Re: [css-d] absolute positioning
Good afternoon Angela, It was foretold that on 30/07/2010 @ 12:25:52 GMT-0700 (which was 16:25:52 where I live) Angela French would write: snipped a bit I'm being driving nuts by absolute positioning rendering between IE and FF. I just want to confirm what I think is correct about absolute positioning. My understanding is that an absolutely position element positions itself relative to its parent container. If the parent has not positioning, then it positions itself absolutely relative to the grandparent container, and so forth, up to the body. Is this correct? An absolutely positioned element is removed from the normal flow of the document and placed precisely at the co-ordinates specified by top,left, right or bottom. But what is the element absolutely positioned from? It is positioned absolutely from the top left hand corner of its containing block (i.e. its parent). The containing block of the positioned element is the nearest ancestor element which has a value for the property position other than static. If there is no ancestor then the containing block is the root element , which is the html element outside of all margins set on the body. So what this boils down to is that an element will be absolutely positioned from the top left of the viewport unless it is nested in another element that has a value for the property position other than static. e.g. position:relative or position:absolute. In these cases the element will position itself the specified amount from the top left of its parent elements. So the usual way to place an element in relation to its parent is to give the parent a position:relative without co-ordinates which keeps the parent in the flow of the document. The nested child element will then takes its absolute positioning co-ordinates using the parents top left co-ordinates as its starting point. If i'm mistaken, i'm sure somebody here will correct me :-) -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Page shift on loading - IE6 (auto-expansion bug?)
Good evening list, IE6 does a page shift on load and on refresh. Is this some auto-expansion bug in IE6? http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/GrupoMP/Pages/home1.html http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/GrupoMP/Styles/Grupomain.css -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. People will pay more to be entertained than educated. - Johnny Carson. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Page shift on loading - IE6 (auto-expansion bug?)
Good evening David,
It was foretold that
on 01/09/2009 @ 21:41:18 GMT-0400 (which was 22:41:18 where I live)
David Laakso would write:
snipped a bit
The page is wider in IE/6.
Dunno. But, try this and see if it helps:
Desperado,
no go i'm afraid
#container { border: 1px dashed fuchsia; }-- :: compliant browsers
get fuchsia ::
* html #container {
border: 1px dashed lime; -- :: IE/6 gets lime ::
overflow-y: /*visible*/hidden; -- :: amend to read hidden ::
height: 1%;
}
PS Do you give those truckers flashlights so they can read that page?
Well, clients' wishes ;-)
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[css-d] collapsing margin blues
Hello list, I know this should be simple but it seems i have a collapsing margin issue and can't seem to solve it. The image just won't go down Page: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/GrupoMP/Pages/Contact_success.php Css: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/GrupoMP/Styles/Grupomain.css Any hints for these tired eyes? -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] collapsing margin blues
Hello David, It was foretold that on 29/08/2009 @ 00:48:37 GMT-0400 (which was 01:48:37 where I live) David Laakso would write: oops, sorry for that: tested in opera 9, IE6 on XP pro I give up. You got a hint? For those of us who don't have a crystal ball, in exactly what OS, and exactly what browser, will the image not down? -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. A Flatterer is a man that tells you your opinion and not his own. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] collapsing margin blues
Hello list, Skip my problem please just noticed the problem: setting a padding resolved it. It's getting way to late for me.. Please forgive me for wasting somebodies (David?) time :-) -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Home is where you hang your @ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 and percentages
Hello Philippe,
It was foretold that
on 19/08/2009 @ 14:54:36 GMT+0900 (which was 02:54:36 where I live)
Philippe Wittenbergh would write:
snipped a bit
Philippe, sorry for the late reply.
Okay, removing the block makes it a bit better in IE6 but triggers
another problem in IE6: when hoving over the thumbnails the whole page
gets shifted.
And i tried the zoom trick but still the big image is distorted.
Guess i'm up against something that's impossible with IE6 ...
http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/GrupoMP/Pages/Frotacop4.html
Actually, scrap that, you have a little issue with this:
* html #maincontainer * { position: relative; zoom:1; }
/* __everything__ has pos. relative */
remove that block and only apply 'zoom' to specific elements.
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[css-d] IE6 and percentages
Good evening list, A few days ago i posted a problem with a gallery i had in a liquid lay-out. Our friend David provided me with a good alternative (originally post: gallery in liquid lay-out: can of worms). However, for my own learning experience i experimented a bit and got some initial result where, when you resize the viewport, the gallery and the bigger image on hover, is contained within it's container and the image resizes. For this i used a percentage as the image width because i couldn't get the desired results with ems. Now, in opera it works fairly well but IE6 well, shocking effect: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/GrupoMP/Pages/Frotacop4.html css embedded. Is this some IE6 bug or does IE6 really chokes on percentages in this case? -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. You need a witness when you get married. Just like when you have an accident or a duel… - Sacha Guitry - French actor __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE6 and percentages
For those who already took a look: i did the unspeakable: posting without validating first. HTML now validates. Css doesn't because of the IE stuff. Sorry about that guys and girls. But the problem still exists. -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Observe your enemies for they first find out your faults. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] gallery in liquid lay-out: can of worms
Good evening David,
It was foretold that
on 15/08/2009 @ 16:53:25 GMT-0400 (which was 17:53:25 where I live)
David Laakso would write:
What prevents the large image from sliding all the way across, and
beneath, all the thumbs is that you forgot to add left: 0; in #thumbs
a:hover img {...}.
Oops... good catch David :-)
The image distortion and maintaining proportionality of the images as
the window size decreases is yet another matter. Easy to do if the image
dimension is not hard-coded. However, I did not find a way -- perhaps
someone else will --to do this and still maintain the image
functionality on-hover.
Well, opera has a distortion but is nearly not as bad as in IE6:
that's just painful to see.
If i feed IE6 a fixed width with the star html hack it plays nice
but messes the positioning up.
Giving the big images a fixed dimension (width and height) doesn't
work of course when resizing the viewport unless i give the container
a fixed width, with a result it will cover the right column.
So, unless somebody knows a solution i'll go with your solution: works
for IE6 also :-). I'm sure i'll have no hard time to 'convince' the
client in the slight change of lay-out ;-).
Tnx for the help!!
If you can change the mark-up, the possibility of a different -- yet
functional -- image gallery is possible. Set a fixed width and height
for the parent block and the large images. And move that block from the
center column, to beneath all 3 colums. I only checked this quickly in
FF. Seems to hold in a 640 window. You will need to adjust the position
of this paragraph:
pPara ampliar as fotos, passe o mouse sobre as miniaturas./p
Please see:
http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/y.htm
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[css-d] gallery in liquid lay-out: can of worms
Hello list, Problem page: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/GrupoMP/Pages/Frotacop2.html Css embedded. Desired result: i'm looking to keep the big image on hover to be centred inside the gallery when resizing the viewport to a smaller viewport. Problems i'm encountering: image is distorted and not centred. The #thumbs.bigpix class to have the first image always displayed also doesn't kick in. The gallery styles are at the end of the css. TIA!! -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.2.6 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Envy plus rhetoric equals social justice. - Thomas Sowell. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] percentage bug IE6
Good evening Georg, It was foretold that on 09/05/2009 @ 22:19:15 GMT+0200 (which was 17:19:15 where I live) Georg Sørtun would write: You're attacking the wrong IE6 bugs - this has nothing whatsoever to do with the percentage bug. Thus, all fixes are misplaced. I see. On one hand i'm glad because it means i don't have to fiddle with expressions :-) I must say, i really was convinced it was that bug ... It is the automatic box-expansion caused by too wide content you're dealing with, and it's affecting #header, #leftcol, #maincontainer and #rightcol in your layout. So, i'f i understand it correctly it's a mix of the expanding box bug and the nav not being isolated. 2 problems where i thought it was only 1 that caused all... 1: #header contains an image that is 200px too wider than min-width even on normal font-size. Consequently IE6 expands header to contain that image regardless of actual page-width. The trick is to pull in both side-margins on the image so it appears to be narrower but still has /some/ width left. This will keep the image centered, and allow it to overflow #header also in IE6 without causing #header to expand. IE6, and all other browsers for that matter, now thinks the image is only 400px wide, and center it on windows that are wider than that. using negative margins, i understand. 2: Especially #leftcol has too wide content, and when #leftcol is affected by box-expansion all the other columns get pushed to the right. By hiding the overflow on all 3 columns in IE6 only, no expansion takes place even if the content becomes too wide. Then, by declaring 'position: relative' on all content-elements in all 3 columns, the overflowing part of the content stays visible but takes up no space. The result is that IE6 treats overflowing content same as IE7, which is wrong but appears right in most cases. overflow:hidden in combination with a relative position on all 3 columns? Upon reading it, it makes sense to me now! 3: The little shift of columns when you hovered over nav in IE6, is best fixed by isolating nav from the columns in the markup, in IE6 only. IE6 reacts best - most consistent - on a br / styled to take up no space, placed in a conditional comment. This was the part that got me confused... that shift really made me think it was that percentage bug and that something in my 'solution' caused the other problems. All these fixes are included, and commented, in this copy of your page... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/luc/test_09_0509.html ...and all fixes for imaginary IE6 bugs are removed. Just grabbed it Georg, gonna study on it later... Once again, thank you for the help and the detailed explanation. -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.1.5 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. If you argue with an idiot, people watching may not be able to tell who's who. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Weird nav menu problem in IE6
Good afternoon Georg, It was foretold that on 03/04/2009 @ 18:24:35 GMT+0200 (which was 13:24:35 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write: snipped a bit - text on the page shift is caused only on window-width wide enough to trigger max-width in the minmax.js - above around 1200 wide. Narrower window - below max-width, or disabled script, makes that problem go away. Have never used that script, or that nav, and can after testing only conclude that the problem isn't correctable, AFAICS, in CSS. I switched to an IE expression but still there's something fishy going on: making the window smaller makes the logo disappear and reappear again. Something with the width problems in the expressions? - nav tabs shift is caused by bolder first letter on :hover not making all tabs a particular amount wider. Thus the correction - margin-left:-.1em; - isn't correct for all tabs. Suggest you restyle slightly to stabilize the nav tab shift, like in this revised copy of your document... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/luc/test_09_0403.html Right on the spot, like always Georg. -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.1.5 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Everyone talks about apathy, but no one does anything about it. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Weird nav menu problem in IE6
