Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Fwd: Meehan family information

[Len Swindley via CoTyroneList]

Absolutely wonderful Elwyn. A brilliant expose of past times
Regards
Len Swindley

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From: Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList
Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2019 7:14 PM
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You won’t get a birth certificate for Michael Meehan because his birth was long 
before the start of statutory birth certificates in Ireland (1864). Prior to 
1864 we generally rely on church records but in this case if he was born near 
Carrickmore (Termonmaguirk parish) in 1831, their baptisms don’t start till 
1834, so there won’t be a baptism record to find. So you probably won’t find 
any documentary record of his birth or baptism.

Family in 1901 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Athenree/Tremoge/1747785/

I see births for sons John on 26.5.1873, James on 8.6.1878 and daughter Alice 
on 17.9.1867 (where mother’s maiden name is recorded as Morrow). Mary Meenan’s 
death was registered in Omagh 8.7.1900 aged 50.

You can view the above certificates free on the irishgenealogy site  
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie save for John’s in 1873 which appears in 
the indexes but isn’t on the website. In that case you best bet is probably to 
view it on the GRONI website. They do appear to hold a copy there.

I searched for the 3rd son’s birth but did not find it. Could it have been pre 
1864 Ie before statutory registration)? In which case you would need to rely on 
church records. The Carrickmore parish records for 1834 to 1857 are on-line on 
the nli site but the records for 1858 onwards are not. So if the marriage and 
the birth of the first son fell in the period 1858 to 1863, then the church has 
the only copy.

Note that in both the 1901 census and the various statutory records I have 
referred to, the surname is recorded as Meenan not Meehan.

Michael Meenan’s farm is listed in Griffiths Valuation for 1860. It was plot 
18a in Griffiths and was a 29 acre farm. That property today is near the 
junction of the Termon and Coolbrack roads, outside Pomeroy.

Griffith's Valuation


Griffith's Valuation




I notice Morris households in and around Tremoge so it's possible Michael 
married the girl next door.

I am sorry that the person responsible for the church records was not as 
helpful as they might have been. Churches here do get a lot of genealogical 
requests and, in my personal experience, there have been several unfortunate 
incidents involving people defacing entries and ripping pages out of registers 
for whatever reason. Since these are the original records some custodians are 
understandably cautious about others handling them.

It’s probably also worth trying to manage your expectations here. I think some 
people expect churches to hold lots of detailed records on their congregations. 
They usually don’t. The birth and marriage records are often all they have (for 
the 1800s anyway). Few RC churches kept burial records, and there was rarely a 
written record for graveyards of where people were buried. (The gravediggers 
and most of the population were largely illiterate. Written records were no use 
to them). The information on where families were buried was kept in people’s 
heads, but obviously was lost when they died or moved away.



Elwyn


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Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2019, 1:42
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From: Carrie Mahan 
Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2019, 8:03 AM
Subject: Meehan family information
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Seeking additional information on Michael Meehan and family.  Attended church 
at carrickmore, born 1831,  died 17 jan 1903. Visited church record keeper 
there,  who was less than forthcoming about giving out other records. Hope you 
will have other information.  These are the Meehans of tremoge. Michael was 
married to Margaret Morris and had 4 sons and a daughter.  Michael died in 
1903. Looking for original marriage records, birth certificates,  death 
certificates, and more information about Margaret morris. I only have 
information from Ancestry. Anything else would be appreciated. Thanks. Carrie 
Mahan 
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Fwd: Meehan family information

[Linley Hooper via CoTyroneList]

Hi - I have family called Meenagh or variants in Termonmaguirek/Carrickmore
- (Ellen who married n the 1830s or a little earlier who married a Hagan (&
variants) before 1835.
Linley

