[CTRL] TWA Flight 800/Friendly Fire/Sanders/Pilger
-Caveat Lector- Hi All, TWA Flight 800 was shot down by the US Navy who were out on manouveurs that day-end of story. If anyone is interested in reading my 5,000 word footnoted article that was published last year in Clamor and Lobster, please let me know. Jim Sanders said it was excellent and John Pilger also congratulated me saying it was ...fine journalism. Thanks. Gavin. --- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/19/2002 12:00:37 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The jury is in on TWA Flight 800, and the verdict is clear: There is absolutely no evidence of either a mechanical failure, or of a bomb planted in the fuselage. Indeed, all available evidence suggests the explosive event that destroyed the ill-fated airliner in 1996 was caused by a terrorist group called the Islamic Change Movement. Oh bullshit. Give me a break. Bill. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Firefighter's Son-please forward!
-Caveat Lector- I signed and forwarded before. Please do the same. Thanks. Gavin. This is from a 14 year old boy who lost his father on Sept. 11th. He's got a really great idea. Before you delete this and forget about it, just remember this kid who doesn't have a father. All you're asked to do is type, point and click...think about what his father was asked to do. /=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=//=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=//=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/ Message From Connor Geraghty /=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=//=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=//=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/=/ I lost my Dad on September 11th; he was Chief Edward Geraghty, Battalion 9, New York City Fire Department. He lost his life with many other heroes that day, victims of the terrorists. Firefighters from all over have come to the aid and rescue of the tragedy in New York and Washington, D.C. Many firefighters have lost their lives to save someone else's; the truth of the matter is, they do this every single day. They truly are heroes. I know many people feel helpless, especially those who live far from NYC and D.C. We all want to do something to show our appreciation, our support. I think we can... In honor of the bravery, courage and determination of American firefighters, there should be a day in our nation to celebrate and appreciate their handwork and never - ending passion for saving lives. I think we should honor all those other heroes who still live today. I'm starting a petition for a National Firefighters Day. Will you help make every September 11th National Firefighters Day? Please join me! Thank you. Connor Geraghty, age 14, Rockville Center, New York (I Love u,DAD!!) PS When this list reaches 25 names, please send it back to me at: Connor Geraghty mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Instructions: to add your name, click forward, add your name at the bottom of the list. Send it to all you know. OR...COPY AND PASTE INTO A NEW EMAILADD YOUR NAME. 1. Connor Geraghty, Rockville Centre, NY (I Love u DAD!!) 2. Carla Smith, Dallas, TX 3. BC Billy Goldfeder-Loveland-Symmes Fire Department, Ohio 4. F/F Lewis Unger, Roslyn Highlands FD, Roslyn Hts., NY 5. Andrea Madison, Bellmore, NY 6. Jo-Anne Unger, Levittown, NY 11756 7. Karen Holmgaard, Rockville Centre, NY 8. NoraFrankMonteforte,RockvilleCentre,NY 9. Ellie Ivory Ocala, Florida 34476 1. Laurie Comen, Centerport, NY 11. Clare Cassara, North Bellmore, NY 1171 12. Roseann Epp, Malverne, NY 11565 13. Christine Bavaro, Lynbrook NY 11563 14. Ellen Lessman, Plainview NY 1183 15. Debby Maerhofer, Mineola, NY 1151 16. Debra L. Abercrombie, Montrose, AL 17. Kristine Meichtry, Allentown, PA 18. Andrea Duncliffe, Lynbrook, NY 11563 19. Elizabeth Safdieh, Merrick NY 11566 2. Kristin King, Rockville Centre, NY 1157 21. Maggie Curran, Rockville Centre, NY 1157 22.
