Android rootfs image?
Hi all. I flashed the new Image (http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/androidfs.jffs2) and uimage (http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/uImage-android). I expect, as read in other threads (http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1583918%7Ca1585457), to have the virtual keyboard startable via menu. But its missing. Is there a possibility to install this keyboard. Ueli ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Creating a distro on a sim card
Hi Rodney Was that a question for me? I see you posted that to the list Yes I believe these are the instructions to install and boot an OS on the SD Now may be you can fix your IP problem without doing that Do you know what steps led you to have a problem and not connect to your phone anymore ? Thanks Alan Rodney Myers wrote: I was pointed to this link to help with my previous problem; http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD I was wondering if that read, was all that it took to get a functioning OS on the SD card, and then the ability to copy onto the phone? Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Lotto Magic: Home Business Produces High Profits For Members
Thank you for your interest in Lotto Magic. So what is Lotto Magic you ask? Well its a Home Business and benefits club/savings club. Meaning you can earn $100s or $1000s per month and gain access to discounts from top name online stores, huge savings on vacations, entertainment tickets such as concerts, movies, and sporting events. I mean, you name it and they will save you a lot of money on it. Plus you earn big commission checks while being entered in the Florida lottery, meaning you could become an instant MILLIONAIRE! http://flalottomagic.net/?p0615 or http://freelottomagic.com/?p0615 Their are 2 different memberships: Team Player and Team Captain.nbsp; nbsp; Team Players get all benefits and are placed in a Lottery Pool with 7 other members. If anyones numbers hit, you each win 10% of the prize money. To join as a Team Player costs $25 per month, but you are not allowed to earn commission as a Team Player. nbsp; http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Navit-patch-for-faster-map-dragging-tp729123p1090269.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Questions about FR (ASU)
Hello, Recently, i have bought a FR (GTA02), and updated it to the Om 2008.8, i have found some problems that are knows from all, like : - the GPS need to have a internet connexion by USB or Wifi to get the Map - when we call a friend, he gets an echo of him voice - ...etc I would like to know if these problems would be solve in the next release ? You are gonna to tell me to read all the mails, but 800mails to read its a bit too much for me :) I would like to know if we can se the sound volume with hands free kit cause currently its very low I would like to know if there is a pdf ready (in test or release) for ASU ? and finally I would like to know if there is an erlang binding in works currently ? Thanks. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I`ve done this with a samsung handy (sorry, it was not ericsson), exactly with the SGH-D600. The battery was the standard, here the S/N: NH1YB02CS/-5 and some other infos; TYPE: 3.7V. Li-ion Model: BST4389BE It`s a battery integrated in the cover (see attachment) Marco Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 16.07.2008 18:36 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down Glad it helped, and thanks for the feedback. Can you please send me the part number of your ericson battery, for reference? Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I`ve done a jump start with a ericsson-battery, which have the same Volt. Now my FR has started up and the battery is charging :-) Thanks again for the tip! Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Michael Shiloh[EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community attachment: Samsung-Battery.jpg___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
WG: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I`ve done this with a samsung handy (sorry, it was not ericsson), exactly with the SGH-D600. The battery was the standard, here the S/N: NH1YB02CS/-5 and some other infos; TYPE: 3.7V. Li-ion Model: BST4389BE It`s a battery integrated in the cover (see attachment) Marco Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 16.07.2008 18:36 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down Glad it helped, and thanks for the feedback. Can you please send me the part number of your ericson battery, for reference? Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I`ve done a jump start with a ericsson-battery, which have the same Volt. Now my FR has started up and the battery is charging :-) Thanks again for the tip! Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Michael Shiloh[EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community attachment: Samsung-Battery.jpg___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
yes, i triedbut it went nothing, beside the flashing from the AUX-button all 5 sec. combined with a strange trrr out from the speaker.. Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 15:48 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down have you tried removing the battery and start up it only with the USB cable? 2008/7/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR- Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I`ve tried the 230V charger and the pc-cable too... Is there any institution for the debug board used with freerunner? Or is it the same as for neo 1973; http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v3 Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 16:22 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down Once I had to use the 230V charger instead of the normal pc-cable to get it booting again, maybe it can suck more energy from that. (Although it reports getting 500mAh from usb, too.) -Marcel Am Sonntag 13 Juli 2008 15:48:53 schrieb Francesco Cat: have you tried removing the battery and start up it only with the USB cable? 2008/7/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi all last night, my qtopia mean that the batteries are down and i have to charge them...it was 2 o`clock AM and nobody will phone me at this time...so, i don`t charge them and let the batteries run down... now, if i put the charging unit on it, i just hear some damped tones out from the speaker and see the red led on the AUX button is flashing... i have no chance to bring the freerunner upneither in NAND nor in NOR-Flash and least of all not in the normal qtopia image.. :-( is anyone know this problem with the full discharge...? i try to flash it with the debug board... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I`ve put right now the freerunner into my PC. Now, I`ll wait for 1 h. and check it again My usb-port should supply 500 mAh, cuz in the past, I`ve charged my freerunner over it I`ve the qtopia image installed, not the ASU...But I tried to start the boot-loader too, which is the original...It should be immaterial which image is installed or isn't it? Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 16:32 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
ok...I`ll wait for Michael`s explanation... thx Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Michael Shiloh[EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
I`ve done a jump start with a ericsson-battery, which have the same Volt. Now my FR has started up and the battery is charging :-) Thanks again for the tip! Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 17:16 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Michael Shiloh[EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down If your battery falls below a certain level then FreeRunner sometimes will not charge it. We are working on fixes for this but in the short term you have these options. 1. Jump start your battery. Michael will explain how, Takes 5 seconds. 2. Get a stand alone battery charger from Nokia ( for battery types 4bl, 5bl, 6bl) 3. Get a replacement battery. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arne anka Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down while surfing the device-owners list i've stumbled over this: Sometimes it happened (I think to all of us! ;) ) that NEO1973's battery goesfully discharged, and for this I follow the instruction on the wiki pages(detach battery 20 seconds, attach to USB, wait 1 hour, start the Phone). anyway -- the guy posting this seemed to have killed his battery (not finished the thread yet). regarding you usb-only: maybe your usb port does not supply 500mAh? btw: your leds flash? mine do nothing -- is this related to the asu image? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down
It mean the same as one know this from a car with a very low battery... (bridged ) just put another battery (I think it`s important, that the second battery have the same Volt) parallel to the original battery. If so, the FR can take the power from the two batteries... Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 13.07.2008 23:18 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: AW: RE: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down I`ve done a jump start care to elaborate? what does jump start mean? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
fixed with this link.. thx Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 11.07.2008 03:01 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry lorn, cheered to soon... there are any problems with the mic and the speaker...so, i can create call`s but i hear nothing and on the opposition are nothing too..so, the main-application (create receive call`s) don`t function on my freerunner...the other tings are tiptop anyone how can confirm that problem? quickfix: ssh into the device as root, and then do ln -s /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios /etc/alsa restart qtopia Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 11.07.2008 01:24 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download? Lorn Potter wrote: Kevin Dean wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get the Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file instead. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 That image is the one that contains a tar.gz image of the rootfs, not a jffs2 image. indeed. sorry about that. will fix in a few hours. ok. That file is updated. :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Op
my wireless connection works well, if i start it over the command line.. for that, i created manually a wpa_supplicant.conf..and started it with the wpa_supplicant command... if i am connected, i see this in the wireless-configuration menu as well..and the qtopia boot-up is also ok... Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 11.07.2008 23:12 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko? Randy S. wrote: Great! Here's what I've got. 1. Often, a startup seems to fail. This always happens when I use NAND u-Boot (a 7-10-2008 version), but usually is OK with u-Boot from NOR (I think it's a May 2008 version). Try this: Quickfix is to ssh into device, edit /etc/init.d/qpe and remove the lines: -#crappy workaround for some weird suspend bug -rm /dev/ttySAC0 -mknod /dev/ttySAC0 c 204 64 -m 660 -chgrp dialout /dev/ttySAC0 - which I put in for the 1973 and attempting to get suspend/resume working. The little crash at first start was fixed in my initial testing of this. 2. Bluetooth handsfree - pairs and connects fine with my handsfree headset. But if I try to make a call with it, there is no sound in the headset or the handset. I don't know if the other person hears me. 3. Bluetooth keyboard - will pair but not connect with my Logitech Lenovo Mini bluetooth keyboard. 4. Bluetooth and reboot - I don't know for sure, but it appears that having any bluetooth configured will cause Qtopia to fail on reboot. I've had to re-flash the rootfs to reset things. will look into bt things. 5. Wireless LAN - once this is set up, it never successfully connects. I use a WPA-KEY configuration. Worse, it seems that after I configure it, Qtopia will never successfully boot up again. I've had to re-flash the rootfs to reset things. That is because wpa_supplicant has problems on this system. If you can get it up through the commandline, let me know. I couldn't. Qtopia runs the script /opt/Qtopia/bin/lan-network for wifi configurations. 6. Installing QPK apps - Is this possible? I would like to run a terminal (the Konsole port) and any other useful/cool apps. I don't know how to go about this. I've copied some QPK files to the /home/root on the device, but how can these be installed? Or can they? They need to be on a web server/feed. I will set up such a feed this week at qtopia.net Qpk's are like opkg but with added security features, such as sandboxing and not running scripts. 7. Can I use the package manager to find apps? (Presumably that requires a network connection, which I don't yet have.) Yes, but it only handles qpk's. 8. Is there a walkthrough to set up GPRS? I'm on T-Mobile in the US. Should I follow the Manually Using GPRS in the openmoko wiki? Or can it be done via Qtopia's UI? (I've not been successful with the latter.) GPRS in Qtopia depends on multiplexing, which we haven't yet gotten working. We will once we get a few more freerunners. 9. Is there any web browser available for this version? Lorn, I saw you mentioned 4.4 will have a Webkit port. Can't wait for that. 4.4 is it. I am trying to get mgmnt to start qtopia 4.4 snapshots so I could release images for it. Thanks for what looks to be a very promising software set, and help addressing these issues. On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Randy S. wrote: Because it seems to make the FR the closest to actually usable, I am using the Qtopia v4.3.2 image and have run into some issues. Where is the proper place to discuss these things? Here in this forum, or in a Qtopia forum? Thx! I think here is fine. otherwise there is a qtopia-interest mailing list: http://lists.trolltech.com/qtopia-interest/ or there are qtopia forums at qtopia.net http://qtopia.net -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo
AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Op
i have other two little tings; 1 = is it not possible to write some text without the dictionary..? i changed the use for input settings in the language menu and restarted qtopia...but after the restart, the use for input casket is still active... 2 = if i write a message or other things, i see at the top a drop-down menu, that i can change the default keyboard to a phone-keyboard.. but i never have the phone-keyboard...when i activate it, nothing happens.i need that, to write messages without a pen other things are really nice...as example the handwriting! good job! Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 12.07.2008 00:13 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko? Attempting to launch the media player caused Qtopia to restart. Three times. Mp3 files on SD don't appear in the media player's lists, but they DO appear in Documents. Clicking on a mp3 file gives a media engine not configured error. The POWER button being held activates the Reset/Restart menu, but releasing the button causes it to close. I need to hold down POWER and press the button I want. On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valerio Valerio wrote: Hi Lorn, great work with Qtopia image, it works fine in my Freerunner, but I found some problems: 1- I don't get the call sound in the speaker; What do you mean by 'call sound'? 2 - The Bluetooth keyboard seems to not input data to the applications (I test it in sms and in notes). Keep the good work :) Cheers, -- Valério Valério http://www.valeriovalerio.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
I have build a jffs2 file; mkfs.jffs2 --pad=0x70 -o rootfs.jffs2 -e 0x4000 -n -d /tmp/jffsroot/ than, i installed the jffs2 with dfu-util...all things looks good...but when i boot this rootfs, i just see a black screen with a white underline and all ca. 20 sec. i see a graphical interface for ca. 2 sec...thats all... what do i wrong..? thanks for all inputs! Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 10.07.2008 11:29 An: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download? Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a Qtopia image for freerunner at qtopia.net. Thank you! :) Can I use the rootfs-gta02.tgz directly whith dfu-util or have I to build a jffs2 file? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
hmmm...the screen does nothing...the freerunner allways change from a black background to graphical interface with a clock in the middle and batterie status right up when i put the AUX-Button it gives me a little white @...never mind! i`ll wait for the jffs2 filethanks for your help! Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 10.07.2008 20:35 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Kopie: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download? Lorn Potter wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have build a jffs2 file; mkfs.jffs2 --pad=0x70 -o rootfs.jffs2 -e 0x4000 -n -d /tmp/jffsroot/ than, i installed the jffs2 with dfu-util...all things looks good...but when i boot this rootfs, i just see a black screen with a white underline and all ca. 20 sec. i see a graphical interface for ca. 2 sec...thats all... what do i wrong..? thanks for all inputs! The tarball you downloaded is a bare rootfs, there is no gui on it. Get the one labeled Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) hmm... must drink coffee before I reply... you need to hit the screen to keep it alive. That Qtopia has suspend enabled and probably is suspending. -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
hi lorn thanks a lot...function on my freerunner :-) Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 11.07.2008 01:24 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download? Lorn Potter wrote: Kevin Dean wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get the Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file instead. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 That image is the one that contains a tar.gz image of the rootfs, not a jffs2 image. indeed. sorry about that. will fix in a few hours. ok. That file is updated. :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
sorry lorn, cheered to soon... there are any problems with the mic and the speaker...so, i can create call`s but i hear nothing and on the opposition are nothing too..so, the main-application (create receive call`s) don`t function on my freerunner...the other tings are tiptop anyone how can confirm that problem? Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 11.07.2008 01:24 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download? Lorn Potter wrote: Kevin Dean wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get the Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02) file instead. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 That image is the one that contains a tar.gz image of the rootfs, not a jffs2 image. indeed. sorry about that. will fix in a few hours. ok. That file is updated. :) -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: packing of my freerunner`s
It was a link into the confirmation-mail from trisoft... TRIsoft-Package-Video verfügbar ! Wie Ihre Sendung gepackt wurde, können Sie sich hier ansehen: Link : http://www.trisoft.de/videos/xx.avi --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 04.07.2008 21:43 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED], List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: packing of my freerunner`s [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: there is a short video from the packing-process of my freerunner`s... :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmlyR7u-zhI ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community How did you get that video? me wants to see my neo getting packed :( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
packing of my freerunner`s
there is a short video from the packing-process of my freerunner`s... :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmlyR7u-zhI ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko
that would be interested for me too...I`ve ordered my Freerunner at the beginning of April... And till now, I`ve only the message, that they will beginning with shipping at 5 july... Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 03.07.2008 07:15 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko What order number did you have? Their website still says they are doing testing and will ship the devices later. Michael Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 03:23:21 schrieb Tim: my packet from trisoft arrived 2nd of july at 9:30 a.m. \o/ got wifi/gps/mp3 working so far... Hi all, my name is Tim and I'm addicted to Neo Freerunner Marcel schrieb: Short translation: Your packet has begun its trip today! Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's getting the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been initiated [which is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this is just what I want to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :) -Marcel Betreff: Re: Bestellung openmoko Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Pulster) Datum: 02 Jul 2008 14:46:00 +0200 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hallo, Gute Neuigkeiten zu ihrer Bestellung bei www.Pulster.de: Ihr Pakerl ist seit heute unterwegs ! (ohne aufs Geld zu warten, kannst uns ja ein bisschen in der ML loben :) ) Wir bedanken uns fuer den Auftrag und wuenschen viel Freude. Wenn sich Fragen zu ihrer Bestellung ergeben, stehe ich Ihnen gerne direkt per Email zur Verfuegung. Oder rufen Sie uns auf unserer Hotline an: 01805-785 783 (DiDo 10-14 Uhr). Schoene Gruesse aus Leimen, Christoph Pulster _ P|U|L|S|T|E|R - Organiser Shop - Openmoko Psion Banaterweg 5, 69181 Leimen, Germany Tel 01805 - 785 783 Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax 01803 - 551 809 858 Web www.Pulster.de _ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko
Hi Tim Do you have a message received from trisoft that they have shipped your freerunner, before 2nd july or was it a beautiful surprise? Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 03.07.2008 16:13 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko We hat Trisoft order 28 and 33. Both arrived on 2nd of july. -tim Michael Kluge schrieb: What order number did you have? Their website still says they are doing testing and will ship the devices later. Michael Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 03:23:21 schrieb Tim: my packet from trisoft arrived 2nd of july at 9:30 a.m. \o/ got wifi/gps/mp3 working so far... Hi all, my name is Tim and I'm addicted to Neo Freerunner Marcel schrieb: Short translation: Your packet has begun its trip today! Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's getting the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been initiated [which is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this is just what I want to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :) -Marcel Betreff: Re: Bestellung openmoko Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Pulster) Datum: 02 Jul 2008 14:46:00 +0200 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hallo, Gute Neuigkeiten zu ihrer Bestellung bei www.Pulster.de: Ihr Pakerl ist seit heute unterwegs ! (ohne aufs Geld zu warten, kannst uns ja ein bisschen in der ML loben :) ) Wir bedanken uns fuer den Auftrag und wuenschen viel Freude. Wenn sich Fragen zu ihrer Bestellung ergeben, stehe ich Ihnen gerne direkt per Email zur Verfuegung. Oder rufen Sie uns auf unserer Hotline an: 01805-785 783 (DiDo 10-14 Uhr). Schoene Gruesse aus Leimen, Christoph Pulster _ P|U|L|S|T|E|R - Organiser Shop - Openmoko Psion Banaterweg 5, 69181 Leimen, Germany Tel 01805 - 785 783 Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax 01803 - 551 809 858 Web www.Pulster.de _ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko
I`ve order #81 and reveived right now the message from trisoft; - Der folgende Auftrag wurde heute per UPS mit der Paketnummer xxx versendet: Verfolgen Sie den Status Ihrer Sendung online : http://www.trisoft.de/ups.htm Achtung: Die Paketinformationen stehen erst am Folgetag morgens zur Verfügung. Unsere Auftragsnummer :x TRIsoft-Package-Video verfügbar ! Wie Ihre Sendung gepackt wurde, können Sie sich hier ansehen: Link : http://www.trisoft.de/videos/x.avi Kundennummer : xxx Ihre Bestellung : Preorder #81 vom 04.04.08 Code Text Menge Nettosumme FreeRunner Openmoko FreeRunner Linuxphone 2 588.24 inkl. Tasche + Headset S/N x Ursprungsland: China. Ware ist nicht präferenzberechtigt. TARIC 8517 1200 90 OM Debugboard Openmoko Debugboard V3 1 75.63 Ursprungsland: China. Ware ist nicht präferenzberechtigt. TARIC 8473 3010 90 Versand UPS Schweiz 35.00 Endsumme inkl. MwSt. : 698.87 Zahlung per : Kreditkarte -- So, now I`m sooo happy :-) And really glad, that I had subscribed by trisoft and not pulster...else I have to wait till end of july... Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 03.07.2008 16:41 An: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: Fwd: Re: Bestellung openmoko Uhh. I have 138. I'll be patient :) Michael Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 16:13:05 schrieb Tim: We hat Trisoft order 28 and 33. Both arrived on 2nd of july. -tim Michael Kluge schrieb: What order number did you have? Their website still says they are doing testing and will ship the devices later. Michael Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 03:23:21 schrieb Tim: my packet from trisoft arrived 2nd of july at 9:30 a.m. \o/ got wifi/gps/mp3 working so far... Hi all, my name is Tim and I'm addicted to Neo Freerunner Marcel schrieb: Short translation: Your packet has begun its trip today! Christoph sent my Freerunner without even knowing for sure that he's getting the payment (but I told him that the bank transfer has been initiated [which is true]) - he suggested praising him on the ml and this is just what I want to do: Christoph, you're simply great! :) -Marcel --- - Betreff: Re: Bestellung openmoko Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Pulster) Datum: 02 Jul 2008 14:46:00 +0200 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hallo, Gute Neuigkeiten zu ihrer Bestellung bei www.Pulster.de: Ihr Pakerl ist seit heute unterwegs ! (ohne aufs Geld zu warten, kannst uns ja ein bisschen in der ML loben :) ) Wir bedanken uns fuer den Auftrag und wuenschen viel Freude. Wenn sich Fragen zu ihrer Bestellung ergeben, stehe ich Ihnen gerne direkt per Email zur Verfuegung. Oder rufen Sie uns auf unserer Hotline an: 01805-785 783 (DiDo 10-14 Uhr). Schoene Gruesse aus Leimen, Christoph Pulster _ P|U|L|S|T|E|R - Organiser Shop - Openmoko Psion Banaterweg 5, 69181 Leimen, Germany Tel 01805 - 785 783 Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax 01803 - 551 809 858 Web www.Pulster.de _ --- - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Where to buy Freerunner in Europe?
