Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- Samatha 'Smith' wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-07 19:00:57 EST, you write: With a kiss, the frog turns into a gorgeous 15-year old girl. "And that, your honor, is how the girl ended up in my room so help me God or my name is not William Jefferson Clinton." I'd rather have a sexually active man in the WH than a man with alzheimer's. And, as long as it is acceptable to viciously bash Presidents on this list, anyone have any good DROOL and DIAPER jokes? Samantha *** Repost *** -Original Message- From: L. Shipton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 12:32 AM Subject: [CTRL] The Future - Could Be Now http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/TheFuture.htm "The Future - Could Be Now" (c) 23 Jan 99 by Laura Lee Lanning*Shipton Under Construction and Constant De-Spell-Bugging Check the link between developmental fats and oils, under 2) The Impact of Outside and Chemical Influences on the Body and Brain Canola Healthy? - http://www.1999.com/canola/ Oils Vegetable and Animal - Health Risks from Processed Foods and Trans. Fats: An interview with Mary Enig, Ph.D. - http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/passwater/enig01.htm realize that in The children in the USA (seem to) get most of their fats from milk. also check out antibiotics under #7 Health. (new 23 Jan 99)What does this mean? Look at what oils are at your market. Check the labels on your favorite foods. Would you believe that a favorite crinkle cut, frozen potato has Canola oil as a ingredient? Now knowing that fats are crucial for the body and that even the brain has a large percentage of fat in it, what would happen, if you were to take out all the fat that the body is capable of utilizing, or at least utilizing easily? Here in the USA (it seems that) our primary source of fat for developing children is milk. Since the milk has BGH which means the cattle have required more antibiotics - those could well be in the milk too. What could this mean? Someone saying that we can not attack BGH because parents might take their children off of milk and - IF you do that you need to have information about the detrimental ways that oils and fats are processed. Just look at cottonseed oil, or even soybean oil which is often processed with solvents. Where could that lead to - the farmer! Yet, consider what this might lead to IF this continues at the current rate. Will anyone trust naturally grown food or meat? Would we be talked into cloning all our meat? Cloning all our food? Take a look at all the things that are already on my page, I have many more to add, I am hearing of more daily and many more could be under authorization - even at this date. Yet, would they keep all these items out of the cloned food and meat or just find more to add. Recently there was a go ahead to spray crops with MSG. I do not know if it was implemented but would this mean that only food sprayed with MSG would be appealing to children? MSG is a excitotoxin, so would the children basically go into withdraw if they do not get it? Also IF we are ever able to go from cloning to replicating. Imagine who would control the (cloned?) replicator material? The Pharmaceutical companies? What of off shore banks, one Euro currency, maybe one American currency? Could this lead to a World Monopoly? Would the World Bank eventually end up being the only bank? I say Viva La Difference! Currency seems to be converted easily enough when you buy on line. Could it be that the technology for replication is already in place? Who would know what patents are in the patent office, or what inventions are already being used by the Military - that will soon trickle down to the public? Who would know? Would people in the government know? Who would have control, Cattle Futures anyone? Or should I say grain futures? Could be there might even be a new one - anyone for futures on "Human Life?" Many of these things seem to be happening or continuing under the Clinton administration, yet would I look to Bill Clinton? He has not been the one that has done the research in that family! Who would I look at, why at Hillary of course. If the Cliftons know that this will happen soon or could be in the future - could you imagine what it would be like with all these chemicals out on the market?Mainly people sick or dying, a data base of all purchases that you have received through the replicate, what chemicals were add. Recently a group of people died from artificial blood, of course they volunteered for the experiment? No, they did not. This is the type of bills that are passing or that are allowed to continue. So, with the ideas that the current administration has shown, what will happen if replication is a reality?
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remember the Iran Contra and several other investigations of propriety and lies: "Senator, I have NO recollection." Unlike most politicians, it may actually be true that he had no recollection. In which case he was unfit to hold office and should've been removed. That's the Reagan dilemma - he either lied, and should have been impeached and removed, or he was too addlepated to function, and should have been removed. But he had great popularity, so he remained in office. Thus with Willy J: whatever his crimes [and he wasn't impeached for his really vile offenses], it's impolitic to try to oust him. Business booms, peace reigns, and it's his watch. We murkans don't really care what our presidents do, as long as the economy is good and we're not at war. Cousin Jimmy was damn near a saint, but inflation soared and the Ayatollah prevailed, and Jimmy was a goner. Bush won a ?great? war but the economy sucked while he vacationed, so he hit the shitpile of political luzers. Nixon could have gotten away with building concentration camps and otherwise shitting on the constitution, if OPEC hadn't blown the economy away. When times are good, the Prez can do anything, pork anybody, commit whatever crime they want. When times are bad, angels are crucified. Ric "just another un-indicted co-conspirator" Carter DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why the Media loves to hate Iraq...
-Caveat Lector- Eric Stewart wrote: -Caveat Lector- Attention Iraq activists and researchers: The article below is an interesting look into the world of Public Relations (PR), the mainstream media, and the manufacture of America's blood lust for Iraq. The article is taken from the 3 feb. 99 issue of Eat the State! (Vol. 3, Issue #20), a Seattle-based forum for anti-authoritarian political opinion humor. If you are interested in contacting Eat the State, they can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yours in the struggle, Erik Gustafson, EPIC snip The obvious reasons the U.S. wants to crush Iraq is to control the flow of oil. Does the oil industry influence news coverage of Iraq (or for that matter any other oil producing country like, say, Nigeria, which we're now told is becoming more open to dissent)? They might if they had a pipeline to the boardrooms--and as it turns out, they do. The New York Times has a director who also sits on the board at Texaco. At Times Mirror you can find a director from Amoco. Ashland is represented at the Washington Post. Phillips Petroleum has a director at Knight-Ridder. Meanwhile Gannett, the nation's largest newspaper chain and owner of USA Today, has a director from du Pont, which technically isn't an oil company, but you'd be hard pressed to find many of their products that aren't made from petroleum. The same holds true on the broadcast side. Mobil and Chevron representatives sit on the board at Time Warner, which owns CNN and Time Magazine. CBS has directors from Ashland and Sunoco. Exxon has someone on the board at NBC, as does Goodyear, whose tires are made of synthetic rubber which is made from oil. The fact that certain companies that use a lot of oil have directors who also serve on the boards of media companies would seem to me to cause those media companies to favor the lifting of sanction. Would these companies not benefit from a greater supply of oil and thus a lower price for a raw material necessary for the production of their products? Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Germanic 'barbarians' likely pleasant, archeologists argue
-Caveat Lector- At 12:17 AM 2/9/99 EST, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Germanic 'barbarians' likely pleasant, archeologists argue We've had 'NICE' Men-In-Black, Bad greymen in Independence 'Gray', nice barbarians, nasty scotsmen ... etc etc was it Gurdyeff who said that if we can survive we must 'hate what we love and love what we hate' sounds like Tavistock style social engineering [IMO] nice bit of disorientation before we get repatterned :) It 'naturally' leads onto the idea that Christ was a Bad Guy and Lucifer had a bad deal ... Andrew Hennessey Transformation Studies Group EdinburghScotland DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Tomorrow Snores About Today (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/8/99 6:09:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Conspiracy Nation is not going away tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow. But it is going away. In the meantime, there will still be reports. But one day, the reports will stop. Say it ain't so Brian! You are an ICON, a true trailblazer for the conspiracy theorists who flounder about in the vain search for truth! You are a demigod in the conspiracy theory business. I hope to see you around for some time to come, and still full of vast amounts of wisdom, or was it hot air, I can't remember which right now. . . . LOL Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] List Participation
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/8/99 8:58:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not true. The only time I will resort to name calling is if it is resorted to by others first and I never want to stifle "honest debate". Jim: Nope, this is not supported by any post I have read. I don't intend to take issue with you on this matter. It is not productive for either of us. Most of us are blind to our own faults. You need glasses more than most. I most definitely have faults, but one of them is NOT name calling to stifle "honest debate". I'm glad you realize the folly of debating this issue any further here since you have correctly surmised that it would benefit neither of us and has no place here on the list. I'm sure that you would readily admit to a bunch of faults and biases yourself? And to your own need of glasses, perhaps "more than most"? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Tapes the Tales
-Caveat Lector- From NY Daily News TV Misses Out on Ex-Intern's Manhandling of House Team WASHINGTON Picture: Lars-Erik NelsonPictureonica Lewinsky made her international television debut as a star witness yesterday, but House impeachment prosecutors left her best scenes on the cutting room floor. Lewinsky on the hot seat turns out to be the greatest performance since a judge asked Mae West, "Are you trying to show contempt for this court?" And West replied: "No, your honor, I'm doing my best to conceal it." In her taped deposition, recorded last week, Lewinsky ran rings around the House prosecutors as they tried to use her to incriminate the President. But when snippets of that deposition were played for the Senate yesterday, the scenes in which Lewinsky made the House interrogators look like fools were somehow missing. Picture: byrdr_sen.JPG (6406 bytes)PictureRep. Ed Bryant (R) When Rep. Ed Bryant (R-Tenn.) complained that there was no point in proceeding with the deposition if he had to restrict his questions to her prior testimony, Lewinsky immediately interjected, "Sounds good to me." When Bryant started withdrawing his own clumsy multi-part questions, he noted, "I'm making my own objections now." Immediately, Lewinsky piped up, "We sustain those, too." When Sen. Mike DeWine (R-Ohio) pointed out that her microphone was picking up a private conversation with her lawyers, she said, "Sorry, I was only saying nice things about you all." This poised 25-year-old woman, whom the House Republicans once derided as a marginal employee who could not get a job without Clinton's intervention, suddenly became, in the words of Rep. Jim Rogan (R-Calif.), "an intelligent, articulate young woman." According to the transcript of her deposition, Lewinsky corrected her fumbling interrogators on dates, wouldn't let them put words into her mouth and knew enough to balk when they asked unfocused, multiple questions. It was not exactly a fair contest. With 23 prior interrogations under her belt, Lewinsky probably had more experience at courtroom give-and-take than her questioners. She also was