Re: [CTRL] Scientists I.D. Christ's fingerprint - Nonsense of Achyara S and W Shannon

2000-09-22 Thread NSA

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 For those of you who wish to actually study the subject, rather than
 listening to the deranged ranting of an obviously disturbed person,
 check out Acharya's "Christ Conspiracy" links

 Bill.


For those of you that are of sane, sober and balanced of mind, rather than
gobble up every piece of spurious conspiratorial drivel that the uncritical
paranoid likes of pseudo-liberal Shannon prattle, and bombard us with here
when he cannot of himself substantiate any of his baloney by what we would
normally consider as evidence, facts and truth.

Thus, you may wish to obtain a second opinion about historic Christianity
and the genuine records of the personage of Christ available. Even
secularist orientated Time Magazine, ran an article on Jesus and the New
Testament not too many years ago. Originally, Time approached the topic with
a sceptics gaze to debunk the NT, but were in the end stunned and amazed
with the irrefutable abundance of evidence available, ". existing copies of
the New Testament are far older and more numerous than those of any other
ancient body of literature ." (Richard Ostling, "Who Was Jesus?" TIME,
August 15, 1988, p. 37.)

Shannon's guru, Achyara S of course, is beyond the capacity for rational
presentation of pure facts, as she relishes hallucinations whilst she
communes with weird "entities" for her style of "truth". Such vixens vexed
with her inherent Gnostic obsessive conspiratorial "Grand Delusion"
religion, a superstition and extremism which blends its voice with the
so-called "spiritual" Aryans and their politico pretexts which essentially
undergird their political agenda for the neo-Gnostic Reich. To this, myopic
Shannon appears completely blind and oblivious to the inherint political
nuances of this style of author, and their actual wannabe-Nazi agenda,
hidden behind the facade of "Researcher."

Typical of the site Shannon listed, is the customary ancient religious and
modern New Age, neo-Gnostic hatred of the Jews.  In a section from Achyara S
titled "Emails I Have Loved," we have the enlightened Achyara S devotees
express both theirs and Achyara's disgust of  ". the foaming-at-the-mouth
Jews ." and  ". the Jewish crap." In her hatred of things Jewish she further
believes ". murder is against murdering "your neighbor," i.e., another Jew
...," in other words, the implication is that Achyara S believes that Jews
imagine it is quite acceptable to murder, so long as the victims are
non-Jews. These are the type of kooks Shannon peddles as his authorities
alongside on what he myopically imagines to be "Christianity."

The lunatic and self-attested "son of god," David Icke is another Shannon
incessantly bends the knee to, and invokes with superstitious awe. It's
clear that Shannon has little ability for critical thought or discernment,
much like these foolish authors he repetitiously espouses with tedium.

In addition, the site Shannon recommends as espousing some form of "truth,"
is riddled with the usual antiquated bunkum of a worldwide Jewish
Conspiracy, the customary guise for anti-Semitism. Achyara's  hatred of, and
inane frothing at Christianity is no less than that of her hatred of Jews,
as she resorts to regurgitation of outdated jibes of long dead sceptics and
bigots, many of whose names when mentioned, even well-informed modern
sceptics themselves grow red-faced over!

That aside and said, below are a few sites and books which answer the many
lies of liars like Achyara S, and her mindless mouth-pieces like dear old
Achyara S besotted William Shannon, who only ever entertains an original
thought when it is someone else's.

Bookmark the following, and have a casual peruse as you find time, they are
very informative, and give a balanced appraisal without the extreme bias and
oft outlandish lies promulgated by arch mythmakers like Shannon and et al.

http://www.cet.com/~dlavoie/solo.christo/theology/Bible.html

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/hway.html

http://www.carm.org/objections.htm

http://www.watchman.org/slipslop.htm

http://www.tektonics.org/

http://www.christiananswers.net/

http://probe.org/index.html


Suggested reading written by serious scholars and researchers:

The Historical Reliability of the Gospels
by Craig L. Blomberg

The Historical Jesus : Ancient Evidence for the Life of Christ
by Gary R. Habermas

Jesus Under Fire
by Michael J. Wilkins (Editor), James Porter Moreland

Reasonable Faith : Christian Truth and Apologetics
by William Lane Craig

Christian Apologetics
by Norman L. Geisler

The Gospel and the Greeks : Did the New Testament Borrow from Pagan Thought?
by Ronald H. Nash

Archaeology and the New Testament
by John McRay



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[CTRL] Future Chips!!!!

2000-09-22 Thread NSA



Thursday, 21 September 2000Future chips"I'm nobody! Who are 
you?" asked the poet Emily Dickinson.Emily died in 1886 but only 
recently has the technology developed that couldadequately address her 
concerns. Better late than never, we say.For the last few years, 
computer scientists have been experimenting withchip implants that would 
render it impossible for you to be a nobody.Researchers now say it is 
possible to implant a dime-sized computer chipunder your collarbone, which 
would abort any possibility of an identitycrisis.The chip could 
record volumes of information - your name and address, yournearest relatives 
and their telephone numbers, your bank and credit cardnumbers, your blood 
pressure, heart rate, temperature and any medicationsyou may be 
taking.There even are rumors that chips can be used to control the 
behavior ofviolent inmates in the prison system. Forget about Valium. Forget 
Ritalin.Forget Thorazine. Instead, sedate an inmate long enough to implant a 
chipsomewhere on his body, then send signals to the chip to control 
differentparts of the brain. A particularly dangerous inmate could be kept 
drowsy all day long.Some of this, we grant you, remains pure 
speculation, but much of it is already here. In England, an adventurous 
cybernetics professor - yes, we know the word is strange to a poet born in 
1830 - had a silicon chip implanted above his left elbow. Using radio waves, 
the chip communicated with computers. The computers, in turn, sent messages 
to other machines that turned on lights, opened doors and even hailed him 
with a sprightly "Hello!" as he moved from room to room at the University of 
Reading. Kevin Warwick, the professor, said he felt "bereaved" 
when the chip wasremoved after nine days. He also said his experiment was 
just the beginning.Next he will get a new chip implant "and this one will 
send signals back andforth between my nervous system and a 
computer."These experiments seem whimsical on one level, and yet they 
carry profoundimplications, especially for individuals suffering from severe 
spinalinjuries. Is it possible that a computer chip can be implanted in 
aquardraplegic and that communication between the chip and the brain 
canreverse a crippling injury? There is a temptation to think of 
suchpossibilities as farfetched, and yet 25 years ago - when the advanced 
chiptechnology we know today was not available - scientists at the 
University ofUtah had already shown that similar brain and nerve stimulation 
could allowblind individuals to see tiny specks of light.Next month, 
one company plans to unveil a new product called a "DigitalAngel," which 
will enable parents to keep track of their toddlers and allowadults to keep 
track of elderly parents who may be suffering from 
AlzheimersDisease.The new chips function a little like a Global 
Positioning System butcommunicate with computers rather than an orbiting 
satellite. Some of thesechips reportedly are already being used in Italy by 
wealthy families who areworried about being kidnapped.Clearly, the 
chip implants offer extraordinary possiblities in the world ofbiomedical 
engineering, but there are other implications -privacy issues,behavior 
control questions, and others - that will have to be addressedeventually. 
One of those questions may go well beyond Emily's, "Who are 
you?"Warwick, thinking about the astonishing possibilities of chip 
implants, sums it up this way: "I was born human. But this was an accident 
of fate - a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we 
have the power to change." Think about that one. Someday you 
could be an eggplant.http://www.azstarnet.com/public/dnews/000921editimplant.html


[CTRL] NYT: STEWART: No One Won the Whitewater Case

2000-09-22 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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From:

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/22/opinion/22STEW.html

September 22, 2000

No One Won the Whitewater Case

By JAMES B. STEWART


After six years and nearly $60 million of taxpayer money, the
Whitewater investigation, for all practical purposes, is over. To
the extent that they will face no criminal charges, Bill and
Hillary Clinton have been exonerated. But what, for all the
anguish, time and money, have we learned?

The Whitewater investigation germinated in 1992, in a culture of
mutual political destruction. During a heated campaign for the
Democratic nomination, Bill Clinton had already suffered what his
closest aides openly referred to as "two strikes": the draft and
Gennifer Flowers controversies.

When Whitewater burst into public view ó in a March 8, 1992, New
York Times article by Jeff Gerth that remains a model of
investigative reporting ó it was seen by the Clintons and their
allies as the dreaded "third strike" from which there might be no
recovery.

The potential scandal had to be blunted at all costs, not because
the Whitewater acts were crimes, but because they were
embarrassing. The Clintons made a series of public statements
that can most charitably be deemed "misleading."

Mr. Clinton, of course, was elected, but the Whitewater record,
replete with evasions and misstatements, provided ample fodder
for those opposed to the president. After Vincent Foster, the
White House counsel, committed suicide, and after Whitewater
records were clumsily and suspiciously removed from his office,
the rabid Clinton haters went into high gear. They piled their
own falsehoods on top of the Clintons' evasions, none more
preposterous than the notion that Mr. Foster was murdered,
preferably by Hillary Clinton herself.

By 1994, everyone was calling for the appointment of an
independent counsel ó the Clintons in order to lay the Whitewater
affair to rest and their opponents in order to destroy them. The
truth was unlikely to emerge however. The Clintons, fearing
embarrassment, continued to stonewall, while their opponents
pounced on their recalcitrance as evidence of guilt.

The independent counsel's mission was to get to the bottom of the
morass. Kenneth Starr and his top deputies were not instinctive
politicians, and they became caught up in a political war for
which they were woefully unprepared and ill- suited. The White
House and its allies relentlessly attacked the independent
counsel for what they thought were both illegal and unprincipled
tactics, like intimidating witnesses and leaking to the press.
Mr. Starr has been vindicated in the courts in nearly every
instance, and he and his allies were maligned to a degree that
will someday be seen as grossly unfair.

Nonetheless, that the Whitewater investigation cost what it did,
took as long as it did and meandered so far afield from its
original mission is preposterous. The investigation unfolded with
an inexorable logic that made sense at every turn, yet lost all
sight of the public purpose it was meant to serve. Mr. Starr's
failure was not one of logic or law, but of simple common sense.

From very early on, it should have been apparent that a criminal
case could never be made against the Clintons. Who would testify
against them?

The critical witnesses in the case were Mr. Clinton himself, his
Whitewater partners, James and Susan McDougal, and David Hale, an
Arkansas businessman.

In 1994, early in the Whitewater investigation, Mr. Hale pleaded
guilty to bank and mail fraud. Mr. McDougal, too, was convicted
on 18 felony counts stemming from his operation of a corrupt
Arkansas savings and loan. He died in prison while serving his
Whitewater sentence. Mr. Clinton, we now know, cannot be relied
on to tell the truth when his self-interest is at stake. Susan
McDougal refused to answer prosecutors' questions, even in the
face of imprisonment. Whatever the suspicions about the Clintons'
actions, no prosecutor would take such witnesses before a jury.

The investigation does not clear the Clintons in all respects. As
far as the Whitewater matters themselves, the evidence goes a
long way toward exonerating them. On the obstruction of justice
issues ó lying under oath, concealing evidence, pressuring
witnesses ó the evidence is stronger, but still far short of
proof beyond a reasonable doubt, as Robert Ray, the latest
independent counsel, concluded. We will probably never know the
whole truth about these matters. That is a fact of life in many
criminal investigations.

The independent counsel law is already a casualty of Whitewater
and its excesses. But as long as a culture of mutual political
destruction reigns in Washington, the need for some independent
resolution of charges against top officials, especially the
president, will not go away. After all, we did get something for
our nearly $60 million. The charges against the Clintons were
credibly resolved.

To me, the leitmotif of Whitewater is lies. Lies, large and
small, begot more 

[CTRL] OS: Formula for news slanting

2000-09-22 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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Formula for news slanting
BBy Charley Rees
The Orlando Sentinel
September 10, 2000

http://orlandosentinel.com/automagic/columnists/2000-09-10/OPEDreese10s09100
0.html

George W. Bush called a New York Times reporter a bad name and
didn't apologize. I like that.

One local fellow remarked that anyone who knows anything about
the New York Times knows that Bush was using a euphemism. I don't
know if he was recalling when the New York Times covered up
Joseph Stalin's crimes in the 1930s or when it was selling Fidel
Castro as the new George Washington of the Caribbean. When it
comes to spotting evil on the left, the New York Times and the
Central Intelligence Agency have similar records.

At any rate, anyone offended by Bush's remarks, are those who are
already committed to Prince Albert Gore, privileged child and
tobacco farmer. Lest you worry about the sensitive feelings of
American journalists, let me reassure you that there is no more
arrogant or profane trade in the United States.

People these days are used to the idea of slanted news and biased
coverage. The press, by and large, however is blind to its own
sins. It's not just the natural defensive arrogance of an
institution accountable to no one, but when a liberal pronounces
a conservative a fool, he thinks that he's just telling the
truth. To a liberal, the idea, even the possibility, that he, the
liberal, might be wrong is strictly beyond the pale.

Of course even liberals are entitled to their opinions, but if
they are journalists, they are not entitled to slant the news to
bolster their opinions. That's where American journalism has gone
wrong.

The formula for slanting the news is quite simple. If you don't
like the guy, you maximize his mistakes and minimize his
successes; if you like him, you reverse the process. You can
watch this process in the presidential campaign. Remember,
in-depth national surveys have shown that America's journalistic
elite are, with rare exceptions, liberal Democrats. Any slip of
the tongue by George W. Bush will be big news while Al Gore's
more serious sins will be ignored or minimized.

Some years ago, for an article in a journalism trade magazine, an
enterprising reporter interviewed editors who had been
interviewed for news stories. You guessed it. The editors had the
same complaints that readers have. Many said it was obvious the
reporter had already decided what the story was going to be even
before he asked the first question. Some complained of being
misquoted.

This is all inside stuff and of no real interest to you, the
reader, except as a reminder to read critically anything you see
in the press or on television. The most insidious sin is to take
things out of context. Another technique is ignoring people with
opinions the liberal paper doesn't like.

I know of one case in which a woman was elected president of the
national Right to Life organization. The newspaper's readers
never knew, even though she lived within blocks of the office.
Yet when the late Abbie Hoffman made an appearance at a
university (he wasn't late at that time) well out of the paper's
circulation area, it gave his puerile ranting two pages.

A similar technique translated to television is to pick the
handsomest, most-articulate person you can find to represent the
opinion you favor and the ugliest, least-articulate person you
can find to represent the opposing view. Then, of course, you
just turn on the cameras and let them have a "fair" debate.

View and read everything with skepticism. Remember that truth and
information are not synonyms. And do learn to think for yourself.
There already are more than enough sheep in this world.

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[CTRL] CM: The Great Pretenders of the USA

2000-09-22 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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CommentMax

The Great Pretenders of the USA

Dr.  James Hirsen September 8, 2000


Colin Powell recently gave a speech on the subject of military
preparedness.  He evoked a phrase that so aptly and succinctly
describes what has been occurring in the Clinton/Gore
administration over the past several years.  Many have tried to
pinpoint the administration's secret strategy but Powell has
nailed it right on the head.

General Powell spoke of those current White House reps who
pretend that our military readiness is fine, even the "best we've
ever seen." He points out that the administration wants to
pretend that our aircraft operations are at an acceptable level,
that junior officers are not leaving at an alarming rate, and
that we do not have the highest attrition rate of officers we've
seen in decades.

But what the former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff may or
may not have realized is that with great clarity he has
summarized not only the administration's attitude toward the
military, but he has managed to identify its entire governing
approach.  The Clinton administration has been engaged in a
serious, long-running game of "let's pretend."

Here's how it has worked.  The Clinton/Gore administration, in
essence, has said.

*let's pretend that our schools are safe and our kids are
learning.

*let's pretend that crime is down, that guns shoot people, and
that violence on T.V.  and in movies doesn't really influence
behavior.

*let's pretend that national security remains a top priority,
that no nuclear missiles are pointed at the U.S., and that the
communist Chinese are our friends.

*let's pretend that a baby is not a baby before it is born.

*let's pretend that the era of big government is over, that
government is responsible for good economic times, and that
people don't mind being overtaxed.

*let's pretend that the most qualified people get cabinet
positions.

*let's pretend that volunteers get paid.

*let's pretend that people lie to their diaries, that documents
magically appear after long absences, and that memories are sharp
until questioned under oath.

*let's pretend that no one actually hires aides and no one really
fires entire offices of workers.

*let's pretend that the IRS isn't targeting enemies of the
administration and that the theft of FBI files is just a
bureaucratic snafu.

*let's pretend that carrying a Bible means you're very religious
and holding hands means you believe in the sanctity of marriage.

*let's pretend that words mean whatever we want them to.

The examples are endless but the truth is that a game of pretense
can be quite dangerous.  What toll has this counterfeit contest
had on our sovereignty, our moral identity, our economic
stability or our national security?

Most likely, we will not know the price we have paid until we are
faced with a bona fide crisis.  One thing for certain, the most
dangerous game of all is for our nation to continue to play let's
pretend for a few more rounds and convince ourselves we won't
suffer the biggest loss of all.  Freedom.


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[CTRL] UPI: Belgrade gives Clinton, others 20 years in jail

2000-09-22 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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Belgrade gives Clinton, others 20 years in jail

Thursday, 21 September 2000 13:19 (ET)


Belgrade gives Clinton, others 20 years in jail

By STEFAN RACIN


BELGRADE, Yugoslavia, Sept.  21 (UPI) -- The district court in
Belgrade Thursday sentenced President Clinton, Secretary of State
Madeleine Albright and 13 other top Western and NATO leaders to a
maximum 20 years in prison for the use of weapons prohibited
under international law and crimes against the civilian
population during last year's NATO air campaign against
Yugoslavia.

Veroljub Raketic, the presiding judge, said the arrest warrants
would be issued for the convicted leaders and their sentences
would start as soon as they are arrested.

During the four-day trial in the biggest courtroom in the Palace
of Justice, in which 14 seats labeled with the names of the
accused were left vacant, the officially appointed lawyer
defending Clinton told the court he could cite as an extenuating
circumstances that Clinton came from "an incomplete family and
lived with a step-father which probably left a mark on his
overall behavior."

Another court-appointed lawyer defending Albright asked the court
to take into account her repressed psychological state as a woman
subordinated to the U.S.  president and the fact that she had
never before been sentenced for war crimes.

Apart from Clinton and Albright the convicted included Defense
Secretary William Cohen; British Prime Minister Tony Blair and
Foreign Secretary Robin Cook; French President Jacques Chirac,
Foreign Minister Hubert Vedrine and Defense Minister Alain
Richard; German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Foreign Minister
Joschka Fisher and Defense Minister Rudolf Scharping; the former
and present NATO Secretaries General Javier Solana and Lord
George Robertson; and the former NATO Supreme Commander in
Europe, Gen.  Wesley Clark.

They were ordered to pay legal costs within 15 days of the
sentences taking effect under pain of enforcement.

The indictments said that the accused were responsible for NATO
forces using 31,000 shells each with 300 grams of depleted
uranium at eight locations in Serbia and Montenegro and that 10
tons of this kind of ammunition were dropped on Kosovo.  This
specifically polluted the environments of villages in the
vicinity of Vranje, Bujanovac and Presevo in southern Serbia
causing various types of cancer and death, according to the
indictments, the court said.

NATO also dropped a huge quantity of cluster bombs in the areas
of Nis, Sombor, Kurumlija, Podujevo, Kraljevo, Novi Sad, Mount
Kopaonik and other places, killing 34 people including an 8-month
pregnant woman and leaving many other people seriously or
slightly injured, the indictment said.


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[CTRL] Case of the poisoned umbrella is closed

2000-09-22 Thread Richard Sampson

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http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/2000/09/22/timnwsnws01028.html

September 22 2000
  BRITAIN


  Case of the poisoned
   umbrella is closed

  BY DANIEL MCGRORY
 BRITISH spy chiefs learnt
 yesterday that the files were
 being closed on of one of the
 most infamous murders carried
 out by secret agents in London.

 The Bulgarian dissident Georgy
 Markov was on Waterloo Bridge
 in September 1978 when he was
 stabbed by a poisoned umbrella
 and died four days later.

 The killer, who appeared to
 bump into his victim at a bus
 stop, was never caught.
 Yesterday the Bulgarian
 authorities said they have
 stopped looking because the
 crime had been committed 20
 years ago.