Good evening, It was foretold that on 04/04/2009 @ 17:15:35 GMT-0300 (which was 17:15:35 where I live) Luc would write: snipped a bit I switched to an IE expression but still there's something fishy going on: making the window smaller makes the logo disappear and reappear again. Something with the width problems in the expressions? Ooops, forgot the link http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/New_site_layout/liquidnav1.html If the IE expression is considered OT, you can write me off list :-) -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.1.5 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Beauty lies in the hands of the beer holder. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Weird nav menu problem in IE6
Good morning Jon, It was foretold that on 03/04/2009 @ 11:38:32 GMT+0300 (which was 05:38:32 where I live) Jon Wickström would write: snipped a bit In my FF there is also some shifting on hovering. To mee it seems you have a liquid layout and bolding the first letter (the SPAN) changes its width. Why not go with just changeing the color? I was bolding the first letter to let it stand out more :-) I see no trace of the matthewjamestaylor.com solution in your page. What am I missing? Have you looked at the code here: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/New_site_layout/liquidnav1.html Uses the method as described by matthewjamestaylor.com. I copied the code also from his examples just to see how it should behave with a liitle different styling. I used the talltabs orange example. -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.1.5 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. The devil was the first democrat. - Byron. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Weird nav menu problem in IE6
Hello list, I'm experimenting with a horizontal nav: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/New_site_layout/liquidnav1.html Css embedded. But in IE6 i'm encountering several problems, probably all related to one thing: When hovering over the nav, sometimes the logo image disappears, the text on the page shifts, the nav tabs shift,... And after hovering everything seems to be ok, except the shifting of the nav tabs. I thought it had to do with my hover styles and tried to isolate them but to no avail. I also thought a HasLayout problem but the zoom:1 doesn't seem to work. I implemented the method explained here: http://matthewjamestaylor.com/blog/beautiful-css-centered-menus-no-hacks-full-cross-browser-support with a slightly adjusted version of this: http://matthewjamestaylor.com/centered-menus/ But the strange thing is that on my original menu i seem to have the same problem: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/New_site_layout/liquid.html (css embedded) What could be the culprit? -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.1.5 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. The best computer is a man, and it's the only one that can be mass-produced by unskilled labour. - Wernher Von Braun. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Chrome and css
Good morning Philippe, It was foretold that on 20/12/2008 @ 10:28:19 GMT+0900 (which was 23:28:19 where I live) Philippe Wittenbergh would write: snipped a bit So you gonna worry about Chrome, a browser that is barely out of beta (if at all...) and is only used by a handful of geeks, but you don't test you work in Safari ? Interesting. I don't test in Safari because it originally was intended for the Mac and never came around to install the windows version ... I asked around because i think Chrome will get more exposure. It seems pretty slick but i'm not planning to test in each and every browser that's available. Besides that my post wasn't intended to start a 'in which browser doe you _need_ to test' ;-) That said, as far as I've been able to see, Chrome's CSS support is the same as Safari 3.0. The have a few glitches, but not much. The main problem is the graphical rendering layer, which is different than Safari. But that has not much to do with CSS (it does affect things like border-radius and opacity, though, it leaves some not-so-pretty artifacts). Well, if it works in Chrome, it seems to work in Safari too... so that's like killing 2 birds with 1 stone ;-) -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. You are traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land of imagination. Next stop, the Twilight Zone! __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Chrome and css
Good afternoon list, Now that Chrome left the beta stage (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/google-chrome-beta.html) i guess we have 1 more beast to tame. At the moment i'm installing it but i was wondering if any one here is already using it and if so, what major css glitches does it have, i.o.w. does it have some IE6 like standard bugs and workarounds? If it's considered OT, replies can be sent off-list :-) -- Best regards, Luc Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Be the change that you want to see in the world. (Mohandas Gandhi) __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Chrome and css
Good afternoon Barrett, It was foretold that on 20/12/2008 @ 09:33:49 GMT-0500 (which was 12:33:49 where I live) Barrett would write: snipped a bit Subject = adjacent sibling issue with radio buttons Reading it now :-) -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. To exercise is human; not to is divine. - Robert Orben. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Chrome and css
Good afternoon Benjamin, It was foretold that on 20/12/2008 @ 14:34:58 GMT+ (which was 12:34:58 where I live) Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis would write: Its CSS engine is WebKit like Safari, so if you've already tested in Safari (which has a significantly larger user base), things shouldn't be too bad. It's the JS engine and UI in Chrome which are novelties. I just had a play with it and using it for a project, things are looking real good. The only glitch i've found so far is that Chrome puts a small triangular shape that consists of tiny bullets in the down right corner of the textarea tag on my form. http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Pages/contact.php One might even think that it's a clever styling used on the form but i assure you it's not ;-) Maybe it renders the same as in Safari but i don't use and test for Safari... -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. It's not the pace of life that concerns us, it's the sudden stop at the end. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Chrome and css
Good afternoon Gunlaug, It was foretold that on 20/12/2008 @ 16:13:45 GMT+0100 (which was 13:13:45 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write: snipped a bit See the table over graphical browsers vs. rendering engines... http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_40.html ...and my comments around the issue. Pretty impressive table. Don't think you're mad, but quite a high number of browser developers and promoters do have lost their mind ;-) -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. There is nothing more exhilarating than to be shot at without result. - Winston Churchill (1874-1965) - British Prime Minister, writer __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Chrome and css
Good afternoon J.C., It was foretold that on 20/12/2008 @ 09:44:58 GMT-0600 (which was 13:44:58 where I live) J.C. Johnson would write: Actually, that's the grab point for resizing the textarea. :-) Jeez, so it is oh man, what do they invent next :-) Right, back to the help file ;-) -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. If passion drives you, let reason hold the reigns. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] easy clearing
Good afternoon David, It was foretold that on 20/12/2008 @ 13:29:24 GMT-0500 (which was 16:29:24 where I live) David Laakso would write: Anyone found a less cumbersome or more efficient way of writing the rules for it? Don't know if that's what you're after but maybe this might be of interest to you? http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/02/26/simple-clearing-of-floats/ -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. The years that a woman can shed are not lost. They are added to the age of others. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] easy clearing
Good evening David, It was foretold that on 20/12/2008 @ 14:31:44 GMT-0500 (which was 17:31:44 where I live) David Laakso would write: Thanks, but I am looking specifically at the method sometimes known as easy clearing as first described here [1], and latter here [2], and here [3], and elsewhere. [1]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2002Aug/0134.html [2]http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html [3]http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200603/new_clearing_method_needed_for_ie7/ No problem although i don't quite understand what you're after: the sitepoints' article sums up the problem as in PIE and goes over the several solutions (including the PIE one) to end with a 'simple' solution... unless ofcourse we're talking about 2 different problems :-) -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Draft beer, not people! __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] font-size and padding
Good afternoon list, Page: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Pages/Contact_success.php Css: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Stylesheets/MP.css I've got an image above the footer and because the page doesn't have much filling, unlike some other pages, the distance between it and the footer was real small. The footer sit's outside the container so i thought in my wisdom to create a class with a padding-bottom and apply that to the #content. Worked nicely but upon bumping the font-size up (not page-zoom) in IE, Firefox and Mozilla, the vertical distance between the footer and the nav menu get's smaller. It probably has to do with the fact that the font-size on #sidebar is set to .75em so the padding will scale at a smaller rate. I tried setting the font-size on the internal elements of the sidebar (the ul) and not on the sidebar itself. But i had no luck. Could somebody enlighten me? -- Best regards, Luc Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. You need a witness when you get married. Just like when you have an accident or a duel… - Sacha Guitry - French actor __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] unfloated form drops in IE
Good evening list, David Hucklesby wrote: I'm not seeing this behavior in IE 6 nor IE 7 this end (Win xp). Did you fix it, or are you using a different version of IE ? Me myself and i wrote in reply You don't see it? Strange, haven't fixed it. Using Win xp IE6.0.2900. IE7 is a stand alone version. Font-size at largest and resizing the browser window and you don't get the drop? Hmmm well, if it's only at my end,there's something rotten in the state of my system :-) Well, i've gotten some reports from users that have the same experience... so am i really loosing it? Could i have some more checks please with IE ... just to be sure ... it really puzzles me -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. When an Australian buys a new boomerang, how does he throw the old one away? - Zap - Italian comedian __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] font-size and padding
Good evening David, It was foretold that on 08/11/2008 @ 16:14:46 GMT-0500 (which was 19:14:46 where I live) David Laakso would write: If the use of a border causes a problem when de-bugging, such as causing a float drop, in a too tight width situation-- use a background-color on the element (takes up no width) instead. Ah, nice one ... will do David. -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax. - Albert Einstein __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] font-size and padding
