[CTRL] Fwd: [911truthalliance] Kane Responds to Thorn's Attack on Ruppert
Begin forwarded message: From: Brian Salter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: December 10, 2004 7:59:56 PM PST To: Michael Kane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: 911 Truthalliance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[EMAIL PROTECTED] Riseup. Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [911truthalliance] Kane Responds to Thorn's Attack on Ruppert good work, mike. a belated FYI about thorn's article: he has done some very clever editing of something that i wrote in my blog about his previous hit piece, apparently to try and make me look like a supporter of his. he didn't provide a link to my original page, which might help keep his readers in the dark about the fact that i was actually very critical of thorn and rejected the bulk of his piece. if anyone is interested, here's the link: http://www.questionsquestions.net/blog/041019b.html what thorn left out: "a great deal of this is a waste of time & effort, being a lot of personal commentary and some "sour grapes" issues... As for the other points that I haven't mentioned, I am either undecided or find Ruppert's side to be convincing. While Thorn may have brought up some legitimate points, there sure are some amateurish cheapshots, such as wasting time questioning Ruppert's journalism training or dredging up purely personal gripes. I think Thorn has muddied things up by issuing a flawed and sloppy attack, which has probably made things more difficult for those who want to criticize Ruppert in a more thoughtful and disciplined way." my opinion of thorn is even lower now. what a fool. -brian
Re: [CTRL] [911truthalliance] Re: V. Abernethy
-Caveat Lector- On Oct 27, 2004, at 9:30 PM, Michael Kane wrote: Agreed entirely. This persons endorsement should be purged from the petition. I suggest people just do a quick review of this website http://theoccidentalquarterly.com and decide for yourself. It only took me 5 minutes to make up my mind. HOWEVER, as for David Korten, I am very pleased & excited to see he has signed on. His book, "WHEN CORPORATIONS RULE THE WORLD" was one of the first I read in my political awakening and it is truly a masterpiece. I have not looked into every aspect of Korten's political affiliations - though I do know he was part of USAID, a known CIA front - but I am of the belief that he is of good intent and he is a bonus to the petition sign-on list. He says what he saw working for USAID changed him. i used to think korten was brilliant until i started learning more about the deep politics of globalization -- the "small is beautiful", anti-technology, and localist ideas he tends to touch on are an intrinsic part of the controlled "opposition" to neoliberal globalization and have been carefully promoted behind the scenes since the 60s. korten is an avid rehabilitator of adam smith and promotes the standard crypto-neolib agitprop that "big government" is no different than big corporations. two clues. this is why someone like him would be welcomed into the club of rome. i've been researching this kind of stuff for more than a year, and plan on writing extensively on it soon. certain key parts of korten's work strike me as a more "progressive" translation of the sort of ideas promoted since the late 60s by elite globalist insiders like harland cleveland, richard gardner, zbigniew brzezinski, richard falk, herman daly, etc. however by far the most notable elite mouthpiece for global downsizing, population reduction, and feudalistic localization & tribalism is edward goldsmith, from an old banking family closely allied with the british oligarchy. his late brother james was an important figure in the ultra-right, aristocratic 'pinay circle' which is a secretive spinoff of bilderberg. "peak oil" promoter andrew mckillop is goldsmith's new energy editor for "the ecologist". goldsmith connects to P-2 / BNI, le cercle, michael ledeen, etc... http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/ ReaganContraCommit_TICC.html http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FQP/is_4436_128/ai_55015426 as for the club of rome, it originated as an institutionalization of the policy ideas that came out of the rockefeller's aspen institute and the cybernetics / systems theory movement which was a spinoff of the CIA's MK-ULTRA social engineering program. it's part of a larger "post-industrial society" agenda. Lastly, I would like to state there is a HUGE difference between racist/eugenic theories and looking at the reality of coming resource wars - the likes of which we are already in. Looking for solutions to draining hydrocarbon supplies is not in any way part of a "population reduction movement." It is rather looking at the facts and trying to find a proper response/solution - if one exists. well, looking at the facts is the first part. there is no proof yet of current or imminent "peak oil". it's still a statistical interpretation, with a lot of unknowns. there are multiple factors playing into current price spikes and production issues, which "peak oil" claims might in fact be fig-leafing. the way one chooses to interpret the real motivations and causes of these co-called "resource wars" has *everything* to do with the elite's racist / eugenics agenda, regardless of what one's intentions are. announcing "solutions" before the debates over the real nature of the "problem" are truly resolved makes one culpable of unwittingly empowering the wrong agendas. furthermore, over the past decades there has been a huge and unmistakeable correlation between the sectors of the elite which support eugenics / depopulation, and those which support promotion of neo-malthusianism and "resource scarcity" propaganda. is this to be casually ignored? i'm sick and tired of facing the deep denial that exists about this disturbing and critically important phenomenon. For those who still believe abiotic oil is a savior to the hydrocarbon crisis peak oil advocates declare we are about to face I suggest a thorough reading of Richard Heinberg's brilliant piece i notice that heinberg never addresses a key question which is seems obvious to me up front, which is: regardless of their theories, how have the russians found significant amounts of oil in places like vietnam's white tiger field, where conventional wisdom would simply dictate not to drill? one can come up with arguments after the fact that 'fossil' petroleum has migrated down to lower layers, but that doesn't change the fact that oil is being found in unexpected places and in significant amounts (at least, and importantly, for a "third world" country like vietnam, giving them insurance against the "
[CTRL] URL for my previous post
-Caveat Lector- RE: http://www.911Truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633 www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [911truthalliance] 100 Respected US Leaders & Families Demand 9/11 Investigation ! Respected Lead
-Caveat Lector- On Oct 27, 2004, at 2:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Virginia Deane Abernethy, Ph.D., anthropologist, author, Population Politics i'm delighted to see that the racial eugenics / population reduction movement is getting ever more promotion by the 911 truth movement! abernethy is on the editorial advisory board of The Occidental Quarterly, a pro-racist, pro-eugenics publication. http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/toq-advisoryboard.html tellingly, she was a colleague of the late garret hardin, a member of the club of rome. (fyi, another current club of rome member on this petition is localist econominst & former ford foundation official, david korten, who has taken a lead in the CoR's outreach programs, under the direction of CoR president and notable ally of ahmed chalabi, HRH prince hassan). one of abernethy's main theses vis a vis population is that raising living standards and development in the third world should be rejected as a means to slow population growth, and that full development in the third world should be abandoned in any case based on the claim that the world's resources are already "running out". TOQ's statement of principles includes the following: 2. Race informs culture; it is the necessary precondition for cultural identity and integrity. In 1950 whites represented 30 percent of the world's population. If current trends persist, this number will plummet to 8 percent by 2050. In the United States, whites are projected to become a minority of the national population in less than fifty years. The result will impoverish not only their descendants but the world in general and will jeopardize the civilization and free governments that whites have created. 4. The European identity of the United States and its people should be maintained. Immigration into the United States should be restricted to selected people of European ancestry. 5. The perfectibility, let alone the equality, of man is not possible and is not a legitimate political aspiration. Political efforts to achieve or enforce perfectibility and equality invariably demand an unacceptable degree of coercion and result in unnecessary and unjust pain, suffering, and social disorder. http://theoccidentalquarterly.com/ TOQ supports the draper / pearson / manhattan institute circles of depopulation & racial eugenics promoters who gave us 'mankind quarterly' and 'the bell curve'... (conincidentally (?), a founding member of MQ, charles galton darwin, seems to have become a poster boy for some 'peak oil' pundits...) one certainly couldn't critique this petition for failing to cover the whole political "spectrum"... -brian www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Riley / von Kleist disinfo ops
since posting a critique of the video "911 in plane site", from dave von kleist and joyce riley of 'powerhour', to my site (questionsquestions.net), i've been informed by a few people about a controversy over their role in gulf war vets' issues and gulf war illness. they have been facing accusations of being disinfo agents for some time, and the evidence seems pretty strong. the main person pursuing this is a lawyer named linda kennedy, who actually used to be a personal assistant to riley and von kleist, but then came out with an exposé earlier this year after splitting with them and making some ugly discoveries. it looks like the two have connections to FBI, possibly MI, and an openly admitted connection to the southern poverty law center, which has well known connections to ADL and FBI. they have also been denounced by peter kawaja who accuses them of hijacking and covering up the gulf war illness info that he originally discovered. riley's background is particularly suspect. but this is not an area that i'm well informed on, so if anyone has been following this and knows the background, i'd welcome additional info & opinions. if kennedy's allegations hold up, it would seem to reveal some reasons why riley and von kleist whipped up their bogus 911 video to try and hijack a new issue... -brian a summary from linda kennedy, april 2004: http://hometown.aol.com/wbflegal/jdPK-JRconnection.html these are links to linda kennedy's info & evidence: http://www.wbflegalreform.com/ http://hometown.aol.com/wbflegal/DaveJoycewebsitepage14.html http://hometown.aol.com/wbflegal/JoyceDave2page14.html http://hometown.aol.com/wbflegal/DaveandJoyce3page14.html an interview with linda kennedy http://www.sweetliberty.org/audio/meta/051004.ram peter kawaja info http://www.dswcc.com/HPK/final_post.htm www.agwva.org http://www.copi.com/articles/strmcrim.html this is kennedy's personal account of her months-long stay living and working with the von kleists, for those with a morbid curiosity and some time to kill... http://hometown.aol.com/wbflegal/jdpage1.html http://hometown.aol.com/wbflegal/jdpage2.html http://hometown.aol.com/wbflegal/jdpage3.html quoted from first link above: When Dessert Storm finally started (invasion of Kuwaitby “coalition forces), in 1/91, another silent raid was also occurring. While we were busy watching the war on CNN, Kawajawas being raided by federal agents, by gun point. All the evidence at his home was confiscatedand sealed under the War Powers Act. Fortunately, Kawaja had enough evidence elsewhere to still hold thegovernment accountable for war crimes, if someone would listen (of course the courts would not). Not satisfied that they confiscated all Kawaja’s evidence, the government triedfooling Kawaja into thinking they were going to prosecute Barbouti. They would hold phony grand jury proceedings,with Kawaja as their “star witness,” further trying to get Kawaja’s remain ingevidence. They still could not getit. By about 1994, Kawaja was still seton holding these criminals accountable for their actions against the Americanpeople and our Veterans. He filed alawsuit against the government trying to expose these atrocities, which of course the governmentwanted to get dismissed quickly and quietly (page two). The Department of Defense also started itsown suit in Kawaja’s name to try to stop this evidence from getting to Americans, and attempted to control the “prosecution”to make sure this case was never actually heard. In March of 1995, the government claimed thatthe litigation that Kawaja brought against it was improper claiming that, Kawaja "apparently wants to direct the course of the criminal investigation. Rather, the AUSA and agents should bepermitted to continue their investigation into these important matters, withoutthe constraint of pressure of this litigation. . .” in spite of theiractually being no real ongoing investigation (documented elsewhere). By now, theGulf War Illness was breaking, with many sick and dying Vets suffering, and withthe government denying there was such a thing as a Gulf War Illness. Of course, this is with the U.S. Government being fully aware that they caused the illness to occur through their actionsand foreknowledge. In addition to goingthrough these governmental abuses, Kawaja also suffered through his wife beingkilled, his house being burned down, and the IRS coming after him to make surehe would never have any money to pursue any further action against them. Finally, he had been pursuing the “hardfiles” which were the 400,000-700,000 missing files of sick gulf warveterans. When the Murrah building wentdown, so did the files, which were housed there. Of course, the government could not get ridof that building fast enough, nor could it put McVeigh, the government patsy,to death quickly enough. Case closed. The government also gave Kawaja another very important warning: If Kawaj
[CTRL] New 9/11 video evidence analysis at QQ
-Caveat Lector- New 9/11 video evidence analysis at questionsquestions.net: Analysis of Flight 175 "Pod" and related claims http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/pod.html Webfairy's Reign of Error http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/webfairy.html The WTC "Mystery Explosion" Video Hoax http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/hoax.html Brian Salter, questionsquestions.net www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] fyi, demoulins answers olmholt "ground effect" claims
-Caveat Lector- this is a response from j.p. desmoulins concerning claims from ralph olmholt (http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/exp.htm) that the aerodynamic "ground effect" would prevent a 757 from getting low enough to the ground to strike the pentagon at the impact area. (one thing not mentioned here which also should be factored in is the fact that numerous witness reported specifically that the plane's flaps were not down. note also that the ground under the approach path was not level, but had a rising slope towards the impact area. therefore, the plane was at very low height for only a short distance, not at constant ground-hugging height). btw the olmholt page, which is promoted by jeff strahl, is interesting overall, peppered with *highly credible* claims, such as the claim that firefighters at the scene were deliberately not doing their jobs, and were engaged in arsonry or allowed it to occur under their noses around the scene to add extra damage as part of the coverup!! nothing better for 9/11 truthseekers than to be seen as accusing firefighters and rescue workers, who are seen by the public as heroes of the day, as being in on the conspiracy, based on nothing but hollow speculation. This ground effect is real, and reported by planes which can't land, or have some problems to land, needing more distance on the runway than usually. Two factors increase this effect : - The heat (no such factor at 9 am in Washington DC) - The albedo. Strong effect on dark runways. Private pilots report that they sometimes prefered landing on grass besides the runway than on it to avoid this. Of course speed increases the effect. If you arrive too fast, you can't usually land until your speed has decreased. Not only due to ground effect but to the fact that holding to ground a plane which is over take off speed is a real mess. Usually, with the landing gear down, it ends in a kangaroo jumps like trajectory. Now, all the reports of this effect have been done by pilots who survived. The topography of the place (Rd 27, heliport, pentagon) and witness accounts show that the plane arrived to the ground at ~350 mph (more than two times the take off speed), with a pitch angle of approximately 5 degrees - and not razing the ground as "shown" in the faked pentagon cctv frames - and rolled 15° to 20° to the left. Such conditions, even without a building to hit, would normally destroy the plane and kill everybody on board. So the question which should be asked, wether the ground effect can prevent a plane from touching ground if it arrives at 350 mph with a 5° pitch angle and a 15° roll angle must receive the answer : nobody ever came alive to report of this. Personnally, I would say that it should "round" the trajectory in the last meters, but couldn't prevent the plane from hitting ground. As when you send a flat stone onto water. With a small angle, it bounces, with a greater angle, it just dives into water. Now what is the angle for a B 757 over a grass ground at 9 am in septembre... Perhaps we could ask Ralph Olmholt, a retired B 757 pilot if I'm not confused, to try in the conditions of the Pentagon's crash to see if his plane bounces as a kangaroo instead of touching the ground... Personnally, I would not try. I will post this answer to "frameup" and "the911coverup" lists on yahoogroups. Feel free to forward my answer where the claim quoted below was publicly displayed. Regards Jean-Pierre www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [political-research] A Challenge to the Abiotic Oil Camp
