Re: CellHunters data integrated in OpenCellID
Hi, nice to hear. I think with all this collected data we can start something cool :) Greetings, Sebastian Hammerl Thomas Landspurg schrieb: Hello everybody, Just to inform that we have succesfully integrated CellHunters data into the OpenCellID database. The database is now more than 570 000 cells for 48 310 000 measures The signal strengh field hase been imported, as well the gname wich is the name of the team who have created the measures. So thanks to Sebastian Hammer of CellsHunter for helping me and to all the cell hunters! ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server
So,. everything should be fine now, please visit http://cellhunter.omoco.de for the new version and report any bugs you find. Greetings, Sebastian ps: no deb package yet but will come ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
CellHunter is moving to a new server
Hi, CellHunter is getting a new faster server! So CellHunter is moving. At the moment I am migrating the database to the new system and will check if everything is ok with the data. The bad part of the move is that I have to release a new version because the submit adress is hardcoded to the old ip :( But the new version will contain a dns name and some bugfixes. So please be patient and save your logs while I am moving to the new server and then update CellHunter to the new version. I will send an email again when everything is over. You can also check http://cellhunter.omoco.de I will update this subdomain as soon all is ready. All is getting faster and better - I promise :) Greetings, Sebastian ps: the database now contains over 7 million entries and is about 1,5GB big. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
hi,
Christian Gagneraud schrieb:
Christian Gagneraud wrote:
Hi all,
I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some
data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server.
I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert
data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server?
I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data
are still usable by OBM.
Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of
course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best?
Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so?
I did a comparison of what's get logged/store by CH, OBM and OCI
logger/database:
Cell data:
==
OBM CH OCI
timex x x
providerx
mmc x x x
mnc x x x
lac x x x
id x x x
signal (1) x x
arfcn x
type (2)x (3)
ta x (3)
c1 x (4)
c2 x (4)
serving x x
GPS data:
=
OBM CH OCI
timex
lat x x x
longx x x
alt x x
heading x
speed x
hdopx
vdopx
pdopx
Cellhunter does save the gps time.
greetings, Sebastian
Meta data:
==
OBM CH OCI
hwmanuf x
hwidx x
hwver x
swidx x (5)
swver x x (5)
login/pass/key x x x
(1) OBM: signal strength in dBM and rxlevel in % (?), CH: signal
strength according to GSM specs
(2) Network type: GSM, UMTS, HSDPA, ...
(3) OBM: only with serving cells
(4) OBM: only with non-serving cells
(5) Via HTTP agent when uploading
So finally, OCI logs basic information, CH a bit more, and OBM a lot
more.
Here is the compatibility matrix between the loggers and the servers
(database):
SERVER
OCICHOBM
L G OCI x
O E CH x x
G R OBM xx
Both CH and OBM loggers can be used to populate OCI database.
For CH logger to be compatible with OBM database, there's lot of data
that need to be added to the CH logger.
For OBM logger to be compatible with CH database, there's very few
data that need to be added to the OBM logger:
- provider: the network operator, as reported by fso.GSM.Network.g
getStatus() or Status() signal
- arfcn: current channel number, as reported by
fso.GSM.Monitor.Get{Serving,Neighbour}CellInformation()
And only one data is expressed in a different unit:
- signal strength: OBM use dBm and CH use a scale as per %EM AT command
So finally, it would be ideal to enhance slightly the OBM logger, this
way it will be universal in regards to the 3 databases. And this will
give the user the complete freedom to upload his data to whatever
database he wants (for example i would like to upload data to CH
server for the fun and still contribute to OBM because i'm convinced
of the higher quality of their data).
Some personal remarks (a bit OT):
- I was really surprised to see that CH logger use AT commands
directly (via fso.GSM.Debug), whereas OBM logger use plainly the FSO
interface.
- It's a pity that CH use signal strength in GSM scale, FSO use
percent and OBM dBm. There's lot of wasted CPU (and battery) around...
Chris
PS: I don't pretend that this analysis is accurate nor mistake-free,
so please correct me if i'm wrong somewhere.
Chris.
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Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
Christian Gagneraud schrieb: Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Hi, Hi Sebastian, about the conversion I cannot help you because I don't know the openbmap format. I talked with the openbmap owner about collaborating and got to the result that it will only happen in the way that openbmap can use the cellhunter data. I will not combine these two databases. There are some mails here around with reasons for that. Yes, i've read about this, and i think that it's worth logging too much data than not enough... But cellhunter will cooperate with opencellid.org which is as far as I know the largest open cellid database. And my opinion is that everyone should submit the data via cellhunter or something else to this database so there is one global one. Only with a good cover all over the world this data gets usefull. I've looked at opencellid.org website, and couldn't find any information concerning the database, how can a user access the data for example... there is an api documented at the homepage and you can download the raw data. I just saw that openbmaps imports the opencellid data so there will be the cellhunter data in in future. That's a good point, but for example, yesterday evening i've uploaded lot of data (about 5 hours sampling every 10 seconds, while moving by boat along the coast), and now i would like to reuse these data, exploit them, plot them, ... with existing web application or by writing my own tool, the API offered by cellhunter doesn't really fit my needs that's why i want to have a look at OBM's API. Do you know how often CH is imported into opencellid, and how often opencellid are imported into OBM? cellhunter ist not submitting to opencellid yet, because i have to prepare the data for that but it will happen. Sebastian Cheers, Chris Greetings, Sebastian (CellHunter developer) Christian Gagneraud schrieb: Hi all, I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server. I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server? I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data are still usable by OBM. Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best? Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so? Chris. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap
Hi, about the conversion I cannot help you because I don't know the openbmap format. I talked with the openbmap owner about collaborating and got to the result that it will only happen in the way that openbmap can use the cellhunter data. I will not combine these two databases. There are some mails here around with reasons for that. But cellhunter will cooperate with opencellid.org which is as far as I know the largest open cellid database. And my opinion is that everyone should submit the data via cellhunter or something else to this database so there is one global one. Only with a good cover all over the world this data gets usefull. I just saw that openbmaps imports the opencellid data so there will be the cellhunter data in in future. Greetings, Sebastian (CellHunter developer) Christian Gagneraud schrieb: Hi all, I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server. I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server? I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data are still usable by OBM. Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best? Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so? Chris. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: cellhunter --- the state of development and future
Hi, Here are some updates about cellhunter. I am currently working at an online map so you can view already found cells around you. I am using tangogps to display the cells and it looks like: http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/images/tangogps.png I created a tangogps repository which overlays the celldata over openstreetmap. So you know if somebody has been there and where you can get new cells. It is not finished yet but I will release it soon. Greetings, Sebastian ivvmm schrieb: I wonder how quick is it developed and how much people are involved in? In fact no one in my country is using it(looked at the map on cellhunter's site). By also looking at the map we can see that many regions are already covered. So when the next steps will be taken? I mean integrating the ability to get a fix from a network cell for GPS clients. TangoGPS for example? Or will cellhunter remain just a game? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Mokomaze 0.5.0] is released
