Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Well of course anyone who runs for president can't be fully sane. Who in their right mind would want that job? I'm not a Bill Gates fan, but I have to admit, he had it right in some aspects. Make billions, deal with some s...tuff and then get the hell out. I'll bet he's glad he's not the president today. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Feb 28, 2010, at 11:34 PM, mike wrote: It also got Obama elected. That soft middle keeps thinking they are getting someone sane and they keep getting the rug pulled from them. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: I think you put to much faith on that soft middle. After all, it got the last Bush elected 1 1/2 times. And look at the nut he turned out to be. Iraq, with Cheney blowing in his ear being one of his nuttier, aids vaccinations to Africa and NASA being his few lucid moments. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Only if you look at it that way It was also proscriptive. Stewart At 12:07 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: On Feb 28, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: So regulation is both a good thing and a bad thing depending on how it is done. Lest we forget, the Ten Commandments is regulation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Not yet but it can. One of the articles I read is that the more the manufacturers control the user environment the more cases we will have like the Kindle. Stewart At 12:14 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Apple isn't ensnared, they are doing this themselves. Apple is bar far the most controlling tech company out there, controlling their customers, controlling themselves.. That's silly. Ridiculous. Apple doesn't control their customers. They provide products that people like, and if there's something else customers want, they can go to third parties. Or they can go into the OS and make changes themselves, like I do. Or upgrade hardware. Or use a different OS--on their Macs, or jailbreak iPhones. The main thing that Apple controls is leaks by employees that could reveal new product ideas to competitors. Any good company does that. Why do you think that Apple is so controlling? They don't make users' computers phone the Mother Ship to rat on users like M$ does. Does the App Store delete purchases from iPhones like Amazon did with the Kindle? What Apple is doing with the iTunes App Store is selling what they want in their own store. If you want something else, go to Cydia. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Most people do not know how much health care really costs. They pay a reduced rate subsidized by the company. I see the exact amount my employer pays for the insurance and I try and keep the costs down. I even took my son off of my plan because I could buy his insurance cheaper through the government for him. But it also costs my employer more to provide me insurance than it costs my sons (US ARMY) to provide the same insurance. Last year I looked up what my insurance paid out in benefits, and it was less than what I paid out in co-pays, and deductibles. It also was a far cry from what my employer paid out in premiums. So who won? Our health plan is really self insured with an outside company doing the processing (which most plans are by the way.) Who wins? Stewart At 12:45 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: How about the health care bill? Unions got a sweetheart deal to be free from the higher taxes of the more expensive health plans thus screwing would be smaller businesses wanting to give their employees good plans. In general, do you really think all the lobbying by multinational/multibillion dollar corporations helps them or helps small business? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
Sprouts I think = Whole Foods CEO. In most countries that have universal health care or universal coverage (there are huge differences on what that means by the way) There is tort reform. We are one of the few countries where our law system resembles the wild west in health care. It is one of the privileges we get or our current type of health system. Stewart At 01:14 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Haven't heard that argument or of Sprouts? But paying for our own health care? What a concept! But in reality, due to the insurance industry, that's become an impossibility with the exception of dealing with a few scrapes a bruises or just ignoring any health concerns in hope they'll go away. And I'm sure you're not one of those uneducated who will bring up the lack of tort reform as a reason for high insurance costs. Anyway, back to the uncles ideas. If people would get off their butts and walk 30 minutes a day they'd probably not need the majority of the health care they think they need today. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 11:28 PM 2/28/2010, Jeff Miles wrote: How long has that taken? Legality is one thing, changing a mindset is something completely different. When you try to change a mindset you often run up against facts. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The problem with regulation is that the regulators are humans just like the regulated. They are as corrupt and as incompetent as the regulated. Moreover, there is no good way to judge the performance of the regulators, so they tend to stay in the job forever, protected by civil service rules. Judging the regulators by the number of cases brought and/or won just leads to additional corruption. To get promoted, the regulators must have wins, so they create some. And then regulation bring rules such as the Delaney clause which requires that suspected carcinogens must be eliminated from products down to infinitesimal levels of presence, no matter how much good the product is doing nor how costly the elimination is. There is no presentation of the science to the user and allowing the user to decide his own risk tolerance. Fred Holmes At 08:34 PM 2/28/2010, tjpa wrote: On Feb 28, 2010, at 8:10 PM, mike wrote: It's frightening to think there are some out there who believe all regulation is inherently good. No body wrote that. There are certainly a percent or two of regulations that are not beneficial. Those will, of course, be the only regulations that the neocons will want to talk about. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:14 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: What Apple is doing with the iTunes App Store is selling what they want in their own store. If you want something else, go to Cydia. Yes, Apple does not want to be associated with the dissemination of products that they construe to be potentially associated with pornography under the laws of the United States. That is a legal and/or moral position that they have taken. Apple does not want such products to be able to operate on their devices that employ their operating system, thus they have decided to ban such applications from their store. Apple is making some mistakes in how they are implementing this ban, in some cases allowing major players to slide by while banning the minors even though their content may be far less objectionable. In this arena, Apple appears to have fallen into step with the uber-conservative mindset, and many feel that such a stance runs counter to the concept that Apple has traditionally adhered to, that being something for the rest of us. Maybe there is no rest of us anymore, or at least not in a form that dares to be in the public eye. Seen any big war protests lately? Maybe 9/11 has changed us more than we have fully realized. Maybe McCarthyism is making a comeback as many are saying, and you are either with us or against us as a recent President intoned as an implied warning. With technology being what it is today, a lot of folks are claiming that Apple could have taken a different approach to this issue of applications. Perhaps so, but Apple decided to go with the blunt force method which usually works pretty damn well, objectionable as it may be to many. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 01:07 AM 3/1/2010, t.piwowar wrote: Lest we forget, the Ten Commandments is regulation. But, at least in this case, the regulator is divine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The law that was cited by the guy that drove his airplane into the IRS building in Austin, Texas. At 01:23 AM 3/1/2010, b_s-wilk wrote: Examples please. Except sometimes the regulation is used to do the screwing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 02:14 AM 3/1/2010, Jeff Miles wrote: And I'm sure you're not one of those uneducated who will bring up the lack of tort reform as a reason for high insurance costs. So how much does liability insurance / damage claims add to the cost of healthcare? As a percentage of overall costs? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yes the regulator is divine but people often have the wrong view of the 10 commandments. They were also prescriptive telling the Israelites how they were to live with one another and the nations that surround them. Taken out of context they simply become a set of rules. (Such as the bumper stickers down here, live the 10 commandments.) Instead they were a covenant between a people and a king (they follow the other covenantal models of its time.) describing how the people were to interact and live. It was both prescriptive and proscriptive. (In other words not just one sided.) Stewart At 07:22 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: At 01:07 AM 3/1/2010, t.piwowar wrote: Lest we forget, the Ten Commandments is regulation. But, at least in this case, the regulator is divine. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Enough to make a difference in cost and practice. Stewart At 07:32 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: At 02:14 AM 3/1/2010, Jeff Miles wrote: And I'm sure you're not one of those uneducated who will bring up the lack of tort reform as a reason for high insurance costs. So how much does liability insurance / damage claims add to the cost of healthcare? As a percentage of overall costs? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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A friend of mine who was an OB in Pennsylvania said the insurance was so bad he moved to another state. Imagine the costs of starting or buying a new practice and you can think of what the insurance must cost to make it worth doing. Those costs get passed on. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Enough to make a difference in cost and practice. Stewart At 07:32 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: At 02:14 AM 3/1/2010, Jeff Miles wrote: And I'm sure you're not one of those uneducated who will bring up the lack of tort reform as a reason for high insurance costs. So how much does liability insurance / damage claims add to the cost of healthcare? As a percentage of overall costs? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I'm just waiting for the biggest source of pron to be eliminated on the iPhone- The Safari Browser. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:16 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:14 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: What Apple is doing with the iTunes App Store is selling what they want in their own store. If you want something else, go to Cydia. Yes, Apple does not want to be associated with the dissemination of products that they construe to be potentially associated with pornography under the laws of the United States. That is a legal and/or moral position that they have taken. Apple does not want such products to be able to operate on their devices that employ their operating system, thus they have decided to ban such applications from their store. Apple is making some mistakes in how they are implementing this ban, in some cases allowing major players to slide by while banning the minors even though their content may be far less objectionable. In this arena, Apple appears to have fallen into step with the uber-conservative mindset, and many feel that such a stance runs counter to the concept that Apple has traditionally adhered to, that being something for the rest of us. Maybe there is no rest of us anymore, or at least not in a form that dares to be in the public eye. Seen any big war protests lately? Maybe 9/11 has changed us more than we have fully realized. Maybe McCarthyism is making a comeback as many are saying, and you are either with us or against us as a recent President intoned as an implied warning. With technology being what it is today, a lot of folks are claiming that Apple could have taken a different approach to this issue of applications. Perhaps so, but Apple decided to go with the blunt force method which usually works pretty damn well, objectionable as it may be to many. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
My youngest talks of the cars he would like to own, and given the right circumstances could pay for. (He is in college, but also the national guard bringing in a regular income.) Every car he would like to own, would be affordable except for insurance. He could pay for the car, but the insurance would bankrupt him. (Or in this case me.) So it always lurks there in the background. Over the past few years we have dropped the number of full time clergy. Largest reason cited why a church no longer has a full time pastor? Cant afford the insurance benefits. Stewart At 08:07 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: A friend of mine who was an OB in Pennsylvania said the insurance was so bad he moved to another state. Imagine the costs of starting or buying a new practice and you can think of what the insurance must cost to make it worth doing. Those costs get passed on. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yeah, but how **significant** a difference? Quantitative measure is what I'm looking for. Surely some think tank has run the numbers? Fred Holmes At 08:44 AM 3/1/2010, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Enough to make a difference in cost and practice. Stewart At 07:32 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: At 02:14 AM 3/1/2010, Jeff Miles wrote: And I'm sure you're not one of those uneducated who will bring up the lack of tort reform as a reason for high insurance costs. So how much does liability insurance / damage claims add to the cost of healthcare? As a percentage of overall costs? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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That's not true. The sweetheart deal wasn't one, and never happened. It's not in the bill. Ideas are discussed as part of the process of writing legislation. Many of those never make it to law. The Republican Supreme Court decided that lobbying by huge corporations is great, and just made it easier. That's not good for small businesses or individuals. Bet you're glad you voted for corporate excesses to be enhanced. Give a real example, not a fantasy. How about the health care bill? Unions got a sweetheart deal to be free from the higher taxes of the more expensive health plans thus screwing would be smaller businesses wanting to give their employees good plans. In general, do you really think all the lobbying by multinational/multibillion dollar corporations helps them or helps small business? On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:23 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Examples please. Except sometimes the regulation is used to do the screwing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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mike escribió: And the Constitution is a specific lack of regulation. Madison didn't even want a bill of rights for fear it would weaken the individual by enumerating specific rights, thus perhaps conversely weakening the power of citizens by the absence of other rights. Hardly. The existence of a Constitution, is the existence of regulation. The Constitution defines the legal structure of our government, with guidelines defining the kinds of laws that enforce restrictions and regulations. What you're defining is anarchy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Try reading it. It's strength is it's lack of regulation on the *people* and regulation on the government. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:16 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: mike escribió: And the Constitution is a specific lack of regulation. Madison didn't even want a bill of rights for fear it would weaken the individual by enumerating specific rights, thus perhaps conversely weakening the power of citizens by the absence of other rights. Hardly. The existence of a Constitution, is the existence of regulation. The Constitution defines the legal structure of our government, with guidelines defining the kinds of laws that enforce restrictions and regulations. What you're defining is anarchy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You know how I vote? Wow. You complain about lobbying by huge corporations, I didn't like the ruling either but the problem is we have other interests already doing the same things and worse. Ever watch MSNBC? It's an arm for Obama, plain and simple. Ever watch Fox? It's an arm for the conservatives...why should GE or Fox be aloud to spew (think Olbermann/Mathews/Hannity) their 'opinions' laden ever so lightly with so called facts every night and then you cry about this SC decision. You think this is a 'republican' decision but it also affects unions and other left wing organizations. It affects companies like GE whose CEO is advising Obama, not exactly a conservative guy. Why people think corporations are 'conservative' is beyond me. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:17 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: That's not true. The sweetheart deal wasn't one, and never happened. It's not in the bill. Ideas are discussed as part of the process of writing legislation. Many of those never make it to law. The Republican Supreme Court decided that lobbying by huge corporations is great, and just made it easier. That's not good for small businesses or individuals. Bet you're glad you voted for corporate excesses to be enhanced. Give a real example, not a fantasy. How about the health care bill? Unions got a sweetheart deal to be free from the higher taxes of the more expensive health plans thus screwing would be smaller businesses wanting to give their employees good plans. In general, do you really think all the lobbying by multinational/multibillion dollar corporations helps them or helps small business? On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:23 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Examples please. Except sometimes the regulation is used to do the screwing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The genius of the Ten Commandments--whether intentional or not--is that there are ten proscriptions, and everything else is OK. The Bill of Rights is similar, providing protections, but needed elaboration, hence the current number of Constitutional Amendments to protect the rights of individuals and minorities. For those who aren't familiar with the rest of the commandments, there were actually over 600. We're lucky that K.I.S.S. weeded out most of the noxious ones, mostly from Leviticus. Or Moses got tired of chiseling into stone when he got to ten. Rev. Stewart Marshall escribió: Only if you look at it that way It was also proscriptive. So regulation is both a good thing and a bad thing depending on how it is done. Lest we forget, the Ten Commandments is regulation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Fred Holmes escribió: And I'm sure you're not one of those uneducated who will bring up the lack of tort reform as a reason for high insurance costs. So how much does liability insurance / damage claims add to the cost of healthcare? As a percentage of overall costs? The main problem with high insurance costs for consumers is that medical practitioners are not policing themselves, and states don't police them either until too many patients are harmed. In too many cases, incompetent doctors who maim or kill patients, and bad hospitals, are still in business when they should be shut down and have medical licenses taken away. That could reduce insurance costs for everybody. However, when Republicans talk about tort reform, they want to limit the ability of patients who have been injured due to medical incompetence to have their cases ineligible for hearings or trials. This injures more patients without solving the problem, while also hurting the lawyers who file legitimate cases, in effect, further denying coverage in multiple ways. Tort reform in the US is a euphemism for keeping Democratic lawyers from helping injured patients, solely because they're not Republican. The liability and damage claims as a percentage of overall costs is less than 5%. The biggest health insurance cost to consumers from private for-profit companies is overhead--which is about 2-3% for Medicare, around 10% for private non-profits, and 20-30% for the for-profit companies. The for-profit companies made bad investments and raised premiums to make up for that, too. So tort reform makes minimal difference when compared to having nonprofit health insurance. After all, it's immoral to profit from others' illnesses and misfortunes, so why do many health health insurance executives have multi-million dollar salaries and benefits, and insurance companies have billion dollar profits? That's what causes high premiums, not a trumped up need for tort reform. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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For those who aren't familiar with the rest of the commandments, there were actually over 600. We're lucky that K.I.S.S. weeded out most of the noxious ones, mostly from Leviticus. Or Moses got tired of chiseling into stone when he got to ten. Actually, there were fifteen--three tablets of five each--but Mel Brooks dropped one of them. God has given unto me these fifteen--oy--TEN commandments. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Quoting Fred Holmes f...@his.com: At 01:07 AM 3/1/2010, t.piwowar wrote: Lest we forget, the Ten Commandments is regulation. But, at least in this case, the regulator is divine. You don't need ten. Apparently Two will do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkRYaMiP4K8 Of course, it's Carlin, so. . .enter at your own risk. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 10:45 AM 3/1/2010, b_s-wilk wrote: The genius of the Ten Commandments--whether intentional or not--is that there are ten proscriptions, and everything else is OK. The Bill of Rights is similar, providing protections, but needed elaboration, hence the current number of Constitutional Amendments to protect the rights of individuals and minorities. For those who aren't familiar with the rest of the commandments, there were actually over 600. We're lucky that K.I.S.S. weeded out most of the noxious ones, mostly from Leviticus. Or Moses got tired of chiseling into stone when he got to ten. Now there's a real scholar! Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Fred Holmes escribió: The law that was cited by the guy that drove his airplane into the IRS building in Austin, Texas. The guy was a tax evader. The law he objected to is in common use around the country. If you contract for only one company, you're a de facto employee and subject to withholding. Stack not only objected to withholding, he didn't pay his taxes. He also didn't like the tax exemptions for churches. I don't either, but I don't kill people to make a point. It seems that he hated the Catholic church, but didn't direct his hatred toward other wealthy churches either. Do you have a real example or another nut case like Stack? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mar 1, 2010, at 2:44 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: Actually I'm all for arguing against certain regulation. Try remodeling your house and having a city inspector come by. You'll be all against regulation. I did and the inspectors were wonderful. They did more than inspect, they explained and educated. They made it a point to tell me ahead of time about things that people often got wrong. They dropped hints when they spotted things that were to code, but could have been done better. I was happy to have an extra pair of eyes making sure that my addition was built well. Why are the wing nuts always so supportive of crooked builders and crooked bankers? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 11:18 AM 3/1/2010, b_s-wilk wrote: The main problem with high insurance costs for consumers is that medical practitioners are not policing themselves, and states don't police them either until too many patients are harmed. In too many cases, incompetent doctors who maim or kill patients, and bad hospitals, are still in business when they should be shut down and have medical licenses taken away. That could reduce insurance costs for everybody. This says to me that real-world regulation doesn't work. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:11 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: There is no presentation of the science to the user and allowing the user to decide his own risk tolerance. The wing nuts would have us all assemble out own chemical testing lab and drag it around with us every time we go to the supermarket. I think they call it freedom to poison. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mar 1, 2010, at 7:49 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: It was also proscriptive. Well that is even worse. Who wants a bossy God? I think that other denomination will give me a better deal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You are not too far from the truth. There were two tablets, two copies of the law. One was the peoples the other was the kings. Just like today when you sign a contract there are at least two copies of the documents. Stewart At 10:30 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Actually, there were fifteen--three tablets of five each--but Mel Brooks dropped one of them. God has given unto me these fifteen--oy--TEN commandments. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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1.) Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your strength, with all your mind and with all your soul. 2.) Love you neighbor as yourself. A summation of the two tables of the law. Our duty to God and our Duty to one another. Stewart At 11:03 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Without even watching the video, of course only two will do. Jesus said so. 1. Love thy God. . . 2. Love thy Neighbor. . . Fred Holmes At 11:27 AM 3/1/2010, Reid Katan wrote: You don't need ten. Apparently Two will do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkRYaMiP4K8 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
At 11:18 AM 3/1/2010, b_s-wilk wrote: After all, it's immoral to profit from others' illnesses and misfortunes, so why do many health health insurance executives have multi-million dollar salaries and benefits, and insurance companies have billion dollar profits? Let's do [some of] the math on this one. The other day the CEO of one of the health insurers said before Congress that she received $10M in compensation, something like $1M in salary and $9M in stock options. More or less. Well if it's a major medical insurer, surely it has 10 million policyholders in a country of 300 million citizens. So it cost about $1 per policyholder to pay the CEO compensation package? Even if it were $10, that's not much. And if the CEO makes the organization of that size work well, I would think that she's worth it. Huge enterprises are very difficult to make work well. So the government wants to trade in ten(? or more) insurance companies for one huge organization that covers everybody, and pay the CEO of that how much? Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
There is no regulation. Hospitals are allowed to operate based on state guidelines and review boards. There is no federal guidelines on Hospitals. Just like doctors you have 50 different sets of guidelines out there. Stewart At 10:51 AM 3/1/2010, you wrote: At 11:18 AM 3/1/2010, b_s-wilk wrote: The main problem with high insurance costs for consumers is that medical practitioners are not policing themselves, and states don't police them either until too many patients are harmed. In too many cases, incompetent doctors who maim or kill patients, and bad hospitals, are still in business when they should be shut down and have medical licenses taken away. That could reduce insurance costs for everybody. This says to me that real-world regulation doesn't work. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
Without even watching the video, of course only two will do. Jesus said so. 1. Love thy God. . . 2. Love thy Neighbor. . . Fred Holmes At 11:27 AM 3/1/2010, Reid Katan wrote: You don't need ten. Apparently Two will do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkRYaMiP4K8 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Bootup problem running vista basic sp2
