Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
Well this has become more about stopping the spread of misinformation. Some on the list might want to know that ESATA is much faster then FW800 because they could be looking to build something that it would matter. Others, perhaps most don't care because they don't have either one. These aren't superfast rates, these are the standard rates of this tech, none of it is bleeding edge, just what is currently out there. I use ESATA on my external drive specifically because I wanted to wait the least amount of time when moving large files to the drive, like ripped dvds. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:44 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:21 PM, mike wrote: > > > Soon to come perhaps may be FW3200 which is faster then current ESATA > > speeds, although we have yet to see any mac with this spec. Also if we > are > > going to include soon to be or perhaps not so soon to be released specs, > we > > would have to include USB 3 which toasts both ESATA and FW3200. > > For the most part, is any of this quibbling about all these super > fast speeds really all that meaningful to us? > > Is this primarily esoteric nitpicking? > > As in writing to CDs and DVDs, is there a potential downside when > attempting to write data to hard drives at super fast rates? > > Steve > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:21 PM, mike wrote: > Soon to come perhaps may be FW3200 which is faster then current ESATA > speeds, although we have yet to see any mac with this spec. Also if we are > going to include soon to be or perhaps not so soon to be released specs, we > would have to include USB 3 which toasts both ESATA and FW3200. For the most part, is any of this quibbling about all these super fast speeds really all that meaningful to us? Is this primarily esoteric nitpicking? As in writing to CDs and DVDs, is there a potential downside when attempting to write data to hard drives at super fast rates? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
Hi my friends I hav a blogg: http://www.drmarciovasconcellospinheiro.com (in Brazilian Portuguese). I have bought this domain through Goggle, for the period of one year ending in Feb 7, 2010. How do I make sure to renew the domain for another year? I can´t find my way going Google. Where do I go so that they don´t take me off? Many thanks Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
Ok, one more try. You do realize the 800 in FW800 actually *means* something right? Here is a very nice, clean diagram from Wikipedia...but I'm sure you'll say they are just following some party line... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#SATA_in_comparison_to_other_buses Soon to come perhaps may be FW3200 which is faster then current ESATA speeds, although we have yet to see any mac with this spec. Also if we are going to include soon to be or perhaps not so soon to be released specs, we would have to include USB 3 which toasts both ESATA and FW3200. That said, this conversation was clearly about FW800 and ESATA, the current available techs on the market. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:00 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 16, 2009, at 8:59 PM, mike wrote: > >> Well we've learned over time Tom's reality is different from others. >> > > I know Stewart knows how to read and interpret specs, but would rather > follow the party line than correct Mike. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
No was making a pun. I stated earlier. eSATA is great for Hard Drives etc. Firewire is still best for video. However many of the consumer CamCorders are using SDHC cards so they just pop in and transfer over. Stewart At 09:00 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 8:59 PM, mike wrote: Well we've learned over time Tom's reality is different from others. I know Stewart knows how to read and interpret specs, but would rather follow the party line than correct Mike. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
On Nov 16, 2009, at 8:59 PM, mike wrote: Well we've learned over time Tom's reality is different from others. I know Stewart knows how to read and interpret specs, but would rather follow the party line than correct Mike. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
My tower computer is 15 or so mac minis. On Nov 16, 2009 7:35 PM, "John Duncan Yoyo" wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:59 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:00 PM, mike wrote: > >> So now no one can build a square without it being a ... More like a stack of two or three minis. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscript... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:59 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:00 PM, mike wrote: > >> So now no one can build a square without it being a mac? >> > > Looks like a painted Mac Mini. More like a stack of two or three minis. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
Well we've learned over time Tom's reality is different from others. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Or you need specs tor ead. > > Stewart > > > > At 07:24 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote: > >> On Nov 16, 2009, at 7:04 PM, mike wrote: >> >>> 800Mbps is often faster than 3.0Gbps...oh wait >>> >> >> You don't know how to read specs. >> > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:01 PM, tjpa wrote: > Mac folk who are not slackers? Are there some? All Hail Bob!!! www.subgenius.com Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
Or you need specs tor ead. Stewart At 07:24 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 7:04 PM, mike wrote: 800Mbps is often faster than 3.0Gbps...oh wait You don't know how to read specs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
