Re: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I few years ago I needed postfix with mysql support. postfix in mandrake didn't have it. I downloaded srpm and found that mysql was in but switch in spec file wasn't activated. It took quite a while for a new package to appear. Even one security update was released but the switch wasn't activated. Once more i had to build it myself. Have you considered that maybe Mandrakesoft doesn't want postfix to depend on mysql by default, but *does* want to make it easy for someone to build the package with mysql support All you need to do is: $ rpm --rebuild --with mysql postfix*.src.rpm Luckily, ldap support is on by default. It seems it is possible to build postfix with dynamic support for mysql/postgres/ldap, see the patch Debian uses: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/postfix/postfix_2.0.16-2.diff.gz (or newer I guess). Luca Berra, care to look at this? (/me wonders when Debian will seriously consider sending patches upstream) Regards, Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x202 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/pm0vrJK6UGDSBKcRApLnAKCXGUl+ChHVn3fuvmFpA+IKoQ69EACeNJMD FimwGXiyojsj+GiZPlq8L64= =BGhm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 04:58:55PM +0200, Buchan Milne wrote: It seems it is possible to build postfix with dynamic support for mysql/postgres/ldap, see the patch Debian uses: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/postfix/postfix_2.0.16-2.diff.gz (or newer I guess). that's looks like the infamous dynamic maps patch by Lamont Jones, which according to Wietse was pending integration in postfix (but that was one year ago). Luca Berra, care to look at this? Feeling very masochistic i could try to extract this from debian patch, or i could try to adapt the one trustix ppl kindly extracted from there :) will let u know... (/me wonders when Debian will seriously consider sending patches upstream) as said before lamont jones was a serious postfix contributor (at least while he worked at hp), i don't know what he is doing now. i would only be too grateful if debian ppl would seriously consider mantaining split patches instead of 500k conpressed diffs. L. -- Luca Berra -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Communication Media Services S.r.l. /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN XAGAINST HTML MAIL / \
Re[2]: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
Luca Berra, care to look at this? LB Feeling very masochistic i could try to extract this from debian patch, LB or i could try to adapt the one trustix ppl kindly extracted from there :) LB will let u know... Could you CC that to me also, since i often miss things from changelog list? btw if this really works I think that a loot of people will be very pleased.
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 11:04:04PM +0100, Galileo wrote: Luca Berra, care to look at this? LB Feeling very masochistic i could try to extract this from debian patch, LB or i could try to adapt the one trustix ppl kindly extracted from there :) LB will let u know... Could you CC that to me also, since i often miss things from changelog list? btw if this really works I think that a loot of people will be very pleased. if i manage to do something, i will post on cooker list, and put rpm on http://www.comedia.it/cooker/mail/ wheter my changes to postfix ever find their way into main or contrib depends on gc willing to integrate them or not. regards, L. -- Luca Berra -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Communication Media Services S.r.l. /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN XAGAINST HTML MAIL / \
Re[2]: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
LB if i manage to do something, i will post on cooker list, LB and put rpm on http://www.comedia.it/cooker/mail/ Thanks.
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
Galileo wrote:
For example find a message with a subject:
or [Cooker] Lilo Installation bug
...
I haven't had the time to test this with 9.2 but i bet that this
wasn't fixed.
well, if you want to know if something has been fixed or not file a bug
on bugzilla.
Haven't had a single reply. This was a significant bug.
the first is a bug, i agree (file it on bugzilla)
the second is phrased in a way i cannot understand
for the third question remember that we have space constraints.
but i agree with you mdadm and lvm tools should be in rescue.
bccz %if %{with_MYSQL}
bccz Requires: MySQL, MySQL-client
bccz BuildRequires: MySQL, MySQL-client, MySQL-devel
bccz %endif
I see what you mean. But this is nonsense. If postfix has a module for
mysql why should postfix depend on mysql if it doesn't affect its core
functionality. If you want to use this particular feature its obvious
that you are going to install mysql. Do you get what i mean ?
because it's not a module. If you build postfix with mysql support (or
XYZ support for that matter) postfix binaries will be linked with mysql
libraries, and they won't run if mysql libraries are not installed.
maybe we could add custom postfix builds to the contrib? the only
problem i have with this is that it makes the spec-file a mess.
bccz We are making progress, but it is slow, but it doesn't help if you
bccz complain ...
It doesn't have to be slow. And what should I do.
Post something like this:
Hi guys, you are doing a great job, you are the greatest in the whole
universe but could you please do me a little favour and put postgre
support in cyrus-sasl ? Please don't get offended if I disturbed you
in some more important work ?
no, this won't help a bit.
you should say something like.
hello i'd like if cyrus sasl was rebuilt with this patch
(http://url.of.the/damned.patch) which adds support for postgres sql.
maybe if you tried the patch before, you could also report how well it
works and the fact that it does not change existing functionality.
If you don't complain and bitch about it nothing will change, or it
will change but really slowly.
it is not necessary to bitch every time, if you bitch too much people
will start ignoring you, that's it.
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Re[2]: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
LB well, if you insist i'll just state it works correctly for me. LB but if you try and give some more useful info (eg output of commands) LB we could see if it is a bug or another problem. Well this was with 9.1 haven't had the time to test it with 9.2. Anyway the situation was something like this: lvm was set on top of raid 1. / was on /dev/root/2. vgscan showed the volume active but other utilities (vgdisplay, lmdispaly) showed it inactive. I noticed this when I tried to modify lilo with raid-extra-boot= mbr-only. Lilo complained that it cannot find /dev/root/2. And indeed /dev/root/2 was nonexisting. I rerun installation and there it was (/dev/root/2). So something went wrong since in installation i could see /dev/root/2. I modified some of the init scripts but it didn't work. I didn't spend much time on this since it was just an experiment, I was truing to build a cheap software raid1 as a protection against hard drive failures but i also wanted an easy way to add extra storage.
