Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Visiting Tyrone and County Donegal in March to research Ancestors

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Patrick,

You will need to give us some details on which Hagertys and O'Donnells are
yours.

These are all Hagerty-O'Donnell marriages in Donegal, none came up in
Tyrone:

Action Source Surname First Name Year County
View Civil Marriage Hegarty Edward 1864 Co. Donegal
View Church Marriage Hegarty Thomas 1868 Co. Donegal
View Civil Marriage Hegarty Thomas 1868 Co. Donegal
View Civil Marriage Hegarty Patrick 1876 Co. Donegal
View Church Marriage Hegarty Elizabeth 1887 Co. Donegal
View Civil Marriage Hegarty John 1893 Co. Donegal
View Church Marriage Hegarty Michael 1894 Co. Donegal
View Church Marriage Hegarty Frances 1897 Co. Donegal
View Church Marriage Hegarty Bridgit 1899 Co. Donegal
View Civil Marriage Haggerty Denis 1905 Co. Donegal
View Civil Marriage Hegarty Mary 1910 Co. Donegal
View Civil Marriage Hegarty James 1912 Co. Donegal
View Civil Marriage Hegarty William John 1915 Co. Donegal

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On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 19:39, patrick woodcock via CoTyroneList <
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> My wife and I are going to Ireland in march.  While there, we will be
> visiting County Tyrone and County Donegal.  I’m trying to find additional
> information on
> My Ancestor’s, Specifically the Hagerty and O’Donnell lineage.  I believe
> some family member’s lived in Omagh.
>
> Any help with these family names as well as places I should see while in
> the area would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Best regards,
> Patrick Woodcock
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hood and Fulton families of Newtownstewart

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Hi Bruce,

I am assuming that Samuel Hood was connected to the Hoods who owned the
large department store in Newtownstewart and is therefore a well known and
relatively wealthy branch of the Hoods.

Back in 2016, I researched the "minor" branches of Hoods from the
surrounding area, specifically Robert Hood of Lisnafin and James Hood of
Tyrmegan, for a lady in the US.  You will find both of these men in the
Griffiths Valuation.  I found no connection to the Hoods of Newtownstewart,
although, of course, there must have been some connection going back into
the mists of the 18th century.

I have copied this post to your email address so if you get back to me
privately, I will put you in touch with Kathleen and she can share whatever
I found if she so wishes.

Regards,

Boyd

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On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 at 08:14, Bruce Newport via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> I have just joined your mailing list.
>
> A friend sent me a copy of the COTYRONEIRELAND Digest, Vol 10, Issue 174,
> 16 August 2015.
>
> It referred to Elizabeth HOOD, daughter of Samuel HOOD, Main Street,
> Newtownstewart, Co Tyrone, who married John ARBERY of Ottery, St Mary,
> Devon, in Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia in 1876, posted by Len SWINDLEY.
>
> There were further messages from Barbara VAUGHAN, K COOPER and Diana.
>
> That Elizabeth HOOD is my 2xgreat-aunt and I have a substantial tree of
> her ancestry and extended family.
>
> I am currently compiling trees of the HOOD families from Newtownstewart
> using genealogical records and DNA information, together with the FULTON
> family of Droit and other associated families.
> I would greatly appreciate contact from anyone else related to those
> families.
>
> Bruce Newport, Melbourne, Australia.
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Black and Hillman

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Hi Bill,

Unfortunately there are at least six James Blacks living in Tyrone in the
Griffiths Valuation of 1859, which records every head of household.  This
means you need some more clues.

There will be no civil birth for Alexander, which would be a clincher as
Alexander is a much less common name, because civil registration only began
in 1845.  And there are no births to a couple called Black and Hillman
after 1864, which might have been possible if Alexander had been an early
child.

Nor will there be a marriage because I am assuming Alexander was not
married, aged 20, when he left for Canada.  There are three marriages of a
James Black between the start of civil registration of marriages in 1845
and the birth of Alexander in 1851 but none to a Mary Hillman.

But you probably know all of this.

