Re: [2008.x] GPRS Instructions on the Wiki
Joel Newkirk wrote: What irritates me the most is that I have unlimited data, but T-Mobile still charges me $0.15 per text message since I don't pay the $5 or whatever per month for a messaging bundle. Most irrititatingly, though, if the message has an image or sound file attached, the multimedia message comes out of data instead of text messaging, so it's free. (and I can't currently attach images/sounds to messages with my FR) This is the nature of MMS. I believe it's basically a SMS with a pointer to the content which is kept on your carrier's HTTP server which is downloaded via WAP. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2008.8 - testing] - no desktop icons any more.
Icons are also kept in /usr/share/applications so mount a jffs image on loopback and copy them across. The only thing I can suggest for the illume problem (clock,battery,signal widgets) is that you run illume config and disable and enable them until it looks right... -Nick Benedikt Schindler wrote: hi, is someone on the testing tree of the 2008.8 distro, and solved the icon problem yet? i upgraded to the latest testing 2008.8 packages. I know that there is a problem with the splash screen at boot up, that isn't solved yet. so i disabled the boot screen (btw: that saves 10 seconds boot time) But now i don't have any desktop icons. also the clock-, battery- and signal-panel is at one place now. i restored the old ~/.e directory but that didn't changed anything. some ideas? thx beni ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMooCow 0.1
I was about to put this on the wiki but I was thinking, would this be classified as a 'game'? It's the closest category to toy IMO [1]. -Nick 1. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications Thomas White wrote: I'm pleased to be able to announce version 0.1 of my advanced accelerometer and audio framework testing system, OpenMooCow. Available from http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~taw27/openmoko/openmoocow/ When installed and run, OpenMooCow displays an artistic rendition of a fine specimen of Friesian dairy cattle. Invert the device and return it to an upright orientation to experience the pinnacle of audio rendering kwality. The sound effect can be altered by putting a suitable WAV file in /usr/share/openmoocow/moo.wav. A credit is due to Chris Hendricks who is the author of the original sound file (obtained from www.flashkit.com). Comments/abuse to this address. Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OpenMooCow 0.1
This has now shot to my favourite app. I wonder if we could make the 'moo' earlier. I assume you're trying to replicate those little toys that make the same kind of noise when you do the same thing. Otherwise I agree with Craig though - it really should be OpenMooKow ;-) -Nick Thomas White wrote: I'm pleased to be able to announce version 0.1 of my advanced accelerometer and audio framework testing system, OpenMooCow. Available from http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~taw27/openmoko/openmoocow/ When installed and run, OpenMooCow displays an artistic rendition of a fine specimen of Friesian dairy cattle. Invert the device and return it to an upright orientation to experience the pinnacle of audio rendering kwality. The sound effect can be altered by putting a suitable WAV file in /usr/share/openmoocow/moo.wav. A credit is due to Chris Hendricks who is the author of the original sound file (obtained from www.flashkit.com). Comments/abuse to this address. Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wiimote + electric guitar
Can somebody smarter than I work out how we do this? http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/15/wiimote-strapped-on-guitar-for-wild-effects-whammy-bar-gets-tot/ Thanks :-) Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] How to export Vcf Contacts from FR?
Vasco I've put your contribution up on the wiki. Once step closer to
working out the export. Also in the discussion I've asked for thoughts
on either moving 'exporting' to a new page or rename the current one.
What do you think?
-Nick
Vasco Névoa wrote:
Great! Now I know which client to use, let's play!!! :)
I've spent 15 minutes reviving my SQL (which I had forgotten for at
least 5 years), and this is what I have so far:
*
sqlite3 /home/root/Applications/Qtopia/qtopia_db.sqlite 'Select distinct
nickname, title, firstname, middlename, lastname, suffix, profession,
b_webpage, company, office, department, jobtitle, default_email,
phone_number, h_webpage, spouse, gender, birthday, anniversary from
contacts, contactphonenumbers where
contacts.recid=contactphonenumbers.recid;' | sed 's/|/\t/g'
addressbook.txt
*
This creates an addressbook tab-delimited-file with all the fields I
thought where important for each contact (some info may be missing,
check the columns and tables).
Each contact that has more than one phone number will appear multiple
times because I haven't yet come up with a clean way to show the join
between the contacts and contactphonenumbers tables, so for now it
just duplicates the whole line, with the only difference being the phone
number.
Anyone versed in SQL will be able to hack this into a full VCF file
generator... or you can just go the Python way (but I prefer to use the
nice tools already in place) :)
Your turn! ;)
Paul wrote:
Hey Vasco,
You mean creating VCF's from the sqlite-data in a backup?
Would be interesting to play with. I could envision a slq-script that
dumps the data into a file and then a bash or python script that puts
things in the proper format. That's not too difficult, if sqlite plays
nice.
I had thought about that too, but I can't find an SQLite client in OM
repos to create the necessary script.
How can we talk to SQLite on OM without going the full C/C++ and
respective libs way? Python maybe?...
I found sqlite3 on my desktop pc, which makes things a lot easier. I
think that is included on anyone's Linux box these days, and on
www.sqlite.com/download there are also precompiled binaries for Mac and
Windows. You need sqlite version 3 for the .sqlite files on the FR.
