Re: [debian][neo1973] Forwarding GSM port to PC
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer pisze: You can use the nc/pty combination for that as described in http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2007/10/28/qpe-430-plus-qemu/ Note though that due to some weird bug this doesn't work for multiplexing mode :/ I took a solution mentioned in this article and worked perfectly for my Neo 1973. killall gsmd nc -l -p 5000 /dev/ttySAC0 /dev/ttySAC0 Only conditions is that you have to use Openmoko distro. I'm using latest Debian distro and I have old OM lying on Flash. Under Debian my modem hangs after manually connecting via cu from Phone, so the hack above doesn't work. I suppose the problem is connected with multiplexing bug that Mickey mentioned, as multiplexing in Debian is enabled . So I used OM and it worked well. I can call my Neo's GSM modem from any network machine. Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Lead Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian][neo1973] Forwarding GSM port to PC
Timo Juhani Lindfors pisze: (...) would at least give you gsm.pipe that allows you to read and write to GSM. If you really need a tty with all the odd ioctls then it's bit more challenging and you probably want to use Thank you Juhani and Clemens (from other post) for response. I'll try to play with it. As I'm using Debian with OpenmokoFramework, I've found *gsm0710muxd* http://www.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Implementations/gsm0710muxd than can be accessed throught DBus which can be accessible from local network, not only from localhost. And that can be a solution too if I could really access GSM modem throught it. Anybody used *gsm0710muxd*? Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Lead Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[debian][neo1973] Forwarding GSM port to PC
Greetings, I want to write small app on my PC using neo1973's GSM modem. I'd like to somehow forward /dev/ttySAC0 and have serial device in my Linux' /dev and connect to it as to ordinary serial port. I have debian installed so I have an access to plenty of packages. Any ideas? Thank you in advance. Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Lead Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: do not need _any_ interface features
Hi. Michael Kremliovsky pisze: If I do not want to have any UI and I do not need voice, can I reliably send data with a reasonable speed? If so, what are the benchmark speeds? You mean sendig data via GPRS? Throwing away GUI and other CPU consuming services won't help in this case as neo is 2G phone with GPRS data channel. All limits are caused by GPRS technology limitations. According to WIKI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPRS you can have maximum throughput 60 kbps download and 40 kbps upload. It depends on your SIM rating plan. Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 (was Re: home zone functionality)
Many of those type of AT commands are gsm-modem specific. Many of them are far from AT standard and are implemented only in modems of that manufacturer. Google for M35 modem specification in PDF and then for such command in offical AT commands set. Kiro Zimmer pisze: According to [1] the AT-command AT+CRSM=176,28512,0,0,123 should list the stored (and encoded) homezone values. This works on my very old Siemens M35 but not on any newer phone I have tried, even when the same SIM was used. So this AT-command seems to be phone specific. Does anybody know how this command is implemented on other phones? Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: VoIP+IAX Program Theory for OM
Hi Kyle. Kyle Bassett pisze: specified time. If the user does not answer or a connection problem persisted, then the asterisk server can forward the call to the user's regular (OM or third party) cell line. --User can give one phone number to all contacts and have asterisk decide how to handle the call (routing not just to the cell phones, but to home lines, etc.) The problem with forwarding call to land/cell line is that I as an owner of OM phone will pay for connection between asterisk and cell/land line operator because AFAIK no operator would handle incoming connection for free (at least in Poland). We have many SIP operators so it could be done but always I should pay for routing packets to my home/cell number. It's like paying for incomming connections while abroad and in roaming. Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: To everybody! Brenda -Full time editor on board
Brenda Wang pisze: Hello everybody: Hello Brenda! Best wishes to you. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth networking
Phani Kumar Kancharala pisze: I followed the steps given in wiki and I could able to scan the bluethooth devices and connect to the servers using pand -c MAC. But I couldn't see any bluetooth interface like bnep0 on phone. Can anyone help me to get ride of this. I am using 2.6.22.5 http://2.6.22.5 kernel with Qtopia image. I'm using the same kernel, but with Openmoko. I don't know if you have all modules with Qtopia. Yesterday I finally managed to connect my PC with Neo. I wish you luck. Maybe try with Openmoko with the same kernel. Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA01 Gllin ipkg
Mike Montour pisze: Dan Staley wrote: I recently got my GTA01 and am trying to get the gllin ipkg from http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/ . However, everytime I download it, it says it is corrupted. Some people had similar problems in the past - they would download a copy of the EULA rather than the package itself. You might try it with a different browser, and make sure that it's passing the Referer: header correctly. The above URL works for me. Same here, when I installed it for the first time. Open the link in ordinary web browser, then scp it to the phone. Don't try to pass this url directly to IPKG. Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GutenFlash
Hi Gilles, Gilles Casse pisze: GutenFlash is a RSVP text reader: for example, it displays a text one word at a time in large font on the screen. Any chances to implement speech syntethiser to read the text? I think there's a one on OpenEmbedded. Any ideas? Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone's reading bugzilla?