-Caveat Lector- On Sep 3, 2004, at 9:39 AM, Vigilius Haufniensis wrote: VMANN: is there evidence of an oil shortage? 'peak oil' is covering 'neocon' tracks. 'peak oil' advocates claim that US mideast policy is designed around keeping cheap oil flowing. well, why is the US secretly bombing iraq oil pipelines, according to the complaints of industry insiders? and who is in on the mosul-haifa pipeline plan? 'peak oil' (with 'impending severe climate change' playing shortstop) serves as a cover for the geopolitical aim of strangling the growth of eurasian rivals like china and india, and probably helps potentially to discredit russia as well, given that they are at least four years away from the infrastructure needed to increase their oil exports. it's really getting obvious, in my opinion. not to mention the cover story for the depreciating dollar, which ties in too. the usual sources started cranking out anti-saudi 'peak oil' rhetoric earlier this year at about the same time that "get the saudis" rhetoric was again winding up on capitol hill, and this was not long after the saudis started opening up some surprising new independent channels with russia & china... those who think that 'peak oil' claims are an enemy of neocons ought to ponder how it is that the current president of the club of rome is the same guy who once smuggled chalabi out of jordan in the trunk of his limo. cheney energy advisor simmons and other 'peak oil' advocates say we need a new international agency to audit oil producers and set malthusian limits on oil production and consumption. sounds like a replacement for OPEC doesn't it. does that contradict the 'neocon' agenda?and who would provide the reference info for such oil audits? don't know yet, but it turns out that a near monopoly of world petroleum survey and database services is held by western / geco (formed in 1999), which is owned by a holding company run by baron friedrich thyssen-bornemisza, the grand-nephew of the guy who wrote, "i paid hitler". ok. FTW coverage has been promoting the report prepared by global business network for the DoD that was "leaked" earlier this year, which predicts worldwide 'peak oil' energy catastrophe within 20 years in addition to predictions of severe climate shifts in the same timeframe. GBN was founded by veterans of SRI as well as royal dutch shell's "scenario planning" project which goes back to the 70s. turns out that royal dutch shell execs helped lead the bilderberger meeting at saltsjoebaden, sweden in 1973 which planned the fake "oil shock" of 73-74. their "scenario planning" division led by gurdjieff disciple pierre wack is, humorously, credited with being the only think tank which "predicted" this oil shock! http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.11/gbn_pr.html and now, their alumni are "predicting" imminent peak oil and coming climate catastrophes. by the way, the SRI connection is interesting too. SRI was one of five government contractors who developed the original HAARP weather-mod technology. http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/pentagon_gw.html the 73 fake oil shock saved shell's north sea investments. i'd imagine that the 2004 oil shock might wind up helping the new shell-led sakhalin consortium in some way. but i guess it won't end up helping that super-profitable refinery in california that shell has decided to shut down. george schultz installed the neocon "vulcans" into the white house but he's also a good friend of gorbachev, sponsor of the malthusian "state of the world forum" (founded by another schultz colleage, jim garrison) and the "earth charter", which was officially blessed into existence by queen beatrix in june 2000, a few months before saddam decided to sell oil in euros. the "earth charter" supporters have now built a mother earth "ark" which is being paraded around at new age rallies and the like. i don't know what's in this ark, but i'm guessing it's full of royal dutch shell stock certificates. schultz is also of course a member of the schwarzenegger team. how can this be, if he has such nice 'green' connections? california 2001-2 seems to have been the test run for a kind of 'energy catastrophe' scam. create a fake energy shortage, crash the government's budget, drum up a frantic political crisis, and then install your strong man. who knows, perhaps there is a 'plan B' to rotate kerry in, use that 'regime rotation' as a rationale to put 9/11 and other bush admin scandals safely to bed in the public eye, and then pull a gray davis routine on him later when the time comes (i would think, timing this to cover a US economic collapse which has been predicted by some for 2005. 'peak oil' will help provide the cover story). follow another strange path from schwarzenegger as follows: schwarzenegger --> rothschild --> edward "gaia" goldsmith --> "the ecologist" magazine. 'peak oil' promoter andrew mckillop, whose book 'the final energy crisis' is due out this month, works for goldsmith: h
Re: [CTRL] [cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: Webfairy
On Aug 25, 2004, at 4:10 PM, The Webfairy wrote: If the claim is Eric's source file is the commercially available version of the NAUDET DVD, I'm saying NO WAY. NO WAY IN HELL> I haven't found any description of his techniques, or his source. The footage is filtered, beautifully, wonderfully filtered. I'm not saying Eric did it. I sincerely doubt he would be capable of such a sensitive loving touch. eric digitized this video directly from the naudet DVD: Here is a better quality version of the first impact I created from the Naudet brother's DVD "911". Bear in mind that even DVDs are compressed with the mpeg 2 codec. Additionally, to make it a reasonable file size for the web, this movie has been compressed with the Sorenson 3 codec at full quality from the file I used to do the analysis. Still, the artifacts have been minimized and it looks close enough to the original for casual observation. Note: this has a high data rate and may not play smoothly on all computers. http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/767orwhatzit.html you're finished, webfairy. you've now made yourself into a joke. anyone with basic competence in digital video, and pro- or pro-sumer grade equipment & software, can digitize and encode the naudet footage off the DVD with the same sort of results that eric got. i'll leave it to eric to try and figure out what kind of ridiculous mistake created that weirdly mangled frame that you claim is the 'real' naudet video image. i haven't seen anything that good since the old days of wiolawa's invisible solarized reptillian empulse bombers. but the important point is that you have now stooped to raw, desperate slander and lies. you now show your true colors. after this, i can hardly imagine that anything more you have to say is even worth responding to. however, i probably will get from eric a detailed description of his entire procedure and equipment used. then, mabye someone else with time to waste will enjoy creating an identical version of the file and demonstrate that your credibility is less than zero. -brian
Re: [CTRL] [cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: Webfairy
-Caveat Lector- On Aug 24, 2004, at 7:37 PM, The Webfairy wrote: I'm not "disproven." yeah, of course not, because instead of admitting your mistakes you just deliberately morph your theories to fit, a deliberately contrived attempt to keep critics running around in circles, forced to keep coming up with new debunkings that correspond to whatever happens to be your new flavor-of-the-day. This is one proof of how incredibly robust video actually is. Filtering out so much of the distortion and noize is a good thing, and I'm not bitching. The Taner version, distortions, artifact and all, was the first televised. It has great color depth, wasn't interlaced, and is still the only version to show the early frames of the object in flight without creating motion artifact. Subsequent televised versions were scalped, making it look washed out. you're making a fool out of yourself by continuing to claim that the compressed video files that circulated on the web represent the original footage more than the naudet DVD. period. I am a fan of noize filtering. It's the tellytubbie contingent claiming that filtering was distructive, or filtered out planes. so previously, you claimed that filtering removed the evidence of your 'whatzits', but now conveniently you claim that it reveals them! I am extremely dubious that the flash could appear and disappear in 1/60th of a second. well, to say so, then you must already know exactly what the flash is and already have proof!! you're way ahead of everyone else, as usual! I have some information about interlacing and filtering at http://thewebfairy.com/911/presentation This project has laid abandoned since I discovered the firetruck, and the implications became more than I could bear. everyone who has read eric's critiques knows that you have made numerous mistakes and obviously have no real expertise concerning interlacing, filtering, and the technical aspects of video in general. I will jump on whatever I think is right, as close to instantaneously as I can manage it. i think everyone can tell by now that this is exactly how you operate -- jumping to conclusions without the necessary dillegence and expertise, nor the faintest trace of disciplined self-skepticism, and subsequently ridiculing and ignoring critiques in your obsessively crypto-fascist "big lie" manner. you have the psychological characteristics of cult leaders, who use the same tactics - pathologizing and ridiculing outside critiques, rapidly changing the subject with blizzards of rhetoric when their fraudulent ideas are in danger of being exposed, using "big words" and fancy sounding terminology without substance to dazzle your followers into believing you have special insights, and cultivating an "in group" mindset which inverts reality, portraying you and your followers as gentle, open minded, unbiased truthseekers while dehumanizing outside critics as deluded, lying, mean-spirited persecutors. this all such classic and predictable stuff. its too bad for us all that this mindset has been penetrating so deeply into the 9/11 truth movement. There are a bunch of you, and one of me. My singular advantage is I do not have to stop to rationalize contradictions into agreeing with my previous thought. I can change my mind and toss out flaws in my thinking as I come to them. actually, i've only seen you toss out ideas after you've been totally debunked, in order to avoid honestly admitting it and instead just moving on to new change-the-subject distractions. For example, if the shadow you guys claim was "the shadow of the plane" -- that would mean your "plane" was only travelling 40 miles an hour. The earlier decimation was designed to hide that, I expect. and where have you presented you calculations for this?? i checked the links you provided and there was nothing. as is typical of your cheap-shot "engagement" cointelpro-tactics, you simply make new ludicrous claims to try and deflect attention from the well exposed fraudulence of your own theories, while tossing around fancy sounding terminology to give the impression to the easily duped that you've done your homework. you're digging your own hole deeper and deeper. -b www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [CTRL] [cia-drugs] Fwd: [CTRL] Webfairy
-Caveat Lector- On Aug 24, 2004, at 2:33 AM, The Webfairy wrote: All it takes to see the backup frame is to look at Eric Salter's excellent and supurb enlargements. His rendition also has the "flash frame" mysteriously missing from some versions. ... This is a work in progress. http://thewebfairy.com/911/missilegate as for the disappearnce of the "flash" from some versions, there is nothing mysterious about it. eric has already explained that this is a result of the flash only appearing in one field (i.e. half of a frame, or 1/60th of a second) and this being removed in the de-interlacing process that happens in many types of digital format conversion. incidentally, recently mark robinowitz argued that the absence of the flash in some versions of the footage, for example in zwicker's 'great deception', was proof that the flash was a fake addition. eric corrected him on this with a post to the 911truthalliance list. now, concerning the WTC1 footage: previously, you attempted to claim, to great comic effect, that the naudet DVD footage was a "filtered" version and that your versions represented the real images! having been completely disproven on that point and shown to be taking a foolish position, you are now changing your tune yet again, in your typically shifty way, and trying to claim the opposite -- suddenly now eric's superior quality conversions of the footage SUPPORT your analysis!!?! given that you clearly lack the principle and honesty first to acknowledge where your past mistakes have been proven by eric's and others' critiques -- not to mention failing to come up with a logical rebuttal, of course -- i'm not surprised to see you adopting this new diversion. what intelligent person is going to fall for this? i have to admit, this does fit the cointelpro-style tactics of 'engagement' that kris described so well, using misrepresentations and hollow arguments just to try and force a new response. as for your 'analysis' of perspective, it is so incoherent and erroneous as not to warrant a response; it's just more of the same garbage that you've offered before which has already been debunked. moreover, i've gone back to review the footage, playing it forwards & backwards in slo-mo and frame by frame dozens of times, and i do not see where the plane jumps backwards -- although i do see a part where the plane passes near or in front of reflective parts of the building where, possibly, someone with an poor, unskilled eye who was not watching carefully and thoughtfully could get confused by their own overactive imagination, just as is true for the entirety of this inherently low quality, low detail section of footage. the section from approx. frame 27 to 32 in eric's file is where i suspect such a mistake could easily be made by someone who is not keeping in mind fundamental, basic issues like video "blooming" distortions of bright specular highlights off the building that the plane is passing in front of, the problem of the thin wings disappearing inbetween scan lines in certain frames, and so forth. so, can you give the exact frame # of eric's file where you claim the plane jumps backwards? and, are there any other takers to second the claim that the plane "jumps backwards" in the naudet footage? as these spurious claims continue to roll out of the disinfo sausage factory, working overtime to churn out fresh new B.S. diversions as fast as old B.S. is debunked, i find myself reflecting on the fact that stubborn denial can be excused up to a point as the result of self-delusion and ego, but after a certain point it can only indicate some kind of willful malevolence. -brian www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Webfairy
On Aug 23, 2004, at 7:58 PM, Adam Bruce wrote: -Caveat Lector- While I do not doubt what you have provided here, I would like to state something for clarity's sake: If Webfairy got these images directly from an actual film of the "attack" then the initial images were either doctored or invented (the first images she provided showed a close up of something with great detail though it looked ridiculous). We are also left with the question of why in the images she provides there is a series from one frame to the next, in what is currently available at her website, where the object actually jumps BACKWARD for a single frame, then resumes its course forward. Is this not evidence of tampering? i have seen nothing that looks like the object jumping backwards for one frame in the naudet DVD version of the first footage, which is the benchmark. can you point me to the best example of a file that shows this 'jump'? this certainly deserves a careful look as possible evidence of tampering by somebody or other. aside from this, the main point to keep in mind is that the original naudet footage has a very low resolution image of the aircraft, which doesn't have enough detail to make fine judgements about anything. deductive logic, plus witness statements and the perfectly 767-shaped entry hole, support the existence of a 767 and not something else. the notion that one can get more resolution from nothing by using a fractal enlargement program and see details that aren't already visible in the video is pure BS. -brian
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [cia-drugs] Fwd: [CTRL] Webfairy
On Aug 22, 2004, at 5:11 AM, Kris Millegan wrote: In a message dated 8/21/04 10:20:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My first enlargements, made by opening the Taner video in Quicktime Pro maximized on my desktop, are still hanging at http://thewebfairy.com/whatzit This is a lie. The images at the site cited are blurrier and from farther away than the first ones. These are not the original images. In the initial images, individual black and white "tiles" could be made out, distinctively. tis to be expected from Webfraudy. My humble experience. neither webfairy nor her cult followers have come up with any successful refutations of these critiques: http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/767orwhatzit.html http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/767orwhatzit2.html her mistakes concerning video formats, compression artifacts, etc, are laughable. but anybody can use the old fascist technique of ignoring criticism, and instead "just keep saying it over and over until it becomes the truth." -brian
Re: [CTRL] [cia-drugs] Fwd: [CTRL] Fwd: "In Plane Site" based on disparaged but not discredited evidence ...
-Caveat Lector- i'm pretty infuriated at this point at the mess that robinowitz has created. i spoke out against his tactics on another list that he was on, but he just kept on with the same unconstructive crap -- unfounded accusations that video footage was being manipulated and faked (rather than just badly analyzed), name-calling disparagement, accusing everyone he was attacking of being "agents" without any evidence, promoting the disinfo about phil jayhan & FEMA (although he eventually acknowledged this error and retracted it)... etc. i'm not surprised that eric and i are facing guilt-by-association tactics. robinowitz can be a real attention-grabber and he has poisoned the atmosphere (not that this sort of thing is limited to him, though...) i stand by everything that eric and i have posted on questionsquestions.net in terms of analyzing video evidence, and we might even have some things to say about 'pods' in the near future, but i oppose the way robinowitz has handled this. texbook case of how to give people a convenient escape from a real debate by being able to claim that they're being persecuted by a hate campaign. On Aug 15, 2004, at 3:54 AM, The Webfairy wrote: I see this as an attempt to smear the body of his work, which remains the best exposition of how Fabian Socialism corrupted both sides into a bipartisan march toward totalitarianism. It is particularly important because it bears no "Larouchian taint" even tho it covers the same ground that gives Larouche the same set of perps. i think someone should write a book about larouche titled, "when bad things happen to good causes". While I was embarrassed and hurt to see my work trashed about by someone who's work I respect, I do not want to see the same Wurlitzer cranked up against him. i appreciate your respect, but i did not "trash" your work. i stand by eric's and my critiques as totally fair and reasonable. i know full well that you're going to continue feeling that we're completely wrong, but at least as long as you don't think that we're teletubby cointelpro, i'm ok with agreeing to disagree. these things are up to "the jury" in the end. I will be most interested to see if the various slanders against my work, against In Plane Site, and against Phil Jayhan are retracted by rabidnitwitz and crew. To simply turn the guns on Brian Salter instead is not enough, as the connections of the John Gray scandal continue to unfold largely do to his work originally sent to a private list. i think that rabinowitz should retract the statements he has made about footage & pictures being faked, for which i see no evidence at all, as well as his emphatic statements about an overall "op" going on without any evidence. at the same time, jayhan has also stooped to the gutter by posting robinowitz's address and phone number with a specific invitation for people to harrass him, and i'm told he's being vulgar and abusive to critics on the SF physical evidence list (which i'm not on). frankly, neither side of that feud reaches my threshhold for respect. -brian www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [cia-drugs] Apology to Brian Salter, re John Gray
-Caveat Lector- thank you, webfairy. i accept your apology. -brian On Aug 13, 2004, at 12:16 AM, The Webfairy wrote: re: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/planehuggers/message/71 I said something factually incorrect: "This is the first I've heard of any allegedly principled stand. I am glad that you take at least selective notice of his hate campaign." It is certainly proof that I am just as capable as anybody else of blanking out in information that does not fit my current theoretical structure. I was wrong, and I apologize. Nico said: In defense of Salter: He was never actively involved in the smear campaign against the "pod people" at the 9/11 Truth Alliance. This was more or less an intense solo trip by Robinowitz, later supported by Bill Douglas, Nic Levis, Vic Ashley and some other members. I also think, that Salter is not connected with the personal hack on letsroll911 or in any form behind the "FEMA-roomate-smear" or anti-websites like of Dan Mcghee aka http://www.yy2.com/letsroll911v2/YaBB.pl However, there are indications, that Robinowitz might know more about the FEMA-Roomate-smear, since the first postings were mirrored immediately by empirewatch.org (picked up from libertyforum), some NY Friends of Ruppert and Peak Oil supporters. Strangely, empirewatch.org was registered by XoMoX nyc, which was bought in June 2001 by Crane Aerospace & Electronics, also connected with STC MICROWAVE SYSTEMS ( Electronic Warfare) nico Here is the message I claimed didn't exist. Original Message Subject: Re: Nico Haupt on 911truth cointelpro Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:17:38 +0700 From: Brian Salter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> webfairy, i can imagine that one of the things you like about those statements from nico concerning john gray and other ongoing issues is that they could be interpreted as an accusation that anyone and everyone who is critical of no-plane/pod/911 video theories is part of a cointelpro campaign. but if this is what you're thinking, nothing could be further from the truth, because in fact i have recently been taking the lead on the 911truthalliance list to dig up the dirt on john gray, even continuing to press the issue there after nico had temporarily dropped it. i have also been consistently criticizing the nasty and divisive tactics used by mark robinowitz (oilempire.us) that nico complains about. nico and i have been in touch on this and are in agreement about this particular problem even though we respectfully disagree on the overall value of the WTC video analysis school. if you like i could forward a couple of my posts to the truthalliance where i condemn unconstructive, ridicule-based attacks on these issues. in fact, i should note that nico specifically stated on the truthalliance list that he considered eric's 911 video critiques to be fair and legitimate in their approach, in contrast to robinowitz et al. take note of this, as well as the fact that i have been linking to some of nico and woodybox's research (e.g. "the lost war drill" and "cleveland airport" series) on QQ.net. the following is a recent post of mine to the 911truthalliance list, after the hopsicker piece came out, with some of my research into gray / khashoggi. it's out of context vis a vis some earlier debate so some of the side issues might not be clear, but the critical info should be clear enough. nico has privately expressed to me his appreciation for my support for him on the john gray issue. this post of mine was enough to change the minds of several key people who had previously been very defensive and had accused nico and other john gray critics of a smear campaign. i would also point out that i am more cautious and a bit softer on the toronto inquiry organizers and 911truth people because i do not personally have access to some of the inside observers that nico does. but i take all of his concerns very seriously. -brian ------- - From: Brian Salter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject:Re: [911truthalliance] Barrie Zwicker in detail on John Gray Date: July 21, 2004 1:37:03 PM GMT+07:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Truthalliance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> the new flap over hopsicker's john gray piece makes me feel compelled to send an email to the list that i had written up about a week ago but kept in my out box because there was too much other stuff going on. but i have done some additional research that i think needs to be seen and considered. i believe that the explanations about grey's background that have been offered by nic, ruppert, and zwicker are not convincing and do not address all of the apparent facts. there are some claims make by hopsicker for which i am not aware of any direc
Re: [CTRL] PSYOP to convince people to submit to microchip implantation
-Caveat Lector- From: "norgesen ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: July 13, 2004 9:37:05 PM GMT+07:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [cia-drugs] PSYOP to convince people to submit to microchip implantation Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Caveat Lector- 7/12/2004 JAPAN: SCHOOLKIDS TO BE TAGGED WITH RFID CHIPS Japanese authorities decide tracking is best way to protect kids It's always for the children. How can you be against anything that's for the children? I find it interesting that this is being done in Japan. Japan is, to many in the West, a "free an open" society. In actuality, however, Japan has a profoundly fascistic and highly regimented society. Japanese fascism is subtle, almost elegant in its appearance. Japanese fascism is the model by which all other implementations of fascism must be rated. The reason for this is because Japanese individuals (resident of Japan, not necessarily people of Japanese decent living elsewhere) are essentially bred to comply with systemic and cultural norms that insure system maintenance. Japanese fascists enjoy a militaristic following from their subjects. For example, it is not uncommon for Japanese workers to die from service to their corporations. Karoshi is a Japanese term that means, "death from overwork." this bigoted analysis is really off the mark, and i say this as someone who has lived in japan. for one thing, japanese have actually shown a remarkable resistance in recent years to many intrusions on privacy and liberty, one example being successful mass protests against mandatory ID card proposals in several large cities. what i see as the impetus behind this unfortunate RFID plan is the incredible fearfulness of japanese; japanese society has been rocked by unprecedented violence, notably in regards to this case a spate of violence against children over the past couple years. japan is one of the world's most non-violent societies -- when i lived there, a stabbing in a tokyo back alley would make the national evening news. so the changes that are going on are very shocking to japanese and one really has to spend some time there to appreciate how sheltered and insular the culture is from horrible shit that the rest of us take for granted. i would suspect columbine-style psyops going on as well. this is not to say that there are very serious problems with the japanese state and many of their insitutions as is, but casting culture-wide blame is ridiculous. i'm not surprised at this rendition of the old "oriental despotism" bogeyman coming from cryptogon, a site which regularly peddles the NWO psy-ops of romantic individualism and ideological anti-statism. the left has been permeated especially since the 60s by the frankfurt school-style theories that hierarchy & centralization = domination & oppression or The State = authoritarianism. the frankfurt school was set up in connection with US psychological warfare programs after WW2 and was funded by the rockefeller foundation and other elite interests. frankfurt school member karl wittfogel authored a seminal work on "oriental despotism" perfectly in tune with the unique "open society" psyop dialectic of anglo-american "liberal imperialism", directing narcissistic western romantics' attention away from the insidious and subtle dialectic of liberal imperialism (anarcho-liberal feudalism, i call it) and towards a convenient and racially/culturally distant villain, asiatic "collectivism" and "conformity". rockefeller toady friedrich von hayek preached related crap to the right. one important hidden theme here is to keep the "dissent" left and right in the west aligned against a spectre of eurasian-style strong states, which serves the purposes of atlanticist geopolitics of eurasian subjugation, not to mention neoliberal ideology of decentralization and privatization in general. here's cryptogon spewing "anti-hierarchy" romantic individualism and sneering at the thought of collective, populist political dissent: Society as Troglodyte Hell The mistake we make---as informed and active individuals---is that we believe that others will "see the light" if they just knew what we knew. This isn't the case. The vast majority of people simply refuse to look. And many of those who do take the time and energy to delve deeper find that they want to quickly return to the warmth and comfort of their fictional belief systems that have been made real and tolerable by copious amounts of booze, television and profligate consumerism. The Internet creates a fallacy, though, that activists and dissidents etc. are making a difference. In reality, the Internet allows people like us to find each other, interact and pat ourselves on the back. There are various self congratulatory articles, lots of emails of appreciation, posts to newsgroups, etc. What tangible effect does all of this have on core policies? Hmmm? Are the elite quaking in their boots yet? Don't hold your breath. Much of this onli
[CTRL] Oil cartel, price fixing, fake shortage
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3123oil_speculation.html This article appears in the June 11, 2004 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. LaRouche: Bankrupt Speculators With $25 Per Barrel Oil by Richard Freeman and John Hoefle [Note: Figures and tables in this article are available to subscribers to Electronic Intelligence Weekly.] In a declaration of war against the speculators who had pushed the price of crude oil above $42 a barrel, and are launching it towards $50-60, 2004 Presidential candidate Lyndon LaRouche called on May 28 for the price of oil to be set at a target price of $25-26 per barrel, by nation-to-nation contracts, in order to bankrupt and take away the power of the speculators, and restore order to the oil market. LaRouche has emphasized that the high oil price is not a product of a shortage of oil production, of OPEC cutting oil supplies, or other cover stories, but arises from speculation by the big oil companies, investment banks, hedge funds, and other financial players, who are using the extra "take" to try to hold the financial system together. However, some in the circle of Vice President Dick Cheney favor a currently ongoing destabilization of the entire Southwest Asia and contiguous region: from the disaster in Iraq; to the recent terrorist assault in Al-Khobar, Saudi Arabia, against a complex housing foreign oil workers, which killed two dozen people; to the violence in Pakistan; which would create chaos in the region. This plan, sanctioned by certain financial players who think the financial system can't be held together, would trigger a conflagration in Southwest Asia, and send the oil price to unprecedented heights. Already in a Sept. 19, 2000 memorandum, entitled, "Bring Oil Inflation Under Control," LaRouche had asserted that governments must declare a general strategic emergency, and "establish contracts, directly between and among governments, of not less than 12 months' government scheduled deliveries of petroleum from exporting to consuming nations"; at the same time, defining "reasonable prices for these contracts." Based on these principles, the plan would "bring a most critical segment of this speculative inflation under control," and also "set standards of cooperation now urgently needed, for dealing with the general international banking and related crises" (see page 10). Put into practice today, this urgent solution would bring the price of oil to the $25 range. Rigged Market Some fools will insist on buying the Brooklyn Bridge, no matter how many times you tell them it's already been sold. The same is true with the story that there is an oil shortage. The truth: No oil shortage exists. Figures from the Paris-based International Energy Agency (IEA), the central collection point for world oil information, show that for the first quarter of 2004, world oil supplies were in the range of 82.3 million barrels a day (mbd), with consumption lower, in the range of 80.5 mbd to as high as 81.5 mbd. Thus, the world was in surplus during the first 90 days of the year, during the very period that world oil prices leapt by $7 per barrel. Furthermore, there is no relationship between the price of oil and the amount of oil being produced. Over the past several decades, oil production has increased slowly and predictably. Figure 1 shows that, since 1992, production has grown by approximately 15% Though not shown, world oil consumption has also grown gradually and predictably. Only if production had dropped significantly, or consumption risen steeply, should the world oil price have jumped up. Neither of these two changes has happened. How, then, should one explain the activity of the past dozen years, in which the oil price swung wildly up and down, regardless of rising production levels? Figure 1 shows the price gyrated wildly, first downward, then upward, then down again, and then up; today, the oil price is more than 50% above its 1992 level. The key to the ability of the financiers behind the oil cartel to manipulate prices in the oil market, is the shift which occurred during the oil crises of 1974 and 1979, in which long-term contracts—frequently for 24 or 36 months—at stable prices were replaced with the spot market and then the futures markets. Spot and Futures Markets The oil spot market was created in 1969 by the Lazard/Rothschild-allied Philipp Brothers, then the world's largest metals trader. Philipp Brothers, largely in the person of their top trader Marc Rich, began by selling small quantities of Iranian crude oil to independent refiners. The oil shocks of 1973 and 1979, which were orchestrated by the financier oligarchy under the cover of the OPEC oil embargo and the fall of the Shah in Iran, resulted in a shift in oil pricing away from long-term contracts toward the Rotterdam-based spot market. By "spot" is meant, that one buys the oil at a market only 24-48 hours before one takes physical (spot) delivery, as opposed to buying it 12 or more
[CTRL] QQ update: "no-planers" respond, Eric Salter continues critique
-Caveat Lector- Part 2 of "The WTC Impacts: 767s or 'Whatzits'" has been posted at questionsquestions.net. Eric Salter counters rebuttals from Webfairy and Scott Loughrey: http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/767orwhatzit2.html Part 1: http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/767orwhatzit.html www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New at QQ: Critique of 9/11 "no plane" theories
-Caveat Lector- New at questionsquestions.net: an analysis by Eric Salter, refuting several widely-circulated claims about the WTC airliner impacts on 9/11. These include the claims that original video recordings of the impacts were fabricated or altered using computer graphics, that aircraft other than 767s struck the the towers, and even that no planes hit the two towers, the planes supposedly being replaced by super high-tech "holographic" illusions [!]. The analysis shows that these claims, which unfortunately have been lingering around for some time, have no solid basis in the evidence -- video, photographic, or otherwise -- nor any solid basis in logic, and could help to discredit the 9/11 Truth Movement. The WTC Impacts: 767s or "Whatzits"? http://www.questionsquestions.net/WTC/767orwhatzit.html www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Re: [CTRL] …“Masters” prefer to milk the old, which generates profit and give them control…
-Caveat Lector- On May 2, 2004, at 9:05 PM, Kris Millegan wrote: Like Nazism, Communism, and Prussianism, groups, like S & B and Bohemian Grove are based on statist Hegelian idealism, the precise opposite of our ideal of Constitutional liberty and individual rights. The Owl of Minerva is the symbol of Bohemian Grove and the Owl of Minerva is also the title of the Hegelian Society Journal in the United States. http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/en/magee.htm Glenn Magee (2001) Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition Published: Cornell University Press, 2001. Introduction God is God only so far as he knows himself. his self-knowledge is, further, a self-consciousness in man and man’s knowledge of God, which proceeds to man’s self-knowledge in God. — Hegel, Encyclopedia of the Philosophical Sciences 1. Hegel as Hermetic Thinker Hegel is not a philosopher. He is no lover or seeker of wisdom — he believes he has found it. Hegel writes in the preface to the Phenomenology of Spirit, “To help bring philosophy closer to the form of Science, to the goal where it can lay aside the title of ‘love of knowing’ and be actual knowledge — that is what I have set before me” (Miller, 3; PC, 3). By the end of the Phenomenology, Hegel claims to have arrived at Absolute Knowledge, which he identifies with wisdom. Hegel’s claim to have attained wisdom is completely contrary to the original Greek conception of philosophy as the love of wisdom, that is, the ongoing pursuit rather than the final possession of wisdom. His claim is, however, fully consistent with the ambitions of the Hermetic tradition, a current of thought that derives its name from the so-called Hermetica (or Corpus Hermeticum), a collection of Greek and Latin treatises and dialogues written in the first or second centuries A.D. and probably containing ideas that are far older. The legendary author of these works is Hermes Trismegistus (“Thrice-Greatest Hermes”). “Hermeticism” denotes a broad tradition of thought that grew out of the “writings of Hermes” and was expanded and developed through the infusion of various other traditions. Thus, alchemy, Kabbalism, Lullism, and the mysticism of Eckhart and Cusa — to name just a few examples — became intertwined with the Hermetic doctrines. (Indeed, Hermeticism is used by some authors simply to mean alchemy.) Hermeticism is also sometimes called theosophy, or esotericism; less precisely, it is often characterized as mysticism, or occultism. It is the thesis of this book that Hegel is a Hermetic thinker. I shall show that there are striking correspondences between Hegelian philosophy and Hermetic theosophy, and that these correspondences are not accidental. Hegel was actively interested in Hermeticism, he was influenced by its exponents from boyhood on, and he allied himself with Hermetic movements and thinkers throughout his life. I do not argue merely that we can understand Hegel as a Hermetic thinker, just as we can understand him as a German or a Swabian or an idealist thinker. Instead, I argue that we must understand Hegel as a Hermetic thinker, if we are to truly understand him at all. Hegel’s life and works offer ample evidence for this thesis. There are references throughout Hegel’s published and unpublished writings to many of the leading figures and movements of the Hermetic tradition. These references are in large measure approving. This is particularly the case with Hegel’s treatment of Eckhart, Bruno, Paracelsus, and Boehme. Boehme is the most striking case. Hegel accords him considerable space in his Lectures on the History of Philosophy — more space, in fact, than he devotes to many significant mainstream thinkers in the philosophic tradition. There are, furthermore, numerous Hermetic elements in Hegel’s writings. These include, in broad strokes, a Masonic subtext of “initiation mysticism” in the Phenomenology of Spirit; a Boehmean subtext to the Phenomenology’s famous preface; a Kabbalistic-Boehmean-Lullian influence on the Logic; alchemical-Paracelsian elements in the Philosophy of Nature; an influence of Kabbalistic and Joachimite millennialism on Hegel’s doctrine of Objective Spirit and theory of world history; alchemical and Rosicrucian images in the Philosophy of Right; an influence of the Hermetic tradition of pansophia on the system as a whole; an endorsement of the Hermetic belief in philosophia perennis; and the use of perennial Hermetic symbolic forms (such as the triangle, the circle, and the square) as structural, architectonic devices. Hegel’s library included Hermetic writings by Agrippa, Boehme, Bruno, and Paracelsus. He read widely on Mesmerism, psychic phenomenal dowsing, precognition, and sorcery. He publicly associated himself with known occultists, like Franz von Baader. He structured his philosophy in a manner identical to the Hermetic use of ‘Correspondences!’ He relied on histories of thought that discussed Hermes Trismegistus, Pico della Mirandola, Robert F
[CTRL] Iraq WMD "discovery" in progress?