Hi, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra schrieb: On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 11:21:42AM -0700, ANT wrote: Hi all! Mokomaze 0.5.0 (ball-in-the-labyrinth game) with completely new physics and graphics engines is released! As I said before, there are a lot of changes since previous version: * a good-looking skin * use ODE (Open Dynamics Engine) instead of my own physics engine * rolling ball animation * falling ball animation * gravity calibration feature * GUI improvements * added exit button I've also added _2_new_levels_. The ball became 3D and physics now calculates angular velocities, so the game consumes more CPU time than before, but framerate stays more than decent, so no lagging. Please take into account that one more dependency was added. Now the game requires libode, which is already in Debian, but not in Openmoko repositories. So, I've provided an .ipk compiled by myself. Other than that, the structure of source code and building system is unchanged. Complete instructions for * installation * avoiding auto-suspend and display dimming * accelerometer calibration are available at the project's homepage [1]. Information on opkg.org was also renewed [2]. The demonstration video (from announce letter) is available on youtube [3]. The debian package is untested, so let me know if it works or not. [1] http://mokomaze.projects.openmoko.org/ [2] http://www.opkg.org/package_121.html [3] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVRRXx2kEu8 Have a fun! Damn, seems fun and would love to but breaks out on Om2008.12 (and I have libmokoui and libode) r...@om-gta02:~# mokomaze File_loader: savegame file not found File_loader: 14 game levels parsed Segmentation fault you have to install libpng3. that works for me. I took it from shr unstalbe because the repo for testint is down at the moment. Sebastian Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: cellhunter --- the state of development and future
Hi, ivvmm schrieb: I wonder how quick is it developed and how much people are involved in? In fact no one in my country is using it(looked at the map on cellhunter's site). By also looking at the map we can see that many regions are already covered. At the moment it is only me involved in the developing of cellhunter. At the end of mai i will finish my master thesis and then i will have some more time for cellhunter and developing will go on. So when the next steps will be taken? I mean integrating the ability to get a fix from a network cell for GPS clients. TangoGPS for example? Or will cellhunter remain just a game? Cellhunter will cooperate with opencellid.org, the largest cell database i know. with the api of opencellid someone can offer a program to get a fix with cells or agps support. perhaps some location service will be added to fso. cellhunter is not just a game, the main goal is to get the database and use the data. because it does not make sense to work only on the own data it will join its database into opencellid.org. with this cooperation there will be a good coverage worldwide and opencellid can provide the data to the enduser. for a coverage of opencellid look at: http://78.47.116.33/~hole/worldcells_opencellid.jpg cellhunter itself offers an api to query the cells known by cellhunter. So here is the call to all the developers around to create a location service based on the opencellid data. for me that database should be the main db and everyone can provide his data to this db. greetings, sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
mmh, ok so i will have to update. thanks c_c schrieb: Hi, Hi, I get the following error when starting with shr testing: intone: error while loading shared libraries: libecore_input.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory You'll probably need to upgrade to shr-unstable. Intone needs the newer releases of elementary (and enlightenment therefore). One check is to run the elementary tests application and see if the demos for sliders and genlists are available. If not - upgrade to shr-unstable. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
mmh, ok so i will have to update. thanks c_c schrieb: Hi, Hi, I get the following error when starting with shr testing: intone: error while loading shared libraries: libecore_input.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory You'll probably need to upgrade to shr-unstable. Intone needs the newer releases of elementary (and enlightenment therefore). One check is to run the elementary tests application and see if the demos for sliders and genlists are available. If not - upgrade to shr-unstable. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
mmh, ok so i will have to update. thanks c_c schrieb: Hi, Hi, I get the following error when starting with shr testing: intone: error while loading shared libraries: libecore_input.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory You'll probably need to upgrade to shr-unstable. Intone needs the newer releases of elementary (and enlightenment therefore). One check is to run the elementary tests application and see if the demos for sliders and genlists are available. If not - upgrade to shr-unstable. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone (0.20 - alpha release) Elementary based mplayer frontend
Hi, I get the following error when starting with shr testing: intone: error while loading shared libraries: libecore_input.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory which library do i have to install? greetings, sebastian c_c schrieb: Hi, Well, it took a lot longer than I thought - but finally - here's the alpha release of Intone - a mplayer frontend (for audio files - as of now) in C. Uses about 2% CPU (max) while running - memory goes up depending on your playlist - on my phone (~2500 songs) it uses about 15%. All you need to do is download the attached ipk and install it. Intone depends on sqlite3 and libelementary. If you have elementary on your phone upgraded to a level where the elementary test application shows you a demo of sliders and genlists, Intone should run on your phone. The recommended way to organise music is to put all the files in a folder (lets say Music), with sub folders named after artists (say Music -Eagles) and with sub sub folders holding albums (that becomes Music-Eagles-Hell Freezes Over-*.mp3). That way, Intone can correctly organise your music collection into albums. It automatically creates a default playlist containing all songs and individual playlists for each album. I have added features to manage playlists and albums - but there is always scope for improvement. Intone uses a sqlite database as a backend for the playlists and albums. That should, hopefully, give flexibility in adding more features later. Things that don't work as of now :- 1. Feedback. - I haven't been able to add dialogs yet. So - wait a little while for Intone to finish long operations (like adding your music collection for the first time - my 2500 odd songs took about 6 secs - the button remains pressed too) 2. Dialogs for deleting stuff. It's safe - Intone does not delete any files - but it does delete tables(albums and playlists) - and it doesn't yet ask for confirmation. 3. Seek. Dont know how to use the slider for seeking. Any Ideas? 4. DBUS. - Haven't gotten around to learning edbus - so no occupy resouce CPU or pause on incoming calls yet. Will take some more time. 5. Album art and lyrics. - Don't yet know the best way to go about doing this other than downloading art from some retailers etc. Ideas welcome. 6. Toggle View. Not working yet. I intend having 2 more views - Album Art and Lyrics. I'm also looking at adding support for the button that the standard handsfree has - as a volume control (3 preselcted levels in rotation) or to go to next song (1 click) and prev song (2 clicks). Any suggestions? Since I also have half a podcast manager built (which I couldn't finish in time for the competition) - I'm also looking at adding that support in the future. Feedback Required 1. Bug reports. 2. Artwork - Ideas / png's / whatever 3. Elementary help. I have a lot of questions. Here are a few :- a) How do I reduce the vert height of 1 entry in the genlist? Right now each line in the list is too high (almost 3 text lines high) - so I get only about 4 song names on the screen. Can I reduce the height to say 1.5 text line - 2 text line? b) How do I use the pager with a genlist? In my case the pager works - but it doesn't show the genlist - the buttons all show up though. c) Dialogs and progress bars. I know elementary doesn't have them - but can I make/have a simple ty solution for the time being? Oh! And I'm only adding .oga, .mp3, .m4a and wma files into the albums. Any other types I need to add? I'll upload the code to intone.googlecode.com soon. All feedback welcome. Thanks. intone_0.20_arm.ipk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS Thoughts
