Re: [CGUYS] EXT :Re: [CGUYS] Question re External HDD
I would win that bet quickly, Mike - as long as the drive format is compatible with Windows, I can connect it to either pc or Mac. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- In my own experience, it is that simple. All my machines are Windowz based, If you are moving between Mac and Win machines, all bets are off. Mike On 3/5/2011 12:22 PM, Gail Miller wrote: Hi...I have a large external HDD connected to my desktop computer by a USB cable. I would like to use some of the data on the HDD on my Laptop. Can it be as simple as moving the USB cable from one machine to the other or am I missing something major here? If it works that easily, I can envision storing my photos and music on the HDD for use on both of my computers. As always, thanks in advance! Gail Miller *** ** THIS LIST HAS MOVED TO YAHOO** ** PLEASE JOIN THE DISCUSSION THERE ** ** Info at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *** *** ** THIS LIST HAS MOVED TO YAHOO** ** PLEASE JOIN THE DISCUSSION THERE ** ** Info at http://www.cguys.org/ ** ***
Re: [CGUYS] EXT :Re: [CGUYS] HELP..................................John Roschella
Ya think, Mike? What clued you in - no real way to contact him - not even the name of the hotel? The foreign representation of money? The fact that list members do not mention trips unless they have tech-related questions? That spam appears to be quite old and made me LOL. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- This is spam - don't reply to him. Mike On 2/15/2011 7:13 AM, John Roschella wrote: Hello I'm sorry I didn't tell you about my trip ... I'm currently in London,England John Roschella *** ** THIS LIST HAS MOVED TO YAHOO** ** PLEASE JOIN THE DISCUSSION THERE ** ** Info at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *** *** ** THIS LIST HAS MOVED TO YAHOO** ** PLEASE JOIN THE DISCUSSION THERE ** ** Info at http://www.cguys.org/ ** ***
Re: [CGUYS] New Mac Mini
Yes! I want an iKey! Thank you, -Original Message- Should we bring back the telegraph? Sent from my iPad * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] more problems could be ahead for the iPad
That was from Deep Throat's advice to Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward in the Nixon Water Gate scandal investigation. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I cant remember the program, but always follow the money. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Cancels Courier - Lost their Way?
Source, Mike? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Keep in mind, Apple's markup is about 50%...so HP could come in under. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Cancels Courier - Lost their Way?
Okay, but that reference is for iPods and is a year old. You were talking about PCs. Why are you crossing devices to compare? The iPod actually took so much market share competing with its rivals that many of them are gone or marginal. Your assertion is as suspect as your method. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Yes, I'm playing a little fast with the 50% remark but this area of margins has been talked about in articles many times, here is one. The PC vendors typically have much much smaller margins due to competition amongst themselves. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/05/09/22/a_look_inside_the_ipod_nan o_and_apples_margins.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] M$ Cancels Courier - Lost their Way?
Ars posted a nice post mortem article on the Courier: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/04/courier-no-more-not-that- it-ever-was-a-post-mortem.ars What do you think - Has M$ lost their ability to design marketable new products, misunderstood the main criteria for UI design, let perfect over-rule possible or are they just too scattered to get new product ideas to market successfully? Something else? Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Free advertising [was: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?]
And I am already tuning out of this. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- The entire iPhone prototype adventure--Lost--can't be too serious to Apple. Otherwise they would have fired the guy who lost it. Just like the TV show, there's lots of confusing twists, and both versions will end soon. The product isn't scheduled for release yet. On CGUYS list alone this thread has now over 60 comments--at no cost to Apple Inc--with many more on other sites/lists. Any noise is good noise. FWIW, iPhone OS 4 will be released in early summer. ATT Wireless store employees were told not to plan any vacations in June, supposedly in anticipation of new products. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Seek advice about removing programs
You can remove Apple Software Update, but you probably want to keep it IF you use Safari web browser or iTunes. It is Apple's method for accessing updates to these two programs in Windows. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I have NEVER found update programs to benefit me. They are an easy kill. If you don't use AVS, kill it, as well. Kill Viewpoint with alacrity. Remove all Java. Then download and install newest version. That's my $ 0.02 -Original Message- I want to remove unnecessary programs from my Windows XP computer. I use the computer mainly for writing in Word, web browsing, reading PDF files, and keeping track of numbers in QuattroPro. What are your opinions about retaining or removing the following? Apple Software Update (Does it have useful downloads for a Windows XP computer?) AVS Media Player 3.1 AVS Update Manger 1.0 AVS4YOU Software Navigator 1.3 DNA (BitTorrent) InterActual Player J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0 Update 11 J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0 Update 6 J2SE runtime Environment 5.0 Update 9 Java 6 Update 18 Java SE Runtime Environment 6 Update 1 Viewpoint Media Player Vz In Home Agent Thanks, Michael Michael S. Altus, PhD, ELS Intensive Care Communications, Inc.R Biomedical Writing and Editing al...@intensivecarecomm.com www.intensivecarecomm.com * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Why I won't buy an Ipad...
The smart phones, such as the iPhone, are a new type of computer, and that is changing the way people use computers. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Yes, I know that. My point was that TP says (paraphrased), He repeats the common mistake of thinking that the iPad is a computer, but he has previously stated that the iPhone is a computer. It's a tad inconsistent, is all. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cellphone choices [WAS It's an app world, and it could swallow all computing}
So, Rev. are you accusing the entire tech industry of being a tease? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Yeah but for those trying to make a decision on what their next phone will be it is disheartening. Do I don't I when? There is a word for folks like that it is called a tease. And sooner or later teasers get theirs back. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Runs Out of iPads
Apple hopes to sell 8-10 million iPads this calendar year: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/03/29/apple_to_build_8_10m_ipads _in_2010_begins_shipping_preorders.html Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I'm still trying to figure out who said nobody would want one. Everyone knows the apple sheeple ordered two the moment pre orders were put up. On Mar 29, 2010 6:06 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:18 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://www.computerworld.com... What they sold the dozen that they made? Somewhere I heard running out would be a good strategy for Apple. I hope this is just real demand and not Wii-like availability manipulation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cybercrooks take shine to Apple lineup
I read the article and came away with a different take. The spammers want to make people think they might win an iPad (or other Apple product) so much they will go to a web site and enter their credit card information. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of tjp Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:25 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] Cybercrooks take shine to Apple lineup The claim is that the iPad will soon be pwned. Time for WFBs to put up or shut up. Let's see what happens. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR201003 1905613.html The iPad is expected to be a target for credit-card thieves and online scammers of all types. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
Sure, but this ignore the discussion in the Ars article of the penalty: RMW (read, modify, write). Quoting from the Ars article: And so it was that last September (and it's this that makes it a little surprising that the BBC and other outlets are talking about the issue now, but it's one that certainly deserves the publicity), Western Digital announced its Advanced Format drives. Advanced Format drives use the 4096-byte sectors, 100-byte error codes, and a 40-byte gap as described above. However, to maintain compatibility with Windows XP, they pretend to use 512-byte sectors. As can be seen from the spec sheet (the drives with 64 MiB cache, model numbers ending in AARS or EARS) all use 4096 byte sectors internally) the sector counts even for the 2 TB drives are high; the 2 TB disk having just shy of 4 billion sectors. This kind of deceit is a problem if software tries to write less than 4096 bytes at a time. To write 512 bytes out of 4096, the drive must read all 4096, update the 512 written bytes, and then write back all 4096 bytes (a process known as read-modify-write, RMW). That means more seeking and more disk activity, which is clearly going to perform worse than a 512 byte write on an old drive with true 512 byte sectors. But this isn't such a problem since, as already mentioned, most disk activity occurs in multiples of 4096 bytes anyway. When writing 4096 bytes, the RMW cycle isn't needed, as there's no need to read data if it's going to be overwritten anyway, so the performance impact is negligible. The biggest problem is when the 4096 byte write straddles two sectors. When that happens, the situation is even worse as two RMW cycles are needed, one for each partially-written sector. However, as long as the partition starts on sector boundary, almost all subsequent writes will-due to the OS's widespread use of 4096 byte writes-line up properly, so they won't straddle multiple sectors and won't need read-modify-writes. And as luck would have it, the most widely used operating system in the world will always create partitions that don't line up nicely. Single partition Windows XP systems will always make the first partition start on the 63rd 512 byte sector. If it was just one sector further on, then everything would line up nicely on these pseudo-512 byte sector drives. But as it is, Windows XP partitions on such a disk will have to suffer two RMW operations for almost every single write made to the disk. This is mitigated somewhat by many operations being multiples of 4096 bytes, so it's only at the start and end of each operation that the read-modify-write is needed, but nonetheless the overhead is substantial. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- The 512-byte sectors are emulated. That's what the OS sees. Physically, they're 4K sectors. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
Chris, you misunderstand RMW. Your jumper setting does not get around it. Bliss-based ignorance. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Chris Dunford Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:26 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess This kind of deceit is a problem if software tries to write less than 4096 bytes at a time. Yes, but NTFS uses 4K clusters. To the best of my knowledge, it never writes 512-byte sectors. (And even if it did, the vast majority of writes in typical use would tend to be large--only the last, partial block would be small.) And as luck would have it, the most widely used operating system in the world will always create partitions that don't line up nicely. Single partition Windows XP systems will always make the first partition start on the 63rd 512 byte sector. If it was just one sector further on, then everything would line up nicely on these pseudo-512 byte sector drives. That's precisely what the jumper settings/utility rectify. They transparently move the partition start from the 63rd sector to the 64th sector. XP never knows that the sectors are not physically located where it thinks they are. So, both of these are non-issues. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
