[CTRL] WND: Panhandle Bushies want second shot
-Caveat Lector- [I had a good chuckle out of this GOP spin... --MS] Panhandle Bushies want second shot Pensacola officials say early, wrong call by networks affected turnout By Paul Sperry WorldNetDaily.com WASHINGTON -- Officials in the Pensacola, Fla., elections office say they've been flooded with calls from irate voters who claim they were discouraged from voting for George W. Bush Tuesday when the New York-based TV networks called Florida for Al Gore before polls closed in the state's western panhandle, which is in an earlier time zone. Also, a Republican state lawmaker from Pensacola is rounding up voters who apparently "walked away" from poll lines when they heard the premature news, which turned out to be wrong. Some voters have told the lawmaker they are willing to sue for another chance to cast their vote for Bush, WorldNetDaily has learned. Meanwhile, the chairman of the Republican Party in Escambia County, Fla., has asked his precinct leaders to identify potential Bush voters who reportedly left poll lines because of the erroneous network announcement. Pensacola, home to a Navy base and the Blue Angels, is the county seat. Hosts of two talk-radio shows broadcast on local WEBY and WCOA planned Thursday night to help round up discouraged Bush voters by exhorting them to call into their conservative programs. Escambia County Republican Party chairman Tom Gilliam says he's investigating whether the early network call dampened Republican turnout there. "There could have been people in line around 7 p.m. central time waiting to vote when the call went out by the networks that it was over in Florida," Gilliam told WorldNetDaily. "They may possibly have gone home because of the incorrect call made by the networks." Some local Republican voters were so confused by the announcement that they thought election officials had "closed the polls early," said Brenda O'Gwynn, an aide to the Escambia County elections supervisor in Pensacola. Her nonpartisan public office handles balloting for the county. "They thought the media discouraged them from casting their ballots," she said, adding that she's been flooded with angry calls. "We have nine lines coming into our main number and then six other lines that other people answer," O'Gwynn said. "They are getting complaints about that as well." "It's been crazy," said a phone operator in the elections office. At 7:49 p.m. Eastern time, MSNBC led the network pack in declaring Gore the winner in Florida. ABC, CBS, Fox and Atlanta-based CNN quickly followed. News first reached voters in Florida's panhandle at 6:49 central time -- with 11 minutes left before polls closed. The news could also have affected those waiting in line after 7 p.m, Gilliam says. Most of the Florida peninsula is in the Eastern time zone. But 10 counties, including Escambia, are in the central time zone. They are located west of the Apalachicola River in the state's panhandle. See county breakout in Florida map. Escambia County, which voted about 2-to-1 in favor of Bush, has 69,724 registered Republicans, O'Gwynn says. She's says it won't be known for another week or so how many of them did not vote. Bush leads Gore by 1,784 votes in the overall Florida tally. The state, which is now in the process of recounting all votes, will decide the outcome of the national election for president, since its 25 electoral votes will put either candidate over the 270 total they need to win. While discontent grows among voters in the GOP-heavy Florida panhandle, the networks have focused on the more vocal elderly voters in the Democratic stronghold of Palm Beach County. They insist they were cheated out of voting for Gore by a confusing ballot. The Gore campaign has seized on their complaints, threatening to sue the state to prevent it from certifying any winning tally for Bush until voters in Palm Beach can recast their votes. Gore has sent a team of nearly 50 lawyers to Florida. Though there are no signs the Bush campaign is cultivating Republican voters around Pensacola as possible litigants, voters there are willing to sue, says Suzie West, a legislative aide for state Rep. Jerry Maygarden, R-Pensacola. "Some have called and said, 'If there's going to be lawsuits, then we want to be named, because this is ridiculous,' " West said. "We've got people calling left and right who are so upset." She says some suggest suing the TV networks for voter fraud, which they hope might force the state to give any discouraged Bush voters in Florida's central time zone another chance to vote. West says an unidentified voter who stood in line at a Pensacola polling place around 7 p.m. Tuesday left a phone message claiming he witnessed people "walking away" from the same line after they heard the network announcements. "People walked," West said. Gilliam says he's suspicious of not only the timing of the networks' early call for Gore but also their belated retraction -- which came two
[CTRL] WND: Fraudulent absentee ballots cast in Florida
-Caveat Lector- Fraudulent absentee ballots cast in Florida State attorney's office investigating forged documents found By Julie Foster WorldNetDaily.com Two absentee ballots requested but never received by a Pensacola voter in Miami were discovered by election officials with fraudulent signatures, prompting an investigation by state attorneys. Todd Vinson, a 28-year-old law clerk registered to vote in Pensacola, requested an absentee ballot from the Escambia County Elections Supervisor on Oct. 10 to be sent to his residence in Miami. When he did not receive the ballot after two weeks, he requested another on Oct. 24, according to a Pensacola News Journal report. That ballot also never reached its proper destination. Vinson contacted his father, U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson, the Thursday before the election, telling him about the mysterious, no-show ballots. The judge immediately contacted Escambia County Elections Supervisor Bonnie Jones, informing her of the situation. After reviewing absentee ballots returned to elections officials, Jones' office found a ballot with Todd Vinson's name on it. The signature on the ballot, however, did not match the signature on his voter registration card. Additionally, the address listed on the ballot for the witness was not valid. All absentee voters must fill out their ballots in the presence of a witness, who writes in his or her address and signs the form. "It was clearly forged,'' Vinson told the News Journal. "Somebody definitely got hold of it and sent it back in. The question is where did they get it, and my speculation was that it happened somewhere in the post office. It made it down here to Miami, but it never made it to me.'' To make sure Vinson's vote was counted, Jones overnighted him a third ballot in time for him to vote for Texas Gov. George W. Bush. The elections supervisor subsequently contacted the state attorney's office, U.S. Attorney Mike Patterson and the Florida Division of Elections. Then, one day after the cliffhanger vote took place, Escambia County elections officials found what may be the second ballot intended for Vinson. It, too, had been forged and was handed over to state prosecutors. Assistant Elections Supervisor Brenda Renfro told WorldNetDaily neither of the forged ballots will be opened by elections officials, so it is impossible to know who the illegal votes were intended to support. She added that a judge reviewing the case could decide to open them, but the elections office, as a rule, does not open fraudulent ballots. So far, Renfro noted, no other fraudulent ballots have been discovered in Escamdia County -- located in the conservative-leaning panhandle of Florida. The state attorney's office is leading an investigation into whether the forged ballot is part of a broader scheme to redirect mailed ballots to someone who filled them out and forged the voters' signatures. Jones is in contact with state attorneys regarding the investigation, but was instructed by counsel not to give any interviews on the subject. Rather, she is to refer all media inquiries to Assistant State Attorney Russ Edgar. "I agree there may well be more than just this one,'' Edgar told the News Journal. "That's what I'm thinking right now.'' Edgar is heading the investigation. A key issue in Vinson's case is how the ballots were redirected. Vinson suggests the U.S. Postal Service was involved. Should investigators suspect as much, federal law enforcement may be asked to take over the probe. One station manager in the U.S. Postal Service, who wishes to remain anonymous, told WND that postal workers received an intranet memo Wednesday morning from the postmaster general stating that absentee ballots were to be separated from other first-class mail to ensure they received "special handling." Upon asking for clarification from his supervisor, the source was told not to question the memo as it came from "the top." The postal worker explained his belief that setting the ballots aside may lead to a hold-up of absentee ballots, which could result in the ballots not being counted if they are not received before state deadlines. Officials at the Postal Service admit they treat election mail differently than other items and maintain that treatment expedites, rather than hinders, mail delivery. "We give all election mail, especially as it gets close to the day, special handling," said Dan De Miglio, California spokesman for the Postal Service. De Miglio denies the intranet memo was sent, noting that as California's communications director, he also would have received it. "I would know if a memo like that was sent out yesterday," he remarked, noting that he never saw the memo purportedly sent by the postmaster general. "I would have been used to move the message." He suggested the employee, who has access to the agency's intranet as a supervisor, could have received a bogus notice. "It's a fraud," the spokesman said. De
[CTRL] (Fwd) Tainted Election
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- From www.wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : North America : US Elections From impeachment to a tainted election: The conspiracy against democratic rights continues By the Editorial Board 10 November 2000 Back to screen version The brazen attempt of the Bush campaign to declare victory in the presidential campaign-in the face of mounting evidence of massive ballot irregularities in the state of Florida-exposes its utter contempt for the democratic rights of the American people. In 1998-99 the Republican Party, controlled by the extreme right, sought to overturn the result of two presidential elections through the impeachment and trial of Bill Clinton. Now it is attempting to hijack the 2000 presidential elections through crudely antidemocratic methods, using their control of the state government in Florida headed by the brother of the Republican presidential candidate. The issue goes beyond the fact that Gore won the popular vote but still, under the US Constitution's archaic and undemocratic Electoral College procedure, could be denied election to the presidency. In fact, Bush is presently trailing in both the popular vote and the Electoral College. His chances for eventual Electoral College victory-by a margin of only 271-267-depend entirely on the outcome of the tainted Florida vote. There is clear and convincing evidence that thousands of pro-Gore voters in critical Florida precincts were disenfranchised. Approximately 19,000 votes were invalidated in Palm Beach County because a defective ballot paper led people to punch two lines rather than one for president; several thousand votes in that county were wrongly cast for ultra-rightist Patrick Buchanan, because of the same improper ballot; computer malfunctions caused a sudden drop in Gore's vote total in Volusia County; there was exclusion and intimidation of black voters at polling places in the Miami metro area and in the state's rural Panhandle. Already, only two days after the election, revulsion against the ballot rigging has produced public protests. Hundreds of college students from Florida AM, mainly black, held a demonstration and sit-in at the state capitol in Tallahassee. Hundreds of elderly Jewish voters rallied in Palm Beach County to denounce the Election Day travesty there. Many expressed outrage that their votes were being counted for the anti-Semitic Buchanan, and they demanded an opportunity to re-vote. So obviously compromised was the result in Palm Beach that a local judge ordered a full vote-by-vote hand recount in the county, rather than the cursory recanvass of computers and voting machines that the state government ordered for all 67 Florida counties. Even this superficial retallying had slashed Bush's lead to only 225 votes out of six million cast, before it was halted at the direction of Florida's Republican Secretary of State on Thursday evening. The evident irregularities, combined with the growing public protests, compelled the Gore campaign to reverse its cautious stance of Wednesday and announce that a full- scale legal challenge of the Florida vote would be made. Former Secretary of State Warren Christopher, named by Gore to represent his interests in the Florida recount, described the Palm Beach ballot as illegal. Gore campaign chairman William Daley, who the day before had refused to claim victory in the state, told a press conference Thursday that Gore was the winner of the popular vote in Florida as well as in the country as a whole. If the will of the people is to prevail, Al Gore should be awarded a victory in Florida and be our next president,'' Daley said, adding that the disenfranchisement of thousands of Floridians represented an injustice unparalleled in our history. The initial response of the Bush campaign and the Republican Party was to brazen out the disputed election rather than to try to prove their case. Bush aides scheduled a victory rally in Austin for Thursday evening, after the Florida recount results were to be released. They announced that the Texas governor was beginning to assemble a transition team and plan his first appointments as president-elect. Campaign officials Don Evans, Karl Rove and Karen Hughes dismissed the reports of voting irregularities in Palm Beach County in a manner that demonstrated contempt for democratic rights. By late Thursday, as Bush's margin dwindled to near zero in the state-run recount, a partial retreat was sounded. The victory rally was cancelled. Former Secretary of State James Baker, Bush's designated representative in the Florida recount, said that the outcome of the election would not be known until November 17, the deadline for overseas absentee ballots to be received in Tallahassee. The presidential election is ... on hold, he admitted. An issue of democratic rights The Socialist Equality Party did not support the campaign of Al Gore. We have unbridgeable political differences
[CTRL] WT: Judge's injunction puts Fla. outcome on hold
-Caveat Lector- Judge's Injunction Would Put Fla. Outcome on Hold By Christina Pino-Marina washingtonpost.com Staff Writer Thursday , November 9, 2000 WEST PALM BEACH, Florida -- The outcome of the nationýs disputed presidential election was put on hold late Thursday by a Circuit Court judge in West Palm Beach who granted a temporary preliminary injunction in favor of two women who allege they voted incorrectly because of confusing ballots. Judge Kathleen Kroll, a judge in the 15th Judicial Circuit in Palm Beach County, granted the injunction around 9 p.m. on a motion filed by lawyers representing Beverly Rogers and Ray Kaplan, two women from Boca Raton. Krollýs injunction prevents state and county officials from certifying as final the result of the presidential election. The judgeýs decision was based upon violations of Florida state laws concerning the format of election ballots, the injunction said, and it said the ballot was confusing and ýprinted in such a way that Plaintiffs were deprived of their right to freely express their will.ý ýThis is not just about one county,ý said lawyer David H. Krathen, who represents Kaplan. ýIt is about a national election for the president of the United States.ý Hundreds of people protested in the streets of West Palm Beach Thursday because some area voters said they might have mistakenly cast votes for Reform Party Candidate Patrick J. Buchanan instead of Democratic candidate Vice President Al Gore, who was just a few hundred votes behind Texas Gov. George W. Bush after statewide vote recount efforts. A Florida elections canvassing commission in charge of recounting votes cast in the county on Nov. 7 expected the crucial count to be completed by next Tuesday and some ballots would be recounted by hand. In Thursday's legal proceedings, Kaplan teamed up with lawyer Gary M. Farmer, Jr., who represented Rogers, his 55-year-old mother-in-law. The two women were not present in the courthouse. ýWe filed an emergency motion because we wanted a ruling today, before the commissions certified any of the elections,ý said Farmer. ýI believe they (the clients) have a well-founded fear that they did vote for the wrong person.ý Others had filed class action lawsuits in the circuit court on Wednesday and Thursday demanding a county-wide re-vote, but Krathen and Farmer said they do not know details of those lawsuits. The defendants in the injunction included the Elections Canvassing Commission of the State of Florida; Florida Governor Jeb Bush, the brother of George W. Bush; Secretary of State Katherine Harris; Clay Roberts, Director of the Division of Elections for the State of Florida; Theresa LaPore, Supervisor of Elections for Palm Beach County; the Palm Beach County Elections Canvassing Commission; Al Gore; and George W. Bush. Krathen said the motion for a preliminary injunction was faxed to all the parties involved. Thursdayýs injunction calls for an additional hearing next Tuesday at 1 p.m. The ballots used in Palm Beach County appear to have violated at least two state statutes, Farmer said. State law requires that ballots display candidatesý names on the left hand side with spaces for selection marks appearing adjacent to the right of the candidateýs name. The ballots in question featured blank spaces adjacent to both the Democratic and Reform party candidates for president and vice president. Though arrows pointed to the correct spaces for each candidate, some voters said the ballot seemed misaligned. The namesý order of appearance should also be based on the number of votes each partyýs candidate received in the previous gubernatorial election, Farmer said. The names on the Nov. 7 ballots were out of order, Farmer said, because Buchanan was listed second behind Bush on the ballot even though the Reform party received less votes than the Democratic party in the last gubernatorial election. "Our clients intended to vote for Al Gore," said Farmer, who had paced the tiled floors of the courthouse for six hours before the injunction came. "They are upset about that. There sense of being upset has been magnified by the closeness of this election and the fact that the entire country is waiting for the results from Florida." = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups
[CTRL] TT: Judges have power to overturn elections
-Caveat Lector- Nov 8, 2000 - 11:03 PM Judges have power to overturn elections WILLIAM MARCH The Tampa Tribune TAMPA - Under a 1998 court ruling, Florida judges have broad authority to invalidate elections or order new elections in cases in which fraud, or even unintentional error, results in flawed outcome. ``The criteria are very broad, almost completely undefined, and they grant state judges a great deal of discretion,'' said Steve Gey, a constitutional law expert at the Florida State University College of Law. Gey said if irregularities are found in Tuesday's vote for president, proving they affected the outcome wouldn't be hard, because the race is so close. The court decision stems from a challenge to the outcome of the 1996 sheriff's race in Volusia County. The state Supreme Court, deciding the case in 1998, didn't overturn the race, but set standards under which judges could do so, Gey said. The standards say the judge can overturn an election if there was fraud or irregularities that ``adversely affect the sanctity of the ballot and the integrity of the election.'' Because the election was so close, and could so easily be affected by any proven irregularity, Gey said, ``that last criteria is almost a giveaway.'' Unintentional errors as well as fraud can qualify, Gey said. If the election were found to be invalid, Gey said, the likely remedy would be a new election. It could be held just in the county where the irregularities occurred, or statewide, depending on the circumstances. In 1998, a judge overturned a Miami mayoral election because of massive fraud, including absentee- vote fraud, and invalidated Xavier Suarez's runoff win. His opponent, Joe Carollo, became mayor instead. But to many Florida political veterans, Tuesday's voting was reminiscent of the 1988 U.S. Senate race between Buddy MacKay and U.S. Sen. Connie Mack. Tuesday night ``was like deja vu all over again,'' Mack said. MacKay was initially proclaimed the winner, but the outcome was changed by the absentee ballots - far fewer than the more than 500,000 in Tuesday's voting. And as in Tuesday's race, there were cries that faulty layout of the ballot affected the race. Thousands of voters in 1988 apparently failed to vote in the race because they missed the ballot line in an obscure position at the bottom of a page. But complaints in that case didn't change the outcome of the race. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: history of government according to Lysander Spooner]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: history of government according to Lysander Spooner Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:09:01 -0600 (CST) From: Sanjoy Mahajan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; The recent choice between Gore and Bush illustrates what the American libertarian Lysander Spooner wrote in 1882 (_Natural Law_, section II) about the origins of government: These tyrants, living solely on plunder, and on the labor of their slaves, and applying all their energies to the seizure of still more plunder, and the enslavement of still other defenceless persons; increasing, too, their numbers, perfecting their organizations, and multiplying their weapons of war, they extend their conquests until, in order to hold what they have already got, it becomes necessary for them to act systematically, and cooperate with each other in holding their slaves in subjection. But all this they can do only by establishing what they call a government, and making what they call laws. All the great governments of the world---those now existing, as well as those that have passed away---have been of this character. They have been mere bands of robbers, who have associated for purposes of plunder, conquest, and the enslavement of their fellow men. And their laws, as they have called them, have been only such agreements as they have found it necessary to enter into, in order to maintain their organizations, and act together in plundering and enslaving others, and in securing to each his agreed share of the spoils. All these laws have had no more real obligation than have the agreements which brigands, bandits, and pirates find it necessary to enter into with each other, for the more successful accomplishment of their crimes, and the more peaceable division of their spoils. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Divers items WACO and Ramsey murder
-Caveat Lector- --- Johannes Schmidt III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- I haven't noticed anything about these on the list: Lately those have been slow topics. Do an archive search and you should find enough to keep you occupied for quite a while. __ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Interesting site
-Caveat Lector- Everything you want to know about dead politicians: http://politicalgraveyard.com/index.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Wife of Anti Christ
-Caveat Lector- From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] So here is biography of Queen Noor - wife of King Hussein, of Jordan...a very very political propagandist said the Messiah was born on February 5, 1962 - right star formation, but then this phone prophetess in her next book (which she sent copy to me for I would not buy the garbage) then this woman Jean Dixon said Oh No, it was the Anti Christ born thatt date. Now the only person of signifance to this piece of propaganda was the son of King Hussein..for he was born that date. And how does Queen Noor suddenly become King Hussein's son's wife? June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bush tied with gore...