I've been playing a bit with it: copied a .sqlite file from the
Freerunner to my machine and using sqlite3 I can pull information from
it quite easily:
echo .tables | sqlite3 qtopia_db.sqlite
appointmentcategories contactpresence mimeTypeMapping
appointmentcustom contactspimdependencies
appointmentexceptions content servicehistory
appointmentscontentPropssimcardidmap
callhistory currentsimcard simlabelidmap
callhistorytimezone databaseProperties sqlsources
categories defaultMimeApplication syncServers
categoryringtoneemailaddresses taskcategories
changelog favoriteservicestaskcustom
contactaddressesgoogleidtasks
contactcategories locationLookup versioninfo
contactcustom mapCategoryToContent
contactphonenumbers mimeTypeLookup
echo .dump contactphonenumbers | sqlite3 qtopia_db.sqlite
BEGIN TRANSACTION;
CREATE TABLE contactphonenumbers ( phone_number VARCHAR(100) NOT
NULL, recid INTEGER, phone_type INTEGER, FOREIGN KEY(recid)
REFERENCES contacts(recid) );
INSERT INTO contactphonenumbers VALUES('04x875',83886113,1);
INSERT INTO contactphonenumbers VALUES('07x693',83886209,1);
INSERT INTO contactphonenumbers VALUES('+3167678',83886277,257);
INSERT INTO contactphonenumbers VALUES('049275',83886193,1);
INSERT INTO contactphonenumbers VALUES('118',83886361,1);
INSERT INTO contactphonenumbers VALUES('+316244',83886365,1);
INSERT INTO contactphonenumbers VALUES('+3162233',83886357,1);
CREATE INDEX contactphonenumbersbytype ON contactphonenumbers
(phone_type, phone_number);
CREATE INDEX contactphonenumbersindex ON contactphonenumbers (recid);
CREATE INDEX contactphonenumbersnumbers ON contactphonenumbers
(phone_number, recid);
CREATE INDEX contactphnenumberscontacts ON contactphonenumbers (recid,
phone_number);
COMMIT;
I can imagine a python script on the desktop/laptop that would read all
the dumps, disect all the insert statements, combine the information
based on the recid attribute and after pulling all that together, write
out Vcards.
Note that I am using qtopia. I am not certain if the structure on
OM2008.x is identical. If that is the case, I can imagine a config file
per distribution, mapping attribute-names to the necessary Vcard
entries. (I have a lot of imagination.)
UBIFS was Re: Compressed file system for SD?
I haven't sorry. Coincidentaly, the new kernel which was released the other day (.27) includes a new filesystem designed for flash drives - UBIFS [1]. I wonder if this could be relevant to this project. It looks like it has full write-back support, meaning it doesn't need to write to the SD card all the time, although I guess we don't have that much memory to play with. -Nick 1. http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27#head-b8ec452c4a02e08d68deeba6f471680e15e42019 http://lwn.net/Articles/276025/ http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27Stefan Monnier wrote: The jffs filesystem used on the NAND is compressing, which is great for our use case. For the SD that would also be very desirable (especially with the provided 512MB µSD), but it seems that ext3 is the filesystem of choice there. Has someone tried to use a compressing filesystem there? Stefan PS: I've used jffs2 on a USB drive (through block2mtd) and it works, but it's inefficient (because of block2mtd) and it's not clear how/if it would work here (it went through an initrd); but a basic x86 Debian install (for rescue, but including gcc to compile extra packages) fits just fine in 256MB this way, so 512MB would be plenty. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: UBIFS was Re: Compressed file system for SD?
Bummer. Upon further reading I see the difference in flash devices now. Do you think UBIFS could replace JFFS on the Freerunner? Is there a benefit? Or is there not enough wiggle room on the FR for caching? It seems better overall [1]. Would it be possible to replace it yourself with the appropriate kernel modules etc? Ok enough questions ;-) -Nick 1. http://lwn.net/Articles/275706/ Lorn Potter wrote: nickd wrote: I haven't sorry. Coincidentaly, the new kernel which was released the other day (.27) includes a new filesystem designed for flash drives - UBIFS [1]. I wonder if this could be relevant to this project. It looks like it has full write-back support, meaning it doesn't need to write to the SD card all the time, although I guess we don't have that much memory to play with. ubifs wont work on sd cards, which are not true flash devices. but it is relevant and could replace jffs2. Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, Qt Software, Nokia Pty Ltd ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LED notification
No. You can get it to stay on but not flash, and this will kill the battery. Here's what Andy (kernel dev) said: It's possible to leave a GTA02 LED lit during suspend, but without waking-suspending each time, from PMU RTC interrupt for example, not to have it blink. It sounds a pretty hairy thing to attempt and it will halve suspend life at least to have an LED lit during it. from: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-October/032608.html -Nick Jason Cawood wrote: What I think I didn't communicate very well is: 1. phone is in suspend mode. 2. GSM wakes phone for sms notification 3. screen blanks after timeout 4. LED blinks while phone is not in suspend. Would that be a possible solution? On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 23:51 +, zing wrote: On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:21:08 -0600, Jason Cawood wrote: Someone posted awhile back and asked about a blinking LED to notify that was me :) missed call or message and someone responded with can't do it when the phone is suspended. In the current state, if you don't have your setting to suspend automatically, wouldn't the phone wake up from suspended mode to notify of an event? and while in that state, couldn't we make the LED blink? My understanding was that blinking in suspend mode is no go (or at least not exactly battery efficient because you'd need to wake/blink/suspend/ wash/rinse/repeat), but brightness fully on during suspend was possible (eating into your battery though also.) AIUI. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
Looks excellent! Can't seem to get suspend to work though. Is it because it's missing 'apm' or something? Also, would it be hard to port this to 2009.9? Is it more than a change of edje files? -Nick Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: In the enlightenment archives there's a new Rasterman image: - openmoko-illume-image-glibc-ipk--20080929-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 [1] It looks so cool with the new illume theme [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], but practically it has no telephony related software installed in since it seems a simple OE built with these scripts [7], so (I figure) that you're free to put in both the FSO and/or the Om2008.8 stack, just install the needed packages! Bye. [1] http://download.enlightenment.org/misc/Illume/ [2] http://forum.telefoninux.org/index.php/topic,533.0/topicseen.html [3] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-01.ogg [4] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-02.ogg [5] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-03.ogg [6] http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-04.ogg [7] http://www.rasterman.com/files/oe-setup.tar.gz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: rescue my freerunner
Sergey Alembekov wrote: Hi, all. I played with network setting (add gprs on boot) and now my FR stuck in the middle of booting and i can't access via ssh throught usb. I don't whant to flash the rootfs becouse have no backup. So how can i rescue it? Sorry, if it FAQ question. Worst case scenario, you might be able to create a backup of your rootfs (dfu-util -a rootfs -R -U backup_rootfs.jffs) and mount the image on loopback [1] and transfer your home directory back onto your Freerunner. Maybe you could back it up onto your computer, mount on loopback, edit offending line, create jffs image, and reflash? Or maybe there is a single user mode you could access somehow. -Nick 1. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mount_on_loopback_device ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: email
Have you tried to use the default Qtopia Messages client? I see it has room for emails but I havne't tested it myself. -Nick William Kenworthy wrote: Is there a reasonable email client for the FR ASU? qtmail sucks - its been ~20 hours and it still hasnt finished syncing my mail boxes :( I tried claws on 2007.2 - interface couldnt handle the screen. What else is there? BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9] ekiga - or something like...