Is there no indication of the parish or other place name from whence
Alexander came in any of his Canadian records?

Regards,

Boyd

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On Fri, 29 Mar 2019 at 14:07, Lynton Stewart via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> I am searching for any evidence of a James Black (believed to have been
> born in Scotland), living in County Tyrone around 1848-1871.
>
> He had a son, Alexander Black, who was born in August, 1851.  Alexander
> emigrated to Canada in 1871, reportedly as a "Remittance Man", paid an
> annual sum NOT to return to Ireland.  He was an active member of the Orange
> Order in Canada, so I would presume that his father was also. In Canada,
> Alexander used the surname of Hillman-Black, and said that his mother was
> Mary Hillman.
>
> He sailed from Londonderry in April 1871, arriving in Quebec on May 2.
>
> I have searched the online Irish records, without success.
>
> I would greatly appreciate any information, or clues, to help me find the
> family of my paternal great-grandfather.
>
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Help needed marriage of Patrick Duffin, 1838, Donaghenry

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Patrick McQuinn and Ann Duffin are married .  And Patrick Duffin and
Francis McWigan are witnesses.  And McWigan is definitely the same as
McQuigan.  As McQuinn might be too.

Couldn't not try to help a Peggy Gordon even if she is not my darling.

B

On Mon, 25 Mar 2019, 02:33 Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList, <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Hello, I really need some help. I have found what may be the marriage
> record of Patrick Duffin in Donaghenry  Feb 22, 1838. Trouble is, I  am not
> sure if it is  his marriage or if he is a witness. The time is about right
> for his  marriage record. I have not been able to find the name of his wife
> previously and he is supposed to have had a daughter Sarah 1839-1841 and
> son Joseph abt 1842. These children are mentioned in his  will of 1896/7
> although his wife is not mentioned, and he was a widower at time of death.
> The baptism records are missing 1840-1849 although I may have found Sarah
> Jan 28, 1839,with no mother listed.
> The possible marriage record names Francis McWigan. Could that be the same
> as McQuigan?
> Microfilm 05583 / 02
>  |
> Page 115
> Donaghenry; County of Tyrone; Archdiocese of Armagh. Marriages, Feb. 1838
> to Nov. 1838
> Thanks for any help
> Peggy
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Henderson Family Notes, Cos. Tyrone, Donegal & Londonderry

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Apposite timing, Len, I am just working on a Henderson feasibility study
and searching newspapers is never a first priority for that as it is so
difficult to extract each morsel.

Just one quibble with all those "Esquires", I doubt my dirt poor
farmers in Carnteel are going to feature large!

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On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 at 10:54, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Henderson Family Notes, Co. Tyrone 1823-70
>  *- updated*
>
> *Henderson Family Notes, Co. Londonderry 1831-70
> *
>
> *Henderson Family Notes, Co. Donegal 1830-70
> *
>
> *Thanks again to Len Swindley for THREE more great additions to CTI!*
>
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList need help

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Christine,

I am assuming both sets married in England.  Do you have their marriage
certs?  We need to know the names of the fathers.  Even then, it will be
very difficult without something more to go on than Tyrone because there
are no Civil Births before 1864.  But at least a name of the father, and
better still, a place, would enable us to look in the Griffiths Valuation
land survey of the 1850s.

Omagh as a place of birth is probably spurious, something that comes from a
very old LDS database because very few people were actually born "IN" Omagh
as opposed to the Omagh area.  And it is not a registration district
because, as i said, it is pre civil registration.

So, more clues needed, I think.

