Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:55 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect this is like anything..why can't they learn both? There are MUCH larger problems with our eduction system than which OS to learn. I'd much rather have them at a very young age begin to learn other languages, a more broadly based education in general will help them in many areas. I agree. However, the Fairfax County, Virginia school system is preparing to eliminate ALL foreign language courses. This is the same school system essentially requires that students do all research online, file their homework online, and teachers even hand out the daily homework assignments online. A recent article in the Washington Post described how poorer students without home computers flood local libraries every school day, often having to travel miles to get there, just to get their assignments, do their homework and file their assignments, but often with a 30 minute per-session limit on computer access as well as having to have a library card to even use the library computers. This is such a ridiculous situation, at least in my opinion, as to cause me to ask this question: What is the most used internet search term in the entire Washington DC metropolitan area? How about fcps blackboard, according to data from Google. That is the Fairfax County school system site where these students have to go to get their assignments, find out what URLs they have to go to in order to do their homework research, and even to post their assignments. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Brand new Win 7 laptop crashing
I took delivery of a brand spanking new Vaio CW with Win 7 Pro earlier this month and for the most part it's been great. Great except for the part where it crashes overnight. I talked to a coworker and he thinks it's due to the defragger running - I did have it scheduled to run 3 times a week (it's now turned off). Has anyone had defrag issues, maybe even with Vista? Do I need to defrag with a SATA drive? Are there good free alternatives? - Joe * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Quoting db db...@att.net: That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same. Is homogenization really a Good Thing? Doesn't leave much room for innovation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Brand new Win 7 laptop crashing
Defragging shouldn't cause crashing at any rate. But most users don't need to defrag but maybe once or twice a year. I use MyDefrag (formerly JKDefrag) (freeware) on some machines; on my own I use PerfectDisk (pay). I'd sure want to get to the cause of the crashes while the unit is still under warranty. Don't you have anything to offer us besides a coworker's opinion? On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Joe Tseng joe_ts...@hotmail.com wrote: I took delivery of a brand spanking new Vaio CW with Win 7 Pro earlier this month and for the most part it's been great. Great except for the part where it crashes overnight. I talked to a coworker and he thinks it's due to the defragger running - I did have it scheduled to run 3 times a week (it's now turned off). Has anyone had defrag issues, maybe even with Vista? Do I need to defrag with a SATA drive? Are there good free alternatives? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I don't think it's a good thing, that's where you get things that are unaccountable like government or windows mobile. Take your pick of evil. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting db db...@att.net: That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same. Is homogenization really a Good Thing? Doesn't leave much room for innovation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Brand new Win 7 laptop crashing
Check your power options along with update schedule etc. A friend of mine had a system crashing overnight due to power options and his RAID. He had put the hard drives to never sleep on the main page of power options, but deeper in, they were still being put to sleep. Could be something like this, obviously you don't have RAID, but something similar could be happening. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Joe Tseng joe_ts...@hotmail.com wrote: I took delivery of a brand spanking new Vaio CW with Win 7 Pro earlier this month and for the most part it's been great. Great except for the part where it crashes overnight. I talked to a coworker and he thinks it's due to the defragger running - I did have it scheduled to run 3 times a week (it's now turned off). Has anyone had defrag issues, maybe even with Vista? Do I need to defrag with a SATA drive? Are there good free alternatives? - Joe * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apache on 64-bit Win 7
I believe that Apache IS the Operating System. Windows would not be involved. - B - Original Message - From: Joe Tseng joe_ts...@hotmail.com Subject: [CGUYS] Apache on 64-bit Win 7 Is there any benefit of using 64-bit Apache on Windows or is installing it a waste of time? Is it compatible with 32-bit PHP? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apache on 64-bit Win 7
Apache is a webserver, open source. One of the most used on the net. I don't think it would matter if it was 64 or 32bit...unless you are serving massive pages and need loads of memory. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Brian Jones wjone...@carolina.rr.comwrote: I believe that Apache IS the Operating System. Windows would not be involved. - B - Original Message - From: Joe Tseng joe_ts...@hotmail.com Subject: [CGUYS] Apache on 64-bit Win 7 Is there any benefit of using 64-bit Apache on Windows or is installing it a waste of time? Is it compatible with 32-bit PHP? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Brand new Win 7 laptop crashing
Oh, good point. Win7 comes out of the box with very agressive power saving features. These can all be adjusted in Control PanelPower. But it's normal to come back to a machine and find it off. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Check your power options along with update schedule etc. A friend of mine had a system crashing overnight due to power options and his RAID. He had * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apache on 64-bit Win 7
There's no benefit at all to someone that doesn't *need* Apache. Are you a web developer? Do you write php code? If not, then no, the average person doesn't need Apache. If yes then you want to install 64 bit if you have a 64 bit system. I mean, define benefit. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Joe Tseng joe_ts...@hotmail.com wrote: Is there any benefit of using 64-bit Apache on Windows or is installing it a waste of time? Is it compatible with 32-bit PHP? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] gawwd ...bluetooth!