able to slip an elegant shiv into Clinton. Bryant: I assume you think [Clinton] is a very intelligent man? Lewinsky: I think he's an intelligent President. Amazingly, Lewinsky walks out of this with the one thing that we all thought had been forever denied to her: dignity. The House impeachment managers, meanwhile, have been reduced to a state of whimpering. They clearly have given up hope of winning the two-thirds vote needed to remove Clinton, but they are now striving for a majority verdict of guilty on at least one of the two impeachment counts. In their minds, that would vindicate the House vote to impeach the President and would let them claim some blighted form of victory. But what a mess they leave in their wake. In his zeal to convict Clinton, independent counsel Kenneth Starr stripped Lewinsky of all privacy and forced her to confess the most intimate details of her sweaty gropings with her low-rent lover, the commander-in-chief. Lewinsky has a cruel and selfish streak. She tormented her former lover Andy Bleiler by threatening to expose their affair to his wife. She used people to help and defend her her first lawyer, Frank Carter, and her spokeswoman, Judy Smith and cast them aside. She shows all the signs of a spoiled brat. As punishment, she has lost her privacy, her employability, perhaps her marriage prospects forever all for a failed attempt to oust the President. At the end of this four-year nightmare, Starr is under investigation for illegal leaks. The House prosecutors are slinking away in defeat, and the rest of the GOP worries that it might lose control of the Congress in 2000. White House aides are mortgaging their homes to pay legal bills. The two people whose lives are most shattered are Monica Lewinsky and Linda Tripp, the yenta who set all this in motion by telling Starr that Clinton was having an illicit affair. And standing amid this general wreckage with a smile on his lips and gaiety in his heart, figuring out how to save Medicare, preserve Social Security and preserve prosperity, is Bill Clinton, without a mark on him. Some people are lucky like that. It is best to stay far away from them. Original Publication Date: 02/07/1999 Experts Give Tapes Thumbs-Up By DAVID NOONAN Daily News Staff Writer Pictureep. Henry Hyde called them a "pitiful three" and wanted 12 more, but there was nothing pitiful about the video-taped performances of impeachment witnesses Monica Lewinsky, Vernon Jordan and Sidney Blumenthal yesterday. Experts were impressed by the trio's grace under Republican fire. "Monica was incredibly well-prepared," said Joseph Rice, head of the Jury Research Institute in San Francisco. "She made great eye contact with the questioner. She looked very serious. Her response time was great. There was no hesitancy." PicturePicture: mon_listens.JPG (9162
[CTRL] Don't Quote: Dowd
-Caveat Lector-
From
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/features/99/02/04/DON_T_QUOTE_ME.html
The Boston Phoenix
February 4 - 11, 1999
Picture: [Don't Quote Me]
Immaterial girl
Deconstructing the mean-spirited nihilism of Maureen Dowd
Don't Quote Me by Dan Kennedy
Maureen Down isn't the worst newspaper columnist in the country. She's not
even the worst columnist on the New York Times's op-ed page. That
distinction belongs to Abe Rosenthal, the retired executive editor turned
ranting, purple-faced pundit. But Rosenthal isn't the toast of the
commentariat; Dowd is. Her superficial, lightly reported, mean-spirited,
and utterly mainstream "Liberties" column has become one of the few
must-reads in the national press. Her personal life is the source of
endless fascination and speculation. (She's currently rumored to be
involved with the actor Michael Douglas.) Her appearances on Imus in the
Morning are as rare, and as eagerly anticipated, as audiences with the
pope.
Call her our most celebrated bad columnist.
Dowd's awfulness is more complex, and more frustrating, than mere hackery,
for it is a natural outgrowth of her immense talents -- her sharp eye, her
sure command of the language, her knack for the illuminating pop-culture or
literary reference. As a White House correspondent, she helped
revolutionize political reporting with her nasty wit and novelistic detail.
Her best-known lead, on a 1994 homecoming by one of Oxford University's
most famous alumni: "President Clinton returned today for a sentimental
journey to a university where he didn't inhale, didn't get drafted, and
didn't get a degree."
Dowd's edgy journalism has always been controversial, and many of her
critics were relieved when she moved to the op-ed page, in 1995, where her
opinions would be clearly labeled as such. (Dowd replaced Anna Quindlen, a
feminist trailblazer who left the Times to write novels.) Trouble is,
relieving Dowd of the burden of actually having to cover stories served
only to reinforce her most solipsistic tendencies. On the surface, her
columns appear to be about presidential sex, Hollywood, even the Irish
peace process. In truth, her work is nearly always about herself.
It is difficult to imagine a development more felicitous to Dowd (and, to
be fair, to every pundit and professional blabber in the country) than the
emergence of the Monica Lewinsky scandal in January 1998. You could almost
hear Dowd sucking wind during the weeks before the scandal broke: the
halfhearted attempt to make fun of that briefly famous photo of the
thunder-thighed First Couple dancing on the beach; a rumination on Woody
Allen's morality ("Everything that follows is perfectly obvious, but I
can't stop thinking it"); and a takedown of "spoiled rich brat" Bill Gates
that somehow managed to skip in its entirety the Justice Department's
antitrust case against Microsoft.
By contrast, the Lewinsky affair, with its salacious combination of sex,
sin, and celebrity, played to Dowd's real interests and supplied her with
fodder for many, many, many columns. Always vicious to the Clintons, her
commentary crashed over the edge, and she developed a reputation as one of
the media's leading Clinton-bashers. She wrote an imaginary letter to
Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, which gave her a chance to contrast
the public's hypocritical outrage over Thomas's sexual harassment of Anita
Hill with its blasé dismissal of Clinton's sexual exploitation of a young
intern. (Never mind that Thomas was confirmed and Clinton was impeached.)
She wrote a hilarious piece imagining the advice political consultants
would give to Bill and Hillary on how to behave toward each other on
Valentine's Day. And she joined the chorus in writing unctuously
condescending tributes to White House secretary Betty Currie ("a modest,
moral, religious woman who is not partisan and who is not out for herself")
-- who, of course, was later revealed to be a virtual procurer, even to the
point of sneaking Lewinsky in under the nose of presidential sex cop Evelyn
Lieberman.
The funny thing about this is that Dowd -- who, in reality, stands for
nothing beyond that day's column -- became known as a partisan, and started
taking flak from the Clintons' defenders.
Historian and author Garry Wills, writing in the New York Post (of all
places), asserted several weeks into the scandal, "Any journalist must be
super strenuous to take the vileness award away from Maureen Dowd." (Wills
may have ingested a bad mushroom: he somehow managed to transform Dowd's
sentence "The revolution always eats its own" into a "slimy sexual
innuendo." Dowd, you see, had also referred to a bizarre Dick Morris
comment about Hillary's alleged lesbianism, and -- well, never mind.)
National Journal media critic William Powers identified Dowd as one of a
handful of Irish-Catholic pundits who were outraged by Clinton's bad
behavior because of their religious backgrounds. Others in the group,
Powers reported,
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter wrote: -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remember the Iran Contra and several other investigations of propriety and lies: "Senator, I have NO recollection." Unlike most politicians, it may actually be true that he had no recollection. In which case he was unfit to hold office and should've been removed. That's the Reagan dilemma - he either lied, and should have been impeached and removed, or he was too addlepated to function, and should have been removed. But he had great popularity, so he remained in office. *** It's interesting that so many have argued that Clinton should not be impeached just because he committed a couple of felonies, but you can suggest that Reagan should have because he had a poor memory. I am not even sure that the real evidence of him having a problem showed up until his failure to remember one of his staff in a deposition he gave after his presidency. Another interesting thing about this whole impeachment thing is that the Senators who support Clinton keep quoting the "high crimes and misdemeanors" clause and say that his wasn't a high crime. However, so far, I haven't heard a definition of "misdemeanor" and if that would not apply. My understanding is that perjury and obstruction of justice are both felonies and that, as far as I know, is more serious then a misdemeanor. Thus with Willy J: whatever his crimes [and he wasn't impeached for his really vile offenses], it's impolitic to try to oust him. Business booms, peace reigns, and it's his watch. We murkans don't really care what our presidents do, as long as the economy is good and we're not at war. Cousin Jimmy was damn near a saint, but inflation soared and the Ayatollah prevailed, and Jimmy was a goner. Bush won a ?great? war but the economy sucked while he vacationed, so he hit the shitpile of political luzers. Nixon could have gotten away with building concentration camps and otherwise shitting on the constitution, if OPEC hadn't blown the economy away. *** This is probably incorrect. The economy was "blown away" by Nixon's ending of the dollars link with gold. The subsequent change in the relationship between the two was reacted to by the OPEC nations with a raising of their prices to reflect its true worth. Gold and oil almost directly mirrored each others rise in relationship to US dollars. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] I-Net Regulation
-Caveat Lector- A little something about the I-Net debate. This is the lead-in page; the areas shown below with the dots/bullets before the text are embedded links (clickable at the site). From Policy.CoM http://www.policy.com/issuewk/1999/0208_56/index.html Issue of the Week Regulating the Internet Monday, February 08, 1999 Picture: Issue of the WeekThe number of Americans using the Internet continues to grow at a rapid pace. As more people go online, more people become aware of some of the long-standing problems of cyberspace. In recent years, some Internet users have become increasingly vocal in calling upon Washington to regulate the Net; others have been equally vocal in demanding that the government maintain its hands-off stance. Among the problems lawmakers have tried to address are children's ability to access inappropriate materials, the potential for companies to collect and distribute individuals' personal information, cryptological technology that could make e-commerce more secure but could also be used for criminal or terrorist purposes, and the widespread use of unsolicited commercial e-mail. Introduction Protecting Children Online Legislating Decency: COPA and CDA Exploring the Alternatives Protecting Personal Privacy Some See Serious Threats... ...While Others Are More Serene Encryption Cutting Spam Resources Your Chance to Weigh In!-- Join our interactive bulletin board. AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Germanic 'barbarians' likely pleasant,archeologists argue
-Caveat Lector- Andrew Hennessey wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 12:17 AM 2/9/99 EST, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Germanic 'barbarians' likely pleasant, archeologists argue We've had 'NICE' Men-In-Black, Bad greymen in Independence 'Gray', nice barbarians, nasty scotsmen ... etc etc was it Gurdyeff who said that if we can survive we must 'hate what we love and love what we hate' sounds like Tavistock style social engineering [IMO] nice bit of disorientation before we get repatterned :) It 'naturally' leads onto the idea that Christ was a Bad Guy and Lucifer had a bad deal ... It may also be that the "Barbarians" were treated fairly well by the Romans (probably because they were not that strong in the area). So they traded and got along as best as could be. Probably enjoyed the benefits of association with people with a higher technology and culture. They probably were also smart enough to know that it might be safer to get along then to fight. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!!