Regards,

Boyd

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 16:28, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Hello Christine - posting a message on this Mailing List is the correct
> method of seeking assistance; HOWEVER please in future delete all the
> non-pertinent text from the email so we don't overload everyone's email
> unnecessarily
>
> As for Searches, it's really simple!  Just go to our homepage at
> CoTyroneIreland.com; then near the top of the page you will see two large
> icons - one is to search the Every Name Database which we are building;
> however, since it is not fully completed, you may need to use the Search
> Hub icon to the right.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Good luck
> Jim
> Jim McKane
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>
>
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:57 AM Christine migala via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not entirely clear on how to ask for help with information or do my
>> own searches on the website. Please advise. Thank you, Christine.
>>
>> Our family left Ireland presumably for work and food. My father's people
>> left for America, my mother's people headed to England.
>> I have been looking for more information on these two sets:
>>
>> Charles McGinn
>> BIRTH ABT. 1846 • Omagh, Tyrone, Ireland
>> DEATH JUN 1891 • Durham, Tyne and Wear, United Kingdom
>> 2nd great-grandfather
>> married to
>> Mary Hamilton
>> BIRTH 11 JAN 1847 • Omagh, Tyrone, Ireland
>> DEATH AFTER 1911
>>
>> and
>>
>> Cornelius O'Kane
>> BIRTH 1842 • Ballybraddin, Loughguile, Co. Antrim, Ireland
>> DEATH 1919 • Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
>> great-grandfather
>> married to
>> Margaret McConnell
>> 1855–1903
>> BIRTH 1855 • Tarland, Antrim, Ireland
>> DEATH 1903 • Tynemouth, Northumberland
>> great-grandmother
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Using a researcher

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Hi Margaret,

I am a "researcher" currently working on a project very similar to the one
you describe.  And after weeks of research, I have not found that magical
"smoking gun" which you seem to desire.  Thankfully, I am not being
expected to do so and I made that clear at the start when I offered to
help.  It is as simple as this.  If the records do not exist, no amount of
research, by anyone other than a magic fairy, is ever going to find that
definitive link for which you seek.  In the end, it will all come down to
probabilities.  If you have researched every birth, marriage and death,
every land record from the Tithe Applotment Books, through the Griffiths
Valuation AND beyond through the Griffiths Valuation Revision Books,
through their overlap with the censuses and right through to their end
circa 1930, then you will have sufficient sense of the family in that area
to know whether they are your folks, to withing 80% or 90% degree of
certainty.  But you can not expect even a professional researcher to magic
up a record which does not exist.

Just like you, we found a Christopher Irwin, but not the Christopher Irwin
who emigrated to Ontario in 1850 because this Christopher Irwin was still
in Co Tyrone when he died in 1906.  But, we have done enough work on this
branch of the Irwins, compared to other Irwins from County Tyrone, which
was the only clue given by Canadian records, to be reasonably sure we have
the right Irwins.  But no smoking gun.  No family bible.  No record from a
list of sources which simply does not exist.  No researcher with a magic
wand.  If you need to know what sources are actually available, have a look
here at the helpful hints, workshop videos, sources and links:
https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/

That is the reality.

Keep researching, do not give up, but do not look for the impossible
though, who knows you may strike lucky and find that mythicak family
bible.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Boyd

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2018 at 21:42, margaret marion via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> I have grown more and more frustrated with my research in Northern
> Ireland.  Has anyone ever used a researcher?  Was it a good experience?
> Can anyone recommend someone?
> I have done my research for Samuel Armstrong born 1811 and his son William
> born 1852, Tyrone, Northern Ireland.
> I have done Griffith's Valuation and the census from 1901 and 1911.
> I centered on the Armstrong's of Sixmilecross.  I went there because in
> Griffith's Valuation, they had a Samuel Armstrong.
> I now know that it is not my Samuel Armstrong.  I figure he came to Canada
> in 1860 - 1862.
> The Samuel Armstrong of Sixmilecross is present right into the late
> 1800's.
> this is what frustrated me to the most.
> I have done the family tree for the Armstrong's of Sixmilecross back to
> 1797 with Isaac Armstrong, father Francis, I believe, but not lots of proof.
> My own guess is Samuel is a younger brother of Isaac.  But absolutely no
> proof.
> Hence the reason I am thinking of getting a researcher for a bit.
> Any advice would be appreciated.
> Margaret Marion
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] William IRWIN

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Gr. "That is because most Irwins were PROTESTANT ( not Catholic)
but not all."