I spent the whole evening (missed Friday nite smackdown!!) cuz my new winMobile6.1 fone lost its ability to sync via bluetooth .notably, the device was showing services list as serial port instead of activesync so it would not connect despite connecting fine via USB. Last nite I fumed, swore, fiddled, refreshed, deleted, rediscovered, refreshed, refreshed ad nauseam, read google, ad nauseam, and finally gave up and watched the news. This am, I went into my office, opened up winXPhomeSP3 desktop, turned on BT on the fone, went to devices, selected my desktop moniker, saw active sync as service (not serial port), checked it, told AS to sync via BT and BAM .works like a charm. WTH happened? Was BT ever meant for we earthlings to comprehend, or is it squarely in the domain of the high and holy within 20mi of Redmond or Santa Clara ?? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
I've had fine experiences in mixed and non mixed environments. I'm wondering...how would the scientists run their software on machines that didn't run their software? This is precisely my point, this point has nothing to do with windows or os x. Did they fire everyone and replace the machines with windows and let them sit there? One of the local community colleges here runs it's entire IT department by itself...they build machines, service machines, install the os...everything. This has saved them immense amounts of money. Mike - Do you have experience with large multinationals, or large US corporations? They behave very differently than smaller companies and universities/colleges. The scientists [at the unnamed corp.] wrote software to run on their Macs. They had to rewrite it to work on PCs. The techs complained when they installed varieties of Unix. Even HP used Macs for drawings and videos while much of the 3D robotics visuals were on HP/UX, 2D on the Macs, general office was Windows. HP, at least at that one facility, had staff that knew enough to choose the best software for their needs. Macs these days can run almost any OS [haven't tried Solaris on a Mac yet.]. PCs can run most--not limited to Windows]. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] gawwd ...bluetooth!
/me intones...windows mobile... On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: I spent the whole evening (missed Friday nite smackdown!!) cuz my new winMobile6.1 fone lost its ability to sync via bluetooth .notably, the device was showing services list as serial port instead of activesync so it would not connect despite connecting fine via USB. Last nite I fumed, swore, fiddled, refreshed, deleted, rediscovered, refreshed, refreshed ad nauseam, read google, ad nauseam, and finally gave up and watched the news. This am, I went into my office, opened up winXPhomeSP3 desktop, turned on BT on the fone, went to devices, selected my desktop moniker, saw active sync as service (not serial port), checked it, told AS to sync via BT and BAM .works like a charm. WTH happened? Was BT ever meant for we earthlings to comprehend, or is it squarely in the domain of the high and holy within 20mi of Redmond or Santa Clara ?? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
Quoting Tony B ton...@gmail.com: Except that just the other day it took three passes on a machine at work for CCleaner to find no more problems. WinXP. Maybe. But that doesn't excuse anything. Nor does it justify anything. A better question would be: Did you see a marked, measurable improvement in something after you did it? I need to justify maintaining my computer?! To who? I don't even know where to get the proper forms! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
Quoting mike xha...@gmail.com: would have people believe. My point isn't that there are no IT managers who are biased, but that I don't think the whole IT field is as underhanded as Tom would have people believe. IT managers also don't control costs, many CFO's don't look years ahead to see what the TCO might be in a decade if they revamp the entire network. The TCO isn't IT...blame the bankers, or whomever. Perhaps his experience is just with bad IT managers, the two main ones I worked with came in from the ground level, hardware hobbyists who self taught and were certified later, I find these types of IT managers to be much better than those who get certified and pushed out in the field with no experience. Another thing Tom doesn't seem to understand is that IT departments *not* having problems are unlikely to call for his services, so, of course he's going to see an inordinate number of problems. He's never going to see the well run IT departments. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
Not larger than under 2k users. I was speaking more to Tom's points of just black balling all IT managers...but than that's his bad habit with most anything. Macs can run any os...but it would be beyond ridiculous to have a company with windows only software buy a machine that is much more expensive just to put windows on the machine. Unless you want/have to run OS X, there is no reason to buy a mac. You can get good hardware to run solaris, or linux etc...or windows if that's what has to be done. The doctors offices I have been to, run applications that simply won't run on macs...Tom won't believe it, that's fine. He just doesn't have the same experiences as others and uses anecdotal evidence to paint everything with broad brushes. Some, and I'm not talking about you, simply won't for any reason believe there is a reason to use windows...again, that is their weakness. As I stated, the TCO of the pc's at this community college was lower than the macs...because a lot of the TCO that can be added has to do with maintenance on the machines...AV work, etc...these machines have been locked down for years and have never had any issues. A bad IT manager can do more damage on a windows network than a mac network, no doubt, but a well run windows network...is..well run. I don't care what anyone else uses, what gets old is the judgement of others in ignorance when other users choose something else. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:44 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: I've had fine experiences in mixed and non mixed environments. I'm wondering...how would the scientists run their software on machines that didn't run their software? This is precisely my point, this point has nothing to do with windows or os x. Did they fire everyone and replace the machines with windows and let them sit there? One of the local community colleges here runs it's entire IT department by itself...they build machines, service machines, install the os...everything. This has saved them immense amounts of money. Mike - Do you have experience with large multinationals, or large US corporations? They behave very differently than smaller companies and universities/colleges. The scientists [at the unnamed corp.] wrote software to run on their Macs. They had to rewrite it to work on PCs. The techs complained when they installed varieties of Unix. Even HP used Macs for drawings and videos while much of the 3D robotics visuals were on HP/UX, 2D on the Macs, general office was Windows. HP, at least at that one facility, had staff that knew enough to choose the best software for their needs. Macs these days can run almost any OS [haven't tried Solaris on a Mac yet.]. PCs can run most--not limited to Windows]. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual
Looking for list opinions. Yes, I know that it will be all over the place, but that's what I'm looking for, I guess. Currently I have two old Dell boxes. (1) Primary: Optiplex GX270 running Ubuntu Linux. Yes, it is my primary as I'm a server admin and work with remote servers all the time. Most used apps are Terminal (for ssh sessions with X, ie: ssh -Y), Firefox, audacious (to listen to mp3s in the background). (2) Secondary: Dell Dimension 8200 running Win XP. Used most of the time to watch streaming video that requires IE. This is the reason I have to have a Windows machine. Also used to watch DVDs w/ VLC media player or watch sites like pbs.org (occasionally). Two machines have two monitors, but I use a KVM switch to share kbd/mouse. I've finally received a Dell Optiplex 960 w/ 4Gig of memory. I'm thinking of replacing both machines with this single box. Option 1: Run 64-bit Ubuntu on the physical machine, install Sun VirtualBox and create a virtual machine to install either Win XP or Win7. People say that video will suck on the virtual Windows machine since it will use the video driver from VirtualBox. Anyone doing this? (watch steaming video on a virtual Windows machine?) Does anyone know if VirtualBox can assign a physical video card to a virtual machine? (If so, I can purchase another video card.) If I go this route, I will connect two monitors to the two video outputs and run the virtual machine in full-screen mode in one monitor. I can get rid of the KVM switch. Option 2: Run 64-bit Windows 7 on the physical machine, install Sun VirtualBox software and create a virtual machine to install Ubuntu. Streaming video won't suck since Win7 will use the correct drivers for the physical video card. But, now my primary machine--the linux one--will depend on a Windows machine with all that implies. I'm a Unix/Linux guy, so by definition, I'm not a WFB. So, putting all my eggs in a single Windows basket doesn't appeal to me all that much. Other than that, any other pitfalls I'm likely to encounter? Yes, this will also mean running the virtual machine in full-screen mode in one monitor and I can get rid of the KVM switch. Option 3: Please suggest. (I must run 64-bit OSes, at least as the host OS, to take advantage of all 4Gigs of memory, correct?) Thanks in advance for suggestions/opinions. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Innovation by definition happens in new areas ... Given the same environment, I don't think you can significantly keep developing something indefinitely. Eventually, ingenuity and options have run their course. Quill pens were replaced by pencils and pens ... they didn't keep experimenting with new types of quills... horse and carriage by cars and trucks sulpha drugs by other antibiotics At some point a design should and does mature for good reason. It's exciting (and difficult) when the dev curve is steep but when it flattens out again, you've got a damned good item. db From their on out Reid Katan wrote: Quoting db db...@att.net: That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same. Is homogenization really a Good Thing? Doesn't leave much room for innovation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Brand new Win 7 laptop crashing
Quoting Joe Tseng joe_ts...@hotmail.com: I took delivery of a brand spanking new Vaio CW with Win 7 Pro earlier this month and for the most part it's been great. Great except for the part where it crashes overnight. I talked to a coworker and he thinks it's due to the defragger running - I did have it scheduled to run 3 times a week (it's now turned off). Has anyone had defrag issues, maybe even with Vista? Do I need to defrag with a SATA drive? Are there good free alternatives? It's not the drive interface that matters (IDE, SATA, SCSI), it's the file system (NTFS, FAT, FAT32). Assuming that your drive is formatted NTFS--and why wouldn't it be-- you *certainly* don't need to defrag *that* often. NTFS is much better than FAT at not fragging in the first place. Now, about the brand new computer that keeps crashing. . .I'd say take it back and make it *their* problem. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual
Should work with ubuntu as the main box. I think they are talking about more intensive video applications like gaming, because the VM os doesn't have direct access to the hardware, but this should work for just streaming video over IE..although I have not done it myself. I have my main machine dual booted with ubuntu and 7 atm. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Michael Fernando michael@gmail.comwrote: Looking for list opinions. Yes, I know that it will be all over the place, but that's what I'm looking for, I guess. Currently I have two old Dell boxes. (1) Primary: Optiplex GX270 running Ubuntu Linux. Yes, it is my primary as I'm a server admin and work with remote servers all the time. Most used apps are Terminal (for ssh sessions with X, ie: ssh -Y), Firefox, audacious (to listen to mp3s in the background). (2) Secondary: Dell Dimension 8200 running Win XP. Used most of the time to watch streaming video that requires IE. This is the reason I have to have a Windows machine. Also used to watch DVDs w/ VLC media player or watch sites like pbs.org (occasionally). Two machines have two monitors, but I use a KVM switch to share kbd/mouse. I've finally received a Dell Optiplex 960 w/ 4Gig of memory. I'm thinking of replacing both machines with this single box. Option 1: Run 64-bit Ubuntu on the physical machine, install Sun VirtualBox and create a virtual machine to install either Win XP or Win7. People say that video will suck on the virtual Windows machine since it will use the video driver from VirtualBox. Anyone doing this? (watch steaming video on a virtual Windows machine?) Does anyone know if VirtualBox can assign a physical video card to a virtual machine? (If so, I can purchase another video card.) If I go this route, I will connect two monitors to the two video outputs and run the virtual machine in full-screen mode in one monitor. I can get rid of the KVM switch. Option 2: Run 64-bit Windows 7 on the physical machine, install Sun VirtualBox software and create a virtual machine to install Ubuntu. Streaming video won't suck since Win7 will use the correct drivers for the physical video card. But, now my primary machine--the linux one--will depend on a Windows machine with all that implies. I'm a Unix/Linux guy, so by definition, I'm not a WFB. So, putting all my eggs in a single Windows basket doesn't appeal to me all that much. Other than that, any other pitfalls I'm likely to encounter? Yes, this will also mean running the virtual machine in full-screen mode in one monitor and I can get rid of the KVM switch. Option 3: Please suggest. (I must run 64-bit OSes, at least as the host OS, to take advantage of all 4Gigs of memory, correct?) Thanks in advance for suggestions/opinions. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] gawwd ...bluetooth!