On Nov 16, 2009, at 7:04 PM, mike wrote: 800Mbps is often faster than 3.0Gbps...oh wait You don't know how to read specs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:53 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: It's good to know this is something called "persistence" and will go away with time, as compared to permanent burn-in. I've already seen some of the cloudy "persistence" disappear, however the lines that look like horizontal scratches are back. Are you sure the monitor is running at its native resolution? Have you tried different scan frequencies? LCDs like 60 Hz. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:58 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: What would these utility programs be? I can't find one using Google. All I find are apps for keeping file info unchanged. How To Fix Image Persistence On LCD Displays http://www.syeager.org/misc/image_presistence.php * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
I usually have my systems set to blank the screen after a little while. No Screen savers. I also make it a point to turn off monitors (LCD/CRT) Stewart At 06:31 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote: The Wikipedia article on LCD Persistence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_persistence) actually has a good explanation, FWIW. Perhaps the reason I haven't seen this on any of our monitors yet is because I have them all set to power down in 2-3 hours. I do not use screensavers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
The Wikipedia article on LCD Persistence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_persistence) actually has a good explanation, FWIW. Perhaps the reason I haven't seen this on any of our monitors yet is because I have them all set to power down in 2-3 hours. I do not use screensavers. >The cause of this tendency is unclear. It might be due to accumulation of >ionic impurities inside the LCD,[1] electric charge building up near the >electrodes,[2] parasitic capacitance,[3] or "a DC voltage component that >occurs unavoidably in some display pixels owing to anisotropy in the >dielectric constant of the liquid crystal".[4] Usually the image persistence is temporary, but can become permanent. As a result, all major LCD display manufacturers exclude image persistence from their warranties. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
One of the reasons they are making PC's like this is that the board manufacturers have finally gotten rid of the mentality of oblong. I have seen some interesting designs for PC's in the last little while as they no longer need to follow the standard design. Expect more stuff like this in the future. Stewart At 06:10 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote: Indeed, it's square so it's a mac mini...and so is the Wii...and some of those low end dvd players, they are squares. All of em look like mac minis. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
Well FW is the best because it exists on many HD cams, so obviously you need that if you are transferring data from an HD cam. But to say this translates to FW being faster is incorrect. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: > For mass storage eSATA seems to be the better technology. > > For Video transfer from an outside source Firewire was the best. > > But as I said earlier for consumers that is no longer the case. > > Stewart > > > At 05:57 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote: > >> Oh look, eSATA is not faster than FireWire... >> >> Transfer Rate - Review Tom's Hardware : Seagate 500 GB External Hard >> Drive Goes eSATA >> >> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seagate-500-gb-external-hard-drive-esata,1307-5.html >> > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
Indeed, it's square so it's a mac mini...and so is the Wii...and some of those low end dvd players, they are squares. All of em look like mac minis. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:59 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:00 PM, mike wrote: > >> So now no one can build a square without it being a mac? >> > > Looks like a painted Mac Mini. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
800Mbps is often faster than 3.0Gbps...oh wait On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:57 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:42 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: > >> eSATA isn't used in peripherals other than storage. USB is a vastly >> inferior technology for video. How can you effectively edit HD video in real >> time without FireWire? Where are you going to put yet another power strip >> for eSATA. FW has its own power. >> > > Oh look, eSATA is not faster than FireWire... > > Transfer Rate - Review Tom's Hardware : Seagate 500 GB External Hard Drive > Goes eSATA > > http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seagate-500-gb-external-hard-drive-esata,1307-5.html > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
For mass storage eSATA seems to be the better technology. For Video transfer from an outside source Firewire was the best. But as I said earlier for consumers that is no longer the case. Stewart At 05:57 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote: Oh look, eSATA is not faster than FireWire... Transfer Rate - Review Tom's Hardware : Seagate 500 GB External Hard Drive Goes eSATA http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seagate-500-gb-external-hard-drive-esata,1307-5.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