On Sun, 2 Dec 2018, 14:37 Boyd Gray  Hi David,
>
> I am currently researching the Irwins of Claremore, Parish of Clogher,
> County Tyrone, who also emigrated to Ontario.  But since they came from
> Clogher, that means they are NOT your Irwins.  Except for the fact that we
> are not 100% sure our Irwins did come from Clogher and you do not seem too
> sure that yours came from Ardboe (Arboe?) because Ardboe is not the same
> place as Castlederg and if they came from one, it is highly unlikely they
> also came from the other.  (I live in this part of the world and my Grays
> are NOT related to the all the other Grays in County Tyrone!)  I should
> also add that I have never heard of Benbeg and it is not in this list of
> townlands for County Tyrone:
> https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/
>
> So, the point of my response to you, David, is that you really need to
> work on the following points in order to make progress with your research:
>
> 1.  You need something, anything, from their lives in Canada, to give you
> a place name to work with in your research.  Why Ardboe?  Why Castlederg?
> It is really unlikely to be both.  What evidence do you have from Canada,
> or England, not just the discovery of similar names in Ireland?  Canadian
> deaths, and especially Ontario deaths, often give the place where people
> were born and also, perhaps even more helpfully, the names of both parents
> including the mother's maiden name.  English 19th century censuses may also
> be more helpful.
>
> 2.  If the older William was born between 1820 and 1830, it is likely he
> married after 1845 and that is when Protestant marriages were first
> recorded by the civil authorities here in Ireland and those records are
> online.  So, you need to know the name of his wife and look for that
> marriage.  It is unlikely the younger William and his brother Robert were
> born before 1864, so you will not find their civil births because they only
> started being recorded in 1864.  That is a task for church records and they
> are NOT online so cannot be researched at the click of a mouse.
> Incidentally, I am assuming they were Protestant (Church of Ireland,
> Presbyterian or Methodist typically).  That is because most Irwins were
> Catholic but not all.  So, you need to establish that first.  Catholic
> church records ARE online.
>
> If you can answer these questions, then get back to us and I am sure
> people will be able to help.
>
> You might also consider checking with this group to see if they know of
> any Ardboes or Benbegs near Castlederg:
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/castledergfamilyhistorysociety/
> (Actually, I did it for you so you can go there and see what they say.)
>
> Regards,
>
> Boyd
>
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>
>
>
> On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 at 12:58, David Irwin via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
>> Please can you post the following on the Co Tyrone message board?
>>
>>
>>
>> I am researching William IRWIN, b1820-30ish near Ardboe in Co Tyrone. My
>> understanding is that he had two sons, William and Robert who both
>> emigrated to England in the late 1800s. However I think William (the
>> father) emigrated to Huron County, Ontario Canada and died there in 1889.
>> The family may also have spent the early part of their time in Northern
>> Ireland in the Castlederg or Benbeg areas. I would be delighted to hear
>> from anyone who can add to the story please, particularly as my father
>> William (yes another one!) and a direct descendant has recently passed
>> away. Thank you
>>
>>
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> David
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] William IRWIN

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Hi David,

I am currently researching the Irwins of Claremore, Parish of Clogher,
County Tyrone, who also emigrated to Ontario.  But since they came from
Clogher, that means they are NOT your Irwins.  Except for the fact that we
are not 100% sure our Irwins did come from Clogher and you do not seem too
sure that yours came from Ardboe (Arboe?) because Ardboe is not the same
place as Castlederg and if they came from one, it is highly unlikely they
also came from the other.  (I live in this part of the world and my Grays
are NOT related to the all the other Grays in County Tyrone!)  I should
also add that I have never heard of Benbeg and it is not in this list of
townlands for County Tyrone:
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/

So, the point of my response to you, David, is that you really need to work
on the following points in order to make progress with your research:

1.  You need something, anything, from their lives in Canada, to give you a
place name to work with in your research.  Why Ardboe?  Why Castlederg?  It
is really unlikely to be both.  What evidence do you have from Canada, or
England, not just the discovery of similar names in Ireland?  Canadian
deaths, and especially Ontario deaths, often give the place where people
were born and also, perhaps even more helpfully, the names of both parents
including the mother's maiden name.  English 19th century censuses may also
be more helpful.

