Free gta02
People, I have not been using this for a while - happy to give it to a more useful home if someone is prepared to pay for postage. Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Free gta02
Nikolaus, On 2014-12-03 06:47, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 02.12.2014 um 20:19 schrieb Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au: People, I have not been using this for a while - happy to give it to a more useful home if someone is prepared to pay for postage. Maybe also something to consider is to give it a new life through a new motherboard: http://download.goldelico.com/default/Presentations/20141129%20OHSW/3%20GTA04A5%20Project%20Status.pdf It would be nice to play around some more but I just don't have the time now . . the first responder was from The Netherlands so I will check out the mailing costs to there first. Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Use of a FreeRunner
Ben, On 2013-12-23 09:26, Ben Wong wrote: I'm sure it could; your FreeRunner is a complete computer. The question is if you have the time (or money to hire someone) to write the glue script that will put all the pieces together. Let's see, the parts you'll need are: 1. Check your mail account (fetchmail or python's imaplib) 2. Do a regex check to see if it's important (egrep/python/perl/awk/...) I can do those bits. 3. Convert it to SMS format 3a. MIME extract (munpack or python's email package) 3b. Optionally remove HTML markup (lynx -dump or Beautiful Soup's get_text() function) and probably those bits - actually now that I think about it - there would always just be a little bit of text (the messages would always be coming from a phone message service) with an appended WAV file so it would have to be MMS rather that SMS . . 4. Send it as an SMS messages (dbus to FSO works but may not be best practices) This is the bit I know nothing about . . Thanks, Phil. —B On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 2:58 AM, Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au wrote: People, I have not used my FreeRunner for ages and probably should donate it someone who can make use of it but a thought occurred to me: It would be good to have something that could act like a SMS server eg I have a demand where if an (urgent) email comes into a particular account, that the contents of the email are able to be resent as an SMS out through a mobile device gateway to a number of phones - could OpenMoko be rejigged to do this somehow? Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Use of a FreeRunner
People, I have not used my FreeRunner for ages and probably should donate it someone who can make use of it but a thought occurred to me: It would be good to have something that could act like a SMS server eg I have a demand where if an (urgent) email comes into a particular account, that the contents of the email are able to be resent as an SMS out through a mobile device gateway to a number of phones - could OpenMoko be rejigged to do this somehow? Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] Openmoko Community Survey 2011 ? Results
People, On 2012-01-17 22:16, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Tuesday, January 17, 2012 a las 11:49:00AM +0100, Christoph Pulster escribió: A lot of people gave up and do not want Openmoko phone anymore. The marketing of Openmoko Inc. failed. It was a short-sighted idee to push the news with first open source mobile / free your phone. It resulted in c. 15000 sold units, which is no success story in the long term. Besides it was never a ready-to-use mobile phone for everyday use. Even some Linux-die-for-geeks closed their drawers to store the Freerunner into it. -1 (note: minus 1) Since I got the FR some years ago, I used it with Om2008.9 and now with SHR as my one and only and daily phone; well, maybe because I'm not a Linux-die-for-geek, but a FreeBSD-die-for-geek :-) I will now buy the GTA04, once I get the offer requested :-) +1-1 I bought the FR as an experiment and didn't use it day-to-day - I played with every new version and was quite interested in the GPS functionality. Sometime later my old phone died and by then QtMoko was nice enough to use as a daily phone but there are still some limitations (battery life, hard to hear in non-quiet situations, GPS app problems etc). I am a Linux geek but a fairly light mobile phone user - I just couldn't justify spending another big chunk of money on something that uses the same case . . My 2c Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v37 for GTA02 - landscape big keyboard
People, On 2011-12-15 01:53, Rafael Ignacio Zurita wrote: Hi, --- On Wed, 12/14/11, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Rafael Ignacio Zurita rizur...@yahoo.com writes: v37 of qtmoko brings a new ultra-alpha keyboard with big keys in landscape mode. So it works like this for sms : What's the name of this program? bigkeyboard or biglandscapekeyboard : https://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/tree/master/src/plugins/inputmethods/biglandscapekeyboard This is good but when the text is bigger than 3 lines - you can't see what you are typing . . Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v37 for GTA04
On 2011-12-05 19:59, Patryk Benderz wrote: Dnia 2011-12-05, pon o godzinie 09:54 +0100, Patryk Benderz pisze: [cut] Are any of GTA02 owners interested in changes since v35, so that i should do this release also for GTA02? Definitely yes! Arghhh! damn Ctrl+Enter! Sent before finished. Just wanted to add: I do not intend to change my board any near future, because of it's relatively high cost, so I would really appreciate your continues work on QtMoko for GTA02. Thanks for your great work! +1 -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTAX
People, Don't we need a larger form factor? Like a 4.5 screen? Has there been any discussion along these lines? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v36 - working?
Thomas, On 2011-10-31 21:01, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: Joif, I used: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-v35.bin dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D qtmoko-debian-v35.ubi dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-v35.udfu I keep all my data on the SD card so it isn't touched by a re-install (I just need to symlink things). Thanks, Phil. QtMoko v36 is NOT flashable. You can only use it (for now) from uSD card. (Unzip it roxx !) Right - when is it likely to be flashable? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v36 - working?
Alishams, How do you do that without using dfu-util exactly? Thanks, Phil. On 2011-11-01 04:32, Alishams Hassam wrote: I have it running from nand fine. I upgraded from v35 using the v36.deb On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote: Thomas, On 2011-10-31 21:01, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: Joif, I used: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-v35.bin dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D qtmoko-debian-v35.ubi dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-v35.udfu I keep all my data on the SD card so it isnt touched by a re-install (I just need to symlink things). Thanks, Phil. QtMoko v36 is NOT flashable. You can only use it (for now) from uSD card. (Unzip it roxx !) Right - when is it likely to be flashable? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au [1] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org [2] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community [3] Links: -- [1] mailto:p...@pricom.com.au [2] mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org [3] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community [4] mailto:p...@pricom.com.au -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v36 - working?