Krzysztof Kajkowski pisze: Recently I started to test newest OM snapshots and fill in new bugs in bugzilla. But I'm wonder if this is neccesary or needed? I filled some IMHO severe bugs (contact list is not working, dialer is not working - #1120, #1121, #1122) but there's no answer. Does it mean you already know about these bugs and are already fixing them or have no time to looks at them? Do you want us to test your software? Sounds like a chaos after first days from opening the OM shop. Nobody controlls this. Regards. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
Hello. Ilja O. pisze: It was already said that two SIMs working simultaneously would require two trancievers. This is obviously is not a case of GTA02. Planning feature list for GTA(03|04) is quite a waste of time until GTA02 will be released. AFAIK gsm modem is about 1/3 of phone production costs. IMHO basic neo would never have two modems as it's still very rare to use dual-sim and it would generate unwanted neo's price rise. Regards. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
Hi. kkr pisze: dual-SIM slot in their products. And both SIMs are active at the same time! It requires two GSM modems inside Neo. That closes this issue. Regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
Hello. Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller pisze: dual-SIM slot in their products. And both SIMs are active at the same time! It requires two GSM modems inside Neo. That closes this issue. Here is a description what dual SIM means and why: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_SIM I knew that and this is an excerpt from article you metioned: Normal GSM phones contain a single transceiver http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transceiver; dual-SIM phones must have dual transceivers, and according to what kkr wrote dual-SIM slot in their products. And both SIMs are active at the same time! I suspend what I wrote - if both SIMs should be active at the same time (above) it reqiures two modems (aka transceivers)... Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
Bartlomiej Zdanowski [Zdanek] pisze: I suspend what I wrote - if both SIMs should be active at the same time (above) it reqiures two modems (aka transceivers)... I meant I affirm what I wrote - sorry, spelling mistake. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: YAMA - Map Application intended for OpenMoko
Hello András. Schmidt András pisze: I am developing a GPL map viewing application. Project home page is: http://yamamap.wiki.sourceforge.net/ It has three main versions: * Java-Swing for desktop * C#-Windows.Forms for .Net CF, Windows desktop and Linux desktop * C#-GTK# for OpenMoko (and Linux desktop) I'd be happy to test it on Neo/OM. Sadly no AFAIK no support for Java and C# yet. Is somebody planning to let out Java on OpenMoko? Best regards. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Harald LaF0rge Welte: Leaving OpenMoko...
Sad news. It is bad news for OM Community but personally I understand move like this. Best regards for Harald. http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/11/16/#20071116-leaving_openmoko Best regards. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
When will usb host driver be available in OM kernel?