And does this mean, even if i had a confirmation in mid of april that i will bi informed as one of the first, there is no Freerunner from Pulster for me before 25th of july :-(((. Marketing driven promises? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Enough already (too many posts about forum vs. mail lists)
Amen, brother Ron! :-) Ron K. Jeffries wrote: People, It's time to end the infinite string of emails about using a forum vs not using one. NOW! For $diety's sake, don't those interested in the world's first completely open mobile phone/portable computer have something of substance to chat about? How about discussing the mechanics and schedule for getting OpenMoko so-called ASU to released, stable software? enough already. [smile] Ron K. Jeffries ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Openmoko official resell partners
Is trisoft.de not an official reseller? Which reseller will receive the first phones? thx. Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 11.06.2008 11:43 An: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Openmoko official resell partners Dear Community, You should already know Pulster and IDA, they are our official reseller in the Germany and India. Today, I want to introduce new partners in Germany and UK, you can buy freerunner from them for save your shipping cost and time. We also have a formal press will release to public later. Germany Golden Delicious Computers- _http://www.goldelico.com _Dr.Nikolaus Schaller UK TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk Mr. Rob wood Besides, I am talking with CEO of Bearstech France about cooperation, so far they are very closely to become my next official partner. BR Harry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion)
H... That would explain the larger screen spec I saw. I smell Golden Formfactor goodness in the oven. Alan Original Message: - From: Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:26:29 -0800 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Appearance of Neo FreeRunner (Was: Re: Wiki - confusion) Hi Kevin, I have looked into your question, and the official answer is that we are not going to discuss the appearance of the Neo FreeRunner until the product releases. Sincerely, Michael On Feb 6, 2008, at 11:56 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi Kevin, That's a good question. I don't know, as I haven't seen the final plastic. Perhaps Wolfgang can answer. Michael Kevin Zuber wrote: Hi Wolfgang and Michael, thank you for clarify that, but it raises a new question for me: Does that mean that there is written Neo FreeRunner in GTA02 at the place where Neo 1973 is written in GTA01? (e.g. in [1]) Thanks, Kevin [1] http://openmoko.com/uploaded_images/black_big.png Am Mittwoch, den 06.02.2008, 01:31 +0800 schrieb Wolfgang Spraul: JW, Michael - we had an internal discussion about this and I think everybody is on the same page now: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Brand: Neo Model: 1973 Version: gta01 'gta' for all gta-series class devices Hope this helps, going forward we will try to get better at keeping internal (engineering) names and marketing names separate, because they travel at different speeds :-) Wolfgang On Feb 6, 2008, at 1:00 AM, Michael Shiloh wrote: JW wrote: so did we get any official pronouncement from the Openmoko team yet? Are Wolfgang Spraul and me right (gta1=neo gta2=freerunner) Or is Piotr right (neo1973 = class of phones covering phase 0 and phase 1 incl gta01 and gta02 and only public release or phase2 = freerunner) Hope i represented Pioter view properly (check further up thread) Would be good to know from one of Openmoko team members (michael?) so wiki can reflect correct picture I haven't had a chance to triple-check, but I'm 99% sure it's this: GTA01 = Neo 1973 GTA02 = Neo FreeRunner Thus both are members of the Neo family. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Merry Christmas!
Indeed. Merry Christmas and Happy Gnu Year! flexd wrote: On behalf of myself, and myself (due to intake of large amounts of beer i now see two of myself in the mirror!) i wish you a merry merry merry CHristmas! -Kristoffer \o (any spellin g aerrors are to be blamed on alchohol) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Fwd: You have been unsubscribed from the community mailing list]
Although I already received notification that I am unsubscribed days ago, I still receive mail from OpenMoko. Can someone please remove me from the list as unsubscription seemingly does not work Original Message Subject: You have been unsubscribed from the community mailing list Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 19:57:48 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
In this case it is a very valid issue and definitely not a complaint or a whine. It basically tanks one of the largest consumer bases and it tanks my project in my company until I find something else. You left out one important part in your mail below. Will GPS work without trouble, is it in any way affected by the bandwidth issue. I would surely think not, but if y0ou want to market this to someone as a PDA only, then definitely give the complete information sucha as include GPS usability in NA. Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: So, ok, the NEO does NOT support 850/1900 MHz band, this is an issue, FIC is informed of that and i think that they are evaluating the possibilities to make it working, so please just stop crying at the list my neo here isn't working... ok, i understand the problem and i understand you, but receiving a tons of similar mail is boring. AFAIK FIC members read the list, and now are just considering some solutions (at least i hope). So in conclusion, the replies at the FAQ on this issue are (forgive me if appear a bit rude but it's due to my english): I live in north america, i have my NEO dev edition and i can't get the signal, what i can do? sell your neo, it's an hardware/firmware/software issue, so it can't be fixed with a simple software upgrade I need the 850 support should i buy the neo now? No you don't have to until you want a good pda whitout the possibility to make phone calls I live in NA and i usually stay in my big city, will the neo get the signal? May be, it will probably get it but it's not assured, you can try to verify somehow if the bands supported by the neo are covering your area What can i do to make the neo supporting those bands? you can do nothing What is FIC doing about this? Don't know, i hope they are considering some solutions for this issue Last but not least: which are the solutions which FIC is considering? The solutions are: 1) do nothing, at least for the GTA02, maybe a fix in GTA03 or something similar 2) produce 2 separate phone, 1 for the NA and another one for the Rest Of The World (identical phone except the capability to get the 850/1900 band INSTEAD the 900/1800 one) 3) make a nice community poll to ask if the members can wait another 2 month (the time is just something I think) to redesign the hardware and fix the firmware so that we can have a full quad band phone) The 3rd solution was not proposed but it's another way to solve the problem, honestly i don't mind about the quad band, i live in italy and i don't think i'll ever come to america, if i'll do that i'll use some other cheap phone, but i think that it's important for other community member to have it working in quad band way, so i'll wait if the community will decide to wait and obviously FIC will consider this solution. Cya! Pietro P.S. We will wait for some FIC official solution. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
We were willing to wait for the commercial version to start our development, but if that is not going to be functional in the USA in remote areas like other cellphones, then it is lights-out for any possible future vendor here in the USA who want to incorporate this in to an existing product line. Thats a fact not a wine. I will get a development kit from Apple and live with it. Our products need a gps/phone/computer system as an add-on and it cant wait past January 2008. If the GPS works great I will buy it as a PDA in future once it is released. This morning the project using the NEO was canned, reasons are, ever shifting timetables and secondly, too much risk when the rug is pulled from under your feet by FIC suddenly not supporting US frequency bands, while there are other alternatives such as Iphone available with a development kit that might meet our development scenario -- (about just). Unfortunately rural access is crucial for our applications, so it just became a no-no. Anyway thanks to all for the input, and the NEO was a great idea till now, unfortunately it does not seem if it will be available in a working state within the next year here in the USA. All of luck with OpenMoko. Bye. Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: In this case it is a very valid issue and definitely not a complaint or a whine. It basically tanks one of the largest consumer bases and it tanks my project in my company until I find something else. Well the man at FIC (Michael) said that this issue is being evaluated, i'm not associated with fic in any way so anything i'm writing is because i've read the mails coming from this mailing list. You left out one important part in your mail below. No, i've left anything because the subject of this mail is regarding the 850MHz issue, GPS is not involved with it. Well, then add in the WIKI that GPS will still work in NA, else it only makes matters worse for marketing and is misleading by not disclosing all the features that will work.. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Randall Mason wrote: How are there so many people who know so little about cell phones, GPS, and PDAs that claim to be supporting projects on this phone? I would challenge you on that flame Mr Ignoramus. I dont have to prove anything to you as I dont need your sanction. How did you convince your company to start these projects? Because I have several patents (working in industry) making a lot of money and have 100's of large industrial corporations as customers. Why was Michael's initial post saying that 850MHz is not supported because of hardware layout not enough? How do people decide that they want quad band phones without knowing what they really are and why they would want them (besides wow, quad band works everywhere, right? Great, I'll just get quad band so I never have to think!)? Because simply put, IT WONT WORK in rural areas remotely as well as another cell phone supporting both bands. Been there done that. Cant you get it!? Anyway I will unsubscribe as I am not interested in non-factual hothead behavior. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
I just checked the manual, it is 850 / 1900 So it really seems to be a bad idea to continue with NEO here in the states. Real pity as it was about the perfect solution for some of our products. Anyone has an idea of another phone-pda that can at least allow to compile your own programs? I need phones for customers as service modules so they need to be able to run Linux and be open enough to accept compilers for Console programs written in C, fpk, Ada. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Yes well it is the dreaded silly 110V/220V, Pal/NTSC, lb/kg standards monster again. Not long ago (10 yeqrs ago) there were a lot of resistance to GSM here which is just not understandable and luckily it is getting way more foothold. I am currently with T-Mobile as they always were a GSM shop. The phone with the ultimate best coverage for me here in the states on GSM is an Old Siemens M56 on T-Mobile. I tried several new phones/services which just died out in the sticks. Does anyone know if the Siemens M56 was a dual or single band phone? If the band-spec is contained in the Neo, I would not be worried about it. thanks Mikko J Rauhala wrote: On ke, 2007-11-07 at 10:31 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I cannot get the original reference to why this is an issue for North American users. NA uses the unusual 850 MHz and 1900 MHz bands for GSM. The Neo, at least as it will be first available, will not support 850 MHz (but will 1900 MHz). This means that it can work in NA, _but_ will get worse coverage than GSM phones capable of also 850 MHz operation. According to my second-hand understanding of the situation, of the major US GSM providers, T-Mobile has more 1900 MHz coverage than ATT/Cingular, and that major cities may have decent amounts of it as opposed to rural areas. It's vague, but HTH. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could just develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper. If it is OTS, then it is way more reliable due to massicve customer feedback than an obscure OEM, but it is a good idea thanks. It seems I will have to go back to the drawing board and find something close to the Neo. I did not look further as Neo was about 100% what I was looking for. Thanks to all for the help. Bye. Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 07.11.2007 um 17:20 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyone has an idea of another phone-pda that can at least allow to compile your own programs? I need phones for customers as service modules so they need to be able to run Linux and be open enough to accept compilers for Console programs written in C, fpk, Ada. What about http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Compulab_EM-X270 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives
Sorry, I cannot get the original reference to why this is an issue for North American users. Can someone just give me a 2-5 liner of what this means to a user that will buy commercial versions released later this year as my interest is for product integration with existing products, so I need to know if the commercial version will not function in the US (if I read right) Thanks ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue
ian douglas wrote: I don't want to start another thread like the other guy did a few months back bout convince me to keep my Neo but now I've got two major strikes against me using this phone. What's next? Ahhh...There's nothing like achieving infamy to start my morning off right. Seriously though, this is VERY bad news for western hemisphere participation in the OpenMoko project. I will repeat my earlier exhortation to FIC and the project: The Apple iPhone *HAS* changed the public's perceptions of what a small, personal communication enabled pocket computer is capable of doing and how it can make their lives easier and keep them up to date and in touch with all that interests them. And after using mine for 60 days now, I am *CONVINCED* that Apple has hit upon a nearly perfect form factor and device interaction model. The centered, 4.5 Diag *Finger Touch* screen with one thumb width of grip space on either end of a basically rectangular device is a Golden Form Factor. Yes, there are things I would change and things I would add and I am compiling a list, and YES, the fact that this thing's software is NOT open source makes me nuts! Once more with feeling now: In my humble opinion, FIC needs to scrap the GTA01/02 form factor and redesign it to closely match the iPhone's front face. This would give MORE room inside for the boards and battery than the current stretched doughnut design.At the very least, if FIC is seriously going to put the GTA02 into production, they should start a separate design team on an iPhone clone project immediately. And for Tiny Tim's sake, let's use that extra room to enable all four bands this time, OK? Ahhh... Infamy. Alan Original Message: - From: ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:53:17 -0800 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue Agreed, I'm in California as well, and though I bought a pre-paid T Mobile card, it doesn't work either because of the 3G issue. It would seem the 850 issue plus the 3G issue has just 'bricked' my Neo (in a metaphorical sense) without me writing a single line of code. And given that the GTA02 will have the same 850 issue, plus that we haven't heard any new news on the 3G firmware upgrade for quite a while, my dream of developing for the Neo is starting to fade away. (Michael informed us back on Oct 13th that they were just working out the 'distribution terms' for giving us a firmware patch -- what's the status?) I don't want to start another thread like the other guy did a few months back bout convince me to keep my Neo but now I've got two major strikes against me using this phone. What's next? -id Tupshin Harper wrote: FWIW, I was planning on buying a GTA02 as soon as its available, but no 850 is a deal breaker since I would be using it on ATT's network in California. I would certainly be willing to buy it without 900MHZ support, though. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones like OpenMoko
Well, i guess - this is the result of Steve's heavy drug consumption in the early 70th's. The same story with the old Apple II and Mac - hide hide hide - loosing realtity - what a mess for that kind of brain. cy Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 28.09.2007 15:12 An: OpenMoko Communitycommunity@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Apple#39;s heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko BBC NEWS | Technology | Apple iPhone warning proves true http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7017660.stm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko
Very true, BUT... and this is a big but FIC or some other smart manufacturer has to clone the iPhone's form factor details and performance points. I have lived with my iPhone now for a few weeks and I simply LOVE it. I bought TWO more for my wife and daughter. Yes, the software IS a big part of it, but the hardware design is NOT to be discounted here. I have stated here on list that future FIC designs need to be more like the iPhone. Apple has chosen it's (obviously wrong) direction and FIC and others have an opportunity to step in and give the world what it wants. In my humble opinion, and I know I'm going to take a lot of arrows for this, FIC needs to halt the GTA02 work and re-form factor the design to have a larger, glass protected screen. There is only about a six month window here that Apple has left open. Someone will clone this form factor and slap an OSS stack on it (QTopia?) and I'd like to see FIC/OpenMoko be the first out of the gate. Alan Original Message: - From: Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:12:05 -0400 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linux smartphones likeOpenMoko BBC NEWS | Technology | Apple iPhone warning proves true http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7017660.stm ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for Linuxsmartphones likeOpenMoko
The neo's screen is already bigger- it has more pixels. No. The dimensions of the Neo's screen are smaller at 2.5 diag versus 3.5 diag. for the iPhone. Yes, the VGA resolution is impressive and superior to the iPhone, but for a touch screen interface, you must maximize the screen size to device plan form ratio so you can make touch screen keyboarding work without annoying the user with constant finger-tip typos. Use an iPhone and you'll see that the inferior resolution is not a problem. In any case, the neo isn't about schnazz, it's about freedom. Kind of like PC hardware vs mac hardware. PC hardware is open and awesome- you can pick from 500 different motherboards, gfx cards, vendors, etc., unlike the apple-only mac, but pc hardware isn't as schnazzy looking as macs. This is not about style. This is about optimum human/device interaction form factors. It is the size and shape and layout of the iPhone that strongly influences the usability of the device. And...And...Who says you can't want style --AND-- freedom? IMO the neo isn't and should be trying to be schnazzy, I think you're wrong about matching up to the iphone's look. Once again...Form factor is the point here. Not Styling. Trim it different, use day-glo plastics! I don't care. Just make sure it is about the same dimensions, predominately rectangular, and has a flush glass screen. Although I do hope the neo comes in colors, that would be appropriate to the freedom thing. The first thing I bought as an iPhone accessory was a pack of six Silicone iPhone jackets, all in different colors. My wife grabbed the Girly Pink one, and I took the manly black one! Alan Original Message: - From: Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:09:11 -0400 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Apple's heavy hand an opportunity for LinuxsmartphoneslikeOpenMoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my humble opinion, and I know I'm going to take a lot of arrows for this, FIC needs to halt the GTA02 work and re-form factor the design to have a larger, glass protected screen. The neo's screen is already bigger- it has more pixels. In any case, the neo isn't about schnazz, it's about freedom. Kind of like PC hardware vs mac hardware. PC hardware is open and awesome- you can pick from 500 different motherboards, gfx cards, vendors, etc., unlike the apple-only mac, but pc hardware isn't as schnazzy looking as macs. IMO the neo isn't and should be trying to be schnazzy, I think you're wrong about matching up to the iphone's look. Although I do hope the neo comes in colors, that would be appropriate to the freedom thing. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: iPhone SIMlock broken :)
There is a great deal to learn from the iPhone, both in the things Apple has done right, and the things they have missed or done wrong. I would encourage all OpenMoko developers who have the means, to get their hands on one and play with it. As indicated below, this email was sent from my unlocked iPhone operating on T-Mobile's US GSM network. Sent from my iPhone --- On Sep 13, 2007, at 5:39 AM, Bartlomiej Zdanowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some guys broke iPhone's SIMlock. http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/24/iphone-unlocked-atandt-loses-iphone-exclusivity-august-24-2007/ Best regards, -- Bartlomiej Zdanowski Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: omit qemu from OE build?
hi shawn, qemu NEED gcc 3.x. chees CY Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 02.09.2007 02:44 An: List for OpenMoko community discussion[EMAIL PROTECTED] openmoko.org Betreff: omit qemu from OE build? After the compiler badness on my one gentoo system (which I have no idea how to resolve) I decided to try on another machine which happens to be 64-bit and with gcc 4.1, so there isn't much hope of getting qemu to run. But openmoko-devel-image or openmoko-image depend on it. Is there a way to remove this dependency so I can just build images for the phone? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: I encourage you (and everyone else) to see this project for what it is -- a truly unique opportunity to take part in the development of an open phone. This is a personal dream of mine for years. Even though we've had our fair share of delays, I'm still incredibly excited about where we stand now. These are very true and wise words and my fear is that the community criticizing FIC without justification is going to risk closing doors. It is difficult enough to get Linux support from vendors and FIC do not need to hear the kind of rants which were encountered in this thread. My company intend to use a lot of these, therefore as a prospective customer/developer I dont want to hear rants against FIC as it send the wrong message. The community should learn not to bite the hand that feeds it. A true developer interested in development, will not parade a community with posts lambasting it's sponsor FIC. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
Sean Thank you for taking the time to respond. I know how busy you are and your taking the time to address my comments is much appreciated. Your response reminded me of something once taught to me by a man I once worked for and much admired, Dr. Russ Turner, former CEO of United Space Alliance, now retired. He told me that when you have to withhold information from someone, be honest about it and always take the time to explain why it has to be withheld. Also, when you simply don't have the information, let the inquirer know when you likely will have it. This two simple rules go a long way toward keeping people working together effectively. If I abused the Community inbox with my frustrations, I sincerely apologise. I felt it necessary to call attention to the fact that the community was now split into two camps, the haves and have nots. As one of the have nots, I was frustrated with the inability to participate due to the limited quantities produced in the GTA01 runs, and even more frustrated with the lack of ANY date information on the GTA01 backorder run or even a Rough-Order-of-Magnitude date/month/quarter estimate for GTA02 availability. Also frustrating for me was that the Interest List in the wiki was not used in anyway to prioritize the orders taken and shipped. I strongly urge you to erect a GTA02 PRE-ORDER queue as soon as possible to help those left out of the GTA01 fun to get a spot in line for the GTA02. This will also help you better estimate the production demand. As for future Neo shaping... We all like and appreciate style and modernity, but form should always follow function and let's make sure we think carefully about ways that people are likely to want to use this device considering the amazing possibilities an open platform like this has. I would love to be able to whip out a blue tooth keyboard and post an entry to my much neglected blog when I have the opportunity. The freedom of Landscape or Portrait use should not be limited to handholding or to the availability of specially molded cradles. Thank you again for your hard work and please understand that I share your excitement for this project and sorry if some of my suppressed excitement got converted to frustration. Alan McSwain Original Message: - From: Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:46:57 +0800 To: community@lists.openmoko.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order. Hi Alan, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMHO, Your response here to Joe was uncalled for and frankly, rude. I also resent the implication that I and others are disgruntled whiners. While gentleman may agree or disagree, there is little to no call for this kind response to such a minor observation or suggestion. My point is starting this topic was to bring attention to the fact that probably 500 to 1000 potential developers were likely to get saddled with GTA01 phones right before the GTA02s were released and that FIC staff were not providing sufficient information about likely delivery dates. We are volunteers TRYING to put up our time and money to move this along, but due to understandable circumstances many of us are being left out. FIC should be more open about the schedules if they expect volunteers to contribute time and effort. It would also be quite understandable for a potential developer to be annoyed that he just payed for a GTA01 and the GTA02 come out within days. FIC should proactivly mitigate this possible scenario. I really wish we could give more accurate timing information. But please understand that what you're seeing is a product being built from scratch. We're not using reference designs. We're not using 3rd party software. We're doing this from scratch. And _very_ publicly. You can track on code and comments every day if you like. We don't hide anything. Bugs and all. Product development is messy. There are literally hundreds of components in this device, all needing to be sourced with different lead times from different vendors. If SDRAM becomes scarce, we suffer. If a vendor has yield problems, so we do we. I encourage you (and everyone else) to see this project for what it is -- a truly unique opportunity to take part in the development of an open phone. This is a personal dream of mine for years. Even though we've had our fair share of delays, I'm still incredibly excited about where we stand now. Your support, by buying hardware, or just making constructive comments, will allow us to grow and help change this industry. We're still small now, but we've got grand plans ;-) More on the future shape of the Neo... Another reason to square off the bottom is to make it stand up on a flat surface or MORE IMPORTANTLY, sit upright in an off-the-shelf bluetooth mini keyboard. You should not be restricted to landscape mode useage when off device keyboarding. Remember, were not just talking about
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
I am not interested to disect the argument around axis of symmetry to help you prove your childish argument. If you are one of the disgruntled whiners about the Neo, then unsubscribe. Joe Friedrichsen wrote: On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the post before you jump to conclusions. The suggestion was to make at least the bottom square. I did: On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer the aesthetic look of the Neo and there is nothing more comfortable to handle than a symmetric design. Point in case, a classical rounded edge shaped bar of soap is the easiest to handleSquare soap never worked for me. The structure and order of your statements give the impression that your 'point in case' refers to your preference of symmetric designs. That example compares two symmetric shapes as if one were not. The square-bottomed Neo suggestion is still symmetric about two of the three axes as well :-P Joe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] IMHO, Your response here to Joe was uncalled for and frankly, rude. I also resent the implication that I and others are disgruntled whiners. While gentleman may agree or disagree, there is little to no call for this kind response to such a minor observation or suggestion. My point is starting this topic was to bring attention to the fact that probably 500 to 1000 potential developers were likely to get saddled with GTA01 phones right before the GTA02s were released and that FIC staff were not providing sufficient information about likely delivery dates. We are volunteers TRYING to put up our time and money to move this along, but due to understandable circumstances many of us are being left out. FIC should be more open about the schedules if they expect volunteers to contribute time and effort. It would also be quite understandable for a potential developer to be annoyed that he just payed for a GTA01 and the GTA02 come out within days. FIC should proactivly mitigate this possible scenario. More on the future shape of the Neo... Another reason to square off the bottom is to make it stand up on a flat surface or MORE IMPORTANTLY, sit upright in an off-the-shelf bluetooth mini keyboard. You should not be restricted to landscape mode useage when off device keyboarding. Remember, were not just talking about a PHONE here, but portable microcomputing. Alan McSwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:25:08 -0400 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order. If you are one of the disgruntled whiners about the Neo, then unsubscribe. Joe Friedrichsen wrote: On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the post before you jump to conclusions. The suggestion was to make at least the bottom square. I did: On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer the aesthetic look of the Neo and there is nothing more comfortable to handle than a symmetric design. Point in case, a classical rounded edge shaped bar of soap is the easiest to handleSquare soap never worked for me. The structure and order of your statements give the impression that your 'point in case' refers to your preference of symmetric designs. That example compares two symmetric shapes as if one were not. The square-bottomed Neo suggestion is still symmetric about two of the three axes as well :-P Joe mail2web.com Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