Timo Juhani Lindfors schrieb: Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de writes: 1.) anyone knows a was to get the coordinates of area codes? Openstreetmap has postal codes but not telephone area codes. Can you map postal codes to telephone area codes? 2.) anyone wants to try to code something in this direction? Wouldn't it be much easier to just improve opencellid.org so that at least all lac's are covered? 3.) is anyone interested in a program that would give agps the needed data (so perhaps when I get the time I will start coding :) ) There are already several programs to feed agps data. What new do you need? I use http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/matt_hsu/agps-online/ all these program need a gps position. I want a program that gets your rough location and feeds it to the agps program so that I do have to care about where I am and get the optimal results. Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS Thoughts
Timo Juhani Lindfors schrieb: Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de writes: all these program need a gps position. I want a program that gets your No they don't. agps-onlinec takes latitude and longitude. It does not need to come from GPS. I feed it the coordinates of the nearby gsm cell. but where do you get the gsm coordinates from? thats the whole point! we need something where we can get the rough location and i do not know anything. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AGPS Thoughts
Timo Juhani Lindfors schrieb: Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de writes: but where do you get the gsm coordinates from? thats the whole point! we need something where we can get the rough location and i do not know anything. From opencellid database. But that means that there has been anyone before and has mapped this cell. i think it is possible to get the rough location data for everwhere, independend from a community built database, like if you get the data from the lac or something else. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
AGPS Thoughts
Hi, I am on my way to make agps very useful, so I try to get information about how to get my rough location. The perfect way is the cellid you are in. You can get your location with an aberration of about 3km so you can use it for agps without problems. Another interesting fact is, that you have it everytime automatically. So how to get your location out of the cellid? One possibility is to get it from projects like cellhunter or opencellid or something. But whats about areas no has ever been? So I looked out for an alternative way. I live in germany so all about I am trying to do is working in germany and may be transferred to other countries, too. We have only 4 mobile phone carriers here in germany. O2 customers can get the location of the connected cell by using cellbroadcasting. So O2 customers have no problems. The data is broadcasted in the Gauß-Krüger-Format so you have to decode it and can use it. Last weekend I discovered that t-mobile uses the telephone area code as the mobile phone local area code (lac). So if you are in an area which uses 0571 / the lac will be 57XX (in hex). When you get the rough location for an area code then you can use it for agps, too. Eplus seems not to have any system in their lac's. I guess its numbered from north to south but this is not confirmed. I do not have a vodafone card so I have no information about it yet. After all O2 customers yould profit from the data for agps and when there is a way to get coordinates from area codes, tmobile customers as well. So we just have to code a rough location finder to get the most of agps. Why do I tell this all to you? I have some questions and perhaps you have some ideas and suggestions. 1.) anyone knows a was to get the coordinates of area codes? 2.) anyone wants to try to code something in this direction? 3.) is anyone interested in a program that would give agps the needed data (so perhaps when I get the time I will start coding :) ) That's all for now, I am very interested in your ideas. Greetings, Sebastian http://cellhunter.omoco.de http://opencellid.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no offline log any more
arne anka schrieb: Cellhunter tries to read out your $HOME variable. when NOT set it goes to /home/root (line 536) that seems to be a very strange fallback - where is root's home below /home/? so far i've seen it in oe only - why is the user root assumed? On every openmoko distro like fso or shr the user is root with home /home/root/ normally $home should be set. I think other programs will have problems too without this. /tmp is a bad idea because its only tmpfs and deleted everytime it boots up. but an other dir would be better, yes Sebastian a sane fallback would be /tmp, which usually exists everwhere and is r/w for everyone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no offline log any more
Tony Berth schrieb: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de mailto:list-openm...@omoco.de wrote: try to start it from the commandline with parameter -d cellhunter.py -d perhaps this will tell you more. Sebastian I did re-start the phone but still 'cellhunter' doesn't create a log file. Here is the outcome when running from command line: --- __init__ __init__ / checking for homedir __init__ / found homedir = /home/root __init__ / init config __init__ / init wget file __init__ / init dbus __init__ / init gtk main window main offline_mode offline_mode / offline=True check_cellid_auto check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 4 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 4 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid_auto / auto=1 check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 7 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D45 3 860 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 6 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 6 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D45 3 860 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 5 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 2 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms delete_event gui_destroy gui_destroy / sending AT+CREG=0\r\n gui_destroy / kill all old wgets - what does echo $HOME tell you? is /home/root/ accessable? Sebastian Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no offline log any more
arne anka schrieb: On every openmoko distro like fso or shr the user is root with home /home/root/ those are iirc all oe based -- debian is an om distro too, and it does not use /home/root/ but /root/. gentoo does so to iirc. /tmp is a bad idea because its only tmpfs and deleted everytime it boots up. and that's worse than silent failing? no, shurely not but an other dir would be better, yes sure, but which directory is available everwhere and can be presumed to be r/w to the every user? that was my problem when hacking together that code :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no offline log any more
Tony Berth schrieb: 2009/3/20 Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de mailto:list-openm...@omoco.de Tony Berth schrieb: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de mailto:list-openm...@omoco.de wrote: try to start it from the commandline with parameter -d cellhunter.py -d perhaps this will tell you more. Sebastian I did re-start the phone but still 'cellhunter' doesn't create a log file. Here is the outcome when running from command line: --- __init__ __init__ / checking for homedir __init__ / found homedir = /home/root __init__ / init config __init__ / init wget file __init__ / init dbus __init__ / init gtk main window main offline_mode offline_mode / offline=True check_cellid_auto check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 4 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 4 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid_auto / auto=1 check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 7 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D45 3 860 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 6 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 6 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D45 3 860 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 3 830 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms check_cellid check_cellid / 0181 E637 5 786 check_cellid / +COPS: 0,2,26203 check_cellid / Provider: 262 3 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DD9 4 990 check_cellid / neighbours: 0181 3D4F 2 796 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD 5DE3 5 986 check_cellid / neighbours: 02FD B563 5 801 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / neighbours: 2 0 check_cellid / FIX/TIME: No Fix / 0 / check_cellid / POS: / / check_serverresponse check_cellid / scheduling next check in 1 ms delete_event gui_destroy gui_destroy / sending AT+CREG=0\r\n gui_destroy / kill all old wgets - what does echo $HOME tell you? is /home/root/ accessable? Sebastian Thanks Tony yes indeed. 'echo $HOME' gives me 'home/root' and I can rwd anything there! Thanks Tony argl, got it now. could it be that auto submit is turned off? auto check only checks the cells but does not transmit them. only when transmitting the data is beeing sent / stored in offline file. you have to push: offline mode - auto submit - auto check more info at the manual at http://cellhunter.omoco.de Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no offline log any more