Probably the last 20 times I've booted-15 of those had to use system restore to complete the process. Two of those boots gave a message after going thru system restore, it said it failed and only gave the option to shutdown and it sent this to microsoft. On those failed attempts, it did boot the next time I tried. Here is what i found when i read the info under the View Diagnostic and Repair Details on the final screen: Root cause found patch is preventing the system from starting System restore failed 0x490 time 0 ms system file integrity check failed 0x2 time 595222 ms Every other scan it runs was said to be completed successfully. The other times of boot failure this scan is completed successfully but it always says a patch prevented it from booting properly. This leaves me to think the patches are no good that are downloaded automatically to protect the computer or one of them aren't anyway. Or could the hd be on its last legs? This year it already downloaded ~75 updates and patches and I've had the computer for 2.5 yrs.. What do you think it is and what might i do to remedy it? Terry Kilburg - Independent Reliv International Distributor... kilb...@iowatelecom.net 563-872-3788 CST * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bootup problem running vista basic sp2
Have you checked your Harddrive for errors? Stewart At 01:49 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Probably the last 20 times I've booted-15 of those had to use system restore to complete the process. Two of those boots gave a message after going thru system restore, it said it failed and only gave the option to shutdown and it sent this to microsoft. On those failed attempts, it did boot the next time I tried. Here is what i found when i read the info under the View Diagnostic and Repair Details on the final screen: Root cause found patch is preventing the system from starting System restore failed 0x490 time 0 ms system file integrity check failed 0x2 time 595222 ms Every other scan it runs was said to be completed successfully. The other times of boot failure this scan is completed successfully but it always says a patch prevented it from booting properly. This leaves me to think the patches are no good that are downloaded automatically to protect the computer or one of them aren't anyway. Or could the hd be on its last legs? This year it already downloaded ~75 updates and patches and I've had the computer for 2.5 yrs.. What do you think it is and what might i do to remedy it? Terry Kilburg - Independent Reliv International Distributor... kilb...@iowatelecom.net 563-872-3788 CST * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bootup problem running vista basic sp2
Also try to restore back to a date you believe it was running properly. On Mar 1, 2010 2:03 PM, Terry Kilburg kilb...@iowatelecom.net wrote: Probably the last 20 times I've booted-15 of those had to use system restore to complete the process. Two of those boots gave a message after going thru system restore, it said it failed and only gave the option to shutdown and it sent this to microsoft. On those failed attempts, it did boot the next time I tried. Here is what i found when i read the info under the View Diagnostic and Repair Details on the final screen: Root cause found patch is preventing the system from starting System restore failed 0x490 time 0 ms system file integrity check failed 0x2 time 595222 ms Every other scan it runs was said to be completed successfully. The other times of boot failure this scan is completed successfully but it always says a patch prevented it from booting properly. This leaves me to think the patches are no good that are downloaded automatically to protect the computer or one of them aren't anyway. Or could the hd be on its last legs? This year it already downloaded ~75 updates and patches and I've had the computer for 2.5 yrs.. What do you think it is and what might i do to remedy it? Terry Kilburg - Independent Reliv International Distributor... kilb...@iowatelecom.net 563-872-3788 CST * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
At 10:07 AM 3/1/2010, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: There is no federal guidelines on Hospitals. That isn't true, Stewart. You have overlooked the respective sections of both the US Code, and the CFR, which deal with military hospitals and VA hospitals. Bob I'm on the case, from outer space! OK End * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2716 - Release Date: 03/01/10 07:34:00 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
At 09:35 PM 2/28/2010, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Bob I have no need to convince anyone of what I believe, but when asked I will explain it. Thank you for responding, Stewart. However, I didn't mention the act of convincing others of what [you] believe. I spoke, instead, of attempting to convince others that what you believe (as an article of religious faith, doctrine, or dogma) is, somehow, empirical fact or, to use your word, reality. Those are two very different behaviors. Also note that I believe it to be truth, but am aware that what I believe is truth may not be what others believe. That really isn't what I was talking about. I was, instead, talking about attempting to convince others, whether or not they believed what you believe, that what you believe (again, as an article of religious faith) is, as I said, empirical fact. The word truth, as you use it here, is ambiguous and, arguably, quibbling and equivocating. Truth has empirical and objective connotations, so to use it when you are referring to something out of subjectively-held religious doctrine or dogma, without specifically stating clearly that that's what you're doing, could easily be perceived as misleading. That is, it could easily appear that you are holding out your religious belief as being empirically factual, which, as I pointed out above, simply cannot be the case. Ever. Plus, it reveals how weak your faith is. Any attempt even to suggest, let alone to argue, that some article of religious faith is reality or truth, such that those who don't share your religious views are, nevertheless, bound, empirically, by such article, is insulting to any American who values the free exercise clause of the First Amendment. And if something like that is done by the government, it's a violation of the establishment clause, and it is called, in its hardball forms, theocracy. Like under God, in the pledge of allegiance, and In God We Trust, on our currency. The reality I stated is that people are dual natured. But, you framed this duality as an article of religious faith. Within that particular welter, it cannot be reality, to the extent that reality is what is experienced by people who reject your religious beliefs. And if you're attempting to convince others that your article of faith is empirically real, as opposed to imaginary or subjectively faith-based, then you reveal, as I said previously, how weak your faith is. However, if you want to take your observation out of your religion, and provide some empirical, and objectively-appraisable, evidence of duality, to place it within the welter of, let's say, sociology (I picked that particular discipline because you and I have been here before, Stewart, and I rely upon the definition of sociology that I proposed last time, which was the scientific study of human interaction), then your attempt to convince me, scientifically, of the duality of nature becomes, well, scientific, and, thus, it says nothing at all about your religious faith. Or anyone else's. I cant remember the old axiom but I think it is keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer. That was Michael Corleone (Al Pacino), in The Godfather II, talking to Frank Pentangeli (Michael Vincente Gazzo) about Hyman Roth (Lee Strasberg). Maybe you're more perspicacious than I, but I don't see the application of that saying to this discussion. But you can probably fill entire libraries with books of stuff that I don't see or understand. BTW, Pentangeli's salient remark in the above scene was something like, Your father did BUSINESS with Hyman Roth. Your father RESPECTED Hyman Roth. But your father never TRUSTED Hyman Roth. Bob I'm on the case, from outer space! OK End * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2716 - Release Date: 03/01/10 07:34:00 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
