Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Censorship of Community-discuss
Hi Noah, I remember the reason for calling this temporary emergency moderation. I used the word censorship because I find it strange that emails are not showing up are: https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2022-July/thread.html <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2022-July/thread.html> What I understood was that even rejected emails would be archived but it does not seem so. IMO to counter fake news, the other party should provide verifiable information. Anything else that is not substantiated and/or has nothing to do with the AFRINIC community, should be flagged as it would certainly breach the afrinic.net/code <http://afrinic.net/code>. Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd > On 28 Jul 2022, at 16:24, Noah wrote: > > Hi Ish, > > I don't think the list is censored, what I recall was an implementation of a > necessary moderation inlight of the fake news accusations related to > terrorism by one of the community list participants. > > I think that was a right call by AFRINIC management so that fake news can be > contained from spreading like wildfire. > > Whatever is not fake news is not moderated and as you can see, I am able to > read and respond back to you. > > ./noah > neo - network engineering and operations > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 9:32 AM Ish Sookun <mailto:ish.soo...@lasentinelle.mu>> wrote: > Dear Eddy, > > I noticed that certain emails are appearing on the Community Discuss mailing > list archive and some emails are not. > > Is the mailing list still being censored? If yes, by whom? > > In your email [1] dated 24 June 2022, you stated that all emails, accepted or > rejected will be archived. However, that does not seem to be the case. Is > there an explanation? > > Regards, > > ——— > > Ish Sookun > > Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd > > [1] > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2022-June/005421.html > <https://protect-za.mimecast.com/s/4mdsCP1lKOI9gjrczuVk_> > ___ > Members-Discuss mailing list > members-disc...@afrinic.net <mailto:members-disc...@afrinic.net> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > <https://protect-za.mimecast.com/s/rN04CQ1mKPIgV2ETPG70p> signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Ongoing court cases
Hi SM, The usual practice is that the board directors of a company choose the Chief Executive Officer. However, in this incident reported by Paul Wollner, it appears that Eddy Kayihura who is currently the CEO, is choosing a majority of the board. What is your opinion on this? Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd > On 20 Jul 2022, at 23:59, Paul Wollner wrote: > > Dear community, > > I am curious about the case 42 (refer to attached image), Eddy vs AFRINIC > under company act 136, appointment of directors. Why has this case been > removed from the AFRINIC website? > > Is Eddy trying to bypass elections to appoint directors of his own? > > Paul > > > > ___ > Members-Discuss mailing list > members-disc...@afrinic.net > https://protect-za.mimecast.com/s/qHTHC1jqpXCxNgySLqdtA signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Ongoing court cases
Dear Eddy, > On 21 Jul 2022, at 11:51, Eddy Kayihura wrote: > > However, in view of ongoing internal discussions at Afrinic regarding that > case, I thought it best to pull down that addition for the time-being but I > undertake to come back on the publication as well as all necessary > explanations as soon as I can, be it by way of a post or even a webinar. I see that the case “Kayihura Mabano Eddy vs AFRINIC” has not been re-listed on the AFRINIC website. I haven’t seen any explanation that you promised either. Do you intend to keep your promise before the end of the month? Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
[Community-Discuss] Censorship of Community-discuss
Dear Eddy, I noticed that certain emails are appearing on the Community Discuss mailing list archive and some emails are not. Is the mailing list still being censored? If yes, by whom? In your email [1] dated 24 June 2022, you stated that all emails, accepted or rejected will be archived. However, that does not seem to be the case. Is there an explanation? Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2022-June/005421.html signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Interim order of June 14th 2022
Hi Owen, > On 20 Jun 2022, at 10:20, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss > wrote: > > As far as I am concerned, the AFRINIC board and management are the > adversaries and they are so _BECAUSE_ they are acting contrary to the bylaws > and against the interests of the membership and community. > By saying that “they are acting [...] against the interests of the membership and community, are you speaking for the majority of members and the community? You can perhaps speak for one organisation or maybe a few, but I don’t think your statement represents the sentiment of the community. Regards, Ish Sookun signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
[Community-Discuss] Congratulations to the new Chair & Vice-Chair of AFRINIC
Dear Mr. Eshun & Dr. Omari, I congratulate both of you for your appointment as Chairman and Vice-Chairman of AFRINIC respectively. I wish you all the best and hope you will be able to navigate the organisation through the rough waters. I also thank SM for his time, guidance and leadership. Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Raised concerns
Dear Mr. Kayihura, > On 2 Jun 2022, at 19:38, Eddy Kayihura wrote: > > We addressed this by accommodating multiple representatives not exceeding 5 > persons per organisation to follow the proceedings of the AGMM. However, to > achieve this, we will require the names and individual email addresses of > those intending to attend the meeting online. Kindly provide with those > information so that we can arrange individual token to > mailto:agmm2...@afrinic.net <mailto:agmm2...@afrinic.net> Friday 3 June 2022 > by 06:30 UTC. > Thank you for addressing the issue. It is much appreciated & kudos to the logistical/technical team. Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)
Hi Owen, > On 2 Jun 2022, at 20:16, Owen DeLong wrote: > > It would be legitimate to insist that only one of those members of the > “representative team” do the speaking and voting on behalf of the entire > representative team, but limiting the online presence only to one > representative per organization is unreasonable. > I will not support that only one person from the “representative team” to do the speaking. Technical, legal and financials are three distinct subjects and I do not find it exaggerated if an organisation would like to have a three-member representative to speak on these subjects individually during the AGMM. > Further, there is very long and well established precedence against such a > restriction. Any change of such magnitude should certainly come with > sufficient notice for the change to be considered, deliberated, and either > agreed or rejected by the membership. Yes, indeed. I agree with you. The online restriction should have been communicated to members much in advance. Those who oppose the restriction would get ample time to discuss with AFRINIC or seek appropriate advice. Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)
Hi Noah, > On 1 Jun 2022, at 23:25, Noah wrote: > > English is not my lingo as Swahili was my first language and primary language > but I tend to think that the meaning changes depending on how words are > contracted together. > > 1. A representative of > 2. Representatives of > 3. Representative > 4. Representatives... > > Do all the above have the same meaning. No, the above do not have the same meaning. Let me put this differently. When we go to the open mic and we state our name & affiliation, what is the purpose of that? The affiliation matters more than the name. Two persons affiliated with the same organisation cannot be counted as a plural representation because the affiliation is singular. Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)
Hi Noah, > On 1 Jun 2022, at 22:22, Noah wrote: > > Part of the above sentence reads ... > > appoint "A" representative…. I understand the “A” and the second word is “representative”. A representative can be a person or a group of persons. I don’t see why AFRINIC would prohibit a member from being represented by a group of persons. If a company wants to be represented by two persons having two distinct set of skills & knowledge, should that be prohibited? One Resource Member should have one vote only but attendance and participation (questions/feedback/comments) should not be limited but in fact encouraged. Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)
Hi Andrew, AFRINIC Comms & Legal, > On 1 Jun 2022, at 22:14, Andrew Alston > wrote: > > Why is there a restriction on multiple members from the same organization > attending online - as stated we understand the physical restrictions - but > the online restriction does not make sense. > Yes, indeed. Besides I do not think this restriction, on online attendance, was applied in previous meetings. There hasn’t been any amendment to that particular article of the Bylaws between Kampala and now, unless I am wrong. Therefore, why the restriction on online attendance, now? Asking one member of the organisation to join the meeting platform and the other to watch on YouTube. Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)
Dear AFRINIC Comms, Thank you for the prompt reply. > On 1 Jun 2022, at 21:58, AFRINIC Communication wrote: > > Therefore, where a company has delegated for example two persons to attend > the AGMM, only one of them will be admitted to the main AGMM Room (subject to > covid-19 sanitary restriction - i.e. 50 pax) and the other person will again, > subject to covid-19 sanitary restriction, be admitted to the secondary room > where the latter will be able to follow the proceedings as an 'observer only. As an observer, the other person will not be allowed to ask questions. Am I correct? Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/private/members-discuss/2022-May/003275.html signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)
Dear AFRINIC Legal, > On 31 May 2022, at 16:23, le...@afrinic.net wrote: > > 5.1 You may access the AGMM 2022 online platform via the following url > https://ais.conf.meetecho.com/conference/?group=agmm > <https://protect-za.mimecast.com/s/2QqSCqj5pKCJB5RhXVz3p>. You will receive a > special token by Wednesday, 01 June 2022, that will enable you to log onto > the online platform and participate in the AGMM 2022. You are further > informed that since a corporation may be represented by ONE representative at > the AGMM, once a representative of a Resource Member has accessed the AGMM > platform, no-other will be able to access the same using the same token. All > other interested persons may, however, follow the AGMM proceedings through > AFRINIC’s youtube channel. I read Article 12.14(9) of the AFRINIC Bylaws. It says that corporations may act by representative. In the above you say ONE representative. Nowhere in the Bylaws or the Companies Act 2001 of Mauritius, the word “representative” is defined as being ONE “person”. Can you please help me understand this? Do the Bylaws prevent in any way, for a Resource Member to be represented by ONE “group” of two persons? The two persons being ONE representative of the Resource Member? Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)
Dear AFRINIC Comms, > On 31 May 2022, at 22:00, AFRINIC Communication wrote: > > Article 12.14(9) provides, inter-alia as follows - "Corporations may act by > representative. A corporate body, which is a Member, may appoint a > representative to attend an Annual General Members’ Meeting on its behalf in > the same manner as that in which it could appoint a proxy.”. The above does not specify that a corporate body cannot be represented by more than one person in the AGMM. Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)
