[CTRL] BREAKING: NYP: MEMO: HILL PUSHED FOR COKE PARDON
-Caveat Lector- NYPOST MEMO: HILL PUSHED FOR COKE PARDON By BRIAN BLOMQUIST and DEBORAH ORIN August 8, 2001 -- WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton wanted a convicted cocaine dealer sprung from prison, and it was very important to her, the former first lady's brother told the White House, according to a bombshell memo obtained by The Post. The handwritten note, on White House stationery, appears to contradict Clinton's repeated claims that she knew nothing about brother Hugh Rodham's pardon-for-pay work to get her husband to free drug trafficker Carlos Vignali. Hugh says this is very important to him and the first lady as well as others, says the note, which investigators said is from a file on the Vignali matter kept by Bruce Lindsey, who was former President Bill Clinton's closest White House aide. Bill Clinton freed Vignali on Jan. 20, over angry objections from the U.S. attorney's office, after Vignali had served only six years of a 15-year prison term for conspiring to sell more than 800 pounds of coke. The note, from last December or January, is in the National Archives files for the Clinton White House and bears the stamp Clinton library photocopy. The memo is unsigned, but appears to be addressed to Lindsey and written by someone who knows the Clintons and their family, since it refers to Sen. Clinton's brother by his first name. It suggests either Rodham lied to the Clinton White House, or Hillary Clinton lied when she later denied knowing anything about the pardon, for which her brother was paid $204,000 by Vignali's family. Rodham was living with the Clintons on the third floor of the White House when Bill Clinton issued his controversial slew of 11th-hour pardons and sentence commutations, including Vignali's. Sen. Clinton insisted at a news conference last February: I did not know my brother was involved in any way in any of this. Her spokeswoman, Karen Dunn, last night, said only: We have nothing to add to what's already been said. Rodham's lawyer, Nancy Luque, said he didn't speak to Sen. Clinton about Vignali. I seriously doubt whether he ever said that it was important to her, Luque said. The House Government Reform Committee, which is probing the pardons, has written Rodham, asking him to explain why you informed anyone on the White House staff that the Vignali matter was 'very important' to you and the first lady. The committee notes in its letter that Luque had told the House panel that Rodham had no contact with President Clinton or Sen. Clinton regarding Vignali. Both Clintons have denied knowing Rodham was being paid by Vignali's family, but Bill Clinton has never explained why he pardoned Vignali. Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] amirault accusers
-Caveat Lector- This may be heavy for survivors of abuse. Amirault's accusers reveal their faces, and their pain - by Peter Gelzinis 8/7/01 - Almost a year before the world ever heard of the Fells Acres Day School, Barbara Standke sought out psychiatric help for her 4-year-old son, Brian. During that lonely summer, no one was speaking of group hysteria, or interview techniques that amounted to brainwashing.'' All this nurse knew was that the little boy she dropped off at day care was acting very strangely. ``He'd begun to touch me in ways that were inappropriate,'' Standke recalled, ``or he'd try to kiss me with his tongue.'' When Barbara confided her concern about the scratches on her son's groin to Violet Amirault, proprietor of Fells Acres, she was told such things happen to kids. Both Vi and her daughter, Cheryl, she said, ``laughed and told me not to worry.'' excerpt from : http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/gelzinis08072001.htm A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Is This Why Bill Clinton May Have Been Asked to Leave Oxford
For Clinton is not considered a Rhodes Scholar as he did not even finish his term. So little Chandra is being forgotten - but it would seem Condit and Clinton love to portray the role of a Don Juan when in essense, it would seem they were just sexual predators who seem to have more in common with Mike Tyson just charged with another rape. Tell me - how is it Condit and Clinton have gotten away with this stuff and Mike Tyson is the rapist while Condit and Clinton get away with well face it - maybe murder? What is this influence and power behind both of these men that has kept them out of prison - why was Tyson in prison and why aren't Condit and Clinton at least brought up on charges of habitual sex offenders? Part of it is this - Remember this Marv Albert the NBC Sports reporter - how gentle the press was with him and John Belushi with Dan Akleroyd with prostitues in motel on drugs - Saturday Night Live where Clinton made an appearance where drugs are made to be a joke and oh so funny Charlie Sheen and this Robert Downey - Cosby had a son murdered by Russian Mafia and oh so quiet.for he had other problems like Jesse Jackson and Sharpton - See IRS going after Jackson or Sharpton? The press is highly suspect in taking payolla for all is orchestrated and Larry King and Geraldo ever check into their hidden lives? Mob connections and all. They are mutual admiration society and I am so sick of still hearing how handsome and young this Condit is when he is a predator among predators who for some reason has never been put on endangered species list...he association with Hells Angels speaks for itself and Chandra Levy to him is just another part of his secret life he wants buried along with many others found in the Clinton Body count of rape and death. Saba Get Headlines: Juanita isn't the only one: Bill Clinton's long history of sexual violence against women dates back some 30 years (Editor's Note: The following story is an update of previously-published information and contains some new material.) By Daniel J. Harris Teresa Hampton Capitol Hill Blue Women have been charging Bill Clinton with sexual assault since his days as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford 30 years ago. A continuing investigation into the President's questionable sexual history reveal incidents that go back as far as Clinton's college days, with more than a dozen women claiming his sexual appetites leave little room for the word ''no.'' Juanita Broaddrick, an Arkansas nursing home operator, told NBC's Lisa Myers five weeks ago she was raped by Clinton. NBC shelved the interview, saying they were confirming all parts of the story, but finally aired it Wednesday night. Broaddrick finally took her story to The Wall Street Journal, which published her account of the brutal rape at the hands of the future President, followed by The Washington Post and some other publications. But Capitol Hill Blue has confirmed that Broaddrick's story is only one account of many attempted and actual sexual assaults by Clinton that go back 30 years. Among the other incidents: Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim's family declined to pursue the case; In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Blue last week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further and would not give permission to use her name; In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ''came on'' to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students; Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape; From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to
Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/06/2001 6:20:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Israelis are citizens of the nation state of Israel - Jews are followers of the Jewish religion. Practitioners of the Jewish religion can be found in almost every country of the world and are citizens of most countries of the world.) flw This should be so true. Perhaps once it was, for just a little time. I was truly startled when Israel became a place where non-Jews became welcome only as tourists. And it is true that practitioners of the Jewish faith are found in almost every country of the world and are citizens of those countries. Even more startling to me was the change in my country's laws that allowed American Jews to have dual citizenship and vote in Israeli elections. I had never thought of patria as a plural word. I do not know if all those Jews who live in countries other than the United States have dual citizenship, but I certainly hope not. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Is This Why Bill Clinton May Have Been Asked to Leave Oxford
-Caveat Lector- Well Saba, I keep wondering if there are any laws in any states (as there are in military law) that are flat against adultery. I'd like to see Monica and Chandra questioned about their willingness to indulge in sexual activity with men they knew were married. My mother warned me about men in general and married men in particular when I was a lot younger than either of these women. Of course Monica at least comes from a different kind of home. I can just hear Monica's mom now saying, Of course, dear, anything you want to do is fine. Oh, let me hold your clothes. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel
-Caveat Lector- dual citizenship is common in many many countries -- -- -- -- -- Planet spins - so do I neo-sufi wisdom NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:45:46 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/06/2001 6:20:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Israelis are citizens of the nation state of Israel - Jews are followers of the Jewish religion. Practitioners of the Jewish religion can be found in almost every country of the world and are citizens of most countries of the world.) flw This should be so true. Perhaps once it was, for just a little time. I was truly startled when Israel became a place where non-Jews became welcome only as tourists. And it is true that practitioners of the Jewish faith are found in almost every country of the world and are citizens of those countries. Even more startling to me was the change in my country's laws that allowed American Jews to have dual citizenship and vote in Israeli elections. I had never thought of patria as a plural word. I do not know if all those Jews who live in countries other than the United States have dual citizenship, but I certainly hope not. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] A California Congressman Speaks Out......Did News Media Report on it
For the individual who wanted to know why Clinton is not a true Rhodes Scholar the following shoud provide some enlightenment. This Congressman had Clinton's number long ago, and this was read into the record. How to take over a country? First you set aside certain individuals as the chosen ones to assist in the take over for the goal first, is get the money from the Treasury and to date, see how same was managed and it started in 1913.today congress protects their pensions, but these pigs behind the scenario leave nothing for Social Security do they.no they want this money for investment purposes. Keep in mind Clinton's offer of a job which would pay him $8,000,000,000 a year as investment counselor but of course, in what the natural reserves in this country - will he be on Soros and Rich who is just a front man for the mob, on his payroll for this is Rich's specialty from attempting to destroy labor unions to well, the charge against him was engaging in organized crime an racketeering, and aiding and abetting the enemy was it? And what about that burlap bag business his father got his start and made big bucks in Korea. Strange this pilot I knew fighting in the Viet Nam War - this man in Columbus, oh so rich with connections - wanted him to do a big of smuggling and the source why it was KOREA. Well this bastard, Macy Bloch, who still thrives never touched by the law like his little front man who had such respectable background - this creep found that one honest man for whih Diogenese looked at high noon in bright sonbut the police never touched, old Macy. So lots of body bags lying around and this story where Clinton seems to have had the immunity to get away with murder - and sodomy and rape which evidently is of little consequence that such a man should be in our Oval Office with a prostitute - someday they might give Monica a medal for letting this man expose himself for what he was from the beginninga liar, rapist, sodomist, with long body bag count. Saba A TRULY TRAGIC DAY IN AMERICAN HISTORY Congressman Robert K. Dornan (R-CA) U.S. House of Representatives July 10, 1995 Mr. DORNAN. Mr. Speaker, tomorrow may be a truly tragic day in American history, because a person who avoided serving his country three times during the bloodiest subaction of the whole cold war, the conflict that raged on for a decade in Indochina, a person who avoided the draft when he graduated from Georgetown, speaking about Mr. Clinton, who avoided service in his first year as a graduate student at Oxford, when all graduate deferments were taken away and then who, after he actually had a call-up notice, a report date to join the U.S. Army as a buck private soldier and an induction date of 29, excuse me, 28 July 1969, used political pressure, the liberal Republican Governor's office in Arkansas, Winthrop Rockefeller, with the draft board, the head of the draft board, and two or three members of the draft board, personal meetings, 2 hours each, to beg them to allow him to join after the fact the ROTC at the University of Arkansas; then he had a U.S. Senator, Senator Fulbright of Arkansas, phone in to the head of the ROTC. And then I learned at a dinner with the distinguished American, Distinguished Service Cross holder of the second medal down from the Medal of Honor, who had commanded ROTC units, whole sections of the country, commanded ROTC for many colleges, Col. Eugene Holmes, a Bataan death march survivor, he told me when I had dinner with him and his wife, Irene, down in Fayetteville, AR, last February, that Clinton was the only student in more than a decade, as a commander and professor of military science, the only student who ever showed up at his house. He said he did not let him in, but for 2 hours in the front yard, backyard, back and fourth 23-year-old Bill Clinton begged Colonel Holmes to let him into the ROTC as a 2-year postgraduate student if he entered law school to go back on a special 2-year crash course with the undergraduates at the University of Arkansas and get in the ROTC so he could avoid the draft, and Colonel Holmes told me, against his better judgment, with more political pressure than he had ever thought possible, Senators, Governors, draft board members, Buick dealerships, all putting the pressure on him, he signed up a man who graduated from college over 1 year and 2 months before into the special program and, of course, Clinton never spent a day in the ROTC at Arkansas. But now here he is, the Commander in Chief, and if all the stories are true, tomorrow at noon he is going to normalize relations, give diplomatic recognition honors and recognition to the war criminals, the Communist leaders, in Hanoi who killed better men than he, probably three high school students from the Hot Springs area of Arkansas went into the service to
Re: [CTRL] Is This Why Bill Clinton May Have Been Asked to Leave Oxford
-Caveat Lector- aleisha, can you not distinguish between violent rape, and consensual sex? mike tyson raped a woman, granted, a woman stupid enough not to understand what going to a motel at 2 o'clock in the morning means, but if she said no it's no ( a fact clinton understood with paula jones, but for some reason he still had to pay 80 dollars for understanding no means no). clinton didn't rape anybody, he was involved in consensual sex between adults. same for marv albert. and everyone else on your list. condit no on knows yet, they jury isn't in, much less out on it. -- --- - Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won out over it Elwood P Dowd NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:26:29 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Is This Why Bill Clinton May Have Been Asked to Leave Oxford For Clinton is not considered a Rhodes Scholar as he did not even finish his term. So little Chandra is being forgotten - but it would seem Condit and Clinton love to portray the role of a Don Juan when in essense, it would seem they were just sexual predators who seem to have more in common with Mike Tyson just charged with another rape. Tell me - how is it Condit and Clinton have gotten away with this stuff and Mike Tyson is the rapist while Condit and Clinton get away with well face it - maybe murder? What is this influence and power behind both of these men that has kept them out of prison - why was Tyson in prison and why aren't Condit and Clinton at least brought up on charges of habitual sex offenders? Part of it is this - Remember this Marv Albert the NBC Sports reporter - how gentle the press was with him and John Belushi with Dan Akleroyd with prostitues in motel on drugs - Saturday Night Live where Clinton made an appearance where drugs are made to be a joke and oh so funny Charlie Sheen and this Robert Downey - Cosby had a son murdered by Russian Mafia and oh so quiet.for he had other problems like Jesse Jackson and Sharpton - See IRS going after Jackson or Sharpton? The press is highly suspect in taking payolla for all is orchestrated and Larry King and Geraldo ever check into their hidden lives? Mob connections and all. They are mutual admiration society and I am so sick of still hearing how handsome and young this Condit is when he is a predator among predators who for some reason has never been put on endangered species list...he association with Hells Angels speaks for itself and Chandra Levy to him is just another part of his secret life he wants buried along with many others found in the Clinton Body count of rape and death. Saba Get Headlines: Juanita isn't the only one: Bill Clinton's long history of sexual violence against women dates back some 30 years (Editor's Note: The following story is an update of previously-published information and contains some new material.) By Daniel J. Harris Teresa Hampton Capitol Hill Blue Women have been charging Bill Clinton with sexual assault since his days as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford 30 years ago. A continuing investigation into the President's questionable sexual history reveal incidents that go back as far as Clinton's college days, with more than a dozen women claiming his sexual appetites leave little room for the word ''no.'' Juanita Broaddrick, an Arkansas nursing home operator, told NBC's Lisa Myers five weeks ago she was raped by Clinton. NBC shelved the interview, saying they were confirming all parts of the story, but finally aired it Wednesday night. Broaddrick finally took her story to The Wall Street Journal, which published her account of the brutal rape at the hands of the future President, followed by The Washington Post and some other publications. But Capitol Hill Blue has confirmed that Broaddrick's story is only one account of many attempted and actual sexual assaults by Clinton that go back 30 years. Among the other incidents: Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim's family declined to pursue the case; In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Blue last
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Green Beret
-Caveat Lector- it doesn't matter who said it. the statement ignores the facts of the matter. Harlem is economically improved. This does help the blacks who live in Harlem, as well as everyone else who lives in Harlem. Caucasians, Hispanics, Jews, Asians, etcetc. They all already exist in Harlem. If you make a place more conducive to business, then business will move in. Just because there are racist blacks, as well as racist whites, doesn't make either of them correct. Not all blacks share one mind. there is diversity of opinion in every community. bill clntons arrival in Harlem does not take anything away from anyone of any race or creed. What it does do is bring more money, and thus more improvement into the community. It is not the function of our government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error. Justice Robert H. Jackson-- NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 01:04:03 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Green Beret -Caveat Lector- thew You seem to miss the point entirely for it was not whether or not Clinton made the rent rise but that SOME thought Harlem should be for the Blacks who developed it and it should not be taken over by the more affluent of other ethnic groups. And this is NOT my personal thoughts on the matter for I have not given it that much thought. I was merely repeating what BLACKS from Harlem stated. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: thew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Green Beret -Caveat Lector- it's not bill clinton that makes rent rise. It is new affluence. Harlem has gone through a real renaissance in the last 10 years. It has upscale restaurants, and new shops, and theaters, and the apartment buildings are not empty. this is what the community has been working towards for years. Safer more vital neighborhoods cost more. This is a basic fact in the world as it exists today. I cant imagine that anyone actually believes they could make the improvements they have made to harlem, and not have it cause changes to the neighborhood. Bill Clinton and higher rents are both symptoms of the same cause. ...and if you don't think clinton's presence benefits the community, you dont understand what makes communities thrive, ... . A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] A California Congressman Speaks Out......Did News Medi a Report on it
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Aleisha Saba [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] A California Congressman Speaks Out..Did News Media Report on it This Congressman had Clinton's number long ago, and this was read into the record. A TRULY TRAGIC DAY IN AMERICAN HISTORY Congressman Robert K. Dornan (R-CA) U.S. House of Representatives July 10, 1995 Mr. Dornan is a very interesting speaker, despite his nasty voice as the result of a lifetime of smoking, and I wish every Congressman, Senator and Presidential candidate had his military experience for it gives leadership ability civilians rarely possess. But his ability to think clearly is crippled by his blind allegiance to his religion. As the Bible teaches, Christian white male landowners are superior to all other forms of life and Dornan is faithful to this teaching. If you wanted a candidate who was true to his principles and still unacceptable to a large majority of the American populace for one reason or another, it would be Dornan. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A California Congressman Speaks Out......Did News Media Report on it
-Caveat Lector- vietnam was an evil war, and we shouldnt have been there. more to the point, what does this have to do with bill being a rhodes scholar or not? -- Doubt. Doubt thyself. Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself. Doubt all. Doubt even if thou doubtest all. It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubt there lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay the snake! The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exalted Dive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind, until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds! Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay! Then, wind the Mort! Uncle Al. the kiddies pal NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:06:34 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] A California Congressman Speaks Out..Did News Media Report on it For the individual who wanted to know why Clinton is not a true Rhodes Scholar the following shoud provide some enlightenment. This Congressman had Clinton's number long ago, and this was read into the record. How to take over a country? First you set aside certain individuals as the chosen ones to assist in the take over for the goal first, is get the money from the Treasury and to date, see how same was managed and it started in 1913.today congress protects their pensions, but these pigs behind the scenario leave nothing for Social Security do they.no they want this money for investment purposes. Keep in mind Clinton's offer of a job which would pay him $8,000,000,000 a year as investment counselor but of course, in what the natural reserves in this country - will he be on Soros and Rich who is just a front man for the mob, on his payroll for this is Rich's specialty from attempting to destroy labor unions to well, the charge against him was engaging in organized crime an racketeering, and aiding and abetting the enemy was it? And what about that burlap bag business his father got his start and made big bucks in Korea. Strange this pilot I knew fighting in the Viet Nam War - this man in Columbus, oh so rich with connections - wanted him to do a big of smuggling and the source why it was KOREA. Well this bastard, Macy Bloch, who still thrives never touched by the law like his little front man who had such respectable background - this creep found that one honest man for whih Diogenese looked at high noon in bright sonbut the police never touched, old Macy. So lots of body bags lying around and this story where Clinton seems to have had the immunity to get away with murder - and sodomy and rape which evidently is of little consequence that such a man should be in our Oval Office with a prostitute - someday they might give Monica a medal for letting this man expose himself for what he was from the beginninga liar, rapist, sodomist, with long body bag count. Saba A TRULY TRAGIC DAY IN AMERICAN HISTORY Congressman Robert K. Dornan (R-CA) U.S. House of Representatives July 10, 1995 Mr. DORNAN. Mr. Speaker, tomorrow may be a truly tragic day in American history, because a person who avoided serving his country three times during the bloodiest subaction of the whole cold war, the conflict that raged on for a decade in Indochina, a person who avoided the draft when he graduated from Georgetown, speaking about Mr. Clinton, who avoided service in his first year as a graduate student at Oxford, when all graduate deferments were taken away and then who, after he actually had a call-up notice, a report date to join the U.S. Army as a buck private soldier and an induction date of 29, excuse me, 28 July 1969, used political pressure, the liberal Republican Governor's office in Arkansas, Winthrop Rockefeller, with the draft board, the head of the draft board, and two or three members of the draft board, personal meetings, 2 hours each, to beg them to allow him to join after the fact the ROTC at the University of Arkansas; then he had a U.S. Senator, Senator Fulbright of Arkansas, phone in to the head of the ROTC. And then I learned at a dinner with the distinguished American, Distinguished Service Cross holder of the second medal down from the Medal of Honor, who had commanded ROTC units, whole sections of the country, commanded ROTC for many colleges, Col. Eugene Holmes, a Bataan death march survivor, he told me when I had dinner with him and his wife, Irene, down in Fayetteville, AR, last February, that Clinton was the only student in more than a decade, as a commander and professor of military science, the only student who ever showed up at his house. He said he did not let him in, but for 2 hours in the front yard, backyard, back and fourth 23-year-old Bill Clinton begged
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Green Beret
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/08/2001 1:53:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: thew You seem to miss the point entirely for it was not whether or not Clinton made the rent rise but that SOME thought Harlem should be for the Blacks who developed it and it should not be taken over by the more affluent of other ethnic groups. And this is NOT my personal thoughts on the matter for I have not given it that much thought. I was merely repeating what BLACKS from Harlem stated. ~Amelia~ Yes, there are places where integration is definitely not desired by the black community. Harlem must be one of them. On Okinawa, there was the Bush. Whites were definitely not wanted there, and the warning was to stay away. To ignore the warning was very dangerous. I wonder if they've changed the name of that district. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Feds- Spy Tool Is A Secret
