Re: [CGUYS] Road runner cable access with a third party router
Art Clemons Does any of that make sense? I understand that the local cable office does have a WAP version as well as a non-WAP version of the modem. One other approach when the cable company or other broadband ISP doesn't want to open up its firewall setup is to have a DMZ IP address which is assigned to your router. Set up the router to do its normal IP filtering, NAT and SPI functions, and you're just as safe as if you had the router connected to a dumb modem. This assumes of course that you use WPA2 with AES and a relatively long password/pre-shared-key. Security isn't high on the list of concerns, cows out number people at least 5 to 1, the town does have a stop light and it works. I wasn't really concerned with being safe as much as not breaking the Internet for our hosts. The mom there is talking about getting a laptop/netbook eventually. Most ISPs will detail how to setup a DMZ IP address or range for folks like gamers. Just remember to use the router and not your computer as the interface. I haven't talked to the ISP, I might do that eventually. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly If this were an actual tagline, it would be funny. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Should drivers who are operating private vehicles with computerized gadgets affixed to windshields be subject to ticketing? Such devices, mounted to windshields, or that in any way prevent an unobstructed view, are illegal in every state. Still, almost all makers of such devices provide instructions about how to mount these devices to your windshield, and provide the hardware to do so. The U.S. Dept. of Transportation has recently listed such devices, GPS units and satellite radio receivers, as being contributory to crashes along with cell phone use while driving. Since almost all placement of such devices on windshields is illegal, should citations be issued or should we just go ahead and make it legal for any kind of device to be affixed to windshields at the whim of the driver? Also, what of the growing trend for dash mounted computers and fixtures that allow for a driver to be able to conveniently use their laptops while they are driving? Should such use be legal or illegal? On a tangential note, car makers have struggled with this issue for some time now from a safety standpoint, and for the most part, they have taken the approach that they will go ahead and make such amenities available on their models, leaving it up to the purchaser to make the decision about when and where to use them. The industry says that they have to provide these optional devices even though they are aware of the high potential of a negative impact upon safety because of they do not, other makers will, resulting in a loss new car sales. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Road runner cable access with a third party router
Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: Art Clemons Does any of that make sense? I understand that the local cable office does have a WAP version as well as a non-WAP version of the modem. One other approach when the cable company or other broadband ISP doesn't want to open up its firewall setup is to have a DMZ IP address which is assigned to your router. Set up the router to do its normal IP filtering, NAT and SPI functions, and you're just as safe as if you had the router connected to a dumb modem. This assumes of course that you use WPA2 with AES and a relatively long password/pre-shared-key. Security isn't high on the list of concerns, cows out number people at least 5 to 1, the town does have a stop light and it works. I wasn't really concerned with being safe as much as not breaking the Internet for our hosts. The mom there is talking about getting a laptop/netbook eventually. Most ISPs will detail how to setup a DMZ IP address or range for folks like gamers. Just remember to use the router and not your computer as the interface. I haven't talked to the ISP, I might do that eventually. My experience has been that you can buy a modem to use instead of the often questionable ones from the cable company. Several cable workmen have seemed happy to see that I wasn't using the junk from the cable company. If you do switch modems someone will likely be in for a long conversation on the phone with the cable company. At Comcast at least, they apparently make this change difficult somehow. Different cable companies might do things differently but they should be able to use their own quality modem and router. Someone will have to call the company first. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Data recovery software for a Mac disk?