 In 1990 a double agent who
 worked for Russia and Britain,
 Oleg Gordievsky, revealed in his
 memoirs that the Soviet KGB
 had provided the poison and
 had coached Bulgarian secret
 services in how to commit the
 murder.

 This was confirmed by the
 former head of the KGB, Oleg
 Kalugin, who claimed that the
 murder had been ordered by
 Bulgaria's Communist dictator,
 Todor Zhivkov.

 He died in jail in 1998 still
 refusing to confirm that he had
 been responsible. Now the
 public prosecutor in Sofia,
 Nestor Nestorov, said Bulgaria
 would supply information to
 British authorities whose inquiry
 is still open.


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Re: [CTRL] The True story about the Finger OFF TOPIC

2000-09-22 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

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[CTRL] JonBenet Ramsey Case FBI

2000-09-22 Thread lloyd

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Subject: JonBenet Ramsey Case  FBI
Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 2:10 AM

DONALD FREED EXPLAINS THE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY/KIDNAP RING THAT PLAGUES THE
U.S.A.


"Dr. McFarland's radio interview with Donald Freed 2/2/99"Posted by
jameson on Oct-23-99 at 06:43 PM (EST)

TRANSCRIPT OF A PUBLIC AFFAIR

aired 2/15/99 08:35am on KGNU-Boulder

MCFARLAND: This is Bob McFarland with a public affair and my guest this
morning is Donald Freed who is an author, screen writer among other
things. Donald Freed has written Killing Time, a book about the OJ
Simpson trial and the screen play, "Executive Action" which was about
the JFK assassination. And what other things would the listeners be
interested in what you've done?

FREED: I'm a visiting professor at Loyola Marymount University (L.A.)
and I'm teaching at USC and I'm working on a film about the murder of
Martin Luther King.

I've been working for about a year and a half on the Ramsey murder for a
two part series for ABC one of which is completed and the other of which
will be completed if ABC wishes to complete it. At the moment they have
frozen the project and it==s not clear whether it will be done elsewhere
if at all. And of course the crime that has generated such interest has
also GENERATED GREAT FEAR in the media because this taboo is the most
fearsome in a way of all the taboos.

But in so working on ABC's budget for that time, I was able to go to
Europe and elsewhere. And I finally presented some information to the
police and the FBI during several meetings in Boulder. I haven't talked
about it publicly until now, but I think now that I've waited more then
what use to be called a "decent interval". So I'll talk about this a
little bit.

If you take your mind back to the morning of the crime---I say the
morning of the crime because I think its clear what I mean and that
day after Christmas. The call came into the Boulder police at about
5:52am and thus began the time-line.

The kind of work I do is forensic work on time-lines. That's what I did
in the Simpson case in (my book) Killing Time. That's what I would like
you to follow me on.

After that call comes in, a uniformed policeman comes to the house by
about 6:00 am and then more personnel arrive. The morning goes by; in
the early afternoon the body is found, and sometime in the evening the
coroner arrives---and that's the rough time-line of that day. For
several hours during the morning, a Boulder police detective was alone
at the house while family and friends walked about and generally,
completely co-opted the crime scene.

Since that first day until this hour the lawyers and the pundits and
experts and media commentators have never ceased to state that the
Boulder police did not maintain the crime scene. In fact, they destroyed
the crime scene and they went so far as to create the most awkward move
perhaps in the history of a homicide investigation in asking John Ramsey
to search the house whereupon he found his daughter, carried her
upstairs, and laid her out in front of the Christmas tree.

All this has been rehearsed and repeated endlessly in the media and its
been stated by the most serious experts that the case will probably
never, ever go to trial because of the police mishandling of that day.
What is more (it is perceived) that the police didn't take the expert
advice that such an amateur police department from such a little town
would have needed. And there was the FBI offering to help at every step
of the way and finally trying to salvage the case by inviting everyone
to Quantico, Virginia; then helping with the presentation. And that is
the general idea or story line of the case.

MCFARLAND: Yes, one of the detectives, Linda Arndt filed a lawsuit over
her dismissal.

FREED: Now, if I may, Dr. McFarland, ask you a few questions?

MCFARLAND: Sure

FREED: How did it come to pass that, in your opinion, that the Boulder
police were in charge of the crime scene in general for about eight
hours with a lone detective there. And how is it that this detective and
this police force had never held themselves out as experts on terrorism
or kidnapping. Remember we're talking about a note that announces it==s
from a foreign faction that "hates" your country and has other "bigwigs"
in their gun sights. How do you understand it that the Boulder
police---the much blamed Boulder police---are in charge of this crime
scene?!?

MCFARLAND: H? Well, I think they didn't feel the need for another
unit because they really didn't believe that ransom note.

FREED: Oh, I quite agree with you, BUT let me say to you this. You're
aware, I'm sure, that the 

[CTRL] Fwd: HIV virus linked to more malaria infection -study

2000-09-22 Thread Carl Amedio

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doctors said on Friday.

 They have discovered that HIV sufferers in poor countries may be twice as
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Re: [CTRL] Degradation of our Children in Public School Systems

2000-09-22 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 Garbage is as garbage doesperhaps some of these kids spend too much
 time watching the animal and now livie by jungle law? 

The sexual habits of animals (with the possible exception of the Bonobo which
seems strangely like modern mankind) are governed by instinctive reaction to
various natural incentives.  Basically one can claim that animals are "pure"
and mate only when so required for procreation which seems to be what
whichever higher power you claim had in mind.  If our children spent a little
time watching aimals and living by jungle law, this world would be an
infinitely better place.  The problem is they are watching and experiencing
their parents and neighbors, and are living by modern civil and criminal law.
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Re: [CTRL] SM: How the New York Times helped railroad Wen Ho Lee

2000-09-22 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 How the New York Times helped railroad Wen Ho Lee

 Its reporters relied on slim evidence, quick conclusions and
 loyalty to sources with an ax to grind.  Too bad the paper of
 record learned nothing from its role in Whitewater. 

The New York Times has a habit of this kind of thing.  Remember how little
time it took to declare the story in the San Jose Mercury about the CIA as
drug peddlars as having no merit.  The above is the best definition of the
New York Times I've seen in a long time.   They produced a pretty good paper
once.  I guess that was back when the media really was liberal.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Welcoming Madeleine! - MER FlashBacks

2000-09-22 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 Well, remember what happened to the guy drving the white Fiat?   Maybe
 he made one of the cities of refuge and escaped the avengers of the
 blood royal, but who knows...wouldn't want that bunch mad at me. 

I believe his body was recently identified somewhere outside of Paris.  Did I
get that story right?  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Ted Nugent Speaks out on Gun Rights

2000-09-22 Thread Bob Stokes

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 I wonder how the right can feel so comfortable being in bed with this
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Why do you imagine that Ted Nugent is a right-winger?  He's a hippie and
hippie type people are as about as left wing as you can be.  But some lefties
can see that Constitutional rights are more important than welfare for the
rich.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Chase Manhattan Banks' Right-wing Relationship

2000-09-22 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn





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Chase Manhattan Banks' Right-wing Relationship
by Robert Lederman

The Rockefeller family's Chase Manhattan Bank has as its
motto, "Chase: The right relationship". As Chase is on the
verge of buying J.P. Morgan and becoming the world's richest
bank, it might be timely to explore a bit of the history behind
that slogan.

Chase Bank actively supported the most viciously racist regime
in world history, Nazi Germany's Third Reich. Unlike many
other banks which also have done business with murderous
regimes, Chase's involvement was much more than just a
business arrangement. Morgan Bank has a similar history of
closely working with Hitler and advocating Nazism both before
and throughout WWII. 

Chase Bank, it's owners, the Rockefeller family and the
family's other main business-Standard Oil (now known as
Exxon)-were an integral part of Hitler's war effort. Rockefeller,
Standard Oil and Chase Bank helped put Hitler in power,
helped him build the world's deadliest army, supplied him with
oil throughout the war and after the war helped the Nazi elite to
smuggle billions of dollars stolen from Holocaust victims and
Nazi-occupied countries out of Germany and into Swiss and
Latin American banks.

The powerhouse of Germany's war industry was I.G. Farben
the chemical company that patented and manufactured
Zyklon-B the nerve gas used in Auschwitz. The relationship of
I.G. Farben to Auschwitz went much deeper than Zyklon-B. 

Auschwitz was built by I.G. Farben as a slave labor camp that
manufactured rubber and other materials for the Nazi war
effort and "recycled" gold fillings, human hair and other
substances derived from those worked to death or killed in the
gas chambers. At the end of WWII I.G. Farben was
transformed into BASF, Bayer and Hoescht.

Rockefeller/Standard Oil was the largest stockholder in I.G.
Farben and I.G. Farben was-next to Rockefeller-the largest
shareholder in Standard Oil. Presidents Roosevelt and Truman
considered Standard Oil's executives and Rockefeller to be
traitors to America. 

John D. Rockefeller was also the world's biggest promoter of
Eugenics, the pseudo-science of racial differences, selective
breeding and "race betterment". Among the "scientists" his
foundation funded was Auschwitz's infamous doctor of death
Josef Mengele. Eugenics led directly to the Holocaust. Today,
Rockefeller foundations continue to fund Eugenics programs
worldwide under the guise of improving human health,
population control and disease control. 

In America Rockefeller/Chase's most influential front may be
the Manhattan Institute, a right wing think tank founded by
former CIA director William Casey after he helped bring
thousands of former Nazis to America following WWII. The
Manhattan Institute is the origin of every racially-biased,
constitution-violating policy Mayor Rudolph Giuliani has
instituted in New York City during the past six years. 

Among the resident scholars associated with the Institute is
Charles Murray author of The Bell Curve. This controversial
book advances the idea that African Americans are genetically
and intellectually inferior to Whites as a justification for
eliminating welfare and affirmative action. 

The Manhattan Institute is also the originator of G.W. Bush's
"compassionate conservatism". Bush, who has presided over
more executions than all other U.S. Governors combined,
claims that next to the bible Chase Bank's Manhattan Institute
has been the greatest influence on his ideas.

G.W. Bush's father, George Bush, was a Rockefeller puppet
according to Ronald Reagan and had numerous former Nazis
involved in his presidential campaign. G.W. Bush's
grandfather, Prescott Bush, managed Wall Street front
companies that raised money for Hitler and shipped supplies to
the Nazis. These companies were seized by the U.S.
government in 1942 under the Trading With the Enemy act.

The Rockefeller's art museum, The Museum of Modern Art
insists on displaying art seized by the Nazis from Jews on their
way to the concentration camps. It recently got a $65 million
dollar gift of NYC tax dollars from Mayor Giuliani at the same
time he was cutting the budget for art education in NYC
schools and asking the U.S. Supreme Court to eliminate First
Amendment protection for all visual art.

Chase Manhattan Banks' logo is a modified swastika. When
you see or hear their ads about Chase: The Right Relationship
think Hitler, Nazism and Auschwitz. Morgan Bank, the Swiss
Banks that stole and hid Jewish bank accounts and Chase
belong 

Re: [CTRL] Ted Nugent Speaks out on Gun Rights

2000-09-22 Thread William Shannon

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 Why do you imagine that Ted Nugent is a right-winger?  He's a hippie and
 hippie type people are as about as left wing as you can be.  

He's no hippy...he has long hair but that means nothing.
If you knew anything about him, which it's clear you don't, you'd know that
he's to the right of Atilla the Hun.

Bill.

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[CTRL] Fwd: FEAR: Florida: Drug-dog sniffs not enough evidence for forfeiture

2000-09-22 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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[CTRL] US Poisoned Iraqi Public Water Supply (fwd)

2000-09-22 Thread Yardbird

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PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY IN GULF WAR

   SUNDAY HERALD - 17 September 2000:
   The US-led allied forces deliberately destroyed Iraq's water supply
   during the Gulf War - flagrantly breaking the Geneva Convention and
   causing thousands of civilian deaths.

   Since the war ended in 1991 the allied nations have made sure than any
   attempts to make contaminated water safe have been thwarted.

   A respected American professor now intends to convene expert hearings
   in a bid to pursue criminal indictments under international law
   against those responsible.

   Professor Thomas J Nagy, Professor of Expert Systems at George
   Washington University with a doctoral fellowship in public health,
   told the Sunday Herald: "Those who saw nothing wrong in producing
   [this plan], those who ordered its production and those who knew about
   it and have remained silent for 10 years would seem to be in violation
   of Federal Statute and perhaps have even conspired to commit
   genocide."

   Professor Nagy obtained a minutely detailed seven-page document
   prepared by the US Defence Intelligence Agency, issued the day after
   the war started, entitled Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities and
   circulated to all major allied Commands.

   It states that Iraq had gone to considerable trouble to provide a
   supply of pure water to its population. It had to depend on importing
   specialised equipment and purification chemicals, since water is
   "heavily mineralised and frequently brackish".

   The report stated: "Failing to secure supplies will result in a
   shortage of pure drinking water for much of the population. This could
   lead to increased incidents, if not epidemics, of disease and certain
   pure-water dependent industries becoming incapacitatedƒ"

   The report concludes: "Full degradation of the water treatment system
   probably will take at least another six months."

   During allied bombing campaigns on Iraq the country's eight
   multi-purpose dams had been repeatedly hit, simultaneously wrecking
   flood control, municipal and industrial water storage, irrigation and
   hydroelectric power. Four of seven major pumping stations were
   destroyed, as were 31 municipal water and sewerage facilities - 20 in
   Baghdad, resulting in sewage pouring into the Tigris. Water
   purification plants were incapacitated throughout Iraq.

   Article 54 of the Geneva Convention states: "It is prohibited to
   attack, destroy or render useless objects indispensable to the
   survival of the civilian population" and includes foodstuffs,
   livestock and "drinking water supplies and irrigation works".

   The results of the allied bombing campaign were obvious when Dr David
   Levenson visited Iraq immediately after the Gulf War, on behalf of
   International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War.

   He said: "For many weeks people in Baghdad - without television,
   radio, or newspapers to warn them - brought their drinking water from
   the Tigris, in buckets.

   "Dehydrated from nausea and diarrhoea, craving liquids, they drank
   more of the water that made them sick in the first place."

   Water-borne diseases in Iraq today are both endemic and epidemic. They
   include typhoid, dysentery, hepatitis, cholera and polio (which had
   previously been eradicated), along with a litany of others.

   A child with dysentery in 1990 had a one in 600 chance of dying - in
   1999 it was one in 50.

   The then US Navy Secretary John Lehman estimated that 200,000 Iraqis
   died in the Gulf War. Dr Levenson estimates many thousands died from
   polluted water.

   Chlorine and essential equipment parts needed to repair and clear the
   water system have been banned from entering the country under the UN
   "hold"system.

   Ohio Democrat Representative Tony Hall has written to American
   Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, saying he shares concerns
   expressed by Unicef about the "profound effects the deterioration of
   Iraq's water supply and sanitation systems on children's health".
   Diarrhoeal diseases he says are of "epidemic proportions" and are "the
   prime killer of children under five".

   "Holds on contracts for water and sanitation are a prime reason for
   

Re: [CTRL] US Poisoned Iraqi Public Water Supply (fwd)

2000-09-22 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 09/22/2000 10:08:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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The US-led allied forces deliberately destroyed Iraq's water supply
during the Gulf War - flagrantly breaking the Geneva Convention and
causing thousands of civilian deaths.

Since the war ended in 1991 the allied nations have made sure than any
attempts to make contaminated water safe have been thwarted.

A respected American professor now intends to convene expert hearings
in a bid to pursue criminal indictments under international law
against those responsible.

Professor Thomas J Nagy, Professor of Expert Systems at George
Washington University with a doctoral fellowship in public health,
told the Sunday Herald: "Those who saw nothing wrong in producing
[this plan], those who ordered its production and those who knew about
it and have remained silent for 10 years would seem to be in violation
of Federal Statute and perhaps have even conspired to commit
genocide." 

Well, so much for my old beliefs that all US soldiers and their leaders
really wore white hats.   No wonder we didn't really go after the Hutu.  We
have a lot in common with them.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Welcoming Madeleine! - MER FlashBacks

2000-09-22 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Well Prudy.the guy in the white Fiat was the reporter it is said,
but I am wonderng if the guy was not spirited away and if that was him
in the automobile or some dead body they produced from a morgue to lead
the hounds from hell away.   These Tabloid reporters - many work for CIA
and MI6 and this is why they get away with being so aggressive and why
they are permitted to hound and tormet certain people.

The now go for the little Prince - as they did JFK Jr.JFK Jr and the
little Princess were murdered - they had a limelight which nobody could
penetrate and upset the system.

Consider Tony Blair having to go to the Queen for permission to enforce
an emergency order during gas crisis with possible food shortages
pending due to strikes?

Monarchs in waiting?   Ever see some of those Hollywood stars fall on
all fours before Princess of Wales who was obviously so doped up she
operated with diminished capacity?

So like female Icarus?   She was shooting star and no matter where she
was that night, she would have been eliminated

And a doctor just happened by wth his little black bag?

All over the world there are Monarchs in waiting who believe they will
be restored to their thrones.divine right to rule.

Important next year who sits in our White House.throne of David
maybe?   Well Jerry Falwell no doubt thinks so for the new messiah must
be of royal descent in order to qualify and be descendent of David..

Only thing, paint the star red.   Assassins pave the way to glory?

A. Saba
Dare To Call It Conspiracy

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[CTRL] Cohen: 20X increase in USA lymphatic cancers in 5 years: rbGH milk 9.7.00

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Subject: Cohen: 20X increase in USA lymphatic cancers in 5 years: rbGH milk  9.7.00
Date: Friday, September 08, 2000 3:15 AM

Cohen: 20X increase in USA lymphatic cancers in 5 years: rbGH milk
9.7.00

Subject:  NOTMILK THE MOST IMPORTANT AND
INCREDIBLE THING I'VE EVER WRITTEN
  Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:38:16 -0400
  From:  Robert Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear Friends,

If you only read one thing that I write this millennium,
please make it this column.

This is really amazing, and should cause quite a stir.
You are the first to learn:

LYMPHATIC PLAGUE

An epidemic rise in one under-publicized category of cancers should
sound an alarm for all Americans.  There is a powerful link to the
dramatic surge in lymphatic cancer: the 1994 approval of the genetically

engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH).  Before 1995, lymphatic cancers

were comparatively rare.

Today, if one adds up the total number of cancer deaths from breast,
prostate, lung, pancreatic, and genital cancers, they do not
cumulatively equal the number of deaths from lymphatic cancers.  Do I
have your attention?

This year Americans will consume nearly 180 billion pounds of milk and
dairy products in various forms.  That will average out to 666 pounds
per American, nearly 40% of the average American diet. Cheese eaters,
ice cream slurpers, and milk drinkers of both sexes and every age group
will be ingesting dairy products from hormonally-treated cows.

Most Americans are unaware that laboratory animals treated with
rbGH experienced enormous changes in their lymphatic systems.  The
spleens of these animals grew dramatically.

The controversial genetically modified cow hormone was approved for
human consumption in February of 1994.  Cancer statistics
have recently been published by the U.S. Census Bureau comparing death
rates from cancer by sex and age groups in 1980, 1990, and 1995.  These
data support evidence of a runaway plague. All of America became a
laboratory study for rbGH, which is now in America's ice cream, cheese,
and pizza.

There are small increases and decreases in lymphatic cancer rates from
1980 to 1990 depending upon sex and age group.  What happened in 1995
represents the most dramatic short-term increase of any single cancer in

the history of epidemiological discovery and analyses.

   DEATH RATES FROM LYMPHATIC CANCER BY SEX AND AGE (1980 - 1995)
  (Deaths per 100,000 population in specified age group)

MALE FEMALE
   % %
 1980   1990 1995  increase  1980  1990 1995
increase
AGE GROUPS

35-44  4.3  4.5  36.5 811%  2.4 2.1
44.0   2095%
45-5410.210.9143.7   1318%  6.6 6.0140.7
2345%
55-6424.427.2480.5   1767% 16.8   16.7357.5
2141%
65-7448.156.8  1089.9   1919% 34.4   39.5690.7
1749%
75-8480.0  104.5  1842.3   1763% 57.6   71.2  1061.5   1495%

85+   93.2  140.5  2837.3   2019% 63.0   90.0   1249.1
1588%

The approval process for rbGH was the most controversial drug
application in the history of the Food  Drug Administration (FDA).  In
order to address that controversy, the FDA published an article in the
journal SCIENCE (August 24, 1990).

