Re: bluetooth headset with shr, (ophoned,bt3030)
Am 26.10.2014 um 12:33 schrieb Thomas Munker: i want to use a jabra bt3030 with the current shr(-stage). So i am going to follow the instruction on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth for Bluez4. They say i should activate ophoned in frameworkd. Now my question is: What is the use of ophoned, what are the problems that may araise from it, and why was it deactivatet in the first place? Are these instruction still useable at all? Maybe you got me some hints, has anybode already used the bt3030? Hi! I don't think these instructions are still usable. ophoned is from the FSO-1.0 days and I'm not sure if it is included at all in current SHR stages. If it is included, it probably won't work. I'm sorry I can't give any better instructions... never used any BT headset. BR, Lukas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Keyboard
Hello! * Arora web browser does not recognize the Return/Enter key, but it does recognize the control key. Did you try to use the integrated keyboard to hit enter ? I've noticed in Arora that with this keyboard, Arora doesn't make any action if you hit enter in a form, maybe you've seen the same issue ? To be sure it's the same issue, normally Enter works when you confirm the URL in url address bar. Regards, Adrien signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Keyboard
On Friday, June 28, 2013 11:23:53 AM Ben Wong wrote: On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz wrote: Well i have been playing with my bluetooth keyboard this weekend. I could connect it with hidd --connect but unfortunately it does not generate any input events (same on PC). So the HW might be broken. Could it be a passkey problem? I dont think so. Devices are connected and i have new input event in /dev/input but there are no data when i press keys. I though it could be quite easy, because input handling is handled by Qt and should be quite well documented/tested. The trick should be to correctly set QWS_KEYBOARD environment variable. Where does one set that variable in QTMoko? /opt/qtmoko/qpe.env Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Keyboard
Am 24.06.2013 20:17, schrieb Ben Wong: On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani giacomomari...@yahoo.it mailto:giacomomari...@yahoo.it wrote: Thank you Radeck, I'm glad to have the Docked keyboard back: it is priceless when sending SMS via vnc! Nice tip, Giacomo. That reminds me that my biggest bugaboo with QtMoko is that I have never been able to get my bluetooth keyboard to work. It's quite frustrating to have to plug my Neo into a PC just so I can ssh into it with a proper keyboard. I seem to remember Radek saying about a year ago that the issue was not too hard to fix, but I think nobody has stepped forward to do it. Not really correct! Take a look at this mail: http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/2013-June/004634.html I made one step foreward! It seems, that most Bluetooth keyboards support more then one profile. Mine supports SPP and HID. After switching to HID (over an ssh login) the input is recognized, but rootet to root console instead of the input of program in focus. I started reading the QT documentation myself, but was daunted. I suspect simple for Radek is still too hard for lesser-mortals. ;-) I did not read anything, so Your more expirienced in that. Did You find anything about changing focus of input? -- Kind regards Sebastian Reinhardt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Keyboard
On Monday, June 24, 2013 08:17:35 PM Ben Wong wrote: On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani giacomomari...@yahoo.it wrote: Thank you Radeck, I'm glad to have the Docked keyboard back: it is priceless when sending SMS via vnc! Nice tip, Giacomo. That reminds me that my biggest bugaboo with QtMoko is that I have never been able to get my bluetooth keyboard to work. It's quite frustrating to have to plug my Neo into a PC just so I can ssh into it with a proper keyboard. I seem to remember Radek saying about a year ago that the issue was not too hard to fix, but I think nobody has stepped forward to do it. I started reading the QT documentation myself, but was daunted. I suspect simple for Radek is still too hard for lesser-mortals. ;-) Well i have been playing with my bluetooth keyboard this weekend. I could connect it with hidd --connect but unfortunately it does not generate any input events (same on PC). So the HW might be broken. I though it could be quite easy, because input handling is handled by Qt and should be quite well documented/tested. The trick should be to correctly set QWS_KEYBOARD environment variable - you can google for it. E.g. this [1] link looks interesting. Also on PC HW keyboard worked for me in qtmoko. Regards Radek [1] http://buildroot-busybox.2317881.n4.nabble.com/Question-exporting-QWS- KEYBOARD-LinuxInput-dev-input-event0-quot-hang-application-td31600.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth keyboards
Any update on BT kayboard? I got mine a few days ago and although it works with my Linux laptop (connecting using Gnome panel applet), I'm not able to use it with FR. I've found both articles on Wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#HID_.28Human_Input_Device.29 but the commands doesn't seem to be working. I'm getting the best results with hdid --connect ADDRESS after which command I have this in dmesg: [10713.02] Bluetooth: HIDP (Human Interface Emulation) ver 1.2 [10802.37] input: Broadcom Corp. Keyboard as /devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0/bluetooth/hci0/hci0:42/input6 [10802.38] generic-bluetooth 0005:0A5C:8502.0001: input: BLUETOOTH HID v1.1b Keyboard [Broadcom Corp. Keyboard] on 00:06:6E:17:29:5E And if I cat /dev/input/event6 I can see some garbage on the screen while pressing buttons on my keyboard. But If I open terminal or new message dialog, I can't see any letters while typing on the keyboard. Thanks , Hrabosh Al Johnson píše v Po 02. 05. 2011 v 12:41 +0100: An alternative could be the one from the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard But there is no mention of qtmoko support? The distro only has to serve the needed bt-tools, then everything will work. I recently bought the following one: http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260747301433ssPageName= STRK:MEWNX:IT which is quite cheep, small and light. It can pair with QtMoko but I can't use it for input. I tested it with the iphone of a colleague and, indeed, it works. Did you connecting to the keyboard manually after pairing? Depending on whether QtMoko is using bluez3 or bluez4 the method is slightly different, but both are in the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#HID_.28Human_Input_Device.29 If it works after manual connection then adding a GUI for it should be relatively simple. If it doesn't then some deeper investigation will be needed. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth keyboards
Hello, Hi all. Howdy Will bluetooth keyboards work with the freerunner (qtmoko)? Well. It's a fully featured linux. I recently bought a bluetooth headset. Works like charm together with my FreeRunner (SHR) Shouldn't be SUCH a problem to also get it running under QtMoko and so I guess something simple as a keyboard will even be less tinkering to get it working. I bet there are thousand and one HowTos around. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-setup-bluetooth-keyboard-and-mouse-in-ubuntu.html Bluetooth+HCID is the keyword Is there any update on the topic of BT keyboard+QtMoko? I am especially interested in the Freedom Pro Bluetooth Keyboard, but recommendations are welcome Yes. An alternative could be the one from the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard But there is no mention of qtmoko support? The distro only has to serve the needed bt-tools, then everything will work. I recently bought the following one: http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260747301433ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT which is quite cheep, small and light. It can pair with QtMoko but I can't use it for input. I tested it with the iphone of a colleague and, indeed, it works. Ciao Sven best regards lev Cheers Giacomo -- ## giacomo 'giotti' mariani gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-key 0x99bfa859 O ASCII ribbon campaign: stop HTML mail www.asciiribbon.org ## ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth keyboards
Hi, On 5/2/11, giacomo 'giotti' mariani giacomomari...@yahoo.it wrote: Hello, Hi all. Howdy Will bluetooth keyboards work with the freerunner (qtmoko)? Well. It's a fully featured linux. I recently bought a bluetooth headset. Works like charm together with my FreeRunner (SHR) Shouldn't be SUCH a problem to also get it running under QtMoko and so I guess something simple as a keyboard will even be less tinkering to get it working. I bet there are thousand and one HowTos around. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-setup-bluetooth-keyboard-and-mouse-in-ubuntu.html Bluetooth+HCID is the keyword Is there any update on the topic of BT keyboard+QtMoko? I am especially interested in the Freedom Pro Bluetooth Keyboard, but recommendations are welcome Yes. An alternative could be the one from the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard But there is no mention of qtmoko support? The distro only has to serve the needed bt-tools, then everything will work. I recently bought the following one: http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260747301433ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT which is quite cheep, small and light. It can pair with QtMoko but I can't use it for input. I tested it with the iphone of a colleague and, indeed, it works. I guess I have to same one. Does it at least work under QX in QtMoko for you? I just remember I tried it there and it worked. Also under SHR it worked. Regards, Michele ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth keyboards