Hello. As far as I know there's no USB host driver in OM kernel, so even if external USB device is self powered or power connector is attached there's no chance to connect anything to Neo. When will it be available? You could provide it with other two drivers - mouse and keyboard, and that would be awesome. Other drivers would come next by porting some of them from other linux distros especially for devices such as memory sticks or web-cameras. What do you think about that? Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AW: How to enable USB-host mode
I mean to turn USB host on while openmoko running. I want to connect some usb external devices not to flash it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] pisze: - turn GTA01 off - press left side top button FIRST (i guess the touch screen is in front fo you) - press (while you still press the left side top button) the on/off button Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
How to enable USB-host mode
Hello. I've made my 3-direction USB cable with +5v power but I need some tips how to enable USB host mode in Openmoko. Please help. Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS accuracy
Sven Klomp pisze: On Friday 21 September 2007 21:43:45 Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: 2007/9/21, Sven Klomp [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Hi! Check out picture in this article: http://www.openmoko.org.pl/node/41 I had my Neo on the buttom of my back pack while riding a bike. Accuracy was up to about 2m. It was realy good. This sounds (and looks) very promising. I added Geocaching as possible application to the Wiki. BTW: Nice blog with interesting (and for me some new) details. But unfortunately in Polish :-) The latest articles are bilingual or if they don't they are surely directed to Polish OM Community. Openmoko.org.pl co-director :-) Best regards. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gsmd: need hints for troubleshooting
Hello. Zak pisze: Hi, tried using the openmoko-dialer in vain. The /tmp/gsm.log file contains the lines attached to the end of this email. I also find that the applet of top menu disappears whenever I power on the GSM module using the pull-down menu. This is known bug. Add /etc/init.d/gsmd restart to /etc/matchbox/session just before dialer line. It should work now. Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is neo1973 dual boot possible?
Ortwin Regel pisze: Seems like it should, with the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD . Could someone prepare binaries ready for putting onto my SD card? And is there a program that can format cards with different filesystems from Windows? Yes it is - Openmoko with neo. Look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Ipkg -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is neo1973 dual boot possible?
My idea is to have one OS on flash memory and second on SD card. Anybody knows if it would work? Regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Screen shots of Qtopia on Neo and some thoughts
Jeremy G pisze: I would be so disappointed if the OpenMoko devs gave up. Don't get me That would be horrible :-/ I think Qtopia is finally and fully open to gain some new developers from our community. Because of it maturity I suppose some of Openmoko developers would be interested in having it and developing it. So Qtopia gained another developing plaform - Neo. Don't give up guys, OM needs you! :-) -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo 1973 certification in Russia (Rostest)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] pisze: Corean company FIC releases Neo 1973 smartphone: Sorry - FIC is from Taiwan. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Short guide how to run gllin with chroot
Hello. Ken Yale pisze: Hello, I sent a GLLIN rebuilt for the 2007.2 toolchain to Mickey, and I believe he is testing it. To run it, you'll need a named pipe /tmp/nmeaNP unless you specifically disable named pipes with the -np option. I believe Sean and Broadcom legal folks are straightening out the SLA/EULA for the GLLIN and OMGUI. About these exceptions: 1) src/hal_linux_tt.c:1043: glcb_ExceptionAssert: This is from a very old version of the GLLIN, and won't happen in the 2007.2 build. Will it be available to OpemMoko developers at least as a binary executable? In earlier GLLINs, this might have been one of the low-level tests or training sequences with slighty different wording, and your GLLIN operation instructions might have performed this step each time you start the GLLIN as a safety measure. This means that you'll always have a cold start, so it is not encouraged for good GPS performance. Will -recover option solve this problem or do I need newer version of gllin? Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Making GPRS/pppd connection.
I managed to connect and it's very nice and stable. All with help of SettingsGUI by Kriss. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Short guide how to run gllin with chroot
Hello. Shawn Rutledge pisze: Thanks, it's a convenient package. But I'm getting an error from gllin: test_cmd_receive_count = 22 gllin: early exit(3) in halInit()/674 gllin: -periodic[9] 1 gllin: ../../../src/hal_linux_tt.c:1043: glcb_ExceptionAssert: Assertion `0' failed. I've updated my article. What happens with gllin I can't excuse but gllin is still working. Just invoke tail -f /home/root/gps.txt and you'll see new data incoming. This is the proof that gllin still works. If you don't see new data there's a problem. First of all update you Openmoko to latest release (especially to 2007.2 if you still have 2007.1). Check if it helps. Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
iPhone SIMlock broken :)
Some guys broke iPhone's SIMlock. http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/24/iphone-unlocked-atandt-loses-iphone-exclusivity-august-24-2007/ Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: System developers ask for project
Hello. I have an idea about program that reads GPS data and draws local path/map while you walk. It could be very useful while walking in unknown terrain, city or big building complex. When you would like return to starting point it could show a azimuth with an arrow. It also could show distance to starting point. Another idea is to add checkpoints on path with small description and ability to show azimuth on that points. Last idea is to add voice commands (directions and distance) to inform blind user how to return to starting point. What do you think? I think it's quite simple to do in 4 months. It could be very useful for ordinary users and for blind persons. Best regards Vittoria Cozza pisze: Hi, I'm Vittoria Cozza, a second year computer science PHD student in University of Bari italy. here we have a group of student (2 right now) intending to become openmoko System Developer http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/System_Developer. University website is http://www.di.uniba.it/dib/ing/index.htm We have no clear so far which part of the system to work on. Can you please suggest a project that 2 medium level linux skilled developers can realize in around 4 months? We had a look at the wishes list but still we have not a clear idea about which functionality can be more suitable and interesting and important to realize and that matches with our team skills. Wait for your suggestions, thanks in advances. Best regards Vittoria et Al. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: System developers ask for project
Hello. I have an idea about program that reads GPS data and draws local path/map while you walk. It could be very useful while walking in unknown terrain, city or big building complex. When you would like return to starting point it could show a azimuth with an arrow. It also could show distance to starting point. Another idea is to add checkpoints on path with small description and ability to show azimuth on that points. Last idea is to add voice commands (directions and distance) to inform blind user how to return to starting point. What do you think? I think it's quite simple to do in 4 months. It could be very useful for ordinary users and for blind persons. Best regards Vittoria Cozza pisze: Hi, I'm Vittoria Cozza, a second year computer science PHD student in University of Bari italy. here we have a group of student (2 right now) intending to become openmoko System Developer http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/System_Developer. University website is http://www.di.uniba.it/dib/ing/index.htm We have no clear so far which part of the system to work on. Can you please suggest a project that 2 medium level linux skilled developers can realize in around 4 months? We had a look at the wishes list but still we have not a clear idea about which functionality can be more suitable and interesting and important to realize and that matches with our team skills. Wait for your suggestions, thanks in advances. Best regards Vittoria et Al. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: System developers ask for project
Hello. I have an idea about program that reads GPS data and draws local path/map while you walk. It could be very useful while walking in unknown terrain, city or big building complex. When you would like return to starting point it could show a azimuth with an arrow. It also could show distance to starting point. Another idea is to add checkpoints on path with small description and ability to show azimuth on that points. Last idea is to add voice commands (directions and distance) to inform blind user how to return to starting point. What do you think? I think it's quite simple to do in 4 months. It could be very useful for ordinary users and for blind persons. Best regards Vittoria Cozza pisze: Hi, I'm Vittoria Cozza, a second year computer science PHD student in University of Bari italy. here we have a group of student (2 right now) intending to become openmoko System Developer http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/System_Developer. University website is http://www.di.uniba.it/dib/ing/index.htm We have no clear so far which part of the system to work on. Can you please suggest a project that 2 medium level linux skilled developers can realize in around 4 months? We had a look at the wishes list but still we have not a clear idea about which functionality can be more suitable and interesting and important to realize and that matches with our team skills. Wait for your suggestions, thanks in advances. Best regards Vittoria et Al. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: System developers ask for project
Hello. I have an idea about program that reads GPS data and draws local path/map while you walk. It could be very useful while walking in unknown terrain, city or big building complex. When you would like return to starting point it could show a azimuth with an arrow. It also could show distance to starting point. Another idea is to add checkpoints on path with small description and ability to show azimuth on that points. Last idea is to add voice commands (directions and distance) to inform blind user how to return to starting point. What do you think? I think it's quite simple to do in 4 months. It could be very useful for ordinary users and for blind persons. Best regards Vittoria Cozza pisze: Hi, I'm Vittoria Cozza, a second year computer science PHD student in University of Bari italy. here we have a group of student (2 right now) intending to become openmoko System Developer http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/System_Developer. University website is http://www.di.uniba.it/dib/ing/index.htm We have no clear so far which part of the system to work on. Can you please suggest a project that 2 medium level linux skilled developers can realize in around 4 months? We had a look at the wishes list but still we have not a clear idea about which functionality can be more suitable and interesting and important to realize and that matches with our team skills. Wait for your suggestions, thanks in advances. Best regards Vittoria et Al. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Making GPRS/pppd connection.
Hello. Henry, what OM major version do you have? 2007.1 or 2007.2? Maybe you know your build number? I did some upgrade from openmoko repository and there are some differences in connecting progress (more AT commands passes) but still I have [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 asyncmap 0x0 magic 0x309ee493 pcomp accomp] tcsetattr: Invalid argument (line 964) Henry Law pisze: You should see some AT command in both file. May be try add the debug option for pppd and search for AT in /var/log/message There are AT commands which I wrote to connection sripts but no clue there. Somebody has any idea? -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: where did the build site go?
Sorry, it should go on device-owners list. Bartlomiej Zdanowski pisze: Hi Michael Lauer pisze: This is correct. There were some BitBake / OE changes that required doing a full rebuild. I expect the feed to be up again within the next 12 hours or so. You're right! It's up. http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/ -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Making GPRS/pppd connection.
I lost my hope... Thank you for response. Henry Law pisze: My neo can use GPRS. But need to stop gsmd first. I put all the AT command in to chatscript and try pon gprs. ppp0 appear after a while. I am using PEOPLES in HongKong and the SIM card does not have a PIN. Could you send me your scripts? Did you see any AT command log in /tmp/gsmd.log or /var/log/message? I didn't search there. What should I search for? Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: where did the build site go?
Hi Michael Lauer pisze: This is correct. There were some BitBake / OE changes that required doing a full rebuild. I expect the feed to be up again within the next 12 hours or so. You're right! It's up. http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/ -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Making GPRS/pppd connection.
Hi Community. Did anyone make successful GPRS connection according to the wiki? I got some errors after a few first AT commands. Enabling debug with pppd debug call gprs pppd shows series of lines [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 asyncmap 0x0 magic 0x309ee493 pcomp accomp] and then tcsetattr: Invalid argument (line 964) pppd hangups and no connections is made. I tried to stop gsmd, restart gsmd, kill dialer and other software which might be disturbing gsm but no success. I have a card with pin checking but I added AT+CPIN? AT+CPIN=mypin and it works elsewhere correcly. Minor information is that I'm using Orange PL (polish) sim card. I didn't try other cards. Does anybody know how to run this machinery? Please help. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 287629 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gpsd and AGPS
Alexey Feldgendler pisze: On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 10:19:19 +0200, Ken Yale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I notice you mention GTA01 only - is there any significance in this? Unfortunately, GTA02 does not have a Broadcom GPS device inside. Am I getting it right that while GTA01 used to contain a GPS receiver, GTA02 doesn't have one? Has. Different manufacurer. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard S.A. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 029534 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WiFi vs. speaker
Hi. Giles, your criticism is constructive and good so it leads to better device development. But there are some points that I don't agree. Giles Jones pisze: Port layout seemingly done at random, poor layout. USB/power connector better at bottom of device. No chance since there are antennas on both sides of device. Battery removal could be easier. I don't have such problem. Everytime I remove back cover (with pain in my figers :( and that's the real problem) the battery almost pops out by it's own will... Maybe we have slightly different phones. Memory card under the SIM card (why? there's seemingly loads of space). If there would be USB2 there will be no need to remove SD card much often. But still SD will be removed more often that SIM card, so maybe it should be somewhere else. Some phones had a SIM card slot directly in case like laptops have SD slots (if they have). Maybe Neo can have SD slot at the side of case. 2.5mm audio jack (use 3.5mm like Nokia N95 to get mp3 marketshare) True, but remember about microphone and fourth pin in phones' jack. Power button location (location towards top is better, mine's also a bit sticky/spongey). It doesn't bother me much but it's hard to push. We bought also white-orange Neo and my colleagues have used pen (sic!) to push it and there are some blue marks on button because of this. Aux button looks like IR port (does it have any use outside of the bootloader?) The same thought about black Neos but white one have this button white also so it's not confusing. GSM antenna is at bottom of phone, should be at top of phone. At the top there is a GPS antenna which *SHOULD* be there and that because GSM went on bottom. Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 029534 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB Booting from a neo in mass storage mode ?