Quoting rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com: [. . .] as service (not serial port), checked it, told AS to sync via BT and BAM .works like a charm. WTH happened? Was BT ever meant for we earthlings to comprehend, or is it squarely in the domain of the high and holy within 20mi of Redmond or Santa Clara ?? *And* you missed SmackDown! (-: * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I was listening to a radio program on NPR the other day where they talked about the problem with setting standards. The new HD TV's have only 3 times as much resolution as the old standard SDTV. Not much progress is there. When you set some standards innovation seems to lag. People are designing and building well designed and radically designed PC's. One of my members has even designed and built a water resistant self contained with Battery Back up PC for use on Oil Rigs. Stewart At 01:09 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote: Innovation by definition happens in new areas ... Given the same environment, I don't think you can significantly keep developing something indefinitely. Eventually, ingenuity and options have run their course. Quill pens were replaced by pencils and pens ... they didn't keep experimenting with new types of quills... horse and carriage by cars and trucks sulpha drugs by other antibiotics At some point a design should and does mature for good reason. It's exciting (and difficult) when the dev curve is steep but when it flattens out again, you've got a damned good item. db From their on out Reid Katan wrote: Quoting db db...@att.net: That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same. Is homogenization really a Good Thing? Doesn't leave much room for innovation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 19 Dec 2009 - Special issue (#2009-1129)
Huh? From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:14 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 19 Dec 2009 - Special issue (#2009-1129) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual
I agree with Mike. I do all my Windows stuff in a VM inside Ubuntu, and it works much nicer in 64-bit, IMHO. But here are some other thoughts. a. Another option is to look at VMware. The newest Virtualbox (3.0?) is very nice, but you can also do a lot with free VMware products like vmplayer. One or the other will have some feature you like better. I am pretty darn sure VMware can give a VM direct access to hardware. I have only done this with like an EVDO modem or the like. b. Both Virtualbox and VMware also support some sort of direct integration, where you don't have to be in the VM, but just running an application from the VM on your Ubuntu desktop. This seems just right for running one key application like video streaming with IE. c. Have you ever tried to see if Wine can run your IE video streaming? That might be the best performance overall. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual
Quoting Michael Fernando michael@gmail.com: Option 3: Please suggest. (I must run 64-bit OSes, at least as the host OS, to take advantage of all 4Gigs of memory, correct?) Thanks in advance for suggestions/opinions. Other than the streaming video that requires IE can you do all your other video watching in Ubuntu? I guess I'd suggest you virtualize Windows for the few(?) times you need IE. Then complain like a mutha' to the offending site(s). They shouldn't be dictating your browser choices like that (which, I guess, you already know :-). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 19 Dec 2009 - Special issue (#2009-1129)
What? Quoting rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com: Huh? From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:14 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 19 Dec 2009 - Special issue (#2009-1129) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: The new HD TV's have only 3 times as much resolution as the old standard SDTV. Not much progress is there. Considering the quality of programs on TV, for the most part, why would anyone anguish over the quality of the picture? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Indeed. I do find myself glued to Dexter however. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:32 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: The new HD TV's have only 3 times as much resolution as the old standard SDTV. Not much progress is there. Considering the quality of programs on TV, for the most part, why would anyone anguish over the quality of the picture? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I don't see the connection you are making between mature product cycles and government and WM. To my mind, WM is an uninspired mediocre downscaled desktop OS product from a provider with bad juju. Did it ever mature? Governments ... have been both good and bad. The good ones were probably the ones that developed to a mature level. The bad ones are when they rot sometime thereafter... when citizens stop maintaining them. ?? db mike wrote: I don't think it's a good thing, that's where you get things that are unaccountable like government or windows mobile. Take your pick of evil. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting db db...@att.net: That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same. Is homogenization really a Good Thing? Doesn't leave much room for innovation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
My point was that part of the problem is that when things get too big they are unaccountable because they don't have to be. WM was untouched for years because nothing challanged them...the post office is run like crap because no matter what they know they will keep getting moneyunaccountable. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:01 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: I don't see the connection you are making between mature product cycles and government and WM. To my mind, WM is an uninspired mediocre downscaled desktop OS product from a provider with bad juju. Did it ever mature? Governments ... have been both good and bad. The good ones were probably the ones that developed to a mature level. The bad ones are when they rot sometime thereafter... when citizens stop maintaining them. ?? db mike wrote: I don't think it's a good thing, that's where you get things that are unaccountable like government or windows mobile. Take your pick of evil. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting db db...@att.net: That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same. Is homogenization really a Good Thing? Doesn't leave much room for innovation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual
a. Another option is to look at VMware. The newest Virtualbox (3.0?) is very nice, but you can also do a lot with free VMware products like vmplayer. One or the other will have some feature you like better. I am pretty darn sure VMware can give a VM direct access to hardware. I have only done this with like an EVDO modem or the like. Thanks for reminding me that VMware has free options also. I've played with VirtualBox because it is available as an Ubuntu package via Synaptic Package Manager (VirtualBox-OSE). I'll look at VMware options. b. Both Virtualbox and VMware also support some sort of direct integration, where you don't have to be in the VM, Any pointers for how to do this? c. Have you ever tried to see if Wine can run your IE video streaming? That might be the best performance overall. A couple of years ago, I tried running another video app (TVants) via WINE and the video quality was pretty bad. But, that was on another machine, another video card, etc. etc. So, I should give this another go ... Thanks for your suggestions. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual
Other than the streaming video that requires IE can you do all your other video watching in Ubuntu? Yes, for instance, flash or watching DVDs works from Ubuntu. They shouldn't be dictating your browser choices like that (which, I guess, you already know :-). Yeah, what's worse, I'm paying for the content (international sports). They said that they will fix, but I'm not holding my breath. When you want something bad enough, I guess, you are willing to put up with all sorts of requirements. :-) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Monocultures are almost always bad. Besides, without Macs, who would Microsoft copy? With one OS and limited software, there are a lot of tasks--and games--that won't get done as well as with several operating systems and a variety of software. You are wrong about government. YOU/WE are the government. When elected representatives don't behave, fire them--vote for someone who's better--campaign, inform if you have to do that. If government is unaccountable, it's the fault of people who were distracted or uniformed enough to vote for crooks instead of people who represent them. You can't have someone do everything you want, but when it's 70-80%, that's pretty good. Steve mentioned the Fairfax Co, Va. schools racing to the bottom when foreign languages are more important than ever, and many students don't have computers. That's what you get when millionaires get big tax cuts, corporations get their wars, and the national debt skyrockets, resulting in cuts for school budgets. Virginia voters weren't paying attention to basics in the recent election [primary, general], otherwise they would have had better choices for governor [and local reps.]. Not paying attention and being uninformed of facts is the worst of the evils. I don't think it's a good thing, that's where you get things that are unaccountable like government or windows mobile. Take your pick of evil. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting db db...@att.net: That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same. Is homogenization really a Good Thing? Doesn't leave much room for innovation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:30:25 -0500, Michael Fernando wrote: They shouldn't be dictating your browser choices like that (which, I guess, you already know :-). Yeah, what's worse, I'm paying for the content (international sports). They said that they will fix, but I'm not holding my breath. When you want something bad enough, I guess, you are willing to put up with all sorts of requirements. :-) Hmm. I guess they got you by the. . . BTW, what is it about IE that is required? Is it a CaptiveX thing? Silver Light, or whatever it's called, runs in Firefox. -- R:\katan - SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Reid Katan wrote: Quoting Michael Fernando michael@gmail.com: Option 3: Please suggest. (I must run 64-bit OSes, at least as the host OS, to take advantage of all 4Gigs of memory, correct?) Thanks in advance for suggestions/opinions. Other than the streaming video that requires IE can you do all your other video watching in Ubuntu? I guess I'd suggest you virtualize Windows for the few(?) times you need IE. Then complain like a mutha' to the offending site(s). They shouldn't be dictating your browser choices like that (which, I guess, you already know :-). I've found MPlayer can play almost all videos I need to play including downloaded flash videos from Youtube. And since he mentioned VLC, he shouldn't forget that VLC is available on Linux as well as Windows, though I personally have had better luck using Xine to play DVDs on Linux. The only times I've run into places where I couldn't play video on Linux is the ABC website which must be using their own player, which refuses to install if it doesn't detect Windows. So, I suppose a Windows VM would work there. As for 64-bit, that might be wise in general, but if you're worried about compatibility, you could use the 32-bit/PAE kernel. Not sure if Ubuntu has one, but I'm using one on my old Fedora 8 machine with 4GB of RAM. On the other hand, if all you need Linux for is administrating remote servers, you could have a pure Windows machine, with Putty for SSH and Xming (http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/) for X display. -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/vi...@steeds.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
