Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
Chris Berry wrote: From: Michael Bellears [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm getting good reports from people who use all three, so it looks like I'm going to have to go back and do some more research, see if there is some better criteria I can use to rule out one or two of them, thanks for the response. My suggestion would be to install/use them all. Why the heck would I want to do that? Sounds like alot of extra work. squirrelmail and sqwebmail are both available on rpm (though they conflict because of /var/www/html/webmail). IMP requires a little RTFM exercise. -Scott --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
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Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
Chris Berry wrote: I've been looking at sqwebmail and squirrelmail as possible candidates for setting up our webmail interface on top of qmail. Does anyone have a recommendation one way or the other? (preferably with some reasons why) I use both. SqWebMail for the speed, and GPG. SquirrelMail for the interface, and personalities (I use one system user for many email addresses and SqWebMail doesn't set Return-Path properly, so it's hard to reply to mailing lists). Mind you SquirrelMail is REALLY slow as it relies on IMAP access. And it doesn't even have the option to connect to IMAP-SSL, so I have to do extra rules to block external normal IMAP access. Things I don't like about SqWebMail - the 'default' interface. Yes I know I can change this, but some options are hardcoded still and cannot be changed. SquirrelMail has a template selection with premade templates already. I have to say though the speed issue is a big one with me, so once I figure out how to hack on sentit.sh to include the From field as a Return-Path then I'll be happy (it's probably trivial but I've had no time to check). Maybe I'll delve into the code and see if I can come up with patches to add personalities support for addition into the code - just to learn C first ;) /jesse --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 09:44:37AM -0500, Jesse Cablek wrote: SquirrelMail for the interface, and personalities (I use one system user for many email addresses and SqWebMail doesn't set Return-Path properly, so it's hard to reply to mailing lists). Setting a 'Return-Path' header won't actually achieve anything, because it will be instantly stripped off by the MTA. Only the final, delivering MTA is allowed to add a Return-Path header to the message. What you want is to set the envelope sender, MAIL FROM:..., and this is done using the -f option to sendmail: i.e. sendmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] sendit.sh does this already. I would guess your problem is that your MTA doesn't trust the Unix user which sqwebmail is running as, and therefore ignores the -f option. If your mails have a return path of [EMAIL PROTECTED] (and your webserver is running as user 'nobody') then that's a strong indication. How to fix this depends on your MTA. Sendmail would use the 'T' class, exim has 'trusted_users' or 'trusted_groups'; others on this list can tell you how to configure courier-MTA. Regards. Brian. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
Chris Berry wrote: I've been looking at sqwebmail and squirrelmail as possible candidates for setting up our webmail interface on top of qmail. Does anyone have a recommendation one way or the other? (preferably with some reasons why) This has been a burr in my bottom for a long time. I've tried both with users and squirrelmail has been much better received. Users liked the layout and control of squirrelmail over sqwebmail. Unfortunately squirrelmail doesn't have the excellent SQwebmail filter interface. What I'd like to see is squirrelmail with the sqwebmail filter interface then I could go strictly with one instead of both. If you can live without the filter interface, go with squirrelmail. For the record I use courier-mta and courier-imap, not qmail (anymore). -Scott --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/21/03 at 12:53 AM, James A Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thursday, Mar 20, 2003, at 20:34 US/Central, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - less risk of losing a 'reply' draft if you are a slow typist or take a phone call only to have your connection timed out (link it to the system editor for composition instead of using the built-in?, OR automatically do 'keep alive' in certain modes, OR ... suggestions that keep security up and aggravation down??). Just one of the points, and no guarantee this is feasible, but I think I can make a _suggestion_ for fixing it... This could (I suspect, but that's without *ever* having looked at the HTML source of the form, nor sqwebmail in general) probably be set up VERY easily with a simple time-out JavaScript function on the editing form's page. There's surely a Save as Draft action which I would presume can be triggered by such a JS time-out function. -- Then simply have an extra parameter passed to whatever result page is the target of the time-out, so that it knows to tell the user the draft message has been saved... you can find it in your drafts folder. Alternatively, it could submit the editing form back to itself (keeping the session active, and the data alive with minimal user interruption) after a JS time out... that is, if it's a matter of the server-based session being timed out *while* you're still working on data which concerns you. That would however initiate an infinitely-looping, never-dying, persistent user session if a browser window was merely left open inadvertently. -- So, maybe there would have to be a maximum number of auto-reloads to keep that out of the equation. Or maybe it could check the length of the auto-reloaded data and compare it to the previous length (stored in a separate form/JS field) and Save as Draft if 2 or 3 subsequent auto-reloads had the same exact length... and were therefore (presumably) caused by a session being left unattended. Hmm... ... Just some thoughts. Any comments? -jab Something can surely be done. While it is a simple setting in Squirrelmail, it *does* leave you with a session that can run indefinitely. Surely a hazard on a Cyber-Cafe machine if you have motored off w/o closing it Several of your suggestions are more attractive than that Bill Hacker --- This SF.net email is sponsored by:Crypto Challenge is now open! Get cracking and register here for some mind boggling fun and the chance of winning an Apple iPod: http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?thaw0031en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