Good evening Gunlaug, It was foretold that on 08/11/2008 @ 22:21:37 GMT+0100 (which was 19:21:37 where I live) Gunlaug would write: snipped a bit Of course it does ... borders take up space and may break tightly organized layouts. To me that's an excellent reason for using borders while debugging, so I don't have to introduce other means to the same effect. Tightly organized layouts tend to break under stress anyway, so better break them early. I hardly ever use developer tools since they add unnecessary delay to the debugging process by not allowing me to challenge layouts quickly and easy enough. I generally find it much quicker to go straight to the problem - the code, and break everything across the entire browser-land before introducing fixes that will work in all browsers. That's an excellent advice ... i'll use that in the future for debugging ... i tried some of the debugging tools but to me they always seem to make it more difficult to see what's going on. Better save your excuses and stay in the circles of designers who beg, steal and borrow and work hard on understanding how things work. I didn't meant that as an excuse ... i was just trying to be polite and a bite 'loose' . Believe me, i do try to understand how everything works ... :-) -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Wit is a weapon. Jokes are a masculine way of inflicting superiority. But humour is the pursuit of a gentle grin, usually in solitude. - Frank Muir (1920-1998) - humourist __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] font-size and padding
Good evening David, It was foretold that on 08/11/2008 @ 14:29:06 GMT-0800 (which was 20:29:06 where I live) David Hucklesby would write: snipped a bit Otherwise I add background-color (usually as extra DEBUG rules at the bottom of my style sheet. Funny you mention that ... i'm just reading about debug scaffolding: http://tantek.com/log/2004/09.html http://tantek.com/log/2004/mccgrid.css Glad you got sorted. Me too :-) -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. If passion drives you, let reason hold the reigns. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] unfloated form drops in IE
Good evening Gunlaug, It was foretold that on 08/11/2008 @ 22:37:31 GMT+0100 (which was 19:37:31 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write: snipped a bit You're using a px/px based IE-expression to control min/max width, but the container and several elements inside it have width based on 'em'. Such a combination can never work. Ah yes... the ie.css needs the container and those elements in px otherwise ie will use the dimensions set in the MP.css No excuse ;-) -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Start by doing the necessary, then the possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible. (St. Francis of Assisi) __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] unfloated form drops in IE
Good evening Gunlaug, It was foretold that on 08/11/2008 @ 00:08:20 GMT+0100 (which was 21:08:20 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write: snipped a bit Or the other way around: using an em/em based IE-expression and let IE6 use the existing 'em' dimensions the same way other browsers do. Of course, this means moving all font-sizing inwards from html and body, as otherwise IE6 will pick up _your_ font-sizes instead of its own. Yeah, i know that from your page: em/em based requires no font setting on the html or body :-) For the sake of sanity: i have set a px width on the container in the ie.css and low and behold: no drop anymore :-) I think you need to read my article one more time... http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_14.html ...as all these issues for each expression-variant are explained there. The beg, steal and borrow part i already know... the understanding part is something else... but i'm trying to stay on course :-) -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. He that is taken and put into prison or chains is not conquered, though overcome; for he is still an enemy. - Thomas Hobbes (1588–1679) - British philosopher __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] unfloated form drops in IE
Good evening David, It was foretold that on 07/11/2008 @ 11:39:23 GMT-0800 (which was 17:39:23 where I live) David Hucklesby would write: I'm not seeing this behavior in IE 6 nor IE 7 this end (Win xp). Did you fix it, or are you using a different version of IE ? You don't see it? Strange, haven't fixed it. Using Win xp IE6.0.2900. IE7 is a stand alone version. Font-size at largest and resizing the browser window and you don't get the drop? Hmmm well, if it's only at my end,there's something rotten in the state of my system :-) -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. All women wait for the man of their life - in the meantime, they get married. - Anonymous __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] unfloated form drops in IE
Good evening list, page: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Pages/Contact.php The problem: if you set the font-size in IE to largest and resize the viewport, the form drops all the way down. What puzzles me is that the form isn't floated so i can't put my finger on it. Firefox, Mozilla seem to do fine. The width for the containing div is bigger than for the fieldset. So i'm not sure what's going one: some bug, or math that doesn't add up somewhere else? Css compliant browsers: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Stylesheets/MP.css IE style sheet: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Stylesheets/ie.css -- Best regards, Luc Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Why did God create man before woman? He didn't want any advice. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] padding-effect and bumping up font-size
Good evening list, Page: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Pages/Contact_success.php Css: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Stylesheets/MP.css I've got an image above the footer and because the page doesn't have much filling, unlike some other pages, the distance between it and the footer was real small. The footer sit's outside the container so i thought in my wisdom to create a class with a padding-bottom and apply that to the #content. Worked nicely but upon bumping the font-size up, the effect of the padding disappeared. And i can't understand why. Could somebody enlighten me? -- Best regards, Luc Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. I am not young enough to know everything. - Oscar Wilde (1854-1900). __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] relationship between headings - can't seem to clear my head
Good afternoon list, Page: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Pages/Contactbad.php Problem: the 'fale conosco' heading is to close to the ones above. What i need is what you see here: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Pages/Contact.php Obviously something is wrong in my sheet: When i leave the 'Transporte com eficiência e segurança' heading in my html, i get the desired result. As soon as i remove that, i get the undesired result and i need to remove that heading on that page. I tried padding/margin on the 'fale conosco' heading to get it to lower but to no avail css: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Stylesheets/MP.css -- Best regards, Luc Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. The brain is a wonderful organ; it starts working the moment you get up in the morning and doesn't stop until you get into the office! - Dogbert (from Scott Adams' Dilbert) __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] relationship between headings - can't seem to clear my head
Hello David,
It was foretold that on 04/11/2008 @ 21:10:42 GMT-0500 (which was
00:10:42 where I live) David Laakso would write:
Not sure-- looks as though you have an unnecessarily complicated
construct with headings nested within headings. Does this help?:
h3 {padding-bottom: 7em; }
Spot on about complicated construct ... at the moment i can't figure
out how to make something that should be simple into really something simple ...
the 7 em makes it much better but a quick test with 3 em gives me the
same result at a first glance ... so the structure is indeed
complicated and bad
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Re: [css-d] center problem - img gallery
Good afternoon Philippe, It was foretold that on 01/11/2008 @ 11:04:04 GMT+0900 (which was 00:04:04 where I live) Philippe Wittenbergh would write: snipped a bit when you scale down the font-size, you bump into the min- width set on #container (width set in em, it will scale up/down with font-resizing, but at one point the width will be smaller than the min- width) But the gallery will continue to scale down, that is the width will become smaller than the that of the column. I see ... The whole layout depends on the fact that i wanted everything scale nicely with font-setting but keep the logo centred at all times (i.e. not scale). So the min-width (in px) is set to the width of the logo (in ems). It's like you say... at one point it _will_ break. As far as i could tell when bumping up the font-size it's doing all right, just when scaling down the font-size it will break. -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. A prune is a plum with experience. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] center problem - img gallery
Good evening list, Page: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/IEFIXEDexternalcss.html Stylesheets: Compliant browsers: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Stylesheets/MP.css IE: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Stylesheets/ie.css Problem: I have an img gallery inside my maincontent div that i'm trying to center. Because i gave the gallery in IE a fixed with i thought it would be enough to use the margin:0 auto trick. For compliant browsers (opera, Firefox, Mozilla) the width is in ems and the gallery is floated. So i tried a different approach in centering the floated gallery. The problems start when doing stress testing: IE with smaller font-sizes: the gallery is shoved to the left. Firefox, Mozilla with smaller font-sizes: same problem. What am i missing here? -- Best regards, Luc Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Misterious Firefox bug?
Good afternoon Gunlaug, It was foretold that on 26/10/2008 @ 19:45:47 GMT+0100 (which was 16:45:47 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write: snipped a bit - A width (min/max/whatever) in '%' on the outer container is relative to body-width/window-width, and that's not a constant since every single end-user on earth can decide on their own screen width and browser-window width. - A width (min/max/whatever) in 'em' on the outer container is relative to actual font-size in each end-user's browser. I see. learning something new every day :-) The reason your layout could take both window-width and font-size into account, is that 'width' is in '%' and 'min/max' are in 'em'. I call that conditional elastic, and it'll make the most out of available software, hardware and user-preferences for all end-users. Changing units turns it into something else, that may not fit well anywhere. Advice: leave it as it was before. Advice that i will follow to the letter :-) No doubt you can find values that work on default-settings at your end, but try font-resizing on those percentages. No adjustment of layout-width to font-size anymore. You're absolutely right. The ie-expression works totally independent of any regular min/max declarations - IE6 doesn't understand those regulars anyway and other browsers don't understand ie-expressions. The expression also overrides 'width', and you don't have to tell other browsers what IE6 uses either. Advice: leave the ie-expression as is. Will do :-) -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. The best computer is a man, and it's the only one that can be mass-produced by unskilled labour. - Wernher Von Braun. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Misterious Firefox bug?
Good afternoon Gunlaug,
It was foretold that on 25/10/2008 @ 01:01:08 GMT+0200 (which was
21:01:08 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write:
snipped a bit
FWIW: My Opera does the same - probably because I have 'minimum font
size' set (didn't check).
Didn't check with minimum font size lol.
There is a general problem with your code, in that you have headlines
with the same styles but in different places/environments. Would be
easier to get each of them right if you targeted them a bit more precise.
To fix that broken h1 line it might be suitable to add...
#main-top h1 {
clear: both;
padding: .5em 0 0 .5em;
...which is targeted, and works - if you like the alignment :-)
Darn, i knew it! I was too happy when David didn't mention it...
thought for once my code was ok :-)
It works and yes ... i'm happy with the alignment ;-)
There is what seems to be a real Gecko-bug in there - a
change/regression from Firefox 2.x to 3.x, in that the size of the
h3:first-letter seems to determine the width of h3. It should be the
width of h3's text that determined its width when no width is declared -
as it is in Fx 2.x and all other browsers I've checked in. Only checked
on windows (2K/XP/Vista).