Okay, you are talking pricing. Got it. My posts were a bit more general, so I was not thinking (or writing) about prices. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Read what I wrote. 1.5 are at that price level. I never said 2 TB are not here. But right now they are at a premium price. I saw a 1.5 TB drive advertised for $99.00 so I expect 2 TB drives to be at that price by next year. There is a price mark that determines how much those drives will sell. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
Tom, I was happy to read that OS X does not have this issue (accommodates sectors larger than 512 bytes). The article explained this as a BIOS issue in Windows and said Vista, W7 have work-around fixes. MS has not endorsed replacing BIOS with EFI, have they? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Long article at Ars about how M$ failed to engineer a smooth transition for its customers to new hard drive technologies. Changes are necessary to take us to higher hard drive capacities. Apple took care of this many years ago so changes will be no big deal. Meanwhile XP users will take a big performance hit. I really doubt that M$ will provide any fix at all. After all leaving XP users high and dry will just be another money maker for M$. Why new hard disks might not be much fun for XP users http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/03/why-new-hard-disks-might-n ot-be-much-fun-for-xp-users.ars * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
Rev, this is a BIOS issue in older versions of Windows (XP and Server 2003). Also, reams of Windows code expect a 512 byte sector. I am not optimistic about any fixes for this. XP came out around 2000 or 2001, didn't it? Apple escapes partly because they don't have the BIOS issue and partly because they have fixed most versions of OS X. Apple is much less anchored in obsolete (this one is 30-years old, came from floppies) standards than MS. The highest capacity 3.5-inch ff disk drives I see at the moment are at 2 TB. That is already pushing older versions of Windows to the limits. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- That is not just an MS issue but also a hardware manufacture issue. The largest consumer drives right now are 1.5 TB. If I remember XP will be non supported in a few years. I expect MS will come up with a programming fix for this. XP was released when? I do not think they thought far enough in the future to see the limitations of Disk size that are mentioned. I am Glad that Mac's do not have this, but they also have been releasing more new releases of their OS that Windows have. Also the Intel Mac is how old? Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
A bit smug, Chris. This bites my company big-time, which has not yet migrated from XP (about 100,000 users). I doubt it will until sometime in 2011. That is when 4TB drives (3.5-inch FF) will be available; beyond Window's BIOS addressing capability. It also affects Windows Server 2003. Until M$ frees itself from its 30-year old tech standards, such as its BIOS, it will only have work-arounds, such as READ-Modify-Write (RWM). All that does is increase write times and error rates. No OS X OS has this problem, and that goes back to a similar point in time. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Your sad little summary fails, oddly, to mention that the ONLY version this affects is XP, now nearly a decade old. Vista, Server 2008, and Win7 are all just fine. So what failed to engineer a smooth transition really means is MS failed to go back and update all obsolete versions of Windows. Did Apple, which took care of this many years ago, go back and fix all of its obsolete OSs? And, by the way, WD already has a complete solution to the XP problem for its advanced drives. It involves running a utility one time or setting a jumper. End of problem. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A Multigenerational Look at the iPad
Yes, M$ seems to announce work on a new me-too project every time Apple starts releasing a new product. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- MS has released a required set of hardware requirements for their phones and manufacturers are developing said phones at present. Lets be real Tom they may be slow but they are working on it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] more apps removed...apparently for no reason
Apple is cleaning out Apps that provide little or no functionality (their words, including an app that makes the iPhone quack like a duck, make fart sounds and so on. So, I'd be one peeved developer if I saw my fart App removed! Not sure why you say it is for no reason. They have so many apps, that periodic culling is probably necessary. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10464021-37.html *Apple removed several Wi-Fi apps commonly referred to as stumblers, or apps that seek out available Wi-Fi networks near your location. According to a story on Cult of Machttp://www.cultofmac.com/apple-is-purging-the-app-store-of-wi-fi-stu mblers/32289, apps removed by Apple include WiFi-Where, WiFiFoFum, and yFy Network Finder. * If I was a developer I'd think twice about the environment Apple is creating. Spending weeks or months developing an app, not knowing if it will be approved with Apple's moving target of rules. Then getting it approved only to find out weeks or months later Apple removes it without reason. Of course with the kind of market share (read MS size market share) Apple can seemingly do whatever it wants and not worry about the damage. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] more apps removed...apparently for no reason
Apple also just revamped its Mac developer program, modeling it on the iPhone developer program, cutting the cost from $500/year to $99/year. I don't think Apple has alienated many developers, Mike! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On Mar 5, 2010, at 11:39 AM, mike wrote: *Apple removed several Wi-Fi apps commonly referred to as stumblers, or apps that seek out available Wi-Fi networks near your location... If I was a developer I'd think twice about the environment Apple is creating. Removed for good reason. Nor did Apple remove all apps that provide this function. Apple did remove several apps after it discovered that these apps were accessing the iPhone's hardware in a way that Apple had prohibited. Developers who don't want to play by Apple's rules will find that there can be consequences. If the iPhone owner does not want to participate in Apple's protective cocoon all they have to do is jailbreak their iPhone. Similarly developers can sell their apps to the jail broken iPhones through non- Apple channels. What's the big deal here? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
As a municipal official (elected to town council of a very small town), that garbage makes my blood boil. The town pays me well under $1,000 per year. I file for election with the state election board and stand every four years. I am honored to serve with others who may disagree at times, but are watching out for the town's best interests at all times. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- To take a quote from an AIG exec out of context when the possibility of not getting his bonus was brought up: They (Politicians)only care about the next election, just like we only care about the next bonus. Well, none of them cares about the country, none of us cares about the institution, he said, adding: They really don't care, and I really don't care. And frankly, if a trillion dollars gets lost, fine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
The way this country privatizes everything seems to provide a perverse incentive for doctors inclined to profit as their primary motive. A 'specialist' I went to a couple years ago sent me to get expensive diagnostic scans, x-rays and MRI. When I went for follow-up, he could not find the x-rays. He insisted I needed an outpatient surgery, but got angry when I asked him to discuss it, alternatives and why he thought surgery was necessary. He acted indignant and I got disgusted and told him I would not be coming back. I could not shake the impression that he just wanted to get paid for surgery he would not explain to me. I got well and never did the surgery. I will never go back to that jerk. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I was writing about over supply and low utilization rates. I don't see how you can fairly leap from that to an insurer murdering its customers to save money. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Evil people [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC head calls for broadband availability]
Mike, what are you talking about Government health care for? This was a referral from my primary doctor (get this checked by a specialist) under a for-profit health plan. The doctor wanted to perform surgery when it was unnecessary so he could line his pocket. Sheesh, peel-back the tin foil occasionally. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Much harder to get rid of this guy under government health care than free market health care...just look at how hard it is to fire teachers. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: The way this country privatizes everything seems to provide a perverse incentive for doctors inclined to profit as their primary motive. A 'specialist' I went to a couple years ago sent me to get expensive diagnostic scans, x-rays and MRI. When I went for follow-up, he could not find the x-rays. He insisted I needed an outpatient surgery, but got angry when I asked him to discuss it, alternatives and why he thought surgery was necessary. He acted indignant and I got disgusted and told him I would not be coming back. I could not shake the impression that he just wanted to get paid for surgery he would not explain to me. I got well and never did the surgery. I will never go back to that jerk. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I was writing about over supply and low utilization rates. I don't see how you can fairly leap from that to an insurer murdering its customers to save money. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Science Friday: Facial Recognition
Computerized facial recognition is very much a work in progress. When I last renewed my VA drivers license, I saw their initial implementation of facial recognition. Hold head in approved position and no toothy smile. Photo also can't be color. Very preliminary stage. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Hasn't law enforcement tried this already, for instance in Virginia Beach, Virginia? The claim was that authorities would be able to recognize any number of criminals they were looking for from scanning surveillance cameras spread about in the city, and hopefully catch a bunch of crooks. If I correctly recall the outcome, they were never able to identify a single wanted suspect throughout the entire experimental operation and gave up on it. I think this was also tried at some professional football games in Tampa with similar negative results. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Science Friday: Facial Recognition
Depends on what database is used to check the face; if FaceBook, I can see an iPhone app for that. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:56 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Science Friday recently had an interesting segment on facial recognition. snip And eventually being able to use it to get an instant ID for anybody you meet on the street. I think that last one is pretty much out of the question for normal folks. Law enforcement and homeland security interests will see to that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Gigabit Broadband To Your House?