Dear Legal Team, > On 31 May 2022, at 16:23, le...@afrinic.net wrote: > 2.4 The attention of our Resource Members is specifically drawn to article > 12(9) of the Bylaws which provides that "a corporate body, which is a Member, > may appoint a representative to attend an Annual General Members' Meeting on > its behalf in the same manner as that in which it could appoint a proxy". > Therefore, in addition to the prevailing sanitary protocol, you are hereby > expressly informed that physical access to the designated AGMM Room shall be > restricted to ONE representative of a Resource Member only. The same > principle shall apply to Resource Members participating virtually. All other > interested persons will be able to follow the proceedings online via the > AFRINIC's youtube channel. > It is a pity that such information is sent only three two days before the AGMM. Also, for a minute let’s agree that due to the restriction on 50 pax in a room you are limiting the attendance to one representative per Resource Member, then why is such limitation applied to Resource Members participating virtually? > 4. Proxy appointment > > 4.1 Subject to the election process approved by the Board - > https://afrinic.net/election-process/board/2022 > <https://protect-za.mimecast.com/s/fd1ICpgKoJspk8yIP4uy7>, you are reminded > that registration with respect to the appointment of proxy started on > Thursday 19 May 2022 and closed on Saturday, 28 May 2022, i.e. 5 clear days > before the election day. > I understood from AFRINIC Comms email [1] dated 27 May that AFRINIC will not go ahead with the Board elections. Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/private/members-discuss/2022-May/003226.html signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chair Selection Candidates Matrix
Hi Jordi, > On 20 May 2022, at 13:53, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ > wrote: > > While the number of emails is significative, I was not looking into just > counting them. Also, you will need to point how many each year, if they are > related to specific proposals, and so many variables, that, as you very well > said “Do read these emails …”. Yes, indeed. That is why I mentioned reading the emails. One should be able to draw his/her own conclusion. Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] AFRINIC PDWG Co-Chair Selection Candidates Matrix
Dear all, I had a look at the profiles of the four nominees. I also searched the AFRINIC RPD mailing list archive to see if the nominees have contributed to policy discussions. Darwin Da Costa 6 emails between 2019 - 2021 Benjamin Mutemi Mutua Zero contribution Chuene Alfred Semono Zero contribution Prof. Nasir Faruk 15 emails between 2019 - 2021 Do read these emails if you want to evaluate the candidates further. Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd > On 19 May 2022, at 18:02, AFRINIC Policy Liaison > wrote: > > Dear PDWG, > > We reached out to the nominators/seconders of the 4 nominees and have > summarised the outcome in the table below. > > > We now request the PDWG to move forward to shortlist and select their > candidate for the PDWG Co-chair. The CVs of the candidates will be published > on the AFRINIC website shortly. > > Kind Regards > Policy Liaison Team > > > > > Cher PDWG > > Nous avons contacté les personnes qui ont proposé les candidats ainsi leurs > seconds, et ceux pour les 4 candidats et avons résumé les réponses dans le > tableau ci-dessous. > > > > Nous demandons maintenant au PDWG de procéder à la présélection et ensuite de > sélectionner le prochain coprésidence du PDWG. Les CV des candidats seront > publiés prochainement sur le site de l'AFRINIC. > > Cordialement, > Policy Liaison Team > > > -- > AFRINIC Policy Liaison. > t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w:www.afrinic.net > facebook.com/afrinic > <https://protect-za.mimecast.com/s/xJ5rC8qAzjfBDylfnJ9US> | > flickr.com/afrinic <https://protect-za.mimecast.com/s/JeC8C98BAkirLwvCERygq> > | youtube.com/afrinicmedia > <https://protect-za.mimecast.com/s/ZeWDC0gpoWsYqAKT24yS8>___ > RPD mailing list > r...@afrinic.net > https://protect-za.mimecast.com/s/fgGTCg5KDwI4Ozri3QypD signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number Resource Society)
Hi Owen, > On 20 May 2022, at 11:11, Owen DeLong wrote: > > I have no affiliation or business with NRS whatsoever, but I will say that we > do need to hold RIRs accountable when they are not properly serving the > community. My question is not how do we hold the RIRs accountable. My question is how does the Number Resource Society hold the RIRs accountable? > Currently, the only ways to hold them accountable is to replace the board > members that are acting against their mandate through the election process > and through litigation against their invalid acts. > > That is one of the reasons an injunction was sought (and obtained) against > their attempt at an improper election. The action of one resource member does not represent the wish of the community or resource members. Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number Resource Society)
Hi Paul & Samuel, > On 18 May 2022, at 15:36, Samuel Uzoechi wrote: > > To accomplish this goal, we strive to hold the regional internet registries > (RIR) systems accountable, and make sure they function as they were created > to. How do you hold the regional internet registries (RIR) systems accountable? Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Visit AFRINIC member by NRS (Number Resource Society)
Hi Pascal, > On 17 May 2022, at 12:55, Pascal ANDRIANISA wrote: > > In our NREN in Madagascar, we had a visit from NRS (Number Resource Society) > who told us that they work with AFRINIC. > I think that AFRINIC will have informed these members if this was the case. > Also, he is thinking of selling IP addresses and setting up an office there > and NRS offers us free ISO standard training. > Needless to say, IP addresses are free. > > And NRS left us his card. Thank you for sharing this information. Did the NRS staff/agent explained the process of “selling” IP addresses? Regards, ——— Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Announcement of Final Candidate Slate for AFRINIC Board Elections
Dear members of NomCom, On 10/05/2022 19:25, AFRINIC Communication wrote: > Candidates Full Names for the Region: Independent | Seat 7 > > 4. Mrs Clara Mramba - CV available at https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba > <https://afrinic.net/clara-mramba> > > 5. Mrs Grace Githaiga - CV available > at https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga > <https://afrinic.net/grace-githaiga> > > Full candidates information has been published > at https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x > <https://afrinic.net/participate/election-process/bod-candidates-slate-2022x> > > The community and members are hereby invited to view candidates details > and express any comments about the suitability of the candidates for the > board position using the comment section at the URL above. I know of at least one person from Mauritius who was nominated for the Independent Seat 7 and who IMHO, is a capable candidate who should have met with all you criteria, but I don't see the name in the list. May I know on what grounds was the nomination of the Mauritian nominee rejected? Regards, -- Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Governance Committee Communique
Ho Owen, On 03/05/2022 04:36, Owen DeLong wrote: > It puts the board in the position of being able to appoint the board > through the casual vacancy process for up to nearly the full term of > each board seat potentially. > Yes. > It allows a corrupt board to perpetuate itself by eliminating the > elected members in favor of appointing corrupt members for the remainder > of the term. > Yes. > OTOH, if they are limited to casual vacancies only lasting until the > next meeting at which elections can occur, it prevents this process > because they cannot appoint members to multi-year terms. Yes. Casual vacancies should last only until the next meeting. The candidate should be eligible for re-election, if he/she wishes to stand, but nomination/application should go through normal NomCom procedures. The next elected candidate should receive only the remaining term of the previous candidate though, instead of the full three-year term. Thus, not impacting on the staggered terms. Regards, -- Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Governance Committee Communique
Hello folks, On 28/04/2022 11:07, AFRINIC Communication wrote: > > 2. In an event that a casual vacancy must be filled, the Board should > fill the said vacancy till the end of the previous candidate’s mandate, > i.e. when the next AGMM of the respective seat comes up for election per > Article 13.6 and Article 13.7 of the 2020 By-Laws. What could go wrong with this proposal? Regards, -- Ish Sookun Systems Architect @ La Sentinelle Ltd ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Update on the complaint lodged against AFRINIC at the Competition Commission of Mauritius
Dear Eddy,
I believe it will in the interest of the community to share the letter
with any personal data redacted and also share the submissions of
AFRINIC to the CCM.
Is there any other reason apart from protecting personal data for
AFRINIC not to share the letter publicly?
Regards,
--
Ish Sookun
On 17/02/2022 15:27, AFRINIC Communication wrote:
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> An anonymous complaint was lodged against AFRINIC in September 2021 at
> the Competition Commission of Mauritius ("CCM") pertaining to alleged
> anti-competitive conduct on the part of AFRINIC with respect to the
> transfer of resources.
>
> The CCM had found no such restrictive business practice on the part of
> AFRINIC within the meaning of the Competition Act 2007; and the inquiry
> has been closed with no further action. This was documented in their
> letter dated 22 December 2021, Unfortunately however, we cannot publicly
> share the CCM’s letter.
>
> As a community driven membership based organisation, there are
> committees, working groups and processes set in place to address any
> issues that might need to be addressed.
>
> We shall continue to collaborate with all institutions, government or
> otherwise, and continue to deliver on our functions as responsible
> Regional Internet Registry.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Eddy Kayihura,
> Chief Executive Officer,
> African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC)
> c...@afrinic.net
>
> ………..
>
> Chers collègues,
>
> Une plainte anonyme a été déposée contre AFRINIC en septembre 2021
> auprès de la Competition Commission of Mauritius ("CCM") concernant un
> comportement anticoncurrentiel présumé de la part d'AFRINIC en matière
> de transfert de ressources.
>
> La CCM n'a trouvé aucune pratique commerciale restrictive de la part
> d'AFRINIC au sens de la loi sur la concurrence de 2007, et l'enquête a
> été classée sans suite. Ceci a été documenté dans leur lettre datée du
> 22 décembre 2021, mais nous ne pouvons malheureusement pas partager
> publiquement la lettre de la CCM.
>
> En tant qu'organisation basée sur l'adhésion et dirigée par la
> communauté, des comités, des groupes de travail et des processus ont été
> mis en place pour répondre à toutes les questions qui pourraient être
> abordées.
>
> Nous continuerons à collaborer avec toutes les institutions,
> gouvernementales ou autres, et à remplir nos fonctions de Registre
> Internet régional responsable.
>
>
> Cordialement,
>
> Eddy Kayihura,
> Directeur général,
> Centre africain d'information sur les réseaux (AFRINIC)
> c...@afrinic.net
>
> .
>
> زملائي الأعزاء،
>
> يسعدني أن أشارككم الحكم الصادر بالأمس ، 14 فبراير 2022 ، في قضية
> الاستئناف المرجع Cloud Innovation Ltd vs African Network Information
> Center (AfriNIC) Ltd. https://afrinic.net/ast/case9-judgement.pdf
> <https://afrinic.net/ast/case9-judgement.pdf>
>
> تم رفع هذه القضية ردًا على خطاب أرسلته AFRINIC إلى Cloud Innovation
> Limited بتاريخ 10 مارس 2021 وفقًا لأحكام اتفاقية خدمة التسجيل (RSA) حيث
> أكدت AFRINIC أن Cloud Innovation Ltd كانت ولا تزال تنتهك RSA.
>
> ينبع هذا الاستئناف من طلب Cloud Innovation Limited للأمر المؤقت ، والذي
> تم منحه في البداية لصالحها في 29 مارس 2021 ، ولكن بعد ذلك ألغاه القاضي
> الموقر في الدوائر في 07 يوليو 2021. استأنفت Cloud Innovation Limited ضد
> هذا الحكم ، و عُقدت جلسة الاستماع في 27 يناير 2022.
>
> لا شك أن هذا يعد معلمًا أساسيًا لـ AFRINIC ، ونود أن نشكر الفريق وأصحاب
> المصلحة لدينا على دعمهم المستمر.
>
> وببساطة ، فإن دائرة الاستئناف في المحكمة العليا لموريشيوس ، بعد أن نظرت
> في الحجج المقدمة من كلا الجانبين ، رفضت الاستئناف. بعبارة أخرى ، حازت
> AFRINIC على هذا النداء.
>
>
>
> أطيب التحيات،
>
>
> إيدي كاييهورا ،
> الرئيس التنفيذى،
> المركز الأفريقي لمعلومات الشبكة (AFRINIC)
> c...@afrinic.net
>
>
> ……
>
> Caros Colegas,
>
> Tenho o prazer de partilhar convosco o julgamento mais esperado e
> favorável para a AFRINIC proferido ontem, 14 de Fevereiro de 2022, no
> processo de recurso ref Cloud Innovation Ltd contra African Network
> Information Centre (AfriNIC) Ltd.