[CTRL] Washington Post:9.11:No Smoking Gun
-Caveat Lector- No there was not a single smoking gun, but over a dozen. Here comes the whitewash. Gavin. Panel Finds No 'Smoking Gun' in Probe of 9/11 Intelligence Failures By Dana Priest and Juliet Eilperin Washington Post Staff Writers Thursday, July 11, 2002; Page A01 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52296-2002Jul10.html After six months of culling through intelligence files and nearly a dozen closed-door hearings, the House-Senate intelligence committee investigating the Sept. 11 attacks has uncovered no single piece of information that, if properly analyzed, could have prevented the disaster, according to members of the panel. As far as I know, there is no smoking gun, Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.), a member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, said yesterday. Without any evidence pointing to a single intelligence breakdown, the panel has turned to the broader task of identifying and fixing more systemic weaknesses within the country's $30 billion intelligence system, members said. The shift in focus constitutes a significant evolution for a committee that formed this year amid expectations it would uncover damaging evidence of intelligence missteps that would prove potentially embarrassing to the Bush administration. Instead, it now seems unlikely that the administration, or any senior official in the intelligence community, will be held accountable for failing to prevent the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. We've spent the first couple of weeks on where we've been, Bayh said. Now we need to pivot and focus on where we need to go. I hope we're in the process of shifting from a place where people were looking to assign blame and instead focusing on systemic problems and improvements. Some committee members cautioned that the investigation is not over and that some revealing memo, cable or intercept could still be uncovered. It would be nice to find a smoking gun, said Sen. Richard C. Shelby (Ala.), the ranking Republican on the Senate panel who has been a fierce critic of CIA Director George J. Tenet. But absent that, we're looking for problems that need to be solved. Shelby said he still expects to find a lot of pieces of information that, had they been correlated, analyzed and disseminated, you could have had a different outcome. Just a month ago, the CIA, the FBI, the National Security Agency and other intelligence agencies were reeling from a series of revelations of apparent pre-Sept. 11 blunders. There was the disclosure that FBI headquarters had not acted on a request by the bureau's Phoenix field office for an investigation into whether terrorists were potentially training at U.S. flight schools. Then there was the revelation that President Bush had been briefed in August about possible attacks by al Qaeda in the United States that included the prospect of hijacking commercial airliners. That report was followed by the disclosure that FBI headquarters had blocked a request from the Minneapolis field office for a search of the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker who was arrested a month before the September attacks. And there was a subsequent revelation that the NSA, the nation's premier eavesdropping agency, had intercepted two Arabic conversations on Sept. 10 with imprecise warnings that something significant would happen the following day but did not translate them until Sept. 12. These revelations suggest the government missed some important clues that could have led officials to focus more of their
[CTRL] HardTruth/Wake Up America Site Update
-Caveat Lector- A little naive here, Folks, I have no intention of using my full name or supply an address to any and all who would seek to silence me or place any of my family and friends in any jeopardy. The use of credit cards leaves a paper trail straight to your front door. He pays his ISP most probably with a credit card. They can easily track you through e-mails. If they want to find you they will.Gavin. --- InfoWarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many have wondered why the HardTruth/Wake Up America web site has been down. I have just received this note, in response to my inquiry, from the owner/webmaster of the HardTruth/Wake Up America website http://hardtruth.topcities.com/wake_up_america.html and he has asked me to pass this on. -InfoWarz -- To Whom it may concern: Hard Truth Wake Up America has been removed from the Internet once again. This makes the third time this site has been removed. Topcities claimed my traffic exceeded the free allotted monthly amount. This may be true, however I started receiving many emails that the site was being blocked from many parts of the world before the removal of Hard Truth from topcities. In their defense, Topcities sent an email giving me three days to upgrade my site by using a credit card to pay for upgraded services which they claimed they would have let Hard Truth remain. Unfortunately I was in the middle of an out of state move and career change and the three days was up before I checked my email. Topcities shut down Hard Truth in mid-day, not allowing me to upload any other info or explanation to my readers as to the plight of Hard Truth. Essentially, Hard Truth was held hostage