Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: Distracted, cellphone-using, and computer-using drivers are a particular menace to anyone who takes public transportation and who is therefore a pedestrian a lot of the time. For the most part, I see no great distinction between a computer and a cell phone. These days, and with all the latest models being offered, cell phones have morphed into becoming small, portable computers. I am sure that the new iPad will be quite popular with drivers. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: To do that they would have to develop an app for that. Many doctors offices I have been in already use MS tablets with the software etc. to do all this. Quite nice little things, costlier than the Ipad. But they have developed a networkable database type software for it. I have not seen enough of the Ipad to see how this would work in that case. Most of the stuff I have heard this afternoon place it somewhere on a hyper kindle that will have new stiff developed for it. I think the high resolution is the selling point for doctors. Being able to read X-Rays and other imageing on it is the killer ap in a doctors office. Too bad so far it is only a really big iPod Touch which is OK but it ain't a game changer. The bookreader is a color Kindle with higher prices The name iPad was used in a MAD TV parody ad for a feminie hygene product. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35109625/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/ -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Most of the comments I have head about the name is that there must have been all guys in the focus group. Stewart At 08:01 AM 1/28/2010, you wrote: I think the high resolution is the selling point for doctors. Being able to read X-Rays and other imageing on it is the killer ap in a doctors office. Too bad so far it is only a really big iPod Touch which is OK but it ain't a game changer. The bookreader is a color Kindle with higher prices The name iPad was used in a MAD TV parody ad for a feminie hygene product. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35109625/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/ -- John Duncan Yoyo Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Most of the comments I have head about the name is that there must have been all guys in the focus group. Of course. I would suspect that to be a given. And all white, Type A guys as well. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
On Jan 27, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: Re-reading this, does the filename include the quotes? No quotes. The file name is Icon\015 or Icon\r or Icon^M without the quotes depending on how you like to handle escapes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Too bad so far it is only a really big iPod Touch which is OK but it ain't a game changer. The bookreader is a color Kindle with higher prices And without digital ink. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Michael Fernando wrote: 1) move everything else out of that directory. cd .. \rm -rf that directory name The dir was already empty, except this one file. On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Michael Fernando wrote: 2) I'm not sure if OSX comes with emacs, but I've used emacs' directory mode to delete files with funny characters in the filenames. That looked so promising, emacs listed the file and its doppelganger ._Icon\015, let me marl them with d and when I hit x no joy. 2 of 2 deletions failed file-error removing old name no such file or directory... I tried deleting the dir, but it won't 'cause the dir ain't empty. On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Michael Fernando wrote: 3) (yeah, three is more than a couple ...) Perhaps, a different shell may have better filename completion? Does OSX have tcsh? start tcsh; then \rm -f Icotab and see if it completes the filename with the proper escape character? Tried tsch. Same result. On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Michael Fernando wrote: Uh ... why can't you use the Finder window to navigate to the file and drag it to Trash? It won't let me delete the dir because a file is in use. If I try to delete the file there is a long pause followed by file is in use. Dragging into trash looks to work, but close and open the dir and there it is again. Sometimes when I click in the file icon it vanishes. have to close reopen the dir to see it. Icon view says the dir has zero items. List view shows 1 (and sometimes none). If I try to rename the file I get error -41 -- File system: Memory full (open) or file won't fit (load) That's why I'm working at the command line. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
Problem solved. I mounted the drive on XP. Windows was perfectly fine with blowing away the whole directory without regard to contents. So Windows is actually good for something. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/the-apple-ipad-first-impressions/ Pogue advises... My main message to fanboys is this: it’s too early to draw any conclusions. Apple hasn’t given the thing to any reviewers yet, there are no iPad-only apps yet (there will be), the e-bookstore hasn’t gone online yet, and so on. So hyperventilating is not yet the appropriate reaction. At the same time, the bashers should be careful, too. As we enter Phase 2, remember how silly you all looked when you all predicted the iPhone’s demise in that period before it went on sale. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
Another option would be to open a terminal. cd to the direcory where the file resides. use the rm command and type the first few letters of the filename and press the tab key to let the shell complete the filename. If there are multiple similar filenames, you may have to remember to use multiple \'s to escape special characters. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:22:20AM -0500, tjpa wrote: On Jan 27, 2010, at 6:04 PM, Wayne Dernoncourt wrote: Re-reading this, does the filename include the quotes? No quotes. The file name is Icon\015 or Icon\r or Icon^M without the quotes depending on how you like to handle escapes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