Data in that paper reveal that the average male rat receiving rbGH
developed a spleen 39.6 percent larger than the spleen of the
control animals after just 90 days of treatment.  The spleens from
rbGH-treated females increased in size by a factor of 46 percent. These
are not normal reactions and portray animals in distress.  These animals

were "under attack" by the genetically engineered hormone.  The spleen
is the first line of defense in a mammal's lymphatic system.

Lab animals treated with rbGH developed lymphatic abnormalities.
This same hormone causing changes in lab animals was introduced into
America's food supply in 1994. As Americans continue to ingest
genetically engineered milk and dairy products, lymphatic cancer
rates soar.  Americans have become laboratory subjects in genetic
engineering's experiment, and the resulting data indicates
extreme cause for concern.

Robert Cohen
http://www.notmilk.com

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[CTRL] SNET: THE WICKED MEN OF THE BOHEMIAN GROVE by Texe Marrs (fwd)

2000-09-22 Thread William Bacon

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THE WICKED MEN OF THE BOHEMIAN GROVE

  They privately meet for seventeen intense days in a foreboding "sacred
grove" of ancient redwood trees in the deep forests surrounding San
Francisco. Some 2,300 in number, their membership roll is kept secret, but
includes super-rich, blood dynsty family members of the illuminati,
heavy-hitting corporate chieftains, and high government officials. Among
them: former U.S. Presidents George Bush and Gerald Ford; the mayors of Los
Angeles, San Francisco, and other cities; astronauts Wally Schirra and Frank
Borman; former FBI and CIA directors; former Secretaries of State George
Schulz and Henry Kissinger; international bankers; and the heads of big oil
companies (ARCO, Mobil, Pennzoil, Texaco, etc.) In a stunning cameo
appearance, Great Britain's Queen Elizabeth showed up in 1983. Her Majesty
was honored with a wild, ecstatic, pagan dance ceremony, complete with stage
props such as Egyptain pyramids and Babylonian ziggaurats.
  The Bohemian Grove represents the eternal mystery cult of Babylon, Rome,
and Greece. Its members celebrate the ancient gods Attis, Mithra, Apollo,
Zoroaster, and others. Scottish rite Masaonry is part and parcel of the
Bohemian Grove.Most important, this is where diabolical Satanic powers
congregate each year to plan and execute the grotesque hidden agenda
throughout the Earth of their infernal deity, Lucifer!
  Texe Marrs takes listeners on a mind-jarring journey. He peers behind the
deep, green foliage and twisted vines, and the moss-covered brown limbs and
trunks of ancient, gnarled trees, to discover what really goes on at the
Bohemian Grove. Closed to the public, and sealed off by helicopters, a
private security force, and armed guards, the wicked Bohemiams are free to
perform supreme acts of vile debauchery. They deserve to be exposed - and
now, finnaly, they are!

What fantastic evil is revealed by this unparalleled examination of the
mysteriously decadent secret society known as the Bohemian Grove?
House Speaker Newt Gingrich - was he instructed in 1995 by superiors at the
Bohemian Grove on how to cooperate with President Bill Clinton in building
the New World Order?
What goes on in those forest groves where the rich insiders meet? What about
the reports that former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger wanders about in
the nude ... that former President George Bush and others have been seen
wandering around clad only black robes ... that prominent, male world
leaders parade around and pose as transvestites in women's clothers?
Are homosexual orgies prevalent at the Bohemian Grove? Are young boys,
prostitutes, and mind-controlled "Project Monarch" slaves brought in for the
pleasure (and sometimes torture!) of the evil Bohemias?
Why did German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt write in his book of memoirs, Men
and Powers, that his weekend as a guest at the Bohemian Grove encampment was
"one of the most astounding experiences I ever had in the United States."
Are the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, and other high-level Illuminati
represented at annual Bohemian Grove bashes?
What incredibly wicked ceremonial ritual performed at the Grove involves
Hitlerian Third Reich omens and Satanic worship of the ancient god Zeus and
his bull incarnation, Taurus? What disgusting "delicacy" do the Bohemiams
dine on during this mind-boggling event?
Are innocent, young children literally sacrificed to the devil as a noted
part of one of the despicable, Bohemian Grove ceremonies? Was the murder of
12-year-old Polly Klaas connected to the Bohemian atrocities?
Why, in one ritual, do the assembled members all bow down before a giant,
forty foot statue of an owl? Why do the solemn High Priest, priests in
red-orange robes, devoted acolytes, and accompanying torch bearers burn a
towering effigy?
Why do Bohemian members openly and proudly, yet with tight lips, display owl
figuerines, statuettes and images in their homes and in their corporate and
government officies? Why do some even wear owl-image cuff links?
Do the Bohemian Grove powers control the presidency of the United States?
Why 

[CTRL] SNET: OUR NATIONAL PARKS NOW BELONG TO UN by Texe Marrs (fwd)

2000-09-22 Thread William Bacon

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OUR NATIONAL PARKS NOW BELONG TO UNITED NATIONS,
by Texe Marrs

 Across this great land, our national parks, wildlands, forests, and lakes
are being turned over to UN control, Joseph Urso, Jr., a friend of the
ministry who hails from Knoxville, Tennessee, recently sent me a photograph
of the entrance sign of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. Notice the
telling phrase on the sign: "AN INTERNATIONAL BIOSPHERE RESERVE."
  This means that, under the United Nations Biodiversity Treaty, a precious
resource—owned by American citizens for over 200 years—has been turned over
to the UN's bureaucrats for control. Yes, you and I will continue to pay
taxes for the maintenance and upkeep of the Great Smoky Mountains National
Parks. But we no longer own it. Now, the UN has ultimate jurisdiction. This
alone is startling evidence that the once independent nation-state known as
the United States of America is going out with a whimper and not a bang. Our
sovereignty is coming to an end.
As a consequence, across the U.S.A., our parks and wilderness areas are
slowly being closed to the public. Roads inside the parks are being grazed
over. Mountain passes and hiking paths are being blockaded. "No fishing,"
"No hunting," "No trespassing" signs are being erected everywhere on public
lands. Entrance fees are being jacked up 100%, even 500% higher, to keep
American families out of their own lands.
   The UN and its elitist masters don't want you on their property! And in
case you do "trespass" and enter forbidden areas of these pristine UN lands,
you might just be shot. U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service agents and park
personnel are now taught to love nature's Mother Earth and to despise and
loathe human beings. They are being given firearms and instructed to use
them. Meanwhile, foreign immigrants from India, China, Pakistan, Pakistan,
Bulgaria, Russia and other nations are being recruited for this national
park service police duty because, unlike U.S. nationals, non-English
speaking foreigners will not hesitate to carry out orders and shoot American
citizen "intruders."
   But even if you are not shot or arrested, there is still a possibility of
being bitten—or eaten! As my friend, Joseph Urso, Jr., points out, the feds
have been reintroducing vicious wolves into Yellowstone National Park and
into Great Smoky Mountains National Park. The idea is to put the lives of
park visitors in jeopardy and to frighten tourists away.
   Environmental groups, of course, are overjoyed that the UN is taking over
our parks and forests and putting the screws to the people. Such
organizations as the Nature Conservancy and the National Wildlife Federation
are funded and controlled by Rockefeller monied interests. The leader of
these organizations hate human beings and believe that the takeover of our
parklands and heritage sites by the UN is the paying of homage to their
pagan nature goddess, "Mother Earth."
   In protest, I have registered a complaint with U.S. Senator Jesse Helms
of North Carolina. Helms, a Republican, is Chairman of the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee. As Chairman, he has the power to put a stop to all this
nonsense. What's more, the Great Smoky Mountains National Park lies partly
inside Helm's home state, North Carolina, as well as in neighboring
Tennessee.
   My answer from Senator Helms came in March when he and his committee
warmly embraced and voted for President Clinton's choice, Madeleine
Albright, to become Secretary of State. Albright, a Marxist, is an avid
supporter of the UN's Biodiversity Treaty. She endorses the unconstitutional
giving away of American sovereignty over its lands and natural resources.
   Some may be surprised that Jesse Helms would commit this act of high
treason. They are puzzled that the Senator, who is so warmly supported by
the Christian Coalition and other conservative groups, would conspire with
Bill Clinton, the UN, and the Illuminati elite to give away our birthright
and heritage to New World Order forces.
Ever since Jesse Helms was elevated to the 330 of Freemasonary, bowing his
knee before the black stone altar of the false gods Jahbulon, 

[CTRL] The last word on T***s

2000-09-22 Thread Johannes Schmidt III

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As an interesting linguistic observation, the term 'fanny' has the same meaning here 
(Australia) as the term 'twat', which has a different (but not dissimilar)
meaning in the USA. So you may get very strange looks from Australians if you use 
expressions like "Pat her on the Fanny" or "I fell on my fanny" or "I slapped my kid 
on the Fanny"

Just so you all know.

I was desubscribed to the list again, but I think I know the reason. The 2 weeks of 
old posts and 3 meg on my email I am still wading through. Lets keep these
trivial snippets to a minimum please?

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[CTRL] Fwd: Quote of the day

2000-09-22 Thread nessie

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"Even stray cats know that Kostunica is a man loyal to the New World
 Order ... He is supported by gays and lesbians, members of various
 non-government and feminist organizations."

 - Serbian pro-government newspaper "Politika" referring to Slobodan
   Milosevic's opposition candidate. (Source: Reuters, in Yahoo! News;

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2918/wl/yugoslavia_elections_dc_1.html)

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Re: [CTRL] US Poisoned Iraqi Public Water Supply (fwd)

2000-09-22 Thread nessie

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Since the war ended in 1991




The war obviously hasn't ended. It is still going on. What has ended is
the mass media calling a war and the American public caring about what
happens over there.

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[CTRL] Slam The NAB

2000-09-22 Thread nessie

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Slam The NAB

http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/27.html

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
IMC RADIO NOW BROADCASTING LIVE!
from San Francisco Independent Media Center ...
covering the protests and direct action at the National
Association of Broadcasters conference. Because why
the hell would you listen to NAB corporate radio for
coverage of NAB protests?
Go to http://www.indybay.org/ to listen!
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Overview
As Members of the National Association of Broadcasters began
their three day national conventional in San Francisco yesterday,
activists from all over the country began descending on the city
to protest the corporate commercialism that the NAB represents,
it's misrepresentation of crucial issues such as homelessness,
immigration, and globalization, and its aggressive campaign against
Low Power FM.

While the NAB claims that microradio interferes with their "business;"
community groups claim that the NAB interferes with our democracy.

As activists confront NAB convention-goers, the IMC will be there
to give voice to the growing movement of people who insist that public
access to the airwaves is a non-negotiable demand in a democratic society.


Moving The Media Revolution Forward
IMC's Sheri Herndon Interviews Robert W. McChesney
http://www.la-indymedia.org/display.php3?article_id=3493
"I think we need to demand things from commercial broadcasters for the use
of the spectrum, and the things I would immediately say we should demand
of them is that they not run any television paid political ads which
basically
urinate on our political culture...we should take all the commercials off
television news as well and divest those from the owners and make them the
property of collectives of journalists"


Interview With Stephen Dunifer
by John Tarleton
http://www.cybertraveler.org/dunifer.html
Stephen Dunifer launched Free Radio Berkeley in 1993 with a transmitter
the size of a brick. In this interview, he reflects on efforts to build a
grassroots movement to free the media from corporate control.


Ongoing coverage at:
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http://www.sf.indymedia.org/

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Protesters Try to NAB Spotlight

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,38943,00.html

by John Gartner, Sep. 21, 2000

SAN FRANCISCO -- Radio broadcasters are meeting to figure out how best
to expand their reach into the new digital frontier, but not everyone
is sending out the welcome wagon.

Protestors here at the National Association of Broadcasters Radio Show
fear that commercial broadcasters will limit choice and prevent
community voices on the digital airwaves in much the same way they
control today's media.

"Ever since the NAB was founded 78 years ago, they have been acting
against the public interest," said Steve Rendall, senior analyst for
Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, a media watchdog group that
co-sponsored Thursday's protest.

"At every turn NAB is strategically between the people and their
property: the airwaves," Rendall said.

While Colin Powell was addressing the NAB audience inside, the
"National Association of Brainwashers" held its own mock press
conference outside the Moscone Center.

The group was protesting the consolidation of the media since the
Telecommunications Act of 1996, which loosened regulations on media
acquisitions within geographic markets. According to FAIR, more than
4,000 radio stations have been acquired since the legislation was
passed, and minority ownership of radio stations has declined by 9
percent.

The faux executives and celebrity impersonators -- including CEO
"Rob R. Baron" and talk-show host "Howard Sternum", were promoting the
"all commercials, all the time" network that stresses homogeneity and
is subservient to corporations.

"I'm on 554 stations so far, and I should be on every one of them,"
said the shock-jock impersonator, who repeatedly mocked Howard Stern's
proclivity for profanity by saying "tits" and "penis" at every
opportunity.

The parody players announced that they were merging the NAB with the
NRA so that "if you don't listen to Howard, we can put a gun to your
head."

Andrea Buffa, executive director of the Media Alliance, which also
participated in the protest, said the NAB is "like the NRA, except
they want to kill off free speech."

Lampooning the influence of large corporations on broadcasters, the
group also showed fake commercial spots for Nike ("Because your kids
shouldn't have to make their own shoes"), Gap ("We put the sweat in
sweatshops") and Apple Computer ("Think just like us").
Rendall said the protest was necessary to bring the public's attention
to three major issues: the NAB's threat to the Federal Communications
Commission's recent decision to begin licensing low-power FM 

[CTRL] WND: Red Money In US Politic

2000-09-22 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

-Caveat Lector-

From:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/2920_xcsof_red_money_.shtml


Red money inside American politics

© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com


There is one golden rule to politics: the one who has the gold
makes the rules. And China seems to be a major source of cash for
the life-blood of modern politics in America. The Chinese money
flow continues today. For example, Bernard Schwartz, CEO of Loral
Space  Communications Ltd., gave $12,500 in 1991-1992 to
Democrats. In 1993-1994 he gave $112,500 to Democrats just three
months after being included in an August 1994 China trade trip.

In August 1994 Bernard Schwartz accompanied Ron Brown on the
Presidential Business Development Mission trade trip to China. At
the behest of Bill Clinton, Schwartz met with officials of the
Chinese defense industry including Chinese army Lt. Gen. Shen
Rong-Jun, and Liu Ji-Yuan the minister of China Aerospace Corp.
China Aerospace manufactures all Chinese army ballistic missiles
and space rockets.

After contributing, Schwartz received huge China satellite
contracts at a time when his company was not doing well. In this
election cycle Schwartz has donated over $600,000 directly to the
Democrats or directly to Democrat candidates including Hillary
Clinton and Sen. Ted Kennedy. Schwartz denies buying access.

Another company that denies it has insider access at the highest
level is the trading firm Goldman Sachs. Former Treasury
Secretary Robert Rubin worked at Goldman Sachs before coming to
the Clinton administration to run money policy. Documents
obtained using the Freedom of Information Act show that Gore
campaign chairman Commerce Secretary William Daley met in October
1997 with Goldman Sachs and the leader of an Asian firm reported
to be "an intelligence-collection front for China."

The documents show that then Commerce Secretary Daley met with
Chinese billionaire Li Ka-Shing during a closed luncheon
sponsored by the powerful investment firm Goldman Sachs. Daley
currently operates and controls Al Gore's campaign. Li Ka-Shing's
company, Hutchison Whampoa, currently operates and controls the
two ports on the Panama Canal, the Pacific port of Balboa and the
Atlantic port of Cristobal.

The meeting was held onboard the Goldman Sachs' boat "Monkey's
Uncle" as part of an informal "talk" between Secretary Daley, Li
and several "influential business people." The documents show
that Daley's meeting onboard the "Monkey's Uncle" included a Mr.
Duo from China Resources, a firm reported by Senator Fred
Thompson, R. Tenn., to be "an agent of espionage -- economic,
military, and political -- for China."

After the Daley meeting, Goldman Sachs was given the exclusive
and very lucrative stock offering for Petrochina, an oil company
wholly owned by the Chinese government. One other major
stockholder in Petrochina is, of course, Chinese tycoon Li
Ka-Shing. In the 2000 campaign, the Goldman Sachs Political
Action Committee alone has donated over $200,000 split evenly
between Republican and Democrat candidates.

Still, China is not alone when it comes to corruption politics.
The newly found capitalists in Beijing do have some strange
bedfellows. For example, the U.S. energy industry is not lacking
for attention from inside the Clinton/Gore fundraising machine.
Federal Election Commission records show that Mission Energy CEO
John Bryson donated money to the Clinton/Gore campaign and
contributed money to Clinton's legal defense fund.

Mission Energy is also a partner of Indonesia's Lippo group, a
consortium part-owned by Indonesian billionaire Moctar Riady and
the Chinese army-owned finance company CITIC. Moctar Riady is
also accused of illegally donating money to the Clinton-Gore
political campaigns.

In 1994, Edison Mission Energy landed a trade trip with Ron Brown
to Indonesia. As a result of that trip, Mission Energy ended up
with a contract to build the Paiton I Indonesian coal fired power
plant. Previously released documents from the U.S. Commerce
Department clearly show that the Paiton I project was actually
filled with known corruption from President Suharto's
administration.

Paiton I was billed as the first "private" electric plant in
Indonesia. However, private ownership in Indonesia equated into
owned and operated by the Suharto "First Family."

The partners in the Paiton I consortium included Edison Mission
Energy, Mitsui  Co., Ltd. of Japan, General Electric Capital
Corporation, and P.T. Batu Hitam Perkasa. Just by co-incidence,
of course, P.T. Batu was owned by Indonesian dictator Suharto's
youngest daughter, Titek Prabowo, and her brother-in-law, Hashim
Djojohadikusumo.

Prawabo's brother-in-law, Hashim, also received an exclusive, no
bid, no-cut contract to supply coal for the power plant. Hashim's
financial backer in his coal mining business is Moctar Riady and
the Lippo Group. The U.S. State Department characterized the
over-priced coal contract with Hashim as "the Achilles Heel" of
Paiton Swasta I.

Nor 

[CTRL] WND: Chinese Navy visits USA

2000-09-22 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

-Caveat Lector-

From:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith_news/2920_xnsof_chinese_na.shtml

Chinese navy visits U.S. base

Sailors of both nations tour each other's ships


By Charles Smith
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com


Two warships from the People's Republic of China recently made a
port visit to the U.S. Naval Station in Everett, Wash., as part
of a goodwill cruise to the United States.

The Luhu-class guided-missile destroyer Qingdao and the
Fuqing-class oiler Taicang led the visit to the U.S. Navy base.

In early September, the two warships visited Pearl Harbor and
then proceeded to Everett as part of a visit to the United
States. According to U.S. Navy documentation, the Qingdao is the
flagship of senior People's Liberation Army navy representative
Rear Adm. Lu Fangqiu, the chief of staff of the North Sea fleet.

During the visit on Sept. 14, Lu was given a personal tour of the
nuclear-powered aircraft carrier U.S.S. Carl Vinson. U.S. Navy
public affairs Petty Officer Elsass confirmed the Chinese navy
visit, including Lu's tour of the U.S.S. Carl Vinson.

"This was a goodwill visit," stated Elsass from her office. "The
Chinese also toured the Boeing plant, toured the Bremerton Naval
Station, played soccer and attended a social event. There was no
documented briefings or real documentation given to the Chinese."

She added, "Chinese navy personnel shopped at our post exchange.
I understand our PX was more popular than the Vinson tour."

A noted American defense adviser and author, however, contends
the Chinese military visits have a more sinister purpose than
shopping at the U.S. Navy post exchange.

"This is another example of the out-of-control U.S-China military
relationship sponsored by the Clinton-Gore administration,"
stated William Triplett, author of "Year of the Rat."

"The Chinese army is coming here to the U.S. to learn how we
fight. Then the People's Liberation Army goes to Moscow and buys
the best weapons Russia can throw against us," said Triplett.

"Russia is selling China weapons like the SS-N-22 Moskit
missile," said Triplett. "The Moskit has one purpose -- killing
American carriers and Aegis warships. When you start buying
missiles like the SS-N-22 Moskit, it becomes pretty obvious what
you intend to do with them."

