date:20090626

 Of course, then the question becomes: What are the odds I would ever
 need this? 

And it's a good question, too. My own view is that I've never needed an XP mode 
with Vista, so why would I need it with Win7? For those still using XP, it's a 
different question, since they could
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

2009-06-26 Thread Roger D. Parish


At 6:49 AM -0400 6/26/09, Chris Dunford wrote:


  Of course, then the question becomes: What are the odds I would ever

 need this?


And it's a good question, too. My own view is that I've never needed 
an XP mode with Vista, so why would I need it with Win7? For those 
still using XP, it's a different question, since they could
conceivably be using critical apps that don't work with Vista 
(although that's pretty rare now) and not know it.


I think XP Mode is for enterprise customers, to get them to convert 
to Win7 sooner, rather than later.

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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

2009-06-26 Thread Mike Sloane

I guess my question, after reading all the various specifications and 
comparison charts, is: why should I upgrade from XP? It looks as if I 
would have to buy a new machine with more memory and faster processor 
speed, when the machines I have now work just fine with under 1 GHz and 
under 1 gig of memory. I don't play games or edit movies or watch TV - I 
just surf the 'net, do Email, create simple documents, and do limited 
processing and storage of digital images. I am all for progress, but I 
am not convinced that I need this next step (aside from the promise of 
lack of support for XP going forward). I still have Win98SE machines 
on my network that are happily running scanners and hosting networked 
printers; they will continue to perform those functions until they 
literally die (and when they do, I will merely pick up anther discarded 
clunker from freecycle.com and run it). I am not a Luddite or deny 
technological improvements, but I really wonder what it is that Win 7 is 
going to do for most users.


Mike

Chris Dunford wrote:

Of course, then the question becomes: What are the odds I would
ever need this?


And it's a good question, too. My own view is that I've never needed
an XP mode with Vista, so why would I need it with Win7? For those
still using XP, it's a different question, since they could 
conceivably be using critical apps that don't work with Vista

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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

 I think XP Mode is for enterprise customers, to get them to convert
 to Win7 sooner, rather than later.

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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

2009-06-26 Thread Tony B

In your case, I wouldn't. You'll just get it with new machines in due course.

Now, as to your Win98 machines - I'd upgrade those yesterday, even if
it means throwing them in the trash and buying new. By today's
standards, that was a really crappy OS. But let's not hijack this
thread with the old WinNT vs. Win9x debate.


On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Mike Sloanemikeslo...@verizon.net wrote:
 I guess my question, after reading all the various specifications and
 comparison charts, is: why should I upgrade from XP? It looks as if I would
 have to buy a new machine with more memory and faster processor speed, when
 the machines I have now work just fine with under 1 GHz and under 1 gig of
 memory. I don't play games or edit movies or watch TV - I just surf the
 'net, do Email, create simple documents, and do limited processing and
 storage of digital images. I am all for progress, but I am not convinced
 that I need this next step (aside from the promise of lack of support for
 XP going forward). I still have Win98SE machines on my network that are
 happily running scanners and hosting networked printers; they will continue
 to perform those functions until they literally die (and when they do, I
 will merely pick up anther discarded clunker from freecycle.com and run
 it). I am not a Luddite or deny technological improvements, but I really
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

 I guess my question, after reading all the various specifications and
 comparison charts, is: why should I upgrade from XP

Well, Win7 is a much better OS than XP; it's more secure, easier to work with, 
and certainly much more pleasant to stare at for those who spend a lot of time 
doing so. But in your case I might not
bother, given your limited use and hardware.


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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?


On Jun 25, 2009, at 10:22 PM, mike wrote:

I wonder if we could discuss which version I might want for
prosumer use at home?


Or what minimum version will do the job. With XP they tried to  
embarrass businesses into paying too much by attaching Home to the  
lower-cost version, even though Home was perfectly usable in a  
business setting. Are they doing that again or will there now be some  
missing gotcha in the Home edition?


Any speculation if they will be able to make these high prices stick  
in a slow economy? Compare to Adobe's offering an introductory price  
through May 31 on Creative Suite and then introducing a new offer on  
June 1 that was only $20 more and good through Aug 31.


Looking at these prices it looks to me like the best option may be to  
buy a full-featured Snow Leopard instead of a pay-by-the-feature Win7  
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

 Going to feign a difficulty with reading comprehension? Why am I not
 surprised?