He gets paid for this? On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:23 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/the-apple-ipad-first-impressions/ Pogue advises... My main message to fanboys is this: it’s too early to draw any conclusions. Apple hasn’t given the thing to any reviewers yet, there are no iPad-only apps yet (there will be), the e-bookstore hasn’t gone online yet, and so on. So hyperventilating is not yet the appropriate reaction. At the same time, the bashers should be careful, too. As we enter Phase 2, remember how silly you all looked when you all predicted the iPhone’s demise in that period before it went on sale. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
These are good suggestions, and OS X does have a built in emacs, just type in emacs in Terminal. If you haven't used it before, it is important to remember that you have to type ^x^c (x and c with the control key held down) to exit emacs. However, sidestepping the more technical unix hacks for the moment, what happens if you just try to change permissions for the file using the Sharing and Permissions section of the Get info window? What are the current owners and permissions for the file and for its parent folder? Getting back to the command line, one thing that occurs to me is that you may not have the name exactly right (the uppercase i might be a lower case L or there may be a space in the name that you're not seeing, for example. To avoid this, in terminal, type rm -i with a space after the -i, then drag the file over the terminal window and the path to the file with the correct name will magically appear, with special characters like \ handled appropriately. Hit the return key, and if the only problem was getting the name right, the file should be deleted. If that doesn't work, try it again using sudo, typing sudo rm -i and proceeding as before, typing your password at the prompt. If you get an error message saying it is a directory, try removing the file as above, but with rm -r in place of rm -i, and if that fails, try this with sudo. From:Michael Fernando michael@gmail.com rm -i Icon\\r rm -i 'Icon\\r' rm -i Icon\r rm -i 'Icon\r' Alas no. Even the dread rm * fails to conquer. A couple of ideas: 1) move everything else out of that directory. cd .. \rm -rf that directory name 2) I'm not sure if OSX comes with emacs, but I've used emacs' directory mode to delete files with funny characters in the filenames. start emacs ^x^v (that's ctrl-x; ctrl-v) and give the directory name (not the file name) You will get a directory listing. move the cursor to the filename, then d for delete Then x for expunge the file marked with d. exit emacs with ^x^c 3) (yeah, three is more than a couple ...) Perhaps, a different shell may have better filename completion? Does OSX have tcsh? start tcsh; then \rm -f Icotab and see if it completes the filename with the proper escape character? Uh ... why can't you use the Finder window to navigate to the file and drag it to Trash? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
Yes, I wasn't thinking about vulnerable pedestrians in the mix. The stakes are considerably higher in the human vs. large, speeding machine context. Good point. But even here I bet there will be a tech solution to preventing car collisions with ANYTHING, humans, animals, trees, ice patches. Even now there are (infrared?) sensors that can pick out warm people on a dark night, warning a driver of their presence. But I agree that at present people should not be using their devices while driving. The New York Times had an article about pedestrians who are getting injured while walking and using electronic devices. One teenager gave himself a concussion by walking head-first into a pole! Safer cars don't do very much for pedestrians, who are no match for drivers on cellphones or computers. Human flesh versus a ton of speeding metal--it's no contest. No many how many safety improvements you put in the car. --Constance Warner * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
It still doesn't do what I want. I was hoping for an Apple notebook, with easy connectivity to my other Macs via Firewire or USB. I bought a Brand X mini notebook a couple of years ago and was disappointed by the keyboard, which was built for Lilliputians, and by a somewhat tortured method of transferring text from one machine to another. From Apple, I wanted a notebook-type device with the fit and finish of a Mac and with easy interconnectivity with other Apple products. I'm not sure how the iPad links with regular [Mac] computers, and I'm disappointed that it doesn't have a USB port--it's very awkward when you have to email large text documents from one computer to another. Sneakernet via flash-drive is a marvel of convenience compared to that. At least you can get a keyboard for it, even if it doesn't have the revolutionary on-screen touchable keyboard it was rumored to have. Oh, well, maybe next year. Since I'm still looking for a job, I don't have the money to buy an expensive auxiliary device right now anyway. --Constance Warner P.S.: and the name iPad is a gift to satirists and comedians everywhere. WHAT were they THINKING??? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
http://gizmodo.com/306370/what-the-hell-is-a-zune-pad $499 for an iPad. Hooha! That is what my original iPod cost. Can it be used easily while driving? Don't need it, but might want something like that one day. I don't like eBooks unless someone is reading to me, i.e. audio books. Eeeeuuuwww! Slimy touch screen. Does it come with display cleaner? Keyboard is extra--a lot extra. [I don't mind the Touch's touch screen because it's small and easy to clean--on my sleeve.] Doesn't fit in my pocket. However the big deal breaker is the Micro SIM. What are they thinking??? This must be an ATT demand so that travelers have to use their expensive international network. iPad users won't be able to use the device in Europe on the 8-20 euro data plans because those SIMS won't fit. Euro iPads using regular SIMS will be able to use our overpriced US networks. Of course, this assumes that the SIM slot isn't sealed. iPhone may also be using the Micro SIM soon; an iPhone with sealed Micro SIM is DOA. Chad? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Yes, people who make sense can get paid. That must infuriate you, Mike! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- He gets paid for this? On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:23 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/the-apple-ipad-first-impressio ns/ Pogue advises... My main message to fanboys is this: it's too early to draw any conclusions. Apple hasn't given the thing to any reviewers yet, there are no iPad-only apps yet (there will be), the e-bookstore hasn't gone online yet, and so on. So hyperventilating is not yet the appropriate reaction. At the same time, the bashers should be careful, too. As we enter Phase 2, remember how silly you all looked when you all predicted the iPhone's demise in that period before it went on sale. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What the Press Knows About Tech
http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2010/01/26/ Why, thank you for parroting my post from yesterday! Apple story starts with the 1/25 comic and continues with today's comic, http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2010/01/28/. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Gizmodo too http://gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad? I have to agree with most of what they say...it is odd it's not widescreen and no HDMI out. My iPod touch doesn't have HDMI, yet I could connect it to our 42 TV to show a video, using the dock connection, composite but not HD. With a dock like the HomeDock HD you can use HDMI and toslink. More clumsy add-ons. While I'm very underwhelmed by the iPad, especially the name [better than iSlate but not much], there will be third party devices very quickly to take advantage of the dock connection. No Flash - have you seen the beta version of HTML 5? It does Flash videos without the Flash player. Unless Adobe can rewrite Flash so that it doesn't suck up all CPU processes, HTML5 could replace it. HTML5 is supported in Safari and Firefox 3.5.x Should have a few built-in slots. No USB is stupid. No memory slot or standard SIM are dealbreakers. My Nokia phone does better. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
(in reference to problem of file having the name Icon\r where \r is actually a carriage return rather than a backslash followed by a lower-case r): What happens if you type ls -al while defaulted to this directory? On 1/28/10, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.com wrote: These are good suggestions, and OS X does have a built in emacs, just type in emacs in Terminal. If you haven't used it before, it is important to remember that you have to type ^x^c (x and c with the control key held down) to exit emacs. However, sidestepping the more technical unix hacks for the moment, what happens if you just try to change permissions for the file using the Sharing and Permissions section of the Get info window? What are the current owners and permissions for the file and for its parent folder? Getting back to the command line, one thing that occurs to me is that you may not have the name exactly right (the uppercase i might be a lower case L or there may be a space in the name that you're not seeing, for example. To avoid this, in terminal, type rm -i with a space after the -i, then drag the file over the terminal window and the path to the file with the correct name will magically appear, with special characters like \ handled appropriately. Hit the return key, and if the only problem was getting the name right, the file should be deleted. If that doesn't work, try it again using sudo, typing sudo rm -i and proceeding as before, typing your password at the prompt. If you get an error message saying it is a directory, try removing the file as above, but with rm -r in place of rm -i, and if that fails, try this with sudo. From:Michael Fernando michael@gmail.com rm -i Icon\\r rm -i 'Icon\\r' rm -i Icon\r rm -i 'Icon\r' Alas no. Even the dread rm * fails to conquer. A couple of ideas: 1) move everything else out of that directory. cd .. \rm -rf that directory name 2) I'm not sure if OSX comes with emacs, but I've used emacs' directory mode to delete files with funny characters in the filenames. start emacs ^x^v (that's ctrl-x; ctrl-v) and give the directory name (not the file name) You will get a directory listing. move the cursor to the filename, then d for delete Then x for expunge the file marked with d. exit emacs with ^x^c 3) (yeah, three is more than a couple ...) Perhaps, a different shell may have better filename completion? Does OSX have tcsh? start tcsh; then \rm -f Icotab and see if it completes the filename with the proper escape character? Uh ... why can't you use the Finder window to navigate to the file and drag it to Trash? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
I know this isn't Windows, but can you _move_ the file via drag/drop to a miscellaneous unused flash drive, and then reformat the flash drive to really kill it? Think out of the box. Maybe the OS (or some invidious hacker) really doesn't want you to remove the file? Fred Holmes At 09:22 AM 1/27/2010, tjpa wrote: I'm stumped. The dear folks from Adobe have produced a file on my Mac (OS X.5) named Icon\r which I can't delete or rename. rm -i * does prompt me with the file name, buy when I reply y it says no such file or directory. Any suggestions for deletion? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