Just a status update here: I emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] and Jouston was kind enough to respond promptly. (Thank-you!) Basically, I asked to have my GTA01 back-order cancelled if they did not have them stateside by September 10th. Jouston replied that they would not available until the 20th and promptly cancelled my order for me. It simply made NO SENSE to me to keep open an order for the GTA01 if the GTA02 will follow within 60 to 90 days. The Wi-Fi feature is an important enough addition to wait for. Until then, I have ordered an iPhone and will do my best to avoid bricking it while I try my hand at unlocking it to work on T-Mobile's network. Yes, it lacks the AGPS I need for some of the geospace-aware apps that I would like to work on, but it will be interesting to study the interface design up close. Also, while I'm at it (and I have your attention), there are a few horifically basic handset design issues that need to be addressed in future FIC/OpenMoko hardware designs that looking at the iPhone makes painfully obvious: 1) Shape. The hemisphere on the bottom of the GTA01/02 phone will not allow the phone to remain upright in a breast pocket. It will always cant to one side or the other. The bottom needs to be pretty much squared off. 2) Touch-Screen recess. The bezel height around the touch screen needs to be cut down to no more than 1mm so that the maximum touch screen finger use utility is preserved. If these have been mentioned before on the list or the wiki, well, just add my voice to the choir. Doing my best to not sound Pissed off or Disgruntled here... Alan Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:50:45 -0400 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order. There appear to be some disgruntled developers out there with the Neo1973 GTA01 sitting on the shelf. Please consider selling your development handset on eBay or similar so other, more active developers, without hardware can get one. Just my $0.02, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why am I not being given the choice to RIGHT NOW to be placed at the FRONT of the GTA02 sales queue? Why dont I have a billion dollars? I really want it and I could really use it... Why am I putting up with all this frustration reading about others who -have- their phones and why should I not just cancel my order?? Seriously, with your already pissed off tone, I would never get this phone. I have one, and now wish I didnt get it. I am not looking for my money back or anything like that, I knew I could be buying a brick and was willing to take that risk.. But the fact is I just dont use it. I would think very early on the focus would be to reliably make and receive calls, which this phone cannot do. If I could use this to simply make and receive calls, I would have it with me and thus be more willing to write stuff for it while I have some down time at work. As it stands now it sits at home. I will have no interest in it until I can make and receive calls. Not make a few calls, then reboot, then receive a call, then reboot, etc... Thats just my opinion tho, so all the linux nuts out there please dont jump down my throat. The only reason I am writing this is so the guy asking the questions will get another point of view.. Dont get me wrong, this phone has tons of potential, but I think others may be in the same situation as me.. And after a few months of it sitting on the shelf, I will forget its there and move onto something else... That is of course if we dont get a reliable dialer in the near future.. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, while I'm at it (and I have your attention), there are a few horifically basic handset design issues that need to be addressed in future FIC/OpenMoko hardware designs that looking at the iPhone makes painfully obvious: 1) Shape. The hemisphere on the bottom of the GTA01/02 phone will not allow the phone to remain upright in a breast pocket. It will always cant to one side or the other. The bottom needs to be pretty much squared off. Doing my best to not sound Pissed off or Disgruntled here... Alan Unfortunately this is half the story. Whatever I ever kept in my pocket fell out and broke if my pocket was not buttoned at the top. Glasses phones pdas ... you name it. The requirement to have your pocket buttoned up is way more important. So the requirement that it must be flat at the bottom is superficial. I prefer the aesthetic look of the Neo and there is nothing more comfortable to handle than a symmetric design. Point in case, a classical rounded edge shaped bar of soap is the easiest to handleSquare soap never worked for me. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
Read the post before you jump to conclusions. The suggestion was to make at least the bottom square. Joe Friedrichsen wrote: On 8/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer the aesthetic look of the Neo and there is nothing more comfortable to handle than a symmetric design. Point in case, a classical rounded edge shaped bar of soap is the easiest to handleSquare soap never worked for me. If I have my definitions right, squares are also symmetrical :-P Joe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: Re: compile error
hi sk, you are absolut right: you must have both! thks CY Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 27.08.2007 09:26 An: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: compile error Hi, On 8/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does someone has the same problem with the -lz option in the qtopia- core section? On Debian Etch I had to install zliblg and zliblg-dev, for the above. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
compile error
hi community, does someone has the same problem with the -lz option in the qtopia- core section? i can't compile this section beacause it is for me unclear what kind of lib is used. comments and solutions are welcome cy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
I am frustrated. After waiting patiently for many, many months for the hardware to arrive, and getting absolutely NO status information on my order for weeks, I finally sent an email and I got this: I am sorry that we are not able to arrange your order on 2nd batch which is in mid-August. Both Base- and Advanced- phones are running out of stock. However, there will be another shipment ready for the rest of back orders in September. Appreciate your understanding and supporting. I then asked two important questions: When in September? --and-- When is the GTA02 expected to start shipping? Here's the reply (timely though, I'll grant you): I can't give you the exact date but in September. As for GTA02, I think that I'm not the right contact window or in a position to answer that. You may keep a close watch on our community and on wiki sites. Thanks. Why can't I get quality, authoritative answers to these questions? Unless I'm some kind of idiot, why would I want buy a GTA01 phone if the GTA02 was to follow shortly? Why am I not being given the choice to RIGHT NOW to be placed at the FRONT of the GTA02 sales queue? Why am I putting up with all this frustration reading about others who -have- their phones and why should I not just cancel my order?? Convince me. myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
Thank you for that wonderful explanation! BTW: Where is my own e-mail in the list? I still did not receive it, but it seems you did?! Somethings strange in that list... Am I right that I would need to solder some more things to make this whole construction work? I mean, I have to spend these 5V to the Neo for charging, and still need the other pins for transferring data from the USB drive to the Neo. So I would have to split the cable, right? Rusty Chris wrote: device (in theory the Neo can be host or client, though currently only client mode is functional). *But this feature will hopefully be added in GTA2?* If a device wants to draw more power it is required to ask permission from the host/hub. Many simple [non-compliant] devices skip this step and just assume that they can draw as much power as they want, which leads to problems of overloading the host/hub. The Neo will not draw more than 100ma until it has gotten permission. There is one exception - the neo can detect its own 'dumb' charger by the presence of 48kOhm resistance between USB pin 5 and ground. In this case the power mgmt unit will allow the full 500ma power draw. So if you have a decently noise-free 5V USB car charger, it would be fairly simple to solder in a 48k resistor (note that it should be low-tolerance - 1%) and have the neo pull 500mA for fast charging. As for forcing the neo to ignore USB power negotiation, I don't know if this is a kernel driver issue (hackable) or a USB chipset issue (less hackable)... -Rust ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Neo Sound and USB Questions
Hi List! I've got a few questions as I'm a little bit confused about some issues. (Also have no Neo to test it myself) First of all, what about the soundcard the Neo provides. Is it a good one or some kind of cheap hardware, designed for phone-call-quality sound output? (And is it sterio or not) I guess the AUX-Port on the Neo is a 3,5mm (or maybe 2,5mm) TRS Connector (german: Klinkenstecker) used often for Headsets (4 connectors instead of 3 as usual). If so, is it still usable for an external amplifier? Let's assume the soundcard is no good. So it should be possible to use a external USB Soundcard with crazy-high-definition-whatever-output, to make the Neo giving me crystal clear sounds, right? (I think you need that external powered USB hub then...) Is it possible to use the external soundcard and charge the Neo the same time? Or use an external USB harddisk, the soundcard and still charge the Neo? Well, for what do I need all that information? I want to use the Neo as sound system in my car, and therefor need all this stuff ;) Thanks for any suggestion! Daniel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Changes between GTA1 and GTA2?
Am I the only one who's getting this annoying duplicates of e-mails? If so, sorry for the off-topic. Otherwise, can someone fix this? Daniel Peter A Trotter wrote: It is standard for telephone systems to only provide mono sound for calls. I believe the reference here to stereo and mono is in regard to the playing media via the built in speakers etc. I think the second internal speaker was sacrificed to make room for other goodies or was considered un necessary given how close the speakers are together. Stereo will still be available with headphones and other headsets where supported by the headset. -Pete ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AW: compilation of openmoko platform
. be in touch. wait 2 hours again. i use a SUN grid system (6 CPUs)- just 1.5 hours cy Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 16.08.2007 11:01 An: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: compilation of openmoko platform Hi I am eager to develop some apps for neo. I was trying to compile openmoko platform using MokoMakefile. It took almost 12 hours(in P4 3.2Ghz 512 RAM) in the compilation of alsa-lib. still it did not finish. How long will it take to compile in an average system? I just read 7 hours somewhere. Did i forget somethings to do? Why is it taking so long to compile? Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance -- Thanks, Ashok ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
These are really good news, you put me in good humor! :) (Thank you too, Ian) Last important thing is the charging over USB while the external hard disk is connected. Hope someone of the device owners could test this ;) Ahh, and what about that USB port? I remember a thread but I'm not sure: Does the Neo have a USB 1.1 Port? All I found on the wiki was - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_DFU Do we have an upgradeable USB 1.1 port? Or what does it mean? Hey! If you someday make this sound system for your car, please share with us some docs/photos/anything ;) Be sure, mate, you'll get that docs/pictures/anything when it's done. (Probably the first thing I'll do with GTA2) And you'll be the first to get the link to the source code, for my application to get some engine data, like oil temperature, oil pressure, and everything my board electricity gives me to put on that screen :) Have to stop dreaming now, these ideas drive me crazy... (Think of getting rid of all buttons you ever used in your car) Greetings, Daniel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions
These are really good news, you put me in good humor! :) (Thank you too, Ian) Last important thing is the charging over USB while the external hard disk is connected. Hope someone of the device owners could test this ;) Ahh, and what about that USB port? I remember a thread but I'm not sure: Does the Neo have a USB 1.1 Port? All I found on the wiki was - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_DFU Do we have an upgradeable USB 1.1 port? Or what does it mean? Hey! If you someday make this sound system for your car, please share with us some docs/photos/anything ;) Be sure, mate, you'll get that docs/pictures/anything when it's done. (Probably the first thing I'll do with GTA2) And you'll be the first to get the link to the source code, for my application to get some engine data, like oil temperature, oil pressure, and everything my board electricity gives me to put on that screen :) Have to stop dreaming now, these ideas drive me crazy... (Think of getting rid of all buttons you ever used in your car) Greetings, Daniel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
List not Working??
Has the list died? Nothing for three days now. mail2web LIVE Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo 1973 is sold out..