An alternative could be the one from the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard But there is no mention of qtmoko support? The distro only has to serve the needed bt-tools, then everything will work. I recently bought the following one: http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260747301433ssPageName= STRK:MEWNX:IT which is quite cheep, small and light. It can pair with QtMoko but I can't use it for input. I tested it with the iphone of a colleague and, indeed, it works. Did you connecting to the keyboard manually after pairing? Depending on whether QtMoko is using bluez3 or bluez4 the method is slightly different, but both are in the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#HID_.28Human_Input_Device.29 If it works after manual connection then adding a GUI for it should be relatively simple. If it doesn't then some deeper investigation will be needed. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth keyboards
On Sunday 10 April 2011 18:35:24 Sven Hartrumpf wrote: Will bluetooth keyboards work with the freerunner (qtmoko)? I am especially interested in the Freedom Pro Bluetooth Keyboard, but recommendations are welcome :-) Badcloud donated that keyboard to me so i should receive it soon. I hope i can make it working with qtmoko then. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth keyboards
Hi all. Howdy Will bluetooth keyboards work with the freerunner (qtmoko)? Well. It's a fully featured linux. I recently bought a bluetooth headset. Works like charm together with my FreeRunner (SHR) Shouldn't be SUCH a problem to also get it running under QtMoko and so I guess something simple as a keyboard will even be less tinkering to get it working. I bet there are thousand and one HowTos around. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-setup-bluetooth-keyboard-and-mouse-in-ubuntu.html Bluetooth+HCID is the keyword I am especially interested in the Freedom Pro Bluetooth Keyboard, but recommendations are welcome :-) Yes. An alternative could be the one from the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freedom_Slim_Keyboard But there is no mention of qtmoko support? The distro only has to serve the needed bt-tools, then everything will work. Ciao Sven best regards lev signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Audio path gain, was: Re: Bluetooth module
Did you really meant bass fix? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix Or buzz fix: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix ? 2011/2/6 Hrabosh zbyne...@volny.cz: I was doing bass-fix to my Freerunner today so I did the the same measurement with generator again. I run Voice notes and set the generator so that the amplitude was simmilar to the amplitude of voice, captured by the microphone. LAter on I was listening to the files recorded when setting the generator and the 1kHz beep was clean and the volume was OK. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Audio path gain, was: Re: Bluetooth module
Yes, I really meant bass fix. I have replaced each 1uF cap with 2x 47uF caps in parallel. They are isolated by heat-shrinking tube and everything even fit under the metal cover. It really helped a lot, no problem using my FR as portable player now. I have taken some pictures ... anyone interested? I may put them online if so. BTW... although my phone seems not to be affected by GSM buzz problems, I did buzz fix also just for shure. Zb. Martix píše v Po 07. 02. 2011 v 16:31 +0100: Did you really meant bass fix? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix Or buzz fix: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buzz_Fix ? 2011/2/6 Hrabosh zbyne...@volny.cz: I was doing bass-fix to my Freerunner today so I did the the same measurement with generator again. I run Voice notes and set the generator so that the amplitude was simmilar to the amplitude of voice, captured by the microphone. LAter on I was listening to the files recorded when setting the generator and the 1kHz beep was clean and the volume was OK. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Audio path gain, was: Re: Bluetooth module
Al Johnson píše v Pá 04. 02. 2011 v 13:46 +: How did you pick 0.5mV as a suitable input amplitude? Measurement of peaks when talking? It was completely wrong! I did some internet search and found that micropohone like that in FR usually produce signal with amplitude in tens of mV. I was wondering if the singal was only 0.5mV it wouldn't probalby get distorted so easily - so I went to check my generator and saw that the attenuator was set incorrectly and so the signal was probably way higher than 0.5mV. I was doing bass-fix to my Freerunner today so I did the the same measurement with generator again. I run Voice notes and set the generator so that the amplitude was simmilar to the amplitude of voice, captured by the microphone. LAter on I was listening to the files recorded when setting the generator and the 1kHz beep was clean and the volume was OK. I rewrite the text and put there all pictures from the scope I made. http://hnet.endofinternet.net/elektro/Freerunner/ALSA/sound_setting.html Seems that the sidetone may be set to 2 instead of 1, but mic should stay 0. Thanks for your question ! Zb. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Audio path gain, was: Re: Bluetooth module
On Sunday 23 January 2011, Hrabosh wrote: Al Johnson píše v Pá 21. 01. 2011 v 10:34 +: On Friday 21 January 2011, Hrabosh wrote: Hi guys, yesterday I opened my freerunner to check whether mine FR is affected by R3004 issue [1]. It was, I put a piece of wire there instead of those two caps and volume got better! I have also connected sine wave from generator to the WD8753 mic input and cheched it on the WD8753's output with the oscilloscope. It seemes that the audio codec chip gets into trouble (distortion, oscillations) if the overall audio path has higher gain than 1. I'm going to write more about this soon, with the scope pictures included (taken by my camera, I don't have DSO at home :-/ ) That would be interesting to see, but your summary seems wrong or perhaps oversimplified. Distortion is inevitable if you overload an amp, and oscillation isn't unusual immediately after overload. It isn't a function of the overall path gain though. The wolfson has a chain of amps and volume controls, and it only needs overload at one of them to introduce distortion. Stick the gain too high on the first stage (mic input) and the distortion won't go away no matter how far you turn down the gain on later stages. This has been a long standing problem with the default volume settings. Yes, it is oversimplified. It is obvious that you can't fix distortion by lowering the gain of next-in-chain amplifier. You are just controlling the volume of already distorted signal. If it was that obvious we wouldn't have had default settings guaranteed to cause distortion earlier than necessary in the first place. It seems it's only obvious to those of us with a grounding in analogue electronics, or those who spend time with guitar amps and similar. I put that picture from my scope with a short description to my web page, here: http://hnet.endofinternet.net/elektro/Freerunner/ALSA/sound_setting.html I was very surprised how LOW I had to set the audio controls to get rid of distortion: Mic2: 0 Sidetone: 1 Strange ... How did you pick 0.5mV as a suitable input amplitude? Measurement of peaks when talking? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth module
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:32:40 +0100 Hrabosh zbyne...@volny.cz (H) wrote: But ... when I was dismounting the phone, I dammaged the bluetooth module. The module itself may be OK, but the flex cable is torn off. ahoy, the flexible PCB for BT does seem to be able to crack very easily, mine broke about a year ago. One day, i would love to sit down and fix it but as it is quite tedious job under a microscope i have been procrastinating this as much as i could. Besides, it helped me to stop worrying about the FSO BT support and i also stopped spamming people on public transport with tux images via BT ;)) Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Audio path gain, was: Re: Bluetooth module
Al Johnson píše v Pá 21. 01. 2011 v 10:34 +: On Friday 21 January 2011, Hrabosh wrote: Hi guys, yesterday I opened my freerunner to check whether mine FR is affected by R3004 issue [1]. It was, I put a piece of wire there instead of those two caps and volume got better! I have also connected sine wave from generator to the WD8753 mic input and cheched it on the WD8753's output with the oscilloscope. It seemes that the audio codec chip gets into trouble (distortion, oscillations) if the overall audio path has higher gain than 1. I'm going to write more about this soon, with the scope pictures included (taken by my camera, I don't have DSO at home :-/ ) That would be interesting to see, but your summary seems wrong or perhaps oversimplified. Distortion is inevitable if you overload an amp, and oscillation isn't unusual immediately after overload. It isn't a function of the overall path gain though. The wolfson has a chain of amps and volume controls, and it only needs overload at one of them to introduce distortion. Stick the gain too high on the first stage (mic input) and the distortion won't go away no matter how far you turn down the gain on later stages. This has been a long standing problem with the default volume settings. Yes, it is oversimplified. It is obvious that you can't fix distortion by lowering the gain of next-in-chain amplifier. You are just controlling the volume of already distorted signal. I put that picture from my scope with a short description to my web page, here: http://hnet.endofinternet.net/elektro/Freerunner/ALSA/sound_setting.html I was very surprised how LOW I had to set the audio controls to get rid of distortion: Mic2: 0 Sidetone: 1 Strange ... But ... when I was dismounting the phone, I dammaged the bluetooth module. The module itself may be OK, but the flex cable is torn off. Don't you have any idea where can I buy some spare? I've not seen anyone list them as a spare for sale, but any of the distributors might have them available. Nicholas from Golden Delicious answered my desperate E-mail :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth module