Re[2]: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
LB the second is phrased in a way i cannot understand Simple lvm is not functioning properly when setup on top of raid1. LB libraries, and they won't run if mysql libraries are not installed. didn't know that it worked that way. Thanks. LB maybe if you tried the patch before, you could also report how well it LB works and the fact that it does not change existing functionality. When i get to it I will try this approach. It can't hurt anyway.
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
Galileo wrote: LB the second is phrased in a way i cannot understand Simple lvm is not functioning properly when setup on top of raid1. well, if you insist i'll just state it works correctly for me. but if you try and give some more useful info (eg output of commands) we could see if it is a bug or another problem. L. -- Luca Berra -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN XAGAINST HTML MAIL / \
Re: Re[2]: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
bccz Maybe you have an old page cached, but at least all the NVidia kernel bccz packages have been updated. I hope the ATI and winmodem drivers could also I know how to check for a page in cache. It wasn't it. bccz BTW, this is better than 9.1, where Mandrakesoft did not update any of the bccz proprietary kernel modules, and Club contributors did it all. True. bccz I don't think so. I think the current problem is not enough resources (ie bccz more people sending patches, maintaining packages would help). Well that's mandrakesofts problem. It's your problem just as mich (if you have issues). If they don't have enough money to hire people they should ask for more volunteers. Development is totally open. If you want to help, you can. There is no need to ask for developers, because the policy is clear. Volunteers are welcome and always have been. bccz If you're going to use shorewall, get Florin's updated packages. Shorewall is a nice but when you have to build a firewall for network which has 150+ users and 15+ classes of users that won't do. Your point? bccz I haven't seen the menu problem on my cooker box, so I don't agree. And I bccz think the fact that many bugs have been fixed by updates so fast is a good bccz thing. Well if you haven't seen it a loot of others have. But that doesn't help fix it. Mandrakesoft has problems reproducing it too (and 'just install a package' isn't a reproducible test case), so it's difficult for them to solve it. Don't get me wrong updates are always good but they also show that 9.2 wasn't tested enough. Or that bugs took longer to solve than the time available before they had to meet their commitments. Of course, Mandrake didn't go out telling people not to test this release ... bccz Most people are just clueless, and run Redhat because everyone else does, bccz Instead of dissing a distro you have significant investment in, maybe you bccz could actually help to improve it? Many of us do, and that is one reason bccz why it *is* actually worthwhile. O now you really got me going. Well let see. I few years ago I needed postfix with mysql support. postfix in mandrake didn't have it. I downloaded srpm and found that mysql was in but switch in spec file wasn't activated. It took quite a while for a new package to appear. Even one security update was released but the switch wasn't activated. Once more i had to build it myself. Have you considered that maybe Mandrakesoft doesn't want postfix to depend on mysql by default, but *does* want to make it easy for someone to build the package with mysql support All you need to do is: $ rpm --rebuild --with mysql postfix*.src.rpm Luckily, ldap support is on by default. What's the big deal? I had to avoid using automatic update procedure since it would break my mail server. Yes, this needs to be solved in some way (but building postfix with mysql isn't the total solution, rather we need to deal with custom packages better). Anyway, you could just have added postfix to your /etc/urpmi/skip.list. Next: The same time I needed cyrus-imapd but no mandrake didn't have it. Strange it was in 7.0/7.1. let me check. I pull from the closet my old powerpacks and see that cyrus imapd was inside. Ok again the same thing. I make a cyrus-imapd rpm. Test it for a few days. everything is ok. After 2 years it's still working happily. After some time I clean that spec file and send it cooker list. Just wonted to help out. Nobody cares. 2 years later cyrus-imapd still is not in standard set. No, it's in contrib, along with courier and binc and dovecot. There was resistance to having two IMAP servers in a desktop distro. IMHO, we should replace UW, and have Cyrus in main (reclaiming the space sendmail wastes ;-)). I wasted all of my votes on it as so many others did but nobody listens to us. So, then why is cyrus-imapd in contrib now? Why are there people who are working on making it easier to set it up? The newest msn chat client or some other crap is probably more important. Actually, it's not (as the gaim users will probably complain). Next: a couple of posts concerning bugs missing functionality etc. all passed by nobody cared. Please, post your bug numbers, otherwise there is no reason to give any credence to reports like this. Next: mandrakeclub been a member since it was made. It wasn't worth the money but still I'm a member. Why ? because I want to help. It looks like nobody cares. How so? bccz Oh yes, of course you should always read the errata before installing. And bccz maybe someone needs to add the menu issue to it for now. How is errata being built. Look for yourself: http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/Mandrake92, look at the older revisions of that page to see the history of the errata, and you will see a number were up before ISOs were released. Some user has complained that that is not working. Possibly in a bug report on
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, Greg Meyer wrote: On Friday 24 October 2003 01:20 pm, Brook Humphrey wrote: On this page http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/advisory.php?name=MDKA-2003:0 20 Mandrake says that all of the mandrakeclub commercial drivers are available. Quote: New commercial drivers for this kernel are available at Mandrake Club. Now my English is a bit rusty but this should mean that they are there wright NOW ! I don't see them here : http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/ByDate.html um they are. Maybe you didn't look right at the top of the page but listed right there are drivers for ati, nvidia, winmodems and whatnot else. Those are the ones for the original kernel, not the updated ones that are referred to on the security advisory page. He is right, they are not there. And if I might add (if the maintainers of those packages are on any of the lists at all): Why are there no srpms so that one of the club contributers could have updated them? Who had this fabulous idea of not putting up srpms? Most of the inhouse made commercial rpms are full of bugs, incompatible and outdated. It is a waste of employee-time to maintain these things. Put the srpms up and let us rebuild it when needed. (no i do not put up my own versions because last time i did that with java people were complaining to me about the other rpm, it is confusing and another waste of recources to double the work) d.