for money and a billing address. In major disgust and disappointment I had not checked my email in about three weeks. Folks, I have no intention of using my full name or supply an address to any and all who would seek to silence me or place any of my family and friends in any jeopardy. The use of credit cards leaves a paper trail straight to your front door. Flooded with emails with concern and worry I have decided to respond with this letter of explanation. I apologize to those who have been unduly concerned as to my plight. When I started Hard Truth / Wake Up America, after the first removal I decided no matter how many times I was removed I would come back full force with twice the effort. This is still the case. Hard Truth will be back. For three years all of my spare time has been put into the site. After a much needed rest, Hard Truth will be back hopefully in three to six months. I will not be silenced!! Please pass this info on. May God bless and protect you and yours. Robert Howard -end of note- --- -InfoWarz It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen to set brush fires in people's minds... - Samuel Adams, Father of the American Revolution __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Keep the Drug Money Coming
-Caveat Lector- http://www.economist.com/world/africa/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1034972 What the Taliban banned Mar 14th 2002 | ZAHEDAN From The Economist print edition With the Taliban toppled, Afghan opium is flooding Iran Get article background FROM the point of view of their Iranian neighbours, the Taliban did two good things. Their leader, Mullah Omar, banned the cultivation of opium poppies, and he enforced that ban brutally. Iran's leaders much prefer Afghanistan's new interim prime minister, Hamid Karzai, to his iron-fisted predecessor, but wish he was tougher on drugs. Although Mr Karzai has banned both poppy-growing and drug-trafficking, he cannot stop the trade. What the Afghans grow, Iranians smoke or inject. At least 2m Iranians are addicted to opium and its derivatives, morphine and heroin. Mr Omar's ban may have been a cynical ploy to win diplomatic recognition, but it caused production to plummet and the price of opium to quadruple in a few months. Impoverished Iranian addicts suddenly applied in record numbers for help in kicking the habit. Overcoming its revulsion for the Taliban, Iran sent experts to Helmand, Afghanistan's main poppy-producing province, to encourage farmers to grow other crops. All this happened at a time when Iran's domestic drugs policy was becoming more open and effective. Muhammad Falah, the man in charge, encouraged non-governmental organisations to set up rehabilitation clinics, spoke out against the mass imprisonment of drug addicts, and even argued for the distribution of clean syringes in jails. Such ideas were unthinkable in the bad old days, when the government's aim was to disguise the problem. America attacked Afghanistan last year at poppy-planting time. Farmers in Helmand took advantage of the Taliban's disarray to sow 35,000 hectares (86,000 acres) with poppies and the UN expects this year's harvest to be almost as bountiful as the bumper years of the late 1990s. The local warlords, who probably profit from the trade, pay little heed to Mr Karzai or his police. Poppies sprout fast: a first crop will be harvested by the end of April; a second will be ready in June. Iran has strengthened security along a border already crawling with soldiers and paralleled by immense trenches, impassable even by a self-navigating camel with a bellyful of drugs. In two weeks earlier this year, the security forces in the border province of Sistan-Baluchistan seized six tons of drugs and killed, they say, 90 smugglers. Mehdi Morassaie, the province's anti-drugs supremo, hopes to keep prices high. In the main market in Zahedan, the provincial capital, opium is still relatively expensive, at $750 a kilo. But in Tehran, where the stuff usually costs far more, the price has fallen from $2,000 a kilo last November to around $1,300. After the harvest, prices will surely fall further. Iran's leaders are understandably frustrated. After helping bring Mr Karzai to power, they now have less influence over the Afghan drug industry than before. Muhammad Khatami, Iran's president, says he wants to carry on helping with crop substitution, but the warlords of southern Afghanistan are not interested. Nor is America. An Iranian official laments that America's new chumminess with Afghan warlords may preclude a serious effort to crush the trade on which they depend. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
[CTRL] Vision TV Great Deception series on Video
-Caveat Lector- The Canadian TV show, Vision TV Insight: Mediafile with Barrie Zwicker have released a 40 minute video of this series for $29.95. Each program must be only about 7 minutes long as all six are supposedly on it. I'll still probably anty up though. Gavin. http://www.viewerplus.com/product.asp?ID=12043 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Raisethefist.com Raided by Feds