I don't have to feign finding you incomprehensible.


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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

 I guess my question, after reading all the various specifications and
 comparison charts, is: why should I upgrade from XP? It looks as if I
 would have to buy a new machine with more memory and faster processor
 speed, when the machines I have now work just fine with under 1 GHz and
 under 1 gig of memory. I don't play games or edit movies or watch TV -
 I
 just surf the 'net, do Email, create simple documents, and do limited
 processing and storage of digital images. I am all for progress, but
 I
 am not convinced that I need this next step (aside from the promise of
 lack of support for XP going forward). I still have Win98SE machines
 on my network that are happily running scanners and hosting networked
 printers; they will continue to perform those functions until they
 literally die (and when they do, I will merely pick up anther discarded
 clunker from freecycle.com and run it). I am not a Luddite or deny
 technological improvements, but I really wonder what it is that Win 7
 is
 going to do for most users.

I'll echo what others have said:  it doesn't sound like you need it.

But yeah, what Tony said: ditch the 98 machines.


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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

This can be said for any OS.   I was using OS 9 far into the OS X cycle for
much the same reasons...it worked.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Mike Sloane mikeslo...@verizon.net wrote:

 I guess my question, after reading all the various specifications and
 comparison charts, is: why should I upgrade from XP? It looks as if I would
 have to buy a new machine with more memory and faster processor speed, when
 the machines I have now work just fine with under 1 GHz and under 1 gig of
 memory. I don't play games or edit movies or watch TV - I just surf the
 'net, do Email, create simple documents, and do limited processing and
 storage of digital images. I am all for progress, but I am not convinced
 that I need this next step (aside from the promise of lack of support for
 XP going forward). I still have Win98SE machines on my network that are
 happily running scanners and hosting networked printers; they will continue
 to perform those functions until they literally die (and when they do, I
 will merely pick up anther discarded clunker from freecycle.com and run
 it). I am not a Luddite or deny technological improvements, but I really
 wonder what it is that Win 7 is going to do for most users.

 Mike


 Chris Dunford wrote:

 Of course, then the question becomes: What are the odds I would
 ever need this?


 And it's a good question, too. My own view is that I've never needed
 an XP mode with Vista, so why would I need it with Win7? For those
 still using XP, it's a different question, since they could conceivably be
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

2009-06-26 Thread db


ut I really wonder what it is that Win 7 is going to do for most users.

Transfer $ to MS.

db

Mike Sloane wrote:
I guess my question, after reading all the various specifications and 
comparison charts, is: why should I upgrade from XP? It looks as if I 
would have to buy a new machine with more memory and faster processor 
speed, when the machines I have now work just fine with under 1 GHz 
and under 1 gig of memory. I don't play games or edit movies or watch 
TV - I just surf the 'net, do Email, create simple documents, and do 
limited processing and storage of digital images. I am all for 
progress, but I am not convinced that I need this next step (aside 
from the promise of lack of support for XP going forward). I still 
have Win98SE machines on my network that are happily running scanners 
and hosting networked printers; they will continue to perform those 
functions until they literally die (and when they do, I will merely 
pick up anther discarded clunker from freecycle.com and run it). I 
am not a Luddite or deny technological improvements, but I really 
wonder what it is that Win 7 is going to do for most users.


Mike

Chris Dunford wrote:

Of course, then the question becomes: What are the odds I would
ever need this?


And it's a good question, too. My own view is that I've never needed
an XP mode with Vista, so why would I need it with Win7? For those
still using XP, it's a different question, since they could 
conceivably be using critical apps that don't work with Vista

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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

2009-06-26 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.

Tom:
There is a BIG difference between network connectivity (i.e., server
connections) between Home and Business.



Eschew Obfuscation

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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

On Jun 25, 2009, at 10:22 PM, mike wrote:
 I wonder if we could discuss which version I might want for
 prosumer use at home?

Or what minimum version will do the job. With XP they tried to  
embarrass businesses into paying too much by attaching Home to the  
lower-cost version, even though Home was perfectly usable in a  
business setting. Are they doing that again or will there now be some  
missing gotcha in the Home edition?