Re: Re[2]: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well if you haven't seen it a loot of others have. But that doesn't help fix it. Mandrakesoft has problems reproducing it too (and 'just install a package' isn't a reproducible test case), so it's difficult for them to solve it. Hope this helps: steps to reproduce: - make a fresh install of Mandrake 9.2 final (not an update!) - choose all desktops (KDE, GNOME, Other) and all other package groups but not servers - choose KDE as your default desktop during install and in first time wizard - make some changes to the kicker i.e. add a Konqueror button to kicker - install package kdeaddons-3.1.3-4mdk.i586.rpm - wait Symptoms include: - K menu shows only a small subset of what it should show - the Konqueror button miraculously dissapears from Kicker - the Konqueror icon on desktop gives error something like File 'home.desktop' not found - logging out and back in *does not* help (except for the desktop icon) - running update-menus *does not* help - running MenuDrake and changing style to any other style than Administrator settings (please understand that my Mandrake is translated so this might not be accurate) *does* help. Also note that some users are reporting that Alt+F2 in these circumstances doesn't work. In this testcase it works, infact that's the only way to run menudrake. I was under impression that this problem was detected http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5957 and solved http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5511 so why is this discussion persisting? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re[2]: [(nowhere)] [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
JC rpm -qa gpg-pubkey* JC gpg-pubkey-22458a98-3969e7de JC gpg-pubkey-9b4a4024-3874ddfb JC gpg-pubkey-70771ff3-3c8f768f JC The first key is the one you are missing. Beats me. I will try to delete all of the keys then add the one from isos and the other from mandrakes site. What I don't understand is how when I check signature of packages in for example RPMS dir everything is ok. But on updates something is wrong. I thought that Updates should be signed with a same key.
Re[4]: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
bccz Development is totally open. If you want to help, you can. There is no bccz need to ask for developers, because the policy is clear. Volunteers are bccz welcome and always have been. ??? Don't have to ask developers ? If I want something to be changed in ML i will post a message to cooker list. If other people want the same thing then it is up to the developers to make the change. After all they are the ones who have the control over the final product. bccz Your point? My point ? If you want to do it wright you do it yourself. bccz Or that bugs took longer to solve than the time available before they had bccz to meet their commitments. bccz bccz Of course, Mandrake didn't go out telling people not to test this release ... maybe the best solution would be a kind of a fork to create a perfect ml 9.2 (9.2.1) apply all of the updates over the next month or so and post a howto for people who wont to build their own distrib. isos. There have been a question on cooker list concerning this but I haven't seen a god answer for it. I'm currently truing to do the same thing myself. bccz Have you considered that maybe Mandrakesoft doesn't want postfix to depend bccz on mysql by default, but *does* want to make it easy for someone to build bccz the package with mysql support No. It was a mistake. The mistake got corrected a few releases later. Anyway postfix doesn't depend on mysql it only has a module in it built to support mysql. bccz All you need to do is: bccz $ rpm --rebuild --with mysql postfix*.src.rpm Yeah i know how to build rpm. bccz No, it's in contrib, along with courier and binc and dovecot. There was bccz resistance to having two IMAP servers in a desktop distro. IMHO, we should bccz replace UW, and have Cyrus in main (reclaiming the space sendmail wastes bccz ;-)). Yeah I know it's in the contrib but we voted for it to be in the main. bccz So, then why is cyrus-imapd in contrib now? Why are there people who are bccz working on making it easier to set it up? Yes I know that it is in the contrib thanks to the votes. Look the main problem here is that some of us need some new features which are not so common. If added they would not make any difference to the most people. Most wouldn't even notice them but it would make a great difference to some of us since it would be supported by mandrake. Example cyrus-sasl doesn't have a support for mysql or postgre. If added this wouldn't make any difference to most of the people. Most of the people don't even use it. But it would make a great difference to me since the next time a security patch is released I wouldn't have to go try the same process of patching building and testing. I don't have enough resources to keep all of the old mandrake releases installed so I could build a few rpm when a bug is found. Maybe a moderated feature request list should be built for mandrake developers as a reference point. New features are always welcome as long they don't affect stability. bccz Please, post your bug numbers, otherwise there is no reason to give any bccz credence to reports like this. Already wasted to much time writing this. Don't have the time to go try cooker archive. bccz Possibly in a bug report on the RC or similar. How else do you make an bccz errata? Report issues that no-one has tested?? You didn't understand what i was trying to say. Some issues were reported and didn't get fixed. bccz So, you have a better idea? Maybe you know how to patch CDs? bccz Of course, you can always do the update after installation. You missed the point. When an obvious thing doesn't work it leaves a bad impression. bccz It looks like you are new to cooker, so remember: Actually I'm not. bccz 1)This is not a support list This should be a developers list where all users can share ideas how to make a better Mandrake . bccz 2)Don't troll, contribute instead (that's the only way things get better). I'm trying and a have tried to contribute. I didn't write this just to get some steam out. If I wanted that I would just say @[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@#!@ well something inappropriate : I have been a long time user of mandrake and its irritating when the same mistakes are happening all over again. bccz It also seems you are assuming the worst about everyone, instead of bccz realising that there are constraints on many aspects (available time, bccz number s of bad bug reports etc etc). Maybe. But according to my experience until you start complaining about something it will never get fixed. the problem here is that until a lot of people starts complaining nothing will get changed. A lot of people think like this 9.0 = test, 9.1 = a little better, 9.2 = absolutely perfect. this just to be in the old days. Now it seems that to many people are crying for bleeding edge and distributions are truing to catch up.
Re: Re[4]: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
bccz Development is totally open. If you want to help, you can. There
is no bccz need to ask for developers, because the policy is clear.
Volunteers are bccz welcome and always have been.
???
Don't have to ask developers ? If I want something to be changed in ML i
will post a message to cooker list.
Sometimes it is more effective to post a patch, and/or file a bug.
Sometimes not.
If other people want the same thing
then it is up to the developers to make the change. After all they are
the ones who have the control over the final product.
But you seem to infer that only Mandrakesoft people are developers, and
exclude yourself from possibly being a developer.
bccz Your point?