If you want that h3 to line up more identical across browser-land, you
have to declare width on h3, for instance...
#main-top h3 {
width: 20em;
Worked like a charm.
But here's something strange that also seems to work:
I got a private message from a list member like follows:
Change this to a percentage and it should fix it in firefox
#container {
max-width:48.75em;
min-width:34.75em;
}
After some testing (forgot the formula to calculate
ems into %, stupid me) i came up with :
max-width:55%;
min-width:20%;
and the headings came in place.
But i wasn't sure if that would go nicely with your ie-expression
Gunlaug.
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[css-d] Misterious Firefox bug?
Good afternoon list, This page is how it should look: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Pages/clientes.php This is how it looks in Firefox: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Pages/clientes.php As you can see, the 'departamento logistica' heading is way off base. Opera, IE6 (couldn't check IE7 yet) and Mozilla have it right. Something is affecting just Firefox. My bad or some obscure Firefox bug (although my money is on my bad ;-) )? CSS embedded. -- Best regards, Luc Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter. - Mark Twain (1835-1910) - US author __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] float problem: not being contained or something else?
Good morning Gunlaug,
It was foretold that on 24/10/2008 @ 06:35:22 GMT+0200 (which was
02:35:22 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write:
snipped a bit
Delete 'width: 18em' on #puller2 and let that float default to 'width:
auto' and shrink-wrap. Delete 'margin-left: 1em' while you're at it.
That will give you the most stable line-up, at the right edge of #main-top.
When trying to correct it myself yesterday, i indeed used the
'width:auto' but ofcourse forgot about the margin-left.
Works like a charm!!
I also have a float drop in IE: resizing drops the whole content
beneath the nav. Have i messed up my math somewhere?
Think so :-)
It is the percentage (not 100%) that makes it a little harder to
calculate trigger-points.
A quick test gives me these values for near-flawless operation on 96dpi
resolution screens...
* html #container{ width:expression(
(document.documentElement.offsetWidth) (830/12)
* parseInt(document.body.currentStyle.fontSize)? 48.75em
: ((document.documentElement.offsetWidth) (600/12)
* parseInt(document.body.currentStyle.fontSize)? 34.75em : 96%)); }
I raised min-width to 34.75em because IE6 has a tendency to drop content
too early on narrow windows.
Darn, i recalculated all my widths yesterday except for the
expression. Never thought that would be culprit. On the
hand it's the first time i used that technique so i hope i'll be
forgiven ;-)
Guess i need to read your excellent article again :-)
That expression do not work well on other screen-resolutions than 96dpi
- the most widespread one that IE6 may be found on at the moment, and
there's not much I can do about that since resolution can't be easily
checked and used as a variable in expressions.
Oh well, for me it suffices ... i guess if we want to consider all
possible screen resolutions out there and users that change default
font size etc we'll be in the magic business :-)
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Re: [css-d] float problem: not being contained or something else?
Good afternoon Gunlaug, It was foretold that on 24/10/2008 @ 17:18:28 GMT+0200 (which was 13:18:28 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write: You're right: web design isn't magic - just code :-) Yup and code is already difficult enough for me, let alone magic ;-) FWIW: my expression takes height for font resizing. That's the whole idea behind extracting the browser's own font-size and using it to calculate dimensional trigger-points. I see ... it starts to fall into place now! And, yes, ideally we should take all those variants and options at the user-end into account while designing. Someone may actually use them. Pity those who create hardware and software don't always agree on how to make all those variants and options interact, as that would have made it much easier for us. As more and more browsers come around to support mediaqueries, we can start doing something useful for end-users with other set-ups and preferences than our own. Still need some leveling on the hardware and software front for it to work consistently though. Couldn't agree more. -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. A democracy is a government in the hands of men of low birth, no property, and vulgar employments. - Aristotle, Rhetoric, Independency. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] float problem: not being contained or something else?
Good afternoon list, Page: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/ieexpresssion.html Problem: next to the heading Departamento Logistica, you'll see two other headings, one on top of the other: Grupo Mendes Peres with the www.. When resizing your browser, and also on resizing the font, all the headings shift way over. At first i thought it was a containing float problem but if i'm correct that only effects escaping floats vertically. I can't figure out how to resolve it. I tried using text-align instead of floats but no go. Any takers? -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. - Will Rogers. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] float problem: not being contained or something else?
Hello Gunlaug,
It was foretold that on 23/10/2008 @ 01:26:02 GMT+0200 (which was
21:26:02 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write:
snipped a bit
Those headings are contained in #main-top, which has a 'width: 36em'
declared on it. This means it'll have a certain width, and that width
will change with font-resizing but _not_ with window-resizing.
By simply changing that to...
#main-top {width: 100%;}
...and deleting the left paddings on h1 and h2, the line-up will adjust
to window-size with the rest of the page, and won't be affected by
font-resizing.
That's indeed simple lol.
Your solution works for the main-top but i tried the same for the
nested puller2 div but i had no luck. That one still gives me the
same problem.
I also have a float drop in IE: resizing drops the whole content
beneath the nav. Have i messed up my math somewhere?
http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/ieexpresssion.html
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Re: [css-d] Hello, spent the time learning CSS now understood some questions
Good evening Majestic, It was foretold that on 01/10/2008 @ 20:56:47 GMT-0400 (which was 21:56:47 where I live) Majestic would write: snipped a bit I have spent the longest time trying to get PNG 24 images to work with IE6. I have tried from IEPNGFIX to IEFIX all javascript none of them worked infact I did get one to work but only and literally once, that was it. Have you tried this: http://dean.edwards.name/weblog/2008/01/ie7-2/ It's a JavaScript library to make MSIE behave like a standards-compliant browser. It fixes many CSS issues and makes transparent PNG work correctly under IE5 and IE6. Never used it myself -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. To bookmark this homepage or not to bookmark, that is the question. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] footer doesn't occupy width in IE6
Good morning David, It was foretold that on 01/10/2008 @ 01:07:52 GMT-0400 (which was 02:07:52 where I live) David Laakso would write: snipped a bit Only IE/7 has the mickey mouse zoom thingy. It zooms *the page* up or down. So I guess there's not much you can do about the page being 50 percent shorter than you intend. OTOH, there may be something you could do to prevent what happens to your page at text-size smallest in IE browsers; and, at minus font-scaling settings in Camino, WebKit, Safari, and Firefox. Well, with the Debugbar i can zoom in IE6 but i guess it's not much of an issue because not so many users will surf at small text, right? I was more worried about how it looks at large resolutions: if the footer keeps sticking at the bottom PS: sorry about not changing the topic of the e-mail was already late when i hit the send button -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd. - Bertrand Russell (1872-1970) - British philosopher __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] footer doesn't occupy width in IE6
Good afternoon David, It was foretold that on 01/10/2008 @ 10:55:00 GMT-0400 (which was 11:55:00 where I live) David Laakso would write: snipped a bit Average users are not running around with IE debuggers in order to zoom fonts in IE/6, so it's a mute point in my opinion. The IE/7 page-zoom thing -- unlike Opera's font-zoom, and FF/3's introduction of font-scaling to include everything within the page -- scales only the width of your page; consequently, the footer will not touch the bottom of the viewport on plus zoom. Afaik, there is no fix for this. True, but i was talking about page-zoom, not about the font zoom, sorry if i didn't make myself clear... Not everyone in the world has their browser fonts set at default. So it is risky to assume not so many users will surf at small text. The breaking out of the content from its container at smaller than default font size in compliant browsers, and even IE/6 and IE/7 is correctable (and of greater priority in my opinion than your IE/7 plus zoom problem). As far i can tell, at the moment, it's the gallery and logo that breaks apart at smaller than default... which i haven't corrected yet .. hopefully i'll be able to do that later today (fingers crossed). With not so many users will surf at small text i meant at tiny page zoom. So, to sum it up: get the gallery and logo in shape. -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Suddenly his chin slips from the palm of the hand supported by an elbow resting on the desk. His head hits the desktop violently. And so another civil servant dies... __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] footer doesn't occupy width in IE6
Good evening Gunlaug,
It was foretold that on 30/09/2008 @ 00:28:57 GMT+0200 (which was
19:28:57 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write:
Short on the right side at my end.
oops ... my bad
Page suffers from the auto-expansion bug in IE6 - something is too
wide in there, making the page too wide.
The footer OTOH stretches only '100%' of the intended
'width:48.75em;', so it appears to be too narrow.
You either add...
* html .twoColElsLtHdr #container{
overflow-x: hidden;
...to kill the auto-expansion bug, or you find what's causing the
expansion and removes that.
I'll go for the easy solution lol... the overflow-x method did it of
course...
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[css-d] Page doesn't hold up on zooming text
Good afternoon list, Following up on my post footer gets pushed to the left on page zoom i tried another approach which fairly behaves the way i want. But i'm still struggling with some problems: [1] Moz, FF, IE (6 7): page falls apart on zoom text. IE only seems to have a problem with the left nav menu when switching to view --- largest. [2] In Moz, when zooming to 33%, the text underneath the footer nav, starts breaking out of the footer. FF doesn't seem to have that problem. http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/Stickfooter.html Css embedded Validates -- Best regards, Luc Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Flattery makes friends and truth makes enemiesYiddish proverb __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Page doesn't hold up on zooming text
Good evening David,
It was foretold that on 16/09/2008 @ 14:35:43 GMT-0400 (which was
15:35:43 where I live) David Laakso would write:
snipped a bit
All browsers have difficulty with the long-words in the vertical nav
with font-scaling.