I think I might have found a reason, and hopefully a fix for my problem. When I first got this new 24" iMac the display was set to it's brightest, I'm assuming by default. The computer sits on my desk at the same place the last ones have always sat. But the 24" screen set at it's full brightness is just to much in your face bright. So when I first got this I turned the brightness all the way down. For some reason a few weeks back I had turned it all the way up again. And that's when my problems started. So now that I've dimmed this thing down again I'll give it a few days or a week and see if this persistence goes away. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:37 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Tony B wrote: I too understood that LCD monitors can't have burn-in. But exactly what is this 'persistence'? Clearly it's not burn-in, since that's a permanent condition of the phosphors and cannot be fixed short of replacing the crt. I'd like to hear some sort of an explanation of this phenomenon, and perhaps see an example. Does it also happen with LED LCDs? Take a look at this discussion of LCD persistence. http://compreviews.about.com/od/monitors/a/LCDBurnIn.htm -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:18 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, but those UNIX systems that you are mentioning were or are mostly involved in business/professional operations, were they not? Mac folk who are not slackers? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
On Nov 16, 2009, at 6:00 PM, mike wrote: So now no one can build a square without it being a mac? Looks like a painted Mac Mini. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
What would these utility programs be? I can't find one using Google. All I find are apps for keeping file info unchanged. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Nov 16, 2009, at 8:41 AM, tjpa wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: Ok, I have a b**ch here. Has anyone else had a problem with burn in on their 24" intel iMacs? No, but I have read it can happen. Unlike CRT burn-in, it is a temporary situation. There are utility programs that can chase it away sooner. What store did you take your Mac to that was so unhelpful? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:42 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: eSATA isn't used in peripherals other than storage. USB is a vastly inferior technology for video. How can you effectively edit HD video in real time without FireWire? Where are you going to put yet another power strip for eSATA. FW has its own power. Oh look, eSATA is not faster than FireWire... Transfer Rate - Review Tom's Hardware : Seagate 500 GB External Hard Drive Goes eSATA http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/seagate-500-gb-external-hard-drive-esata,1307-5.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
It's good to know this is something called "persistence" and will go away with time, as compared to permanent burn-in. I've already seen some of the cloudy "persistence" disappear, however the lines that look like horizontal scratches are back. This is probably due to the fact that I run Safari 99% of the time I'm on the computer. To be fair, I can't just blame Safari. Anything with these strait lines is causing the "persistence" problem. The Mail app is also causing some of it. I find it odd however that this just started happening within the last couple of weeks. For a good 5 months, using the computer the same as I do now, I never had this problem. It was an all of a sudden type deal that it started showing up. As to your observation, yes I'm one of those who keep their computer on 24/7. A couple of reasons for this, mostly selfish. I like watching the screen saver when I'm not actually working on the computer. They are mostly pictures I took and I like seeing them. On a side note, I also discovered how cool and cheap it is to have Vista Print make calendars out of my pictures. But you can only have so many calendars around. I'm also running out of space for large prints on my walls. So the computer screen saver is great. The other reason for keeping it on 24/7 is I hate the amount of time it takes for the thing to start. Like I said, a purely selfish reason. And yes I do keep on a couple of my TVs 24/7 as well. A couple of reasons for that as well. I like the background noise. Silence annoys the hell out of me. The other reason, and this may be a weak justification, it's cheaper keeping the TVs on then it is for a monthly contract with a security company. A TV playing makes most people think someone is here. I don't own a car anymore so that saves money on the idle $s. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:09 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:00 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Apple support recommends this method-quick version replace your screen saver image with an all white one. Personally, I recommend a totally blank, black screen, commonly referred to as "screen blanking." Any other form of screen saving is not really "saving" anything. It may work to avoid so-called "persistence," but will continue to age the screen prematurely. Nothing wrong with letting the computer and hard drives go to sleep either, in my humble opinion. They need some rest too, just like you. I realize that there are plenty of folks who, for whatever reason, want to keep their personal computers fully running on all cylinders at all times, never turning anything off or allowing any components go to "sleep" ever. Do these folks leave their cars idling overnight? TV always turned on 24 hours a day? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:39 AM, tjpa wrote: > In the non-Windows world 24/7 is normal. UNIX-based systems are not intended > to be turned off. This caused some grief in the early days of OS X if Macs > were turned off when clean-up scripts ran in the middle of the night. Recent > versions of the OS will run these utilities at startup if they were not run > overnight. Yeah, but those UNIX systems that you are mentioning were or are mostly involved in business/professional operations, were they not? I was speaking from the consumer level. I can tell you that I run a non-Windows environment and 24/7 is not normal for me at all. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