Petr Vanek píše v So 22. 01. 2011 v 05:51 +0800: On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:32:40 +0100 Hrabosh zbyne...@volny.cz (H) wrote: But ... when I was dismounting the phone, I dammaged the bluetooth module. The module itself may be OK, but the flex cable is torn off. ahoy, zdar! the flexible PCB for BT does seem to be able to crack very easily, mine broke about a year ago. One day, i would love to sit down and fix it but as it is quite tedious job under a microscope i have been procrastinating this as much as i could. Besides, it helped me to stop worrying about the FSO BT support and i also stopped spamming people on public transport with tux images via BT ;)) I got dead motherboard with BT module on it from Golden Delicious. So I replaced it earlier this week and everything seems to work. I was trying to pair my FR with my car radio today while bored in traffic jam - so I run the search procedure and found 4 mobile phones and 3 hands-free sets :-) BTW.. I've just received a bunch of E-mails from last 2 weeks or so. Strange ... Zb. Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth module
On Friday 21 January 2011, Hrabosh wrote: Hi guys, yesterday I opened my freerunner to check whether mine FR is affected by R3004 issue [1]. It was, I put a piece of wire there instead of those two caps and volume got better! I have also connected sine wave from generator to the WD8753 mic input and cheched it on the WD8753's output with the oscilloscope. It seemes that the audio codec chip gets into trouble (distortion, oscillations) if the overall audio path has higher gain than 1. I'm going to write more about this soon, with the scope pictures included (taken by my camera, I don't have DSO at home :-/ ) That would be interesting to see, but your summary seems wrong or perhaps oversimplified. Distortion is inevitable if you overload an amp, and oscillation isn't unusual immediately after overload. It isn't a function of the overall path gain though. The wolfson has a chain of amps and volume controls, and it only needs overload at one of them to introduce distortion. Stick the gain too high on the first stage (mic input) and the distortion won't go away no matter how far you turn down the gain on later stages. This has been a long standing problem with the default volume settings. But ... when I was dismounting the phone, I dammaged the bluetooth module. The module itself may be OK, but the flex cable is torn off. Don't you have any idea where can I buy some spare? I've not seen anyone list them as a spare for sale, but any of the distributors might have them available. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth module
Sorry: [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-August/052914.html Hrabosh píše v Pá 21. 01. 2011 v 07:32 +0100: Hi guys, yesterday I opened my freerunner to check whether mine FR is affected by R3004 issue [1]. It was, I put a piece of wire there instead of those two caps and volume got better! I have also connected sine wave from generator to the WD8753 mic input and cheched it on the WD8753's output with the oscilloscope. It seemes that the audio codec chip gets into trouble (distortion, oscillations) if the overall audio path has higher gain than 1. I'm going to write more about this soon, with the scope pictures included (taken by my camera, I don't have DSO at home :-/ ) But ... when I was dismounting the phone, I dammaged the bluetooth module. The module itself may be OK, but the flex cable is torn off. Don't you have any idea where can I buy some spare? Thanks, Zbynek [1]http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-August/052914.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Profile selection on Resume from Suspend (QtMoko v26)
Brian Kemp wrote: Is the connected profile of my device saved on suspend, or simply that it was connected? I dont know very much about it, but IIRC sometimes it can be that the headset connects to the phone. Not sure if this is the case. It could be seen in the bluetooth log how it works. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth
Quoting Chuck Norris norris.ch...@mail.ru: 27.04.2010 15:15, beni...@relamp.tk пишет: Quoting Chuck Norris norris.ch...@mail.ru: Can someone point me in docs or show configs how to configure bluetooth network with FreeRunner and my linux box(I have gentoo). I tried read wiki.bluez.org but without success... :( Is it only possible configure bluetooth on linux (bluez4) through dbus? That's actually very easy :) Here is what I do: 1) Install emtooth and pair with my computer. Once this is done, the next time I want to use it I just have to open emtooth and let my computer (Linux) connect to the FR. 2) Don't forget to set a name for the bluetooth device (I personally want it to be something else than om-gta-02). 3) Then I fill in /etc/udhcpd.conf with the following information: # The start and end of the IP lease block start 192.168.16.17 #default: 192.168.0.20 end 192.168.16.30 #default: 192.168.0.254 # The interface that udhcpd will use interface bnep0 #default: eth0 # Other options opt dns 208.67.222.222 208.67.220.220 option subnet 255.255.255.0 opt router 192.168.16.16 option domain local 4) And my /etc/network/intrefaces: # Bluetooth networking iface bnep0 inet static address 192.168.16.16 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.16.0 up udhcpd down killall udhcpd 5) With that configuration, I just need to connect with bluetooth networking and my computer automatically gets an IP address via DHCP. (I have tested this with Linux and Mac OSX). 6) (Optional) If you want, you can also use IPtables to give Internet access to your computer with the GPRS connection of the FR. (Let me know if you need help with this). Regards, Benedikt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community how did you get bnep0 ? Last time I checked, you get it automatically when Bluetooth is turned on. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth
07.05.2010 16:42, Paul Fertser пишет: Hi, Is there any particular reason you write off-list? On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 03:40:38PM +0700, Chuck Norris wrote: 27.04.2010 10:59, Paul Fertser пишет: Chuck Norris norris.ch...@mail.ru writes: Is it only possible configure bluetooth on linux (bluez4) through dbus? Here's the definitive and working guide, i've tested all that steps myself. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Networking Is it applicable to bluez3 only? bluez3 and bluez4 are mixed in this page... so it quite difficult to understand which version they mean... :( Really? I thought i'd written everything crystal clear :/ so, I make script on FreeRunner ... but I successfully paired desktop with FR sing emtooth and kbluetooth and now I don't know what should I do to get bnep0 or somehow create network What about the trust? I wonder what else could have gone wrong, it all seemed so easy after i figured i need to not release the bus... sorry for off-listing. I haven't noticed that messanger change from field :) about crystal clearness: here is quote Information about bluez4 networking ... Bluetooth networking concepts -This HOW-TO- is directly applicable -only to bluez3- but still worth reading to understand PANU/GN/NAP roles So, finally I've configured bluetooth network through blueman and /etc/network/interfaces file on FreeRunner... but it need to be logined on desktop to work - no automatic connection... :( about python script - I told him wrong hw address, and now problem have changed. Now script writes Networking established, exit the shell to end this session and in half of second prints Networking released I think line os.spawnl(os.P_WAIT, os.environ['SHELL']) is root of evil on my FR. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth
Chuck Norris norris.ch...@mail.ru writes: sorry for off-listing. I haven't noticed that messanger change from field :) In fact it doesn't. I sent mails from my address, just as all messengers do, to you while keeping all interested parties (ML in this case) in Cc. about crystal clearness: here is quote Information about bluez4 networking ... Bluetooth networking concepts -This HOW-TO- is directly applicable -only to bluez3- but still worth reading to understand PANU/GN/NAP roles And there goes a link to the old howto on bluez wiki, so my note is about the howto on the bluez wiki. And the document you're reading on OM wiki is not a howto at all. I think line os.spawnl(os.P_WAIT, os.environ['SHELL']) is root of evil on my FR. Well, it's easy to debug. Looks like you do not have $SHELL initialized, why? -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth
Quoting Chuck Norris norris.ch...@mail.ru: Can someone point me in docs or show configs how to configure bluetooth network with FreeRunner and my linux box(I have gentoo). I tried read wiki.bluez.org but without success... :( Is it only possible configure bluetooth on linux (bluez4) through dbus? That's actually very easy :) Here is what I do: 1) Install emtooth and pair with my computer. Once this is done, the next time I want to use it I just have to open emtooth and let my computer (Linux) connect to the FR. 2) Don't forget to set a name for the bluetooth device (I personally want it to be something else than om-gta-02). 3) Then I fill in /etc/udhcpd.conf with the following information: # The start and end of the IP lease block start 192.168.16.17 #default: 192.168.0.20 end 192.168.16.30 #default: 192.168.0.254 # The interface that udhcpd will use interface bnep0 #default: eth0 # Other options opt dns 208.67.222.222 208.67.220.220 option subnet 255.255.255.0 opt router 192.168.16.16 option domain local 4) And my /etc/network/intrefaces: # Bluetooth networking iface bnep0 inet static address 192.168.16.16 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.16.0 up udhcpd down killall udhcpd 5) With that configuration, I just need to connect with bluetooth networking and my computer automatically gets an IP address via DHCP. (I have tested this with Linux and Mac OSX). 6) (Optional) If you want, you can also use IPtables to give Internet access to your computer with the GPRS connection of the FR. (Let me know if you need help with this). Regards, Benedikt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth
Chuck Norris norris.ch...@mail.ru writes: Is it only possible configure bluetooth on linux (bluez4) through dbus? Here's the definitive and working guide, i've tested all that steps myself. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Networking -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth fail (poll?)