Yeah i know, just haven't figured out a solution yet banging head on table
Moz? What Moz you got? Only got Mac FF/3.0.1 and Mac SeaMonkey/1.1.11 on
this end.
Mozilla 1.7.13
html, body {
/*height: 100%;delete*/
body { /*position:absolute;width:100%; delete*/}
#wrapper{/*min-height:100%;delete*/}
I used these to get the sticky footer'...
/* use easy clearing to open the container vertically and contain it's
content in IE/6 */
#contentwrapper { border: 1px dashed teal/* for position only */;
overflow : hidden;
#contentwrapper:after {
content : '.';
display : block;
height : 0;
clear : both;
visibility : hidden;
#contentwrapper {
display : inline-block;
#contentwrapper {
display : block;
}/* end easy clearing*/
Darn, didn't even notice that the clearing method was needed.
#contentwrapper {
display : inline-block;}
For the Mac, right?
#contentwrapper {
display : block;}
Ah, resetting for IE
Doesn't #contentwrapper need zoom: 1; to get hasLayout for IE7 in
this case?
/** html #wrapper{height:100%} delete**/
Was part of my 'sticky' footer approach
Also needed:
#signature {
/* margin-top: 3em; margin-left: -35px; delete*/
margin : 3em auto 0 auto; width: 400px; /*add to keep this stuff
from breaking the container with font-scalling*/
Of course
I'll implement the changes 2morrow...
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Re: [css-d] Faux column - check on high res please + accessibility problems
Good morning Gunlaug, It was foretold that on 12/09/2008 @ 03:51:01 GMT+0200 (which was 22:51:01 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write: snipped a bit Border stretches down. Footer stays below content. You can check this yourself by zooming down in Opera and/or Firefox. Page-zoom: 20% in Opera should give you a clear picture. Hey, neat trick didn't knew about that one lol But i see i need to do some rethinking... the footer stays below content indeed but not to the bottom of the viewport at 20%... dunno if that's visually speaking a good thing.. [2] Besides that i have a huge accessibility problem: The page falls apart on: Mozilla 1.7.13 : at 200% IE6 and IE7 also Opera is ok at + 300% and Firefox also with 8 times ctrl + Page-zoom, yes. Font-resizing, no. Ah yes... forgot that the zoom in Opera rescales the whole page lol Better go back to using all px for dimensions, margins and paddings, as mixing px and em as you do now rarely ever works well. Indeed, changing to px holds IE fairly together, except the last link in the footer which wraps to the last line and isn't indented... FF and Moz also have troubles with the nav... Back to the drawing board i guess... http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/ http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Stylesheets/MP.css -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. The harder you work the luckier you become. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Faux column - check on high res please + accessibility problems
Good afternoon list, A few snags, i'm running in: [1] I'm using the faux column technique to achieve the following: avoiding that on high res monitors the borders are stretched all the way down the viewport regardless the content. In other words, to avoid e.g. putting a bottom border on the wrapper so users know it's the end. I'm assuming that this technique is the 'easiest' x-browser. Could somebody check for me if the borders stretch until the bottom of the viewport on high res (above 1440 x 900) and that the footer sticks to the bottom? [2] Besides that i have a huge accessibility problem: The page falls apart on: Mozilla 1.7.13 : at 200% IE6 and IE7 also Opera is ok at + 300% and Firefox also with 8 times ctrl + How do i resolve that? Has this to do with the widths applied on the #contentleft and #contentright? Seems weird that 2 out of 6 get it right (but hey, what do i know?). [3] And to top it all off, after changing the width on those divs from pixels to ems, the left and right borders on the li items didn't stretch anymore until the bottom-border. Adding the height: 1%; trick on the #navcontainer li resolved that but as a result, the distance between the li are 2px wider in IE as opposed to Opera, Moz and FF. Do i have to feed IE 6 and IE 7 other paddings through a hack for this? http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/MP/Pages/original.html css embedded -- Best regards, Luc Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. And how is 'education' supposed to make me smarter? - The Simpsons. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] solving nav problem: advise on my solution please
Good morning Gunlaug, It was foretold that on 05/09/2008 @ 12:10:04 GMT+0200 (which was 07:10:04 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write: snipped a bit I would normally only tune such details in/for browsers that don't support more proper CSS, as 'CSS table' goes a long way in letting good browsers auto-adjust vertical alignment... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/luc/test_08_0905.html I see... never thought about the 'css table' For IE6 I've added the necessary padding and relevant height correction - notice that I've only used top-padding, and achieved higher specificity through a more complete selector-chain instead of using !important. IE7 needs something like it - or a CC. The use of the top-padding is indeed interesting. Just one more question: how would you target IE7 in this case? -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up. - Jesse Jackson. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] solving nav problem: advise on my solution please
Good afternoon Gunlaug, It was foretold that on 05/09/2008 @ 19:11:48 GMT+0200 (which was 14:11:48 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write: snipped a bit If only a small set of less important IE corrections are needed, I might use the IE7 targeting hack documented here... http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/styles/target-browser.css If IE7 and lower need many corrections I'd serve them a separate stylesheet using the @import hack described here... http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_12.html Tnx for the advice Gunlaug. In the mean time i ended up with using the star html hack with a small correction: * + html That also does the trick although i must admit i've never seen it before -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. A democracy is a government in the hands of men of low birth, no property, and vulgar employments. - Aristotle, Rhetoric, Independency. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] solving nav problem: advise on my solution please
Hello list, I'm fiddling with a classic vertical menu. The middle link is bigger then the other two, so it wraps and upon trying to get the space above and beneath that link in the boxes in such a way that it wouldn't stand to much out, compared to other two links, i had to adjust the padding. The padding for the first and last link is set on #navlist li and to avoid that padding being applied to the middle link i made a class for that link: .navpadder. Probably due to specificity problems that didn't fell to well. So to make sure the class would kick in, i added !important to the class to resolve it. Now, is this approach a sound one or are there better methods to go about this? http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/list1.html css embedded. -- Best regards, Luc Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Consult a real expert--Call your mother! __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] IE bug with list - can anybody confirm?
Good evening list, I'm fiddling about with a nav and stumbled upon an IE bug (what a surprise) which i could solve but i wanted some confirmation wether this is some old obscure IE bug. page with the bug (css embedded): http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/list1.html page with bug solved: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/list2.html As you will see, the first page displays a mysterious gap which i could only get rid off by changing the html as so: /lili and ending with /li/ul IOW: the li and /ul tags can't be on a separate line. Also, is this the only way to prevent this bug from happening? -- Best regards, Luc Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. »Stay« is a charming word in a friend's vocabulary. - Bronson Allcott __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE bug with list - can anybody confirm?
Good afternoon Gunlaug, It was foretold that on 27/08/2008 @ 11:51:29 GMT+0200 (which was 06:51:29 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write: snipped a bit Adding a 'hasLayout' trigger to the right element(s) will have the same effect. In your case... #navlist li a height: 1% /* haslayout trigger */; Tnx Gunlaug and Alan. I messed with the hasLayout but the key is indeed the right element Somehow i always have a hard time to find out which element needs the trigger... More trial and error i guess lol. As a bonus, the solution also resulted in the fact that i didn't have to use a width to ensure that the whole link is clickable upon hover and not only the text (the other famous IE problem). -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Don't waste time worrying about future difficulties - they may never come. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] 100% Height problem
Good afternoon David, It was foretold that on 02/07/2008 @ 10:06:21 GMT-0700 (which was 14:06:21 where I live) David Hucklesby would write: snipped a bit FWIW - Paul's method does not put the footer at the bottom on my (Win xp) version of Opera - 9.50 build 10063. Strange... on my end it does... Winxp, Opera 9.50, build 10063 -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] 100% Height problem
Good afternoon list, I'm experimenting with 100% height and ran into some x-browser inconsistencies (no surprise here). Problems: [1] IE seems to do the trick, except the footer overlaps a bit the content. [2] Opera, FF and Moz all have the same trouble: the header doesn't sit snug at the top of the viewport, the content overflows the grey area and the footer. The footer doesn't stay below. What i'm aiming for is the way IE almost presents it, but without the footer overlapping the content, i.o.w. if the document goes beyond one full page,the div should be the height of the actual document. http://dzinelabs.com/sandbox/Height.html CSS embedded. Page validates. -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. And so, my fellow net surfers, ask not what your homepage can do for you; ask what you can do for your homepage. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] 100% Height problem
Good evening Bill,
It was foretold that on 01/07/2008 @ 16:46:09 GMT-0400 (which was
17:46:09 where I live) Bill Brown would write:
snipped a bit
I've tweaked your code a bit and published my results at:
http://theholiergrail.com/tests/height/index.html
Let me know if it helps!
Excellent Bill... worked like a charm.
But could/would you enlighten me as to the errors i had?