According to Navy documentation, Lu and six of his officers paid
a visit Sept. 17 to the U.S.S. Carl Vinson, commanded by Capt.
Bruce W. Clingan. The Navy press office noted that Clingan told
Lu the carrier's onboard computers have the ability to land a
fighter jet automatically. Clingan stated, however, that some
pilots do not like this function.

"Speaking as a pilot, I prefer to control the plane the last 20
seconds myself," he said.

In addition to the tour of the nuclear carrier Vinson, "more than
1,000 Chinese service members [took] advantage of the opportunity
to see the inside" of the guided-missile cruiser U.S.S.
Chancellorsville. The Chinese navy tour of the Chancellorsville
took place during the early September visit to Pearl Harbor.

Documents previously obtained from the Pentagon show that the
U.S. Defense Department has resumed military-to-military
exchanges with the Chinese army, perhaps in violation of
congressional mandates to limit such contact. Documents obtained
from the U.S. Army showed that Chinese military officers were
being briefed on "joint" war fighting skills at Ft. Monroe, Va.
The briefings raised concerns inside Capitol Hill that the
Pentagon was training the Chinese army for war.

The Clinton-Gore administration has previously been accused of
abusing the military-to-military contacts with China. In May
1999, the White House allowed the Chinese army air force to tour
Edwards Air Force base in California.

The Pentagon and White House maintained that the visiting Chinese
were civilians and part of an air-traffic control program.
However, according to the documentation, Chinese air force
officers attended classes given by the U.S. Air Force on "combat
readiness," including a simulated F-16 training mission with
"bombing and strafing."

The recent U.S. Navy statement noted that during the visit to the
United States, "Chinese and U.S. sailors will have the
opportunity to interact and take unclassified tours of each
other's ships. The Chinese will have the opportunity to learn
more about the United States and experience the unique cultures
in Hawaii and the Pacific Northwest."

The statement added: "The U.S.-China relationship is of great
importance to the long-term political, military and economic
interests of our nation. The navies are the two largest in the
Asia-Pacific region. Interaction between them increases mutual
understanding and confidence."

Triplett disagrees with the new U.S. Navy assessment of Chinese
military intentions. According to Triplett, China is forming a
new partnership with Russia against America. Triplett noted that
the updated cover of his popular book on the Clinton-Gore
Chinagate scandal now has a photograph 

[CTRL] HOMOSEXUALS DON'T JUST SEEK TOLERANCE,  BUT ENDORSEMENT

2000-09-22 Thread Justine Blake

-Caveat Lector-

I didn't write this, but it speaks the truth, and there's some good links at
the end:

Gay [Homosexuals]  righters no longer seek just tolerance but endorsement


CONTROVERSIAL radio talk-show host Dr. Laura Schlessinger has launched her
new television show to much furor and fanfare --- but gay [homosexual]
activists and their allies in the fashionable elite are hoping it's a
short-lived debut.


They are aggressively working to force her off the air by pressuring
advertisers to drop her show because of comments she's made about
homosexuals, including calling homosexuality a "biological error" and saying
that gay behavior is "deviant" because it deviates from the heterosexual
norm.


Now, it's true that "Dr. Laura" sometimes makes even her admirers wince at
her tone or choice of words. But admirers she has. Every day millions of
Americans tune in to her top-rated talk show on which she champions
traditional values. I'm often one of them, and I hardly remember Dr. Laura
discussing homosexuality.


But to hear the gay [homosexual] movement and their allies tell it, these
comments, which they themselves keep repeating, are a daily call to arms,
not a rapid response once offered in the crush of a three-hour radio
broadcast.


This is not to minimize Dr. Laura's beliefs on the matter. Like tens of
millions of Americans, including myself, she simply believes that homosexual
behavior is morally wrong. But the activist community is desperate to move
the issue away from her mainstream-though-politically-incorrect views on the
issue and focus only on a few biting comments they can evidence as her
"hate-filled homophobia."


But there is really no way in which Dr. Laura could have discussed her
beliefs on homosexuality that would have caused the activists to behave any
differently. They simply won't tolerate a person of her stature offering a
notion of anything less than a full moral endorsement of gay behavior.


For no longer is the homosexual movement about tolerance, about being
treated fairly, with respect and equality under the law, something all
decent Americans should and do embrace. It is about forcing all of us to
morally affirm the gay lifestyle - even when our own deeply held religious
or moral beliefs teach otherwise.


Consider the most "in-your-face" strategy possible: public, practicing gays
forcing themselves into the ranks of the Boy Scouts of America, a private
service organization that has admirably trained and encouraged young men for
a century, and which doesn't admit open homosexuals.


The Scouts had never made a public display of their moral stance, but the
activists did - they sued. Yet when the Supreme Court recently affirmed the
right of the Scouts as a private organization to decide their own moral
course, that was, well, intolerable. So now when it comes to the Boy Scouts,
according to a recent report in the Christian Science Monitor, "...
Gay-rights groups across the nation are working to paint the 6
million-strong organization as a bastion of bigots undeserving of community
support."


That's tolerance?


The gay [homosexual] movement consistently maintains that not embracing
homosexual behavior is akin to racism. But this is condescending to both
racial minorities and gays. It may well be that sexual orientation is deeply
ingrained - those of us who believe in original sin know that's true of the
sin with which we all struggle - but behavior is not ingrained.


And as a consortium of scholars once wrote in an issue of "First Things" on
the matter as excerpted in the Wall Street Journal: "Any discipline of
denial or restraint has been popularly depicted as unhealthy and
dehumanizing. We insist, however, that it is dehumanizing to define
ourselves by our desires alone."


Nevertheless, the gay-rights [[ homosexual-rights] movement is even intent
on crushing any notion that homosexual behavior can be changed, no matter
how much a gay man or woman wants that change. That's one premise in a book
overtly sympathetic to the homosexual movement, "Just the Facts," backed by
a coalition of educators and gay organizations and recently distributed to
every public school district in the United States.


JWR columnist Mona Charen quotes Kevin Jennings, executive director of the
Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, as saying of the book that
"gays [homosexuals] need to receive support from their schools. They need to
receive affirmation."


Bingo. It's not tolerance the movement seeks any longer. It's full moral
endorsement even at the cost of riding roughshod over deeply held religious
beliefs and freedom of association and expression.


The losers here include not only those who hold traditional moral beliefs
and truly seek a fair and tolerant society, but also those many gays
[homosexuals] who believe in tolerance and so want no part of the activist
homosexual agenda.


I can't find any winners.


JWR contributor Betsy Hart, a frequent commentator on CNN and the Fox 

Re: [CTRL] Scientists I.D. Christ's fingerprint - Nonsense of Achyara S and W...

2000-09-22 Thread William Shannon

-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 9/22/00 1:29:15 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  In a section from Achyara S
 titled "Emails I Have Loved," we have the enlightened Achyara S devotees
 express both theirs and Achyara's disgust of  ". the foaming-at-the-mouth
 Jews ."  

Actually a close reading of that section shows that  many people have
benefitted from her book and are simply thankful that she had the courage to
stand up to people like you and release it knowing damned well that she'd be
attacked.

It's also interesting that this book which you deem unworthy has been in
AMAZON's top 10,000 since it's release, out of 4.7 MILLION titles, and this
with very little advertising...


It's curious that you are so interested in silencing Acharya, you must be
afraid of something! For you to resort to libel and slander there must be a
there there!

For anyone interested in what scares this fellow so much I suggest a trip to h
ttp://www.truthbeknown.com/christcon.htm

Bill.

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[CTRL] Federal Reserve to Bolster Euro

2000-09-22 Thread Amelia




http://www.al.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?a0567_BC_US
-EuroInterventionnewsnewsflash-washington

 Alabama Live NewsFlash.url


[CTRL] Eurointervention to Shore up Euro

2000-09-22 Thread Amelia




http://www.al.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?a0565_BC_Eu
roInterventionnewsnewsflash-international

 Alabama Live NewsFlash.url


[CTRL] One-Stop Government Website has It All

2000-09-22 Thread Amelia




http://www.al.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?a0579_BC_Go
vernmentWebcastnewsnewsflash-washington

 Alabama Live NewsFlash.url


Re: [CTRL] Ted Nugent Speaks out on Gun Rights

2000-09-22 Thread Eagle 1

-Caveat Lector-

Hey Bill,
Atilla the Hun or none...
I kinda like old Ted...  :-)
Music, long hair, guitar, amazon etc.etc...

Ted's not necessarily right or necessarily left...
He's an American, and has the platform to speak what he believes.

Maybe if you quit judging (probably wishing you were Ted or had his talent
and money ), and perhaps if you'd ever listen a moment, you might find,
he has opinions,  albeit,  not agreeing with yours or even mine,  but he
does have the "right" to speak and persuade if he can.

Leave him alone.

eagle 1


- Original Message -
From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Ted Nugent Speaks out on Gun Rights


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 In a message dated 9/22/00 8:23:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Why do you imagine that Ted Nugent is a right-winger?  He's a hippie
and
  hippie type people are as about as left wing as you can be.  

 He's no hippy...he has long hair but that means nothing.
 If you knew anything about him, which it's clear you don't, you'd know
that
 he's to the right of Atilla the Hun.

 Bill.


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Cheney: I'm No Donkey Dick

2000-09-22 Thread Samantha L.

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  I didn't expect this kind of tongue-in-cheek from the Konformist.  In
"About the Konformist" it says:

"Having said that, it must be noted that some of the information in The
Konformist may not be true (unless it was written by Robalini, that is.) Some
of this may be due to well-meaning mistakes. Others may be due to the
unwitting passing of falsehoods from others. Some of it will even be outright
disinformation and/or lies."

  Clearly this article falls into the latter category.  I don't think it does
any good to publish these false quotes with no direct disclaimer whatsoever.

Samantha


In a message dated 9/21/00 6:33:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 When asked how he could prove it, Cheney replied, "Her claims of my
  impressive dick size are absolute bullshit."

  He then added to the stunned press assembled, "The truth is, I have only an
  average-sized penis, and that's even on the rare occasion I can get it up.

 I
  wouldn't even be surprised if that fucking Jew Lieberman has a bigger
 schlong
  than myself."

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[CTRL] NAMBLA Update

2000-09-22 Thread lloyd

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..

From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]
Note:  We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at:
http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html

From: "Alex Constantine" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Lloyd" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: NAMBLA Update
Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 10:25 PM

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_fosterj_news/
2725_xnfoj_pedophile_.shtml
JULY 25
2000




Pedophile lawsuit
goes class-action?
Attorney: 'Thousands of children
being raped by NAMBLA members'



By Julie Foster
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com


Currently facing a wrongful death lawsuit for the brutal rape and murder of
10-year-old Jeffrey Curley, the North American Man-Boy Love Association is
now on the brink of defending itself against a class-action suit for the
raping of children by group members.
A notorious and clandestine group, NAMBLA's leaders and members are
difficult to identify and contact, making collection on any monetary damages
difficult. However, attorney Larry Frisoli told WorldNetDaily he has
"identified a significant financial contributor with assets in excess of
$100 million," who works in the computer industry and is suspected of
financing the highly secretive organization.
If NAMBLA loses the class-action lawsuit, individuals and parents of
children who were involved in sexual relationships with members will be able
to collect damages.
According to Frisoli, NAMBLA has anywhere from 300 to 1,300 members,
depending on which time period is selected for the lawsuit, translating to
thousands of children that would constitute the class in the suit.
The class action originated from Frisoli's representation of Robert and
Barbara Curley, parents of Jeffrey Curley, who was raped and murdered by two
college-age neighbors -- both of which are serving life sentences
As reported in WorldNetDaily, Salvatore Sicari and Charles Jaynes picked up
Curley and took the boy to the Boston Public Library where Jaynes accessed
NAMBLA's website. Later, the men attempted to sexually assault Curley, but
the boy fought back. Attempting to restrain him, Jaynes gagged the
10-year-old with a gasoline-soaked rag, eventually killing him. The men put
Jeffrey's body in a tub with concrete and threw it in a river.
According to Frisoli, Jaynes kept a diary in which he wrote that he turned
to NAMBLA's website in order to gain psychological comfort for what he was
about to do. The killer had been stalking Curley prior to the boy's murder.
Jeffrey's body was found floating in the tub of cement in October 1997, a
few days after the fifth-grader had vanished.
An overt pedophile organization with office addresses in New York and San
Francisco, NAMBLA provides resources to pedophiles seeking information about
sexual relationships between men and boys. Its mission statement says the
group "supports the rights of all people to engage in consensual relations,
and we oppose laws which destroy loving relationships merely on the basis of
the age of the participants."
The Curleys filed a $200 million lawsuit against NAMBLA, seven of its
leaders and an unidentified Internet service provider in May.
The child-molesters' group was dropped by Verio, Inc., which had provided
Internet service for the organization after Curley's death until May of this
year. According to Frisoli, "On or about June 24, 2000, Web Intellects,
Inc., a California-based Internet service provider, began providing Internet
service for NAMBLA."
Two days after receiving a letter from Frisoli, the ISP discontinued service
for the group.
The letter stated: "The purpose of this correspondence is to place Web
Intellects Inc. on notice that you will be a defendant in the anticipated
class action lawsuit on behalf of the thousands of children being raped by
NAMBLA members in North America if you continue to provide the Internet
communication system for NAMBLA and its members."
Frisoli said he already has information from several parents of children
involved with NAMBLA members, and he plans to issue public notices to
identify other victims for the class action.
The lawyer is also in contact with an attorney NAMBLA approached for the
organization's defense, though Frisoli said the defense attorney has not yet
committed to taking the case.
Robert Peters, president of Morality in Media in New York, told the
Washington Times that recent legal victories over the Ku Klux Klan may
bolster the case against NAMBLA.
The Southern Poverty Law Center successfully sued KKK leaders by holding
them responsible for the actions of its members.
"If it can be done against the Klan, it seems to me that ... it should be
possible to win against NAMBLA," Peters told the Times.
Child pornography is not 

[CTRL] NAMBLA update

2000-09-22 Thread Justine Blake

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_fosterj_news/
2725_xnfoj_pedophile_.shtml
JULY 25
2000
Pedophile lawsuit
goes class-action?
Attorney: 'Thousands of children
being raped by NAMBLA members'

By Julie Foster
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

Currently facing a wrongful death lawsuit for the brutal rape and murder of
10-year-old Jeffrey Curley, the North American Man-Boy Love Association is
now on the brink of defending itself against a class-action suit for the
raping of children by group members.
A notorious and clandestine group, NAMBLA's leaders and members are
difficult to identify and contact, making collection on any monetary damages
difficult. However, attorney Larry Frisoli told WorldNetDaily he has
"identified a significant financial contributor with assets in excess of
$100 million," who works in the computer industry and is suspected of
financing the highly secretive organization.
If NAMBLA loses the class-action lawsuit, individuals and parents of
children who were involved in sexual relationships with members will be able
to collect damages.
According to Frisoli, NAMBLA has anywhere from 300 to 1,300 members,
depending on which time period is selected for the lawsuit, translating to
thousands of children that would constitute the class in the suit.
The class action originated from Frisoli's representation of Robert and
Barbara Curley, parents of Jeffrey Curley, who was raped and murdered by two
college-age neighbors -- both of which are serving life sentences
As reported in WorldNetDaily, Salvatore Sicari and Charles Jaynes picked up
Curley and took the boy to the Boston Public Library where Jaynes accessed
NAMBLA's website. Later, the men attempted to sexually assault Curley, but
the boy fought back. Attempting to restrain him, Jaynes gagged the
10-year-old with a gasoline-soaked rag, eventually killing him. The men put
Jeffrey's body in a tub with concrete and threw it in a river.
According to Frisoli, Jaynes kept a diary in which he wrote that he turned
to NAMBLA's website in order to gain psychological comfort for what he was
about to do. The killer had been stalking Curley prior to the boy's murder.
Jeffrey's body was found floating in the tub of cement in October 1997, a
few days after the fifth-grader had vanished.
An overt pedophile organization with office addresses in New York and San
Francisco, NAMBLA provides resources to pedophiles seeking information about
sexual relationships between men and boys. Its mission statement says the
group "supports the rights of all people to engage in consensual relations,
and we oppose laws which destroy loving relationships merely on the basis of
the age of the participants."
The Curleys filed a $200 million lawsuit against NAMBLA, seven of its
leaders and an unidentified Internet service provider in May.
The child-molesters' group was dropped by Verio, Inc., which had provided
Internet service for the organization after Curley's death until May of this
year. According to Frisoli, "On or about June 24, 2000, Web Intellects,
Inc., a California-based Internet service provider, began providing Internet
service for NAMBLA."
Two days after receiving a letter from Frisoli, the ISP discontinued service
for the group.
The letter stated: "The purpose of this correspondence is to place Web
Intellects Inc. on notice that you will be a defendant in the anticipated
class action lawsuit on behalf of the thousands of children being raped by
NAMBLA members in North America if you continue to provide the Internet
communication system for NAMBLA and its members."
Frisoli said he already has information from several parents of children
involved with NAMBLA members, and he plans to issue public notices to
identify other victims for the class action.
The lawyer is also in contact with an attorney NAMBLA approached for the
organization's defense, though Frisoli said the defense attorney has not yet
committed to taking the case.
Robert Peters, president of Morality in Media in New York, told the
Washington Times that recent legal victories over the Ku Klux Klan may
bolster the case against NAMBLA.
The Southern Poverty Law Center successfully sued KKK leaders by holding
them responsible for the actions of its members.
"If it can be done against the Klan, it seems to me that ... it should be
possible to win against NAMBLA," Peters told the Times.
Child pornography is not protected speech under the First Amendment -- a
fact that is sure to help the Curleys' case as well as the class-action
suit.
Previous story:
Kids, sex, the Internet
Related columns:
The darker data
Kinder, gentler pedophiles






Julie Foster is a staff reporter for WorldNetDaily.



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[CTRL] (FW) JOHN HANCOCK PROMOTES LESBIAN 'FAMILY' IN AD

2000-09-22 Thread Justine Blake

-Caveat Lector-


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 America Family Association today criticized a new television commercial
 from John Hancock Financial Services, which shows two lesbians adopting a
 baby and declaring themselves a "family."

 "What John Hancock has done is to promote same-sex couples as the
 equivalent of a husband and wife," said AFA Vice President Tim Wildmon.
 "That is insulting to millions of people who believe in the sanctity of
 marriage and the family. And it is especially outrageous that the company
 ran the ad during the Olympics, when children are watching."

 The commercial shows two women at an airport holding a baby, and one of
 the women whispers to the sleeping baby, "This is your new home." In the
 conversation, the viewer hears that the child's "papers"? evidently
 adoption papers? are in the diaper bag.

 Then one says, "Can you believe this?.We're a family."

 A slightly different version of the ad ran at the end of July. The comment
 about the lesbians being a family was followed by one woman saying,
 "You'll make a great mom," to which the other responds, "So will you."

 The controversy over that version led to a Chicago Tribune story by
 Barbara Brotman. When Brotman contacted John Hancock, she was told that
 the company was deleting the comments about family and motherhood.
 However, the newer version of the commercial only drops the comments about
 motherhood.

 "I have little doubt that, after the Chicago Tribune story ran, the
 company came under tremendous pressure from homosexual activists. John
 Hancock apparently buckled," Wildmon said.

 In its own defense, John Hancock told Brotman, "We absolutely were not
 trying to communicate or promote or endorse one particular lifestyle or
 another."

 Wildmon, however, found that too hard to believe. "That's preposterous.
 Would the ad look any different if the company were promoting lesbian
 families? The truth is, John Hancock took a page out of the homosexual
 playbook and declared two lesbians with a baby to be a family."

 ACTION NEEDED

 Please contact the John Hancock Company and politely ask them to stop the
 promotion of homosexuality to our children through the television
 advertisement. Inform Chairman Brown that this fierce attack on the
 institution of the American family will weigh heavily upon your current
 and future choice of insurance provider.

 John Hancock Co.
 Chrm. Stephen L. Brown
 P.O. Box 111
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 Ph 617-572-6000
 Toll Free 1-800-732-5543
 Fax 617-572-5935
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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Cheney: I'm No Donkey Dick

2000-09-22 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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"Samantha L." wrote:

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   I didn't expect this kind of tongue-in-cheek from the Konformist.  In
 "About the Konformist" it says:

 "Having said that, it must be noted that some of the information in The
 Konformist may not be true (unless it was written by Robalini, that is.) Some
 of this may be due to well-meaning mistakes. Others may be due to the
 unwitting passing of falsehoods from others. Some of it will even be outright
 disinformation and/or lies."