And the NeoCons spread BS and fear-mongering to keep us all ignorant and afraid of the liberals. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- If you took all of the corporate bonuses and threw them in a pot, it would be minuscule in comparison with the deficits governments are running. While I have a problem when corporate managers get bonuses from failing companies, I have no problem with bonuses from successful companies. We do a better job of running industry in this country than anywhere else. At scale. A big factor is corporate management reward systems. The liberals just want to make everyone equally miserable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Chris, Knife the baby. Was a direct quote from Bill Gates, who said it when a startup told him they would not agree to a purchase offer from M$. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Doesn't justify how they got that money. And Gates goes from Knife the baby to savior... Knife the baby??! Good Lord, he must be doing something I haven't heard about. He's a war profiteer, maybe? He's been selling munitions to terrorists? Peddling tainted infant formula to Third World countries? Selling cars that he knows to be unsafe at any speed? Charging exorbitant rents for rat-infested tenements and kicking orphans out onto the street? Do you actually picture the guy like he's in some flickering silent movie, twirling his mustaches and tying Nell to the railroad track? Come on. He made an OS you don't like, and his company has engaged in some aggressive and occasionally questionable business practices that aren't significantly different from what thousands of other businesses have done--or would if they could. There aren't any dead babies. A little perspective would be nice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
I read that Apple had talks with ATT and with Verizon, but ATT out bid Verizon. I think Apple agrees with your premise; exclusive provider can't get them the market share they want. So I think it is a matter of when, not if. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- There has been much talk about the Iphone coming onto the Verizon network, but with the introduction of the Ipad and it's being tied into the ATT network it looks like a dead issue. I don't want to get into an argument over Verizon/ATT but opening it up to more networks seems to be the key. I will be honest, if it came to the Verizon network in the next 6 months I might jump on it. But I need Verizon where I live to get good coverage. ATT does not cut it. (That is not from me but from ATT customers, and Altell soon to be ATT customers) Especially if they sold it at the $99.00 mark, I am due for a new phone in the next month! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Alas, Reverend, I could not stop work to listen and would much appreciate a summary! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No but I am not going to get into a shouting match with you either. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
Yes, with the iPad Jobs is attempting a wireless, portable device paradigm change. Well worth watching to see how Apple goes about it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. snip I have not watched it yet, but I wonder if you are missing the major qualitative changes that even a small change in technology can achieve. Cell phones give ubiquitous connectivity. The ability to reach out to people at any time from any place changes how we organize our daily lives. Add to this mix Apple's apps innovation and you not have the same ubiquitous ability to reach data. Add to this GPS and you can become aware of your environment in a way that is wholly different. This is a big deal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb
If you look for obvious revolutionary new, you will not see the impact. Jobs gave us a clue: standing on their shoulders. His intent, I believe is to change how consumers, maybe businesses as well, view the hand held, wireless and portable device market by putting it together to add more value. Don't know how it will play out, but I will be watching to see what Apple does and how they do it. I am not dismissing it, as you seem to be Mike, because I think watching will be fun and I will learn from it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Well it's hardly a paradigm change, Jobs is doing what other devices have already done before him..and some would argue better. The kindle comes with free wireless, you can download books anywhere for free. Apple is simply doing what they have done for years, take existing products and trying to make them better. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Yes, with the iPad Jobs is attempting a wireless, portable device paradigm change. Well worth watching to see how Apple goes about it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems of the news and media industry. I don't think it requires much of a stretch of the imagination to see that the iPad is going to be a very interesting device. snip I have not watched it yet, but I wonder if you are missing the major qualitative changes that even a small change in technology can achieve. Cell phones give ubiquitous connectivity. The ability to reach out to people at any time from any place changes how we organize our daily lives. Add to this mix Apple's apps innovation and you not have the same ubiquitous ability to reach data. Add to this GPS and you can become aware of your environment in a way that is wholly different. This is a big deal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Digital goes awry, or a scare tactic?
You may have seen tape recorded some time ago. However, when responding to my doctor's questions about temperature, I replied, adding, but it's just an old glass/mercury thermometer. Doctor replied - those are still the best. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- As it was snowing here in the DC area last night, I tuned to Channel 9 at 11pm to see what they were reporting. Lo and behold they had, as usual, someone out in the weather. A reporter was on the scene, out in the show, pointing out how treacherous things may be getting. Nearing the end of her short piece, she pulls out a digital thermometer as says that she is going to take a temperature reading just to let viewers see how bad things are getting (actually, it was not really all that bad, but as we know, TV has to hype things up.) She points the digital thermometer toward the ground and the camera zooms in to get a close look at the digital display. Amazingly, the thermometer is reading 16 degrees F. I say to myself, How can that possibly be. I live miles to the west where it is always colder and it is but 30 degrees, and the on-screen temperature display as provided by the TV station next to their logo says 32 degrees. No correction or mention is made about the glaring disparity, so I was left to wonder about just what the heck that was all about. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New SIM, but improved?
Feature sizes decrease in electronics every 1-1.5 years, so more features per given area. Eventually, the format size for a component decreases as well. This has been occurring for decades. This is obvious and I am surprised that people on the list think this is a bad thing. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Tell us you have not noticed the trend where everything electronic gets smaller every year. Is it not natural that as part of this process key internal parts get smaller too? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New SIM, but improved?
Steve, I was addressing components; you are addressing consumer devices. Increasing component density translates into increasing performance, reliability or capacity/capability (depending on what the engineers focus on). It allows things that were stationary to become faster, mobile or just cheaper. The user interface is an entirely different issue. You are addressing that issue. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Again, this is true for some, perhaps even most electronic/digital devices, but this trend is not universal nor is it always permanent. Some types of devices that went through a size shrinkage phase reverted to becoming larger again because smallness became a liability as opposed to an asset. Going small in such cases provides a benefit only for the manufacturer, not for the consumer. Hand-held two-way radios are an example that immediately comes to mind. Being made too small did not work well for users. The tiny buttons became hard to deal with, the small speaker rendered voice communications hard to understand, smaller displays were hard to read, they broke when dropped or were handled roughly, the smaller batteries would not last or provide sufficient power, the radios could not be placed upright on a table because the weight of the antenna would cause it to fall over, etc. This became a problem for pros such as police and firefighters and also with consumer level radios such as FRS or GMRS devices. Going small is not necessarily a good thing for the end user. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New SIM, but improved?
Okay. If you're using multiple SIMs that are small, I would suggest a container system to prevent losing them. As their density increases, is it logical to expect you to use fewer of them, change them out less often? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Mark, I would posit that a sim card, while obviously a component, also straddles the line into device, in that, for some of us, it's a frequently moved accessory. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New SIM, but improved?
I said component feature-sizes/density and formats, not consumer devices. Radios can be as small as you want them; folks trying to do surveillance find that convenient. Your Bluetooth headset broadcasts to your cell phone... but I was *_not_* commenting on the size of consumer devices. Please read with more care before you reply. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Mark, given you statement, why aren't home receivers smaller? We aren't talking about circuit boards, we are talking about electronics you will have to handle and move etc. Home receivers should be the size of a walkman by now but aren't. I'm reminded of the scene in Zoolander where he pulls out his cell phone and it's the size of a jelly bean, he can't even dial it. Some things, their size is also dependent on their use. If human beings have to interact with an object, it must be of some basic size...this seems obvious. I don't want to have to get out tweezers and a microscope whenever I want to do something with my modern electronics. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:17 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Feature sizes decrease in electronics every 1-1.5 years, so more features per given area. Eventually, the format size for a component decreases as well. This has been occurring for decades. This is obvious and I am surprised that people on the list think this is a bad thing. Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New SIM, but improved?