> https://afrinic.net/ast/case9-judgement.pdf
> <https://afrinic.net/ast/case9-judgement.pdf>
>
> Recordará que este recurso decorre do pedido de injunção provisória da
> Cloud Innovation Ltd, que foi inicialmente concedido a seu favor a 29 de
> Março de 2021, mas depois anulado pelo Meritíssimo Juiz das Câmaras a 07
> de Julho de 2021. A Cloud Innovation Ltd tinha recorrido dessa sentença
> e a audiência teve lugar a 27 de Janeiro de 2022.
>
> Simplificando, a Divisão de Apelação do Supremo Tribunal das Maurícias,
> após t
Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments
Owen, as per Patrice's reply, you did not say that Cloud Innovation Ltd is your client. You said it is one of your company's client. Your company name and affiliation is not mentioned in the article. Yes, you can again blame it on the journalist. That's very easy to do. However, you could have simply been true & honest by giving the information upfront and clearly instructing Patrice that your affiliation be mentioned in the article for transparency sake. Even if he missed it, you could have asked for correction/update after you read the article. @Patrice, I will remove you from the recipients list in my future replies on this topic. You do not need to deal with this. I thank you again for your prompt reply. Regards, -- Ish Sookun On Wednesday, 4 August 2021 08:06:48 +04 Owen DeLong wrote: > I’ve made no secret at any point (since it became the case) of the fact that > Cloud Innovation is one of my clients. Do you routinely tell everyone you > talk to who your clients are as a matter of course? > > When asked, I told the truth. Plainly, directly, and immediately. > > The fact that I didn’t volunteer the information upon introduction does not > in any way affect the validity or accuracy of what I had to say. > > Owen > > > On Aug 3, 2021, at 04:33 , Omo Oaiya wrote: > > > > Hello Patrice, > > > > My thanks too. I understand from your comment that Owen Delong did not > > volunteer this information. > > > > I have read the article. The fact that Owen did not disclose upfront that > > he was hired by Cloud Innovation makes his opinion less meaningful and > > suspect. Something you perhaps want to correct so you are not complicit > > in deceiving your readership. > > > > Best wishes, > > Omo > > > > > > On Tue, 3 Aug 2021 at 12:19, Ish Sookun > <mailto:ish.soo...@lasentinelle.mu>> wrote: Hi Patrice, > > > > Thank you. Indeed, your reply helps and it is appreciated. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -- > > Ish Sookun > > > > On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:54:45 +04 Patrice Donzelot wrote: > > > Hi Ish > > > > > > As M. Delong mentioned, he told me CI is his company's client. But it > > > was > > > not mentioned in the first email I got. In a reply, I ask him which > > > relation he has with CI. I hope it helps. > > > > > > Regards > > > Patrice Donzelot > > > patr...@defimedia.info <mailto:patr...@defimedia.info> > > > (+230)57864142 / (+230)2070666 > > > > > > > > > From: Ish Sookun > > <mailto:ish.soo...@lasentinelle.mu>> Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2021, > > > 11:58 > > > To: Owen DeLong > > > Cc: Patrice Donzelot; Community Discuss > > > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent > > > AFRINIC developments > > > > > > Hi Patrice, > > > > > > I am looping you in a discussion thread on the AFRINIC mailing list [1] > > > which has a public archive. > > > > > > As per Owen Delong's below statement, it seems that he didn't conceal > > > that > > > he is a consultant for Cloud Innovation Ltd and that you « perhaps » > > > chose > > > not to print that information in the Défimedia [1] article. > > > > > > For the sake of transparency, can you tell us whether Owen's > > > professional > > > relationship with Cloud Innovation Ltd was disclosed to you or not? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -- > > > Ish Sookun > > > > > > [1] > > > https://defimedia.info/litige-qui-menace-internet-laccusateur-contredit-afrinic > > > <https://defimedia.info/litige-qui-menace-internet-laccusateur-contredit-afrinic>> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 11:03:31 +04 Owen DeLong wrote: > > > > The fact that Patrice chose not to print it when he paraphrased my > > > > remarks > > > > does not mean that I did not disclose it to him. > > > > > > > > You are mistaken in believing that I concealed it or did not tell him. > > > > Perhaps you should ask him yourself why he did not disclose that CI is > > > > one > > > > of my consulting clients, which is exactly what I told him. > > > > > > > > Owen > > > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 2021, at 23:30 , Ish Sookun > > > > <mailto:ish.soo...@lasentinelle.mu>> wrote: > > > > > > > > &g
Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments
Hi Patrice, Thank you. Indeed, your reply helps and it is appreciated. Cheers, -- Ish Sookun On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 14:54:45 +04 Patrice Donzelot wrote: > Hi Ish > > As M. Delong mentioned, he told me CI is his company's client. But it was > not mentioned in the first email I got. In a reply, I ask him which > relation he has with CI. I hope it helps. > > Regards > Patrice Donzelot > patr...@defimedia.info > (+230)57864142 / (+230)2070666 > > ________ > From: Ish Sookun > Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2021, 11:58 > To: Owen DeLong > Cc: Patrice Donzelot; Community Discuss > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent > AFRINIC developments > > Hi Patrice, > > I am looping you in a discussion thread on the AFRINIC mailing list [1] > which has a public archive. > > As per Owen Delong's below statement, it seems that he didn't conceal that > he is a consultant for Cloud Innovation Ltd and that you « perhaps » chose > not to print that information in the Défimedia [1] article. > > For the sake of transparency, can you tell us whether Owen's professional > relationship with Cloud Innovation Ltd was disclosed to you or not? > > Regards, > > -- > Ish Sookun > > [1] > https://defimedia.info/litige-qui-menace-internet-laccusateur-contredit-afrinic > > On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 11:03:31 +04 Owen DeLong wrote: > > The fact that Patrice chose not to print it when he paraphrased my remarks > > does not mean that I did not disclose it to him. > > > > You are mistaken in believing that I concealed it or did not tell him. > > Perhaps you should ask him yourself why he did not disclose that CI is one > > of my consulting clients, which is exactly what I told him. > > > > Owen > > > > > On Aug 2, 2021, at 23:30 , Ish Sookun > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Owen, > > > > > > On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 07:38:35 +04 Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss > > > > > > wrote: > > >> Under such a circumstance, with so many customers and the company’s > > >> reputation on the line, the decision was made (well above my pay grade) > > >> that it was necessary to pursue legal remedies to protect the company > > >> from > > >> AFRINIC’s unreasonable actions. > > > > > > Don't you think you forgot to mention your affiliation with CI when > > > addressing to the journalist of Défimedia newspaper [1] (Mauritius)? I > > > refer to your> > > > > > > statement: > > >« Le consultant américain et spécialiste d’internet, Owen DeLong a > > > > > > également souhaité réagir. Il prend position en faveur de Cloud > > > Innovation. Dans un courriel adressé au Défi Plus [...] Owen DeLong > > > estime lui aussi que Cloud Innovation est dans son bon droit. » > > > > > > Don't you think this piece of information was important to the readers, > > > that you are on CI payroll and not an independent American consultant & > > > Internet specialist saying that CI is right? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -- > > > Ish Sookun > > > > > > [1] > > > https://defimedia.info/litige-qui-menace-internet-laccusateur-contredit-afrinic ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments
Hi Patrice, I am looping you in a discussion thread on the AFRINIC mailing list [1] which has a public archive. As per Owen Delong's below statement, it seems that he didn't conceal that he is a consultant for Cloud Innovation Ltd and that you « perhaps » chose not to print that information in the Défimedia [1] article. For the sake of transparency, can you tell us whether Owen's professional relationship with Cloud Innovation Ltd was disclosed to you or not? Regards, -- Ish Sookun [1] https://defimedia.info/litige-qui-menace-internet-laccusateur-contredit-afrinic On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 11:03:31 +04 Owen DeLong wrote: > The fact that Patrice chose not to print it when he paraphrased my remarks > does not mean that I did not disclose it to him. > > You are mistaken in believing that I concealed it or did not tell him. > Perhaps you should ask him yourself why he did not disclose that CI is one > of my consulting clients, which is exactly what I told him. > > Owen > > > On Aug 2, 2021, at 23:30 , Ish Sookun wrote: > > > > Hi Owen, > > > > On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 07:38:35 +04 Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss > > > > wrote: > >> Under such a circumstance, with so many customers and the company’s > >> reputation on the line, the decision was made (well above my pay grade) > >> that it was necessary to pursue legal remedies to protect the company > >> from > >> AFRINIC’s unreasonable actions. > > > > Don't you think you forgot to mention your affiliation with CI when > > addressing to the journalist of Défimedia newspaper [1] (Mauritius)? I > > refer to your> > > statement: > >« Le consultant américain et spécialiste d’internet, Owen DeLong a > > > > également souhaité réagir. Il prend position en faveur de Cloud > > Innovation. Dans un courriel adressé au Défi Plus [...] Owen DeLong > > estime lui aussi que Cloud Innovation est dans son bon droit. » > > > > Don't you think this piece of information was important to the readers, > > that you are on CI payroll and not an independent American consultant & > > Internet specialist saying that CI is right? > > > > Regards, > > > > -- > > Ish Sookun > > > > [1] > > https://defimedia.info/litige-qui-menace-internet-laccusateur-contredit-afrinic ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments
Hi Owen, On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 07:38:35 +04 Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote: > Under such a circumstance, with so many customers and the company’s > reputation on the line, the decision was made (well above my pay grade) > that it was necessary to pursue legal remedies to protect the company from > AFRINIC’s unreasonable actions. Don't you think you forgot to mention your affiliation with CI when addressing to the journalist of Défimedia newspaper [1] (Mauritius)? I refer to your statement: « Le consultant américain et spécialiste d’internet, Owen DeLong a également souhaité réagir. Il prend position en faveur de Cloud Innovation. Dans un courriel adressé au Défi Plus [...] Owen DeLong estime lui aussi que Cloud Innovation est dans son bon droit. » Don't you think this piece of information was important to the readers, that you are on CI payroll and not an independent American consultant & Internet specialist saying that CI is right? Regards, -- Ish Sookun [1] https://defimedia.info/litige-qui-menace-internet-laccusateur-contredit-afrinic ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs
Hi Owen, On Sunday, 1 August 2021 21:36:55 +04 Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote: > There are very few powers that be for dealing with a situation where an > RIR’s board and/or management run amok and contrary to the rules which > govern them. The NRO cannot make any significant action without the > unanimous consent of all 5 RIR CEOs, so the NRO has no capacity to act to > correct an aberrant RIR. The only actions available to correct aberrant > behavior by an RIRs board are the ballot box (replace the board over the > course of 3 years, or bring an appropriate resolution at a general members > meeting (annual or special)) or the legal system (courts). Unfortunately, > AFRINIC’s bylaws are structured such that an aberrant board is allowed to > block virtually any motion it doesn’t like from being placed on the agenda > of a general members meeting. I see that AFRINIC has about 1,931 (as per [1]). From observation, a small number of members have expressed themselves on the members list on this matter. I haven't read enough expression or support for non-confidence on the board on the members list. So, what does a re-election solve here? IMHO it does not solve the current issue, does not help with the case, does not guarantee members of any more stability of the AFRINIC infra, but only seems like a hard hammer on a group of people who already have a lot on their plate right now. Regards, -- Ish Sookun [1] https://afrinic.net/membership/list ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs
Hi Paul, On Saturday, 31 July 2021 10:00:27 +04 Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote: > “The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and > especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, which > is attached to this email, regarding the AFRINIC’s inability to keep > providing its core registry functions due to its inability to meet its > financial requirements.” That's your interpretation of the l'express [1] article? It could also be read as CI's actions have put the regional connectivity and the global Internet at risk. The article does not mention CI and its co- founder for nothing. I quote for reference: « Toutefois, la compagnie ne s’en est pas contentée. Elle a déposé une réclamation en dommages-intérêts contre Afrinic le 23 juillet pour «résiliation illégale» et «actes illégaux». La Cour suprême a accédé à la requête en se basant sur les informations fournies par CI. Elle prévient toutefois qu’une contre-attaque d’Afrinic est possible «aux risques et périls» de CI. L’affaire sera de nouveau appelée en cour le 4 août. » Regards, -- Ish Sookun [1] https://www.lexpress.mu/article/397372/litige-entre-afrinic-et-cloud-innovation-reseau-internet-risque-detre-compromis ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs
Shouldn't these be evidence for AFRINIC's legal team to show how the destruction of the organisation is being orchestrated? Regards, -- Ish Sookun On Saturday, 31 July 2021 02:02:49 +04 Bill Woodcock wrote: > Worthy of note, this morning someone with the email address 龙腾网络 <68688...@qq.com> posted the following unsigned missive to the APNIC discussion mailing list: > > From: "龙腾网络" <68688...@qq.com> > > Subject: [apnic-talk] apnic-t...@lists.apnic.net > > Date: July 30, 2021 at 12:18:06 AM EDT > > To: "apnic-talk" > > > > Dear community, > > > > AFRINIC is facing a crisis that would also swallow the other RIRs without > > proper action on our behalf. The legal action of multiple parties against > > AFRINIC has frozen their bank account, cutting off their financial > > support and impairing AFRINIC’s ability to perform as a fully functioning > > RIR. > > > > The other RIRs will also suffer especially with the Joint RIR Stability > > Fund of the NRO. With this, it might be that APNIC, ARIN, LACNIC, and > > RIPE-NCC and other non-members to be on top of the news and unite against > > NRO’s solidarity pact to avoid sharing AFRINIC’s possible future of > > liquidation and insolvency. It can’t be stressed enough that AFRINIC’s > > problems can easily become the problem of other RIRs without proper > > safeguards. > > > > There are other issues and questions that would be raised aside from the > > very real possibility that AFRINIC may incur a 50 million USD debt with > > the current legal proceedings. Would APNIC’s liability be limited to the > > current funds and will the APNIC members have to pay for AFRINIC's debt? > > Will they be assured that the RIR’s joint fund will stay the same and not > > increase when there is a need? Or is there any confirmation that > > membership fees stay the same, vis a vis the issue with AFRINIC’s > > financial status? > > > > These questions demand that we think about it carefully and ensure that we > > do not follow down AFRINIC’s path. Regardless of how we do it, it is > > encouraging that justice is served, and hopefully AFRINIC will open their > > eyes and resolve their legal issues with the parties involved. > > > > And more to it, we have just learned AFRINIC themselves have admitted in > > the press their inability to continue operation will impact end users > > worldwide(https://www.lexpress.mu/article/397324/grands-titres-lexpress-c > > e-jeudi-29-juillet-2021), so it is extremely important for the continuity > > of the service, NRO taking over AFRINIC's registry function to avoid any > > potential disruptions to the globe internet. litigation came with huge > > risk, not to mention multiple litigation AFRINIC is currently facing, and > > since AFRINIC have provide their own admission of their inability to > > continue to operate, it is critical to have other RIR taking over their > > core function of registry service to ensure continue service of the > > internet > So, in short, this is an attempt to sway APNIC members toward withdrawing > support for AfriNIC. Since the threat to AfriNIC originates from the APNIC > region, I feel that this would be irresponsible, and I pointed this out in > my reply on the APNIC list. > > Google translates 龙腾网络 as “Dragon Network” rather than “Sock Puppet” but, > you know, sometimes they get something wrong. > > -Bill ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] South Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments
Not only this situation allowed to us to know who is supporting AFRINIC but also bring forward those who would not hesitate to destroy the organization for commercial end. Regards, -- Ish Sookun On Friday, 30 July 2021 22:49:36 +04 Sami Salih wrote: > Thanks Noah this is really important, we need to know who is supporting our > organization in this hard time. > > Get Outlook for > Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > > > From: Noah > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 2:35:38 PM > To: AfriNIC Discuss ; General Discussions of > AFRINIC Subject: [Community-Discuss] South > Africa ISPA Statement on Recent AFRINIC developments > > Dear Members and the wider AFRICAN Community. > > I note that the ISP Association of South Africa has made a public statement > as well following TISPA'S public statement on recent AFRINIC developments. > > I thought it was important to share the same with the rest of you in case > you missed this important message since ISPA South Africa represents the > large voice of AFRINIC members in South Africa. > > So for those who are trying to show doubt that there is a loss of confidence > in AFRINIC, the statement from ISPA-ZA should show you all that the > industry representative body for ISPs in South Africa does not suffer from > a loss of faith in AFRINIC. > > You can read the important statement via the link below. > > https://ispa.org.za/press_releases/ispa-statement-on-recent-afrinic-developments > > Cheers, > Noah ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs
The bigger surprise is the that this statement is from someone who ran for the AFRINIC Board Director seat. Regards, -- Ish Sookun On Friday, 30 July 2021 21:44:09 +04 ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE wrote: > Dear Paul, > I am surprised by this. Why would you think it is in anyone's interest for > AFRINIC to close shop. I can't imagine that. AFRINIC has come to stay like > any of the other RIRs. Mistakes might have been made who knows ? but am > sure it's not the end of the world. Things can still be corrected and we > end up with a win-win. > > > AK > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 10:16 PM Paul Wollner < > > paul.woll...@africaoncloud.net> wrote: > > The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and > > especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet > > http://lexpress.mu, which is > > attached to this email, regarding the AFRINIC’s inability to keep > > providing its core registry functions due to its inability to meet its > > financial requirements. > > > > I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other business's > > hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core registry > > service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their responsibility as > > well as commitment to the global internet to take over AFRINIC’s > > registration service for the time being, until litigation is settled some > > time later. ( > > https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-fund > > ) > > > > That way, no end user or business will ever impacted however results come > > out of litigation. > > > > Regards > > Paul Wollner > > > > > > ___ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > Website <http://www.unilorin.edu.ng>, Weekly > Bulletin <http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/index.php/bulletin> UGPortal > <http://uilugportal.unilorin.edu.ng> PGPortal > <https://uilpgportal.unilorin.edu.ng> ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case
Hi Ronald, On Friday, 30 July 2021 13:04:37 +04 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Assuming that the answer to all three questions is "no" then your opinion > on this matter has no more weight or validity than mine. I didn't say my words are truer than yours. I expressed what I believe and I believe Jordi is right in his statement. At least so until a Mauritian court or legal precedent proves it wrong. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case
Hi Ronald, On Friday, 30 July 2021 12:51:14 +04 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > A police report was filed more than a year and a half ago about Ernest's > huge and fully proven embezzlement scheme, which amounted to tens of > millions of dollars worth of stuff. Has he been arested? Has he even > been charged with a single crime in Mauritius? I do not know specific details about the case. However, I believe he would have been charged « provisionally » and if he got bail, there would have been restrictions on travel, under the current practice by the police. Again, I do not know specific details about what plaint was lodged, what was written, etc. Regards, -- Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs
Hi Paul, On Friday, 30 July 2021 01:12:38 +04 Paul Wollner wrote: > I suggest that in order not hold end users, ISPs and any other business's > hostage, for the interest of continue service of AFRINIC’s core registry > service, we should urgently call for NRO fulfil their responsibility as > well as commitment to the global internet to take over AFRINIC’s > registration service for the time being, until litigation is settled some > time later. > (https://www.nro.net/accountability/rir-accountability/joint-rir-stability-> > fund/) « we should urgently call for NRO » Who is we? Regards, -- Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case
Hi Ronald, On Friday, 30 July 2021 03:47:51 +04 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > You're confused Jordi. Do you really think that just by sitting here > in California and using the AFRINIC WHOIS server, I have subjected > myself to the jurisdiction of Mauritius?? I believe by using a service offered by an organisation within the Mauritian jurisdiction makes it so that your data is treated under Mauritian laws. Jordi is right to say that the national law is on top of organisation rules. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Use of personal data from mailing list for election lobbying (Was: Update on legal case)
Hi Jordi, On Thursday, 29 July 2021 11:10:17 +04 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community- Discuss wrote: > But the question here is, in the EU, spam by SMS, phone, or *any means* (not > just email) is against GDPR and many other regulations. > > I'm unsure if the "transposition" of the GDPR in Mauritius is also following > the same rationale. Can someone confirm? My understanding of the Data Protection Act (2018) of Mauritius is similar to what you mentioned above. However, with regards to email related spam, I've put questions to CERT-MU on multiple occasions in the past, with no answer. I am looping in Dr. Usmani in this email. He has been a board election candidate in the past and he is the Assistant Manager of CERT-MU. He can probably enlighten more on this. Regards, -- Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case
Hi Ronald, On Thursday, 29 July 2021 02:37:50 +04 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > (And indeed, we here in the U.S. > are routinely inundated with such calls on a daily basis, starting > generally about two months before each local or national election.) Americans accept to be inundated with election lobbyists on phone on daily basis? And they do nothing to stop it? Regards, -- Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Upcoming Abuse Desk Training
Hi Daniel, > On 11 May 2021, at 23:23, Daniel Shaw wrote: > > I have read that using a short URL such as alturl.com is very typical > of malware campaigns, phishing, etc... Grateful if you can point me to the documentation on this. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] ICT Authority of Mauritius requests public comments on proposal to regulate Social Media