   Clearly this article falls into the latter category.  I don't think it does
 any good to publish these false quotes with no direct disclaimer whatsoever.

 Samantha

It doesn't require a disclaimer, it requires a sense of humor. I didn't think
it was really very funny, but I knew it was a joke.

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  When asked how he could prove it, Cheney replied, "Her claims of my
   impressive dick size are absolute bullshit."
 
   He then added to the stunned press assembled, "The truth is, I have only an
   average-sized penis, and that's even on the rare occasion I can get it up.

  I
   wouldn't even be surprised if that fucking Jew Lieberman has a bigger
  schlong
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[CTRL] Fw: Moves on 1960s Military Tests

2000-09-22 Thread Amelia

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 Moves on 1960s Military Tests

 .c The Associated Press

  By ROBERT BURNS

 WASHINGTON (AP) - The Pentagon has agreed to search its records for the
names of ships and crew members who participated in a series of 1960s
exercises designed to test ships' ability to withstand attack from chemical
and biological weapons.

 The Pentagon notified Rep. Mike Thompson, D-Calif., of the decision last
week, following a request by the Department of Veterans Affairs in August to
provide information that could help the department process claims filed by
veterans who believe they suffered health damage from their participation in
the tests.

 The decision to provide the names and other information was first reported
Wednesday by CBS News.

 The fact that the exercises were held has been known previously, although
originally the work was classified secret.

 The tests were among 113 conducted as part of a project called SHAD, or
Shipboard Hazard and Defense. Some apparently involved the use of chemical
and biological agents, although the Pentagon said the two of interest to the
Department of Veterans Affairs used simulants rather than live chemical or
biological agents.

 In a letter dated Aug. 23, Army Maj. Gen. Joseph M. Cosumano told the
Department of Veterans Affairs that both simulants in exercises ``August
Gold'' in 1963 and ``Copperhead'' in 1965 ``are considered by the medical
community to not pose a health risk to man.'' He also said that all
participants were briefed in advance on the details of each exercise

 The two simulants used were bacillus globigii and zinc cadmimum sulfide,
which is a florescent powder. Bacillus globigii is found worldwide in soils
and on root vegetables such as potatoes and carrots. Los Alamos National
Laboratory said last year when preparing to use bacillus globigii in outdoor
tests of detectors for airborne biological agents that the simulant is
harmless to humans except the extremely ill.

 In a reply letter to Cosumano, Thompson thanked the Pentagon for agreeing
to search classified and unclassified documents for ship names and logs,
crew rosters, test results and medical records that may identify service
members who participated in the tests.

 Thompson said the Pentagon also agreed to provide a list of the chemical,
biological and other agents used in the tests and to consider waiving
secrecy agreements that test participants may have been required to sign.

 ``These steps represent a significant improvement in the way in which our
government can assist those service members who participated in these tests
and who, as a result, may be suffering from medical problems,'' Thompson
wrote.

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[CTRL] Get that dynamite out of your pants! .

2000-09-22 Thread Eagle 1
Title: Network Blitz



http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/CuttingEdge/cuttingedge.html

By Sascha 
SeganSept. 
21 — Get that dynamite out of your 
pants. 
New drug and explosives scanners, so 
sensitive that they can tell if you even touched a dangerous object days ago, 
may soon be coming to airports. The walk-through scanners are faster, more 
accurate and less invasive then any technology currently out 
there.

  
  
 The new 
  scanner in action.RealVideo (download 
  RealPlayer)
 “Little has been 
accomplished for examining people themselves since metal detectors some 30 years 
ago,” said Ken Wood, president of Barringer Technologies of Warren, N.J., which 
built the Sentinel device launched this week. “The Sentinel will non-invasively 
detect and identify microscopic amounts of over 30 explosive or narcotic 
substances,” he said. Barringer’s main competitor, 
Ion Track Instruments of Wilmington, Mass. is building a similar portal, 
spokeswoman Joanne Arsenault said. Still formally unnamed, the company’s calling 
it the “Entryscan 3” for now. The Sentinel will come 
onto the market at the end of this year, Wood said. The company didn’t give a 
price for the machine, but systems for checking baggage for explosives cost 
around $1 million each, according to the FAA. 
Winds of 
Change When you step into a Sentinel, which 
looks like a larger than usual metal detector, a light puff of air ruffles your 
clothes. That air is sucked into vents in the machine, which separates out heavy 
molecules like those that make up drugs and explosives. (The active ingredient 
in marijuana, THC, weighs 87 atomic mass units. Water, a simple molecule, weighs 
10.) The process uses a sample-preconcentration technique developed by Sandia 
National Labs, a Department of Energy installation in Albuquerque, 
N.M. ITI’s Entryscan device relies on body heat, 
which warms up air near a traveler’s body and lifts it to the top of the device. 
The Entryscan collects a smaller amount of air, and doesn’t require the 
Sentinel’s puff, Arsenault said. Their system was developed with the Gas 
Dynamics Lab at Pennsylvania State University. “You 
have heat rising off your body all the time, and it tends to carry particles off 
your body,” FAA spokeswoman Becky Trexler, who’s familiar with both devices 
said. On an infrared camera, “it looks very karmic.” 
Extremely Sensitive 
Systems Both the Sentinel and the Entryscan 3 
then use ion mobility spectrometry, which relies on analyzing the rate of 
movement of a particular molecule, to determine exactly what substances the 
heavy molecules form. If they find something on their list of problem 
substances, an alarm sounds. If the system finds a suspicious substance, a red 
light shines and the substance name appears on a video screen. The process takes 
about seven seconds.  The Sentinel also includes a 
metal detector, so travelers don’t have to pass through two 
checkpoints. The systems are so sensitive, they can 
detect a few parts per trillion of explosives or drugs, microscopic traces which 
cling to clothes and skin even when people think they’re 
clean. “If you emptied a packet of sugar into an 
Olympic-sized swimming pool and then mixed that up, this thing is the equivalent 
of drawing in that much water and detecting one of those particles of sugar,” 
said Sandia spokesman John German. The systems’ 
sensitivity is two-edged — they can find explosives previously thought 
undetectable, but they raise the specter of false positive 
results. Customs spokesman Bill Anthony told a story 
about a machine he once tried out that scanned money for traces of drugs, but 
delivered instead a lesson on how many hands your dollar bills probably pass 
through in a week. “We took some of our 
commissioner’s money — we got it out of a cash machine — it showed traces of 
drugs. I put my money through. And mine all showed up with drugs,” he said. 

From Bags to People The FAA and Customs already use similar 
products from Barringer and ITI to scan baggage. Barringer has a wand which 
security officers wave past a bag, collecting an air sample which gets analyzed 
for dangerous substances. ITI has an analyzer which uses a cloth wiped over a 
bag, and they recently debuted a boarding-pass scanner which checks the passes 
for traces of substances. “We have the technology to 
use on the bags. We’re looking at it for scanning passengers,” Trexler 
said. Customs uses dogs to sniff for drugs, but 
unless they’re Lassie, they can’t tell their handlers what drug they’re 
sniffing. The agency also uses a controversial X-ray system, which has come 
under fire for essentially making naked pictures of 
people. “It also makes them look kind of fat,” 
Anthony said. 
Wait and 
See Both agencies said they’re excited by the 
Sentinel and the Entryscan, though they said the systems would have to go 
through extensive testing before they decided to buy any. 
 “The concept of this device sounds very good,” 

[CTRL] Oil to be Released

2000-09-22 Thread Amelia




http://www.al.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?a0670_BC_Oi
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[CTRL] AP: Reno Says No Basis To Probe Gore

2000-09-22 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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[Did anyone really think Reno would do otherwise? I mean, DUH!]


Friday September 22 11:42 AM ET

Reno Says No Basis To Probe Gore

By MICHAEL J.  SNIFFEN
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON (AP) - Attorney General Janet Reno (news - web sites)
said Friday that Justice Department (news - web sites)
investigators found no basis for investigating Vice President Al
Gore (news - web sites)'s relationship to donations from trial
lawyers interested in a presidential veto.

``There is not'' a preliminary investigation of the matter
underway by the campaign finance task force, Reno told her weekly
news conference, denying a published report that one had begun.

``The issue came up,'' she said.  ``They looked at it and didn't
see a basis for proceeding.''

A senior Justice official, requesting anonymity, said there was
one discussion of the matter recently.

Gore was asked to make calls in 1995 by a Democratic National
Committee (news - web sites) official after a dinner in Texas
with trial lawyers at a time when the Republican-controlled
Congress passed legislation limiting awards in lawsuits.
Clinton later vetoed the legislation.

Sheets describing the calls to be made had been in the task
force's position for several years since it looked into Gore's
telephone solicitations, which Reno concluded in 1998 provided no
basis for naming an independent counsel.

More recently, it was noticed that at least one call sheet made
reference to the veto.  But the senior Justice official said the
sheets reflected efforts to obtain money from contributors who
supported the same position as the administration, which is not
illegal.  The call sheets contained no indication that anyone
said the veto would not be issued unless a contribution was made,
which is illegal, this official said.

In the four years since Gore was asked to make the fund-raising
phone call to Texas trial lawyer Walter Umphrey, the attorney and
his firm, involved in tobacco industry litigation, have
contributed $790,000 to the Democratic Party (news - web sites).

An aide to Gore said the vice president never made the call to
Umphrey.

A call sheet prepared two weeks later for Democratic National
Chairman Donald Fowler Two suggested Democratic officials were
concerned that the Umphrey wouldn't begin writing six-figure
checks until after Clinton vetoed limits the bill.

The call sheet to Fowler suggested language he could use in a
call to the lawyer.

``Sorry you missed the vice president,'' stated the call sheet.

``I know will give $100K whn the president vetos tort reform, but
we really need it now.  Please send ASAP if possible.''



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[CTRL] October Surprise

2000-09-22 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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Isn't the October scenario becoming apparent even now:

(1) Gore comes out for releasing fuel oil reserves in
"crisis" created in his own mind [ALREADY HAPPENED]

(2) Clinton adminstration divides over issue (on surface),
with Hillary clearly in favor of the release

(3) Controversy over the divided administration drives the
issue to the front pages and TV newscast leads

(4) About 3 weeks before election, Gore and Clinton appear
together at a press conference to announce that fuel oil reserves
will be released to save the American consumer from the crisis.
Clinton gives Gore credit for persuading him to take
"compassionate step."


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[CTRL] ABCN: An Unusual Fund-Raiser

2000-09-22 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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ABCNEWS’ Eileen Murphy and Josh Gerstein contributed to this report.

An Unusual Fund-Raiser

In this political season, President Clinton’s appearance at a
fundraising event, even one for his wife, isn’t likely to attract
much attention from the press.

But a fundraiser the president attended in Philadelphia today was
noteworthy in one respect: it took place on federal property.

Generally, politicians avoid soliciting funds in federal
buildings because of the Pendleton Act, a federal law that
restricts fundraising by government officials. In the event at
the City Tavern, President Clinton stressed that his wife needs
so-called hard money donations of $1000 or $2000 from people that
haven’t yet supported her Senate campaign.

“If you can help Hillary with some more of these contributions,
if you know anybody that hasn’t made one, may be willing to make
a modest contribution to her campaign, it could make a big
difference to her,” the president said.  “I’ll be profoundly
grateful.”

A printed handout distributed to reporters by the White House
described the brunch as a “prospecting event” at which guests
would be treated to quiche, turkey turnovers and duck sausage.

“The event is designed to seek out individuals who would be
willing to contribute to New York Senate 2000 at a later date,”
the flyer said.

However, White House spokesman Jake Siewert later confirmed that
the gathering was actually a fundraiser. About 60 people attended
the brunch, giving a total of $50,000 to support Mrs.  Clinton’s
race, he said.  The first lady was not present.

“Its a privately owned establishment and its been the site of
numerous fundraisers,” said Cathie Levine, a spokesperson for the
Clinton campaign.

According to the National Park Service, the City Tavern is a
replica of an 18th-century pub that John Adams once referred to
as “the most genteel tavern.” Today, the tavern offers lunch and
dinner from a kitchen run by restauranteur Walter Staib under a
contract with the Park Service.  The building and land are owned
by the federal government and considered part of the Independence
National Historical Park.  Several park rangers stood guard as
the president arrived for the brunch just before noon Sunday.

Park Service spokesman Phil Sheridan said the legal question had
come up during planning for the brunch, but that government
lawyers determined it wasn’t a problem.

“We actually did talk with our attorneys as to whether all that
was feasible to do,” he said.  Sheridan said they concluded that
because the Park Service has turned over operation of the tavern
to Staib’s company, the Pendleton Act doesn’t apply.  “The key
was it was a concession,” Sheridan said.

The actual language of the Pendleton Act, which has been amended
several times since its enactment in 1883, bars fundraising in
any “building occupied in the discharge of official duties.”

The law received considerable attention after it was revealed
that Vice President Al Gore made fundraising calls from his White
House office. Gore aides defended his actions by saying that the
law was only intended to cover solicitations of government
employees by their bosses.  They also argued that the type of
contributions he was asking for were not covered by federal
election law.

TV cameras and still photographers usually record the president’s
remarks at political fundraisers in restaurants but late last
week the White House announced that coverage of the City Tavern
event would be limited to a couple of newspaper reporters.  An
official said that only 30 people were expected to attend the
brunch and that Press Secretary Joe Lockhart had decided that
camera coverage was not appropriate for an event of that size.

—Josh Gerstein, ABCNEWS


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[CTRL] ABCNews: Clinton to release some of Strategic Petroleum Reserves

2000-09-22 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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[Let's see if I got this right. Clinton/Gore has done all in
their power to make the US more dependent on foreign oil than
ever. No new drilling, no new refineries, no new nuclear power
plants. And, a strategic petroleum reserve just in case of
something like all-out war. So now, when the focus groups (my
guess) say it is really good, does Clinton act? Not in the
logical way. No, he wants to release some of the reserves.,
obviously, to help Gore. Of course, he, with the congress, could
temporarily remove the Federal gasoline and petroleum product
taxes.  Yeah, rieeeght.]


President Clinton has decided to tap some of the Strategic
Petroleum Reserve in an effort to drive down decade-high oil
prices, ABCNEWS has learned.

Energy Secretary Bill Richardson is expected to announce the
decision at a news conference in Washington at this afternoon.

The 571 million barrels of crude oil that make up the emergency
stockpile have become the latest flash point in the presidential
race as Al Gore and George W.  Bush clash over how to lower
heating oil and gas prices.

The Democratic candidate had urged President Clinton to tap the
reserve.  “We’re just around the corner from cold weather,” Gore
told voters at a town hall meeting in Pittsburgh today.  “Home
heating oil prices will go higher unless something is done.”

Gore and Bush Disagree

Gore called for the incremental release of 5 million barrel
“swaps” from the nation’s nearly 600-million-barrel oil reserve.
Those barrels would be put on the market in an effort to
stabilize prices at a lower level.

Bush said the stockpile should only be tapped in a national
emergency and accused the vice president — who opposed using the
reserve last winter — of playing politics with the nation’s
energy policy.  “He has flip-flopped on the issue,” Bush told
reporters in Sarasota, Fla., this afternoon.

The Texas governor described his opponent’s plan as “a short-term
fix for someone whose administration has been asleep at the
switch.”

“With seven weeks left to go, they all of a sudden get religion
and want to tap the reserves to help Al Gore’s political problems
at the polls,” added Bush’s running mate, Dick Cheney.  “This is
not sound policy.”

The first and last time the reserve was used was by the
Republican nominee’s father, President George Bush, during the
1991 Gulf War.

The younger Bush says the Organization of Petroleum Exporting
Countries — several of whose 11 members were participants in that
conflict — should boost crude oil production.  He blames the
White House for failing to convince the cartel to do so.

 Gore’s advisers say they welcome an election-year fight over the
oil issue and believe it will only aid their efforts to frame the
election as a choice between working families and wealthy
corporations.

The vice president has accused American oil companies of price
gouging and collusion and continues to accuse Bush and Cheney —
both of whom headed up oil companies — of carrying water for the
industry.  “It’s time to stand up to the apologists of ‘big
oil,’” Gore said today.  “I reject an agenda that is of ‘big
oil,’ by ‘big oil,’ and for ‘big oil.’”

Gore also continued to hammer Bush’s proposal to open up the
19-million-acre Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska to oil
exploration.  “We do not have to sacrifice our environment … in
order to satisfy the appetite of big oil companies to go into new
areas,” he told reporters this afternoon.


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Re: [CTRL] US Poisoned Iraqi Public Water Supply (fwd)

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"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:

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 In a message dated 09/22/2000 10:08:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 The US-led allied forces deliberately destroyed Iraq's water supply
 during the Gulf War - flagrantly breaking the Geneva Convention and
 causing thousands of civilian deaths.

 Since the war ended in 1991 the allied nations have made sure than any
 attempts to make contaminated water safe have been thwarted.

 A respected American professor now intends to convene expert hearings
 in a bid to pursue criminal indictments under international law
 against those responsible.

 Professor Thomas J Nagy, Professor of Expert Systems at George
 Washington University with a doctoral fellowship in public health,
 told the Sunday Herald: "Those who saw nothing wrong in producing
 [this plan], those who ordered its production and those who knew about
 it and have remained silent for 10 years would seem to be in violation
 of Federal Statute and perhaps have even conspired to commit
 genocide." 

 Well, so much for my old beliefs that all US soldiers and their leaders
 really wore white hats.   No wonder we didn't really go after the Hutu.  We
 have a lot in common with them.  Prudy

Here goes another one Prudy. The French and the US backed the Hutu.

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[CTRL] Fw: [AFIB] Anthropology, Eugenics, Genocide

2000-09-22 Thread Robert F. Tatman

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 CONTENTS:

 1. AFIB: Fascism's "Scientific" Face.
 2. THE CHRONICLES OF HIGHER EDUCATION [US]: Scholars Fear that Alleged
 Misdeeds by Amazon Anthropologists will Taint Entire Discipline.
 3. Details of Genocidal Experiments on the Yanomami People by National
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 FASCISM'S "SCIENTIFIC" FACE
 

 By Tom Burghardt
 Editor, Antifa Info-Bulletin

 Under cover of "national security", gruesome Nazi-like projects were
 carried out by the U.S. National Security State throughout the Cold War
 period and beyond. When revelations emerged several years ago that the U.S.
 Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) sponsored "medical" research that injected
 gravely ill patients with radioactive plutonium with neither their
 knowledge nor their consent, a firestorm gripped Washington and forced the
 Energy Department to release thousands of pages of files documenting the
 hideous trail of suffering and death inflicted by government-funded
 "research." (See Eileen Welsome's 1993 Pulitzer Prize-winning series, "The
 Plutonium Experiment" in The Albuquerque Journal, November 15-17 1993).

 Now a new book slated for release next month by investigative journalist
 Patrick Tierney, "Darkness in El Dorado," New York, W.W. Norton  Co.,
 threatens to rip the mask of respectability from the faces of several
 prominent anthropologists who conducted genocidal experiments on the
 Yanomami people of Venezuela in the late 1960s--with funds provided once
 again by the AEC.

 At the center of the controversy is James V. Neel, a human geneticist based
 at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor; Neel died last February.
 According to Tierney, Neel and his colleagues injected the Yanomami with an
 experimental vaccine for measles--with predictable and disastrous results.
 According to galley proofs of Tierney's forthcoming book provided to
 anthropologists opposed to such "research", Neel and his team knew well in
 advance that the vaccine, which medical researchers maintain must never be
 given to people who lack any natural immunity to the disease such as the
 Yanomami, produced measle-like symptoms that were fatal "to hundreds,
 perhaps thousands" of Amazonian tribespeople. Evidence has surfaced that
 Neel knew such unethical experimentation would produce a mass outbreak of
 the disease but proceeded despite this knowledge in order to "prove" his
 racist theories of eugenics and male dominance.

 There is also evidence that Neel and others, in collaboration with corrupt
 Venezuelan officials and U.S. multinational mining corporations conspired
 to "open-up" Yanomami lands to illegal gold-mining concessions with the
 anthropologists providing necessary "cover" for developers.