2.  If the older William was born between 1820 and 1830, it is likely he
married after 1845 and that is when Protestant marriages were first
recorded by the civil authorities here in Ireland and those records are
online.  So, you need to know the name of his wife and look for that
marriage.  It is unlikely the younger William and his brother Robert were
born before 1864, so you will not find their civil births because they only
started being recorded in 1864.  That is a task for church records and they
are NOT online so cannot be researched at the click of a mouse.
Incidentally, I am assuming they were Protestant (Church of Ireland,
Presbyterian or Methodist typically).  That is because most Irwins were
Catholic but not all.  So, you need to establish that first.  Catholic
church records ARE online.

If you can answer these questions, then get back to us and I am sure people
will be able to help.

You might also consider checking with this group to see if they know of any
Ardboes or Benbegs near Castlederg:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/castledergfamilyhistorysociety/
(Actually, I did it for you so you can go there and see what they say.)

Regards,

Boyd

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https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/

http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/




On Sun, 2 Dec 2018 at 12:58, David Irwin via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Please can you post the following on the Co Tyrone message board?
>
>
>
> I am researching William IRWIN, b1820-30ish near Ardboe in Co Tyrone. My
> understanding is that he had two sons, William and Robert who both
> emigrated to England in the late 1800s. However I think William (the
> father) emigrated to Huron County, Ontario Canada and died there in 1889.
> The family may also have spent the early part of their time in Northern
> Ireland in the Castlederg or Benbeg areas. I would be delighted to hear
> from anyone who can add to the story please, particularly as my father
> William (yes another one!) and a direct descendant has recently passed
> away. Thank you
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
> David
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Knox and Patton Families: Clady Presbyterian Church, Ardstraw Parish Marriages 1845-68

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Hi Marsha,

Apologies for not responding sooner but I only just noticed this thread.

I have researched both the Knox family of Glentimon and the Patton family
of Seein extensively for two Americans who will be "cousins" of yours  and
I am sure they will be happy to share when I contact them.  Both visited
me, Margaret Kuska in 2015 and Patton Adams earlier this summer.  If you
check out my West Ulster Genealogy Facebook page, you will see reports of
both research projects plus the visits of Margaret and Patton.

On the Knox family especially I have a very large collection of data.
Walter Knox, who had at least 8 siblings, was the son of a James Knox,
1772-1852, who married Martha Wilson, grandson of Walter Knox, who married
Margaret McCrea, great grandson of Robert Knox, born c1710.  This family
has a huge connection around Sion Mills; they married into the Woods
family, who now own the land.  Walter had at least two children, James
Patton Knox, who married Minnie Young and John Knox, who married Rose
Cunningham, both brothers living in Iowa at the time.

I have less on the Pattons because I never tied these Pattons into the
Pattons I was researching.  However, Walter's father, James Patton,
1795-1870, held Plot 8 in Seein, of circa 33 acres, where he lived along
with an Eliza Patton, possibly his mother.

Please feel free to contact me direct.