-Caveat Lector- YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Edward Britton wrote: This was sent to me, and I know it is not impossible. When I was a young girl, they were doing similar things with needles, only it was to drug the girls and take them away for prostitution in hiding...so this could be possible. You probably believe the organ-harvesting story, the 'you'll be killed if you flash your headlights' story, the 'send a card to this sick kid' story, the 'Disney and Microsoft are giving free trips to Disneyland' story, and the Nieman-Marcus cookie story, too... THIS IS A HOAX AND AN URBAN LEGEND. Then again, one day a story will come along like this and you will simply dismiss it as an 'urban hoax' only to become a victim of it. So, don't always believe what you hear, but at least take note of it. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Bush for Prez (#43,567,852)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/8/99 9:28:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ``He has his own network and he inherits the network of his dad,'' said Guy Molinari, the Staten Island borough president and a former congressman. ``He represents our best opportunity for taking back the presidency.'' You know, that's exactly what worries me. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, "Howard R. Davis III" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's interesting that so many have argued that Clinton should not be impeached just because he committed a couple of felonies, but you can suggest that Reagan should have because he had a poor memory. Indeed he should have, as should any president who can no longer function in office; there was plenty of other stuff with which Reagan could have been impeached, also Bush... But just because THEY weren't, is no reason Clinton shouldn't have been impeached and be removed from office... The Klintonistas insistance on whining about "what about what Reagan and Bush did?" reminds one of the same tune sung by Nixon's supporters during Watergate: "Everyone ELSE did it!" And the Nixonians duly trotted out all the sins of Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, and Johnson... I am not even sure that the real evidence of him having a problem showed up until his failure to remember one of his staff in a deposition he gave after his presidency. I don't know -- all the news clips showing him asleep at cabinet and summit meetings sort of gave ME a clue the guy seemed to be getting up in years and having a problem remaining attentive for more than a few minutes at a time... Senility -- especially Alzheimer's -- takes YEARS to develop into the full-blown dementia Reagan now displays...the first signs can show up a good 10, 15, 20 years before full dementia ensues... This is probably incorrect. The economy was "blown away" by Nixon's ending of the dollars link with gold. The subsequent change in the relationship between the two was reacted to by the OPEC nations with a raising of their prices to reflect its true worth. Also, it ignores that it was afterwards that there was NEVER any 'oil shortage', that indeed the major oil companies (to which the Bush family has major ties) had vast stockpiles of oil sitting in holding tanks along the east, west, and gulf coasts... Rather than OPEC driving up prices, it was the western oil companies manipulating the situation to 'justify' a vast increase in the price of oil... June === "To love another person is to see the face of God." -Les Miserables === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Germanic 'barbarians' likely pleasant,archeologists argue
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, "Howard R. Davis III" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: was it Gurdyeff who said that if we can survive we must 'hate what we love and love what we hate' sounds like Tavistock style social engineering [IMO] nice bit of disorientation before we get repatterned It may also be that the "Barbarians" were treated fairly well by the Romans (probably because they were not that strong in the area). So they traded and got along as best as could be. Probably enjoyed the benefits of association with people with a higher technology and culture. They probably were also smart enough to know that it might be safer to get along then to fight. Which is very typical of the Dutch to this very day... But I wonder why viewing the Germanic peoples who resided in what is now the Netherlands as peaceful people is considered akin to 'hating what we love' or 'loving what we hate'...what's so bad about Germanic people being found to be peace-loving rather than to have been 'rampaging barbarians'... Seems to me it's akin to what happened with the Neanderthal -- when first discovered during the Victorian era, Neanderthals were also depicted as 'barbarians', albeit slow, clumsy, and stupid...a concept which continued well into the modern era, as Neanderthals were almost always shown in movie and TV as little more than apes, always violent towards the more 'civilized' Cro Magnons... Yet recent archeological discoveries have shown the Neanderthals to have been a relatively sophisticated people, who obviously took loving care of their sick and maimed loved ones, and lovingly buried them... June === "To love another person is to see the face of God." -Les Miserables === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!!
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Source - Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You probably believe the organ-harvesting story, the 'you'll be killed if you flash your headlights' story, the 'send a card to this sick kid' story, the 'Disney and Microsoft are giving free trips to Disneyland' story, and the Nieman-Marcus cookie story, too... THIS IS A HOAX AND AN URBAN LEGEND. Then again, one day a story will come along like this and you will simply dismiss it as an 'urban hoax' only to become a victim of it. No, I will do what I always do, AND CHECK OUT IT'S VALIDITY BEFORE ROUTINELY SPAMMING IT FAR AND WIDE ON THE INTERNET. I will use my CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS to analyze whether it shows any possible validity, or as in this case displays the blatant signs of a hoax. June === "To love another person is to see the face of God." -Les Miserables === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/8/99 10:21:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, but it IS sexual harassment in the workplace... No June it is not. I don't care how they define sexual harassment these days. I've experience it, and I know how it makes you feel. Two people having sex in the workplace is imprudent. Most cases of sexual harassment do not end up with consensual sex. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/8/99 10:35:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Especially since it's been documented that on at least two occasions, he couldn't put aside his sexual appetite long enough to conduct the business the public elected him to do and for which we pay his salary, to whit keeping Yassar Arafat cooling his heels in the Rose Garden while Billy was entertained by Monica's 'cigar dance', and discussing sending troops to Bosnia with various congressman while Monica was going down on him... Definitely sounds like someone who has problems realizing what priorities are... Sounds like someone's fantasy to me. This stuff is still in the area of unproven anything. Besides, it pales next to the stuff that Kennedy and Johnson did. Perhaps it just proves that most of our successful politicians have more libido than the rest of us. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/8/99 11:26:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unlike most politicians, it may actually be true that he had no recollection. And it may not. We haven't actually had a report of his condition from anyone but the family and close friends. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!!
-Caveat Lector- revcoal wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Source - Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You probably believe the organ-harvesting story, the 'you'll be killed if you flash your headlights' story, the 'send a card to this sick kid' story, the 'Disney and Microsoft are giving free trips to Disneyland' story, and the Nieman-Marcus cookie story, too... THIS IS A HOAX AND AN URBAN LEGEND. Then again, one day a story will come along like this and you will simply dismiss it as an 'urban hoax' only to become a victim of it. No, I will do what I always do, AND CHECK OUT IT'S VALIDITY BEFORE ROUTINELY SPAMMING IT FAR AND WIDE ON THE INTERNET. I will use my CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS to analyze whether it shows any possible validity, or as in this case displays the blatant signs of a hoax. June OK HAL. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- Source - Richard wrote: -Caveat Lector- Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/8/99 4:19:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: somewhat baffling. Allow me to explain. Clinton has engaged in oral sex, mutual masturbation, phone sex, proposed sodomy and used a cigar as a dildo. All with a woman half his age and not his wife. I think this qualifies as a case of thinking a bit too much with the old mushroom pole, if you catch my meaning. It has nothing to do with how much sex he is having. As far as my definition of normal, I can safely say one thing: None of the above qualifies. Okay, but none of the above is rare around this country. Your definition of normal is your definition. So what does that mean? Have to agree with you there Pru. I don't know about JBrown, but where i come from Oral sex and mutual masturbation is not exactly Bestiality or Incest!! What amounts to sexual harrashment during tax payers time. If he had been 40 she would have been ten. He was "about" 50 and she was about 20. Age is physically, chronologically, mentally, and emotionally. You are implying that since she was at the chronological age of consent, that since she was female and that he was capable of giving her a job if she put out, that it was not to cover us the possible "fact" that he actually is in to group sex. That possible imtimidation by an role model is acceptable. That he is trying to make it so that it looks like we are just picking on him. To me this ranks in the area of someone taking advantage of a young teenager (or younger) well "I know they were sexually molested but they liked it, and since they already know how to do it - well, it's OK"Laura aka The Pied Piper DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYT: Experts Find No Arms Chemicals at Bombed Sudan Plant
-Caveat Lector- NY Times Online http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/africa/020999sudan-plant.html February 9, 1999 Experts Find No Arms Chemicals at Bombed Sudan Plant By JAMES RISEN and DAVID JOHNSTON WASHINGTON -- Chemists who examined soil, sludge and debris samples from a Sudanese pharmaceutical plant destroyed in August by American cruise missiles found no traces of chemical weapon compounds, according to a scientist hired by the owner of the plant. The findings, though prepared privately for lawyers for the owner, who is now seeking redress from the United States, raise new questions about the government's reliance on tests of soil samples from the site obtained clandestinely by the CIA. American officials had said the samples contained traces of Empta, a precursor used in the production of deadly VX nerve gas. The United States attacked the Al Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum and suspected terrorist training camps near Khost, Afghanistan, on Aug. 20 in an effort to curb the activities of the Saudi exile Osama bin Laden after the bombings of two American embassies in East Africa. American officials have said the bin Laden terrorist network was behind the bombings of the diplomatic missions in Kenya and Tanzania. Bin Laden has denied any role in the bombings. At the heart of the new evidence are 13 carefully cataloged samples taken from the wrecked plant and its grounds late in October. The sampling project was designed and supervised by Thomas Tullius, chairman of the chemistry department at Boston University. "The point of what we did was to carefully and scientifically collect samples from a variety of locations and have them analyzed by one of the top laboratories in the world for this kind of work," Tullius said in an interview. "What they found was that in those samples, to the practical limits of scientific detection, there was no Empta or Empa, its breakdown product." In response to the new findings, Clinton administration officials said they stood by their decision to strike the plant. The officials dismissed the findings of chemists working on behalf of the plant's owner, Salih Idris, noting that their soil samples were taken long after the United States obtained its soil from the site and long after the bombing and rains could have dispersed incriminating evidence. Moreover, while they acknowledged that they did not know that Idris owned the plant at the time of the attack, other American officials say they now have strong evidence linking him to bin Laden. "We stand by our evidence indicating the presence of a chemical weapons precursor at this plant," said P.J. Crowley, a spokesman for the National Security Council at the White House. "We stand by our evidence linking this plant to Osama bin Laden's network. We continue to believe that this was an appropriate action to pre-empt Osama bin Laden from further attacks against the United States." Several ground locations at the plant were surveyed, along with interior sites in the plant that were covered by debris and partly protected from rain. One location, a septic tank, was found intact and provided what Tullius said was a historical record of the chemicals flushed through the plant drains. The lab analysis found that none of the samples contained detectable levels of Empta, nor did they find Empa, the subsidiary compound into which Empta rapidly breaks down. Empta, Tullius said, breaks down within days, but Empa remains in the soil, and even in small quantities would be detectable for weeks or months after contact with the ground. In addition to the evaluation of the new soil samples, an international security company, Kroll Associates, was hired by Idris' lawyers to conduct a detailed review of the Shifa controversy. In their report, made available to The New York Times, Kroll Associates found no evidence of a direct link between Idris and bin Laden. The scientists and investigators were hired by the law firm of Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer Feld, which represents Idris, a Sudanese-born Saudi businessman. The law firm has a long-held reputation of influence in Democratic circles with partners like Robert Strauss, the former Democratic Party chairman, and Vernon Jordan, a close friend of President Clinton. But its credentials have not benefited Idris. The firm's lawyers have been flatly rebuffed in their efforts to present their findings to the White House, National Security Council or the Justice, Treasury and Defense Departments. "We've been confronted with the problem of proving a series of negatives that there was no Empta at the plant and that Idris was not a terrorist," said Mark MacDougall, a partner at the law firm. "We think we've done that with evidence that can be admitted in court. But to date responsible officials, including at the White House, have flatly refused to look at the facts. We're sorry about that." The lawyers have not yet decided whether they will sue the government, in what would
[CTRL] Fwd: [CTRL] Fw: [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: MSNBC's New Lineup: Same...
In a message dated 99-02-08 16:04:26 EST, you write: In the Nixon case, Gerald Ford was his replacement and he was not elected even as vice-president. I don't remember this being an issue. My understanding is that if Gore becomes president a new vice-president would be appointed. In Ford's case, Nelson Rockefeller was appointed to replace him. So, we had a vice president and a president who both had been appointed and not elected to their offices. And one was a Rockefeller! Howard Davis The issue of overturning an election is a serious one. The Nixon impeachment had bipartisan support and the support of the public. I've never heard it suggested it was a coup. The question here is whether or not impeaching Clinton could be considered a coup de etat. The argument made being that Gore would become President and it wouldn't be a coup. I disagree. Overthrowing an elected President by subversive means, whether or not a political ally would then become President is still a coup, in my opinion. Isn't it true that the Senate had to approve Rockefeller's appointment as VP? If so, as we've seen with judgeships and cabinet posts, approval of Clinton appointees has repeatedly been delayed. If the approval process were delayed long enough for "something to happen" to Gore, the Speaker would become President. After seeing that there is no point BELOW which the President's enemies will not go to regain the WH, I wouldn't put anything past them. They can't seem to "earn it the old-fashioned way" and, having no honor whatsoever, will beg, borrow, slander and steal to have it back. Samantha
[CTRL] Fwd: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
In a message dated 99-02-08 14:18:16 EST, you write: You say that turnabout is fair play, but how is bashing a sick old man who has nothing to do with Clinton fair play? I would say that in this instance a proper case of turnabout would be in the form of attacks on Ken Starr. JB A President whom I admire, whose well-being I am concerned about, and with whom I agree on most issues, is under vicious attack. After suffering through twelve years of the cold-hearted policies of Reagan and Bush, I have seen hope for the future of our country. This is no small matter to me. To watch as he is investigated and impeached, mocked and ridiculed, offends me deeply. Fair play is to lash out at the icon of my political foes: Ronald Reagan. Let's say for argument's sake, that Reagan was not suffering from alzheimer's while President. Then you're right, it is unfair of me to ask for jokes about diapers. He's a sick old man, long out of office. However, if he wasn't ill, as you postulate, then he was by far the only man on the planet who could make Dan Quayle look like a genius. Therefore, alzheimer's aside, the "vegetable" joke and the requests for drooling jokes are still valid. Samantha
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- " Have to agree with you there Pru. I don't know about JBrown, but where i come from Oral sex and mutual masturbation is not exactly Bestiality or Incest!!" You see, it's this type of slow-wittedness that keeps this discussion from reaching a logical end. The fact that you cannot grasp the point I was trying to make is painfully evident in your cheap shot at me. Let me try to explain this to you. WHAT the president did is neither here nor there. WHO he did it with is the issue. Did that totally go over your head? Hey, I wouldn't even care if he got into bestiality, as you so wittily stated. That's his own business. The fact that he got involved with an EMPLOYEE of his who is HALF HIS AGE is disturbing. Please, let's keep this discussion on the right track. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- Brown, Jeremy wrote: -Caveat Lector- " Have to agree with you there Pru. I don't know about JBrown, but where i come from Oral sex and mutual masturbation is not exactly Bestiality or Incest!!" You see, it's this type of slow-wittedness that keeps this discussion from reaching a logical end. The fact that you cannot grasp the point I was trying to make is painfully evident in your cheap shot at me. Let me try to explain this to you. WHAT the president did is neither here nor there. WHO he did it with is the issue. Did that totally go over your head? Hey, I wouldn't even care if he got into bestiality, as you so wittily stated. That's his own business. The fact that he got involved with an EMPLOYEE of his who is HALF HIS AGE is disturbing. Please, let's keep this discussion on the right track. JBrown said: "oral sex, mutual masturbation, phone sex, proposed sodomy and used a cigar as a dildo. All with a woman half his age and not his wife. As far as my definition of normal, I can safely say one thing: None of the above qualifies." So what, Mr.Brown, is the above statement meant to mean. My so called 'cheap shot' was at your naivety and obvious lack of experience in life if you believe that the things you listed are abnormal!! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Thinking
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-02-08 19:26:35 EST, you write: It started out innocently enough. I began to think at parties now and then to loosen up. Inevitably though, one thought led to another, and soon I was more than just a social thinker. I began to think alone - "to relax," I told myself - but I knew it wasn't true. Thinking became more and more important to me, and finally I was thinking all the time. I began to think on the job. I knew that thinking and employment don't mix, but I couldn't stop myself. I began to avoid friends at lunchtime so I could read Thoreau and Kafka. I would return to the office dizzied and confused, asking, "What is it exactly we are doing here?" Things weren't going so great at home either. One evening I had turned off the TV and asked my wife about the meaning of life. She spent that night at her mother's. I soon had a reputation as a heavy thinker. One day the boss called me in. He said, " I like you, and it hurts me to say this, but your thinking has become a real problem. If you don't stop thinking on the job, you'll have to find another job." This gave me a lot to think about. I came home early after my conversation with the boss. "Honey," I confessed, "I've been thinking..." "I know you've been thinking," she said, "and I want a divorce!" "But Honey, surely it's not that serious." "It is serious," she said, lower lip aquiver. "You think as much as college professors, and college professors don't make any money, so if you keep on thinking we won't have any money!" "That's a faulty syllogism," I said impatiently, and she began to cry. I'd had enough. "I'm going to the library," I snarled as I stomped out the door. I headed for the library, in the mood for some Nietzsche. I roared into the parking lot and ran up to the big glass doors... they didn't open. The library was closed. As I sank to the ground clawing at the unfeeling glass, whimpering for Zarathustra, a poster caught my eye. "Friend, is heavy thinking ruining your life?" it asked. You probably recognize that line. It comes from the standard Thinkers Anonymous poster. Which is why I am what I am today: a recovering thinker. I never miss a TA meeting. At each meeting we watch a non-educational video; last week it was "Porky's." Then we share experiences about how we avoided thinking since the last meeting. I still have my job, and things are a lot better at home. Life just seemed... easier, somehow, as soon as I stopped thinking. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: BioWar on The People
With respect to the question of the nature of widespread reports of jets (many identified as U.S. Air Force) that are spraying something that dozens of people around the nation claim makes them and their communities sick, the following testimony of Professor Leonard A. Cole is most relevant and alarming. In the following testimony before the U.S. Senate, Dr. Cole covers facts regarding the U.S. military's spraying of HUNDREDS of populated areas in the U.S. with harmful chemicals and infectious pathogens as part of biological warfare experiments. Dr. Cole has a book on the topic that has received much praise: "Clouds of Secrecy: The Army's Germ-Warfare Tests Over Populated Areas," by Leonard A. Cole (http://amazon.com) Environmental News Service reports on U.S. Air Force jets seen spraying something that makes people sick: http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-12-01.html http://ens.lycos.com/ens/jan99/1999L-01-08-05.html == BEGIN DR. COLE'S TESTIMONY === = http://personalpages.tds.net/~kknowlto/openair.htm - United States Senate Testimony before the Committee on Veterans' Affairs May 6, 1994 Open Air Testing with Simulated Biological and Chemical Warfare Agents By Leonard A. Cole, Ph.D. My name is Leonard A. Cole, and I teach science and public policy at Rutgers University in Newark. My research interests include biological and chemical warfare policies, and I have written in particular about testing done in the U.S Army's biological defense program. I appreciate your invitation, Senator Rockefeller, to testify about experiments involving simulated biological and chemical warfare agents. These agents, which the army calls simulants, are intended to mimic more lethal bacteria and chemicals that might be used in actual warfare. As described in my book, Clouds of Secrecy, the army began a program in 1949 to assess the nation's vulnerability to attack with biological weapons. During the next 20 years, the army released simulant agents over hundreds of populated areas around the country. Targets included portions of Hawaii and Alaska, San Francisco, St. Louis, Minneapolis, New York City, Washington, D.C., Key West, and many other cities. The purpose was to see how the bacteria spread and survived as people went about their normal activities. Evidence suggested that the tests may have been causing illness to exposed citizens. Nevertheless, as army spokesmen subsequently testified, the health of the millions of people exposed was never monitored because the army assumed that the bacteria and chemicals were harmless. Vulnerability testing continues at Dugway Proving Ground, 70 miles from Salt Lake City. Several smaller communities are closer to the base, and Dugway itself is home to hundreds of civilians and military personnel and their families. The stated purpose of the tests is to evaluate biological detector systems and protective gear. Since tests involve spraying simulants outdoors, it is important to understand how much risk they pose to humans who are exposed. Official statements have not always been dear on this matter. A July 1993 news release by the Dugway Public Affairs Office indicates that "no specific safety controls or protection are required for testing with simulants." The statement implies, erroneously, that the simulants are harmless. In fact, during 45 years of open air testing, from time to time the army has stopped using certain simulants for reasons of safety. In each instance the army belatedly recognized they could be causing disease and death, although such information had long been available in the medical literature. This was the case in the 1950s when it ceased using the fungus Aspergillus fumigatus as a simulant. The fungus had long been known to cause aspergillosis, a disease that can be fatal. Similarly, in the 1960s the army stopped using zinc cadmium sulfide, a chemical that had been known for years to cause cancer. In the 1970s, the bacterium Serratia marcescens, a source of infections that can lead to death, was taken out of service as a simulant. And in the 1980s, dimethyl methylphosphonate, a chemical known as DPP, was removed from use as a simulant because of its carcinogenic and other toxic potential. I understand that one of today's witnesses, Earl Davenport, was exposed to DMMP at Dugway in 1984 and may still be suffering health problems as a result. Indeed, simulants now used at Dugway continue to pose risks. The chemical ethylene oxide, which is present in some of the mixtures used in outdoor spraying, is a known carcinogen. The bacterium Bacillus subtilis, while not generally seen as dangerous, is cited in medical textbooks as able to cause serious infections. In truth any microorganism that seems harmless under some circumstances may cause illness under others. Exposure to high concentrations of any