-Caveat Lector- .IS BUSH SICK? you wrote: you wrote: ...IS BUSH SICK ? The method by which transiting heliocentric angles of planetary separation are compared to an individual's natal helio angles of planetary separation indicates that presidential candidate Bush won't be feeling very well come election eve, November 2000. This is certain to be true whether he wins the election or not. Conventional geocentric symbolic techniques may provide a clearer impression of the nature of the affliction(s). No-one is spared these periodic cosmic sieges so it shouldn't be taken personally. There are 36 angles. When 14 or more natal helio angles are matched SIMULTANEOUSLY AND EXACTLY by the helio trans angles it is as though the birth trauma is re-enacted. Adults are incapable of surviving such a shock (see Clinton at the moment of his formal impeachment and Jayne Mansfield at the time of her decapitation). Astrology computer programs in general fail to list the heliocentric planetary angles of separation. It is certainly very likely that governments have this method highly developed. The only defense is to provide false birthdata. The vested interests of commercial astrology prefer to use the method secretly. My wife, Marion, died of cervical cancer 24 November 1999 at the Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center. She had 17 simultaneously and exactly matching helio angles at that time..B.R.Wahl, Clarks Landing, Groton, Vermont, 4 September 2000. - - Get free email from CMP at http://www.cmpnetmail.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Supreme Court as Scare Tactic; Response to Steinem (Nade...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/06/2000 7:04:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The idea that Republicans will nominate justices that threaten women's reproductive choices has been repeated uncritically so often that voters start to believe it. But it's an argument that wilts under scrutiny. Well the Republicans nominated the man who is now our Chief Justice! Now let's review his decision, Innocence is no bar to carrying out a conviction. Just what we need--more folks with a real respect for justice. You remember "justice" don't you? It's not something our Supreme Court ever thinks about much. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: VOTESCAM!!!
-- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ FONT COLOR="#99"eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! /FONTA HREF="http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/2/_/1406/_/973859556/"BClick Here!/B/A -_- Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com From Disinfo.com Votegate 2000 Recently in the Ivory Coast and Peru, when there were dubious returns in elections, the American press covered the stories with a smug detachment. After all, what could you expect from ignorant Third Worlders in Africa and Latin America? Maybe it's time we looked in the mirror. Al Gore is not a person I have much sympathy for, and his cronies seem clueless when they whine unconvincingly that Ralph Nader may have cost him the election. That Gore alienated so many voters says everything about Gore and what the Democratic Party stands for, and their attempt to scapegoat Nader and his supporters is a charge that won't stick. Still, what is happening now in Florida appears as crooked as a swamp- land real estate deal in the Sunshine State. To begin with, the neo- fascist anti-Semite Pat Buchanan won 3,407 votes in Palm Beach, a liberal, Jewish county: he won only 786 in Broward County and 561 in Miami-Dade, two nearby counties that were much larger. 19,000 other votes were also disqualified due to double-punching, a mistake only made by 3,783 voters in the U.S. Senate race. With less than 1,800 votes separating Bush and Gore in the state, these are major voting issues. The cause of these two suspicious facts was the design for the Palm Beach County ballot, a design ironically approved by a Democrat, County Elections Supervisor Theresa LePore. GOP hacks have tried to use her approval as proof that this is a non-issue, but their denial is bogus: confusion in voting isn't a political issue, it's a violation of the basic right to have a say in the government which represents you. The facts clearly show thousands of people who were trying to vote for Gore were confused and may have voted for Buchanan (or both) instead. Though it likely was not intentional subterfuge, a fuck-up is a fuck-up, and this is a mistake that has national effects. And I don't even have the space to discuss missing ballot boxes, voters turned away from polls due to lack of ballots, and the harassment of African-American voters by Florida Highway Patrol pigs. I'm sure that James Shelby Downard is chuckling in his grave, knowing that a central figure in the Votegate 2000 scandal, Clay Roberts (director of the Florida Department of Elections), has a name which echoes both Clay Shaw (the only man ever formally charged with involvement in the JFK conspiracy) and Bruce Roberts (the writer of the Gemstone Files, an underground conspiracy classic which alleges a Mafia combine secretly runs our country). Despite all this, I don't believe this is an example of the Collier description in Votescam. Votescam is too much of a bunch of powerful guys in a smoke-filled room deciding what the agenda of a country will be. This appears more like a crooked fiefdom trying to control its piece of the pie, only in this case, this is the slice that matters. Which is why I don't think it's going to stand. Jeb Bush knows that what passes for democracy in Florida is now becoming a national issue, and he also knows it's neither helping his brother or his state avoid a black eye. Further, while Florida is a GOP state under Bush, the Federal courts (where presidential election lawsuits will be filed) are pure Klinton Kounty, as the Elian affair showed. Clay Roberts may claim that Everything is under control, but nobody's going to buy that. Keep in mind one thing: anything that makes people stop drinking beer and watching television and start asking questions freaks THE MAN out. Nebraska Senator Bob Kerrey has provided a Solomon-like solution to the dilemma: have a run-off between Gore and Bush in Florida to decide all the suspicions around the voting. You don't need to build a temple in Jerusalem to know that's the least objectionable solution to the problem. Of course, this is not what the Republican Party wants done, as a run-off would eliminate the Nader factor and would likely have huge voter turnout, which works against them. Stay tuned. Robert Sterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.konformist.com www.disinfo.com * Florida Petition Model Thu, 9 Nov 2000 Alex Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert, In an email earlier today, I mentioned a model petition for targeting Florida media. Here it is: http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?ItemId=9237 Regards, Alex -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- |d|i|s|i|n|f|o|r|m|a|t|i|o|n| http://www.disinfo.com/ Alex Burns - Editor -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- * http://www.feedmag.com/templates/daily.php3?a_id=1389 Fla. official convicted of
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: KN4M 11-10-2000
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[CTRL] Fwd: [A-M] The Sheriff''s Sale
AUDREY'S MISSILES A weekly newsletter dedicated to the peaceful reform of the United States government. THE SHERIFF'S SALE Once in a while the little guy wins one. In January of this year I had asked EARTHLINK to return the $119.70 which they had illegally removed from my bank account after I discontinued their service, but they ignored my registered letter. In March I won a judgement against them. With the court fees the debt was $211.70 at that point. I then consulted the small claims legal adviser on means of collection and found that there are a number of ways to go about collecting a judgement in California. The easiest way would have been to snatch it from their bank account! The problem there was to find that bank account. My bank could have told me but they would not. I was advised that I could write EARTHLINK a small check, wait until it came back, and then use the information on the cancelled check to locate the bank account. That might have worked, but I could not think of a reason to write such a check that would be convincing. There were alternatives. One alternative was the sheriff's sale. To me, that one was very interesting. The sheriff in Los Angeles County could be sent to the Pasadena office of EARTHLINK to inventory their computers to find out which ones that could be sold to satisfy the judgement. I opted for the sheriff's sale. It took a few weeks, but the sheriff did pay them a visit. Ah, then we finally got their attention! By that time, with all the collection fees added the amount they owed was $410.02! They paid immediately. I soon had a check in my hot little hand, and I took it to the bank and deposited it. I had to advance the collection fees, but I did get it all back. There are asset search services listed on the internet. The problem is that in the case of a small claim it probably would not be worth the fee that they charge. (One such firm charges $125 to locate a bank account on a no-hit, no-charge basis.) Big companies count on the fact that for a small sum of money a customer just will not do anything about their high handed ways of operating. In my case I think the request for payment was probably put in the round file. At any rate, in a case involving so little money they are not likely to send a representative when the it comes up for trial. Therefore, if the plaintiff can make a respectable case before the judge it will not be contested and a judgement should be ordered in his favor. EARTHLINK and America On Line both make discontinuing their services difficult. In fact, America on Line even had the gall to ask for the last four digits of my Social Security number! They immediately dropped the request when I refused to give it to them. Happily, I am now disconnected from both services, and my October bank statement shows no withdrawal for on line services. Watch your bank toowhen you ask for them to stop payment they may try to have you sign a statement that absolves them of all liability! Oh what the big fellows won't do! It is open season on consumers! http://www.fullsearch.com/asset.html (National) http://www.regnum.com (International) Many others listed under asset searches. READ THIS NEWSLETTER AND THEN GIVE IT TO A FRIEND. No copyright on the content of AUDREY'S MISSILES is claimed since it is our hope that the information in this newsletter will be copied and distributed widely. Topics covered are those which are not adequately treated on TV or in the press. If you live in the 209 calling area end a request to 209 847-7588 for a free fax subscription. E-mail is free anywhere. Paid subscriptions are not accepted. Comments may be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/10/00 (Lawsuit) == [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an moderated maillist about government reform. To join or leave send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: -- (un)subscribe audreys-missiles Visit http://www.uwsa.com Support UWSA.COM at http://www.uwsa.com/UWSACOMintro.html
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-Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Fearsome Mind Candy Eat Some Mushrooms, Punk Getting over that fear of going to jail. Psychedelics such as ecstasy, LSD and mushrooms aren't just for ravers and Deadheads. Not by a long shot. Psychotherapists around the country say if you're using these hallucinogenics as party drugs you're missing the point. As pychotherapeutic agents, many researchers say, they are an immensely valuable and untapped resource. Folks ranging from computer executives to elderly women to church leaders are participating in psychotherapy enhanced by psychedelics, typically thought of as party enhancers for teenagers or burn-outs. "It's one of the most fascinating things happening in psychology today," said a San Francisco clinical psychotherapist who asked to remain anonymous. "I have no question that in many ways it's much better psychotherapy than I could ever do by sitting and talking. But basically I don't choose to do that out of a fear of going to jail." Indeed, people who facilitate and participate in psychedelic-assisted psy chotherapy are an extremely underground and secretive bunch. The $350 to $400 sessions, mostly done in groups, are never advertised. It's strictly word of mouth. There are at least seven such therapy groups in the San Francisco Bay Area, and certainly plenty of others around the country, whose members risk jail time in order to, they say, explore the deepest crevasses of their minds. The legal risks are worth the insights gained, according one longtime client of the psychedelic sessions who asked to remain anonymous. "This kind of work goes to a much deeper level," she said. "You get a whole lot more than you would in a one-hour session with a therapist It reaches different transpersonal levels." They also say it's worth the possible health risks. The first study on methylenedioxymethamphetamine, or MDMA (better known as ecstasy), to show proof that MDMA dangerously depletes the brain of the mood-regulating hormone serotonin was published in Neurology in June. Federal research has found that other drugs used in these group therapies -- lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB) and ketamine (also called Special K) -- can result in confusion, memory loss, high blood pressure, delirium, psychosis, coma and even death. Dr. Lester Grinspoon, an associate professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who sued the DEA when it declared ecstasy a schedule 1 controlled substance in 1985, said he doesn't quite trust studies performed by the National Institute of Drug Abuse. "The NIH is a wonderful institution as a whole and truly their interest is in science," Grinspoon said. "But the NIDA really lost its where science is concerned and has become a ministry of drug propaganda." Still, researchers outside the United States have come to similar conclusions. Dr. Andy Parrott, of the department of psychology at the University of East London, published a study in the medical journal Psychopharmacology showing that young, recreational ecstasy users had impaired memory function compared with non-user controls. "This drug should not be administered to humans, especially on a repeated basis," Parrott said. Nevertheless, many medical professionals and psychologists say the gains outweigh the risks. The longtime client mentioned above is also about to become a therapist herself. She has completed her master's degree in psychotherapy, and is in the process of completing 3,000 hours of a client-work internship necessary to become a licensed therapist. She has participated in about 12 psychedelic therapy sessions in the past two years. She said she has no fear of ill-effects from most of the drugs, although she favors more studies of ecstasy to determine the effects of its repeated use. "In terms of going into a psychotic state, that might happen when drugs are used in very careless way, such as without a group involved or as a party drug," she said. "(The group therapy) is very careful both in terms of dosage and of what they use for your particular issues." Responsible use of psychedelics, she said, means being sufficiently prepared for the session, having a guide on hand at all times and knowing how to "integrate" the experience afterward. A typical session -- which is, pardon the expression, an overnight trip -- goes something like this: Clients typically arrive at a rented space in a rural setting on a Friday evening, after having fasted for the previous 12 hours. Medical professionals are commonly on hand and the facilitators are often experienced and licensed therapists. Individuals get acquainted with one other as well as with the facilitators. Each client spends up to 30 minutes discussing with a facilitator what emotional points they want to cover during the so-called journey: a relationship issue, a personal fear, a family problem. "Working
[CTRL] The world mocks as America squirms
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=003791872820752rtmo=qx9KseK9atmo=rrr qpg=/et/00/11/10/wpres110.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=003791872820752rtmo=qx9KseK9atmo=r rrqpg=/et/00/11/10/wpres110.html"The world mocks as America squirms/A - The world mocks as America squirms By Anton La Guardia Gore refuses to accept vote recount THE world's newspapers revelled in the embarrassment of the American political system yesterday, making comparisons with "banana republics", "spaghetti westerns" and the endemic corruption of Indian and Italian politics. The most caustic mockery came from countries whose democratic failings have been criticised by Washington. For many writers America had received its comeuppance for holding itself up as a model for others to emulate. Nepotistic dynasties, a dead man elected and scandals over ballot boxes were not just confined to the Third World, they said. A "great victory for democracy, desi-style (India style)", is how the Times of India gleefully described the debacle. The Indian Express, noting the vicissitudes of the Bush and Gore dynasties, urged readers to stop "moaning about how we alone in the world have been loaded with politicians whose fathers or grandfathers, mothers or grandmothers, uncles or aunts, great-uncles or great-aunts or plain cousins also happen to be politicians". La Reference Plus, published in the Democratic Republic of Congo, said the chaos in Florida only encouraged African dictators. It asked: "If this happens in the United States, how do you want everything to be clean and transparent in the poor African continent?" Zimbabwe's state-controlled daily, The Herald, said: "Analysts questioned whether the Americans would have accepted a recount in African elections if the ruling party candidate had been beaten, as happened in Florida." Iraq, which had previously dismissed both the American presidential candidates as equally pro-Israeli and hostile to Iraq, yesterday took the side of George W Bush. It said the delay in announcing the result was a Jewish plot to control America through Al Gore. Babel, a newspaper controlled by the eldest son of President Saddam Hussein, Uday, said the Jews in America wanted Mr Gore to win in order to give more support to Israel in its confrontation with the Palestinians. Babel said in a front page editorial: "If they (the Jews) succeed in making Gore win the election they will become the real leaders of America." Italians, whose own politics have been compared to an "opera buffa" after 58 post-war governments, had a field day. The Rome daily, La Repubblica, ran the mocking headline: "A Day worthy of a Banana Republic". The columnist Bepe Severgnini wrote in Milan's daily Corriere della Sera: "The other night when I went into a restaurant in Santa Monica, there was one president - Clinton. "When I ordered a pizza there was another one - Gore. When I paid the bill there was a third president - Bush. When I walked out on to Ocean Boulevard there was no president because Bill is now the husband of a senator from New York." German newspapers were more sanctimonious, with several arguing that America's electoral system was outdated and undermined the legitimacy of the eventual winner. Sueddeutsche Zeitung said the next president would be "a king without a kingdom." The conservative Die Welt said: "This is not a cheap novel, not a soap opera but a debacle that may reach the level of comedy and will be, in hindsight, an anecdote of a time in which politics had to painfully grasp how unfair it is to voters. "What a macabre spectacle: a giant empire with 280 million citizens sends voters to the polls to decide who should be the next American president and both candidates remain in a dead heat in a way we have not even seen in elections in Uzbekistan or Switzerland." In Moscow, an elections official said the disarray in America demonstrated the superiority of the Russian system. Alexander Veshnyakov, chairman of the Russian Central Election Committee, told the business daily Kommersant: "I think we should never adopt their electoral college system . . . Russian elections are more democratic and easier to grasp for the voters." Cuba's President Fidel Castro did not pass up the opportunity to lampoon America. State television showed him walking along the beach in his olive green uniform and boots. He ran into an unidentified American tourist and told him: "Like the majority of Americans, you have gone to the beach." The Lebanese daily, Al-Safir, had to apologise to its readers for incorrectly reporting that Mr Gore had won, but used the occasion to needle Arab dictators who stage overwhelming election victories for themselves. The paper's owner and editor Talal Salman wrote: "We offer our apologies to our readers for deciding on something that was still under way. Perhaps it is because of our deep-rooted experience of Arab democracy, particularly
[CTRL] Serbs in hunt for missing billions
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=003791936528942rtmo=LxtSbySdatmo=rrr qpg=/et/00/11/10/wserb10.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=003791936528942rtmo=LxtSbySdatmo=r rrqpg=/et/00/11/10/wserb10.html"Serbs in hunt for missing billions/A - 1995 Friday 10 November 2000 Serbs in hunt for missing billions By Alex Todorovic in Belgrade SERBIA'S Democratic Opposition group has set up an anti-corruption committee to hunt for billions of pounds hidden away in foreign bank accounts by Slobodan Milosevic, his family and former associates. An adviser to the finance minister said: "We're more interested in eventually getting to the money than arresting them." The Milosevic regime ran Yugoslavia as a fiefdom, giving out lucrative monopoly contracts and import rights in exchange for loyalty and financial assistance. Top-ranking politicians doubled as directors of the country's largest companies. Mihail Kertes, the head of customs, gave impounded cars as presents to high-ranking members of the regime. Customs impounded cars regularly for tax violations, or if a driver could not immediately produce proof that his taxes had been paid. Milosevic's daughter, Marijana, transported 4,000 tons of radio equipment from Italy on a Yugoslav commercial jet free of charge so she could establish her own Belgrade radio station. Companies handed out apartments and lavish lines of credit to the Milosevic faithful, taxes were ignored, and licence fees were non-existent for party loyalists. Criminal gangs paid money to government officials for the right to import products, setting a precedent for close links between police and the underworld. A member of the anti-corruption committee said: "We all knew the Milosevic regime was among the most corrupt in the world, but what surprised us was how it trickled down to relatively innocuous positions." Dusan Batakovic, the president of the Council for Democratic Change, which is pressing for a federal anti-corruption police force to be established, said: "We believe there are two to three billion pounds out there in private bank accounts that need to be brought back to the country." The federal finance minister has contacted foreign intelligence services for help to follow the money trail. This is difficult as the Milosevic regime used diplomatic routes to transfer money. © Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2000. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Internet voting in Florida; state uses Microsoft SQL; more
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.politechbot.com/p-01484.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.politechbot.com/p-01484.html" politechbot.com: Internet voting in Florida; s /A - Internet voting in Florida; state uses Microsoft SQL; more * Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 13:30:08 -0500 * To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Subject: FC: Internet voting in Florida; state uses Microsoft SQL; more * From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Adam Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: but will online voting elect Bush? Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:36:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Declan, It's reported that the 5,000 Florida votes that have not been counted at all are overseas absentee -- mostly military. That can only be good news for Bush, given how heavily the military went for the GOP. But now the Internet angle... There's an interesting Internet voting angle here: There is a little-known federal experiment in Internet voting taking place this week involving troops overseas who vote in -- yes -- Florida. According to Polli Brunelli from FVAP, the agency administering the test [http://www.fvap.ncr.gov/], speaking at our eVoting workshop here last month [see http://www.netvoting.org/], the number of troops would be very small -- no more than a few thousand -- who otherwise might not have been able to get their ballots back to Florida by the deadline. But, but, but... Could this be the first year the Internet decides a presidential contest Cheers Adam *** Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 05:09:37 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Rich Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FC: Al Gore is only 630 votes away from winning the election as you may know, this has narrowed to 224 votes according to voter news service. by the way, this is what you get when you try to reach the election results site below: Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005' [Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][Named Pipes]Specified SQL server not found. /SummaryRpt.inc, line 51 so look who is providing the db software used to tally the votes in the state that will determine the presidential election! -r *** Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:06:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Bradley K. Sherman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Waitress! Civics Lessons all 'round It's Wed Nov 8 09:01:59 PST 2000. Do you know where your Elector is? From URL:http://www.nara.gov/fedreg/elctcoll/faq.html Are electors required to vote for the candidate who won his or her State's popular vote? There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States. Some States (24 plus DC at last count) require electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories -- electors bound by State law and those bound by pledges to political parties. The Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties' nominees. Some State laws provide that so-called "faithless electors" may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector. The Supreme Court has not specifically ruled on the question of whether pledges and penalties for failure to vote as pledged may be enforced under the Constitution. No elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged. Today, it is rare for electors to disregard the popular vote by casting their electoral vote for someone other than their party's candidate. Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party or were chosen to recognize years of loyal service to the party. Throughout our history as a nation, more than 99 percent of electors have voted as pledged. How wonderful it was to see the pundits squirm! Worth every second of ambiguity. Also, how about a little credit to Buchanan for demolishing the Reform party? A Republican apparachnik to the end. --bks *** From: "Kevin Harper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Image of Palm Beach ballot Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:38:30 -0800 Some are saying that the Palm Beach ballot is confusing. I don't think it is, and being a Republican, I believe W. is our legitimate President Elect. In the interest of public discourse, however, here is a GIF image of the ballot in question. I've made it available at www.worldfilm.com/tvr/palmballot.gif . Thanks, I appreciate your list. Kevin Harper webmaster, worldfilm.com *