Won't see a mac mini either. On Nov 16, 2009 4:11 PM, "Rev. Stewart Marshall" < revsamarsh...@earthlink.net> wrote: Many consumer Camcorders are no longer using tape but SDHC cards for storage. This negates firewire in that you take the card out and directly transfer the file created over to the system. Others are using mini-DVD's to save video files. For high end Firewire will still be the preferred but you will not see the zino used by pros. Stewart At 04:42 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote: Sure looks like the Mac Mini. There are other form factors the... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Tony B wrote: > I dunno, he kind of dances around the question of what actually causes > persistence: > >What this does is cause the LCD crystals to have a memory for their > location in order to generate the colors of that graphic. > > I'm not even sure that's valid English. I _am_ sure it makes no sense > to me. What is a "location memory"? > > I think of the colored LCD pixels as working like little shutters. They are either open or closed. Sometimes they get stuck in either open or closed. The white screen forces them all to be open. The location is the state of open verses closed. Just a guess based on my very limited understanding. They should have used state in place of location. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
Many consumer Camcorders are no longer using tape but SDHC cards for storage. This negates firewire in that you take the card out and directly transfer the file created over to the system. Others are using mini-DVD's to save video files. For high end Firewire will still be the preferred but you will not see the zino used by pros. Stewart At 04:42 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote: Sure looks like the Mac Mini. There are other form factors they could have used, but making it look like a Mini clone in black sure looks like they directly targeted the Mini. Or it could be simply flattering Apple for yet another good design. eSATA isn't used in peripherals other than storage. USB is a vastly inferior technology for video. How can you effectively edit HD video in real time without FireWire? Where are you going to put yet another power strip for eSATA. FW has its own power. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
So now no one can build a square without it being a mac? Who said anything about editing video, you are missing the point of the zino entirely because you want to compare it to a mac mini. On Nov 16, 2009 3:56 PM, "b_s-wilk" wrote: > I said this myself, this zino thing isn't aimed at the mac mini, different > tools for different j... Sure looks like the Mac Mini. There are other form factors they could have used, but making it look like a Mini clone in black sure looks like they directly targeted the Mini. Or it could be simply flattering Apple for yet another good design. eSATA isn't used in peripherals other than storage. USB is a vastly inferior technology for video. How can you effectively edit HD video in real time without FireWire? Where are you going to put yet another power strip for eSATA. FW has its own power. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
I dunno, he kind of dances around the question of what actually causes persistence: >What this does is cause the LCD crystals to have a memory for their location >in order to generate the colors of that graphic. I'm not even sure that's valid English. I _am_ sure it makes no sense to me. What is a "location memory"? >> I too understood that LCD monitors can't have burn-in. But exactly >> what is this 'persistence'? Clearly it's not burn-in, since that's a >> permanent condition of the phosphors and cannot be fixed short of >> replacing the crt. >> >> I'd like to hear some sort of an explanation of this phenomenon, and >> perhaps see an example. Does it also happen with LED LCDs? >> >> Take a look at this discussion of LCD persistence. > > http://compreviews.about.com/od/monitors/a/LCDBurnIn.htm * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
I said this myself, this zino thing isn't aimed at the mac mini, different tools for different jobs. The zino doesn't need FW since it has the much faster ESATA. Sure looks like the Mac Mini. There are other form factors they could have used, but making it look like a Mini clone in black sure looks like they directly targeted the Mini. Or it could be simply flattering Apple for yet another good design. eSATA isn't used in peripherals other than storage. USB is a vastly inferior technology for video. How can you effectively edit HD video in real time without FireWire? Where are you going to put yet another power strip for eSATA. FW has its own power. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Tony B wrote: > I too understood that LCD monitors can't have burn-in. But exactly > what is this 'persistence'? Clearly it's not burn-in, since that's a > permanent condition of the phosphors and cannot be fixed short of > replacing the crt. > > I'd like to hear some sort of an explanation of this phenomenon, and > perhaps see an example. Does it also happen with LED LCDs? > > Take a look at this discussion of LCD persistence. http://compreviews.about.com/od/monitors/a/LCDBurnIn.htm -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] For the Serious MFB
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/16/iphone-home-button-earrings-are-for-serious-fangirls-and-guy/ Tom now has the first item on his christmas list when he goes to sit on Santas lap. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CNET News.com: Gates: Apple is a 'force in doing good things' - CNET News