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Linphone I can make it call Ekiga on another computer but it looks like this configuration is for the headset which I have misplaced. It comes installed and configured with FDOM and I assume it was configured as per the instructions in the wiki. -Nick Davide Scaini wrote: I want ekiga on my fr... Is there something already packaged? If not can you link me some infos to build ipk packages from sources? thanks d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Development environment suggestion ?
Excellent idea. Qtopia already has a VMWare image that you can use to develop Qtopia applications [1] but I haven't heard of anything else. I would love to see this. -Nick 1. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=4 Andreas Wallin wrote: Hello community lists ! I just read the mail call for community action I would make som suggestions for making developing openmoko software more easy. Why not create some virtual machines with all compilingtools and needed software installed to get ready for bugfixing/developing openmoko softwares. This may be virtualbox images.. Nothing fancy, just ubuntu with toolchain, maybe even a ready eclipse version. Publish this by torrents, Maybe even with good to go software used during development. I spent lots of time before i got a working environment to develop/debug my openmoko in. greetings ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FDOM] new release 20080927
That's how Duke has to run. As for the quitting bit, see if it's your
sound - follow the directions on the wiki to turn off in-game sound [1].
Or run it from the console and check the output. It could also be the
accelerometers (check with hexdump /dev/input/event{2,3}).
-Nick
1. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_3D
Yorick Moko wrote:
first of all: nice work!
I installed FDOM on the SD card and encountered two very annoying
bugs in this release:
1. ifconfig does not see any usb0
ifup usb0 gives some errors about no such device
this means i can't ssh in
2. when trying to launch duke 3d it rotates the screen, changes the
resolution, and shows the loading icon, but then just quits and
returns back to normal
another person on IRC has the exact same problems (he flashed it to
internal flash)
y
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Antony King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've uploaded this to our mirror on
http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Mirrors
- David Samblas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
on http://compartida.net/openmoko/FDOM/ you have disponible the new
FDOM
release.
I have just erase previous release because there are some annoying
bugs
withs calls and no sound.
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[FDOM] Ye olde no sound after resume
Flashed the latest copy of FDOM today and I'm having this [1] problem again. Anyone else experiencing problems or just me? Fix for me was uninstalling speech-dispatcher and rebooting. -Nick 1. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1599 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distribution choice
It was recently modified so it can also run over X11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QtopiaOnX11 http://trolltech.com/developer/downloads/qt/x11 -Nick Neil Jerram wrote: I think I read somewhere that Qtopia doesn't use X11, and instead writes direct to the framebuffer - which I think would make it an exception to the above statement. Is that correct? Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast dfu-util for Mac?