[CTRL] Lockerbie Court Paralyzed Over New Evidence on Palestinians
-Caveat Lector- from: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAZHM47AFC.html - Nov 7, 2000 - 06:05 PM Lockerbie Court Paralyzed Over New Evidence on Palestinians By Jerome Socolovsky Associated Press Writer CAMP ZEIST, Netherlands (AP) - The Lockerbie trial was paralyzed Tuesday as the defense sought more time to investigate new evidence relating to Palestinian terrorists initially suspected in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103. Prosecutors and defense lawyers spent the entire day in a private session with judges discussing another adjournment in the hearings of two Libyans accused of blowing the airliner out of the sky over Lockerbie, Scotland, on Dec. 21, 1988, killing 270 people. The trial had been scheduled to resume Tuesday after a month of delays following prosecutors' disclosure of new evidence relating to the defense case. Scottish officials presiding over the special courtroom in the Netherlands said hearings would continue in private session Wednesday morning. Prosecutors said they could wrap up their case within a few days once testimony resumed. Jim Swire, a British physician whose daughter, Flora, was on Flight 103, took the latest setback in stride. "The last thing we want is someone saying after it's all over, 'I know how it happened,'" he said. But, he added, "you can't help wondering why new evidence is being provided now, 12 years later." Last week, a defense lawyer said the new information revealed "hitherto unknown" links between inquiries by the German criminal intelligence agency, the Bundeskriminalamt, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command. Defendants Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi and Lamen Khalifa Fhimah blame the attack on the PFLP-GC and another Palestinian terrorist group, the Palestine Popular Struggle Front. A few months before the Lockerbie bombing, German agents raided a PFLP-GC hide-out in Neuss, near Frankfurt, and found a bomb in a cassette recorder similar to one that triggered the Pan Am explosion. The PFLP-GC, headquartered in Syria, was a prime target of British and American investigations before the indictment of the Libyans in late 1991. The leader of the Damascus-based PFLP-GC, Ahmed Jabril, denied his group was responsible soon after the Lockerbie bombing. Prosecutors say the defendants sent a bomb-laden suitcase from the Mediterranean island of Malta. The suitcase was furnished with stolen tags routing it through Frankfurt and onto the Pan Am airliner in London, according to the indictment. An alleged PPSF leader, Mohammed Abu Talb, jailed in Sweden for bombing Jewish and American targets in Europe, had been scheduled to take the stand Tuesday. The proceedings have been running since May 3. AP-ES-11-07-00 1758EST © Copyright 2000 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Brought to you by the Tampa Bay Online Network - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Three dead in Israeli 'assassination'
-Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1014000/101459 5.stm"BBC News | MIDDLE EAST | Three dead in Israeli /A - Thursday, 9 November, 2000, 23:07 GMT Three dead in Israeli 'assassination' A Palestinian police officer runs from the wreck of Abayat's van The Israeli army has killed a Palestinian militia leader in a helicopter missile attack which also killed two bystanders. The attack was launched in the Palestinian-administered town of Beit Sahur in the West Bank, just hours before Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat met President Bill Clinton in Washington. This is an assassination ordered by Barak... a cowardly aggression and a dangerous escalation Fatah official Marwan Barghouti It marks a significant change in Israeli tactics after six weeks of confrontations between Israel's regular troops and Palestinian protesters against Israeli occupation. Thursday's target was 33-year-old Hussein Abayat, a local military leader of Mr Arafat's Fatah faction, whom Israel accused of attacks on its soldiers. He was travelling in a van through a built-up area in broad daylight with several other Fatah officials. The Israeli army prevented Jewish activists from entering Bethlehem Eyewitnesses heard aircraft in the sky and saw one of them fire a rocket, before the car carrying Mr Abayat jumped in the air. Hospital officials said two Palestinian women who had also been walking along the road where the attack occurred died later of shrapnel wounds. The Israeli army said Mr Abayat was suspected of being involved in at least six attacks on Israel soldiers in Beit Sahur and other villages around Bethlehem, in which three Israeli soldiers died. It also said those in the vehicle were on their way to carry another ambush when they were attacked. Fatah defiant Spokesmen from Fatah, the faction founded by Yasser Arafat in 1960s and from which he draws his power, have vowed to respond violently to what they are calling an assassination. "It is a cowardly aggression and a dangerous escalation," said Marwan Barghouti, a senior Fatah official in the West Bank. "This will not prevent Fatah from pursuing the uprising and Israel will be held responsible for any response." Nine Palestinian youths have been shot in two days at Karni, Gaza Six weeks of bloodshed have seen more than 180 lives lost - about 90% of them Palestinians - and left the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians in tatters. Earlier in the day, tempers flared at an Israeli army checkpoint outside Bethlehem, as dozens of Jews were prevented from praying at the traditional site of the biblical matriarch Rachel's Tomb in Bethlehem for their own safety. The area has seen some of the most serious armed attacks on Israelis during the current crisis. Meanwhile, at the Karni crossing point in Gaza, another young Palestinian stone-thrower was killed when Israeli soldiers opened fire on protesters. Fourteen-year-old Mohammed Kamel Sharab, 14, died and some 25 others were wounded, ahead of the funerals of four Palestinians killed at the same place the day before. Arafat still talking Mr Arafat and Mr Clinton held a meeting in Washington at which the Palestinian leader tried to press his demand for an international force to protect civilians in the Palestinian territories - a move opposed by Israel. Mr Arafat faces a tough task persuading Bill Clinton to back a UN force Mr Arafat said he told Mr Clinton he was committed to making peace, but described Thursday's helicopter attack as a "dangerous development". US officials declined to condemn the killing of Mr Abayat until they know the facts. "This is a serious matter, and we want to look into it," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said. Palestinian militant groups have urged Mr Arafat not resume "aimless negotiations with the enemy" Israel and to resist American pressure to suppress the uprising. Mr Barak is expected to meet Mr Clinton on Sunday for separate talks. Mr Clinton has apparently dismissed the idea of an international force, preferring instead to concentrate on the truce agreement forged last month in the Egyptian resort of Sharm El-Sheik. "The president is focused on what he can do in the next few months to try to reduce the violence and resume a political process," national security adviser Sandy Berger said before the meeting. ©BBC - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and
[CTRL] Illegal History
-Caveat Lector- from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Meme warfare Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:652293"Illegal History/A - Subject: Illegal History From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (Worker #7734) Date: Fri, Nov 10, 2000 8:57 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Quasi-legal Coup of The Democrats will not be remembered for ages, since as we enter "The Era of Big Al" history will be rewritten. Only those of you sitting there now alive as it occurs will know of the start of the take-over. Unwilling to give up power the democrats morphed into the Wont-go-crats in the election of 2000, when Emperor for life Bill Clinton's wooden-puppet Algore hijacked the national election with legal sounding motions and TV messages that confused those not paying attention. The transition of power from the Wontgocrats to anyone else never occurred again. And so started the brief Second Civil War, which was won by our current rulers The Chinese/Clinton Coalition World Worker's Party. All hail Chairman Bill and his Puppet AL! - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] COMMUNISTS TAKE CONSTITUTION HOSTAGE (as planned)
-Caveat Lector- from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector, Caveat Lector, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:652253"COMMUNISTS TAKE CONSTITUTION HOSTAGE (as planned)/A - Subject: COMMUNISTS TAKE CONSTITUTION HOSTAGE (as planned) From: "Dick Eastman" A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Date: Thu, Nov 9, 2000 8:30 PM Message-id: YLRO5.2313$[EMAIL PROTECTED] The old rhetoric of the communist agitator is working overtime in Castro-druglord dominated Florida. Several "Democrats" have used this "party line" phrase: "Let the people decide, not a technicality." This is how communists dispose of constitutional law. The propagandistic device is used to inflame resentment against the constitutional process of selecting a president, when in fact: the people have chosen the technology of law established in a constitution to protect them against usurping tyranny. The "technicality" is "put-down" talk. What the communist- organized crime syndicate of Clinton-Gore are doing is "putting-down" the constitution, putting down provision made by "We the People." The communists wish to inflame a civil war, the chaos in which they can act most freely to overthrow the established order they have all opposed since their Marxist youth. "Let the people decide" really means "let our agitators create chaos that will force the Clinton administration to continue -- so it will not be answerable for past treason on behalf of China, including past murders and mass murders that Janet Reno, as head of the Justice Department, has been preventing from being prosecuted. (By the way, if you are aghast at my terminology, ask yourself why you merely blink when officials of the party of Clinton-Gore call all who supported Patrick Buchanan "Nazis" -- and the press plays it over and over without comment, showing their pro-communist pro-coup propagandistic hand.) On one hand the Clinton-Gore coup d'etat is the work of Beijing backed infiltrator moles. On the other it is an act of desperation of criminals who have held the reigns of government and law-enforcement for eight years. And of course the ruling establishmentazzi--both Democrat-fronting and Republican-fronting are exactly both professional subversives and guilty murderers and economic criminals. Back to the press. It is very rare for the news media to call a state before it is statistically beyond the point of no return. But here they have done it twice, in the one state that will break the tie. The first announcement--that Gore wins Florida--made while the polls were still opened had the effect of keeping Bush supporters away from the poles. The retraction of the first announcement had the effect of inflaming strong emotion and resentment -- the raw emotion that trained communist agitators, like Jesse Jackson, can mold into militant hatred a la Northern Ireland, a la Palestine. THIS IS HOW COMMUNISTS ALWAYS GAIN POWER. It is their modus operandi--easy to spot if you know their history. Next, the Bush announcement had the effect building a sense of possession in the Republicans -- setting the Republicans up for their dose of frustration, anger and resentment when the victory was ripped away from them. They will not be in a mood to act coolly when the agitated-to-riot-frenzy Floridians (with lots of Castro and mob infiltrators among their ranks) go into rebellion over the carefully selected pretexts. The Communist mastermind behind this classic Sun Tzu strategy of "divide and conquer," of "destabilize government" and conquer has been executed to perfection. And look at what this coup strategy accomplishes--this new kind of sociological warfare that China and the Trotskyite global bankers are conducting. People do not realize that the transition time for a President elect is very short. It used to be much longer, but was shortened by amendment in order to minimize the duration of weak "lame duck" (i.e. not-yet-replaced and no longer influential) presidents. Obviously the people who approved that amendment did not anticipate its usefulness in a communist coup. How can Bush get a team together if it is not certain that he will not be defeated by the most ruthless political operative and machine in U.S. history--a machine that is an amalgam of both the hard seasoned revolutionary communist underground and ruthless and bloody organized crime. What would you do if Paul Revere rode by your window and shouted: "The Redcoats are coming!"? Let me guess: Exactly what you are going to do right now. Dick Eastman Yakima U.S.A. Every man is responsible to every other man. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot
[CTRL] WHO MURDERED AFRICA?
-Caveat Lector- from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:652040"WHO MURDERED AFRICA?/A Subject: WHO MURDERED AFRICA? From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (Noah's Dove) Date: Thu, Nov 9, 2000 12:44 PM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WHO Murdered Africa By William Campbell Douglass, MD William Campbell Douglass, MD is one of the leading authorities on health and medicine. He is former Florida State President of the American College of Emergency Physicians and former editor of the Journal of the Sarasota County Medical Society. He has been practicing nutritional medicine for 10 years and has 4 books to his credit. There is no question mark after the title of this article because the title is not a question. It' a declarative statement. WHO, the World Health Organization, murdered Africa with the AIDS virus. That' a provocative Statement, isn't it? The answers to this little mystery, Murder on the WHO Express, will be quite clear to you by the end of this report. You will also understand why the other suspects, the homosexuals, the green monkey and the Haitians, were only pawns in this virocidal attack on the non-Communist world. If you believe the government propaganda that AIDS is hard to catch then you are going to die even sooner than the rest of us. The common cold is a virus. Have you ever had a cold? How did you catch it? You don't really know, do you! If the cold virus were fatal how many people would there be left in the world? Yellow fever is a virus. You catch it from mosquito bites. Malaria is a parasite also carried by mosquitoes. It is many times larger tan the AIDS virus (like comparing a pinhead to a moose head) yet the mosquito easily carries this large organism to man. The tuberculosis germ also much larger than the AIDS virus, can be transmitted by fomites (inanimate objects such as towels). THE AIDS VIRUS CAN LIVE FOR AS LONG AS 10 DAYS ON A DRY PLATE. You can't understand this murder mystery unless you learn a little virology. Many viruses grow in animals and many grow in humans, but most of the viruses that affect animals don't affect humans. There are exceptions, of course, such as yellow fever and small pox. There are some viruses in animals that cause very lethal cancer on those animals, but do not affect man or other animals. The bovine leukemia virus (BVL), for example, is lethal to cows but not humans. There is another virus that occurs in sheep called sheep visna virus which is also non-reactive in man. These deadly viruses are "retro viruses" meaning that they can change the genetic composition of cells that they enter. The World Health Organization, in published articles, called for scientists to work with these deadly agents and attempt to make a hybrid virus that would be deadly to humans(1): "An attempt should be made to see if viruses can in fact exert selective effects on immune function. The possibility should be looked into that the immune response to the virus itself may be impaired if the infecting virus damages, more or less selectively, the responding to the virus." -- (1) Allison, et al, Bull. WHO 1972, 47:257-63 and Amos, et al, Fed. Pro. 1972, 31:1087 -- That's AIDS. What the WHO is saying in plain English is "Let's cook up a virus that selectively destroys the T-cell system of man, an acquired immune deficiency." Why would anyone want to do this?" If you destroy the T-cell system of man you destroy man. Is it even remotely possible that the World Health Organization would want to develop a virus that would wipe out the human race? If their new virus creation worked, the WHO stated, then many terrible and fatal infectious viruses could be made even more terrible and more malignant. Does this strike you as being a peculiar goal for a health organization? Sometimes Americans believe in conspiracies and sometimes they don't. Was there a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy? Twenty- five years later the debate still continues, and people keep changing their minds. One day it's yes, the next day it's no - depending on what was served for breakfast or how the stock market did the day before. But it doesn't take a bad breakfast to see an amazing concatenation of events involving Russian and Chinese communist nationals, the World Health Organization, the National Cancer Institute and the AIDS pandemic. But what about the green monkey? Some of the best virologists in the world and many of those directly involved in AIDS research, such as Robert Gallo and Luc Montagnier, have said that the green monkey may be the culprit. You know the story: A green monkey bet a native on the ass and, bam - AIDS all over central Africa. There is a fatal
[CTRL] CIA Plot to Destroy Serious Psychic Research
-Caveat Lector- from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:652023"CIA Plot to Destroy Serious Psychic Research/A - Subject: CIA Plot to Destroy Serious Psychic Research From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (WIZGURU) Date: Thu, Nov 9, 2000 11:02 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there a CIA Plot to Destroy Serious Psychic Research - are the Skeptics Co-Conspirators or Unwitting Dupes? I was a serious psychic researcher who was nearly destroyed from what I believe and have evidence was a CIA plot involving then Attorney General of New Mexico, Tom Udall. I provided this documented evidence to CSICOP, Skeptical Inquirer and James Randi and asked them to thoroughly investigate. After delaying me for months, CSICOP and its Skeptical Inquirer refused to investigate, because according to them it was against their policies. And James Randi, in emails from his email address, repeatedly told me to "f**k off"! For details, see: www.tsc-global.com/ciaplot.html Thanks. Spread the word. wizguru (John J. Williams, Albuquerque, NM) - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Omega Agency and the NWO
-Caveat Lector- from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:651903"Omega Agency and the NWO/A - Subject: Omega Agency and the NWO From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Date: Wed, Nov 8, 2000 11:09 PM Message-id: 8udijp$63e$[EMAIL PROTECTED] They are who people are talking about when one says orders come from "above the President". The Omega Agency consists of a network set up much like the CIA. There are thousands world-wide who take their orders directly from the ruling council of the Omega Agency. This council consists of 10 to 12 people. George Bush and Alexander C. Haig are the only two names that I know at this point who sit on the council of the Omega Agency. The OA is the driving force behind what is commonly called the "New World Order." George W. Bush is their man of choice to bring this plan into action. The OA's office is located at Langley AFB. The OA originally planned to establish their world-wide control in 1995. But it was deemed that the time was not right, so they set a new target date for sometime in the year 2000. They are, above all else, a patient lot. Their plans to bring the world under one governing body, namely themselves, have been long in the making and thoroughly thought out. They plan to establish their NWO, for lack of a better term, in a time span of no less than 5 days. And they intend to do it without open war. Recall when President Reagan was shot. Haig made the statements to the press that "I'm in charge now." If you'll remember, he caught a lot of flack for that, and shortly thereafter, he was accused of various things that ruined his name politically. This was done by members of Congress who were aware of his seat on the Omega Agency council, and they feared losing their claim to power. Haig jumped the gun in his statements, and ended up giving up his political position because of it. Had Reagan died, we would have had Bush as President, and Haig as Secretary of State. Two men in power who sit on the OA council. But because of the commotion raised by a few members of Congress, Haig faded into the background rather than risk exposure of his connection to the OA, or of the OA itself. Recall when the Gulf War started. Bush used the exact words "New World Order" in his speech to the country. He said it several times, that the Gulf War marked the beginning of a NWO. The Gulf War was not a war about oil or the freedom of the people of Kuwait. It was a test of how well multi-national troops under the guidance of the UN would react in a war situation. The same holds true for Somalia and Bosnia. Multi-national troops under the direction of the UN. The Omega Agency controls the UN. Bush didn't lose the election to Clinton. Bush needed to be out of the limelight of the presidency in order to concentrate on and escalate the plans of the Omega Agency. And in Clinton, they had a stooge who would not rock the boat and who would do what he was told. Notice how quick Clinton has been to commit US troops to UN peace-keeping forces here and there. Notice who Clinton appointed as Secretary of State - Madeline Albright, the UN lady. Notice who Clinton gave federal land to - the UN. Why the need for a one-world government? The reasoning of the Omega Agency is this: Crime is out of control on a world-wide basis, especially in the US. People are out of control, not taking responsibility for themselves or their actions. Population growth is out of control on a world-wide level. The judicial system of the US is a joke. The political system of the US and most countries world-wide is a joke, corrupted and polluted by greed and power- hungry people who don't care about the population they were elected or appointed to serve. Under the governing body the Omega Agency plans to put in power, this would end. End of trial by jury. End of living off of society and not contributing your fair share. End of taking advantage of others for one's own personal gain. All who are able would contribute to the growth and well-being of the world's society, or they would pay the price for not pulling their fair share. What is this price? Basically, it will be like this: Those who are able physically and mentally to work will do so. If you have a job/profession at the time that the OA takes over, you will continue in that job/profession. If you are drawing welfare, but are physically able to work, you will work. Personal freedoms to come and go as one pleases world-wide will not change. Basically, the OA doesn't care what people do to amuse themselves, entertain themselves, etc., as long as they are working and contributing to the society as a whole. But there will be zero tolerance of any act that hurts/harms another. Crimes against another or against society will be met with the death penalty, if such crime is of a severe nature such as murder, rape or
[CTRL] The Secret Master's Are Playing Games !!!
-Caveat Lector- from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:651769" The Secret Master's Are Playing Games !!! /A - Subject: The Secret Master's Are Playing Games !!! From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (SOL Militia) Date: Wed, Nov 8, 2000 10:57 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Secret Master's Are Playing Games !!! Election 2000 ! Let The Games Begin. The Drug Lords now rule America !!! "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." WE-MUST-RESIST Sons of Liberty Militia Tim Stine 312 S. Wyomissing Ave. Shillington, Pa. 19607 U.N. Occupied U.S.A. 610-775-0497 [EMAIL PROTECTED] We-Must-Resist-The-GlobalGov.-Takeover-of-the-USA !!! The_American_Revolution_Continues !!! A HREF="http://community-1.webtv.net/We_The_People_/SonsofLibertyMilitia/" http://community-1.webtv.net/We_The_People_/SonsofLibertyMilitia//A - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Lundberg on line
http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sovereigntylibrary/0303%20soccriticismlibrary /030304lundberg/030304toc.html THE RICH AND THE SUPER-RICH A Study in the Power of Money Today BY FERDINAND LUNDBERG Lyle Stuart, Inc. New York
[CTRL] [Fwd: [NA] Election 2000 Overnight Report ÁV Á¤The RollercoasterÁ¬, A Made for TV M]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: [NA] Election 2000 Overnight Report ÁV ÁThe RollercoasterÁ¬, A Made for TV M Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 02:57:46 -0800 From: "Jim Condit Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." attributed to Communist Tyrant Josef Stalin The "Ruling Elite", through their five Big TV Networks, AP wire service, and two major papers, the New York Times and Washington Post, are making peaceful change impossible at the ballot box, -- via Vote Fraud, Media Censorship, and Poll Fraud, and the flood of illegal aliens who are becoming registered voters . . . President Kennedy talked about this: "If you make peaceful change impossible. you make violent revolution inevitable." President John F Kennedy Go to www.votefraud.org to hear (or read the text) of the Radio Ads which are now airing over WLW Radio (which reaches into 38 states at night)and other stations -- exposing the easily rigged computerized elections which are about to "elect" the next President, and also exposing the coordinated news and censorship of the 5 Big TV Networks. Thanks to Ken Lowndes for Congress, the radio stations MUST air these ads. They're tough. They're "outrageous" -- and you've never heard anyting like it on TV or Radio. The three prongs of Big Media election manipulation are: Massive coverage of favored Candidates, and Censorship of all other candidates -- including warped Public Opinion Polls for months before the election; phony exit polls done by joint effort of the Big TV Networks on Election Day, and easily rigged computerized vote counting on election day -- which make the polls and exit polls come true. (On election day, the people are barred from touching or counting their ballots, the election officials are barred from knowing what is in the software program that instructs the computers how to count the votes.) November 7, 2000 NA (Network America) e-wire NOTE: THIS IS A RE-SENT MESSAGE BECAUSE THE FIRST TRANSMISSION ON NOVEMBER 7 WAS GARBLED WITH REGARD TO PUNCTUATION AND LINE BREAKS BY THE TOPICA MESSAGE LIST. HOWEVER, WE BELIEVE TOPICA IS DOING A TREMENDOUS JOB AS WE NEAR 1200 subscribers to his e-wire news service. Election 2000 Overnight Report ¡V ¡§The Rollercoaster¡¨, A Made for TV Movie You know it¡|s true! It had to be real! You yourself had experienced the UPS and DOWNS of the EMOTIONAL ROLLERCOASTER! You are emotionally committed to the fact that it was real ¡V because you lived and agonized through it. Nobody¡|s gonna tell you that you didn¡|t ride that emotional rollercoaster --- y-o-uk-n-o-wy-o-ud-i-d! I once sat (about 15 years ago) with my children at King¡|s Island Amusement Park near Cincinnati, Ohio on the floor of a Giant Screen Theater with quite a few dozen other parents and their children. The Giant Screen Movie came on -- and showed a life-size movie of someone riding a rollercoaster. The Giant Screen Movie had the effect on our bodies of just about the real thing. I felt my stomach jump as if I were really on a rollercoaster. My oldest daughter, about 5 at the time, became panicky and was on the verge of tears, and said she wanted to leave ¡V she was obviously scared by what she saw as she felt like it was real. I told her to just look down at the thick, plush rug, on which we were all sitting. When she looked down, she no longer saw the illusion on the Giant Screen, which was only about 15 to 20 feet in front of us, so she immediately calmed down and realized it wasn¡|t real, it was only a movie. And the lesson for today, Mommies and Daddies and Boys and Girls, is that if you just look at your Network America e-wire (which is the plush rug in this analogy) then you will cease to be caught up in the emotional rollercoaster being induced in your stomach by the Made-For-TV-Movie ¡Vknown as the 2000 Presidential Election -- on your little screen TV I won¡|t deal with all the predictions we put up in yesterday¡|s November 6, 2000 NA e-wire ¡V until we have a final announcement from the Ruling Elite¡|s mouthpiece, that is, the ONE TV News Department which operates through 5 separate TV News ¡§on screen¡¨ casts. But we will deal with two of them that have already, basically, come true. Incidentally, Network America still holds firmly to the prediction that Bush and Cheney are the chosen ¡§winners¡| by the Ruling Elite ¡V and have been for months. The first NA prediction that has come true already is that the nation would not know the result of this election until Wednesday, or even Thursday or Friday. The TV Networks, following the Super Secret Software companies that pre-program the computer programs which count the votes, in my judgement, have taken the nation on a contrived pre-scripted plot in order to try and discredit the growing feeling among most Americans ¡V and the growing documentation known to a
[CTRL] Fwd: Conspiracy Journal
Conspiracy Journal - http://www.conspiracyjournal.com === * Conspiracy Journal * === http://www.conspiracyjournal.com Also: http://www.webufo.net To subscribe: email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will receive a verification email, please follow its directions. The votes are in and have been counted, and it is unanimous that this years winner is CONSPIRACY JOURNAL! That's right, the people have spoken! Conspiracy Journal is here once again to reveal the secrets and conspiracies that won't be heard on your local 6 o'clock news. This week Conspiracy Journal takes a look at: A weird flying alien spotted in Pennsylvania - Saddam may soon have his own nuke - And funds have been approved to continue development on a high-powered missile busting laser. All these stories and letters from our readers in this weeks Conspiracy Journal. Don't forget to visit the Conspiracy Journal website to check out some new columns by Commander X http://www.members.tripod.com/uforeview/xfiles.com And special Guest Columnist Tim Swartz talks about the forgotten genius of Nikola Tesla. http://www.members.tripod.com/uforeview/guest.html Note: If you have trouble getting these links to work, simply type in your location window the above URLs. ~ And Now, On With The Show! ~ = - STILL A PROBLEM AFTER ALL THESE YEARS DEPARTMENT - Saddam Still Pursuing Nuclear Weapons, Says Iraqi Scientist Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's former nuclear weapons expert Khidhir Hamza said Iraq is only months away from making a workable bomb. However, Hamza said Iraq must rely on foreign sources for fissile material. "I don't think that he will keep it a secret," said Hamza. "Once Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction [WMD] program is capable of generating a couple of nuclear devices, Saddam will use it to his own ends," he said. Hamza predicted that Saddam would test one of the devices and then declare himself "a nuclear power." Hamza started working in Iraq's nuclear program in the 1970s after studying physics in the United States; he defected to the West in 1995. Hamza spoke at a book signing reception at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington on November 2. His book, co-authored with Jeff Stein, is entitled "Saddam's Bomb Maker: The Terrifying Inside Story of the Iraqi Nuclear and Biological Weapons Agenda." Thebook was released in the United States November 2 and in Europe in October. The Iraqi scientist related how Saddam Hussein hoodwinked the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) for years, even though Iraq signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in 1968 and ratified it in 1969. "That [ratification] made our nuclear-power cover stories internationally acceptable and justified our major nuclear purchases with the full backing of the IAEA," Hamza said. Hamza noted that after the Arab armies were defeated in the 1967 War with Israel, Iraq started a nuclear program "to have at least parity with Israel." In 1972, Saddam Hussein approved an initial plan that led to Iraq's acquisition two years later of a nuclear reactor from France for a plutonium bomb, he said. At the time, he said, Iraq's initial investment in the program was $500 million and the program employed 500 technicians. Israel's attack on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor facility in 1981 kicked Saddam's nuclear weapons program into high gear, Hamza said. "Israel made a mistake in hitting the reactor," he said. Saddam responded by launching a new eight-year-long secret program in 1982 to build a nuclear bomb inventory that would eventually cost $10,000 million and employ 7,000 technicians and scientists, Hamza said. Hamza said Saddam was driven by a desire to make Iraq a nuclear power and the center of Arab power and unity. Saddam "needed a crude device to drop on Israel," Hamza said. After the Gulf War in 1991, Iraq continued with its secret nuclear weapons development program, says Hamza. The program was eventually discovered by United Nations inspection teams, who began to dismantle it until they were ordered to leave Iraq at the end of 1998. Hamza's book relates how Iraq tested biological and chemical weapons on human subjects, most of whom were political prisoners, but also on Kurds in the north and Shiites in the south. The Iraqi nuclear expert said that while he was working on the nuclear program, the Iraqi regime recruited Iraqi university students for clandestine WMD programs and "some of the students died due to exposure." Conditions inside Iraq became so bad for the scientists and their families that many fled, said Hamza. One of the problems for Saddam today, he said, "is that no one is returning home" to work on the WMD programs. Hamza asserted that the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) tried to recruit him to make a bomb and Baghdad had a secret program aimed at breaking into U.S. and
[CTRL] How It's Supposed to Work
-Caveat Lector- Now Hillary wants to abolish the Electoral College. Wrong. Abolish the popular vote for President. Get back to fundamentals, away from the "go along to get along" type of government. AER From http://www.mises.org/fullstory.asp?control=545 }}Begin Origins of the Electoral College by Randall G. Holcombe [Posted November 9, 2000] The process was never intended to be democratic. The first presidents were appointed by elites, not elected by the masses. Not until 1820s, with the rise of Andrew Jackson, did popular voting have a role in the selection of presidents The modern principle of democracy--repeated in nearly every media account of the Florida vote confusion--holds the president should be elected by majority vote because that will permit government to do what the people want. But the Founders went to great lengths to insulate the activities of their new government from democratic pressures. One of the ways that they tried to limit their government from democracy was by selecting the nation's chief executive through the use of an electoral college, rather than through direct democratic election. The electoral college never worked as planned, however, and by 1828, when Andrew Jackson was elected as president, the method of electing the president had almost completely transformed into the democratic system that still exists at the end of the twentieth century. This metamorphosis of the electoral college mirrors changes that have occurred more generally in American government during its first two centuries. At its founding, American citizens believed that their government was created to protect their liberty, and the government was designed to be limited in scope. The Constitution was written to protect the rights of individuals and limit the powers of government. In other words, it was intended to preserve liberty. Not only did the Founders not intend for public policy to be determined democratically, they actively tried to design their new government to prevent public policy from being directed by the demands of its citizens. They recognized that liberty could be compromised by democracy, and that the will of the majority had the potential to be just as tyrannical as a king or dictator. Yet over the centuries the principle of liberty that the Founders fought for became less of a priority for American citizens, and the principle of democracy became more significant. At the end of the twentieth century the term liberty has an almost quaint sound to it, while trying to encourage the spread of American-style democracy around the world has become a significant part of American foreign policy. The electoral college was an important part of their attempt to limit the influence of democracy on American government. The evolution of the electoral college is, in one sense, only a small part of the story of the transformation of the fundamental principle of American government from liberty to democracy. Yet it is an important part of the story, because it was one of the earliest manifestations of this transformation. Within a few decades of the nation's founding, one of the most significant checks that the Founders tried to enact to control democracy had been eliminated. Republic, Yes; Democracy, No The Constitution was designed so that a group of highly qualified experts would be designated to select the president and vice president. Article II, Section 1, states, "Each State shall appoint, in such a Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress; but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed as an Elector." Constitutional amendments have changed some aspects of the process by which the president is elected, but this provision remains unchanged. It is apparent from the wording of this provision of the Constitution that the Founders did not intend for electors to be democratically elected (although they did not rule out the possibility), and is even more apparent that however the electors were chosen, they did not intend the method of choice to dictate how the electors would cast their ballots. Otherwise, why would the Constitution rule out federal officials as electors? Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution continues, "The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves." The top vote getter would then become President if that person received votes from a majority of the electors, and the second-highest vote getter would become Vice President. This provision was changed slightly by the Twelfth Amendment in 1804 so that the President and Vice President were voted on separately, but the electoral college system remained essentially unchanged
[CTRL] Fw: Florida Military Votes Blocked!!
-Caveat Lector- > > FLORIDA MILITARY VOTES BLOCKED > > Reports of Blocked Military Votes Still Coming In > -- and some of them live in Florida > > http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com > > from Angel Shamaya > Director, KeepAndBearArms.com > 9 November 2000 > 12:50, PST > > KeepAndBearArms.com -- We have more confirmed > reports of U.S. servicemen and women being prevented > from voting. Absentee ballots missing or arriving > too late is a larger problem than we'd even have > guessed, and we are still receiving new reports as > the day wears on. Here are the latest reports: > > Okinawa -- another confirmed report of no ballot > having been provided. In her own words: > >"I am living on Okinawa. I was active duty until >Sep 02-00, and I did ask my unit rep to sign me >up to vote -- but heard nothing after that. I >did not receive a ballot at all. Yes, I would >have voted for Gov. Bush." > > We also have our first confirmed report from a resident > of Florida stationed in America whose ballot didn't > arrive until the day before the election. He requested > his absentee ballot in September and placed a second > request in October. According to him: > >"I received my Ballot the day after the election. >My parents requested my ballot in September, but >it was sent to the wrong address. I re-requested >a ballot in late October. I live in Florida, and >I would have voted for Bush." > > He's not the only soldier who resides in Florida and > didn't receive a ballot -- and would have thrown a > vote to Governor Bush. This just came in: > >"I am a state resident of Florida. In my 16 years >in the military I have never NOT received a ballot... >until this year. And yes, I would most definitely >have voted for Bush." > > And so it goes. We have a confirmed report in from a > couple whose home state is Oregon. She received her > ballot, and he didn't. > > Some military personnel did receive their ballots > in time to vote, of course. From our email today: > >"I am from the state of Illinois, and requested >my ballot in September, I received my ballot on >November 6th 2000, the ballot needed to be returned >by 2 pm on the 7th. I did send my ballot in, and >I did vote for BUSH!!" > > and > >"I am a soldier stationed in the US at Carlisle >Barracks in Pennsylvania, away from my voting district. >Everyone at Carlisle Barracks was provided all forms, >etc months in advance. I can tell you that everyone >here was encouraged to vote." > > We are elated to know that some military personnel did > get to vote. But the absence of ballots for others is > not only puzzling, it is an outrage. How those who > received their ballots on the 7th were to accomplish > the stated deadline is a mystery. Who helped orchestrate > this travesty is no mystery at all. > > Related Articles Below are All linked at > http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com > > First Report from Okinawa Showing > Missing Military Absentee Ballots > http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.a
[CTRL] Fwd: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] sub links colombian cartels and russian mob-yep, them pesky russkie commies
Preston: This is a fabulous posting. Thank you! There are several key points to consider here. 1. The U.S. Navy using a sensory system called SOSUS along with monitoring by Los Angeles Class attack subs monitors all the underwater traffic everywhere in the world, but especially near the U.S. Not even a whale moves without the U.S. Navy knowing about it. Their Sonar equipment is especially programmed to recognize key sounds made by Russian subs. Therefore, if this sub was intended to smuggle coke and heroin to the U.S. it could only happen with the blessings of the CIA and the USN. No exceptions here. 2. The presence of an American in the construction team tends to strongly suggest CIA awareness, if not participation. Therefore, it is also possible (I think even likely) that the submarine was/is intended to smuggle drugs to Europe and Asia. My reasoning is that CIA and the various factions have a simple, cheap system set up right now that doesn't require all this effort, money and risk. The sub is likely intended to bypass the law enforcement of other nations not capable of detecting it. The classic model of narco-colonialism. 3. The ending remarks about the escalation of technology are extremely important for several reasons. First the technological escalation is supported by the fact that, about a year ago a US De Havilland DH 7 spy aircraft piloted by Army pilot Jennifer Odom with a radar directed SAM 16. This is ultra high-tech. This was very well reported by Salon Magazine. It is my strong belief that the USG (CIA) is secretly seeing to it that the FARC devils become very well technologically equipped so as to justify their demonization and ever higher US military expenditures. A major US deployment would not be justified by even 100,000 rebels equipped with AK 47s. It would be justified (along with huge military expenditures) if FARC had submarines, radar, SAMs, tanks and high tech. Remember also that we have documented Russian money laundering through the Bank of New York and that this money goes back into Wall Street. Ref: http://www.copvcia.com/bony.htm. The timing of this LA Times piece is interesting also because the submarine story originally broke two months ago and didn't draw this much attention then. I believe this to be a prepping of the waters for military intervention in Colombia that becomes ever more necessary as Wall Street suffers and the Euro surges under the present electoral uncertainty. Mike Ruppert www.copvcia.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[CIA-DRUGS] sub links colombian cartels and russian mob-yep, them pesky russkie commies Subj:[Spy News] Submarine Links Colombian Drug Traffickers With Russian Mafia Date: 11/10/2000 1:00:03 PM Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mario Profaca) Reply-to: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([Spy News]) Friday, November 10, 2000 Submarine Links Colombian Drug Traffickers With Russian Mafia http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/20001110/t000107841.html Crime: Officials believe that the vessel http://www.latimes.com/photos/20001110/g0j302ke.gif http://www.latimes.com/photos/20001110/g0j2tgke.gif was a joint effort between cartels and ex-KGB spies. They worry that the partnership includes intelligence trading. By JUANITA DARLING, Times Staff Writer BOGOTA, Colombia--They should have been friendlier to the neighbors. The three foreigners first raised suspicions in the Andean mountain village of Facatativa because they never smiled or waved. Then people noticed that they always had food delivered and seldom emerged from the warehouse where they worked. Finally, someone called the police. Officers, shocked by what they discovered when they entered the warehouse during a predawn raid Sept. 7, made two phone calls: one to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration office here and another to the Russian ambassador. Thanks to the offended villagers, law enforcement officers had found a 100-foot submarine under construction, the first tangible evidence of a long-suspected alliance between the latest generation of Colombian drug traffickers and the Russian mafia. That partnership concerns security experts, who worry that Colombian drug traffickers may be getting more than hardware from their Russian associates. They could be buying intelligence and counterintelligence services from spies who learned their trade in the notorious KGB, warned Frank J. Cilluffo, a researcher at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. Law enforcement officials believe that the submarine was being built to smuggle up to 10 tons of narcotics--a testament to the ingenuity of drug traffickers and, perhaps, to the strength of combined forces. Together, Russian and Colombian organized crime groups make a formi
[CTRL] Gore takes the porn vote
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_112514.html?nav_src=newsIndexHeadline Gore takes the porn vote A porn popularity map of the US is almost identical to one showing which states Al Gore won in the recent presidential elections. The map shows that the Democrat-friendly West Coast, New England and Middle Atlantic states have the highest appetite for video sex movies. As many as 40% of the home video market in Gore's winning states is sex-related, according to the Wall Street Journal data. [article below] The Republican George W Bush, on the other hand, dominated the Bible-Belt which has the lowest number of porn viewers. Experts who analysed the two maps say that morality and culture are refelected in both; conservative married couples wanted Bush, not Gore, who they associated too closely with Bill Clinton's impeachment troubles. Copyright © 2000 Ananova Ltd ~~ http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pdupont/?id=65000578 Gore Carries the Porn Belt This election was about culture above all. BY PETE DU PONT Friday, November 10, 2000 12:01 a.m. EST Pretty much everyone guessed wrong on the election results. The professors with their economic prediction models had Al Gore at 55% to 60% of the popular vote. Most of the national pollsters had George W. Bush leading by two to nine points. The anti-Clintons, who said Mr. Gore would pay the price for Bill Clinton's misdeeds could see no evidence of backlash. But in the Oct. 23 New York Times appeared a shaded map of the United States that bore an eerie resemblance to Tuesday night's results. In an article headlined "Technology Sent Wall Street Into Market for Pornography," the map shows by region the percentage of sex movies in the home-video market. Mr. Gore carried the areas with the highest percentages (40% on the West Coast and 37% in New England and the Middle Atlantic states); Mr. Bush carried the area with the lowest percentage (14% in the South), and they split the rest of the country that had middling sex movie percentages. It sounds ridiculous, but there's a grain of truth in those comparisons. Mr. Bush carried married voters 53% to 44%, led by a similar margin in homes with children under 18, and won the "religious right," 79% to 18%. He won the South 54% to 44% and lost the Northeast 37% to 56%. His was a culturally conservative vote. And character did matter: Among voters who said they wanted an honest and trustworthy president, Mr. Bush won 80% to 15%. People who attend church weekly backed Mr. Bush 57% to 40%. A few other patterns emerged: Mr. Gore ran strongly with the quarter of the voters with incomes under $30,000: Mr. Bush ran better than Mr. Gore with the other three-quarters. Democrats voted for Democrats and Republicans for Republicans in overwhelming percentages. And the "gender gap" is real and very deep. According to exit polls Mr. Gore won women 54% to 42%, and Mr. Bush won men 52% to 43%. Other comparisons paint a murkier picture. Consider three important quality-of-life indicators measured state by state: five-year per capita income growth, the crime rate and the percentage of births to teenage mothers. List the 50 states and the District of Columbia in order for each, and we see that economic growth seemed to matter: Messrs. Bush and Gore evenly split high-growth states, while Mr. Bush carried 11 of the 15 low-growth ones. The crime rate didn't seem to matter: Higher-crime states favored Mr. Bush, but not by very much. More puzzling, he also won 20 of the 25 states with the highest percentage of births to teen mothers. In short, the 2000 election was not primarily about "the economy, stupid," nor the efficiency of government, nor the number of programs proposed or their cost, nor just how government should be reinvented. It was about values like the quality of education, family and ethics, and the character and trustworthiness of the man who will next lead us. Those are not bad ways to pick a president. It is also clear that these concerns are not evenly spread across the country. There are indeed two Americas, one bicoastal, urban, industrial, and politically very liberal; the other rural, with smaller cities and towns, traditional beliefs about family and morality, and a moderate-to-conservative political outlook. Regardless of whether Mr. Gore is successful in his attempt to overturn the result in Florida, this basic division is going to bedevil American society for some years to come. The Democratic Party is being pushed left. Mr. Gore, as either president or leader of the party, is more liberal than Mr. Clinton; newly elected senators like Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine are very left. People in the rural center will not take kindly to this leftward tilt and will be in continual tension with the other America. The fate of Republicans, now holding even slimmer and more difficult margins in the House and Senate, lies almost wholly in the hands of Mr. Bush.
