in one of the foam cutouts. I don't know how I missed it this morning, when I got home I went through every compartment to double check and they were right there. (I think I saw white, shiny and thought must be documentation. Or maybe I just hadn't had my coffee yet.) Apologies to all involved! Actually... They tracked down your shipment by tracing the gps location as reported by your phone back to the mothership. They just added those components while you were out to make you look like a muppet. /grin. Joking.. Of course.. Good to see you found them. --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OpenMoko Forums Update...
Hello Everyone, forums.makeopensource.com is online and running. For those of you who are unable to use the forums on a consistent basis, I am actively searching for a solution for integrating the mailing lists, NNTP, and forums; as one community. I am setting up a second beta forum that has the ML/NNTP/forum integration built-in. Please test the functionality and report back. I'm curious to see if this new forum in the solution... www.makeopensource.com/beta/ beta.makeopensource.com (awaiting dns propagation) Thanks! -Kyle ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Broken Sim Card Reader?
Dear community, I received my neo today and have been playing around with it a bunch. I can get any of the phone part of the phone to work. I have been playing around with the GSM AT command set and issuing commands to the modem manually and from the gsm tool. However I could not register it on the network. I looked further into it and I when i do: AT+CNUM it returns CME ERROR 10, and I looked at what that meant in the the GSM proto manual and it means SIM card not inserted. The sim card is inserted. Its an ATT prepaid simcard. I have tried it in other phones and it works, ive also tried other working sim cards (from ATT) in the neo and its a no go. I know the SIMs work, so I figure it is the neo. There was talk on IRC about 3.3v sims vs 5v, but I have no idea what to do with that. I'm stuck. I *dont* think I have a defective device, but I can't think of what else it would be. Harry ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Giles Jones wrote: Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : it's open-source (BSD license), so all the code is available to build on whatever environment/architecture you want (as far as my limited understanding of portable code/interpretation of the gears wiki goes, anyway) http://code.google.com/p/google-gears/ i might look into this - gears piqued my interest a while back, but i never had a suitable project for it This is the problem though, why should someone spend hours porting an application to their phone just to be able to read a list they can perfectly easily read now? I find this a bit crazy given this is a project to develop software for a mobile handset. We should be very aware of the limitations of a mobile device, CPU speed, memory and download speed. Hint: These people never used mobile data sets, so have no idea about the limitations. Furthermore, the limitations are so that you cannot really help them: a) bandwidth: classical solutions for these are more caching (doesn't work, we do have a strictly limited memory budget), or more calculation on the client (which is limited in speed, and would lower the battery endurance, which is already low with data phones :( ) b) memory: storing more stuff on the server is not really an option with GPRS speed communications, for most use cases. Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGqFvkHJdudm4KnO0RAq3RAJ4mArludDN2XSzgeFXFNhxm+V6jDgCeKmvt /7JApYyWQfhlKO2wgjX+Xuw= =Yp5n -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: greetings and a question
is, is it possible to have the Neo1973 connect via Peer-to-peer wireless networking to another computer/phone? not til October at least.current version has no wi-fi http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison Is there a drive yet for it? many people talking about it. :-) if that is what you mean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
3G sim cards
Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it does 2.5g)? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko trademark issues...
Hi. Jae Stutzman pisze: OpenMoko.Inc needs to have a clear trademark policy on the name OpenMoko and associated logo, etc. Right now the maemo people are going through some stuff do to recent changes. This is something that Sean and co need to figure out. If it is already figgured out then it should be posted somewhere on the wiki...a quick search for trademark reveals nothing. Yes, at Polish OpenMoko community page we have slightly repainted logo just to point our Polish roots ;) So I'm curious if we didn't breake the law doing this. The logo can be seen at *http://www.openmoko.org.pl/openmoko_org_pl_logo.png *Best regards for all Community members! -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why you won't find me in the forum much
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller skrev: i imagine this mail2forum provides some sort of [Subforum]-tag before each e-mail. To answer to a thread, simply answer the last mail of that thread. To start a new topic, just write [Subforum]New Topic Name as Subject of the mail. At least i would implement it this way. And if it isn't so, we could simply write ourselves something like that. I mean: we have plenty of developers in here. How do you make sure that the [Subforum] really exists when users type a message? How do they remember the list of tags? Does the sender get back a notice and has to send it again? A feature of forums, actually *the* feature that make allot of sub-forums possibly in the first place, is that moderators can move posts... email miss-post is not different from forum miss-post so this should be a no problem. If we fix so reply go right, make it possibly for power user to get first posting go right then moderators can take care of the rest. News might be a better 'backend' then mail. Can use equaly many subforums and mail can move as the moderator moves them. mail--news is then a simple step. Nothing (apart from moderators can't move miss-post) stops lists from being equally divided. can we subscribe to hierarchies (this forum and all present and future sub-forum) it would be OK. - - - I prefere a list... or a newsgroup really... that's how i read this list (gmane). Sometimes I use gmain web interface but I newer tried to post. /LaH ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: another linux platform platform
Err... That was supposed to br linux phone platform... On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 8:35, Tim Newsom wrote: I just noticed this: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5539544742.html They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the list... however, I am wondering about the pending patent related to placing security in the bootloader for signature checking of a boot image. Does anyone know if this is available GPL or if they have somehow managed to get around all of that? -- -- Tim --Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: whee!