tried ad2p and it worked, haven't tried making phonecalls On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.comwrote: 2010/1/24 Ian Stephen i...@tradeswest.ca: The jurisdiction where I reside recently implemented a law banning handheld devices while driving. I bought a Jabra BT125 because someone reported success with it and the Freerunner. I've gone over the SHR manual web page and the manually using bluetooth page and everything else Google could find with both SHR Unstable and SHR Testing. Finally bought a Motorola phone and have set aside the Freerunner for now. :-( You will probably get more answers if you also send to the SHR list: shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org I am wondering if only a few people have got bluetooth to work with headsets for GSM calls while lots of us lose sleep over it, or have most got it going and I'm just missing something? My data point: I've not yet tried bluetooth at all. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth fail (poll?)
2010/1/24 Ian Stephen i...@tradeswest.ca: The jurisdiction where I reside recently implemented a law banning handheld devices while driving. I bought a Jabra BT125 because someone reported success with it and the Freerunner. I've gone over the SHR manual web page and the manually using bluetooth page and everything else Google could find with both SHR Unstable and SHR Testing. Finally bought a Motorola phone and have set aside the Freerunner for now. :-( You will probably get more answers if you also send to the SHR list: shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org I am wondering if only a few people have got bluetooth to work with headsets for GSM calls while lots of us lose sleep over it, or have most got it going and I'm just missing something? My data point: I've not yet tried bluetooth at all. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
On 11.01.2010 13:09, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: You can download the package at: http://downloads.vdm-design.de/obexd_0.20-r1.4_armv4t.ipk Please try and report the result. I hope it's working but i'm not sure. I've downloaded and installed that.. unfortunately I've also installed new SHR-U updates, which is causing a bit of a problem now.. (keeps telling me about md5 mismatch and refuses to install two vital fso components) Will come back as soon as my FR is up and working again and I've had a chance to test the module.. Cheers Thanks for your efforts.. -- Thomas -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ APL is a write-only language --- you can write it, but not read it. - Roy Kier -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 09:43:55AM +0100, Thomas Franck wrote: new SHR-U updates, which is causing a bit of a problem now.. (keeps telling me about md5 mismatch and refuses to install two vital fso components) still md5 mismatch? should be fixed about 1,5 hour ago -- uin:136542059jid:martin.ja...@gmail.com Jansa Martin sip:jama...@voip.wengo.fr JaMa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
On 12.01.2010 09:55, Martin Jansa wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 09:43:55AM +0100, Thomas Franck wrote: new SHR-U updates, which is causing a bit of a problem now.. (keeps telling me about md5 mismatch and refuses to install two vital fso components) still md5 mismatch? should be fixed about 1,5 hour ago That's fixed.. thanks.. :) will try connecting to my car in a minute.. Cheers, -- Thomas -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ Programming is one of the most difficult branches of applied mathematics; the poorer mathematicians had better remain pure mathematicians. - Edsgar W. Dijkstra -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
Hi.. On 11.01.2010 13:09, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: You can download the package at: http://downloads.vdm-design.de/obexd_0.20-r1.4_armv4t.ipk Please try and report the result. I hope it's working but i'm not sure. I've just tried connecting.. with the usual outcome: FR says: new device (and is happy with that) car says: connecting... (and eventually aborts) I will try again and again.. but first.. how do log usable data for debugging for you? I tried to install hcidump again, but I can't seem to find it in the SHR-U feed.. what I did: -88-- r...@om-gta02 ~ $ hcitool scan Scanning ... 00:0E:9F:4E:FC:17 BMW 18208 r...@om-gta02 ~ $ simple-agent hci0 00:0E:9F:4E:FC:17 RequestPinCode (/org/bluez/1538/hci0/dev_00_0E_9F_4E_FC_17) Enter PIN Code: 1122 Release New device (/org/bluez/1538/hci0/dev_00_0E_9F_4E_FC_17) r...@om-gta02 ~ $ -88-- That doesn't seem to show up in any logs, though.. Cheers, -- Thomas -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ If it weren't for C, we'd be writing programs in BASI, PASAL, and OBOL. -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
Am Dienstag 05 Januar 2010 21:55:33 schrieb Thomas Franck: On 01/04/2010 11:46 AM, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: http://downloads.vdm-design.de/obexd_0.20-r0.4_armv4t.ipk downloaded and installed that.. But i think sth more is needed. We need an bluetooth agent that knows about obexd. Perhaps simple-agent does. I used simple-agent before (see the thread here: http://n2.nabble.com/SHR-unstable-Bluetooth-pairing-with-BMW-Pro-Radio-car- handsfree-fails-tp3060247p3060247.html ) will try when I manage to set everything up.. :) then obexd needs to be started with -p option, the /etc/dbus-1/services config file doesn't do that in my current version, so you have to add that option there. I don't even have a obexd.conf in the system.d folder.. :S Cheers, Now i've implented all mehtods avaible in obexd. And changed the dbus service file. You can download the package at: http://downloads.vdm-design.de/obexd_0.20-r1.4_armv4t.ipk Please try and report the result. I hope it's working but i'm not sure. Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
On 01/04/2010 11:46 AM, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: http://downloads.vdm-design.de/obexd_0.20-r0.4_armv4t.ipk downloaded and installed that.. But i think sth more is needed. We need an bluetooth agent that knows about obexd. Perhaps simple-agent does. I used simple-agent before (see the thread here: http://n2.nabble.com/SHR-unstable-Bluetooth-pairing-with-BMW-Pro-Radio-car-handsfree-fails-tp3060247p3060247.html ) will try when I manage to set everything up.. :) then obexd needs to be started with -p option, the /etc/dbus-1/services config file doesn't do that in my current version, so you have to add that option there. I don't even have a obexd.conf in the system.d folder.. :S Cheers, -- Thomas -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ The cheapest and fastest parts of a system are those that don't exist. - Gordon Bell of DEC -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
Happy New Year! Thomas Zimmermann wrote: That's great. The first test resulted in a crash of the PBAP plugin, so i've to look at this. Will tell you if i have an new version, but i will wait till the new year before i do some more on this. I'm back home.. well.. at work now.. What do I have to prepare in order to test your plugin? Cheers, -- Thomas -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ IBM is not a necessary evil. IBM is not necessary. - Ted Nelson -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
Am Montag 04 Januar 2010 11:12:11 schrieb Thomas Franck: Happy New Year! Happy New Year :) I'm back home.. well.. at work now.. What do I have to prepare in order to test your plugin? I think it's not working, because i implemented just 1 of the 3 calls. And it seems the other 2 are more often used :) I will do the other too this week. But if you want you can try the current version. http://downloads.vdm-design.de/obexd_0.20-r0.4_armv4t.ipk But i think sth more is needed. We need an bluetooth agent that knows about obexd. Perhaps simple-agent does. then obexd needs to be started with -p option, the /etc/dbus-1/services config file doesn't do that in my current version, so you have to add that option there. Cheers, ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth laser keyboard
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Pieter Colpaert freep...@gmail.com wrote: Any chance this could work? http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/keyboards-mice/8193/ suppose you would have to wait till its in stock to know! interesting idea though ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth laser keyboard
I could not make it work but it should. I used SHR and Qt at that time. My child was borned and I had to stop playing with this but if you can make it work just let me know. On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 14:17, Pieter Colpaert freep...@gmail.com wrote: Any chance this could work? http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/keyboards-mice/8193/ Pieter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Pablo Miño ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth laser keyboard
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 17:17 +0100, Pieter Colpaert wrote: Any chance this could work? http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/keyboards-mice/8193/ Pieter it seem the same than the one I saw at fosdem but I can't tell for sure... if so it should work but I can't guarantee anything Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
Am Freitag 25 Dezember 2009 17:53:43 schrieb Thomas Franck: I am very interested in this, too.. I've wanted to get my FR to connect to my bmw car system ever since I got it.. and it always played up, didn't want to talk to the car at all.. FR was happy with the BT connect but my radio was still asking for data (IIRC, the error codes that the FR BT stack gave was that it got a PBAP request which it just simply dropped due to lack of support).. So a connection never ever got properly established.. :( I'll be back home and able to test things on the 3rd of January.. Cheers, That's great. The first test resulted in a crash of the PBAP plugin, so i've to look at this. Will tell you if i have an new version, but i will wait till the new year before i do some more on this. Greets Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