Any speculation if they will be able to make these high prices stick  
in a slow economy? Compare to Adobe's offering an introductory price  
through May 31 on Creative Suite and then introducing a new offer on  
June 1 that was only $20 more and good through Aug 31.

Looking at these prices it looks to me like the best option may be to  
buy a full-featured Snow Leopard instead of a pay-by-the-feature Win7  
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

The exact same thing going from any OS to it's upgrade.  Either you need or
want the new features that are being touted or you do not.

If you want to know what it does compared to XP or Vista, read some reviews,
you may find you want it, you may find you don't.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:27 AM, db db...@att.net wrote:

 ut I really wonder what it is that Win 7 is going to do for most users.

 Transfer $ to MS.

 db


 Mike Sloane wrote:

 I guess my question, after reading all the various specifications and
 comparison charts, is: why should I upgrade from XP? It looks as if I would
 have to buy a new machine with more memory and faster processor speed, when
 the machines I have now work just fine with under 1 GHz and under 1 gig of
 memory. I don't play games or edit movies or watch TV - I just surf the
 'net, do Email, create simple documents, and do limited processing and
 storage of digital images. I am all for progress, but I am not convinced
 that I need this next step (aside from the promise of lack of support for
 XP going forward). I still have Win98SE machines on my network that are
 happily running scanners and hosting networked printers; they will continue
 to perform those functions until they literally die (and when they do, I
 will merely pick up anther discarded clunker from freecycle.com and run
 it). I am not a Luddite or deny technological improvements, but I really
 wonder what it is that Win 7 is going to do for most users.

 Mike

 Chris Dunford wrote:

 Of course, then the question becomes: What are the odds I would
 ever need this?


 And it's a good question, too. My own view is that I've never needed
 an XP mode with Vista, so why would I need it with Win7? For those
 still using XP, it's a different question, since they could conceivably
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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

2009-06-26 Thread Rich Schinnell

FYI:

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and after upgrading my Vista Ultimate (used for
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my old version of winzip. Otherwise it seems
much faster. I installed a 80Gig Intel SSD in the
laptop and that made it pretty damned fast..

YMMV
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[CGUYS] Has Apple Crossed the Line?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/167436/ 
does_apple_owe_banned_hottest_girls_an_apology.html


Adults don't need some corporation telling them what is appropriate  
and what is not any more than they need their government to do it for  
them.


The cons/neocons look to be taking a strong pro-porn position.


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Re: [CGUYS] Has Apple Crossed the Line?

2009-06-26 Thread Matthew Taylor

Interesting - usually it is libertarians who take a strong freedom of  
expression position.  The Liberals and Conservatives just argue about  
which expression to ban.


Now this libertarian thinks consensual expression is fine, and thinks  
Apple is well within its rights to choose not to facilitate its sale  
in all cases.


Matthew

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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

Anybody know where the details on these networking differences can be  
found? M$ made similar claims for XP, but the difference had no  
practical significance. I don't care that the Remote Desktop Server  
feature is disabled. Will Win7 be able to access various types of  
servers and SANS?



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[CGUYS] error message challenge

2009-06-26 Thread Andy Gallant

I just had a problem - a program stopped working - and an error message 
appeared.  It inspired me to propose this challenge, an invitation, 
really, to share error messages without necessarily getting into any 
possibly related issues, opinions, debates, or even solutions.  I'll 
start.  Here's the main element of the error message, cleansed of any 
identifying information:


A problem caused the program to stop working correctly.

Except for proposing the above challenge, and noting that I already knew 
the program had stopped working, I'm at a loss for words.  Have a great 
day, folks!


-Andy


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Re: [CGUYS] Has Apple Crossed the Line?

I know I'll regret asking...how do you link your made up political bogeymen
to this?

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 9:37 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 http://www.pcworld.com/article/167436/
 does_apple_owe_banned_hottest_girls_an_apology.html

 Adults don't need some corporation telling them what is appropriate and
 what is not any more than they need their government to do it for them.

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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?


Those M$ haters at PC World are at it again...

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/167434/ 
microsoft_to_vista_owners_youll_pay_for_our_mistake.html


If Microsoft really charges $120-and-up for Windows 7, the company  
will send a very clear message: Don't upgrade. That, or Microsoft is  
betting that Vista victims will pay almost any price to get the ill- 
fated OS off their machines. Which is it?