-Caveat Lector- An anonymous report from a few days back, and I'm not aware of any further verification, but I think this should be forwarded widely just as a precaution... -brian http://www.mehrnews.com/ar/wfNewsDetails_en.aspx? NewsID=65327&t=Political U.S. Unloading WMD in Iraq TEHRAN, March 12 (Mehr News Agency) – Over the past few days, in the wake of the bombings in Karbala and the ideological disputes that delayed the signing of Iraq’s interim constitution, there have been reports that U.S. forces have unloaded a large cargo of parts for constructing long-range missiles and weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in the southern ports of Iraq. A reliable source from the Iraqi Governing Council, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the Mehr News Agency that U.S. forces, with the help of British forces stationed in southern Iraq, had made extensive efforts to conceal their actions. He added that the cargo was unloaded during the night as attention was still focused on the aftermath of the deadly bombings in Karbala and the signing of Iraq’s interim constitution. The source said that in order to avoid suspicion, ordinary cargo ships were used to download the cargo, which consisted of weapons produced in the 1980s and 1990s. He mentioned the fact that the United States had facilitated Iraq’s WMD program during the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq and said that some of the weapons being downloaded are similar to those weapons, although international inspectors had announced Saddam Hussein’s Baath regime had destroyed all its WMD. The source went on to say that the rest of the weapons were probably transferred in vans to an unknown location somewhere in the vicinity of Basra overnight. “Most of these weapons are of Eastern European origin and some parts are from the former Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc. The U.S. obtained them through confiscations during sales of banned arms over the past two decades,” he said. This action comes as certain U.S. and Western officials have been pointing out the fact that no weapons of mass destruction have been discovered in Iraq and the issue of Saddam’s trial begins to take center stage. In addition, former chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix has emphasized that the U.S. and British intelligence agencies issued false reports on Iraq leading to the U.S. attack. Meanwhile, the suspicious death of weapons inspector David Kelly is also an unresolved issue in Britain. HL/HG End MNA www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush & The Nazis: New Documents
On Saturday, November 29, 2003, at 03:09 AM, William Shannon wrote:
http://www.guerrillanews.com/corporate_crime/doc3469.html
Bush and the Nazis: New Documents
Herbert Parmet, November 26, 2003
The link for Anton Chaitkin in the article above turns up this interesting recent letter to the History News Network site:
http://hnn.us/comments/23439.html
EDITOR'S NOTE: We received the following email from Mr. Chaitkin on Nov. 13, 2003.
I co-authored {George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography}, published 1992, the definitive story of the Bush family's relations with the financing of Hitler and the Nazi war machine. I wrote that account based in part upon the work of my father, Jacob Chaitkin, the legal cousel and strategist for the Boycott against Nazi Germany carried on by the American Jewish Congress.
I am history editor of Executive Intelligence Review, the weekly 72-page magazine associated with the political movement of Lyndon LaRouche.
In the "Bush / Nazis" field at present, you are operating in the following geometry. We, and those working with us, are acting to bust up the Cheney-Rumsfeld-Ashcroft-Wolfowitz cabal, aiming for the immediate ouster of Cheney. This fight is now at the stage of an absolute showdown, with a potential nuclear war the possible outcome if we do not break these lunatics right away. IN THIS SITUATION, some people are reviving the Bush / Nazis story in order to deflect attention from the political struggle now underway. For example, as you know, former President Bush ("41") has been acting in what strikes many as strange ways recently, evidently trying to restrain Junior from going over the abyss with Cheney. Thus, the story - which I put into the political mainstream in 1992 is only now being trotted out, for NOT necessarily good purposes.
For example, John Loftus, who did almost no original research, is now being hyped as the big source for the Bush-Nazis story; Loftus was recently at a war-crazies' "summit" in Israel with Richard Pearl et. al., promoting a new set of wars. [*]
A test of the sincerity of any new promotion of this story, would be whether the promoters actually get in touch with me, now. Here is my phone number - . Please give me a call -- I'd be pleased to talk with you, and assist you in any way that I can.
By the way, you can access the entire Unauthorized Biography, on many different websites. Just put my name and Bush into a search engine.
Yours truly,
Anton Chaitkin
Executive Intelligence Review
60 Sycolin Road, Leesburg, VA 20175
[* http://www.jerusalemsummit.org/eng/summit.php]
[CTRL] Larouche vs. Jesuits & Synarchists
-Caveat Lector- the following article is of interest as it is a clear refutation of recent spurious disinfo claims that larouche is pro-jesuit, and that his opposition to the synarchist movement is a cypher for anti-semitism. here, jesuits are identified as being behind synarchist efforts to promote the catholic "christero rebellion" in mexico, 1929. i rest my case! i don't think it could be any clearer. and i will not insult myself by responding any further to obvious slander attacks; however, if anyone is interested in a further discussion and critique of larouche based on an adult standard of debate and constructive, factual analysis, i'm willing to continue sharing info. Synarchism, the Spanish Falange, and the Nazis http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3029cristero.html ps: another source for the larouche org's views on jesuits (which, to my knowledge, they generally consider to be an infiltrated front for anglo-venetian interests within the the various factions of the vatican, FWIW) is anton chaitkin's "treason in america". there are 13 index references for jesuits, all of them very negative and critical, and which portray jesuits as allies of oligarchal subversion of american democracy over the past two centuries. whether this is an accurate analysis is a separate question, but this is what is on the record. pps: i know full well that in other ways, larouche clearly has a pro-vatican bias. to be clear, i'm not denying that. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] EVANS: WHO IS THIS LAROUCHE AND WHAT DOES HE WANT?
here is a rare fair-minded critique of larouche, with no hysterics:
WHO IS THIS LAROUCHE AND WHAT DOES HE WANT?
BY MARK EVANS
Buried in the Lyndon LaRouche/U.S. Labor Party file at the Data Center, the off-Broadway media/research outlet on 19th Street in Oakland, is a curious document dated January 16, 1981, in which the late Larry MacDonald, Congressman from Georgia and John Birch Society elder, read some interesting comments regarding LaRouche and his organization into the Congressional Record: "The NCLC," said MacDonald, "is a closed band, but one with its own unique twist that makes it as bizarre among political groupings as a Mobius strip is among geometric figures." This phenomenon of the pot calling the kettle black is typical in the factional fighting among the political cults, not only on the Right, but across the political spectrum. The Right, we should recognize, is not monolithic.
Depending on whom you believe, Larry MacDonald himself is alive (John Judge) or dead (most of the media). The late Mae Brussel, researcher par excellence, in an exposé of MacDonald and his associates published in the February '84 Hustler, made a strong case that Larry MacDonald and KAL 007 were taken out, not by the Russians, but by the CIA because MacDonald, whose neo-Nazi connections had begun to surface, had become a liability to his old friend Ronald Reagan. Be that as it may, mulling over MacDonald's evocation of the image of the Mobius strip regarding LaRouche, I decided that the Mobius strip is an apt geometric metaphor for the whole political spectrum.
Lyndon LaRouche, aka "Lyn Marcus" (1922-), an ex-Trotskyist (and ex-Wall Street economic consultant, who retired in 1964 with a cool million at the age of 42), was the economic theoretician and father confessor to the "National Caucus of Labor Committees" (the NCLC), which originated within the Columbia University chapter of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). The NCLC began as a neo-Marxian sect. Lyn Marcus was teaching an admixture of Gaussian and Riemannian physics grafted onto Marx in a loft in Greenwich Village, beginning in the Summer of 1966, under the auspices of the Free University of New York, an entity similar to the Open Exchange of San Francisco. Because he was witty, and by all accounts, "one of the more entertaining speakers on the Left" at that time, Lyn Marcus attracted a number of fairly bright, economically oriented, Greenwich Village radicals. After a couple of summer-sessions, he sent his newly recruited cadres uptown to Columbia University to join the SDS.
The "Labor Committees" were involved in the student strike at Columbia in the Spring of 1968. They are mentioned in The Strawberry Statement, James Kunan's topical work on the subject. In the fall of '68, the Labor Committees were kicked out of the Columbia University SDS by Mark Rudd and Bernadine Dorhn, who went on to found the Weather Underground, the wild-in-the-streets, cultural radical Maoists. After the big split in SDS at the Chicago convention in the summer of '69, the NCLC went back into SDS to become the inside opposition to the Progressive Labor (PL) faction who retained the mailing lists and the name SDS in the struggle that followed the split. The PL faction, "bow-tie Maoists," followed Milt Rosen, who followed Chairman Mao, while the NCLC followed "Chairman Lyn." Sometime during 1971-72, the NCLC positioned themselves to the left of the PL, essentially by accusing them of being the "running dog lackeys" for Rockefeller and the British Crown, which is another whole story in itself.
Sometime during 1973, "Lyn Marcus" proposed a united front with the Communist Party and the Socialist Workers Party, with himself as the head of a new "revitalized" left. After this proposal was rejected by those formations, the NCLC, under LaRouche, proclaimed themselves to be the true "Revolutionary Vanguard" and proceeded to physically attack members of the CP and the SWP ("Operation Mop-up") during the Spring of 1974. Subsequently, upon finding themselves ostracized out of the Left and the Revolution slipping out of their grasp, the NCLC, during 1975-76, "rediscovered" the American Revolution just in time for the Bicentennial and formed a united front with Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby. The LaRouchies were loosely allied with the Liberty Lobby throughout the late seventies, but broke with them when Willis Carto, in the winter of 1979, embarked on his campaign of "Holocaust Revisionism," denying that six million Jews were murdered by Hitler.
After 1976, LaRouche and his followers graduated from Marxism into being born-again Hamiltonians when they "discovered" that all of Marx's best ideas were supposedly lifted (without so much as an acknowledgment), from Alexander Hamilton. Their version of how they arrived at this collective conclusion was presented in The Civil War and the American System, by the Afro-American LaRouchian historian, Allen Salisbury. Since the early eight
[CTRL] Chaitkin: America's 'Young America' movement: slaveholders and the B'nai B'rith
-Caveat Lector- anton chaitkin continues the tradition of his nazi-hunting father with this research into the pro-confederate, pro-racist origins of the b'nai b'rith: http://www.schillerinstitute.org/conf-iclc/1990s/ conf_feb_1994_chaitkin.html America's 'Young America' movement: slaveholders and the B'nai B'rith by Anton Chaitkin Chorus: Ten years from now, in 1860, Lord Palmerston's quest for world empire will enter its most critical phase: the American Civil War, provoked by Young America and other pro-British networks. A French army will be in Mexico, propping up Maximilian. Britain will ready the fleet and send troops to Canada. The only support for Lincoln's beleaguered Union will come from the Russian Empire of Czar Alexander II, with two Russian fleets being sent to American ports in 1863 with orders from the czar to join Lincoln in fighting Britain and France should general war break out. Mazzini, Urquhart, and their assets will pull out all the stops to isolate Russia and blow up eastern Europe. In the midst of these preparations, we have the emergence of Young Israel—B'nai B'rith—as an ideal British weapon against both the United States and Russia, and also against other nations. Lord Palmerston's interest in Zionism was stimulated during the Middle East crisis of 1840, when France backed a rebellious satrap of the Ottoman sultan. The British found that while the French were the official protectors of the Roman Catholics in the Turkish Empire, and the Russians the patrons of the Orthodox, the British had no group of Anglicans or Puritans to sponsor. The British turned their attention to Armenians and Jews. Palmerston ordered British diplomats to take Jewish communities under their protection, since Britain was "the natural guardian of the Jews." This gave the British a foot in the door in the Middle East, and also in Russia, including Russian Poland, where 50% of world Jewry then resided. At this time, Palmerston's son-in-law, the Earl of Shaftesbury, wrote that "it may be safely asserted that [the Jews] contemplate a restoration to the soil of Palestine." Shaftesbury was talking through his hat: He admitted that many Jews "will prefer a seat in the House of Commons in England to a seat under their vines and fig trees in Palestine." But the British resolve to settle Jews in Palestine was clear. The founder of Zionism in its modern, British-sponsored form is not Theodor Herzl, but a certain Moses Hess. Hess converted Friedrich Engels to communism, and wrote parts of Marx's German Ideology. In 1861, Hess will write Rome and Jerusalem, which attacks Moses Mendelssohn for the idea that Judaism is a religion and a culture. For Hess, Judaism is a race in Mazzini's blood-and-soil sense, and therefore must have a homeland. Yet another of Palmerston's theme parks will open its doors. In the B'nai B'rith's official, authorized history, it says: "B'nai B'rith's relationship to the Civil War presents something of a mystery." They say that the arrest of the B'nai B'rith's leader in Washington as a Confederate spymaster was unfair. They say that no one can account for why the group was not pro-Union, whereas most Jews were pro-Union, and B'nai B'rith's lodges were almost all located in the North. Indeed, Jewish soldiers in the Union Army were intensely proud, mostly German-speaking immigrant, anti-slavery Republicans. To solve the mystery, we go back 20 years before the start of the American Civil War. British Foreign Minister Palmerston launched Zionism in 1840. He wrote that the Jews desired to return to Palestine (Abba Eban points out that the Jews knew nothing about this); and a month later, the British landed troops in Palestine for the first time. B'nai B'rith was started officially in 1843 by some obscure Freemasons in New York, as a secret society "like Freemasonry" for Jews. B'nai B'rith was to shape and lead a particular political faction, with a particular agenda, within the Jewish community. The agenda for this project came out in a famous speech given two years later at South Carolina College. The speaker was Edwin DeLeon, from a Jewish family in South Carolina that was already notorious for its involvement in the slave trade and in Scottish Rite Freemasonry. DeLeon was later a leader of the Confederate Secret Service. DeLeon praised his teacher at the school, Thomas Cooper, an English atheist and Lord Shelburne's adventurer, who had first proposed that the South secede from the Union. DeLeon hailed Cooper as a tender-hearted religious heretic and "an earnest ... disciple of the school of Bentham and Malthus." DeLeon said, "There is a 'Young Germany,' a 'Young France,' and a 'Young England'—and why not a 'Young America'?" He told the students: Any great civil convulsion comes from a source that is unexpected and obscure. In the French Revolution, the priests and nobles were only the flax with which the flame was kindled. But those who first applied the spark were the filthy, obscure savants of
[CTRL] Chip Berlet's apologist defence of ADL spying on US citizens
-Caveat Lector- an early report on a case which didn't end up well for the ADL... The ADL Spy Probe from Alexander Cockburn's "Beat the Devil," a bi-weekly column in The Nation. May 31, 1993 There have been fears that political pressure might squelch the case against the Anti-Defamation League spies being built by the San Francisco District Attorney, Arlo Smith. But the "San Francisco Examiner"for May 11 carried a story by Dennis Opatrny and Scott Winokur reporting that top officials of the ADL are "the ultimate targets of the San Francisco district attorney's domestic spying investigation." Such officials include the ADL's New York-based director of research, Irwin Suall. Meanwhile, the ADL's strategy is to link critics of its spy operation with neo-Nazis and with the World Trade Center bombers. I note here a story on the scandal in "The Village Voice" for May 11 by Robert Friedman. Since Friedman once wrote "The Nation" complaining I had credited another reporter for facts he had unearthed, I must say that I have a serious problem with the way he avoids giving credit to anyone but himself. Last July, in "Washington Report on Middle East Affairs," Gregory Slobodkin broke the story of AIPAC's smear operation in a story titled "The Secret Section in Israel's US Lobby That Stifles American Debate." On August 4, Friedman did a "Voice"story, "The Israel Lobby's Blacklist. "Nowhere in Friedman's story was it stated that Slobodkin had already published an account of his experiences at AIPAC. In his May 11, 1993, piece on the ADL, Friedman was still boasting that AIPAC's "spy operation was disclosed last summer in the `Voice,'" which it wasn't. And he never thanks his sources or acknowledges the efforts of people long laboring on the story, such as journalists in San Francisco or ABC-TV's James Bamford, who discovered the Benjamin Epstein letter from which Friedman quotes without tipping his hat to the journalist who got the document first. In fact, Friedman relies uncritically on the statements of ADL spy Roy Bullock to the FBI and to San Francisco police, as though they were proven facts. And in the end he lets off the ADL with a light stroke, courtesy of researcher Chip Berlet, who says the ADL "is a group whose leaders, at least, consistently defend the actions of Israel against critics, which ... is entirely appropriate" and "is a group that maintains an information-sharing arrangement with law enforcement. Again, there is nothing wrong for a group to do that." Berlet argues that it was some malign synergy between such ADL functions that led to trouble. In effect, he OK's the ADL's venomous smearing of critics as anti-Semites and then makes the amazing statement that there's nothing wrong with illegal acquisition and dissemination of privileged government information about individuals. This is the basis of the class-action suit against the ADL in California. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] LaRouche - The Yiddish Renaissance and Its Enemies
the following article may be interesting to those who are convinced that lyndon larouche runs an "anti-semitic" organization. many more articles on israel, david ben-gurion, early non-fascist zionism, etc, can be found at http://www.cecaust.com.au/culture/jewish/part5.htm The Lessons of Wartime For Statecraft Today by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. Mr. LaRouche delivered a Memorial Day webcast on May 28, sponsored by his Presidential Campaign Committee LaRouche, in 2004. He spoke by video-conference to an audience of 150 people in Washington, D.C. What follows is a selection from his opening speech, the full version of which may be found at www.larouchein2004.com . The Yiddish Renaissance and Its Enemies Now let's look at something awful. Let's look, just briefly, at a glimpse of what's going on in Israel and Palestine today. What we have is a short [film] of what is happening in Palestine and Israel now. Let me speak very frankly, because these are frank times, people are being killed, and you don't use soft words to describe hard reality. A long time ago, in Russia, there was a bad man. His name was Colonel Zubatov. He was the head of a secret police organization which was disbanded, essentially, in that form, after 1905. It was called the Okhrana. This fellow Zubatov recruited an individual called Vladimir Jabotinsky. Jabotinsky became an agent of the Okhrana, which was a British Intelligence-affiliated Russian intelligence organization at the time. A police state. The main target of the Okhrana at that time were the Jews of Russia. Now the leading organization among the Jews of Eastern Europe, of Russia in particular, was called the Bund, which was based in the northern parts of what was then called Russia. It's known in the United States as the Workmen's Circle organization. These people represented a formation called the Yiddish Renaissance, which was an extension among Jews of Eastern Europe, of the tradition of Moses Mendelssohn, of the German Jewish tradition of Moses Mendelssohn. And modern European Jewry, in all its achievements, and there were many, was actually largely a result of a revolution in the standards of the Jew, effected through the influence of Moses Mendelssohn, one of the greatest intellectual figures of the 18th Century. It was through Moses Mendelssohn and his family and friends, that Jews were first allowed to be treated as human beings in Austria. This was by Joseph II of Austria, the Emperor. And similar status of the Jew was finally—the Jew was elevated to a condition in Germany of full dignity. And from that point on, under the influence of Moses Mendelssohn's program, we have some of the greatest music ever composed, because Mozart, Beethoven, other great composers, the circles of the Bach family, were all part of this same tradition, this so-called Classical tradition, which was linked to this Jewish circle of Moses Mendelssohn. For example, Schubert—some of the songs of the Jewish service, were composed with the aid of Franz Schubert. Mozart was closely allied with the Mendelssohn family. Beethoven was subsidized, in part, by Itzig, from Leipzig, a part of the extended Mendelssohn family. The great contribution of German Jewish physicians, scientists, and others, like Heinrich Heine and others, to the culture of Europe, and civilization as a whole, as well as Germany, came from these people. And we had in Eastern Europe, what was called the Yiddish Renaissance. The same tradition, with the famous, famous name like Sholem Aleichem, famous in the United States in particular. Many of the people who came here, who were Jews from Europe, came from Germany, originally, and later came in great numbers from the Yiddish Renaissance masses of Europe. Even into the 1960s, in the mobilization around Martin Luther King, for civil rights in the United States, the Jewish unit, the Jewish element, in the fight for civil rights of African-Americans, came largely from the legacy of the Yiddish Renaissance, of the immigrants of the Yiddish Renaissance, into the United States. The Heirs of Jabotinsky So, here's the great tradition against which the Okhrana was fighting, Zubatov was fighting, and Jabotinsky was an agent. Jabotinsky then, as an agent, went to Paris, where he worked for one of the worst Okhrana agents in the world, the fellow who wrote and published the so-called "Protocols of the Elders of Zion." He then became involved, among other things, in a British Intelligence operation called the Young Turks, in Turkey. He was the publisher of the magazine, of the official magazine, of the Young Turk movement. He went to Italy, where he became a close associate of Benito Mussolini, declared himself a fascist, like Mussolini. His organization in Italy became an integral part of the fascist military organization in Italy. He—when Hitler was first elected to office, or nominated to office in Germany—he offered to support Hitler if Hitler would drop the anti-Semitism.
