Re: [Cooker] Idea for future iso's
Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With all the complaining about missing packages (i.e. kernel-source package) and the debate about what should have been left out instead (i.e. emacs or alternate kernels, etc.) I had a thought that might be helpful. Obviously, in order to make everybody happy, the number of images needs to be increased, I was thinking that isos could be created for the base distro, say two, and then supplemental isos for gaming/eyecandy/mm stuff, development stuff, and then international/localizations packages. That way I would not be forced to download four big images to get what I want, I could just download the base and the development image for instance, and skip the games and the localization disk. So I see 5 images, and maybe one or two are not completely full, but at least everything will be included. WDYT? I am convinced that this is the good way, giving more to people so that they give back more to us. Unfortunately this model has not been proven yet, and people are more easily convinced that given a less complete download version could lead to more financial streams tower other costing product. A compromise would be to give those 2 base ISOs for free and let club members have access to 3 more specific complementary ISOs. -- Warly
Re: [Cooker] Idea for future iso's
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 10:22, Warly wrote: Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snipped] So I see 5 images, and maybe one or two are not completely full, but at least everything will be included. WDYT? I am convinced that this is the good way, giving more to people so that they give back more to us. Unfortunately this model has not been proven yet, and people are more easily convinced that given a less complete download version could lead to more financial streams tower other costing product. A compromise would be to give those 2 base ISOs for free and let club members have access to 3 more specific complementary ISOs. I have joined the club, but would prefer to see it as a subscription service. ie. I automatically get shipped either the CDs, or a DVD. What you get would depend on your subscription level. Silver: CDs or DVD Gold: CDs, DVD manual etc... I'd like to able to change my sig to Mandrake Linux Subscriber (Silver) instead of MandrakeClub Silver Member If mandrake moved more strongly to a subscription service, then maybe releases could be made when they are ready, rather than at a specific date. This could ensure that we don't have some of the silly problems that are plaguing 9.2 -- John Allen, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MandrakeClub Silver Member.
Re: [Cooker] Idea for future iso's
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:22, Warly wrote: A compromise would be to give those 2 base ISOs for free and let club members have access to 3 more specific complementary ISOs. Only 3? (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Idea for future iso's
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 05:22 am, Warly wrote: Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With all the complaining about missing packages (i.e. kernel-source package) and the debate about what should have been left out instead (i.e. emacs or alternate kernels, etc.) I had a thought that might be helpful. Obviously, in order to make everybody happy, the number of images needs to be increased, I was thinking that isos could be created for the base distro, say two, and then supplemental isos for gaming/eyecandy/mm stuff, development stuff, and then international/localizations packages. That way I would not be forced to download four big images to get what I want, I could just download the base and the development image for instance, and skip the games and the localization disk. So I see 5 images, and maybe one or two are not completely full, but at least everything will be included. WDYT? I am convinced that this is the good way, giving more to people so that they give back more to us. Unfortunately this model has not been proven yet, and people are more easily convinced that given a less complete download version could lead to more financial streams tower other costing product. A compromise would be to give those 2 base ISOs for free and let club members have access to 3 more specific complementary ISOs. I don't disagree with you, and I am not commenting on the revenue model used, just the distribution model. If we skinny back the download edition to 2 images and then provide the balance through the Club, I'd be for that. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx
Re: [Cooker] Idea for future iso's
John Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If mandrake moved more strongly to a subscription service, then maybe releases could be made when they are ready, rather than at a specific date. This could ensure that we don't have some of the silly problems that are plaguing 9.2 whatever time you put for freezing/stabilizing, there'll always be bugs because there're just too much things involved in the distros. what's more, if that time last too much, people keep going on: why not included XYZ-3.3 which was just released and has so much nice bugfixes and new features which result in either people tired of debugging the same stuff or stabilizing work trashed because of an update. and anyway, too much people actually only test latest rcs and complain too late (when final is out) because they do not want to test earliers betas or rcs (they should be too buggy; let other people look for bugs)
[Cooker] Idea for future iso's
With all the complaining about missing packages (i.e. kernel-source package) and the debate about what should have been left out instead (i.e. emacs or alternate kernels, etc.) I had a thought that might be helpful. Obviously, in order to make everybody happy, the number of images needs to be increased, I was thinking that isos could be created for the base distro, say two, and then supplemental isos for gaming/eyecandy/mm stuff, development stuff, and then international/localizations packages. That way I would not be forced to download four big images to get what I want, I could just download the base and the development image for instance, and skip the games and the localization disk. So I see 5 images, and maybe one or two are not completely full, but at least everything will be included. WDYT? -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx
Re: [Cooker] Idea for future iso's
, 21 2003, 15:45,Greg Meyer: With all the complaining about missing packages (i.e. kernel-source package) and the debate about what should have been left out instead (i.e. emacs or alternate kernels, etc.) I had a thought that might be helpful. Obviously, in order to make everybody happy, the number of images needs to be increased, I was thinking that isos could be created for the base distro, say two, and then supplemental isos for gaming/eyecandy/mm stuff, development stuff, and then international/localizations packages. That way I would not be forced to download four big images to get what I want, I could just download the base and the development image for instance, and skip the games and the localization disk. So I see 5 images, and maybe one or two are not completely full, but at least everything will be included. WDYT? you mean actually dedicating each ISO to a separate section? one for i18n? one for devel? one for servers? one for docs? wow... great idea... -- diego, 26 Tishrey 5764 Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: [Cooker] Idea for future iso's
On Tuesday 21 October 2003 01:30 pm, Diego Iastrubni wrote: , 21 2003, 15:45,Greg Meyer: With all the complaining about missing packages (i.e. kernel-source package) and the debate about what should have been left out instead (i.e. emacs or alternate kernels, etc.) I had a thought that might be helpful. Obviously, in order to make everybody happy, the number of images needs to be increased, I was thinking that isos could be created for the base distro, say two, and then supplemental isos for gaming/eyecandy/mm stuff, development stuff, and then international/localizations packages. That way I would not be forced to download four big images to get what I want, I could just download the base and the development image for instance, and skip the games and the localization disk. So I see 5 images, and maybe one or two are not completely full, but at least everything will be included. WDYT? you mean actually dedicating each ISO to a separate section? one for i18n? one for devel? one for servers? one for docs? wow... great idea... Yes, something like that. I have not done any research on the actual sizes of the packages and where you would do the split, but perhaps this could be a better way of making sure that everything gets in without requiring everyone to download all the isos. I was thinking along the lines of Base distro - 2 images Development stuff - 1 image games/eyecandy/multimedia stuff - 1 image i18n - 1 image -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx