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- So what, Mr.Brown, is the above statement meant to mean. My so called 'cheap shot' was at your naivety and obvious lack of experience in life if you believe that the things you listed are abnormal!! Oh my GOD! Tell me you aren't really this dense! How many times do I have to explain this? OK, let's do this piece by piece. First up, I assume you are asking a question with that first sentence. However, since you don't seem to know how to use a question mark, it must remain an assumption. I will respond in kind, nonetheless. The above statement was meant to address the fact that our president engaged in various and sundry sexual acts with someone who is NOT HIS WIFE!!! Again, I'll say it...WHAT HE DID IS IRRELEVANT! I don't think anything that he did is abnormal! Just the fact that the other participant wasn't his wife. For you to turn it around into some sort of pre-pubescent gigglefest about my sex life just shows me how truly boneheaded you really are. JB P.S. Before you try and shoot me down by calling me naiveLEARN HOW TO SPELL N-A-I-V-E-T-E DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] re-post Hopsicker's Brave New World
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 97-09-13 18:22:04 EDT, you write: Daniel Hopsicker's Brave New World A review of "The Secret Heartbeat of America" by Allen Comstock September 13, 1997 Daniel Hopsicker's Brave New World by Allen Comstock Daniel Hopsicker's new film, "The Secret Heartbeat of America" is a key chronicle of official drug corruption in the United States. The film is well executed and breaks new ground in rendering the complicated accounts surrounding the astounding story of CIA Drug entanglements radiating from Mena, Arkansas. Aldus Huxley's "Brave New World," is a dystopic portrayal of a corrupted social framework. With frightening parallels to Huxley's classic work, Hopsicker's "Secret Heartbeat" is a piercing portrayal of the officially sanctioned drug corruption in Arkansas and throughout our country. I have communicated with Daniel Hopsicker several times by internet and by phone. After viewing Daniel's new film, I now feel those casual correspondences were productive far beyond my expectations. At one point months ago I was offered an advance copy of the video and I accepted but I was skeptical the complicated film project could achieve reality. After viewing the completed film, I believe Daniel Hopsicker is on his way to establishing himself as a major force in the conspiracy genre. "The Secret Heartbeat of America" is a major work. It should be required fare for anyone questioning consensus reality. The film considers the premise that US federal agencies run the illegal drug industry. To quote Hopsicker, "the biggest drug smuggler in the country . . . is the country." The film then introduces many of the characters we have grown to know in the scandals around Arkansas--Dan Lassater the bond king and cocaine baron, Jean Duffey, the Arkansas prosecuter who would not be quiet when her investigation began to be suppressed, prosecutor Dan Harmon who recently saw his tenure as one of Arkansas' most powful attorneys interrupted by drug-related racketeering convictions, Linda Ives, a mother of a murdered son who will not give up her search for justice and who has turned the "train death murders" into a main stream national story, Russell Welch, the Arkansas criminal investigator who asked embarrassing questions until he was nearly assassinated by anthrax poisoning, and many, many others. In addition to a witty and entertaining narrative, actually seeing these many of these participants for the first time is continuously fascinating. Hopsicker adroitly employs many classic film clips from major media reporting and discussion of the events of the drug smuggling scandal. For example, Hopsicker makes a grand reprise of President Ronald Reagan's feigned surprise at the downing of the Hassenfus C-123 air transport full of weapons in the Nicaraguan jungle. Hopsicker reveals the duplicity in the official reports and denials of many of the blatant events related to clandestine US involvement in Nicaragua and central America during the '70's and 80's. The meticulously scripted narrative reminds the viewer that US Vice President George Bush was operating and controlling the intelligence loop while he was in the White House during both Reagan's and his own administration. Hopsicker's portrayal makes it obvious that George Bush's involvement in the drug trade is very profound and has only just begun to be unravelled. American drug corruption is bi-partisan. The two hour Hopsicker film manages to organize an enormous range of material, framing the complexity of the drug scandals and sophisticated cover-ups littering the rural Arkansas landscape. Hopsicker acquired sensational news clips from local Arkansas television stations and blended them with his superior, colorful, droll narrative to portray the Dan Harmon scandal in its true ugliness. The anecdotal method used by Hopsicker makes a perfect satirical vehicle. For example an Arkansas newsman calls Jean Duffey, the crusading former prosecuting attorney, a "mental case" for making her claims of official corruption and then we see clips and interviews displaying Duffey's nemesis, Dan Harmon and other prime characters candidly discussing their various admitted involvements. The central character and focus of the film is deceased Louisiana pilot and businessman, Barry Seal, who operated a flying service heavily connected to Mena. Hopsicker demonstrates Barry Seal was murdered with possible duplicity and cooperation of both the Medellin Cartel and rogue elements of the US government. Hopsicker embellishes his story with interviews and quotes from Barry Seal's brother who implicates an unstable member of Seal's entourage in the murder. The film uses many local news clips of Barry Seal in Louisiana and Arkansas to reveal this chubby, affable fellow as a criminal kingpin with a story still shrouded in confusing disinformation. "The Secret Heartbeat of America" provides
[CTRL] Re-post American Concentration Camps Exist
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-03-04 05:18:48 EST, you write: www.thewinds.org/archive/government/camp9-97.html CIVILIAN INTERNMENT CAMPS UP FOR REVIEW In a revealing admission the Director of Resource Management for the U.S. Army confirmed the validity of a memorandum relating to the establishment of a civilian inmate labor program under development by the Department of the Army. The document states, "Enclosed for your review and comment is the draft Army regulation on civilian inmate labor utilization" and the procedure to "establish civilian prison camps on installations." Cherith Chronicle, June 1997. Civilian internment camps or prison camps, more commonly known as concentration camps, have been the subject of much rumor and speculation during the past few years in America. Several publications have devoted space to the topic and many talk radio programs have dealt with the issue. However, Congressman Henry Gonzales (D, Texas) clarified the question of the existence of civilian detention camps. In an interview the congressman stated, "the truth is yes - you do have these stand by provisions, and the plans are here...whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism...evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps." HISTORY OF CIVILIAN INTERNMENT CAMPS The concept of mass internment camps was implemented during the decade of the 1930's when the idea was either integrated into national security planning or put to actual use in the world's three socialistic experiments - the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and the United States under Roosevelt. On March 9, 1933, Adolph Hitler put his Dachau detention center into operation where thousands of his own countrymen were sent. (Source: Martin Gilber,The Holocaust). Stalin exterminated 7 to 10 million in his rural collectivization program from 1931-1933 and another 10 million in the purges of 1934-1939. It was this decade that the Soviet Gulag proved its worth. On August 24, 1939, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover met with FDR to develop a detention plan for the United States. Five months after this meeting, Hitler opened the Auschwitz detention center in Poland. On August 3, 1948, J. Edgar Hoover met with Attorney General J. Howard McGrath to form a plan whereby President Truman could suspend constitutional liberties during a national emergency. The plan was code-named "Security Portfolio" and, when activated, it would authorize the FBI to summarily arrest up to 20,000 persons and place them in national security detention camps. Prisoners would not have the right to a court hearing or habeas corpus appeal. Meanwhile, "Security Portfolio" allowed the FBI to develop a watch list of those who would be detained, as well as detailed information on their physical appearance, family, place of work, etc. (David Burnham, Above the Law). Two years later Congress approved the Internal Security Act of 1950 which contained a provision authorizing an emergency detention plan. Hoover was unhappy with this law because it did not suspend the constitution and it guaranteed the right to a court hearing (habeas corpus). "For two years, while the FBI continued to secretly establish the detention camps and work out detailed seizure plans for thousands of individuals, Hoover kept badgering...[Attorney General McGrath for] official permission to ignore the 1950 law and carry on with the more ferocious 1948 program. On November 25, 1952, the attorney general...caved in to Hoover." ibid. Congress repealed the Emergency Detention Act of 1950 more than twenty years later in 1971. Seemingly the threat of civilian internment in the United States was over, but not in reality. The Senate held hearings in December, 1975, revealing the ongoing internment plan which had never been terminated. The report, entitled, "Intelligence Activities, Senate Resolution 21", disclosed the covert agenda. In a series of documents, memos and testimony by government informants, the picture emerged of the designs by the federal government to monitor, infiltrate, arrest and incarcerate a potentially large segment of American society. The Senate report also revealed the existence of the Master Search Warrant (MSW) and the Master Arrest Warrant (MAW) which are currently in force. The MAW document, authorized by the United States Attorney General, directs the head of the FBI to: "Arrest persons whom I deem dangerous to the public peace and safety. These persons are to be detained and confined until further order." The MSW also instructs the FBI Director to "search certain premises where it is believed that there may be found contraband, prohibited articles, or other materials in violation of the Proclamation of the President of the United States." It includes such items as firearms, shortwave radio receiving sets, cameras, propaganda materials,
[CTRL] OEN 2/9/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Tiptoeing Through the Tulips The Age of the Day Trader Now don't you worry your little head about those Internet stocks The rise in the value of internet stocks has been variously described as irrational optimism, a mass delusion and a confidence trick. Such words barely capture the sheer exuberance of the internet world. The market capitalisation of Yahoo!, the leading internet company, has appreciated by 3,800 per cent since 1996 and is now worth 480 times expected earnings for 1999. Yahoo is worth more than Texaco or Merrill Lynch. America Online, the largest internet company, has risen by 34,000 per cent since 1992 and is now worth 273 times expected earnings for the year to June. That makes it bigger than Ford or Disney. Both companies would be in the Japanese top 10, and AOL would in Europe's top 10, ahead of Nestle, Shell or UBS. In case you were in any doubt that these valuations are abnormal, a string of very, very important people - Alan Greenspan, the chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, Rupert Murdoch, chairman of News Corporation, and most recently Bill Gates of Microsoft - have all said that, in their opinions, internet stocks are over-priced. Yet despite this, a great many people continue to buy and enthuse about internet investments - from private retail investors to some of the leading analysts on Wall Street. The debate about internet stock valuations has so far focused on the companies: are their products and expected earnings really worth these high stock prices? Which companies will survive? And, more generally, how can you assess the potential of an invention as pervasive and revolutionary as the internet? For all these questions, we will no doubt have to wait and see. But meanwhile, there is a second set of questions which has attracted less attention. Who buys these assets? Are they different from other investors? What do they expect of their investments? These questions are just as important because the