On Aug 4, 2009, at 11:58 PM, db wrote: Can anyone recommend similar products for Mac hard drives? That depends on what the problem is. Apple's Disk Utility is very effective. If that fails I usually use Disk Warrior. If specific file types are mangled there are file- specific programs, like the ones from Marksware. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
Great essay! I'd be in favor of ticketing drivers who mount GPS units and other such devices on their windshields, and I hope it soon becomes similarly illegal to mount laptop support brackets inside cars--a truly terrifying prospect. Though I don't know how a highway patrol officer would catch someone for computing while driving. When the computing driver is finally pulled over and the police officer walks up to the offending driver's car, all Mr. Distracted Driving has to do is to shut the lid of his laptop and deny that he's done anything wrong. Scary. (And are there even laws against computing while driving? This sounds like one of those obvious things you shouldn't need to be told NOT to do. But then I didn't think anyone would be dumb enough to send text messages while driving, either.) Anybody who lives in this area has probably had at least one close call with a car or other vehicle driven by a distracted driver, especially if you're a pedestrian trying to cross K Street, Rockville Pike, or any other road where Type A drivers cruise by with cellphones pasted to their ears. You can be as careful as you like as a pedestrian or a driver, but your survival, when you encounter a texting, cellphone-talking, or computer-using driver, may still depend largely on luck. Yet there's a lot of resistance to passing laws against texting while driving. Under the circumstances, Im not overly optimistic about enforcement actions against other kinds of electronic distractions. --Constance Warner On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:34 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Should drivers who are operating private vehicles with computerized gadgets affixed to windshields be subject to ticketing? Such devices, mounted to windshields, or that in any way prevent an unobstructed view, are illegal in every state. Still, almost all makers of such devices provide instructions about how to mount these devices to your windshield, and provide the hardware to do so. The U.S. Dept. of Transportation has recently listed such devices, GPS units and satellite radio receivers, as being contributory to crashes along with cell phone use while driving. Since almost all placement of such devices on windshields is illegal, should citations be issued or should we just go ahead and make it legal for any kind of device to be affixed to windshields at the whim of the driver? Also, what of the growing trend for dash mounted computers and fixtures that allow for a driver to be able to conveniently use their laptops while they are driving? Should such use be legal or illegal? On a tangential note, car makers have struggled with this issue for some time now from a safety standpoint, and for the most part, they have taken the approach that they will go ahead and make such amenities available on their models, leaving it up to the purchaser to make the decision about when and where to use them. The industry says that they have to provide these optional devices even though they are aware of the high potential of a negative impact upon safety because of they do not, other makers will, resulting in a loss new car sales. Steve ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gubmint computer grab
FDR??? Herbert Hoover is closer to the mark for that one. But methinks, hiding in shrubbery, is a President who might be named that is more contemporary. OK, maybe choosing FDR is a satirical poke at someone's belief. Matthew Taylor wrote: FDR On Aug 2, 2009, at 5:36 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, who was this last President who totaled our economy? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
It seems to me that any gadgets that are not directly involved with _driving_ should not be allowed to be used by drivers. How much simpler can it get? Program your GPS before you leave! Haul anything you want in the back seat. Allow back seat passengers to do whatever they want. But keep them out of the front seat. CERTAINLY keep them from being installed. JMHO, Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Constance Warnercawar...@his.com wrote: Great essay! I'd be in favor of ticketing drivers who mount GPS units and other such devices on their windshields, and I hope it soon becomes similarly illegal to mount laptop support brackets inside cars--a truly terrifying prospect. California just went through a big flap about devices attached to windshields and the state caved in to the lobbyists from industry and to advocacy groups that represented drivers who liiked to have such devices on their windshields. There are a few magazines on newsstands that cater to laptop users, and they are full of ads for all sorts of attachments that are intended to allow for operating your laptop as you are driving along. Car makers are increasingly providing in-dash Windows computers as an option. These come from the factory with an interlock that render them unusable while the car is in gear, but apparently that lock can be undone by a mechanic. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