Pricing Windows 7 upgrades high enough that current Vista users  
won't bother insures that most users will see the new OS on a new  
computer. If Microsoft can better manage its OEM partners this time,  
so that Windows 7 only sells on new hardware powerful enough to make  
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Re: [CGUYS] Has Apple Crossed the Line?


On Jun 26, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:
Now this libertarian thinks consensual expression is fine, and  
thinks Apple is well within its rights to choose not to facilitate  
its sale in all cases.


The interesting thing here is that this app downloads ever-changing  
content from a server. At the time Apple approved the app it was  
downloading bathing suit pics and only recently started downloading  
birthday suit pics.


Will Apple disable the iPhone's telephone function if somebody starts  
to talk dirty? What's the Libertarian position on that?


P.S. I think the cons/neocons are siding against Apple because they  
hate Apple even more. (Though recent events prove that even cons/ 
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Re: [CGUYS] Has Apple Crossed the Line?

 I know I'll regret asking...how do you link your made up political
 bogeymen
 to this?

I was wondering the same after reading the linked article, since it doesn't
even touch on ideology at all.  But, it has a simple explanation:

Tom is green.  Anyone putting forth an idea that doesn't fit within his
epistemological template is purple. (Babylon 5 fans will understand this
analogy.)


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 (Though recent events prove that even cons/
 neocons may not be as righteous as they claim to be.)

You thought they were?  ::larf::


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Re: [CGUYS] Has Apple Crossed the Line?


On Jun 26, 2009, at 12:56 PM, mike wrote:
I know I'll regret asking...how do you link your made up political  
bogeymen

to this?


The way it works Mike is that you are supposed to click on the link  
and read the cited web page.


I know, I know, reading is such a chore. So much easier to just type  
something nonsensical.


Are you still claiming that all your links is broke?


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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

While it's easy to agree that MS prices are high for vista users, most
windows users don't upgrade till a new machine anyhow.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:21 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 Those M$ haters at PC World are at it again...

 http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/167434/
 microsoft_to_vista_owners_youll_pay_for_our_mistake.html

 If Microsoft really charges $120-and-up for Windows 7, the company will
 send a very clear message: Don't upgrade. That, or Microsoft is betting that
 Vista victims will pay almost any price to get the ill-fated OS off their
 machines. Which is it?

 Pricing Windows 7 upgrades high enough that current Vista users won't
 bother insures that most users will see the new OS on a new computer. If
 Microsoft can better manage its OEM partners this time, so that Windows 7
 only sells on new hardware powerful enough to make it look good, then the
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Re: [CGUYS] error message challenge

 A problem caused the program to stop working correctly.

We know this to be impossible.  Please stop what you are doing wrong and
immediately consult your local Genius(t).


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Re: [CGUYS] Has Apple Crossed the Line?

 Will Apple disable the iPhone's telephone function if somebody starts
 to talk dirty? What's the Libertarian position on that?

Apple is a private business.  They can allow, or prohibit, anything they so
choose on their products.  You're free to take your money elsewhere of you
don't like it.

If you *really* need to have pr0n on your mobile phone, I'm sure other
companies or carriers will accommodate you.  Which, is fine by me, as long
as you exercise that functionality very far away.


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Re: [CGUYS] Has Apple Crossed the Line?

Who is?

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:15 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:





 P.S. I think the cons/neocons are siding against Apple because they hate
 Apple even more. (Though recent events prove that even cons/neocons may not
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Re: [CGUYS] Has Apple Crossed the Line?

2009-06-26 Thread Mike

Awesome...i just got done ripping all my babylon 5 dvds to my system  
behind my entainment center.  Now i can sit with my ipod touch and  
play my favorite episodes.  :)


Sent from my iPod

On Jun 26, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote:


I know I'll regret asking...how do you link your made up political
bogeymen
to this?


I was wondering the same after reading the linked article, since it  
doesn't

even touch on ideology at all.  But, it has a simple explanation:

Tom is green.  Anyone putting forth an idea that doesn't fit within  
his
epistemological template is purple. (Babylon 5 fans will understand  
this

analogy.)


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Re: [CGUYS] error message challenge

2009-06-26 Thread Tony B

I can't remember these things, but I just got one of the regular ones
yesterday. Something like The network is not working. Please contact
your network administrator. Of course, I *am* the network admin at
home, so the error isn't only useless, it's somewhat insulting.