My point ? If you want to do it wright you do it yourself.
I do. Do you?
bccz Or that bugs took longer to solve than the time available before
they had bccz to meet their commitments.
bccz bccz Of course, Mandrake didn't go out telling people not to test
this release ... maybe the best solution would be a kind of a fork to
create a
perfect ml 9.2 (9.2.1) apply all of the updates over the next month or
so and post a howto for people who wont to build their own distrib.
isos.
The question is, would the bugs be found in 9.2, or would people think
9.2 is just an RC, I will wait for 9.2.1, and then you end up in the
same situation?
There have been a question on cooker list concerning this but I haven't
seen a god answer for it. I'm currently truing to do the same thing
myself.
bccz Have you considered that maybe Mandrakesoft doesn't want postfix
to depend bccz on mysql by default, but *does* want to make it easy for
someone to build bccz the package with mysql support
No. It was a mistake. The mistake got corrected a few releases later.
Anyway postfix doesn't depend on mysql it only has a module in it
built to support mysql.
Which depends on MySQL, and can't be packaged seperately (AFAIK).
From:
http://cvs.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/SPECS/postfix/postfix.spec?rev=1.63content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
%define with_MYSQL 0
[...]
%if %{with_MYSQL}
Requires: MySQL, MySQL-client
BuildRequires: MySQL, MySQL-client, MySQL-devel
%endif
bccz All you need to do is:
bccz $ rpm --rebuild --with mysql postfix*.src.rpm
Yeah i know how to build rpm.
bccz No, it's in contrib, along with courier and binc and dovecot.
There was bccz resistance to having two IMAP servers in a desktop
distro. IMHO, we should bccz replace UW, and have Cyrus in main
(reclaiming the space sendmail wastes bccz ;-)).
Yeah I know it's in the contrib but we voted for it to be in the main.
And maybe if can be done for 10.0, and we can put UW in contrib? But you
have people upgrade from 9.1 to 9.2 and lose support for the IMAP server
they were using.
We are making progress, but it is slow, but it doesn't help if you
complain ...
bccz So, then why is cyrus-imapd in contrib now? Why are there people
who are bccz working on making it easier to set it up?
Yes I know that it is in the contrib thanks to the votes.
Look the main problem here is that some of us need some new features
which are not so common. If added they would not make any difference to
the most people. Most wouldn't even notice them but it would make a
great difference to some of us since it would be supported by
mandrake.
Example cyrus-sasl doesn't have a support for mysql or postgre.
If added this wouldn't make any difference to most of the people.
Most of the people don't even use it.
But it would make a great difference to me since the next time a
security patch is released I wouldn't have to go try the same process of
patching building and testing. I don't have enough resources to keep all
of the old mandrake releases installed so I could build a few rpm when a
bug is found.
So, send your patches. If Florin won't take them directly (he often
doesn't manage to look at cyrus stuff), one of the Luca's will take a look
at it, or I will.
I needed LDAP support in samba-2.2.x, and since it couldn't be available
at run-time, I made it available at compile time. In samba3, xml and mysql
are optional at runtime, so I have provided the additional packages (and
hope to do the same for LDAP so the normal samba packages don't
necessarily need to depend on ldap).
Things *do* happen when the people who need them contribute ...
Maybe a moderated feature request list should be built for mandrake
developers as a reference point.
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/wiki
I meant to summarise some of the authentication-related aspects already,
but haven't had time.
New features are always welcome as long they don't affect stability.
bccz Please, post your bug numbers, otherwise there is no reason to
give any bccz credence to reports like this.
Already wasted to much time writing this. Don't have the time to go try
cooker archive.
OK, waste our time then ...
bccz Possibly in a bug report on the RC or similar. How else do you
make an bccz
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bccz Sometimes it is more effective to post a patch, and/or file a bug.
bccz Sometimes not.
Well i can't post a patch since I'm not really a coder. I can find my
way around C, perl, php but nothing special.
This sometimes bothers me greatly.
bccz But you seem to infer that only Mandrakesoft people are developers, and
bccz exclude yourself from possibly being a developer.
Even if I could i wouldn't want to be one.
I have contributed to a couple of projects as a test/bugfinder :)))
but that's it. I had a couple of good ideas that some people
implemented and that's enough for me. I don't think that on this list
anybody considered anything that I suggested.
For example find a message with a subject:
[Cooker] Lilo + software raid 1 +xfs + lvm curent disfuncionality and
nex release sugesstion
or [Cooker] Lilo Installation bug
It's the same message just a different subject.
I haven't had the time to test this with 9.2 but i bet that this
wasn't fixed.
Haven't had a single reply. This was a significant bug.
People like me don't have the time to get involved too much,
but sometimes we have some good ideas, we find some bugs
and we want them fixed since we don't know how or don't have enough
time to do it ourselves.
bccz I do. Do you?
Unfortunately I do. Some things i have to do myself since my
problem is unique. I have to build a firewall for my network since my
network is not ordinary. If i want a firewall for my home machine
i will use shorewall. Well probably not but you know what i mean.
bccz The question is, would the bugs be found in 9.2, or would people think
bccz 9.2 is just an RC, I will wait for 9.2.1, and then you end up in the
bccz same situation?
Possible. So lets wait a month or so and build 9.2.1. Or help me build
my own updated 9.2. There are a couple of threads on this list about
this but i haven't seen a good solution.
Those who packaged 9.2 could do it easily but
bccz %if %{with_MYSQL}
bccz Requires: MySQL, MySQL-client
bccz BuildRequires: MySQL, MySQL-client, MySQL-devel
bccz %endif
I see what you mean. But this is nonsense. If postfix has a module for
mysql why should postfix depend on mysql if it doesn't affect its core
functionality. If you want to use this particular feature its obvious
that you are going to install mysql. Do you get what i mean ?
bccz And maybe if can be done for 10.0, and we can put UW in contrib? But you
bccz have people upgrade from 9.1 to 9.2 and lose support for the IMAP server
bccz they were using.