Kinda like all those Windows users who tell me that they would love to switch to Macs but for the fact that they have too much money already invested in Windows apps. Sunk costs is a reasonable ...er... reason for not investing in a new platform. Unlike Uncle Moneybags Piwowar, some of us have budgets and limited resources. We have to live within our means. We can run Windows on our Macs. We can run Windows programs without Windows. We can run Mac OS X on our Macs. We can run Linux on our Macs. Buy one, get two/three free. Macs have longer useful life than PCs. Buy one, get three/four free. Living within our means includes planning ahead and getting the most useful and long-lived computer. A PC that costs $700 is more expensive than a Mac that costs $1200 due to installed hardware/software, versatility and longevity of the Macs. Plan ahead. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
How do you run windows programs without window on a mac? That asked, I have the opposite experience with pc's, they continue to run with no issues. Cheap hardware is cheap hardware, just because you can buy a cheap pc doesn't mean you should. Sent from my iPod On Aug 5, 2009, at 4:23 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Kinda like all those Windows users who tell me that they would love to switch to Macs but for the fact that they have too much money already invested in Windows apps. Sunk costs is a reasonable ...er... reason for not investing in a new platform. Unlike Uncle Moneybags Piwowar, some of us have budgets and limited resources. We have to live within our means. We can run Windows on our Macs. We can run Windows programs without Windows. We can run Mac OS X on our Macs. We can run Linux on our Macs. Buy one, get two/three free. Macs have longer useful life than PCs. Buy one, get three/four free. Living within our means includes planning ahead and getting the most useful and long-lived computer. A PC that costs $700 is more expensive than a Mac that costs $1200 due to installed hardware/ software, versatility and longevity of the Macs. Plan ahead. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finally an FCC that earns its keep
Jeff It's your job to provide IT/network support. Those of us with small businesses can't afford IT staff or outside services. The computers are tools that we use in our businesses and must work seamlessly with as little tech support as possible. That's why we use Macs, even when we're forced to use Windows. That's the REAL world of small business. Even when I worked for a Swiss multinational corporation, many of their European employees, scientists and managers brought their own Macs to the US, while the locals were stuck with Windows by an IT department full of MS engineers. That's also the REAL world of Euro management who'd rather get the work done, instead of fiddling with IT. Betty I don't see any of that. My staff changes their own toner and the other stuff does not happen. Of course you don't. We work in completely different environments with completely different types of staffs. Mine's in the real world, BTW. So you have proved my point. And you so often prove mine, Herr Doctor. Keep 'em coming. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
We can run Windows on our Macs. We can run Windows programs without Windows. We can run Mac OS X on our Macs. We can run Linux on our Macs. Buy one, get two/three free. Macs have longer useful life than PCs. Buy one, get three/four free. If I buy or build a PC, I only have to buy one OS license, not 2. I can run Linux on my PC as well (Ubuntu via Wubi) and I have no need for OS X, not that Apple allows it to be virtualized to begin with. Living within our means includes planning ahead and getting the most useful and long-lived computer. A PC that costs $700 is more expensive than a Mac that costs $1200 due to installed hardware/software, versatility and longevity of the Macs. A PC. There is no such thing. You Mac people need to get your heads around the monolith. There are dozens of brands and probably hundreds of models all of varying degrees of price and quality. Your statement has no validity in that regard. You might as well substitute Chevys and Fords. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A Computer Question ... Horrors!
Safari sucks. Use Firefox or SeaMonkey. I've have MacBookPro Ver 1.1 about 3½ years old. A friend just got a current gen 17 MPB. I still use a Vista machine that has a hardware printer. On my bank's website, a print request generates a *.aspx file for open with application or save file as dialog when using Firefox on both MBPs. On my Vista box (using Firefox or Chrome) and when either MBP uses Safari, the bank site brings up the preferred print/save as PDF dialog. Can anyone suggest how to modify FF's behavior on the MBP's to access the same dialog? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] big decisions
On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:21 PM, mike wrote: Ok, this coming October I was pretty much set on the iPhone..the apps, full HTML browsing etc was worth going to AT$T. At least from what I know. Which phone company has the best reception where you live and travel? That should determine your choice. I don't like any of those phones, including iPhone, but for $99 why not an HTC--T-Mobile has been using them successfully for a few years. Maybe you can haggle to get the price down like I did at T-Mo. If I had a choice, I'd get a Nokia with WiFi, but I doubt Verizon has them. WiFi is nice. Touchscreen is nice, but not a deal-breaker. Besides, I already have an iPod Touch. Does ATT cover better in AZ [aren't you in AZ?] than in SoCal? Coverage is most important, unless you plan to carry two phones. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Data recovery software for a Mac disk?