What do you mean? Jobs is dying or MS stock it going to tank? db tjpa wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Rev. Stewart A. Marshall wrote: During a CNBC special in which he appeared with Warren Buffett, Microsoft's Bill Gates is effusive in his praise for Steve Jobs and Apple. Something bad is about to happen. I just know it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple and Something Bad
Yes, it's possible. But knowing the history of of large corporations I doubt it. I will be pleasantly surprised and happy to be wrong. Interesting also, the article points out the rarity of Jobs own name appearing on a patent. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) < mark.sny...@ngc.com> wrote: > Mike, you didn't elaborate, but it appears you meant Apple would not do > that. Actually, they might to protect their brand against ad-supported > "freebie" competition. Or even someone doing this with OS X. > > Thank you, > > Mark Snyder > -Original Message- > > Wow that's funny. > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:43 AM, tjpa wrote: > > > On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: > > > >> "Apple has filed a patent that forces users to interact with an ad. > >> > > > > They could just hold the patent and use it to prevent anyone from > doing > > this bad. > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple and Something Bad
Mike, you didn't elaborate, but it appears you meant Apple would not do that. Actually, they might to protect their brand against ad-supported "freebie" competition. Or even someone doing this with OS X. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Wow that's funny. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:43 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: > >> "Apple has filed a patent that forces users to interact with an ad. >> > > They could just hold the patent and use it to prevent anyone from doing > this bad. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple and Something Bad
Wow that's funny. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:43 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: > >> "Apple has filed a patent that forces users to interact with an ad. >> > > They could just hold the patent and use it to prevent anyone from doing > this bad. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
Yep, speed. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:50 AM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 15, 2009, at 3:47 PM, mike wrote: > >> ESATA also..makes firewire look like a red headed step child. >> > > I don't think an ESATA cable will stand up to constant unplugging and > replugging. Nor does it provide power. It is intended for an entirely > different purpose. > > > > * > ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** > ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** > * > * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple and Something Bad
Okay, time will tell; but that type of thing does not fit the Apple Experience model. Here's one that may be more like it: "Apple plans to release a new "Concierge" application for the iPhone and iPod touch that will allow customers to schedule appointments at retail stores, AppleInsider has been told." Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: > "Apple has filed a patent that forces users to interact with an ad. They could just hold the patent and use it to prevent anyone from doing this bad. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple and Something Bad
On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: "Apple has filed a patent that forces users to interact with an ad. They could just hold the patent and use it to prevent anyone from doing this bad. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Apple and Something Bad
Such as this evil idea Apple has filed for patent? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/business/15digi.html?_r=2&ref=business "Apple has filed a patent that forces users to interact with an ad. FTFA: "Its distinctive feature is a design that doesn't simply invite a user to pay attention to an ad - it also compels attention. The technology can freeze the device until the user clicks a button or answers a test question to demonstrate that he or she has dutifully noticed the commercial message. Because this technology would be embedded in the innermost core of the device, the ads could appear on the screen at any time, no matter what one is doing."" Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Something bad is about to happen. I just know it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CNET News.com: Gates: Apple is a 'force in doing good things' - CNET News
Gates has been out of M$ long enough that he can afford to be gracious... No more babies to knife! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Rev. Stewart A. Marshall wrote: > During a CNBC special in which he appeared with Warren Buffett, > Microsoft's Bill Gates is effusive in his praise for Steve Jobs and > Apple. Something bad is about to happen. I just know it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
I too understood that LCD monitors can't have burn-in. But exactly what is this 'persistence'? Clearly it's not burn-in, since that's a permanent condition of the phosphors and cannot be fixed short of replacing the crt. I'd like to hear some sort of an explanation of this phenomenon, and perhaps see an example. Does it also happen with LED LCDs? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the "Z" & OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
On Nov 15, 2009, at 3:47 PM, mike wrote: ESATA also..makes firewire look like a red headed step child. I don't think an ESATA cable will stand up to constant unplugging and replugging. Nor does it provide power. It is intended for an entirely different purpose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