Hi Arthur, Thank you for the answer. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. On 22/04/2021 12:47, Arthur Carindal wrote: > By reading it, should I understand that you would like to know whether > AFRINIC's meeting with the ICTA would have contributed to the adoption > of this ICTA’s Consultation Paper on proposed amendments to the ICT Act > for regulating the use and addressing the abuse and misuse of Social > Media in Mauritius > <https://www.icta.mu/docs/2021/Social_Media_Public_Consultation.pdf>? > I wanted to know whether the regulation of Social Media content by the ICT Authority without the intervention of the Social Media companies was part of the initiatives discussed. > > > For your information, please note that on 22 February 2021, AFRINIC > met ICTA in line with the framework of AFRINIC’s engagement with > Internet ecosystem stakeholders, which include public organisations, > civil society groups and private sectors. The said meeting was about the > review of the adoption and deployment of IPv6 in Mauritius. Both parties > seized this opportunity to foster initiatives to accelerate the > effective deployment of this protocol on the government and operators > networks to allow Internet users in Mauritius to take full advantage of > the IPv6. > Thank you for providing this information. > > In the light of the above, AFRINIC has neither been consulted for nor > participated in the elaboration of this consultation paper. Once again, thank you for this information as well. > Furthermore, please note that as the African Internet Registry, AFRINIC > values its neutrality by refraining itself to interfere in the > formulation of any national policies to be adopted by a government or an > ICT regulator, which may be out of the scope of its mission. I recall this having been debated lengthily when the Anti-Shutdown (AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01) proposal [1] was published. > > However, AFRINIC strives to advocate for a secure and open Internet > (ref :https://afrinic.net/2017-04-05-keep-the-internet-open-to-all) > Would AFRINIC envisage to reiterate the above in a public statement? To be more precise, I am asking whether AFRINIC would consider publishing a public statement that AFRINIC advocates for a secure and open Internet for all? Regards, Ish Sookun [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2017/006503.html ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
[Community-Discuss] ICT Authority of Mauritius requests public comments on proposal to regulate Social Media
Hi Arthur, On 22 February 2021 you tweeted [1] about a fruitful meeting between AFRINIC and the ICT Authority of Mauritius on initiatives to leverage Internet development in Mauritius. I asked whether those initiatives would be made public and you replied that they will be when finalized. Are those initiatives finalized yet? The ICT Authority published a Consultation Paper [2] on proposed amendments to regulate Social Media in Mauritius. Section 11.2 of the paper provides details on the infrastructure that the regulator proposes to set up in order to do a Man-In-The-Middle styled decryption of all Facebook traffic in Mauritius. This does not give the impression of leveraging Internet development in Mauritius. On the contrary it sounds like restricting development. Regards, Ish Sookun [1] https://twitter.com/carindaln/status/1363872993743679492 [2] https://www.icta.mu/docs/2021/Social_Media_Public_Consultation.pdf ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions
Hi Ronald, On 24/12/2020 12:12, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > Where are you located Mr. Moonesamy? Are you in a place where only things > that are expressely allowed by law are permitted?? In Mauritius, the Data Protection Regulation is taken seriously. If you have a concern with the way your request if being entertained, where you believe you should be able to have access to personal data of individuals in possession of AFRINIC but the latter is refusing; then you may address your concern to the Data Protection Commissioner. Instead, I see you are arguing with a Board Director who is only telling you that AFRINIC has a regulatory constraint in giving you access to data it possesses. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions
Hi SM, On 23/12/2020 14:07, S. Moonesamy wrote: > There was a complaint related to a request for access to "Whois > data". [...] Are you referring to a complaint made on the members mailing list? Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
[Community-Discuss] Questions to Board candidates for Seat 3
Hello Mr Moonesamy & Mr Usmani, Congratulations on your nominations for the AFRINIC Board elections candidacy. As you both are running for Seat 3, i.e the Indian Ocean, I have a few questions for you that as a community member I would appreciate your views. What are your views on the involvement of young people from the Indian Ocean, particularly Mauritius, in the policy discussions related to the Internet? What are your views on the AFRINIC Fellowship programme? Do you think it could be improved, if yes, how? Have you ever had policy related conversations with AFRINIC Fellows? Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Data protection
Hi SM, On 7/12/19 10:40 PM, S. Moonesamy wrote: > There are cases for which it may be useful to provide a point of > contact. An alternative to address regulatory requirements could be to > provide the contact information of a role account. Yes, this alternative complies with the DPA. The role object does not provide information on a natural person but would satisfy the requirement of a point of contact. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Reform Nomcomm - was Announcement for Final Candidate Slate for Open Seat on AFRINIC Governance Committee
Hi Owen, On 6/16/19 5:58 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > Personally, I think that we should simply eliminate the geographic > restrictions on board seats and have a single AfriNIC board elected from > qualified candidates from within the region, regardless of where in the > region they come from. The Nomination Committee extended the call for nominations [1] to attract more nominations. I do not think that the geographic restriction is the reason for few volunteers to serve on the AfriNIC board. Regards, Ish Sookun [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2019-June/002974.html ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Gratitude
Hi Owen, On 6/12/19 3:27 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > I admit I am not an expert in law and have little understanding of Mauritian > law in particular, but it seems rather absurd to me that a document which > can be inspected at will or “made available upon request” would somehow > preclude further publication or dissemination of the data contained in the > document. It seems to me that most people are considering only names & addresses as being personal data in the document uploaded by AFRINIC. Court judgments are public records available from the court registry. Some court judgments are also available in PDF format from the Supreme Court of Mauritius website. The judgment documents available on the Supreme Court website do not contain any further annex or personal data of individuals. The consent given to one entity does not automatically transfer to another. The Registrar of Companies provides access to company records. Does the registrar give rights to re-publish those records? IMHO obtaining data and re-publishing data are not the same. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Gratitude
Hi Andrew, On 6/11/19 9:45 PM, Andrew Alston wrote: > I point you to the companies act of 2001, section 225 sub-section 2(d) > which states that ANY person upon serving written notice on the company > of his intention to inspect the records shall be given access to the > full names and residential addresses of directors. The companies act > makes this public data and strips any right to expectation of privacy > from a director – since they chose to be a director and should have read > the act. The affidavit has more personal information than just names & residential addresses. The Registrar of Companies of Mauritius requires the name and other personal data of persons who consent to be a company director. Registrar records are made accessible to public upon request. It does not automatically turn that information into public data; i.e giving another entity the right to re-publish without authorization. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Gratitude
Hi Mike, On 6/11/19 2:10 PM, Mike Silber wrote: > > No - but I can point you to the Companies Act as well as form S23-F10 > and Section 23 of the DPA > The information provided in the forms are collected & processed by the Registrar of Companies of Mauritius. The personal data that is subject to this discussion was published by AFRINIC Ltd. > I suggest you raise your concern with the Corporate and Business > Registration Department and not with AfriNIC, this community or myself. > Right. I will seek the advice of the Data Protection Office on this matter. > > This is illogical, as ALL addresses were redacted. Maybe the minutes are > inaccurate? > I quote from https://afrinic.net/ast/pdf/2019-minutes/20190305-minutes.pdf « SM recalled that the Board collectively agreed to take the AGMM matter to Court and there was no decision about disclosing the personal data to the community. It was just a matter of when to disclose the information and what to disclose. It is not because the document is public, that we can disclose to the public mailing list. » Am I reading the wrong or inaccurate minutes? Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Gratitude
Hi Mike, On 6/11/19 1:03 PM, Mike Silber wrote: > By agreeing to become a director of a company one expressly and implicitly > consents to the publication of personal information in the context of the > company. > The "context of the company" is a vague statement. The DPA is strict on the fact & stresses that information collected, processed & stored are for specific use & period, and the person has the right to object to use of that information. Could you point me to any documentation by AFRINIC Ltd that specifies that when becoming a director one "expressly and implicitly consents to the publication of personal information". > There is no suggestion that the consent related to the publication of the > person’s address (which was redacted in any event) but the use of his name. I understood that the person raised that no decision was taken with regards to the publication of personal data. The minutes do not refer to the use of the person's name. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Gratitude
Hi Owen, On 5/28/19 9:13 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > Indeed, the one and only legitimate item on the agenda was then deferred > to the next meeting followed by, perhaps, the most absurd question and > most ridiculous answer in the entire set of minutes: > > “The Chair asked the Board whether there is a need to seek SM’s > consent before the public release of the Court Rulings.” > > > Let me get this straight… The Chair felt compelled to ask the board > whether or not they needed the consent of a single board member (which I > see no particular reason to ask this particular board member and there > is no explanation in the minutes) prior to the public release of a > document which is ALREADY PUBLIC? How can the board possibly do anything > before the public release of a document which was, by definition, > publicly released at the time the board received it? I do not agree with your statement that this is an absurd question. In fact, I believe it is a legitimate requirement to have the person's consent before publishing any document that contains personal information about the person. AFRINIC Ltd being a registered company in Mauritius has to abide to the Data Protection Act [1] of Mauritius. In fact, on the same note, I notice that the privacy statement [2] of afrinic.net dates back to September 2015 and refers the Data Protection Act 2004 instead of the 2017's amended act. Regards, Ish Sookun [1] http://dataprotection.govmu.org/English/Publications/Documents/Act%20No.%2020%20-%20The%20Data%20Protection%20Act%202017.pdf [2] https://afrinic.net/privacy ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Complain to NoMCOM
On 6/8/19 8:07 PM, Ish Sookun wrote: > > I would add that specific dates for submission deadline, review period, > etc, and other conditions are clearly indicated ahead of the call for > nominations. [..] My bad. I just read that the roadmap was published at https://afrinic.net/committees/nomcom. Perhaps, having these updates on the list could have avoided the recent situation with PDWG nominees. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Complain to NoMCOM
Hello, On 6/6/19 10:47 AM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote: > Furthermore, for the future, I would like to suggest the following > 1. All information required to verify a candidates eligibility > should be published well in advance of the nominating period. > 2. Candidates should be required to submit all of that information > within 30 days after being nominated, prior to the nominating > committee’s consideration of their candidacy. > 3. Requests for additional information from the nominating > committee should occur only in exceptional circumstances. In such a > case, the request shall give each candidate at least 10 days to respond. > 4. All communications between the nominating committee and > candidates should use an official address reserved for the nominating > committee. These are totally fair suggestions. I would add that specific dates for submission deadline, review period, etc, and other conditions are clearly indicated ahead of the call for nominations. Besides nominees should be contacted by other means (if they provided) apart from email, if a piece of information needs to be verified urgently. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