Provide both. Like with postfix and sendmail they are both on the
first cd. Not enough cds ? Well maybe its time for 4th.
bccz We are making progress, but it is slow, but it doesn't help if you
bccz complain ...
It doesn't have to be slow. And what should I do.
Post something like this:
Hi guys, you are doing a great job, you are the greatest in the whole
universe but could you please do me a little favour and put postgre
support in cyrus-sasl ? Please don't get offended if I disturbed you
in some more important work ?
Maybe to sarcastic but you get the point.
If you don't complain and bitch about it nothing will change, or it
will change but really slowly.
Belive me I know. I live in a fucked up country. You have to stand up
and say it or everything stays the same.
bccz So, send your patches. If Florin won't take them directly (he often
bccz doesn't manage to look at cyrus stuff), one of the Luca's will take a look
bccz at it, or I will.
Great if i manage to do it properly i will send it to you.
bccz I needed LDAP support in samba-2.2.x, and since it couldn't be available
bccz at run-time, I made it available at compile time. In samba3, xml and mysql
bccz are optional at runtime, so I have provided the additional packages (and
bccz hope to do the same for LDAP so the normal samba packages don't
bccz necessarily need to depend on ldap).
Great If I knew how i would do the same for cyrus.
bccz Things *do* happen when the people who need them contribute ...
If they know how.
bccz http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/wiki
Looks interesting.
bccz Usually this happens because of lack of time. Complaining doesn't help.
bccz Bug triaging, experimenting, patching etc do. (Of course, there are some
bccz bugs where fixes were provided but not fixed in the package, including the
bccz Lisa errata entry ...).
I don't have enough resources to do this. It may seem funny to you but
total bandwidth available to me is 512 kbit/s and I can't use all of
it since i have to be careful and think about my users whom are
currently bitching to me how internet is slow. It took me 6 days to
download 3 isos. Cooker would be too much not to mention rc-s.
Not to mention that my office workstation is my 4 year old home
computer. BTW know is 12:28 AM and I'm still at work.
bccz Well, your post indicates you have missed a lot of similar threads ...
Probably. I haven't read cooker list in a while and honestly I have
been a bit disappointed with it so .
bccz It normally is.
In theory. Maybe
[Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
All of the updates for 9.2 have an invalid gpg signature For example : rpm --checksig kernel-2.4.22.18mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm returns : kernel-2.4.22.18mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm: sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#22458a98) i even imported gpg key from https://www.mandrakesecure.net/RPM-GPG-KEYS same thing. I used fr2.rpmfind.net to download updates. Next : On this page http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/advisory.php?name=MDKA-2003:020 Mandrake says that all of the mandrakeclub commercial drivers are available. Quote: New commercial drivers for this kernel are available at Mandrake Club. Now my English is a bit rusty but this should mean that they are there wright NOW ! I don't see them here : http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/ByDate.html Next: After updating my system KDE lost its desktop and also menus. Deleting a user and adding it again didn't work. I wasn't even able to run rxvt since alt+f2 didn't work. Luckily there was menudrake in the menus so i restored the original menus. You people need a reality check. And some really heavy quality assuring since this is really unprofessional. I don't remember something like this happening before. Now desktop issues don't bother me really but if such obvious things are happening what is going to happen with nonobvious. I'm currently building a new firewall/ruter using 9.2 and I'm starting to question myself should i do it with 9.2. I can't afford such stupid things to happen on a central firewall in my network. Now how do you think this looks in the eyes of a desktop user ? It shoes that Mandrake is really unprofessional. It's no wonder that people look at me weird when a say that i use Mandrake for all of my servers. Maybe I should try some other distribution but since i have been using Mandrake since 7.0 or so it would be really sad. Just my 0.2 $.
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
On Friday 24 October 2003 09:55 am, Galileo wrote: All of the updates for 9.2 have an invalid gpg signature For example : rpm --checksig kernel-2.4.22.18mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm returns : kernel-2.4.22.18mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm: sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#22458a98) i even imported gpg key from https://www.mandrakesecure.net/RPM-GPG-KEYS same thing. I used fr2.rpmfind.net to download updates. Next : On this page http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/advisory.php?name=MDKA-2003:020 Mandrake says that all of the mandrakeclub commercial drivers are available. Quote: New commercial drivers for this kernel are available at Mandrake Club. Now my English is a bit rusty but this should mean that they are there wright NOW ! I don't see them here : http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/ByDate.html um they are. Maybe you didn't look right at the top of the page but listed right there are drivers for ati, nvidia, winmodems and whatnot else. Next: After updating my system KDE lost its desktop and also menus. Deleting a user and adding it again didn't work. I wasn't even able to run rxvt since alt+f2 didn't work. Luckily there was menudrake in the menus so i restored the original menus. um yes this does happen but the updates fix this. On the downside they also trigger this so you are left having to do ctrl-alt-f1 or so login as root and type update-menus -v. The downside is it deletes all the links off of kicker also and they dont come back. You people need a reality check. And some really heavy quality assuring since this is really unprofessional. I don't remember something like this happening before. Now desktop issues don't bother me really but if such obvious things are happening what is going to happen with nonobvious. I'm currently building a new firewall/ruter using 9.2 and I'm starting to question myself should i do it with 9.2. yes it's fine i have one setup already and it is working very well. the server stuff is top notch. I can't afford such stupid things to happen on a central firewall in my network. I run quite a few clients on mine and have them setup for the local newspaper also which experienced a hard drive failure and is actually running cooker from a few weeks after rc2. It is doing duty as a firewall just fine. Now how do you think this looks in the eyes of a desktop user ? It shoes that Mandrake is really unprofessional. It's no wonder that people look at me weird when a say that i use Mandrake for all of my servers. well for the redhat versions that give you the nice server stuff that mandrake does it will cost you between 1500 - 2500. I find the mandrake servers are in higher usage and the powerpack includes more or less the same stuff you have to pay much more for if you would run suse or redhat. If you want older packages but that are tried and tested more mandrake also makes a server version for much more but if you want a lower cost with the same amount of functionality redhat and suse don't even have anything that will compete with mandrake. Maybe I should try some other distribution but since i have been using Mandrake since 7.0 or so it would be really sad. Just my 0.2 $. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