-Caveat Lector- They are already using it. There is no privacy on the web. They watch anyone they see as a threat. Jeanne - Original Message - From: tenebroust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Feds- Spy Tool Is A Secret -Caveat Lector- This sounds like a very interesting case that is well worth keeping an eye on, since a keystroke interceptor would enable the Feds to bypass any type of firewall or encryption and if they can do it willy nilly then no one's data is secure. Scary. On Tue, 07 August 2001, William Shannon wrote: HTMLFONT FACE=arial,helveticaBODY BGCOLOR=#ffFONT SIZE=2 FAMILY=SANSSERIF FACE=Arial LANG=0A HREF=http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,45851,00.html;http://www.wi red.com/news/politics/0,1283,45851,00.html/A BR BR BR BRFeds: Spy Tool Is a Secret BR/FONTFONT COLOR=#00 SIZE=1 FAMILY=SANSSERIF FACE=Verdana LANG=0By A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]%3Fsubject=Feds:%20Spy%20Tool%20Is%20a%20Secret Declan McCullagh/A /FONTFONT COLOR=#00 SIZE=3 FAMILY=SANSSERIF FACE=Verdana LANG=0 BR BR/FONTFONT COLOR=#00 SIZE=2 FAMILY=SANSSERIF FACE=Arial LANG=02:00 a.m. Aug. 7, 2001 PDT BR/FONTFONT COLOR=#00 SIZE=3 FAMILY=SANSSERIF FACE=Verdana LANG=0IMG SRC=http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/static.wired.com/news/ima ges/spacer.gif WIDTH=89 HEIGHT=21 BORDER=0/FONTFONT COLOR=#00 SIZE=2 FAMILY=SANSSERIF FACE=Verdana LANG=0 BR/FONTFONT COLOR=#00 SIZE=2 FAMILY=SANSSERIF FACE=Arial LANG=0The U.S. government has invoked national security to argue that details of a BRnew electronic surveillance technique must remain secret. BRJustice Department attorneys told a federal judge overseeing the prosecution BRof an alleged mobster that public disclosure of a classified keystroke logger BRwould imperil ongoing investigations of foreign intelligence agents and BRendanger the lives of U.S. agents. BR BRIn court documents A HREF=http://www2.epic.org/crypto/scarfo/gov_supp_brief.pdf;(PDF)/A filed Friday, the Justice Department claims that BRsuch stringent secrecy is necessary to prevent hostile intelligence BRofficers from employing counter-surveillance tactics to thwart law BRenforcement. BR BRU.S. District Judge Nicholas Politan A HREF=http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,45730,00.html;heard arguments/A last Monday in the BRprosecution of Nicodemo S. Scarfo, the alleged mastermind of a loan shark BRoperation in New Jersey. Politan asked both sides to submit additional briefs BRbefore he decided whether or not to order the feds to disclose details about BRtheir keystroke logging device, which captured Scarfo's PGP passphrase. BR BRPolitan has barred attorneys in the case from talking to reporters. BR BRDonald Kerr, the director of the FBI's lab, said in an affidavit filed Friday BRthat there are only a limited number of effective techniques available to BRthe FBI to cope with encrypted data, one of which is the 'key logger BRsystem.' He said that if criminals find out how the logger works, they can BRreadily circumvent it. BR BRThe feds believe so strongly in keeping this information secret that they've BRsaid they may invoke the A HREF=http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/laws/pl096456.htm;Classified Information/A Procedures Act if necessary. BRThe 1980 law says that the government may say that evidence requires BRprotection against unauthorized disclosure for reasons of national BRsecurity. BR BRIf that happens, not only are observers barred from the courtroom, but the BRtrial could move to a classified location. Federal regulations say that if a BRcourtroom is not sufficiently secure, the court shall designate the BRfacilities of another United States Government agency as the location for BRthe trial. BR BRBut the FBI's Kerr said that CIPA's extreme procedures aren't good enough. BRSays Kerr: Even disclosure under the protection of the court ... cannot BRguarantee that the technique will not be compromised To assume otherwise BRmay well lead to the compromise of criminal and national security BRinvestigations, and, in some cases, threaten the lives of FBI or other BRgovernment agency personnel. BR BRScarfo allegedly used PGP to encode his confidential and incriminating BRbusiness data. With a judge's approval, FBI agents repeatedly sneaked into BRScarfo's business to plant a keystroke sniffer -- it could be either software BRor hardware -- and monitor its output. BR BRDuring last Monday's hearing, Judge Politan wondered aloud how the law should BRtreat the keyboard tap. BR BRWas it akin, Politan wondered, to a telephone wiretap, regulated by the BRfederal law known as Title III? Perhaps it was a general search of the sort BRloathed by the colonists at the time of the American Revolution and BRthereafter outlawed by the Fourth Amendment? Or was it, as
Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel j2
-Caveat Lector- I'm serious too. I don't know what you consider ARAB. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Revolving door poses danger to defense
-Caveat Lector- From: Alamaine Revolving door poses danger to defense By James J. Zogby August 7, 2001 WASHINGTON - The Senate's confirmation of Douglas J. Feith as undersecretary of defense for policy is a classic illustration of the dangerous abuses inherent in the revolving door that operates between government and private industry. Mr. Feith is a political appointee who has used his time in government to build relations that can be used for business purposes, and then returns to government. As the Pentagon's policy chief, his responsibilities include: - Developing policy on the conduct of alliances and defense relationships with foreign governments and their military establishments. - Coordinating and overseeing the implementation of international security strategy and policy on issues that relate to foreign governments and their defense establishments. - Providing oversight of all Pentagon efforts related to international technology transfer. This is a powerful position and holds great potential for conflicts of interest. With previous Pentagon experience under President Ronald Reagan and as special counsel to Richard Perle, who was an assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration, Mr. Feith accumulated friends in and out of government who have U.S. defense contracts and relationships. Most recently, Mr. Feith was an attorney with the Washington firm of Feith and Zell. His biography says that he specializes in technology transfer, joint ventures and foreign investment in the defense and aerospace industries. His firm has one international affiliate, in Israel. More than two-thirds of all of its reported casework involves representing Israeli or other foreign interests. In light of Mr. Feith's new appointment, one of these cases deserves some attention. As described on the firm's Web site, Mr. Feith represented a leading Israeli armaments manufacturer in establishing joint ventures with leading U.S. aerospace manufacturers for manufacture and sale of missile systems, to the U.S. Department of Defense and worldwide. Mr. Feith has also been a registered foreign agent for Turkey, seeking to promote the objective of U.S.-Turkish defense industrial cooperation through a company called IAI. At the time, Mr. Perle, Mr. Feith's former boss, disavowed IAI's efforts, claiming that I find very distasteful this business where people leave the government and, the next thing you know, they're on the other side of the table negotiating with the U.S. This did not stop Mr. Perle from being IAI's highest-paid consultant. More recently, Mr. Feith and Mr. Perle teamed to represent the Bosnian government. According to Richard Holbrooke, the principal U.S. negotiator at the 1995 Dayton peace talks, Mr. Perle and Mr. Feith worked for and advised the Bosnians during the talks. This time, however, they did not register with the Justice Department, as foreign agents are required to do. Mr. Feith also represented the Loral Corp., which the Pentagon accused of selling sensitive technology to China. Mr. Feith argued Loral's case before the Senate. On the political front, Mr. Feith sees the world in ideological dualistic terms - the forces of absolute good confronting the forces of absolute evil. He is especially adept at fitting the Middle East into this paradigm. A prolific writer, Mr. Feith has left a long paper trail of vehemently anti-Arab tracts and diatribes against those who challenge or seek to question Israeli policy or as he says, Israel's moral superiority over the Arabs. At his initial Senate hearing, several senators raised their concerns with Mr. Feith's previous statements about the Middle East, his support for scrapping existing arms control agreements and his support for unilateral development of a missile defense shield. Now that the Senate has confirmed Mr. Feith's nomination, his work and the policies he creates must be closely scrutinized. His pattern of behavior and obvious conflicts of interest should have disqualified him from such a sensitive post; the issues raised at his confirmation hearing demonstrated that. He is now shaping policy at the Pentagon. Unfortunately, he is the wrong person to do so. James J. Zogby is president of the Arab American Institute. Copyright (c) 2001, The Baltimore Sun Link to the article: http://www.sunspot.net/bal-op.feith07aug07.story Visit http://www.sunspot.net A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no
Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel j2
-Caveat Lector- Main Entry:Ar·ab Pronunciation:'ar-b, 'er-; dial also 'A-rab Function:noun Etymology:Middle English, from Latin Arabus, Arabs, from Greek Arab-, Araps Date:14th century 1 a : a member of the Semitic people of the Arabian peninsula b : a member of an Arabic-speaking people Free your mind and your ass will follow. St George NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:43:05 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israelj2 -Caveat Lector- I'm serious too. I don't know what you consider ARAB. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] American Values Israeli Values Are Not Equal
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/07/2001 6:32:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: http://www.mediamonitors.net/index.html American Values and Israeli Values Are Not Equal Hm? Could that be because this is America, and that over there is A DIFFERENT COUNTRY? Hm? by Sherri Muzher The author of this article is absolutely right. Israel is not America. It is a very different country. AND I WANT AMERICA TO STOP SENDING THEM MONEY!!! Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Green Beret
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/7/01 10:53:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: thew You seem to miss the point entirely for it was not whether or not Clinton made the rent rise but that SOME thought Harlem should be for the Blacks who developed it and it should not be taken over by the more affluent of other ethnic groups. And this is NOT my personal thoughts on the matter for I have not given it that much thought. I was merely repeating what BLACKS from Harlem stated. ~Amelia~ What happened to the thought that Clinton was our first black president? As such, shouldn't he be allowed to have an office in Haarlem? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/07/2001 6:30:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, that's pretty good. But you did leave out one or two key points. Firstly, the house does not belong to you. The house belongs to an absentee landlord in Turkey. After he lost the house in a poker game with the town officials, THEY decided to split the house in two. It was a big house. THEN Prudy, your story starts. After feeling guilty about the fires they helped start and not put out, THEN they declared that half of the half of the house will be made available to the burned out family. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the burned out family took just half the house. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Turks angry at Sharon visit and ties with Zionists
-Caveat Lector- Tuesday, August 7 7:55 PM SGT Sentiments chilly in Turkey ahead of Sharon visit ANKARA, Aug 7 (AFP) - A chilly climate awaits Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon when he arrives in Turkey Wednesday for a one-day visit amid protests and media highlights of his hardline policies against the Palestinians and controversial past. The reactions are unusual for this mainly Muslim country, whose ties with Israel have been flourishing since 1996 when the two sides signed a military cooperation accord at the expense of criticism from most of the Arab world and Iran. Riot police in Istanbul detained about 15 people Tuesday, mostly women in black chadors, who were protesting at deadly Israeli crackdowns on the Palestinians, Anatolia news agency reported. The detainees were among protestors who were gathering for a planned larger demonstration in the area amid heavy police presence. Also in Istanbul, police took into custody three journalists from two pro-Islamic publications on the grounds that they had last week called for an illegal action by encouraging anti-Sharon protests, Anatolia said. Both pro-Islamic and mainstream newspapers echoed the anti-Sharon sentiment and criticized the Turkish government for hosting the controversial leader at a time when Israel is under harsh international criticism for using excessive force against the Palestinians. He is a war criminal, the pro-Islamic Yeni Safak said of Sharon in a front-page headline, charging him with holding primary responsibility for the recent bloodshed in the Middle East. In a piece in Yeni Safak, leading columnist Cengiz Candar dubbed Sharon's visit an ugly development and blasted Ankara for embracing Israel, which is governed by a prime minister who is under accusations of human rights breaches and even massacres. Despite its close ties with Israel, Turkey has full-fledged diplomatic relations with the Palestinians and backs their demands for statehood. Ankara has harshly criticized Israel recently for using excessive force against the Palestinians. But Turgut Tarhanli, from Radikal newspaper, warned that deepening ties with the incumbent Israeli government would erode the credibility of Turkey's stance against Israeli violence. Ahead of Sharon's visit, Turkish activists have also formed a so-called Palestinian Initiative Group with the sole aim of drawing public attention to Sharon's controversial past. We want Turkey to back an international trial for Sharon for his murderous acts, group spokesman Hilmi Ozturk told AFP. Inspired by a Belgian probe into Sharon's role in the 1982 massacres of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, the group filed two symbolic complaints with courts in Ankara and Istanbul last week, accusing the Israeli leader of crimes against humanity. The group also opened in Istanbul an exhibition of photographs depicting Palestinian victims of the conflict. Stop killing Palestinian children, read a banner at the exhibition, which was meant to coincide with Sharon's visit. And a parliamentary deputy has submitted a formal question to Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit, asking him what gains Ankara expected from Sharon's visit at a time when Israel was under strong international fire, parliamentary sources told AFP. Sharon, due to arrive on Wednesday morning, will meet with Ecevit, President Ahmet Necdet Sezer and Economy Minister Kemal Dervis before leaving Turkey in the afternoon. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The cover up (6 day war) USS Liberty
-Caveat Lector- The cover-up At the height of the six-day war in 1967, Israel attacked a US spy ship, killing 34 men and injuring many more. The Israelis claimed it was an accident, the Americans backed them up. But, as James Bamford reveals in his new book, both governments concealed the horrific truth Special report: Israel and the Middle East Wednesday August 8, 2001 The Guardian Early in the morning of Thursday June 8 1967 and the first rays of sun spilled softly over the Sinai's blond waves of sand. A little more than a dozen miles north, in the choppy eastern Mediterranean, the USS Liberty headed eastward. But the calmness was like quicksand - deceptive, inviting and friendly - until it was too late. As the Liberty passed the desert town of El Arish, it was being closely watched. About 4,000ft above was an Israeli reconnaissance aircraft. At 6.05am, the observer on the plane reported back to Israeli naval headquarters: What we could see were the letters written on that ship and we gave these letters to ground control, he said. The letters were GTR-5 - the Liberty's identification. GTR stood for General Technical Research - a cover designation for the National Security Agency (NSA)'s fleet of spy ships. The Liberty was in dangerous waters at a dangerous time. The six-day war, in which Israeli air and ground forces launched a massive attack on Egypt, Syria and Jordan, was raging. Fearing involvement in a Middle East war, the US joint chiefs of staff needed rapid intelligence on the ground situation in Egypt. Ships were considered the best option for the job. They could sail relatively close and pick up the most important signals. Also, unlike aircraft, they could remain on station for weeks at a time, eavesdropping, locating transmitters, and analysing the intelligence. And so the Liberty, which was large, fast and had been stationed relatively close on the Ivory Coast, had been ordered in. Throughout the morning, the ship sailed on, with reconnaissance repeated at approximately 30-minute intervals. At one point, an Israeli air force Noratlas Nord 2501 circled the ship and headed back towards the Sinai. It had a big Star of David on it and it was flying just a little bit above our mast, recalled crew member Larry Weaver. I was actually able to wave to the co-pilot. He waved back and actually smiled at m e - I could see him that well. There's no question about it. They had seen the ship's markings and the American flag. They could damn near see my rank. The underway flag was definitely flying, especially when you're that close to a war zone. By 9.50am, the minaret at El Arish could be seen with the naked eye like a solitary mast in a sea of sand. Although no one on the ship knew it at the time, the Liberty had suddenly trespassed into a private horror. At that very moment, near the minaret, Israeli forces were engaged in a criminal slaughter. Three days after Israel had launched the six- day war, Egyptian prisoners in the Sinai had become a nuisance. There was no place to house them, not enough Israelis to watch them, and few vehicles to transport them to prison camps. But there was another way to deal with them. As the Liberty sat within eyeshot of El Arish, eavesdropping on surrounding communications, Israeli soldiers turned the town into a slaughterhouse, systematically butchering their prisoners. An eyewitness recounted how in the shadow of the El Arish mosque, they lined up about 60 unarmed Egyptian prisoners, hands tied behind their backs, and then opened fire with machine guns until the pale desert sand turned red. This and other war crimes were just some of the secrets Israel had sought to conceal since the start of the conflict. An essential element in the Israeli battle plan seemed to have been to hide much of the war behind a carefully constructed curtain of lies: lies about the Egyptian threat, lies about who started the war, lies to the US president, lies to the UN Security Council, lies to the press, lies to the public. Thus, as the American naval historian Dr Richard K Smith noted, any instrument which sought to penetrate this smoke screen so carefully thrown around the normal 'fog of war' would have to be frustrated. Into this sea of deception and slaughter sailed the USS Liberty, an enormous spy factory loaded with the latest eavesdropping gear. About noon, as the Liberty was again in sight of El Arish, and while the massacres were taking place, an army commander there reported that a ship was shelling them from the sea. But that was impossible. The only ship in the vicinity was the Liberty, and she was eavesdropping, not shooting. As any observer would have recognised, the ship was a tired old second world war vessel crawling with antennae, and unthreatening to anyone - unless it was their secrets, not their lives, they wanted to protect. By then the Israeli navy and air force had conducted more than six hours of close surveillance of the Liberty off the Sinai and
[CTRL] The covenant of thugs
Haaretz, Wednesday, August 08, 2001 http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=61433contrassID=2subContrassID=4sbSubContrassID=0listSrc=Y The covenant of thugs By Gideon Samet Conventional wisdom has it that Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat can't stop being the thug that former prime minister Ehud Barak described this week in the New York Times. Nor can Prime Minister Ariel Sharon stop being a thug in the eyes of the leaders on the other side. Even if both men were to make the move that now seems further away than ever and were to coordinate a cease-fire, dialogue between them would lead nowhere. Conclusion: We are doomed to a very long period, perhaps years, of living by the sword. Is this heaven-decreed? It wasn't for worthy leaders like Begin, Rabin (with Peres), Sadat, Hussein. All the defeatist theories are worthless when remembering the depths of mutual revulsion from which these leaders climbed to take themselves and their public's opinion to the first agreements between their peoples. Those who accompanied Begin on his first visit to Cairo at the end of 1979 will never forget how, with a nod from Sadat, the Egyptian street changed. From the porches around the plaza, where the previously defamed Israeli leader's convoy arrived, thousands rose to applaud and chant Begin Begin, as if it were Zion Square in Jerusalem. One can only imagine the applause Sharon would hear, even in today's atmosphere, if he were to declare there had been progress in the negotiations with the Palestinians. Even Barak, who now curses Arafat, had the majority behind him when he conducted detailed talks toward the end of his pitiful administration. There are a variety of versions about what happened during those final few months. Some of them, coming from within a sympathetic American administration (and from the pro-Israel New York Times), blame our side for a large portion of the failure. But Israeli patriots would be making a big mistake if they were to adopt the conclusion that is currently sweeping large swaths of public opinion - that there's no chance to revive the negotiations. The first movements toward important changes in relations between nations have always been the decisions of their leaders. Such decisions facilitated an escape from desperate situations that appeared everlasting. Arafat is no easy customer. Nonetheless, many Israelis who are hardening their positions are invited to consider the question of what would the Sharon government offer the Palestinians if - miracle of miracles - the negotiations were to resume. It sometimes appears as if the continuing violence serves the strategy of the Israeli leader. Every political novice knows that Sharon can't give up anything close to the necessary minimum. But - and this is being said with caution - there's room for a lot of skepticism about his desire to do so. The manner in which Sharon presents the obstacle on the way to renewed dialogue is, therefore, a huge deception. Shimon Peres believes that it's possible to break the deadlock with immediate political contacts, even under fire. He's right. Sharon's opposed. The Israeli leader is demanding an absolute cease-fire. But, in fact, he doesn't want one. He's not interested in negotiations because he knows well that the moment talks begin, his stubborn rejectionism will be exposed. Is there really nothing to discuss with Arafat? Perhaps there isn't, yet it's worth checking. But what about Sharon? What outline of a general agreement will the Palestinians be able to talk with him about for more than one serious session? Dragging a suffering people into a long-lasting military confrontation based on a myth that there's no one to talk to is terrible make-believe. This is why you won't hear such a claim from the crafty Sharon. He'd rather declare his willingness to talk, but not before his impossible condition of absolute quiet is met. Only when Sharon stops using this diplomatic ploy will it be possible to find out whether there really isn't any choice but to forever live by the sword. It's too bad Arafat doesn't put the prime minister to such a test by dramatically reducing the level of violence. It's a covenant between thugs. Tragically, only when more blood has flowed and outside pressure has forced the two to sit down together, will it become clear who has done more to deceive his enemy - and his own people.
[CTRL] Fwd: Anti-U.N. Petitions Flood Capitol
Well the times they are a changing... Always wondered by nobody has parked a fertilizer truck in front of the UN? They are conspicuous by their mere presense? Note JFK, RFK, JFK, Jr, and Reagan and Wallace and others all were either assassinated or nearly assassinated...conspicious by their absense as compared to presense of others? UN is comprised of a lot of Bensons - servants who would ride while freedom walked. Never see any of these UN figures knocked off and yet.maybe it is because their backers are buying the bullets.and their messengers deliver same? Saba http://www.eco.freedom.org/el/20010801/caruba.shtml Wednesday, August 08, 2001 Anti-U.N. Petitions Flood Capitol More than 70,000 petitions urging the rejection of all global governance schemes of the United Nations were presented to Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, today (July 19, 2001) by the American Policy Center. The petitions continue the Center's effort, begun in September 2000, when the American Policy Center (APC) presented Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX) with more than one ton of petitions in support of his American Sovereignty Restoration Act (H.R. 1146). The Center, headquartered in Herndon, Virginia, is an activist think tank. A review of the voting records of the 435 members of the House of Representatives conducted by the Center revealed that 44% have failed to support legislation to protect America's national sovereignty. The subsequent petitions presented to Rep. Paul demonstrated the growing fear of Americans that the nation's sovereignty is in peril. The new, additional petitions, said Tom DeWeese, the Center's president, call on the United States to withdraw the United States from the United Nations. There is a growing consensus in our country that the United Nations is less concerned with world peace and more concerned with penetrating the sovereignty of the U.S. and other nations, said DeWeese in a letter to the Speaker. In light of our expulsion from the U.N. Human Rights Commission and International Narcotics Control Board, clearly the UN sees the U.S. as the biggest obstacle to its goals. DeWeese noted that, at the same time of the APC September news conference, broadcast by C-Span, the U.N. was convening its Millennium Assembly. The U.N. Millennium Declaration, a product of the assembly, was put forth as a working blueprint for future United Nations' objectives. Among the Declaration's provisions were those that would: Expand U.N. influence and power over the land of the United States, most notably through the use of environmental laws, World Heritage Site designations and biosphere reserves. Register and track all small arms (rifles, handguns, etc.) produced worldwide, in an effort to implement a global gun control scheme, which would undoubtedly lead to gun confiscation from sovereign citizens. Tax individual citizens of the U.S., directly, in the form of a Tobin tax, thus creating a global IRS. Ratify the International Criminal Court (ICC) Treaty, creating a world court in which U.S. citizens and soldiers abroad could be tried unjustly in the name of political retribution. The ICC would even supersede the jurisdiction of the United States Supreme Court. In his letter to the Speaker of the House, DeWeese said it is your unique obligation to make certain that the Constitution of the United States is upheld, not only by yourself, but by your colleagues as well. The objectives of the United Nations fly directly in the face of the principles on which our nation was founded, most notably, sovereignty and the inherent right to govern ourselves. We ask that you demonstrate courage and leadership in your responsibilities as Speaker and join us in working to protect our liberty and sovereignty.