Re: [CTRL] IRAQ AND VIETNAM & LaRouche
-Caveat Lector- an email that begins with a pointless and puerile attack on my choice of typing without capitals, and ends with a long quote from a hatchet-piece by chip berlet, a known disinfo asset and apologist for the US ruling establishment, pretty much shows where you're coming from. if you are so sure about the larouchites, then tell me, you must have made an effort to contact someone in the organization to get their side of the story, for example, lead researcher anton chaitkin, the jewish son of one of america's most famous nazi hunters, who has for several decades been at the forefront of researching and exposing the bush family's nazi ties, in addition to the history of pro-fascist elite circles in the US and UK. if you have not made this attempt, can you explain why? can you offer an explanation why he would associate himself with larouche's organization if it really fits your description? -bs www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] IRAQ AND VIETNAM
On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 01:01 PM, David Sutherland wrote: The alleged founder of the Illuminati, himself a former student of the Catholic Jesuits himself repelled by their dogmatism, one Adam Weishaupt, was stigmatized by Barruel whom he labelled "a human devil". The Supremacist Aryan Nations, and Conspiracy monger and Fascist La Rouche, both imbibe the same idiom-ology in their own propaganda. actually larouche and his researchers quite vigorously denounce abbe barruel as a fraud [*], and are definitively anti-jesuit. they also sideline right-wing illuminati theories in general. every time i've come across a mention of weishaupt / illuminati in larouche-related writings, i've found it to be outright dismissive. nice try, no cigar. what are you trying to accomplish by piling bald-faced lies on top of your obviously hysterical prejudices? * in a related matter, on pp. 152-153 of "treason in america" by larouche's lead researcher anton chaitkin, there is documentation on how the founders of the american branch of scottish rite masonry originated a variation of the "jewish masonic conspiracy" myth in their official histories to obscure the origins of their order in the british oligarchy. in the same book chaitkin discusses the effects the barruel material had on some american politicians of the time, and describes it as a hoax created by the british to create a cover story for the infiltration of the jacobins by lord shelburne's secret intelligence service. incidentally, chaitkin is the jewish son of jacob chaitkin, one of america's leading nazi-hunting lawyers in the 1930s. accusations of "neo-fascism" and "anti-semitism" against larouche have been hammered out endlessly by the ADL and b'nai brith, which happen to be the only two major "jewish" organizations who opposed the anti-nazi boycott of 1933 (the boycott for which chaitkin sr. served as legal counsel)! put that in your pipe and smoke it . please be careful not to choke. whatever larouche's real faults may be -- and i'm not necessarily saying he should be trusted in general -- i find some of the accusations against him downright funny. obviously, a game is being played. can't say i've figured out what's behind it yet. but i can say for sure that i don't think i'll learn much from david sutherland. "When fascism comes to america, it will come calling itself anti-fascism." -- Huey Long
[CTRL] W. R. Plumme on Rothschilds & the world bankers
-Caveat Lector- (apologies for typos -- bad scanning) excerpt from "The Untold History" by William R. Plumme pp. 113-119 The purpose of Weishaupt 's Illuminati was to undermine the formantions of Western Civilizatios (i.e., belief in God and HIS Moral Law), and to prepare the way, first, for capitalism, and then, for socialism and communism. These concents did not originate with Weishaupt but, rather, date back to the Gnostics of Early Christian times, the Manicheanistic Catharists (Albigensians, Patarenes, etc.) of southern France and northern Italy, and to the Humanists of the late Middle Ages. These concepts, no doubt, were part of the program of the earlier French Illumines of the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries as well as of the Alumbrados of Spain, the last being formded during the revolution of the Partisans of the Comuneros (the Toledan movement) of 1519. These two incidents might he considered a preview of the French Revolution of 1792, except that the latter was largely led by Ger- man and French Illuminists who had gain- ed control of the French Assembly clue to the machinations, or inept handling, of Louis XVI's minister of Finance, Jacques Necker, who also had served as a member of the directorate of the French East India Company. The purpose of the forgery (i.e., the so called Protocols of the Elders of Zion), undoubtedly, was to gain control of the Jewish wing of the Socialist movement, the ultimate objective being to gain control of the oil of Russia, Palestine, and the rest of the Middle East. It served, on the one hand, the pur- pose of intimidating the knowledgeable Jewry who might otherwise have resisted the conspiracy successfully; it served, on the other hand, the purpose of arous- ing flie fear and hatred of the rest of Jewry toward their persecutors who, to them, appeared to be solely the Tsar- ist regime, thus consing those having a Socialist bent to give themselves more uncompromisingly to the socialist cause, while impressing upon those having the Zionist bent the imperative necessity for a National Home in Palestine. At the some time the document has served to create among non-Jews, who were conscious of the conspiracy which was taking place, an impression that the conspiracy was inspired by persons of the Jewish faith, and thus, at once, diverting the attention of those who could perceive that a conspiracy was afoot from the real conspirators, and thus transform them into the ready tools of the real conspirators for continuing the intimidation and the holding of Jewry in line with its Satanical plans. The practice of this deception on the part of the Luciferians, i.e., that of laying the blame for nefarious acts originating with themselves upon Jewry appears to go back to the very beginnings of the Gnostic-Illuminis- tin establishment. During the Middle Ages, Jewish bankers were employed as the middle men between the big Bankers, who posed as Christians, and the small fry borrowers. Naturally, the risk was great. and the interest proportionately high. Whenever the Jewish middle man, whose modern equivalent, would be the finance company, began to accumulate a fair sized reserve, the state or the mob moved in and looted him of everything he posessed. But when the introduction of the lateen sail made ocean commerce practical and thereby decreased the importance of the overland routes between the Mediterranean and North seas, and the banking-commercial interests were prepar- ing to make the necessary arrangements, the Savoyard kings of France and England — Philip the Fair and Edward I — expelled the Jews from from their country. The mothers of these two kings were sisters. the daughters of Raymond Berenguer of Provence; their mother, the daughter of the Count of Savoy; and her uncle, a leader of the Albi- gensians. Many of the advisors of these two kings were the descendants of Catharists who had "recanted." Signiicantly, both kings came into collision with the Church. Under Philip the Fair began the Avignon cap- tivity and the Great Schism which followed. Philip also liquidated the Knignts Templars who acted as bankers for the Church, confisca- ting their property and burning many of them at the stake. Among those who were thus treat- ed, was Jacques deMolay, the last Grand Master of the Order. Philip's minister, Pierre Dukis, a descend- ant of the Albigensians, called for the forma- tion of a European league to enforce peace under the leadership of the French king. Under the Dubois plan, disputes were to be settled by judicial methods, i.e., the Byzan- tine Code. At the same time, in order to break down the Champagne fairs, in preparation for the transfer of the center of international com- merce to the Channel port of Bruges, Philip began to debase the coinage and constantly to vary its value. It was during this period that the property of the Jews was confiscated and they, them- selves, expelled from France. Again, when in the course of the fourteenth century, the
[CTRL] Trotsky & Wall St. (excerpt from 'Treason')
-Caveat Lector- Excerpt from Treason--The New World Order (Gurudas, 1996) From Chapter VII: Early Signs of Treason, pp. 79-81 There are numerous incidents in the 20th century that show how dangerous the bankers and corporate elite are. Carroll Quigley described how international financiers worked behind the scenes in many conflicts influencing governments and making deals. The Laurence Boothe Papers at the Hoover Institution document how, in return for cconomic concessions, Wall Street assisted the 1912 rebellion of Sun Yat-sen in China. The corporate elite have fomented many rebellions and wars. To the ruling elite war is just another means to increase power and profits. During and after World War I numerous bankers, corporate leaders, and government officials provided assistance and millions of dollars to place the communists, and later Hitler and Mussolini, into power. Some apologists have claimed that money was only given to the communists to keep Russia in the war against Germany during the first world war, but the evidence clearly refutes this view. These financiers also supported the anti-communists, like Admiral Kolchak in Siberia. It was imporant to support both sides to insure future profits. Some of the financiers supporting the communists, like Thomas Lamont head of the Morgan banking group, also supported the fascists. While various authorities such as Gary Allen have discussed this interaction, Antony Sutton from the Hoover Institution at Stanford University has provided the most irrefutable and detailed evidence of this alliance in several books, espe- cially in Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler and Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, using U.S. State Department documents, congressional reports, released archives such as from the Nuremberg trials, and newspaper reports. Sutton spoke before the Republican platform committee in 1972, but his news conference was cancelled, and when he returned to the Hoover Institute he was ordered to not make any public statements and his contract with he Hoover Institute was not renewed. The Rockefeller-controlled Chase Bank (later Chase Manhatan Bank) helped finance the Bolsheviks as did Lord Milner, head of the London Round Table, a Member of he British cabinet, and director of a London bank. The Washington Post, on February 2, 1918, said William B. Thompson, a director of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, gave the Bolsheviks one million dollars to spread their doctrine. On Ocmber 17, 1918 William L. Saunders, deputy chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, wrote to President Wilson "I am in sympamy with the Soviet form of government as that best suited for the Russian people…” John Reed, a communist, worked for the Metropolitan magazine which was con- trolled by Morgan. Jacob Schiff, head of the New York bank Kuhn, Loeb & Company, heavily financed President Wilson's 1912 election. On February 3. 1949 the New York Journal-American said: "Today it is estimated, even by Jacob's grandson, John Schiff, a prominent member of New York society, that the old man sank about $20 million for the final triumph of Bolshevism in Russia. Oher New York banking firms also contributed." Jacob Schiff helped found the Council on Foreign Relations. Much of this nefarious activity took place from 120 Broadway in New York City. A few of the parties based at this address included: the New York Federal Reserve, GE, Guaranty Trust Co., Franklin Roosevelt, and the first Soviet ambassador to the U.S. The first Soviet bank was controlled by Morgan with its Guaranty Trust Company the U.S. agent. American International Corpolation, founded in 1915 by Morgan interests and located at 120 Broadway, played a key role in supporting the Bolshevik revolution, and later some of its directors such as Arthur Lehman and Pierre ths Pont supported Roosevelt. On March 24, 1917 the New York Twas revealed that Schiff had financed the Distribution of revolutionary literature to 50,000 Russian military prisoners cap- Tured during the Russian-Japanese war. The Times article quoted a later telegram from Schiff in which he said: Trotsky was “what we had hoped and striven for these long years." In January, 1916 Schiff arranged to bring Trotsky to the U.S. Trotsky entered the U.S. without a passport and was then given a U.S. passport to get back to Russia.[1] There was an international warrant for his arrest, and when he was detained in Canada, U.S.authorities got him released. In the June, 1919 issue of MacLean’s, J.B.MacLean said Trotsky was released “at the request of the British Embassy at Washington...and that the Embassy acted on the request of the U.S. State Department, who was acting for someone else."[2] In The Road to Safety. Arthur Willert, Washington correspondent for the London Times, said Colonel House, chief aide to President Wilson, told him President Wilson wanted Trotsky released. He conveyed this request to
[CTRL] JP Morgan Chase question
-Caveat Lector- a somewhat esoteric question: david rockefeller used to be the chairman of the chase manhattan bank "international advisory committee". george schultz now is the chair of the jp morgan chase "international council". in light of the fact of the merger a few years back, does anyone know specifically whether the latter entity is directly linked with the former? i couldn't find any info... but it seems like it would be; i'd like to know if schultz is now holding a position that could be said to be equivalent to rockefeller's old one. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Goddess Has No Clothes
http://www.debunker.com/texts/PGDavis2.html The Goddess Has No Clothes Goddess Unmasked by Philip G. Davis ISBN 0-9653208-9-8. 418 pp., $29.95. (Dallas: Spence Publishing Co., 1998 ) Reviewed by Robert Sheaffer (Originally published in The Skeptical Inquirer May,/June, 1999, Vol. 23:3, p. 51) One of the fastest-growing new religions today is a neopagan tradition termed "Goddess spirituality." It is especially popular among New Age disciples and radical feminists but its teachings are accepted at least in part by a large segment of society. The Goddess whispers a seductive tale of a golden age in a distant past. A paradise supposedly existed in Europe and probably elsewhere during the Neolithic era (fans of the Goddess greatly prefer that dignified-sounding term to the more comprehensible "New Stone Age"). Supposedly, there was little or no conflict, little or no social hierarchy, and most especially, no gender discrimination or sexual inequality. The reason these Goddess societies were such paradises, we are told, was because they were "gynocentric" (woman-centered), perhaps even actually "matriarchal." Indeed, the U.N. Fourth Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 featured a full-size "reconstruction" of a supposed "ancient matriarchal village," complete with a giant pair of female breasts, one above the other, to guard the entrance. The only problem with this tidy picture is that it is totally unsupported by sound scholarship, rejected by virtually all professional scholars whose field of expertise lies within the Goddess’s claims. With few exceptions, however, these scholars are reluctant to speak out too forcefully against Goddess misinformation, for fear of being branded "anti-feminist." Consequently, the Goddess claims have seldom been critically examined. With Goddess Unmasked, we now have a book which brings together the best refutation of rampant Goddess nonsense, authored by a professor of religious studies at the University of Prince Edward Island in Canada. Davis observes that "we do not possess a single translated text" from any of these supposed major Goddess cultures, leaving anyone who is so inclined free to attribute to those vanished societies whatever social arrangements they are most eager to promote in our own. Indeed, a cynic might suggest that the Goddess can only reign supreme over societies in which no one can read or write. (But some movements are so irrational that they are impossible to satirize. Neurosurgeon Dr. Leonard Shlain suggests exactly that in The Alphabet vs. The Goddess: when logical left-brained patriarchs invented writing, it doomed the intuitive, right-brained Goddess cultures!) Today Goddess misinformation has entered the curriculum in far more places than most people realize. The Goddess actively promotes "alternative medicine," especially in schools of nursing. Davis quotes from one prominent neopagan book: "Women have always been healers, and the knowledge of healing - of aura work, colors, herbs and homeopathy, reflexology, midwifery, massage, crystals, and trance states - have always been part of the goddess’ mysteries." The Goddess misrepresents the history of religion, depicting it as a struggle between warm and nurturing female-oriented religions and exploitative, death-dealing male-dominated ones; conventional scholarship knows nothing of this supposed struggle, or indeed of those categories of religions. (The Goddess Kali, worshipped widely in India, demanded human sacrifice. She ruled over a society in which a person’s caste was fixed at birth, and widows were burned on their husband’s funeral pyre. The Goddess writers, notes Davis, present their evidence highly selectively.) Indeed, the Goddess misrepresents the entire history of civilization, portraying it as a struggle between early utopian, female-dominated societies, and later violent, hierarchical and patriarchal ones; professional historians dispute that there ever was a "matriarchal" or "woman-centered" stage of civilization. Perhaps most seductively of all, the Goddess misrepresents her own history, claiming to be the heir of an unbroken line of covert pagans and druids who secretly preserved the Goddess’ occult healing ways since remote antiquity despite Christian persecution. Davis convincingly traces the origin of the contemporary Goddess movement not to classical antiquity but to 19th-century French and German Romanticism. "Nothing about the Goddess myth correlates with what we know of the ancient civilizations which her devotees claim as their foremothers; everything, however, has clearly identifiable roots in the modern subcultures which began with Romanticism and the nineteenth-century occult revival." In Romanticism, "the supreme importance of feelings, and the purity of the primitive," were emphasized. "The prized Romantic values of emotion, intuition, affinity with nature, and boundless love co