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Re: [CGUYS] Has Apple Crossed the Line?

Yah..did that, twice.  I kept reading thinking you usually don't make things
up from whole cloth, you twist the story around to fit your view.  I still
see nothing in the article containing cons, neocons..libertarians, liberals,
leftists, microsfticons, greens, reds, watermelons...perhaps you can send
the full text and highlight in crayon where any or all of these terms are
contained.

Might also want to pay better attention, I've seen you call Mark, Mike, or
vice versa...or attributing things said by one user to another..

Also, I didn't start the thread about broken links, nor did I even
contribute.  I know reading these emails is such a chore, so much easier to
just make someone say something they didn't and then respond to it I
suppose.



On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:29 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:

 On Jun 26, 2009, at 12:56 PM, mike wrote:

 I know I'll regret asking...how do you link your made up political
 bogeymen
 to this?


 The way it works Mike is that you are supposed to click on the link and
 read the cited web page.

 I know, I know, reading is such a chore. So much easier to just type
 something nonsensical.

 Are you still claiming that all your links is broke?



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Re: [CGUYS] error message challenge

  It inspired me to propose this challenge, an invitation,
 really, to share error messages without necessarily getting into any
 possibly related issues, opinions, debates, or even solutions.

I sent this one to my coworkers not long ago. I've since seen the same message 
several times. From Adobe Acrobat:

  Bad parameter.

Period. That's it. There weren't no more information than that.

People collect these. I've seen a couple of sites with them, although I didn't 
come up with any of them in a quick search (wasn't sure exactly what search 
terms to use).
I do remember this rather famous one:

  Windows has found an unknown device and is installing a driver for it.

As well as the ancient classic:

  Keyboard not found. Press F1 to continue.


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Re: [CGUYS] error message challenge

2009-06-26 Thread Jennifer Hiebert


It inspired me to propose this challenge, an invitation,
really, to share error messages without necessarily getting into any
possibly related issues, opinions, debates, or even solutions.


I sent this one to my coworkers not long ago. I've since seen the  
same message several times. From Adobe Acrobat:


 Bad parameter.

Period. That's it. There weren't no more information than that.

People collect these. I've seen a couple of sites with them,  
although I didn't come up with any of them in a quick search (wasn't  
sure exactly what search terms to use).

I do remember this rather famous one:

 Windows has found an unknown device and is installing a driver for  
it.


As well as the ancient classic:

 Keyboard not found. Press F1 to continue.



I have an artist friend unusually prone to ghost-in-the-machine  
experiences. Long, long ago, on an early Mac, she managed to produce a  
dialog box that read, You may as well stop typing. No one is  
listening any more. She took a photo of it--and, no; I promise she is  
incapable of photo editing; I used to have a copy.


Jennifer Hiebert



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Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Stampede?

2009-06-26 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt

Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
 Tom:
 There is a BIG difference between network connectivity
 (i.e., server connections) between Home and Business.

Absolutely, but more than a few businesses don't require
server connections, etc.

-- 
Take care  | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't
Wayne D.   | supply this, at least not directly
Recursive, adj. - see Recursive.


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Re: [CGUYS] Has Apple Crossed the Line?

2009-06-26 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt

Jeff Wright
 I know I'll regret asking...how do you link your
 made up political bogeymen to this?

 I was wondering the same after reading the linked
 article, since it doesn't even touch on ideology at
 all.  But, it has a simple explanation:

 Tom is green.  Anyone putting forth an idea that
 doesn't fit within his epistemological template is
 purple. (Babylon 5 fans will understand this analogy.)

Yeah, but who is going to grab the scarf from around your
(or Tom's) neck??

Yes, this relates to the story where the Drazi purple
and green fought - it's amusing in places...

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Take care  | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't
Wayne D.   | supply this, at least not directly
I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.


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Re: [CGUYS] Has Apple Crossed the Line?

 Yeah, but who is going to grab the scarf from around your
 (or Tom's) neck??
 
 Yes, this relates to the story where the Drazi purple
 and green fought - it's amusing in places...

Hey...whoa!  I'm more of a Marcus or Garibaldi type.  That task falls to
you, Mr. Ivanova.

Actually, I picture Tom as more Centari than Drazi.  It's the hair, really.


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