At 05:35 AM 3/1/2010, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Yes the regulator is divine but people often have the wrong view of the 10 commandments. I was about to get to that. They were also prescriptive telling the Israelites how they were to live with one another and the nations that surround them. When the Commandments were delivered, there were no nations surrounding them. The were in the desert for 40 years. Jews in the desert. Oy! Taken out of context they simply become a set of rules. That's right, Stewart. And, since we don't live in a culture that's wandering in the desert for 40 years, they are, when we apply them here, entirely and necessarily out of context. People who are terrified of what other people do in private LOVE to cite this commandment or that in order to give themselves a vote (God's vote, as they claim to see it) which allows them to control the private behavior of others. (Such as the bumper stickers down here, live the 10 commandments.) Which is entirely and insultingly un-American, since (despite the clear respective intents and spirits of the free exercise and establishment clauses) it posits that others should abide by the religious beliefs and practices of the bumper sticker owner, rather than their own, if any. Be careful, here. I didn't mention anybody's rights. Instead they were a covenant between a people and a king I don't recall there being any kings in the desert for 40 years, Stewart. Please refresh my memory. (they follow the other covenantal models of its time.) That's right. The Ten Commandments weren't binding unless everybody got circumcised. Again. describing how the people were to interact and live. Yes. How they were to interact and live so that they didn't wipe each other out while they were still in the desert for 40 years. Moses wanted to keep the interpersonal conflicts to a minimum, until the 40-years-in-the-desert portion of The Exodus was complete, so he proscribed murdering, lying, adultery (and its necessary adjunct, coveting) and theft, just to name the chart-toppers, and he mandated a measure of domestic tranquility by requiring children to give their parents their due. He wanted to keep Judaism alive, so he mandated the Abrahamic understanding of monotheism, which, as all of you already well know, does not permit idols (golden, American, or rock and roll) before You-Know-Who. Well, we aren't in the desert for 40 years anymore, so, except for the clearly ethical prohibitions (murder, theft, lying), which any civilized society needs in order for its members to have any confidence in it, maybe people should be free to decide for themselves how to order their relationships with God, if they believe in Him/Her/It/Them, and the other people they share the planet with. Where is there scriptural support for the notion that the commandments are absolute and eternal? Only people who think they speak for God, and claim to, or claim that they know Him better than the rest of us, make such claims. Only people. Limited, biased, ignorant, stupid, fallible, vain, gullible, egocentric, mortal people. [You can't see it, but my hand is raised here.] If you don't believe in God, then, to you, the Ten Commandments aren't divinely-inspired, in any event, and there exists nothing to prevent you from scrutinizing each one on its merits, or lack thereof, until the cows come home. But if you DO believe in God, then you necessarily believe He gave us (either by Himself, or through Darwinian natural selection) brains with a great deal of cerebral cortex. Blind, dogmatic, and unthinking adherence to a set of 3500 year-old rules is an insult to He who gave us that gift. The very fact of the human brain means, obviously and inarguably (as I see it, anyway), He WANTED us to think. He WANTED us to question and probe. Failure to do so does justice neither to one's Maker, if any, nor to those He made. Bob I'm on the case, from outer space! OK End * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2716 - Release Date: 03/01/10 07:34:00 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
At 10:30 AM 3/1/2010, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Our duty to God and our Duty to one another. There is a multi-billion dollar industry, in organized religion and televangelism, chock-full of people, limited, biased, ignorant, stupid, fallible, vain, gullible, egocentric, mortal people, who claim they know what everybody else's duties both to God and to one's fellow man is, and they know these things better than anyone else. Particularly better than you. Bob I'm on the case, from outer space! OK End * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2716 - Release Date: 03/01/10 07:34:00 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bootup problem running vista basic sp2
On Mar 1, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Have you checked your Harddrive for errors? Yes, run CHKDSK several times until it reports no errors. That is a leading cause of this kind of strangeness. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
Only those hospitals and they are minimal at best. All other hospitals that you or I would normally use have no federal guidelines. Can you get treated at a VA hospital or a military hospital on a routine basis? Also note they have very limited tort options. Stewart At 04:05 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: At 10:07 AM 3/1/2010, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: There is no federal guidelines on Hospitals. That isn't true, Stewart. You have overlooked the respective sections of both the US Code, and the CFR, which deal with military hospitals and VA hospitals. Bob I'm on the case, from outer space! OK End * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2716 - Release Date: 03/01/10 07:34:00 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
On Mar 1, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: Let's do [some of] the math on this one. The other day the CEO of one of the health insurers said before Congress that she received $10M in compensation, something like $1M in salary and $9M in stock options. More or less. Well if it's a major medical insurer, surely it has 10 million policyholders in a country of 300 million citizens. So it cost about $1 per policyholder to pay the CEO compensation package? Even if it were $10, that's not much. And if the CEO makes the organization of that size work well, I would think that she's worth it. Huge enterprises are very difficult to make work well. So the government wants to trade in ten(? or more) insurance companies for one huge organization that covers everybody, and pay the CEO of that how much? Bad math. Government run heath care (here and abroad) has overhead of around 3%. Private insurance companies in the US have overhead of around 30%. That difference is 27% of total premiums. Quite a big chunk of change. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