I only replied when it was apparent that the technology assertions were incorrect. Talk anything you want about SIM cards, but when you make false assertions about technology, I may respond. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I read fine, Mark. I don't think you fully understand the subject. You are talking about component feature sizes..fine, take to another thread, if you are going to include it in this one, it has to be assumed you are talking about sim cards. You should be more clear what you are talking about if you are going to change the area the thread is discussing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Ballmer was still a mass of pimples when Bill made Knife the baby a notable quote, but SB learned at the feet of the knife-master, Mr. Gates. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Reid Katan Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:03 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it Quoting Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com: They too gave away much of their questionable gains to great causes. A cleansing experience, I guess. Doesn't justify how they got that money. And Gates goes from Knife the baby to savior... I thought Balmer was the baby knifer. No? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Yes, Gates and his backers make the biggest philanthropy ever. Reminds me of the big capitalists like Andrew Carnegie and Mellon. They too gave away much of their questionable gains to great causes. A cleansing experience, I guess. Doesn't justify how they got that money. And Gates goes from Knife the baby to savior... Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 4:34 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Wow. Â No, really...WOW. Â He could be saving 8 million children and the mac fan bois are crying about a computer virus. I think that Gates, and I believe he is the biggest philanthropist in the United States, just met with Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi (sp?) over in Italy and wound up getting some mention in the Italian press by essentially scolding Italy for having the smallest portion of its GNP going to help the poor in foreign countries. Gates is apparently on a world tour to promote and encourage relatively rich nations to come to the aid of others in the world who are in trouble and need help. So, if he is a thief, and to an extent ripping off those wealthy enough to be able afford computers, maybe in a way he is modern day Robin Hood? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Apple prefaced the names with I for internet, when most things internet were lower-case. Internet was shiny new for many consumers in the 1990's. They have continues with this branding. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of phartz...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:15 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed? On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com: Â On the same tangent, I am still trying to find out what the i part of their various names is supposed to refer to. My guess would be iNternet, but what do iKnow. What was the first iName anyway? iMac? I suspect that Apple took the i thing from the high-end automotive industry. A number of years ago, BMW and one or two other makers of very costly, posh and status symbol cars began placing an i before or at the end the model number of the car. The i was in reference to injection, as in fuel injection. Of course, there is no fuel injection involved in the operation of computing devices as far as I know, but there is some smugness and snobbishness in the computing world as in the car world. The automotive world caused the letter i to become equated with luxury and expensiveness and status when coupled with a car name or model number, and that equation stuck with much of the public. Perhaps Apple decided that was a good way to go as far as marketing was concerned, so they decided to use the letter i in a similar fashion although it actually held no meaning whatsoever. Of course, this is all just a guess on my part although after the car industry began this i thing, various companies started doing it, even prior to Apple getting on board. Today there are many companies that tack the lower case i to their product names. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it
Too bad Gates didn't spend some of that money ten years ago to fight computer viruses' ability to attack Windows. He made that money selling Windows; a virus magnet. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of tjpa Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 11:03 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Bill Gates saves the world...well some of it On Jan 29, 2010, at 10:33 AM, mike wrote: Has anyone ever even come close to doing this much good with their money? It is my and your money money. We were cheated out of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Yes, people who make sense can get paid. That must infuriate you, Mike! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- He gets paid for this? On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:23 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/27/the-apple-ipad-first-impressio ns/ Pogue advises... My main message to fanboys is this: it's too early to draw any conclusions. Apple hasn't given the thing to any reviewers yet, there are no iPad-only apps yet (there will be), the e-bookstore hasn't gone online yet, and so on. So hyperventilating is not yet the appropriate reaction. At the same time, the bashers should be careful, too. As we enter Phase 2, remember how silly you all looked when you all predicted the iPhone's demise in that period before it went on sale. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed?
Missed the live demo (working), but reading the tech press, it appears that Steve hit another home run. I was impressed; we should probably start testing Jobs for steroids! Previous tech rumors reported $1,000 price, then polls said people would pay only 700. The various models priced from 500-8xx. Apple's ARM producer makes the 1 GHz CPU. Apple is still talking deals with news, book content publishers and opened up app-store for developers of new apps. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of tjp Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:29 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] You Saw the Demo? Are you impressed? http://gizmodo.com/306370/what-the-hell-is-a-zune-pad $499 for an iPad. Hooha! That is what my original iPod cost. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Time Watching TV Linked to Greater Risk of Death, New Study Says - WSJ.com
Maybe the wording wasn't tight enough for you, Tony. My chances of death are 100% given enough time. However, I know I should not take risks that are likely to hasten it. Reducing risks reduce the odds of dying sooner. Is that clear enough? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Sorry, but this makes no sense as written. Don't we all have a 100% chance of death? How can someone have a 101% chance of death? As professional reporters are replaced with amateurs, I'm afraid we're going to be seeing lots more of this type of nonsense in the years to come. In a provocative look at the impact of sedentary behavior on health, a new study links time watching television to an increased risk of death. One of * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Cars and the CES...
I will update my bumper sticker ASAP: Jesus loves you: Text to meet him! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- One of the bigger news stories coming out of the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas is the huge emphasis on the part of car makers to provide drivers with full blown internet connectivity while they are driving. Ford is pushing their Internet Dashboard which will let drivers Tweet, to update their Facebook page, write and receive e-mails, watch Youtube videos, search the internet, or do anything else that they would normally do while they safely sit at a desk at home. Critics say the auto industry must be deaf, dumb and blind to safety issues already made perfectly obvious by drivers who use their cell phones or other electronic devices while operating their vehicles, or do other things that distract them while behind the wheel. Critics are calling this a disaster in the making while the industry says they are just trying to sell cars by meeting the demands of consumers. Yeah, all my friends and acquaintances have been screaming bloody murder for years to be able to use the internet while driving, haven't yours? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Reality
According to Frank Cioffi of Market Watch, Apple's share is already at 6%. He further notes that Apple gets one of every five dollars from the home computing market, presumably in the US, but the article didn't say. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Since this thread is now about reality, I gotta ask: If this is true, how many years will it take to reach 100% of the market? How many to rise above 5%? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] a new word?
Tom, that is unmitigated, but often-perpetuated, BS. Please list some of these extra words for snow. Also, tech-folks do not need extra words, unless they mean different things that we need to be able to differentiate to be clear. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Tech folks need more words that non-tech folks because they need to make precise distinctions. E.g. Eskimos have dozens of words for what we just call snow. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] a new word?