Alishams, On 2011-11-01 08:29, Alishams Hassam wrote: Install qtmoko v35, wget/upload the v36 deb[1] on your FR, on the phone do dpkg -i qtmoko_36-1_armel.deb Thanks! That worked OK but some of the stuff itemised on: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community/60188 does not appear to be there eg NeoControl, qtmoko-chess Regards, Phil. [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/Experimental/qtmoko_36-1_armel.deb/download [11] On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: Alishams, How do you do that without using dfu-util exactly? Thanks, Phil. On 2011-11-01 04:32, Alishams Hassam wrote: I have it running from nand fine. I upgraded from v35 using the v36.deb On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote: Thomas, On 2011-10-31 21:01, Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: Joif, I used: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-v35.bin dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D qtmoko-debian-v35.ubi dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-v35.udfu I keep all my data on the SD card so it isnt touched by a re-install (I just need to symlink things). Thanks, Phil. QtMoko v36 is NOT flashable. You can only use it (for now) from uSD card. (Unzip it roxx !) Right - when is it likely to be flashable? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au [1] [1] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org [2] [2] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community [3] [3] Links: -- [1] mailto:p...@pricom.com.au [4] [2] mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org [5] [3] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community [6] [4] mailto:p...@pricom.com.au [7] -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au [8] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org [9] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community [10] Links: -- [1] mailto:p...@pricom.com.au [2] mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org [3] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community [4] mailto:p...@pricom.com.au [5] mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org [6] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community [7] mailto:p...@pricom.com.au [8] mailto:p...@pricom.com.au [9] mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org [10] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community [11] http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/Experimental/qtmoko_36-1_armel.deb/download [12] mailto:p...@pricom.com.au -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QtMoko v36 - working?
Radek, Is v36 supposed to be working? I can't boot and I just get a blank screen . . Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v36 - working?
Joif, I used: dfu-util -a kernel -R -D uImage-v35.bin dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D qtmoko-debian-v35.ubi dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-v35.udfu I keep all my data on the SD card so it isn't touched by a re-install (I just need to symlink things). Thanks, Phil. On 2011-10-31 02:46, fdvj...@vodafone.it wrote: I'm using it without problem on the uSD. Did you install it on the internal memory? which bootloader? Joif Il 30/10/2011 15:16, Philip Rhoades ha scritto: Radek, Is v36 supposed to be working? I can't boot and I just get a blank screen . . Thanks, Phil. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v36 - working? - correction
That should have been 36 for everything (i had to re-install 35). On 2011-10-31 02:46, fdvj...@vodafone.it wrote: I'm using it without problem on the uSD. Did you install it on the internal memory? which bootloader? Joif Il 30/10/2011 15:16, Philip Rhoades ha scritto: Radek, Is v36 supposed to be working? I can't boot and I just get a blank screen . . Thanks, Phil. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Writing my own Free Plain Phone sw distro for GTA02
telephony functions, that perhaps if someone came out with a new cool smartphone that browses the web, goes to Facebook, does GPS, displays TV and movies, plays MP3s but can't make a simple voice call, most users would likely never even notice the last minor omission. The non-telephony features occupy such a prominent role in the minds of the designers of today's phones, in their UI design, in their manuals, in their marketing and in the minds of the intended users, that the basic Plain Phone features are some little ugly duckling tucked away in the corner. *That* is what I am rebelling against, and that is why I want a Free Plain Phone distro that would make a phone do voice calls, SMS, and absolutely positively nothing else: it is my form of expressing protest against today's dominant smart/feature phone mentality. learn about osmcombb, Googled for it, found the site, read the basics - wow, that is very, very cool! Awesome in fact! Definitely something to keep an eye on. however it's not a drop-in replacement as it lacks: *an AT command interpreter part(however they have an abandoned nuttx port) Yes, it clearly is nowhere near ready for production use yet. But it's still something very much worth keeping an eye on. *any kind of certification needed for connecting to carrier networks How would they enforce that? Just transmit a valid-looking IMEI and they would never know the difference, right? still that's not so bad, the GSM modem doesn't control the CODEC(the sound card) nor the GPS. Yes, having no GPS in the Calypso is a very very good thing. I have a big problem with RRLP. Of course it is still possible for Calypso to implement E-OTD - does anyone know if Om's Calypso FW does or not? If it does, replacing it with a future usable version of OsmocomBB would be a good project. But that's for the future. battery charging is done in the kernel. Including the intelligent logic to tell the PMIC how much current it should draw from USB VBUS? That's all from me for now, gotta wait for the GTA02 hardware unit to arrive... I agree with a lot of what you said above! I think another reason to think about a plain phone is that it then should be able to be used easily with shell scripts to act as a SMS server ie the phone is connected to a Linux server - either via the USB cable or wifi and emails that come in via the server can be processed and sent to the phone which could then do some minimal processing and send the result out as a text message. I know that Radek is working on something that might allow this in the future but a plain phone might be a better solution. Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QtMoko messages on the SIM card and in SQLite DB?