Maybe some of us are just jumping the gun, what if that message is meant to say: We will only be shipping units for the orders that we receive after today in September..or something like that. Nope. Re-read the original post. I captured that text of the blog and the webstore. They specifically use the word OVERSOLD. That means you may have ordered weeks ago and still may be outta luck. But without more information from the store staff, you're in Neo-Limbo. The last thing I want is to get charged for the GTA01 in October and then a month or two later the GTA02 comes out. (Though few think that to be a realistic scenario at this time.) I would like FIC to pin-point the oversold cutoff order number and post it as soon as possible, if that is not too much to ask. Most of us have been exceptionally patient, supportive and exited about the project. Many years ago, I saw an interview with Arthur C. Clarke in which he mentioned his latest Clarkism: Trying to learn about computers without the hardware is like trying to learn about sex without the software. Alan (Still exited, just a bit annoyed.) mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
$3000 roaming Iphone/ATT story
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/07/31/att_iphone_intl_roam.html; I guess that happens if you dont know what you are really charged for when locked into a provider such as ATT. Even more reason to have an unlocked phone. If you want to unlock the Iphone, all you have is a PDA. It should be clear that the Iphone is a bit dead in the water. Anyway, this definitely helps to justify the wait for the FIC NEO. This looks like to me as if you HAVE TO use ATT when in Europe!? No wonder it is so expensive to roam. If this is true, the the Iphone is a dead duck for business. Seemingly the poor Iphone users cannot negotiate better deals, why because there is no competition .. only ATT for the Iphone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What is the FCC ID of the neo1973?
Jeff Rush wrote: Adam Krikstone wrote: I see no mention of it anywhere on the wiki or lists. Does anyone know the FCC ID? I'm curious of what use that information is -- does the registration point to information at the FCC that says something about the functioning of the phone? Are you worried that it is an illegal phone? -Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community You can find the FCC ID behind the battery on the sticker with the Model Name, Serial Number, etc. -Cassj ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Duplicate Message Remover for Thunderbird
Hey Moko-Magicians... For those of us using Thunderbird, you can download a Duplicate Message Remover add-on from here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/956 I just used it and took 433 messages down to like 187 just in my OpenMoko in-folder alone. Hope that helps some...Cassj --- when mind control works you won't know it. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I got charged ;)
Myk Melez wrote: Myk Melez wrote: Gau, Frank wrote: Your credit card has now been charged by the following amount: ... My Order# 2309 My order number is #1987. My YES_I_DO request was sent by FIC on Friday, July 13 at 6:43pm PDT (Saturday, July 14 1:43am UTC). I received it at approximately 7:03pm (2:03am) that evening, and I sent a response at 7:05pm (2:05am). Update: I just received a payment received message. It says they'll send out my order ASAP and will notify me again when it's been sent. Sounds like it'll go out too late for me to receive it before heading off for OSCON tomorrow afternoon, unfortunately. -myk ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community w00t! I got charged at 2:16AM EDT! My order is #2012. Thank you OpenMoko Team for all your hard work! -Cassj ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: MokoMakefile under Ubuntu Feisty
Deepank Gupta wrote: Running Mokomakefile is slow, because bitbake is a bit slow right now and it build lots and lots of packages. Gcc internal error must have come when you were installing qemu. Try sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4 More instructions on installing openMoko development environment for Ubuntu Feisty at : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User_talk:Michaelshiloh ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Deepank... Thanks a bunch for that posting! I'm running Ubuntu 7.04, and your post will be a great help. I'll try it out tonight after work. Cheers...Cassj ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Has anyone...
...had their purchased phone arrive yet?? mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
No response since YES_I_DO?
I haven't gotten any response or been charged on my credit card since I replied YES_I_DO. My order number is 2012...oh crap...isn't that when the Mayan calendar ends and the World as we know it ceases to exist? Just my luck! :-P Has anyone else NOT received any response at all yet since YES_I_DO? Cheers...Cassj ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko trademark issues...
Jae Stutzman wrote: OpenMoko.Inc needs to have a clear trademark policy on the name OpenMoko and associated logo, etc. Right now the maemo people are going through some stuff do to recent changes. This is something that Sean and co need to figure out. If it is already figgured out then it should be posted somewhere on the wiki...a quick search for trademark reveals nothing. Just an FYI to those that care. Jae ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Sean and his Team are on top of that FIC has already registered (Oct 4 2006) the wordmark, OpenMoko as a registered trademark in the U.S.A.: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=docstate=m30fsv.2.1 They have also registered the OpenMoko logo: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=docstate=m30fsv.5.2 Also, check out these Live trademarks by FIC: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=tocstate=m30fsv.1.1p_search=searchssp_L=50BackReference=p_plural=yesp_s_PARA1=livep_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA1%24LDexpr=PARA1+AND+PARA2p_s_PARA2=%22FIRST+INTERNATIONAL+COMPUTER%22p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA2%24OWp_op_ALL=ADJa_default=searcha_search=Submit+Querya_search=Submit+Query Cheers...Cassj ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Another article at The Inquirer
The crew over at The Inquirer have posted another article about OpenMoko. http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41147 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Not the free phone
Giles Jones wrote: On 16 Jul 2007, at 19:49, Ryan Prior wrote: I like the tagline Your phone, your way. The idea is that we are putting the consumer in control - this line may mean different things to a techie and non-techie, but that's okay - it ties in with the spirit of freedom. Maybe, but then I think all the marketing is academic without the software being there and working. Good planing is needed in the development stage as well as at the point where you sell the product :) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community I like the MyPhone and Your Phone ideas the best so far. Of course, MyPhone is already taken as a current phone product. One idea would be to leave the word phone off all together, since that is kind of redundant. Make the tag name be something that's defines itself, like Google did. Regardless of the final tag name, I can see the end of the OpenMoko commercialSean Moss Pultz sort of off center camera with a stark white background (a la Apple commercials).Sean answers his Neo then extends his arm with the face of the Neo filling the camera and says, It's for you. Cheers./lost+found/.Cassj~ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Open Source In Mobile (OSiM) conference, September, Spain
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Brad Midgley writes: only Spaniard here, do you know the meaning of 'Moko' in Spanish? It's hard to tell people here about your great platform after they listen to its name! wasn't the chevrolet nova one of the last cars to be marketed by just one name worldwide? It wasn't such a great product name for Spanish speakers. Having owned a 1975 Nova, I'll just say that it was a singularly well-named car. Or at least it would have been, if I were Spanish. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Here's a couple of interesting Moko origins. http://www.tattooarchive.com/history/maori_moko.htm http://www.answers.com/topic/moko-1 A Google image search for Moko returns some cool Maori Moko (face) tats. CheersCazzj -- OpenMoko = TrueFreedom ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 Board only option in October?
Hello, I am also very interested in this potential option. __ Donnie Cass, John P wrote: Sean and team - congratulations on getting the site up. I have a question before I go ahead and order my Neo - there was an earlier discussion about the possibility of getting a GTA02 board in October so we can upgrade our Neos to 02 without having to buy a whole new phone (call it the Philosopher's Neo). Sean - have you had a chance to confirm that there will be a GTA02 board only option available in October? It would be great to be able to buy a Neo now and get started freeing phones with confidence that we can get hold of Wifi soon without having to buy a whole phone. It would be nice if the total cost came in around the price of a GTA02... ;-) http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/006108.html John ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko ads now on youtube
Great work. Quite funny and enjoyable. :) I hope for more to come! __ Donnie Adam Krikstone wrote: Good and bad, here are some ads for openmoko and the neo1973 I did. Sorry for the bad quality on some but there aren't many videos or pictures of the neo1973 besides the wiki. I stayed with the free your phone, aspect since advertising linux to the public is not going to work. I can make better ones if someone can get me high res photos and video (720x480 and above). Playlist: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=472DE700A3CC70A4 Individual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCQ7dmGuAU8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQPjfUqp-dk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qP-K1HOMHk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S--2HeQqjq4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpwxzEopg60 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuG2hYiO9AU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGjY7tigdkA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR4ezMgRlWo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZC3mjRW5Tg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxsVFG7jHI8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62kLhNngE20 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [openmoko-announce] New Oceans
Yay! I was going to wait for GTA02, but the guaranteed price reduction for GTA01B_v4 has convinced me to buy the Neo immediately. :) (Btw, my birthday is in October -- I know what I want!) I think this new ocean will bring a tsunami of change for the future of mobile phones. Thank you Sean, FIC, and OpenMoko. __ Donnie Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, snip ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New wishlist item: Side-mounted touch strip sensor
Ortwin Regel wrote: -snip- I could also see some applications for a Blackberry style wheel, for example volume control and scrolling. I don't think using a futuristic sensor would be a good idea because we already have an analog device without feedback which is the touchscreen. What is the problem with that? I would love a touch pad. So why adding some ugly analog buttons to a mobile, known for not having any buttons (nearly)? A touch pad would give me more power for controlling the speed of scrolling as well... Daniel Ortwin ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Let's play...
...Guess the OpenMoko Web Store URL! Sooner or later, they have to start selling. But from where? webstore.openmoko.org?? store.openmoko.com?? Perhaps an Fic site?? Lots of possibilities. If anyone finds the store under construction, should that info be shared?? Alan mail2web.com Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft® Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo's update news...
I know it's off topic, sorry. But, what the f**k is printed on that poster behind the guy talking (in the beginning)??? lol Cheers, Daniel Bernardo Pellegrini wrote: This is the URL: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8574715471341709984 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS vs. TDOA (was Re: release date)
Andrew, I used both Garmin Ique and Cellphone based-GPS. I can give you hard examples why no corporation that does service calls at this moment would even consider cell-based GPS. I visit customers all over the US and Canada. Out of the 50 or so visits there were about 20 with no cellphone coverage in remote areas where sawmills are located. On the contrary, my Garmin GPS worked flawlessly everywhere. You have no idea what a PITA it is to get to an airport in the middle of the night, with the cell-gps guiding you out of the city and then just dies when you get rural. Furthermore, in order to solve the problem, you will have to carry 3 or four simcards from different carriers since the coverage maps are different for different areas. If you stick to urban areas here in the USA, fine cell-based gps works fine. If you do corporate time critical traveling and service just get a REAL gps such as Garmin or what the FIC NEO will be able to have. If you want to lose money in the services industry here in the US...go ahead use a cellphone to guide you. Been there done that, late or lost every time. AGAIN: I would at this moment not mind to get a Fic Neo if it can make calls and receive calls and it will be nice to get the software upgrades and see it evolve. I just cannot buy the APPLE I-Phone. It is a dead end FIC NEO lookalike , however nice it is. The Iphone is a nice city phone gizmo, not a real business assistant . The FIC has a real chance to become a real travel assistant, but you have to get the basic phones in our hands as soon as the hardware is the final version, else you will make FIC miss the buss. If it receives call dials, have an address book and the hardware is finalized...get it out! Andrew Becherer wrote: On 5/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you guys need to get this out asap. The only reason I do not buy the iphone right now is because it does not have GPS. I think my question is why is everybody freaking out about the iPhone not having GPS? It will report location as close as 30 meters, usually within 100 meters and almost always within 300 meters. This accuracy is good enough for most applications. Even better cellular TDOA is accurate inside building as well as outside buildings (which in my experience GPS is not). Are location detection services like TruePosition's U-TDOA (used by Cingular and T-Mobile in the USA) not available internationally? So why is GPS the killer functionality the Neo has over the iPhone? (note: I understand why the OpenMoko development platform is better than the iPhone. I'm just talking about GPS vs. carrier provided location detection.) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: release date
I dont mind having a FIC NEO 1973, phone that I can only call with and receive calls initially. No problem. I think FIC developers underestimates this. there a re a lot of us in companies want to use the phone platform for other markets anyway. Open Source is the only way we can create derivative applications for it to even distribute with our products. If the hardware is fixed right now and will not be upgraded severely, it would be great to have one now and continually upgrade and add software as it develops. This is anyway how most open source folks work and it is part of the fun. As Steve Jobs said in his keynote speech with the release of the iphone, making a call is the killer app He is right and we must not forget that. I think you guys need to get this out asap. The only reason I do not buy the iphone right now is because it does not have GPS. To me there are three killer aps in order of importance 1) Make a call (thanks Steve you're right) 2) GPS 3) Open source. 3) Internet/mail etc. L Venter MMRI Ian Stirling wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the latest release date for the FIC NEO 1973, and where will I be able to buy it? I am holding off on company cellphone purchases until I see what the neo can do as my company is Unix only which makes it very attractive. If it will take till next year it will be lights out and I will buy something else. For end-users, it's still September. For developers, a couple of weeks, hopefully. This will _NOT_ be a workable phone you want to distribute to employees in a couple of weeks. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
release date
What is the latest release date for the FIC NEO 1973, and where will I be able to buy it? I am holding off on company cellphone purchases until I see what the neo can do as my company is Unix only which makes it very attractive. If it will take till next year it will be lights out and I will buy something else. It better be soon, warts and all. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Durability of the Neo1973?