try to start it from the commandline with parameter -d cellhunter.py -d perhaps this will tell you more. Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no neighbouring cells
Pander schrieb: I verify that with the new SHR testing and the same cellhunter version, that cellhunter it is not reporting on neighbouring cells. mmh, i use shr testing without problems. did you upgrade (i did not)? the latest fso version requires the patch from jan. i will integrate it at on sunday i guess. Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Cellhunter] no neighbouring cells
Leonti Bielski schrieb: What does this patch do? Why Zhone shows neighbouring cells ok, and Cellhunter doesn't? cellhunter uses the dbus fso debug command zhone the dbus monitor feature the debug command fails with the latest fso, so the path fetches the information from the monitor interface. i will apply the patch as soon as i have the time to do it. Sebastian Leonti On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de wrote: Pander schrieb: I verify that with the new SHR testing and the same cellhunter version, that cellhunter it is not reporting on neighbouring cells. mmh, i use shr testing without problems. did you upgrade (i did not)? the latest fso version requires the patch from jan. i will integrate it at on sunday i guess. Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter
Jan Lübbe schrieb: Hi! I've changed cellhunter to use the FSO Monitor interface as DebugCommand is broken with the new parser. You can see my patches at: Hi, very cool. left the old debug command in only because lack of time and fso 4.x backward compatibility. what is the new parser exactly? which distro / fso version do you use? Sebastian http://git.sicherheitsschwankung.de/?p=jan/cellhunter.git In case you don't use version control, i can easily give you access to that repositiory. I'll also apply those patches in OE to get cellhunter working again. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1)
Debian package out now, thanks to petabyte. Sebastian Hammerl schrieb: Soon after releasing i found a bug causes cellhunter to freeze. Sorry for that, the fixed version 0.4.1 is out now! check out http://cellhunter.omoco.de Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.2)
Hi, I am interested. I will contact you directly. Sebastian Onen schrieb: Hallo Sebastian, as stated before, I think we should join our forces, to build only one GSM logger. I have the feeling we implement same things each on his side... Are you interested? Onen Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Just released 0.4.2 Changelog: now saving the type of the cell (serving or neighbour) this information is for some purpose very interesting. Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1)
Henri Valta schrieb: On Wednesday 25 February 2009 00:38:36 Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Soon after releasing i found a bug causes cellhunter to freeze. Sorry for that, the fixed version 0.4.1 is out now! check out http://cellhunter.omoco.de Sebastian Any possibility for updated debian package as well? -Henri Hi, because I don't know about debian I asked petabyte if he could create the package again. Until now I have no answer from him. I will upload it as soon i get it. Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenCellId : How to contribute simply with my moko ?
kimaidou schrieb: Ok, I did not zoom to the France map. But I counted only 9 cells for France in the list. I think we can do much more than this ! By the way, I am still wondering which application to use You could use CellHunter and then take the generated CSV file and upload it with a small script. Anyway I contacted the owner of opencellid and I am thinking about uploading all the cellhunter data. So if you tribute to cellhunter you will tribute to opencellid, too as soon as I have the time to upload. Sebastian Thx 2009/2/27 Ed Kapitein e...@kapitein.org mailto:e...@kapitein.org Hi Kimaidou, If you take a look at http://www.opencellid.org/cell/list and search for France, you will see a lot of cells. Kind regards, Ed On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 11:00 +0100, kimaidou wrote: Hi all, I read some emails on the list about cellhunter, opencellid and other projects. Since it is hard to get a conclusion by reading them, I would like to know how I can contribute easily to OpenCellid with my freerunner. I want to do it well (not only giving the cell id and gps location, but have enough metadata whichs describe the precision, the phone model (gta02rev6), etc. Is Cellhunter the best way to do it ? --If so, can I install it on my Hackable:1 (debian based) ? --If not, is there any finger friendly soft ? Since I saw there is currently no cell in France, I can talk to the french openmoko community and we can work on it ! Thanks in advance Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1)
Pander schrieb: Could you publish this also on opkg.org so that many user can install it directly? the debian package? i thought its for opkg's only. the opkg files is published there but i don't think the debian package has to be there. Sebastian Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Henri Valta schrieb: On Wednesday 25 February 2009 00:38:36 Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Soon after releasing i found a bug causes cellhunter to freeze. Sorry for that, the fixed version 0.4.1 is out now! check out http://cellhunter.omoco.de Sebastian Any possibility for updated debian package as well? -Henri Hi, because I don't know about debian I asked petabyte if he could create the package again. Until now I have no answer from him. I will upload it as soon i get it. Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1)
you find it here: http://www.opkg.org/package_111.html what do you want more? its ipk because all the official packages are ipk, too. its irrelevant how it ends because ipk=opk Sebastian Pander schrieb: no, the ipk, which I hope gets renamed to opk Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Pander schrieb: Could you publish this also on opkg.org so that many user can install it directly? the debian package? i thought its for opkg's only. the opkg files is published there but i don't think the debian package has to be there. Sebastian Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Henri Valta schrieb: On Wednesday 25 February 2009 00:38:36 Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Soon after releasing i found a bug causes cellhunter to freeze. Sorry for that, the fixed version 0.4.1 is out now! check out http://cellhunter.omoco.de Sebastian Any possibility for updated debian package as well? -Henri Hi, because I don't know about debian I asked petabyte if he could create the package again. Until now I have no answer from him. I will upload it as soon i get it. Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1)
mmh, i don't think it should be handled by the program. if you are using fso and want to use your telephone you always should have gsm up and running. look out for paroli or other gsm subsystem, it does not have to be zhone. sorry, but i do not want to mess around with the gsm subsystem. this will lead in more problems than it solves. Just alter the .desktop file or write a starter bash script. Sebastian Tim Niemeyer schrieb: Hallo Sebastian, is it possible that cellhunter requests the gsm resource and eventuelly asks for the pin, so that i don't have to run zhone all the time? Tim Niemeyer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenCellId : How to contribute simply with my moko ?