[CTRL] Turks demonstrate against Sharon (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Assalamu'alaikum Turks demonstrate against Sharon Ankara (Turkey): 8 August, 2001 (IAP News) Thousands of Turks today took to the streets to protest a visit to Turkey by Israeli prime Minister Ariel Sharon who, for many Turks and Muslims around the world, is a war criminal not unlike Adolph Hitler . Anti-Sharon demonstrations were reported in several Turkish cities including Ankara, Istanbul, Izmir and Adana where protesters shouted anti-Zionist slogans and called on their government to sever ties with the Jewish state. It is a big disgrace to Turkey that this war criminal Ariel Sharon can set foot on our soil, said Ahmet Ja'afar, of the Turkish Jurist association. Ja'afar castigated the Zionist regime for behaving toward the Palestinian people like Nazi Germany behaved toward Jews. We see today that the Zionists are behaving toward the Palestinian people very much like the Nazi had behaved toward Jews . the Zionists even use the same terminology to vilify and demonize the Palestinians that the Nazis once used to vilify and demonize Jews. Another protester, a student at the University of Istanbul, blamed Israel for killing democracy in our country. The criminal Jews are pressurizing the military to tighten their grip on civilian life, the Jews are the main obstacle to genuine democracy in Turkey. Sharon, a war criminal, held talks with Turkish officials on Wednesday which diplomatic sources said were aimed at convincing Turks to purchase more Israeli-made weapons. Turkey reportedly had cancelled several arms deals with Israel due to what was called obscene prices. Moreover, the Turkish generals also reportedly cracked down on the so-called Jewish lobby in Turkey, which had been pressing officials to purchase more Israeli-made weapons. Turkey hopes her strong relations with Israel will earn her a certificate of good conduct in Washington where the Zionist-controlled Congress has a decisive say in American foreign policy. = Proudly Serving Palestine and AlQuds _ Islamic Association for Palestine (IAP) 10661 South Roberts Rd, Suite 202 Palos Hills, IL 60465 Tel: 708 974 3380 / Fax: 708 974 3389 /Pager: 1 800 916 8286 http://www.iap.org E-mails:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to IAP NEWS, send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from IAP NEWS, send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Scandal of HIV blood sold as safe by South Africans [Free Republic]
Somehow I missed this story when it came out, but then this land of Rhodes Round Table - wonder if the advent of AIDS was discussed at some of the oh so secret meetings? How to control population, or how to genocide people around the world. Remember this so called Rhodes Scholar Clinton first distributed blood polluted with HIV/AIDS and Hepatitus and one can only imagine what else - to Canada and all the immigrants now being imported to USA by virtue of Clintonites and UN - spread the death evenly - 18,000 African immigrants wanted in USA to be exported, only on condition they have AIDS? One must presume the bad blood Clinton helped to spread about the world, which came from prisons, was a plan and part of a plot - massive population control plan.for India China do have their problems and the USA did not until the UN pushed for this massive immigration and disease from leprosy to AIDS and TV, increasesome would call this germ warfare but this, is turned now to the American people. Saba FreeRepublic.com A Conservative News Forum Scandal of HIV blood sold as safe by South Africans Crime/Corruption Breaking News News Keywords: HAEMOPHILIA, TAINTED BLOOD, HIV, HEPATITIS Source: The Sunday Times England Published: August 27 2000 Author: Karen MacGregor and Fiona Fleck Posted on 08/27/2000 11:04:11 PDT by Acorn August 27 2000 BRITAIN Scandal of HIV blood sold as safe by South Africans Karen MacGregor and Fiona Fleck BLOOD contaminated with the HIV virus and hepatitis has been shipped into Britain from South Africa for 20 years, an investigation has revealed. The multi-million-dollar racket has been exposed in a World Health Organisation (WHO) report. The blood, coming from one of the nations most seriously affected by Aids, was often labelled as animal plasma to avoid the strict checks designed to ensure that only healthy blood gets through. Investigations so far show that the blood has mainly been moved on to China and India, where thousands faced contamination from it. There is no evidence that any of it found its way into British hospitals. A spokesman for the Department of Health said last night: All our blood is tested and double tested. There's an enormous amount of checks made to make sure blood used in our hospitals is safe. We're not aware of any investigation into South African blood at the moment. However, British police are now consulting other European forces over the investigation. At least two British companies, one based in Guernsey and the other in Berkshire, have been investigated by Austrian detectives. They say unscrupulous processing companies in several countries relabelled the contaminated blood as fit for therapeutic use, then sold it on to India and China. Several blood brokers are due to appear in court in Austria, facing charges of fraudulent trading and endangering public health. A British Aids expert, Professor Alan Smith, initiated the investigation when he alerted police after he uncovered what he described as the highly unethical trafficking while he worked in the virology department of Natal University. His complaints led the South African Department of Health to commission a WHO blood expert, Dr Wilbert Bannenberg, to investigate. His report estimates that in the past decade the brokers made more than £7m from processing and relabelling blood that is given free in South Africa as a gift of life. Bannenburg's report called for an urgent toughening of South Africa's blood export controls. He found that permits for the import and export of blood products between 1997 and 1999 had been inexplicably lost, while current information on permits was so vague that authorities were unable to determine the source or final destination of the products. Large amounts of human plasma were classified and exported as animal plasma to avoid fears over the scale of South Africa's Aids problem - 3.5 million people are infected. Documents dated 1995 and now with Canadian police showed 15 shipments of animal plasma were flown to Belgium, where they were relabelled as human blood from Canada and sold on to a North American company's German plant for processing. Thousands of people are thought to have been in danger of contracting Aids and hepatitis from plasma made there. In 1998, Austrian authorities seized 4,000 litres of blood from a Linz-based company, Albovina AG, after a tip-off. The blood was infected with hepatitis B and HIV. The Austrian investigation found that the blood had been shipped to Austria through Guernsey by a South African company. The manager of one of the British companies involved said it had stopped buying blood from South Africa two years ago as rumours spread within the industry. He insisted that all the blood used in Britain had been sold on as control blood for laboratory testing. http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39a9581b309f.htm
[CTRL] Fwd: Lawyers May Reveal Secrets of Clients, Bar Group Rules
'When I read this I thought of Gary Condit stopping a story re intellectual property rightsso he must be going to write a book, and Chandra if she is still alive, is out there writing a book and if she is, she will have a best seller.intellectual property rights. So all these lawyers on TV giving opinions when they are not asked? Judges are supposed to render opinions and decisions.but all these stories, sources said and then look at NBC and remember a smug DiGenoa smoking a cigar on TV smirking and smiling aimed for Clinton for this man had some information that at the time, was supposed to be held in secret? Well if I have an attorney the contract is betwee me and my lawyer and it works two wayswho the hell is the American Bar Association - they are a Labor Union for Lawyers where they price fix which is contrary to law, anti trust laws would it be, where they set rates and not all lawyers belong to the Bar Association for in fact, they are held in contempt by many. Read between the lines on this one - for these lawyers now when they get a good case, can get big bucks selling out their clients secrets to the press and news TV media in more sources said stories. First, let me say maybe Shakespeare was right when he wrote First we will kill all the lawyers, but then who would defend the assassins, in a court of law? Is the lawyer contracting with the American Bar Association or does he contract with a client? Treason and Murder - only exceptions to the rules...anything else, is sub rosa. Saba August 8, 2001 Lawyers May Reveal Secrets of Clients, Bar Group Rules By JONATHAN D. GLATER Backers of an initiative to overhaul legal ethics rules, allowing lawyers more leeway to disclose client confidences to prevent fraud, injury or death, won a partial victory at the annual meeting of the American Bar Association in Chicago this week. The House of Delegates, the body that sets policy for the organization, voted 243 to 184 on Monday to approve a proposal allowing lawyers to disclose confidences when doing so prevents reasonably certain death or substantial bodily harm. But a proposal allowing lawyers to disclose financial fraud by a client if that client was using the lawyer's services to commit the fraud was defeated 255 to 151 yesterday. And its supporters, recognizing they did not have the votes, withdrew a similar proposal that also would have allowed disclosure of confidences under the same circumstances in order to mitigate a financial loss. Monday's change, the first update of the Model Rules of Professional Conduct in nearly 20 years, is significant because it means that lawyers who may know of a defective product may now warn potential victims, lawyers said. The current rule allows disclosure only to prevent the client from committing a criminal act that the lawyer believes is likely to result in imminent death or substantial bodily harm a more stringent requirement because it is limited to disclosure related to criminal actions by the client. This is a great expansion in the freedom of lawyers to warn victims and persons in danger of substantial bodily harm or death, regardless of who's causing it, or whether it is imminent, said Stephen Gillers, a professor of legal ethics at New York University School of Law. That's important in a world of dangerous products, where you have exploding tires and cars that overturn. At the heart of the debate over the new rules is the balancing of lawyers' obligations to represent the interests of clients against a larger, societal good. Both sides agree that the privilege to protect client confidences is not absolute, but disagree about when it should be breached. I'm satisfied that this is an appropriate balance, said Nancy J. Moore, a professor of legal ethics at Boston University Law School and a member of the commission that recommended the changes in disclosure rules. You have situations in which a client leaves the lawyer's office brandishing a gun on his way to an ex-spouse, she said. It's simply too harmful to refuse to permit lawyers to disclose in these situations. The delegates also backed a new rule that would prohibit a lawyer from having sex with a client unless a consensual sexual relationship predated the professional contact. The Model Rules are not binding on lawyers, whose conduct is regulated by the states, and the entire amended code is subject to approval by the House of Delegates, possibly at its next meeting in six months. State courts, which draft the rules of conduct, normally give great deference to the association, lawyers say. But on this issue, many states have already acted independently to broaden lawyers' discretion. In New York, for example, lawyers could reveal a client's intention to commit a crime, Professor Gillers said. The New York rule is in some ways broader and in some ways narrower than what the A.B.A. is proposing, he said, because while it is not limited to violent crime, it
Re: [CTRL] Is This Why Bill Clinton May Have Been Asked to Leave Oxford
-Caveat Lector- From: Prudence L. Kuhn Well Saba, I keep wondering if there are any laws in any states (as there are in military law) that are flat against adultery. I believe the District of Columbia still has anti-adultery laws on the statutes, as do many states. But both Monica Lewinsky and Chandra Levy did not commit adultery, as they are not married; they committed fornication, if we are to get Biblical about things. Only their married partners committed adultery, and would be liable under any anti-adultery law. June ;-) - --- * Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno com for: * * Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) * Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Substance Abuse
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2000/0006.robbins.html Click Here: A HREF=http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2000/0006.robbins.html; Substance Abuse by Alexandra Robbins/A - Substance Abuse Faking, flubbing, and cramming with the media's talking heads By Alexandra Robbins It's a drill that veterans of the Washington press corps know all too well. The booker from a highly-regarded talk show calls you four hours before air time. They're doing a story on the turmoil in Zimbabwe. Could you help them out? You're not 100 percent sure where Zimbabwe is but, what the hell, it's a chance to be on TV. You tell her you'll do it, grab the Times, reach for the Atlas, and start to cram. And what if you don't get it all sorted out before your views are broadcast into 20 million homes? You won't be the first. I don't want to embarrass anybody, but sometimes people come in here and they're not quite ready, talk-show host Diane Rehm says carefully. Walk into the communication room minutes before Rehm goes on the air with her Friday News Round Up and you will see some of Washington's top journalists poring over the day's papers, speaking urgently into their cell phones, and doing whatever else they can to get the latest word on Rehm's discussion topics. But sometimes Rehm introduces late breaking topics, and sometimes her guests just can't get up to speed in time. In those cases, Rehm says that Reporters will wing it with the Times or the Post or the Wall Street Journal sitting in front of them. When one of Rehm's guests recently blanked on a question, a co-panelist gave an assist by handing over a newspaper article on the subject. If we've gotten to the stage where talk show guests are pretty much reading the newspaper into the mic, it seems fair enough to ask---what's the point of these programs? Amazingly enough, a big part of the answer is public service. The talk show formula has been developed in part to satisfy the Federal Communications Commission's requirement that all TV- and radio-broadcast networks air a certain quota of programming that offers significant treatment of community issues. But the pace, format, and substance of these shows don't allow for a significant treatment of anything. That's fine with the networks; they're happy enough to have a cheap and easy vehicle for parading celebrity journalists. And judging by the level of participation, it's fine with the journalists as well, who are happy to have a vehicle for enhancing their fame and padding their bank accounts. As Washington Post media watchdog Howard Kurtz points out in his book Hot Air, journalists who join the punditocracy generally see their lecture fees spike up by thousands of dollars. Moreover, some of the shows pay their guests and many reporters even receive bonuses from their publicity-happy employers for each time they make a talk show appearance---regardless of whether they say anything worth hearing. Prepping Of course, given a choice, most journalists would rather be able to get through a show without having to resort to the sort of on-air tactics that Rehm has observed. So after they've been called by enough bookers, talk show regulars tend to develop preparation strategies that can be applied to a wide range of topics, and that can be successfully employed in less than twenty-four hours---which is the maximum amount of notice that most shows give of their discussion topics. There are a couple of sources that talk show regulars cite as absolutely indispensable. When the Weekly Standard's Tucker Carlson gets called for a TV appearance, he jokes that he briefly consults his own vast realm of knowledge and then, like everybody else, he reads the Hotline. The National Journal's Hotline, a conglomeration of capital commentary, is daily required reading for journalists who want to stay on top of the latest government gossip or collect clever catch phrases they can pass off as relatively new. But what passes for new to the outside-the-Beltway public can tend to sound somewhat warmed over to the home crowd. The echo is deafening, Carlson says. Hotline's widely-used digest feature, which groups together pithy journalistic remarks on hot topics, reinforces the echo effect. Carlson says, People look at the digest of cable comments to come up with comments to say on cable. It's like plagiarizing yourself. Although newspaper and magazine clippings supply pundits with most of their cramming material, those who want their views to sound particularly fresh, original, or well-informed, may go one step further and seek counsel from experts in government, academics, and the press. While this sounds refreshingly like old-fashioned journalism, it isn't necessarily. Big name pundits may come to rely so extensively on one or two experts that the latter can build a second career on the relationship. So after looking over the Hotline,
[CTRL] TV Guide Deems Attack On USS Liberty Accidental (Note History Channel To Show Doc On USS Lierty on August 9, 2001 (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- TV Guide Deems Attack On USS Liberty Accidental As most of you know (and for the benefit of new subscribers) the History Channel is broadcasting a program on the June 8, 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty on Thursday, August 9, 2001, at 8PM Eastern Daylight Time. Among those interviewed and appearing in the program is Lloyd Painter who witnessed the machine gunning of the Liberty's life rafts in the water by Israeli torpedo boat personnel and who testified about that during his appearance before the USNavy Court of Inquiry only to find that his testimony has been removed from the official Report of the Court of Inquiry prior to its release to the public. To hear an advertisement the History Channel has been running about the program, click on http://208.56.153.48/jim/ussliberty/lib.ram A visit to the TV Guide website at http://www.tvguide.com and looking at the History Channel schedule regarding the program reveals the unsettling fact that TV Guide has deemed the attack to be an accident -- this despite the fact that (according to reviewers who have seen the program) the program host, Arthur Kent, concludes that attack was deliberate Their listing describes the program, An examination of the controversy surrounding the 1967 accidental destruction of the USS Liberty by Israeli air and naval forces during the Six-Day War. This is the same description they used when the program was initially scheduled for last February. We tried then -- unsuccessfully -- to find out who at TV Guide wrote the description and how to get it changed. If any subscribers to this list have any contacts at TV Guide we'd appreciate their contacting them to find out who wrote the description and why. Warmest regards, Joe Meadors Vice President USS Liberty Veterans Association http://www.ussliberty.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] efax: (425)675-5646 The story of the USS Liberty will be told in a one hour documentary on The History Channel August 9, 2001, at 8:00PM most time zones, 7:00PM Central. More details can be found online at http://www.ussliberty.com/historychannel/libertypromo.txt Visit our web site at http://www.ussliberty.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] God Forsaken in US Senate
Free Congress Foundation's Notable News Now August 8, 2001 The Free Congress Commentary God Forsaken in U.S. Senate by Paul M. Weyrich Senator Jeff Sessions, Republican of Alabama, discovered that after Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont took over the Chairmanship of the Senate Judiciary Committee from Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, he had dropped the phrase so help me God from the oath taken when swearing in witnesses. Sessions made an issue of this at a meeting of the Judiciary Committee last week and Leahy said he would return the phrase so help me God to oaths, a phrase which was added to the government oath by President George Washington. Leahy dismissed the controversy as a mistake, due to his short tenure as Chairman of the Committee, but Sessions doubts that. At the beginning of this year, before Dick Cheney was sworn in as Vice-President, the Democrats controlled the Senate, and conducted hearings. For example, it was the Democrats who held hearings on the nomination of John Ashcroft to be Attorney General. Sessions went back and examined the records of that brief period, and sure enough, there was no so help me God when the Democrats were in charge. Obviously, the dropping of the phrase was no accident, but quite intentional. This is not a surprise if you are familiar with the results of some survey research that the Democrats had done for them for the 1996 presidential election. That research indicated that there is 19% of the electorate who are either non-believers, atheists, or against the profession of religion in the political process. Those voters, although liberal, were not necessarily wedded to the Democratic Party in 1996. That was because Bill Clinton, the Democratic standard bearer that year, invoked the name of God at least as often as the Republicans. Thereafter, some Democratic campaign staffers crafted a strategy aimed at getting that vote squarely in the Democratic camp. One of the ideas suggested was an attack on all uses of God in the governing process. This group wanted to go after the In God We Trust on the currency, abolish the office of Chaplain for the House and Senate, and get rid of references to God in various public buildings. Most Democratic Party operatives rejected an overt assault on God, fearing that would alienate Middle American voters who had returned to the Democrats under Clinton. Whatever the reality, Clinton was regarded by most of the country as a middle-of-the-road Democrat. But these operatives reasoned that a quiet abolition of references to God could be done without calling attention to the initiative. The Judiciary Committee's move on the oath fits nicely into that strategy. Unfortunately for Leahy and the agnostic faction of the Democratic Party, Senator Sessions blew the whistle. And Leahy, a nominal Catholic, caved without a fight. Perhaps he told those Democratic strategists that he would go along with their idea unless it became an issue in which case, he didn't want to be caught defending the dismissal of God from his Committee. Watch for other indications of this strategy being implemented. Some public buildings are being renovated under contracts that were implemented during the Clinton era. Some religious historians have already charged that overt references to God and Christianity and religion in general are being expunged. Ronald Reagan used to remind us that we shouldn't ever presume that God is on our side on various issues but we should rather worry whether we are on God's side as we go forth in battle. That is something the Democrats might want to keep in mind as they try to implement this highly questionable strategy. Paul M. Weyrich is president of the Free Congress Foundation. For media inquiries, call Steve Lilienthal 202.204-5304 For other questions or comments, contact Angie Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our website at http://www.freecongress.org This publication is a service of the Free Congress Research and Education Foundation, Inc. (FCF) and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Free Congress Foundation nor is it an attempt to aid or hinder the passage of any bill. Free Congress Foundation * 717 Second Street, NE * Washington, DC 20002 * 202.546.3000 * Fax: 202.544.2819 Project Manager: Angela Wheeler * Copyright * 2001 Free Congress Foundation - All Rights Reserved.
[CTRL] Israel's rule of lawlessness
-Caveat Lector- Assalamu'alaikum, Israel's rule of lawlessness By Ali Abunimah The Jordan Times August 9, 2001 ON MARCH 6, 1988, Mairead Farrell, Sean Savage and Daniel McCann, all members of the Irish Republican Army (IRA), were gunned down by a British Army undercover squad on a street in Gibraltar, the British colony at the southern tip of Spain. The two men and a woman were felled with a hail of 29 bullets, 16 pumped into Savage alone. The British government, then led by Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, maintained that the three had been en route to plant a massive car bomb targeting a changing of the guard ceremony. Thatcher herself had narrowly escaped death in an IRA bombing of her hotel in Brighton in 1984, an attack that struck at the heart of her government, killing five people and injuring many more. Yet even with the background of IRA violence, the Gibraltar killings set off a debate that raged for years in the UK, as to whether the Thatcher government operated an illegal shoot to kill policy -- a policy of extrajudicial killings -- against IRA activists. The families of the Gibraltar Three took their case to the European Court of Human Rights, which ruled in September 1995 that although there was no evidence that the UK had operated such a policy, the killings in Gibraltar were unnecessary, even though the British soldiers honestly believed they had to act to prevent a bombing. The court found that the lethal shooting violated Article 2 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which guarantees the right to life and outlaws extrajudicial executions. The court ruled that the IRA members could and should have been arrested rather than gunned down in cold blood. Spanish Magistrate Baltasar Garzon, who gained international fame for his pursuit of former Chilean dictator General Augusto Pinochet, is also engaged in investigations much less well-known and much closer to home. Throughout the 1980s, the Spanish government, led by former Prime Minister Felipe Gonzalez conducted a dirty war against the Basque separatist group ETA, which had itself carried out many indiscriminate killings and bombings targeting Spanish civilians, police and politicians. Gonzalez, who led Spain for most of the period following the post-Franco restoration of democracy, has seen his reputation badly damaged by allegations and speculation about how much he knew or was involved in the Spanish government's own campaign of kidnappings, bombings and extrajudicial executions. In April 2000, General Enrique Rodriguez Galindo, Spain's most highly-decorated police officer, was sentenced to 71 years in prison by a Madrid court for ordering the kidnapping, torture and killing of two ETA members in 1983. The civil governor of the province of Guipuzcoa, who merely visited the kidnapped men while General Galindo was personally interrogating them, received an identical sentence. If Judge Garzon has his way, these convictions will not be the last. What these examples demonstrate is that in a real democracy, the methods employed by gangsters and criminals, such as murder, are impermissible for the state, even against its worst enemies. Few are the leaders in a democracy who even if they were involved in such horrors would boast about them. And the mere suspicion that a democratically-elected leader might have behaved in such a way is enough to set off a public outcry. Then there is Israel. At a recent meeting of the central committee of the Likud Party, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, addressing hundreds of delegates, boasted about the extrajudicial killings his government has ordered. He read off a list of names of Palestinians assassinated by Israeli army death squads, or helicopter gunships, and after each name shouted he's gone! (Bibi's back in town, Peretz Kidron, Middle East International, July 27, 2001) Sharon's boasting was supposed to mollify the delegates who were accusing him of being too soft and demanding even more brutality. Such a bloodcurdling spectacle is difficult to imagine even in the worst dictatorship, let alone in a country calling itself a democracy, as Israel does. What also distinguishes Israel from countries like the UK and Spain is the near total absence of any dissent or outrage among politicians and journalists, almost all of whom justify Israel's assassination policy on the grounds of self defence. Of course it escapes their notice, when making such arguments, that a country with an invasion army tens of thousands strong, belligerently occupying millions of people and their land in violation of international law and forcibly settling that land, is in an inherently aggressive posture and cannot claim to be defending itself. Yet the Israeli death campaign continues unabated. Global outrage and strong condemnation from the United States followed the July 31 missile attack on Nablus which killed eight Palestinians, including Ashraf and Bilal Khader, aged five and eight. Despite these protests,
[CTRL] Jam in the Echelon works
-Caveat Lector- Jam in the Echelon works http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/print_news.cfm?NewsID=1387 by Sandra Van Dijk and Wendy Brewer Friday, August 03 2001 Internet activists have planned a day of chaos set for 21 October in a bid to block the infamous computer surveillance network Echelon. 'Jam Echelon Day', a protest against government eves dropping, has been organised by several groups of internet hackers including Cipherwar.com and the Hacktivists. We are encouraging all persons who utilise any form of global communications to inform their circle of friends [about] Echelon. Along with this we are urging the inclusion of as many 'trigger words' within those communications as possible, says the Cipherwar website. This is not an attack, said a member of Cipherwar, who prefers to be known as 'Scully'. This is an educational campaign designed to raise awareness of Echelon. The Echelon system is said to monitor emails, telephone calls and other forms of electronic communication for so-called trigger words such as 'bomb', 'hacker' and 'terrorism'. By encouraging people to send out messages containing as many of these words as possible, there are over 1,500 listed on Cipherwar website, the activists hope to overload the surveillance system. But even the projects organisers doubt its success. While the goal of jamming up Echelon is an unattainable one, is it not better to signal displeasure at being monitored than passively allow it to happen? asked Scully. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Feds Arrest 100 for Child Porn