-Caveat Lector- http://ontario.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=6610group=webcast A young man tentatively identified only as Sherman founded, hosted and ran the alternative media website called raisethefist.com. Raisethefist had many similarities to indymedia.com and was accurately described as a younger and angrier inymedia by one post on that site. A diversity of subjects including anarchism, activism, and current events not reported by mainstream media or even what passes as alternative media were reported and commented on in an open publishing format available to the public. On January 24, 2002 approximately 25-30 individuals, mostly federal agents, but also LAPD, and LA Sherriffs Dept personnel according to one source, raided the raisethefist.com founder's home fully armed, confiscated some of his property and shut down the site along with the newly opened, laanrchists.org site that he also recently created. Another post at sfindymedia confirmed that one of the reasons for the raid was that Sherman posted pictures of undercover agents at indymedia so that protesters and activists could identify them. An anonymous post indicated that in fact his home was ransacked and all cds, equipment, disks, and political literature were confiscated until further notice. Previous communications indicated that the FBI, police department, NSA continously monitored the site as well as government agencies from the UK, Canada, Latvia, Belgium, Egypt, Finland, and Australia. The author of this article and accompanying cartoon has experienced peculiar difficulties in both accessing the site and recieved constant mailer daemon error messages when trying to coorespond with either raisethefist.com or laanarchists.org. Also, some of the content of those sites was evidently blocked by some unexplained technical difficulties. According to posts on indymedia close to the sorce the FBI has intercepted packets going through the DSL line hosting the site before. This quote was posted presumabley from someone close to the source; It's not yet known at this point if the site will be back(ed) up. As of now, we have nothing. No more servers, no more network, nothing. My room remains completly ransacked. My neighbors remain shaken up by what happend. I most likely won't be getting any of the equipment back. They also took alot of my political litature. Apparently, they're excuse for shutting it down was the 'militancy' portrayed on the site. This is not true. This was an excuse. This same 'militancy' they were concerned about is portrayed on at least a thousand other web sites across the internet, and they havn't been touched by the federal government, with the exception for remote monitering. Raisethefist.com was progresive. It was going somewhere. Kids started creating clubs in their schools called 'RaisetheFist'. People started utilizing the collective as a powerful resource for the activist/anarchist community. The federal government has been investigating me, and the site very closely, long before 9-11, and long before such militancy was even portrayed on the site. They knew the site had potential, that it was turning into something more than a site, but a strong collective utilized by activists throughout the world committed to social justice. And that's become a crime. Justice has become a crime. Freedom has become a crime. Anyone activly disagreeing with policies of the U.S is now automaticly rendered a terrorist in the eyes of national security Where raisethefist.com will go from here, I don't know. Based on what i've been told, i'll most likely be in jail, so most of my focus will be towards getting an attorney. The Thursday January 24th raid took place at approximately 4pm and a 25 page search warrant was served based on charges of computer fraud and abuse and distribution of information related to explosives, destructive devices, and/or weapons of mass destruction. Cheryl Mimura, FBI spokesperson from the Los Angeles Field Office, when asked about the raid merely responded that it was shut down. The Los Angeles Joint Task Force
[CTRL] FreeRepublic Becomes CensoredRepublic
-Caveat Lector- Hello, You maybe interested in the rampant censorship that Jim Robinson is conducting on FreeRepublic.com. Around November 20th he removed an article I posted (truth4all), Rise of The Fourth Reich by What Really Happened. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/reich.html This piece has nothing to do with Nazi hate material. It points out disturbing parallels between 1930's Germany and the U.S. today. I emailed Jim about censoring this article and his reply was Please do not post b/s like this to FR. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and let it go. But then Jim deleted another article on December 18th, The Best Enemies Money Can Buy by Michael C. Ruppert. http://www.copvcia.com/stories/oct_2001/carlyle.html This is a very good article that traces the Bush family's ties to Hitler, Bush seniors arming of Saddam Hussein and the financial conflicts with defence contractors the Carlyle Group and Osama bin Laden, amongst other observations. The article is a little too long in my opinion but very well researched and referenced. I wrote to Jim again pointing out that his written goals and posting guidelines say in part, Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government. If these are not your goals, you may find another discussion site more suitable. Free Republic expects users to follow a few simple posting guidelines (described below) and by