At 12:01 PM 1/28/2010, George Carr wrote: But even here I bet there will be a tech solution to preventing car collisions with ANYTHING, humans, animals, trees, ice patches. Even now there are (infrared?) sensors that can pick out warm people on a dark night, warning a driver of their presence. But I agree that at present people should not be using their devices while driving. Such may be possible as long as some combination of steering, brake, (accelerator) can do the job, but only within the stability limits of the vehicle. If a human, animal, vehicle moves in front of the vehicle too close to stop with brakes, the only option is to swerve, which may not be an option at all if the swerve is into something else. One needs to be observant and slow down if one's mind determines that there is an increased potential for a bad situation to develop. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Small screen?? A 1024 x 768 pixels, 9.7 diagonal screen that you typically are going to view much nearer to your face than you would a laptop or netbook is small? A custom-designed, well-tuned 1 GHz mobile processor is slow? Weren't you one of the people singing the praises of the tegra processor (which tops out at less than 1 GHz, I think), because it supposedly was designed to be more efficient per clock cycle with its integrated processor, graphics, I/O, memory controller? Guess what, the A4 has integrated processor, graphics, I/O, memory controller, and these were designed specifically for the iPad's hardware and software. John Gruber says about the A4: Everyone I spoke to in the press room was raving first and foremost about the speed. None of us could shut up about it. http://www.benzinga.com/102343/apple’s-screaming-fast-a4-processor-–-the-best-mobile-cpu-in-the-world As for the keyboard, according to my calculations the dimensions of the actual screen is roughly 7.7 x 5.8. In landscape, the virtual keyboard would then be about 7.7 wide, which is pretty comparable to the width of the corresponding region (i.e., the letters keys, not the side keys) of my full-sized laptop. So no, not a small keyboard. On Jan 27, 2010, at 8:36 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From:Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Subject: Re: You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed? $499 for an iPad. Hooha! That is what my original iPod cost. I'm confused. Didn't Jobs say that netbooks are stupid because what you get is a slow processor, a small screen, and a small keyboard? So he releases a box with a slow processor, a small screen, and no keyboard? I dunno, I'm having some trouble visualizing what I'd do with this. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
With hdmi you wouldn't need toslink. I feel like this device is trying to do a lot but won't do any of them well. It wants to play movies but its not widescreen because it also wants to be a reader. This reminds me of that joke dell tablet that was just a big cell phone..this really is just a big ipod touch. On Jan 28, 2010 11:32 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Gizmodo too http://gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-that-suck-about-the-ipad? I have to agree ... My iPod touch doesn't have HDMI, yet I could connect it to our 42 TV to show a video, using the dock connection, composite but not HD. With a dock like the HomeDock HD you can use HDMI and toslink. More clumsy add-ons. While I'm very underwhelmed by the iPad, especially the name [better than iSlate but not much], there will be third party devices very quickly to take advantage of the dock connection. No Flash - have you seen the beta version of HTML 5? It does Flash videos without the Flash player. Unless Adobe can rewrite Flash so that it doesn't suck up all CPU processes, HTML5 could replace it. HTML5 is supported in Safari and Firefox 3.5.x Should have a few built-in slots. No USB is stupid. No memory slot or standard SIM are dealbreakers. My Nokia phone does better. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Small screen?? A 1024 x 768 pixels, 9.7 diagonal screen that you typically are going to view much nearer to your face than you would a laptop or netbook is small? You missed the point. Jobs criticized netbooks for their small screens, then released a box with a screen that's as small as most netbooks and smaller than many. I was noting the irony, not complaining about the screen size. Weren't you one of the people singing the praises of the tegra processor Nope. As for the keyboard, according to my calculations the dimensions of the actual screen is roughly 7.7 x 5.8. In landscape, the virtual keyboard would then be about 7.7 wide, which is pretty comparable to the width of the corresponding region (i.e., the letters keys, not the side keys) of my full-sized laptop. So no, not a small keyboard. Again, the point was the irony of Job's earlier statements about netbooks. But you're right, it's not a small keyboard--it's NO keyboard. What it has is a simulation of a keyboard, not an actual keyboard. It's no substitute for the real thing. When that keyboard is on, how much of your document can you see? How much tactile feedback do you get? And, you touch typists, how's that touchscreen keyboard working out for ya? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
With hdmi you wouldn't need toslink. I feel like this device is trying to do a lot but won't do any of them well. [Forgot about HDMI doing AV.] I agree. However, this device reminds us about the most important thing about technology: **NEVER BUY VERSION 1.0** Apple will change the iPad a lot, like it did by adding the speakers and mic to the Touch, and the camera to iMac and Nano--all not v.1.0 features. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
This is something that Tom rails about with software development. Make it right the first time. Why wait? They have rolled out a number of devices already they have a track record. Why not do it right the first time? (A lot of this stuff was said about the Iphone before and now it is many generations better.) Did they think that people would not care? That the lack of these things would not matter? It strikes me a bit disingenuous to try and sell it to folks saying we will make it better later, and then you can buy it again. Stewart At 01:40 PM 1/28/2010, you wrote: [Forgot about HDMI doing AV.] I agree. However, this device reminds us about the most important thing about technology: **NEVER BUY VERSION 1.0** Apple will change the iPad a lot, like it did by adding the speakers and mic to the Touch, and the camera to iMac and Nano--all not v.1.0 features. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:01 PM, George Carr geo...