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Child-Porn-Indictments.html AUG 08, 2001 FEDS ARREST 100 FOR CHILD PORN By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS WASHINGTON (AP) -- One hundred people have been arrested as part of an undercover sting investigation into the largest known commercial child pornography business ever uncovered, federal officials said Wednesday. The two-year investigation began with Landslide Productions Inc., a Fort Worth, Texas, company owned by Thomas and Janice Reedy. Authorities said the company was at the center of an international child pornography business that distributed lewd pictures of children having sex to subscribers over the Internet. The Reedys were charged in an 89-count federal indictment with conspiracy to distribute and possession of child pornography. Landslide grossed as much as $1.4 million in one month alone, the profits coming from monthly fees viewers paid to access child pornography Web sites, authorities said. Called Operation Avalanche, the undercover operation was based on intelligence developed from the Landslide investigation and encompassed 30 federally funded task forces formed to combat Internet crimes against children. ``During an Operation Avalanche search, we found a collection of videotapes produced by a suspect depicting the sexual abuse of several young girls. One of the girls was only 4 years old,'' said Chief Postal Inspector Kenneth C. Weaver. He said the suspect had worked as a computer consultant. Pornography also was distributed through the mail, Weaver said. The Reedys were convicted last year on charges that included sexual exploitation of minors and distribution of child pornography. A federal judge on Monday sentenced Thomas Reedy, 37, to life in prison and his 32-year-old wife, Janice, to 14 years in prison. Landslide provided a credit card verification service that admitted customers into Web sites containing graphic pictures and videos of children engaging in sex acts with adults and with each other, the government charged. Landslide charged customers $29.95 per month for access and netted more than $1 million between 1997 and 1999, the government said. The Web site had about 250,000 subscribers. Holmes said authorities tracked down some of them using electronic and credit card information gathered in an investigation conducted by the postal inspection service, U.S. Customs Service, the FBI and the Dallas Police Department. It is illegal to possess child pornography. The porn sites were run by operators in Russia and Indonesia. Warrants have been issued for their arrest. Authorities said the Reedys kept 40 percent of the profits and gave the operators 60 percent. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Radio journalist assassinated in Costa Rica
-Caveat Lector- Spanish message follows. URGENT SOLIDARITY ALERT: Costa Rica Source: FIRE, Costa Rica Radio journalist assassinated in Costa Rica (July 2001) For the first time in its longtime democratic history, a journalist was assassinated recently in Costa Rica, most likely in response to his controversial work as an investigative journalist. On July 7, bullets silenced forever the voice of journalist Parmenio Medina, also silencing his right to freedom of expression and the press. Producer of the 28 year old radio program La Patada, (The Kick in English) Parmenio used humor and investigative journalism to present controversial stories on the public life of religious, political and business leaders in Costa Rica. He was taken to court four times by some of these leaders, and four times he won by presenting evidence that affirmed his credibility and right to free expression. As a matter of fact, he had recently won a fifth case before his assassination after Radio Monumental where he broadcast his program had closed it down. He took the case to the constitutional Supreme Court of Costa Rica and won against one of the biggest commercial radio stations in the country. His program was reinstalled on Monumental and he then continued broadcasting his weekly program. His search for truths that were hardly ever reported by mainstream media led him to work on the latest case he had uncovered at the time of his death. The exposure of the problems of Radio María, a two-year old Catholic radio station headed by the renowned fundamentalist priest, Father Minor Calvo, who´s radio station had amassed large sums of money, supposedly donated by believers and followers. Parmenio further exposed the hypocrisy of the priest who persecuted gays when the priest himself was found in a park of San José, late at night, with a young boy. The priest alleged that he was teaching the young man to drive. It was later proven by Parmenio that the adolescent had a two-year-old driving license. The scandal was so big that the head of the Catholic Church in the country had to close down the radio station and send Minor away in meditation. Parmenio had already announced that much more was to come, especially regarding questions of the origins of the millions made by Radio María. But the journalist was killed five days after this announcement was published in the weekly university newspaper Periódico Universidad. Evidence from the scene of the crime which occurred in Parmenio's car right near his home, the method of his assassination, and the fact that it took place just a few hours after he had finished producing his program, all point to the high likelihood that it was carried out by professional assassins hired by someone else. He was killed with three gunshots fired at close range: one in the mouth, to let everyone know that he talked too much; one in the back, to say he was being watched, and one in the aorta, to say that he had to die for what he said. Nothing was stolen from his person or the car. A police investigation is underway to find those responsible for the crime. Parmenio Medina was born in Colombia in 1939. In 1968 he came to live in Costa Rica and became a citizen of the country where he raised a family. Minor of Jesús Calvo. According to many sources, among them the former dean of the University of Costa Rica and Coordinator of the Peace and Human Development Program of the Arias Foundation, Dr. Fernando Durán Allanegui, the Archbishop of the Catholic Church was slow in removing Minor and closing down the radio in response to the scandal. Furthermore, the former university dean stated in a television program in Channel 15 that as a Catholic, he believes that the Archbishop should resign. The quest for the truth about Parmenio's assassination led popular organizations to request that the Ombusdman´s office in the country organize a protest march which took place on Tuesday, July 17. More than 3,000 people congregated in the Parque Nacional (National Park) in the center of San José to express their demand for an end to impunity. Among the posters that marchers carried during the activity, one stated: Ask Minor, he knows who did it. Another stated that it is time to separate Church and State while another asked: The Church, the government and business have freedom of expression because they have media...where are the public frequencies for the people? Hear voices about the issue in Spanish at www.fire.or.cr * AMARC INTERNATIONAL SOLIDARITY NETWORK RESEAU DE SOLIDARITE INTERNATIONALE DE L AMARC RED DE SOLIDARIDAD INTERNACIONAL DE AMARC ALERTA DE SOLIDARIDAD URGENTE: Costa Rica Source: FIRE, Costa Rica Duelo Nacional por asesinato de periodista (Julio 2001) Duro golpe para Democracia y Libertad de Expresión Costarricense FIRE, San José. El sábado 7 de Julio del 2001 pasará a la historia como el día en que en Costa Rica, por primera vez, fue
[CTRL] FBI Must Reveal Computer Snooping Technique
-Caveat Lector- FBI Must Reveal Computer Snooping Technique -Judge Updated: Tue, Aug 07, 2001 http://news.excite.com/news/r/010807/18/news-crime-surveillance-dc NEWARK, N.J. (Reuters) - A federal judge on Tuesday ordered the government to reveal the high-tech computer snooping technique used by the FBI to gather evidence against an alleged mobster. In a case that privacy advocates say smacks of Big Brother, U.S. District Judge Nicholas Politan ruled that the government must reveal the details of the computer monitoring system it used to gather evidence against Nicodemo Scarfo Jr., who is charged with running illegal gambling and loan-sharking operations for the Gambino crime family. Scarfo is the son of imprisoned mobster Nicodemo Little Nicky Scarfo. The case is believed to be the first in the nation in which federal agents installed a secret surveillance system in a personal computer system under search warrant, and the first to be tested in U.S. courts. The FBI recorded virtually every keystroke made on Scarfo's computer at his Belleville, New Jersey, business, including passwords, using a key logger device. Whether the system is hardware or software is unknown, prompting a motion by Scarfo's attorneys to reveal its makeup so they could have it analyzed and make a case to suppress the evidence it gathered. Politan ruled that in order to decide the lawfulness of the government surveillance, he must see a full report on how the device works, imposing an Aug. 31 deadline. In this new age of rapidly evolving technology, the court cannot make a determination as to the lawfulness of the government's search ... without knowing specifically how the search was effectuated, he wrote. This requires an understanding of how the key logger device functions. In most, if not all search and seizure cases, the court ... understands the particular method by which the search is executed. ... Because of the advanced technology used the court does not have the benefit of such an understanding. The government argued that revealing the workings of the system might jeopardize national security and endanger FBI personnel and those working with them. Politan gave the government 10 days to provide additional evidence as to why revealing the technology would endanger ongoing investigations and later national security operations. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Genoa police unit trained by [LAPD]
-Caveat Lector- Genoa police unit trained by [LAPD] Tue, 7 Aug 2001 ROME (Reuters) - An elite Italian police unit which carried out a bloody raid against protesters at a Group of Eight summit in Genoa was trained by U.S. police chiefs, an Italian newspaper reported Tuesday. For four months, 70 specially selected officers were trained by two Los Angeles police sheriffs. A larger number of police also received a week-long training course from the Americans, according to the Communist daily Liberazione. The prime responsibility of the two Los Angeles sheriffs was to train the men from the special unit in the use of American aluminum batons, an unidentified policeman who took part in the one-week course was quoted as saying. From the start, they openly criticized the way in which Italian police carry out public order, he said. Not only is the use of foreign expertise likely to cause consternation, but the fact the officers came from Los Angeles, a city scarred by mass riots in 1992 following the police beating of black motorist Rodney King, also raises serious questions. In a midnight assault on a school which was acting as a headquarters for protest groups during the July 20-22 summit, 62 people were injured and 93 arrested. Many were laid out on stretchers with blood-stained faces. Reporters who entered the school soon afterwards saw blood stains on the walls and broken teeth scattered on the floor. At least one protester has since undergone brain surgery. Allegations of police brutality have flooded in and three top police officials have been transferred by the interior minister, who has faced calls for his own resignation. The Interior Ministry declined to make a comment at this time on the involvement of the American sheriffs. As well as brutality, there were also allegations that police sexually assaulted female protesters. Two weeks after the summit, nearly 50 demonstrators are still in prison. Many say their human and civil rights have been violated. The police source told the paper the American sheriffs had said repeatedly that in Los Angeles all we need is a nucleus of 20 cops to disperse hundreds of demonstrators because we can fire rubber bullets which wound, but don't kill. On the first day of the Genoa summit, a 23-year-old protester who was attacking a police vehicle was shot and killed by an Italian paramilitary policeman. The source also said that the week-long course he had been assigned to was more like a military boot camp. We marched, learned how to form shield defenses and how to jump through fire or out of a moving vehicle, he said. It was more like a medieval tournament. In the end we were doing purely military training. There seemed no difference between police officers and soldiers. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [American_Liberty] GoreCam Shelved
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 08 Aug 2001 02:22:22 -0400, Alexandra H. Mulkern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We'll store Triana in here. In a shipping container, a metal box, Watzin said, looking through a window at the storage room. We'll find a corner out of the way. For Gore Spacecraft, All Systems Aren't Go Earth Observation Satellite Shelved By Joel Achenbach Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, August 8, 2001; Page A01 A $100 million Earth-observing spacecraft conceived in the middle of the night by then-Vice President Al Gore will soon be entombed in an aluminum box in the corner of Building 7 at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt. No one knows if it will ever fly. Triana, sometimes known as the GoreCam or GoreSat, was designed to study the Earth's climate and monitor global warming from a vantage point a million miles from the planet. NASA originally planned to launch it aboard the space shuttle later this year. Political opposition by Republicans in Congress delayed the project, however, and Triana lost its slot in the shuttle schedule. Budgetary pressures then forced NASA to cut back on the frequency of shuttle missions, and the agency has decided that, for the moment, the shuttle has no room for Triana. Like the political career of the man who envisioned it, the satellite may face a prolonged period in cold storage. Construction is complete. Calibration of the instruments is in the final stages. The spacecraft has been variously baked and chilled inside a steel vacuum chamber. Engineers have vibrated the satellite on a shaker table. They have placed it in an acoustic test cell and blasted it with the sound of a shuttle rocketing into space. Triana has passed every test so far and within a matter of weeks will be officially declared space-worthy. All it lacks is a ride into space. The scientists and engineers who labored on the project are dismayed. We have spent $120 million, we have a spacecraft that is ready to fly, we have developed the instruments, we have calibrated and tested it, and we have developed all the scientific algorithms to retrieve the climate data we want to study. Imagine what a tremendous waste it would be. This should not be thrown away into the garbage can, said Francisco P.J. Valero, an atmospheric physicist at the Scripps Institution of the University of California at San Diego and the lead scientist on the project. It's very frustrating, Triana scientist Steve Geary said. This is not a paycheck. This is a mission we believe in. NASA spokesman Dave Steitz said the agency still expects to launch Triana sometime within the next several years. The decision to shelve the spacecraft for now is purely a matter of budgets and scientific priorities, he said. We would like to see Triana complete a successful science mission. But that being said, we have to live within our budget, Steitz said. Triana has been derided by Republican critics, and its political pedigree is unusual for a scientific instrument. But Valero and Geary have not alleged that NASA's decision is politically motivated. Asked whether politics played a role in the decision, Valero said, That is a very difficult question. I am not a politician, and I don't know. We scientists do not like to talk about things we don't understand. Steitz said, I think the politics left a long time ago, if there were any. If nothing else, Triana reveals the vulnerability of scientific missions at a time when NASA is constructing the budget-devouring International Space Station. Most space shuttle flights are dedicated to that multiyear project. Triana was always considered a secondary payload on the shuttle. Other scientific missions, such as the servicing of the Hubble Space Telescope, were higher priorities. Triana has been an atypical mission since it sprang from the brain of the vice president in March 1998, reportedly at 3 o'clock in the morning. Gore, who for years kept an Apollo-era photograph of the whole Earth on his office wall, envisioned a camera in deep space, permanently pointed at the Earth and sending real-time imagery to be seen on cable TV and the Internet 24 hours a day. Gore felt the mission would have both scientific and spiritual dimensions. I believe it will have inspirational value that's hard to describe, Gore said at the time. He wanted it named Triana, after Rodrigo de Triana, the sailor on Columbus's ship who first sighted land. Weather satellites can observe continent-sized swaths of the surface, but not an entire hemisphere. Satellites in low-earth orbit glimpse only fragments of the planet. But a million miles from Earth, directly toward the sun, is an orbital position known as L1 that is a handy place to station a satellite. At L1, the gravity of the Earth partly neutralizes the gravity of the sun. A satellite at L1 would continuously orbit the sun on a line between the sun and the Earth. There are satellites at L1 that study the sun, measuring incoming streams of
[CTRL] Fwd: Vidal casts McVeigh as a hero
WEDNESDAY AUGUST 08 2001 Vidal casts McVeigh as a hero http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-2001272364,00.html FROM JAMES BONE IN NEW YORK GORE VIDAL, publishing the first extracts of his death row correspondence with Timothy McVeigh, has described the executed Oklahoma City bomber as a hero and cast doubt on whether he acted alone. The American man of letters became an unlikely soulmate for McVeigh, a self-styled anti-government warrior, when he published a 1998 essay in Vanity Fair magazine lamenting the Government's assault on Americans' liberties and the shredding of our Bill of Rights. McVeigh, already in prison for the worst terrorist attack on US soil, wrote to Vidal to commend the piece, initiating what would become an off-and-on three-year correspondence that culminated in an invitation to witness his execution. Vidal has now published parts of his pen pal's letters along with his own often polemical analysis of the case in Vanity Fair, hinting that government infiltrators may have had a hand in the 1995 bombing that killed 168 people. The kinship between the two men is apparent from the start. Writing with perfect grammar and spelling in a slanting hand, McVeigh tells Vidal in his second letter that he had read his political musings and I think you'd be surprised at how much of that material I agree with. As to your letter, I fully recognise that 'the general rebellion against what our government has become is the most interesting (and I think important) story in our history this century', he wrote. In the four years since the bombing, your work is the first to really explore the underlying motivations for such a strike against the US Government and for that, I thank you. Although I have many observations that I'd like to throw at you, I must keep this letter to a practical length - so I will mention just one: if federal agents are like 'so many Jacobins at war' with the citizens of this country, and if federal agencies 'daily wage war' against those citizens, then should not the OKC bombing be considered a 'counterattack' rather than a self-declared war? Would it not be more akin to Hiroshima than Pearl Harbor? Vidal, whose historical fiction displays a penchant for conspiracy theories, seems won over by McVeigh's logic. Noting that McVeigh made no final statement before his execution other than copying out the poem Invictus by W.E. Henley, he points out that Henley's other works included an anthology entitled Lyra Heroica, (1892) about those who performed selfless heroic deeds. The stoic serenity of McVeigh's last days certainly qualified him as a Henley-style hero, Vidal writes. He did not complain about his fate; took responsibility for what he was thought to have done; did not beg for mercy as our always sadistic media require. He seems more and more to have stumbled into the wrong American era. Plainly, he needed a self-consuming cause to define him. The abolition of slavery or the preservation of the Union would have been more worthy of his life than anger at the excesses of our corrupt secret police. Vidal missed McVeigh's execution when it was rescheduled because the FBI found new documents that it had not provided to his defence lawyers. But his subsequent investigations have left him deeply suspicious of the FBI's case and convinced that, despite his own confession, McVeigh was part of a wider conspiracy. Evidence . . . is overwhelming that there was a plot involving militia types and government infiltrators - who knows? - as prime movers to create panic to get Clinton to sign that infamous Anti-Terrorism Act, Vidal writes.
[CTRL] Fwd: FW: ESF Manipulations, 1941-48/Excerpt from Blowback, by Christopher Simpson, Weidenfeld Nicholson, 1988
-Original Message- From: Catherine Austin Fitts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:14 AM To: Bill Murphy Subject: ESF Manipulations, 1941-48/Excerpt from Blowback, by Christopher Simpson, Weidenfeld Nicholson, 1988 Bill: I have been going back and reviewing Reg Howe's lawsuit and the documents on the GATA trying to figure out how to connect the dots between Treasury's gold transactions and material omissions and misleading disclosure with what I believe are Treasury/FED manipulation of government slush funds for black budget/covert operations at HUD, Social Security and other federal agencies---and a pattern of material omissions and misleading disclosure at those agencies. With that in mind, I was re-reading Christopher Simpson's description of Dulles and Sullivan Cromwell's role in working with the Vatican to influence post WW-II elections in Italy, using the slush funds financed with Nazi Gold. I first started looking at this in response to trying to understand the game that Rubin was playing with reparations for Nazi gold during 1995-97. (For more information on the reparations war during the Clinton Administration, see http://www.newsmakingnews.com/catharvarddatadumpnazigold.htm) It helps as your read the excerpt below to remember that the US intelligence agencies (including ONI) worked very closely with the Italian mafia for their help in the Italian landing and WWII. Oddly enough it was the Administration's efforts on Nazi gold that enabled researchers to access the archives for OSS and WWII intelligence operations that illuminate the extraordinary interconnections between AIG and the CIA and US intelligence operations. I can forward some of that material if you are interested. I believe that much of US history in the last fifty years can be explained by the process required to replenish these slush funds, as the black budgets and covert operations grew steadily and hence the hunger for off balance sheet money grew with it. The Sullivan Cromwell-Goldman Sachs-AIG-Treasury-State-Fed dance is not something that sprung up lately. Here are some excerpts. As roads grew up along cow paths, so perhaps what we are seeing in terms of false accounting and missing assets--whether at HUD or Treasury---is something for which history can provide some clues. Our thanks to Simpson whose book is truly remarkable. I recommend it highly for those who want to understand how the money really works. Catherine Austin Fitts Solari === Pages 87-92: Not all the clandestine containment programs were aimed at the USSR and its satellites. Some of the early applications of these tactics began in Western Europe. The Italian elections of early 1948 marked another important milestone in the development of US covert operations and in high-level US support for use of former Nazi collaborators The Italian Communist party was favored to score heavily in the 1948 elections, and many analysts said that the party might democratically win control of the country's' government. This prospect created such alarm in Washington that George Kennan--by then the foremost long range strategist for the US government--went so far as to advocate direct US military occupation of the Foggia oil fields if the voting results went wrong from the point of view of the United States. Washington's apprehension was shared-indeed, was enthusiastically fueled--by the Holy See. The church's hierarchy, which was already under severe economic and political pressure in Eastern Europe, feared a Community takeover of the very heart of its institution, or at least of its worldly resources.. The election campaign became a major test of containment and of its accompanying clandestine political warfare strategy. Allen Dulles, Frank Wisner, James Angleton, William Colby, and a team of other top-ranked US intelligence officials put together a crash program of propaganda, sabotage, and secret funding of Christian Democratic candidates designed to frustrate the Italian Communist Party's ambitions. The CIA was a young organization in those days and was primarily limited (until June 1948) to simple information gathering and analysis. Therefore, much of this campaign was handled on an ad hoc basis out of the offices of Allen and John Foster Dulles at the Sullivan Cromwell law firm in New York. Kennan watched events unfold from his vantage point at State Department headquarters in Washington, while Thayer kept up a steady cannonade of pro-West and anti-Communist broadcasts over the Voice of America. Working in close coordination with the Vatican and with prominent Americans of Italian or Catholic heritage, the CIA found that its effort in Italy succeeded well beyond expectations. On a public level the United States dumped $350 million in announced civil and military aid into the country during this campaign alone. Bing Crosby,
[CTRL] Brazil's Army Defends Spying Activities
-Caveat Lector- Tuesday, 07-Aug-01 Brazil's Army Defends Spying Activities http://www.montereyca.com/rc/news/docs/09724822.htm BRASILIA, Brazil (Reuters) - Brazil's army defended its spying activities on Tuesday in response to a newspaper report on how it gathered information on radical social movements, but said it would investigate alleged ``transgressions.'' In a three-page statement, the army said a report alleging that it spied on social movements it labeled ``adversaries'' included references to spying practices no longer used by the army, which ruled Brazil from 1964 to 1985. The report, published last week by daily Folha de Sao Paulo based on a set of army documents it had obtained, included a document in which the army allegedly said, ``often it is even necessary to scratch out citizens' rights'' in order to maintain public order. Human rights groups were outraged by the report, saying it showed the army still used practices of the dictatorship. The army said statements like ``'scratching out citizens rights' and 'eliminate opponents''' were no longer included in any of its documents on intelligence gathering. But it added, ``Like any armed force committed to the efficient fulfillment of its mission, the Brazilian army has an intelligence system to provide the command with the necessary information to take decisions to fulfill its constitutional mission.'' The statement said, however, that the army would investigate the documents to verify whether they include ''transgressions from the norms that govern army intelligence, allowing for the necessary corrections.'' It said a reported description of the radical Landless Movement (MST), which groups poor rural workers who illegally occupy unused farmland to make a living, as an adversary ``may be improper.'' MST leaders were angered by the report alleging that the army spied on their group. The army said the description of the MST as an ``adversary'' was improper. Rather, that applied to those within the MST ''that act on the margin of the law.'' A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] U.S. Air Force Linked to Electronic Warfare Attack in Tennessee
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews31.html Click Here: A HREF=http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews31.html;U.S. Air Force Linked to Electronic Warfare Att /A - U.S. Air Force Linked to Electronic Warfare Attack in Tennessee By Alfred Webre, EcoNews Service (Vancouver, BC) http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews31.html HARTSVILLE, TENN - Newly released documentary and eyewitness evidence now links an apparent July 6, 2001 electronic warfare attack on a radio station and weekly newspaper in Hartsville, Tennessee to a nearby unacknowledged secret access project (USAP). This secret project, eyewitnesses say, includes the U.S. Air Force as paymaster, U.S. government aircraft as transportation and security craft; military troops in black uniforms; and black unmarked triangular aircraft. The project may also include a secret electronic warfare unit capable of disabling nearby media outlets with destructive electromagnetic energy. It has now known that an official U.S. Air Force cheque was used to pay for the clandestine installation of massive telephone switching equipment at a defunct Tennessee Valley Authority nuclear power plant about five miles from the target media outlets. The private contractor who installed the unusually large switching system at a former nuclear power plant that is still officially defunct reported this to the WJKM investigators on condition of anonymity. Historically, the U.S Air Force has pioneered in the development and use of electronic warfare against civilian targets and populations, notably in the NATO war in Yugoslavia. Speaking to a live radio audience on July 21, WJKM general manager Ted Randall for the first time publicly released the results on his station's official on-going investigation of the attack. Dan Fluehe and Matt Aaron of WJKM, host Clyde Lewis along with this reporter, Alfred Webre, participated in the radio program. WJKM's investigation has eliminated other possible causes of the electromagnetic blast, such as power transformer malfunction caused by birds or internal mechanical problems. Centrexnews reporter Joel Skousen, who initially reported that birds caused the electronic attack, declined to participate in the radio program. Although the nuclear facility has been officially closed for some time, eyewitnesses now testify to clandestine activities going on at the site. These include sightings of tractor-trailer trucks entering and leaving the former nuclear power plant at 2 or 3 AM; sightings of C-130 military aircraft flying over the facility as if to land; sightings of unmarked black helicopters monitoring the area; sightings of military troops in unmarked black uniforms; and - yes - multiple witness reports of black triangular craft hovering over the former power plant. Civilians venturing near the site have also reported being aggressively ejected by a private police force of about 30 plain-clothes men. Randall presented live and audiotaped eyewitness testimony of the destructive effects of the electronic attack, including a tell-tale flashing blue pulse that accompanied the destruction, and usually accompanies the discharge of electromagnetic pulse weapons. He also presented audio recordings of the audible electronic hum that accompanied the alleged attack, a clear electronic signature of an electromagnetic weapon attack. The accompanying surges during the event fit the pattern of an electronic attack. According to WJKM, These surges are not just coming into the power lines. They are also entering the radio station through phone lines and the antenna system. This is evident in blown telephone equipment. Sometimes the equipment is not destroyed but the program settings are scrambled or wiped out. On the air, Randall described photographs of dead, electronically-fried birds that littered a mile-square area around the radio station, now posted on the station's Internet website at http://www.1090wjkm.com/ Randall stated that local residents are experiencing adverse health effects. Randall said, It is also interesting that according listeners have called in, there has apparently been an increase in what they are calling fibromyalgia. This is a disease name appointed to the unexplainable severe and disabling pain throughout the entire body over recent years, as well as, an increase in headaches mimicking migraines that are not actual migraines. Randall documented the 2.4 Richter underground seismic earthquake that struck the area on July 7, the day after the electronic attack, from 10-10:30 PM. Randall also posted the HAARP magnetometer readings on the WJKM website for the two days - July 6 and July 7. Both the electronic attack and the unusual earthquake were accompanied by massive, anomalous bursts of electromagnetic pulse energy from HAARP, the U.S. Navy's electromagnetic pulse military facility and possible environmental weapons system in Gakona, Alaska. Coincidentally (and perhaps causally) HAARP's magnetometer
[CTRL] Fwd: Fw: NEW WORLD ORDER COPS...
I am preparing a reference that shows where this tactic was used extensively even by the templars and early church as far back as the 11th century...they create their own enemies and its the perfect controlits why I say the adl and the nazi's are in the same camp...and even if they aren't it sure looks that way, they have both ridden to great power and wealth on the backs of ignorant people it is the old divide and distract scenario playing both ends against the middle most people fall for it just like the good cop/bad cop show that was played by clinton and bush who BOTH WORK FOR THE SAME PEOPLE the blacks fell for it in a big way, and most of america falls for it every day if you can set up a conflict it is the ultimate profit in a place where money has been made into god the dramatic artifice that permeates all media was truly born in this society during the Crucifixion of yeshua ben miriam, the rabbi who romans call jesus christread holy blood holy grail...the engineered Second Coming of a Christ or Blood of Christ the masses have been conditioned to accept is the nexus of this NWO plan...the editor of omni magazine kathy keeton saw it and started raising hell about it right before she DIED...heh heh heh read on, this is good: closed circle for the elite to feed upon On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 20:04:25 -0400 Taoss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya Bill, thought you might find this interesting...not that you don't already know, but that it is being sent around the web -- hope everyone takes the time to read it. S -Original Message- From: Brenda Pitts Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, August 05, 2001 6:24 PM Subject: NEW WORLD ORDER COPS... Black Masked Agent Provocateurs at the Genoa G-8 Summit: Firsthand reports suggest global rioting and police responses-are ORCHESTRATED [NWO Machiavellian Manipulation?] Please pass around? NEW WORLD ORDER COPS Some Thoughts On The News behind The News: Paying Attention Skousen is a really sharp guy, and his insights are usually right on the money. This report verifies my own observations, and expands upon my information considerably. Watching the manipulation of governments into pro-Globalists, watching young people and the masses in general, most of them well meaning enough, but being carefully manipulated into serving as precedent setters. And all this activity is, coincidentally, is being recorded by the heartless gaze of global television's news cameras. If we watch closely, as Skousen and others are doing, we can gain a real-world education in globalist Machiavellianism. The NWO is certainly the master of such tactics, and have turned it into an art form. It is almost enviable...almost. Yet, the long-term results a global leadership under such tyrants and bloodthirsty hedonists is truly a frightening thought! Yet how can any thinking person, who avails himself of more news and insights than available on the major network television news (wake up you couch potatoes out there), conclude otherwise? for those of us with eyes to see, it is VERY clear that the manipulation of global events shows every sign of being carefully orchestrated by brilliant minds...minds set upon installing, and permanently empowering, a global ruling class. History will record their design and intent. Yet, for now, many of those of us who can see the patterns in the apparent flow of global events are carefully and systematically labeled paranoid, or conspiracists. Clever labels, but only a predictable ruse. It has been VERY effective, though. Yet, for any skeptics out there, here's the REAL STORY. There is, in reality, A NEW WORLD ORDER. It is relentless. It is driven by the power elite. It is fed by mankind's greed, and by the vision of brilliant evil men and women. And it is—lest we become contented in our materialism—a juggernaut, with no intention of sharing the spoils with anyone except club members! Joel Skousen is one of many journalists and chroniclers who feels the call to serve his fellow men through journalism. He does a god job of pulling together the puzzle pieces of current events, such that those events which fit into the patterns woven by the NWO's web of deceit is revealed. Had the insect known he was flying into a web, he'd not fly where the spider wanted him to, would he? Yet, it is difficult to paint the big picture for a blind man. Those who wish to understand the New World Order, and through this the ebb and flow of events related to their plans as they unfurl, need to be self-educating. It goes without saying that one cannot think for himself, without the possession of REAL facts. Another fact is that the gathering of FACTS takes time. And today time is a commodity that is truly scarce in a society that fills up it's schedule doing stuff! providing unreported news, unique insights and a more global and/or homogeneous big picture, is something
[CTRL] Infamous Nixon tape gap to receive further analysis
-Caveat Lector- Infamous Nixon tape gap to receive further analysis By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press WASHINGTON (August 8, 2001 12:17 p.m. EDT) - The National Archives moved another step forward Wednesday toward uncovering what was said during the infamous 18 1/2-minute gap on one of President Nixon's tapes recorded three days after the Watergate break-in. Before they get a chance to decipher the series of clicks, hisses and buzzes heard on the gap, audio experts interested in the challenge will have to pass tests to prove they can really retrieve voices from the tape. And, according to ground rules the archives announced on Wednesday, they have to prove they won't mangle the fragile original tape in the process. The tests will determine whether they have the technology of retrieving voices - or whatever was on the original tape - and that the tape will come back to us in its original condition, said Susan Cooper, a spokeswoman for the archives. The gap is part of a recording made June 20, 1972, in the old Executive Office Building as Nixon chatted with his chief of staff, H.R. Haldeman. Public disclosure of the erasure, late the following year, eroded Nixon's credibility at a time when his presidency was unraveling over the June 17, 1972, break-in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters in the Watergate. This isn't the first time experts have tried to figure out what was on the tape. A panel of experts set up in the 1970s by federal judge John Sirica, who presided over the Watergate criminal trials, concluded that the erasures were done in at least five - and perhaps as many as nine - separate and contiguous segments. The panel never figured out what was erased. Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Lawyers May Reveal Secrets of Clients, Bar Group Rules
-Caveat Lector- From: Aleisha Saba 'When I read this I thought of Gary Condit stopping a story re intellectual property rights Actually, it wasn't a story but an item of what can be loosely defined as art'...it was on sale on Ebay, and consisted of what looked to be pictures and words cut out of various tabloids (the pictures consisted of Levy, Condit, and an ax placed prominently next to Condit), pasted onto some sort of background and some very bright red paint or ink splashed between the pasted on cutouts... Condit's people succeeded in getting Ebay to pull the item from auction, claiming that the item violated Condit's intellectual property rights... A claim that has to be based solely on the sole image of Condit included in the piece of 'art' (unless Condit is claiming either the ax, or the red paint/ink, are somehow his intellectual property rights)...if so, then every tabloid in the nation that has his picture in it, and every news show that runs a clip of him, must also be violating his 'intellectual property rights'... so he must be going to write a book, and Chandra if she is still alive, is out there writing a book No, Condit must be considering moonlighting as an 'artiste', and perhaps wishes to market his own line of axes and/or red paint/ink... Perhaps he's copyrighted that particular shade of red ;-) June ;-) - --- * Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno com for: * * Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) * Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (because it's always summer somewhere on the globe) * Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (because everyday is a holiday somewhere) -- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] EPA Seen Easing Coal Plant Emission Standards
-Caveat Lector- Wednesday August 8 3:51 PM ET EPA Seen Easing Coal Plant Emission Standards By Chris Baltimore WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration, under pressure from utilities, is expected to soon roll back Clinton-era rules requiring utilities and refiners to install costly pollution curbs on coal-fired power plants, an environmental group said on Wednesday. The Environmental Protection Agency (news - web sites) faces a deadline next Friday to issue its assessment of the Clinton administration's strict rules requiring reduced emissions from power plants that are upgraded or expanded. John Walke, an attorney for the Natural Resources Defense Council and a former EPA lawyer, told Reuters the agency will propose to substantially weaken the Clean Air Act. ``We will see the administration announce an initiative that will relax and weaken this important Clean Air Act program,'' Walke said. Walke worked in the EPA general counsel's office until last August, and was involved with the Clinton administration's push to tighter Clean Air Act standards. An EPA spokesman said it was ``too early'' to know what would be in the report and would not confirm Walke's statements. But Walke said it would contain ``a series of derogatory statements on the Clean Air Act,'' which would be the basis for rulemaking and policies to relax emission standards. The Washington Post reported on Wednesday that the pollution requirements would be scaled back. ``We have known for a number of years the program could be improved,'' a senior EPA official told the Post. ``That's coming to a real clear head here. There needs to be things done that would still protect the environment and provide industry with certainty and flexibility.'' EMISSION CREDITS TRADING The Bush administration would suggest replacing strict limits on air emissions with a market-based emission credit regime allowing dirty power plants to buy emission rights from cleaner ones, Walke said. The EPA report would be followed by a legislative package in September from the White House to amend the Clean Air Act to rein back controls on power plant emissions and enact emissions trading, Walke said. The report was ordered in mid-May by Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites)'s energy task force as part of a broad set of recommendations. The task force gave the EPA 90 days to review the Clinton era policy. ``When the president gives a deadline you don't miss it,'' Walke said. ``But that doesn't give (EPA) time to do the analysis they need.'' Under the Clean Air Act, older power plants must add modern anti-pollution devices when the facilities expand. But that has led to court battles over what kinds of plant upgrades warrant the expensive equipment. The report will center on three pollutants -- sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides and mercury -- but will not address carbon dioxide, pegged by some scientists as a primary cause of global warming. Industry officials do not want carbon dioxide emission standards to be regulated by the EPA. The EPA initiative is part of the administration's energy plan, which pegs the Clean Air Act as an impediment to growth in electricity generation. Last month, EPA Administrator Christine Todd Whitman (news - web sites) said the administration planned to replace many of the federal clean air rules for power plants with simpler emission targets. Whitman, after testifying before a Senate committee hearing, declined to identify what targets were being considered. INDUSTRY SAYS RULES TOO DIFFICULT New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer called any move by the EPA to weaken the pollution rules a ``grave mistake'' that would jeopardize the nation's air quality. New York is among more than a half-dozen eastern states that have sued several utilities for allegedly failing to install pollution controls on plants that underwent renovations or expansion. FirstEnergy Corp., Cinergy Corp and Dominion Resources Inc. face separate lawsuits. The Edison Electric Institute, an industry group that lobbied hard for easing the costly rules, said it was not yet clear what the EPA planned to do. ``There are no commitments from the administration or EPA one way or the other. We do not have an ultimate indication of what they're planning to do,'' said Dan Riedinger, an institute spokesman. The institute contends that Clean Air Act standards get in the way of power plant operators' ability to perform routine maintenance and upgrades on their plants and have been applied inconsistently by regulators. Because of the EPA review, the Justice Department (news - web sites) has put on hold dozens of cases against utilities, oil companies and other firms accused or suspected of violating the Clean Air Act. During the Clinton administration, the Justice Department and states took action against 13 power companies for violations at 51 plants in 12 states. Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com
[CTRL] Hiroshima Mon Amour
http://www.etherzone.com/raim081501.shtml HIROSHIMA MON AMOUR WHY AMERICANS ARE BARBARIANS By: Justin Raimondo The idea that America is, in any sense, a civilized country is easily dispelled by the orgy of self-congratulation and rationalization that accompanies the dual anniversaries of Harry Truman's decision to atom bomb the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Want your gorge to rise? Check out the New York Post editorial "The Bomb That Saved Millions," (August 6) which justifies the bombings as a "military necessity." The editorial opines that "few at the time questioned President Harry S. Truman's wisdom in using the devastating new weapon, but revisionist historians and political activists maintain now – more than a half-century later – that the atomic bombing of Japan was militarily unnecessary and morally unacceptable." The Post is New York City's most popular newspaper – a place where the official standard of morality is closer to the Code of Lek than the Ten Commandants. So why are we not surprised that the Post finds all this appalling? TRASHING AMERICA? The incineration of hundreds of thousands, and the slow death by radiation sickness of tens of thousands more, morally unacceptable? The nerve of these "revisionists"! Why, they must be Commies or unrepentant hippies to believe such a thing, and sure enough, as it turns out: "Indeed, these historians – many of whom came of age during the Vietnam era, when trashing America was all the rage in academia – consider Truman and others who approved the bomb's use to be nothing less than war criminals." This, we are told, is "nonsense." All those deaths, and possibly more, were justified by "military necessity": to hear them tell it, without the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, World War II might well be going on to this day. DISSENTING VOICES One of the job qualifications for being a New York Post editorial writer is a complete ignorance of history, as well as an amorality that might be called Murdochian, as this little screed makes all too clear. For the myth of "military necessity" as a justification for the incineration of two cities has been convincingly debunked by the so-called revisionists, who have shown that the decision to drop the bomb was opposed by an impressive list of Truman's top commanders, General Douglas MacArthur among them. In The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb, historian Gar Alperovitz reveals that Truman's chief of staff, Admiral William Leahy, chief of Naval Operations Admiral Ernest J. King, Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Admiral William "Bull" Halsey, Rear Admiral Lewis L. Strauss, commanding general of the U.S. Army Air Forces Henry H. "Hap" Arnold, General Claire Chennault of the Flying Tigers, Army Strategic Air Forces Commander Carl Spatz, and Army Air Force General Curtis "Bombs Away" Lemay, all challenged the military necessity argument. Among Truman's top advisors, Secretary of State Stimson, Assistant Secretary of War John McCloy, former Ambassador to Japan Joseph Grew, Navy Under Secretary Ralph Bard, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, all took issue with the decision in one way or another. In 1963, Dwight Eisenhower told Newsweek that "it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing." ALTERNATIVES TO MASS MURDER There were a lot of alternatives: Truman could have demonstrated the power of the bomb without wiping out several hundred thousand civilians. He could have altered the Rooseveltian insistence on unconditional surrender. At the time, the US was intercepting all Japanese coded messages, and deciphering them, and Truman knew that this was the main obstacle to Japan's peace party. British Prime Minister Winston Churchill urged Truman to relent and allow the Japanese to surrender, keeping their Emperor system and their honor intact. But it was no go. When Truman stook the reins, US pronouncements on the subject did not significantly deviate from the unconditional surrender formula, and were purposefully vague. THE HIROHITO FACTOR Another argument against the "military necessity" rationale is that even after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki the Japanese refused to surrender. Nagasaki was still burning as the Japanese Cabinet met to consider the question: the vote was 12 in favor of surrender, with 3 against and 1 undecided. Since unanimity was required, the war was not stopped until Emperor Hirohito personally intervened. He was persuaded to do so by the proponents of peace within the Japanese government, who were given the upper hand not by the dropping of the bomb but by the understanding that the Emperor system would be preserved by the Allied victors. TRUMP CARD This is underscored by General MacArthur's belief that a full-scale invasion of Japan would be necessary even after the atom bombs were dropped. For, as many of Truman's political and military advisors informed him, the Japanese considered their Emperor to be
[CTRL] Fwd: Vatican Offiial Accuse Jews Of Slander : Say Groups Like the ADL Are Eng...
Vatican Offiial Accuse Jews Of Slander Say Groups Like the ADL Are Engaged in Immoral Behavior Towards Catholic Church 8/8/01 1:50:24 PM LSN Staff Vatican, Vatican City -- Father Peter Gumpel, a Vatican official in charge of the Catholic Church's archives, has publically attacked the work of a group of American Jewish scholars which he says are attempting to slander the Catholic Church by misrepresenting information in the archives to create a false link between the Vatican and the Holocaust, which the groups then intend to use in a shakedown campaign to win reparations from the Catholic faith. The ADL and other radically anti-Catholic, Masonic-inspired Jewish pressure groups have been demanding that the Vatican continue to release to them files regarding the role of the Catholic Church in the deaths of Jews during World War II. The Vatican cut off such research after American Jewish writers used unearthed material in a slander campaign against the Pope, accusing his World War II counterpart of assisting the Nazis, and demanding that the Catholic Church give Jewish organizations free money as reparations for whatever insults these organization imagine that Jews collectively suffered. The ADL was founded as an arm of B'nai B'rith, a Masonic organization that coordinated its early activities with a number of European lodges and occult personalities that were known for being both radically anti-Catholic and open worshippers of Satan. The ADL now makes pretense to representing all Jewish people in the world, and assists other, similar Jewish organizations in using the body of mythology and faith the group has promulgated around the Holocaust -- the death of Jewish civilians during the Second World War -- to pressure various businesses, governments, and individuals with money to give that money to Jewish groups for free. The Jewish groups then, instead of distributing the money to Jews who may actually have been wronged at some point in time, take most of the money for themselves, and use it to fund educational programs and monuments which reinforce their mythological position, and allow them to extort more money. Libertarian Socialist News Post Office Box 12244 Silver Spring, MD 20908 http://www.overthrow.com (check out our messageboards -- discuss this story on-line!) (Formerly http://www.libertariansocialist.com)
[CTRL] Rush Limbaugh takes aim at UFO politics
-Caveat Lector- === Aug. 8, 2001 Rush takes aim at UFO politics By Billy Cox A FLORIDA TODAY column Judging from the brevity of the exchange, which was recorded by CNN on July 28, 2000, you can almost hear George W. Bush's eyeballs clicking against the socket ceilings. Addressing the media horde as the Republican Convention in Philadelphia winds down, this one guy, Charles Huffer, manages to squeeze a response from the Texas governor. What the guv doesn't know is, Huffer's a state regional director for the Mutual UFO Network in Arkansas. Huffer: Half the public believes that (unidentified flying objects) are real. Would you finally tell us what the hell is going on (if elected president)? W.: Sure I will. Huffer (gesturing to running mate Dick Cheney): This man knows. He was secretary of defense. W.: And a good one. A few minutes later, off camera, Huffer catches one more Bush blurb on his audiocassette: It'll be the first thing he (Cheney) will do. He'll get right on it. Yeah, sure, whatever. The only reason for presenting this otherwise inconsequential snippet from the margins is that recently, $120 million gasbag Rush Limbaugh decided that no attack on the Bush clan - not even those related to UFOs - should get a free pass. Limbaugh drew a bead on Daniel Sheehan, chief counsel for the Disclosure Project, a group of former government, military and corporate types who gathered in Washington, D.C., on May 9 to lobby Congress for open hearings on the UFO phenomenon. Sheehan and Disclosure Project director Steven Greer argued that the recovery and exploitation of crashed UFOs has led to the development of technologies that can harness free energy, enough to end petroleum's hammerlock on the world economy. But they also contended the innovations were buried deep inside black budget operations to keep from destabilizing financial institutions. Media coverage of the witness testimony was scant and yawning. Three months after the press conference, letter-writing campaigns haven't generated many blips on political radar screens. Senate heavies like Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) brush off constituents with form-letter replies referring all queries to the long-dead Project Blue Book archives. Lesser-known rubber stamps like Sen. James Imhofe (R-Okla.), who support pouring billions of dollars into National Missile Defense, write that it would be irresponsible to spend taxpayer money on hearings and legislation related to such phenomena. So, obviously, if you're just another brick in the wall, the smart thing to do is let this Disclosure Project thing die a slow, natural death. But then, along comes Limbaugh - you know, the guy with talent on loan from God? With half his brain tied behind his back? On the cutting edge of societal revolution? Limbaugh makes an issue of Sheehan's charge that President-elect Carter's attempts to honor a campaign pledge to declassify UFOs were stymied by then-CIA director George Bush in 1976. So let me get this straight, Limbaugh says. The Bushes are at the heart of the vast right-wing conspiracy to keep the oil companies rich by hiding extraterrestrial solar panels or super-warm sweaters or whatever it is they showed Jimmy Carter. Limbaugh's bottom line: UFOs are just another liberals from Planet X Bush-bashing platform. You may be surprised to hear me say that Mr. Sheehan is half right, Limbaugh says. There is alien life - but we are not hiding it. We see Dick Gephart plain as day! That's a real seam-splitter, dude. Too bad the godfather of Republican conservatism, Barry Goldwater - Mr. Extremism In Defense of Liberty Is No Vice - isn't around to untie the other half of Limbaugh's brain. Goldwater aired his frustrations to no less than Larry King regarding his inability to access top-secret UFO data when he was chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. This thing has gotten so highly classified . . . that it is just impossible to get anything on it, Goldwater wrote to one constituent. To another, he added: I have no idea of who controls the flow of 'need to know,' because frankly, I was told in such an emphatic way that it was none of my business that I've never tried to make it my business since. Glib campaign sound bites to the contrary, the status quo is safely entrenched. Limbaugh attacking UFO declassification as a liberal agenda is like a hippo break-dancing in Spandex. He draws major-league attention to what his fellow ideologues would just as soon leave under a rock, and the guy winds up looking like a dork. Billy Cox's column runs every Wednesday. He can be reached at 242-3774, or Florida Today, P.O. Box 419000, Melbourne, FL 32941-9000. _ EcoNews Service: Always online for Ecology, Consciousness, and Universal Exopolitics EcoNews: http://www.ecologynews.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vancouver, BC V6M1V8 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing
[CTRL] Australia Irangate
http://www.thewest.com.au/20010808/news/state/tw-news-state-home-sto19238.html Cash for guns - Beazley denies spy's claims By Anne Burns A SECRET agent's claims that Labor got an $8.5 million pay-off for the Hawke government's role in illegal arms dealing with Iran is set to be probed by a parliamentary inquiry. The claims are a potential time bomb for Labor leader Kim Beazley in the lead-up to the Federal election. Australian Democrats Senator Andrew Murray, a member of the joint standing committee inquiry into electoral funding, said the committee had to look into the allegation. The committee is chaired by Liberal Senator Chris Pyne and dominated by Liberals and Australian Democrats. If it agrees to a probe, allegations which implicate former prime minister Bob Hawke, failed tycoons Alan Bond and Yosse Goldberg and WA Labor's 1980s fundraising record will come under the spotlight. Senator Murray has called for political donations from foreigners to be banned because they cannot be monitored. Mr Beazley was the Hawke government defence minister when US-backed arms for Iran were allegedly shipped through Fremantle and stored at WA defence facilities. Brisbane-based investigative journalist Marshall Wilson's submission to the committee, which was tabled in Federal Parliament yesterday, said the allegation that the Labor Party accepted a big donation, either in return for or in appreciation of participation by the Australian government in illegal arms trading, had never been thoroughly investigated. The claims were made by ex-Israeli Mossad agent Ari Ben-Menashe, whose application for political asylum in Australia was rejected by the Labor government in 1992. Mr Ben-Menashe, an Israeli military intelligence agent for 10 years until 1989, gave evidence about illegal arms dealing with Iran and Iraq to the US Congressional inquiry into the Iran-Contra affair. He has alleged that the WA Labor Party's discredited fundraising arm, the Curtin Foundation, got $8.5 million from a CIA-linked company in 1987 as a reward for Labor government complicity in Iran arms shipments. He claims Mr Hawke was aware of the arms shipments and the payment - a claim Mr Hawke denies - but then treasurer Paul Keating did not know. Mr Ben-Menashe says he is not aware if Mr Beazley knew. Mr Wilson said the allegations should be investigated by a royal commission if the committee did not take up the case. He said Prime Minister John Howard knew of the allegations because he had interviewed Mr Ben-Menashe when in opposition. Mr Howard was told that arms had been shipped through Fremantle for four months in 1987, including 4000 American missiles and Vietnamese and North Korean artillery. Senator Chris Evans, WA ALP secretary at the time, and former premier Brian Burke dismissed the claims yesterday. A spokesman for Mr Beazley said the allegations were as bizarre as they were untrue: "It's the sort of thing Jeffrey Archer might make up - and he's in jail." Mr Bond has described the allegation that he was the link man in a CIA pay-off to the John Curtin Foundation as absolute rubbish.