Sarton look into running Linux inside VirtualBox. I believe it gives you direct access to all USB devices. Will cut 1hr down to a few minutes. -Nick Sarton O'Brien wrote: On Tuesday 16 September 2008 06:27:59 Linus Gasser wrote: Hello all, another question: if I boot the jffs from FDOM (97MB), it takes nearly 15 minutes on my Mac with the dfu-util from http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Flasher I heard somebody complain about the same issue on Windows. Is there another solution than to install Linux on my Mac? Anybody? No, the windows issue was more like 1 hour :S That's a pretty typical time for flashing the rootfs. Sarton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Swype - Jaw dropping fast and accurate entry of text via touch screen [w/video]
http://cnettv.cnet.com/9742-1_53-50003669.html This would be awesome. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Duke Nukem 3D on Openmoko Neo
Make sure it's portrait style 480x640 not 640x480. Unless that was a typo. Also, has anyone found a workaround for that 'multivoc' error? Pulseaudio is not installed. -Nick Thomas Bertani wrote: 2008/9/9 Rafael Ignacio Zurita [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Thomas Bertani [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why it isn't possible to use the game at 480x640 resolution? It is possible. Modify the /home/root/.duke3d/duke3d.cfg file to set 640x480, but you will see that it is too slow. Rafa I done it yesterday but I get an error... cannot use 640x480 resolution... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Duke Nukem 3D on Openmoko Neo
Well I can now get it running without sound but I can't seem to solve the audio issue. I don't have pulseaudio installed and there is no /dev/dsp so I can't find anything to check with lsof. I'm all out of gum, I mean, ideas. :-) FSO MS2 with no upgrades AFAIK (opkg upgrade segfaults for me). Accelerometers are working fine. -Nick Rafael Ignacio Zurita wrote: --- On Sat, 9/6/08, nickd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get Unknown Multivoc error code. when i try to run it in 2007.2. I get that too running FSO MS2. Will let you know of my findings. Mh, weird, in a fresh install it works out of the box. Have you also tried to kill pulseaudio? Maybe another application like pulseaudio is bad to play duke with sound. Anyway, if you want to try without sound you need change the DOS config file /home/root/.duke3d/duke3d.cfg: - modify the line [Sound Setup] FXDevice = 0 with [Sound Setup] FXDevice = 13 and that is all. Regards, Rafa -- Rafael Ignacio Zurita Buenos Aires, Argentina ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: DOOM OpenMoko Port
Quake for iPhone has a nice overlay which would be handy to see on the Freerunner [1]. Good work nonetheless guys! And some kind of way to reset stationary would be nice - say if you were playing lying down in bed. -Nick 1. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3208/2705807230_2ea90c5009.jpg?v=0 SCarlson wrote: I've just witnessed DOOM on my Freerunner. I spent a few hours this evening compiling a SDL port for DOOM, it let me tell you it looks great. I'd like to thank everyone involved for giving me the opportunity to exploit this machine (which is also a phone). I'll be working on a Acc. UI, similar to the Duke3d port. (Thanks to the person who ported Duke3d to inspire me today to do the same with DOOM, this just made my week) -Scott ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Duke Nukem 3D on Openmoko Neo
I just wanted to tell you Rafael that I reaffirm Dale's love. Installing it now, can't wait! Also, Heretic was re-released as GPL the other day - I wonder if we can get this ported :-) -Nick Dale Maggee wrote: Rafael, I just wanted to tell you that I love you! :D -Dale Rafael Ignacio Zurita wrote: Hello people, I want to share a simple duke nukem 3d port for Neo which you can play using the accelerometer :) You can get all the files at: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d/ and the link below has the instructions: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d/readme-openmoko.txt Ah, if you have doubts about how to play, please check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260Kpiqv9_U and this: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/duke-nukem-3d/how-to-play-duke.png Have fun! Rafa -- Rafael Ignacio Zurita Buenos Aires, Argentina ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Duke Nukem 3D on Openmoko Neo
I get that too running FSO MS2. Will let you know of my findings. -Nick Dale Maggee wrote: I suspect that it won't run on 2007.2, because the accelerometers seem to be broken. I get Unknown Multivoc error code. when i try to run it in 2007.2. -Dale ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flashing Om2008.8 rootfs under Windows is *LONG*
Try virtualbox. I don't think VMware server has native usb support. VirtualBox however supports any USB device AFAIK -Nick Vinc Duran wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Abdelrazak Younes [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You haven't even tried backing it up. Try and see how long *that* takes. They say it is much, much better with the Linux port of DFU-util (or rather, something is very very wrong with the Windows port). snip I use Vista on my day-to-day working computer. With the FreeRunner it's faster to boot to an Ubuntu live CD and work on the FreeRunner and reboot in Vista for my regular work. I can flash the device a couple of times and experiment with QTopia and OM 2008.8 in the time is would take me to just flash the rootfs for either of those. I think the dfu for windows would benefit from some work. I tried running Ubunto in a VMWare virtual machine but couldn't get a good connection to the FreeRunner. V ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warning: 2008.8.26+updates from testing have kernel problems
I got that when booting into NAND to get into uBoot. Just doesn't work. Need to boot into NOR. -Nick Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Hi, Upgrading a few minutes ago complained about a few modules (sorry I didn't copy paste them :( ) and after the phone rebooted, my computer doesn't recognize the usb0 interface. In my computer's dmesg I see: [ 106.130421] hub 2-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 1. Maybe the USB cable is bad? [ 108.702626] hub 2-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 1. Maybe the USB cable is bad? [ 110.041076] hub 2-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 1. Maybe the USB cable is bad? [ 111.376328] hub 2-0:1.0: Cannot enable port 1. Maybe the USB cable is bad? (...) I guess it's time to try FSO milestone 2 ;) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WLAN troubles
I've experienced the same thing as the OP. Running Windows as my hosts means it's a pain to set it up as a router, so I connect via Wifi and use it for everything. My solution is to put the following in my /etc/network/interfaces under eth0: up route del default gw 192.168.0.200 This will remove your computer as the default gateway and use the wireless one when the interface is brought up. Sometimes it fails so I've had to put it in twice (yet to look into this). -Nick Joel Newkirk wrote: Derick Rethans wrote: I get a DHCP lease, with nameservers and all, the route is correct too. However, I can't do any sort of connection - nor ping. Try ip r and see if it lists two default routes - one out usb0 and one out eth0. If it does, try ip r d default via 192.168.0.200 to delete the route pointing out usb0, and see if that resolves it for you. (Linux supports multiple default routes, but there should be a 'metric' specifying priority, or advanced custom routing tables to support multiple simultaneous uplinks - like load-balancing traffic on two DSL lines from one network) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.08 - qtopia calendar is quiet
Just had default settings for the Alarm plus adjusting the timezone. I think my clock is not persisting between boots so make sure your clock is right. Not sure if it's just me. -Nick Michael Kluge wrote: Hmm. Does not work for me even after a fresh boot. Could please send me the relevant settings for this (if you know which are relevant ;) ) ? I'm not sure about all knobs that I could twist. It maybe even be a timezone problem. Michael Am Donnerstag, 21. August 2008 07:56:22 schrieb nickd: Same happens to me both on and suspended. Using August 08 build. Alarm works fine though. Even brings it out of suspend which is nice :) -Nick Michael Kluge wrote: Hi, can anyone confirm that the qtopia calendar application does not make any attempt to make a noise when it is supposed to? I put an event into it, marked it as ring 5 minutes before and nothing happend. Anyone with the same/different experience? Regards, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.08 - qtopia calendar is quiet
Oops missed the 2008.08 bit. I'm using the August 08 build of Qtopia not 2008.08 itself. Sorry. -Nick Michael Kluge wrote: Hmm. Does not work for me even after a fresh boot. Could please send me the relevant settings for this (if you know which are relevant ;) ) ? I'm not sure about all knobs that I could twist. It maybe even be a timezone problem. Michael Am Donnerstag, 21. August 2008 07:56:22 schrieb nickd: Same happens to me both on and suspended. Using August 08 build. Alarm works fine though. Even brings it out of suspend which is nice :) -Nick Michael Kluge wrote: Hi, can anyone confirm that the qtopia calendar application does not make any attempt to make a noise when it is supposed to? I put an event into it, marked it as ring 5 minutes before and nothing happend. Anyone with the same/different experience? Regards, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.08 - qtopia calendar is quiet
Same happens to me both on and suspended. Using August 08 build. Alarm works fine though. Even brings it out of suspend which is nice :) -Nick Michael Kluge wrote: Hi, can anyone confirm that the qtopia calendar application does not make any attempt to make a noise when it is supposed to? I put an event into it, marked it as ring 5 minutes before and nothing happend. Anyone with the same/different experience? Regards, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Settings - Wifi status unknown solved?