On Friday 24 October 2003 01:20 pm, Brook Humphrey wrote: On this page http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/advisory.php?name=MDKA-2003:0 20 Mandrake says that all of the mandrakeclub commercial drivers are available. Quote: New commercial drivers for this kernel are available at Mandrake Club. Now my English is a bit rusty but this should mean that they are there wright NOW ! I don't see them here : http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/ByDate.html um they are. Maybe you didn't look right at the top of the page but listed right there are drivers for ati, nvidia, winmodems and whatnot else. Those are the ones for the original kernel, not the updated ones that are referred to on the security advisory page. He is right, they are not there. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx
Re[2]: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
BH um they are. Maybe you didn't look right at the top of the page but listed BH right there are drivers for ati, nvidia, winmodems and whatnot else. Let see: http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/NVIDIA_kernel-2.4.22.10mdk-4496-2mdk.i586.html kernel-2.4.22.10mdk this is the old kernel, new is 18 So no new drivers. It doesn't matter to me really but it if you read on one page that they should be there then they should be there. BH um yes this does happen but the updates fix this. On the downside they also BH trigger this so you are left having to do ctrl-alt-f1 or so login as root and BH type update-menus -v. The downside is it deletes all the links off of kicker BH also and they dont come back. Imagine this happening to a newbee. He would be lost totally and would say this mandrake thing is a piece of crap. BH well for the redhat versions that give you the nice server stuff that mandrake BH does it will cost you between 1500 - 2500. I find the mandrake servers are in BH higher usage and the powerpack includes more or less the same stuff you have BH to pay much more for if you would run suse or redhat. I know that's probably the reason that I have been using mandrake all this time. Don't get me wrong I like mandrake really but that is why these kind of things get me really mad. Most people don't know that Mandrake is much better server distribution that RH. For example under RH iptables doesn't know how to autoprobe for ip_conntrack_ftp for example. Under ML all is automated. But I repeat this kind of stuff leave a very bad impression to people who are not familiar with ML.
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
On Friday 24 October 2003 10:52 am, Galileo wrote: kernel-2.4.22.10mdk this is the old kernel, new is 18 So no new drivers. It doesn't matter to me really but it if you read on one page that they should be there then they should be there. ok I understand now BH um yes this does happen but the updates fix this. On the downside they also BH trigger this so you are left having to do ctrl-alt-f1 or so login as root and BH type update-menus -v. The downside is it deletes all the links off of kicker BH also and they dont come back. Imagine this happening to a newbee. He would be lost totally and would say this mandrake thing is a piece of crap. hm yes and even with the updates I just noticed some items are not showing up properly until I update-menus from a terminal but at least they are not all disappearing anymore. BH well for the redhat versions that give you the nice server stuff that mandrake BH does it will cost you between 1500 - 2500. I find the mandrake servers are in BH higher usage and the powerpack includes more or less the same stuff you have BH to pay much more for if you would run suse or redhat. I know that's probably the reason that I have been using mandrake all this time. Don't get me wrong I like mandrake really but that is why these kind of things get me really mad. Most people don't know that Mandrake is much better server distribution that RH. For example under RH iptables doesn't know how to autoprobe for ip_conntrack_ftp for example. Under ML all is automated. But I repeat this kind of stuff leave a very bad impression to people who are not familiar with ML. Yes I agree. but I still use mandrake because the other options are so well bad. And yes if mandrake only looks bad then that is enough to scare them off. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
Next : On this page http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/advisory.php?name=MDKA-2003:020 Mandrake says that all of the mandrakeclub commercial drivers are available. Quote: New commercial drivers for this kernel are available at Mandrake Club. Now my English is a bit rusty but this should mean that they are there wright NOW ! I don't see them here : http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/ByDate.html Maybe you have an old page cached, but at least all the NVidia kernel packages have been updated. I hope the ATI and winmodem drivers could also be updated, if not I will do at least the ltmodem drivers (but if Mandrakesoft isn't going to take care of this they could at least make the SRPMS available to contributors - my NVIDIA and ltmodem packages have been done mostly from scratch). BTW, this is better than 9.1, where Mandrakesoft did not update any of the proprietary kernel modules, and Club contributors did it all. Also, it would be nice if we could be warned in advance for some updates, as if I had known .18mdk would be the kernel update, I could have had win4lin kernel updates out at the same time, instead I built packages yesterday (remotely) and haven't had a chance to test them yet ... although Netraverse has released some but their packages have some issues . After updating my system KDE lost its desktop and also menus. Deleting a user and adding it again didn't work. I wasn't even able to run rxvt since alt+f2 didn't work. Luckily there was menudrake in the menus so i restored the original menus. You people need a reality check. I don't think so. I think the current problem is not enough resources (ie more people sending patches, maintaining packages would help). And some really heavy quality assuring since this is really unprofessional. I don't remember something like this happening before. Yes, Redhat didn't manage to stuff rpm up this badly before ... Now desktop issues don't bother me really but if such obvious things are happening what is going to happen with nonobvious. I'm currently building a new firewall/ruter using 9.2 and I'm starting to question myself should i do it with 9.2. I can't afford such stupid things to happen on a central firewall in my network. If you're going to use shorewall, get Florin's updated packages. Now how do you think this looks in the eyes of a desktop user ? It shoes that Mandrake is really unprofessional. I haven't seen the menu problem on my cooker box, so I don't agree. And I think the fact that many bugs have been fixed by updates so fast is a good thing. It's no wonder that people look at me weird when a say that i use Mandrake for all of my servers. Most people are just clueless, and run Redhat because everyone else does, Debian because they think they don't need newer software releases, or Gentoo because they think that cool compile flags will really make their firewall run faster. Maybe I should try some other distribution but since i have been using Mandrake since 7.0 or so it would be really sad. Instead of dissing a distro you have significant investment in, maybe you could actually help to improve it? Many of us do, and that is one reason why it *is* actually worthwhile. Oh yes, of course you should always read the errata before installing. And maybe someone needs to add the menu issue to it for now. BTW, doesn't logging out and back in fix it? update-menus should be run from /etc/X11/xinit.d I think?