Haven't tried this, but as they are browser-accessed, it should be possible to trial all three in parallel on the same server by assigning them non-standard ports, at least w/r a non-ssl trial. It would be less work and risk OTOH, to install all three, select one at a time to run for trials. Or do so on separate servers, if you have the resources. You *should* try the installation, use, and configuration maintenance before committing. Also be aware that if a user ticks more than two or three of Squirrelmail's anti-spam tools, it can take a *long* time to process an incoming message. Seems like about ten minutes if you pick *all* of the blacklists! At least it (mostly) affects no one else but that user... Bill Hacker In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/20/03 at 03:18 PM, Chris Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: From: Michael Bellears [EMAIL PROTECTED] That looked kind of difficult to setup, any particular reason you decided to go with that solution? I wouldn't say that it was difficult - There is an extremely helpful tutorial located here: http://www.geocities.com/oliversl/imp/ Once you have all the required prerequisites correctly configured, it is fairly trivial to setup. Reasons we went for Horde/Imp: Intuitive Interface (Plus it looks really nice!) Multitude of add-on modules (Contacts/Calendar/SpamAssassin/Tasks the list goes on: http://www.horde.org/projects.php) Active Development and support. Ability to Integrate with Multiple backends (SQL/LDAP etc). Scalability (http://www.horde.org/papers/Scalable_webmail_HOWTO.php) I'm getting good reports from people who use all three, so it looks like I'm going to have to go back and do some more research, see if there is some better criteria I can use to rule out one or two of them, thanks for the response. Chris Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Administrator JM Associates The packets involved in the transmission of this email were manually inspected by: Bob Smith, stateful packet inspector #23. _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users Regards, Bill Hacker -- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] William B. Hacker, III FHKIoD Managing Director Conducive Group (Asia) Limitedhttp://www.conducive.net --- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
From: Michael Bellears [EMAIL PROTECTED] That looked kind of difficult to setup, any particular reason you decided to go with that solution? I wouldn't say that it was difficult - There is an extremely helpful tutorial located here: http://www.geocities.com/oliversl/imp/ Once you have all the required prerequisites correctly configured, it is fairly trivial to setup. Reasons we went for Horde/Imp: Intuitive Interface (Plus it looks really nice!) Multitude of add-on modules (Contacts/Calendar/SpamAssassin/Tasks the list goes on: http://www.horde.org/projects.php) Active Development and support. Ability to Integrate with Multiple backends (SQL/LDAP etc). Scalability (http://www.horde.org/papers/Scalable_webmail_HOWTO.php) I'm getting good reports from people who use all three, so it looks like I'm going to have to go back and do some more research, see if there is some better criteria I can use to rule out one or two of them, thanks for the response. Chris Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Administrator JM Associates The packets involved in the transmission of this email were manually inspected by: Bob Smith, stateful packet inspector #23. _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
Jesse Keating wrote: On Thursday 20 March 2003 15:00, Scott wrote: I have some users who are keen to try anything but outlook for calendaring. Their needs are minor so I'm going to see if they like the squirrelmail calendaring system. Is it a shared calendar system? Can one user schedule things on another user's calendar and such? sqwebmail has this... The calendar that comes with squirrelmail is not the shared one. The shared calendar is downloadable from the squirrelmail at http://squirrelmail.sourceforge.net/plugin_view.php?id=105. The only module I had tons of trouble with was the SentSubfolders. It didn't display the sent subfolders properly and ended up causing more headache than it was intended to fix. I never bothered to find out if it was a courier or squirrelmail problem. -Scott --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
I'm getting good reports from people who use all three, so it looks like I'm going to have to go back and do some more research, see if there is some better criteria I can use to rule out one or two of them, thanks for the response. My suggestion would be to install/use them all. Regards, MB --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
My understanding was that sqwebmail used direct access through it's setuid access to read the Maildirs directly, thereby reducing server and localloop network load. It should be faster and run better for more users on a machine I think. Also, it's compiled C code, and that should count for something speed and resource wise as well... That being said, I too had to use something that had a few extra bells and whistles for users who liked them - though there are MANY cool things about sqwebmail (enough that it's on my list to try merging the best of both worlds at some point) Anyone else have comment? Thanks m/ --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
From: Mitch \(WebCob\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding was that sqwebmail used direct access through it's setuid access to read the Maildirs directly, thereby reducing server and localloop network load. Isnt' setuid usually a bad thing as it opens up all kinds of security holes? (though from what I hear PHP isn't exactly real secure either) It should be faster and run better for more users on a machine I think. Also, it's compiled C code, and that should count for something speed and resource wise as well... Thats a good thing speed wise, but makes it harder to modify. No offense but C is lower than I usually prefer to go, I'm more of a scripting kind of guy. (sure, I can do assembly, but why would I want to?) Chris Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Administrator JM Associates The packets involved in the transmission of this email were manually inspected by: Bob Smith, stateful packet inspector #23. _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
From: Michael Bellears [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm getting good reports from people who use all three, so it looks like I'm going to have to go back and do some more research, see if there is some better criteria I can use to rule out one or two of them, thanks for the response. My suggestion would be to install/use them all. Why the heck would I want to do that? Sounds like alot of extra work. Chris Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Administrator JM Associates The packets involved in the transmission of this email were manually inspected by: Bob Smith, stateful packet inspector #23. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
From: Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why the heck would I want to do that? Sounds like alot of extra work. squirrelmail and sqwebmail are both available on rpm (though they conflict because of /var/www/html/webmail). IMP requires a little RTFM exercise. Oh, you meant try them all out, I thought you meant run them all at the same time. Chris Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Administrator JM Associates The packets involved in the transmission of this email were manually inspected by: Bob Smith, stateful packet inspector #23. _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
My suggestion would be to install/use them all. Why the heck would I want to do that? Sounds like alot of extra work. At the end of the day, you are the person responsible for the support/maintenance of the system - We can give you advice based on personal experience, but you are the one that must be comfortable with the system you use. Therefore, I can't see how you can make a decision without _actually_ using/installing each one. MB --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
Chris Berry wrote: From: Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why the heck would I want to do that? Sounds like alot of extra work. squirrelmail and sqwebmail are both available on rpm (though they conflict because of /var/www/html/webmail). IMP requires a little RTFM exercise. Oh, you meant try them all out, I thought you meant run them all at the same time. I have run sqwebmail, squirrelmail, and IMP (though not anymore) together quite nicely. I currently have squirrelmail and sqwebmail running together harmoniously. -Scott --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
From: Michael Bellears [EMAIL PROTECTED] My suggestion would be to install/use them all. Why the heck would I want to do that? Sounds like alot of extra work. At the end of the day, you are the person responsible for the support/maintenance of the system - We can give you advice based on personal experience, but you are the one that must be comfortable with the system you use. Therefore, I can't see how you can make a decision without _actually_ using/installing each one. That's good advice, but not what I thought he meant. I have enough work setting up and running one of them, I thought he was recommending running all three simultaneously, which sounds like asking for trouble to me. Although my preliminary research shows that they all work which is the most important issue, if there were some obvious technical benefit or disadvantage, I wouldn't have needed to ask for opinions. For example, when choosing MTA's I went with qmail, while courier and postfix would also have been workable, for me the emphasis on paranoid security was the telling factor. So far I've the main response I've gotten is use sqwebmail, it's ugly, but everything else about it is great! Had a few responsdees who liked horde/imp or squirrelmail but definitely the minority. I'll know more in a day or two as the rest of the results trickle in and I take another look at sqwebmail, thanks for all the advice. Chris Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Administrator JM Associates The packets involved in the transmission of this email were manually inspected by: Bob Smith, stateful packet inspector #23. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
Quoting Chris Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | From: Michael Bellears [EMAIL PROTECTED] | I'm getting good reports from people who use all three, so it | looks like I'm | going to have to go back and do some more research, see if | there is some | better criteria I can use to rule out one or two of them, | thanks for the | response. | | My suggestion would be to install/use them all. | | Why the heck would I want to do that? Sounds like alot of extra work. That is probably the only way to make a sound decision;-) Not that any of us would have favorites or anything:-) You already have sqwebmail installed. IMO, it is solid and if all you want is webmail w/calendar and addressbook, it's great, but I also like the Horde project. I think it is very interesting. I've been using it for some time now (years). It has quite a few very good modules with more than enough bells and whistles and all well written. There is a private demo site that is running the latest version of the horde applications at hub.org put up and looked after by Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take a look at it. It might help you decide. The url is http://webmail.demo.hub.org I think. If not just go to the http://horde.org page and follow the demo