People, Could someone enlighten me about how messages work on the FreeRunner with QtMoko v35? Since I switched to QtMoko, I had accumulated about 80 sent messages and about 70 incoming messages. I had set up symlinks for /root and /home/root to dirs in /media/card and had been backing up these dirs to my desktop. On the weekend I started getting errors when I tried to delete messages - something about no space or another application using the dir. There was no shortage of disk space (53% on the root partition and, coincidentally, 53% on the SD card) but after some effort, I gave trying to work out what was wrong and reflashed v35, restored symlinks to the SD dirs etc but only a few of my old messages are displaying - is it possible to restore them somehow from backup? Why did most of the old ones disappear? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v35 - Contact - Text selects landline number
Guilhem, On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 11:29:19 +0200, Guilhem Bonnefille wrote: 2011/7/6 Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au: When I am viewing a contact and want to send that person a text, more often than not, the number that is selected is the landline number NOT the mobile number - why is that. If I go the other route, typing up a text first and then selecting the recipient, it selects the mobile number correctly . . very strange . . Funny: I currently encounter the same problem. To bypass: in the call screen, select the person and its right number before selecting the SMS application. Are you talking about clicking on the little mobile phone icon from the bottom left of the main screen? When I use that and scroll down to the person, the only number displayed is the landline number . . but it is a pain to use it like that anyway - this person is at the bottom of a long list and it is slow to scroll all the way down - it is quicker to click on the letter first from the contact list. Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QtMoko v35 - Contact - Text selects landline number
People, When I am viewing a contact and want to send that person a text, more often than not, the number that is selected is the landline number NOT the mobile number - why is that. If I go the other route, typing up a text first and then selecting the recipient, it selects the mobile number correctly . . very strange . . Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko and FSO
Radek, Hi, for those who are interested in qtmoko running on top of freesmartphone.org framework here is some update. Things are going really nice. We can now use Qt binding library for FSO which is automatically generated from fso xml spec files. It means that it's easy to use existing FSO api. It is very easy to add new api (just regenerate with one command) and compiler can find any FSO API changes. As for integration with QtMoko i have decided to add FSO phonevendor plugin. It means that there will be libfsovendor.so plugin file and you can swith between current libneovendor.so and libfsovendor.so by changing one environment variable. All future releases will have both pluging and you will be able to switch between them. It seems that both FSO and qtopia phone interfaces are nicely written and they seem to fit quite well together so i expect fast progress now. Currently QtMoko can use FSO to register to network, print available operators, make and hang call. I plan to do finish the call interface, then probably start with SMS and then i can do some experimental release. Thanks to FSO and SHR people for great framework and for help! Good news! Let me know if you want any testing done once you SMS going. Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialling INTO a wireless broadband modem with OpenMoko
Timo, On 2011-05-31 06:35, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Paul Fertserfercer...@gmail.com writes: Isn't the existing setup the same already (GPRS/HSDPA)? And with persist option it should be pretty reliable. I'm not sure if I would rely on persist alone. I use a combination of hardware and software watchdogs [1] to implement reliable callback. If I call the phone from a specific number it does not play the ringtone: instead it hangs up and initiates a GPRS connection. When that is up it sends the IP address and some extra information to my server. This is quite reliable for me. I operated openmoko as an RTK-GPS base station with this setup for months without having physical access. [1] I use three watchdogs: 1) normal watchdog package that talks to the hardware via /dev/watchdog 2) custom perl script that verifies that the GSM is associated with a cell 3) a custom perl script that keeps the battery charged at around 60% to prolong its life and to also shutdown the system safely if power is lost for and the charge drops below 20%. This sounds like what I want to do but from the other way around - use the Freerunner to connect to a remote Fedora machine with a Virgin (Australia) mobile broadband that is connected when I leave it but eventually disconnects some hours or days later. I am trying to work out a way of dialling back in . . Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialling INTO a wireless broadband modem with OpenMoko
Paul, On 2011-05-28 14:49, Paul Fertser wrote: Hi, On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 06:59:33AM +1000, Philip Rhoades wrote: On 2011-05-28 04:25, Paul Fertser wrote: Philip Rhoadesp...@pricom.com.au writes: I am wondering if it would be possible to use minicom on the Freerunner to dial the phone number of the remote dongle, make a connection If CSD[1] is available from your provider, then you can do that, right. If not, all you can do is to write some smart enough script that would do something with the connection once it tears off (in fact, probably simply adding persist option to pppd will suffice). OK, I will check with VirginMobile (Australia) but if that doesn't work I could switch to Telstra. Are there some working scripts around to do the PPP stuff? There's plenty of examples for using gprs/3g under GNU/Linux the manual way. I assume you're already using pppd for establishing the connection from the remote system to some host in the internet that you control. No - when I plug the dongle in, I just let NetworkManager find it and set it up. I haven't got it in front of me now, but I think I have to type some sort of keyring password to allow the connection? I think simply adding persist lcp-echo-failure 10 lcp-echo-interval 5 options to its config (/etc/ppp/options or /etc/ppp/peers/yourpppdscript or some other way specific to how you start pppd) should be enough. I want to make the connection from the other direction - from my normal F14 desktop TO the remote Virgin mobile broadband dongle F14 machine. Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialling INTO a wireless broadband modem with OpenMoko
Paul, On 2011-05-31 03:42, Paul Fertser wrote: Hi, On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 03:24:49AM +1000, Philip Rhoades wrote: I assume you're already using pppd for establishing the connection from the remote system to some host in the internet that you control. No - when I plug the dongle in, I just let NetworkManager find it and set it up. I haven't got it in front of me now, but I think I have to type some sort of keyring password to allow the connection? I would guess it's highly unlikely NM doesn't use pppd for establishing the connection. I think simply adding persist lcp-echo-failure 10 lcp-echo-interval 5 options to its config (/etc/ppp/options or /etc/ppp/peers/yourpppdscript or some other way specific to how you start pppd) should be enough. I want to make the connection from the other direction - from my normal F14 desktop TO the remote Virgin mobile broadband dongle F14 machine. Without CSD the most reasonable option imho would be to keep a persistent connection over GPRS to some internet host you control and use it as a proxy. An alternative would be to establish GPRS connection upon an incoming (voice) call or message but that'd be more complex and fragile to set up. The GPRS connection is just as likely to drop out as the existing setup isn't it? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: x11vnc and QTMoko
giacomo, On 2011-05-25 20:26, giacomo 'giotti' mariani wrote: On 05/04/2011 08:45 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: giacomo, On 2011-05-03 01:03, giacomo 'giotti' mariani wrote: Not sure what you mean about QX I thought that x11vnc could stay for: vnc for x11, i.e. vnc for qx. But it does not work in qx even, at least for me. - what I do is: - from my desktop ssh to neo: ssh 192.168.0.202 - and then start my script: ./px11vnc.sh - from another window on my desktop run: vncviewer 192.168.0.202 my Neo display then shows up on my desktop and as long as I keep the mouse pointer in the Neo window I can type into text messages etc from the desktop machine. I do exactly the same, but I can't input... Does that help? No, but thanks alike. Hmmm . . not sure what else I can suggest . . and clicking with the mouse on Neo icons definitely doesn't work either? Phil. Hi Phil, I installed a new OS (kubuntu 11.04) and a new vnc client (krdc) and I tried x11vnc again. I obtained similar results, with the same problem, but I noticed an error (new?): 25/05/2011 12:05:02 pipeinput: starting: ./qt_tslib_inject_kbdhack.pl... Can't locate ./kbdhack.pl in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./qt_tslib_inject_kbdhack.pl line 36. Have you got any idea on when I can find that file? That is one of the file I placed on the site for download - it should be in the same directory with px11vnc.sh - I just have them in: /root and run them from there. Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Dialling INTO a wireless broadband modem with OpenMoko
People, I have a remote server with a wireless broadband modem (dongle) on it and when am visiting the remote site I can make sure the dongle is connected to the provider and leave it running like that. The connection usually stays up for some days - allowing me to log in to it remotely - but inevitably the dongle disconnects. I am wondering if it would be possible to use minicom on the Freerunner to dial the phone number of the remote dongle, make a connection and give me a dumb terminal login to the server that the dongle is on. It seems that this would just be a wireless version of what I used to do in the good ol' days with wired, acoustic modems connected to standard phone lines. Is there some way to do what I want? If it is possible, it would be a much nicer solution than leaving the remote dongle connected to the provider. Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialling INTO a wireless broadband modem with OpenMoko
Paul, On 2011-05-28 04:25, Paul Fertser wrote: Philip Rhoadesp...@pricom.com.au writes: I am wondering if it would be possible to use minicom on the Freerunner to dial the phone number of the remote dongle, make a connection If CSD[1] is available from your provider, then you can do that, right. If not, all you can do is to write some smart enough script that would do something with the connection once it tears off (in fact, probably simply adding persist option to pppd will suffice). [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_Switched_Data OK, I will check with VirginMobile (Australia) but if that doesn't work I could switch to Telstra. Are there some working scripts around to do the PPP stuff? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AtMoko v35 incoming SMS tone missing?