You removed the star html hack i had and the min-height on the #wrapper and in
your
#wrapper you added:
{height: auto !important;
height: 100%;
position:relative;}
Also the #header you changed from height:100px to 99px
the #content: you removed the float:left
and the #footer, you added position:relative
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Re: [css-d] 100% Height problem
Good evening David, It was foretold that on 01/07/2008 @ 17:00:39 GMT-0400 (which was 18:00:39 where I live) David Laakso would write: Maybe Paul O'Brien's method might help? http://www.pmob.co.uk/temp/2colfixedtest_4.htm That's a nice one too David, tnx! -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Home is where you hang your @ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] UL based Event Calendar CSS
Hello Sohail, It was foretold that on 25/06/2008 @ 23:32:08 GMT-0400 (which was 00:32:08 where I live) Sohail Aboobaker would write: snipped a bit We are looking for example event calendar CSS that outputs event in calendar format. The html contains an unordered list of days with events as a sub-line wherever applicable. Something like this? http://www.cssnewbie.com/list-based-css-calendar/ -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Doctors automatically know what's wrong with you. They have a sick sense. - Beau M., age 10. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Stretch question
Good afternoon list, First of all, my question is a theoretical one, meaning i don't have a mock-up to show, just a question for future reference. I was wondering, if you have a basic 2 column set-up, with an outer wrapper and a contentwrapper: div id=wrapper div id=contentwrapper div id=contentleft div id=contentright div id=footer Contentwrapper wraps contenleft and right and the footer where wrapper holds everything. Now the question: how do you make sure that on high res monitors the borders are stretched all the way down the viewport regardless the content? In other words, how to avoid e.g. putting a bottom border on the wrapper so users know it's the end? Putting a repeating background image on the content division (faux-column technique) or is there some other x-browser method? To sum it up, i guess it's a always 100% height stretch question. Hope i made myself clear -- Regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Nobody can hurt me without my permission. (Mohandas Gandhi) __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Stretch question
Good evening David,
It was foretold that on 13/06/2008 @ 16:19:31 GMT-0400 (which was
17:19:31 where I live) David Laakso would write:
Any column longest can be acheived using the faux column method
(repeating image on y-axis) [1].
Equal height columns using CSS is sometimes done this way [2].
Some equal height column layouts with the footer stuck to the bottom
viewport are found here [3].
[1]
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/
[2]
http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/onetruelayout/equalheight
[3]
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/
Tnx for the reference ... [2] seems the way to go ...
But upon reading, there's something i don't grasp:
Now if you wanted to actually achieve a 0.5em padding-bottom on the
column, then you'd need code like this:
#block_1, #block_2,#block_3
{
padding-bottom: 1000em;
margin-bottom: -999.5em; }
Instead of :
padding-bottom: 32767px;
margin-bottom: -32767px;
Being the fact that you need to apply padding-bottom: big_value to the
column blocks, where$big_value is a large enough value to guarantee
that it's equal to or larger than the tallest column and the limit is
32767px, how does he get to these em values?
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Re: [css-d] Stretch question
Good evening Jens, It was foretold that on 13/06/2008 @ 23:35:10 GMT+0200 (which was 18:35:10 where I live) Jens Nedal would write: snipped a bit The only issue with faux columns is, that the with of your design basically has to remain fixed, as the background image has a fixed with. So if you are planning for a liquid design that stretches with the width of your viewport, you would have to find a different solution. Yup, that's the problem... liquid and faux columns don't mix... Hence i liked the second solution, although it has a lot of issues... -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Every time history repeats itself the price goes up. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Still nav problems (background seems fine)
Good afternoon Kepler, It was foretold that on 04/04/2008 @ 19:42:19 GMT-0400 (which was 20:42:19 where I live) Kepler Gelotte would write: snipped a bit I belong to 2 lists and the other only requires me to reply to sender. This list requires me to reply to all. So to answer your question it was meant for the list. One of these days I'll screw my head on right. For those interested, i received an off - list message so hence my question :-) Don't worry about it Kepler i'll be happy the day i can keep my head on my shoulders lol. Btw, did you receive my other message? Reply can be off-list in this case lol -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. People talk about dysfunctional families; I've never seen any other kind. - Sue Grafton. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Still nav problems (background seems fine)
Good afternoon Gunlaug,
It was foretold that on 04/04/2008 @ 00:19:10 GMT+0200 (which was
19:19:10 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write:
snipped a bit
Not enough background-image vertically for two text-lines, so the
missing part appears as a gap.
I see. Makes sense like all your posts.
Make that:
#navcontainer li {
background : transparent url(../Images/navbackgroundbig.gif) repeat-y 0
0.1em;
margin : 0.5em;
/* no height */
...and there will be no gap. I think that answers your second question
too, if I understood you correctly.
Centering text in _equal-height_ li's requires an HTML table for nav,
since IE7 and older don't support CSS table.
Hmm, maybe i wasn't clear, i meant equal space above and beneath the
text of the links like it's shown on the equipamentos part...
(since i moved to Brazil i seem to forget more and more about the
English language )
Please don't keep changing things when you ask for help. It's impossible
to debug a moving target.
Oh it's probably because i received an off-list message from Keppler
with the following suggestion:
#navcontainer li {
background:transparent url(../Images/navbackgroundbig.gif) 0 .1em no-repeat;
margin:.5em;
height:3.5em;
#navcontainer li a {
color:#FF;
display:block;
padding:.5em;
text-align:left;
text-decoration:none;
height:2.5em;
This also seemed to do the trick... hence my hasty upload.
Next time i'll keep the target put ;-)
Only thing to figure out now, is how to set the distance between the
border and the background image. Seems if i mess with the
padding/margin on the li it affects the li but not the border. Since
the border is controlled by the #navcontainer li a:hover and
li#here a:link, li#here a:visited, li#here a:hover declarations it
seems to me that i have to use a class? Or do i really really lost my
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Re: [css-d] Still nav problems (background seems fine)
Good evening Gunlaug, It was foretold that on 05/04/2008 @ 01:14:39 GMT+0200 (which was 20:14:39 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write: snipped a bit Making sense was not my intention, I assure you ;-) Maybe not, but still you always manage to do that ;-) Don't know where your head is ( ;-) ), but no class is needed and messing around won't help either. What you need is an additional dimension and a close look at the W3C box-model. By declaring a suitable width on the anchor and manipulating the size of its side-paddings, you can create the appearance I think you're after. Paddings are added to dimensions in the W3C box-model. paddings are added ro dimensions ... magical words!!! Clears everything up and ... found my head again :-). I'm still amazed how one can forget the basics of the most important thing of CSS: the box model. In the beginning you study the model as if your life depends on it ... and when it needs to kick in... you're out of gas ... you have no idea how ashamed i am lol. Take a look at my example... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/luc/test_08_0404.html ...and see if my chosen values are close enough for comfort. If not, then minor changes should bring the appearance within range. Perfect!!! Remember that the background-image on the li has fixed dimensions and is only set to repeat vertically. This makes the styling easy. once again makes sense :-) Without that fixed image-dimension we would have to fix the width of the li itself and make the anchor overflow it horizontally. That's also easy in most browsers, but IE6 would put up a fight (auto-expand) and demand a semi-removed floating anchor (negative back-side margin) in order to cooperate. I just mention this in case the need for such a change should come up - for you or someone else. Duly noted !!! -- Best regards, Luc _ Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. The favourite game in Austria is Mikado. The one who moves something first, loses. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] urgent - deadline: background image in list doesn't change
Good afternoon list, I needed to make my backgound image on my nav menu bigger, but it only kicks in on one page. The image is set in my stylesheet. As i'm on a real urgent deadline, i'm probably overlooking something obvious but can somebody take a look and see what's missing? Much obliged! http://www.mendesperestransportes.com.br/Pages/equipamentos.php http://www.mendesperestransportes.com.br/Styles/MP.css -- Best regards, Luc Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Absolutely nothing in the world is friendlier than a wet dog. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Still nav problems (background seems fine)
Good afternoon list, Still having problems with my nav the background image seems to be working but between Equipamentos Transportados and Nossa Frota is a gap i can't seem to get rid off. Also, the border at the right side of Equipamentos is bigger then it should be. What's puzzling me is that it seems to be just that li... Also, what would be the best way to have the text of the li's in the nav centered vertically? Adjusting padding with another ruleset, presuming i can't do it in the ul ruleset? Sorry for the maybe easy questions but i'm in a real pickle here http://www.mendesperestransportes.com.br/Pages/equipamentos.php http://www.mendesperestransportes.com.br/Styles/MP.css The section to look for is at the bottom of the stylesheet, commented /*Navigation*/ -- Best regards, Luc Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. When an Australian buys a new boomerang, how does he throw the old one away? - Zap - Italian comedian __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE Printing Problem
Hello John, It was foretold that on 19/03/2008 @ 10:37:59 GMT-0400 (which was 11:37:59 where I live) John Gribben would write: snipped a bit We created a print style sheet that hid mostly everything but the main content, but the client wants the appearance of the screen styles to persist in printouts:-(. Research indicates that removing floats should fix this problem, but that's not working for me - and I don't know how I'm going to be able to retain the layout if I lose the floats. Just a wild guess: what if you assign each floated element to have float: none.? Doing gets the floated element to the “normal flow” of the document, so i'm guessing maybe this should solve it? -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Don't waste time worrying about future difficulties - they may never come. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
Good evening David, It was foretold that on 09/03/2008 @ 12:55:21 GMT-0400 (which was 13:55:21 where I live) David Laakso would write: You did not waste my time. And I appreciate your comment. I just do not have time to respond properly to why I do not think setting text in an image, including doing so to avoid spam, is a good idea. Oh, no prob David -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.29 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Do you know why God withheld the sense of humour from women? That we may love you instead of laughing at you. - Mrs. Patrick Campbell (1865-1940) - British actress __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] :: layout check :: ~dL
Hello David, It was foretold that on 08/03/2008 @ 18:58:15 GMT-0500 (which was 20:58:15 where I live) David Laakso would write: snipped a bit I'd appreciate any comments and suggestions on this 6 page comprehensive layout for an industrial site. The marketing target is the IE browsers. David , just a quick remark: wouldn't it be better to use another alternative for the e-mail? Just to try to limit a bit of spam attack... -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.29 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Flattery makes friends and truth makes enemiesYiddish proverb __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Struggling to get height to 100%
Good afternoon David, It was foretold that on 29/01/2008 @ 09:07:43 GMT-0500 (which was 12:07:43 where I live) David Laakso would write: snipped a bit There are a number of ways to get any column longest. As a 99% lurker i'm taking the opportunity to jump in here because the topic interests me also. I've got a page where i've put a border around the wrapper because everything extends nicely to the bottom of the viewport on my res but not on a high res monitor as i've been told. They stop well above the bottom of the viewport. So i had to put a bottom border on the wrapper so that it looks closed off. So, any solution would be appreciated for future reference, or is the faux column the only full-proof method to go? For those who are interested in a visual look, here's an example: http://www.mendesperestransportes.com.br/index.html http://www.mendesperestransportes.com.br/Styles/MP.css (just including the css for doing the right thing :-) ) -- Best regards, Luc _ Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.29 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd. - Bertrand Russell (1872-1970) - British philosopher __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] New site, same old IE6 dropped div problems
Good afternoon Lise, It was foretold that on 16/01/2008 @ 14:48:08 GMT-0500 (which was 17:48:08 where I live) Lise Holliker Dykes would write: snipped a bit Biggest problem is that I used one of Dreamweaver's presets to start the page, and don't know enough about the hacks they use (which I don't usually use...maybe I broke those when I made alterations to the layout), and don't know where to make fixes so that IE6 doesn't break the layout and drop center div below sidebars. Dreamweaver doesn't flag anything to give me a clue, and I ended up tinkering with a lot of things that didn't seem to make any difference. I'm sure you'll figure out what silly thing I've done or neglected to do... It seems the HTML and CSS validator don't like it ... Suggestion: fix the errors first... always the best way to start :-) -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.29 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. To many, no doubt, he will seem blatant and bumptious, but we prefer to regard him as being simply British. - Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) - Irish novelist, playwright and wit __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Simple issue of image not showing
Good afternoon Keith, It was foretold that on 10/01/2008 @ 12:04:39 GMT-0600 (which was 16:04:39 where I live) Keith Kaiser would write: snipped a bit In FireFox and Safari everything appears OK but in IE the banner image is not showing up. Please have a look at; bsaroundtable.com I suppose you fixed it? Shows up in IE6 on my machine -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.29 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. To get nowhere, follow the crowd. - Frank Baer. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] css tooltip doesn't work in Opera
Hello Giuseppe, It was foretold that on 09/01/2008 @ 22:28:55 GMT+ (which was 20:28:55 where I live) Giuseppe Craparotta would write: snipped a bit if you go to this page: http://www.giuseppecraparottacv.co.uk/TRY2.html and hover on Let me tell you something more about it, you'll see a pure css tooltip. It works fine in all browsers, apart from Opera. Is this what you're after: http://www.dzinelabs.com/Pages/rollovers.htm works in opera. -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.29 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. They say that money isn't everything in life. Of course, they are talking about the money of others. - Sacha Guitry (French comedian) __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Class and Specificity?