Ian Stirling pisze: In principle - trivial. In practice - the kernel driver to switch from USB device to host mode isn't yet implemented - it's relatively trivial - but hasn't been done yet. Also currenty not available without external hardware because USB port is not powered. Pendrive would remain dead. It's possible with debug board (v2 at least) because it has powered USB ports. But still not possible because of what Ian wrote. Regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Place of registration: Regional Court for the Capital City of Warsaw Registration no.: 029534 Share capital: 1 059 000 PLN Polish VAT and tax ID no.: PL1132219747 Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMoko trademark issues...
Hi. Jae Stutzman pisze: OpenMoko.Inc needs to have a clear trademark policy on the name OpenMoko and associated logo, etc. Right now the maemo people are going through some stuff do to recent changes. This is something that Sean and co need to figure out. If it is already figgured out then it should be posted somewhere on the wiki...a quick search for trademark reveals nothing. Yes, at Polish OpenMoko community page we have slightly repainted logo just to point our Polish roots ;) So I'm curious if we didn't breake the law doing this. The logo can be seen at *http://www.openmoko.org.pl/openmoko_org_pl_logo.png *Best regards for all Community members! -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I got charged ;) -me too!
Martin Straub pisze: Kyle Bassett schrieb: #2081, and I am in total suspense! Kyle ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community C'mon I am #3560 and 54 years old. Will I live to receive it ? I' afraid my last words will be: Did it arrive ? No ? Aargh. (dies). ;-) ? Martin LOL! Great sense of humour - RESPECT! :-D I have 3530, so we're very near :) Let's keep in touch. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Significant Numbers of Non-Developers?
Hi. ramsesoriginal pisze: On 7/20/07, *Jeff Rush* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been reading the archives of the various OpenMoko lists and I've noticed a significant number of people who admit they are not programmers at all, or that this is their first exposure to Linux. But it's a wonderful thing that a lot of people are curious what is going on. I'm sure that a few of the would become a real programmers. I'm curious what a non-programmer is going to do with this device in the next few months. And if your first use of Linux is on the device itself, and you run Windows on your desktop, how you're going to grow your Linux skills and effectively develop applications. Just seems odd to me, but maybe I'm overlooking something. ;-) Thet will be very good beta testers. And about that linux, always should be the first time. But linux has its own magnetism. Jeff, I think that some of them will install linux distro on their PC and a new linux adventure will happen for them. In some points i agree, but i think as an application developer you should not have to look into the code of gsmd, or whatever. As an application programmaer, i (usually) expect some sort of interface wich i can use, and wich is documented. Because if every application diggs deap in some sort of demons/driver/whatever, and some piece of code changes, then we're all fucked up (sorry for the expression). I do agree with you. The code should be modular and there should be no need to look inside of it if someone only uses services provided by some daemon. Only interface/api should be known. Ofcourse it needs a good documentation but it's the part of libraries developers. All non-developers - keep tracking the OpenMoko!!! :-) Greetings to all. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First impressions of Neo1973
Piotr Duda napisał(a): models) use the reject-on-left and answer-on-right style. Maybe Im mistaken but I always tought that all others just do the oposite? Have no idea where did it come from, considering that first mobile phones was made in Motorola as I believe, and others perhaps should follow. But since the most The problem is same as slash and backslash or little endian and big endian. People just love incompatibility... Regards. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Facebook OpenMoko Group [SPAM]
Consider this as a spam because access requires account on facebook. Chris Fazekas napisa?(a): Hey everyone, I just got on with facebook (http://www.facebook.com) and I created an OpenMoko group (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2336942465) for fun and excitement. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Facebook OpenMoko Group [SPAM]