That's why I was making my sacrilegious critique of some of Apple's OS bad points that cause many people unnecessary difficulty. If the IT literate don't/ can't see the problem, it will never be fixed and the system remains unaccountable. With some of the name calling and righteous huffing and puffing that resulted from my OS X comments, some of you Computerguys sounded like the people defending Wall Street / the bad parts of the bailout or our continuous wars in Iraq/Afghanistan. Pointed criticism isn't a bad thing / unpatriotic it's how the accountability process begins. If things are broke... or inefficient and bothersome ... they should be fixed for the benefit of everyone and if it's just they don't bother you ... you might give people some credit for their concerns. Insisting they are wrong just makes you part of the metaphysical problem. What do you really know of other's realities? Give people some credit and empowerment sometimes for knowing something that makes no sense to you. Particularly when they are working hard and in substantial ways at it. Saying Red is Blue over and over again is a recipe for nothing good in particular... I bet most everyone has learned that lesson a few times with their significant other. If they haven't, they are no doubt living alone.. db mike wrote: My point was that part of the problem is that when things get too big they are unaccountable because they don't have to be. WM was untouched for years because nothing challanged them...the post office is run like crap because no matter what they know they will keep getting moneyunaccountable. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:01 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: I don't see the connection you are making between mature product cycles and government and WM. To my mind, WM is an uninspired mediocre downscaled desktop OS product from a provider with bad juju. Did it ever mature? Governments ... have been both good and bad. The good ones were probably the ones that developed to a mature level. The bad ones are when they rot sometime thereafter... when citizens stop maintaining them. ?? db mike wrote: I don't think it's a good thing, that's where you get things that are unaccountable like government or windows mobile. Take your pick of evil. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting db db...@att.net: That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same. Is homogenization really a Good Thing? Doesn't leave much room for innovation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
In politics and computers, too many feel a different view is stupidity and not just a different view. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:23 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: That's why I was making my sacrilegious critique of some of Apple's OS bad points that cause many people unnecessary difficulty. If the IT literate don't/ can't see the problem, it will never be fixed and the system remains unaccountable. With some of the name calling and righteous huffing and puffing that resulted from my OS X comments, some of you Computerguys sounded like the people defending Wall Street / the bad parts of the bailout or our continuous wars in Iraq/Afghanistan. Pointed criticism isn't a bad thing / unpatriotic it's how the accountability process begins. If things are broke... or inefficient and bothersome ... they should be fixed for the benefit of everyone and if it's just they don't bother you ... you might give people some credit for their concerns. Insisting they are wrong just makes you part of the metaphysical problem. What do you really know of other's realities? Give people some credit and empowerment sometimes for knowing something that makes no sense to you. Particularly when they are working hard and in substantial ways at it. Saying Red is Blue over and over again is a recipe for nothing good in particular... I bet most everyone has learned that lesson a few times with their significant other. If they haven't, they are no doubt living alone.. db mike wrote: My point was that part of the problem is that when things get too big they are unaccountable because they don't have to be. WM was untouched for years because nothing challanged them...the post office is run like crap because no matter what they know they will keep getting moneyunaccountable. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:01 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: I don't see the connection you are making between mature product cycles and government and WM. To my mind, WM is an uninspired mediocre downscaled desktop OS product from a provider with bad juju. Did it ever mature? Governments ... have been both good and bad. The good ones were probably the ones that developed to a mature level. The bad ones are when they rot sometime thereafter... when citizens stop maintaining them. ?? db mike wrote: I don't think it's a good thing, that's where you get things that are unaccountable like government or windows mobile. Take your pick of evil. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting db db...@att.net: That is why OS's need to and will eventually get over their proprietaryness and look and work essentially the same. Is homogenization really a Good Thing? Doesn't leave much room for innovation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apache on 64-bit Win 7
Why yes I am thanks for asking! So yes there IS a benefit to me to install a local Apache instance. What I really wanted to do was get my Apache instance to work with my Tomcat instance using mod_jk. I'm considering using my VS.NET 08 to create a 64-bit version of PHP as well since . In any case I found someone had already created a 64-bit Apache: http://www.elxis.org/guides/developers-guides/64bit-apache-php-mysql-windows .html PS: I would imagine a lot of us on this list are software developers and database architects as well. -Original Message- From: Tony B [mailto:ton...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: Re: Apache on 64-bit Win 7 There's no benefit at all to someone that doesn't *need* Apache. Are you a web developer? Do you write php code? If not, then no, the average person doesn't need Apache. If yes then you want to install 64 bit if you have a 64 bit system. I mean, define benefit. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Joe Tseng joe_ts...@hotmail.com wrote: Is there any benefit of using 64-bit Apache on Windows or is installing it a waste of time? Is it compatible with 32-bit PHP? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] gawwd ...bluetooth!