People, I don't get a tone when an SMS arrives - I can't find anything on the phone or googling that mentions this - is this a known issue? Am I missing something? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: About QtMoko future
Radek, On 2011-05-09 21:08, Radek Polak wrote: On Saturday 07 May 2011 17:20:50 Joif wrote: Hi list In the announcement of QtMoko v33 there were some discussions about the future of QtMoko. But to date, I have not a clear vision about the current situation and the future of QtMoko, so I want to ask some questions to developers. 1) QtMoko is based on Qt Extended, is this Qt base still in development or is it an ended project? I mean, the main work on QtMoko is about bringing new and improved code or about solving bugs? Hi, much of the questions were already answered by Timo (thanks), i will try to add some more info. To avoid confusion i will try to explain what QtMoko is. From historical point of view its: qtopia = qt extended = qt extended improved = QtMoko Please note that you cant use first three names for your projects, because they are trademarks of Nokia, so that's why QtMoko. From technical point of view QtMoko is using regular Qt as framework for GUI, networking and other nice features that Qt supports. Qt is just compiled with custom configure switches. We can upgrade Qt from upstream and receive new Qt features quite easily. On top of Qt there are additional libraries for modem, bluetooth, wireless... and programs like homescreen, dialer, bluetooth gui, media player. QtMoko is upstream of these programs and libs. They can look like dead from the GIT commit history, but they compile ok and are working well, so there is not much reason to touch them. From my point of view there is nothing rotten in QtMoko except the build system which is no longer working with newer Qt because QtScript has been rewritten in upstream Qt and is no longer working in qbuild (qtmoko build system). There are two ways to solve it - either fix it of switch the build system to something else - most probably cmake. 3) If FSO, how many parts of the current QtMoko have to be rewritten? Will FSO be more difficult to use (in terms of writing new code)? It's hard to say now, i have just started with demo application that blinks leds and it was quite easy ;-) 4) What about Qt Mobility? If there is anything useful there we can use it. 5) Will QtMoko still remain Debian-based? (I hope so! :) ) Sure, but not only debian, you can compile if for any rootfs. I am now using SHR unstable for work on FSO integration. 6) Is (or will be) there a way to write new apps (or modify extisting ones) in a relative easy way such as using Qt Creator? I try to add QtCreator projects for all new projects and i try to make sure the apps work also on PC where you can debug them easily. I havent looked for more integration like automatic deploy and debugging on the device, but on the other hand scp gdb good enough for me. Thanks for this detail - excuse my ignorance but how does the above fit into your comment about qtopiamail for SMS and getting a CLI going for SMSs in a future development? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: x11vnc and QTMoko
giacomo, On 2011-05-03 01:03, giacomo 'giotti' mariani wrote: Not sure what you mean about QX I thought that x11vnc could stay for: vnc for x11, i.e. vnc for qx. But it does not work in qx even, at least for me. - what I do is: - from my desktop ssh to neo: ssh 192.168.0.202 - and then start my script: ./px11vnc.sh - from another window on my desktop run: vncviewer 192.168.0.202 my Neo display then shows up on my desktop and as long as I keep the mouse pointer in the Neo window I can type into text messages etc from the desktop machine. I do exactly the same, but I can't input... Does that help? No, but thanks alike. Hmmm . . not sure what else I can suggest . . and clicking with the mouse on Neo icons definitely doesn't work either? Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: x11vnc and QTMoko
giacomo, On 2011-05-02 20:56, giacomo 'giotti' mariani wrote: On 05/01/2011 11:20, Philip Rhoades wrote: giacomo, On 2011-04-29 21:07, giacomo 'giotti' mariani wrote: Thomas, Radek set me up with access and I have put the files here: http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/download/x11vnc/ - sorry about the delay! BTW, I put a README.txt file there too but that is not displaying for some reason but shell script should give you enough info . . Regards, Phil. Hello Phil, I've just tried it: it displays correctly on my PC, but I can't input anything with mouse nor keyboard. Am I missing something? x11vnc behaves like twm - the pointer needs to be inside the window for it to be active . . Let me know if that fixes things. Phil. Phil, thanks for your answer. If I understand correctly you are speaking about QX. I was wondering if keyboard and mouse could be used in bare qtmoko, for SMS and similar stuffs: entering the VNC window neo:0 I see my mobile GUI, but I can not interact with it. Not sure what you mean about QX - what I do is: - from my desktop ssh to neo: ssh 192.168.0.202 - and then start my script: ./px11vnc.sh - from another window on my desktop run: vncviewer 192.168.0.202 my Neo display then shows up on my desktop and as long as I keep the mouse pointer in the Neo window I can type into text messages etc from the desktop machine. Does that help? Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: x11vnc and QTMoko