Chris, thanks for a more informative response. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You're right in general, but Eskimos having many words for snow is something of a myth. The Eskimo languages are polysynthetic, which means, more or less, that multiple words are combined into one as needed. Where we might say something like dry, drifting snow, they would combine the three words into one. So there are lots of those compound words--as many as you can think of, really. But there are only a few roots that specifically reference snow. The rest are all just descriptive modifications of snow; the only difference is that English uses multiple words to describe it, but they combine snow and its modifiers into one. The same principle applies to any word, of course, so we could as easily say that they have hundreds of words for chicken. Again, I'm not disagreeing with you basic point, just the Eskimo-snow thing. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I think most kids will learn how to use both - at home and with friends, not so important at school anymore. More important at school is learning how, why they work. For too many people, computers are magic, like cars. Therefore, when something behaves incorrectly, they have no clue. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I suspect this is like anything..why can't they learn both? There are MUCH larger problems with our eduction system than which OS to learn. I'd much rather have them at a very young age begin to learn other languages, a more broadly based education in general will help them in many areas. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I sometimes wear a tee shirt I got years ago from Sun that says, No, I will not fix your computer in bold lettering. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- And they rant and they rave about how awful the machine is. Not realizing it is something they did to make it behave that way. I have that occur around me all the time. My simple answer is stop what you are doing. Unless you want to learn how to fix it yourself, stop the ranting and the raving, I will not work on it. (Wife and children) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
I've been using XP for years in my office and still am (they will upgrade to W7 in about 2012), but had never used Help. I tried each of the methods suggested and they work. I wouldn't have known, though without the suggestions. I have no idea how a newbie would guess them. Finding help on the Mac has always been obvious, even for newbies. It would be easy to show a newbie how to find help in Windows, just not necessary in OS X. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- S...you can find help on the mac keyboard...but not on the windows one? Does Apple spell HELP different than windows. HELP That's how it should look. Also when I press the start button and type that word just as it appears above, I get loads of help. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
My (company's) HP laptop keyboard (built-in and external) just have F1. Nothing says Help on it. When I click Start on the taskbar, I did see Help and Support near Log Off and Shut Down, but I did have to look for it. Office 2007 had enough annoying changes to make me hunt around to find things I knew in Office 2003. It took me about a week to remember most of the new stuff, which seem to be mostly changes in the way I get to the various functions of the old version more than seeing new ones. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- All my keyboards say 'F1' and 'HELP' underneath the F1...I think even noobs can get that. Or they can hit that big glowy button start and help is almost first on the list. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Swapping Boot Drives
Mike is right. Their screw-up, not yours. Let them jump through hoops, if they are willing to, to get their more expensive computer back. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I think the point is, you in good faith called and tried to fix the situation, they in turn have been screwing around. This reminds me of that problem when a student finds a teacher grades their paper wrong in the students favor. Most my teachers said, if it happens, don't tell me. You made an honest effort, you don't have to bend over backwards to get what you paid for. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] DRM/DMCA Story
Interesting story at ARS Technica about stupid companies (garage-door opener and Lexmark printers) trying to use DRM and/or DMCA to prevent competition. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/what-is-drm-doing-in-my- garage.ars What is DRM doing in my garage? My new garage door opener comes with both DRM and a DMCA warning: don't even think about using a third-party remote. But didn't a federal court already say this sort of behavior was illegal years ago? Ars investigates. Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
No, I meant I never looked for the Help menu in XP. Since it is a company-configured OS, I had to look to see if it was there on this laptop. Since I never looked for it, I had no idea how to find it. I've known forever (since 1980's) where help was in Mac OS then OS X. Any sited person who can read couldn't miss it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You might have known if you were looking for it. You said you never even looked for it, I'm not sure how someone looking could miss the HELP in every application window and the HELP in the start menu. I mean start -- help. It's not that hard. BTW, I've known too many mac users to believe anything is obvious. Too many windows users too...the pendulum swings both ways. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DRM/DMCA Story
Probably, but only if someone can afford a lawyer good enough to convince high-level judges. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Very interesting. Could this be a wedge to vacate many other nutty DRM restrictions? Like copying a DVD to my hard drive for viewing while traveling? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] US Military Ignoring Encryption
Predator drones use less encryption than your TV, DVDs about an hour ago - by Nate Anderson | Posted in: Law Disorder Militants have been recording video from US Predator drones in Iraq and Afghanistan using laptops and $30 software, thanks to a total lack of encryption. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/12/predator-drones-use-less -encryption-than-your-tv.ars Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
So Much BS! I predicated my statement with the difference between a hack and a pro. You are permitted to be a hack. Just don't show up when I am asking for the pro's with crappy tools; I won't give you the job - I will just laugh. Why such defense of crappy tools? I am in IT, so when applied to computers, I don't expect someone I work with or hire to show up with junk. For myself, I want and need effective, professional tools. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Those building homes need better tools than someone putting together a few pieces of wood. Interestingly, when I have a friend of mine over who is a professional carpenter, he doesn't make fun of me because of the saw I use. He knows I don't do it for a living, I don't need the level of tool he does for his job. Would that computer users would behave the same way. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Snyder, Mark wrote: The difference between a hack and a pro are skill-level and the quality of their tools. I am picky about choosing tools. I spend whatever time is necessary to learn what is good and what is not before I make my choice. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You got some right there, the computer is just a tool. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
Not going off Mike, just not quite parsing your defense of crummy tools. So if I want to build a birdhouse, hang a picture or build something in the backyard I need crappy tools? If I already use professional tools, these projects are beneath those tools? Do you apply this to computers? If so, how do you do that? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Not sure why you are going off when I agreed with you. Habit maybe? Which part is bs? I said 'Those building homes need better tools than someone putting together a few pieces of wood.' Was that the BS? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
I never mentioned cost; _you_ made that assumption, Rev! Your assumptions are flawed... Thank you, -Original Message- You make a bad assumption cost = quality You are saying that the Rolls Royce is indeed a better car for everyone because it costs more money therefore it is of the highest quality and everyone should save up and wait till they can afford a Rolls Royce then they can buy a car? I don't buy MAC tools or Snap ON or similar type of tools as I am not a mechanic. But that does not mean I do not have quality tools that work for me and get the job done very well thank you. I will admit I do not buy my tools at the Dollar store, but occasionally I have found a good little tool that works for specialty jobs in one of those bins. But I do not make a habit of buying my wrenches or power tools at Dollar General. Your logic is flawed. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
I never mentioned cost as a requirement for quality. That seems to be a WFB trap or argument trick. My mother is becoming very forgetful. A quality computer tool for her is something easy to use. But I am talking about people who do professional work and my long-retired mother does not qualify. I am an IT professional and my requirements are greater than hers. Thank you, -Original Message- The problem is you seem to equate inexpensive with crap. I don't. I don't buy 'crappy' tools, I buy the tools that will do the job, whatever job, well. I don't need a 400 dollar hammer because I don't use a hammer to make my living. If I already have that hammer, of course I'd use it, but I don't so I buy one that works for what I need it to work for. How would I apply this to computers? Easy. My mom will never in the course of the rest of her life ever, never, need more then a few gigs to store data. She will also never, ever need a high end graphics card so she can get better frame rates on Call Of Duty. She will also never, ever need 16 gigs of ram to edit a film. Actually, what she does need is something small..efficient...something that does web browsing, email...perhaps, on occasion even do red eye removal in a family photo. Sounds like she may do very well with a mac mini. Now this being her choice, being the least expensive mac, at least by your calculations, be a 'crappy' tool? This is how I approach buying a drill, I don't first go after the most expensive drill there, I look at the job that needs doing, I look at future jobs I may need to do. I weigh that against the budget and I buy accordingly. Inexpensive is not crap, just as expensive doesn't equate to quality. You'll note also that I never defended crummy tools. Reading the thread I've said the same thing throughout...the right tool, for the right job. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
Rev, you keep attributing things not said in my posts like some demon. My posts discuss quality. Your posts are refutations of imagined costs or biases. My kindest description of that is slippery discourse. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- OK lets use this line of argument. You will not accept anyone who uses a Windows machine because you consider them crappy tools. So the equal argument would be like this. I consider Chevy's to be crappy cars so therefore I will not hire anyone (If I were a mechanic) who drives a chevy as they rive a crappy car and a good mechanic would never drive a crappy car. By the way whatever you want to buy your mother is fine with me. Your choice we live in a free world. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
That, Mike, must be a WFB misperception. I said crummy, crappy tools. *You* said M$. I said quality, professional tools. You cried expensive Apple. You seem to imply that Apple makes the only quality tools; I would refute that. Thank you, -Original Message- If it was some sort of 'WFB' trick, then your trick being the MFB is to exchange inexpensive for crummy. I never mentioned crummy...I said inexpensive, you made the inexpensive = crummy analogy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
Ugh, please live up to the honorific! Thou hast painteth me with colors most unbidden. The reverend is bereft of logic! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You make one side of the argument and Tom fills in the gap. I am discussing the whole thing because between you and Tom you are a tag team. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
That is one of my posts, yes. I am not able to hallucinate the accused words. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You mean this comment? Stewart At 06:32 AM 12/11/2009, you wrote: So Much BS! I predicated my statement with the difference between a hack and a pro. You are permitted to be a hack. Just don't show up when I am asking for the pro's with crappy tools; I won't give you the job - I will just laugh. Why such defense of crappy tools? I am in IT, so when applied to computers, I don't expect someone I work with or hire to show up with junk. For myself, I want and need effective, professional tools. Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