I'm also interested in this. I didn't see that fix about volatiles.cache and consequently did it manually in the CLI and worked fine for me, indicating that it wasn't a kernel or hardware issue. -Nick Nathan Kinkade wrote: I have noticed a number of threads where people have mentioned seeing Wifi indicate a state of unknown in Settings (Exposure). I too recently started having that problem. The very last entry (as I write this) of this ticket was useful http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1734, mentioning that hald not running seemed to be the underlying issue. The solution for me was to delete /etc/volatile.cache and then reboot. I'm not sure how the stale /etc/volatiles.cache file got there without having the hald entries. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No /dev/mmcblk0 ?
Not necessarily. I'm in this position and it detects my card fine. As long as it's in properly it should be ok. -Nick yochaigal wrote: One thing I've noticed is that if there is NO SIM in the phone, it doesn't read the card. I guess it holds it down, or something. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Suspend/Resume Issue: Possible Hardware Problem?
AFAIK they all use the same kernel. Look for a file called resume reason. -Nick Robert Bieber wrote: The problem isn't just occurring in 2008.8, the same happens in FSO and Qtopia. If it were a software issue, it would seem that reflashing would at least have it working as long as it worked in the first place, but I now have no ability to come out of suspend at all, even after flashing the phone (and I've now tried removing the battery for 30 seconds as well). Could it possibly be an issue with uBoot? That's the only piece of software I haven't reflashed yet... William Kenworthy wrote: known software bug - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Update uBoot
Check here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/ http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080812/uboot-gta02v5-latest.bin (that is if yours is a Freerunner) -Nick Nicholas Dube wrote: Where is the newest uBoot located for download? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.8 Goes to sleep too fast!
Check the settings under suspend, maybe choose off if you want to do some ssh'ing. -Nick Anton Persson wrote: Hi, I have a problem, my FreeRunner goes to sleep to fast when I'm running the 2008.8 release. If I connect it to the USB socket of my computer I can hardly manage to login via SSH before it goes into hibernation, quite unuseful. How do I disable/configure the auto-hibernate feature? Best regards Anton ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008.8 password.
Deep breaths Bill deep breaths ;-) William Kenworthy wrote: ignore me - too excited. Was trying to ssh back into the PC :) BillK On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 20:21 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: I have just installed 2008.8, looks pretty and fast compared to 2007.2. I can ssh to the device, but cant log in. Whats the default password? - doesnt seem to be blank anymore. and there isnt a terminal by default so I can just change it :) BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
uImage is the kernel not uBoot. dfu-util -a kernel -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin -Nick Noah Romer wrote: using `dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D Om2008.8.uImage.bin`, but that failed and on the screen of my Freerunner, it says, End of write exceeds partition end. Should I just re-flash the 2007.2 u-boot image? Thanks. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Where is ASU?
I've been wondering the same thing, thought it was only me. It looks like only August builds are up at the moment. Vasco Névoa wrote: Hi folks. Sorry if I'm asking something too obvious, but I can't find the ASU images on http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/... I see that all the links to ASU images in the mailing list end up in 404s... So, 2 questions: 1 - where are ASU images; 2 - what exactly is hosted in buildhost? FSO? Thanks in advance! Vasco. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reviews?