Hi SM, On 5/1/19 8:18 AM, S. Moonesamy wrote: > In general, "Internet shutdowns" are about social network shutdowns. > That could fit under the topic of digital rights [1]. In my opinion, > digital rights are not directly related to what Afrinic Ltd does. I did > not understand the following: "take things beyond the mailing list". Is > it about Afrinic Ltd talking with government agencies about, for > example, digital rights? Blocking access to social networks only would be regarded as a partial internet shutdown. On the other hand a full internet shutdown would have socio-economic ramifications. Resource members will be affected. Yes, AFRINIC could facilitate talks between government agencies, local groups and other stakeholders about digital rights. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
Hi Dewole, On 4/30/19 11:25 PM, Dewole Ajao wrote: > I wouldn't say any website should be blocked. If the policy makers have > a concern (founded or unfounded), all we can do is try to educate them > and show them better ways to deal with their concerns. Now is the time > to start that engagement (if possible) - not after they have started > blocking stuff. I believe that fits the IGF. It would be ideal if a discussion could start here and reach people with decision-making mandates. At the moment, I do not see anything within AFRINIC that could take things beyond the mailing list, except the will of people. Benin is part of the West African Internet Governance Forum (WAIGF). There is no mention of the internet shutdown that happened in Benin at https://www.waigf.org/news. Shouldn't the regional IGFs write in support of internet users of Benin? Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
Hi Abdulkarim, On 4/30/19 10:48 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote: > Agreed but am not refereeing to ordinary users here. I was talking about > getting desperate news out in a shutdown situation. If there is a nationwide internet shutdown, how would someone use a company intranet to get information out of the country? Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
Hi Dewole, On 4/30/19 8:22 PM, Dewole Ajao wrote: > Realistically, the only effective thing we can (attempt to) do is seek > out the policy makers, educate them about how an uninterrupted Internet > is really important to us, listen to their concerns, and help them > formulate policies that address their concerns without shutting down the > Internet. > The ICT regulator in Mauritius has installed a National Internet Filtering System [1] to block internet content. It can be used to block Facebook. Should Facebook be blocked if that is a concern of policy makers? Regards, Ish Sookun [1] https://www.icta.mu/internet.html#int3 ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
Hi Abdulkarim, On 4/30/19 9:40 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote: > > Then my point about the "back door". > What I mean is that what we know about the internet today is a richly > interconnected network without a single killer switch. The government > can only speak to ISP's within their domain to shut down the internet > within a country but there are other ways of bypassing that because of > the interconnections. This can be bypassing local connections or even > via the intranet of companies and so on. There are ways around it but > not ideal. I mentioned that just so that we know that there is no single > killer switch in a govermnet shutdown situation. > Thank you for the clarification. However, I look at it in a simple way. If I am an ordinary internet user and my ISP cuts my internet access following a government order, then I do not see an alternative that will allow me to access websites. For example, if there is an internet shutdown in Mauritius I will not be able to access www.afrinic.net. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
Hi Serge, I recall from lengthy discussions when the idea of an "anti internet shutdown policy" was tossed here, it was argued that AFRINIC might not be the right platform to raise the issue but instead perhaps it could be raised through the Internet Governance Forum. That being said, what do you think AFRINIC could do to against internet shutdowns in Africa? Regards, Ish Sookun On 4/29/19 7:56 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote: > Hello > Yes you are really right, we need to talk about we need to find the way > to solve such case. > Specifically by bringing our silence > > Le lun. 29 avr. 2019 à 14:22, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE > mailto:oloyede...@unilorin.edu.ng>> a écrit : > > Hi, > It is really a shame. I think we need to speak out more about this > and tell them this is very wrong. > But the good thing about the current internet structure is there is > always a back door. We need to make sure we continue to fight to > make the system more decentralised and indipenden to prevent cases > like this. > Regards > > Abdulkarim Oloyede PhD. > > > > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, 14:06 Iyedi Goma, <mailto:iyedig...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Dear all > > Now Benin gov learn how to block the internet and the counter > measure (VPNs and Co) > Africa governments are always ready to learn bad habits as if > it's a curse. > what do you think about digital future of africa > > best regards > > Serge-parfait Goma > > > ___ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net <mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > Website <http://www.unilorin.edu.ng>, Weekly Bulletin > <http://www.unilorin.edu.ng/index.php/bulletin> UGPortal > <http://uilugportal.unilorin.edu.ng/> PGPortal > <https://uilpgportal.unilorin.edu.ng/> > > > ___ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa
Hi Abdulkarim, On 4/29/19 5:22 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote: > But the good thing about the current internet structure is there is > always a back door. We need to make sure we continue to fight to make > the system more decentralised and indipenden to prevent cases like this. I did not understand your comment about "current internet structure is there is always a back door". Could you please clarify what you mean? Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -
Hi Borg, On 12/11/18 7:01 PM, Chevalier du Borg wrote: > > I mean, **if** AFRINIC obliges it fellow to support a position that may > be benefit the company (afrinic) against the community. it is corruption. > Thank you for clarifying with the **if** ;-) Yes, from that point of view, it would not be ethical. Luckily, that isn't the case. I met former AFRINIC fellows at the last meeting and they are independent in their opinions, no strings attached. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -
Hi Alan, On 12/10/18 6:54 PM, Alan Barrett wrote: > > At one time, AFRINIC had an arrangement with OIF, where AFRINIC would assist > in arranging travel for OIF fellows, but that arrangement lapsed some years > ago. Are there any published details on the In-Kind Sponsorship [1] for AFRINIC events? Regards, Ish Sookun [1] https://afrinic.net/events/sponsorship#why ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -
Hi Andrew, On 12/10/18 5:59 PM, Andrew Alston wrote: > Personally I believe that people should declare their affiliations - > it’s just not required, and actually when I have on at least two > occasions state the organizations who I am making statements on behalf > of - I was told that individuals don’t represent organizations on the > floor of the pdp and it was immaterial and I should not do that. I asked a similar question during the open mic at AFRINIC-29, more specifically regarding people that say "speaking in my own capacity". The answer from an AFRINIC board member was that when it comes to policy it is about the community and there is no distinction between saying that you are speaking as an organization or personal capacity. At least that is what I could grasp. The answer can be listed as from 52:47 here: https://youtu.be/rDtyyJHvyAE?t=3167 Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -
Hi Willy, On 12/10/18 5:30 PM, Willy MANGA wrote: > The most important here is : if the organization has a fellowship > program or kind of, I suggested to publish it on their website with > details (announcements, requirements, results,...). > AFRINIC, ICANN fellowship program for instance have dedicated pages on > their respective websites. > I get your point now. It's clearer to me and it makes perfect sense. > A fellow is bound to some rules put in place by the organization during > a specific timeline. > Yes, indeed. > Outside fellowship program, it's another story. But I remind you that > when you participate in a debate during face-to-face meeting (either on > microphone or remotely), you must clearly state your name and your > affiliation. > Yes. In fact, that was one of the basic rules instructed by the AFRINIC fellowship team, to state the affiliation. I did miss a few times on the microphone between saying La Sentinelle (the company I work for) and stating that I am an AFRINIC fellow. > Even here on mailing-list it could be a good practice if you use an > email address according to your affiliation. Especially if you send > messages from your corporate email , it should mean you speak on behalf > of that particular organization. When it's not a corporate email, it > depends :) Agreed. During the meeting though I asked a question to the board members regarding speakers who stated "speaking in my personal capacity" before they took the mic. I wondered whether their respective organizations had a policy/rule on what they could say in such meetings. I also wondered whether such disclaimers are just informational or they hold a legal value. However, coming back to the topic of non-AFRINIC Fellowship that actually sponsors universities, the students could end up stating their affiliation to the university and not to the sponsoring organization; the same with the organization name on their attendee badge and other registration info. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -
Hi Willy, The agenda as advertised by a fellowship programme and what it actually does on-site might be contradictory. Any organization may write that they are offering a fellowship programme for the betterment of the Internet in the African region, while in fact, they have a more obscure and long term purpose. You can't be sure or ascertain that with what's written on a webpage. It would be only through observation of the fellows actions later that one could come to a conclusion. Regards, Ish Sookun On 12/10/18 12:17 PM, Willy MANGA wrote: > Hi, > > Le 10/12/2018 à 07:23, Chevalier du Borg a écrit : >> I have hear of >> >> - Larus Foundation Fellowship >> - OIF Fellowship > > From my humble point of view, if there is a fellowship-like program in > these organizations (and others) a better transparency will be to > clearly state on their website: > * what is the objectives of the program ? > * criteria to apply ? > * a public list of people selected at each meeting ... > > > ___ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -
Hi Borg, I speak as a former AFRINIC Fellow [1] and your comment regarding the AFRINIC Fellowship doesn't seem clear to me. Do you mean that AFRINIC Fellows take side of a specific company, which is against the community? I'd like to add that the Fellows are on-site during the meeting and anyone is free to meet and discuss policies with them. In fact, that's a good thing because Fellows are most often new to the community and they get to learn about the processes. AFRINIC does not ask Fellows to take a specific side or favor a certain company. AFRINIC staff help fellows understand the Policy Development Process and encourage them to participate in the PPM. Fellows are then free to voice out their opinion, comment or concern regarding policy proposals. Regards, Ish Sookun [1] I was recipient of the AFRINIC-29 Fellowship and attended the meeting in Hammamet, Tunisia. On 12/10/18 10:23 AM, Chevalier du Borg wrote: > I have hear of > > - Larus Foundation Fellowship > - OIF Fellowship > > all in addition to AFRINIC fellowship. I have hear people try to compare > the two and it a FALSE comparison. Here is why. > > > Policy can benefit or harm Larus (the AFRINIC member). Same is not true > of OIF > I will also be very concern if AFRINIC fellows always take a position > that favour or benefit the company against community. > > If 100% of Larus Foundation fellow oppose or support policy that will > benefit Larus the company, that is corruption. > > I think this community or board need to be clear about this. It is > beginning of very dangerous trend > > -- > Borg le Chevalier > ___ > "Common sense is what tells us the world is flat" > > ___ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC launches a New Website/AFRINIC lance un nouveau site web