Hi.. (and merry christmas) On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Thomas Zimmermann m...@vdm-design.de wrote: So is someone out there who owns a handsfree, car or sth else that supports showing contacts and/or missed calls over bluetooth? [...] I think so too, PBAP is a special protocol developed form the automotion industrie, primarly for buildin handsfree (as far as i understood). So i think the same as you, but i found someone that has such an device. So he can try it for me :) I am very interested in this, too.. I've wanted to get my FR to connect to my bmw car system ever since I got it.. and it always played up, didn't want to talk to the car at all.. FR was happy with the BT connect but my radio was still asking for data (IIRC, the error codes that the FR BT stack gave was that it got a PBAP request which it just simply dropped due to lack of support).. So a connection never ever got properly established.. :( I'll be back home and able to test things on the 3rd of January.. Cheers, -- Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
Am Donnerstag 24 Dezember 2009 00:23:50 schrieb Denis Johnson: On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Thomas Zimmermann m...@vdm-design.de wrote: So is someone out there who owns a handsfree, car or sth else that supports showing contacts and/or missed calls over bluetooth? I have a Ipaq 4150 running Windows CE and CoPilot Navigator which uses bluetooth gps and software supports various live communications for things like traffic, live location feed and receiving trips from base info but I think that's all using GPRS so probably not much help to you I think so too, PBAP is a special protocol developed form the automotion industrie, primarly for buildin handsfree (as far as i understood). So i think the same as you, but i found someone that has such an device. So he can try it for me :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
So is someone out there who owns a handsfree, car or sth else that supports showing contacts and/or missed calls over bluetooth? Anyone with a TomTom. grtz, Sander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth PBAP support for FSO
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Thomas Zimmermann m...@vdm-design.de wrote: So is someone out there who owns a handsfree, car or sth else that supports showing contacts and/or missed calls over bluetooth? I have a Ipaq 4150 running Windows CE and CoPilot Navigator which uses bluetooth gps and software supports various live communications for things like traffic, live location feed and receiving trips from base info but I think that's all using GPRS so probably not much help to you ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth hands free car kit
It's an OT diversion from the request- but what's the call quality like on these things? You see them advertised from £10 to £35 in the UK, which is a fair way away from the wired in price that 'named brands' charge. If they work with the freerunner, I'll get one in an instant! Russ 2009/10/20 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au: Is anyone using a bluetooth hands free kit (e.g, something like this: http://www.blueant.com.au/products/speakerphones/s1/index.php) in a car. Is the FR able to fully use it, or are some parts not working? BillK -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets
Paul Fertser wrote: Kahless ha...@gmx.li writes: - Which Headset do you use? My Headset (Bluetrek Tattoo) does not give me any sound. I can pair and connect it, but while phoning, theres just a (like no line) Buzz/Static-Noise. Hm, sounds just like the one i tried to use. Please read the wiki page Manually_using_bluetooth, the section where it talks about bluez4 and GSM headsets. Then borrow another headset and try with it. If it works, please add information about both to the list of bluetooth headsets [1]. It'd also be interesting to try disable_esco=1 but i doubt it will help. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/List_of_bluetooth_headsets As far as I know QTMoko/QTE currently has no support for the bluez4 stuff that is needed to connect gsm audio to bluetooth. I think that is what Radek needs to add, right now it seems to totally ignore the audio state for bluetooth, it can just pair. (I may be wrong as I have not looked at the bluetooth code for qt in a while). -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets
Jim Morris m...@e4net.com writes: As far as I know QTMoko/QTE currently has no support for the bluez4 stuff that is needed to connect gsm audio to bluetooth. There's nothing bluetooth-specific about loading a statefile (and applying some workarounds). And the only bluez4-specific call to actually activate the headset is one simple dbus Play(). -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets
Paul Fertser wrote: Jim Morris m...@e4net.com writes: As far as I know QTMoko/QTE currently has no support for the bluez4 stuff that is needed to connect gsm audio to bluetooth. There's nothing bluetooth-specific about loading a statefile (and applying some workarounds). And the only bluez4-specific call to actually activate the headset is one simple dbus Play(). True if you are on FSO or equivalent, but the OP was referring to QTMOKO, there is no dbus i/f to BT yet as far as I know. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets
Jim Morris m...@e4net.com writes: Paul Fertser wrote: Jim Morris m...@e4net.com writes: As far as I know QTMoko/QTE currently has no support for the bluez4 stuff that is needed to connect gsm audio to bluetooth. There's nothing bluetooth-specific about loading a statefile (and applying some workarounds). And the only bluez4-specific call to actually activate the headset is one simple dbus Play(). True if you are on FSO or equivalent, but the OP was referring to QTMOKO, there is no dbus i/f to BT yet as far as I know. Nope, Play() is bluez4 call. So even if you're using qtmoko it doesn't matter because it's provided by bluetoothd, not fso/whatever. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth headset detection
it seems that while bluez reports status of bluetooth device correctly, see bellow, fso doesn't see this. what in fso is responsible for knowing the same thing when asked by oevents rule? or can the rule check with bluez directly? i tried going through fso framework as suggested on irc but it just goes over the top of my head... sorry Paul. Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Keyboard for Openmoko
i just got the wired version of this keyboard. works relatively well, large enough for two handed typing and the size is about 1.5 freerunners tall. http://www.gizfever.com/product_info.php?products_id=737 this is the one i got: http://www.gizfever.com/product_info.php?products_id=681 though the up arrow does not seem to function. which is nice in when using the terminal... im going to update the keyboard wiki page when i get back to the states in about a week 2009/5/29 Staley, Daniel L dlst...@uky.edu I would recommend the iGo bluetooth keyboard. It folds up, is super portable...and works great with the freerunner. http://www.supermediastore.com/igo-stowaway-ultra-slim-bluetooth-keyboard-for-pda.html It even has a holder that can hold the freerunner vertically or horizontally while you are typing. I was able to find one on ebay for pretty cheap. See a clip of me using it to chat in irc here: http://www.bufferunderflow.com/?entry=6 Kind of a crappy camera job, but you get the picture. -Dan From: Max [...@darim.com] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:54 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboard for Openmoko В Чтв, 28/05/2009 в 13:10 +0200, Michal Brzozowski пишет: Pulster is now offering a really nice bt keyboard in the OM accessories. It's about the size of the FR. Can't hold myself but to actually mention that the whole point of having separate keyboard to my mind is to have something significantly bigger than FR :) cheers, Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Bluetooth Keyboard for Openmoko
I would recommend the iGo bluetooth keyboard. It folds up, is super portable...and works great with the freerunner. http://www.supermediastore.com/igo-stowaway-ultra-slim-bluetooth-keyboard-for-pda.html It even has a holder that can hold the freerunner vertically or horizontally while you are typing. I was able to find one on ebay for pretty cheap. See a clip of me using it to chat in irc here: http://www.bufferunderflow.com/?entry=6 Kind of a crappy camera job, but you get the picture. -Dan From: Max [...@darim.com] Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:54 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboard for Openmoko В Чтв, 28/05/2009 в 13:10 +0200, Michal Brzozowski пишет: Pulster is now offering a really nice bt keyboard in the OM accessories. It's about the size of the FR. Can't hold myself but to actually mention that the whole point of having separate keyboard to my mind is to have something significantly bigger than FR :) cheers, Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Keyboard for Openmoko
A wired but rollable mini keyboard that was discussed can be found here: http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex/duraflex-mini what makes it mini? it's almost as large as a normal keyboard and would even rolled up be a considerably large bundle. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Keyboard for Openmoko
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:01 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: A wired but rollable mini keyboard that was discussed can be found here: http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex/duraflex-mini what makes it mini? it's almost as large as a normal keyboard and would even rolled up be a considerably large bundle. The Duraflex Mini shares all the features of the Comfort, but comes without the number pad; it is therefore smaller than the Comfort and rolls into a smaller sized package. http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex seems nice. --Jose ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Keyboard for Openmoko