Sean wrote: Most all the parts are now at the factory. The May 10th run has been delayed about two weeks because of last minute supply coordination issues. But I'm still being told that we're on to have devices this month. That's cool. No problem with waiting a few more weeks. We were all beginning to think the production run was finished and you guys were there at the factory just rolling around on big piles of them. Well, maybe that was just me thinking that. Seriously Sean, we all appreciate the hard work of the Core Team. Alan mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Durability of the Neo1973?
POLZ Wrote: At least to me, the neo1973 is looking more and more like vapourware, an experiment in marketing, whose purpose is to: 1.) estimate the size of the potential market for OpenMoko devices 2.) see how long the hype will last. Can anyone here suggest an HTC phone which can be bought in Europe for less than $400 and can run linux well enough to dial out and somehow connect to a PC ? Ummm... Why go to the trouble of making pre-prod prototypes and photographing the internals? Why so spare on the number of screen mock-ups for all to drool over? Why direct all the press to date at the FOSS developer community, instead of the target mass market? Sorry, but this vapourware marketing research plan that you have so cleverly unmasked is not looking very much like competent, ore even experimental market research to me. Patience, my friend. Patience. Alan mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Durability of the Neo1973?
Jefe.. This is just my opinion here, but I don't see the Neo1973 to be a mass consumer device, nor do I think that is/was FIC's/OpenMoko's intent. The 1973 is a SW Developer/Bleeding Edge Adopter platform. Its a starting place and an incubator for ideas. I would not expect serious drop hardening until the third and fourth generation of the series. And er, Sean... How's that dang production run going? Got my credit card in my breast pocket just waiting. Original Message: - From: el jefe delito [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:05:38 -0500 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Durability of the Neo1973? I was just looking at my current phone's size to compare it to the reports of the Neo1973, and I dropped my phone. I do this a lot, and the phone has held up. Each new phone I purchase is due to a battery issue only. I have never broke a phone due to it falling (but I have broke an iPod due to the internal drive failing after a fall!) Considering that the Neo1973 has no hard drive, how well should we expect the rest of the hardware to hold up due to falls, drops, etc? -- start using Free software http://www.linux.org http://www.fsf.org It's a matter of Liberty not Price: Free Software exists to free you from the artificial constraints set by Apple and Microsoft. Free software is Unrestricted software. Get Free. mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Global MVNO listing
Not sure if this URL passed thru the list before, but I think it is germain to some of the discussions that have been taking place here recently. http://www.telecompaper.com/research/mvnos/ Alan McSwain mail2web LIVE Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: DSP, Yet Another HW wish list item :-)
Lars... Enabling perhaps a personal home dialup internet gateway via a GSM voice connection? (If the mobile operators tighten their grips on authorized GPRS traffic?) (If your mobile operators don't offer prepaid access to GPRS/internet period?) Alan Lurking her more than a while, I strangely not seen this HW request. A reasonably general digital signal processor on the phone. Opening possibility's for all kind of things. accelerated decoders/encoders for audio and video, voice recognition and fingerprint, 2D graphic acceleration, 3D graphic acceleration, accelerated image (think gimp filters) or just any advanced operation... or just making up for missing FPU. While probably more power hungry then respective dedicated chip, it's probably a lot more efficient then the ordinary CPU... and more powerful and flexible. /LaH ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
If you didn't catch this on /. (More on T-Mobile (USA) hobbling)
The discussion at the bottom sounds awful familiar. http://www.gearlog.com/2007/01/tmobile_disses_opera_says_get.php myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.)
Sam... Thanks for posting that link. A great write up on the Fundamentally Immoral business practices in the cellullar communications industry today. What I expect from the Operators or Carriers (depending on which oceans are nearby) is that they cease and desist using obfuscation and bundling to hide the true cost of their services. Ala-carte pricing that can be compared business to business. Another Mini-Rant of my own: Cell Plans That Help Parents Teach Responsibility As a parent, one of my great angers with the cellular industry is that NO-ONE has offered a pre-paid plan that limits the child's monthly use of the air-time resource by cutting it off once the minute limit is exceeded for the month. Calls FROM and TO the parent account would still go through and be billed to the parent account. But the cell industry in not interested in what is best for Society as a whole, namely young people who can demonstrate the ability to conserve and manage resources. Thanks for being such good citizens, guys. ( Sarcasm) Alan McSwain Original Message: - From: Sam Kome [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:18:59 -0500 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.) I think that the article I linked to really clearly covers all of the issues presented in the email responses. The price subsidies, the locked/unlocked, the SIM buying, the phone w/o SIM buying, etc. That's why I brought it to this group, because I respect the intelligence of the folks here, and I think they care about furthering the efficacy and usability of mobile computing and communication. I took it for granted that everyone on the list, including myself, knows the difference between T/CDMA (also available with SIMs, but nevermind) and GSM devices in terms of subscriber identity management. I _don't_ take for granted that anyone not working in or around the cell phone industry can even spell SIM, let alone understand the implications of whether or not their phone has a removable chip, or if that chip will work in another device, let alone with another carrier. When my mother/brother/friend in the US wants to buy a phone, they are very likely to go to one or two cell phone outlet stores, RTFMA, and see a plethora of plans with minutes and calling circles and free-after-x-o'clock. They will not be able to reasonably compare these to each other without performing sophisticated systems analysis on the fly. They will and do sign up for 2 year contracts _and/or_ locked devices. This by the way, makes my job (creating mobile content) more difficult, so I have both the philosphical and selfish professional incentives to try to both educate the general public and solve the core problem as I see it, which is a sea of proprietary devices that have lousy software and worse user interfaces. How'd I do? Still childish boring bullshit? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Rutledge Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:51 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.) SIMs are great - I don't like SIM-free phones like Verizon ones that require somebody at Verizon to switch the service to a different phone. With GSM you just switch the SIM yourself. Of course it would also be nice to be able to use different devices without having to physically switch the SIM (like use the GPRS connection in a laptop or PDA). Anyway SIM-free is misleading as you are using it, because you are actually complaining about locked phones that will only work on one network. And BTW it's not so hard to buy new unlocked phones on the net if you are willing to pay unsubsidized prices for them. As for Jobs, I think he negotiated a lot of unique stuff that cannot typically be negotiated with a carrier. It's too bad the phone still costs $500-600 even with a contract. Makes me wonder what the real manufacturing cost is; is the hardware that super-duper or are they just wanting to have even better margins than they get on ipods? On 2/26/07, Sam Kome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We should paper the world with (something like) this rant ahead of the wide release of Neo1973. The fettered masses really don't get it yet. Covers 8 myths which drive folks to buy locked phones and/or 2yr contracts: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/Its_time_to_buy_SIM-free_ph ones.php How would Apple fans react if the latest Mac computer was exclusively locked to a particular ISP, was only available to people who live in that ISP's service area, and people had to sign up to a 2 year contract with that ISP? The Apple fans would be mad as hell, so why on earth are they having to put up with exactly the same restrictions on a portable, pocket-sized Mac computer called the iPhone? How is it that Finland, a poorer, lower-density country without phone
RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.)