giacomo, On 2011-04-29 21:07, giacomo 'giotti' mariani wrote: Thomas, Radek set me up with access and I have put the files here: http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/download/x11vnc/ - sorry about the delay! BTW, I put a README.txt file there too but that is not displaying for some reason but shell script should give you enough info . . Regards, Phil. Hello Phil, I've just tried it: it displays correctly on my PC, but I can't input anything with mouse nor keyboard. Am I missing something? x11vnc behaves like twm - the pointer needs to be inside the window for it to be active . . Let me know if that fixes things. Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: x11vnc and QTMoko
Thomas, Radek set me up with access and I have put the files here: http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/download/x11vnc/ - sorry about the delay! BTW, I put a README.txt file there too but that is not displaying for some reason but shell script should give you enough info . . Regards, Phil. On 2011-04-03 20:12, Thomas Bellembois wrote: It would be great ! May be Radek could put it on the QTMoko site ? Le 03/04/2011 12:07, Philip Rhoades a écrit : Ranjit, Keyboard access was what I paid Karl to do . . it is pretty basic with a minor glitch . . but it works . . If someone can tell me an appropriate place to put it for general access, I will do that . . Phil. On 2011-04-03 18:04, Ranjit Pillai wrote: Hi, If you want to use x11vnc with qtmoko, remember that qtmoko runs on framebuffer and not x11. I tried it with QX but couldn't make it work, but with a simple cmd at the shell prompt x11vnc -rawfb console (device) and vncviewerip-address of server - client(laptop) was able to connect to the x11vnc, but don't expect the keyboard access or anything of that sort.. :) just recorded a sample video with it ... its with v24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N76Kfc9HmQ Rgds Rp On 4/2/11, Philip Rhoadesp...@pricom.com.au wrote: Thomas, I paid Karl to do a bit of work on it so what I have is probably a bit different from what you have. Maybe I should put it and my startup script on the OM web site somewhere? Regards, Phil. On 2011-04-02 04:10, Thomas Bellembois wrote: Thanks for this quick reply ! I could not manage to make it work. I have apt-get installed it, configured xinetd to run it a startup but I can not connect with my vnc client. Could you give me your method ? Thanks a lot. Thomas Le 01/04/2011 17:40, Philip Rhoades a écrit : Thomas, Yep - using it constantly so I can get full keyboard access for typing texts . . Karl was very helpful getting the glitches sorted out - I have one trivial problem that I can't work out but Karl is quite busy at the moment. Regards, Phil. On 2011-04-02 00:59, Thomas Bellembois wrote: Hello All ! I was wondering if somebody has already tried to use x11vnc on QTMoko ? (http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/) Thanks, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Article: What happened to real open source phones?
radek On 2011-04-23 15:44, radek polak wrote: Since: linux-image-2.6.37-qtmoko-gta02_v34-1_armel.deb is v34, should: uImage.bin-2.6.37-qtmoko be installed along with: qi-v34.udfu and: qtmoko-debian-v34.ubi ? (I currently have the v35 stuff installed). You can use it also with v35. I tried it but then I can't get a USB connection to 192.168.0.202 . . which I need for x11vnc etc . . Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Article: What happened to real open source phones?
dmatthews, On 2011-04-23 17:12, dmatthews.org wrote: I tried it but then I can't get a USB connection to 192.168.0.202 . . which I need for x11vnc etc . . I'm finding that is problematical with the stable v35 kernel also; the only way I can make the desktop recognize a usb0 is by rebooting it with the phone already connected. That definitely does not work for me on uImage.bin-2.6.37-qtmoko - I can watch /var/log/messages on my desktop and there is no sign of detecting the USB connection . . That is not reliable either, sometimes I have to reboot the desktop several times. Since I switched from ubuntu lucid to squeeze (on the desktop) around the same time as going from v26 to v34/35 on the phone, I'm not 100% on which one has the problem :) v35 (and v34) is quite reliable for me except for a minor glitch - immediately after rebooting, I can make a ssh connection but then it almost always hangs after a few seconds. If I reconnect again, it then lasts indefinitely (unless the FR goes into standby mode - which it does sometimes when it shouldn't - ie all the power settings are off for plugged in. Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Article: What happened to real open source phones?
Radek, On 2011-04-22 18:56, Radek Polak wrote: On Friday 22 April 2011 09:56:07 Matthias Apitz wrote: I'm still using my FR as my daily and only cellphone (it still runs Om2008.9) and I'm happy with it, even if the battery is poor and lasts only 6-8 hours. But I don't care because I nearly always have my laptop or some external batteries in a small gadget with AA cells to charge it. I have been measuring battery life with 2.6.37 kernel under QtMoko and after 5 days without recharging the battery was low but it still worked. So it looks like freerunner is maybe one of the best smarphones as for battery life, On my original battery and v34 QtMoko I was getting ~2hrs with constant use (playing MP3s while walking on a treadmill) so I bought two new BL-6C batteries (~$5 each - too cheap?). When these batteries arrived, the first battery had no charge at all and the second had a little. I have tested them both in standby mode: Test#1 #2 1 11 2 34 3 14 4 18 5 13 6 52 Mean12.734.7 - aren't they are supposed to last for 70 hours? Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Article: What happened to real open source phones?