Re: [CTRL] More discussion on Fascism and Socialism
On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 11:06 PM, Zuukie wrote: One of the first things the Nazis did was to murder every socialist they could find. When leftists talk about socialism today they mean DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM, [Internet Wizards] This is simply not true. The Nazis were proud to claim their socialist agenda and were considered as part and parcel of the left by every major trade union, socialist party and the CPSU until 1941. i'm very curious to know some good sources on this, if possible. i wasn't aware of this. tnx, -bs
Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism
-Caveat Lector- On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 12:21 PM, Brian Salter wrote: regime. this connection is particularly notable in the writings of vilfredo pareto, a theorist who was influential in the development of fascism. oops, i didn't mean to say Pareto... i was thinking of Georges Sorel. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism
-Caveat Lector- On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 08:25 AM, flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- One of the first things the Nazis did was to murder every socialist they could find. When leftists talk about socialism today they mean DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM, with workers (including managers) having democratic control (one-person-one-vote, not one-dollar-one-vote as in the U.S. today) over the businesses they work in and over the economy and government as a whole. what is seldom discussed is that socialist ideas about direct worker control of factories, such as guild socialism or syndicalism, have a direct link to the sort of corporatism seen in mussolini's fascist regime. this connection is particularly notable in the writings of vilfredo pareto, a theorist who was influential in the development of fascism. the spanish civil war is often cited as an example of supposedly successful application of "democratic socialism", but many better-informed leftists are very wary of this claim, given the potential for corporatism that could have come out of that situation (even more, since it only lasted about a year and a half, it really doesn't amount to a successful test run of anything). these surprising connections are obscured and buried by the "left / right" labeling game vis a vis fascism. also obscured by the childish assumption that just because different political groups are fighting & killing eachother, their ideologies must be diametrically opposed. not so. on a deeper level, the obsession with collectivizing the workplace as the single, driving objective of socialism, is the core marxist ruse & psy-op... this creates maximum class antagonism between the working class and middle class, and thus keeps the heat of the true overclass -- the financial elite (with various cartels & monopolies at their side). it also obviates any possibility of reaching an equitable social modus vivendi between workers and employers, as opposed to utopian, absolutist egalitarianism. marx's theories also divert the blame solely on the dynamics of the productive sector of the economy for economic instability and wealth accumulation, and thereby insulate the manipulation of monetary systems and central banks from adequate attention. this is why wall st. bankers have such a cozy history with marxism! the link i posted yesterday about the populist socialism of the 30s shows that they at least had their general priorities straight -- their number one objective was to eliminate the fed and nationalize the central banking system. it's worth noting that even many libertarians support one particular centralized, socialistic policy that is really in our benefit -- a nationalized central bank. (not counting radicals like rothbard who advocate free-market monetary systems). a further note, marx's labor theory of value never worked as a systematic theory of capitalism. in fact, it was a shamble of contradictions and illogic, as was first demonstrated by boehm-bawerk in his famous critique. in fact, in Kapital, vol. 3, marx actually subtly admits that he couldn't really make this theory work in a way that reflected real market behavior, not without some absurd fudge factors. that doesn't mean that there isn't a metaphorical truth to the value theory of labor, however. but marx's system otherwise simply falls apart. this must be considered as well. i only discovered these details recently, and it blew my mind. just think of all that the world has been subjected to on behalf of this theory which didn't work from the start. this is the dark human comedy, i guess... www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism
-Caveat Lector- On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 11:12 AM, Zuukie wrote: A great deal of the wealth created by the American capitalist economy has been accomplished by taking control of third world nations (see the references below), robbing their natural resources, installing murderous dictatorial (death-squad) governments, and then using their populations as slave labor at wages of pennies per hour to grow and manufacture products for American corporations. This practice is still going on. there are many libertarians, conservatives, and other advocates of free-enterprise capitalism who absolutely deplore these types of atrocities by the US government, and who deplore the form the government has taken over the past century. regardless of the pluses or minuses of their viewpoints, it is totally unfair to their views and a cheapshot to lump all non-socialist views together with the atrocities of the current ruling elites and simply label it all "capitalism". that's a gutter level cheap shot, and the left just keeps on doing it. in fact, although i have some fundamental differences with the libertarians, i feel that their arguments that the atrocities of the US govt have been enabled by the institutionalization of the "welfare-warfare state" more than anything else are sometimes more prinicpled and more analytically grounded than the left has to offer. M:Wrong. Scandinavian and other countries that practice Social Democracy...have much better distribution of wealth than the U.S. economy. Z: Are you suggesting we should stop all foreign aid, all military aid to other countries, support of the UN, all humanitarian aide to other countries, etc. and keep the profits here for the betterment our people? Coveting again? i think that redistribution of wealth & land should be on the table... at the same time, it should be recognized that attempts to apply aspects of social democracy in the US have had the opposite effect of what was promised. for example, the "progressive" income tax, which was supposed to redistribute wealth, has actually served to demolish the middle and upper-middle classes, thus preventing any challenges to the top elites. these top elites are also inveterate opponents of genuine free enterprise; they LOVE planned economies. (but these days, instead of being planned by governments, they are planned by multilater corporations.)this was spelled out in a carnegie foundation study from the 30s, which is not well known today... also i'd like to point out that there used to be some populist forms of socialism in the US, believe it or not, but these were extinguished by the postwar trotskyist / countercultural left. i think some open-minded reexamination is due: http://www.sonic.net/~doretk/ArchiveARCHIVE/MARK%20EVANS/ PopulistSocialism.html M:Sooner or later tyrants and their advocates will divulge their true motives! Here "Zuukie" and (as I'm told) her friends are advocating the maintenance of economic-class, racial, and gender social barriers, which can mean nothing less than control of the government, society, and economy by wealthy white businessmen. This is exactly the agenda of the Fascists and the businessmen who supported them, for the simple purpose of maximizing their profits. Z: Wow. All that? Leaping logic leaping logic indeed. mark is using polemical, either-or arguments, demonizing rather than debating. but zuukie, you're very polemical as well. The "gay rights" movement isn't about civil rights for homosexuals. Homosexuals enjoy all the same civil rights as other Americans. Absolutely false. Homosexual people are generally not allowed to have official marriages, and so are denied the various economic and social rights that such marriages confer, and they are also discriminated against in employment, housing, etc. homosexual marriages ought to be allowed; let's be humane. but homosexual parenting should not. but the idea that the ruling class in the US are homophobic per se is nonsense; the rockefeller-funded kinsey studies deliberately exaggerated the prevalence of homosexuality in america, along with other aspects of "non-traditional" sexuality. it is very clear that the changing of america's sexual mores was sanctioned from the top, from certain circles anyway. not in the sense of supporting "liberation", but to create demographic changes, to weaken the family structure and thus make the citizenry more susceptible to having their values changed by propaganda, and also to lower the birth rate in accordance with elite concerns about population (the rockefellers were at the same time setting up groups like the Population Council to carry on the eugenics cause... the rockefellers have been heavily involved in funding certain types of feminist programs, and supporting feminist programs through the UN, because this offers a convenient PR shield to hide the eugenics agenda behind some "family planning" efforts.) just because the reaction to social change is o
Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism
-Caveat Lector- i'll check out these references. i'm not strongly endorsing macdonald; however having read some criticsm and counter-criticism, i'm not convinced he's anti-semitic. in fact, his academic work is devoted to ethnic particularism in general, and he has studied other diasporic cultures as well, which somewhat rules out him having a personal agenda or vendetta. however i do think he overgeneralizes, and one thing that i think is sorely missing is an awareness of how the attitudes of jews have been manipulated by elites to play a certain role. this is the crucial element. i believe that both christians and jews have been massively manipulated to serve agendas that are not in their interests. also i think that many elitists who are assumed to be "jews" or "christians" are in fact nothing of the sort. at the same time, it is not fair to prohibit open analysis and consideration of jewish cultural identity and its effect on politics and society, given the extraordinarily disproportionate representation that jews have in certain areas. i think that this goes beyond the simple question of zionism or anti-zionism. one cannot ascribe *everything* to individual experience or purely external factors; people are often influenced by their cultural identity and this needs to be acknowledged, in an objective way, without hate. so, even if macdonald falls into the anti-semitic camp, that doesn't mean that some of the issues and research he brings up are out of the question. that said, i think peter meyers offers a more balanced discussion. also this recent article by sherman skolnick (who is jewish) points the way to a more nuanced view: http://www.rense.com/general38/bordello6.htm i'd also like you to back up your accusation against mark that he is a "jew hater". can you point out some proof of that? i am somewhat familiar with mark's writing and opinions, and i have never seen any evidence of that whatsoever. -brian On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 01:29 PM, Zuukie wrote: -Caveat Lector- While looking over your links, I was struck by your use of Kevin MacDonald who in no way is a neutral source when it comes to the Jewish community. There are many historical reasons why Jews find themselves in the liberal camp without examining carefully as individuals their involvements, and I find myself in disagreement with that philosophy for many reasons. When I first heard attacks on Kevin MacDonald, I wondered what was going on, but after looking at his involvements and his writings, I have no doubt that he falls into the antisemitic camp. Any search on the net will provide much information on his work. He would fit very well into Veith's book, Modern Fascism, on fascism in the academic community. Particularly revealing was an article he wrote which parallels the views of Savitri Devi, a hardcore antisemite. A biography of her is titled Hitler's Priestess. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism
-Caveat Lector- i perceive a typically polarized argument going on here, so i'm going to interject some comments... just because i'm so damn sick and tired of both sides of the left-right culture war!!! On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 12:07 PM, Zuukie wrote: -Caveat Lector- I sent Mark's post to a number of people. Here is a response from one of them: Fascism is based on the ideal of National SOCIALISM. The only real difference between a Nazi and a Communist is that a Nazi believes that socialism can be achieved in a single nation while a communist believes that a global socialist state is need to fully implement socialist tyranny. IMO, the idea that National Socialism was genuine socialism (as the left sees it, anyway), and the idea that National Socialism was the capitalist world's defence against socialism are BOTH bullshit hoaxes, perpetrated by the ideologues of left and right on eachother. these arguments are a disease of those who need to think in dualistic terms. however, i have recently been tilting somewhat to the opinion that the absolute categorization of the nazis as "right wing" is a distortion of history by the left (especially trotskyists, who have abused the very word "fascism" into oblivion by using it as a facile verbal weapon against any ideology they don't like, whether or not it accurately fits). this is certainly the case if one equates fascism with "late capitalism", which has always been a cheapshot marxist canard. the nazi party platform was very heavily collectivist and strongly espoused a planned as opposed to a market economy, and there was a notable anti-capitalist element in both the nazi platform and many right-wing nationalist movements of the time (a competitive, free-market system, whatever it's real flaws may be, was seen as the enemy because it gave an undesired equality to outsiders and thus weakened the "volk"). a more perceptive and fair way to look at the nazi regime was as a rendition of what james burnham called the "managerial society", which was neither capitalism nor socialism, and in fact is antithetical to both in important ways. it is this "managerial state" which is the real agenda of the wall st. so-called "capitalists" who supported hitler (and some of whom, such as the rockefellers, had earlier supported the rise of the bolsheviks, who created what burnham also considered to be a "managerial society"). http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/burnham.html anyway, here's a quote from a dissenting point of view: "The evidence that Nazism was part of the socialist tradition continues to accumulate, even if it makes no headlines. In 1978 Otto Wagener's Hitler: Memoirs of a Confidant appeared in its original German. Wagener was a lifelong Nazi who had died in 1971. His recollections of Hitler's conversations had been composed from notes in a British prisoner-of-war camp, and they represent Hitler as an extreme socialist utopian, anti-Jewish because ``the Jew is not a socialist.'' Nor are Communists--``basically they are not socialistic, since they create mere herds, as in the Soviet Union, without individual life.'' The real task, Hitler told Wagener, was to realize the socialist dream that mankind over the centuries had forgotten, to liberate labor, and to displace the role of capital. That sounds like a program for the Left, and many parties called socialist have believed in less. Hitler's allegiance, even before such sources were known, was acknowledged by socialists outside Germany. Julian Huxley, for example, the pro-Soviet British biologist who later became director-general of UNESCO, accepted Hitler's claim to be a socialist in the early 1930s, though without enthusiasm (indeed, with marked embarrassment). Hitler's program demanded central economic planning, which was at the heart of the socialist cause; and genocide, in the 1930s, was well known to be an aspect of the socialist tradition and of no other. There was, and is, no conservative or liberal tradition of racial extermination. The Nazis, what is more, could call on socialist practice as well as socialist theory when they invaded the Soviet Union in 1941 and began their exterminatory program. That is documented by Rudolf Hoess in his memoir Kommandant in Auschwitz (1958). Detailed reports of the Soviet camp system were circulated to Nazi camp commandants as a model to emulate and an example to follow." from, "Never Blame the Left" by George Watson, quoted at http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/genocide.html (note: i don't endorse everything on this page...) He also assumes that the elimination of all social barriers is a good thing. History shows us this isn't so. The social anarchy that followed the French and Russian revolutions were not the beginnings of a socialist utopia, they were rightly called Reigns of Terror. i think this is oversimplistic, but i would agree that left utopianism is more directly responsible for unexpected nightmarish consequences than the left admits. this is particular
Re: [CTRL] A Baseball Conspiracy?