Regards,

Boyd

https://www.westulstergenealogy.com/

https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/

http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/



On 11 August 2018 at 17:21, Dave Mitchell via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Hello Marsha
>
>
>
> Just to add another snippet to your Knox-Patton relationship (just in case
> it may assist) ….
>
>
>
> PRONI lists the will for Letitia Patton of Ballymagorry (died 27 June
> 1928), the wife of Patrick Patton, retired farmer.
>
>
>
> Under her maiden name, she is mentioned as “Letitia Chambers” in the will
> of her uncle John Knox at Drumenny (died 3 November 1898).  It would appear
> that her mother was a Knox from a family at Urney (and also Drumenny), also
> that Letitia was a niece of Rev. Robert Knox, Linenhall Street, Belfast,
> and a granddaughter of Hugh Knox of Urney (lived at Stephenstown), the
> longstanding church elder who died at Urney on 2 July 1852.
>
>
>
> Should this help you, please do drop me a line.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> David Mitchell
>
> Cape Town
>
> South Africa
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CoTyroneList  *On
> Behalf Of *Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
> *Sent:* 09 August 2018 01:35 PM
> *To:* Marsha Heaston 
> *Cc:* Len Swindley ;
> CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com
> *Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Knox and Patton Families: Clady
> Presbyterian Church, Ardstraw Parish Marriages 1845-68
>
>
>
> Hello Marsha,
>
>
>
> There are several of my files on CoTyroneIreland.com
> http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ that contain a great amount of data on
> your KNOX and PATTON forebears. The townlands of Glentimon and Sion (spelt
> variously) are both located in Urney Parish:
>
>
>
> TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK URNEY PARISH 1825-27 http://www.cotyroneireland.
> com/tithe/urney_tithe.html
>
>
>
> SPINNING WHEEL BOUNTY LIST URNEY PARISH 1796 INDEXED
> http://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/spinning-wheel-URNEY.html
>
>
>
> URNEY PRESBYTERIAN STIPEND PAYERS AND PEW HOLDERS 1862
> http://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/urney_stipend.html
>
>
>
> URNEY PRESBYTERIAN MARRIAGES 1845-71 http://www.cotyroneireland.
> com/marriages/urney.html
>
>
>
> URNEY PARISH MARRIAGE ANNOUNCEMENTS 1826-69 http://www.cotyroneireland.
> com/marriages/UrneyMarriages.html
>
>
>
> URNEY PARISH DEATH ANNOUNCEMENTS 1826-69 http://www.cotyroneireland.
> com/burial/urney.html
>
>
>
> KNOX FAMILY NOTES CO. TYRONE http://www.cotyroneireland.
> com/surnames/knox.html
>
>
>
> ABERCORN ESTATE RENTAL FOR THE MANOR OF STRABANE 1806
> http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/abercorn_strabane2.html
>
>
>
> There will be several further files that should prove useful, but those
> above contain the greatest amount of data. And many thanks for your kind
> sentiments; I enjoy receiving messages from researchers who have benefitted
> from my submissions. Good luck searching the above records and regards,
>
>
>
> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
>
> Volunteer transcriber and submitter of records to CoTyroneIreland.com
> http://www.cotyroneireland.com/
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Marsha Heaston 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 9, 2018 2:26:02 AM
> *To:* len_swind...@hotmail.com
> *Subject:* Clady Presbyterian Church, Ardstraw Parish Marriages 1845-68
>
>
>
> Dear Sir,
>
>
>
> I would like to thank you for transcribing these records.  From this
> transcription I learned where my Great, great Grandfather lived in
> Ireland.  It continues to be a journey to find him in the US.  Apparently
> his wife left and returned to Ireland 

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 215, Issue 1

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Tee hee born 1850, no wonder I could not find him.  He was hardly "a
child" when he emigrated in 1880!!

So, here is his Philly death cert:

Name: Rev James Trainor
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age: 59
Birth Date: 1856
Birth Place: Ireland
Death Date: 18 Jan 1916
Death Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Father: James Trainor
Mother: Mary Mc Carron
Certificate Number: 14012

with the details such as mother's maiden name, needed to help locate
him in Ireland, except that he was born before civil records began in 1864,
which complicates matters.

Luckily, RootsIreland has the records for his local church online, so here
is his baptism:

 Church Baptism Record
Name: James Trenor Date of Birth:
  Date of Baptism: 26-Nov-1854
Address: Seskinore Parish/District: BERAGH
Gender: Unknown County TYRONE
Father: James Trenor Mother: Mary Mccarron
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Daniel
Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Margaret Gallagher

And here is his father in the GV:

Griffith's Valuation Record Information
Tenant
Family Name 1 TRAYNOR
Forename 1 JAMES
Landlord
Family Name 2 MCCLINTOCK
Forename 2 GEORGE P.
Location
County TYRONE
Barony OMAGH, EAST
Union OMAGH
Parish CLOGHERNY
Townland SESKINORE
Place Name SESKINORE
Place Type TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page 4
Printing Date 1860
Act 15&16
Sheet Number 43,51
Map Reference 38
James Traynor senior had a small 8 acre farm.