[CTRL] USS Liberty- The Cover-Up
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,533783,00.html The cover-up At the height of the six-day war in 1967, Israel attacked a US spy ship, killing 34 men and injuring many more. The Israelis claimed it was an accident, the Americans backed them up. But, as James Bamford reveals in his new book, both governments concealed the horrific truth Wednesday August 8, 2001 The Guardian Early in the morning of Thursday June 8 1967 and the first rays of sun spilled softly over the Sinai's blond waves of sand. A little more than a dozen miles north, in the choppy eastern Mediterranean, the USS Liberty headed eastward. But the calmness was like quicksand - deceptive, inviting and friendly - until it was too late. As the Liberty passed the desert town of El Arish, it was being closely watched. About 4,000ft above was an Israeli reconnaissance aircraft. At 6.05am, the observer on the plane reported back to Israeli naval headquarters: "What we could see were the letters written on that ship and we gave these letters to ground control," he said. The letters were "GTR-5" - the Liberty's identification. "GTR" stood for "General Technical Research" - a cover designation for the National Security Agency (NSA)'s fleet of spy ships. The Liberty was in dangerous waters at a dangerous time. The six-day war, in which Israeli air and ground forces launched a massive attack on Egypt, Syria and Jordan, was raging. Fearing involvement in a Middle East war, the US joint chiefs of staff needed rapid intelligence on the ground situation in Egypt. Ships were considered the best option for the job. They could sail relatively close and pick up the most important signals. Also, unlike aircraft, they could remain on station for weeks at a time, eavesdropping, locating transmitters, and analysing the intelligence. And so the Liberty, which was large, fast and had been stationed relatively close on the Ivory Coast, had been ordered in. Throughout the morning, the ship sailed on, with reconnaissance repeated at approximately 30-minute intervals. At one point, an Israeli air force Noratlas Nord 2501 circled the ship and headed back towards the Sinai. "It had a big Star of David on it and it was flying just a little bit above our mast," recalled crew member Larry Weaver. "I was actually able to wave to the co-pilot. He waved back and actually smiled at me - I could see him that well. There's no question about it. They had seen the ship's markings and the American flag. They could damn near see my rank. The underway flag was definitely flying, especially when you're that close to a war zone." By 9.50am, the minaret at El Arish could be seen with the naked eye like a solitary mast in a sea of sand. Although no one on the ship knew it at the time, the Liberty had suddenly trespassed into a private horror. At that very moment, near the minaret, Israeli forces were engaged in a criminal slaughter. Three days after Israel had launched the six- day war, Egyptian prisoners in the Sinai had become a nuisance. There was no place to house them, not enough Israelis to watch them, and few vehicles to transport them to prison camps. But there was another way to deal with them. As the Liberty sat within eyeshot of El Arish, eavesdropping on surrounding communications, Israeli soldiers turned the town into a slaughterhouse, systematically butchering their prisoners. An eyewitness recounted how in the shadow of the El Arish mosque, they lined up about 60 unarmed Egyptian prisoners, hands tied behind their backs, and then opened fire with machine guns until the pale desert sand turned red. This and other war crimes were just some of the secrets Israel had sought to conceal since the start of the conflict. An essential element in the Israeli battle plan seemed to have been to hide much of the war behind a carefully constructed curtain of lies: lies about the Egyptian threat, lies about who started the war, lies to the US president, lies to the UN Security Council, lies to the press, lies to the public. Thus, as the American naval historian Dr Richard K Smith noted, "any instrument which sought to penetrate this smoke screen so carefully thrown around the normal 'fog of war' would have to be frustrated". Into this sea of deception and slaughter sailed the USS Liberty, an enormous spy factory loaded with the latest eavesdropping gear. About noon, as the Liberty was again in sight of El Arish, and while the massacres were taking place, an army commander there reported that a ship was shelling them from the sea. But that was impossible. The only ship in the vicinity was the Liberty, and she was eavesdropping, not shooting. As any observer would have recognised, the ship was a tired old second world war vessel crawling with antennae, and unthreatening to anyone - unless it was their secrets, not their lives, they wanted to protect. By then the Israeli navy and air force had conducted more than six hours of close surveillance of the Liberty off
[CTRL] DN:Report: Lee not targeted by FBI because of race
-Caveat Lector- http://www.dallasnews.com/national/438638_lee_08nat.ART.html Report: Lee not targeted by FBI because of race 08/08/2001 Washington Post WASHINGTON - Federal investigators did not target former Los Alamos nuclear scientist Wen Ho Lee based on his ethnicity, according to a classified report that is otherwise highly critical of the conduct of the FBI and Energy Department during the investigation. A version of the internal report by federal prosecutor Randy Bellows is scheduled to be released publicly next week. It says that while the government's espionage investigation of Dr. Lee, a native of Taiwan, had many shortcomings, racism was not one of them, said several people who have reviewed its findings. The report's findings on racism, which had not previously been revealed, appear to contradict the accounts of at least two former Energy Department officials. They include the former chief of counterintelligence, Robert Vrooman, who has said in sworn statements that Dr. Lee was targeted for investigation of whether he leaked nuclear secrets to China based largely on his race. Dr. Lee, who was jailed on 59 felony counts of mishandling classified information and violating the Atomic Energy Act, pleaded guilty last September to a single felony charge of mishandling classified information after the government's case largely fell apart in court. He had spent nine months in solitary confinement. Dr. Lee, who is a naturalized U.S. citizen, has indicated in press reports and court filings that he believes he was singled out because he is a native of Taiwan. The case prompted condemnations from Asian-American leaders, who accused the government of engaging in racial profiling and stereotyping in the Lee inquiry. But Mr. Bellows' review is certain to figure prominently in a defamation lawsuit by another energy official who contends that he was wrongly accused of racism in the case. Notra Trulock III, a former energy official who has filed a defamation lawsuit against Dr. Lee, said Mr. Bellows' findings on race bolster his suit, which alleges that Dr. Lee authorized supporters to accuse Mr. Trulock of racism on the scientist's Web site. A federal magistrate hearing the case has demanded portions of Mr. Bellows' report from the Justice Department, which has tentatively scheduled its release for Monday. I feel that I am exonerated, said Mr. Trulock, 53, who left the Energy Department in August 1999. I knew that racial profiling had not been employed and that certainly I'm not a racist. Dr. Lee's lead attorney, Mark Holscher, said he had not seen Mr. Bellows' report and could not comment. The 800-page report stems from an internal probe into the Chinese espionage investigation ordered by former Attorney General Janet Reno in May 1999, shortly after Dr. Lee was fired from the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. Dr. Lee and his wife, Sylvia, have filed a suit against the FBI, Justice Department and Energy Department alleging that Dr. Lee's privacy was violated by government leaks of his name to the press during the investigation. Dr. Lee is also locked in a dispute with federal government censors over whether his forthcoming autobiography violates security rules. Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Dowbenko- The Stealth Genocide Program
http://www.steamshovelpress.com/offlineillumination.html The Stealth Genocide Program By Uri Dowbenko Book Review: Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism and Toxic Warfare By Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz (2001, Tetrahedron Publishing Group, PO Box 2033, Sandpoint, Idaho 83864, www.tetrahedron.org, 525p., Order Line 800-336-9266, $29.95) You can call it "genocide." You can call it "crimes against humanity." Or you can call it "population control." Whatever you want to call it, the target is the same - people. In other words, if you regard humanity as a race of "useless eaters" (that's Power Elite-Ruling Class jargon), you would employ your extensive resources for population reduction. In fact, believing in Malthusian and Darwinian ideology would require you to cull the masses - and not just by the usual means of wars and "low-level conflicts." A strategic propaganda campaign through Government-Media would be enacted to promote "public health" practices, which are actually hazardous to the well-being of the population. This genocide by stealth -- using "public health" to promote slow death -- is the subject of Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism and Toxic Warfare by Dr. Leonard Horowitz. A health science investigator and author of many ground-breaking books, Dr. Horowitz was one of the first to discover and publicize the "smoking gun" documents, which showed that US Government defense contractors like Litton Bionetics were responsible for the production of the AIDS virus, a man-made disease used for bio-warfare and "population control." "Acceptance is not easy in this regard," writes Horowitz in the book's preface. "Coming to terms with such facts leads by necessity, through Elizabeth Kubler Ross's 'death and dying' process. In her model, denial is always the first step in integrating a horrifying painful reality. It is not pleasant to consider the possibility that many of our public servants cannot be trusted, but even worse, that friends and family members may have been injured by such biochemical attacks." The biochemical attacks to which he refers include a panoply of population reduction techniques - Man-made bio-warfare agents like AIDS and Gulf War Syndrome. Toxic pharmaceuticals made by multi-national chemical companies with ties to the genocidal Rockefeller-I.G. Farben Syndicate. So-called "chemtrails," which rain death and sickness from the skies on an unsuspecting populace. "Mandatory" vaccinations for polio, hepatitis B et al Air-borne pesticides like Malathion and Anvil, used by public health officials to supposedly control diseases like the West Nile Virus. Dr. Horowitz writes that "the alleged outbreak of a type of arbovirus… provided an excuse to spray 'mosquitoes' as well as millions of predominantly Jewish, Black and Hispanic residents in the tri-state metropolitan region" during the so-called "outbreak" of West Nile Virus in New York City. The decidedly racist subtext of this genocide by stealth is one of the predominant themes of the book. The expendables, those whom the deranged Malthusians have decided are to be eliminated, are targeted again and again in illegal government "experiments" or "public health programs." Using humans as guinea pigs has certainly not ended, and because of its promotion through government agencies like CDC, it has become defacto state-sanctioned genocide. "By 1930, John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil company had 'married' the I.G. Farben chemical pharmaceutical cartel," writes Dr. Horowitz in the book. "Farben's directors - the cream of the SS and Third Reich -decided that Jewish people would best serve as slave labor in their corporate 'concentration camps.' Hitler's 'racial hygiene' program, historic documents showed, evolved from the 'public health' and 'scientific eugenics' effort of the Rockefeller Family, the British Royal Family and other powerful notables including Prescott Bush - George W. Bush's grandfather. It was Rockefeller money that primarily built the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Eugenics, Anthropology and Human Heredity in pre-Nazi Germany, forerunner to today's Cold Spring Harbor Labs' operation. Then, the Rockefellers installed Ernst Rudin as the Institute's director. He later became Hitler's chief racial hygienist. Margaret Sanger, the grand matriarch of 'family planning' and world 'population control' worked vigorously at that time to herald the necessary elimination of 'dysgenic' people - mainly Blacks and the mentally retarded. " The "population control" movement and its twisted history based in eugenics is also responsible for the multi-billion dollar abortion industry and its promotion as "birth control" - but that's another story… With strong financial ties to the multi-billion dollar scam called "The Cancer Industry," which promotes a phony "War on Cancer" as well as useless albeit
[CTRL] BBC: Japanese World War II officer says germ tests carried out on live Chinese
-Caveat Lector- http://newsreal.yellowbrix.com/pages/newsreal/Story.nsp?story_id=22742299I D=newsrealscategory=Internet Japanese World War II officer says germ tests carried out on live Chinese Source: BBC Monitoring Asia Pacific - Political Publication date: 2001-08-08 Text of report in English by official Chinese news agency Xinhua (New China News Agency) Beijing, 8 August: A former Japanese officer has admitted that he and his unit dissected live Chinese people and produced deadly bacteria to harm enemies during the World War II. Yoshio Shinozuka, 78, admitted that he raised fleas intended to spread deadly diseases and participated in the production of bacteria such as cholera, typhoid, dysentery and anthrax as well as dissecting dying Chinese people, whom they called logs. Wednesday's [8 August] China Daily reported. He took part in five live human anatomies within two months during the war. The veteran said Tuesday that he is anguished over the cruelty his division, Unit 731, perpetrated on Chinese victims in Pingfang, a city in northeast China's Heilongjiang Province during the period. It is our responsibility to make this hidden history known to the whole world, Shinozuka said, according to the newspaper. Shinozuka is now a standing member of the Association of Japanese Veteran Returnees From China, which was founded by veterans in 1957. It has 270 members at present, whose average age is over 80. The veteran regrets that the Japanese government now still wants to cover up the brutality, and he strongly opposes Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's plan to visit the Yasukuni Shrine next week, according to the China Daily. Publication date: 2001-08-08 © 2001, YellowBrix, Inc. Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Florida Votescam Update
http://www.gopbi.com/news/special/harris_recount.html Files: Harris' office set for Bush win before recount By S.V. Dáte, Jim Ash and Mary Ellen Klas Palm Beach Post Staff Writers TALLAHASSEE -- Hours before Palm Beach County's final presidential election recount totals were due last November, staffers for Secretary of State Katherine Harris and GOP political operatives were preparing speech drafts calling them "unlawful" and declaring George W. Bush the winner in Florida, according to documents from her computers recovered by The Palm Beach Post. When she later appeared on national television on Nov. 26, Harris disregarded Palm Beach County's manual recount because it was completed two hours after a 5 p.m. deadline when she certified Bush the winner. But according to drafts of that document made legible by a data recovery company from Harris' office computers, Harris' advisers -- which at that point included two top Republican campaign operatives with access to her computers -- had drafted a document by 1:30 p.m. that named Bush the winner. While the majority of the tens of thousands of files released Tuesday contained drafts of speeches, news releases, some e-mail messages, phone lists and other office material, some showed that state computers in Harris' Capitol suite were used for political work on behalf of then-candidate Bush. "After seven years of Democrat rule in the White House -- we need to send the loudest possible message that we are READY TO LEAD!" read one speech prepared in January 2000 on the office computer of then-communications Director Donald Tighe. Tighe, who now works for a Washington nonprofit group, Tuesday acknowledged doing political work in Harris' office, but said the time spent on politics was dwarfed by the time he spent doing state business. "There was never a week when I was on staff when there wasn't 50 to 60 hours put into nonpolitical work," he said. Harris spokesman David Host said initially that the speeches and "talking" points on behalf of George W. Bush had not been written in Harris' office, but, rather, that they had merely been sent to her office. After learning that Tighe had conceded that the material had, in fact, been written in Harris' office, Host said Tighe had made a mistake. "That's something that would have been wrong for him to have done," Host said. Harris released a statement taking credit for "the greatest effort any public office has ever made to honor Florida's proud heritage of government in the sunshine" and saying the restored files "prove that despite the innuendo and misinformation reported in the media, no partisan political activity transpired in my office during the recount period." ' Talking points' Tighe, who earned $71,960 a year until he left the office in April 2000, had on his computer in March "talking points" for Harris from the Bush campaign, calling him a "reformer with results" leading up to Florida's March 14 presidential primary. Also on that same computer was a set of talking points for Harris in which she urged Floridians to vote in the primary. Those two duties were merged in a single document -- a speech delivered to the Republican Party of Florida's Jan. 29 winter meeting in Orlando -- in which she first urged listeners to vote, and then urged them to vote for Bush. "I am a bit biased -- after all -- I co-chair the campaign effort of George W. Bush -- and I have to tell you how great it was to campaign with Jeb in the snows of New Hampshire last weekend, delivering Florida oranges door to door," according to the recovered document. Tighe said Tuesday that Harris devoted only a small percentage of her time to partisan politics while in office, but that was a fact of life in Florida's unique elected Cabinet system where every member must run for statewide office. "That's part of the challenge created by the constitutional structure of the state," he said. State Democratic Party Chairman Bob Poe was not impressed with the explanation. "We knew all along she was only moonlighting as secretary of state and working full time for the George W. Bush campaign," he said. "She ought to reimburse the taxpayers for the time she spent working on the campaign." GOP consultants in her suite The interest in Harris' computers began a month ago, when a New York Times article revealed that she had allowed two top Republican political consultants full access to her office and two conference room computers during the monthlong recount controversy. The Times reported that attempts to view those two computers were unsuccessful. In fact, Harris informed them in writing in March that both computers had been "re-formatted" -- essentially erased. Host repeated this claim to The Post the day after The Times article appeared. The office changed its story in the coming week, however, after The Post and other newspapers ran articles questioning whether
[CTRL] SCIENTIFIC STUDIES CONFIRM CROP CIRCLES ARE MADE BY
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SCIENTIFIC STUDIES CONFIRM CROP CIRCLES ARE MADE BY BALLS OF LIGHT
31/07/2001
DR ELTJO HASELHOFF is one of the few people on planet
Earth to have had a paper published on crop circles in
a peer-reviewed scientific journal ('Physiologa
Plantarum'). His paper asserts that the
long-recognised connection of crop circles to balls of
light may be even stronger than many think. Here, in
layman's terms, Dr Haselhoff outlines the important
findings of his paper.
Over the years, numerous people have claimed that they
have seen how a crop circle was created by one or more
balls of light.
Recent scientific studies have confirmed these
statements: Circumstantial evidence has shown that
crop circles may very well be made by 'balls of light'
indeed! This article explains the essential elements
of these studies in simple terms.
NODE LENGTHENING
The stems of corn-type plants are characterised by
little 'knuckles', at several positions along the
stems (see Figure 1). These nodes act as a kind of
ligament. They allow the plants to bend towards the
light, even after they have grown to their full
length.
In the early 1990s, the American biophysicist William
Levengood discovered that plants inside crop circles
often had much longer nodes than those in the
undisturbed, surrounding crop. This effect is
illustrated in Figure 2.
Although there are known biological effects that can
create node lengthening, these could be easily ruled
out. It was clear that something else had happened.
The effect could be simulated by placing normal,
healthy stems inside a microwave oven. The heat
induced by the microwaves made the liquids inside the
nodes expand, just like the mercury inside a
thermometer. This caused the nodes to increase in
length, while the amount of lengthening increased
proportionally to the amount of microwave energy that
was generated.
This finding led to the conclusion that the node
lengthening effect may be caused by the involvement of
heat, possibly caused by microwave radiation. In fact,
traces of heat have been found innumerable times in
crop circles all over the world, such as dehydrated
plants, burn marks, and molten snow.
BALLS OF LIGHT
The number of 'balls of light' that have been seen by
eyewitnesses has increased considerably over the last
couple of years. Sized somewhere between an egg and a
football, these bright, fluorescent, flying light
objects seem to be somehow related to the crop circle
phenomenon. They often appear in the fields during the
night a crop circle forms, and have been seen (and
filmed!) many times in and around crop circles.
Several persons have even claimed that they witnessed
how these balls of light actually created a crop
circle.
SCIENCE RESPONDS
In the year 1999, William Levengood and Nancy Talbott
published a scientific paper [1] that contained a
study to the node lengthening effect in three
different crop circles, two in England and one in the
USA. The authors presented a 'quantitative analysis';
in other words, the article tried to explain the
AMOUNT of node lengthening throughout the crop circle,
by means of physical models. The authors concluded
that the heat (that had made the nodes swell) was
electromagnetic in origin.
One year later, I contributed a paper reacting to the
one by Levengood and Talbott. This article appeared
early 2001 [2]. The paper reinterpreted the data
published by Levengood and Talbott and showed that the
node lengthening as measured in all three crop circles
could be perfectly explained by assuming that a 'ball
of light' had caused the node swelling effect. An
identical analysis performed on a famous man-made
formation (Dreischor, Holland, 1997) did not show
these characteristics at all.
My statements can be interpreted as follows: Imagine a
dark room with one single light bulb hanging on the
ceiling. If you switch on the light, you will notice
that right below the light bulb the light intensity on
the floor will be brightest. Towards the edges of the
room, the floor will gradually become darker. This
light distribution on the floor is well understood,
and can be described with high accuracy.
The exact light distribution on the floor depends on
the HEIGHT of the light bulb. When the light bulb is
hanging very low, almost touching the floor, the floor
underneath the light bulb will be very bright, but the
intensity will rapidly become less as you move away
from it (see Figure 3, left). When the light is
hanging high on the ceiling, however, the light
intensity underneath the light will be much less and
be more evenly distributed over the floor (see Figure
3, right). Because this mechanism is so well known,
one can actually derive the height of the light bulb
after measuring the light distribution on the floor.
This is what I suggested. As explained above, the
swollen nodes inside the crop circles may
[CTRL] Tampa's Cams Screw the Pooch BIG TIME!!
-Caveat Lector- Here's hoping this guy breaks it off in the city of Tampa's ass!!! Source: http://www.sptimes.com/News/080801/TampaBay/_They_made_me_feel_li.shtml 'They made me feel like a criminal' He was just having lunch in Ybor City when a surveillance camera captured his image. Weeks later, the police show up. [Times photo: Thomas M. Goethe] An image from Ybor City's cameras was reprinted in a national magazine. An Oklahoma woman phoned Tampa police and said the man was wanted. They sought out Rob Milliron. Yes, that's him in the image. But no, he's never been to Oklahoma. And no, he's not wanted. By AMY HERDY © St. Petersburg Times, published August 8, 2001 TAMPA -- Rob Milliron has never married. He has never had kids, never been to Oklahoma. Yet three Tampa police officers went to Milliron's construction job site Monday and asked him whether he was wanted in Oklahoma for child neglect. Milliron It seems that his face wound up on a surveillance camera in Ybor City. News cameras captured that image. A woman in Tulsa saw his picture in U.S. News and World Report and called Tampa police. She said the man in the photo was her ex-husband and was wanted on felony child neglect charges. Turns out they had the wrong man. But the experience has turned Milliron into a vocal critic of the controversial surveillance system. From that picture, I was identified as a wanted person, said Milliron, 32, whose only previous brush with the law involved a marijuana possession charge when he was 19. The surveillance system uses software called Face-It and is linked to 36 cameras throughout the Centro Ybor entertainment complex and along E Seventh Avenue. Images taken from the cameras are compared with a data base that includes wanted felons and sexual offenders. If the image is a match, officers are dispatched to question the person. But in this case it wasn't the system that flagged Milliron, but simply a woman who saw his picture with a news story. The plainclothes detective, accompanied by two uniformed officers, had a copy of the magazine, folded open to the page with Milliron's photo. After producing identification, answering the detective's questions and enduring curious stares and inquiries from his construction co-workers, a mortified Milliron went home. He was absolutely horrified, said Cheryl Toole, 32, Milliron's girlfriend of nine years. He said, I was surrounded by the police today,' Toole recalled. We were worried they'd come to our home in the middle of the night. Equally upsetting, Milliron said, was the fact that beneath his photo in the magazine, a headline read, You Can't Hide Those Lying Eyes in Tampa. It made me out to be a criminal, he said. Tampa police Detective Bill Todd, who took the call from the Tulsa woman and interviewed Milliron, said Milliron did not seem upset. He was laughing about it, said Todd, who spearheaded the software project that captured Milliron's image. Milliron's photograph was captured in June while he was on a lunch break in Ybor City. He didn't know it at the time, but the Police Department used his photo to demonstrate the system to local news media. The software costs $30,000, but is on loan for a year by its owner, Visionics Corp. of New Jersey, while the department decides whether to purchase it. Milliron's photo ran in the St. Petersburg Times June 30. A caption under the photo read, The man in this image was not identified as wanted. The Times later sold the photo to U.S. News and World Report. The software system has sparked controversy nationwide. Protesters say the spy cameras intrude on citizens' privacy. Mayor Dick Greco, however, has said the system is no more intrusive than the cameras found in banks and shopping malls. Milliron, who says he plans to retain an attorney, hopes the software system will be removed. I don't think it's right, he said. They made me feel like a criminal. - Times researcher John Martin contributed to this report. Amy Herdy can be reached at (813) 226-3386 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Edward + The desire to rule is the mother of heresies. ~ St. John Chrysostom http://www.global-connector.com ~~ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us
[CTRL] NM: Lawyer: Secret Evidence Will Tie Condit to Chandra's Disappearance
-Caveat Lector- With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff For the story behind the story... Tuesday, Aug. 7, 2001 11:42 p.m. EDT Lawyer: Secret Evidence Will Tie Condit to Chandra's Disappearance A lawyer for flight attendant Anne Marie Smith, who blew the lid off the Chandra Levy case in July when she alleged that California congressman Gary Condit tried to silence her regarding their relationship, said Tuesday night that still secret evidence will tie Condit to Levy's disappearance. Smith's attorney Jim Robinson hinted at the bombshell insider information when pressed on his previous comments by Fox News Channel's Hannity Colmes. HANNITY: You said the last time you were on the program that if the American people knew all that you knew about Gary Condit, they'd be shocked and outraged. ... Will you be coming forward with more information? Will Anne Marie Smith be coming forward with any more? ROBINSON: It depends on the way things break. HANNITY: Based on this knowledge, I've got to ask you a very serious question. I can tell as you're speaking that you have a lot of a passion about this. And I know you're defending your client, who I found to be very credible in her interview with Rita Cosby. Do you think he's involved, based on this information that you're not sharing with the public, in the disappearance of Chandra Levy? ROBINSON: Yes. HANNITY: You do. ROBINSON: Absolutely. Casting further suspicion on the California congressman was CNBC's Geraldo Rivera, who quoted a source close to Levy's parents Tuesday night who said they now believe Condit was involved in a plot to have the 24-year-old missing intern killed. The fact of the matter is that the family has a bundle of information, Rivera told his audience. They have the conversations - they're the ones who spoke directly to Condit on the phone. They're the ones who spoke to Chandra as the relationship was evolving. They, along with the aunt, Linda Zamsky, are the ones to whom she confided more or less what was going on. And they come to this conclusion. That he killed her. [Or] he was part of a conspiracy that killed her. Or unintentionally, he said, 'You know something, that b---h is gonna screw my whole career. Oh my God, I wish this thing never happened.' And then someone listening to that, some Condit crazy, goes out and does the dirty deed. Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel j2
-Caveat Lector- Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- I'm serious too. I don't know what you consider ARAB. Prudy Don't play this. Your too smart. Just open a dictionary or encyclopedia. The question still stands. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel
-Caveat Lector- Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/07/2001 6:30:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, that's pretty good. But you did leave out one or two key points. Firstly, the house does not belong to you. The house belongs to an absentee landlord in Turkey. After he lost the house in a poker game with the town officials, THEY decided to split the house in two. It was a big house. THEN Prudy, your story starts. After feeling guilty about the fires they helped start and not put out, THEN they declared that half of the half of the house will be made available to the burned out family. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the burned out family took just half the house. Prudy Yes it would. From the Jordan to Mediteranian, and the Palestinian half from the Jordan to Arabia. As was the original partition before Trans- Jordan annexed the West Bank and then lost it to Israel. Leaving a hostile enemy in the Jew's half of the house. But I'm glad you agree that Israel should take full posession of their half. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Godfather
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/6/01 7:25:41 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When the weather's hot and sticky, That's no time for David Icke. Thank you, thank you ver' much. That doesn't rhyme though...it's pronounced IKE as in I like Ike. Bill. You say tomato. I say tomato. You say potato I say potato. Lets call the whole thing off. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] David Icke: Right? Left?? Or Just Correct???