[CTRL] Four other US states may recount election votes
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_112909.html?nav_src=newsIndexHeadline Four other US states may recount election votes Four more US states may follow Florida and undertake recounts to decide who will be the next president. The recounts may be ordered in Oregon, Iowa, New Mexico, and Wisconsin, which Mr Gore won narrowly. In New Mexico, early voting tallies released in the state's largest county narrowed the gap between Republican George W. Bush and Democrat Al Gore to 164 votes, with Mr Gore in the lead. That's a change from a previous unofficial Gore lead of 6,825 votes. Republicans have threatened to challenge close Gore victories if he draws out challenges in Florida. But New Mexico has only five electoral votes and wouldn't be enough be itself. In Oregon, a recount may also be required by a state law if the margin between Bush and Gore is less than one-fifth of 1% or about 2,800 votes. With about 40,000 more votes to be counted, many in Republican leaning areas, Mr Gore led Bush by 8,485 votes. In Iowa, Republican officials are exploring the possibility of requesting a voter recount in a state that Mr Bush lost by less than 5,000 votes. To ask for a recount, Bush would have to personally write each of Iowa's 99 county auditors by 5 pm Nov. 16 or 17, depending on the county. In Wisconsin, where Mr Bush lost by about 6,000 votes, there is no automatic recount. But a candidate may request a recount. The Bush campaign said they are looking at that possibility. Last updated: 21:43 Friday 10th November 2000. Copyright © 2000 Ananova Ltd A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Four other US states may recount election votes
Who wants someone that has a weird family philosophy? I live in Texas and the guy is strange! Here are links to prove it. Title: Bush, Clinton, Gore, Dole, Republican and Democrat links Site Map * Disclaimer * Site Search * Index * Skull and Bones Bush Family and more These seem to go missing from the web pages that I put them on so let's see if I can keep track of them here. the company they keep http://members.nbci.com/osseticamb/oronazisti01.html I.G. Farben, National Socialism and Fascism (review) ... Martin Bormann: Nazi in Exile by Paul Manning. Secaucus, NJ: Lyle Stuart, 1981. 302pp. $14.95. Latest variation on the Bormann-is-alive-and- well-and-behaving ... http://ihr.org/jhr/v05/v05p415_Stimely.html - 48k THE ELKHORN DOCUMENT: Bush Family's Historical Ties to the Nazis http://www.squat.net/tmc/msg01076.html As the Republican Convention approaches and America moves irretrievably closer to crowning George W. Bush as its next monarch, SFLR DJ Scott Thompson has begun an examination of the Bush family's historical ties to the Nazis. Evidence for the connection is contained in a document now on the Web known as the Elkhorn document. http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.squat.net/tmc/msg01076.html+Elkhorn+Farben+References+hl=en Topic: Alternatives to Dubya Elkhorn Document R. William Davis http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3751908d3af4.htm ** Table of Contents to the Elkhorn Document Leading Edge Research Group presents: The Elkhorn Document Documented Evidence of a Secret Business and Political Alliance Between the U.S. Establishment and the Nazis - Before, During and After World War II - up to the Present. By R.William Davis Could the Bush family be advocating the end of humans? Does this sound like sci fi? Consider: oil is a product of bacteria and a bacteria needs something to work with. It seems that water is a favorite item to use to get more oil out of wells. Water is (H2O), so what would the bacteria that produces oil do with the hydrogen, since hydrogen is a component of oil. This means that anyone that bases their ideas on oil is incompetent, exspessely considering how much knowledge that family is suppose to have of oil. Does the Bush family advocate solar energy or oil? Could they or the Bush backers have already considered this and basically been using those countries that depend on oil? What would happen if the Bush family is still involved with pharmaceutical companies like they seem to have been during the Hitler era? Oil; Thomas Gold * is oil a bacterial byproduct? Thomas Gold -- The Deep Hot Bioshpere, http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/tg21/ The Theory of Unlimited Oil One Heretic Predicts More Oil to Be Drilled in the Ground By Kevin Newman -- March 16 http://more.abcnews.go.com/onair/closerlook/wnt_000316_cl_oilheretic_feature.html Bush and Gore on enviroment, but this does not consider Nader. http://www.consortiumnews.com/100300a.html History on the Ballot The presidential election could determine whether Americans gain access to Cold War history. By Robert Parry. November 5, 2000 http://www.consortiumnews.com/ History will be on the ballot Nov. 7. An honest accounting of American history from the Cold War has not been an issue in Campaign 2000. But recent disclosures of human rights abuses and other crimes especially from the bloody front lines of Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Chile and Argentina could slow to a trickle or be stopped outright with a victory by Texas Gov. George W. Bush and his running mate, Dick Cheney. For one, the Bush familys legacy could suffer greatly from anything approaching full disclosure of this Cold War history. -go to link for rest of the story at http://www.consortiumnews.com/110500a.html Dubya's Drunken Driving Raises Bigger Questions http://www.bushwatch.com/ Everything you wanted to know about Skull and Bones but were afraid to ask: http://www.luxefaire.com/sculland.htm Bush / Gore Some things that have happened since the Nixon era. CHEMISTRY OF H (MUSTARD) http://www.mitretek.org/mission/envene/chemical/agents/mustard.html Mitretek Systems Mustard was first used by the Germans on the night of 12-13 July 1917 near Ypres in Flanders. I. HISTORY OF BIOLOGICAL WARFARE USAMRIID http://www.gulfwarvets.com/biowar.htm A. SIGNIFICANT EVENTS: A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE The following events, some proved and some alleged, comprise a short history of biological warfare. Covers 1346-1992 but does not have the information that is in the above link about mustard gas being used in 1917. BIOLOGICAL WARFARE AND ITS CUTANEOUS MANIFESTATIONS Thomas W. McGovern, MD, MAJ, MC George W. Christopher, LTC, USAF, MC http://telemedicine.org/BioWar/biologic.htm The opinions and assertions
[CTRL] Election Crisis And FEMA ?
-Caveat Lector- [Note: This article was written a few days BEFORE the election took place, it seems that Sherman Skolnick knew ahead of time that there would be trouble once the ballots were counted]. http://www.skolnicksreport.com/eprovs.html --- EMERGENCY PROVISIONS FOR YEAR 2000 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION by Sherman H. Skolnick This is a story almost too sensitive to be posted. What do you really know about F.E.M.A., Federal Emergency Management Agency? Our research and investigation group learned a lot about FEMA as a result of an unpublicized federal lawsuit we brought against them in January, 1991. In fact, it was filed on the same day that President George Herbert Walker Bush ordered the bombing of his former long-time secret business partner in Baghdad, Saddam Hussein. We put together upwards of a thousand pages of the secret background of FEMA. Some of the appendix to the lawsuit was in compressed, reduced form so as to prevent it from being so bulky. Among other things, it pointed out the unconstitutional nature of FEMA. That is, some of the Federal Judges in the U.S. are also secretly officials of FEMA. Wearing two hats like that is on its face, unconstitutional. Various presidents, however, have entered little known dictatorial fiats into the Federal Register, or not recorded at all, mandating that in a so-called "emergency", it is forbidden for federal judges to take jurisdiction of any challenge in court to the fascist-like orders of FEMA, suspending habeas corpus, property ownership, right to travel from place to place, and more. We identified one of the U.S. District Judges in Chicago as being a secret official also of FEMA. A crony of his in the court seized upon our lawsuit, and without legal formality ordered our lawsuit "dismissed" and removed from the courthouse. No lawful citation of authority was given. And we had no legal recourse. Of course, we had no opportunity for "open court" hearing or proceedings of any kind. The corrupt bench and bar promote the idea that we as the American people proceed on the law and the facts. In important cases, it is a complete phantasy as I as a court reformer have discovered in more than 40 years of experiences. The one good thing that came out of it we added to our inside sources, even in FEMA, persons who secretly admire our work and assist us with details as best they can. Over the years, I as the head of our group, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, have been jailed---not for committing crimes---but for "contempt of court", for absolutely refusing to divulge sources of our data. The fact that the "authorities" hauled me away in my wheelchair, as if I were a violent bank robber, repeatedly outraged the public and after a while each time I was released. Key honchos in finance and banking, in international business, and domestic and foreign espionage agencies, have studied the Year 2000 Presidential Election. They have determined that there may be what appears to be an "Emergency" as an outgrowth of the Election. As a consequence they have sent what purport to be "U.S. Government" officials to deal with the situation. These "officials" purport to have authority ABOVE the Presidency, above the Congress, above the Courts, AND ABOVE THE CONSTITUTION. [Do not heckle me with naive protests that such is "unconstitutional", as if I do not already understand that.] What they have ordered 1. If a question remains as to the "Electoral College" vote, as provided under the U.S. Constitution 12th Amendment, then they have ORDERED under pain of extreme action, that the "Electors" who are to meet after the Election, and cast THEIR ballots for the one THEY as "Electors"believe should be President; that the "Electors" are to instead pick a different person as President. A person not on the ballot, but of private wealth and therefore, supposedly immune from bribery and corrupt deed. The one that would allegedly fit such a description would be U.S. Senator John D. Rockefeller 4th (D., W.Va.), who calls himself "Jay" like he is just one of the common Americans. I for one do not accept that "Jay" is above being "bought" because he already is so rich. 2. The "oil-soaked monopoly press" is under these same fascist-like orders to hint of an emergency but give no details as if they are oblivious to what is going on. It has been more than three decades since I outraged the press-fakers by beginning to identify FBI and CIA "assets" in key places at local and network media outlets. [My public access weekly Cable TV Program from time to time continues identifying the FBI and CIA "assets" within the monopoly press. As a result, the press if they admit I exist at all, have rotten things to say about our work over 43 years time.] 3. These sinister super-government operatives have contacted key "Electoral College" Electors. Informing them what they are ORDERED to do---supposedly for the survival of the nation and
Re: [CTRL] Election Crisis And FEMA ?
-Caveat Lector- Yes, and it seems I remember in the situation with the OKC bombing, and WACO, (etc.),that "THEY" also knew in advance... Why does this ''they knew in advance'' stuff always come out when there is a travesty of justice ongoing? By reporting this sort of disinformation, it makes it seem that our whole constitutional and judicial system is without a doubt, completely corrupt to the gore, --excuse me-- I mean core. And don't you know that the rest of the world is waiting with baited breath to jump at the "they" of the prey. I do not believe that the US and all it stands for past, present, and future, is totally corrupt. But, as they say, "ONE APPLE CAN SPOIL THE WHOLE BUNCH, Baby " and so it would appear that it has. WHY can't we support America, instead of stripping her of her dignity and credibility??? It seems there are more who would rather tear her down, and destroy her physically, morally and spiritually, leaving her butt-naked to the world for the world to do and have what they please of her. Where has any kind of national sense of moral turpitude gone? Most assuredly, it has gone down the sewer, and is haplessly floating out to sea. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Martin F. Abernathy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: [CTRL] Election "Crisis" And FEMA ? -Caveat Lector- [Note: This article was written a few days BEFORE the election took place, it seems that Sherman Skolnick knew ahead of time that there would be trouble once the ballots were counted]. http://www.skolnicksreport.com/eprovs.html --- EMERGENCY PROVISIONS FOR YEAR 2000 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION by Sherman H. Skolnick This is a story almost too sensitive to be posted. What do you really know about F.E.M.A., Federal Emergency Management Agency? Our research and investigation group learned a lot about FEMA as a result of an unpublicized federal lawsuit we brought against them in January, 1991. In fact, it was filed on the same day that President George Herbert Walker Bush ordered the bombing of his former long-time secret business partner in Baghdad, Saddam Hussein. We put together upwards of a thousand pages of the secret background of FEMA. Some of the appendix to the lawsuit was in compressed, reduced form so as to prevent it from being so bulky. Among other things, it pointed out the unconstitutional nature of FEMA. That is, some of the Federal Judges in the U.S. are also secretly officials of FEMA. Wearing two hats like that is on its face, unconstitutional. Various presidents, however, have entered little known dictatorial fiats into the Federal Register, or not recorded at all, mandating that in a so-called "emergency", it is forbidden for federal judges to take jurisdiction of any challenge in court to the fascist-like orders of FEMA, suspending habeas corpus, property ownership, right to travel from place to place, and more. We identified one of the U.S. District Judges in Chicago as being a secret official also of FEMA. A crony of his in the court seized upon our lawsuit, and without legal formality ordered our lawsuit "dismissed" and removed from the courthouse. No lawful citation of authority was given. And we had no legal recourse. Of course, we had no opportunity for "open court" hearing or proceedings of any kind. The corrupt bench and bar promote the idea that we as the American people proceed on the law and the facts. In important cases, it is a complete phantasy as I as a court reformer have discovered in more than 40 years of experiences. The one good thing that came out of it we added to our inside sources, even in FEMA, persons who secretly admire our work and assist us with details as best they can. Over the years, I as the head of our group, Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts, have been jailed---not for committing crimes---but for "contempt of court", for absolutely refusing to divulge sources of our data. The fact that the "authorities" hauled me away in my wheelchair, as if I were a violent bank robber, repeatedly outraged the public and after a while each time I was released. Key honchos in finance and banking, in international business, and domestic and foreign espionage agencies, have studied the Year 2000 Presidential Election. They have determined that there may be what appears to be an "Emergency" as an outgrowth of the Election. As a consequence they have sent what purport to be "U.S. Government" officials to deal with the situation. These "officials" purport to have authority ABOVE the Presidency, above the Congress, above the Courts, AND ABOVE THE CONSTITUTION. [Do not heckle me with naive protests that such is "unconstitutional", as if I do not already understand that.] What they have ordered 1. If a question remains as to the "Electoral College" vote, as provided under
[CTRL] Fox: Cuba Blames U.S. Election Confusion on Anti-Castro Exiles
-Caveat Lector- [Interesting sidenote- Kendall Coffey, Little Elians lawyer, is now representing the Gore campaign in the present unpleasentness in Florida. --MS] http://www.foxnews.com/election_night/after/cuba_us_elections.sml Cuba Blames U.S. Election Confusion on Anti-Castro Exiles Thursday, November 9, 2000 HAVANA Cuba blamed election uncertainty in Florida on foes of Fidel Castro, charging that Cuban exiles there are desperately trying to regain the political power they lost with Elian Gonzalez's return to the communist island. "A dark cloud today darkens the political scene in the United States," the Communist Party daily Granma declared Thursday in a front-page editorial. "Once again this nation pays the price for its leaders' criminal and genocidal policies toward our nation," it said. For Cuba, the recount of presidential votes across Florida, complaints of voter confusion over ballots in Palm Beach County and a smattering of reports of alleged irregularities in other areas was proof of efforts by Cuban exiles to hold on to power. "This time the mafia is going all out," said the editorial, using a term commonly employed by Cuba's leadership to describe anti-Castro exiles in Florida. The exiles are "thirsty for revenge, desirous of recouping lost ground" after losing the battle earlier this year to block 6-year-old Elian Gonzalez's return to Cuba, the editorial said. The boy, who survived a boat wreck during a journey to the United States, returned with his father in late June after a seven-month tug-of-war between the Cuban government and exiles in Florida. "Once the decisive day of the presidential elections arrived, they thought themselves capable of deciding who will be the president of the United States," Granma said of the exiles. The editorial accused the exile community of "electoral fraud as was carried out by their predecessors in Cuba before the revolution." Meanwhile, Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Roque Perez, in New York on Thursday for a U.N. visit, drew a link between the election's outcome and frequent U.S. advice to other nations. "I believe that those in the United States who have always tried to become judges of elections that take place elsewhere must be receiving a lesson of modesty and humbleness," Perez Roque said at a news conference. He added that Cuba would gladly send monitors for a new election if asked by U.S. officials. On Wednesday night, Cuban state television showed Castro mocking the American electoral process with a visit to the beach. The bearded Castro walked in the sand at the beach in his typical olive green uniform and chatted with bathing suit-clad tourists from the United States and Europe. One American man was shown giving a thumbs-down both to Vice President Al Gore and Texas Gov. George W. Bush. Regardless of who becomes American president, Castro has promised to continue resisting U.S. pressure and has said he does not believe the four-decade trade embargo against Cuba can last forever. U.S. lawmakers have made numerous proposals to ease the trade sanctions over the past year, only to have them narrowly defeated or watered down amid concerns about the Cuban-American vote in the months leading up to the presidential election. Cuban officials complain the only legislative proposal that became law the agricultural appropriation bill, which permits the export of food and medicine to Cuba makes the import of U.S. food too difficult to be practical. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A
Re: [CTRL] Four other US states may recount election votes
Title: Bush, Clinton, Gore, Dole, Republican and Democrat links now pied piper, will you kindly do a page of greater or equal value on Gore? I like to make valued decisions, of all possibilities; not be persuaded by a one-sided opinion, of so called 'gathered facts'. thank you, eagle 1 - Original Message - From: ThePiedPiper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Four other US states may recount election votes Who wants someone that has a weird family philosophy?I live in Texas and the guy is strange!Here are links to prove it. (Is this one of those Internet Rumors?)