Re: [(nowhere)] [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
On Fri Oct 24, 2003 at 07:18:30PM +, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
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Subject: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
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All of the updates for 9.2 have an invalid gpg signature
For example :
rpm --checksig kernel-2.4.22.18mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm
returns :
kernel-2.4.22.18mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm: sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS:
GPG#22458a98)
i even imported gpg key from https://www.mandrakesecure.net/RPM-GPG-KEYS
same thing.
I used fr2.rpmfind.net to download updates.
How did you import the key? Did you do it using gpg?
If so, then you really need to learn how to use urpmi. urpmi will import
the key for you. You also need to use rpm to import the key since rpm
manages the keys internally now instead of using gpg.
Next :
On this page
http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/advisory.php?name=MDKA-2003:020
Mandrake says that all of the mandrakeclub commercial drivers are
available.
Quote:
New commercial drivers for this kernel are available at Mandrake
Club.
Now my English is a bit rusty but this should mean that they are there
wright NOW !
I don't see them here :
http://rpms.mandrakeclub.com/rpms/MandrakeClub/comm/9.2/i586/ByDate.html
The nvidia rpms should be up by now or very shortly... waiting on the Club
webmaster for that. The ATI ones will be up as soon as I obtain the srpms.
Next:
After updating my system KDE lost its desktop and also menus.
Deleting a user and adding it again didn't work.
I wasn't even able to run rxvt since alt+f2 didn't work.
Luckily there was menudrake in the menus so i restored the original
menus.
No one in testing experienced this, so I'm not sure what the problem was.
Perhaps you just needed to run update-menus as root... there seems to be
an issue with rpm not always running this, although it hasn't been confirmed
yet.
You people need a reality check. And some really heavy quality
assuring since this is really unprofessional. I don't remember
something like this happening before.
Now desktop issues don't bother me really but if such obvious things
are happening what is going to happen with nonobvious.
Well, let's see. The first issue was user error. The second issue is a
matter of mirroring and timing, and the third issue... well, that's really
the only issue.
I'm currently building a new firewall/ruter using 9.2 and I'm starting
to question myself should i do it with 9.2.
I can't afford such stupid things to happen on a central firewall in my
network.
Well, the obvious response here is to check the hands behind the keyboard.
=) That would have solved your first problem and, really, is the only one
that would affect your firewall/ruter.
Now how do you think this looks in the eyes of a desktop user ?
It shoes that Mandrake is really unprofessional.
It's no wonder that people look at me weird when a say that i use
Mandrake for all of my servers.
Maybe I should try some other distribution but since i have been using
Mandrake since 7.0 or so it would be really sad.
Just my 0.2 $.
Not even bothering to respond to the rest.
--
MandrakeSoft Security; http://www.mandrakesecure.net/
Online Security Resource Book; http://linsec.ca/
lynx -source http://linsec.ca/vdanen.asc | gpg --import
{FE6F2AFD : 88D8 0D23 8D4B 3407 5BD7 66F9 2043 D0E5 FE6F 2AFD}
pgp0.pgp
Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
On Friday 24 October 2003 03:48 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people are just clueless, and run Redhat because everyone else does, Debian because they think they don't need newer software releases, or Gentoo because they think that cool compile flags will really make their firewall run faster. yes so true. Maybe I should try some other distribution but since i have been using Mandrake since 7.0 or so it would be really sad. Instead of dissing a distro you have significant investment in, maybe you could actually help to improve it? Many of us do, and that is one reason why it *is* actually worthwhile. Oh yes, of course you should always read the errata before installing. And maybe someone needs to add the menu issue to it for now. BTW, doesn't logging out and back in fix it? update-menus should be run from /etc/X11/xinit.d I think? no it does not. I'm not sure why you dont see it but almost every system here that I install has this issue to one degree or another. It does not matter weather I use my own home grown cd's or if I use the 3 cd powerpack from the club I get he same issues. To make matters even worse the updates dont exactly fix the issue with the updates at least things dont disappear anymore but new apps are not added to the menus either. -- -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~- Brook Humphrey Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 http://www.webmedic.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Holiness unto the Lord -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-
Re[2]: [(nowhere)] [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
VD How did you import the key? Did you do it using gpg? rpm --import RPM-GPG-KEYS from : https://www.mandrakesecure.net/RPM-GPG-KEYS VD If so, then you really need to learn how to use urpmi. urpmi will import VD the key for you. You also need to use rpm to import the key since rpm VD manages the keys internally now instead of using gpg. Lets see: rpm --checksig /Install/Mandrake/RPMS/kernel-2.4.22.10mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm /Install/Mandrake/RPMS/kernel-2.4.22.10mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm: (sha1) dsa sha1 md5 gpg OK rpm --checksig /Install/Mandrake/Update/kernel-2.4.22.18mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm /Install/Mandrake/Update/kernel-2.4.22.18mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm: sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#22458a98) rpm -qa gpg-pubkey* gpg-pubkey-70771ff3-3c8f768f gpg-pubkey-70771ff3-3c8f768f gpg-pubkey-70771ff3-3969e7de Do I know how to use rpm/urpmi VD The nvidia rpms should be up by now or very shortly... waiting on the Club VD webmaster for that. The ATI ones will be up as soon as I obtain the srpms. yeah they are there know. After 24h or more. If you are a company and make a public statement that something could be found on your site on that url etc. it should be there. VD No one in testing experienced this, so I'm not sure what the problem was. VD Perhaps you just needed to run update-menus as root... there seems to be VD an issue with rpm not always running this, although it hasn't been confirmed VD yet. Just. Imagine telling that to a newbee ? VD Well, let's see. The first issue was user error. Really then please do tell me how to do it properly. I have used it before but it seems that this time I made a mistake. even if I don't know how to import gpg key why the hell should I do it anyway. A signature is imported after install that's why I don't get any error when with non update packages. VD The second issue is a VD matter of mirroring and timing, This should not happen to a company. If this happened to Debian then its ok. They are not a company MANDRAKE IS !!! VD and the third issue... well, that's really VD the only issue. I'm so glad that we agree on that one. I'm currently building a new firewall/ruter using 9.2 and I'm starting to question myself should i do it with 9.2. I can't afford such stupid things to happen on a central firewall in my network. VD Well, the obvious response here is to check the hands behind the keyboard. VD =) That would have solved your first problem and, really, is the only one VD that would affect your firewall/ruter. I better not reply to this. Now how do you think this looks in the eyes of a desktop user ? It shoes that Mandrake is really unprofessional. VD Not even bothering to respond to the rest. Well you should. Desktop users are primary group of Mandrake customers.