Pulster is now offering a really nice bt keyboard in the OM accessories. It's about the size of the FR. 2009/5/28 Jose Luis Garduno deepsi...@gmail.com On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:01 AM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: A wired but rollable mini keyboard that was discussed can be found here: http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex/duraflex-mini what makes it mini? it's almost as large as a normal keyboard and would even rolled up be a considerably large bundle. The Duraflex Mini shares all the features of the Comfort, but comes without the number pad; it is therefore smaller than the Comfort and rolls into a smaller sized package. http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex seems nice. --Jose ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Keyboard for Openmoko
В Чтв, 28/05/2009 в 13:10 +0200, Michal Brzozowski пишет: Pulster is now offering a really nice bt keyboard in the OM accessories. It's about the size of the FR. Can't hold myself but to actually mention that the whole point of having separate keyboard to my mind is to have something significantly bigger than FR :) cheers, Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Keyboard for Openmoko
A wired but rollable mini keyboard that was discussed can be found here: http://oadigital.net/hardware/duraflex/duraflex-mini -feywulf --- On Mon, 5/25/09, Max m...@darim.com wrote: From: Max m...@darim.com Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboard for Openmoko To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Date: Monday, May 25, 2009, 11:29 PM Hi. I thought I saw information about foldable (rollable?) keyboard for FR but I can't find it now. Does anyone recall it? cheers, Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth Keyboard for Openmoko
Hi. I thought I saw information about foldable (rollable?) keyboard for FR but I can't find it now. Does anyone recall it? cheers, Max. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets in FSO
Paul Fertser ha scritto: DJDAS dj...@djdas.net writes: Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not unix-hackers ... That's why I wrote it ;) It's very nice you work on it. Too bad you use a dead-born deprecated distro ;) Well, to be honest I'm a maintainer of a distro called FDTF based on Om2008.9+FDOM(September version) I customized for the Italian community at http://forum.telefoninux.org. I still use it because it's quite stable, telephony works (little qtopia bugs but it's daily usable) and with the community suggestions I added various customizations in the startup scripts, keyboards, themes and so on. I'm stuck with it because I have no much time to re-test everything in FSO-based distros and I don't like their telephony-PIM (qtopia IMHO still rocks hard). So this is my development environment with pros cons obviously, but I think it's better to have a daily quite stable phone rather than something updated but quite unusable, I'll wait for real stable releases with no one who wants to recreate the wheel from scratch after something goes wrong at the end of the job ;) As Franky already mentioned, bluez3 and bluez4 interfaces are completely different, so porting won't be that easy :-/ No probs ;) It's just a matter of code One of the reasons FSO integrates functionality of powering and resetting devices is exactly that. Higher level app devs shouldn't be bothered with kernel changes, FSO quickly adopts to it and you receive all updates free. In fact, you might like the idea of FSO, take a look at specs ;) Oh, I know and appreciate FSO way but I need something really stable and working, not something randomly working after an update :P Seriously: as I said above I'll make BlueMoko compatible with FSO but for my daily use I'll stick with my FDTF until a real stable working out-of-the-box distro will be released ;) Thanks you, bye! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets in FSO
Paul Fertser ha scritto: Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be writes: And BTW, FSO-based distros should now support bluetooth headsets out of the box, one needs to follow instructions from [1]. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner I beg to differ, but if those instructions mean out of the box, then all commandline things are out of the box as well. Commandline instructions are very nice, but when you're in a car and try to pair with the car bluetooth, this is not practical at all. You need a gui there... You Qtopia guys seem to have a quite unusual (for a unix hackers) POV ;) Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. The fact stable telephony is still missing since 2 years doesn't seem lack of interest :P Seriously: BlueMoko is intended mainly as GUI for Bluetooth because every 20€ phone has its own... I started as proof-of-concept with those dependencies as they are the most stable to my daily use distro and working properly for my experiments, but consider it uses only DBUS calls to Bluez so if APIs don't change too much (I have to verify) it should work with Bluez4 too and for FSO I plan to integrate compatibility with it to let it work with every distro (except qtopia based obviously, but they should still have their BT GUI). Furthermore I didn't read of A2DP support in FSO and BlueMoko started with it in mind ;) If FSO team agrees too, they can integrate my future plans (file exchange, AVRCP, networking...) and we can work together to provide full BT support, provided I'd like to customize GUI handling to achieve compatibility with different toolkits (GTK, Elementary, console, etc..) Bye! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets in FSO (was: Re: [Om2008.x] Announcing BlueMoko 1.0b1)
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be writes: And BTW, FSO-based distros should now support bluetooth headsets out of the box, one needs to follow instructions from [1]. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner I beg to differ, but if those instructions mean out of the box, then all commandline things are out of the box as well. Commandline instructions are very nice, but when you're in a car and try to pair with the car bluetooth, this is not practical at all. You need a gui there... You Qtopia guys seem to have a quite unusual (for a unix hackers) POV ;) then you try to enter your commands on your FR in your car ... I think I just as well can put my phone aside, drive to my destination, tell them to wait half an hour, go back and start typing :-) Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not unix-hackers ... but I saw the announcement of a bluetooth gui for Om2008, aboeit for bluez3. Oh wait, that's what qtopia does as well :-) But since the newer kernels are there: no bluez3, thus no qtopia bluetooth ... hopefully for Om2009 final that'll change. Also, the person that wrote that wiki says However, I couldn't get an actual voice over it, just crackling. If this is no longer true, somebody should change it. Somebody should finally try to use this support and report the findings. Of course, Jan, who wrote the code, tried it and it worked for him. And BTW please take into account it seems that not all headsets are compatible with BT chip we use (at least it was the case some time ago, i guess i need to try again with my not-working headset and latest bluez and bluetooth-testing kernel branch). heh, trying to get your non-working headset to work, are you? :-) Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets in FSO
Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not unix-hackers ... That's why I wrote it ;) but I saw the announcement of a bluetooth gui for Om2008, aboeit for bluez3. Well those are minimum requirements as I couldn't test other distros but, as I wrote in the last post, I use only DBUS calls to Bluez so maybe it should work on other distros (probably in FSO to given I don't use FSO calls yet...). The only userspace dependency is PyGTK but I think almost every distro has it installed. I think the only real issue could be the power and reset /sys files which change between different kernel versions... I accept suggestions and patches too :P Thank you, bye! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets in FSO
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:11 PM, DJDAS dj...@djdas.net wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not unix-hackers ... That's why I wrote it ;) but I saw the announcement of a bluetooth gui for Om2008, aboeit for bluez3. Well those are minimum requirements as I couldn't test other distros but, as I wrote in the last post, I use only DBUS calls to Bluez so maybe it should work on other distros (probably in FSO to given I don't use FSO calls yet...). The only userspace dependency is PyGTK but I think almost every distro has it installed. I think the only real issue could be the power and reset /sys files which change between different kernel versions... I accept suggestions and patches too :P sure you do :-) DBUS calls have changed quite a lot between bluez3 and bluez4. I face the same problem for QtEi, but I don't feel like doing all that work on my own there (it's quite a big code change). So for now QtEi has no bluetooth in newer kernels (if they don't provide the bluez3 package anymore). Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets in FSO
DJDAS dj...@djdas.net writes: Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not unix-hackers ... That's why I wrote it ;) It's very nice you work on it. Too bad you use a dead-born deprecated distro ;) but I saw the announcement of a bluetooth gui for Om2008, aboeit for bluez3. Well those are minimum requirements as I couldn't test other distros but, as I wrote in the last post, I use only DBUS calls to Bluez so maybe it should work on other distros (probably in FSO to given I don't use FSO calls yet...). As Franky already mentioned, bluez3 and bluez4 interfaces are completely different, so porting won't be that easy :-/ The only userspace dependency is PyGTK but I think almost every distro has it installed. Yep, no problems with that. I think the only real issue could be the power and reset /sys files which change between different kernel versions... I accept suggestions and patches too :P One of the reasons FSO integrates functionality of powering and resetting devices is exactly that. Higher level app devs shouldn't be bothered with kernel changes, FSO quickly adopts to it and you receive all updates free. In fact, you might like the idea of FSO, take a look at specs ;) -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