Title: Re: [CTRL] A Baseball Conspiracy? -Caveat Lector- so, might this be a hint why the early bonesmen were apparently so keen on baseball?!? a quick search revealed... the numbers began to be standardized under the direction of yale graduate daniel lucius adams, now increasingly acknowledged as the real father of baseball, not cartwright. http://members.aol.com/Hitman0187/father.html adams was credited with making baseball into more of an upper-crust diversion in his era; he eventually retired to conneticut and his sons attended s & b connected sheffield scientific school. http://www.enel.net/beisbol/history/event/origin/fatherof.html (ps: i didn't find the original to your Re: so i hope i'm not repeating anything) bwahahaha all american, -brian -Caveat Lector- Thanks to Alexander Cartwright the United States plays Baseball And as a number cruncher and contriver, I say Baseball is the Moon Game, or the Pyramid Game. OK, we have a diamond¹ each side 90 feet is 360 feet x a maximum length of the bat at 3.5 feet is 1260, the Torch of the Illuminati¹. And the length from the rubber to home plate is 60.5 feet and the home plate is 17 inches wide, so 60.5 x 17/12 is 85.708334 And the diamond and bat at 1260 x 85.708334 is 107,992.50 and the radius of the Moon is 1,079.925 miles and the diameter is 2,159.85 miles (3476km). Thu Baseball has the reference for the Order of the Illuminati, or Miss Liberty at 1260, and thanks to the rubber to home plate, shows us it is the Moon Game. But then the Moon at 2,159.8514 miles has a circumference of 6,785.3734 miles is equivalent to 10,920km and the Great Pyramid at the reciprocal of its 91,575,000 cubic feet is 1.0920010920e-08. Thus Baseball, the Moon Game, is indeed also the Pyramid Game and the national game of the United States of America But then I only contrived Baseball as such, for surely Alexander Cartwright knew not of such numbers, and so no conspiracy. JohnDM www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] People's Commission/Organizing Meetings in NY & SF
-Caveat Lector- my apologies to the list and to kris; my last message was not meant to be sent to the list. -brian http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] People's Commission/Organizing Meetings in NY & SF
-Caveat Lector- hey kris, this message may be unnecessary, but i wanted to check with you about the consorts list since i think i neglected to mention to you that it is normally a private list. if you checked with carol before forwarding this, then of course it's fine. i don't think i explained the list to you so it's entirely my fault if the privacy thing wasn't clear. anyway, i don't think there's any problem with stuff you've forwarded to CTRL. just FYI. thanks, brian > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:17:45 EST > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [CTRL] People's Commission/Organizing Meetings in NY & SF > > -Caveat Lector- > > Dear Consortium, > > I spoke with Premilla yesterday, who is the moving force behind New > York WILPF's branch who is sprearheading the organizing effort for the > initial gathering/conference in New York next month. She and Kyle are > organizing a meeting in New York City on Thursday, December 19th, to bring > on more endorsers, organizations, and support for the People's > Commission. I thought that was a great idea and that we should also do the > same thing here on the West Coast. So, I called Henry Dakin and he will > let us use 3220 Sacramento to show the latest version of Aftermath and hold > an "organizing meeting" to gather endorsements and support for a People's > Commision on 9-11. (If you can- please come- 7-10 pm, Thursday, December > 19th). > I went to an event last night organized by Not In Our Name and began my > outreach efforts. Kevin Danaher, of Global Exchange said that he would > urge Global Exchange to endorse our effort. I also spoke with other > groups/organizations/individuals attending the event and invited them to > come. Today I will also post the meeting on the indymedia site, send out > emails, make phone calls, and send out letters. I would like a copy of > Premilla's WILPF statement for the various organizations, but I still > don't have one (which is why I did write that synthesis last week- because > I need something to move forward and organize with). > I'm leaving the country Saturday for two weeks - and can do nothing > while gone. > My website has already signed on to the Ad-hoc Truth Alliance > statement that we are struggling to complete and get out to all the 9-11 > websites/researchers/activists. I do think we need to act and get out some > press release this week- particularly when the government obviously doesn't > have their act together- [ I just received a long brilliant email looking > at the Kissinger Commission debacle and latest tidbits- posted at > http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/ enter site- go to War Against > Terrorism Archive and click on 911 Cover-Up Wobbles - 15 Dec 2002.] > I do think that the real consciousness raising, organizing activity is > going on over the internet, but it is vital to manifest the tip of the > iceberg with real human events, meetings, books, magazines, documentaries, > demos, rallies, radio/television programs, public forums- it gives greater > weight to our words. (My banner, inspired by Ruppert and Jared Israel and > Chossudovsky- > > REAL TERRORISTS- > Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld... > Guilty of 9-11 you ask "why?" > Oil, Drugs, Power > > made the cover of the latest Global Outlook. Another 100,000 Deception > Dollars have been printed and can be disseminated. We can start organizing > premieres of Aftermath for January...) > > Carol 650-857-0927 > - > Aloha, He'Ping, > Om, Shalom, Salaam. > Em Hotep, Peace Be, > All My Relations. > Omnia Bona Bonis, > Adieu, Adios, Aloha. > Amen. > Roads End > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om > http://www
[CTRL] QQ: 2 new articles by Bob Feldman + Max Kolskegg "9/11 in Context"
-Caveat Lector- new at questionsquestions: 2 new articles by Bob Feldman -- TIME FOR FORD FOUNDATION AND CFR TO DIVEST? "Like MIT and Harvard University, the Ford Foundation and the Council on Foreign Relations [CFR] also may invest in Big Oil stock, U.S. war machine stock, and in the stock of U.S. corporations that do business under the Sharon regime in Israel/Palestine. One way to more effectively resist the U.S. Establishment's militaristic foreign policy might be to seriously demand that MIT, Harvard, the Ford Foundation and the Council on Foreign Relations divest themselves of their Big Oil, war machine and Israeli-linked corporate stockholdings." ... http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/ff_divest.html THE FORD FOUNDATION'S SKULL AND BONES LINK http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/ford_sb.html guest commentary and analysis: 9/11 IN CONTEXT: PLANS AND COUNTERPLANS by Max Kolskegg A challenging and unblinking discussion of the emerging "Global Fascist Terror State" written from a perspective supporting the anticapitalist movement (a term used by many in preference to the establishment's "antiglobalist" label). Kolskegg examines how neoliberal "state capitalism" faces crisis and failure, resulting in increasingly totalitarian governing tactics as a global class war reaches its end game, and how resistance is being stifled by an establishment-sponsored false opposition. In addition, a wealth of links and informational resources are provided for analysing and understanding the clandestine politics and deep networking of a parallel, covert elite power structure -- the "Secret Team" -- which has, over the span of decades, accomplished a gradual coup of the US government and now rules brazenly behind the hollow facade of a dead Republic. Questionsquestions is pleased to present Kolskegg's work with the hope of expanding debate and putting a wider range of ideas on the table at a crucial time. http://www.questionsquestions.net/kolskegg_911.html - note: If you do not wish to be included on further mailings, please email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.questionsquestions.net http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] QQ: Updates to Feldman's ALTERNATIVE MEDIA CENSORSHIP
-Caveat Lector- new at questionsquestions.net: UPDATES to ALTERNATIVE MEDIA CENSORSHIP: SPONSORED BY CIA's FORD FOUNDATION? by bob feldman, raising further important questions at a time when no-holds-barred, analytically rigorous antiwar news coverage is so critically needed. Several new sections have been added to the funding exposé, along with a three-part analysis of the Ford Foundation's background and role in US politics entitled FORD FOUNDATION, THE CIA & U.S. ESTABLISHMENT CONSPIRACY. http://www.questionsquestions.net/gatekeepers.html Part 1: PACIFICA / DEMOCRACY NOW / DEEP DISH TV http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/feldman01.html Part 2: FAIR / COUNTERSPIN / INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC ACCURACY / WORKING ASSETS RADIO http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/feldman02.html Part 3: THE NATION INSTITUTE / RADIO NATION / THE NATION MAGAZINE http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/feldman03.html Part 4: ALTERNATIVE RADIO / Z MAGAZINE / SOUTH END PRESS http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/feldman04.html Part 5: MOTHER JONES / FOUNDATION FOR NATIONAL PROGRESS http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/feldman05.html Part 6: PROGRESSIVE http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/feldman06.html Part 7: FORD FOUNDATION, THE CIA & U.S. ESTABLISHMENT CONSPIRACY part 1 http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/feldman07.html Part 8: FORD FOUNDATION, THE CIA & U.S. ESTABLISHMENT CONSPIRACY part 2 http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/feldman08.html Part 9: FORD FOUNDATION, THE CIA & U.S. ESTABLISHMENT CONSPIRACY part 3 http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/feldman09.html Part 10: POLITICAL RESEARCH ASSOCIATES' EDELMAN-BUNDY CONNECTION http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/feldman10.html The Ford Foundation's Skull and Bones Link http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/ford_sb.html commentary: Bob Feldman and Brian Salter reply to a reader http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs0209/0920_response.html - note: If you do not wish to be included on further mailings, please email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.questionsquestions.net http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] QQ: "Alternative" media paymasters: Carlyle, Alcoa, Xerox, Coca Cola...?
-Caveat Lector- new at questionsquestions.net: "Alternative" media paymasters: Carlyle, Alcoa, Xerox, Coca Cola...? by Brian Salter 30 September 2002 The Ford Foundation, historically closely linked to the CIA and the military-industrial-academic complex, has in recent years provided substantial funding grants to a number of "alternative" media organizations, such as FAIR, Progressive magazine, and Pacifica. Also participating in this type of funding are other elite foundations such as MacArthur, Soros, Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Schumann. General policy for grant-making at the Ford Foundation is handled by the Board of Trustees. Approval for all grants over $100,000 must be personally signed by Ford Foundation President Susan Berresford, who is also a member of David Rockefeller's Trilateral Commission and the Ford Foundation-subsidized Council on Foreign Relations Inc.. So, for example, a $150,000 grant to FAIR by the Ford Foundation in 2001 for "general support to monitor and analyze the performance of the news media in the United States" was approved directly by Trilateral Commission member Berresford, in accordance with the grantmaking policy guidelines established by the Ford Foundation Board of Trustees. Given the tremendous power that the Ford Foundation has historically wielded in influencing cultural, academic, and political affairs, one must ask, who makes up this board of directors whose policies the Ford Foundation president implements--and what interests do they represent? ~~~~~~~~~ Brian Salter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.questionsquestions.net ~ http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] QQ: Bob Feldman and Brian Salter reply to a reader
-Caveat Lector- new from questionsquestions: Bob Feldman and Brian Salter reply to a reader Hello, I saw and appreciated your essay on the foundational support for Left orgs and writers that dismiss anything that smacks of "conspiracism". However, while I share with you the idea that such orgs and writers should be critically evaluated, I do not think your evidence, specifically, against Noam Chomsky is all that weighty. You don't really present any evidence that Chomsky is a controlled person. You cite the Inamori award from the "Japanese Establishment", but that award was for his achievements in the area of linguistics and cognitive science, not his political writings. So what does the Inamori award have to do with anything? The award is somewhat akin to the various Nobel prizes. Also, you mentioned that Z magazine was perhaps named after the Costa-Gavras film "Z". My recollection is that Z magazine was originally named Zeta magazine, billing itself the last word, as it were, in political writing. When Sargent and Albert found out the name Zeta was already used by someone else, they opted for the abbreviated form, 'Z'. In any event, I fail to see how your charts, in general, necessarily predict control of the sort you claim. However, I am eager to examine more evidence of such if it exists. Thanks, WiseSerpent Bob Feldman replies: Thank you for considering some of the possible institutional/political reasons for censorship of 9/11 conspiracy journalists and researchers by the foundation-sponsored alternative media gatekeepers. Although MIT Profeor Chomsky has been on the payroll of the 12th-largest recipient of US Air Force war contracts in recent years, the article isn't asserting "that Chomsky is a controlled person." But there is evidence that Z magazine was unwilling to print an article about MIT's links to the U.S. Air Force's space warfare preparations and to the Pentagon's think-tank, the Institute for Defense Analyses, a few years ago. Regarding the $350,000 award from the Inamori Foundation that was set up by the chairman emeritus/founder of one of Japan's leading telecommunications companies, DDI Corporation, that was given to ALTERNATIVE RADIO's frequently featured guest: Generally, recipients of such large grants from Establishment foundations are reluctant to scrutinize or criticize a foundation world from which they've obtained such a large sums of money. And, like the Nobel prize money (that was initially obtained from Nobel's invention and marketing of dynamite weapons), some of the Inamori Foundation money was originally obtained from DDI's ownership of 75% of the AVX Coroporation--which is an electronic company that (like MIT) is a key contractor in the U.S. aerospace/military industry. Regarding evidence that the alternative media gatekeepers are reluctant to either air or publish criticism of the Soros/Open Society Institute, the Ford Foundation, Bill Moyers' Schumann Foundation or the MacArthur Foundation or encourage much fair of discussion of 9/11 conspiracy evidence in their media: I don't think much evidence exists of any foundation-sponsored gatekeeper eagerness to either scrutinize the Establishment foundations or welcome 9/11 conspiracy discussion. Yet as G. William Domhoff wrote long ago in his book Who Rules America?: "The foundation boards have the power to accept or reject various scientific, educational, and culture ventures. They therefore have the power to exert considerable influence over the noneconomic aspects of American life." Refusing to acknowledge that the multi-billion or multi-million dollar foundations possess great power to influence alternative media editorial priorities through their funding policies, seems like an illogical interpretation of current U.S. political/social reality. Brian Salter replies: To clarify, Mike Ruppert is of the opinion that the Left "gatekeepers" phenomenon to which we are drawing attention is the result of a classic COINTELPRO-style infiltration. Given his expertise and personal experience in this area, he is more than justified in voicing that opinion. In certain cases, the egregious and unconscionable behavior of some "Left" media figures literally begs the question -- but again, one should note that we have not made this type of claim, and the title of Feldman's article itself says "Sponsored by the Ford Foundation," not "Controlled by the Ford Foundation." The burden of proof is not on us to verify the existence of a formalized arrangement or quid pro quo in order to raise the issue of foundation funding of Left media as a crucial concern. Instead, the burden of proof is on those who receive f
[CTRL] Alternative Media Censorship: Sponsored by CIA's Ford Foundation?
-Caveat Lector- new at questionsquestions.net: - ALTERNATIVE MEDIA CENSORSHIP: SPONSORED BY CIA's FORD FOUNDATION? by bob feldman The multi-billion dollar Ford Foundation's historic relationship to the Central Intelligence Agency [CIA] is rarely mentioned on Pacifica's DEMOCRACY NOW / Deep Dish TV show, on FAIR's COUNTERSPIN show, on the WORKING ASSETS RADIO show, on The Nation Institute's RADIO NATION show, on David Barsamian's ALTERNATIVE RADIO show or in the pages of PROGRESSIVE, MOTHER JONES and Z magazine. One reason may be because the Ford Foundation and other Establishment foundations subsidize the Establishment Left's alternative media gatekeepers / censors. Parts 1-4: PACIFICA / DEMOCRACY NOW / DEEP DISH TV / FAIR / COUNTERSPIN / INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC ACCURACY / WORKING ASSETS RADIO / THE NATION INSTITUTE / RADIO NATION / THE NATION MAGAZINE / ALTERNATIVE RADIO / Z MAGAZINE / SOUTH END PRESS http://www.questionsquestions.net/gatekeepers.html "The mass-circulation weekly TEMPO accused Ford of having once played, at the urging of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, a covert role in Indonesian political affairs by consciously supporting the work of individuals who were deemed to be sympathetic to the anti-communist aims of American foreign policy." --Chronicle of Philanthropy, 12/13/01 "The Ford Foundation's history of collaboration and interlock with the CIA in pursuit of U.S. world hegemony is now a well-documented fact...The Ford Foundation has in some ways refined their style of collaboration with Washington's attempt to produce world cultural domination, but retained the substance of that policy...The ties between the top officials of the Ford Foundation and the U.S. government are explicit and continuing." --James Petras in "The Ford Foundation and the CIA: A documented case of philanthropic collaboration with the Secret Police" on 12/15/2001 - http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How did he do that?