Alsoft DiskWarrior, http://alsoft.com/. You'll need it very rarely, but when you do, this works well. I use PC Inspector Smart Recovery products for recovering data from media and hard drives on PC's. Can anyone recommend similar products for Mac hard drives? (In case of corruption of the drive directory or accidentally deleted files on an external USB drive attached to a Tiger MacBook) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ford! Chevy! Lather, rinse, repeat [Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
It's your job to provide IT/network support. Yeah? So what? Tom's point was that he would have to hire additional staff to handle PCs. Your experience notwithstanding, my experience proves him decidedly wrong. It's your job to provide IT/network support. Those of us with small businesses can't afford IT staff or outside services. The computers are tools that we use in our businesses and must work seamlessly with as little tech support as possible. That's why we use Macs, even when we're forced to use Windows. That's the REAL world of small business. We ARE a small business. We also have the needs of a larger enterprise. And we do it with 2 guys. In 3 locations. Me and a DBA. We run the entire thing on Dell hardware, Windows, Office and MS server products. With 99.99% uptime and near-zero hardware issues. Dell hardware, which will run practically forever, costs me a fraction of what comparable Apple hardware would cost us, with a warranty that gets me a tech with a part on-site for any rare hardware problem, not a schlep to the genius at the mall (in Delaware, right?). We get charity pricing from MS, which costs us about 10% of retail, often less. Is that REAL enough for you? Even when I worked for a Swiss multinational corporation, many of their European employees, scientists and managers brought their own Macs to the US, while the locals were stuck with Windows by an IT department full of MS engineers. I would bet that if you gave 10 people the exact same recipe for a cake, you would 10 different cakes of varying taste, texture and appearance. Some would likely be inedible. Not everyone is cut out to be a baker or a pastry chef. The same goes for IT. GIGO rules. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A Computer Question ... Horrors!
On Aug 5, 2009, at 7:57 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Safari sucks. Use Firefox or SeaMonkey. Some people get really bent out of shape about Safari, but Safari is innovating while others are not. While others boast of W3C compatibility, Safari is not only the first to achieve that, it also pushes W3C to get off their asses and add features that make the Web a better place. http://www.apple.com/safari/what-is.html Opera is interesting too for similar reasons. It is also great for downloading files that give others problems. It is nice to have choices and enjoy them. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
On Aug 5, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Mike wrote: How do you run windows programs without window on a mac? WINE * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
This thread reminds me of the story I got from a Volvo salesman. I had had several over the years and was looking for a new one in the late 1980's. Volvo was one of the last makes to not have coffee cup holders. The excuse I got from the salesman was that their Swedish engineers were adamant that it was too dangerous to simultaneously drive and drink hot coffee, hence no cup holders. Sue Cubic wrote: It seems to me that any gadgets that are not directly involved with _driving_ should not be allowed to be used by drivers. How much simpler can it get? Program your GPS before you leave! Haul anything you want in the back seat. Allow back seat passengers to do whatever they want. But keep them out of the front seat. CERTAINLY keep them from being installed. JMHO, Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
On Aug 5, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Mike wrote: That asked, I have the opposite experience with pc's, they continue to run with no issues. A lot of it depends on how you define the word run. The MO of Windows IT is typically to run a highly centralized operation. That is how they define efficiency. Every time a PC is started software, patches, settings, policies, etc. download and the user has to go get a cup of coffee or maybe two. They use the Policy Editor to play god. IT rarely touches actual user computers and hasn't a clue about the daily problems users face. For example, I have seen departments where only one computer was able to print and people had to line up there. Since IT was never around they didn't have a clue that there were problems. IT thinks everything runs. Even working with Macs, it is not uncommon for me to go on site to deal with a single, small problem and then spend the whole day fixing problems that IT never knew about. People track me down or when I go back to where I left my bag I will find a bunch of notes waiting for me. Sometimes IT gets annoyed. They ask: Why don't they talk to us? I've asked users the same question. They tell me: You get things fixed. IT doesn't. They don't know what we do. IT is out of touch. So IT thinks everything is running fine, but that is because they are out of touch. Users hate their guts. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars
On Aug 5, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Steve at Verizon wrote: This thread reminds me of the story I got from a Volvo salesman. I had had several over the years and was looking for a new one in the late 1980's. Volvo was one of the last makes to not have coffee cup holders. The excuse I got from the salesman was that their Swedish engineers were adamant that it was too dangerous to simultaneously drive and drink hot coffee, hence no cup holders. Yep. It is definitely a hateful restriction of personal freedom. We should all have the right to kill as many other drivers as we want to. The only thing that would make it better would be getting our Constitutional rights to do so while armed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
The MO of Windows IT is typically to run a highly centralized operation. That is how they define efficiency. Every time a PC is started software, patches, settings, policies, etc. download and the user has to go get a cup of coffee or maybe two. They use the Policy Editor to play god. IT rarely touches actual user computers and hasn't a clue about the daily problems users face. For example, I have seen departments where only one computer was able to print and people had to line up there. Since IT was never around they didn't have a clue that there were problems. IT thinks everything runs. O Tom! Tell us another one! Tell us about the time where Goldilocks, carrying her $300 netbook, poisons the bears' porridge and the other one where the Gepetto chops up his wooden puppet for firewood on a cold Winter's night in Redmond. Your stories are always the best! A, you're only going to tell the one about the brave and handsome consultant who slays the evil dragon again, aren't you? That's all you ever tell us anymore. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
Since IT was never around they didn't have a clue that there were problems. IT thinks everything runs. My users can get a hold of me 8 different ways: -Send an email to the help desk which automatically opens a ticket in the system and sends an email to everyone in IT. -Send me an email directly. My Blackberry gets it instantly. -Call my published cell number. -Call my desk phone. -Call the help desk line. -Walk into my office. -Grab my DBA at the coffee machine and tell him. -Catch me as I walk around the offices. (The 9th way is to tell me when we go get sushi at Matuba in Arlington, but that's only a group of about 8-10 regulars from 4 different depts.) They make use of every method. Everyone on staff knows me and I know everyone. Recently, when I was at one of our remote sites, a user sent a help desk email a few minutes before COB, which pinged me on my Blackberry within seconds. She didn't even make it to the bathroom before she saw me responding to her inquiry. My system monitoring app sends me an email whenever it detects a that server/service isn't responding or a pre-set status, like low disk space, is triggered. What you described is what we in the field would call a poorly run business. IT is taking its cues from the top, as the company circles the drain. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: What you described is what we in the field would call a poorly run business. IT is taking its cues from the top, as the company circles the drain. So, if the systems that you are charged with maintaining are up a cumulative 99.9% of the time, as you described in a previous message on this subject, when do you ever do any real work? What amount of time in a week does that missing 1/10 of one percent represent? How long does it take, on average, to rectify such a situation? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BOGO [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:23 PM, b_s-wilkb1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Living within our means includes planning ahead and getting the most useful and long-lived computer. A PC that costs $700 is more expensive than a Mac that costs $1200 due to installed hardware/software, versatility and longevity of the Macs. It is quite rare to see a Mac user give up that platform in favor of Windows when we are talking about personal use of a computer. It is much more likely that a Windows user will move to Macintosh. The only folks who might tend to disagree with this are also likely to be birthers. They tend to disagree with anything that is different from what they have gotten used to. Yes, those Windows users can use their software investment on newer Macintosh machines, so that old line is out the window (oops, no pun intended.) So we are either strictly down to initial financial outlay, or as I have said before, comfort levels. Macs just don't look like computers are supposed to look. They look weird. They mostly look like they are made of metal. Aren't computers supposed to be made of plastic? Aren't desktop computers supposed to have boxy towers in a putty gray? What tha...?? Comfort levels. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A Computer Question ... Horrors!
On Aug 5, 2009, at 7:57 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Safari sucks. Use Firefox or SeaMonkey. Some people get really bent out of shape about Safari, but Safari is innovating while others are not. While others boast of W3C compatibility, Safari is not only the first to achieve that, it also pushes W3C to get off their asses and add features that make the Web a better place. Safari tries so hard to be W3C compatible that it doesn't take into account that most web sites, big and small, are not. I'm getting tired of XML not working right. It's annoying. Safari should be written to take into consideration all of the billions of exceptions, instead of the few W3C compatible sites. Not enough pref choices either. Opera is better. Wish iCab would get finished. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