Looks like his server hosting the images suffered a hard-drive failure: http://www.monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/This-Site-Broken-Articles-And-Learning-Python.html Milos Mandaric wrote: Have look at this one http://www.monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Day-One-Openmoko-Freerunner-1.html from Kevin Dean. I am not sure why the photos are missing. On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 16:02 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Does anyone know if there are any good reviews floating around for the FreeRunner yet? (And if not, does someone who already has theirs want to write one?) I'm a college student so money's very tight and I'm trying to justify purchasing one, but I want to know exactly what I'm getting first (in terms of functionality). Specifically, I'm wondering about: Cell phone functionality: Is full cellphone functionality (i.e. sending and receiving calls/SMS) currently working stably? Internet connectivity: At what stage of development is internet connectivity, both through wifi and the cellular network? Is there a decently functional browser yet? SSH: Related to above, is SSH working? Audio: How functional is the FreeRunner as a PMP? OGG support is a must and mp3 and FLAC would be good. Development portability: How easy is it to develop/compile new programs for the platform and how easy is it to port existing applications? Misc: Battery life for normal usage? Is there a JVM yet? Ruggedness? Compatibility with ATT SIMs? If anyone has any input on these, it's greatly appreciated. Feel free to e-mail me privately if you don't feel it'd be interesting to anyone else on the list. Thanks, Evan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Number of shipped devices
Yeah it would be interesting to get these stats and how they related to the group guesstimation we did a few months ago. I can't seem to find the link... Nick W. B. Kranendonk wrote: Hi all, Is there information on the number of produced, tested and shipped devices? Is that information public, or is it sensitive in some way? I was triggered by Pulster having sold out for this month, and wondered how demand and supply line up. Any comments? Boudewijn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: not being able to use Skype is a big problem
Could this hackery mean that Android is a possibility? -Nick Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:56:43 -0500 Forrest Sheng Bao [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: they both use ARM. freerunner is armv4, n8xx is armv5. (think of it like a pentium vs pentium-mmx - it has extra instructions in v5 compared to v4, but the vast majority of the core is the same). it can be run.. if you are lucky that the compiled binary doesn't use them. you can always write binary shims to interface binaries to existing libraries and system. you can manually hex-edit the binary and replace the armv4 instructions with v4 ones (insert etc). hacking a binary is not something that hasn't been done before. it's been done so many times there are many people who think of it as an art form... it just may be a LOT of work. I don't think one can run Skype for N8xx on Neo coz the CPU instruction set is different. I am not sure whether TI OMAP, the CPU used in N8xx, uses ARM instruction set. On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:25 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 20:06:45 -0500 Forrest Sheng Bao [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hey guys, I think not being about to use Skype on Neo is a big disadvantage. I don't have a cell phone. I contact the world thru Internet solely, including watching TV series or telephone calls. I think OPenMoko is opener than Nokia's Meamo project. But one can use Skype on Nokia N810. Will OpenMoko consider asking Skype to develop the client for Neo? you do know nokia PAID skype significant money to develop skype for the n8xx? skype is not open. i would say OM has no intent to go pay money for someone else to develop a CLOSED piece of software for openmoko. OM is all about being open. skype is not all about being open. they just don't mix. if you want to somehow reverse-engineer skype's protocol details and write your own - feel free. also if you wish to somehow make the skype binaries for the n8xx work on OM - feel free to work at it and release your work, but OM, i seriously doubt, is going to lay down good money for a closed piece of software when there are plenty of open alternatives. :) Cheers, Forrest -- Forrest Sheng Bao Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical Computer Engineering Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu 1-806-577-4592 Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender. 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I can also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German. 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software. -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forrest Sheng Bao Ph.D. student, Dept. of Computer Science M.Sc. student, Dept. of Electrical Computer Engineering Rm 115, Experimental Sciences Building Texas Tech University, Lubbock, Texas, USA http://narnia.cs.ttu.edu 1-806-577-4592 Forrest is an equal opportunity Email sender. 1. You are encouraged to use the language you prefer. Beyond English, I can also read traditional/simplified Chinese and a bit German. 2. I will only send you files readable to free or open source software. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Alarm clock dials your contacts if you refuse to wake up
This needs attention for the FR ;-) http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/tyrant-alarm-clock-dials-your-contacts-if-you-refuse-to-wake/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Packaging third-party applications (Was: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May))
What music applications would you be sharing? -nick Jay Vaughan wrote: I thought the Openmoko developer community would want to better than that ... Whats missing IMHO is a Repository Leadership clique, wherein a known group of people are responsible for some nice repositories that end-users might find interesting .. If I could easily add a few sites to my Freerunner, I would. And I'd watch them for regular updates too. For example, I'm considering firing up an Openmoko repository - known and public - for music apps for the OpenMoko suite .. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: OT: TinyURL
DecentURL (http://decenturl.com) was created to circumvent problems like these. It was created by a Reddit user to do something like this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=r8JexiISPNk which becomes http://youtube.decenturl.com/stop-motion No more goatse? -Nick Stroller wrote: On 4 Jun 2008, at 18:12, Joseph Reeves wrote: ... TinyURL on the other hand... Why would anyone ever use that? I never click on links unless I know where they link to. Here's a plan for abuse: 1: Discover browser 0-day exploit 2: Put up a gallery of FreeRunner pictures on a website 3: Point a tinyurl at the gallery 4: Wait until everyone's linked to it and is clicking it 5: Change gallery to 0-day exploit Or even easier: 1: Link to goatse. TinyURL takes all the best practice Internet guidlines you try and teach people and ruins them all. Can't stand it. TinyURL itself protects you from this. All you do is go to http://tinyurl.com/preview.php, click on the enable previews link and it sets a cookie on your PC. Thereafter, everytime you click on a TinyURL link it shows you first what website the link redirects to, and you then have to click again to make a manual redirection. Maybe your email client is perfect, and never has a problem with mangled URLs, but for the rest of us TinyURL is very useful. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: y-cable in action
Oooh! Get on top of that when you get it. I'm sure a few people here would be very interested in seeing this. Thanks for the research! -Nick Brad Midgley wrote: I'm unable to test either of these with the verizon 3g/evdo usb adapter... I don't have access to it this week :( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo as cellular modem?