Dean... Its been a while since I looked, but I do stand corrected. The Disney plan indeed launched last June. The Disney plan is not, however prepaid, and worse, it is Disney, the folks who bought and paid for our Sonny Bono Copyright Tem Extension Act. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bono_Copyright_Term_Extension_Act Which, of course, puts them on my List. Thanks again. Alan Original Message: - From: Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:35:21 -0500 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.) As a parent, one of my great angers with the cellular industry is that NO-ONE has offered a pre-paid plan that limits the child's monthly use of the air-time resource by cutting it off once the minute limit is exceeded for the month. Calls FROM and TO the parent account would still go through and be billed to the parent account. Alan, Totally incorrect, this was one of the main themes behind the Disney MVNO and I also think Verizon or cingular have this option as well (I know I saw a tv ad for one of them a few months ago but cant remember which one) Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 2:27 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.) Sam... Thanks for posting that link. A great write up on the Fundamentally Immoral business practices in the cellullar communications industry today. What I expect from the Operators or Carriers (depending on which oceans are nearby) is that they cease and desist using obfuscation and bundling to hide the true cost of their services. Ala-carte pricing that can be compared business to business. Another Mini-Rant of my own: Cell Plans That Help Parents Teach Responsibility As a parent, one of my great angers with the cellular industry is that NO-ONE has offered a pre-paid plan that limits the child's monthly use of the air-time resource by cutting it off once the minute limit is exceeded for the month. Calls FROM and TO the parent account would still go through and be billed to the parent account. But the cell industry in not interested in what is best for Society as a whole, namely young people who can demonstrate the ability to conserve and manage resources. Thanks for being such good citizens, guys. ( Sarcasm) Alan McSwain Original Message: - From: Sam Kome [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:18:59 -0500 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: RE: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.) I think that the article I linked to really clearly covers all of the issues presented in the email responses. The price subsidies, the locked/unlocked, the SIM buying, the phone w/o SIM buying, etc. That's why I brought it to this group, because I respect the intelligence of the folks here, and I think they care about furthering the efficacy and usability of mobile computing and communication. I took it for granted that everyone on the list, including myself, knows the difference between T/CDMA (also available with SIMs, but nevermind) and GSM devices in terms of subscriber identity management. I _don't_ take for granted that anyone not working in or around the cell phone industry can even spell SIM, let alone understand the implications of whether or not their phone has a removable chip, or if that chip will work in another device, let alone with another carrier. When my mother/brother/friend in the US wants to buy a phone, they are very likely to go to one or two cell phone outlet stores, RTFMA, and see a plethora of plans with minutes and calling circles and free-after-x-o'clock. They will not be able to reasonably compare these to each other without performing sophisticated systems analysis on the fly. They will and do sign up for 2 year contracts _and/or_ locked devices. This by the way, makes my job (creating mobile content) more difficult, so I have both the philosphical and selfish professional incentives to try to both educate the general public and solve the core problem as I see it, which is a sea of proprietary devices that have lousy software and worse user interfaces. How'd I do? Still childish boring bullshit? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Rutledge Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:51 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.) SIMs are great - I don't like SIM-free phones like Verizon ones that require somebody at Verizon to switch the service
Re: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation
Clearly, before the September mass market release, we should have regionally oriented wikis that accurately list the Neo1973/OpenMoko friendly carriers and connectivity options. I also floated an idea recently about an Neo/OpenMoko Friendly barnding program that falls in along the same subject here. For what it's worth, I got back an email from T-Mobile customer service and they indicated that they had no plans at this time for the Neo1973. But they also seemed confused about my question in other ways. I imagine that until one of us gets a chance to talk to their VP of 'Keeping The Customer Locked In Our Walled Garden', we'll never know if they see this change/opportunity coming. The Neo/OpenMoko platform, if it takes off, **will** change how the major carriers operate here in the U.S. They will have to morph into something more resembling their european cousins, and stop trying to grab market share by using the latest fashion phone as bait, and instead, focus on being competitive, low access barrier service providers and if they have any sense at all, they will add value by enabling and supporting 'Mobile Connectivity Computing' (MCC) by distributing and supporting MCC oriented software. Alan Original Message: - From: Michael Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:51:47 -0500 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Marketing fodder for Neo: FCC presentation On Thursday 22 February 2007 2:22 pm, Jeff Andros wrote: On 2/22/07, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 22 February 2007 19:43:26 Sam Kome wrote: Yes, if the phone in question has been locked to another carrier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidy_lock Still, nobody really forces you to buy SIM locked phone for all I know. If you want cheap phones, that is usually the price... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community in the U.S. carriers are basically the only real source of phones... and they only sell one kind. it's also next to impossible to buy a plan without purchasing a phone as well(albeit a heavily subsidized one). while there are retailers that sell sim-unlocked phones most of these are either internet order or slightly shady. as I understand it, most other places this is not the case but it's the reality here when Sean's dad, or other normal consumers go out to purchase a phone, the only trustworthy source they can really find is from the carrier... so it's a self-perpetuating ecosystem My experience has been somewhat different. I purchased my last phone, under a contract, from CellularOne in the US. It's a gsm quad-band Motorola V400. It was unlocked at the time of purchase. I've been off contract for over a year now and have successfully used sims from other carriers. The store from which I purchased the phone has told me that CellOne does not lock its phones. Before I found out about the Neo, I was planning on purchasing my next phone from Nokia's company-owned NYC store, where I got my N800. All of their phones are unlocked. Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New to the message board and have a couple questions...
Terry wrote: The only issue with a pre-paid phone may be recharging the phone if the carrier forces you to use some sort of custom on-screen interface to recharge it. It would be good to get reports of any problematic carriers after the initial phone is shipped! Has there been any discussion about creating an OpenMoko Friendly branding program for carriers with an appropriate trademark for easy consumer recognition? Off the top of my head, I would think enrollment in such a carrot program should be contingent upon the carrier making their GPRS access available as a prepaid service as well as voice. Not sure if carriers can selectively restrict access to AGPS, but I would add that baggage as well. OpenMoko is about openness. There is nothing open about term contracts. Alan McSwain Original Message: - From: Terence Haddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:02:56 + To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: New to the message board and have a couple questions... Hi, There was some discussion about this in this thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-February/003045.html This phone is an unblocked quad-band phone, so it can connect to any GSM carrier. The only issue with a pre-paid phone may be recharging the phone if the carrier forces you to use some sort of custom on-screen interface to recharge it. It would be good to get reports of any problematic carriers after the initial phone is shipped! Good luck! - Terry Michael Sersen wrote: Hello all! I'm wondering about service in the US. Can I connect this phone to any carrier? Can I use the phone as a pre-pay? Thanks, Mike ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko and pre-paid cards
I'm going to chime in here again on this: Here in the US, getting pre-paid voice service via a T-Mobile sim is no problem exactly as Mary illustrates. The problem is getting pre-paid GPRS access to anywhere on the net OUTSIDE of T-Mobile's silly T-Zones walled garden. ~90% of the amazing applications that will be written for the OpenMoko/Neo platform will involve pulling and pushing data to and from your handset via GPRS. T-Mobile or Sprint(??) must be induced to offer a prepaid GPRS service if the OpenMoko/Neo platform is to be as fully successful as possible. If this prepaid GPRS access fails to materialize, has anyone done any work on creating a working cellular voice modem that could communicate via a personal dialup gateway at home? Alan McSwain Original Message: - From: Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:50:44 -0700 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: openmoko and pre-paid cards Mary Stovel writes: Cingular C139.) I asked at the Cingular store and the T-Mobile store... that if I brought in my own unlocked phone, could I get a SIM card without buying their phone... they said yes. I asked if that applied to the prepaid plans and they said yes. My experience here was almost the same as yours -- the difference being that all the plans I saw had a bottom-end phone that they'd give you for free (in quotes since the plan subsidizes the phone). They told me I couldn't get an additional discount for not taking any phone at all. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:T-Mobile finagling advice?
Mary... I've been looking into this issue in a related way. One of the biggest opportunities for the Neo will be writing mobile oriented data retreval and sync applications using gps/GPRS. For example, imagine an application that uses GPS location information to determine your car's proximity to your favorite grocery store on your way home. When you get to within 5 miles of the store, your Neo uses the GPRS to access a personal website page where your spouse keeps a grocery list. If there are any items on the list, the application downloads the and alerts you via your bluetooth earbud. Unfortunatly, It looks to me like T-Mobile is currently not interested in letting its pre-paid customers use GPRS to go anywhere outside their Silly T-Zones walled garden. If anyone has any insight into T-Mobile's awareness of the Neo and if they realize that they have a terrific opportunity ahead to network enable this amazing phone, I'd sure like to hear about it. Yes, and I'm one of those people that believe that Contracts are for Suckers! Alan McSwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:03:00 + To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re:T-Mobile finagling advice? I have T-mobile prepaid, but went into Cingular yesterday to get my 'free phone', which I use on their prepaid plan. T-mobile's prepaid is better, by the way. I am in US. Cingular/ATT's TDMA service is being discontinued end of march in this area. Cingular wants us to switch to GSM. The 'free phone' with rebate offered as bait to TDMA customers. The free phone is a Motorola. I do have a Nokia with my T-Mobile that can be unlocked. I plan to unlock my Nokia and try the Cingular SIM in it. I now have a SIM for both Cingular and T-Mobile...ready to try in the Neo. If I brought in an unlocked phone, I was told by the Cingular rep., that I could get the SIM without having to purchase a phone, but that only the calling function would work on the unlocked phone...none of their other functions. Not really sure what that means other that I could only call out and receive call in. I am guessing that with the open Neo, it would not matter...Right? Mary ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web LIVE Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:T-Mobile finagling advice?
Mary... I've been looking into this issue in a related way. One of the biggest opportunities for the Neo will be writing mobile oriented data retreval and sync applications using gps/GPRS. For example, imagine an application that uses GPS location information to determine your car's proximity to your favorite grocery store on your way home. When you get to within 5 miles of the store, your Neo uses the GPRS to access a personal website page where your spouse keeps a grocery list. If there are any items on the list, the application downloads the and alerts you via your bluetooth earbud. Unfortunatly, It looks to me like T-Mobile is currently not interested in letting its pre-paid customers use GPRS to go anywhere outside their Silly T-Zones walled garden. If anyone has any insight into T-Mobile's awareness of the Neo and if they realize that they have a terrific opportunity ahead to network enable this amazing phone, I'd sure like to hear about it. Yes, and I'm one of those people that believe that Contracts are for Suckers! Alan McSwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:03:00 + To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re:T-Mobile finagling advice? I have T-mobile prepaid, but went into Cingular yesterday to get my 'free phone', which I use on their prepaid plan. T-mobile's prepaid is better, by the way. I am in US. Cingular/ATT's TDMA service is being discontinued end of march in this area. Cingular wants us to switch to GSM. The 'free phone' with rebate offered as bait to TDMA customers. The free phone is a Motorola. I do have a Nokia with my T-Mobile that can be unlocked. I plan to unlock my Nokia and try the Cingular SIM in it. I now have a SIM for both Cingular and T-Mobile...ready to try in the Neo. If I brought in an unlocked phone, I was told by the Cingular rep., that I could get the SIM without having to purchase a phone, but that only the calling function would work on the unlocked phone...none of their other functions. Not really sure what that means other that I could only call out and receive call in. I am guessing that with the open Neo, it would not matter...Right? Mary ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:T-Mobile finagling advice?
Mary... I've been looking into this issue in a related way. One of the biggest opportunities for the Neo will be writing mobile oriented data retreval and sync applications using gps/GPRS. For example, imagine an application that uses GPS location information to determine your car's proximity to your favorite grocery store on your way home. When you get to within 5 miles of the store, your Neo uses the GPRS to access a personal website page where your spouse keeps a grocery list. If there are any items on the list, the application downloads the and alerts you via your bluetooth earbud. Unfortunatly, It looks to me like T-Mobile is currently not interested in letting its pre-paid customers use GPRS to go anywhere outside their Silly T-Zones walled garden. If anyone has any insight into T-Mobile's awareness of the Neo and if they realize that they have a terrific opportunity ahead to network enable this amazing phone, I'd sure like to hear about it. Yes, and I'm one of those people that believe that Contracts are for Suckers! Alan McSwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 23:03:00 + To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re:T-Mobile finagling advice? I have T-mobile prepaid, but went into Cingular yesterday to get my 'free phone', which I use on their prepaid plan. T-mobile's prepaid is better, by the way. I am in US. Cingular/ATT's TDMA service is being discontinued end of march in this area. Cingular wants us to switch to GSM. The 'free phone' with rebate offered as bait to TDMA customers. The free phone is a Motorola. I do have a Nokia with my T-Mobile that can be unlocked. I plan to unlock my Nokia and try the Cingular SIM in it. I now have a SIM for both Cingular and T-Mobile...ready to try in the Neo. If I brought in an unlocked phone, I was told by the Cingular rep., that I could get the SIM without having to purchase a phone, but that only the calling function would work on the unlocked phone...none of their other functions. Not really sure what that means other that I could only call out and receive call in. I am guessing that with the open Neo, it would not matter...Right? Mary ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community mail2web LIVE Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Adding an overview page to openmoko.{com,org}
Hello Sean, I think that putting the information on the website would be quite useful and prevent questions from being repeated. Also, it will allow the discussions to continue onto other topics such as development since we will know what actual hardware/software will be available on the Neo1973, thus the activity on the mailinglist should not slow down, but simply move forward. :-) Thanks. __ Donnie Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 11/15/06 10:15 PM, Koen Kooi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a continuous stream of questions flooding this mailinglist, so isn't it time to add an overview page to the openmoko site(s)? We'll put something up very soon. Thanks for the feedback. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community