internet phenomenon reflects a revolution in the behaviour of US private investors, as well as in technology. US private retail investors have been the most important participants in the market for internet stocks. The astonishing price rises of many internet stocks testify to the strength they wield. Appropriately, the internet itself has made this possible. With the services of online stockbrokers they can actively manage their investments from day to day, hour to hour, or even minute to minute. The Securities and Exchange Commission estimates that one in four of all retail stock trades happen through online brokerages and the number of online trading accounts is expected to exceed 10m before the end of the year. The most extreme manifestation of this new form of investing is the day trader - someone who rapidly buys and sells stocks through an internet broker holding investment for hours or minutes. Day traders take little or no interest in what they are buying and are driven purely by momentum. If a share is going up, they buy and hold on to it while it rises and then sell the moment it appears to be slowing. Debbie McClure is typical. She has been day trading for about a year. She runs the Abilene Book Store in Abilene, West Texas but every morning between 8.30 and 10.30, before she opens the shop, she plays the market. She cheerfully admits she often has no idea what she is investing in. "Most of the time I do not know what I am buying. To me it is just a string of letters," she says, referring to the ticker symbols of the stocks. But her ignorance seems no hindrance to money making, at least at the moment. She says she started with about $15,000 and almost lost it all in the first two months. Since then, she has managed to make $70,000 - more than she has made from the book shop. Day trading is not new. It became common in the mid-1980s in Japan, when the largest Japanese companies traded huge blocks of shares very rapidly and made more money by financial engineering than by the more traditional kind. Given what happened to the Japanese bubble economy, this is not a comforting parallel. In the US, day trading is a retail activity, not a corporate one. Guides to electronic day trading have topped the lists of bestselling business books. Internet chat rooms devoted to the trading abound. iVillage.com, a popular internet site for women, suggests day trading alongside childcare as a way to make money working from home. Most of the large online brokers, such as E*Trade and Charles Schwab, say that day traders make up only a tiny fraction of their business. That is no doubt true, but such traders still represent a trend towards greater activism on the part of all US shareholders. Not since the 1920s has the average US investor been so obsessed with playing the market. Retail investors are becoming increasingly active.
[CTRL] Re-post Bill and Hill=Marxists
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-10-06 12:09:51 EDT, you write: Source. www.devvy.com/death_list.html#SOFC Millions of words have been written about these two people. Bill Clinton didn't acquire the nickname "Slick" from all his years in politics down in Arkansas without good reason. Bill and Hill's political regime has always been referred to as the "Dixie Mafia" for the incredibly bold fashion in which these two routinely break the law. No? Oh, please, open your eyes and look at the facts. Below in the reference section are materials that you can acquire which document their crimes from day one. Not gossip, not spin, not conspiracy, but facts. Doesn't it bother the American people when they hear this "the White House is putting the best spin on it" stuff? Doesn't the American public see what "spin" translates into? It means taking lies, massaging them into something resembling a smidgen of truth and then force feeding it down people's throats. How insulting. When I say that Bill and Hill are Marxists, that's exactly what I mean. Bill Clinton is the President of the United States of America. He is privy to the highest and most classified secrets of our nation dealing with national security. Do you know he cannot and does not have any kind of security clearance? That's right. Why? Because of his past dealings with the Ruskies, the KGB and his cocaine use. Heavens! This should bother the heck out of every thinking American out there. Apparently it doesn't because we continue to hear the chant of the brain-dead: "I don't care who he has sex with in his private life," "It's not our business who he sleeps with, if it doesn't bother Hillary, it doesn't bother me." What sniveling bubble heads these sheep are in their myopic world of blind loyalty to any politician who will grease their palms with the most government perks from my checkbook. Let's look at Mr. Clinton's own words to judge what his political ideology really is: The following is an excerpt from Des Griffin, a gifted writer and prolific researcher of facts [March, 1998]: "In the final analysis, the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal is a sideshow - a relatively minor distraction. Its salacious nature serves to draw away from more important issues, namely those that effect the future of the U.S. For well over three decades, the life of William Jefferson (Blythe) Clinton has followed an unrelenting pattern of personal deception, immorality, political corruption and national betrayalLeaving the U.S. to avoid serving his country in Vietnam, went to England on a Rhodes Scholarship. As a student at Oxford, Clinton organized and led anti-American demonstrations and engaged in other leftist activities. In 1970, Bill Clinton was rewarded for his anti-American activities: he was the guest of the KGB on an all-expenses paid trip from Paris to Moscow. The October 25, 1992 issue of Rudge Pravda, the official paper of the Czechoslovakian Communist Party, carried an article titled, "Mr. Clinton Stayed with Agent of STB, Select Company." It revealed that on his return journey from Moscow, Clinton stopped off for ten days in Prague. There he stayed in the home of Marie Svermore and her husband Bedrich Kubold." For the sake of brevity, this family is well plugged into the Communist Party and their son, Jan, attended Oxford with Clinton. "Another interesting trip made by Bill Clinton was exposed by the Italian paper, Il Sabato, August 1992 in an article titled 'Comrade Bill,' where reporter Antonio Socci told of an interview he had with Clinton at the Democratic convention in NY a few weeks earlier. Clinton revealed that he had gone to Italy five years earlier to study how to solve economic problems. "I came five years ago to find out how the cooperatives, the artisan cooperatives, and the micro enterprises function. Then I went back to Arkansas and helped to put together 70 youth cooperatives." Socci was fascinated. "Don't tell me this communist cooperative is your economic prescription for America?" "Absolutely," Clinton replied. Upon his return to Italy, Socci interviewed members of the Italian Communist Party and they confirmed that Clinton had in fact visited their cooperatives in 1987. One remembered the visit well, saying that he told Clinton the cooperatives were run by communists and socialists. Clinton's response was, "No problem." No? This can't be real? This must be more anti-Clinton, vast right-wing conspiracy smear material! Wake Up. There is a book you must read, it's short but to the point and one of the most documented and factual presentations I have ever seen. In this work titled SECRET, you will see the FBI documents that link Bill and Hillary Clinton to a Marxist Terrorist network [the FBI's description, not mine]. They gave money to the IPS [Institute for Policy Studies] and have been very active in promoting their agenda: Marxism. No? Do your
[CTRL] [3] STAR FIRE - The Gold of the Gods
-Caveat Lector- from http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/starfire3.html - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/starfire3.html"Star Fire Part 3/A - - STAR FIRE - The Gold of the Gods Once the Anunnaki departed Sumeria, Master Craftsmen developed a substitute for Star Fire in the form of a mystical bread made from the alchemical white powder of gold. Part 3 of 3 Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 6, Number 2 (February-March 1999). PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telephone: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 From our web page at: http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/ From a lecture presented by Sir Laurence Gardner, Kt St Gm., KCD, KT St A. at the 1998 NEXUS Conference held in Sydney, 25endash26 July Transcript © Sir Laurence Gardner 1998 (to Part 1) (to Part 2) By the 1880s, the governing establishments of Christendom were dreading the very word 'archaeologist'. And so, archaeological digs were brought under strict control, and their funding and undertakings had to be approved by newly designated authorities. One of these, the Egypt Exploration Fund, was established in Britain in 1891, and on the very first page of its Memorandum and Articles of Association it is stated that the Fund's objective is to promote excavation work "for the purpose of elucidating or illustrating the Old Testament narrative". In short, this meant that if something was found which could be used to support the scriptural teaching, then we (the public) would be informed. Anything which did not support the Church interpretation of the Bible was not destined to see the light in the public domain. Now we are going to take a look at one of the monumental finds from that era - a discovery about which very little is known to people at large. In fact, it is probably the most important biblical discovery ever made and it has stunning implications far beyond the discovery itself, for this is the ultimate story of the Phoenix and the Fire-stone. Within the Book of Exodus, a significant biblical mountain is named. It sits in the extensive range of the Sinai Peninsula - the upturned triangular land-mass which lies above the Red Sea between the Gulf of Suez and the Gulf of Aqabah. In the Old Testament, the mountain is firstly called 'Mount Horeb', then it is called 'Mount Sinai', and is subsequently called 'Horeb' again as the story progresses. The story, of course, is that of Moses and the Israelite exodus from Egypt. This was the mountain upon which, according to Exodus, Moses saw the burning bush; the mountain where he talked with Jehovah; and the place where he received the Ten Commandments and the Tables of Testimony. Something that we should recognise at this stage is that at the time of Moses (roughly 1350 BC) there was no mountain called 'Mount Sinai'. There was no mountain by that name even in the days of Jesus, nor even for another 300 years. It should also be said that the Old Testament which is familiar to us today is a translation from a Hebrew text compiled only 1,000 years ago, and it is therefore a few centuries younger even than the canonical New Testament. The mountain now generally known as Mount Sinai sits in the south of the peninsula, quite near to the bottom point of the upturned triangle. It was given its name in the 4th century AD by a mission of Greek Christian monks, 1,700 years after the time of Moses. It is now sometimes called 'Gebel Musa' (or 'Mount of Moses'), and a small Christian retreat, St Catherine's Monastery, still exists there. But, was this the Sinai mountain which the Bible calls 'Mount Horeb'? Well, it transpires that it was not. The Book of Exodus goes into some detail to explain the route taken by Moses and the Israelites from the Nile Delta land of Goshen, down across Sinai, across the wilderness regions of Shur and Paran, to the land of Midian (which is to the north of present-day Jordan). From this route it becomes very easy to identify the location of Mount Horeb. It sits a good deal north of Gebel Musa. The word horeb simply means 'desert', and the great desert mountain which soars to over 2,600 feet within a high stone plateau above the Plain of Paran is today called 'Serâbît' - or, to be more precise, Serâbît el-Khâdim (the Prominence of the Khâdim). In the late 1890s, the British Egyptologist Sir William Flinders Petrie, a Professor at the University College, London, applied to the Egypt Exploration Fund to take an expedition into Sinai. By January l904, he and his team were in Sinai, and in March of that year they took their expedition to the heights of Mount Serâbît. In the following year, Petrie published the detailed results of his findings, but added to his report the fact that this information would not be made available officially to the
Re: [CTRL] Re-post Bill and Hill=Marxists - HA!