@georgecarrstudio.com wrote: The New York Times had an article about pedestrians who are getting injured while walking and using electronic devices. One teenager gave himself a concussion by walking head-first into a pole! A TV station here in the District of Columbia recently sent a camera team out onto the streets for a couple of hours to get footage of ordinary folks walking around town while talking on or gaping, slack jawed, at the screen on their cell phones. They showed the results on the evening news. A couple of people stumbling and falling down stairs. One colliding with a park bench. One person walking into a tree. A woman walking across a street against the light, causing an oncoming truck to have to brake lest she get run over. Other assorted collisions, accidents or near accidents. Funny, yet also very pathetic. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Right on all counts, Betty. iPad, iDon't. Certainly not this v.1.0. Entertainment is not the first imperative for me when on the road, getting work done is. (Live performance is infinitely better, anyway.) And what a blunder of a dumb name. I'm good with my Nokia and Touch; if I don't haul the laptop, I can always borrow a computer wherever I land. --- On Thu, 1/28/10, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed? To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 12:38 PM Don't need it, but might want something like that one day. I don't like eBooks unless someone is reading to me, i.e. audio books. Eeeeuuuwww! Slimy touch screen. Does it come with display cleaner? Keyboard is extra--a lot extra. [I don't mind the Touch's touch screen because it's small and easy to clean--on my sleeve.] Doesn't fit in my pocket. However the big deal breaker is the Micro SIM. What are they thinking??? This must be an ATT demand so that travelers have to use their expensive international network. iPad users won't be able to use the device in Europe on the 8-20 euro data plans because those SIMS won't fit. Euro iPads using regular SIMS will be able to use our overpriced US networks. Of course, this assumes that the SIM slot isn't sealed. iPhone may also be using the Micro SIM soon; an iPhone with sealed Micro SIM is DOA. Chad? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
I guess it must be something missing in my genes that I don't have the constant urge to yak, yak, yak endlessly. All of the conversations I overhear (not by choice - people seem to find it necessary to babble as loudly as possible while using cellphones, regardless of how personal their conversations are) are about virtually nothing at all. Are people afraid to just be alone and think? Mike phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:01 PM, George Carr geo...@georgecarrstudio.com wrote: The New York Times had an article about pedestrians who are getting injured while walking and using electronic devices. One teenager gave himself a concussion by walking head-first into a pole! A TV station here in the District of Columbia recently sent a camera team out onto the streets for a couple of hours to get footage of ordinary folks walking around town while talking on or gaping, slack jawed, at the screen on their cell phones. They showed the results on the evening news. A couple of people stumbling and falling down stairs. One colliding with a park bench. One person walking into a tree. A woman walking across a street against the light, causing an oncoming truck to have to brake lest she get run over. Other assorted collisions, accidents or near accidents. Funny, yet also very pathetic. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
I think that they were congratulating themselves that in referring to the whole group of products they could just type iP*d instead of (for example) iPod/iTablet if that had been its name. From:Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed? Most of the comments I have head about the name is that there must have been all guys in the focus group. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: I know this isn't Windows, but can you _move_ the file via drag/drop to a miscellaneous unused flash drive, and then reformat the flash drive to really kill it? Alas, it was not on a flash drive. It was on a server. This was a great example of why the world is a better place when there are many OSs to choose from. Thanks to all for their help. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Paul Cannon wrote: Another option would be to open a terminal. cd to the direcory where the file resides. use the rm command and type the first few letters of the filename and press the tab key to let the shell complete the filename. That was the first thing I did. It would autocomplete the file name and then report no such file. Grr! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] UNIX help needed
On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:47 AM, David K Watson wrote: To avoid this, in terminal, type rm -i I did that too. This was a severe case of one hand not knowing what the other was doing. rm -i would prompt me for the file, but after I typed yes if would respond no such file. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Dreamweaver 8 versus MX
In a few hours, I'm going to get rid of some old books, including some Dreamweaver third-party manuals. When I took Dreamweaver courses in the past, I noted some small but really significant differences between versions, so that a manual for Version A would be very misleading if you tried to use it with Version B. So here's my naive question (I haven't looked at Dreamweaver for awhile): would a manual for Dreamweaver 8 be any use at all with the current MX version? I rather think not, but the manuals were top-of-the-line in their day. I really hate buying a whole new book when Big Software Company X comes out with a new version that, like as not, involves only microscopic changes. (But, hey, the shareholders and the executives gotta get paid.) --Constance Warner * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:26 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: No USB is stupid. I have a cable with the iPod dock plug on one end and a USB plug on the other. Why do you think that won't be possible? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:29 PM, chad evans wyatt wrote: And what a blunder of a dumb name. iPod was called dumb too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dreamweaver 8 versus MX