kimaidou schrieb: Hi all, I read some emails on the list about cellhunter, opencellid and other projects. Since it is hard to get a conclusion by reading them, I would like to know how I can contribute easily to OpenCellid with my freerunner. I want to do it well (not only giving the cell id and gps location, but have enough metadata whichs describe the precision, the phone model (gta02rev6), etc. Is Cellhunter the best way to do it ? --If so, can I install it on my Hackable:1 (debian based) ? you need the fso framework to run cellhunter. debian + fso works very well as far as i know Sebastian --If not, is there any finger friendly soft ? Since I saw there is currently no cell in France, I can talk to the french openmoko community and we can work on it ! Thanks in advance Kimaidou ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1)
Yeah, good question :) if you would have a complete database you can get your rough location. google uses this for a quick location info bevor gps gets a fix. or you can use it for agps. there you need a location in a range about 50km and that a cell can give you. cells range is about 1-10km so this is a good approximation. for the most location based services this location info is good enough. think about: give me a restaurant in the near or remind me when i am near this place. you dont have to wait until you get a fix and know in a second where you are. i hope thats enough motivation to build the database together. the best at the end: you get points on the highscore :) Sebastian Fernando Martins schrieb: Sebastian Hammerl wrote: I created a manual for cellhunter i hope it will help. you find it under the introduction on the cellhunter homepage. Allow me to display my ignorance and ask what is this cell info useful for? (no hint the wiki page) Fernando ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1)
Hi, the followin logic lies behind the buttons: check cellid: gets the cell and gps data submit data: when in online mode, the displayed data will be submitted, when in offline mode the data will be saved auto check cellid: push check cellid every x seconds auto submit data: upload directly after checking. like auto push submit button after auto pushing check button offline mode toggles where the data gets. on disk or directly to the server. so if you want collect offline every 10 seconds you have to push: offline mode, auto submit, auto check then it begins to save the data every 10 seconds on the disk i think that is what you want. in offline mode the serverstatus will display offline when in online mode it will be something like: new;430;57;357;4563;16504 that is your currents stats. new is the type of the last submitted main cell (not the neighbour cells) 430 is your count of new_gps cells 57 is new cells 357 is old_newgps cells 4563 is old_oldgps cells 16504 are your points i hope this helps you. Helge Hafting schrieb: Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Soon after releasing i found a bug causes cellhunter to freeze. Sorry for that, the fixed version 0.4.1 is out now! I have some problems using this app. When I move around through the cells, I don't have an internet connection. So I keep auto-submit off, and I assume I can press submit data once I get a net connection? This brings up the next problem. When Check cellID every XX seconds is on, the submit data button is grayed out. Why? For me, it looks like it is just to make the program more difficult to use. I can turn data collection off and submit an empty dataset, or I can collect data without being able to submit it? After much experimentation, I found that turning check cell ID off, the submit data button becomes active again. But does it actually do what I think it do? Will it submit all the data I have collected in the meantime? Some visual feedback would be nice. The display already show the cell I am in, the neighbours, and current position. It'd be nice to have something like this also: --- Collected data Cells | Neighbours | gps fixes Not yet submitted: 520 47 submitted to server: 1 4 1 --- In this case, I have started the program while connected to the net, and immediately submitted the cell at home. Then I have moved through 5 other cells that I have not yet submitted. If I then get a net connection and hit submit, I'd expect the display to change into: --- Collected data Cells | Neighbours | gps fixes Not yet submitted: 0 0 0 submitted to server: 624 48 --- The new data has now been sent and added to the running total. And there is no new information yet. If possible, it'd also be nice to see how much of the data is new. I.e. when talking to the server, get feedback about which cells weren't known already: --- Collected data Cells | Neighbours | gps fixes Not yet submitted: 0 0 0 submitted to server: 624 48 new to the server: 2 7 --- So, 6 cells submitted but only two were new. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1)
Forgot to tell: submit data is only for the visible data the check returns the last time. its a bit complicated right now i know. when i get the time i make it eaysier. i always wait for a gps fix with checking check cellid manually and then push: offline mode, auto submit, auto check Sebastian Hammerl schrieb: Hi, the followin logic lies behind the buttons: check cellid: gets the cell and gps data submit data: when in online mode, the displayed data will be submitted, when in offline mode the data will be saved auto check cellid: push check cellid every x seconds auto submit data: upload directly after checking. like auto push submit button after auto pushing check button offline mode toggles where the data gets. on disk or directly to the server. so if you want collect offline every 10 seconds you have to push: offline mode, auto submit, auto check then it begins to save the data every 10 seconds on the disk i think that is what you want. in offline mode the serverstatus will display offline when in online mode it will be something like: new;430;57;357;4563;16504 that is your currents stats. new is the type of the last submitted main cell (not the neighbour cells) 430 is your count of new_gps cells 57 is new cells 357 is old_newgps cells 4563 is old_oldgps cells 16504 are your points i hope this helps you. Helge Hafting schrieb: Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Soon after releasing i found a bug causes cellhunter to freeze. Sorry for that, the fixed version 0.4.1 is out now! I have some problems using this app. When I move around through the cells, I don't have an internet connection. So I keep auto-submit off, and I assume I can press submit data once I get a net connection? This brings up the next problem. When Check cellID every XX seconds is on, the submit data button is grayed out. Why? For me, it looks like it is just to make the program more difficult to use. I can turn data collection off and submit an empty dataset, or I can collect data without being able to submit it? After much experimentation, I found that turning check cell ID off, the submit data button becomes active again. But does it actually do what I think it do? Will it submit all the data I have collected in the meantime? Some visual feedback would be nice. The display already show the cell I am in, the neighbours, and current position. It'd be nice to have something like this also: --- Collected data Cells | Neighbours | gps fixes Not yet submitted: 520 47 submitted to server: 1 4 1 --- In this case, I have started the program while connected to the net, and immediately submitted the cell at home. Then I have moved through 5 other cells that I have not yet submitted. If I then get a net connection and hit submit, I'd expect the display to change into: --- Collected data Cells | Neighbours | gps fixes Not yet submitted: 0 0 0 submitted to server: 624 48 --- The new data has now been sent and added to the running total. And there is no new information yet. If possible, it'd also be nice to see how much of the data is new. I.e. when talking to the server, get feedback about which cells weren't known already: --- Collected data Cells | Neighbours | gps fixes Not yet submitted: 0 0 0 submitted to server: 624 48 new to the server: 2 7 --- So, 6 cells submitted but only two were new. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1)