On Nov 16, 2009, at 5:05 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: Ok, I have a b**ch here. Has anyone else had a problem with burn in on their 24" intel iMacs? No, but I have read it can happen. Unlike CRT burn-in, it is a temporary situation. There are utility programs that can chase it away sooner. What store did you take your Mac to that was so unhelpful? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
On Nov 16, 2009, at 8:09 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I realize that there are plenty of folks who, for whatever reason, want to keep their personal computers fully running on all cylinders at all times, never turning anything off or allowing any components go to "sleep" ever. Do these folks leave their cars idling overnight? TV always turned on 24 hours a day? In the non-Windows world 24/7 is normal. UNIX-based systems are not intended to be turned off. This caused some grief in the early days of OS X if Macs were turned off when clean-up scripts ran in the middle of the night. Recent versions of the OS will run these utilities at startup if they were not run overnight. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CNET News.com: Gates: Apple is a 'force in doing good things' - CNET News
On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Rev. Stewart A. Marshall wrote: During a CNBC special in which he appeared with Warren Buffett, Microsoft's Bill Gates is effusive in his praise for Steve Jobs and Apple. Something bad is about to happen. I just know it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] CNET News.com: Gates: Apple is a 'force in doing good things' - CNET News
This email was sent from popoz...@earthlink.net Message from sender: interesting how civil they are. Gates: Apple is a 'force in doing good things' - CNET News URL: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10398053-71.html During a CNBC special in which he appeared with Warren Buffett, Microsoft's Bill Gates is effusive in his praise for Steve Jobs and Apple. CNET: The source for computers and technology http://www.cnet.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:00 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: > Apple support > recommends this method-quick version replace your screen saver image with an > all white one. Personally, I recommend a totally blank, black screen, commonly referred to as "screen blanking." Any other form of screen saving is not really "saving" anything. It may work to avoid so-called "persistence," but will continue to age the screen prematurely. Nothing wrong with letting the computer and hard drives go to sleep either, in my humble opinion. They need some rest too, just like you. I realize that there are plenty of folks who, for whatever reason, want to keep their personal computers fully running on all cylinders at all times, never turning anything off or allowing any components go to "sleep" ever. Do these folks leave their cars idling overnight? TV always turned on 24 hours a day? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: >Ok, I have a b**ch here. Has anyone else had a problem with burn in > on their 24" intel iMacs? >I recently took mine in for repair or replacement. They told me it > was burn in and wasn't covered by the warrantee. I've owned this computer > "brand new" since 6/09. It is on most of the time. But I have been running > the screen saver. The burn in marks are very obvious and from running > Safari. The things that look like scratches line up perfectly with the > Safari window. >I find it hard to believe a decent monitor would suffer burn in like > this after only about 6 months. I have a clam shell ibook that's been on for > a couple of years strait and doesn't suffer this problem. In fact, I can't > remember seeing monitor burn in since I can't remember when. Maybe it was an > old CRT many years ago. >I constantly run most of my computers 24/7. I run screen savers on a > few. I do on the new one with problems. I use my pictures folder as a screen > saver. I like seeing pictures I've taken on vacation. I've found this to be > the best way to do so, or those vacation pics just get stored somewhere. >I'm rambling. I heard that maybe Apple had one manufacture for the > 20" and another for the 24". Am I the only one that's seen this? > > Aren't these LCD monitors? I didn't think that they could burn in. Ah they call it persistance. Apple support recommends this method-quick version replace your screen saver image with an all white one. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2807?viewlocale=en_US -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Mac Monitor problems
Ok, I have a b**ch here. Has anyone else had a problem with burn in on their 24" intel iMacs? I recently took mine in for repair or replacement. They told me it was burn in and wasn't covered by the warrantee. I've owned this computer "brand new" since 6/09. It is on most of the time. But I have been running the screen saver. The burn in marks are very obvious and from running Safari. The things that look like scratches line up perfectly with the Safari window. I find it hard to believe a decent monitor would suffer burn in like this after only about 6 months. I have a clam shell ibook that's been on for a couple of years strait and doesn't suffer this problem. In fact, I can't remember seeing monitor burn in since I can't remember when. Maybe it was an old CRT many years ago. I constantly run most of my computers 24/7. I run screen savers on a few. I do on the new one with problems. I use my pictures folder as a screen saver. I like seeing pictures I've taken on vacation. I've found this to be the best way to do so, or those vacation pics just get stored somewhere. I'm rambling. I heard that maybe Apple had one manufacture for the 20" and another for the 24". Am I the only one that's seen this? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