Radek, On 2011-04-23 00:40, Radek Polak wrote: On Friday 22 April 2011 11:04:29 giacomo 'giotti' mariani wrote: I have been measuring battery life with 2.6.37 kernel under QtMoko and after 5 days without recharging the battery was low but it still worked. So it looks like freerunner is maybe one of the best smarphones as for battery life, Regards Radek WOW When will it be available for us? You can try package from: https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/Experimental/ Since: linux-image-2.6.37-qtmoko-gta02_v34-1_armel.deb is v34, should: uImage.bin-2.6.37-qtmoko be installed along with: qi-v34.udfu and: qtmoko-debian-v34.ubi ? (I currently have the v35 stuff installed). Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: x11vnc and QTMoko
Radek, I have logged in to SourceForge but how do I add files here?: https://sourceforge.net/projects/qtmoko/files/ I should then be able to post a note on the wiki here: http://qtmoko.org/wiki/Download Thanks, Phil. On 2011-04-04 22:15, Radek Polak wrote: On Monday 04 April 2011 09:57:27 Philip Rhoades wrote: Radek, Should I email it to you or put it on the site myself? Hi, please put it on the site if you can, Thanks Radek Thanks, Phil. On 2011-04-03 20:12, Thomas Bellembois wrote: It would be great ! May be Radek could put it on the QTMoko site ? Le 03/04/2011 12:07, Philip Rhoades a écrit : Ranjit, Keyboard access was what I paid Karl to do . . it is pretty basic with a minor glitch . . but it works . . If someone can tell me an appropriate place to put it for general access, I will do that . . Phil. On 2011-04-03 18:04, Ranjit Pillai wrote: Hi, If you want to use x11vnc with qtmoko, remember that qtmoko runs on framebuffer and not x11. I tried it with QX but couldn't make it work, but with a simple cmd at the shell prompt x11vnc -rawfb console (device) and vncviewerip-address of server - client(laptop) was able to connect to the x11vnc, but don't expect the keyboard access or anything of that sort.. :) just recorded a sample video with it ... its with v24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N76Kfc9HmQ -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: x11vnc and QTMoko
Radek, Should I email it to you or put it on the site myself? Thanks, Phil. On 2011-04-03 20:12, Thomas Bellembois wrote: It would be great ! May be Radek could put it on the QTMoko site ? Le 03/04/2011 12:07, Philip Rhoades a écrit : Ranjit, Keyboard access was what I paid Karl to do . . it is pretty basic with a minor glitch . . but it works . . If someone can tell me an appropriate place to put it for general access, I will do that . . Phil. On 2011-04-03 18:04, Ranjit Pillai wrote: Hi, If you want to use x11vnc with qtmoko, remember that qtmoko runs on framebuffer and not x11. I tried it with QX but couldn't make it work, but with a simple cmd at the shell prompt x11vnc -rawfb console (device) and vncviewerip-address of server - client(laptop) was able to connect to the x11vnc, but don't expect the keyboard access or anything of that sort.. :) just recorded a sample video with it ... its with v24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N76Kfc9HmQ Rgds Rp On 4/2/11, Philip Rhoadesp...@pricom.com.au wrote: Thomas, I paid Karl to do a bit of work on it so what I have is probably a bit different from what you have. Maybe I should put it and my startup script on the OM web site somewhere? Regards, Phil. On 2011-04-02 04:10, Thomas Bellembois wrote: Thanks for this quick reply ! I could not manage to make it work. I have apt-get installed it, configured xinetd to run it a startup but I can not connect with my vnc client. Could you give me your method ? Thanks a lot. Thomas Le 01/04/2011 17:40, Philip Rhoades a écrit : Thomas, Yep - using it constantly so I can get full keyboard access for typing texts . . Karl was very helpful getting the glitches sorted out - I have one trivial problem that I can't work out but Karl is quite busy at the moment. Regards, Phil. On 2011-04-02 00:59, Thomas Bellembois wrote: Hello All ! I was wondering if somebody has already tried to use x11vnc on QTMoko ? (http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/) Thanks, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: x11vnc and QTMoko
Ranjit, Keyboard access was what I paid Karl to do . . it is pretty basic with a minor glitch . . but it works . . If someone can tell me an appropriate place to put it for general access, I will do that . . Phil. On 2011-04-03 18:04, Ranjit Pillai wrote: Hi, If you want to use x11vnc with qtmoko, remember that qtmoko runs on framebuffer and not x11. I tried it with QX but couldn't make it work, but with a simple cmd at the shell prompt x11vnc -rawfb console (device) and vncviewerip-address of server - client(laptop) was able to connect to the x11vnc, but don't expect the keyboard access or anything of that sort.. :) just recorded a sample video with it ... its with v24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N76Kfc9HmQ Rgds Rp On 4/2/11, Philip Rhoadesp...@pricom.com.au wrote: Thomas, I paid Karl to do a bit of work on it so what I have is probably a bit different from what you have. Maybe I should put it and my startup script on the OM web site somewhere? Regards, Phil. On 2011-04-02 04:10, Thomas Bellembois wrote: Thanks for this quick reply ! I could not manage to make it work. I have apt-get installed it, configured xinetd to run it a startup but I can not connect with my vnc client. Could you give me your method ? Thanks a lot. Thomas Le 01/04/2011 17:40, Philip Rhoades a écrit : Thomas, Yep - using it constantly so I can get full keyboard access for typing texts . . Karl was very helpful getting the glitches sorted out - I have one trivial problem that I can't work out but Karl is quite busy at the moment. Regards, Phil. On 2011-04-02 00:59, Thomas Bellembois wrote: Hello All ! I was wondering if somebody has already tried to use x11vnc on QTMoko ? (http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/) Thanks, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: x11vnc and QTMoko
Thomas, I paid Karl to do a bit of work on it so what I have is probably a bit different from what you have. Maybe I should put it and my startup script on the OM web site somewhere? Regards, Phil. On 2011-04-02 04:10, Thomas Bellembois wrote: Thanks for this quick reply ! I could not manage to make it work. I have apt-get installed it, configured xinetd to run it a startup but I can not connect with my vnc client. Could you give me your method ? Thanks a lot. Thomas Le 01/04/2011 17:40, Philip Rhoades a écrit : Thomas, Yep - using it constantly so I can get full keyboard access for typing texts . . Karl was very helpful getting the glitches sorted out - I have one trivial problem that I can't work out but Karl is quite busy at the moment. Regards, Phil. On 2011-04-02 00:59, Thomas Bellembois wrote: Hello All ! I was wondering if somebody has already tried to use x11vnc on QTMoko ? (http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/) Thanks, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: x11vnc and QTMoko
Thomas, Yep - using it constantly so I can get full keyboard access for typing texts . . Karl was very helpful getting the glitches sorted out - I have one trivial problem that I can't work out but Karl is quite busy at the moment. Regards, Phil. On 2011-04-02 00:59, Thomas Bellembois wrote: Hello All ! I was wondering if somebody has already tried to use x11vnc on QTMoko ? (http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/) Thanks, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v33 - More battery info and questions