 While one wing of the National Security State showered cash for unethical
 "medical research" described by one experimenter as having "a little of the
 Buchenwald touch," the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency virtually invented
 the field of "mass communications research" as a component of U.S.
 "psychological operations" at home and abroad. (See: Christopher Simpson,
 Science of Coercion, New York, Oxford University Press, 1994). According to
 Simpson:

 "Government psychological warfare programs helped shape mass communication
 research into a distinct scholarly field, strongly influencing the choice
 of leaders and determining which of the competing scientific paradigms of
 communication would be funded, elaborated, and encouraged to prosper. The
 state usually did not directly determine what scientists could or could not
 say, but it did significantly influence the selection of who would do the
 'authoritative' talking in the field."

 With Tierney's revelations, we now are beginning to learn that the National
 Security State's "public-private partnership" extended into the field of
 social science and anthropology--with disastrous results for the victims of
 government-funded criminality.

 That "scientists" such as Neel and others described in the 

[CTRL] SANITY

2000-09-22 Thread Alamaine

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From
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Could it be that there are Britlanders who understand the word
"sovereignty"?  Or is it a matter of the Yugos eventually getting
around to getting the EU to 'splain it to 'em?  AER

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Blair accused of treason over Europe
Foreign Affairs News
Source: Electronic Telegraph
Published: 9/21/00 Author: Philip Johnston
Posted on 09/21/2000 15:17:40 PDT by Sandy

PROTESTERS will accuse Tony Blair of treason today to highlight the perceived
threat to British sovereignty posed by the forthcoming European Union summit in
Nice.

A "notice of treason" - naming Mr Blair, Robin Cook, the Foreign Secretary,
Jack Straw, the Home Secretary, and Lord Williams of Mostyn, the Attorney-
General - is to be handed in at courts across the country. Campaigners say that
by the end of the week they will have submitted at least 500 notices laying
information under Section One of the Treason Act 1795 and Section 3 of the
Treason Felony Act 1848.
A group calling itself Sanity - Subjects Against the Nice Treaty - says
ministers are preparing to give up national control over justice and home
affairs matters. While the Government is adamant that decisions over foreign
policy, defence, taxation and borders should remain subject to the veto, they
have been more equivocal over these two areas.
In a recent letter to Christopher Gill, Tory MP for Ludlow, Charles Clarke,
Home Office Minister, said: "The Government has not said it will accept
qualified majority voting for justice and home affairs issues. We have said
that we shall judge each case on its merits. Where QMV is in Britain's
interests, we will accept it. Where not, we will not."

This falls short of the unambiguous pledges given by ministers to retain the
veto in other areas. Euro-sceptics believe that a move to majority voting in
justice and home affairs will result in the adoption of a common legal
framework known as corpus juris and the extension of the powers of the EU
police body, Europol.

In his letter, Mr Clarke said that none of the corpus juris recommendations had
been formally proposed and Britain believed that the legal changes they would
involve were outside the competence of the EU.
But a spokesman for Sanity said: "If justice and home affairs pass into the
EU's control, then the EU's corpus juris project will ultimately be adopted by
majority voting. They will abolish the British right to trial by jury and will
make all British subjects and others in the UK subject to arrest and
incarceration by a European public prosecutor and a so-called "judge of
freedoms" with no public hearing nor obligation on the prosecution to exhibit
any evidence for as long as they choose."

He added: "The EU will also acquire the power to decide to expand the strength
and scope of Europol, equip and train it with paramilitary weapons and send it
where it chooses."

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tasks is to spread the demystification and desanctification of the
State among its hapless subjects.  His task is to demonstrate
repeatedly and in depth that not only the emperor but even the
"democratic" State has no clothes; that all governments subsist
by exploitive rule over the public; and that such rule is the reverse
of objective necessity.  He strives to show that the existence of
taxation and the State necessarily sets up a class division between
the exploiting rulers and the exploited ruled.  He seeks to show that
the task of the court intellectuals who have always supported the State
has ever been to weave mystification in order to induce the public to
accept State rule and that these intellectuals obtain, in return, a
share in the power and pelf extracted by the rulers from their deluded
subjects.
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[CTRL] The Coming UN Gun Ban

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The Coming UN Gun Ban

FrontPageMagazine.com
September 19, 2000


http://www.frontpagemag.com/archives/gun_rights/metaksa09-19-00.htm

HOW MANY AMERICANS living in America read the International Herald Tribune?
My guess is not many and even fewer gun-owning citizens. Yet, on January
26th of this year an article authored by Mark Malloch Brown and Janyantha
Dhanapala was required reading for American gun owners and those who
believe in our national sovereignty. The point of view they expressed will
surely affect Americans' Second Amendment rights in the years to come.

The title of the article was, "Let's Go Out Into the World and Gather Up
Small Arms." The authors are both employees of the United Nations. Mark
Malloch Brown is the administrator of the United Nations Development
Program and Janyantha Dhanapala is the UN undersecretary-general for
disarmament affairs: two influential people prominent in the global gun ban
movement.

The article tells the story of how the UN Department for Disarmament
Affairs visited Gramsh, Albania to "help broker an agreement by which
community services would be delivered in proportion to the volume of arms
and ammunition turned in." In other words until the citizens of Gramsh
turned in their firearms, medical services and other essential services
would be withheld by the great humanitarian organization, the United
Nations.

Brown and Dhanapala call for, among other items, destroying surplus,
confiscated or collected small arms, legislation to monitor, trace, and
police legal arms transfers, and international guidelines for tracing
weapons and ammunition through serial numbers and transit guidelines.

If anyone thinks that Brown and Dhanapala are just whistling in the wind,
they better think again. Next year the UN is convening its first
international conference on the "illicit" trade in small arms and light
weapons - a watershed event. As I mentioned in my last week's article on
FrontPageMagazine.com, ("Global Gun Grab," 9/13/00) the United Nations has
been slowly and steadily working towards this international conference
since 1995.

A very large group of non-governmental organizations (NGO) are supporting
these UN employees and diplomats in their effort to ban guns across the
globe. Most of these organizations have worked in the disarmament movement
for years and learned their political lessons in the successful effort to
get a United Nations treaty that bans land mines. Although the United
States has yet to ratify the land mine treaty, most of the other nations
are signatories.

Most of these NGOs get their funding from organizations, foundations, and
other groups that would be considered politically to the extreme left of
center. They are a cohesive group which has been meeting together regularly
for years and have developed a well-connected and well-funded network,
which tends to meet most often in conjunction with UN workshops on
disarmament and small arms at various venues.

Additionally, there is a US small arms working group (USSAWG), which
includes such anti-firearms notables as Michael Bears of the Coalition to
Stop Gun Violence, Tamar Gabelnick of the left-wing Federation of American
Scientists, and Natalie Goldring or some other designee of the British
American Security Information Council (BASIC). I have copies of notes from
several meetings of the USSAWG detailing the incestuous relationship these
groups have not only with UN personnel, but also with national government
officials across the globe.

The anti-firearms NGO's and other informal groups are supported by
governments such as Canada, Belgium, and Japan. For example, according to
the notes a meeting of the USSAWG was held in Canada "with support from the
Canadian Ministry of Foreign Affairs." A BASIC press briefing held in
Washington featured Joost Hiltermann, an Organization of American States
(OAS) official and the South African Ambassador.

According to meeting notes of a June 1998 meeting of these groups, the UN
Group of Governmental Experts on Small Arms "requested a meeting with a
number of NGOs to discuss the next stage of the process." The meeting was
held at the Quaker United Nations Office and representatives from BASIC,
Federation of American Scientists, and Center for Defense Information
attended. Although the National Rifle Association's Institute for
Legislative Action (NRA/ILA) was an accredited NGO, all requests for a

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WHY I CARRY -
While politicians debate concealed weapons laws, we decided to
ask a few Texans why they are legally carrying guns
By Michael Precker   Dallas Morning News
Published 07-09-2000

More than 200,000 Texans can legally carry a handgun. Under the law that
took effect in 1996, they have undergone training, passed a background
check
and obtained a license from the state allowing them to conceal a weapon on
their bodies almost anywhere they go.

Depending on your point of view, that either makes Texas a trigger-happy
state reverting to dangerous Wild West values, or a place where criminals
had better think twice before victimizing responsible people ready and
able
to defend themselves.

Those conflicting images are frequently invoked in the national debate
over
gun control. And they have become an issue in this year's presidential
campaign, where Gov. George W. Bush is being praised - and criticized -
for
the Texas law that he supported and signed five years ago.

As the political wrangling goes on, we asked area residents who have a
Concealed Handgun License to explain why they carry guns and how the Texas
law has affected their lives.

Many license holders prefer not to be quoted and photographed. Some
distrust
the media to tell their story fairly. Others take the principle of
concealment very seriously.

"The whole idea is not to let the criminal element know who's carrying and
who's not," one man says.

But others were willing to share their stories.

WHO'S CARRYING A GUN?

The Texas Department of Public Safety, which administers the Concealed
Handgun License program, keeps up-to-date statistics on CHL holders in
Texas. Here are some highlights:

* As of June 8, 212,382 people have active licenses. Since 1996 the state
has revoked 1,053 licenses, suspended 373 licenses and denied 3,035
applications.

* There are 20,953 license holders in Dallas County, 16,934 in Tarrant
County, 5,463 in Collin County and 4,730 in Denton County. The ZIP code
75043, which is in Garland, has the most license holders of any ZIP code
in
Texas, with 833. ZIP codes near Houston are second and third, followed by
75150 in Mesquite, with 755, and 75052 in Grand Prairie, with 753.

* Ages of license holders range from the minimum age of 21 (206 people) to
97 (one person). The most common age is 53 (7,014 people).

* Just over four-fifths of all license holders, 171,054, are men. The
41,328
women comprise 19.4 percent of the total.

* More than 91 percent of license holders - 194,581 people - are
classified
as white, a category that also includes Hispanics. Nearly 4.5 percent, or
9,436 people, are black, and 1.3 percent, or 2,833 people, are Asian. The
remainder are classified as multiracial, American Indian, Alaskan native,
other or unknown.

- Michael Precker

"The cops can't be everywhere.'

About the time that Kim and Ray Clawson inherited a gun collection from
her
father, they moved to a new house in a Dallas suburb.

"I really didn't think it would appeal to me," says Ms. Clawson, 42, a
maternity ward nurse at Parkland hospital. "But I figured if we were going
to have them in the house, we needed to know how to safeguard them and how
to use them."

Mr. Clawson, a 45-year-old pilot who flies cargo planes, says there had
been
a couple of murders in the area, "and that got us thinking about our
safety."

"The cops can't be everywhere," he says. "It seemed like a natural thing
to
go out and get concealed handgun permits."

So both Clawsons took classes and received licenses. They enjoy shooting
at
a gun range every few weeks to keep their skills sharp, but don't carry
guns
that often.

"It is nice to know you can have a gun in your car," Mr. Clawson says.
"When
you're someplace you're not familiar with, it's a little comforting to
know
it's there. But if you ever pull it out, you could end up in trouble, and
we
know that."

They're also careful at home, where a gun safe is locked and bolted to the
floor.

"When I come in the house it goes right out of my purse and into the
safe,"
Ms. Clawson says.

Not all of her friends understand. "You talk about your hobbies and
sometimes guns come up," she says. "And they say, "What do you want to be,
Billy the Kid or something?'

"I tell them you really ought to try it sometime. It's really kind of fun.
It's not my only hobby. I garden, I crochet, I bake cookies. But with a
little proficiency [with guns], you feel a little more secure."

"When you're unarmed, that's frightening.'

Dave Zukosky learned to shoot as a kid and always kept a gun at home for
protection. 

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My name is David Keene, and I'm the Chairman of
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My reason for e-mailing to you this urgent appeal for help
is that The American Conservative Union must raise
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These Election 2000 programs include:

  1) Distributing 20,000,000 copies of AL GORE: AMERICA IN
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  2) Distributing 6,000,000 copies of ACU's HILLARY RODHAM
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 ultra-liberal agenda for America we'll never hear from
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  stay home on Election Day. In fact, we aim to make
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  Our main vehicle for achieving this is the distribution of
  

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Cheney: I'm No Donkey Dick

2000-09-22 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 9/22/00 1:53:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

   Clearly this article falls into the latter category.  I don't think it
does
 any good to publish these false quotes with no direct disclaimer whatsoever.



It was satire and it was funny...

Bill.

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[CTRL] AP: E-mails Detail Gore Buddisht (sic) Temple Fund-Raiser Visit

2000-09-22 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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From:

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2922/el/gore_fund_raising_1.html


E-mails Detail Gore Buddisht Visit

By JOHN SOLOMON
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON (AP) - Reconstructed White House e-mails kept from
investigators show Vice President Al Gore (news - web sites) was
urged to bring $20 to a Buddhist temple fund-raiser, and his
staff was told a businessman offered to raise $250,000 to have
coffee with President Clinton (news - web sites).

The messages disclosed Friday are some of more than 100,000
e-mails the White House never properly archived. As a result,
they weren't reviewed to determine whether they should have been
sent under subpoena to investigators of topics ranging from fund
raising to Whitewater and impeachment.

They were reconstructed recently from backup tapes, in part
because of pressure from a federal judge. They're also being
turned over to prosecutors and Congress, who had subpoenaed them.

One message details an apparent offer from Taiwanese-American
businessman George Chang in Virginia to raise $250,000 if the
Democratic National Committee (news - web sites) arranged his
request for a White House coffee and a Clinton interview with a
Taiwanese reporter.


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[CTRL] WT: Gore reverses stance on petroleum

2000-09-22 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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[I guess it's the thought that counts, huh?  ;-)  ]


Gore reverses stance on petroleum

By Andrew Cain
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

http://www.WashTimes.com/national/default-200095913.htm


HOLLYWOOD, Md.  Vice President Al Gore yesterday reversed a
stance he took in February and urged President Clinton to tap the
nation's Strategic Petroleum Reserve to drive down the price of
heating oil and gasoline before winter.

"We cannot just wait around. Families need action now," Mr. Gore
said, standing in front of storage tanks at Burch Oil Co., a
distributor of home heating fuels and motor oils in St. Mary's
County.

"There are steps that we can take right now before winter sets in
to make heating oil affordable and to bring gasoline prices down
at the pump."

Mr. Gore recommended that Mr. Clinton undertake "several"
5-million-barrel releases from the government's petroleum reserve
of 571 million barrels.

"Assuming that is successful, we should continue with these swaps
in an effort to stabilize the price of oil at lower levels and
help consumers," Mr. Gore said.

Texas Gov. George W. Bush said that move would be a grave
mistake.

"That's bad public policy. The strategic reserve should not be
used as an attempt to drive down oil prices right before an
election," Mr. Bush said in Cleveland yesterday after he toured a
manufacturing plant.

Mr. Bush said the strategic reserve is intended as an insurance
policy meant for a sudden disruption in the nation's energy
supply or for war.

"It should not be used for short-term political gain at the cost
of long-term national security," he said.

The White House took a wait-and-see attitude on Mr. Gore's
proposal.

"We have a number of options before us," White House spokesman
Jake Siewert said. "The president has been looking at this for a
while," and "he's taking that [Gore proposal] under
consideration."

But some Cabinet members just like Mr. Gore have strongly opposed
the move in the past.

Treasury Secretary Lawrence H. Summers wrote in a Sept. 13 memo
that it "would be a major and substantial policy mistake" to make
sales from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) to drive down
oil prices.

Mr. Summers backtracked yesterday after someone leaked his memo
to the Wall Street Journal.

"We have always recognized that this would be, and indeed has
been, a rapidly evolving situation and we all need to monitor it
closely," Mr. Summers told the Associated Press.

"There are a number of approaches for the prudent use of SPR that
are now on the table, including those the vice president has
proposed, which could be appropriate in current circumstances."

Gore spokesman Chris Lehane said Mr. Summers wrote the memo in
response to a Department of Energy proposal to release 60 million
barrels of oil from the reserve.

On Wednesday, ABC's "World News Tonight" broadcast footage of Mr.
Gore dismissing the idea of tapping the petroleum reserve Feb. 19
during a town-hall meeting in Springfield, Mass. Mr. Gore said
oil-producing countries could easily negate such a step.

"All they would have to do is to cut back a little bit on the
supply and they'd wipe out any impact from releasing oil from the
reserve," Mr. Gore said at the time.

"Last winter, Al Gore thought tapping the oil reserves was bad
policy, but now with the election just 47 days away, he's
engineering an election-year ploy," Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett
said.

"The situations are vastly different," Mr. Lehane countered.
"People have to buy home heating oil," now, as prices reach a
10-year peak, he said.

"We're on the cusp of a crisis."

In July, the Clinton administration established a home-heating
oil reserve in the Northeast to stock 2 million barrels of oil.

Mr. Gore yesterday called on Congress to authorize a permanent
home heating oil reserve in the Northeast.

Mr. Gore also proposed a temporary tax credit for wholesale
purchases of home heating oil from refiners or heating-oil
importers. Mr. Gore said the tax credit of 5 cents per barrel in
October, declining to 4 cents a barrel in November and 3 cents a
barrel in December would cost $600 million and would increase
home heating-oil stocks by 3.6 million barrels.

Mr. Bush favors stepping up diplomatic pressure on the
Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries to increase oil
production in the short term. In the long term, he favors
reducing America's dependency on foreign oil by expanding
exploration of U.S. oil and gas reserves, including offshore
deposits.

Mr. Bush, intensifying his criticism of the administration's oil
policy, mentions the issue at nearly every event. The Texas
governor promises to increase domestic oil production,
particularly by allowing oil drilling in the Arctic National
Wildlife Reserve, which the Clinton administration has forbidden.

"There are a lot of environmental concerns with exploration," Mr.
Bush said yesterday during an appearance on "Live with Regis," a
morning talk show hosted by Regis Philbin. "But I'm 

[CTRL] PERU TO DISBAN SPY AGENCY

2000-09-22 Thread Amelia




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Re: [CTRL] HOMOSEXUALS DON'T JUST SEEK TOLERANCE,_ BUT ENDORSEMENT

2000-09-22 Thread nessie

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Re: [CTRL] (FW) JOHN HANCOCK PROMOTES LESBIAN 'FAMILY' IN AD

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[CTRL] Update From Save Our Scouts (fwd)

2000-09-22 Thread Yardbird

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:03:10 -0600
From: Sheldon Kinsel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Update From Save Our Scouts



Note: You are receiving this newsletter because you signed the petition on
www.saveourscouts.com.  When you signed we told you that we would be sending
you periodic updates on this issue.   If you prefer not to receive this type
of communication in the future, simply follow the instructions at the bottom
of this e-mail to be removed from the list.


HELP US MAKE NEWS TO HELP OUR SCOUTS

It has been an exciting and hectic couple of weeks!  It is hard to believe
that it has been only three weeks since Save Our Scouts and the online
petition was launched. Already, nearly 25,000 stalwart supporters of
Scouting like you have joined together in signing the petition.  Thank you!


But we are asking you to help us get even more people to sign-at least
30,000 more to bring the total of 55,000.  Why that number?  Because the
group that is circulating the Internet petition to pressure the Scouts to
change the Scout Oath and Law has gotten 55,000 signatures.

And we are asking you to help us reach that 55,000 mark within the next
week.  Accomplishing that would show the Scouts, the media and the nation
that in just thirty days we can generate as much support for the Scouts as
those who are trying to destroy scouting have been able to gather in their
entire existence (several years so far).

So, if you have asked others to sign, please follow up and remind them.  If
you know others who might sign, please invite them to visit
www.saveourscouts.com http://www.saveourscouts.com and do so.
Also, remember that husband and wives each should sign and we welcome Scouts
to sign as well.

We will make it if each one who has signed gets one other person to sign.

Thanks!

SCOUTS WIN BIG IN CONGRESS

Thanks to all of you who responded to the SOS Action Alert last week.  The
Woolsey bill to revoke the Scouts' National Charter was defeated by a vote
of 361 to 12.  Visit the website to see how your Representative voted.
Three congressmen who are on the new SOS advisory board, Chris Cannon of
Utah, Dana Rohrabacher of California and J.D. Hayworth of Arizona, spoke
passionately in defense of the Boy Scouts on the floor of the House as HR
4892 was being debated.  Click here
www.originalsources.com/OS9-00MQC/9-13-2000.1.html to see their complete
statements.