Yeah...bummer, anyone got a vid dld for me ...it's my only source of vicariance these days septin'4 this board ...hehee ;^) -Original Message- From: Reid Katan [mailto:ka...@his.com] Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: Re: gawwd ...bluetooth! Quoting rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com: [. . .] as service (not serial port), checked it, told AS to sync via BT and BAM .works like a charm. WTH happened? Was BT ever meant for we earthlings to comprehend, or is it squarely in the domain of the high and holy within 20mi of Redmond or Santa Clara ?? *And* you missed SmackDown! (-: * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Before we keep knocking the PO let us remember. They are mandated by the government to deliver mail to each and every household in the US. Plus they have to do this at the same price point no matter what. They are not allowed to manage themselves. Now this does not excuse misalignment, and some other problems that are rampant. (Call it poor work habits.) I have folks that work for the PO and I know some good folks that work for the PO. The biggest complaint, is too many folks telling the PO how to manage itself, and no one giving the PO the tools to do so. One huge money saving tool? Stop all Saturday deliveries. Do you think that one will fly? Canada stopped it 25 years ago. Stewart At 02:14 PM 12/19/2009, you wrote: My point was that part of the problem is that when things get too big they are unaccountable because they don't have to be. WM was untouched for years because nothing challanged them...the post office is run like crap because no matter what they know they will keep getting moneyunaccountable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
Relax. You only need the forms if you wrote a registry cleaner that couldn't clean in one pass. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: I need to justify maintaining my computer?! To who? I don't even know where to get the proper forms! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:44 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I think the point is, you in good faith called and tried to fix the situation, they in turn have been screwing around. This reminds me of that problem when a student finds a teacher grades their paper wrong in the students favor. Most my teachers said, if it happens, don't tell me. I had a teacher miss count my test in my favor once. My buddy who sat in front of told the teacher of his mistake and the teacher took the point from my buddy for being a butiniski. All in all a positive outcome. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual
No, 4g is the limit for 32 bit Windows. To use most versions of Windows with more than 4g you need to go 64 bit. This is not a hard limit, it's a business decision by MS. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Michael Fernando michael@gmail.com wrote: (I must run 64-bit OSes, at least as the host OS, to take advantage of all 4Gigs of memory, correct?) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
Well with friends like these.. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:05 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:44 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I think the point is, you in good faith called and tried to fix the situation, they in turn have been screwing around. This reminds me of that problem when a student finds a teacher grades their paper wrong in the students favor. Most my teachers said, if it happens, don't tell me. I had a teacher miss count my test in my favor once. My buddy who sat in front of told the teacher of his mistake and the teacher took the point from my buddy for being a butiniski. All in all a positive outcome. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
??? On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Relax. You only need the forms if you wrote a registry cleaner that couldn't clean in one pass. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: I need to justify maintaining my computer?! To who? I don't even know where to get the proper forms! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Judy * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual
I thought it was limited to 3.5 gigs? On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: No, 4g is the limit for 32 bit Windows. To use most versions of Windows with more than 4g you need to go 64 bit. This is not a hard limit, it's a business decision by MS. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Michael Fernando michael@gmail.com wrote: (I must run 64-bit OSes, at least as the host OS, to take advantage of all 4Gigs of memory, correct?) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Physical vs. Virtual
?? Using 32 bits gives you the ability to directly address up to 4 GB of memory. Many OSs will do the same thing that Windows does - namely, reserve address space for graphics, BIOS, etc. Not that you couldn't use all 4 GB, but not directly. But my experience so far is that you might need to do a little more work with the 64-bit OS, but you aren't prevented from doing everything you want. Unlike a year ago. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: No, 4g is the limit for 32 bit Windows. To use most versions of Windows with more than 4g you need to go 64 bit. This is not a hard limit, it's a business decision by MS. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Michael Fernando michael@gmail.com wrote: (I must run 64-bit OSes, at least as the host OS, to take advantage of all 4Gigs of memory, correct?) -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM/DMCA Story
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: I don't think so, they did not pay near enough to congress to get preferential treatment. No but the other bozos have money and they may see it as protecting themselves. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Relax. You only need the forms if you wrote a registry cleaner that couldn't clean in one pass. Does any registry cleaner actually work in one pass? I thought it was like cleaning your desk. Every layer unearths a new layer of problems. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
After running a registry cleaner, I usually find that a couple of programs have lost their settings/preferences and have gone back to default settings. The list of stuff to be cleaned is so long and inscrutable that I've never been able to audit it and select items to _not_ be cleaned. Apparently the new security regime requires that all settings/preferences be recorded in registry entries, rather than stored in a .ini file, either in the program directory (where it belongs, IMNSHO) or in the Documents and Settings folder. More places where a virus is not allowed write privileges because no one is. Fred Holmes At 12:05 AM 12/19/2009, Tony B wrote: Maybe. But that doesn't excuse anything. Nor does it justify anything. A better question would be: Did you see a marked, measurable improvement in something after you did it? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
No, I've never seen one that does. However that does not mean it's not possible; it only means nobody has done it yet. And let's not analogize too liberally; no dirt is actually being removed, so the term cleaning is not particularly accurate. Sometimes when apps are uninstalled they will leave data in the registry. This is the stuff deleted by registry cleaners. However, aside from making the registry larger, since no more apps ever call this data, it does no harm at all just sitting there. Really, it was a big problem back in Win95 when the registry was new and no programmers really knew how to deal with it. But by Win7 I like to think a lot of that is behind us. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:13 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: Does any registry cleaner actually work in one pass? I thought it was like cleaning your desk. Every layer unearths a new layer of problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
On Dec 19, 2009, at 1:58 PM, mike wrote: As I stated, the TCO of the pc's at this community college was lower than the macs...because a lot of the TCO that can be added has to do with maintenance on the machines...AV work, etc...these machines have been locked down for years and have never had any issues. Creative accounting and refusing to admit the real costs. When you lock down a computer you have greatly reduced its functionality. People can't do as much with a locked down computer. Their productivity is lower. Their creativity is lower. It is not a fair comparison when that cost is ignored. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