Steven ** napisał(a): Except a lot of us already have accounts on Facebook. I and several others joined the group. And now, every one of my friends will see that I joined this grouped called OpenMoko and be curious as to what it is. Aka free publicity. Sorry, I didn't know. I've found many spammers to try to advertise their product in very intelligent ways. I thought it was a try to focus our attention on this web site. Best regards. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Voice synthesizer for blind and visual impaired person
Hi. I thought about voice synthesizer software to build in OpenMoko for blind person. I know some blind people and currently they can only use Nokia with Symbian and proper software. Does anyone have any experience with voice synthesizer soft and can provide some info whether it can be implemented on OpenMoko platform? There's so much to do for blind person and we can do it together so think guys and please provide some solutions and thoughts. Best regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voice synthesizer for blind and visual impaired person
Arthur Marsh napisał(a): A large, high contrast display would help many vision impaired people, and a well-thought out spoken menu system with speech synthesis would help many low vision and completely blind people. The FIC 1973 does have the drawback of there being no tactile feedback for input via the screen. Does the hardware support the touch screen working if it were covered with a clear plastic screen with a raised grid pattern on it? Right I forgot about tactile display but plastic keys should be great. I think it should work because all PDA point-sticks work great. Touch-keys don't have to be clear... because blind person don't care about it, remember. Regards -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Development Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Wake me during light sleep
Hi. Ole Tange napisa?(a): If you are woken during periods of light sleep then you will feel more rested than if you are woken during deep sleep. To reliably identify when you are sleeping lightly we will need EEG. In a real life scenario that is not possible and it may be OK if the identification is not completely reliable. If we assume that you are more noisy (e.g. turning in you sleep) then we can use the noise level as indicator. I like the idea very much. I though about it a week ago! :-) You must know (and probably do about REM) the thing is, that the cycle with deep and shallow sleep takes about 1,5h. Optimal solution is to sleep during multiplies of 1,5h then you will wake up during shallow sleep and be more rested. My idea was to observe (by sounds and/or vision) sleeping person to guess when he/she fallen asleep. Then the 1,5h counter begins. Idea with ranges is awesome. Regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS - protocol specs?
Hello. Nils Faerber napisał(a): There is all sorts of wacky stuff - for example, peer-peer DGPS that can be done, where all stationary neos on charge with a GPS signal and a free internet connection contribute to a global ionospheric model. Then any Neo can connect to this model, download 200 bytes or so, and get +-0.3m (or better) position for a short while. Exactly. Also relative positioning can be made much more precise using the raw data (AFAIK in the range of cm not m). I asked my colleagues who are GPS devices specialists and they said that this is all wrong. Military devices can do magic but civil not. They said that with civil GPS receiver you can get accuracy up to about 5 - 10 meters. For such precision it is required to be seen at least 8 satellites, a clear sky and good magnetic and ionosphere conditions (also solar magnetic field's change is important). To get *any* GPS reading device must see 3 satellites but you cannot be sure the position. It can vary even up to hundreds of meters! Of course you can get very accurate reading but device must see many satellites and stand up still for many hours! Then the mean value is computed and can be assumed that GPS position reading is accurate to centimeters... You cannot depend on GPS reading to count quite accurate velocity, acceleration and accurate position. Sorry. Regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS - protocol specs?