SPEAKING OF CONGRESS

We are pleased to have four Congressmen on our National Advisory Board, Rep.
Chris Cannon, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, Rep. J.D. Hayworth and Rep. Jeff
Session.  They have already been very helpful, including talking about Save
Our Scouts on talks shows, even though they are currently very busy with
their own re-election campaigns.  Which reminds us that the outcome of the
fall elections potentially will have a huge impact on Scouting.  One site,
www.ecccentral.com http://www.ecccentral.com has a unique "family budget"
approach to supporting candidates for Congress who support the Boy Scouts
and the principles the Scouts uphold.  Check it out!

SOS BOARD APPROVES GRANTS

Thanks to the contributions of a number of generous people, SOS will be
making grants to several embattled local Scout Councils and a legal defense
group which is forming.  A grant of $1000 will be made to the local San
Diego council where the American Civil Liberties Union has filed a suit to
stop the Scouts use of city parkland for a Scout camp.
A $1500 grant will go to the Fort Lauderdale, Florida, local council where
the city commission voted to reject the request of $10,000 to help Boy
Scouts of America with a school program for at-risk and disabled children.
Gavin Grooms, SOS National Director, will personally deliver the check and
hopes to rally more support for this program while he is in Florida.
Finally, $1000 will be donated to help start up a high-powered independent
national legal defense fund to help Scout councils across the country.  More
information will be available on this development soon.

VICE PRESIDENT GORE SIGNALS HIS TRUE COLORS

Steven Cozza, who heads  "Scouting for All" states that his goal is to open
the Boy Scouts of America to "gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered youth
and adults. Scouting For All is also advocating that the Boy Scouts of
America end its discrimination against girls and atheists."

After the June 28th Supreme Court decision upholding the First Amendment
rights of the Boy Scouts of America to maintain its nearly century-old moral
standards, those who seek to destroy those standards intensified their
efforts.  Specifically they launched a nationwide campaign to financially
cripple or destroy the Scout program and deny its right to use public
facilities such as schools and parks.

On September 12, 2000, Cozza posted on his website a letter praising his
efforts "in solving problems associated with such issues as gay and lesbian

[CTRL] NEA Threatens Firearms Owners -- How to Fight Back

2000-09-22 Thread lloyd

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From: "Weldon Clark" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: NEA Threatens Firearms Owners -- How to Fight Back
Date: Saturday, July 15, 2000 11:34 PM



Editor's note, by Weldon Clark The National Education
Association is attacking gun ownership.  We present two
ways to fight NEA.  Exercising your rights as a union member
if you are a teacher and vouchers.  The NEA hates and fears
the "voucher" concept.  Some conservatives have criticized
the "voucher" approach to defeating the NEA.  They point out
that federal money means federal control.  From THE
REVIEW OF THE NEWS: "It is a familiar story. In the early
days of federal farm programs, for instance, farmers were
assured that federal subsidies would not necessitate
submission to federal controls. Yet such controls were quickly
instituted.  And, when they were tested in court, unhappy
farmers learned that "it is hardly lack of due process for the
government to regulate that which it subsidizes." (Supreme
Court, Wickard vs. Filburn, 1942)."  I would like to point out
that all governments, state and local, also operate the same
way.  So do businesses.  It is known as the golden rule.  He
who has the gold makes the rules.

The critics fail to point out that the private schools or home
schools can turn down the money and the control.  The
voucher system means that the bad schools will not get the
money.  That kicks NEA in the teeth.  Also it is more difficult
to enforce controls against religious, private and home
schools.  THE AUTHORS OF THESE VOUCHER
INITIATIVES ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMITTED TO
LIBERTY, WHO ARE WELL AWARE OF THESE
POTENTIAL PROBLEMS, AND SO HAVE DESIGNED THE
INITIATIVES TO PROTECT AGAINST GOVERNMENT
MEDDLING.

The current California voucher initiative, for example, amends
the California Constitution to forbid government meddling in
private schools WHETHER OR NOT THEY ACCEPT
VOUCHERS.  It actually gives private schools far more
protection than they have now.

Another key thing besides the money is the right to send your
children to a private, religious or home school.  There is a lot
more than money at stake.  Here in South Carolina (the bible
belt, the most conservative area of the nation) the public
schools have young children, very young boys and girls
together, placing condoms on cucumbers in sex education
classes.  Children should not have this kind of pressure
placed on them.

Editor's Note  The enemy is active.  The so called Million
Moms March is calling people asking for a donation of 100
dollars apiece.


TAKE THE OFFENSIVE, By Russ Howard

How to weaken  destroy the main source of anti-freedom
and anti-self- defense funding, improve public education, and
put an end to government indoctrination centers.

The following is a paraphrased NRA Alert:

"The National Education Association, America's largest
teachers' union, has long been a shrill proponent of
restrictions on our Right to Keep  Bear Arms.

On July 3rd, the NEA launched a drive to petition Congress
for gun owner licensing, registration, "ballistic fingerprinting",
mandatory storage, and waiting periods. No mention of
targeting violent criminals or enforcing existing gun controls.
The attack on law-abiding gun owners, mirroring Gore's
platform, was not met with complete approval at NEA's
convention.  One teacher said, 'Rather than gun control, we
need parental control  responsibility.' Another said, 'metal
detectors are more useful than gun control to protect
schools...(and) it would be better to control TV shows,
video games  movies that promote violence.' NRA will
watch any attempts to use public schools for a political
agenda. To oppose NEA's petition, call 202-833-4000, write
to 1201 16th St., NW, Washington, DC, 20036, or send e-
mail NEA's President at [EMAIL PROTECTED] "

No wonder we're losing.

Bad enough that NRA management's grand Orwellian pre-
emptive surrender strategy Fight Gun Control with Gun
Control bleeds through the alert:
* Full enforcement of all gun controls.
* Metal detectors to enforce the NRA-supported "gun-free"
school zones mandatory school defenselessness law. That'll
stop mass shootings by psychos!  Right!
* What's next? If gun control works so well in schools, why
not "gun-free" homes? NRA management says, "let's start by
caving on mandatory trigger locks  holding parents
criminally liable for child access to firearms."
* And, who knows, maybe even restrict the First Amendment
as well.

But the real indictment of the alert, the really pathetic thing, is
how it urges NRA members to write the NEA to complain.

Would President Reagan have insulted your intelligence by
asking you to get on your knees, write Comrade Breshnev a
letter, 

[CTRL] As above, so below.

2000-09-22 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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For those of you familiar with Sarkar's Law
of Social Cycles, the article below will come
as no surprise.

Nurev

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Thousands Sign Up to Sell Votes
by Mark K. Anderson
3:00 a.m. Sep. 22, 2000 PDT


According to detective novels and TV shows, criminals are those who perform
illegal actions clandestinely. But some real-world scofflaws get more
mileage out of the adage, "If you've got it, flaunt it."

Recently, the Austrian owner of Voteauction.com flaunted it.

Boasting of the more than 6,000 Americans who have signed up to auction off
their presidential votes to the highest bidder -- illegal activity under the
laws of every state in the union -- Voteauction is now detailing its plans
to begin an outreach campaign.

Using its "Voter Empowerment Kits" and "Action Teams," the company claims in
a press release that it can reach more potential customers and facilitate
voter fraud without the intervention of an online middleman.

Such activity leaves Deborah Phillips of the Voting Integrity Project
flummoxed.

Phillips has been observing the ups and downs of the blatantly felonious
site since August, when Wired News first reported on this curious
conglomeration of satire, lawlessness and voracious capitalism.

"Why isn't the Justice Department getting involved?" she said. "Why hasn't
there been any comment from the White House? Why hasn't Congress held any
hearings?"

One federal election official said that the government's apparent hesitation
in taking on Voteauction may be for three reasons: a lack of widespread
knowledge about the site; uncertainty over the worth of launching an
investigation; and uncertainty over jurisdiction.

On the last point, the question over pursuing this peculiar breed of
overseas-instigated voter fraud -- whether such work would fall on the plate
of the Department of Justice, boards of election (either in cities or at the
state level) or state attorneys general offices -- is unclear.

"I suspect that if this began to appear to be a problem on a large enough
scale, though, you'd see action, and it'd come quickly," the election
official said.

According to Hans Bernhard, the Austrian businessman who bought Voteauction
from James Baumgartner, a New York graduate student who developed the site,
American reaction against his investment has already begun.

In addition to the hate emails he receives for running an offshore
enterprise that facilitates American felonies, Berhard reports that the site
has also been the recipient of numerous hacks and electronic attacks.

"We do understand that there is a certain interest on the part of certain
services of the U.S. government who most probably are interested in this
data," Bernhard said of Voteauction's list of vote sellers and buyers. "Our
job is to protect this data. We don't want this data to be public."

According to James Baumgartner, the MFA student who first conceived of the
site as a commentary on wholesale corruption in American politics, a few
facts can be divulged about the $75,000 in bids so far and the 6,000
participants.

Vote-sellers on the whole tend to be in their twenties, male and with at
least some college education -- including a lot of college students, he
said. Vote buyers, on the other hand, tend to be in their forties, affluent
and Republican.

Almost all of the bids for votes -- broken down by state -- have come from
individuals seeking to increase the number of votes for their favorite
candidates. Only three companies, in the "$200,000 (to) million sales
range," Baumgartner said, have yet placed any bids for Voteauction votes.

The profile of both sides of the Internet auction does jibe with the history
of vote-buying in America, said Larry J. Sabato, a University of Virginia
political scientist and author of the 1996 book Dirty Little Secrets: The
Persistence of Corruption in American Politics.

Especially telling is the fact that the payoff-per-vote, as tallied on the
site, is settling into the $10-$20 range -- the amount of cash an individual
vote tends to command in other, non-Internet-based schemes.

"It always seems to be about $20," Sabato said. "That must be the going
rate. And when you think about it, it makes sense. Because 10 bucks is not
what it used to be. With 20 bucks you can get a pretty good meal, if you
know where to go. And I think that's how some people conceive of it. Their
vote may be worth a meal. It's sad, but that may be true."


Sabato and co-author Glenn R. Simpson of The Wall Street Journal write in
Secrets: "Contrary to the belief of some that voter fraud is a thing of the
past existing today only in isolated packets, if at all, the evidence ...
strongly suggests a persistent pattern of criminal fraud that is well
organized and a continuing part of the political culture in some areas.
"The fact that fraud is generally not recognized as a serious problem by
press, public and law enforcement 

[CTRL] Socialism/Communism is VERY LIVE!

2000-09-22 Thread Justine Blake

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http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/ray/edrt080700.htm

And read this too. This will enlighten you about the REAL CAUSE!


THE INTERNATIONAL JEW by HENRY FORD - Chapter 9


BOLSHEVISM AND ZIONISM

Communism works in the United States through precisely the same channels
as it used in Russia and through the same agents -Revolutionary and
Predatory Unionism, as distinct from Business and Uplift Unionism, and
Jewish agitators. When Martens, the so-called Soviet Ambassador, "left" the
United States after being deported, he appointed as the representative of
Communism in the United States one Charles Recht, a Jew, a lawyer by
profession, who maintained an office in New York. This office was the
rendezvous of all the Jewish labor union leaders in the city, many of the
labor leaders throughout the country, and frequently of American government
officials and other political leaders known to be the henchmen of Jewish
aspirations in the United States and sympathizers with predatory
radicalism. The organization has since spread from coast to coast, from
north to south. The situation of Communist headquarters in New York was,
and is, important because from that center lines of authority and action
radiate to all the other cities of the Union. New York is the laboratory in
which the emissaries of revolution learn their lesson, and their knowledge
is daily increased by the counsel and experience of travelling delegates
straight out of Russia.

American citizens do not realize that all the public disturbances, the
labor differences, strikes and political confusions of which they read are
not mere sudden outbreaks, but the deliberately planned movements of
leaders who know exactly what they are doing.

Mobs are methodical; there is always an intelligent core which gets done
under the appearance of excitement what has been planned beforehand. Up
through the French Revolution, up through the German Revolution, up through
the Russian Revolution, and the world disorders since, came the previously
chosen men, and to this day the groups thus raised to power have not
lessened their power -and they are Jewish groups. Russia is not more Jewish
controlled than France; Germany tried in vain to loosen the grip of Judah
from her throat. So it is in America.

The first step of the Jewish organizations supporting Communism in the
United States was the control and expansion of the Hebrew labor movement
among the millions of immigrants during 50 years; with the view to eventual
Jewish control of all labor unions. The Jews have captured American trade
union movements as completely as if they had stormed them with the bayonet.

There is a mass of moving literature (mostly written by Jews) pretending
to describe the glowing hearts with which these alien throngs of
liberty-loving-democrats, workers' comrades, look upon America, their
intense longing for the "American way of life," their love of the people
and American institutions. The actions of these people and the utterances
of their leaders all too clearly give the lie to this fair picture which
gullible American Gentiles would fain believe.

The resistance offered to the "American way of life," consisting in the
limitations put on the Americanization program, has been sufficient to
convince alert observers that, so far as the Jewish invasion is concerned,
it is not their desire to go the way America is going, but to influence
America to go the way they are going. They talk a great deal of what they
bring to America but nothing at all of what they found there. America is
presented to them as a big piece of putty to be moulded as they desire.
"The Melting Pot," a term which the Jewish writer Zangwill gave currency,
is not a dignified name for the Republic, and it is more and more
challenged as descriptive of the process that goes on. There are some
substances in the pot that will not melt; but more significant still, there
are rapidly increasing influences who want to melt the pot!

The two divisions of Jewish wealth and political power are-first, German
Jewish, represented by the Schiffs, the Speyers, the Warburgs, the Kahns,
the Lewisohns and the Guggenheims. These play the game with the aid of the
financial resources of the nonJews. the other division is composed of the
Russian and Polish Jews who monopolize the lower ranks of trade and
industry. Between them their grip and influence is absolute. They may
sometimes have internecine quarrels regarding the division of the spoils,
and eager publicists may zealously call attention to these quarrels as
evidence of the utter lack of unity among the Jews, but in the Kehillah and
elsewhere they understand each other quite well, and on the question of Jew
vs. "goy" they are indivisibly one.

There is a distinction between what this Jewish coalition would do and
what it could do, but its 

[CTRL] Waco FLIR - reply

2000-09-22 Thread Ian Goddard

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  Hello CTRL list members,

  I recently ran into the following response to an
  email I wrote back in June after I discovered that
  the flash sequence on the 1993 Waco FLIR that has
  been said to be a machinegun shooting people trying
  to escape from the rear is actually reflections on
  a highly-reflective surface that flaps in the wind
  and periodically reflects the sun (flashes) during
  the time that the wall panel the reflective surface
  is attached to rests on the ground. Since then
  I also discovered that the claim on Waco: A New
  Revelation that the DoJ report says 15 bodies were
  found shot to death near the rear exit is also false,
  instead the DoJ report lists 0 bodies near the rear exit,
  hence that alleged bit of corroborating evidence is just
  as unreal as the alleged gunmen shooting at the rear exit.

  Here's my reply to a reply to a report I wrote last June:

==
Richard Fleetwood wrote:

   That flash series is emphasized by
   Dr. Edward Allard in both "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" and "Waco: A
   New Revelation."
  .   I've come to the sobering conclusion, after analysis of (1) a
 newly-
   acquired 1993 Waco FLIR video, (2) gunshots seen in the Somalia FLIR
   shown on "Waco: A New Revelation" and (3) the Vector Data Report, that
   ALL of the flashes in question on the 1993 Waco FLIR can be shown to be
   or to most-probably be solar reflections, contradicting both my
   previously stated position and the conclusions of infrared experts that
   the gunshot theory has rested on.

What an arse.

I spent 4 and one-half years in the mid 80's, working in a defense
electronics firm (not to be named) BUILDING and TESTING FLIR systems, for
use on several different types of military aircraft.

What does it take to get this complete idiot, and the world full of media
morons and government wonks to understand that FLIR images show
HEATNOT light reflections.  Also, don't forget THIS.  If FLIR systems
in actual use, such as for heat seeking weapons that are hunting down
enemy hardware, were to spot something oh, lets say the
SUN.reflecting off a pond, lake, or the ocean, while heading towards
the an INTENDED targetthen why haven't there been an inordinate amount
of  lakes, streams, and small fishing villages reported blown up by
accidentdue to MIS-guided missiles?

The core of most FLIR systems, at least during my time working on them,
were COMMON MOD systems, based an a Galium Arsenide  receiver system.
Plenty of research available on THAT.

ITS HEAT HEAT HEAT.not LIGHTnot REFLECTIONSnot GHOSTS...and
not WONKY WISHES.

Anybody wanna spell it out better for the rest of us?



   IAN: To say flashes seen on FLIR are "solar
   reflections" is not to say they're reflections
   of visible sunlight. The sun emits electromagnetic
   radiation in all wavelengths, not just the visible
   band. The sun emits much more energy in the 8-12
   micron infrared range than the earth emits. The
   Waco FLIR was sensitive to 8-12 micron energy.

   Allard claims that the infrared energy radiating
   from the earth exceeds the IR energy striking the
   earth from the sun, and therefore the background
   temperature of ground behind a glass shard would
   be warmer than a solar reflection on the glass,
   and thus the reflection would NOT produce a flash
   on FLIR measuring an increase in 8-12 mic IR energy.

   What makes his argument persuasive is that it's true
   but only when we're looking at solar energy striking
   the earth spread over the earth's surface. However,
   when looking down a specular solar reflection on a
   highly reflective (low emissive) surface, we're NOT
   looking at the earth as Allard's analysis does, we're
   looking at the hot surface of the sun, and the FLIR
   reads a temperature close to the surface of the sun,
   manifesting on any FLIR as a flash, which is exactly
   what both the VDS FLIR test and a follow-up FLIR test
   conducted by Davidian's legal team confirmed -- solar
   reflections DO produce a flash on a 8-12 micron FLIR.

   The logical and empirical falsification of Allard's
   no-solar-reflection claim results in the collapse of
   the primary argument supporting the claim that the
   flashes are gunshots. When we also consider that the
   durations of Waco FLIR flashes last many times longer
   than real gunshot flashes last, and the fact that
   nothing like people are ever seen near the flashes,
   and that debris that's apparently reflective is in
   each flash location, the FLIR-gunshot case rapidly
   evaporates into nothing but pure misinformation.


GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm

Asking the "wrong questions," challenging the Official Story

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Re: [CTRL] Public Citizen Supports Release of Oil from Strategic Reserve

2000-09-22 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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Nurev Ind Research wrote:

 September 21, 2000

 Public Citizen Supports Release of Oil from
   Strategic Reserve

 Statement of Wenonah Hauter

 Director, Public Citizen’s Critical Mass Energy and Environment Program

 It’s about time that the Clinton administration stands up to Big Oil and
 attempts to stop the manipulation and profiteering by oil interests. Release
 of
 oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, as suggested by Vice President Gore
 today, will help stabilize roller-coaster prices that hurt families and
 threaten our
 economy.

This is all wrong and this woman is an idiot. The release of some of the strategic
reserves is a political stunt. It has little or no effect on the price of oil.

Opec and the world's Big oil hustlers got the wink from our esteemed
Administration to raise prices so that countries with petroleum based economies
could pay off Western Banks' loans. I suspect they want their money before Euro
and the Global economy tanks.

This is a huge wealth transfer scheme moving money from your pocket thru the
oil industry to Wall Street.

This move by Gore is to appear compassionate. With YOUR OWN MONEY. He's not
removing taxes from the price of oil because that comes out of Gov pockets.
He's not putting a ceiling on oil and gas profits because he's a Big Oil
corporate whore. So this way, you dear taxpayer get to pay for your own
negligible relief. And he gets a big public fuzzy.


 However, it is disgraceful that almost 30 years after the oil crisis of the
 early
 1970s consumers are still suffering from our addiction to oil. Oil interests
 have
 used their enormous political power to stop public policies that advance the
 use of energy efficient appliances in our homes and increase the average fuel
 economy of our cars. Gore must live up to his word and show leadership by
 increasing fuel efficiency, putting resources into expanding alternative
 energy
 sources and ending corporate oil subsidies.

WHO is going to do this??? Mr. Oxy?


 It is reprehensible that this industry, with sky-rocketing profits, is allowed
 to
 continue gouging consumers. Lehman Brothers reported recently that profits
 from the four largest oil companies are expected to more than double to a
 combined $50 billion this year alone! Just in May, Public Citizen found that
 Texaco increased its net income by an astounding 473%, in the first quarter of
 2000. With such incredible profits, these companies can afford to live without
 corporate welfare and lower the gas prices.

 Gore’s proposal will help in the short-term, but he will have to stand up to
 corporate interests in the long term, if he is elected president.