I think you should be able to but GPRS data rates aren't anything to be proud of [1], especially with web pages these days built assuming broadband bandwidth. You might get away with sites built for mobiles though. If I were you I'd work out how to get access to some wireless somewhere (friendly neighbours perhaps), or go to a cafe. -Nick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths#Mobile_telephone_interfaces Vinc Duran wrote: Hi, I'm was sitting in my workshop with the cable modem out and the local wireless not working correctly and so no internet access today, wondering if we can expect to use the FreeRunner/Openmoko as a cellular modem at any point. I haven't seen much mention of this. Any ideas? Thanks, Vinc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)
That's a great idea Matt! Might be a drain on the battery moving packets around though. Speaking of which, would anyone know if it would be possible to use a 3G USB dongle on one of these? I can't see why not. I have a friend here in Australia who users a Three (Hutchinson) network USB dongle plugged into his Ubuntu box. He tells me it uses PPP to dialin and it's as easy as pie. Can anyone shed some light on this? Cheers, Nick Matt Mets wrote: It should be no problem. You just have to set up your routing tables correctly so that the desktop knows to route its traffic to the device, and the device knows to forward traffic to the cellular connection. It would be really handy to have an application to configure all of this automagically. It might also be cool to have the Freerunner act as a wireless router! Instant (slow) internet anywhere... Hi, I'm was sitting in my workshop with the cable modem out and the local wireless not working correctly and so no internet access today, wondering if we can expect to use the FreeRunner/Openmoko as a cellular modem at any point. I haven't seen much mention of this. Any ideas? Thanks, Vinc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users get started
I don't think so Alex. Steve said that he all he wanted to ship was a phone that could send messages and make calls and he would be happy for now. I'm sure there will be software for this purpose soon if not created already. -Nick Wilkinson, Alex wrote: 0n Tue, May 20, 2008 at 01:42:12PM -0600, Vinc Duran wrote: Wow. I had no idea Qtopia could sync with Outlook. That's going to make my life much easier. Will the Out-Of-The-Box Freerunner sync to Outlook ? -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
And #2. They love hearing your continuous interest in the constant requests for status updates. Are we there yet? No. Are we there yet? No. Are we there yet? No. Michele Renda wrote: I don't think they hate so much the point 4 ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Value of headsets and pouches for 10 pack orders?
That's strange. I'm in Brisbane and it worked out cheaper to buy in bulk. I estimated the postage as $70 for the bulk and $50 for individual (using AusPost's Int. parcel calculator). What was your postage/calculations? I've attached the worksheet I used to come to my amount. -Nick Chris Hogan wrote: Hi all, Yeah, with or without extras the customs cost will be the same... and it works out (I think) at about $425 per phone - higher than the cost of an individual order (which falls below the $1000 threshold and so doesn't attract customs charges). So the only 'savings' we're getting are the extras packed in with the bulk orders. If they're only worth (say) $20 each, it's not worth the hassle, it's just as cheap to order individual phones and the extras too if we need them. But if the extras are worth more, we still might saving money. Hope that makes sense :-). On Fri, 16 May 2008 02:46:20 pm Neil Davey wrote: It's not so much the declaration.. It's more the fact that the whole shipment will be over a certain value (I think $1000?).. Here is oz if it's above a certain value you have to pay GST (extra 10%), plus I think a customs duty as well... which just sucks big time.. To answer Chris's question.. I don't think any prices have been posted/mentioned yet for items like that.. Regards Neil ian douglas wrote: If it's included in the bulk order, do you *need* to declare an extra value? Chris Hogan wrote: Just wondering if anyone knows how much the bonus pouch/headsets being offered with the bulk orders would cost if purchased separately? The Sydney group are looking into the (huge) customs costs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community freerunner import.ods Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Value of headsets and pouches for 10 pack orders?
I wasn't sure if I should put it on the wiki or not as I was uncertain about postage - but since you think they're alright, go for it! -Nick Chris Hogan wrote: Hi All, Thanks Nick for the spreadsheet - I guesstimated the postage at about $50 for the bulk order and $20 for the individual units, based off past experience shipping stuff from the US - didn't even think to use the Aus Post calculator. In other words, I trust your figures over mine :-) For other Aussies, Nick's figures show a cost of $465 for bulk vs $481 for an individual order. Nick, would you mind if I posted your figures on the Group Orders wiki? Chris. On Fri, 16 May 2008 03:59:49 pm nickd wrote: That's strange. I'm in Brisbane and it worked out cheaper to buy in bulk. I estimated the postage as $70 for the bulk and $50 for individual (using AusPost's Int. parcel calculator). What was your postage/calculations? I've attached the worksheet I used to come to my amount. -Nick Chris Hogan wrote: Hi all, Yeah, with or without extras the customs cost will be the same... and it works out (I think) at about $425 per phone - higher than the cost of an individual order (which falls below the $1000 threshold and so doesn't attract customs charges). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko?