Paul, On 2011-03-30 19:31, Paul Fertser wrote: Hi, On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 06:00:22PM +1100, Philip Rhoades wrote: Philip Rhoadesp...@pricom.com.au writes: - Even with the dumb battery configuration, the battery charging animated icon continues after USB (power) disconnection - should that happen? Provide uevent files contents for both the battery driver and pcf50633-mbc drivers. /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc.0/power_supply/usb/uevent POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=usb POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=USB POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=1 With USB unplugged this looks like a manifistation of a bug. Please specify the kernel version you use. Sorry, my mistake - I had it plugged in to get easier access to the device . . - The discharge rate attached for an inactive phone (with a blanked screen) with a new, fully charged battery is not very good (~10 hours) Keep in mind that the SoC was constantly running during that test, so this should be ok. Normal usage assumes you use suspend-to-ram when you do not actually interact with the device, that should give ~70 (without #1024 fix) or ~140 (with it) hours of standby time. At the moment dim is set to 20s, display off to 50s and suspend is off - are you saying that suspend should be set to 120s or something? How does that affect incoming calls? Incoming calls should wake up the device without any issues, there's a dedicated irq line for that. Yes, I tested it and it worked fine. I still have a problem with low battery life - I am testing the second new battery to see how that behaves and will update when I have more info. Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v33 - More battery info and questions
Paul, On 2011-03-27 01:42, Paul Fertser wrote: Hi, Philip Rhoadesp...@pricom.com.au writes: - Even with the dumb battery configuration, the battery charging animated icon continues after USB (power) disconnection - should that happen? Provide uevent files contents for both the battery driver and pcf50633-mbc drivers. /sys/class/power_supply/battery/uevent POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=battery POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=Battery POWER_SUPPLY_PRESENT=1 POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Charging POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=387 POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=55 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=85 POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=459000 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc.0/uevent DRIVER=pcf50633-mbc MODALIAS=platform:pcf50633-mbc /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc.0/power_supply/adapter/uevent POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=adapter POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=Mains POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=0 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc.0/power_supply/usb/uevent POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=usb POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=USB POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=1 /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-mbc.0/power_supply/ac/uevent POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=ac POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE=Mains POWER_SUPPLY_ONLINE=0 - Using the methods above, both bind and unbind files exist in the driver directory - shouldn't there be only one at any one time? If not, don't the files only need to be created once instead of repeatedly each time the scripts/aliases are run? Those files are always present in the sysfs, kernel maintains them automatically for every driver. Right (thanks to Neil Jerram for clarification on this as well). - The discharge rate attached for an inactive phone (with a blanked screen) with a new, fully charged battery is not very good (~10 hours) Keep in mind that the SoC was constantly running during that test, so this should be ok. Normal usage assumes you use suspend-to-ram when you do not actually interact with the device, that should give ~70 (without #1024 fix) or ~140 (with it) hours of standby time. At the moment dim is set to 20s, display off to 50s and suspend is off - are you saying that suspend should be set to 120s or something? How does that affect incoming calls? Looking at this I realise that when the device is disconnected all the dimming etc has stopped working even the values are set correctly . . - Should the phone be shut down after the dumb battery is fully charged? No, charging is the same for gta02 battery and the dumb one, it's safe and doesn't require manual intervention. OK, good. Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QtMoko v33 - More battery info and questions
People, Using: echo bq27000-battery.0 /sys/bus/platform/drivers/bq27000-battery/unbind modprobe platform_battery allows me to check the value of: /sys/class/power_supply/battery/capacity and using: rmmod platform_battery echo bq27000-battery.0 /sys/bus/platform/drivers/bq27000-battery/bind restores the smart battery function. I attach a graph of the resulting discharge rate of the fully charged Nokia BL-6C battery. Questions: - Even with the dumb battery configuration, the battery charging animated icon continues after USB (power) disconnection - should that happen? - Using the methods above, both bind and unbind files exist in the driver directory - shouldn't there be only one at any one time? If not, don't the files only need to be created once instead of repeatedly each time the scripts/aliases are run? - The discharge rate attached for an inactive phone (with a blanked screen) with a new, fully charged battery is not very good (~10 hours) - I would need at least 24 hours with light usage to be able to use the Neo as my regular phone. Is this battery performance typical? - Should the phone be shut down after the dumb battery is fully charged? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au attachment: ChkOMBattery.png___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QtMoko new replacement battery - charging oddness
People, My original Neo battery lasts about 3.5 hours from a full charge with no activity with QtMoko v33. I bought replacement BL-6C batteries but when I plug either of them in, they appear to be charging (~20 hours) but when the USB is disconnected the battery icon appears to be still charging(!) and the Neo shuts down soon after ( 2 hours) with no charge. When I reboot, I try to cat the files in: /sys/class/power_supply/battery/ but I get No such device messages. Any ideas about how to proceed? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko new replacement battery - charging oddness
Radek, On 2011-03-24 22:38, Radek Polak wrote: On Thursday 24 March 2011 09:46:54 Philip Rhoades wrote: My original Neo battery lasts about 3.5 hours from a full charge with no activity with QtMoko v33. I bought replacement BL-6C batteries but when I plug either of them in, they appear to be charging (~20 hours) but when the USB is disconnected the battery icon appears to be still charging(!) and the Neo shuts down soon after ( 2 hours) with no charge. When I reboot, I try to cat the files in: /sys/class/power_supply/battery/ but I get No such device messages. Any ideas about how to proceed? You will need to use dumb battery kernel driver. I cant say how/if it works. Please try: modprobe platform_battery Yes, I found that info eventually (the battery page needs updating). or add platform_battery to /etc/modules so that it's loaded automatically after reboot. Thanks! Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v33