On Mar 1, 2010, at 2:14 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: Haven't heard that argument or of Sprouts? But paying for our own health care? What a concept! But in reality, due to the insurance industry, that's become an impossibility with the exception of dealing with a few scrapes a bruises or just ignoring any health concerns in hope they'll go away That's right. Most doctors will not even grant you an appointment without a referral from the insurance company. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
At 04:06 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: When the Commandments were delivered, there were no nations surrounding them. The were in the desert for 40 years. Jews in the desert. Oy! Yeah and not even finding oil. :-) (Such as the bumper stickers down here, live the 10 commandments.) Which is entirely and insultingly un-American, since (despite the clear respective intents and spirits of the free exercise and establishment clauses) it posits that others should abide by the religious beliefs and practices of the bumper sticker owner, rather than their own, if any. Note I don't agree with it either as I live under the Gospel and not the law. Such that I am supposed to live under the government and law that is given. As long as it allows me to believe and worship as God has called me. So far that has not been a huge problem. Instead they were a covenant between a people and a king I don't recall there being any kings in the desert for 40 years, Stewart. Please refresh my memory. Bob God was supposed to be there King but they did note even get that right either. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability
They are religious elitists and I would claim that they do know God any better than I do. The one who is supposed to be worshiped and listened to is God. If I am not speaking what God has given us (that is where we put scripture the source and norm, not me) than I am like a clanging gong. Just noise. I see a lot of noise out there. Stewart At 04:07 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: At 10:30 AM 3/1/2010, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Our duty to God and our Duty to one another. There is a multi-billion dollar industry, in organized religion and televangelism, chock-full of people, limited, biased, ignorant, stupid, fallible, vain, gullible, egocentric, mortal people, who claim they know what everybody else's duties both to God and to one's fellow man is, and they know these things better than anyone else. Particularly better than you. Bob I'm on the case, from outer space! OK End * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2716 - Release Date: 03/01/10 07:34:00 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
At 03:59 PM 3/1/2010, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Only those [VA and military] hospitals and they are minimal at best. What do you mean minimal? Do you mean few in number? If so, how many are there, and how do you know? All other hospitals that you or I would normally use have no federal guidelines. I don't normally use any hospital beyond a VA hospital. Can you get treated at a VA hospital or a military hospital on a routine basis? Yes. In fact, I do. Also note they have very limited tort options. What do you mean very limited? Why do you believe the FTCA doesn't provide most claimants with reasonable, if not complete, tort relief? There exists an entire infrastructure within the VA, and a number of outside non-profit orgs, to help people with claims to file them. Bob I'm on the case, from outer space! OK End * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2716 - Release Date: 03/01/10 07:34:00 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
Check out OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan) I think they have the same rates you quote Tom. By the way it is done very similarly to what the insurance plans do down here. They negotiate a set rate with Doctors and Hospitals etc. The biggest difference is that they limit technology. Where we might have 1 CT machine and MRI for 25K they would be 1 CT machine and MRI to 250K. One statistic that has been shown to be true down here, is introduce more technology and doctors use it, plus are encouraged to use it to justify costs of obtaining it. Stewart At 06:13 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Bad math. Government run heath care (here and abroad) has overhead of around 3%. Private insurance companies in the US have overhead of around 30%. That difference is 27% of total premiums. Quite a big chunk of change. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Moderation in all things is good. Stewart I always liked this quotation. Particularly since it means that moderation in following the advice of the quotation is tantamount to permitting excess in all else. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
No I mean minimal regulations. You are one of the lucky few who get to use the VA system. I served 11 years in the reserves and I am not allowed to use the VA system. In order to use the VA you must be eligible and that number is climbing once again after dropping off. It is a very good system over all. My sons companion uses it as he is a DAV (Officially now) My youngest might be able to use it, but they will usually not credit training time for VA eligibility. They have a good compliment of staff and support staff. I have known a few VA chaplains in my time good folks. (I also knew a VA Doc, and again top notch) And because you are using a federal system you are limited on tort options. What you highlighted is a very huge disparity between the normal system most everyone has to use and the federal system that the eligible few get to use. Blessings on the fact that you are eligible to use the VA and do. Some of my memebrs use it and are very pleased. Stewart At 06:23 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: At 03:59 PM 3/1/2010, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Only those [VA and military] hospitals and they are minimal at best. What do you mean minimal? Do you mean few in number? If so, how many are there, and how do you know? All other hospitals that you or I would normally use have no federal guidelines. I don't normally use any hospital beyond a VA hospital. Can you get treated at a VA hospital or a military hospital on a routine basis? Yes. In fact, I do. Also note they have very limited tort options. What do you mean very limited? Why do you believe the FTCA doesn't provide most claimants with reasonable, if not complete, tort relief? There exists an entire infrastructure within the VA, and a number of outside non-profit orgs, to help people with claims to file them. Bob I'm on the case, from outer space! OK End * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2716 - Release Date: 03/01/10 07:34:00 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Co(r)p...