Good afternoon Dorothy, It was foretold that on 04/01/2008 @ 09:26:27 GMT-0500 (which was 12:26:27 where I live) Dorothy Hesson 2336 would write: The whole stylesheet does work. The stylesheet validates, too. This is what's getting me! URL with the style in the head element http://www.cenacoloamerica.org/cenacolo_1/about/ Using the stylesheet alone http://www.cenacoloamerica.org/cenacolo_1/catechesis/ the embedded css rule is called .floatright, while in the stylesheet it is called img .floatright. Removing the img in the stylesheet in Firebug does float the image right at my end :-) -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.29 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Beauty lies in the hands of the beer holder. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] ordered lists in ie - is more than 10 items asking too much?
Good afternoon Robert,
It was foretold that on 30/10/2007 @ 18:59:25 GMT+ (which was
15:59:25 where I live) Robert O'Rourke would write:
snipped a bit
For some strange reason if you set 'list-style-position' to 'inside'
on an ordered-list from the tenth list-item onwards the text-indent it
creates for the bullet/number is lost. This is not the case for an
unordered-list.
I've tried a couple of hasLayout triggers like position: relative;
and zoom:1; to no avail and also text-indenting the li but nowhere near
a fix yet. Any ideas?
decimal outside with padding seems to get IE in it's place:
ol {
list-style: decimal outside;
border-top: 1px dashed #ccc;
padding: 0 20px;
margin: 16px auto;
width: 90%;
}
http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/list.html
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Re: [css-d] To set or reset?
Good morning David, It was foretold that on 25/10/2007 @ 09:01:05 GMT-0400 (which was 10:01:05 where I live) David Laakso would write: It is a matter of opinion on which way to go. I find, after trying both methods, only setting as necessary works far better for me-- better learning experience (knowing exactly what controls what), faster (no need to put back in what was taken out), easier overall maintenance (I can find what is wrong or needs to be changed and fix it easier), and more... I haven't used the reset method yet, except from setting margin and padding to 0, because i'm a bit confuzzled on what method to use (Meyer, Tantek, Yahoo) but it's on my to do list. This said however i think it might be helpfull to have a complete reset first so i don't have to make on the fly comments as why a certain rule needs a particular declaration to work cross browser. Ps: i'm still in the cuckoo's nest David, so i haven't come around yet to implement your solution for my pet but the doc is thinking of releasing me soon ;-) -- Best regards, Luc _ Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.25 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage. - H.L. Mencken. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] things disappearing in IE7
Good afternoon Shelly, It was foretold that on 25/10/2007 @ 14:33:26 GMT-0400 (which was 15:33:26 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] would write: snipped a bit I had tried all of the has layout stuff I could think of - but I forgot about that one. #main ( height:100%} is what ended up working. And does the nav show up in IE6? -- Best regards, Luc _ Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.25 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Deliver me, O Lord, from that evil man, myself. - Thomas Benton Brooks (1608-1680). __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] forced to set width and related problems-repost
Good evening list, Somehow i'm forced to set a width on my contentwrapper: setting no width or a width of 100% cuts off the #contentright and the background image i had on my header when resizing to smaller screen resolution. I'm wondering if this is normal behaviour? The way i used widths now gives me a layout that causes a horizontal scrollbar in e.g. 1280X768 and below, but i guess that's something i have to life with. The reason i used the widths on#wrapper and #contentwrapper was the fact that without max and min width on the body, the #contentright dropped underneath the #contentleft which i don't understand: #contentright isn't floated or am i missing something here? And i would like to avoid min and max width on the body so as not to mess with IE expressions. Besides that i seem to have an accessibility problem in Firefox and Mozilla: decreasing the text size makes the #masthead h1 drop below the #masthead. Other problems i ran into and “solved” are commented in the css. http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/madcow/madcowbody.html Css embedded Seems i caught the mad cow disease lol -- Best regards, Luc Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.24 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. A friend is one who believes in you when you have ceased to believe in yourself. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ Before digital, there was mechanical. View and purchase fascinating mechanical antique pocket watches and vintage wrist watches. Visit Bogoff Antiques today. http://lavabit.com/apps/director?ad=3 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] forced to set width and related problems
Good evening list, Somehow i'm forced to set a width on my contentwrapper: no width or a width of 100% cuts off the #contentright and the background image i had on my header when resizing to smaller screen resolution. I'm wondering if this is normal behaviour? The way i used widths now gives me a layout that causes a horizontal scrollbar in e.g. 1280X768 and below, but i guess that's something i have to life with. The reason i used the widths on#wrapper and #contentwrapper was the fact that without max and min width on the body, the #contentright dropped underneath the #contentleft which i don't understand: #contentright isn't floated or am i missing something here? And i would like to avoid min and max width on the body so as not to mess with IE expressions. Besides that i seem to have an accessibility problem in Firefox and Mozilla: decreasing the text size makes the #masthead h1 drop below the #masthead. Other problems i ran into and “solved” are commented in the css. http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/madcow/madcowbody.html Css embedded Seems i caught the mad cow disease lol -- Best regards, Luc Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.24 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. A friend is one who believes in you when you have ceased to believe in yourself. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] width problem cross browser - repost
Good morning David,
It was foretold that on 10/10/2007 @ 23:15:45 GMT-0400 (which was
00:15:45 where I live) David Laakso would write:
There may be more than one way to milk a cow. Or is there?
http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/madcow01.html
Note that no font-sixe must be set on the body with this method or the
ie expressions (ie/6.0 workaround for min/max width) will not work.
David, i never had to use this expression before so could you telle
me what it means:
!--[if lt IE 7]style
* html body #page {width:expression(
(document.documentElement.offsetWidth) (990/12)
* parseInt(document.body.currentStyle.fontSize)? 60em
: ((document.documentElement.offsetWidth) 580? 554px : 99%)); }
Seems like i'm on acid also lol.
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Re: [css-d] width problem cross browser - repost
Good morning David, It was foretold that on 10/10/2007 @ 10:32:24 GMT-0400 (which was 11:32:24 where I live) David Laakso would write: Please see Georg Sortun's site for an excellent explanation of expressions and how they may be used with CSS: http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_additions_14.html Great, tnx! -- Best regards, Luc _ Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.24 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. My mother used to say: the older you get, the better you get -unless you're a banana. - Rose, The Golden Girls. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] width problem cross browser - repost
Good morning David, It was foretold that on 9/10/2007 @ 03:10:33 GMT-0400 (which was 04:10:33 where I live) David Laakso would write: snipped a bit This is in reference to your uri: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/madcow/madcow.html and my uri: http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/madcow.html I guess my mad cow (love that cow) is gonna look the same as your screen shot in any browser, not just IE, when the window is narrower than the fixed pixel width of 760px set on #container which encloses the the two column layout (your text). I should take out a patent on that cow ;-) Now regarding the width, is there any way to avoid that kind of behaviour? I tried removing the 760px, replacing it with 100% etc but it still gives that annoying cut off. PS When replying to this list please write your reply below the person you reply to, and do not trim links that may be needed for reference. Makes it easier for everyone... Thought i did, but it was kinda late so.. ;-) -- Best regards, Luc _ Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.24 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. I have as much authority as the Pope...I just don't have as many people who believe it. - George Carlin. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] width problem cross browser - repost
Good morning Philippe,
It was foretold that on 9/10/2007 @ 22:30:32 GMT+0900 (which was
10:30:32 where I live) Philippe Wittenbergh would write:
snipped a bit
This:
#page {
float : left;
width : 100%;
}
won't solve anything. It just makes the block as wide as the window.