-Caveat Lector- word to the wise: i wouldn't try saying that around any brits... it's not incorrect, they actually spell it like that! ;) http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=aluminium - It may well be but it's as incorrect as calling aluminum, al-you-min-ee-um. Seems like an educational deficiency to me. - ~~~~~ Brian Salter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.questionsquestions.net ~ http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Zionists
-Caveat Lector- interesting, i hadn't thought about the blacking out issue. isn't it true that jet fighter pilots wear special flight suits of some kind that help prevent blood from rushing to the lower body in high-g maneuvers? and if a pilot is not wearing such a suit he will pass out? what is the threshhold for guaranteed fainting & black-out? if there are any military pilots on the list i'm curious to hear the scoop on this... btw i've heard the figures for the high-g turn of flight 77 here and there, but does anyone know where to find the calculations for this? thanks, brian -- They were unusually gifted pilots since the planes that hit the WTC towers were pulling 3Gs and the plane that executed a 270 degree turn while descending towards the Pentagra^H^Hon was pulling 5Gs... why, it's remarkable that the pilots didn't black out under those conditions. If I didn't know better, I'd imagine that the planes were being remotely controlled... ~~~~~ Brian Salter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.questionsquestions.net ~ http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] F-16s Pursue Unknown Craft Over Capitol
-Caveat Lector- bizarre -- this incident marked the 50th anniversary, TO THE DAY, of the second of the two famous and massive UFO sightings over Washington D.C. the original events were July 19/20 and July 26, 1952. <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8131-2002Jul26.html>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8131-2002Jul26.html ~~~~~ Brian Salter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.questionsquestions.net ~ http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NSA FTL Communications
-Caveat Lector- interesting! recently i've come across two similar types of claims that i haven't yet had time to research further. do you have any info or comments on these? 1. the NSA has deployed (or is developing?) FTL satellite communications based on some application of quantum entanglement, theoretically 100% secure and un-interceptible? 2. richard boylan's claim about a certain raytheon 'little ear' satellite which uses a particle beam technology to eavesdrop on conversations (the actual audible sound, not electronic transmissions) from space. >-Caveat Lector- > >A source has stated that the NSA has technology based on concepts of >Tesla that >allows for faster than lightspeed communications, so that the delays in the >satellite transmissions from a location like Afghanistan or the Middle East, >can be eliminated, allowing for blocking of parts or all communications from a >certain target. It is possible that this technology was used on the cell phone >call from Arafat being broadcast now on CNN. > >Steve > > >"In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace >and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation >plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being >transformed before our very eyes." -- ~~~ Brian Salter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ruppert Takes AlterNet to Task - re: When 9/11 Conspiracies Go Bad
Title: Re: [CTRL] Ruppert Takes AlterNet to Task - re: When 9 there's a discussion thread that i started in the alternet forum about ruppert's rebuttal. the response was generally positive in ruppert's favor, at least in the sense that corn went too far, even if people were on the fence about ruppert's ideas... however there were a few people who expressed the typical old-school leftist knee-jerk disdain for conspiracy theory. something i've been contemplating a lot lately. if anyone's interested, here's a new essay i just wrote inspired by that topic and the corn/ruppert incident: And Now, Will the Real Skeptic Please Stand Up? http://www.mindspring.com/~briansalter/questions/real_skeptic.html -- ~~~~~~~ Brian Salter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~
[CTRL] transcript: alex jones interview with greg palast
to charge 75% interest in the United States. That's loan-sharking. AJ: Part 3 and Part 4. What do they do after they do that? GP: Like I said, you open up the borders for trade, that's the new opium wars. And once you have destroyed an economy that can't produce anything, one of the terrible things is that they are forcing nations to pay horrendous amounts for things like drugs - legal drugs. And by the way, that's how you end up with an illegal drug trade, what's there left to survive on except sell us smack and crack and that's how... AJ: And the same CIA national security dictatorship has been caught shipping that in. GP: You know, we are just helping our allies. AJ: This is just amazing. And so, drive the whole world down, blow out their economies and then buy the rest of it up for pennies on the dollar. What's Part 4 of the IMF/World Bank Plan? GP: Well, in Part 4, you end up again with the taking apart of the government. And by the way, the real Part 4 is the coup d'etat. That's what they are not telling you. And I'm just finding that out in Venezuela. I just got a call from the President of Venezuela. AJ: And they install their own corporate government. GP: What they said was here you've got an elected president of the government and the IMF has announced, listen to this, that they would support a transition government if the president were removed. They are not saying that they are going to get involved in politics - they would just support a transition government. What that effectively is is saying we will pay for the coup d'etat, if the military overthrows the current president, because the current president of Venezuela has said no to the IMF. He told those guys to go packing. They brought their teams in and said you have to do this and that. And he said, I don't have to do nothing. He said what I'm going to do is, I'm going to double the taxes on oil corporations because we have a whole lot of oil in Venezuela. And I'm going to double the taxes on oil corporations and then I will have all the money I need for social programs and the government - and we will be a very rich nation. Well, as soon as they did that, they started fomenting trouble with the military and I'm telling you watch this space: the President of Venezuela will be out of office in three months or shot dead. They are not going to allow him to raise taxes on the oil companies. AJ: Greg Palast, here is the problem. You said it when you first came out of the gates. They are getting hungry, they are doing it to the United States now. Enron, from all the evidence that I've seen was a front, another shill, they would steal assets and then transfer it to other older global companies, then they blew that out and stole the pension funds. Now they are telling us that terrorism is coming any day. It's going to happen if you don't give your rights up. Bush did not involve Congress and the others who are supposed to be in the accession if there is a nuclear attack in the secret government, Washington Post -"Congress Not Advised of Shadow Government." We have the Speaker of the House not being told. This looks like coup d'etat here. I'm going to come right out with it. We had better spread the word on this now or these greedy creatures are going to go all the way. GP: I'm very sad about one thing. I report this story in the main stream press of Britain. I'm on the BBC despite Lord Wakeham. I know he doesn't like me there. I'm in the BBC, I'm in the main daily paper, which is the equivalent of the New York Times or whatever, and we do get the information out. And I'm just very sorry that we have to have an alternative press, an alternative radio network and everything else to get out the information that makes any sense. I mean this information should be available to every American. I mean, after all, it's our government. CopyrightÝ Alex Jones Radio Show, 2002. Reprinted for Fair use only. The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/PAL203A.html -- ~~~ Brian Salter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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[CTRL] Fwd: [prj] [****] Democracy As Tyranny (review of Democracy: The God That Failed)
and heirs. The anarcho-socialist vision of >decentralized communes and federations of workers' syndicates >implies that the communes and syndicates will be the collectively >owned private property of the workers and communities. Presumably, >these units would be able to establish whatever types of internal >rules and regulations they wished and exclude those who did not >comply or who were not wanted. The same would obviously be true of >the privately owned institutions such as schools or businesses >that are favored by free-market libertarians. In an anarchist >system, there would be no federal regulatory bureaucracy enforcing >"civil rights", "anti-discrimination" or other forms of >egalitarian legislation. Consequently, private communities >controlled by the Nation of Islam would be able to exclude whites >and Jews, businesses controlled by the Aryan Nations would be able >to exclude blacks and Jews, Christian educational institutions >would be able to exclude homosexuals and atheists, Jewish >institutions would exclude Nazis and so on. Landlords could refuse >to rent to tenants whose looks they did not like and employers >could "discriminate" on any basis they desired. Even if the >anarcho-socialist vision of an economy where all rental housing >and industry is owned cooperatively by the tenants and workers was >to be fully implemented, it is likely that Jewish housing >cooperatives would deny admittance to raving anti-Semites and that >workers cooperatives would refuse to take in lazy, obnoxious >parasites. All of this would be perfectly "legal" and permissible >in an anarchist order unless some higher political authority said >otherwise in which case the state would have re-emerged. > >Hoppe argues that the level of discrimination would increase >markedly in a stateless society. Libertarians have often been >perplexed by the question of "authoritarian cultures". What about >those people and groups that simply do not desire liberty for >either themselves or others? The venerable anarchist tradition of >decentralization represents the best way out of this dilemma. In a >system of small, localized, self-managed communities, persons who >chafed under the norms of their community of origin would be able >to migrate towards an environment that was hopefully more >hospitable. Migration as a seriously viable option has long been >demonstrated to be the best protector of individual liberty rather >than centralized governments and state courts enforcing legislated >"civil rights", "due process", "constitutional rights" and other >arbitrary and vaguely defined concepts that are easily ignored or >repealed. > >The utility of decentralization also gives additional weight to >Hoppe's preferred strategy of revolution by secession of small >groups. The best bet for smashing Leviathan seems to be the >building of separatist movements at the local and regional level. >There are already a good number of small but growing groups of >this type in the United States-the League of the South, Republic >of Texas, the New England Confederation, Alaskan Independence >Party, the Green Panthers and others. If these and other groups of >this type were to grow and begin supporting one another a full-on >assault on the state would be underway. These movements could >support one another even when they are geographically separated or >even ideologically opposed. In the southern states, for example, >rural conservatives and populists could agitate for "states' >rights" or "county supremacy" while black nationalists and >separatists could demand separate municipalities for predominately >black communities in urban areas. Anarcho-socialists in Vermont or >Oregon could align themselves with lassez faireists in Kansas or >Texas. Small town Christian fundamentalists could align themselves >with anarcha-feminist lesbian separatists in San Francisco. Most >of the decentralist, libertarian and anti-state groups in the U.S. >have yet to consider the opportunities that such alliances might >generate. The rallying cry should be "Secessionists Unite!". After >all, this is what made the first American Revolution. 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[CTRL] Fwd: ENRONITIS - A COMMUNICABLE DISEASE
seeing a domino effect with Enron and Global Crossing only the beginning. There may never be a full accounting as to how much money Enron and others raised through these practices. One aspect of the problem the media is avoiding like the plague is the possibility of money laundering for nefarious purposes other that personal enrichment. The labyrinth of several thousand companies scattered around the globe is a money launderer's dream and a law enforcement nightmare. Permission is granted to reproduce this article in its entirety. The author is a free lance writer based in Romulus, Michigan. He is a former newspaper editor and investigative reporter, a retired customs administrator and accountant, and a student of history and the U.S. Constitution. If you would like to receive Medium Rare articles directly, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Although not necessary, we would appreciate an indication of the city and/or state or country (If outside the USA) in which you are located to give us an idea as to where our articles are being received. -- ~~~ Brian Salter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~
Re: [CTRL] John McCain, Traitor
-Caveat Lector- i understand what you're getting at; there are plenty of posts that are more or less partisan propaganda but may contain some unusual bits of info that are useful or informative. i'm totally open minded if i'm learning something new, and i always take time to scan through all posts to see if there is something there. but i would assume that everyone is smart enough to keep up on news that is easily available through mainstream channels? anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows by now what john mccain's stance is on campaign financing legislation. so, i didn't see the post in question as offering anything informative at all, only hardcore propaganda. no dots. however, if there is an interesting, well articulated, and factually detailed argument to be made that mccain is an NWO socialist, i would be fascinated to hear it! that would be the kind of thing i joined this list for. -brian >-Caveat Lector- > >On 27 Feb 2002 at 17:18, Brian Salter wrote: > >> may i ask, what does this have to do with conspiracy theory research? > >We play this little game here called "connect the dots". The Secret >to the game is to >get dots. Now, on some topix there might be a lot of dots and on >others there may >be only a few. And some dots are just for fun. But we try to make >the pictures come >out nontheless. > -- ~~~ Brian Salter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] John McCain, Traitor
-Caveat Lector- may i ask, what does this have to do with conspiracy theory research? -b >-Caveat Lector- > >http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2001/april/rwt_mccain.htm > >WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! > >John McCain, Traitor >By Robert Tracinski (April 2, 2001) >[CAPITALISMMAGAZINE.COM] It is time to put the John McCain myth to rest. > >For years, the national media and a gullible grass-roots following have >glorified McCain as a man of integrity who deals in "straight talk." They >have promoted his image as a hero who fought bravely for his country in >Vietnam and who is now fighting to save politics from corruption by special >interests. -- ~~~ Brian Salter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] new 9/11 web site
-Caveat Lector- please have a look at a new 9/11 site that i've been working on. probably not any new info for anyone here; i'm attempting to present what's already known in a more accessible form to reach a general audience. i'd be interested to hear some feedback & have you conspiracy heads pick it apart before i pull out the publicity blitz! http://www.mindspring.com/~briansalter/questions thanks!! -brian ps: in the future i intend to branch out into more subjects with this site. if anyone has interest in collaborating, feel free to drop me a line. -- ~~~~~~~ Brian Salter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Red (Chinese) Dawn
-Caveat Lector- thanks for the interesting ideas... actually i hadn't actually meant to imply that the chinese are pursuing something other than a communist ideology, but that if they are in cahoots with the NWO elements here it may be a "mutual benefit" situation. by the way, i use the term 'fascist' not in specific reference to neo-nazi extremists but instead in the sense of the classic definition: a marriage between an authoritarian state and a central concentration of corporate power. this is basically where the US has arrived; our system has already fallen. if we have to face a communist onslaught as well, then that's even more grim! of course, it gets murky when one considers the US elites who supported both fascism and communism simultaneously during parts of the 20th century... i think it's also important to dispel the old myth that capitalism and communism are inherently at odds (economically speaking that is). just cold war propaganda. i'm recalling an old political cartoon from the turn of the 20th century (reproduced in the gurudas book) which shows karl marx shaking hands with an adulating crowd of wall st. bigwigs. and also, there are those who argue that communism is just capitalism taken to the ultimate extreme. in communism, the state monopolizes the means of production... here in the US, the supercapitalist corporate elite monopolize the means of production... but in the wake of enron, it's obvious that the corporate elite pretty much _are_ the state, so...are things really so distinct?? if there is a revived communist conspiracy involving china and russia, is it really motivated by ideology, or by geopolitics? since the western globalists were behind the creation of both communism and fascism, perhaps the NWO state would wind up with elements of both? i'll admit, i'm not an expert in these matters, but my gut instinct is to believe those who say that the NWO elites are more practical and opportunistic than ideological. on a completely different topic, what might be the meaning behind the israel-china relationship in regards to the NWO? -b >-Caveat Lector- > >BF>It is very confusing. As far as Skolnick is concerned, I can't >quite figure >him out. Ther are many possibilities. One is that China is neo-fascist, not >communist, and thus an ally of Nazi forces here at home. "Zionism >is racism" was >pioneered by Maoist China. The Arabs were always canon fodder for >the Europeans >and others playing geo-politics, as well as their own tyrannies that >did not want >a pluralistic society with liberated women and Trotskyists possibly >influencing >their slaves...I mean, uh, their subjects...in the wrong way. OK, >in any case, >China may be neo-fascist, and plotting with extreme right-wing >forces here in a >take over. > China may also be plotting with the New World Order. Springmeier seems to >suggest that the hidden blood-lines have some kind of admiration for >the Chinese >(well, he's not exactly consistent on that point. Perhaps there is a cleavage >betwee the celtic northern Chinese and the other Chiense that enters in here). >It could be that the Merovingian blood-lines want to interbreed with certain >select Asian blood-lines. In this scenerio, China is also neo-fascist and >anti-communist, but in a whole different way. > The other scenerio is that China is, in fact, working in league with an >international communist conspiracy of some kind. "Pravda" seems to >have renewed >respectability, among a very surprising set of adherents. It could be that >American boys are being corrupted by Communist agents, just as old fascist Joe >was saying. It is not impossible. Conspiracies exist. Why not >Communist ones? > The other possibility is that the whole "China" thing is manufactured. It >may be a decoy. I tend not to believe this scenerio, for various >reasons I will >not explore here. > Happy sleuthing, > Bates > -- ~~~ Brian Salter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as al
Re: [CTRL] Red (Chinese) Dawn
-Caveat Lector- i'm not sure exactly what to make of it either, but the china-coddling roots of the rockefeller / bush / clinton cabal run very deep, of course. don't forget another possibility: are the chinese being set up to do the dirty work for an NWO takeover whose conspirators are largely domestic in origin? this would be a good strategy in that even if it starts to be revealed, it keeps many americans partially barking up the wrong tree, reviving a knee-jerk cold war mindset that makes the right wing see what they want to see: an external commie threat, while being blind to the real perps, the neo-fascists here at home preparing to take the reins after the designated foreign thugs have done their part. just a speculation... btw, any opinions on skolnick's bush-clinton-china info? i've been digging into that lately... > >BF>Where was Adler before? I have been seeing this for some time. Here in >California infiltration is very apparent. My one caveat is that I >am stuck between >two theories. One is that the Chinese are infiltrating a Western >NWO. The other >is that the Chinese are simply a pawn of something beyond them. I >cannot answer >this one, but what I can say is that it appears as though China is >going to stand >while the United States is imploded, unless things change quickly. > Bates > -- ~~~ Brian Salter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