On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Constance Warner wrote: So here's my naive question (I haven't looked at Dreamweaver for awhile): would a manual for Dreamweaver 8 be any use at all with the current MX version? Close enough with the online help filling in the gaps. Whether the differences matter really depends on how you use the product. Should note that MX is 3 versions back, so unsupported. So some of the exciting new features you got are now never mind and no longer supported. E.g. Behaviors. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
On Jan 28, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: You missed the point. Jobs criticized netbooks for their small screens, then released a box with a screen that's as small as most netbooks and smaller than many. I was noting the irony, not complaining about the screen size. You were played. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
On Jan 28, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: It strikes me a bit disingenuous to try and sell it to folks saying we will make it better later, and then you can buy it again. I guess you would be happy if they never shipped, constantly waiting to add one more feature. What they showed is a well-rounded product and well ahead of any other product of this type. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Dreamweaver version correction
Oops, I meant Dreamweaver CS3. The Dreamweaver 8 books are probably about as much use with CS3 as stone knives and bearskins, but it would be nice to verify my intuition in this respect. On the other hand, they might be of some use. --Constance * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Not to be too delicate about it, but for any adolescent or adult woman, something named iPad inspires, at best, discreet laughter. (Not to mention a mental picture you'd rather not contemplate.) Sorry about that, guys. Maybe they can extensively modify version 2.0 and call it something else. On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:12 PM, tjpa wrote: On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:29 PM, chad evans wyatt wrote: And what a blunder of a dumb name. iPod was called dumb too. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: Not to be too delicate about it, but for any adolescent or adult woman, something named iPad inspires, at best, discreet laughter. (Not to mention a mental picture you'd rather not contemplate.) Sorry about that, guys. Apple has chosen an indelicate name for this device. Bad on them. On the same tangent, I am still trying to find out what the i part of their various names is supposed to refer to. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Quoting Constance Warner cawar...@his.com: Not to be too delicate about it, but for any adolescent or adult woman, something named iPad inspires, at best, discreet laughter. (Not to mention a mental picture you'd rather not contemplate.) Sorry about that, guys. Maybe they can extensively modify version 2.0 and call it something else. How about iPon * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dreamweaver version correction
Thanks. There used to be a joke that the world was sinking under the weight of old National Geographics. Now, I think it's old computer books. On Jan 28, 2010, at 6:09 PM, tjpa wrote: On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Constance Warner wrote: Oops, I meant Dreamweaver CS3. The Dreamweaver 8 books are probably about as much use with CS3 as stone knives and bearskins, but it would be nice to verify my intuition in this respect. Well that's v8 vs v9. Not a huge jump either. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Constance Warner wrote: Not to be too delicate about it, but for any adolescent or adult woman, something named iPad inspires, at best, discreet laughter. (Not to mention a mental picture you'd rather not contemplate.) Sorry about that, guys. That's taking a long reach to find offense. Do you refuse to use Window's Notepad? Or protest Office Depot's sale of the same name item? Never bought a mouse pad? Do you recoil in horror at keypads? Or refuse to touch a trackpad? Won't draw on a graphics pad? Do you avert you eyes from NASA's launch pads? Won't fly from a helipad? Eschew elbow and knee pads? Reject jackets with shoulder pads? Won't play a drum pad? Never watch Poker After Dark? I don't believe it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Ban mobile computing
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Mike Sloane mikeslo...@verizon.net wrote: I guess it must be something missing in my genes that I don't have the constant urge to yak, yak, yak endlessly. All of the conversations I overhear (not by choice - people seem to find it necessary to babble as loudly as possible while using cellphones, regardless of how personal their conversations are) are about virtually nothing at all. Are people afraid to just be alone and think? I know quite a number of people who definitely get nervous if their cell phone has not rung in the last 10 or 15 minutes with a call or text message. These folks will stop whatever they are doing and pick up their cell phone, seemingly worried that the battery may have died or that they just did not hear it ring. This will go on all day long, and over time, it becomes very apparent that these individuals have anxiety attacks when periods of no contact occur. I have even brought this habit to the attention of a few of these folks and they have all admitted that they are, in their own words, addicted to their cell phones. A couple of these folks initially denied such an addiction, but over time, and being in close contact with those folks, they finally had to admit to their almost slavish relationship with their phones. Don't think for a minute that the cell phone industry does not fully understand this addiction thing and use it to their advantage. As to the overly loud talking, there is no doubt about that. What also amuses me is that these newer, very thin phones can let you hear both sides of the conversation very easily. There is just not sufficient mass to these phones to prevent the sound from the speaker from radiating out the rear of the device, thus enabling it to be heard by anyone within earshot. On many occasions I have heard both sides of conversations, including some that I wish I had not heard. I have often informed some of these people of this fact, sometimes to their chagrin. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Quoting phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com: On the same tangent, I am still trying to find out what the i part of their various names is supposed to refer to. My guess would be iNternet, but what do iKnow. What was the first iName anyway? iMac? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com: On the same tangent, I am still trying to find out what the i part of their various names is supposed to refer to. My guess would be iNternet, but what do iKnow. What was the first iName anyway? iMac? I suspect that Apple took the i thing from the high-end automotive industry. A number of years ago, BMW and one or two other makers of very costly, posh and status symbol cars began placing an i before or at the end the model number of the car. The i was in reference to injection, as in fuel injection. Of course, there is no fuel injection involved in the operation of computing devices as far as I know, but there is some smugness and snobbishness in the computing world as in the car world. The automotive world caused the letter i to become equated with luxury and expensiveness and status when coupled with a car name or model number, and that equation stuck with much of the public. Perhaps Apple decided that was a good way to go as far as marketing was concerned, so they decided to use the letter i in a similar fashion although it actually held no meaning whatsoever. Of course, this is all just a guess on my part although after the car industry began this i thing, various companies started doing it, even prior to Apple getting on board. Today there are many companies that tack the lower case i to their product names. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dreamweaver version correction
Hey I will take any Dreamweaver 8 books you got. Stewart At 04:14 PM 1/28/2010, you wrote: Oops, I meant Dreamweaver CS3. The Dreamweaver 8 books are probably about as much use with CS3 as stone knives and bearskins, but it would be nice to verify my intuition in this respect. On the other hand, they might be of some use. --Constance * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
On the last part we will have to disagree. As I type this on my netbook, with a video out, 3 USB ports, and a SD card reader built in. (6 hours battery with wifi.) Stewart At 04:10 PM 1/28/2010, you wrote: I guess you would be happy if they never shipped, constantly waiting to add one more feature. What they showed is a well-rounded product and well ahead of any other product of this type. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
When I lived in Canada the ladies did not refer to them as pads but napkins. The cloth or paper type you used for eating were called serviettes. So only in America will this name be funny. Also note I heard an interview with the pair who coined the name Ipad with the skit that combined the then Ipod/feminine napkin commercials 5 years ago on MADTV. He is thinking about asking for royalties. :-) Stewart At 04:38 PM 1/28/2010, you wrote: Not to be too delicate about it, but for any adolescent or adult woman, something named iPad inspires, at best, discreet laughter. (Not to mention a mental picture you'd rather not contemplate.) Sorry about that, guys. Maybe they can extensively modify version 2.0 and call it something else. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Don't be silly. All the items you cite are paired with something other than a single letter. Launch pad, note pad, lily pad, crash pad, etc. pair the word with SOMETHING ELSE that is the DOMINANT word of the pair, and that immediately offers to the reader the image of something beyond feminine sanitary supplies. iPad emphasises the word in a way the others don't--you have poor naked little pad with only the lower-case i to escort it. And while I admire Apple and use their products, the heavy promotion of their products--with rather simple-minded names--can be both annoying and amusing. To see them so badly misnaming a product inspires amusement and pity, not offense. I don't understand how their marketing department could have let them down so badly, especially with a well-known skit on Mad TV to inform them on the perils of such a choice of names. I want Apple to stay in business; making stupid mistakes like that does not improve their chances of survival. On Jan 28, 2010, at 7:28 PM, tjpa wrote: On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Constance Warner wrote: Not to be too delicate about it, but for any adolescent or adult woman, something named iPad inspires, at best, discreet laughter. (Not to mention a mental picture you'd rather not contemplate.) Sorry about that, guys. That's taking a long reach to find offense. Do you refuse to use Window's Notepad? Or protest Office Depot's sale of the same name item? Never bought a mouse pad? Do you recoil in horror at keypads? Or refuse to touch a trackpad? Won't draw on a graphics pad? Do you avert you eyes from NASA's launch pads? Won't fly from a helipad? Eschew elbow and knee pads? Reject jackets with shoulder pads? Won't play a drum pad? Never watch Poker After Dark? I don't believe it. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
I don't understand how their marketing department could have let them
down so badly,
From Wikipedia, that well-known source of sometimes (not always)
misleading information:
Apple declared the 'i' in iMac to stand for Internet; it also represented
the product's focus as a personal device ('i' for individual).
We also have the Thinkpad, from IBM, a fine personal computing
device if a little dated. Nobody was thinking about feminine hygiene when
they named that bad boy. Think was IBM's motto.
i think Apple is just hung up on sticking an i in front of whatever they
make. Maybe they should have called it a Macpad.
A new improved model could be called a Maxipad.
