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This argument leads me to think about the complaints I've heard the most about when it comes to bad writing. Which I'm sure I'm guilty. But tech. manuals and other such types are and continue to be the worst. Back in the 7th grade (1975) I was enlightened to the difficulties of writing a tech manual. as a class we were asked to write a tech paper on how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. The results were horrid. I think we give to much credit to others. There aren't that many out there with common sense or even a deserved high school education. We're fortunate that most (though not all) can at least spell. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Nov 12, 2009, at 4:53 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, please. He said it has the same legal status AS a religion (or a philosophy). He didn't say that it IS a religion (or a philosophy). Someone tell me this wasn't intentional. I saw a headline yesterday on an online news source that linked to a video. The headline was, and I quote, Woman Attacked by Chimp on Oprah Show. Wow, I said to myself, That is terrible. This I gotta see. So, I go to the video. Is a woman attacked on the Oprah Show by a chimpanzee? No, not at all. The woman on the show was the victim of an attack that had taken place quite some time ago in another location altogether. Was that headline misleading? Certainly/ Intentionally? Maybe, maybe not. It was probably just a matter of incompetent composition skills, written by someone who should not be in the business of doing what they are doing. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This argument leads me to think about the complaints I've heard the most about when it comes to bad writing. Which I'm sure I'm guilty. But tech. manuals and other such types are and continue to be the worst.. I used to edit tech manuals. Talk about bad writing. Some of the errors I found were egregarious. And that is a word that I found in one of them. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I agree, Betty. Reliable tech news is limited. The W Post and NY Times have some good tech writers, but that is about as far as I go for general US news media. Even NPR does not have a good tech reporter (except for Science Friday, but that is mostly science, not tech news). Most general print and broadcast reporters don't know enough to report tech news reliably. I have also cultivated some reliable online sources, such as Ars Technica, Slashdot and a few others. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- This is a choice: entertainment vs. news. Could choose both, but most don't. As long as news is offered as entertainment and fact-based real news is considered boring at best and insulting--politically incorrect--at worst, instead of as mostly objective reporting, we're stuck with infotainment. Those of us who want news have to go outside the US or to more obscure reliable sources to find out what's happening here--with straight news and tech news. Just as commercial products have truth in advertising requirements, news venues that aren't news need disclaimers, including clueless ignoramuses who know nothing about tech but write about it anyway. Then clueless readers get scared about things they don't understand either. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 13, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: I agree, Betty. Reliable tech news is limited. The W Post and NY Times have some good tech writers, but that is about as far as I go for general US news media. Even NPR does not have a good tech reporter (except for Science Friday, but that is mostly science, not tech news). Most general print and broadcast reporters don't know enough to report tech news reliably. I have also cultivated some reliable online sources, such as Ars Technica, Slashdot and a few others. APM'a Future Tense daily is quick, fun, and usually of good quality. He used to be a bit too gullible on malware stories promoted by the security vultures, but I think his listeners straightened him out on that because he has started to ask critical questions. I would not say that tech news is limited. What is missing is good reviews and analysis. These days when I want a product review I go first to Amazon's customer comments. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Cnet is not that bad as they usually have customer reviews alongside their reviews and in some cases they include video reviews. They do not pull punches and the customers do not either. I have steered clear of some items due to customer reviews. Stewart At 12:05 PM 11/13/2009, you wrote: APM'a Future Tense daily is quick, fun, and usually of good quality. He used to be a bit too gullible on malware stories promoted by the security vultures, but I think his listeners straightened him out on that because he has started to ask critical questions. I would not say that tech news is limited. What is missing is good reviews and analysis. These days when I want a product review I go first to Amazon's customer comments. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I agree, Betty. Reliable tech news is limited. The W Post and NY Times have some good tech writers, but that is about as far as I go for general US news media. Even NPR does not have a good tech reporter (except for Science Friday, but that is mostly science, not tech news). Most general print and broadcast reporters don't know enough to report tech news reliably. I have also cultivated some reliable online sources, such as Ars Technica, Slashdot and a few others. Slashdot is my home page for SeaMonkey. It's high tech with a great sense of humor. Ars Technica is very good, but heavy to read. The Register, http://www.theregister.co.uk/, is also good, as is MIT's Technology Review, http://www.technologyreview.com/. A friend used to write a tech column for the Baltimore Sun. After Conglomo bought the Sun, he was relegated to proofing and layout, doing his own work and picking up more from fired coworkers; it ruined his marriage. He was laid off last Spring and nobody with the tech knowledge and skills is doing the same kind of work there. You really have to go to reputable technology publications and sites for information. Too bad that tech info is harder to find in general news. Hasn't it been that way for years [or forever]? It's just that there are more pretenders today. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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When does it air in the DC area? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- APM'a Future Tense daily is quick, fun, and usually of good quality. He used to be a bit too gullible on malware stories promoted by the security vultures, but I think his listeners straightened him out on that because he has started to ask critical questions. I would not say that tech news is limited. What is missing is good reviews and analysis. These days when I want a product review I go first to Amazon's customer comments. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Poseurs and shills PfB's (paid-for bloggers) and other unscrupulous writers. I got frustrated over the general press and tech topics of any sort. Heck, they too often stumble in economic news. For example, in the Sunday Post, an otherwise well written article had this: [now ill-remembered by me] scheme to add jobs more directly cost about $30K (annual) per job, so the cost to get a million folks back to work is (drum roll!) $30 million! Actually, it is $30 billion, but I see this error too often to count. Thank you, Mark Snyder IdM/Provisioning Identity Access Management 703.883-8365 -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:26 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines? I agree, Betty. Reliable tech news is limited. The W Post and NY Times have some good tech writers, but that is about as far as I go for general US news media. Even NPR does not have a good tech reporter (except for Science Friday, but that is mostly science, not tech news). Most general print and broadcast reporters don't know enough to report tech news reliably. I have also cultivated some reliable online sources, such as Ars Technica, Slashdot and a few others. Slashdot is my home page for SeaMonkey. It's high tech with a great sense of humor. Ars Technica is very good, but heavy to read. The Register, http://www.theregister.co.uk/, is also good, as is MIT's Technology Review, http://www.technologyreview.com/. A friend used to write a tech column for the Baltimore Sun. After Conglomo bought the Sun, he was relegated to proofing and layout, doing his own work and picking up more from fired coworkers; it ruined his marriage. He was laid off last Spring and nobody with the tech knowledge and skills is doing the same kind of work there. You really have to go to reputable technology publications and sites for information. Too bad that tech info is harder to find in general news. Hasn't it been that way for years [or forever]? It's just that there are more pretenders today. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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WIth that kind of math, they should do government work. What about a guy like Mossberg who is seemingly revered in the review tech community. Has he been bought and sold by Apple? Most of his reviews are glowing. The mac base loves the guy...and then he puts out a good review of windows 7 and suddenly he's out to lunch. It seems to be the reviewers we like, the ones we read end up being just ones we agree with, the same way most watch news. Very few challange their beliefs. And if they do, they just dismiss the information without even checking. Do you keep reading reviews when a reviewer gets something basic completely wrong? Can you still trust them? It's not tech, but I remember reading a review of Star Trek by Roger Ebert. He got a basic scene fairly wrong in the review, it didn't affect plot really, but it makes me question the rest of his reviews of movies I haven't seen. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Poseurs and shills PfB's (paid-for bloggers) and other unscrupulous writers. I got frustrated over the general press and tech topics of any sort. Heck, they too often stumble in economic news. For example, in the Sunday Post, an otherwise well written article had this: [now ill-remembered by me] scheme to add jobs more directly cost about $30K (annual) per job, so the cost to get a million folks back to work is (drum roll!) $30 million! Actually, it is $30 billion, but I see this error too often to count. Thank you, Mark Snyder IdM/Provisioning Identity Access Management 703.883-8365 -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto: computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:26 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Who Writes These Headlines? I agree, Betty. Reliable tech news is limited. The W Post and NY Times have some good tech writers, but that is about as far as I go for general US news media. Even NPR does not have a good tech reporter (except for Science Friday, but that is mostly science, not tech news). Most general print and broadcast reporters don't know enough to report tech news reliably. I have also cultivated some reliable online sources, such as Ars Technica, Slashdot and a few others. Slashdot is my home page for SeaMonkey. It's high tech with a great sense of humor. Ars Technica is very good, but heavy to read. The Register, http://www.theregister.co.uk/, is also good, as is MIT's Technology Review, http://www.technologyreview.com/. A friend used to write a tech column for the Baltimore Sun. After Conglomo bought the Sun, he was relegated to proofing and layout, doing his own work and picking up more from fired coworkers; it ruined his marriage. He was laid off last Spring and nobody with the tech knowledge and skills is doing the same kind of work there. You really have to go to reputable technology publications and sites for information. Too bad that tech info is harder to find in general news. Hasn't it been that way for years [or forever]? It's just that there are more pretenders today. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: When does it air in the DC area? Podcast. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:07 PM, mike wrote: What about a guy like Mossberg who is seemingly revered in the review tech community. Has he been bought and sold by Apple? I agree that Mossberg is not that good, but I would never call him a shill. If you slow down and actually read his reviews you would see that what you just wrote is nonsense -- more aggressive distracted posting I guess. You really can't pay attention when you are also in three chat rooms, streaming youtube and hulu videos, shopping for gaiters at five different online stores, reading four other emails, playing a video game, and fighting off a real-life polar bear in your living room. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Well it helps if you read what I wrote. Whatever it is you are doing while reading these posts you might want to stop, and if all you are doing is reading them I'd suggest someone read them to you for better comprehension since I never said what you assert. Dance on. On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 2:41 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 13, 2009, at 2:07 PM, mike wrote: What about a guy like Mossberg who is seemingly revered in the review tech community. Has he been bought and sold by Apple? I agree that Mossberg is not that good, but I would never call him a shill. If you slow down and actually read his reviews you would see that what you just wrote is nonsense -- more aggressive distracted posting I guess. You really can't pay attention when you are also in three chat rooms, streaming youtube and hulu videos, shopping for gaiters at five different online stores, reading four other emails, playing a video game, and fighting off a real-life polar bear in your living room. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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One of the problems I see with the tech writers on the net, especially, is lack of disclosure/honesty. Some of these Bozos own stock or are otherwise blatant shills for the companies they write about. It has been a real problem since the tech press began writing and seems to have grown. I am not talking about fan bois or bad writing/analysis; I am talking about dishonesty. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Read the headline. Read the story. Tell me if this head fits on this body. Bing Now a Serious Challenger to Google http://www.pcworld.com/article/181980/bing_now_a_serious_challenger_to_g oogle.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This is a problem with every news site. Check NYT or LATIMES or any other news paper. Agreed. I see this all the time. Fox Nation is a serial headline-abuser. In their case it appears to be intentional. Nobody could be THAT bad at the summarizing an article's content in a few words, and, oddly, the misstatements ALWAYS lean far right. One example among hundreds: A UK judge granted a hearing to a guy who says he was fired due to his environmental beliefs (he won't fly). The judge said that a person's environmental beliefs, if firmly held, have the same legal status as a philosophy or a religion, meaning that you can't fire someone for holding them. A Telegraph article reported it with this headline: Climate change belief given same legal status as religion But Fox's post linking to the Telegraph article was headlined: UK Judge Rules Climate Change A Religion. Oh, please. He said it has the same legal status AS a religion (or a philosophy). He didn't say that it IS a religion (or a philosophy). Someone tell me this wasn't intentional. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, please. He said it has the same legal status AS a religion (or a philosophy). He didn't say that it IS a religion (or a philosophy). Someone tell me this wasn't intentional. I saw a headline yesterday on an online news source that linked to a video. The headline was, and I quote, Woman Attacked by Chimp on Oprah Show. Wow, I said to myself, That is terrible. This I gotta see. So, I go to the video. Is a woman attacked on the Oprah Show by a chimpanzee? No, not at all. The woman on the show was the victim of an attack that had taken place quite some time ago in another location altogether. Was that headline misleading? Certainly/ Intentionally? Maybe, maybe not. It was probably just a matter of incompetent composition skills, written by someone who should not be in the business of doing what they are doing. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This has been going on for over 30 years. My brother was involved in an incident 30+ years ago where he and his friends got attacked. Newspaper headline next day, Gang fight erupts in south Shreveport. Stewart At 06:53 AM 11/12/2009, you wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, please. He said it has the same legal status AS a religion (or a philosophy). He didn't say that it IS a religion (or a philosophy). Someone tell me this wasn't intentional. I saw a headline yesterday on an online news source that linked to a video. The headline was, and I quote, Woman Attacked by Chimp on Oprah Show. Wow, I said to myself, That is terrible. This I gotta see. So, I go to the video. Is a woman attacked on the Oprah Show by a chimpanzee? No, not at all. The woman on the show was the victim of an attack that had taken place quite some time ago in another location altogether. Was that headline misleading? Certainly/ Intentionally? Maybe, maybe not. It was probably just a matter of incompetent composition skills, written by someone who should not be in the business of doing what they are doing. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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While we are griping here, let me add the gripe of lack of or poor punctuation. A comma after Chimp would have fully clarified the headline. phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, please. He said it has the same legal status AS a religion (or a philosophy). He didn't say that it IS a religion (or a philosophy). Someone tell me this wasn't intentional. I saw a headline yesterday on an online news source that linked to a video. The headline was, and I quote, Woman Attacked by Chimp on Oprah Show. Wow, I said to myself, That is terrible. This I gotta see. So, I go to the video. Is a woman attacked on the Oprah Show by a chimpanzee? No, not at all. The woman on the show was the victim of an attack that had taken place quite some time ago in another location altogether. Was that headline misleading? Certainly/ Intentionally? Maybe, maybe not. It was probably just a matter of incompetent composition skills, written by someone who should not be in the business of doing what they are doing. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Says more about global warming than Fox Nation. On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:10 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: This is a problem with every news site. Check NYT or LATIMES or any other news paper. Agreed. I see this all the time. Fox Nation is a serial headline-abuser. In their case it appears to be intentional. Nobody could be THAT bad at the summarizing an article's content in a few words, and, oddly, the misstatements ALWAYS lean far right. One example among hundreds: A UK judge granted a hearing to a guy who says he was fired due to his environmental beliefs (he won't fly). The judge said that a person's environmental beliefs, if firmly held, have the same legal status as a philosophy or a religion, meaning that you can't fire someone for holding them. A Telegraph article reported it with this headline: Climate change belief given same legal status as religion But Fox's post linking to the Telegraph article was headlined: UK Judge Rules Climate Change A Religion. Oh, please. He said it has the same legal status AS a religion (or a philosophy). He didn't say that it IS a religion (or a philosophy). Someone tell me this wasn't intentional. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Oh, please. He said it has the same legal status AS a religion (or a philosophy). He didn't say that it IS a religion (or a philosophy). Someone tell me this wasn't intentional. We can expect Fox News and the New York Post to deliberately misrepresent issues in headlines. It's Murdoch's M.O. However, the lack of qualified editors and proofreaders at other venues leads to accidentally misleading headlines like Woman Attacked by Chimp on Oprah Show instead of Oprah's Guest: Woman Attacked by Chimp or Chimp-Attack Survivor on Oprah Show. Test-based education, instead of learning and problem solving based education has led to the decline in critical thinking to the point that too many writers and readers don't know the language well enough to be able to proof headers and copy. Takes all the fun out of writing headlines, like the one by a top editor who had to fill in to write obituaries at the Sun. For an obit of a man from the town of Secretary, Maryland, he wrote, Man Dies in Secretary. Can't write teaser headlines any more for children's programs where they're assigned to pretend to be different animals; headline was Children are animals as a teaser. Too many people object to their children being called animals. Could be a Fox headline. Could be a real news headline. Teasers are confused with insults by readers who don't get nuance and double entendres any more. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:06 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: As long as the readers don't care or demand quality, or pay for quality, it won't be there. Readers are voting with their feet by dropping paid sources with poor- quality for free sources with poor quality. The MBAs running newspapers today do not understand the value of their product and what they need to produce to make it worth paying for. So they cut the heart out of their newspapers and magazines and then blame the Internet for their loss of subscribers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:33 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: The MBAs running newspapers today do not understand the value of their product and what they need to produce to make it worth paying for. So they cut the heart out of their newspapers and magazines and then blame the Internet for their loss of subscribers. Similarly, there is a growing amount of evidence to suggest that the internet and attendant claims of illegal downloading of music was never the main cause of declining sales of music on compact disc as the music industry has long maintained. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom, That seems overly broad. It only applies to some newspapers. As a long-term reader of newspapers, I cringe each time a good paper, such as the W Post or NY Times, loses an important feature or writer. Both papers seem to be run more from a journalistic perspective, than that of your evil MBA. I still think of (good) newspapers as the best source of quality news, even though the editing quality seems to have suffered much lately. And they too are losing subscriptions and advertisers. There may not be enough people interested in quality news reporting to fully support. Too many people would rather be entertained than be informed. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Readers are voting with their feet by dropping paid sources with poor- quality for free sources with poor quality. The MBAs running newspapers today do not understand the value of their product and what they need to produce to make it worth paying for. So they cut the heart out of their newspapers and magazines and then blame the Internet for their loss of subscribers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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There is very little of modern music I like to listen too. It is all marketing from The music industry. My one son likes heavy metal (modern heavy) and I cant stand it. My other son listens to Michael Bublee (sic) My daughter likes to listen to Country (An area that is increasingly growing) Very often I will hear one song I like go to Amazon to preview the other music and it is all junk. Why buy an album for that one song? Clean up your act, get some real musical talent out and then see music sales jump. Stewart At 12:30 PM 11/12/2009, you wrote: Similarly, there is a growing amount of evidence to suggest that the internet and attendant claims of illegal downloading of music was never the main cause of declining sales of music on compact disc as the music industry has long maintained. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Tom, That seems overly broad. It only applies to some newspapers. As a long-term reader of newspapers, I cringe each time a good paper, such as the W Post or NY Times, loses an important feature or writer. Both papers seem to be run more from a journalistic perspective, than that of your evil MBA. Or it could be that I am closer to these events than you are. And now the new owners at CQ are running amok, swinging their axes at any unnecessary quality they encounter. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Clean up your act, get some real musical talent out and then see music sales jump. It's really that newfangled radio machine that is doing in the music business. They let you listen to music for free. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:06 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: It's really that newfangled radio machine that is doing in the music business. They let you listen to music for free. It is a lot more than that, Tom. For instance, discretionary spending. Video game and associated hardware sales have surged as music sales on CD have declined and online sales of music have not been enough to make up the difference. It is pop music that drives the bulk of music sales, and that means mostly younger folks. Those in the teen to thirties set have only so much money to spend on entertainment, and with all of their diversionary devices, only so much time to spend as well. They now buy and play a lot of video games, spend a lot more time and money on their cell phones and computers, and accordingly, spend less time and money on music than they used to. Also, the available pop music is not as enticing as it once was. Is anyone going to be listening to the golden oldies of Britney Spears or 50 Cent thirty years from now? No. They are not worth it now and will certainly not be then. The pop music industry, most recently run at the very top by mostly stupid (old) white men, to borrow from Michael Moore, severely missed the boat a number of years ago when they could have made the necessary adjustments, but it is too late now. The dominance once held by the biggies of the recording is gone...and good riddance to them. Idiotic vestiges of the cookie cutter mentality of the music industry, such as American Idol are trying to retain some of the lustre and control of that bygone era, but they, too, will fade in due course. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Nov 12, 2009, at 2:40 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: It is a lot more than that, Tom. For instance, discretionary spending. Good point. US consumer discretionary spending has been shrinking and their slice of the pie has been shrinking too as consumers are offered more appealing alternatives. When you have to pay that monthly iPhone bill that leaves less money to spend on other things. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com: On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Clean up your act, get some real musical talent out and then see music sales jump. It's really that newfangled radio machine that is doing in the music business. They let you listen to music for free. And it's usually worth every cent you pay, too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yes, with nearly 10 percent of the market to Google's 70%, I'd say the headline is accurate. After all, every time Apple market pushes 5% to MS's 90%, you proclaim the end of MS. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:00 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Read the headline. Read the story. Tell me if this head fits on this body. Bing Now a Serious Challenger to Google http://www.pcworld.com/article/181980/bing_now_a_serious_challenger_to_google.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This is a problem with every news site. Check NYT or LATIMES or any other news paper. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Read the headline. Read the story. Tell me if this head fits on this body. Bing Now a Serious Challenger to Google http://www.pcworld.com/article/181980/bing_now_a_serious_challenger_to_google.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:36 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: This is a problem with every news site. Check NYT or LATIMES or any other news paper. Agreed. I see this all the time. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Quoting tjpa t...@tjpa.com: Read the headline. Read the story. Tell me if this head fits on this body. Bing Now a Serious Challenger to Google http://www.pcworld.com/article/181980/bing_now_a_serious_challenger_to_google.html Never mind squaring the headline with the body, there doesn't seem to be much consistency in the body. How do you go from rose to 9.57 percent in October 2009, up from 8.96 percent in September. to nipping at Google's heels and In fact, it appears that Google is already playing catch-up? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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mike xha...@gmail.com escribió: This is a problem with every news site. Check NYT or LATIMES or any other news paper. This is a somewhat recent phenomenon. I've worked on several newspapers and have done work for magazines and books. Newspaper headlines were edited carefully just as was the copy. Staff would sit around and consider stories to go into the next issue and discuss both the stories and the best headers, often honing some excellent double entendres. Editors, if there are any who haven't been fired, either aren't as well prepared or don't have the time to be more careful with their headlines. Copy--instead of being proofed by a proofreader and editor--is put through a spell checker, most of which make horrendous mistakes. As long as the readers don't care or demand quality, or pay for quality, it won't be there. Who can spell or compose a sentence in the world of tweets anyway? Does nuance matter? It does to some of us. Would be nice if more news sources were as carefully edited as the Financial Times or the Economist, whether on not you agree with their news slant. NYT used to be. WaPo is better. Baltimore Sun was one of the best until the Chicago Tribune set its vampires on it. Bing vs. Google is not the choice. Use whichever works and switch back and forth. One is not enough. Monocultures are bad, in biology and in computing. Neither search engine should win, or we [users] lose. Vive la différence! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