Dear Felix, There seems to be a number of broken links on the new website. For example there was a library of articles/documents that existed under www.afrinic.net/en/library previously but now it throws a HTTP 404 error. Search engines results are also pointing to non-existent pages. There is a similar situation with the website search feature, since it relies on Google search, e.g most of the results from https://afrinic.net/component/itpgooglesearch/search#gsc.tab=0=library= throw a 404 status. Regards, Ish Sookun On 13/11/2018 15:07, Felix Otiato wrote: > [Version française ci-dessous] > > Dear Colleagues, > > This is to inform you that we have deployed a new AFRINIC > website _https://www.afrinic.net <https://www.afrinic.net/>_. The new > website has been in the works for the better part of this year. It comes > with a new look and feel and is available in English and French for > now with plans to add an Arabic section planned for 2019. Our goal with > this new website is to create a user-friendly browsing experience for > our members, the community and all our stakeholders. > > We have put in place the latest features that will make it enhance our > online reputation and make us more visible globally. The website has an > improved structure, navigation as well as consolidated pages to ensure > that information is easy to find. > > Going forward, we will continue to communicate regularly through our > blogs and provide new articles and notifications. We also plan to > continue adding more content to provide you with all of the information > you need to interact with and evaluate our work. We invite you > to connect with us on Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and YouTube and our > other social media channels to stay engaged in our continued growth and > collaboration. > > We expect that there will be a few issues and broken links, but we have > a plan to ensure all these are fixed within the shortest time possible > and not exceeding 3 months. Should you see any issues please feel free > to let us know and we’d be happy to fix it. > > .. > > > Chers collègues, > > Nous avons le plaisir de vous informer que nous avons déployé un nouveau > site web pour AFRINIC, _https://www.afrinic.net <https://www.afrinic.net/>_. > > La mise en place de ce site web a nécessité une année d'efforts. Parmi > les nouveautés, vous noterez une nouvelle interface, disponible en > anglais et en français pour le moment. Nous prévoyons de traduire le > site en arabe en 2019. Notre objectif avec ce nouveau site web est de > créer une expérience web conviviale pour nos membres, la communauté et > tous nos partenaires. Nous avons intégré les dernières fonctionnalités > permettant d'améliorer notre réputation en ligne et ainsi améliorer > notre visibilité à l'échelle mondiale. > > En plus d'une structure et d'une navigation améliorées, nous avons fait > en sorte que vous puissiez trouver facilement toutes les informations > que vous recherchez. Nous continuerons à communiquer régulièrement au > travers de nos blogs, avec de nouveaux articles et notifications. > > Nous prévoyons également de continuer à enrichir nos pages afin de vous > fournir toutes les informations dont vous avez besoin pour que vous > puissiez interagir avec nous et nous aider à mieux vous servir. > > Nous vous invitons à communiquer avec nous sur Facebook, LinkedIn, > Twitter et YouTube et sur les autres réseaux sociaux sur lesquels nous > sommes presents et à soutenir nos activités. Il se peut qu'il y ait > quelques problèmes et des liens qui ne fonctionnent pas, mais nous avons > un plan pour nous assurer que tous ces problèmes soient résolus dans un > délais de 3 mois. Si vous rencontrez des problèmes, n'hésitez pas à nous > en informer et nous nous ferons un devoir de les résoudre > > > Kind Regards, > > Felix Otiato, > Head of Communications & PR, > AFRINIC Ltd. > t: +230 403 5100 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w: www.afrinic.net > <http://www.afrinic.net> > facebook.com/afrinic <http://facebook.com/afrinic> | flickr.com/afrinic > <http://flickr.com/afrinic> | youtube.com/afrinicmedia > <http://youtube.com/afrinicmedia> > > > ___ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC and the GDPR
Hi Mike, On 11/04/18 18:19, Mike Silber wrote: > The Mauritius DPA is actually aligned with the old EU Data Privacy Directive > and not the GDPR. Unfortunately, no. The Data Protection Act of Mauritius was amended in December 2017 in the likes of GDPR; and it's already into force. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC and the GDPR
Hi Mike, On 11/04/18 17:54, Mike Silber wrote: > However I am still not certain that holding any of that information > actually makes AfriNIC a controller in terms of the GDPR. Article 4, paragraph 7 of the General Data Protection Regulations defines the data controller as follows: ‘controller’ means the natural or legal person, public authority, agency or other body which, alone or jointly with others, determines the purposes and means of the processing of personal data; [...] In my opinion, AfriNIC positions itself as a data controller by collecting and processing personal data for a purpose (or several purposes). Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Perturbation d'Internet au Tchad
Hello Tidjani, Est-ce que la censure des réseaux sociaux persiste toujours au chad? Cordialement, Ish Sookun On 11/04/18 17:39, TIDJANI Mahamat Adoum wrote: > Merci de trouver ci-dessous les liens vers les déclarations de l’ISOC > sur les perturbations des reseaux sociaux et internet au Tchad. Merci > d'en faire large diffusion. > > English: > https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/04/internet-shutdowns-cannot-solution-political-challenges-chad/ > <https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2018/04/internet-shutdowns-cannot-solution-political-challenges-chad/> > > French: > https://www.internetsociety.org/fr/blog/2018/04/les-coupures-dacces-internet-ne-sont-pas-une-solution-aux-defis-politiques-du-tchad/ > <https://www.internetsociety.org/fr/blog/2018/04/les-coupures-dacces-internet-ne-sont-pas-une-solution-aux-defis-politiques-du-tchad/> > > > Tidjani MAHAMAT ADOUM > Ingénieur Réseaux Télécoms > Cellule Fibre Optique (SOTEL-TCHAD) > Consultant en Gouvernance d'Internet > Coordinateur Afrique Centrale pour ACSIS > Ligne Direct: (00235) 66273348 ou 77306979 > Ligne secourt: (00235) 62306979 ou 92306979 > E-mail.P: tidjani > <mailto:tidjanic...@hotmail.fr>-m.ad...@acsis-scasi.org > <mailto:m.ad...@acsis-scasi.org> > > > > ___ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC and the GDPR
Hi Mike, On 11/04/18 17:34, Mike Silber wrote: > In addition, I am not sure I concur with Mr Alston’s insistence that > “holding data of EU citizens” automatically places AfriNIC into the > category of data controller in terms of GDPR or imposes any requirements > on AfriNIC, particularly as the GDPR applies to processing of personal > data in the context of the activities of an establishment of a > controller or a processor in the Union. Keeping GDPR aside for a while; AfriNIC is incorporated in Mauritius and abides by Mauritian laws. Thus, it should comply with the "data controller" definition of the Data Protection Act 2017 of Mauritius. Now, in the context of GDPR, if AfriNIC is providing a service, whether paid or free, to EU residents, and in doing so it is collecting, processing and/or storing personal information about EU residents; it has to comply with GDPR. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] ISOC InterCommunity 2017 in Mauritius
Hi Kevin, Thank you for the information. On 09/14/2017 11:58 AM, Kevin G. Chege wrote: > > Having said that, we’d also like to clarify that we do have one Chapter > in Mauritius that is chartered by the Internet Society. The Chapter went > through a rejuvenation process in 2011 to bring together a new > leadership team (this new team is led by Kris Seeburn, with a web > presence here: www.facebook.com/groups/isocmauritius/ > <http://www.facebook.com/groups/isocmauritius/>) > Yes. I read about the rejuvenation process of 2011. Nothing much happened since then and it appears there is much hesitation [1] to help fix the local issue. > We are aware of the fact that even after its rejuvenation, the Chapter > struggled to become active locally. This is why we are currently working > with the local Mauritius Chapter group to reactivate the Chapter. We > invite everyone interested in joining that effort and help strengthen > the local Internet community to reach out to <chapter-supp...@isoc.org > <mailto:chapter-supp...@isoc.org>>. We’d be happy to put you in touch > with the local group. My observation of groups in Mauritius is that people tend to be happy being founders, co-founders or other fancy titles. However, there is little advocacy on the group mission and other matters. I am keen to learn from ISOC and your experience in the region in order to address the local issue. Regards, Ish Sookun [1] http://lists.elandnews.com/archive/mauritius/internet-users/2015/03/0169.html ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] ISOC InterCommunity 2017 in Mauritius
Hi Alan, On 09/11/2017 09:28 AM, Alan Barrett wrote: > > The event is organised by some central part of ISOC, not by the ISOC > Mauritius chapter. I don’t know how ISOC coordinates such events with their > chapters, and I do not have any more information about ISOC Mauritius than > anybody could find via web search. > Thank you for providing the information. A few minutes ago I requested the same information through the AFRINIC website. I hope the InterCommunity 2017 event helps in clarifying the doubts regarding the ISOC Mauritius chapter(s). Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] ISOC InterCommunity 2017 in Mauritius
Hi SM, On 09/11/2017 01:16 AM, S Moonesamy wrote: > > I don't see any representatives of the two local ISOC chapters on the > link which you provided. You mean to say the panel consists of AFRINIC staff and non-ISOC members? Isn't it strange to have a panel without an ISOC Mauritius member for an ISOC event? > > I usually send my requests for information about day-to-day matters to > the relevant email address which is listed at > https://www.afrinic.net/en/about/contact-us It would be easier for me I sent a request for information through the link you provided. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] ISOC InterCommunity 2017 in Mauritius
Hi SM, On 09/10/2017 08:47 PM, S Moonesamy wrote: > > On 6 September, I receive an email from the Internet Society about an > "InterCommunity 2017 Event" in Mauritius. The email included an > afrinic.net email address to contact to confirm participation. Is that > the "PR part" you are referring to in the above? I would consider it as > logistics instead of PR. > I would not indulge in such semantics. Otherwise, one could also say Sofitel Hotel as venue is part of logistics. I find it difficult to believe that ISOC Mauritius (which currently exists in two versions) financed that venue while it did not sponsor/finance any other community event in recent times. > > I doubt that the question has been raised given that it is an Internet > Society matter. > The above does not answer my question. Could you provide me information about ISOC Mauritius that AFRINIC recognizes? To be precise; a local office/address, name of representative, members etc? Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
[Community-Discuss] ISOC InterCommunity 2017 in Mauritius
Hi SM, The Internet Society is celebrating its 25th anniversary and a special edition of InterCommunity 2017 on the 19th September 2017. In Mauritius, the InterCommunity 2017 event [1] is happening at Sofitel Hotel. I would like to know whether AFRINIC is a collaborator or organizer of this event as it seems that the PR part is being handled by AFRINIC. I did not receive any invitation for the event from ISOC Mauritius, nor did I ever received any notification about any ISOC Mauritius activity in the past few years. I struggled in the past to verify whether or not I am an ISOC member; the chapter showing no sign of transparency & accountability. I learned about the InterCommunity 2017 through AFRINIC. Is the InterCommunity 2017 event by AFRINIC or ISOC Mauritius? Could you provide some information about ISOC Mauritius that AFRINIC recognizes? Regards, Ish Sookun [1] https://www.internetsociety.org/intercommunity/2017/nodes/port-louis ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] DRC Mini internet shutting down
Hi Patrick, On 08/12/2017 05:40 PM, Patrick Lufundisu wrote: > > http://www.radiookapi.net/2017/08/08/actualite/societe/rdc-lacces-aux-reseaux-sociaux-restreint-sur-ordre-des-autorites > Thank you for the link. It's been four days. Are social networks still being censored by the Authority of the Post and Telecommunications of Congo (ARPTC)? Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] DRC Mini internet shutting down
Hi Kangamutima, On 08/09/2017 05:10 PM, Kangamutima zabika Christophe wrote: > Pour des raisons d'Etat, en République Démocratique Congo, l'autorité de > régulation a instruit les fournisseurs d'accès internet de limiter le trafic > internet en filtrant le contenu en images et vidéos, échangés à travers les > réseaux dits sociaux (facebook, whatsapp,etc.). Cette mesure ciblée (sur un > contenu précis) parait plus adéquate qu'un blackout total (coupure de tous > les services liées à internet), permettant ainsi aux corporates , aux > services en ligne (e-banking, mobile banking, etc.) de continuer à travailler. Do you have any sources for the above statement? Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency
Hi SM, On 06/26/2017 10:34 AM, sm+afri...@elandsys.com wrote: > > Afrinic is also a Regional Internet Registry (RIR). Is it useful for it > to have a presence at RIR-related conferences? If so, at what level > should the presence be? I understand that Andrew is asking about transparency and not the usefulness of the meetings beforehand. The community will be in a better position to understand the usefulness of board members presence in the meetings if there are reports about the accomplishments. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Theresa May says the internet must now be regulated following London Bridge terror attack
Hi Abdirashid, Badru, On 05/06/17 19:05, Abdirashid Ibrahim Abdirahman wrote: > [...] It seems that the world powers are now promoting actions against the internet freedem. On 06/06/17 06:37, Badru Ntege wrote: > Interesting times ahead. The more need for dialogue between industry and > government. I read http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/04/technology/social-media-terrorism-extremism-london/index.html. I quote from the Article what Theresa May said: "We cannot allow this ideology the safe space it needs to breed. Yet that is precisely what the internet and the big companies that provide internet-based services provide." Identifying and tackling hate speech on the internet is a complex issue specially if the content is located in multiple jurisdictions. May's comment is vague. Is "safe space" referring to content that is published online (blogs, pages on social networks etc) or private communications on the internet? Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes
Hi Jackson, On 02/06/17 17:41, Jackson Muthili wrote: > He represents the Indian Ocean Region constituency of AfriNIC. Yes, of course. :-) Cheers, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Election Outcomes
Hello, I read https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/2139-afrinic-elects-new-directors-nro-nc-member-governance-committee-member-and-pdwg-co-chair. Congratulation to winners. Thank you for representing Mauritius, S. Moonesamy. :-) Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE
Hi Walu, On 18/05/17 19:35, Walubengo J wrote: > a) The shutdown must serve legitimate aim > b) The shutdown is supported/established by (domestic or international) law How can Afrinic "measure" the legitimacy of an action? Afrinic cannot do the job of local courts I presume. In order to support a) and b) it is important to have the decision taken at the level of the local courts. Otherwise, shutting down the internet in a country (without a court order) becomes equivalent to arresting an individual without a warrant. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE
Hi Ali, On 15/05/17 12:05, Ali Hussein wrote: > Protests are an expression of freedom of association and speech. Shutting > down the Internet because people are protesting is unjustified. The very > Governments that are elected by the people should be responsible to the > people. I can see where in some extreme (really extreme) circumstances where > shut downs maybe be necessary. However, mechanisms MUST be put in place from > the onset to justify such. And this must be a Multi- Stakeholder Consensus > Building Mechanism where NATIONAL SECURITY is truly in jeopardy. I agree with you. In fact, that is why when I proposed a text change in the "internet shutdown" proposal a few days ago I stressed that a government should require a court order if a ban is required. Regards, Ish Sookun ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE
Hi Tutu, On 14/05/17 01:01, Tutu Ngcaba wrote: > > Do you know who appointed the supreme court in country... Its the president. > The Constitution of the Republic of South Africa [1] says: 174 (3) The President as head of the national executive, after consulting the Judicial Service Commission and the leaders of parties represented in the National Assembly, appoints the Chief Justice and the Deputy Chief Justice and, after consulting the Judicial Service Commission, appoints the President and Deputy President of the Supreme Court of Appeal. > So you think the judge will stop govermment when chaos is happening. > The Constitution also says: 165 (2) The courts are independent and subject only to the Constitution and the law, which they must apply impartially and without fear, favour or prejudice. (3) No person or organ of state may interfere with the functioning of the courts. > Tell me one example where govermment or president order shutdown when no > riot or chaos or protesting of the people. Tell me... > In 2007 access to Facebook [2] was disrupted in Mauritius because of a fake profile of the then prime minister of Mauritius. There were no riot, protest or chaos in Mauritius. In 2012 a state-run ISP [3] in Tajikistan blocked Facebook after comments were made on the president. There did not seem to be protests or riots in Tajikistan to have caused the ban. In 2010 a South Korean state agency blocked [4] the North Korean's state account on Twitter. No riots or protests caused that. > You only thinking ooh the government shut it or they blocked it > No. I am thinking the government blocking the internet has implications on freedom of speech and access to information. You mentioned riots and chaos. An internet ban during the times of « chaos » sounds similar to being shut in a dark room. > You are not thinking why they government they do it when it was all ok and > all citizen enjoyed it freely. > Governments could argue they are preventing the spread of misinformation. In trying to do so by blocking the internet they end up hurting the economy and prevent access to information (e.g on cases of abuse). Meanwhile misinformation could still be spread through other means. If propaganda can leverage on the internet, it can also leverage on other (non-electronic) communication mediums. Blocking the internet does not stop propaganda. > Why why why please tell me before you pretending to be in American where > the Trump say no refugee and that judge is saying yes refugee yet they > America will have the powerful software to spy of the people like the > swoden brother who wll go to prison but kept in the russia. Where is the > freedom. > Snowden stood against a privacy abuse. Thinking that we should not discuss & look for a remedy to internet shutdowns because the governments are too powerful, would be a wrong thing. One could argue that the RPD is not the place to discuss about actions "against governments". I believe though that the RPD can discuss internet shutdowns & look for remedy, where the remedy might not necessarily be a punitive measure against a government. Regards, Ish Sookun [1] http://www.justice.gov.za/legislation/constitution/SAConstitution-web-eng.pdf [2] https://www.lexpress.mu/article/maurice-censure-le-site-communautaire-%C2%ABfacebook%C2%BB [3] http://www.reuters.com/article/net-us-tajikistan-facebook-idUSBRE8AQ0JY20121127 [4] http://mashable.com/2010/08/19/north-korea-twitter-banned/#zoPCks5drqq9 ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] "Fighting Internet Shutdown" - Any Role for AFRINIC?
Hi SM, On 04/17/2017 10:04 AM, sm+afri...@elandsys.com wrote: > > I gather that you noticed the issue of which of the two local ISOCs is > the local chapter. One of them has links to a political party. > Yes. > > Promoting the development of the internet also entails discussing about > those two issues. In doing that, Afrinic may have to work against the > interests of one of its members to do what is in the interests of users. > There seems to be a similar situation when the subject of ISP monopoly is raised with government bodies. > The price of internet access is a significant concern in the region as > the high cost acts as a barrier to access. I pointed out to the > government that it makes local small businesses uncompetitive in > comparison with small businesses from another country; I'll mention that > it was an issue for one of my local customers. > Yes. > > Did the newspaper consider that it could happen and take measures > against that? > I disclose that I work for a press group in Mauritius. I am not speaking on behalf of the newspaper. My opinion is that every newspaper in Mauritius should seriously consider the possibility of the government blocking them. > > Please see http://www.elandsys.com/~sm/govmu-org-domain-name-issues2.html > There does not seem to be any willingness from the government's side to get back gov.mu, unless I am unaware of government efforts. > [..] I put in a significant amount of time and effort to > bring that down to one-third of the initial cost. The forum failed > because the government assumed that everyone on the "committee" would > rubber-stamp whatever it said. > Yes. > > According to the Act, the minister appoints its members. There isn't > any information about the members of that committee on the regulator's > web site. Are you worried because the committee will do the bidding of > the government? > Not only that. I worry that actions of the committee could be politically motivated. I draw my conclusions from what happened with the board of the ICT Authority. Regards, -- Ish Sookun I drink coffee and manage Linux servers for lexpress.mu. ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] "Fighting Internet Shutdown" - Any Role for AFRINIC?
Hi SM, On 04/16/2017 01:01 AM, sm+afri...@elandsys.com wrote: > > Yes. > I was referring to the tweet you sent to the alleged president of ISOC MU. > > That meeting was held because the local chapter was dormant. I don't > know what the local chapter has been doing since then. > Okay. >> In the previous email Alan Barett talked about the dual mandate of >> AFRINIC; one of which is « to promote the development of the Internet ». >> >> Is there any organization that promotes the development of the Internet >> in Mauritius? > > Afrinic has done some training Mauritius as part of the mandate. There > are issues related to the internet. Is your question about that? > Yes, there are several issues related to the internet like: - the price difference of broadband 1M vs 10M in different parts of the country - the exorbitant price of broadband for business (except that Mauritius Telecom has recently reviewed some of the packages) - what if the government shuts down access to a newspaper website? - the government is still helpless over gov.mu - the .mu multi-stakeholder forum failed - the ICT Act of Mauritius has an Internet Management Committee which is worrying - the ICT Authority is smeared in scandals Regards, -- Ish Sookun I drink coffee and manage Linux servers for lexpress.mu. ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] "Fighting Internet Shutdown" - Any Role for AFRINIC?
Hi SM, On 04/15/2017 06:38 PM, sm+afri...@elandsys.com wrote: > > I did not receive any reply from the president of the local ISOC chapter > when I asked about internet shutdowns. There hasn't been much interest > in the human rights issues during that debate. Three companies in the > region participated in the recent debate. There weren't any comments > from organizations with an interest in human rights. I'll conclude that > there aren't any organizations in the region which are interested in that. Are you referring to the tweet? On the ISOC member portal the Mauritius chapter is just a phone number, nothing more. There is no information about other members or a president. I see no ISOC activity in Mauritius. I read that you participated in a Mauritius chapter meeting in 2011. I do not know if there were meetings afterward. In the previous email Alan Barett talked about the dual mandate of AFRINIC; one of which is « to promote the development of the Internet ». Is there any organization that promotes the development of the Internet in Mauritius? Regards, -- Ish Sookun I drink coffee and manage Linux servers for lexpress.mu. ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet Shutdown session at AIS 2017
Hi Kris, On 04/13/2017 08:28 PM, Kris Seeburn wrote: > In mauritius we know it was again the minister via the PMO who requested > to take down Face Book. Without the press we ma have been at a stall mate. Thanks for clarifying your point. For the above though, as you said, it is thanks to the "press". Somehow that was my point, as the press acted as an influencer while the authority blindly executed the orders received from the PMO. It is this sort of difference that I am hinting at. Unfortunately we do not have groups that can really tackle a draconian measure of the government. The press does it but when it comes to matters relating to the internet, sadly, other group(s) should intervene. I do get your point to include gov officials so that they too understand the impact of such decisions/measures. Regards, -- Ish Sookun I drink coffee and manage Linux servers for lexpress.mu. ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