[CTRL] PNJ: Dade County, Postal Service join local voter fraud probe
-Caveat Lector- PUBLISHED FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 2000 Dade County, Postal Service join local voter fraud probe By Scott Streater Pensacola News Journal staff writer State prosecutors in Pensacola are stepping up efforts to unravel a potentially widespread voter fraud scheme as the world watches to see who will be the next U.S. president based on a recount of Florida ballots. At issue is an absentee ballot mailed to a Pensacola voter in Miami that was intercepted, filled out and mailed back to voting officials in Escambia County. The voter's signature was forged, and the name and address of a witness on the ballot was bogus. The State Attorney's Office on Thursday requested the U.S. Postal Service in Miami, as well as the State Attorney's Office in Dade County, to help track the fraudulent ballot. State prosecutors also are sharing all information on the case with U.S. Attorney Michael Patterson's office. Elections officials and investigators fear the fraudulent ballot could be part of a much broader voter fraud scheme. "I hope it's not. But if it is, we will do everything we can to find out,'' said Assistant State Attorney Russ Edgar. A second suspicious absentee ballot found late Wednesday by local elections officials was determined to be valid. Tuesday's vote in Florida is under intense scrutiny to determine whether the state's decisive 25 electoral votes will be awarded to Texas Gov. George W. Bush or Vice President Al Gore. With the election being so tight, any hint of voter fraud is being handled with extreme caution. "This is a very serious crime,'' said Escambia County Supervisor of Elections Bonnie Jones, who said she received numerous calls Thursday concerning the fraud case from newspapers across the country. The investigation began when Todd Vinson, a law clerk residing in Miami but who is registered to vote in Pensacola, complained he never received either of two absentee ballots that elections officials said they mailed to him last month. Workers in Jones' office searched through the absentee ballots and found one with Vinson's name on it. When Jones compared the signature on the ballot with the signature on Vinson's voter registration card, the two did not match. Vinson, 28, declined Thursday to comment about the case, saying he wants the investigation to run its course. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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chaos in Florida only encouraged African dictators. It asked: "If this happens in the United States, how do you want everything to be clean and transparent in the poor African continent?" Zimbabwe's state-controlled daily, The Herald, said: "Analysts questioned whether the Americans would have accepted a recount in African elections if the ruling party candidate had been beaten, as happened in Florida." Iraq, which had previously dismissed both the American presidential candidates as equally pro-Israeli and hostile to Iraq, yesterday took the side of George W Bush. It said the delay in announcing the result was a Jewish plot to control America through Al Gore. Babel, a newspaper controlled by the eldest son of President Saddam Hussein, Uday, said the Jews in America wanted Mr Gore to win in order to give more support to Israel in its confrontation with the Palestinians. Babel said in a front page editorial: "If they (the Jews) succeed in making Gore win the election they will become the real leaders of America." Italians, whose own politics have been compared to an "opera buffa" after 58 post-war governments, had a field day. The Rome daily, La Repubblica, ran the mocking headline: "A Day worthy of a Banana Republic". The columnist Bepe Severgnini wrote in Milan's daily Corriere della Sera: "The other night when I went into a restaurant in Santa Monica, there was one president - Clinton. "When I ordered a pizza there was another one - Gore. When I paid the bill there was a third president - Bush. When I walked out on to Ocean Boulevard there was no president because Bill is now the husband of a senator from New York." German newspapers were more sanctimonious, with several arguing that America's electoral system was outdated and undermined the legitimacy of the eventual winner. Sueddeutsche Zeitung said the next president would be "a king without a kingdom." The conservative Die Welt said: "This is not a cheap novel, not a soap opera but a debacle that may reach the level of comedy and will be, in hindsight, an anecdote of a time in which politics had to painfully grasp how unfair it is to voters. "What a macabre spectacle: a giant empire with 280 million citizens sends voters to the polls to decide who should be the next American president and both candidates remain in a dead heat in a way we have not even seen in elections in Uzbekistan or Switzerland." In Moscow, an elections official said the disarray in America demonstrated the superiority of the Russian system. Alexander Veshnyakov, chairman of the Russian Central Election Committee, told the business daily Kommersant: "I think we should never adopt their electoral college system . . . Russian elections are more democratic and easier to grasp for the voters." Cuba's President Fidel Castro did not pass up the opportunity to lampoon America. State television showed him walking along the beach in his olive green uniform and boots. He ran into an unidentified American tourist and told him: "Like the majority of Americans, you have gone to the beach." The Lebanese daily, Al-Safir, had to apologise to its readers for incorrectly reporting that Mr Gore had won, but used the occasion to needle Arab dictators who stage overwhelming election victories for themselves. The paper's owner and editor Talal Salman wrote: "We offer our apologies to our readers for deciding on something that was still under way. Perhaps it is because of our deep-rooted experience of Arab democracy, particularly in Lebanon, where results are given before the poll, which is then held only to confirm the correctness of the declaration." --- Linked stories: U.N. Film Depicts World Flooded with Small Arms http://www.jointogether.org/jtodirect.jtml?U=83952O=264975 A recently released movie produced by the United Nations shows a world saturated with small arms. Clinton Concerned about Ecstasy Imports http://www.jointogether.org/jtodirect.jtml?U=83952O=264994 In an annual report on drug trafficking to the U.S. Congress, President Clinton expressed concern over the designer drug ecstasy. Bush tells Gore "Give up" http://itn.co.uk/news/20001110/world/01uselection.shtml Republican George W. Bush's campaign is insisting that Florida's vote recount confirms their man has won the presidential election. Bush's camp is calling on Al Gore to give up, even though more postal votes have still to be counted. Unofficial tallies from all 67 Florida counties indicate that Bush has won by 327 votes. = "Anarchy doesn't mean out
[CTRL] OS: Volusia County Officials Find Two Suspect Bags of Ballots
-Caveat Lector- Volusia officials find two suspect bags of ballots By Sandra Pedicini of the Olando Sentinel Staff Election officials in Volusia County have halted their search for write-in votes after finding two bags of ballots that were not properly sealed. The bags were discovered shortly after noon Friday. Officials now must count the ballots in each bag to make sure the numbers agree with precinct results that were recorded on election night. The count is expected to be completed later this afternoon. Because of discrepancies, Volusia's election canvassing board decided Thursday to hand count all 184,000 ballots cast in the county, a task that won't be completed until next week. The problems included a faulty memory card on a polling machine that on election night showed a negative 16,022 votes for Vice President Al Gore. Unofficial results in Volusia show Gore with 97,063 votes and Texas Gov. George W. Bush with 82,214. Volusia is one of four Florida counties where Democratic Party officials have demanded a full recount = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Israel (US) rejects Arafat's call for UN team in Palestine
-Caveat Lector- http://www.timesofindia.com/today/11woru1.htm Saturday 11 November 2000 Israel rejects Arafat's call for UN team in Palestine UNITED NATIONS: Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat personally appealed to the Security Council on Friday to deploy a UN force to protect Palestinian civilians, but Israel rejected any international involvement and won critical US support. Arafat appeared before the 15-member council for about 90 minutes in a stepped-up bid to involve the United Nations and other international players in trying to revive the Middle East peace process, traditionally the domain of the two sides and the Americans. The Palestinian leader was followed at the closed-door council meeting by Israeli Ambassador Yehuda Lancry, who made clear that Israel would not accept any UN force in the region since none was envisaged in previous peace accords. Lancry also rejected a compromise French proposal to deploy unarmed military observers. "What we need now is not an international presence, which really can run against the spirit of the peace process," Lancry told reporters afterwards. He called for a resumption of direct, bilateral negotiations with the Palestinians "to bring back the calm and the security and to resume the peace talks." US Ambassador Richard Holbrooke said the United States would oppose any force as long as Israel rejects it, arguing that the United Nations cannot authorise missions without the consent of the governments concerned. He stressed that the Palestinians had never discussed the proposal with Israel. "It's not that we're opposed per se to something because it came from one side or the other," Holbrooke said. "We're simply not going to support something which is unilaterally proposed without ever having been discussed with the other side directly." Despite that veiled threat of a US veto, the Palestinians said they were drafting a resolution authorising a 2,000-strong, mobile UN protection force to be deployed in Palestinian territories and Jerusalem. The resolution was expected to be circulated early next week, after US President Bill Clinton meets with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak in Washington on Sunday. Clinton met with Arafat on Thursday. "We have exhausted all possibilities for a bilateral effort in order to de-escalate the situation," said the deputy Palestinian observer, Marwan Jilani, dismissing Holbrooke's calls to consult with the Israelis. (AP) Copyright © 2000 Times Internet Limited. All rights reserved. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Liberals at CIA Plan to Woo Bush
-Caveat Lector- http://www.insightmag.com/cgi-bin/ViewNews.cfm?Item=193 Liberals at CIA Plan to Woo Bush 11/7/00 - By J. Michael Waller The CIA is ready to send a team of senior officials to Texas to lobby Gov. George W. Bush in the event he wins todays presidential election, intelligence sources tell Insight. They hope to head off an anticipated GOP-led reorganization of the agency. The sources say that Capitol Hill Republicans, who are dissatisfied with the quality of CIA analysis on a range of issues from China to missile threats, plan to recommend substantial reforms in the event Bush is elected. Meanwhile, an agency source says, an unnamed senior official in the CIAs Directorate for Intelligence, as well as other old hands, did a lot of open gloating at press reports that Bush had been arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol 24 years ago. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] AP: More on Leagality of Palm Beach Butterfly Ballot
-Caveat Lector- Dems Hope Hand Count Closes Gap By MIKE SCHNEIDER .c The Associated Press 11-10-00 1728EST DELAND, Fla. (AP) - Election workers in Volusia County were checking all of the 184,018 ballots there for write-in votes Friday as Democrats hoped for help in the still-undecided presidential election. Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade counties also were ready for the possibility of recounting hundreds of thousands of ballots by hand. And across the state, officials were waiting for what could be thousands of overseas ballots to arrive in the mail. Three days after Election Day, it was clear the election was not over in Florida. After sifting through about a third of the ballots, Volusia County election officials had found at least two that had Vice President Al Gore's name written in by voters who also filled in a bubble for the candidate. A machine would have discarded the ballots, reading them as two votes. Election officials counted them. The county's election officials planned to go over the ballots again Saturday, counting each by hand to check the figures already counted twice by machine. They planned to work 14-hour days and expected to be finished by Tuesday. An unofficial Associated Press canvass of the presidential vote in Florida showed Republican George W. Bush with a 327-vote lead over Democrat Gore. The eventual winner will take Florida's 25 electoral votes and become the nation's 43rd president. ``It's amazing what people do to these ballots,'' said Volusia County Judge Michael McDermott, the chairman of the canvassing board. ``The instructions are nice and clear.'' One voter wrote in Joseph Lieberman - Gore's running mate. The vote was thrown out. On Friday, Secretary of State Katherine Harris said Bush had 2,910,074 votes to Gore's 2,909,114, a difference of 960, with one county still to be recounted - Palm Beach County where the AP showed a big gain for Gore. The totals from the AP canvass were Bush 2,910,198, Gore 2,909,871. Florida election officials also said Friday that the Palm Beach County ballot did not violate state law as several lawsuits contend. Democrats say a poor ballot design in the county led some Gore supporters to inadvertently mark their ballots for Pat Buchanan. A circuit judge issued a preliminary injunction barring the county's canvassing commission from certifying the final recount results until a hearing Tuesday. Elsewhere in Florida: Palm Beach election officials agreed to recount ballots in three precincts by hand on Saturday. If there is a change in the count, they will then decide whether to do a recount by hand of the entire county. In Miami's Dade County, elections officials will meet Tuesday to discuss a hand recount. In Polk County, officials were rescanning ballots in 60 of 163 precincts to reconcile the number of ballots handed out with the number of votes cast. Broward election officials voted 2-1 to do a hand-recount of three precincts Monday. If there is a change, they also will consider a full hand-recount. Broward elections supervisor Jane Carroll cast the dissenting vote, saying, ``We are setting a bad precedent.'' She questioned why Democrats had asked for a manual recount only in four heavily Democratic counties rather than the entire state. One concern the Democrats said they had concerned the possibility that thousands of votes across the state were not counted because the tiny piece of paper punched out for a candidate did not completely dislodge. For example, 22,557 Palm Beach County ballots recorded no choice for president. And officials said 6,686 ballots were not counted in Broward County because the computer did not recognize any selection. In all, the Gore campaign is requesting that 1.78 million of the nearly 6 million Florida ballots cast be hand counted. ``We're looking for a quick resolution of a full, fair, accurate count,'' said Doug Hattaway, a Gore spokesman. ``There's no specific timeframe we've laid out.'' Democrats and Republicans were bringing in more than 100 people each from around the country to witness the Volusia hand recount. The county was setting up 22 stations with two election workers and a Democratic and Republican witness at each. Still a factor in the results are the ballots cast by Floridians living overseas. An informal survey of 30 of the 67 election supervisors found that they had mailed out more than 10,000. Of those, a little less than half had been returned but no information was available on how many had been counted. Election supervisors must count any overseas ballots received within 10 days of the election and postmarked by Election Day. In Palm Beach, a small groups of protesters gathered in front of the government center in downtown West Palm Beach Friday and emotions between Gore and Bush supporters continued to run high. A group of Bush supporters taunted and followed Democratic Rep. Robert Wexler outside the government center, where he was being
[CTRL] JW: On Nat'l Election: ENLIST TO HELP
-Caveat Lector- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 11/10/2000 Press Office 202-646-5172 ENLIST TO HELP JUDICIAL WATCH ENSURE A FAIR PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION RESULT IN FLORIDA CALL: 1-888-JW-ETHIC Florida Statute § 119.07 Allows Citizens To Inspect And Count Ballots (Do Not Leave It To Politicians And Special Interests Who Want To Manipulate Election Results) (Miami, FL) Earlier today, Judicial Watch held a press conference in Miami advising the people of Florida to enlist their efforts to inspect and count ballots throughout the state, as special interests such as Jesse Jackson and others have intervened to manipulate the popular will. If you would like to volunteer and inspect and count ballots, in a non-partisan effort to keep the politicians and special interests from rigging the Florida vote count, call 1-888-JW-ETHIC. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] RUE: Bush's Margin Frops in FL Election Drama
-Caveat Lector- Friday November 10 2:11 PM ET Bush's Margin Drops in Florida Election Drama By Michael Peltier TALLAHASSEE, Florida (Reuters) - Republican George W. Bush (news - web sites) on Friday led Democrat Al Gore (news - web sites) by a slim margin in the latest official vote recount in the decisive state of Florida aimed at resolving an epic crisis over who will be the next president of the United States. The count of 65 of Florida's 67 counties scored 2,910,074 votes for Bush and 2,909,114 for Gore, giving the Texas governor a lead of 960 in a state of about six million -- a little more than half his lead on Tuesday night -- the elections department said in a statement. The controversial vote has spawned a firestorm of legal suits demanding a fresh ballot, angry street protests from Gore supporters, defiant declarations of victory from the Bush campaign with Gore aides saying the election is far from over. ``It appears that the Gore campaign is attempting to unduly prolong the country's national presidential election through endless challenges to the results of the vote here in Florida,'' James Baker, a former secretary of state and Bush's emissary at the recount, told a news conference. Gore campaign chairman William Daley said earlier the Republicans had declared their man victorious prematurely after an unofficial recount gave him a razor-thin lead of 327 votes in the entire state. Daley said the Democrats would not concede anything until the legal system had run its course. The state's latest official tally did not include recounts in Hernando and Palm Beach counties, officials said. Palm Beach County was scheduled to begin a second recount of votes on Saturday. Its first recount found a swing of 643 votes to Gore, according to media reports, which would take the Bush margin down to just over 300 votes. Overseas ballots sent through the mail have until Nov. 17 to arrive so an official final count cannot be released until then. High Drama In The Final Act The Sunshine State has become the stage for the final act of an extraordinary drama to choose the 43rd president to succeed President Clinton (news - web sites) which has turned the 109th election into one of the biggest brouhahas in American political history. Florida's 25 electoral votes hold the key to Tuesday's election as neither candidate can reach the 270 votes required to win the keys to the White House without them. A recount was ordered when the state race became too close to call. In Palm Beach County, about 200 demonstrators gathered on Friday in front of the building housing the elections office for a second day of noisy protests over the disputed vote. The protesters were on both sides of the issue, some saying the election was over, others saying their fundamental right to vote had been denied. ``High-tech America, low tech voting system,'' one sign said. ''Voters should have read their sample ballot,'' said another. Protests broke out after elderly voters filed lawsuits saying the layout of the ballot sheet confused them so much they punched the wrong hole. Courts in West Palm Beach, focal point of the disputed presidential election, were officially closed on Friday for a Veteran's Day holiday, but a federal court judge was prepared to handle cases related to the disputed vote. Theresa LePore, Palm Beach county's supervisor of elections who designed the ballot, spent much of Thursday in tears, one county aide said, after she was named in lawsuits that criticized her ballot design for misleading them and sought a new election. Legal Firestorm U.S. District Judge Kenneth Ryskamp, who on Thursday presided briefly over a vote-related lawsuit that was quickly withdrawn, was on stand-by, ready to hear pleadings. ``The only pleadings we're handling is anything in connection with the vote issue,'' a U.S. District Court clerk's office spokesman told Reuters. Hundreds of voters in Palm Beach County have protested against what they said was a confusing ballot layout sheet that led them to cast votes by mistake for Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan (news - web sites) rather than their preferred candidate Gore. Some 19,000 Palm Beach ballots were disqualified because voters mistakenly punched their ballot sheet twice, effectively casting votes for two candidates. With Gore and Bush only a few hundred votes apart in Florida, the disputed Palm Beach vote could be pivotal to the outcome of the presidential election. Howard Weiss, a Boca Raton attorney who filed one of the suits on behalf of three disgruntled Palm Beach County voters, said the action seeks a new election in the county on the grounds that the ballot layout violated Florida law. The lawsuit seeks a declaratory judgement ordering a new election. Weiss said all of the lawsuits filed in Palm Beach County Circuit Court may be consolidated with his on behalf of all voters who want new elections. Florida Frenzy Brings Echoes Of Elian The frenzy
[CTRL] LVS: Statistics point to more than random error in Florida vote
-Caveat Lector- http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/weds/2000/nov/10/511018638.html Today: November 10, 2000 at 11:33:21 PST Statistics point to more than random error in Florida vote By Jace Radke [EMAIL PROTECTED] LAS VEGAS SUN At one in 49 million, the chances of hitting Megabucks on one spin are slim, but not as slim as the odds that Vice President Al Gore would make up as much ground as he has in the Florida recount, according to a UNLV study. Economics professor Tom Carroll began running statistical equations Thursday on the net gains both Gore, who gained more than 2,200 votes, and Texas Gov. George W. Bush, who added about 700 votes, have made in the recount. He found that the statistical chances for such large and different totals to occur as a result of random glitches was less than infinitesimal. "The probability of being struck by lightning is about one in a million," Carroll said. "The same person would have to be hit by lightning 30 times to compare with what we've seen in this recount." Carroll's equations assume that any problems in the original counting of ballots in Florida were caused by computer errors or innocuous human errors, and the chances that errors of this magnitude were the result of computer or human mistakes is extremely thin according to Carroll's calculations. "A recount is a 50-50 proposition, so statistically speaking, making up something like 1,700 votes is highly unlikely," Carroll said. "For this to have been just random error is statistically unlikely. It wouldn't be unlikely to see some changes in the number of votes during a recount, but the differences should come much closer to canceling each other out." Carroll, a Democrat, used the computations to illustrate a point in his Thursday night statistics class for students seeking a master's degree in business administration. "The students were flabbergasted to see what they've been learning applied to a real-life situation," Carroll said. "It really is a small, small number as far as the chances of such a big difference between the changes in the numbers of votes between the candidates. It's something like 179 zeros and then a two and a three." Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., and former Gov. Bob Miller, honorary chairman of the Gore campaign in Nevada, are among the Democratic officials nationwide questioning the chances of such irregularities showing up in the recount. "As someone who has experienced two close recounts, I know that they don't usually lead to big changes in the vote totals," Reid said at a Thursday news conference. "This election changes all the rules. In the Florida recount we've seen huge changes in the vote totals, and on top of that, there are serious allegations of voting irregularities and potential fraud. This election needs to be scrutinized closely." Reid went through a recount of Washoe County when Senator-elect John Ensign attempted to win Reid's seat in 1998. On election night Reid won by 401 votes, and after the recount the final margin was 428. Bush had a 1,784-vote election night lead over Gore. After the recount, the unofficial margin for Bush is 327 votes. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ELECTION STATEMENT FROM SECRETARY JAMES A.BAKER III