And that means, you can find exactly where he lived using the maps at :

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

Now, if you want to find out if he had family left in the area, you need to
start chasing up those Tranors using the GVRBs and then the two censuses of
1901 and 1911.

Hope this helps, Patricia.

Boyd

https://www.westulstergenealogy.com/

https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/

http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/



On 16 July 2018 at 16:26, Barbara Finizia via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Philadelphia Inquirer
> Sunday, Jan 02, 1916
> Philadelphia, PA
> Vol: 174
> Issue: 2
> Page: 14
>
> Is his obit Patricia
> If you need a copy Patricia I will copy
>
> Barbara
>
> James F Trainor
> Born 1850
> Ordained 1881
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:01 AM, dm60--- via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pati
>>
>> One of the gurus at the Ulster Historical Foundation (or still linked to
>> the UHF) is Dr Brian Trainor, one time head of PRONI.
>>
>> Can't  be much on Trainor in Ireland that Brian hasn't encountered or
>> dabbled with in his extensive career!
>>
>> Warm regards
>>
>>
>> Dave Mitchell
>> UGHG No.202
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Mary Redline via CoTyroneList" > >
>> *To: *cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
>> *Cc: *"Mary Redline" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 16, 2018 03:47:07 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 215, Issue
>> 1
>>
>> Dear Patricia:
>>
>> Did you try contacting the archdiocese in Philadelphia to see if they
>> have any files or additional information for him?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Patricia Trainor Link via CoTyroneList <
>> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>
>> To: cotyronelist 
>> Cc: patiandbutch 
>> Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 8:29 am
>> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 215, Issue 1
>>
>> Help!
>>I have written to 3 parishes in Tyrone, Omagh, trying to locate the
>> family of:
>>  James Trainor who left Omagh as a child circa 1880 with family for
>> the USA via Cobh. Settled in Philadelphia. James became a Monsignor in the
>> Philadelphia archdiocese.
>>   Haven't heard anything. Suggestions?
>> Pati Trainor Link
>>  A
>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
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>> Men and Armes in the Barony of Clogher (Jim McKane)
>> 3. CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Wilson Family Notes, Co.
>> Tyrone 1823-79 - updated (Jim McKane)
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 215, Issue 1

[Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList]

Coming up empty here, Patricia.

I cannot find any such birth registered in Omagh Reg Dist and I cannot find
James in the 1900 or 1910 US Fed Census, to see what details he gives, nor
in Philly deaths, which are usually so helpful.  Do you have any more
details on him.  Names of parents?  Death date?  Siblings?

Boyd

https://www.westulstergenealogy.com/

https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/

http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/



On 16 July 2018 at 13:28, Patricia Trainor Link via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Help!
>I have written to 3 parishes in Tyrone, Omagh, trying to locate the
> family of:
>  James Trainor who left Omagh as a child circa 1880 with family for
> the USA via Cobh. Settled in Philadelphia. James became a Monsignor in the
> Philadelphia archdiocese.
>   Haven't heard anything. Suggestions?
>
> Pati Trainor Link
>  A
>
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> --
> On Sunday, July 15, 2018 cotyronelist-request <
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> - Sir William Stewart, Knight, Undertaker of 4, 000 acres: His
> Men and Armes in the Barony of Clogher (Jim McKane)
> 3. CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Wilson Family Notes, Co.
> Tyrone 1823-79 - updated (Jim McKane)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 14:40:19 -0400
> From: Jim McKane 
> To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List"
> 
> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Volunteers Indexing
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> Hi Listers -
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> We have a great group of volunteers working in indexing for the new
> database. I want to thank them for coming forward.
>
> Of course, if you have a little spare time and energy, we could sure use
> more assistance.
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> Have a GREAT weekend,
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> Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content -
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> Tyrone Muster Rolls, 1631 - Sir William Stewart, Knight, Undertaker of
> 4,000 acres: His Men and Armes in the Barony of Clogher
> 
>
> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!
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> Jim McKane
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> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!
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