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: http://www.davidicke.com/icke/index1c.html THE LEFT SAY DAVID ICKE IS FAR RIGHT NOW THE FAR RIGHT SAY HE IS A LEFTY LIBERAL MANIAC WHAT A HOOT! By David Icke I have been forwarded the following e-mail which appears to be circulating to supporters of the British National Party, a political grouping of the Far Right which I personally find appalling and a pawn in a game these guys simply do not understand. They are being played like a violin while believing they are involved in some kind of British nationalistic revolution and the anger and fury which drives them continues to blind them to this fact. However, I found it so typical that while those claiming to be of the Left try to brand me Far Right, here are the Far Right claiming I am a New Age Lefty and a liberal maniac. Right on Dave !!! How can you be in two places at once when your really not anywhere at all? You've got to laugh really. Really. I do. J2 These are the very people the Left say support me!!! Richard Warman of the Canadian Green Party and puppets like Bernie Farber of the Canadian Jewish Congress have urged venues to ban my events because of my association with these people - the very people who here dub me a Lefty and a Liberal maniac. Unbelievable. What both sides have missed is that I am neither one nor the other because I reject the ludicrous, juvenile, Left-Right prision of the mind, which the Illuminati have manipulated to create polarisation, division, and conflict. I also reject such labels because at their extremes those of the Left and Right are the very same mentality and attitudes with a different name on the lapel badge. They are mirrors of each other, both using the same methods and justifying the same suppression of free speech for those who have a different view. Hitler and Stalin, for example, were said to have been opposites when they used precisely the same methods to impose their will on the people. They just gave their viscious dictatorships a different name, that's all, and the same continues today. Anyway, here's the e-mail: David Final Proof that John Bull is now bound and gagged... Date: 04/08/01 05:31:40 GMT Daylight Time From: (Patriot Fourteen) To: bnp Friday, August 3, 2001 Greetings Patriot 14 List Recipients, If there was any remaining doubt in your minds that freedom of speech has now been officially abolished in Great Britain, then read the following article, which appeared on July 29, 2001 on the English news web site below. The author, David Icke, is normally kind of a wacko, who is known to make his own ritual attacks on racists, Fascists, and reptiles. (Everyone Icke does not like he usually calls a Fascist, whether it be George Bush, Tony Blair, the Bilderbergers, Henry Kissinger, N.A.T.O., or the Queen...no kidding, folks). Still, it is noteworthy that even New Age Lefty, ex-Green Party Deputy David Icke has finally found the wit to draw the line somewheredenouncing the anti-racism virus now sweeping Britain. Thus, belatedly, it now seems that even some Green-type goofballs dislike the imported Maoist Cultural Revolution now raging in Albion. If the Puritans were alive today, one can imagine they would again flee and come here. Perhaps there is still hope. After all, if liberal maniacs like Icke can start to wake up, why not John Bull too? One must nevertheless ask, Where will all this madness end? (Perhaps Combat 18 has some views on the matter.) Regards, Patriot 14 Attached to the email: BIG BROTHER POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE UTTERLY INSANE AS BAKER IS ORDERED TO REMOVE RACIST SIGN By David Icke A UK baker has been ordered by police to remove a window poster which claims his bread sticks are better than that French rubbish. Police took the action after a complaint that it is racially offensive!! On that basis the football chants by the crowds at England v France games, or indeed between any countries, are against the law. Where will this lunacy end?? Barke's Craft Bakery in Wickford, Essex, has been displaying the sign for two years for the amusement of customers and have received not a single complaint. Then three officers arrived at the shop to order its removal on racial grounds, said 25-year-old Darell Barke. On the A3 hand-written sign the word French has been replaced with English Sticks, with the words: None of that French rubbish here. Mr Barke said: It all started two years ago when we went on a day trip to Calais and bought some bread back and it wasn't that good. Our bread was a lot better so we changed the sign. It was all tongue-in-cheek and we never had any complaints until Wednesday. You don't see it half the time as the queue covers it up. Mr Barke added: The officers came in and were really nice about it and were embarrassed and said they did not want to be here, but said they were duty-bound to follow up the
Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel
-Caveat Lector- thew wrote: -Caveat Lector- dual citizenship is common in many many countries -- -- -- -- -- Planet spins - so do I neo-sufi wisdom NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:45:46 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Something Rotten In The State Of Israel -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/06/2001 6:20:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Israelis are citizens of the nation state of Israel - Jews are followers of the Jewish religion. Practitioners of the Jewish religion can be found in almost every country of the world and are citizens of most countries of the world.) flw This should be so true. Perhaps once it was, for just a little time. I was truly startled when Israel became a place where non-Jews became welcome only as tourists. And it is true that practitioners of the Jewish faith are found in almost every country of the world and are citizens of those countries. Even more startling to me was the change in my country's laws that allowed American Jews to have dual citizenship and vote in Israeli elections. I had never thought of patria as a plural word. I do not know if all those Jews who live in countries other than the United States have dual citizenship, but I certainly hope not. Prudy What's wrong with dual citizenship? I believe that every European country allows dual citizenship as well as many others. I know quite a few Brits who are dual citizens. I worry about their loyalty to the good ol' USA. You know we had a war against them. AND, we got into both world wars to save them. I don't know. I just don't trust THOSE people. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Vatican Offiial Accuse Jews Of Slander : Say Groups Like the ADL Are Eng...
-Caveat Lector- At 06:39 PM 8/8/01 -0400, William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - - - snip - - - Libertarian Socialist News Post Office Box 12244 Silver Spring, MD 20908 Hello? What? Libertarian Socialist? What on earth is a Libertarian Socialist? I've always thought that a Libertarian was the diametric opposite of a Socialist. Would someone please straighten these people out. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Rush Limbaugh takes aim at UFO politics
-Caveat Lector- At 06:41 PM 8/8/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- === Aug. 8, 2001 Rush takes aim at UFO politics By Billy Cox A FLORIDA TODAY column I'm all for declassifying and disclosing the government's UFO information. And I believe that there is a lot to disclose. Notwithstanding that, I think that Billy Cox's attack on Rush is off the mark. The issue, in my mind, is not Rush, or UFO data, it is Steven Greer, and specifically his agenda. Greer's Disclosure Project looks to me like a new initiative on the part of the left to make UFO's into a leftist cause. Greer claims that HE KNOWS that the space aliens are visiting us because they are opposed to militarizing space. That is to say, the space aliens are against Reagan and Bush's space based Strategic Defense Initiative. Greer also claims that HE KNOWS that the authorities have space alien technology from crashed UFO's that will solve the energy crisis an put Big Oil out of business. All of this sounds like calculated political posturing to gain some political traction among a large (greater than fifty percent of the population) interest group that is interested in UFO's and plant the idea that UFO's and UFO secrecy are really leftist issues. Steven Greer seems very fishy to me. I don't trust him. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Vatican speaks out against Holocaust panel's'slanderouscampaign'
-Caveat Lector- Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- No, J2, they were NOT all Poles and Slavs. But then no one counts except the Jews who were killed, at least not for much to some. And that may be YOUR 'real' question but it does not address what is being done right NOW concerning this DEMAND for records and the CURRENT smear campaign. Are you stating that this is justified as some sort of vengeance? Then why was this undertaken with the EVIL Vatican in the first place? I have read everything that you have stated many times before but not even YOUR stating it makes me 'know' it. Amelia, I can prove everything I stated. But I don't want to deal with this right now because there are more important things happening. I do think there is some truth in what you say happened but as for your wild accusations that Hitler was a Catholic, etc. that is your opinion only and really not possible. He may have been reared a Catholic but that does not mean me was one until his death for there are conditions involved which you choose to ignore. He often bragged about his Catholic upbringing and how much it influenced his greatness. I believe mass killings would be sufficient to get one excommunicated. But he WASN'T excommunicated was he? Ever. How come? That means one is no longer a Catholic, doesn't it? I also do not think Hitler was under the control of the Pope at the time, either. Hitler was never under the control of the Pope. No one said he was. Are you suggesting that he was? Or that the Pope had powers grater than all the Allied forces? The Pope contributed Vatican moneys to Hitler and the Nazi Party. These are the records the Vatican doesn't want anyone to see. Among others. That he could have some how stopped it all but refused because he was 'in on it' and approved? As for your 'revenge' philosophy, remember not all religions are centered around that principle. It is well known that the Vatican was involved in various people escaping Germany after WWII. What is to hide? It is NOT well known. I don't know any Catholics who are aware of it. Is this information the REAL reason for the Jewish participation in this project? To find out any details on what may have been done to any Jews and Jews only? I don't know. But even if that's true, so what? Your comments demonstrate perfectly the one-sided perception of the problem. It was to have been a JOINT effort directed at the crimes committed against BOTH Catholics and Jews and others. Nothing was being 'hidden' and I think, unlike you, that the deaths of Catholics and many others were just as much a crime as the deaths of Jews. Of course it is. No one says differently. Jews are interested in the Jewish part of this history. Gypsies are interested in the Gypsy part of this history. Serbs are interested in the Serbian parts of this history. This doesn't mean that the rest don't count. The Vatican does not have to share anything and I certainly hope that they will not until all life lost in the Holocaust is shown equal respect. It doesn't matter what excuse you make for them not releasing the letters. They'll never do it. They can't. It is the current Pope and not Pius under attack. One Pope is as good as another to blame, eh? ~Amelia~ HEY BABY. THIS POPE WANTS TO MAKE A SAINT OUT OF PIUS XII THE NAZI POPE. Do you think that anyone who suffered at the hands of the Nazis is going to let the Vatican get away with beatifying Pius12? What a stupid thing to do. His actions are still in the living memory of millions of people. There are documentary records all over the place. There are living witnesses who worked in the Vatican at the time and have gone public. This wouldn't be so important if the Vatican was just trying to cover up their crimes. BUT THEY WANT TO MAKE A SAINT OUT OF HIM. This is one of the dumbest moves they ever made. They should have waited for a few more hundred years like they did for Joan of Arc. J2 - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Vatican speaks out against Holocaust panel's 'slanderouscampaign' -Caveat Lector- No they didn't count because they were slavs and Poles. But Germany was at least half Catholic, and Austria was all Catholic. And Hitler was also Catholic. Is the Pope Catholic??? Those demanding so much respect for their own religion might start by showing some for the religion of others. Pius was a Nazi and an admirer of Hitler. He helped finance the party early on. He also helped set up the Ustasha regime in Catholic Croatia where a high ranking Bishop ran the death camps and murdered a million Serbs, tens of thousands of Jews, mand thousands of Gypsies. The ' polite ' question is whether Pius 12 did enough to save the Jews in Christian Europe. The real thing the Vatican is hiding is its complcitiy in the Holocaust,
Re: [CTRL] Feds- Spy Tool Is A Secret
-Caveat Lector- I heard of something like this before, maybe the same thing, it was called an infinity transmitter which would send information out even if the phone was off or no line was being used. On Tue, 07 August 2001, MIKE SPITZER wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: tenebroust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Feds- Spy Tool Is A Secret -Caveat Lector- This sounds like a very interesting case that is well worth keeping an eye on, since a keystroke interceptor would enable the Feds to bypass any type of firewall or encryption and if they can do it willy nilly then no one's data is secure. Scary. I'll say! Any one ever hear about that film chip (about the size and look of a single hit of window pane LCD, circa 1975) that would statically attach to the mouth mic of any phone, and would then allow normal functioning of the phone, while ALWAYS bugging the room/rooms adjacent to the room with the bug? This technology, allegedly developed at Cambridge, was said to be THE ABSOLUTE single most secret device to have ever been classified by an alphabet agency. I mean, just think for a few MINUTES. How'bout paying a janitor to put one on the conference room phone, the one that rings into the secret board room meeting once a year, the one on the gazilianth floor of IBM Towers, Rockefller Center, NYC, upon which the meeting deciding how much of their profits were to go into RD for the next year, and in what new technologies! With just this, one with the funds (albeit few) could cause a major fluctuation on the exchange. Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Welcome to the desert of the real. Morpheus, in The Matrix My God it's full of stars! Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Feds- Spy Tool Is A Secret
-Caveat Lector- That goes without saying, but it is not an excuse to be less than diligent in the rooting out of what we can. Stating that it is so and then doing nothing and saying nothing is not the answer. Sure it goes on that is why we must expose it and tlak about it in forums like this!! On Wed, 08 August 2001, Jeanne S wrote: -Caveat Lector- They are already using it. There is no privacy on the web. They watch anyone they see as a threat. Jeanne - Original Message - From: tenebroust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Feds- Spy Tool Is A Secret -Caveat Lector- This sounds like a very interesting case that is well worth keeping an eye on, since a keystroke interceptor would enable the Feds to bypass any type of firewall or encryption and if they can do it willy nilly then no one's data is secure. Scary. On Tue, 07 August 2001, William Shannon wrote: HTMLFONT FACE=arial,helveticaBODY BGCOLOR=#ffFONT SIZE=2 FAMILY=SANSSERIF FACE=Arial LANG=0A HREF=http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,45851,00.html;http://www.wi red.com/news/politics/0,1283,45851,00.html/A BR BR BR BRFeds: Spy Tool Is a Secret BR/FONTFONT COLOR=#00 SIZE=1 FAMILY=SANSSERIF FACE=Verdana LANG=0By A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]%3Fsubject=Feds:%20Spy%20Tool%20Is%20a%20Secret Declan McCullagh/A /FONTFONT COLOR=#00 SIZE=3 FAMILY=SANSSERIF FACE=Verdana LANG=0 BR BR/FONTFONT COLOR=#00 SIZE=2 FAMILY=SANSSERIF FACE=Arial LANG=02:00 a.m. Aug. 7, 2001 PDT BR/FONTFONT COLOR=#00 SIZE=3 FAMILY=SANSSERIF FACE=Verdana LANG=0IMG SRC=http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/static.wired.com/news/ima ges/spacer.gif WIDTH=89 HEIGHT=21 BORDER=0/FONTFONT COLOR=#00 SIZE=2 FAMILY=SANSSERIF FACE=Verdana LANG=0 BR/FONTFONT COLOR=#00 SIZE=2 FAMILY=SANSSERIF FACE=Arial LANG=0The U.S. government has invoked national security to argue that details of a BRnew electronic surveillance technique must remain secret. BRJustice Department attorneys told a federal judge overseeing the prosecution BRof an alleged mobster that public disclosure of a classified keystroke logger BRwould imperil ongoing investigations of foreign intelligence agents and BRendanger the lives of U.S. agents. BR BRIn court documents A HREF=http://www2.epic.org/crypto/scarfo/gov_supp_brief.pdf;(PDF)/A filed Friday, the Justice Department claims that BRsuch stringent secrecy is necessary to prevent hostile intelligence BRofficers from employing counter-surveillance tactics to thwart law BRenforcement. BR BRU.S. District Judge Nicholas Politan A HREF=http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,45730,00.html;heard arguments/A last Monday in the BRprosecution of Nicodemo S. Scarfo, the alleged mastermind of a loan shark BRoperation in New Jersey. Politan asked both sides to submit additional briefs BRbefore he decided whether or not to order the feds to disclose details about BRtheir keystroke logging device, which captured Scarfo's PGP passphrase. BR BRPolitan has barred attorneys in the case from talking to reporters. BR BRDonald Kerr, the director of the FBI's lab, said in an affidavit filed Friday BRthat there are only a limited number of effective techniques available to BRthe FBI to cope with encrypted data, one of which is the 'key logger BRsystem.' He said that if criminals find out how the logger works, they can BRreadily circumvent it. BR BRThe feds believe so strongly in keeping this information secret that they've BRsaid they may invoke the A HREF=http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/laws/pl096456.htm;Classified Information/A Procedures Act if necessary. BRThe 1980 law says that the government may say that evidence requires BRprotection against unauthorized disclosure for reasons of national BRsecurity. BR BRIf that happens, not only are observers barred from the courtroom, but the BRtrial could move to a classified location. Federal regulations say that if a BRcourtroom is not sufficiently secure, the court shall designate the BRfacilities of another United States Government agency as the location for BRthe trial. BR BRBut the FBI's Kerr said that CIPA's extreme procedures aren't good enough. BRSays Kerr: Even disclosure under the protection of the court ... cannot BRguarantee that the technique will not be compromised To assume otherwise BRmay well lead to the compromise of criminal and national security BRinvestigations, and, in some cases, threaten the lives of FBI or other BRgovernment agency personnel. BR BRScarfo allegedly used PGP to encode his confidential and incriminating BRbusiness data. With a judge's approval, FBI agents repeatedly sneaked into BRScarfo's business to plant a keystroke sniffer -- it could be either
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Vidal casts McVeigh as a hero
-Caveat Lector- McVeigh used perfect grammar? He ended a sentence with a preposition - when we were little anyone who ended a sentence with a preposition was an outcase for 30 minutes in a corner. He ended a sentence with with. Such a crime - in my family it would have been worse than the fertilizer bomb. No wonder I detest stuffed shirts like William Buckley who has mastered the art of the Kings English and should receive Stuff Shirt of Year Award. Now Gore Videl and Buckley got into it one night and it was something to behold for Buckley called Gore a queer son-of-bitch and Gore you could not anger, but he made some remarks about Buckley's kinky sex habits but the next day it was reported this meeting between two literary figures of considerable talent - well it was wasted talent, Actually Gore Videl did not get anything we did not already know; it is, however, going to be interesting when you consider this one reporter saying he was still breathing after he was pronounced dead. Were there two McVeighs? I am inclined to think, there very well could have been, for look at McVeigh's chin which compares to Jay Leno. And Waco - well what happened to McVeigh? I really believe he thought he was on a mission for an intelligence agency - but whose? Sometimes I think it was a hit by John Gotti and remember, Lucky Luciana had a US Destroyer sunk, laying on its side in a New Jersey Harbor, for he wanted out..taught the navy a good lesson in the powers that be. Saba There were federal offices located in the World Trade Center..in the basement on this bulding once was found the body of a dead contractor, and the FBI believe John Gotti got him. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FBI Must Reveal Computer Snooping Technique
-Caveat Lector- One hope the evidence collected will be thrown out since the search was indiscriminate and barred under the constitution, God forbid though it should go to the Supreme Court Lord only knows what they would rule on the subject considering their willy nilly al over the field rulings. On Wed, 08 August 2001, radtimes wrote: -Caveat Lector- FBI Must Reveal Computer Snooping Technique -Judge Updated: Tue, Aug 07, 2001 http://news.excite.com/news/r/010807/18/news-crime-surveillance-dc NEWARK, N.J. (Reuters) - A federal judge on Tuesday ordered the government to reveal the high-tech computer snooping technique used by the FBI to gather evidence against an alleged mobster. In a case that privacy advocates say smacks of Big Brother, U.S. District Judge Nicholas Politan ruled that the government must reveal the details of the computer monitoring system it used to gather evidence against Nicodemo Scarfo Jr., who is charged with running illegal gambling and loan-sharking operations for the Gambino crime family. Scarfo is the son of imprisoned mobster Nicodemo Little Nicky Scarfo. The case is believed to be the first in the nation in which federal agents installed a secret surveillance system in a personal computer system under search warrant, and the first to be tested in U.S. courts. The FBI recorded virtually every keystroke made on Scarfo's computer at his Belleville, New Jersey, business, including passwords, using a key logger device. Whether the system is hardware or software is unknown, prompting a motion by Scarfo's attorneys to reveal its makeup so they could have it analyzed and make a case to suppress the evidence it gathered. Politan ruled that in order to decide the lawfulness of the government surveillance, he must see a full report on how the device works, imposing an Aug. 31 deadline. In this new age of rapidly evolving technology, the court cannot make a determination as to the lawfulness of the government's search ... without knowing specifically how the search was effectuated, he wrote. This requires an understanding of how the key logger device functions. In most, if not all search and seizure cases, the court ... understands the particular method by which the search is executed. ... Because of the advanced technology used the court does not have the benefit of such an understanding. The government argued that revealing the workings of the system might jeopardize national security and endanger FBI personnel and those working with them. Politan gave the government 10 days to provide additional evidence as to why revealing the technology would endanger ongoing investigations and later national security operations. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Welcome to the desert of the real. Morpheus, in The Matrix My God it's full of stars! Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Australia Irangate
-Caveat Lector- Australia has been a key player in the Iran, Iraq (gate) business that has taken place in this country, as well as BCCI, just look at the Nugan Hand bank and tell me people in Australia weren't involved in the whole deal. On Wed, 08 August 2001, William Shannon wrote: HTMLFONT FACE=arial,helveticaBODY BGCOLOR=#ffA HREF=http://www.thewest.com.au/20010808/news/state/tw-news-state-home-sto19238.html;http://www.thewest.com.au/20010808/news/state/tw-news-state-home-sto19238.html BR/A BR BR BR BRCash for guns - Beazley denies spy's claims BR BRBy Anne Burns BR BR BR BRA SECRET agent's claims that Labor got an $8.5 million pay-off for the Hawke BRgovernment's role in illegal arms dealing with Iran is set to be probed by a BRparliamentary inquiry. BR BRThe claims are a potential time bomb for Labor leader Kim Beazley in the BRlead-up to the Federal election. BR BRAustralian Democrats Senator Andrew Murray, a member of the joint standing BRcommittee inquiry into electoral funding, said the committee had to look into BRthe allegation. The committee is chaired by Liberal Senator Chris Pyne and BRdominated by Liberals and Australian Democrats. BR BRIf it agrees to a probe, allegations which implicate former prime minister BRBob Hawke, failed tycoons Alan Bond and Yosse Goldberg and WA Labor's 1980s BRfundraising record will come under the spotlight. BR BRSenator Murray has called for political donations from foreigners to be BRbanned because they cannot be monitored. BR BRMr Beazley was the Hawke government defence minister when US-backed arms for BRIran were allegedly shipped through Fremantle and stored at WA defence BRfacilities. BR BRBrisbane-based investigative journalist Marshall Wilson's submission to the BRcommittee, which was tabled in Federal Parliament yesterday, said the BRallegation that the Labor Party accepted a big donation, either in return for BRor in appreciation of participation by the Australian government in illegal BRarms trading, had never been thoroughly investigated. BR BRThe claims were made by ex-Israeli Mossad agent Ari Ben-Menashe, whose BRapplication for political asylum in Australia was rejected by the Labor BRgovernment in 1992. BR BRMr Ben-Menashe, an Israeli military intelligence agent for 10 years until BR1989, gave evidence about illegal arms dealing with Iran and Iraq to the US BRCongressional inquiry into the Iran-Contra affair. BR BRHe has alleged that the WA Labor Party's discredited fundraising arm, the BRCurtin Foundation, got $8.5 million from a CIA-linked company in 1987 as a BRreward for Labor government complicity in Iran arms shipments. BR BRHe claims Mr Hawke was aware of the arms shipments and the payment - a claim BRMr Hawke denies - but then treasurer Paul Keating did not know. Mr BRBen-Menashe says he is not aware if Mr Beazley knew. Mr Wilson said the BRallegations should be investigated by a royal commission if the committee did BRnot take up the case. BR BRHe said Prime Minister John Howard knew of the allegations because he had BRinterviewed Mr Ben-Menashe when in opposition. Mr Howard was told that arms BRhad been shipped through Fremantle for four months in 1987, including 4000 BRAmerican missiles and Vietnamese and North Korean artillery. BR BRSenator Chris Evans, WA ALP secretary at the time, and former premier Brian BRBurke dismissed the claims yesterday. BR BRA spokesman for Mr Beazley said the allegations were as bizarre as they were BRuntrue: It's the sort of thing Jeffrey Archer might make up - and he's in BRjail. Mr Bond has described the allegation that he was the link man in a CIA BRpay-off to the John Curtin Foundation as absolute rubbish. BR BR BR/HTML Welcome to the desert of the real. Morpheus, in The Matrix My God it's full of stars! Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Vatican Offiial Accuse Jews Of Slander : SayGroups Likethe ADL Are Eng...