On Dec 19, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Reid Katan wrote: Another thing Tom doesn't seem to understand is that IT departments *not* having problems are unlikely to call for his services, so, of course he's going to see an inordinate number of problems. He's never going to see the well run IT departments. You make a huge and fundamental error. I rarely get called to fix the kinds of problems you are thinking about, that is not what my work is about. My job is boosting and maintaining productivity. My clients generally work independently of IT as much as they can. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Dec 19, 2009, at 3:42 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: You are wrong about government. YOU/WE are the government. When elected representatives don't behave, fire them--vote for someone who's better--campaign, inform if you have to do that. If government is unaccountable, it's the fault of people who were distracted or uniformed enough to vote for crooks instead of people who represent them. You can't have someone do everything you want, but when it's 70-80%, that's pretty good. Constant denigration of government is a strategy designed to discourage as many citizens as possible from participating. That makes it easier for private interests to control it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
uh huh. Constant, neverending, denial. Not a fact to be seen..you are a funny man. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:34 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 19, 2009, at 1:58 PM, mike wrote: As I stated, the TCO of the pc's at this community college was lower than the macs...because a lot of the TCO that can be added has to do with maintenance on the machines...AV work, etc...these machines have been locked down for years and have never had any issues. Creative accounting and refusing to admit the real costs. When you lock down a computer you have greatly reduced its functionality. People can't do as much with a locked down computer. Their productivity is lower. Their creativity is lower. It is not a fair comparison when that cost is ignored. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Dec 19, 2009, at 3:14 PM, mike wrote: My point was that part of the problem is that when things get too big they are unaccountable because they don't have to be. WM was untouched for years because nothing challanged them...the post office is run like crap because no matter what they know they will keep getting moneyunaccountable. I think there is much you don't know about the Post Office. They are working very hard to provide service in a very tough environment. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
You mean like the ordinary citizens?? Heaven forbid! On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 8:52 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Constant denigration of government is a strategy designed to discourage as many citizens as possible from participating. That makes it easier for private interests to control it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
On Dec 19, 2009, at 5:23 PM, db wrote: That's why I was making my sacrilegious critique of some of Apple's OS bad points that cause many people unnecessary difficulty. If the IT literate don't/ can't see the problem, it will never be fixed and the system remains unaccountable. Except you were not. At most you were arguing that you would have designed some things differently and insisting that any deviation from you desires was a defect. That just isn't so. I did explain how there were perfectly valid, but different, methods that worked just fine. I even gave an example of something that really was a defect. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On Dec 19, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Tony B wrote: Relax. You only need the forms if you wrote a registry cleaner that couldn't clean in one pass. Carping about this just shows a lack of experience. M$'s registry repair utility gave the same advice. Utilities that repair disk drives do too. These types of data structures are not always fixed in a single pass. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On Dec 19, 2009, at 9:13 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Does any registry cleaner actually work in one pass? I thought it was like cleaning your desk. Every layer unearths a new layer of problems. Good analogy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
And do you want to remind us - when was that app discontinued? Back in the days of WIn95 I think? On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:15 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Carping about this just shows a lack of experience. M$'s registry repair utility gave the same advice. Utilities that repair disk drives do too. These types of data structures are not always fixed in a single pass. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
t.piwowar Creative accounting and refusing to admit the real costs. When you lock down a computer you have greatly reduced its functionality. People can't do as much with a locked down computer. Their productivity is lower. Their creativity is lower. It is not a fair comparison when that cost is ignored. Locking down a community machine is expected. Doing anything else is ridiculous. I might like my desktop one way, you another, somebody else, etc. The purpose of the machines might be to provide some limited means of providing editing and printing. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly My reality check just bounced * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Freeware registry cleaner
On Dec 19, 2009, at 9:16 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: Apparently the new security regime requires that all settings/ preferences be recorded in registry entries, rather than stored in a .ini file, either in the program directory (where it belongs, IMNSHO) or in the Documents and Settings folder. More places where a virus is not allowed write privileges because no one is. I keep hoping the M$ will come to its senses and ditch this dangerous registry nuisance, but they keep digging themselves deeper. M$ has a tendency to this. Outlook suffers from the same misguided design with all the user's email stuck into one big PST file. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Right computer OS [was: [CGUYS] Consternation...]
Tom won't care about pesky facts like every user can do exactly what they want to do. He doesn't even bother to ask how they are locked down he just assumes it's some horrible way that makes doing anything impossible. He doesn't care about the truth, just advancing a MFB ideology. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt way...@panix.com wrote: t.piwowar Creative accounting and refusing to admit the real costs. When you lock down a computer you have greatly reduced its functionality. People can't do as much with a locked down computer. Their productivity is lower. Their creativity is lower. It is not a fair comparison when that cost is ignored. Locking down a community machine is expected. Doing anything else is ridiculous. I might like my desktop one way, you another, somebody else, etc. The purpose of the machines might be to provide some limited means of providing editing and printing. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly My reality check just bounced * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro problems
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 7:26 PM, Christopher Range lcms0...@comcast.netwrote: On 12/16/2009 11:29 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: According to M$ you need to have installed either SP1a or SP2 before installing SP3 on XP. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322389 To make life easier I downloaded SP2 and SP3 and burned them to a single CD along with decrappifier. It is nice having all that stuff in one place when it is time to reinstall. It certainly sounds more logical, to do them(SP2 n' SP3) in succession, instead of bundled. I definitely like the CD suggestion. It also allows me to not connect to the internet until I have a more current machine. I do wish M$ did roll ups every so often to allow quicker restores after the last SP. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Windows registry nuisance
I agreed more in the early days when the registry was such a pita. But I see the reasoning behind it. Programs need a common area to communicate with each other. I dunno. Like I said, since WinXP the registry really hasn't been something that needs any attention. On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:36 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I keep hoping the M$ will come to its senses and ditch this dangerous registry nuisance, but they keep digging themselves deeper. M$ has a tendency to this. Outlook suffers from the same misguided design with all the user's email stuck into one big PST file. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