Re: [(nowhere)] [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
On Friday 24 October 2003 04:19 pm, Vincent Danen wrote: The nvidia rpms should be up by now or very shortly... waiting on the Club webmaster for that. The ATI ones will be up as soon as I obtain the srpms. Are we going to see the club_com_i586_9.2 hdlist updated so these will be available in rpmdrake or urpmi? -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx
Re[2]: [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
bccz Maybe you have an old page cached, but at least all the NVidia kernel bccz packages have been updated. I hope the ATI and winmodem drivers could also I know how to check for a page in cache. It wasn't it. bccz BTW, this is better than 9.1, where Mandrakesoft did not update any of the bccz proprietary kernel modules, and Club contributors did it all. True. bccz I don't think so. I think the current problem is not enough resources (ie bccz more people sending patches, maintaining packages would help). Well that's mandrakesofts problem. If they don't have enough money to hire people they should ask for more volunteers. bccz If you're going to use shorewall, get Florin's updated packages. Shorewall is a nice but when you have to build a firewall for network which has 150+ users and 15+ classes of users that won't do. bccz I haven't seen the menu problem on my cooker box, so I don't agree. And I bccz think the fact that many bugs have been fixed by updates so fast is a good bccz thing. Well if you haven't seen it a loot of others have. Don't get me wrong updates are always good but they also show that 9.2 wasn't tested enough. bccz Most people are just clueless, and run Redhat because everyone else does, bccz Instead of dissing a distro you have significant investment in, maybe you bccz could actually help to improve it? Many of us do, and that is one reason bccz why it *is* actually worthwhile. O now you really got me going. Well let see. I few years ago I needed postfix with mysql support. postfix in mandrake didn't have it. I downloaded srpm and found that mysql was in but switch in spec file wasn't activated. It took quite a while for a new package to appear. Even one security update was released but the switch wasn't activated. Once more i had to build it myself. What's the big deal? I had to avoid using automatic update procedure since it would break my mail server. Next: The same time I needed cyrus-imapd but no mandrake didn't have it. Strange it was in 7.0/7.1. let me check. I pull from the closet my old powerpacks and see that cyrus imapd was inside. Ok again the same thing. I make a cyrus-imapd rpm. Test it for a few days. everything is ok. After 2 years it's still working happily. After some time I clean that spec file and send it cooker list. Just wonted to help out. Nobody cares. 2 years later cyrus-imapd still is not in standard set. I wasted all of my votes on it as so many others did but nobody listens to us. The newest msn chat client or some other crap is probably more important. Next: a couple of posts concerning bugs missing functionality etc. all passed by nobody cared. Next: mandrakeclub been a member since it was made. It wasn't worth the money but still I'm a member. Why ? because I want to help. It looks like nobody cares. bccz Oh yes, of course you should always read the errata before installing. And bccz maybe someone needs to add the menu issue to it for now. How is errata being built. Some user has complained that that is not working. Lets look at a sample of current errata. At the end of install update is not possible. Reality check - nobody bothered to check. Really ugly. Fix : Format a floppy disk with a DOS filesystem (in Linux, you can use the command mkdosfs /dev/fd0). Copy patch.pl to the floppy disk. Remove the floppy and reboot using the Mandrake Linux 9.2 CD1 to do a CD-ROM installation. During boot, press F1 at the splash screen, then place your floppy disk that contains patch.pl in the floppy drive. At the prompt, type patch, then follow the installation as usual. Now i have to carry a floppy with me. How inconvenient.
Re: [(nowhere)] [Cooker] 9.2 Updates a total mess
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Galileo wrote: | rpm --checksig /Install/Mandrake/Update/kernel-2.4.22.18mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm | /Install/Mandrake/Update/kernel-2.4.22.18mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm: sha1 md5 (GPG) NOT OK (MISSING KEYS: GPG#22458a98) | | rpm -qa gpg-pubkey* | gpg-pubkey-70771ff3-3c8f768f | gpg-pubkey-70771ff3-3c8f768f | gpg-pubkey-70771ff3-3969e7de | | Do I know how to use rpm/urpmi Well, obviously something went wrong, because you have one key twice and one is missing. For me the output is : rpm -qa gpg-pubkey* gpg-pubkey-22458a98-3969e7de gpg-pubkey-9b4a4024-3874ddfb gpg-pubkey-70771ff3-3c8f768f The first key is the one you are missing. Jan - -- Jan Ciger VRlab EPFL Switzerland GPG public key : http://www.keyserver.net/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/mdXWn11XseNj94gRAm78AJ9IoMu4k4yyUY8BmXofKLY/8omnoQCfe0VU UVsD5QtFAYSD+2aehwJuamQ= =eybX -END PGP SIGNATURE-