http://www.opkg.org/package_61.html Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:44:32 +0200, Tilman Baumann til...@baumann.name wrote: Hehe, I once did this on a ICE train. I was bored so I scanned for bluetooth devices. And then send them text files. O group of girls answered. Was really funny. Bur did not help me to ge laied tough. :) Modern advances in mobile computing technologies still don't get one laid. Someone needs to work on that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:48:37 +0200 Alexey Feldgendler ale...@feldgendler.ru wrote: On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:44:32 +0200, Tilman Baumann til...@baumann.name wrote: Hehe, I once did this on a ICE train. I was bored so I scanned for bluetooth devices. And then send them text files. O group of girls answered. Was really funny. Bur did not help me to ge laied tough. :) Modern advances in mobile computing technologies still don't get one laid. Someone needs to work on that. Thanks guys. This mail is printed out and pinned to my refrigerator now. ;-) Regards, Daniel Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
PaulTT wrote: i think spam via bluetooth is even worse than email spamming. more and more worse. :( the idea and the implementation, however, it's veery coool :)) Well, with bluetooth you can either turn it off, or reject incoming offer. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/bluetooth-spam-tp2675548p2691649.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
What you haven't experienced then is Toothing. Apparently, it's rife on the trains between London and Brighton (in the UK) and often ends up with the people toothing each other getting it together... Nothing to do with spam. If OpenMoko made this really easy then there'd be lots of new users! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothing Being far to square for such fun, it's fortunate that my train goes to Bognor! Roland On 24 Apr 2009, at 10:48, PaulTT wrote: i think spam via bluetooth is even worse than email spamming. more and more worse. :( the idea and the implementation, however, it's veery coool :)) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
Roland Whitehead wrote: What you haven't experienced then is Toothing. Apparently, it's rife on the trains between London and Brighton (in the UK) and often ends up with the people toothing each other getting it together... Nothing to do with spam. If OpenMoko made this really easy then there'd be lots of new users! Hehe, I once did this on a ICE train. I was bored so I scanned for bluetooth devices. And then send them text files. O group of girls answered. Was really funny. Bur did not help me to ge laied tough. :) -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
El Friday, 24 de April de 2009 13:48:37 Alexey Feldgendler va escriure: O group of girls answered. Was really funny. Bur did not help me to ge laied tough. :) Modern advances in mobile computing technologies still don't get one laid. Someone needs to work on that. we need to fill a bug report then. G ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
i think spam via bluetooth is even worse than email spamming. more and more worse. :( the idea and the implementation, however, it's veery coool :)) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:44:32 +0200, Tilman Baumann til...@baumann.name wrote: Hehe, I once did this on a ICE train. I was bored so I scanned for bluetooth devices. And then send them text files. O group of girls answered. Was really funny. Bur did not help me to ge laied tough. :) Modern advances in mobile computing technologies still don't get one laid. Someone needs to work on that. -- Alexey Feldgendler ale...@feldgendler.ru [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
Jose Luis Perez Diez wrote: El Friday, 24 de April de 2009 13:48:37 Alexey Feldgendler va escriure: O group of girls answered. Was really funny. Bur did not help me to ge laied tough. :) Modern advances in mobile computing technologies still don't get one laid. Someone needs to work on that. we need to fill a bug report then. G And if someone stets the bug on 'WORKSFORME'? -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Tilman Baumann til...@baumann.name wrote: Jose Luis Perez Diez wrote: El Friday, 24 de April de 2009 13:48:37 Alexey Feldgendler va escriure: O group of girls answered. Was really funny. Bur did not help me to ge laied tough. :) Modern advances in mobile computing technologies still don't get one laid. Someone needs to work on that. we need to fill a bug report then. G And if someone stets the bug on 'WORKSFORME'? They get unceremoniously lynched by the list... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
2009/4/24 Roland Whitehead rol...@quru.com: What you haven't experienced then is Toothing. Apparently, it's rife on the trains between London and Brighton (in the UK) and often ends up with the people toothing each other getting it together... Nothing to do with spam. If OpenMoko made this really easy then there'd be lots of new users! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothing Which has a link to Dogging! BlueDogging anyone? :) I hacked my Bluetooth logger to post devices found to Twitter. A more interesting read than most people's Twitter feeds! John. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
Spam a file? Send it to everyone in range? Why? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:20 PM, The Digital Pioneer digitalpionee...@gmail.com wrote: Spam a file? Send it to everyone in range? Why? It seems, because he can do it, funny. -- So long, and thanks for all the fish. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
At a local employment expo 2 yrs or so ago, we sent the university logo and message to anyone wandering past the stand. I only found out when one great bear of a guy came up brandishing his phone ... did you guys do this ... with the image on his display - I didnt know it was even possible at the time! Thinking back, he might have assumed it replaced his favourite wallpaper - may have in fact? BillK On Wed, 2009-04-22 at 08:20 -0500, The Digital Pioneer wrote: Spam a file? Send it to everyone in range? Why? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: bluetooth spam
Spam a file? Send it to everyone in range? Why? The word why? is a taboo in this list, you fool !! dont you ever say it again !! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
Advertisers use it a lot. I've also spoken to someone who was using the spamming service for a community heritage project; you walked around and had details of the area you're in sent to your phone. It's just a case of needing a little imagination ;) 2009/4/22 The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com: Spam a file? Send it to everyone in range? Why? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
Evgeny ha scritto: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:20 PM, The Digital Pioneer digitalpionee...@gmail.com wrote: Spam a file? Send it to everyone in range? Why? It seems, because he can do it, funny. exactly :) the true i have code this application for spread mp3 of my band during live concert it's cool :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
Carlo Minucci wrote: Evgeny ha scritto: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:20 PM, The Digital Pioneer digitalpionee...@gmail.com wrote: Spam a file? Send it to everyone in range? Why? It seems, because he can do it, funny. exactly :) the true i have code this application for spread mp3 of my band during live concert it's cool :) Hold from that. Spread ogg :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
Hold from that. Spread ogg :) That's right, MP3 FTL. -- Thanks, The Digital Pioneer -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: bluetooth spam
Hmm.. The possibilities are endless. I imagine, however, that thre might be some media assets, like personal photos, that one would not want to spam around the club... or maybe not..Self promotion at its best. Carlo Minucci wrote: Evgeny ha scritto: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:20 PM, The Digital Pioneer digitalpionee...@gmail.com wrote: Spam a file? Send it to everyone in range? Why? It seems, because he can do it, funny. exactly :) the true i have code this application for spread mp3 of my band during live concert it's cool :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth and 2.6.28
2009/4/13 Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be: [...[ The version 3.33 dies upon suspend/resume. Maybe 3.36 doesn't, but that package isn't available somewhere (not for shr, nor for fso). So I can either use QtMoko, or ask if somebody can provide updated 3.36 packages of the bluez-3 implementation? Try this: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=bluez-utils Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth and 2.6.28
Can you prefix topics with [QtExtended] or [QtMoko] when you are talking about it? Thanks... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[qt moko] Re: Bluetooth and 2.6.28
to crash upon suspend/unsuspend. So after a resume, we need to manually restart the daemon. No big deal here, but since the daemon died, it seems qtextended no longer reregisters a bluetooth passkey agent when we relaunch hcid. As a result no pairings are possible anymore. So in short: hcid can't die :-) what about shutting down hci in a controlled way before suspending or stopping/restarting the whole bt subsystem (/etc/init.d/bluetooth [stop|start]) upon suspend|resume? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth and 2.6.28
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:19:59 +0200 Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: Can you prefix topics with [QtExtended] or [QtMoko] when you are talking about it? Thanks... I would, but this concerns Om2009 as well I believe, since that still uses QtExtended, but I thought it was going to be on a 2.6.28 kernel as well. Or maybe they do the bluetooth stuff not from qtextended? Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qt moko] Re: Bluetooth and 2.6.28