links. There are also demos of stable versions but the head version is production quality, IMO, and a lot more goodies and easier to update. Good luck, ed - --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/21/03 at 01:13 PM, Michael Bellears [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: From which site Netscape and Mozilla *and* Lynx (FWIW) all get: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: _() in /usr/local/www/demo.hub.org/horde/config/registry.php on line 56 Well it is browser-independent anyway G But that 'demoed' all *I* need to know about it... http://webmail.demo.hub.org is bleeding edge. Suggest you check out the Stable version: http://demo.horde.org/stable/horde/imp/ Regards, MB Well that accepted a login. Redirected me to a blank page (Lynx and Mozilla) Netscape just said 'the document contained no data'. My point: It may or may not be a good product. But if the 'demo' site(s) is/are MS IE-specific, Java-dependent, over-cookied (it set TWO such), obtuse/counterintuitive, simply not well-maintained... any/all of the above... ...then I ain't even starting down *that* road of grief, as it telsl me thigns baout how the *rest* of the project is probably (mis)managed... Fair? Maybe not. But to quote 'Judge Roy Bean' If he wanted a chance he should have gone to some other town. Regards, Bill --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
Well that accepted a login. Redirected me to a blank page (Lynx and Mozilla) Netscape just said 'the document contained no data'. Don't you just love Murphy's Law!! My point: It may or may not be a good product. But if the 'demo' site(s) is/are MS IE-specific, Java-dependent, over-cookied (it set TWO such), obtuse/counterintuitive, simply not well-maintained... any/all of the above... I definitely see your point (Certainly valid, based on your current experience with Horde!), but let me assure you that the project(s) as a whole is/are professionally maintained/managed. ...then I ain't even starting down *that* road of grief, as it telsl me thigns baout how the *rest* of the project is probably (mis)managed... A tad pre-emptive - But we are all entitled to our own opinions! Regards, MB --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
RE: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 03/21/03 at 02:19 PM, Michael Bellears [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Well that accepted a login. Redirected me to a blank page (Lynx and Mozilla) Netscape just said 'the document contained no data'. Don't you just love Murphy's Law!! My point: It may or may not be a good product. But if the 'demo' site(s) is/are MS IE-specific, Java-dependent, over-cookied (it set TWO such), obtuse/counterintuitive, simply not well-maintained... any/all of the above... I definitely see your point (Certainly valid, based on your current experience with Horde!), but let me assure you that the project(s) as a whole is/are professionally maintained/managed. ...then I ain't even starting down *that* road of grief, as it telsl me thigns baout how the *rest* of the project is probably (mis)managed... A tad pre-emptive - But we are all entitled to our own opinions! Regards, MB Well... I later went in through their main site and read that they 'don't provide demo accounts', so presume you have to point their web-interface at yor *own* IMAP server. Not unreasonable, but DOUBT that I will run my UID PW through a third-party's web interface G.. (paranoid I yam..) Seems to me they *could* provide an account 'demo' with default folders that could only send messages to itself... destroy said folders and/or messages on exit, etc. But - I have other fish to fry, and Twig looks more interesting anyway Regards, Bill --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
Re: [courier-users] (sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail) on top of qmail
On Thursday, Mar 20, 2003, at 20:34 US/Central, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - less risk of losing a 'reply' draft if you are a slow typist or take a phone call only to have your connection timed out (link it to the system editor for composition instead of using the built-in?, OR automatically do 'keep alive' in certain modes, OR ... suggestions that keep security up and aggravation down??). Just one of the points, and no guarantee this is feasible, but I think I can make a _suggestion_ for fixing it... This could (I suspect, but that's without *ever* having looked at the HTML source of the form, nor sqwebmail in general) probably be set up VERY easily with a simple time-out JavaScript function on the editing form's page. There's surely a Save as Draft action which I would presume can be triggered by such a JS time-out function. -- Then simply have an extra parameter passed to whatever result page is the target of the time-out, so that it knows to tell the user the draft message has been saved... you can find it in your drafts folder. Alternatively, it could submit the editing form back to itself (keeping the session active, and the data alive with minimal user interruption) after a JS time out... that is, if it's a matter of the server-based session being timed out *while* you're still working on data which concerns you. That would however initiate an infinitely-looping, never-dying, persistent user session if a browser window was merely left open inadvertently. -- So, maybe there would have to be a maximum number of auto-reloads to keep that out of the equation. Or maybe it could check the length of the auto-reloaded data and compare it to the previous length (stored in a separate form/JS field) and Save as Draft if 2 or 3 subsequent auto-reloads had the same exact length... and were therefore (presumably) caused by a session being left unattended. Hmm... ... Just some thoughts. Any comments? -jab --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Tablet PC. Does your code think in ink? You could win a Tablet PC. Get a free Tablet PC hat just for playing. What are you waiting for? http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?micr5043en ___ courier-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-users