That block won't expand based on the width of the #container.
It _might_ help if you remove the width, making it a floated auto
width container. But that behaviour can be unpredictable.
#page {min-width:760px;} should stabilze that problem on most
browsers. (and remove the float, I don't see the use for it). Use the
appropriate {width: expression()} for IE 6.
Philippe, that's the code David used. But i tried removing the 100% width
on my wrapper and used the min-width but still no go.
What do you mean with Use the appropriate {width: expression()} for
IE 6?
here's my original mock up:
http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/madcow/madcow.html
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[css-d] width problem cross browser - repost
Good evening list, It seems i have a width problem cross browser: resizing the viewport gets following effects: [1] #masthead disappears while #masthead div and #masthead h1 keeps being visible in opera, FF, moz, IE6 7. Desired effect: #masthead needs to be kept visible. [2] only IE6: #contentright drops below #contentleft (upon resizing to small resolution). Opera, Moz, FF, IE7 do not drop the #contentright. It seems a width problem because contentleft ends where #masthead div ends. I've tried changing widths, adding widths... even messing with hasLayout but no success. Tried the list archives but didn't encounter a solution. Is this something that has nothing to do with width? http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/madcow/madcow.html css embedded. -- Best regards, Luc Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.24 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. If the creator had a purpose in equipping us with a neck, he surely meant us to stick it out Arthur Koestler. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] width problem cross browser - repost
Hello David, It was foretold that on 9/10/2007 @ 23:31:24 GMT-0400 (which was 00:31:24 where I live) David Laakso would write: snipped a bit It seems I don't really get what you're after but I am crazy nuts about that mad cow and hope at least in a small way this may help : yeah, that cow makes me nuts also but alas, still the same problem with the image. Here's the link to how it looks in IE when resized to a small resolution: http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/madcow/cow.png Btw, the fact that in your example the h1 also moves to the left is because of the removing of my position:absolute, isn't it? -- Best regards, Luc _ Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.24 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. I'm a lifelong Anglophile. England is still the only place I know where any young man can grow up to be the Queen. - Alan Alda as Capt. 'Hawkeye' Pierce in M.A.S.H. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] 2 problems: text shoving and IE6 oddity
Good morning list, Walt wrote: One possible fix: declare a width for #masthead. hmm, seems that didn't fix it Walt: no matter what width i declared, the problem still remained. Gunlaug wrote: Position h1 relative to the left side. Gunlaug, i noticed in your example it was still positioned absolute...? Giving it position absolute with a left of 900 px did it for me but i'm not sure wether is has to be relative or absolute. Delete the width on #wrapper you have given IE6. Great, that did it for IE. Could you elaborate as to why so i can understand the reasoning behind it? IE6 also suffers from the italic bug, which you can try to control... Tnx Gunlaug... that's what you get for page filling lol. -- Best regards, Luc Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.24 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Envy plus rhetoric equals social justice. - Thomas Sowell. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] 2 problems: text shoving and IE6 oddity
Good afternoon Gunlaug, It was foretold that on 4/10/2007 @ 17:06:46 GMT+0200 (which was 12:06:46 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write: snipped a bit There's no definitive answer to that question, as 'absolute', 'relative' or 'static' (default) may work - depending on how you organize source code and CSS and design-ideas. You may also float the h1 and position it with margins - positive and/or negative. You can also give h1 a fixed width and align the text to the right, and it may work just fine. Ah, now it makes sense... many solutions to 1 question lol... but it gives me something to play with. I thought there was an absolute rule to things in this case :-) You have declared a 'min-width' for other browsers, and it looked like you tried to replicate that in IE6 by giving it a 'width'. Although 'height' function as 'min-height' in IE6, 'width' does not function as 'min-width'. right, forgot about that one!!! So what you gave IE6 was a fixed width on a right-floating element, which it obeyed to the letter and gave you exactly the line-up you asked for - but didn't want. IE6 doing what it's supposed to do... what a surprise lol (Be careful with what you ask for - you may actually get it :-) ) yeah, once in a while ;-) IE6 also suffers from the italic bug, which you can try to control... Nothing escapes browser-bugs :-) indeed... -- Best regards, Luc _ Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.24 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Only dead fish go with the flow. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] 2 problems: text shoving and IE6 oddity
Good afternoon Gunlaug, It was foretold that on 4/10/2007 @ 19:06:35 GMT+0200 (which was 14:06:35 where I live) Gunlaug Sørtun would write: snipped a bit You're probably looking for best practices, which may be good to have at times but which shouldn't be taken too far. However, trying to apply absolute rules to how to use basic standards, is the same as limiting design-possibilities for the sake of simplicity. So, it always comes down to design-choices, and the more you know about those standards - and User Agents, the better design-choices you can make. Indeed, i find myself sometimes trapped in thinking inside the box instead of outside. -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.24 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. The good ended happily, and the bad unhappily. That is what Fiction means. - Oscar Wilde. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] width problem cross browser
Good evening list, It seems i have a width problem cross browser: resizing the viewport gets following effects: [1] #masthead disappears while #masthead div and #masthead h1 keeps being visible. Desired effect: #masthead needs to be kept visible. [2] only IE6: #contentright drops below #contentleft (upon resizing to small resolution). Opera, Moz, FF, IE7 do not drop the #contentright. It seems a width problem because contentleft ends where #masthead div ends. I've tried changing widths, adding widths... even messing with hasLayout but no success. Tried the list archives but didn't encounter a solution. Is this something that has nothing to do with width? http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/madcow/madcow.html css embedded. -- Best regards, Luc Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.24 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] 2 problems: text shoving and IE6 oddity
Good evening list, Fiddling with a mockup and i ran into 2 problems: [1] the text on the right hand side of the top (mad cow..) shoves to the left when resizing the viewport. Is there a way to let it stay put? [2] in IE6 the whole page is shoved to the right and the #masthead image is not showing up. http://www.dzinelabs.com/sandbox/madcow/madcow.html css embedded. -- Best regards, Luc Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.24 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them. - Pierre De Beaumarchais. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] margin/padding and li problem
Hello list, i have a list with a background image that i just can't seem to get a bit less indented. It's a list of clients and upon adding the phone numbers, the ninth client on the list has it's number pushed to the next line. Opera is the only browser that doesn't do it. Obviously there isn't enough room to hold the number so i thought on giving the whole list a lesser indentation but i just don't seem to get it. http://www.mendesperestransportes.com.br/Pages/clientes.php http://www.mendesperestransportes.com.br/Styles/MP.css Probably a non-brainer, except for me!! Luc __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] margin/padding and li problem - solved
Hello list, seems i was a bit to quick on the e-mail trigger: adding a negative left-margin to the ul did the trick. But i'm a bit confuzzled as why i needed the left-margin: setting margin to 0 doesn't remove the indentation in this case? Luc __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] margin/padding and li problem
Good evening Rowan, It was foretold that on 21/9/2007 @ 22:12:10 GMT+0100 (which was 18:12:10 where I live) Rowan @ Jetboy would write: snipped a bit is overriding the styles for that specific list. Reduce the left margin on the ul to move the whole list to the left, or reduce the last padding value on the li to cut the space between the bullet and the text. I see... i resolved it with a negative left margin on the ul but i'll try your solution ... not a big fan of negative margins :-) tnx for the help! -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.24 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. My girlfriend always laughs during sex -no matter what she's reading. - Emo Philips __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] margin/padding and li problem
Good evening David, It was foretold that on 21/9/2007 @ 18:46:02 GMT-0400 (which was 19:46:02 where I live) David Laakso would write: snipped a bit I may not get what you want. The names of the clients and the phone numbers on 1 line, instead of, in this case, getting the phone numbers pushed to another line. Sorry if i wasn't clear. But, rather than adjusting the list, have you tried adjusting its container? That's another option David, that worked but it needed more adjustments to get the container right with the other pages. Instead i opted for Rowan's solution: reducing the left margin on the #contentright ul to move the whole list to the left. But tnx for your input. Sometimes CSS offers different solutions for the same prob :-) -- Best regards, Luc _ http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.24 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Why is it drug addicts and computer aficionados are both called users? - Clifford Stoll, 1995. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] No brainer with margin/padding
Good evening list, This has got to be a no-brainer but i can't get my hands on it: i've got a customed error page where the margin/padding is driving me nuts. the h1 holds the warning: Error 403: Forbidden Access forbidden to remote server The goal is to have Error 403: sitting flush to the left of the container and to have Forbidden Access forbidden to remote server flush to the right of the container. Error 403: has a class with a float: left. This of course does the trick but i was trying to get the same effect without float, just by using marging/padding but that doesn't fall to well... trying several values i couldn't get it aligned like i want. http://www.dzinelabs.com/projects/MPT/Pages/error http://www.dzinelabs.com/Stylesheets/error -- Best regards, Luc Powered by The Bat! version 3.99.3 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. You can tell who are beginners in love by the fact they just can't give up. - Kim Basinger - US actress. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7 information -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