Al Johnson napisał(a): On Friday 09 March 2007 08:58, Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: You cannot depend on GPS reading to count quite accurate velocity, acceleration and accurate position. Sorry. Conventionally this is true, but there are other ways. IIRC RaceLogic use the doppler shift of the GPS signal for speed and acceleration calculations. These can also be used to improve the accuracy of the location. I think they claim it's good enough to compare the line taken by the driver on successive laps of the race circuit. Yes, my GPS-wise colleagues said that measuring difference between two sequential readings it can be possible to compute acceleration because reading error is quite same in both readings. So while global position is not accurate, difference is accurate. Another problem is reading delay so you have not current data (velocity) but data delayed with reading period's time. It's not a problem since human don't travel fast on foot. It can be while trying to compute acceleration of a vehicle - it changes very fast. Regards -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS - protocol specs?
Ian Stirling napisał(a): Bartlomiej Zdanowski AutoGuard Ltd. wrote: Hello. Nils Faerber napisał(a): There is all sorts of wacky stuff - for example, peer-peer DGPS that can be done, where all stationary neos on charge with a GPS signal and a free internet connection contribute to a global ionospheric model. Then any Neo can connect to this model, download 200 bytes or so, and get +-0.3m (or better) position for a short while. Exactly. Also relative positioning can be made much more precise using the raw data (AFAIK in the range of cm not m). I asked my colleagues who are GPS devices specialists and they said that this is all wrong. Military devices can do magic but civil not. They said that with civil GPS receiver you can get accuracy up to about 5 - 10 meters. For such precision it is required to be seen at least 8 satellites, a clear sky and good magnetic and ionosphere conditions (also solar magnetic field's change is important). It's a little more complex than that, and not quite as bad. http://www.mauve.demon.co.uk/gps-average.gif is some data I took a few years back with a garmin GPS12. The circles show radiuses inside which the stated number of points fall, in a 10 second average. For example, 99.99% of points fall within 13.8m. 10s averages are red dots, green 100 second, magenta circles 1 hour, cyan squares 6 hours, and black 24h. Try it while walking on streets between buildings :( Another problem can be when we put Neo out of pocket. I don't know if it's GPC received would need some extra time to compute pos. If a number of factors in the hardware all come together (that details are not public on) position under 10cm may be possible after downloading the few hundred bytes of correction information. (It may be possible to optimise this down a lot) So *military* devices does it. But not civil. -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: [openmoko-announce] OpenMoko Phase 0 has started
Sergi Blanch i Torné napisa?(a): I a nosaltres no ens arribarà? encara? Amigo, inglés del uso, por favor. Respeto -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Possible security hole for Dialers/troyan horses
Hello. While thinking of antythieft protection we came to some ideas about sending smses with stolen phone GPS coords. There were some ideas about silent voice calls with message that the phone is stolen. (for details see thread Itch3: Anti-lost/theft protection). But at this point we came to a serious problem of open phones. Sooner or later someone will write a Troyan Horse or some king of dialer (like for PC) looking like a solitaire or sth. When you will be enjoying free game it will send a bunch of smses for paid numbers or make expensive calls. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Bigger than phone theft. That's why commercial phone manufacturers don't allow to access all the phone for java apps. To disallow hidden calls and smses. I suppose that access to calling, smses and gprs data cannot be disabled but at least we can add menu entry with summaries and statistics which application made calls and sent smses. Openmoko kernel should log any transmissions with it's length and cost (if such data is available). What do you think? -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Thunderbird - Reply to Mail List
Hi. Jonathon Suggs napisa?(a): I feel really stupid asking this, but I am having troubles using Thunderbird. I receive the list in digest mode. For each digest, it will show up as a single messages in my inbox. Also for each digest it will have I was thinking this should be a very easy thing to do (and other mail clients make this easy), but I am pretty much stumped. Any thoughts? Go to mailing list settings https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community and disable digest mode. Regards, -- *Bartlomiej Zdanowski* Programmer Product Research Department AutoGuard Insurance Ltd. Omulewska 27 street 04-128 Warsaw Poland phone +48 22 611 69 23 www.autoguard.pl http://www.autoguard.pl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