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:26:57 +0200 arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote: to crash upon suspend/unsuspend. So after a resume, we need to manually restart the daemon. No big deal here, but since the daemon died, it seems qtextended no longer reregisters a bluetooth passkey agent when we relaunch hcid. As a result no pairings are possible anymore. So in short: hcid can't die :-) what about shutting down hci in a controlled way before suspending or stopping/restarting the whole bt subsystem (/etc/init.d/bluetooth [stop|start]) upon suspend|resume? tried it all, but still nothing. Since there's no passkey agent anymore, all pairing fails. Weird though, since it worked ok in 2.6.24 I believe, so I wonder why hcid starts to crash. I know also that 2.6.2 kernels should work with bluetoothd (bluez4), but my knowledge of qtextended and bluetooth version 3/4 is way too limited to try and fix qtextended to use bluez4. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth and 2.6.28
Om2009, FSO and SHR are using bluez4 and 2.6.29 kernel. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 15:23, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:19:59 +0200 Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: Can you prefix topics with [QtExtended] or [QtMoko] when you are talking about it? Thanks... I would, but this concerns Om2009 as well I believe, since that still uses QtExtended, but I thought it was going to be on a 2.6.28 kernel as well. Or maybe they do the bluetooth stuff not from qtextended? Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth and 2.6.28
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:37:42 +0200 Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: Om2009, FSO and SHR are using bluez4 and 2.6.29 kernel. On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 15:23, Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be wrote: On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:19:59 +0200 Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: Can you prefix topics with [QtExtended] or [QtMoko] when you are talking about it? Thanks... I would, but this concerns Om2009 as well I believe, since that still uses QtExtended, but I thought it was going to be on a 2.6.28 kernel as well. Or maybe they do the bluetooth stuff not from qtextended? Franky ok, so what is (or will be) Om2009 using for bluetooth application-wise? Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth and 2.6.28
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:09:47 +0200 Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/13 Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be: [...[ The version 3.33 dies upon suspend/resume. Maybe 3.36 doesn't, but that package isn't available somewhere (not for shr, nor for fso). So I can either use QtMoko, or ask if somebody can provide updated 3.36 packages of the bluez-3 implementation? Try this: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=bluez-utils unfortunately that gives me an empty page (no search results). I already browsed through the angstrom package feeds before, but only found older versions at that time. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth and 2.6.28
2009/4/13 Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be: [...] Try this: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?pkgname=bluez-utils unfortunately that gives me an empty page (no search results). I already browsed through the angstrom package feeds before, but only found older versions at that time. Umh. it seems there is a problem with the package browser, but feeds are accessible, get it at: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2008/ipk/glibc/armv4t/base/bluez-utils_3.36-r4.1_armv4t.ipk Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth wake up
I suspect you'd get the answer in the kernel mailing list. On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:17:21 +0200 Nicola Mfb nicola@gmail.com wrote: It may be a stupid question... but: Is some sort of wake up on bluetooth supported (e.g. on incoming obex transfer) ? Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth wake up
2009/4/11 Yogiz yog...@gmail.com: I suspect you'd get the answer in the kernel mailing list. Thanks for the hint! I submitted my answer there. Sometimes ago I wrote some scripts to push messages generated from our server farm monitoring system to my Nokia via bluetooth obex push service. As obex-data-server works fine on my freerunner, I'd like to know if there is a way to do this without wasting batteries :) Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets to the rescue
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 04:21, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: Levy, We are very Keen to do business in Brazil. Maddog and I converse about this weekly on how to do a better job in Brazil. I'll work to get Him and the disty there some parts for upgrades. Hi Steve. Nice to hear! Thank you for your answer. []s Levy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets to the rescue
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 03:50, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: We are just in the process of working out those details. I've shipped the parts to fix phones to a few individuals and disty who have asked. Have here, at Brazil, anyone? Between 180 millions of people, and a huge country, we have around 20 FRs (and everyone thinks like we are not part of the America). Please, sell to us a board with the fix and *maybe* an upgrade! []s Lewis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets to the rescue
Levy, We are very Keen to do business in Brazil. Maddog and I converse about this weekly on how to do a better job in Brazil. I'll work to get Him and the disty there some parts for upgrades. Levy wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 03:50, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: We are just in the process of working out those details. I've shipped the parts to fix phones to a few individuals and disty who have asked. Have here, at Brazil, anyone? Between 180 millions of people, and a huge country, we have around 20 FRs (and everyone thinks like we are not part of the America). Please, sell to us a board with the fix and *maybe* an upgrade! []s Lewis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets to the rescue
Perhaps I can clear up some of the confusion about the official fix. What we have is this as a rough timeline etc. 1. We have Joerg's SOP. Joerg, Werner, Tony Tu and I worked to get this document reviewed and out to the community. At that point I wasnt apprised of any wired headset mic issue. Joerge put out a draft. I Wasnt aware of any wired headset mic issue. I think even if I had been I still would have let the document out. 2. We asked if engineering had verified the change and they had. However, We wanted to insure that the SOP could actually be followed by somebody in the feild. That it was it good enough to pass out to the community and tell people to just follow the instrcutions. 3. Several individuals in the field followed the instructions and reported back that the fix worked. ( I dont recall any of the early reports back indicating issues with wired hreadset mics. Nobody tested it I suppose ) 4. We asked for a test proceedure that would indicate whether the fix actually succeeded. The answer was our standard audio test. I'm pretty certain that it doesnt test a wired headset mic. 5. Engineering approved the SOP. 6. Now we need to actually test the yeild rate. One individual in the feild had screwed up his phone. I replaced it free of charge. And so we contacted a rework house to bid on fixing the remaining stock of A6 we have. They took the SOP, reworked some boards and gave us a quote. Given that the yield rate was unknown we planned to do sample rework of a couple hundred to see what the actual cost is. Since A7 is fairly close to shipping, it made more sense to the team to hold off on the rework and focus on getting A7 shipping. Now thats just the process for OM to fix the phones it has in store. What about those in the feild? Which is what the list really cares more about. What is our official position and Policy? Well, first and foremost we tend toward solutions that involve the community. Volunteers. We do it in software by having write code, we do it in marketing by having community members man trade show booths, we did it in sales with the group purchase, so when it comes to fixing the A6 in the field we are going to start with a volunteer approach. I think the actual idea came from somebody in the community who suggested that people bring their FR to a local show and they get somebody to fix phones. Building on that idea we throw in the party idea. So first and foremost this is going to be a community effort. We are just in the process of working out those details. I've shipped the parts to fix phones to a few individuals and disty who have asked. and spare phones for those that get borked up ( how many should that be??) There are some volunteers with soldering irons ready to do their best. Will there be a program beyond this? I don't know. It depends on how well the volunteer fix it approach goes. But we've got other ideas that we will test out there as well. Right now We ae doing what we can with the people have and the resources at hand. Is it going to take longer than we like? yes. will everyone on the list be happy? no. Paul Fertser wrote: ezuall ezu...@gmail.com writes: Would it be worth while to start a petition for the official fix in the wiki No. They obviously know that community is extremely irritated about it and want to hear _any_ official statement. But they prefer being silent. I guess we'll need to wait for another month for the final clarifications. And btw, in case you missed it, there're already 2 officially (OM-the-company) supported buzz rework parties planned. And don't forget that the proposed rework doesn't fix wired headset mic, it will still produce a lot of buzz. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets to the rescue
Steve, all, On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: Perhaps I can clear up some of the confusion about the official fix. What we have is this as a rough timeline etc. [Big snip] Steve, thanks for the official words on this. I assume (yes, I know about assumptions) that people tend to get unhappy if they don't hear anything 'official'. I guess people get impatient if there is nothing they can do. It's a community effort after all, as you said. Christ van Willegen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