:-)
From Wikipedia,
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From: Constance Warner cawar...@his.com
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Don't be silly. All the items you cite are paired with something other
than a single letter. Launch pad, note pad, lily pad, crash pad, etc.
pair the word with SOMETHING ELSE that is the DOMINANT word of the pair,
and that immediately offers to the reader the image of something beyond
feminine sanitary supplies. iPad emphasises the word in a way the
others don't--you have poor naked little pad with only the lower-case
i to escort it. And while I admire Apple and use their products, the
heavy promotion of their products--with rather simple-minded names--can
be both annoying and amusing. To see them so badly misnaming a product
inspires amusement and pity, not offense.
I don't understand how their marketing department could have let them
down so badly, especially with a well-known skit on Mad TV to inform them
on the perils of such a choice of names. I want Apple to stay in
business; making stupid mistakes like that does not improve their chances
of survival.
On Jan 28, 2010, at 7:28 PM, tjpa wrote:
On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Constance Warner wrote:
Not to be too delicate about it, but for any adolescent or adult woman,
something named iPad inspires, at best, discreet laughter. (Not to
mention a mental picture you'd rather not contemplate.) Sorry about
that, guys.
That's taking a long reach to find offense.
Do you refuse to use Window's Notepad? Or protest Office Depot's sale of
the same name item? Never bought a mouse pad? Do you recoil in horror at
keypads? Or refuse to touch a trackpad? Won't draw on a graphics pad? Do
you avert you eyes from NASA's launch pads? Won't fly from a helipad?
Eschew elbow and knee pads? Reject jackets with shoulder pads? Won't
play a drum pad? Never watch Poker After Dark?
I don't believe it.
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Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Then it might sprout wings! :-)
Stewart
At 09:04 PM 1/28/2010, you wrote:
I don't understand how their marketing department could have let
them down so badly,
From Wikipedia, that well-known source of sometimes (not always)
misleading information:
Apple declared the 'i' in iMac to stand for Internet; it also
represented the product's focus as a personal device ('i' for individual).
We also have the Thinkpad, from IBM, a fine personal computing
device if a little dated. Nobody was thinking about feminine
hygiene when they named that bad boy. Think was IBM's motto.
i think Apple is just hung up on sticking an i in front of whatever they
make. Maybe they should have called it a Macpad.
A new improved model could be called a Maxipad.
:-)
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Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: I don't understand how their marketing department could have let them down so badly, especially with a well-known skit on Mad TV to inform them on the perils of such a choice of names. I want Apple to stay in business; making stupid mistakes like that does not improve their chances of survival. It is possible that this new device just unveiled may fail to meet Apple's own expectations as well as those of their prospective customers. A lot of folks are saying, After all the hype, this is it? Time will tell. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Eric S. Sande esa...@verizon.net wrote: A new improved model could be called a Maxipad. Now, that's a really good one! Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
For Tom and the rest of the guys out there who are having hiccups understanding the vibe of the term iPad, check this out on You Tube. As I said, dumb name. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx1g_sOKHl4 --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: From: Constance Warner cawar...@his.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed? To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 5:38 PM Not to be too delicate about it, but for any adolescent or adult woman, something named iPad inspires, at best, discreet laughter. (Not to mention a mental picture you'd rather not contemplate.) Sorry about that, guys. Maybe they can extensively modify version 2.0 and call it something else. On Jan 28, 2010, at 5:12 PM, tjpa wrote: On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:29 PM, chad evans wyatt wrote: And what a blunder of a dumb name. iPod was called dumb too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
It's simple: try this i (can), etc. The idea of Mac always was computing for the rest of us. Simple, and works. --- On Thu, 1/28/10, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: From: phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed? To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 7:06 PM On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: Not to be too delicate about it, but for any adolescent or adult woman, something named iPad inspires, at best, discreet laughter. (Not to mention a mental picture you'd rather not contemplate.) Sorry about that, guys. Apple has chosen an indelicate name for this device. Bad on them. On the same tangent, I am still trying to find out what the i part of their various names is supposed to refer to. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Dreamweaver version correction
My co-admin recently got a new computer, forcing me yet again to recommend a solution for him to manage his legacy html website. two years ago I recommended Dreamweaver as the only game in town, but these days I'm really doubting that's the case. I understand for some high-end coders DW might be great. But for people that just want to manage some content in a modern CMS, it's virtually useless. Alas, his old website is thousands of pages of variations of one starter Frontpage page his old host gave him. Until I can find a way to import the site to CMS, I think we're stuck with it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 10:36 PM, chad evans wyatt cewyattph...@yahoo.com wrote: It's simple: try this i (can), etc. The idea of Mac always was computing for the rest of us. Simple, and works. It's simple: try this i (change), etc. The idea of Obama always was government for the rest of us. Too simple, and isn't working. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