I'm sory to hear that $450 advanced set does not have everything it has to. I wonder if this could be more common thing. Did you try to contact anyone at openmoko? I responded to the RT ticket, reopening it. Hopefully that's a good enough starting point; I was also curious if anyone else saw the problem... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ubuntu Fiesty Kernel .deb package
First line should be: sudo apt-get install linux-source linux-headers-`uname -r` George Barta wrote: I added a new page on the wiki with instructions that worked for me on Ubuntu 7.0.4. Its pretty rough right now, but feel free to change it. If someone can verify that it works, we can put a link to it from the other pages. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_Gadget_USB_Module George On 7/26/07, Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is gadgetfs separate enough that you can just use module-assistant to build it? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Setting_up_USB_connection I'll note that the later Ubuntu kernels seem to have: CONFIG_USB_GADGET=m # CONFIG_USB_GADGET_DUMMY_HCD is not set CONFIG_USB_GADGETFS=m CONFIG_USB_FILE_STORAGE=m which is 3 of the 4 suggested (but DUMMY_HCD is probably the critical one for working with qemu.) (I'd also forgotten that module-assistant really only handles modules that are mostly outside of the kernel, so maybe it isn't much use here after all. Sorry for getting your hopes up...) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 They basically should work, but the device does only 2G :), no EGPRS ;) Andreas Harrison Metzger wrote: Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it does 2.5g)? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGqX6ZHJdudm4KnO0RAg87AJ4mF80sUbc9NAY5HEU1mPy54BTeKgCfVU1I MydLNOmQDCrhSYR9A8zdGoI= =ZEvF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: another linux platform platform
On Thursday 26 July 2007 17:23:02 Tim Newsom wrote: I just noticed this: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5539544742.html They claim to have many of the features we have talked about on the list... however, I am wondering about the pending patent related to placing security in the bootloader for signature checking of a boot image. Does anyone know if this is available GPL or if they have somehow managed to get around all of that? i think the issue here is a kind of crossroads. at the one hand open source people want to thinker with as much as possible of a device. but at the other hand, every nation that have at least some form of working government wants some control over whats going on across the EM spectrum. therefor one need a way to verify that a device complies with the regulations. one way to do that is by signing the software so that only if it comes from a known good source, its allowed to be used. another, used by fic in the neo, is to embedd the stuff that generates the EM waves inside a chip that cant be reprogramed. as long as the linux kernel and all the other code used is under GPL2, there will not be a problem with this. but if some of its under GPL3, they either have to look for alternatives, or drop this function. thats one potential problem with the FSF, it attacks the act of signing, no matter why its being used. with tivo its used to enable the content producers control of their products. but on a phone its just as much about being able to use them at all. because a EM emitter is also a jammer, and can potentially block all other uses of a frequency if its not behaving. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re: greetings and a question
What I meant is, in the consumer version, will this be possible? And I meant driver, not drive. I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough in my first question. Thanks for your time!Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:25:46 +0100Subject: Re: greetings and a questionis, is it possible to have the Neo1973 connect via Peer-to-peer wireless networking to another computer/phone?not til October at least.current version has no wi-fihttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison Is there a drive yet for it?many people talking about it. :-)if that is what you mean _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Harrison Metzger wrote: Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it does 2.5g)? yes, you won't get 3G service, but you'll still be able to use GPRS and GSM voice or data ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Harrison Metzger wrote: Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it does 2.5g)? Since the Calypso chipset is 2G a 3G SIM will only work if it contains both the USIM and SIM applications. I would expect that this is the case for most operators that have both 2G and 3G networks. It is less likely that operators such as 3 would put a SIM application on their cards - at least I can't think why they would - since this would only be used by a 2G handset which couldn't use their network. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