Mike, maybe these are two diametrically opposed points of view. I look for a quality tool likely to produce a professional result, predictably and efficiently. My joy is the quality of the output and using efficient, well-built tools. You seem to look for the least-expensive tool that can do a reasonable job. Your joy might be in having a large stock of tools of various quality, all low in cost. Maybe these are irreconcilable. I might not be able to work well with you. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- If you read, I gave an apple as one of the inexpensive that would do the job. I think you are confusing what I said with what someone else said. Can you show where I did this? I can show you where I said purchasing a mac mini is an example of an inexpensive tool that works. * How would I apply this to computers? Easy. My mom will never in the course of the rest of her life ever, never, need more then a few gigs to store data. She will also never, ever need a high end graphics card so she can get better frame rates on Call Of Duty. She will also never, ever need 16 gigs of ram to edit a film. Actually, what she does need is something small..efficient...something that does web browsing, email...perhaps, on occasion even do red eye removal in a family photo. Sounds like she may do very well with a mac mini. Now this being her choice, being the least expensive mac, at least by your calculations, be a 'crappy' tool? This is how I approach buying a drill, I don't first go after the most expensive drill there, I look at the job that needs doing, I look at future jobs I may need to do. I weigh that against the budget and I buy accordingly. Inexpensive is not crap, just as expensive doesn't equate to quality. You'll note also that I never defended crummy tools. Reading the thread I've said the same thing throughout...the right tool, for the right job.* The following is the last time I mentioned MS, you are either assuming or mistaking me for saying something I did not. *Part of the problem is how MS approaches touting the features. Part of it is haters who see 'windows 7 boots faster than vista' as not that 7 is faster but that vista is crap. Shockingly they don't look at Apple's advertising the same way, some will never satisfy, better to just ignore them, nod and smile when they start popping off. Computers aren't tools to use to get a job done to them, they are the alpha and omega, it is part of how they define themselves.* So near as I can tell I never equated your crummy with MS, and I never cried expensive with Apple. I also never said Apple makes the only quality tools. Once again, from the start, I've said the right tool for the right job, never pay 500 dollars for a job that should cost 5. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
No, Mike. I am saying your joy is finding, getting the low-cost tools. My joy is finding the quality tools. I look at cost if I find several quality tools. I refer to tools that are important to me, in professional pursuits where my reputation and my time are on the line or a serious hobby. I would much rather have a quality tool that can save me time while increasing my chances at a quality result than to get the big bargain tool that I grumble using while scrambling to get professional results. However, I do not drive super-quality or fancy cars. I found enough quality in a truck that now has over 200K miles. It has little to do with my job or any of my passions, but it has what I needed when I bought it. It may well be crap to someone who depends on a vehicle for professional reasons, though. For example, I can only picture a real estate agent getting value from it to repair property, not to show property. Please note that getting quality tools does not necessarily equate to high costs; nor do crappy tools always equate to low costs. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Are you saying there are no quality tools that are low cost? Perhaps you just aren't a good shopper. I never said a 'reasonable job', but I don't need a 25 dollar hammer to hang a picture as I said. By your logic, your 25 dollar hammer, would do better than a 5 dollar hammer at putting a nail in drywall to hang a photo. I don't need snap on tools to do brakes on my car, or change the oil, or replace a radiator. My joy as it were, does not come in a mass of low quality tools, but in being sharp enough not to spend $$$ when it only costs $. I look for the least expensive tool that can do the job RIGHT. Isn't that what you do? If you have two equal quality tools for a job, you don't buy the most expensive one do you? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
The difference between a hack and a pro are skill-level and the quality of their tools. I am picky about choosing tools. I spend whatever time is necessary to learn what is good and what is not before I make my choice. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You got some right there, the computer is just a tool. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
Windows Fan Bois Thank you, Mark Snyder IdM/Provisioning Identity Access Management 703.883-8365 -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:03 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse What is a WFB? R On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 16:28 -0700, mike wrote: Um..yeah. Once again he's talking without looking. Technically a 'wfb' if you can find one, can run the magic mouse. Drivers are out there. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: As to the mouse click thing I'm on the fence. I've gone through more mice then I can remember. Is electronic stuff more reliable then physical stuff? You know, little springs and clips and etc.? They all die sooner or later. I'm guessing the Magic Mouse is mostly electronic based. I have used one. It really is a quantum leap in usability. WFBs can continue to cling to their keyboards. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly
I was mistaken when I called you catatonic, Mike. You are a moron. The Acid Test has absolutely nothing to do with security. You have lost all association with logic. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Why do you do this? READ the thread. Tom brought up security. You guys are like broken records, challenge a belief and you can't defend it you start this shit. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IE8/9 Fail Acid Test Badly
No, that misses the point. That only allows the guilty to bury the evidence. The Acid test is only worth paying attention to because it is written a standards organization http://acid3.acidtests.org/, not by the authors of the software to be tested. The tests then measure standards defined by the organization. The vendors are often members of the standards organization and vote on standards. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- The problem with this ACID test is that it wasn't designed by the people that authored the #1 internet browser. If those people wrote the test, their browser would pass it with flying colors, and the others would probably fail. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] microsoft pays to pla...er screw us
It is M$ SOP. If M$ can't develop a better product and they can't force you to be acquired, they will pay others to beat you out of business. That is how Gates succeeded and built M# into the giant it is today. Hopefully, this won't work with Google. If not unethical, then truly an ugly business model. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Well it's not a dirty trick, friend of mine on irc said it was unethical. It's not either, it's paying for a job to get done. But as I said, they are just screwing users in the end. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Death to M$; Death to Apple
Tom, you are so urban, it is obvious you know little about rural living. My rural Virginia town, Middleburg, has municipal utilities. I live in town and use them. It also has a utility building for telephone. So I have DSL and could also use cable. Walmart is about 30 minutes away; which is fine for the few times I go there. I have life style advantages here that I would not consider giving up, such as knowing almost everyone. I would never trade with you, but can respect your choice; I am not encouraging anyone to move to my area. We are not looking for more people. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Probably don't have piped in water and gas or municipal sewage. I guess you got electric and phone service. The Postal Service is probably making noises about suspending your home delivery and closing your nearest Post Office. You got to drive 2 hours to get to a Walmart or a doctor and 10 hours to get to hospital or an Apple Store. No opera house in town. No traffic light either. Lack of broadband is probably the least of your problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Crunchgear Starts Pissing Contest Over Silly M$ Store Antics
Not so flattering in business, especially when the larger competitor does it. M$ also seem to be increasing their copying of Apple. Copying Apple for Windows (admitting this just gat a VP slapped-down), Zune, Stores. I would not be surprised to see Ballmer imitating Jobs' attire. If Apple turned a tight corner, would M$' neck snap? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- It is an extremely ancient practice that if you see something that works you imitate it. It is essentially a form of flattery! So feel flattered Tom, or should I say Steve Jobs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Crunchgear Starts Pissing Contest Over Silly M$ Store Antics
Reverend, I deliver one of your sermons, verbatim, without any attribution - you are fine? Admittedly, this gets done a little differently in business, but seldom do businesses deploy the wholesale copying of one competitor the way M$ are at present. Ford, to pick one, does not copy the entire product line of another carmaker; they try to make sure their products compare well. Most companies still try to distinguish their brands. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Come off it. It is done all the time. Many companies use similar ad marketing techniques to get customers into their doors. Everyone is trying to come up with an Ipod killer. Us Car Manufacturers are imitating their import cousins to see how they do it so they can do it better. Right now Apple has a good track record and has done many things right. So many companies are looking to them to see how to do it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] BSoD Cooking
Sorry, Betty, I should have included the link; Slashdot comments are definitely fun. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:30 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] BSoD Cooking From SlashDot: Nathan Myhrvold, former CTO of Microsoft, is self-publishing a cook book with scientific underpinnings. The man who presided over the original iterations of Windows has built a laboratory kitchen http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/17/science/17prof.html , hired 5 chefs, and plays with misplaced lab equipment: using an autoclave as a pressure cooker, using a 100-ton hydraulic press to make beef jerky, and using an ultrasonic welder for... he's not sure yet. The article includes a video on how to cryosear and cryorender duck. 'It's basically like a software project,' Dr. Myhrvold said. 'It's very much like a review we would do at Microsoft.' Is it possible to BSoD food? Mark - why didn't you include the Slashdot link? The comments, as usual, are funny and insightful. - ...After you consume it, 2 ports will open spontaneously and you will be ejecting data for days. - ...Can we have a Windows 7 release party in his kitchen? - ...Now, if Microsoft-style food makes your stomach unstable, that's just because you can't expect the creator of the food to test it in every possible stomach, and I'm sure they'll fix it in one of the service packs... http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/17/1538245/Former-Microsoft-CTO-Builds-Kitchen-Laboratory?art_pos=1 My BSoD victim saucepan is still sitting on my stove until I figure out how to restore it to its original beauty and functionality. [Blue--really--almost blue as in grape jam] Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] BSoD Cooking
From SlashDot: Nathan Myhrvold, former CTO of Microsoft, is self-publishing a cook book with scientific underpinnings. The man who presided over the original iterations of Windows has built a laboratory kitchen http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/17/science/17prof.html , hired 5 chefs, and plays with misplaced lab equipment: using an autoclave as a pressure cooker, using a 100-ton hydraulic press to make beef jerky, and using an ultrasonic welder for... he's not sure yet. The article includes a video on how to cryosear and cryorender duck. 'It's basically like a software project,' Dr. Myhrvold said. 'It's very much like a review we would do at Microsoft.' Is it possible to BSoD food? Thank you, Mark Snyder * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Data Transfer Rates [was Borrowing the Z OS from M$ ...]