On Mar 1, 2010, at 1:02 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: Because Apple has customers around the world who aren't as sexually repressed as people in the US. Do you think the Apple Store should be selling different apps in different regions? No sex for folks in Texas and kinky perversion for New Yorkers? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
I really much prefer Augustine of Hippos comment. Grant me chastity and continence, but not yet Stewart At 06:25 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Moderation in all things is good. Stewart I always liked this quotation. Particularly since it means that moderation in following the advice of the quotation is tantamount to permitting excess in all else. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
On Mar 1, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: This says to me that real-world regulation doesn't work. No, this says that laissez-faire lack of regulation is a deadly mistake. Worse, instead of fixing the problem, the wing nut solution is to protect the evil doers and take away the injured people's right to compensation. If bad doctors and hospitals were closed down, insurance rates would go down (provided that the insurance companies did not simply pocket the money). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
On Mar 1, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Check out OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan) I think they have the same rates you quote Tom. Ontario does something in addition to limiting crazy high management salaries. They also manage capital expenditures and utilization rates. That leads to further savings. In the USA we have doctors setting up their own CT centers. That leads to too many CT machines, low utilization, and high cost. It also leads to a conflict of interest for their doctor owners. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Ontario's Health Insurance Plan would kill me and several of my friends. I have a rare disease, and my meds run about $30k monthly. I take three meds daily. My friend Cindy Waters-Goodman is losing this option because she lives in Ontario. The Globe and Mail has already locked up the story, but (unfortunately) National Review has a good shot at it at http://healthcare.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2ZjMTk2NDllN2Y5MTMwMTdjOWVkODY3YTM4ZDU2ZGU Briefly, Ontario pays for only one treatment, and if you have private insurance which pays for one, then they pay for none. She needs two. I need three. We need reform. This isn't it. - Original Message - From: Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability] Check out OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan) I think they have the same rates you quote Tom. By the way it is done very similarly to what the insurance plans do down here. They negotiate a set rate with Doctors and Hospitals etc. The biggest difference is that they limit technology. Where we might have 1 CT machine and MRI for 25K they would be 1 CT machine and MRI to 250K. One statistic that has been shown to be true down here, is introduce more technology and doctors use it, plus are encouraged to use it to justify costs of obtaining it. Stewart At 06:13 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Bad math. Government run heath care (here and abroad) has overhead of around 3%. Private insurance companies in the US have overhead of around 30%. That difference is 27% of total premiums. Quite a big chunk of change. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Where I live in South East Alabama, there are at least 4 MRI and CT machines serving a population of 100K. That also may be a little under as some doctor groups may have their own machines. My in-laws live in Northern Ontario. They need to travel a minimum of 60 miles and possibly 90 miles to get to their closet MRI/CT machines to serve a similar population. When I lived in North Central Wisconsin it was similar. But since that time these machines have sprung up all over the place. Stewart At 07:32 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Ontario does something in addition to limiting crazy high management salaries. They also manage capital expenditures and utilization rates. That leads to further savings. In the USA we have doctors setting up their own CT centers. That leads to too many CT machines, low utilization, and high cost. It also leads to a conflict of interest for their doctor owners. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I really much prefer Augustine of Hippos comment. Grant me chastity and continence, but not yet Stewart At 06:25 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Moderation in all things is good. Stewart I always liked this quotation. Particularly since it means that moderation in following the advice of the quotation is tantamount to permitting excess in all else. There you go! A man of wisdom, Augustine, I say. Chastity and continence (I assume from the latter word, maybe being similar to the former word: meaning to refrain from sexual intercourse instead of a second meaning of peeing or pooping involuntarily) comes with the development of wisdom for those who actually develop wisdom with age. Lucky is the man (or woman) who gains wisdom before gaining chastity continence. In my opinion, very lucky are those who survive long after developing their chastity and continence. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Ellen Rains Harris wrote: We need reform. This isn't it. I was writing about over supply and low utilization rates. I don't see how you can fairly leap from that to an insurer murdering its customers to save money. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Read the article. Bonnie has already died. - Original Message - From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability] On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Ellen Rains Harris wrote: We need reform. This isn't it. I was writing about over supply and low utilization rates. I don't see how you can fairly leap from that to an insurer murdering its customers to save money. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Ellen I am a little curious. OHIP did not usually cover prescriptions. That was a separate private insurance. Once you became a senior or for other circumstances the provincial Ministry of Health might be the ones who would cover these things. So what I am saying was that it was not OHIP that denied her coverage, but the provincial authorities which did this. Still does not justify it. Stewart At 08:51 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Read the article. Bonnie has already died. - Original Message - From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability] On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Ellen Rains Harris wrote: We need reform. This isn't it. I was writing about over supply and low utilization rates. I don't see how you can fairly leap from that to an insurer murdering its customers to save money. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Stewart, Right, most of us are eligible for disability upon diagnosis of Pulmonary Hypertension, so whatever the Ontario version of Medicare is what they would have been using, and secondly, my treatments aren't pharmaceuticals, but treatments, billed like chemotherapy (except I'll be taking them for the rest of my life). It's more of a case of one size not fitting all. - Original Message - From: Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability] Ellen I am a little curious. OHIP did not usually cover prescriptions. That was a separate private insurance. Once you became a senior or for other circumstances the provincial Ministry of Health might be the ones who would cover these things. So what I am saying was that it was not OHIP that denied her coverage, but the provincial authorities which did this. Still does not justify it. Stewart At 08:51 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Read the article. Bonnie has already died. - Original Message - From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability] On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Ellen Rains Harris wrote: We need reform. This isn't it. I was writing about over supply and low utilization rates. I don't see how you can fairly leap from that to an insurer murdering its customers to save money. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Correct and it never should. Medicine like other fields of science are ever changing fields of treatments and surgeries etc. Any one who does this is guilty of medical malpractice. Stewart At 10:09 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Stewart, Right, most of us are eligible for disability upon diagnosis of Pulmonary Hypertension, so whatever the Ontario version of Medicare is what they would have been using, and secondly, my treatments aren't pharmaceuticals, but treatments, billed like chemotherapy (except I'll be taking them for the rest of my life). It's more of a case of one size not fitting all. - Original Message - From: Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability] Ellen I am a little curious. OHIP did not usually cover prescriptions. That was a separate private insurance. Once you became a senior or for other circumstances the provincial Ministry of Health might be the ones who would cover these things. So what I am saying was that it was not OHIP that denied her coverage, but the provincial authorities which did this. Still does not justify it. Stewart At 08:51 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: Read the article. Bonnie has already died. - Original Message - From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability] On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Ellen Rains Harris wrote: We need reform. This isn't it. I was writing about over supply and low utilization rates. I don't see how you can fairly leap from that to an insurer murdering its customers to save money. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] charlie miller speaks (he's the security expert taking macs and windows down at pwn2own)
http://gizmodo.com/5483024/security-expert-flash-is-the-root-of-browser-insecurity-oh-and-ie8-isnt-so-bad Highlights from the interview: Win 7 is harder to hack into than os x. Linux really isn't a fortress either depending on distro. Firefox on windows is less safe than IE 8 or Chrome. You want to be secure? Don't install flash. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