I created a manual for cellhunter i hope it will help. you find it under the introduction on the cellhunter homepage. Sebastian Helge Hafting schrieb: Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Soon after releasing i found a bug causes cellhunter to freeze. Sorry for that, the fixed version 0.4.1 is out now! I have some problems using this app. When I move around through the cells, I don't have an internet connection. So I keep auto-submit off, and I assume I can press submit data once I get a net connection? This brings up the next problem. When Check cellID every XX seconds is on, the submit data button is grayed out. Why? For me, it looks like it is just to make the program more difficult to use. I can turn data collection off and submit an empty dataset, or I can collect data without being able to submit it? After much experimentation, I found that turning check cell ID off, the submit data button becomes active again. But does it actually do what I think it do? Will it submit all the data I have collected in the meantime? Some visual feedback would be nice. The display already show the cell I am in, the neighbours, and current position. It'd be nice to have something like this also: --- Collected data Cells | Neighbours | gps fixes Not yet submitted: 520 47 submitted to server: 1 4 1 --- In this case, I have started the program while connected to the net, and immediately submitted the cell at home. Then I have moved through 5 other cells that I have not yet submitted. If I then get a net connection and hit submit, I'd expect the display to change into: --- Collected data Cells | Neighbours | gps fixes Not yet submitted: 0 0 0 submitted to server: 624 48 --- The new data has now been sent and added to the running total. And there is no new information yet. If possible, it'd also be nice to see how much of the data is new. I.e. when talking to the server, get feedback about which cells weren't known already: --- Collected data Cells | Neighbours | gps fixes Not yet submitted: 0 0 0 submitted to server: 624 48 new to the server: 2 7 --- So, 6 cells submitted but only two were new. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Voicenote - New version = 0.2
kimaidou schrieb: I forgot to tell : Since I renamed the script from voicenote.sh to voicenote, you have to uninstall the version 0.1 and then install 0.2. You can do it by: opkg remove voicenote --autoremove for me updating removes the old files. but i had to change #/bin/bash to #/bin/sh because i had no bash installed. perhaps you could change it, /bin/sh works, too Sebastian 2009/2/24 kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com mailto:kimai...@gmail.com Hi all, I have made some modifications to voicenote : 2009-02-24 - v0.2 2nd version: * GPL license added * the user can select the wave files destination folder at the first startup (and then modify it in the file ~/.voicenote/voicenote.cfg * the wave file is now recorded in mono at 8000 kHz (which saves a lot of CPU and bytes) * addition of comments in the script * the script is called voicenote, and not anymore voicenote.sh You can install it by following the instructions on opkg.org http://opkg.org (1) or in the wiki page (2) (1) http://www.opkg.org/package_140.html (2) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voicenote ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1)
Soon after releasing i found a bug causes cellhunter to freeze. Sorry for that, the fixed version 0.4.1 is out now! check out http://cellhunter.omoco.de Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter (Update 0.4.1)
Stefan Schmidt schrieb:
Hello.
On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 23:38, Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
Soon after releasing i found a bug causes cellhunter to freeze.
Sorry for that, the fixed version 0.4.1 is out now!
Bugfix releases are always good. Pushed and the autobuilder should take care
that it pops up in the feed the next hours.
BTW, during the build I get some QA comments from bitbake about the desktop
file. Perhaps worth to fix, not critical though.
ERROR: QA Issue:
/home/stefan/Projekte/OpenEmbedded/build/openmoko/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/cellhunter-0.4.1-r0/install/cellhunter/usr/share/applications/cellhunter.desktop:
warning: key Encoding in group Desktop Entry is deprecated
ERROR: QA Issue:
/home/stefan/Projekte/OpenEmbedded/build/openmoko/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/cellhunter-0.4.1-r0/install/cellhunter/usr/share/applications/cellhunter.desktop:
warning: value cellhunter.png for key Icon in group Desktop Entry is an
icon name with an extension, but there should be no extension as described in
the Icon Theme Specification if the value is not an absolute path
ERROR: QA Issue:
/home/stefan/Projekte/OpenEmbedded/build/openmoko/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/cellhunter-0.4.1-r0/install/cellhunter/usr/share/applications/cellhunter.desktop:
error: value Applications for string list key Categories in group Desktop
Entry does not have a semicolon (';') as trailing character
ERROR: QA Issue:
/home/stefan/Projekte/OpenEmbedded/build/openmoko/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/cellhunter-0.4.1-r0/install/cellhunter/usr/share/applications/cellhunter.desktop:
error: file contains key SingleInstance in group Desktop Entry, but keys
extending the format should start with X-
i will take care of it in the next release, i think its not worth enough
for its own :)
regards
Stefan Schmidt
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Re: Introducing CellHunter
Version 0.4.0 is out, check http://cellhunter.omoco.de Now submitting arfcn, too (Thanks for this useful information to Harald Welte). Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter
Stefan Schmidt schrieb: Hello. Combining the collection of the date with the fun of a game, even outside, is nice. On Sun, 2009-02-22 at 01:16, Sebastian Hammerl wrote: You get ready to run FSO and debian packages on the homepage [2]. I was thinking about putting a recipe for this package into OE so we can build it for the FSO feeds for easy install and including into images. You ipk contains some more files besides the python script for what I can find a link on your homepage Namely an upload script, an icon and a desktop file. Putting them all into a versioned tarball would make my life a lot easier. (Perhaps even some distutils for a sane install?) Is this something I could talk you into? :) Hi, just all the files in one tarball with the right directory structure? That would be no problem. If so please tell me or tell me what to do else and you will get it. Sebastian regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter
Stefan Schmidt schrieb: Hello. On Sun, 2009-02-22 at 13:01, Sebastian Hammerl wrote: Stefan Schmidt schrieb: Putting them all into a versioned tarball would make my life a lot easier. (Perhaps even some distutils for a sane install?) Is this something I could talk you into? :) just all the files in one tarball with the right directory structure? That would be no problem. If so please tell me or tell me what to do else and you will get it. As it is a small package I see two options: a) A tarball with all files in one flat dir. No directory structure needed. I would then let OE install the files in the proper locations while building the ipk. b) A real distutils package where distutils know about the places, etc. May be not needed from your side as you only have 4 files. Makes packager life easier, but for this one I'm also fine with option a. In both cases please make sure that the tarball has the version number included in his name like other release tarballs. Something like this: cellhunter-0.3.1.tar.gz So you want something like this: http://78.47.116.33/~hole/cellhunter/files/cellhunter-0.3.1.tar.gz Thanks. regards Stefan Schmidt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing CellHunter
onen...@free.fr schrieb: Hallo Sebastian, as stated in a previous thread, I have been working on a logger of GPS/GSM data, for the openBmap project [1]. I was almost done when discovering through community updates the existence of your project. I decided to release before getting in touch with you. I had a look at your code. Please correct me if I am wrong. You send direct AT commands to the device, and do not use DBus FSO API? If so do you intend to keep it this way? I started coding with fso 4.1 and there was no possibility to get all the information i need (as far as i know). With fso 5 it should be possible to use the built in dbus commands. I send at command via the fso debug commands and catch the results. In my logger, I use the DBus API. Thus I thought that we could try to build a common engine, and put GUIs on top of it. My idea would be to have an engine based on FSO API. On top of it have your game aspect. Stefan also pointed out that we could have the GSM/GPS logger + positioning system as a framework daemon. (please correct me if I misunderstood). What do you think? Source code is in the package[2], as it is Python based. [1] http://realtimeblog.free.fr/ [2] http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=218065package_id=310952 Onen Quoting Sebastian Hammerl list-openm...@omoco.de: Hi, now I find the time to post on the community mailinglist and like to (already mentioned here) introduce myself and CellHunter. I am student right now and got together with some friends and imagined that we could have fun with cellids and games based on there cells. But for this we need a database to work on and so i started the project CellHunter [1]. CellHunter is a game where you collect cellids together with the gps position you received this cell. You are working in teams and get points for each cell you submit. The score for the submitted cell depends on the type of cell if it is already known or brand new. More about the point system on the homepage [2]. Right know the CellHunter database contains about 45 entries with ~9000 unique cells. 35 teams active and we get new cells everyday. I know that there a several other cell databases and i contacted opencellid two days ago and will contribute. Others are welcome to contact me. The license of the data is discussed at the moment, i think it will be cc-by-sa but because this project is very new and grows faster than i expected i just want to check available licenses and their pros and cons. The idea to create a database of cells is not new but to combine it with a game is something that motivates people to contribute. Here are some technical details about CellHunter: - offline and online logging of cells - logging of the main and up to 6 neighbourcells your mobile phone sees - statistcs displayed right on your freerunner - data displayable in google maps and osm - browsing osm cell map with dynamically loaded cell locations - export as kml / csv of the whole db or by team - teams of submitters with infotext about the group on the homepage - gui availabe in german and english Most of the already collected cells are located in germany and i would like to see some other countries to start their teams and collect points. You get ready to run FSO and debian packages on the homepage [2]. If you have any ideas or suggestions i would like to hear them. For german users: we discuss cellhunter at the freeyourphone forums [3] Greetings, Sebastian [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter [2] http://cellhunter.omoco.de [3] http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=9t=865 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Introducing CellHunter
Hi, now I find the time to post on the community mailinglist and like to (already mentioned here) introduce myself and CellHunter. I am student right now and got together with some friends and imagined that we could have fun with cellids and games based on there cells. But for this we need a database to work on and so i started the project CellHunter [1]. CellHunter is a game where you collect cellids together with the gps position you received this cell. You are working in teams and get points for each cell you submit. The score for the submitted cell depends on the type of cell if it is already known or brand new. More about the point system on the homepage [2]. Right know the CellHunter database contains about 45 entries with ~9000 unique cells. 35 teams active and we get new cells everyday. I know that there a several other cell databases and i contacted opencellid two days ago and will contribute. Others are welcome to contact me. The license of the data is discussed at the moment, i think it will be cc-by-sa but because this project is very new and grows faster than i expected i just want to check available licenses and their pros and cons. The idea to create a database of cells is not new but to combine it with a game is something that motivates people to contribute. Here are some technical details about CellHunter: - offline and online logging of cells - logging of the main and up to 6 neighbourcells your mobile phone sees - statistcs displayed right on your freerunner - data displayable in google maps and osm - browsing osm cell map with dynamically loaded cell locations - export as kml / csv of the whole db or by team - teams of submitters with infotext about the group on the homepage - gui availabe in german and english Most of the already collected cells are located in germany and i would like to see some other countries to start their teams and collect points. You get ready to run FSO and debian packages on the homepage [2]. If you have any ideas or suggestions i would like to hear them. For german users: we discuss cellhunter at the freeyourphone forums [3] Greetings, Sebastian [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter [2] http://cellhunter.omoco.de [3] http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=9t=865 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner...when??
did the production start? or are there any more news about the date? Sebastian steve schrieb: I gave a short update. Production is slated to start prior to May 16, I don't have an exact date, yet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:05 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Freerunner...when?? steve wrote: Yes, A Sunday preview of my Monday update. Am I wrong or we didn't get any Monday update this week? :P Something more than a preview, Steve? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki distorted in Firefox 3?