-Caveat Lector- STATEMENT FROM SECRETARY JAMES A. BAKER III The American people voted on November 7. Governor George W. Bush won 31 states with a total of 271 electoral votes. The vote in Florida was very close, but when it was counted, Governor Bush was the winner. Now, three days later, the vote in Florida has been recounted. Over two-thirds of the state election supervisors overseeing the recount are Democrats. At the end of this recount, Governor Bush is still the winner, subject only to counting the overseas ballots, which have traditionally favored the Republican candidate. No evidence of vote fraud either in the original vote or in the recount has been presented. Now the Gore campaign is calling for yet another recount in selective and predominantly Democratic counties where there were unexplained large vote swings in their favor in the recount. It appears that the Gore campaign is attempting to unduly prolong the country's national Presidential election through endless challenges to the results of the vote here in Florida. Furthermore, the more often ballots are recounted, especially by hand, the more likely it is that human errors, like lost ballots, and other risks, will be introduced. This frustrates the very reason why we have moved from hand counting to machine counting. Let me say a word specifically about the Palm Beach ballot. There is a rule of law to be followed for elections. The state of Florida has established legal procedures to design, approve, publish and, if need be, to protest ballots before the election. The ballot was designed by a Democratic elections supervisor. She approved it. The Democratic Party did not question it before the election. This "butterfly"-type ballot was used in recent elections in the same county under the same rules. Again, the Democrats did not complain. The overwhelming majority of voters who used the ballot understood it and cast valid votes. Our lawyers have confirmed the legality of this ballot, and we have copies of the relevant Florida statute available for you to see. The Gore campaign has also tried to make a lot of the fact that double marked ballots are not counted. A key principle in America is one person, one vote. If we have ballots with two votes, of course we cannot count them or guess about them. Ballots that are double-marked can't be evidence of the voter's intent to vote one way or another. No jurisdiction in the United States would accept such a ballot as a valid vote, and Florida law specifically does not. It happens in every precinct in every election. And the procedure is clear: These ballots must be disregarded. We understand, and I understand personally, that it is frustrating to lose by a narrow margin. But it happens. It happened to the Republican Presidential candidates in 1960 and 1976. Both Vice President Nixon and President Ford put the country's interest first. They accepted the vote for the good of the country. It is important that there be some finality to the election process. What if we insisted on recounts in other states that are very close? For example, in Wisconsin, Iowa, (and if we don't win) New Mexico. Let the country step back a moment, pause, and think about what's at stake. This may be the last chance. There is no reasonable end to this process if it slips away. The purpose of our national election is to establish a "Constitutional government," not unending legal wrangling. We will therefore vigorously oppose the Gore campaign's efforts to keep recounting until it likes the result. For the good of the country and the sake of our standing in the world, the campaigning should end, and the business of an orderly transition should begin. STATEMENT FROM BUSH COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR KAREN HUGHES: "The vote count on Tuesday night showed Governor Bush won Florida's election, and a recount has now confirmed his victory. The only votes left to be counted are the overseas absentee ballots, which in the past have favored Republican candidates. Bob Dole carried the overseas ballots in Florida in 1996 by a margin of 54 to 40 percent, even though he lost the election in Florida. We hope Vice President Gore and his campaign will reconsider their threats of lawsuits or still more recounts, which could undermine the constitutional process of selecting a President and has no foreseeable end." = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters
[CTRL] GOP's list of voter irregularities in Milwaukee
-Caveat Lector- http://www.jsonline.com/election2000/nov00/fraud-list111000.asp GOP's list of voter irregularities in Milwaukee Last Updated: Nov. 10, 2000 Following is the text of a list of allegations of voter irregularity and fraud in Milwaukee collected by the Wisconsin Republican Party and turned over to the Milwaukee County district attorney's office on Friday: Incident: Marquette students were seen taking 10 or more ballots at a time. Incident: Ballots were taken out of the polling place. Incident: Individuals entered the voting place with more than one addressed envelope and asked which one would allow them to vote in that location. Incident: A voter was asked by another voter to vouch for her residence in the ward. He said he wouldn't, and the woman appealed to another person in line. The other person claimed to poll workers that she is his roommate. Incident: A voter was told that she had already voted upon arriving at her polling place. She was asked to sign an affidavit verifying who she was and was not told what happened to her first ballot. Incident: Polling place had a "help yourself" pile of ballots. Voters could have easily voted more than once. Incident: Ballots were left sitting on a chair prior to being fed through the machine. Poll workers were seen looking through them. Incident: UWM student voted on campus. Another voter showed his off campus address to a poll worker. The poll worker told him, "you can't vote here, put down (address of dorm) instead." Same student said friends were bragging about having voted for Gore five or six times. Incident: Voter was told that his marks on the ballot were too dark, and asked to re-do the ballot. The voter did not see the other ballot destroyed. Incident: Ballot machine was not operating. The ballots were being stacked in a pile for workers to run through later. Incident: Ballots may have been left unattended in some areas of Milwaukee due to a broken down truck. Incident: Marquette students voted 5 or 6 times for Al Gore. Incident: Two ballots were given to a man wearing a Milwaukee County Public Schools jacket. When he tried to return a ballot, he was told that he should have two. Incident: Poll workers told a voter to "vote democrat". Incident: A voter tried to register to vote at the 4th Precinct in the 72nd Ward of Milwaukee. He was not asked for identification or proof of address. Poll workers tried to prevent him from filling out a registration card. Registration cards that he observed only had a signature, no address. Incident: Ward 296, District 16, called the city clerk to verify what was needed to re-register at a new address. When they re-registered, they were not asked for any proof of residence. Incident: Non-registered voters were not asked for identification at the 6th District polling place. Incident: A new voter was not required to show any identification at the Cumberland School in Whitefish Bay. Incident: A Marquette student had moved since voting in the April primary. Poll workers told her "not to worry about it and just go ahead and vote" when she attempted to change her address. Incident: A voter was given three different ballots due to mistakes he made on them. The two previous ballots were not seen destroyed. Incident: Ballot machine in Wauwatosa was broken, and until the machine was fixed, ballots were stacked next to the machine. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory
[CTRL] PBP: N. Florida county tries to fill in blanks on ballots
-Caveat Lector- N. Florida county tries to fill in blanks on ballots By Mary Ellen Klas, Palm Beach Post Capital Bureau Friday, November 10, 2000 QUINCY -- In a small side-street office of this rural North Florida town, four county officials -- all of them Democrats -- spent seven hours Wednesday examining every pencil mark on 2,073 ballots that had been rejected by Gadsden County's ballot scanning machine to try to reconstruct what the voters meant. The machine was calibrated to reject any ballot that had anything from a stray mark to an extra vote for a candidate. But rather than reject these ballots outright -- as they did in Palm Beach County and many other counties that use punch ballots -- the practice of the Gadsden County canvassing board is to look at each questionable ballot to try to determine the intent of each voter. Some voters colored in the circle for one candidate, crossed it out and then filled in a circle for another. Others filled in the circle for a candidate, then wrote the name of the same candidate in the write-in space, as if for emphasis. '`The only ones we reconstructed were the ones we could tell the intent of the voter," explained Sterling Watson, a county commissioner and member of the canvassing board. Watson, two other county commissioners and a county judge were the people trying to read the minds of their fellow voters. This county, the most Democratic in the state, cast 16,812 votes in the presidential race, 66 percent of them for Vice President Al Gore. When campaign officials for both Gore and his Republican opponent, Texas Gov. George W. Bush, learned of the uncounted ballots, they dispatched election law lawyers to the tiny town. When the Gadsden officials began at 3 p.m, they suspected the results of their efforts had the potential to change the outcome of the presidential race. When they ended their recount at 10 p.m., they found only 170 additional votes for Gore, 17 additional votes for Bush and the threat of a lawsuit from the Florida Republican Party. "They're not simply recounting the votes they counted (election) night, they're adding ballots by taking into consideration ballots that were not considered," said Ken Sukhia, a Tallahassee attorney representing the Republican Party. County officials justified their actions, saying they simply forgot to review the ballots before they certified them to the secretary of state on election night. "It was not done. It should have been done," said Watson. "This is Gadsden County, we get a lot of concerns about the ballot box. We wanted to do it to make sure we had the most accurate count." = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NM: BREAKING NEWS: GOP Plans Suit to Stop Hand Recount
-Caveat Lector- http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/11/10/160117.shtml Breaking: GOP Plans Suit to Stop Hand Recount NewsMax.com Friday, Nov. 10, 2000 4:56 p.m. EST Breaking news: NewsMax.com has learned from high-level Bush campaign officials that the Republican Party in Florida is planning to file a lawsuit to stop any hand recount of votes that is planned over the next several days in Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade counties. Developing; stay tuned for details. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] PBP: Judge freezes ballots until next week
-Caveat Lector- "The need for a [second!] recount became even more apparent when it was discovered in the first recount that votes from one precinct were not counted on election night. An elections worker hit the wrong button, erasing the results." "One reason for [Gore's closing-the-gap], a county employee pushed the wrong button while recording votes from precinct 29E, west of Lake Worth, where voters favored Gore over Bush 368 to 23. ...The `clear' button was hit instead," said LePore. 'It was just an operator error.'" http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/today/news_1.html Judge freezes ballots until next week By Scott Hiaasen, Marc Caputo and Joel Engelhardt Palm Beach Post Staff Writers Friday, November 10, 2000 WEST PALM BEACH -- A circuit judge seized control of Palm Beach County's presidential ballots Thursday, bringing the courts into an election that has made the county the epicenter of a growing political crisis. Palm Beach County Circuit Judge Kathleen Kroll issued a temporary injunction Thursday night preventing the county's elections canvassing board from releasing the ballots before a court hearing next week. The injunction was requested by Beverly Rogers and Ray Kaplan, two Boca Raton voters who filed a lawsuit saying they and thousands like them were cheated out of their right to vote because the county's two-sided ballot was illegally confusing. Challenges from voters, protests in the streets and a request by Vice President Al Gore pressured the canvassing board Thursday to agree to a manual recount of more than 4,600 votes on Saturday. This, after a state-mandated, electronic recount on Wednesday discovered 865 votes that went uncounted on election night. The board also agreed to George W. Bush's request for an electronic recount of all 461,000 ballots. That count, also set for Saturday, will mark the third time the ballots have been run through the machines. The need for a recount became even more apparent when it was discovered in the first recount that votes from one precinct were not counted on election night. An elections worker hit the wrong button, erasing the results. On Thursday, the three members of the canvassing board -- Elections Supervisor Theresa LePore, County Commissioner Carol Roberts and County Judge Charles Burton -- met before a dozen television cameras and decided not to send any of the county's votes to the state for approval until the many challenges to the ballot are heard. The hand count could reveal discrepancies that would help Democrats attack the Palm Beach County ballot in court. It also could validate ballots previously considered invalid. Meanwhile, more than 19,000 votes in the presidential election were declared invalid because people voted for two presidents. So this weekend, with the whole world watching and the balance of a presidential election potentially at stake, teams of people selected by the board will eyeball thousands of ballots, literally holding them to the light to check for irregularities. The teams -- which should have Democrats and Republicans -- will pull ballots from at least three precincts, representing 1 percent of the ballots cast. The precincts will be chosen by the Democratic Party, which filed the protest. The canvassing board must decide today the number of people for the hand counting and who they will be. LePore, who has become the target of national scrutiny over the ballot questions, is a Democrat, as is Roberts; Burton is a Republican recently appointed judge by Bush's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush. The canvassing board agreed Thursday to allow two members each from the Republican and Democratic parties to observe the elections in the manual- and machine-counting rooms. Any confusing ballots found in the hand count will be given to the board members, who could be asked to look at ballots and decide for whom they were cast. If discrepancies are found that appear to threaten the integrity of the election, the canvassing board could request a hand count of every ballot in the county. After the hand count, all of Tuesday's 461,000 ballots will be rechecked by machine at the request of the Republican Party, suspicious because most of those newfound votes went to Gore and carved into Bush's narrow lead in Florida. One reason for that, a county employee pushed the wrong button while recording votes from precinct 29E, west of Lake Worth, where voters favored Gore over Bush 368 to 23. "The `clear' button was hit instead," said LePore. "It was just an operator error." The Gore campaign also requested manual recounts in Volusia, Miami-Dade and Broward counties, hoping to make up ground in an agonizingly close election. Broward's canvassing board will meet today to discuss the request by the head of the county's Democratic Executive Committee, who said 7,000 votes there went uncounted. According to an unofficial Associated Press estimate, Gore trailed by just over 200 votes after a recount
[CTRL] Liberals at CIA Plan to Woo Bush
-Caveat Lector- Liberals at CIA Plan to Woo Bush 11/7/00 - By J. Michael Waller The CIA is ready to send a team of senior officials to Texas to lobby Gov. George W. Bush in the event he wins todays presidential election, intelligence sources tell Insight. They hope to head off an anticipated GOP-led reorganization of the agency. The sources say that Capitol Hill Republicans, who are dissatisfied with the quality of CIA analysis on a range of issues from China to missile threats, plan to recommend substantial reforms in the event Bush is elected. Meanwhile, an agency source says, an unnamed senior official in the CIAs Directorate for Intelligence, as well as other old hands, did a lot of open gloating at press reports that Bush had been arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol 24 years ago. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FR: Palm Beach Fraud
-Caveat Lector- Here is a post on Free Republic that gives an explanation for those 19,000 corrupted ballots in Palm Beach. And how to verify the theory. http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3a0c85230a29.htm = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SFC: The Land That Can't Follow Arrows
-Caveat Lector- [This was written before tales of fraud started to emerge (referring to the Haitian stories). Will the reform wing of the Dem party finally assert itself? --MS] http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/11/10/ED88626.DTL "Let us cede this much: Democrats should never make fun of the intelligence of Republicans again." The Land That Can't Follow Arrows By Debra J. Saunders Friday, November 10, 2000 THIS COUNTRY is suffering from a surplus of irony and a deficit of shame. And things promise only to get worse until this election is settled. Shame? Start with that noted good-government maven Bill Daley -- Gore campaign chairman and son of the late Chicago Mayor Richard Daley of voter-fraud fame. Yesterday, a righteous Daley announced that the Gore campaign would stand against "the disenfranchisement of thousands of Floridians." Who are those disenfranchised Floridians? Some 19,000 Palm Beach County voters who proudly proclaim that they couldn't understand a simple voting ballot, the now-famous butterfly ballot, even though an arrow pointed to the hole punch for Al Gore. Rather than ask for a new ballot, they voted for both Gore and pitchfork pol Pat Buchanan, they claim, thereby disqualifying their own votes. It's hard to figure which is more disturbing: the fact that many of these people drive automobiles, even though they can't follow an arrow, or that so many people have been willing to go on television to admit that they misunderstood simple instructions, voted twice in the presidential election and didn't bother to correct their mistakes at the polling place. An estimated 268,945 Palm Beach County voters actually figured out how to vote for the Gore-Lieberman ticket, but by the time this controversy is over, expect a quarter of them to have appeared on television saying they think they voted for the wrong candidate. Team Bush dug up some information that truly casts a shadow on Palm Beach voters. In 1996, it turns out, the county rejected 14,872 ballots for double counting, and that was with the old type of ballot. Let us cede this much: Democrats should never make fun of the intelligence of Republicans again. There is no reason to believe there was fraud in Palm Beach. The county election supervisor who is behind the design of the ballot is a Democrat. Sample ballots were sent to voters, who had a chance to study their ballots before they voted. None of the above matters. Nor does it matter that there is no sign of fraud in Palm Beach electioneering. Still, Team Gore has announced that, having lost those needed votes, it plans to go to court for a ruling to overturn the vote, perhaps resulting in a revote. It is too typical. They didn't win by following the rules, so they want to change the rules, even after the game has been played. The truly scary part: There may be recounts in Iowa, New Hampshire and Wisconsin. Oregon has a close count and is still counting ballots. If Democratic voters in counties in those states don't like their ballot forms, if they make mistakes which they claim robbed them of their franchise, do they get to vote again, too? What if Republicans whine that they would have gone to the polls if they knew their guy wasn't losing? Do they get a second chance? Bush League, to its credit, wouldn't ask for a second-chance vote. It limits its folly to leaking news of the dream Bush Cabinet, even as the Dems try to delegitimize a Bush victory, if there is one. Some Republicans have pushed Gore to cede Florida if he loses the recount. Wrong. Gore has every right to ask for a hand count. He owes it to his supporters to make sure that he gets credit for every legal vote for his campaign. The same goes for George W. Bush. If he wants a recount, he should ask for one. Meanwhile, Gore should not go to court, or threaten to sue, to try to change votes that may have been unintended, but were not the result of deliberate fraud. Keep it up, and history will brand Al Gore the greatest poor loser in American history. E-mail Debra J. Saunders at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ©2000 San Francisco Chronicle Page A27 SectionsNorth = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said,
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Lundberg on line
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan wrote: -- Subject: Lundberg on line Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:03:32 -0600 From: "Linda Minor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Kris Millegan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sovereigntylibrary/0303%20soccriticismlibrary /030304lundberg/030304toc.html THE RICH AND THE SUPER-RICH A Study in the Power of Money Today BY FERDINAND LUNDBERG Lyle Stuart, Inc. New York Good one. This book started my real education. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bush forces seek court order to stop manual recounts in Florida
-Caveat Lector- Bush forces pressure Gore to give up the fight, concede By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press (November 10, 2000 11:28 p.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - George W. Bush gave a top adviser authority Friday night to seek a court order stopping Al Gore's campaign from securing manual recounts of contested ballots in Florida, as both sides of an improbably deadlocked presidential election looked to the judicial branch for help in the make-or- break state. In a war of nerves, Bush's camp pressed Al Gore to concede Florida without multiple recounts yet Democrats pressed ahead with their protests - determined to find enough votes to erase Bush's advantage in initial counting. "The quicker we get this resolved the better off it is for the nation," said Bush, even as his camp considered whether to seek the injunction. Replied Gore campaign chairman William Daley: "This campaign is not over." That is what worried some Democrats across the country, who sought to carefully balance support for Gore with suggestions that his options were dwindling. "I think that people's patience is going to be fairly limited," said Gov. Jim Hodges of South Carolina. "He needs to rise above it and say, 'So be it.' You deal with the hand you're dealt," said Paul Feleciano, longest serving Democrat in the Kansas Legislature. Bush clung to a razor-thin lead in Florida - the crucial White House state with its 25 electoral votes - after county officials completed a machine- counted review of the 6 million ballots cast. Still to come were an unknown number of votes from Floridians living overseas and the state's official certification, due next Tuesday. In Florida, Gore advisers cited confusing and irregular ballots to press for follow-up recounts by hand in four predominantly Democratic counties. They won approval in three - one recount began Friday, two more Saturday - and the fourth request will be heard Tuesday. In a late-night conference call Friday, Bush gave James A. Baker III - the former secretary of state who's protecting the Texas governor's interests in Florida - authority to seek a court injunction barring the manual recounts, according to several GOP officials involved in the discussions. The officials said it was very likely the injunction would be sought, but stressed that it was up to Baker to make the final decision. A source close to Baker said the former secretary had not decided. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity. The decision, however tentative, underscores the Bush campaign's concern that a widespread manual recount could undermine his fragile lead over Gore and perhaps force Bush to seek recounts of his own in Florida and other close-voting states. Baker had said earlier that he's prepared to "vigorously fight" the manual recount because they open the process to mistakes and fraud that are avoided by machine counts. To buy some time, Gore's lawyers asked the state's Republican secretary of state late Friday to defer certification of the results until the manual recounts are complete. The recounts could drag on, though canvassing board members face fines of $200 a day after Tuesday. Republicans were getting into the act: At Bush's request, Palm Beach County officials will perform a mechanical recount Saturday of all ballots while conducting a separate recount by hand for Gore. "The entire effort that's going on now in Florida is aimed at making sure that whoever takes office in January as president of the United States will do so with full legitimacy," Gore running mate Joseph Lieberman told CBS. "As frustrating as this wait may be," Daley said earlier, "what we are seeing here is democracy in action." Frustrated described Bush to a T. "We will be prepared" to take office Jan. 20, the governor told reporters, taking a break from planning what he hopes will be a transition to power. He and his aides acknowledged that he can't claim victory before the overseas votes are counted and certified. "There are still votes to be counted," Bush said. And so Republicans moved on several fronts to blunt Gore's ballot challenges. Bush strategists considered seeking recounts in GOP areas of Florida if Democrats started having success in their recounts, a senior strategist said. Other responses to Gore's tactics: Bush's camp portrayed him as a man deep in planning for the presidency, victory nearly assured. "The vote on Tuesday night showed Governor Bush won Florida's election, and a recount now confirmed his victory," spokeswoman Karen Hughes said in a statement released at 5:30 a.m. EST, catching the first wave of the media cycle. Strategists eyed other close-voting states in case Florida falls to Gore. Republicans in Wisconsin said they found ballot irregularities. And Baker, speaking of recount drives, said ominously: "That game can be played" by both sides. Bush aides said Gore should concede the state and the White House if the initial recount and next week's certification
[CTRL] Bush's Election Hangover Photo
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He looks drunk to me, or at least has a bad hangover, or perhaps flesh eating disease
from injecting
Mexican brown heroin (the latter is meant as humor).