Radek, I just did a clean install with v33, restored my symlinks for /root /home/root to dirs on the SD card and everything worked perfectly! Many thanks for your continuing work! See below for comments/questions: On 2011-03-04 17:37, Radek Polak wrote: Hi, i have uploaded new qtmoko v33 images to sourceforge now [1]. They are still called experimental, because a few things are still not perfect. For more information about qtmoko please see [2][3]. Here is list of changes since v32: * new theme faenqo (cyberspirit) Is this the default? - it looks the same as before - how do I change themes (I couldn't find the info anywhere) - ahh networking problem on my server - fixed now. * qtmoko and it's applications are packaged as debian packages * compiled natively on ARM with debian toolchain * new web with applications and themes [4] * applications are now installed from web browser * new icon for installing qtmoko apps in Applications * you can easily install new themes in appearence settings Nice! * fixed usb mass storage script (thanks to Alfa21) * omhacks are installed as debian package from sid * qmplayer installs mencoder in debian ? mplayer installed when I tried to play an audio file but mencoder is not installed . . * mencoder uses ac3 codec for audio * orange led brightness should be fixed (only in sources) * moved all apps from qtmoko-apps git to qtmoko git * updated docs for building and compiling The list is quite short on how much of work it was. Most of the effort was to package everything with debian package system. This should be done now except for kernel which is on the list for next release. For installing qtmoko with apt there is new line now in /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/debian/ / I might try this next time. Applications and themes are right now not in that repo. They can be installed from web browser from url below [4]. Applications are put in categories, they have tags and screenshots for easy searching and navigation. Please let me know if you have ideas or patches for improving this. The application web is generated from .xml files with xsltproc and bash scripts so it should be quite easy to change look or improve it. Btw .deb packages for most of the apps are still building right now so please be patient - i will upload them as soon as the build is finished. Applications in this version can be still installed with old qtopia package system, but i am going to disable this for next release if new packaging will be ok for you. My plan for next version is to fix regression if you find any, package properly also kernel and release it as stable. Plans for future is FSO framework in qtmoko. What will that provide? Don't forget to try new faenqo theme or use older themes (asthromod) which were only in git until now. They are really nice. Thanks for supporting qtmoko Thanks for continuing to support my Neo! Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: NeronGPS - fixes, map cache
Radek, On 2011-03-18 02:22, Radek Polak wrote: Ji=C5=99=C3=AD Pinkava wrote: Hi, =20 what is status of NeronGPS? Is sthi project (somewere? in Radek's repositery?) alive? =20 NeronGPS sometimes segfault or just exits, where I should send patches (if I do anny :)? =20 In latest QtMoko v33 I does not found how to download map to cache (I used original app from http://tvuillaume.free.fr/NeronGPS/ to do this) I'm miss something? Hi, the author has his git here: https://github.com/tvuillaume/NeronGPS/commits/master His last work seems was support for N900. I was using for long time some ol= der=20 version which had more features. I'll switch back to this version for qtmok= o=20 v34. IIRC this version never segfaulted for me. You can send patches to me against my git: https://github.com/radekp/NeronGPS/ probably against the branch qtmoko. I communicated with the author about an improvement (restarting trace after a loss and regain of a fix) but he says he doesn't have time to work on it any more but he was happy to help if I wanted to hack the code but I haven't had time either . . Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: faenqo
Radek, On 2011-02-07 06:18, Radek Polak wrote: Neil Jerram wrote: Although I have nothing but admiration for the way that Radek and his contributors have been shepherding and improving QtMoko, I haven't actually tried it recently because I find the default look too dull. But your theme makes me feel like trying QtMoko again. There is also theme called asthromod, which is very beutiful too. The problem with themes is that they are quite big to be all in default instalation and i tried to solve this this weekend. My idea is to extend the appearence dialog with button or option get more themes which will preview all themes that we have and you can install new theme with single click. The problem is how to package them. First i tried to make theme packages with qtopia package system which looked promising (package was created easily), but then it turned out that this package system can install only to /home/root/packages and needs executable binary. So for now my plan is to make .deb package for each theme. I started learning debian packaging system and now i think i can do it. While learning debian packaging i made source package of qtmoko [1]. It does not have correct dependencies, but otherwise you can build qtmoko .deb package on PC host for ARM target. It's also possible to modify it for ARM package on ARM host (pass some more arguments to configure as described here [3]). While we are at it we could probably package all other qtmoko apps as .deb packages. If you are going to do that, why not look at the proposed new standard packaging method? http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/44800-linux-distros-in-bid-for-common-app-installer Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Wiki
People, I want to know how it will compare to my GTA02 . . I want a bigger screen but the video shows about the same size device? Thanks, Phil. On 2011-01-15 02:11, Giovanni wrote: This sounds like a good idea. Best regards, giovanni (aka alien jo) On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz mailto:pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: To start filling it with really useful information, please let us know which pages (keyword, short description) you would expect. Just an idea: we could write down wrong decisions that were made during GTA02 development and that could be avoided for GTA04. E.g.: - the GTA03 announce was bad decision and discouraged many people from buying GTA02. - GTA02 was released to public as phone without decent software stack, which caused negative reviews, which discouraged many potential customers. Maybe it's too early but it would be pity to do something wrong twice. I can see a lot of potential in GTA04 and it could be employed not just as a phone. I am working for company that does sofware and sells embedded devices and we paid a lot of money for custom ARM board with display and GSM modem. GTA04 could have done the job much better. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04 Wiki
Neil, On 2011-01-19 08:25, NeilBrown wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:59:10 +1100 Philip Rhoadesp...@pricom.com.au wrote: People, I want to know how it will compare to my GTA02 . . I want a bigger screen but the video shows about the same size device? The GTA04 isn't a phone (at this stage at least). It is a replacement motherboard for the Openmoko Freerunner. So you use the same case, the same display, the same touchscreen, the same battery. Only the motherboard and the components on it will changed. I would love a bigger screen too, and no bevel around the screen, and a thinner case and and and and... But the chance of getting that as a truly open device seems pretty slim at the moment. So I'm happy to compromise and get a GTA04 board to eventually put in my Freerunner case. OK, well then I guess I want a comparison feature for feature between the old and the new . . is GTA04 just to replace a dead GTA02 MB? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
QtMoko v31 Voice Notes volume
People, Is there some way to increase the playback volume of recorded voice notes? Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades GPO Box 3411 Sydney NSW 2001 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