-Caveat Lector- The Clintons' Marxists? Now that's a laugh. Clinton's policies of a classic right-wing strong man, straight out of South America. If you liked Evita and weep for Pinochet, you'll love the Clintons' version of America. Of course, if by Marxists you mean Chinese or Soviet-style totalitarians, then I might agree with you. But honestly, would a truly progressive left-winger: slash welfare and curtail social spending? demonize the poor? drastically increase defense spending to bring it nearly on par with Reagan's monstrous defense budgets? kiss Wall Street butt with the same delicacy that Monica sucked his own schlong? perpetuate racist jail sentencing? remove barriers that delay state executions? silently acquiesce to the roll back of affirmative action? continue to pony up to Israel even as they trump up various means of quashing the peace process? perpetuate genocide on the children of Iraq with illegal trade sanctions and politically opportunistic bombings? "de-link" human rights concerns from all trade negotiations? continue to persecute the Castro regime? fail to come to Spain's aid in bringing American ally Pinochet to justice? introduce and implement police-state measures that are rapidly eroding our civil rights? screw the working class in this country and around the world with NAFTA, the WTO, and the more reactionary MAI treaty? bend over and accept the paranoid ravings of National Security Statists in the FBI, NSA, CIA, FISA, other organs of civil surveillance? burn alive the members of a relatively unknown and harmless religious group? Really, the only reason most of the Republican right is so hateful towards Clinton is that he has been so successful at stealing and implementing their agenda. When you declare the Clintons to be Marxists or leftists or socialists just damn liberals, you are really falling into their well oiled propaganda trap. They want you to believe that they are put upon humanitarians, when in fact they take their marching orders from the multinationals of global capitalism. Clinton likes to say he "feels your pain" but then enacts legislation that is basically pouring salt on your wounds. Where did protege Gore go first to get endorsements and ideas for his upcoming run for President? Farmers thrown off their land? Workers unemployed because of NAFTA and the multinational run for the border? No, he went to Wall Street. Get a clue, folks. Who's been writing some of the strongest and most informed criticism of the Clinton regime? The Left, actually. Writers like Alexander Cockburn, Christopher Hitchens, Noam Chomsky, Edward Said, Roger Morris, Sam Smith, and Norman Solomon, among others, have been vociferous in their attacks on Clinton's New Reactionaryism. The fact is, Clinton is allied with powers beyond left and right, characters like turn-of-the-century millionaire industrialist Jay Gould, who liked to brag that he could "pay half the working class to kill the other half." And that is exactly the strategy of the Clintons and their Wall Street ilk. They want to reduce us to battling each other while they continue to usurp and consolidate their financial power. And if Clinton was hanging with radicals during the sixties, I would bet it was as an informer for the CIA (rumors of which are discussed in Roger Morris' (another lefty) fine excoriation of Clinton, Partners in Power. He certainly seemed to have some good Agency connections when he became Governor of Arkansas. He'd probably already proved himself useful to the Big Boys, so off they went to Mena to do business with their good old boy. Lucio Benedetto Why Clinton? http://www.netcom.com/~lucio/why_clinton -Original Message- From: Gavin Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 9:54 AM Subject: [CTRL] Re-post Bill and Hill=Marxists -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-10-06 12:09:51 EDT, you write: Source. www.devvy.com/death_list.html#SOFC Millions of words have been written about these two people. Bill Clinton didn't acquire the nickname "Slick" from all his years in politics down in Arkansas without good reason. Bill and Hill's political regime has always been referred to as the "Dixie Mafia" for the incredibly bold fashion in which these two routinely break the law. No? Oh, please, open your eyes and look at the facts. Below in the reference section are materials that you can acquire which document their crimes from day one. Not gossip, not spin, not conspiracy, but facts. Doesn't it bother the American people when they hear this "the White House is putting the best spin on it" stuff? Doesn't the American public see what "spin" translates into? It means taking lies, massaging them into something resembling a smidgen of truth and then force feeding it down people's throats. How insulting. When I say that Bill and Hill are Marxists, that's exactly what I mean. Bill Clinton is
Re: [CTRL] FW: A Man and His Frog
-Caveat Lector- Brown, Jeremy wrote: Oh my GOD! Tell me you aren't really this dense! How many times do I have to explain this? OK, let's do this piece by piece. First up, I assume you are asking a question with that first sentence. However, since you don't seem to know how to use a question mark, it must remain an assumption. I will respond in kind, nonetheless. The above statement was meant to address the fact that our president engaged in various and sundry sexual acts with someone who is NOT HIS WIFE!!! Again, I'll say it...WHAT HE DID IS IRRELEVANT! I don't think anything that he did is abnormal! Just the fact that the other participant wasn't his wife. For you to turn it around into some sort of pre-pubescent gigglefest about my sex life just shows me how truly boneheaded you really are. JB P.S. Before you try and shoot me down by calling me naiveLEARN HOW TO SPELL N-A-I-V-E-T-E Look, I think you had better splash some cold water on your face, re-examine your original sentence and then admit that perhaps you worded it slightly wrong. Its no good trying to convince people what you meant when your original text indicated otherwise. You listed the various sexual acts then followed it by mentioning he slept with someone other than his wife I UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT MORALLY CORRECT, but you STILL said these things are NOT normal. That is where my original comment came in. It may be better for you (and your blood pressure) if you admitted that the original message was worded incorrectly, then rewrite it stating what you actually meant. Maybe if you spent more time trying to explain what you meant instead of running punctuation checks on everyones messages, you wouldnt have created this self-imposed confusion. P.S. Collins English dictionary states: 'naivety (nye-eev-tee) or naivete: the state or quality of being naive. It's worth researching your argument before embarrassing yourself in front of all the list members. Consider yourself 'shot-down' DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] It's Been Great
-Caveat Lector- Regretfully, I am forced to sign off of this list and, believe me, it has been a difficult decision. I need to streamline and handle less information as I already moderate three lists. So if any of you would like to receive invites to any of them, contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep troopin. A vast majority of you do very fine work. "It only takes a liberal twenty years to become a conservative without changing a single idea." - Robert Anton Wilson __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News Monday #1]
-Caveat Lector- Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/8/99 11:19:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip : Does your religion encourage pillaging, rape, mayhem, murder? Is it fun? It seems they all do at one time or another, but aren't Hindus the ones who vow not to harm any living thing? How do they explain their current behavior? Prudy Prudy, you're thinking of the Jains, who wear gauze masks so they won't accidentally swallow a gnat. Some schools of yoga and other ascetic groups uphold the sanctity of all life, but it's not universal in Hinduism. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Is this why OBE misses out the facts?