http://www.nandotimes.com/front/story/0,1108,500278519-500436586-502785232-0,00.html
Karen Hughes looked really bad on CNN today also. No makeup, face looking broken out.
Worse every
day. What's going on? Maybe they got hit by chemtrails?
Steve
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Re: [CTRL] Bush forces seek court order to stop manual recounts in Florida
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Naturally. Bush does not want to let the world know of the fraud perpetuated
in Florida by his brother brother Jeb. After all the Bush family expected Jeb
to 'deliver' Florida. Whatever that means to a CIA dad. Maybe Jeb was not
so good at doing this, although he tried really hard in a little Bush sort of
way.
His father says he does not like to hear the bad things people are saying
about Jeb. I did not know they were saying these things. But I can certainly
understand why.
Steve
On 10 Nov 00, at 21:07 Nando/AP wrote:
An unofficial tally by The Associated Press in Florida's 67 counties showed
the Texas governor with a 327-vote lead. State officials said their recount
showed Bush leading by 960 votes with one county left. That was Palm
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[CTRL] Update: NM: Breaking: GOP Mulls Suit to Stop Hand Recount
-Caveat Lector- http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2000/11/10/160117.shtml Breaking: GOP Mulls Suit to Stop Hand Recount NewsMax.com Saturday, Nov. 11, 2000 12:02 a.m. EST NewsMax.com has learned from high-level Bush campaign officials that the Republican Party in Florida is planning to file a lawsuit to stop any hand recount of votes that is planned over the next several days in Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade counties. But hand counts were already taking place, CNSNews.com said Friday. According to the Florida Department of State - Division of Elections' Web site, there were "hand counts being conducted in some Florida counties at this time. These results are not 'official' until all 67 counties have certified their results to the Division of Elections. The deadline for official certification is November 14, 2000," CNSNews.com reported. The division's Web site adds that "overseas absentee ballots postmarked no later than November 7th and received within 10 days (November 17th) from the date of the election will also be counted and certified to the Division of Elections." Confirmed by Associated Press Bush gave adviser James A. Baker III authority Friday night to seek a court order stopping Gore's campaign from securing manual recounts of contested ballots in Florida, the Associated Press confirmed late Friday. According to AP: In a late-night conference call Friday, Bush gave Baker, a former secretary of state who is protecting the Texas governor's interests in Florida, authority to seek an injunction barring the manual recounts, according to GOP officials involved in the discussions. The officials said it was likely the injunction would be sought, but stressed that it was Baker's call. The action, though tentative, reveals the Bush campaign's concern that a widespread manual recount could erase his slim lead over Gore and perhaps force Bush to seek recounts of his own in Florida and other close-voting states. Baker had said earlier that he was prepared to ``vigorously fight'' the manual recounts because they open the process to mistakes and fraud that are avoided by machine counts. To buy some time, Gore's lawyers asked the state's Republican secretary of state late Friday to defer certification of the results until the manual recounts are complete. The recounts could drag on, though canvassing board members face fines of $200 a day after Tuesday. Republicans were getting into the act: At Bush's request, Palm Beach County officials will perform a mechanical recount today of all ballots while conducting a separate recount by hand for Gore, the AP said. Read more on this subject in related Hot Topics: snip = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYT: Bush and Advisers, Confident of a Victory, No Problemas
-Caveat Lector- [Bushes really *DO* "take the cake." Just CONTEMPLATE FOR A FEW SECONDS the audacity in this!] http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/11/politics/11ELEC.html New York Times Saturday, November 11, 2000 Bush and Advisers, Confident of a Victory in Recount, Urge Gore Not to Stand in Way By FRANK BRUNI AUSTIN, Tex., Nov. 10 Gov. George W. Bush and his advisers said today that they were moving forward with preparations for a new administration and beseeched Vice President Al Gore not to stand in their way, cautioning that legal challenges to the election could yield wrangling without end. Although they acknowledged that there were absentee ballots in Florida still to be tallied, they said that a nearly complete recount of the overwhelming majority of votes demonstrated that Mr. Bush had won both the state and the presidency, though barely. "The vote here in Florida was very close, but when it was counted Governor Bush was the winner," Mr. Bush's chief representative in Florida, James A. Baker III, said at a news conference today. "For the good of the country and for the sake of our standing in the world, the campaigning should end and the business of an orderly transition should begin," Mr. Baker, a former secretary of state, said. The latest results from Tuesday's election contined to show Mr. Gore with a lead in the nationwide popular vote, by a margin of 218,441 votes. But in Florida, whose 25 electoral votes hold the key to the outcome, Mr. Bush led by 327 votes, according to the latest unofficial tally of votes that were recounted over the past few days. In their comments today, Mr. Bush and his aides tailored their words and actions to underscore the assertion that Mr. Bush had, essentially, won the election by winning Florida. When Mr. Bush spoke briefly with reporters at the governor's mansion here this afternoon, the placement of his chair and the tableau of advisers around him evoked a meeting in the Oval Office. "It's in our country's best interest that we plan in a responsible way for a possible administration," said Mr. Bush, making his first public comments in more than 48 hours. The strain of one of the strangest weeks in the history of American politics was obvious in his eyes, which looked tired, and his speech, which was halting and faint. "I am mindful that there are still votes to be counted," he added, referring to the absentee ballots, which the Bush campaign believes will strongly favor the Texas governor. But, Mr. Bush said, "I think it's up to us to prepare the groundwork for an administration that will be ready to function on Day One." Sitting near him were Dick Cheney, his would-be vice president, and Andrew Card, the likely chief of staff in a Bush White House. Both men were scheduled to meet with Mr. Bush at his ranch near Waco this weekend. As Mr. Bush took a tentative half- step toward the presidency, his advisers and the vice president's aides battled over the propriety of the manual recounts of votes in several Florida counties that were set to begin tomorrow. "The more often ballots are recounted, especially by hand, the more likely it is that human errors, like lost ballots and other risks, will be introduced," Mr. Baker said. "This frustrates the very reason why we have moved from hand counting to machine counting." According to several Republican officials, the Bush campaign was considering the possibility of seeking a legal injunction against the recounts, but campaign officials had not reached a decision late tonight. The State of Florida has already conducted a mechanical recount of votes, and the Bush and Gore campaigns waged a heated war of words today over whether that was enough, each side claiming the moral high ground and dressing its actions in the garb of patriotism. Concerning one of the disputes, the Florida secretary of state, Katherine Harris, said today that the so-called butterfly ballot used in Palm Beach County, which led to some confusion among voters on Tuesday, was legal. But Gore campaign officials continued to insist that it was illegal. Beyond Florida, other states in which the candidates ran neck and neck threatened to become scenes of prolonged legal action and intensive scrutiny of the voting process. Republican officials strongly hinted that if the Gore campaign pressed its case in Florida, they might follow suit in states like Wisconsin and Iowa that Mr. Bush lost by thin margins. That specter hovered between the lines of comments made by Mr. Baker at a news conference in a room in the Senate Office Building in Tallahassee. Mr. Baker used phrases like "rule of law," "the good of the country" and "the sake of our standing in the world" to call on Mr. Gore and his advisers to accept defeat providing that the uncounted absentee ballots did not cut in their favor and move on. "Let the country step back for a minute and pause and think about what's at stake here," said Mr. Baker, using a tone of moral
[CTRL] LT: Even liberals are shocked by the Gore camps tactics
-Caveat Lector- [Here's another sick twist on things. --MS] London Times-November 11, 2000 Even liberals are shocked by the Gore camps tactics IN THE aftermath of Tuesdays voting Al Gore has followed the kind of scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners strategy adopted by President Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal in attempting to sway public opinion in his favour. The campaign continues, his chief aide, William Daley, said after Mr Gore revoked his concession to George W. Bush on election night. Daley wasnt kidding. Election campaigns in this country are increasingly conducted without reference to even minimal decency, but the name-calling usually ends on election day because, once the votes have been cast, it serves no useful purpose. That tradition of civility would have been especially welcome at this unparalleled moment, with the uncertainty about the elections outcome threatening the stability of the somewhat shaky financial markets and surely tempting anti-American forces around the world, who might see the present crisis as an opportunity to test this nations resolve and spirit with terror bombs. Instead, the continuing Gore campaign is fomenting discord based almost entirely on a ballot in one of Floridas 67 counties that had a confusing design. The campaigns claim is that 19,000 voters were disenfranchised because they punched two holes in the presidential ballot. It dispatched the rabble-rouser Jesse Jackson to South Florida to conduct a street demonstration that he shamefully and shamelessly likened to the civil rights protest in the city of Selma, Alabama, in 1965. Disenfranchisement is a very serious charge it suggests a purposeful effort to deny people the right to vote but in the presidential election of 1996, in the same county and with many fewer voters showing up, about 15,000 ballots were invalidated for the same reason. Since the county in question is Democratic in composition and the margin separating Mr Gore and Mr Bush in the state is well under 1,000, the Gore campaign baldly advanced the argument, before the recount was completed, that their man is the true victor in Florida and therefore the rightful President-elect. If the will of the people is to prevail, Mr Daley said, Al Gore should be awarded a victory in Florida and be our next President. It was shocking to see Mr Daley arrogate to himself the role of Jean-Jacques Rousseaus legislator, determining the will of the people through the workings of his own superior intelligence. While it would be forgivable in the midst of an election campaign, it is inexcusable at a time of national crisis. This was astounding not only to conservatives, but to liberals as well, such as the leader-writers of The Washington Post, who wrote: Its a poisonous thing to say in these extraordinary and unsettling circumstances, and Mr Gore makes a huge mistake if he fails promptly to disown it. Mr Gore disowned nothing, and if he did so it would be a disingenuous act. The Vice-President surely approved Mr Daleys statement. At this moment, above all moments, Americans need to be reminded by their leaders that this is a nation governed not by the will of the people, but by the rule of law, which derives its legitimacy from the democratic electoral process. Laws govern elections. Some people may indeed have been so stupid that they cast their ballots incorrectly (I was once equally stupid, casting a vote absent-mindedly for Walter Mondale in 1984 when I wanted to vote for Ronald Reagan), but their inability to read a ballot correctly does not give them the presumptive right to have a do-over. It is, after all, impossible to know in a state where six million voted how many Republican idiots elsewhere in Florida spoilt their ballots and had them invalidated. Ballots are not and should not be subjected to Talmudic interpretation unless there is evidence of deliberate and conscious fraud or tampering. If a precedent is set in this matter, the process by which Americans cast their vote will begin to deconstruct itself. Thats what Al Gore has done at a time of crisis. He is trying to get Americans to call into question the rule of law for his own personal gain. After this fiasco, theres every reason to believe he would make an appalling President. The author is a columnist for the New York Post. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy
[CTRL] Massive fraud is taking place in Florida's ballot counting
-Caveat Lector- [Here's another warped twist for ya. You gotta admit, this election REALLY IS cool:)--MS] http://hometown.aol.com/baffauthor/stealing.html If you are concerned about who is trying to sell America, and who is behind him, you must read this book! Click on book cover for ordering information Massive fraud is taking place in Florida's ballot counting...but the thief in the night is not Bush. By Jon Christian Ryter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Copyright 2000 - All Rights Reserved Make no mistake about it, there has been massive voter fraud in the State of Florida--and not just on November 7. It has continued unabated, and will continue, until Al Gore has enough votes to steal Palm Beach County, hijack the Election of 2000 and steal America. Before the votes were cast on Nov. 7, Al Gore told the news media that if he won Florida he would win the election. How prophetic. Before detailing the voter fraud that was instigated in Florida by the Gore campaign with the help of a few black activists like the very unreverand Jesse Jackson (every elitist white liberal's lackey), it is important to note why Florida's 25 electoral votes were so critical to a Gore victory, because more than 25 electoral votes were at stake. Gore knew it...so did his opponent, Texas governor George W. Bush. First, Gore needed to be able to show the western States--whose polls would still be open--that he could carry a "Bush" stronghold (since he knew he couldn't carry Texas). Second, he needed to rack up a strong electoral vote lead to discourage conservative voters in the western States from going on to vote, influencing his chances of carrying those States will fewer votes cast. Second, Gore knew he would carry the traditionally union-controlled, liberal urban centers throughout America, but that he would lose the suburban and rural areas where traditional values reigned, and where honesty and ethics were cornerstone characteristics the voters expected in their Presidents. Gore, whose pollsters had been canvassing rural America, knew that as well. (Which was precisely why the Gore campaign found an obliging white lackey to release the 24-year old story about George W. Bush's drunk driving conviction in Kennebunkport, Maine.) It was designed specifically to blunt Bush's edge in the "honesty polls" by suggesting that Bush had either lied and concealed negative facts about his life. Gore's campaign decided to use an old Cook County, Illinois trick to steal the election--they decided to vote the recently deceased in Palm Beach County (which really makes you wonder what member of the Gore inner circle thought that one up. It was an election day trick that worked well in 1960 to deliver Cook County and the national election of John F. Kennedy). Is it a mere coincidence that Gore's campaign manager is none other than William Daley, the son of Chicago mayor Big Bill Daley who delivered the "dead" vote in Cook County that assured Kennedy's election in 1960? There was only one problem with the strategy in Florida...and particularly in Palm Beach County. The precinct workers were just a little too observant, and many of "dead ringers" were caught before the could cast their paid ballots for the champion of the welfare class, Albert A. Gore, Jr. According to a November 9 Reuters report, many of those paid voters--who were black--were caught when precinct workers noticed that the voters' race didn't match up with racial identities in the voting records. In addition, according to Reuters, the Jesse Jackson "get-out-and-vote" campaign, which also netted Gore hundreds of "paid" voters (many, it was reported elsewhere, were paid off in cigarettes), most of whom were unregistered homeless people with a handful of convicted felons thrown in (who, by law, cannot vote). Cigarettes are, after all, over $25 a carton now, and are a luxury that most street people can't even steal since most supermarkets today lock their cigarettes up behind plexiglass. Most of them were turned away because [a] they were not registered voters, and [b] they had no veriafiable residencies in Palm Beach County. These "disenfranchised" Americans (Jesse Jackson's words) were the basis of the NAACP's charge that black voters were not allowed to cast their vote--an allegation that reeked of "Bush discrimination" against minorities that they knew would vote for Gore. Clearly, most of those paid voters would have voted for the Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan for a carton of cigarettes--even private label. It should be obvious to anyone who is not dead from the neck up that if that type of Gore-Daley "vote-the dead" fraud was taking place in a Gore stronghold in Florida, it was taking place on a rampant scale in every major urban center in the United States, and very likely explains how the most integrity-challenged, ethically corrupt, morally-bankrupt man in America could achieve what appears to be a popular vote majority in any State,