The issue of CPU overhead for managing data transfers goes way back. I was arguing the superior transfer rate of SCSI over ATA years ago. Fortunately, I could demonstrate the difference side-by-side in our test configuration. Not everything in tech is as simple as some imagine it. The extra latency from those old x86 processors made a huge difference, making ATA clearly slower. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- The transfer rate for the latest FireWire and eSATA versions don't matter much because both are high enough to not be creating the data- transfer bottleneck. That is why faster versions of these standards have been proposed BUT NOT IMPLEMENTED. It would be a waste of effort to do so. If anybody bothered to look at the charts on tomshardware that I linked to they would have seen both FireWire and eSATA drives in mixed order at the top of the charts. This amply demonstrates that FireWire vs eSATA does not matter. Other parts of the data channel are what is limiting the data rate. One example. Both FireWire and SCSI control the data flow in hardware. ATA and eSATA have the CPU managing the data transfer. So FireWire and SCSI can maintain a high data rate irrespective of what is happening in the CPU and ATA and eSATA can't. That may account for the inconsistent eSATA results that were observed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$ Patents sudo
Tom, you should have looked at this a bit further. The M$ patent is more for a graphical interface used in the M$ utility to adjust user privileges; similar to UNIX's sudo - but M$ cannot patent sudo. Your source is crummy. This was settled on better tech sites yesterday. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I pass this on with no comment. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009094923390 Lordy, lordy, lordy. They have no shame. It appears that Microsoft has just patented sudo, a personalized version of it. Here it is, patent number7617530. Thanks, USPTO, for giving Microsoft, which is already a monopoly, a monopoly on something that's been in use since 1980 and wasn't invented by Microsoft. Here's Wikipedia's description of sudo, which you can meaningfully compare to Microsoft's description of its invention. This is why what the US Supreme Court does about software patents means so much. Hopefully they will address the topic in their decision on Bilski. Sudo is an integral part of the functioning of GNU/Linux systems, and you use it in Mac OSX also. Maybe the Supreme Court doesn't know that, and maybe the USPTO didn't realize it. But do you believe Microsoft knows it? Perhaps Microsoft would like everyone in the world to pay them a toll at least, even if they don't want to use Microsoft's software? Like SCO, but with more muscle behind the request? Or maybe it might be used as a barrier to competition? What do you personally believe Microsoft wants patents on things like sudo for? To make sure innovative new companies can compete on an even playing field with Microsoft? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] CNET News.com: Gates: Apple is a 'force in doing good things' - CNET News
Gates has been out of M$ long enough that he can afford to be gracious... No more babies to knife! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:07 AM, Rev. Stewart A. Marshall wrote: During a CNBC special in which he appeared with Warren Buffett, Microsoft's Bill Gates is effusive in his praise for Steve Jobs and Apple. Something bad is about to happen. I just know it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Apple and Something Bad
Such as this evil idea Apple has filed for patent? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/business/15digi.html?_r=2ref=business Apple has filed a patent that forces users to interact with an ad. FTFA: Its distinctive feature is a design that doesn't simply invite a user to pay attention to an ad - it also compels attention. The technology can freeze the device until the user clicks a button or answers a test question to demonstrate that he or she has dutifully noticed the commercial message. Because this technology would be embedded in the innermost core of the device, the ads could appear on the screen at any time, no matter what one is doing. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Something bad is about to happen. I just know it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple and Something Bad
Okay, time will tell; but that type of thing does not fit the Apple Experience model. Here's one that may be more like it: Apple plans to release a new Concierge application for the iPhone and iPod touch that will allow customers to schedule appointments at retail stores, AppleInsider has been told. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Apple has filed a patent that forces users to interact with an ad. They could just hold the patent and use it to prevent anyone from doing this bad. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple and Something Bad
Mike, you didn't elaborate, but it appears you meant Apple would not do that. Actually, they might to protect their brand against ad-supported freebie competition. Or even someone doing this with OS X. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Wow that's funny. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:43 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Apple has filed a patent that forces users to interact with an ad. They could just hold the patent and use it to prevent anyone from doing this bad. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?
I agree, Betty. Reliable tech news is limited. The W Post and NY Times have some good tech writers, but that is about as far as I go for general US news media. Even NPR does not have a good tech reporter (except for Science Friday, but that is mostly science, not tech news). Most general print and broadcast reporters don't know enough to report tech news reliably. I have also cultivated some reliable online sources, such as Ars Technica, Slashdot and a few others. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- This is a choice: entertainment vs. news. Could choose both, but most don't. As long as news is offered as entertainment and fact-based real news is considered boring at best and insulting--politically incorrect--at worst, instead of as mostly objective reporting, we're stuck with infotainment. Those of us who want news have to go outside the US or to more obscure reliable sources to find out what's happening here--with straight news and tech news. Just as commercial products have truth in advertising requirements, news venues that aren't news need disclaimers, including clueless ignoramuses who know nothing about tech but write about it anyway. Then clueless readers get scared about things they don't understand either. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IPv4 Exhaustion Counter
An opportunity for someone to market a blacklist cleaner - once blacklists get large enough to become too big? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Apparently there is a blak hole into which IPs are disappearing. When blocks of IPs get blacklisted the blacklisting lasts forever. There is no mechanism for removing IPs from blacklists. Blacklists often copy from each other and there are so many different blacklists that it would be tough to track them all down. So if an ISP should try to recycle a blacklisted IP the poor soul who gets the IP will find it is not usable. As the bad guys constantly acquire new IPs and these IPs get blacklisted the process eats up more and more available IPs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?
When does it air in the DC area? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- APM'a Future Tense daily is quick, fun, and usually of good quality. He used to be a bit too gullible on malware stories promoted by the security vultures, but I think his listeners straightened him out on that because he has started to ask critical questions. I would not say that tech news is limited. What is missing is good reviews and analysis. These days when I want a product review I go first to Amazon's customer comments. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?
Poseurs and shills PfB's (paid-for bloggers) and other unscrupulous writers. I got frustrated over the general press and tech topics of any sort. Heck, they too often stumble in economic news. For example, in the Sunday Post, an otherwise well written article had this: [now ill-remembered by me] scheme to add jobs more directly cost about $30K (annual) per job, so the cost to get a million folks back to work is (drum roll!) $30 million! Actually, it is $30 billion, but I see this error too often to count. Thank you, Mark Snyder IdM/Provisioning Identity Access Management 703.883-8365 -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:26 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines? I agree, Betty. Reliable tech news is limited. The W Post and NY Times have some good tech writers, but that is about as far as I go for general US news media. Even NPR does not have a good tech reporter (except for Science Friday, but that is mostly science, not tech news). Most general print and broadcast reporters don't know enough to report tech news reliably. I have also cultivated some reliable online sources, such as Ars Technica, Slashdot and a few others. Slashdot is my home page for SeaMonkey. It's high tech with a great sense of humor. Ars Technica is very good, but heavy to read. The Register, http://www.theregister.co.uk/, is also good, as is MIT's Technology Review, http://www.technologyreview.com/. A friend used to write a tech column for the Baltimore Sun. After Conglomo bought the Sun, he was relegated to proofing and layout, doing his own work and picking up more from fired coworkers; it ruined his marriage. He was laid off last Spring and nobody with the tech knowledge and skills is doing the same kind of work there. You really have to go to reputable technology publications and sites for information. Too bad that tech info is harder to find in general news. Hasn't it been that way for years [or forever]? It's just that there are more pretenders today. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?
One of the problems I see with the tech writers on the net, especially, is lack of disclosure/honesty. Some of these Bozos own stock or are otherwise blatant shills for the companies they write about. It has been a real problem since the tech press began writing and seems to have grown. I am not talking about fan bois or bad writing/analysis; I am talking about dishonesty. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Read the headline. Read the story. Tell me if this head fits on this body. Bing Now a Serious Challenger to Google http://www.pcworld.com/article/181980/bing_now_a_serious_challenger_to_g oogle.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines?
Tom, That seems overly broad. It only applies to some newspapers. As a long-term reader of newspapers, I cringe each time a good paper, such as the W Post or NY Times, loses an important feature or writer. Both papers seem to be run more from a journalistic perspective, than that of your evil MBA. I still think of (good) newspapers as the best source of quality news, even though the editing quality seems to have suffered much lately. And they too are losing subscriptions and advertisers. There may not be enough people interested in quality news reporting to fully support. Too many people would rather be entertained than be informed. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Readers are voting with their feet by dropping paid sources with poor- quality for free sources with poor quality. The MBAs running newspapers today do not understand the value of their product and what they need to produce to make it worth paying for. So they cut the heart out of their newspapers and magazines and then blame the Internet for their loss of subscribers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?