-Caveat Lector- In a large society with writing and institutionalized science, the cost of an exponential number of' tests is repaid by the benefit of the resulting laws to a large number of people. That is why taxpayers are willing to fund scientific research. But for the provincial interests of a single individual or even a small band, good science isn't worth the trouble. A third reason we are so-so scientists is that our brains were shaped for fitness, not for truth. Sometimes the truth is adaptive, but sometimes it is not. Conflicts of interest are inherent to the human, and we are apt to want our version of the truth, rather than the truth itself, to prevail. For example, in all societies. expertise is distributed unevenly. Our mental apparatus, is designed to work in a society in which we can consult an expert when we have to. The philosopher Hilary Putnam con-fesses that, like most people, he has no idea how an elm differs from a beech. But the words aren't synonyms for him or for us; we all know that they refer to different kinds of trees, and that there are experts out there who could tell us which is which if we ever had to know. Experts are invaluable and are usually rewarded in esteem and wealth. But our reliance on experts puts temptation in their path. The experts can allude to a world of wonders-occult forces, angry gods, magical potions-that is inscrutable to mere mortals but reachable through their services. Tribal shamans are flim-flam artists who supplement their considerable practical knowledge with stage magic, drug-induced trances, and other cheap tricks. Like the wizard of Oz, they have to keep their beseechers from looking at the man behind the curtain, and that conflicts with the disinterested search for the truth. In a complex society, a dependence on experts leaves us even more vulnerable to quacks, from carnival snake-oil salesman to the mandarins who advise governments to adopt programs implemented by mandarins. Modern scientific practices like peer review, competitive funding, and open mutual criticism are meant to minimize scientists' conflicts of interest in principle, and sometimes do so in practice. The stultification of good science by nervous authorities in closed societies is a familiar theme in history, from Catholic southern Europe after Galileo to the Soviet Union in the twentieth century. (that is why Mr C Brand was sacked for being politically incorrect) It is not only science that can suffer under the thumb of those in power. The anthropologist, Donald Brown, was puzzled to learn that over the millennia the Hindus of India produced virtually no histories, Whilst the neighboring Chinese had produced libraries full. He suspected that the potentates of a heredity caste society realized that no good could come from a scholar nosing around in records of the past where he might stumble upon evidence undermining their claims to have descended from heroes and gods. Brown looked at twenty-five civilizations and compared the ones organized by hereditary castes with the others. None of the caste societies had developed a tradition of writing accurate depictions of the past; instead of history they had myth and legend. The caste societies were also distinguished by an absence of political science, social science, natural science, biography, realistic portraiture, and uniform education. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Is this why OBE misses out the facts?
-Caveat Lector- From; How the mind works - S Pinker? In a large society with writing and institutionalized science, the cost of an exponential number of' tests is repaid by the benefit of the resulting laws to a large number of people. That is why taxpayers are willing to fund scientific research. But for the provincial interests of a single individual or even a small band, good science isn't worth the trouble. A third reason we are so-so scientists is that our brains were shaped for fitness, not for truth. Sometimes the truth is adaptive, but sometimes it is not. Conflicts of interest are inherent to the human, and we are apt to want our version of the truth, rather than the truth itself, to prevail. For example, in all societies. expertise is distributed unevenly. Our mental apparatus, is designed to work in a society in which we can consult an expert when we have to. The philosopher Hilary Putnam con-fesses that, like most people, he has no idea how an elm differs from a beech. But the words aren't synonyms for him or for us; we all know that they refer to different kinds of trees, and that there are experts out there who could tell us which is which if we ever had to know. Experts are invaluable and are usually rewarded in esteem and wealth. But our reliance on experts puts temptation in their path. The experts can allude to a world of wonders-occult forces, angry gods, magical potions-that is inscrutable to mere mortals but reachable through their services. Tribal shamans are flim-flam artists who supplement their considerable practical knowledge with stage magic, drug-induced trances, and other cheap tricks. Like the wizard of Oz, they have to keep their beseechers from looking at the man behind the curtain, and that conflicts with the disinterested search for the truth. In a complex society, a dependence on experts leaves us even more vulnerable to quacks, from carnival snake-oil salesman to the mandarins who advise governments to adopt programs implemented by mandarins. Modern scientific practices like peer review, competitive funding, and open mutual criticism are meant to minimize scientists' conflicts of interest in principle, and sometimes do so in practice. The stultification of good science by nervous authorities in closed societies is a familiar theme in history, from Catholic southern Europe after Galileo to the Soviet Union in the twentieth century. (that is why Mr C Brand was sacked for being politically incorrect) It is not only science that can suffer under the thumb of those in power. The anthropologist, Donald Brown, was puzzled to learn that over the millennia the Hindus of India produced virtually no histories, Whilst the neighboring Chinese had produced libraries full. He suspected that the potentates of a heredity caste society realized that no good could come from a scholar nosing around in records of the past where he might stumble upon evidence undermining their claims to have descended from heroes and gods. Brown looked at twenty-five civilizations and compared the ones organized by hereditary castes with the others. None of the caste societies had developed a tradition of writing accurate depictions of the past; instead of history they had myth and legend. The caste societies were also distinguished by an absence of political science, social science, natural science, biography, realistic portraiture, and uniform education. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] test
-Caveat Lector- test DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!!
-Caveat Lector- True enough! However, if some sicko didn't think ofthis before, the idea is now out there for some sick bastard to go ahead and try it out. People should really think before they dream-up crap like this and then put it on the net. JOHN DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!!
-Caveat Lector- John Szocik wrote: -Caveat Lector- True enough! However, if some sicko didn't think ofthis before, the idea is now out there for some sick bastard to go ahead and try it out. People should really think before they dream-up crap like this and then put it on the net. JOHN So, if this comes to pass, then the responsibility lies w/ the person who started this?? Most (sick bastards, serial killers) have an I.Q. of above average, if not genius level and reallywouldn't need help in this matter...my humble opinion...barley DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Germanic 'barbarians' likely pleasant,archeologists]
-Caveat Lector- wrote: snip It may also be that the "Barbarians" were treated fairly well by the Romans (probably because they were not that strong in the area). So they traded and got along as best as could be. Probably enjoyed the benefits of association with people with a higher technology and culture. They probably were also smart enough to know that it might be safer to get along then to fight. Howard Davis Remember, too, that the Romans were superior propagandists, who never hesitated to slander their opponents when politics required it. The Germanic tribes became a kind of mirror for them, reflecting either the values they claimed to be upholding, or the values they believed Rome had lost. (See Tacitus, *Germania* for an example--the book is in the first analysis a thoroughgoing criticism of the state of Roman society.) But the Romans themselves were not far removed from barbarism; their own primitive origins haunted them, and much of the history of the Caesars is an effort to recover the youthful vigor and health of the Republic. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!!
-Caveat Lector- I think that if someone goes out and puts a needle on a seat or anything similar, they already had the inclination to do so. Movies, e-mails, TV, what have you are not responsible for the actions of crazy people. Perhaps they sometimes play a role in their behavior, like John Hinckley and his "Taxi Driver" thing, but I think that the idea that a normally sane person could be driven to insanity by entertainment a pretty far stretch. -Original Message- From: kimberly smith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 3:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!! -Caveat Lector- John Szocik wrote: -Caveat Lector- True enough! However, if some sicko didn't think ofthis before, the idea is now out there for some sick bastard to go ahead and try it out. People should really think before they dream-up crap like this and then put it on the net. JOHN So, if this comes to pass, then the responsibility lies w/ the person who started this?? Most (sick bastards, serial killers) have an I.Q. of above average, if not genius level and reallywouldn't need help in this matter...my humble opinion...barley DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Flirting with Death -- the Latest Turn-On
-Caveat Lector- On 7 Feb 99, , nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan wrote: -- Subject: Flirting with Death -- the Latest Turn-On Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 02:10:46 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... a subculture of gay men who eroticize risky sexual practices and embrace the prospect of becoming infected. "Across a network of Web sites, gay men from Wichita to Rotterdam advertise group sex parties for men who actively seek to become infected with HIV (a practice called "bug chasing") or seek to infect others with the virus (called "giving The Gift") ..." (And who, no doubt, are big Anne Rice fans.) "Russian Roulette" Sex Parties Gay fringe group's unsafe practices alarms AIDS experts by Sabin Russell, Chronicle Staff Writer San Francisco Chronicle, January 29, 1999 In a Castro district apartment house, an $8 admission fee promises a night of communal gay sex. The only rules: no clothes, no condoms, no discussion of HIV. Two decades into an epidemic that has taken the lives of nearly 18,000 San Franciscans, a new homosexual subculture is emerging: Healthy men are seeking unprotected sex with HIV-infected men, for the erotic thrill of communion with the deadly AIDS virus. This is living proof that Darwin was right. This insane behavior will not likely get passed on to their offspring proving that survival of the fittest includes mental as well as physical traits, while condom using safe sex practitioners will more likely reproduce condom using offspring. Isn't nature great? In one sense, of course, you're right. On the other hand, it sounds like these guys are feeling just like Brian Redmansick of it all and tired of caringsick of living with constant fear that strips life of joy and spontaneity. (And no, I don't mean Brian when I speak of constant fear.) I grew up in an era when sex was tied to unwanted pregnancy--not death. It really wasn't THAT long ago, but the world will never know such innocence again. Now everything --sex, food, water, air--is tainted with death. I am so grateful not to be a young person or to have young children in such times. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AOL Conspiracy?
-Caveat Lector- On 8 Feb 99, , Source wrote: Yes but dear SnoOwl, Christianity (and all religions for that matter) have to be the biggest conspiracy ever. That IS relevent to this list. Yes, but dear Richard, we've already been there, done thatand it was a total waste of time for all concerned. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You're NOT going to believe this!!!
-Caveat Lector- Source - Richard wrote: -Caveat Lector- revcoal wrote: Basically, how far can one push paranoia? Interestingly, the only list where the post even got a response was this one Perhaps because generally this list contains members who are more astute than on other lists, and recognize obvious hoaxes when they see one, and not only do NOT feel the need to spam such things under the auspices of 'truth', but endeavor to point out that it's an obvious scam spam... June No, perhaps it's because this list contains members who love to argue and get bitchy over the smallest, useless points, then continue to drag out the argument for at least 3 days until someone posts something worth talking about (which of course then escalates into arguing about why someone spelt conspiracy wrong, or why a certain joke was not funny etc.)!! I know what you are thinking - 'but you are continuing it with this message' - no i'm not. Snip!! The replies were not over useless point, etc. Making sure that people realize that these were all hoaxes was an important thing to do. And, it was a good practice in spotting disinformation. Sort of Disinformation 101. The original poster's reply was somewhat cryptic on this. He claims to have posted it as some sort of exercise, but his response seemed to me to indicate that he is either knowingly putting out disinformation or he did not realize that it was a hoax. I really could not tell. It would be a great help if he were clearer on this point. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