i have the same problem, but with opera James Olney schrieb: I have this problem as well. my screen res is only 1024x768 2008/5/5 Tomas Gustavsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm running Firefox 3 Beta 5 in Ubuntu 8.04 and the OpenMoko wiki menu (the one to the left) is placed a long way down (instead of at the top). Is this a Firefox bug or a css problem? /Tomas tomplast ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
mmmh, i would like the extra, especially the pouch. but i also like to buy in germany because of the warranty etc. any statement from steve? Sebastian Flemming Richter Mikkelsen schrieb: On 4/26/08, Sebastian Hammerl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only a dump question: when i buy from a reseller in germany, the reseller bought about some hundred pieces in ten packs. so will i get the 10-pack-version when i only buy one? the reseller bought only x*10-packs so he should always get the extra. It is not a dump question! This is something you should ask your reseller about. I am not even sure if the resellers get the extra stuff, since I think it was meant as a special bonus for people that make a group order. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
only a dump question: when i buy from a reseller in germany, the reseller bought about some hundred pieces in ten packs. so will i get the 10-pack-version when i only buy one? the reseller bought only x*10-packs so he should always get the extra. Sebastian steve schrieb: I decided to do something EXTRA for the groups of people who are uniting to execute a group sales. Every 10 pack, will come with a box of stuff. 10 pouches and 10 head sets. So if you join a group sales organization and buy with other people, then the 10 pack will include these extras. Sean and I are so happy with the way the community is coming together around this idea of group sales that it just made sense. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Group Order Germany, NRW, Bielefeld
Hi, anyone near Bielefeld, NRW, Germany who wants to join our group to get the extras? please put your contact details on the wiki site ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Bielefeld ) ...cannot wait for freerunner, Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery 2300mAh
i bought a maxpower accu from ebay for my siemens s55 and the written power is incorrect. it says 2500mAh and does not power my mobile longer than a 700mAh akku. i guess the true power ist about 500mAh. so i cannot recommend this accu. perhaps this type is better but i don't think so. Sebastian simarillion schrieb: Hi guys, would it be possible to use or even charge this battery which is identical in construction to the Nokia Batteries?: http://www.amazon.de/Power-Akku-Baugleich-BL-5C-BL5C/dp/B000L11VF6/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8s=ce-deqid=1208966723sr=8-4 I only found it on the german site. I think its really cheap and it comes with a 24 months warranty. Best regards Michael Tansella ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new main page of our wiki
i have blue links :( Andrea Debortoli schrieb: 2008/4/17, NeoSleg [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can you really read this ? http://www.tsleg.com/upload/data/LGK2_newiki.PNG The blue links over grey background are not readable to me links appear orange!!...they seem great!! good job! Firefox 2 on Windows XP (I'm at work :( ) On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:26:08 +0200, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/17/08, rakshat hooja [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please remove the black from the tables. its very tough to read the page with strong colours. Otherwise its nice. I do not agree. I really love the black background. It makes it easy to read:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LCD protector
i wrote to the shop of nexave.de (german shop for screen protectors) and they would sale a special freerunner protector and also make custom protectors. they told me that the protectors of the nokia n95 would fit for the freerunner. i think with enough people who want to by a protector they will add the protector to their shop or make a good price. Sebastian Ajit Natarajan schrieb: Hello, A friend of mine who owns an iPhone purchased an LCD protector. It is a sheet of clear material cut to the dimensions of the LCD screen. When affixed to the screen, it doesn't affect touch screen operation. However, it resists scratching and fingerprints can simply be wiped off. Is this something that will be needed on the Freerunner? Or does the Freerunner come with a scratch resistant screen/coating? If a protector is needed, will there be an option to purchase it? My friend told me that one needs to be careful when affixing the protector, or ``bubbles'' will result. It would be great if instructions could be included with the protector on the best technique to affix it. Thanks. Ajit ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: OpenMoko 2007.2 on Palm TX
Luis Hermosilla schrieb: Hi! Can you tell me step by step, how do i install Openmoko in my Palm Tx please I'm new in linux, please help me...Thanks http://zefanja.blogspot.com/2007/09/openmoko-20072-on-palm-tx.html here its explained - does work i tried it myself no need for hard reset for me, you can just start openmoko and after a reset palm os is back its not very fast and does not make fun, but it is interesting that it works greets, Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fwd: OpenMoko 2007.2 on Palm TX
i dont know anymore the exact steps try looking in the config files and search with google at all it openmoko is not usable and it is a very old version.i played 1 minute with it and then deleted it. i cannot recommend to take the time for this experiment. it nice to see someone got it to work but not more. Sebastian Luis Hermosilla schrieb: HI!!! I've problems with Cocoboot, i did all taht the blog says but, cocoboot needs zImage The kernel is in the SD root The image (i change the name ti rootfs.ext2 like the blog say) and save in /linux directory on SD But Cocoboot don't reconize nothing...can you help me? Thanks!!! 2008/4/1, Sebastian Hammerl [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Luis Hermosilla schrieb: Hi! Can you tell me step by step, how do i install Openmoko in my Palm Tx please I'm new in linux, please help me...Thanks http://zefanja.blogspot.com/2007/09/openmoko-20072-on-palm-tx.html here its explained - does work i tried it myself no need for hard reset for me, you can just start openmoko and after a reset palm os is back its not very fast and does not make fun, but it is interesting that it works greets, Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=16826 they got the tomtom applikation running on zaurus linux Sebastian Hammerl schrieb: Hi, as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. http://opentom.org/ - Projekt runnling apps on the TomTom Device. Why not do it the other way? Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
TomTom on Openmoko?
Hi, as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. http://opentom.org/ - Projekt runnling apps on the TomTom Device. Why not do it the other way? Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Joseph Reeves schrieb: Navigation and OSM data submittal? What's wrong with tangogps? Sounds like it already does what you ask for: it is NOT a navigation software and it will take long time to get it really stable. tomtom is really good software and the maps are really better. http://www.tangogps.org/ Joseph On 27/03/2008, ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for the openmoko, and I personally know many persons that would also pay extra money to have a navigator on a phone. We have various possibilities: we could try to make some sort of deal with TomTom, write our own system based on OSM (and btw we could let the openmokos submit data to osm at the same time to increase accuracy), or (and that's my favorite) we could try to make something based on google maps/earth. The whole engime is already there[1], as are also the maps. Just make some changes to add gps capabilities, and it's great! 2008/3/27 Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Christ van Willegen napisa?: Hi, On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sebastian Hammerl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. Why not use tangoGPS and OpenStreetMap maps? Because OSM maps suxx? Lack details, lack streets, lack too many things to be usable? OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace commercial maps. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant We're here to give you a computer, not a religion. -- Bob Pariseau, at the introduction of the Amiga ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- [1]http://www.google.com/gmm/index.html -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