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 19:14, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> You won’t get a birth certificate for Michael Meehan because his birth was
> long before the start of statutory birth certificates in Ireland (1864).
> Prior to 1864 we generally rely on church records but in this case if he
> was born near Carrickmore (Termonmaguirk parish) in 1831, their baptisms
> don’t start till 1834, so there won’t be a baptism record to find. So you
> probably won’t find any documentary record of his birth or baptism.
>
> Family in 1901 census:
>
>
> http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Athenree/Tremoge/1747785/
>
> I see births for sons John on 26.5.1873, James on 8.6.1878 and daughter
> Alice on 17.9.1867 (where mother’s maiden name is recorded as Morrow). Mary
> Meenan’s death was registered in Omagh 8.7.1900 aged 50.
>
> You can view the above certificates free on the irishgenealogy site
> https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie save for John’s in 1873 which
> appears in the indexes but isn’t on the website. In that case you best bet
> is probably to view it on the GRONI website. They do appear to hold a copy
> there.
>
> I searched for the 3rd son’s birth but did not find it. Could it have
> been pre 1864 Ie before statutory registration)? In which case you would
> need to rely on church records. The Carrickmore parish records for 1834 to
> 1857 are on-line on the nli site but the records for 1858 onwards are not.
> So if the marriage and the birth of the first son fell in the period 1858
> to 1863, then the church has the only copy.
>
> Note that in both the 1901 census and the various statutory records I have
> referred to, the surname is recorded as Meenan not Meehan.
>
> Michael Meenan’s farm is listed in Griffiths Valuation for 1860. It was
> plot 18a in Griffiths and was a 29 acre farm. That property today is near
> the junction of the Termon and Coolbrack roads, outside Pomeroy.
>
> Griffith's Valuation
> 
>
> Griffith's Valuation
>
> 
>
>
>
> I notice Morris households in and around Tremoge so it's possible Michael
> married the girl next door.
>
> I am sorry that the person responsible for the church records was not as
> helpful as they might have been. Churches here do get a lot of genealogical
> requests and, in my personal experience, there have been several
> unfortunate incidents involving people defacing entries and ripping pages
> out of registers for whatever reason. Since these are the original records
> some custodians are understandably cautious about others handling them.
>
> It’s probably also worth trying to manage your expectations here. I think
> some people expect churches to hold lots of detailed records on their
> congregations. They usually don’t. The birth and marriage records are often
> all they have (for the 1800s anyway). Few RC churches kept burial records,
> and there was rarely a written record for graveyards of where people were
> buried. (The gravediggers and most of the population were largely
> illiterate. Written records were no use to them). The information on where
> families were buried was kept in people’s heads, but obviously was lost
> when they died or moved away.
>
>
>
> Elwyn
>
>
> --
> *From:* Carrie Mahan via CoTyroneList 
> *To:* cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
> *Cc:* Carrie Mahan 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 13 February 2019, 1:42
> *Subject:* [CoTyroneMailingList] Fwd: Meehan family information
>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: *Carrie Mahan* 
> Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2019, 8:03 AM
> Subject: Meehan family information
> To: 
>
>
> Seeking additional information on Michael Meehan and family.  Attended
> church at carrickmore, born 1831,  died 17 jan 1903. Visited church record
> keeper there,  who was less than forthcoming about giving out other
> records. Hope you will have other information.  These are the Meehans of
> tremoge. Michael was married to Margaret Morris and had 4 sons and a
> daughter.  Michael died in 1903. Looking for original marriage records,
> birth certificates,  death certificates, and more information about
> Margaret morris. I only have information from Ancestry. Anything else would
> be appreciated. Thanks. Carrie Mahan
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Fwd: Meehan family information

[Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList]

You won’t get a birth certificate forMichael Meehan because his birth was long 
before the start of statutory birthcertificates in Ireland (1864). Prior to 
1864 we generally rely on churchrecords but in this case if he was born near 
Carrickmore (Termonmaguirk parish)in 1831, their baptisms don’t start till 
1834, so there won’t be a baptismrecord to find. So you probably won’t find any 
documentary record of his birthor baptism.


 
Family in 1901 census:


 
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Athenree/Tremoge/1747785/


 
I see births for sons John on 26.5.1873,James on 8.6.1878 and daughter Alice on 
17.9.1867 (where mother’s maiden nameis recorded as Morrow). Mary Meenan’s 
death was registered in Omagh 8.7.1900aged 50.


 
You can view the above certificates free onthe irishgenealogy site  
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.iesave for John’s in 1873 which appears in 
the indexes but isn’t on the website.In that case you best bet is probably to 
view it on the GRONI website. They doappear to hold a copy there.


 
I searched for the 3rd son’sbirth but did not find it. Could it have been pre 
1864 Ie before statutoryregistration)? In which case you would need to rely on 
church records. TheCarrickmore parish records for 1834 to 1857 are on-line on 
the nli site but therecords for 1858 onwards are not. So if the marriage and 
the birth of the firstson fell in the period 1858 to 1863, then the church has 
the only copy.


 
Note that in both the 1901 census and thevarious statutory records I have 
referred to, the surname is recorded as Meenannot Meehan.


 
Michael Meenan’s farm is listed inGriffiths Valuation for 1860. It was plot 18a 
in Griffiths and was a 29 acrefarm. That property today is near the junction of 
the Termon and Coolbrackroads, outside Pomeroy.


 
Griffith's Valuation


  
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Griffith's Valuation
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I notice Morris households in and around Tremoge so it's possible Michael 
married the girl next door.
 
I am sorry that the person responsible forthe church records was not as helpful 
as they might have been. Churches here doget a lot of genealogical requests 
and, in my personal experience, there havebeen several unfortunate incidents 
involving people defacing entries andripping pages out of registers for 
whatever reason. Since these are theoriginal records some custodians are 
understandably cautious about othershandling them.


 
It’s probably also worth trying to manageyour expectations here. I think some 
people expect churches to hold lots ofdetailed records on their congregations. 
They usually don’t. The birth andmarriage records are often all they have (for 
the 1800s anyway). Few RCchurches kept burial records, and there was rarely a 
written record forgraveyards of where people were buried. (The gravediggers and 
most of thepopulation were largely illiterate. Written records were no use to 
them). Theinformation on where families were buried was kept in people’s heads, 
butobviously was lost when they died or moved away.


 

 

 
Elwyn



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Seeking additional information on Michael Meehan and family.  Attended church 
at carrickmore, born 1831,  died 17 jan 1903. Visited church record keeper 
there,  who was less than forthcoming about giving out other records. Hope you 
will have other information.  These are the Meehans of tremoge. Michael was 
married to Margaret Morris and had 4 sons and a daughter.  Michael died in 
1903. Looking for original marriage records, birth certificates,  death 
certificates, and more information about Margaret morris. I only have 
information from Ancestry. Anything else would be appreciated. Thanks. Carrie 
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