I concur wholeheartedly. -Nick Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Fri, 16 May 2008 16:32:54 +0930 Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Fri, 16 May 2008 08:19:31 +0300 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:58:48 +0300 Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I will do my best to show you more respect than you have obviously shown me. No promises. ok. excuse me. but i did not show any disrespect. I think he's referring to the automatic foo babbled: in your attribution line. Some people might take offense at that if they didn't realise that it's put there automatically by your mailer and not something you wrote intentionally ... oh.. that? hehehehe. i always thought it was amusing as all the cookie-cutter identical form stuff everyone uses just gets so.. boring! :) of course in some cultures even disagreeing with someone is a sign of disrespect. one must always agree - never disagree! harmony must be preserved. chances are that no matter what you say or do that in any way affects a status-quo somewhere someone will get offended. c'est la vie. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Alarmclock puzzle
Reminds me of Clocky http://www.nandahome.com/products/clocky/index.php Just need to give the Freerunner some wheels (pun intended) Michael Shiloh wrote: +1 Very clever. This is the kind of innovation I look forward to from this group. It should be possible to distinguish between intentional shaking and being thrown across the room, which would not reset the snooze but would keep on ringing. Arne Kristian Jansen wrote: Or you could use the accelerometer to windup the clock/snooze. Just shake it two times to snooze for 1 min more or something like it. And after each snooze you have to shake more and more to get the same snoozetime, i.e. for the second snooze you'd have to shake say four times to add one minute. - Arne Kristian 2008/5/13 Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have a similar problem, but came up with a slightly different approach. I tend to snooze too much, so mine focuses on the snooze button. You'd start with 1 big snooze button that snoozes for x minutes. After x minutes, alarm sounds again, but there are now two or three buttons. Maybe you have to hit them in a particular order. Maybe pick 2 that are the right color. Snoozes for another x minutes. Next, has a screen with 9 buttons (big enough to use with fingers). The buttons flash (maybe play a sound) in a pattern. You have to repeat the pattern to snooze again. Etc Have snooze time configurable. User enters comma-separated list. Last number in list is repeated. Ie 10,9,5 What do you think? -Steven On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello again I just have an idea for an nice addon or software (call it what you want) to the alarmclock Okey, let me tell a little story from real life. Every day when I go to school, I have to wake up, and now I have 2 alarmclocks, but still I manage to oversleep. Soo what I was thinking about was that I have to solve a puzzle to turn the alarmclock off, and not just push a button. One possibility is a 4 bits jigsaw puzzle like this: http://www.bimbambanana.com/index.php?p=Puzzle-alarm-clock-cool-gadgetsside=visProdprod_id=21 http://www.bimbambanana.com/index.php?p=Puzzle-alarm-clock-cool-gadgetsside=visProdprod_id=21 another, and perhaps an more easy to make is that the screen shows fours digits that you have to click in right order to turn it off. Perhaps like an antibot test on websites. I am more as an web programmer, so I isent so good to program software. NOTE: You have to have the choice to turn this on and off when you sets the clock Hope that someone think this is a good idea, and tries to program one. Alexander Frøyseth ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: yet another question about group sales (re: group goodies)
Hmm...I thought I read somewhere they chuck the single units in the same giant box, but maybe I fabricated that in my mind :) Matt Manjos wrote: Unless this has changed recently, you can only order the group phones in multiples of 10 (i.e. 10 phones, 20 phones, 30 phones, etc). On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After what I know, you get 11 goodies when you buy 11 phones. Vinc Duran skrev: I don't know your answers but I thought it was 10 pack (like order=10 rather than order=10). On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:41 PM, nickd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologise if this has been asked before, but my Google-fu fails me and I can't search the lists properly, *so*... I know that if you order 10 Freerunners that you only get the discount on the groups of 10. In the same way, do you only get the same amount of goodies as phones? I.e. count(phones) = count(pouches,headsets)? OR count(phones) - (count(phones) mod 10) = count(pouches,headsets)? So will 11 phones give you 11 pouches or 10? I need more coffee. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
yet another question about group sales (re: group goodies)
I apologise if this has been asked before, but my Google-fu fails me and I can't search the lists properly, *so*... I know that if you order 10 Freerunners that you only get the discount on the groups of 10. In the same way, do you only get the same amount of goodies as phones? I.e. count(phones) = count(pouches,headsets)? OR count(phones) - (count(phones) mod 10) = count(pouches,headsets)? So will 11 phones give you 11 pouches or 10? I need more coffee. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases
I think the only caveat to this for the Freerunner is the lack of datasheet from SMedia for the GPU which makes 3D impossible. Rather unfortunate. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Graphics.2F3D_Acceleration http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/014709.html http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates#SMedia_3362_Documentation_.26_OpenGL_ES_Drivers Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: OM is doing some very important things. The thing which is most important to me, is if they can make all HW producers write their drivers in GPL and provide all the specification needed for any usage of their HW. I really want a Linux enabled phone powered by FOSS. OM are helping me by providing HW and FOSS SW that works together. It is our job to port OM to other devices (such as Neonode N2) and to write good SW. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Top 100 content of Wiki
Thanks Brenda that's very interesting. Would it be possible to get some more stats just out of interest? Possibly ones for country of origin (Map Overlay), traffic sources etc? Or am I asking too much... -Nick BrendaWang wrote: Dear All: Attached file is the top 100 content of wiki. Period:Since 1,april to 07,May. Brenda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner and external Display
bear in mind it's only usb 1.0 -nick Ian Darwin wrote: - not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman said, it's a phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Our new Main page of wiki
i agree looks great! the side menu works with firefox 3 beta 5 now which is nice too =) (used to be all the way down the bottom for some reason) -nick Brenda Wang wrote: Hi, all: Here is the new main page of our wiki. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_main_page It will switch to Main page soon. Please feel free to give us your feedback . Regards Brenda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: PVT Update.
hi first post :) i don't suppose as part of the open nature of the production that the few sick people (myself included) in the community could see possibly some videos of the testing? namely the destructive tests? i've learnt how to use technology by breaking it and would like to see the snuf videos if possible -nick steve wrote: ya, I was telling somebody earlier I worked on an experimental plane for 5 years: we built 2. 500 Million per copy. we flew them for a little while. Then they took one. Shook it to bits; broke its back; and tore its wings off. bastards. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ortwin Regel Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:55 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: PVT Update. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Still, poor Freerunners... :'( On 4/14/08, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One minute of silence for the dead freerunner, death to ensure a product free of defects :) 2008/4/14, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The last of DVT testing is I think complete. These are destructive tests. Where we try to break the phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