Mike, why the personal attack? This struck me as way over the top and I could see nothing in the post that would indicate your characterization? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Is there a reason you think you are so much better than other people or is it just a general sense of superiority? You seem to have a horrible view of people who aren't exactly like you. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] droid self-photography?
No, I took it the same way I'd react to bumpkin. Why the super-sensitive reaction, response? Thank you, Mark Snyder Original Message- Did you miss the part where anyone not living in a big city was a rube? Just because someone works outside they are automatically stupid? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] IPv4 Exhaustion Counter
If memory serves IPV6 is good to go. It is the effort to make the switch that is delaying it. (Disclaimer: I am not a network guru, but I do follow the tech press.) I also wonder what the motivation is for the internet service providers to make any effort? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Does anybody know what the hold-up is with IPv6? Did they over engineer it or is that task of switching over more work than the community will bear? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
Apple is preventing them from taking advantage of Apple's investments in iTunes and in Mac OS X by not making these investments work with non-Apple products; phones and other products competing with Apple. The reason Apple spends money to develop and market them is to provide advantages to Apple products. For example, Apple has no products using Atom processors and no plans to use them, so why would they make Mac OS X work on them? How could this not be clear? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How is MSI making money off apple? How is palm making money being able to sync to itunes? How is Apple being ripped off? The money Apple might be losing aren't even pennies, but they are taking potential customers and going out of their way to make things hard to save those fractions of a cent. We aren't talking about Psystar, different subject. They are directly marketing and making money from what they are doing. MSI, other netbook manufacturers, Palm, these guys aren't trying to wedge their devices to work with Apple, they just do. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Apple is defending its brand and its infrastructure from the other companies trying to make money on Mac OS (psyster, mostly) and from iTunes - other phone vendors. Apple made those investments and are trying to make sure competitors can't rip them off. Why do you expect Apple to share its investments with other companies? Why would they not want to have exclusive competitive advantage from their own investments? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- So Apple once again has 'fixed' iTunes so it will not work with palm pre at all. Whom does this help or hurt? It doesn't do a damn thing for paying apple customers...and for those who bought a pre, who may have considered a mac or ipod, they are now at odds with Apple over their purposely shutting off functionality. I'm not talking about writing code that accidentally breaks things, Apple specifically went in and wrote in code to lock out the pre. Now they are rumored to be writing a 'fix' for the next release of snow cat that refuses support for intel's atom cpu. The reason? Those few dozen people who are putting OS X on netbooks is pissing Apple off. This fix does nothing for Apple's customers, and pisses off potential ones. I'm not saying Apple should purposely build in support for the pre or atom, but when it's already there, why are they spending time and money to go back and shut a very very small amount of people down? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
Probably because you didn't write clearly. You just now brought up this control freak perception issue; where did you get that from? Apple is planning a large jump in its research. Some of that will go for OS X. Why would they make it easy for others to sell OS X the way Psyster is (during the law suit)? Apple's business plan has always been to mate hardware and software to provide the best user experience. You may disagree with that by choosing another product, but complaining about it sounds like whimpering to me. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- You missed what I said. I never stated I wanted Apple to invest money making their product work on atom CPUs. They already do, so Apple is going back to write code to break it. With the massive profits, why not go a little down the pr road and just let those extremely few do it and try to negate the control freak perception Apple has with the public? On Nov 3, 2009 3:42 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Apple is preventing them from taking advantage of Apple's investments in iTunes and in Mac OS X by not making these investments work with non-Apple products; phones and other products competing with Apple. The reason Apple spends money to develop and market them is to provide advantages to Apple products. For example, Apple has no products using Atom processors and no plans to use them, so why would they make Mac OS X work on them? How could this not be clear? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How is MSI making money off apple? How is palm... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
M$ took a different business tack in the early 1980's. Bill's motto was Knife the baby when an innovative software vendor would not agree to be acquired. Bill started M$ writing an OS for the IBM PC, remember? They never cared much who made the hardware. You are a little late to start whimpering now. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- With the logic you present below, MS should try to write code so that Windows won't run in any fashion on a Mac? Someone's business model is flawed? Fred Holmes At 05:38 AM 11/3/2009, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Apple is preventing them from taking advantage of Apple's investments in iTunes and in Mac OS X by not making these investments work with non-Apple products; phones and other products competing with Apple. The reason Apple spends money to develop and market them is to provide advantages to Apple products. For example, Apple has no products using Atom processors and no plans to use them, so why would they make Mac OS X work on them? How could this not be clear? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- How is MSI making money off apple? How is palm making money being able to sync to itunes? How is Apple being ripped off? The money Apple might be losing aren't even pennies, but they are taking potential customers and going out of their way to make things hard to save those fractions of a cent. We aren't talking about Psystar, different subject. They are directly marketing and making money from what they are doing. MSI, other netbook manufacturers, Palm, these guys aren't trying to wedge their devices to work with Apple, they just do. On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Apple is defending its brand and its infrastructure from the other companies trying to make money on Mac OS (psyster, mostly) and from iTunes - other phone vendors. Apple made those investments and are trying to make sure competitors can't rip them off. Why do you expect Apple to share its investments with other companies? Why would they not want to have exclusive competitive advantage from their own investments? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- So Apple once again has 'fixed' iTunes so it will not work with palm pre at all. Whom does this help or hurt? It doesn't do a damn thing for paying apple customers...and for those who bought a pre, who may have considered a mac or ipod, they are now at odds with Apple over their purposely shutting off functionality. I'm not talking about writing code that accidentally breaks things, Apple specifically went in and wrote in code to lock out the pre. Now they are rumored to be writing a 'fix' for the next release of snow cat that refuses support for intel's atom cpu. The reason? Those few dozen people who are putting OS X on netbooks is pissing Apple off. This fix does nothing for Apple's customers, and pisses off potential ones. I'm not saying Apple should purposely build in support for the pre or atom, but when it's already there, why are they spending time and money to go back and shut a very very small amount of people down? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple fixes your wagon...and yours
Apple is defending its brand and its infrastructure from the other companies trying to make money on Mac OS (psyster, mostly) and from iTunes - other phone vendors. Apple made those investments and are trying to make sure competitors can't rip them off. Why do you expect Apple to share its investments with other companies? Why would they not want to have exclusive competitive advantage from their own investments? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- So Apple once again has 'fixed' iTunes so it will not work with palm pre at all. Whom does this help or hurt? It doesn't do a damn thing for paying apple customers...and for those who bought a pre, who may have considered a mac or ipod, they are now at odds with Apple over their purposely shutting off functionality. I'm not talking about writing code that accidentally breaks things, Apple specifically went in and wrote in code to lock out the pre. Now they are rumored to be writing a 'fix' for the next release of snow cat that refuses support for intel's atom cpu. The reason? Those few dozen people who are putting OS X on netbooks is pissing Apple off. This fix does nothing for Apple's customers, and pisses off potential ones. I'm not saying Apple should purposely build in support for the pre or atom, but when it's already there, why are they spending time and money to go back and shut a very very small amount of people down? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 the question...
Marcio, it would probably be more fun to set your hair on fire... Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Marcio Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:36 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] Windows 7 the question... Just a simples question: can I upgrade to Windows 7 on the top of my XP Professional?... Again thanks Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Hype Cycle Graph
Tom, I have seen these hype charts from Gartner for many years, and monitored them when I did technology change management for a DoD project, for a little over 15 years. They are just two-dimensional; plain x-y axis: just expectations mapped over time to wide-spread adoption. They did not prove to be very useful and I always took these charts with a large grain of salt. They are very M$-centric. For what Gartner is calling presence, for example, M$ has Office Communicator, a chat/meeting tool. My current group does use that as we are spread out over the country. When I take a day off, I flag myself as away-PTO and note when I will return (PTO is paid time off). The charts always look to behind; OLED is listed as 2-5 years from main-stream adoption (Zune is OLED). Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn17705/dn17705-1_671.jpg Cool graphic that takes a bit of work to figure out. Plots the hype level (expectations) vs time vs time to adoption. I'm not sure I get the 2 time scales yet. Anybody got an insight here? At the very peak of the hype curve they put Project Natal and mark it as 5 to 10 years to reality. Closest to reality is Presence. I guess that is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presence_information and I don't see that this is interesting enough to even mention. Anyone to enlighten me? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