-Caveat Lector- Damian B. Cooper wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 06:39 PM 8/8/01 -0400, William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - - - snip - - - Libertarian Socialist News Post Office Box 12244 Silver Spring, MD 20908 Hello? What? Libertarian Socialist? What on earth is a Libertarian Socialist? I've always thought that a Libertarian was the diametric opposite of a Socialist. Would someone please straighten these people out. DBC You appear to know about as much of politics as you do the New Testament. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Militarization of the Police Part 2
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! FATS One of the most interesting illustrations of the evolution of local police forces toward paramilitarization is the success of Firearms Training Systems, Inc. (FATS), which, since 1984, has specialized in customized firearms training and psychological conditioning of police forces in the U.S. and foreign military organizations, including the armies of Singapore and Italy, the U.S. Army, Air Force, and Marine Corps, and the BATF, FBI, and LAPD.(25) The militaryâs involvement in domestic law enforcement is subsumed under doctrines entitled Operations Other Than War (OOTW) and Military Operations in Urban Terrain (MOUT), along with divisions known as Military Support to Law Enforcement Agencies (MSLEA) and Military Support to Civil Authorities (MSCA) divisions. In addition, there is much overlap within current U.S. military doctrine and planning for domestic civil disturbance. For example, a 1994 DoD directive states that military resources may be employed in support of civilian law enforcement operations in the 50 States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and the U.S. territories and possessions only in the parameters of the Constitution and laws of the United States and the authority of the President and the Secretary of Defense, including delegations of that authority through this Directive or other means.(26) A recent scholarly journal notes: The military and the police comprise the stateâs primary use-of-force entities, the foundation of its coercive power. A close ideological and operational alliance between these two entities in handling domestic social problems usually is associated with repressive governments. Although such an alliance is not normally associated with countries like the United States, reacting to certain social problems by blurring the distinction between the military and the police may be a key feature of the post-cold war United States. With the threat of communism no longer a national preoccupation, crime has become a more inviting target for state activity, both internationally and in the United States.(27) Nearly half of the hundreds of para-military police units in the U.S. have trained with active duty military experts in special operations,(28) while another 30 percent trained with police officers with special operations experience in the military.(29) A special operations trainer had this to say: Weâve had special forces folks who have come right out of the jungles of Central America. These guys get into the real shit. All branches of military service are involved in providing training to law enforcement.(30) In New York City, ground zero for the quality of life police crackdown, these units target disorderly areas, in other words, poor communities of color involved in a war for survival. Simulated Paramilitary Policing Youâve got him in your sights. Drawing a gun, he turns, you fire. A life and death situation? Not if itâs a simulation system from Firearms Training Systems (FATS) FATS is the leading worldwide producer of interactive simulation systems designed to provide training in the handling and use of small and supporting arms.(31) In 1985 FATS developed its first video simulation system for police and military application. Since that time they have sold more than 2,200 systems in over 30 countries. FATS simulation systems, according to its manufacturer, enable users in law enforcement agencies and the military the ability to train in highly realistic scenarios through the integration of video and digitalized projected imagery and modified, laser emitting firearms that retain the fit, function and feel of the original weapon The FATS simulator evaluates each officer on a series of judgment, accuracy and reaction time exercises Using video or computer images projected onto a screen, the simulatorâs easy to use menu guides the user through a series of training exercises, which include appropriate use of deadly force.(32) The company believes that it has been an integral training tool for federal, state and local enforcement agencies honing their judgment skill in shoot/donât shoot situations. And should these shoot situations generate public controversy, FATS systems used by law enforcement agencies are a viable defense tool against liability lawsuits relating to alleged uses of excessive force. The reason: officers training on FATS systems receive the most realistic training available to law enforcement personnel.(33) The President and CEO of FATS is Peter A. Marino, who was formerly the Director of the Office of Technical Services of the Central Intelligence Agency.(34) Military Counterparts In order to improve the realism and increase the effectiveness of Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) team training, the Naval Air Warfare Center Training Systems Division (NAWCTSD) has developed the Weapons Team
[CTRL] The Militarization of the Police Part 1
-Caveat Lector- http://www.datafilter.com/mc/c_caqMilitarizationOfThePolice.html WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! The Militarization of the Police By Frank Morales Spring-Summer 1999 # 67 In the early morning of February 5, 1999, Amadou Diallo, 22, was killed in a hail of bullets in the vestibule of his apartment in the Bronx. He was shot by four white officers of the New York City Police Departmentâs plainclothes Street Crime Unit, who later claimed they were searching for a suspect in the vicinity, and they feared Diallo had a weapon. He did not. Diallo, who had come to New York from Guinea two years before, was struck by 19 of the 41 shots fired at him and died on the way to the hospital. Within two days of the shooting, a thousand people gathered in front of his apartment house, the first of a stream of protest gatherings. After nearly two months of demonstrations, including the arrest of 1,166 people in nearly daily incidents of civil disobedience in front of police headquarters at One Police Plaza, the officers were all indicted by a Bronx Grand Jury on charges including a count of second degree murder, which alleges that the officers intended to kill Mr. Diallo. If convicted, they could face 25 years to life. Other investigations of the shooting have begun, including a federal Justice Department civil rights inquiry involving the Street Crime Unit. In the aftermath of Diallo killing, the Unit has come under vigorous media scrutiny. Reports have documented the Street Crime Unitâs violations of the rights of innocent, mostly non-white, people, particularly by unjustified searches. While the press covered the protests,(1) most media voices, generally friendly to the administration, have supported the Mayorâs right or wrong defense of the police, stressing the overall drop in crime along with a purported decrease in police shootings. These reports concede merely an over-reaction, and justify the shooting, despite the 41 shots. The implication is that aggressive policing is a price worth paying for a better quality of life. But is it? A number of reports confirm that across America police killings are up. In 1990, 62 people died at the hands of the police, while in the first nine months of 1998 the number had grown to 205, an annual increase of more than 230 percent.(2) Police Killings on the Rise There is little record-keeping of police homicides, like the nameless graves at Potters Field. According to Amnesty International, since 1994, the federal government has been legally required to collect national data on police use of excessive force, but Congress has failed to provide the funding necessary for it to do so Disturbingly, there are no accurate, national data on the number of people fatally shot or injured by police officers.(3) Those who insist that police killings have decreased over the last twenty years rely upon Deadly Force: What We Know, a 1992 publication of the Police Executive Research Foundation, which is not only biased, but sorely out of date. In fact, Amnesty International reports that after a low of 14 police killings in 1987, the number of police shootings in NYC started to rise again from the late 1980s onward, a trend seen also in some other major cities. In 1990, 41 civilians were shot dead by NYC police officers, the highest number since the mid-1970s. There has been no letup since then. Amnesty also noted that a disproportionate number of people shot in apparently non-threatening or questionable circumstances in New York City are racial minorities.(4) Concurrently, since 1980, there has been a 500 percent growth in the activities of police paramilitary SWAT-type units across the country.(5) The Commandos of the NYPD What some laud as aggressive police work, and others call police brutality, has become a major political issue, not only in New York City, where it is threatening to undo Mayor Giulianiâs bid for higher office. What both critics and defenders of the police fail to probe is the background of the Street Crime Unit. Is it a peculiarly New York City phenomenon, or is it typical of urban policing nationwide? The Street Crime Unit has operational, political, and ideological roots that need to be understood if all the pious talk about better police-community relations is to have any meaning. The concepts of aggressive policing and quality of life, and the relationship between them, must be subjected to a more probing analysis than it has received. Members of the NYPDâs Street Crime Unit are known as the commandos of the NYPD.(6) In existence since 1971, the unit has undergone a 300 percent build-up since 1997. Former NYC Police Commissioner William Bratton encouraged the men to become far more aggressive.(7) Currently made up of roughly 400 mostly white officers, this unit, along with the 7,000 strong Narcotics Unit, represent the front line in Mayor Giulianiâs quality of life crackdown onâand
[CTRL] AF News 9 Aug 01
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! 1081. DOD balancing risks, missions by Jim Garamone American Forces Press Service WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- The size of the U.S. military might not change much, but the way it is configured and the missions it addresses will change, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Aug. 6. Force sizing would be one aspect of the Quadrennial Defense Review that will be released in September, he said. The military may not be different in numbers, but in how they are organized. The threat-based strategy of the past is over, he said. For years the United States organized forces to combat the Soviet Union. Now Rumsfeld envisions a force that is threat-based for the near term -- to address risks in Southwest Asia and North Korea, for example -- and a combination of threat-based and capabilities-based in the medium- and long-term. Driving this effort is the current state of the Defense Department, he said. The United States fields the best military in the world, but there are problems. If I can come in here and look under every rock and find a multibillion-dollar problem that has not been tended to, something is wrong, Rumsfeld said. We've got to get it fixed. It didn't get that wrong in one year, and we're not going to get it fixed in one year, but we've got to get it on the right path. We have to begin with the reality that we have had a strategy-resource mismatch for the better part of a decade, he said. When Rumsfeld arrived six months ago, he said, I was told we do not have forces, or the airlift or the various other assets to meet what we currently say is our strategy and force-sizing construct. The construct since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989 has been for the U.S. military to be able to fight and win two near-simultaneous major regional contingencies. Given this picture, Rumsfeld outlined some of the risks. We knew we had an operational risk because of our strategy-resource shortfall, he said. We also see we have a risk to our force from decay and from shrinkage and from age. Infrastructure had not been repaired, aircraft were aging at unacceptable rates, maintenance backlogs were soaring, and the shipbuilding budget had been put on a trajectory so that it was diving down to 230 ships, he said. The situation risks people's lives and safety, and also their morale, he said. They're told they need to fly old airplanes, and they are not going to have the maintenance parts to keep them in the air, and they are told they are going to be working and living in infrastructure that's old and decrepit, Rumsfeld said. The last risk is the future risk. The president says the 21st century is different (from) the 20th century, and we ought to begin thinking about transforming that force at a bit better rate, he said. The military needs information dominance and information interoperability and the means to address the asymmetrical threats potential foes would most probably use. The effects of all these risks on force structure are unclear, he said. In the QDR, civilian and military officials are assessing those risks and looking for balance. We face risks we can't identify by country, Rumsfeld said. That's why we need this capability-based strategy. U.S. military planners can envision the types of threats the United States may face. The military must be arranged to deal with and deter those threats regardless of where they come from, he said. 1078. Thule begins cleanup after flood by Staff Sgt. Gino Mattorano 21st Space Wing Public Affairs THULE AIR BASE, Greenland (AFPN) -- Extensive cleanup operations began here, following flooding Aug. 1 to 3 that disrupted the base water supply and threatened operations here. Heavy rains combined with melting polar ice wiped out roads and bridges and threatened to overwhelm the base's utility services. The significant efforts of our military members and civilian contractors have enabled us to restore all utilities and services to the base, said Col. Craig Whitehead, 12th Space Warning Squadron commander. In addition, we've maintained 100 percent of operational mission capability throughout and we've had no report of injuries or accidents. As a result of the flooding, any fuel lines that might have been affected were drained and the fuel rerouted to prevent the possibility of an environmental incident in the event they were damaged. Rerouting the fuel enabled us to support re-supply missions to Thule as well as other Greenland and Canadian bases that use our airfield, Whitehead said. It's critical to bring in supplies at this time of the year to enable us to maintain operations throughout the winter months. While road and bridge repair have started, some of the work required assistance from outside sources. The 62nd Engineering Battalion, from Fort Hood, Texas, and members of the 21st Civil Engineer Squadron, Peterson Air Force Base, Colo., quickly
[CTRL] God Forsaken in U.S. Senate
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Free Congress Foundation's Notable News Now August 8, 2001 The Free Congress Commentary God Forsaken in U.S. Senate by Paul M. Weyrich Senator Jeff Sessions, Republican of Alabama, discovered that after Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont took over the Chairmanship of the Senate Judiciary Committee from Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, he had dropped the phrase so help me God from the oath taken when swearing in witnesses. Sessions made an issue of this at a meeting of the Judiciary Committee last week and Leahy said he would return the phrase so help me God to oaths, a phrase which was added to the government oath by President George Washington. Leahy dismissed the controversy as a mistake, due to his short tenure as Chairman of the Committee, but Sessions doubts that. At the beginning of this year, before Dick Cheney was sworn in as Vice-President, the Democrats controlled the Senate, and conducted hearings. For example, it was the Democrats who held hearings on the nomination of John Ashcroft to be Attorney General. Sessions went back and examined the records of that brief period, and sure enough, there was no so help me God when the Democrats were in charge. Obviously, the dropping of the phrase was no accident, but quite intentional. This is not a surprise if you are familiar with the results of some survey research that the Democrats had done for them for the 1996 presidential election. That research indicated that there is 19% of the electorate who are either non-believers, atheists, or against the profession of religion in the political process. Those voters, although liberal, were not necessarily wedded to the Democratic Party in 1996. That was because Bill Clinton, the Democratic standard bearer that year, invoked the name of God at least as often as the Republicans. Thereafter, some Democratic campaign staffers crafted a strategy aimed at getting that vote squarely in the Democratic camp. One of the ideas suggested was an attack on all uses of God in the governing process. This group wanted to go after the In God We Trust on the currency, abolish the office of Chaplain for the House and Senate, and get rid of references to God in various public buildings. Most Democratic Party operatives rejected an overt assault on God, fearing that would alienate Middle American voters who had returned to the Democrats under Clinton. Whatever the reality, Clinton was regarded by most of the country as a middle-of-the-road Democrat. But these operatives reasoned that a quiet abolition of references to God could be done without calling attention to the initiative. The Judiciary Committee's move on the oath fits nicely into that strategy. Unfortunately for Leahy and the agnostic faction of the Democratic Party, Senator Sessions blew the whistle. And Leahy, a nominal Catholic, caved without a fight. Perhaps he told those Democratic strategists that he would go along with their idea unless it became an issue in which case, he didn't want to be caught defending the dismissal of God from his Committee. Watch for other indications of this strategy being implemented. Some public buildings are being renovated under contracts that were implemented during the Clinton era. Some religious historians have already charged that overt references to God and Christianity and religion in general are being expunged. Ronald Reagan used to remind us that we shouldn't ever presume that God is on our side on various issues but we should rather worry whether we are on God's side as we go forth in battle. That is something the Democrats might want to keep in mind as they try to implement this highly questionable strategy. Paul M. Weyrich is president of the Free Congress Foundation. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] Vatican speaks out against Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- Well, J2, if the complaint is the beatification of Pius, then they should say so instead of claiming that this Pope is hiding things. Please keep in mind that JPII IS POLISH himself and see the link below about how EVERY Polish Catholic Priest along with 3 million other Poles were sent to Death Camps. See link below for info on Poles sent to death camps. And yes, you do so know one Catholic that knows this. And I know many others. We are talking about millions of people here and there are some Jewish people also implicated in various things, too. It is all very complex. And a Catholic is automatically excommunicated if they do certain things. No one has to tell them and no formal declaration is required unless they protest it. I have never checked specifically but believe mass murder of millions might be listed above something like, say, divorce. I do not, nor do you, know the details of who did what and why and so do not care to speculate on who gave what and did what. I find a Polish Pope highly unlikely to be hiding things to protect the Nazis. Maybe he has access to things that exonerate Pius or explain some of his actions. But I think it is a dreadful thing to accuse a Polish Pope of somehow being implicated in or condoning the Holocaust. But by your own rules of Jews only caring about other Jews, ditto Gypsies, etc. then Catholics should not be helping the Jews at all in any way. That, fortunately, is not how most people feel. I am as outraged about the death of Jewish people and Gypsies as I am about Catholics. So by your standards, if they wanna see the papers, they oughta be nice to the Pope for why should he even care about the Jewish people who died. I think he does, however, did not expect to be attacked. ~Amelia~ Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:22 PM Subject: BURNING QUESTIONS, a documentary about an American woman retracingher Polish Catholic father's s http://hometown.aol.com/polishfilm/burningquestions.html Amelia wrote: -Caveat Lector- No, J2, they were NOT all Poles and Slavs. But then no one counts except the Jews who were killed, at least not for much to some. And that may be YOUR 'real' question but it does not address what is being done right NOW concerning this DEMAND for records and the CURRENT smear campaign. Are you stating that this is justified as some sort of vengeance? Then why was this undertaken with the EVIL Vatican in the first place? I have read everything that you have stated many times before but not even YOUR stating it makes me 'know' it. Amelia, I can prove everything I stated. But I don't want to deal with this right now because there are more important things happening. I do think there is some truth in what you say happened but as for your wild accusations that Hitler was a Catholic, etc. that is your opinion only and really not possible. He may have been reared a Catholic but that does not mean me was one until his death for there are conditions involved which you choose to ignore. He often bragged about his Catholic upbringing and how much it influenced his greatness. I believe mass killings would be sufficient to get one excommunicated. But he WASN'T excommunicated was he? Ever. How come? That means one is no longer a Catholic, doesn't it? I also do not think Hitler was under the control of the Pope at the time, either. Hitler was never under the control of the Pope. No one said he was. Are you suggesting that he was? Or that the Pope had powers grater than all the Allied forces? The Pope contributed Vatican moneys to Hitler and the Nazi Party. These are the records the Vatican doesn't want anyone to see. Among others. That he could have some how stopped it all but refused because he was 'in on it' and approved? As for your 'revenge' philosophy, remember not all religions are centered around that principle. It is well known that the Vatican was involved in various people escaping Germany after WWII. What is to hide? It is NOT well known. I don't know any Catholics who are aware of it. Is this information the REAL reason for the Jewish participation in this project? To find out any details on what may have been done to any Jews and Jews only? I don't know. But even if that's true, so what? Your comments demonstrate perfectly the one-sided perception of the problem. It was to have been a JOINT effort directed at the crimes committed against BOTH Catholics and Jews and others. Nothing was being 'hidden' and I think, unlike you, that the deaths of Catholics and many others were just as much a crime as the deaths of Jews. Of course it is. No one says differently. Jews are interested in the Jewish part of this history. Gypsies are interested in the Gypsy part of this history. Serbs are interested in the Serbian parts of this history. This doesn't mean that the rest don't count. The Vatican does not have to share anything and I certainly hope that they will
[CTRL] NM: Lawyer: Secret Evidence Will Tie Condit to Chandra's Disappearance
-Caveat Lector- I wonder if the watch box was the only thing Condit threw away before being observed. He could have been stuffing things in trash cans all over Virginia. I know AheadNews is a tabloid of sorts but they have an article that it was not just a watch from yet another former girlfriend but one that he passed on as a gift to Chandra. Is there no limit to the depths of lack of class of this man? Well, maybe that is not true but it also said Chandra was seen wearing proudly the men's Tag Hauer watch to work and all around. I guess that would explain why he wanted to get rid of the box. Any wherever she is, maybe he was concerned because it is still on her wrist. So beware of men bearing strange and inappropriate gifts??? That is spooky. ~Amelia~ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] TORTURE BY FIRE -- ZIMBABWEANS AND SOUTH AFRICANS
-Caveat Lector- This is a very grapgic post from RuMills. I have no way of verifying it and I neither endorse nor reject its content. If true, Africa is sinking into deeper and deeper chaos. ~Amelia~ Return to Index | Read Prev Msg | Read Next Msg Rumor Mill News Read Only Forum TORTURE BY FIRE - NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART TORTURE BY FIRE -- ZIMBABWEANS AND SOUTH AFRICANS EXPERIENCE HAUNTINGLY SIMILAR HORRORS UNDER PRESENT REGIMES I am forwarding herewith an email from ZIMBABWEAN FARMER CATHY BUCKLE, (author of book African Tears ) (see: http://www.censorbugbear.com , who writes the following in her weekly update about the situation in Zimbabwe: click below for the Zimbabwe page) http://communities.msn.com/AdrianaStuijtsjournalismduringapartheids ite/zimbabwea\ fricantears.msnw a) She reports contents of a torture report released by the Zimbabwe Human Rights Forum; b) and about the desperate condition in which Zimbabwe now finds itself: as she describes it: The 'war veterans. who are still beating, burning, raping and torturing Zimbabweans have led us to the edge of starvation. Torture by fire: This week's diary, which Cathy Buckle (who with her entire family once had been an ardent supporter of Mugabe's freedom struggle, but now is in hiding in Harare after publishing her book), distributes to friends as well as to the Censorbugbear web publication each week, and is headlined: Burning plastic . Burning plastic is one of the torture practices described by the Zimbabwe Human Rights Forum as being carried out by the Mugabe regime's stooges -- namely to wrap their victims in plastic and torturing them by setting fire to the plastic, or dripping burning plastic on them. Coincidentally, this burning plastic torture just happens to also be one of the most prevalent torture practices most frequently seen among the more than 6,000 attacks against commercial farmers in neighbouring South Africa during the ANC regime's rule. Many of the victims of these South African attacks had also been tortured by fire: by burning them with electric appliance, by a branding iron or with hot ashes, but most especially by wrapping them in plastic bags and setting fire to these. The latest South African victim of such a burning torture had been recorded by the police only last weekend during the attack on the Le Grange farm in South Africa, where one of the three female victims (the other had been a four-year-old girl) had been tortured with a burning iron. In fact the victim, who survived her ordeal, even displayed such torture marks in the news photograph taken with her little four-year-old granddaughter on the http://www.censorbugbear.com/ site. (Click on the front page link to pictures of farm murders) to see the picture, published in Beeld newspaper, of Mrs Le Grange and her grandchild.). Of course the South African office of the UN Human Rights Commission, when confronted with the torture of this little four-year-old farm girl this week in an email from Gerhard Erasmus, a South African living in Bern, Switserland (who can confirm this: tel (41) 1865-4523), replied in their email to him that he should: (a) learn how to spell (b) stop whining and (c) that YOU PEOPLE HAVE HAD IT GOOD FOR TOO LONG. The breathtaking callousness of such a reply, -- especially coming from by email sent by the UN's Human Rights Commission in Pretoria -- really brings home the reality that no Afrikaners can expect any mercy in either South Africa nor Zimbabwe. May I point out that close to 4-million Afrikaners still live in three Southern African countries, namely Zimbabwe, Namibia and South Africa -- and that they as an ethnic minority are clearly greatly endangered by the possibility of an ethnic cleansing campaign. In fact one of their own parliamentary leaders, Dr Pieter Mulder of the Freedom Party, sounded this warning two weeks ago when he handed a petition to the UN's Human Rights Commissioner in Pretoria. The same office which a week later sent that email to Mr. Erasmus, that's right, the one which said that he should stop whining and that concluded with: You people have had it good for too long. The fact that Afrikaners' human rights are being constantly infringed upon throughout the Southern African region, is is fact is being underlined by the unfortunate Zimbabwean farmer Philip Bezuidenhout -- who was accused by the Mugabe regime of murdering a farm invader on his farm, whose entire family was targeted by Mugabe's thugs, and who has protested in the news media that the killed man -- (a 31-year-old accountant with a home in Harare who had nevertheless staked out a claim as a poor landless war veteranon Bezuidenhout's farm Tara) -- had been the victim of a highly unfortunate traffic accident, that he had never intended to run him down, but had simply not seen him because his vision had been blocked by a large fuel truck. Bezuidenhout -- a direct descendant
Re: [CTRL] Feds- Spy Tool Is A Secret
-Caveat Lector- It's all available, check out this sight: http://www.codexdatasystems.com On 8 Aug 2001, at 19:27, tenebroust wrote: -Caveat Lector- I heard of something like this before, maybe the same thing, it was called an infinity transmitter which would send information out even if the phone was off or no line was being used. = Theodor S. Parada, MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID 0x537C4815 A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly, but the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the heart's of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknownest in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic, so that, it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague. Marcus Tullius Cicero 48 BC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