This woman has as much political savvy as my fish.

Joshua2

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[CTRL] Tweedledumb

2000-09-22 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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THE SCINTILLATING WIT AND DEEP WISDOM OF GOV GEORGE W:

When I was coming up, it was a dangerous world and you knew exactly
who they were. It was us versus them and it was clear who them was.
Today we are not so sure who the they are, but we know they're there.
  Texas Gov.
George W. Bush, presidential candidate
-
The Kosevarians.
refering to Kosevars
-
The Grecians.
refering to Greeks
-
My view is that state law reigns supreme when it comes to the
Indians, whether it be gambling or any other issue.
-
We must all hear the universal call to like your neighbor just like
you like to be liked yourself.
-
What I'm against is quotas. I'm against hard quotas, quotas that
basically delineate based upon whatever. However they delineate,
quotas, I think, vulcanize society.
   (meaning "balkanize;" Austin
American-Statesman 3/23/99)
-
Some people have too much freedom.
-
I've got a record that's conservative and compassionated.
-
Please! Don't kill me!  mocking Karla Faye Tucker
prior to her execution,
  when asked "What
would you say to Governor Bush?";
   to
Larry King, Talk magazine, September 1999
-
The Senator has got to understand: he cannot take the high horse and
then claim the low road.

-
There is madmen on the earth and there are terror.
-
Is your children learning?
on education
-
Food on the family.
   citing one of the
priorities of his future administration
-
This is Preservation month. I appreciate preservation. This is what
you do when you run for president. You've got to preserve.
   to several hundred children at
an elementary school in Nashua
   celebrating
Perseverance (not Preservation) Month
-
Sitting down and reading a 500-page book on public policy or
philosophy or something.
George W. Bush when asked to name something
   he isn't
good at (Talk magazine, September 1999)
-
Tell them I have learned from mistakes I may or may not have made.
-
Just make sure you put in there, 'He was real tired, too.'

on the press reporting his verbal miscues


--

-- CUT OUT THE MIDDLEMEN --
JUST VOTE FOR A CORPORATION


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Re: [CTRL] HOMOSEXUALS DON'T JUST SEEK TOLERANCE,_ BUT ENDORSEMENT

2000-09-22 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Well Nessie - finally Hitler's Final Solution is going into effect and
we have fascism in disguise.

The Homosexuals are the Final Solution -  see Hollywood and South Africa
dying from AIDS.

Well those who believe in the Christian way of life, truly believe,
willl protect their own and keep them away from this sick element in our
society.

For they are the Final Solution - massive genocide from AIDS.for
documentation, refer to South Africa where now truck drivers are blamed
for brining the disease home to their wives.

What is happening today in Europe without a battle is what Hitler tried
to do with a war...unite Europe.

Fascism is here - but in America, well watch the UN try to sidestep the
Constitution?   And watch those Australians and Canadians and Europeans
when they get started...

A handful of people attempting to destroy the world?   Massive genocide
like South Africa in particular dying from Aidslike Angola and see
ow the waters being poisoned.

Movie stars buying up entire cities?  Christian and Moslems put on FBI
Hit List by ADL and Morris Dees who molested his own child according to
divorce records on web  - plus engaged in homosexual activities?

Assuming of course the information was correct which I did not bother to
check out for this Southern Poverty Law Center is worth over 70 million
dollars now - and that day in Oklahoma who was it that told the FBI and
BATF and a Judge to stay home, while the innocents were murdered?

So the Final Solution?   Gay Pride is the Final Solution and South
Africa is example - Clinton selling HIV blood not only to Canada - this
blood it is alleged was sold in USA..

So Christians are taught to avoid sodomists and to protect their
children from these sodomists who would pollute he blood of our
children...Defend your children and protect them from these sick
twisted perverts - and let them start their own little Boy
Scouts.maybe Barney Franks will stop hiring male prostitutes then
and be a scout leader.

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[CTRL] JW: Notra Trulock Files Two New Complaints

2000-09-22 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 22, 2000
Contact: Richard Tomkins
(202) 646-5172

NOTRA TRULOCK FILES TWO NEW COMPLAINTS

Nuclear Whistleblower Persecuted for Candor Over FBI and Justice
Department Incompetence and Coverup

(Washington, D.C.) In the last few days, renowned former Energy
Department Counter-Intelligence Director Notra Trulock filed two
new lawsuits to protect his rights to speak freely about the
gross negligence and coverup by the Clinton-Gore Administration
over the historic breach of national security at the Los Alamos
Nuclear Laboratory. Previously, when officials at the FBI
illegally broke into his home and seized his computer, Mr.
Trulock and his landlord, Linda Conrad, filed a civil rights
lawsuit against FBI Director Louis Freeh, and others who were
responsible. Earlier this week, Mr. Trulock again filed suit,
this time against the FBI, CIA, Energy Department, State
Department and White House over their failure to produce
documents requested under the Privacy and Freedom of Information
Acts.

Mr. Trulock has also filed a defamation lawsuit against Wen Ho
Lee - the individual who was not racially profiled by Mr.
Trulock, but who still cannot account for about 20 backup tapes
of sensitive nuclear information which he removed from Los Alamos
Nuclear Laboratory. Today, Mr. Trulock will enlarge the
defamation suit to include Charles B. Washington and Secretary of
Energy Bill Richardson, alleging that these individuals have
defamed him by claiming that the investigation of Wen Ho Lee was
the result of racism. Evidence exists that Mr. Trulock
recommended that 12 individuals be investigated for possible
breach of national security at the Los Alamos Nuclear Lab. Six
were Caucasian and six were Asian-American. This fact has not
been reported widely by the media.

"Mr. Trulock will not stand by as his good name is dragged
through the mud as a scapegoat for the incompetence and coverup
of the Clinton-Gore Administration and their friends. To the
extent that Wen Ho Lee was mistreated, it was not by Notra
Trulock, and now that Mr. Lee has received a light plea
agreement, it is all too convenient for the Clinton-Gore
Administration to now claim that there has been no breach of
national security at the Los Alamos Nuclear Laboratory, but that
Mr. Lee's prosecution was all the result of a racist witch-hunt.
This clever strategy seeks to let the Clinton-Gore Administration
'off the hook' over the tragic loss of nuclear information
jeopardizing our national security," stated Judicial Watch
Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman.

"President Clinton is a clever politician and wants to play it
both ways. On the one-hand, he tells Attorney General Reno to
prosecute Wen Ho Lee to deflect criticism that he has been
'bought and sold' by the Communist Chinese, and when his
prosecution collapses, he cleverly claims that he is a friend of
Asian-Americans and criticizes his own Attorney General for
carrying out his wishes. In so doing, the Democratic Party is now
able to claim that Chinagate was just a figment of the nation's
imagination," stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.


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[CTRL] Drudge: BREAKING -- Gore Mole in GWB's camp; FBI moving in...

2000-09-22 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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Per FR reports, Drudge and Sean Hannity are talking this
afternoon about a Jackie Judd scoop on a Gore mole in the Bush
camp - with documentation!  FBI closing incheck ABC web site
or ABC news at 630 pm EDT.

#

WORLD EXCLUSIVE: GORE MOLE SUSPECTED TO HAVE INFILTRATED BUSH
CAMPAIGN; FBI MOVES IN; DEBATE PREP TAPE EXPOSED BREACH


MOLE: Gore campaign is alleged to have had a role in obtaining
and using confidential information from the Bush campaign...

MORE...

According to a witness, "everybody" knew about it. The FBI has
moved in; lawyers are involved...

ABC NEWS ace reporter Jackie Judd is in Nashville and is said to
have obtained evidence of the breach...

The WASHINGTON POST's Sue Schmidt has filed an early internal
report that is sketchy on details, according to a newsroom
source...

Filed by Matt Drudge...

Developing...

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Re: [CTRL] JW: Notra Trulock Files Two New Complaints

2000-09-22 Thread Aleisha Saba

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One other item Michael Spitzerremember the fire at Los Alamos - and
how this fire was deliberately set...the man setting same freely
admitted yes, I set this fire.

Was the plan to burn down Los Alamos completely - like the assassins
burned down Waco.all these missing tapes, and some found under a
Xerox machine..no wonder the feds wanted to make China a most
favored nation?

What we really need is an investigation re Clinton and the HIV blood he
sold..before it is all over I would not be surprised if Clinton and
Albright and Cohen and Reno were not charged as war criminals - for
Waco, it is still difficult for me to believe that these men were
Americansbut rather were the UN soldiers getting a little target
practice - killing dogs and babies?

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[CTRL] LATimes: Thomas: Clintons far from exonerated

2000-09-22 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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Clintons far from exonerated

By CAL THOMAS
Los Angeles Times Syndicate


http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/editorial/676038


The key phrase in Independent Counsel Robert Ray's conclusion
about the myriad accusations of wrongdoing by Bill and Hillary
Clinton -- from their years in Arkansas to their years in
Washington -- is that "the evidence was insufficient to prove to
a jury that they had committed any crime."

This is far from exoneration. This is a tribute (depending on the
meaning one wishes to give the word) to perhaps the most
successful, widespread cover-up in our history. It worked because
-- unlike the Watergate cover-up, which fell apart once the
conspirators got cold feet and started copping pleas -- not a
single Clinton co-conspirator ratted. Unbelievably, Susan
McDougal and Webster Hubbell were willing to go to jail for the
Clintons, though they received little in return for their
misplaced loyalty. Richard Nixon's mistake was that he had some
people on his staff who either had a conscience buried beneath
their lawbreaking exteriors or were pragmatic enough to throw the
president to the legal wolves in hopes of saving their own skin.
Clinton made sure he hired people who shared his amorality or
destroyed the few who threatened to expose him as a crook and a
sexual harasser.

Ray noted a number of factors that might have prevented his
office from winning a conviction against the Clintons, including
the jury pool in Washington, D.C., which would have been composed
largely of government workers and minorities, many of whom might
be considered predisposed to think well of the Clintons,
regardless of facts presented against the couple. It would have
been the political version of the O.J. Simpson trial. Not many
believe the "real killer" of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman
has yet to be identified. Honest Democrats with whom I've spoken
don't believe the Clintons are virginal when it comes to
lawbreaking.

A New York Times editorial properly faulted the Clintons for
dragging out the investigation and escalating its cost to the
taxpayers: "From the day that questions were first raised about
(the Clintons') relationship to Madison Guaranty, an Arkansas
savings and loan that went bust at a cost of more than $70
million to the American taxpayers, they and their political
confederates in the White House and the executive branch went to
puzzling lengths to hobble legitimate investigations. Instead of
candidly laying out the facts of the matter, the Clinton
apparatus instead stonewalled the investigators and defamed the
Clintons' critics. All this gave rise to suspicions that the
Clintons had something to hide and prolonged the investigation."

The Times is an unindicted co-conspirator in this because it
twice endorsed Clinton-Gore when it could have backed President
George Bush and Bob Dole, two men with higher principles and
integrity. And what's this about "puzzling lengths"? What's
puzzling about someone whose moral compass points to his groin
and whose oath of office should have been taken on Hustler
magazine, not the Bible?

The Wall Street Journal, which has performed a public service by
making seven years of stories, editorials and columns on this
administration's wrongdoing available in several bound volumes,
properly characterized the plot of this sordid immorality play:
"shady statements, slick lawyering, witness intimidation and
rhetorical assaults on public servants." The key players, said
the editorial, "either kept quiet or were completely discredited
by a brutal White House attack machine."

One of many reasons change is needed in Washington is so that all
of the evidence shut up inside the "in-Justice Department" that
has managed to escape the shredder and the burn bag might see the
light of day. Does anyone seriously believe that if Al Gore is
elected president, the public will ever learn the whole truth
about this administration's political rape of our government? If
the courts are unable to serve justice in this case, the court of
public opinion should. But it cannot fully do so unless the
cover-up is uncovered and the stonewall is torn down. That will
take a new president and a new attorney general not beholden to
Bill Clinton, Al Gore and the Democratic Party.


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[CTRL] How it's done: Chossudovsky on G-17

2000-09-22 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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1. Who Are the G-17?
2. Russia deeply concerned with NATO's threat of sending ground troops to
  Montenegro

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Who Are the G-17?

By Michel Chossudovsky, Professor of Economics, University of , Ottawa,
author Globalization of Poverty, Third World of "The Network, Penang, Zed
Books, London, 1997. and Jared Israel , editor, www.tenc.net (Emperor's
Clothes)

" We want to be open colony and open society." G-17 coordinator VESELIN
VUKOTIC interviewed on "The News Hour with Jim Lehrer", US Public
Television, July 14, 1999

Recently there's been a lot of interest in the economists in the Yugoslav
group G-17. They wrote the Program adopted by the so- called "democratic"
opposition and its Presidential candidate, Vojislav Kostunica.

The G-17 likes to give the impression it is independent and
Yugoslav-oriented. In fact it is funded mainly through the Washington-based
"Center for International Private Enterprise" (CIPE). CIPE describes itself
as "an affiliate of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. " But in fact it is "a
core institute" of the National Endowment for Democracy. The National
Endowment for Democracy has nothing to do, as far as we can discern, with
Democracy. Rather, the Endowment was created in 1983 to solve a problem of
Empire.
People knew that the CIA bribed intellectuals and leaders and set up phony
front groups to carry out US policy:

"When these covert activities surfaced (as they inevitably did), the
fallout was devastating." ('Washington Post', Sept. 22, 1991)

So Congress created the National Endowment for Democracy. Allen Weinstein,
who planned the Endowment, said:

"A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA."
('Washington Post', Sept. 21, 1991)

So the National Endowment (a sort of spinoff from the CIA) controls and
pays for the Center for International Private Enterprise which in turn
funds the G-17. In addition, the leading G-17 economists hold important
positions in the World Bank and International Monetary Fund, and have for
many years.

If the "democratic" opposition got in power, the G-17 economists would be
in charge of the Yugoslav economy. This is not a matter of speculation. The
"democratic" opposition program calls for working with the International
Monetary Fund and the Fund does not work on a casual basis. It invariably
insists that its men (who conveniently happen to be the G-17 economists)
run the show. That is not open for negotiation.

Let us take a look at three of the leading G-17 economists. Their record is
most disturbing.

One of the writers of this article, Prof. Chossudovsky, studies the effects
of the economic "medicine" imposed by the International Monetary Fund and
World Bank. The G-17 program contains the same economic measures they
forced on Russia, the Ukraine, Bulgaria and Peru, among many others. The
results: social and economic devastation. But because of the long-term
US/German attack on Yugoslavia, the results in the Yugoslav case would be
much worse.

G-17 economists are fond of phrases like "free markets" and
"privatization," but their International Monetary Fund "reforms" wreck
countries. First, they force governments to do away with any social
protections - subsidized food or rent, free transportation, free medical
care. Out the window. Second, they use economic manipulation and new laws
to force businesses - public and private - into bankruptcy. Then these
businesses are taken over by a small clique of thieves, international
banks, rich speculators and foreign companies. They purchase the businesses
at rock bottom prices. This is called "Privatization through Liquidation."

A case in point is Yugoslavia, 1989.

The elder statesman of the G-17 is Professor Veselin Vukotic. Presently he
is one of the brains behind Montenegrin secessionism. But in 1989 he was
Minister of Privatization under Yugoslav Premier Ante Markovic.

Yugoslavs have bitter memories of 1989-1990. But do they "put a human face"
on the nightmare? Perhaps people think the economic disaster that befell
Yugoslavia that year was the natural result of "market mechanisms" or the
fault of "incompetent government." It wasn't. There was somebody pulling
the strings.

That somebody was Veselin Vukotic.

In 1989-90, Professor Vukotic worked out of governmental 

[CTRL] Sept. 24 column -- deaths in Merced

2000-09-22 Thread BB

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FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED SEPT. 24, 2000
THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz
Shouldn't we repeal the gun laws ... if it'll save a single child?


Jessica Lynne Carpenter is 14 years old. She knows how to shoot; her
father taught her. And there were adequate firearms to deal with the crisis
that arose in the Carpenter home in Merced, Calif. -- a San Joaquin Valley
farming community 130 miles southeast of San Francisco -- when 27-year-old
Jonathon David Bruce came calling on Wednesday morning, Aug. 23.

  There was just one problem. Under the new "safe storage" laws being
enacted in California and elsewhere, parents can be held criminally liable
unless they lock up their guns when their children are home alone ... so
that's just what law-abiding parents John and Tephanie Carpenter had done.

  Some of Jessica's siblings -- Anna, 13; Vanessa, 11; Ashley, 9; and John
William, 7 -- were still in their bedrooms when Bruce broke into the
farmhouse shortly after 9 a.m.

  Bruce, who was armed with a pitchfork -- but to whom police remain unable
to attribute any motive -- had apparently cut the phone lines. So when he
forced his way into the house and began stabbing the younger children in
their beds, Jessica's attempts to dial 9-1-1 didn't do much good. Next, the
sensible girl ran for where the family guns were stored. But they were
locked up tight.

   "When the 14-year-old girl ran to a nearby house to escape the
pitchfork-wielding man attacking her siblings," writes Kimi Yoshino of the
Fresno Bee, "she didn't ask her neighbor to call 9-1-1. She begged him to
grab his rifle and 'take care of this guy.' "

  He didn't. Jessica ended up on the phone.

  By the time Merced County sheriff's deputies arrived at the home,
7-year-old John William and 9-year-old Ashley Danielle were dead. Ashley
had apparently hung onto her assailant's leg long enough for her older
sisters to escape. Thirteen-year-old Anna was wounded but survived.

  Once the deputies arrived, Bruce rushed them with his bloody pitchfork.
So they shot him dead. They shot him more than a dozen times. With their
guns.

  Get it?

  The following Friday, the children's great-uncle, the Rev. John Hilton,
told reporters: "If only (Jessica) had a gun available to her, she could
have stopped the whole thing. If she had been properly armed, she could
have stopped him in his tracks." Maybe John William and Ashley would still
be alive, Jessica's uncle said.

  "Unfortunately, 17 states now have these so-called safe storage laws,"
replies Yale Law School Senior Research Scholar Dr. John Lott -- author of
the book "More Guns, Less Crime." "The problem is, you see no decrease in
either juvenile accidental gun deaths or suicides when such laws are
enacted, but you do see an increase in crime rates."

  Such laws are based on the notion that young children often "find daddy's
gun" and accidentally shoot each other. But in fact only five American
children under the age of 10 died of accidents involving handguns in 1997,
Lott reports. "People get the impression that kids under 10 are killing
each other. In fact this is very rare: three to four per year."

  The typical shooter in an accidental child gun death is a male in his
late teens or 20s, who, statistically, is probably a drug addict or an
alcoholic and has already been charged with multiple crimes, Lott reports.
"These are the data that correlate. Are these the kind of people who are
going to obey one more law?"

  So why doesn't the national press report what happens when a victim
disarmament ("gun control") law costs the lives of innocent children in a
place like Merced?

  "In the school shooting in Pearl, Miss.," Dr. Lott replies, "the
assistant principal had formerly carried a gun to school. When the 1995
("Gun-Free School Zones") law passed, he took to locking his gun in his car
and parking it at least a quarter-mile away from the school, in order to
obey the law. When that shooting incident started he ran to his car,
unlocked it, got his gun, ran back, disarmed the shooter and held him on
the ground for five minutes until the police arrived.

  "There were more than 700 newspaper stories catalogued on that incident.
Only 19 mentioned the assistant principal in any way, and only nine
mentioned that he had a gun."

  The press covers only the bad side of gun use, and only the potential
benefits of victim disarmament laws -- never their costs. "Basically all
the current federal proposals fall into this category -- trigger 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Cheney: I'm No Donkey Dick

2000-09-22 Thread Samantha L.

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  I'll drop it after this post - it's not a big deal.  I'm accustomed to
getting solid info from the Konformist, often written in a satirical tone.
There are other sources that are just goofy - that's their purpose.

  Anyway, I didn't think it was funny.  Cheney is a dangerous man.  This
flavor of satire has the effect of making light of that in him.  Also I'm
old-fashioned about direct quotes.  I can't imagine taking a risk by writing
direct attributable quotes with no disclaimer except some obscure paragraph
three clicks removed from the original article.  I knew it wasn't true, I was
just startled.

Samantha

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 Clearly this article falls into the latter category.  I don't think it
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whatsoever.

  


  It was satire and it was funny...

  Bill.

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