posting to the forum you and others agree to abide by them. While Free Republic is not edited or censored, it does reserve the right to remove any postings that are considered inappropriate. Examples of inappropriate posts are those that are off-subject or contain advertising, pornography, obscene material, racist material, Nazi (or other hate group) material, materials promoting violence, threats or illegal acts, etc. There is no advertising, pornography, obscene material, racist material, Nazi (or other hate group) material, materials promoting violence, threats or illegal acts, ... in either of those posts, so he is censoring material he doesn't agree with. As I wrote to Jim, he supposedly reveres our First Amendment but is now eviscerating it with his censorship of information and opinions that do not serve his political agenda. Worse, people do not know that it is going on and that they are being deceived by a Judas goat. Like all censors, he does not give the people he has gagged any recourse for debate; a most cowardly and odious deed. Jim's reply was The Michael C. Ruppert crap is nothing but leftist propaganda and if I don't like his decisions I should move on. It surprises me that someone supposedly as politically savvy as Jim would resort to this extremely simplistic cliche, insisting that if you think an article by a left wing publication (his definition) is good then you are a communist. And like many assumptions, he is totally wrong. Communism is a worthless ideology that has always failed and is responsible for tens of millions more dead than fascism. Either Jim did not read the article or didn't like the facts presented because it most certainly is not propaganda. In any case, that is his opinion, but he stopped anybody else from having an opinion by censoring it and that I cannot abide. I will not be posting anything further to a forum that is operating under a lie and is censored according to Jim's political viewpoint. This also raises the question of exactly how many articles have been spiked that I know nothing about. Just passing the word along. Also, What Really Happened http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ has a story about Jim Robinson admitting that he's only interested in pro-war articles. He has obviously completely lost it, he's shown his true colors, an egotistical tyrant ramming his dogma down everybody's throat. It will not take long for people to realize what a sham CensoredRepublic has become. Happy New Year everybody. Regards, Gavin Phillips. The Cancer Racket __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
[CTRL] Happy Holidays to All
-Caveat Lector- Have a holly jolly Christmas, it's the best time of the year.. Have a great one. Gavin. The Cancer Racket http://www.cancerinform.freewebsites.com/cancerart.html --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- The best of the seasons to one and all. May your hearth and home be warm with family and friendship. Blessings, Amen. Om K - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 3700 Civilian Casualties?
-Caveat Lector- The Independent's Robert Fisk also referred to thousands of Afghan civilians killed in the bombings. Gavin. Prof. Marc Herold reveals the number of civilian casualties killed in the US bombing of Afghanistan to be over 3700. http://www.democracynow.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 15 Yr Old Suspended for Anti-War T-Shirt
-Caveat Lector- Katie Sierra was suspended for wearing anti-war T-shirts in high school and trying to organize an anarchist club to protest the war. We are free to express any and all opinions as long as they support the government's agenda. Parts of a local newspaper article are below followed by an interview with Katie by www.infoshop.org. Gavin Student can't wear anti-war clothing to Sissonville High By Eric Eyre http://www.wvgazette.com/news/News/2001110193/ Students at Sissonville High School no longer feel safe, said school system attorney Jim Withrow. Without question, it has disrupted the educational process. (Gavin.Contrary opinions are a threat to other pupils.) Sierra's attorney blamed Mann for the turmoil at Sissonville, saying he overreacted and took those bellows and flamed the fires. He wanted her shirts out of there, Forman said. He wants her opinions out of there. If truth be known, he probably wants her out of there. End article quote. First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. Pastor Martin Niemöller Please visit my nonprofit website. Exposing the Cancer Indu$try. http://www.cancerinform.freewebsites.com Thank you. Gavin. KATIE SIERRA http://www.infoshop.org/interviews/katie_sierra.html Katie Sierra is a 15-year-old anarchist who lives in Sissonville, West Virginia. She recently made international news after her high school suspended her for wearing a t-shirt critical of the war in Afghanistan, as well as for her efforts in organizing a student anarchy club at the school. Her legal protest of the school's decision was turned down by the courts. There is an international effort to support her and her fight against the school. Infoshop.org: Can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Katie Sierra: Let's see..my name is Katie. I am a former student from Sissonville High School. I'm a 15-year-old 10th grader. In my spare time I go to shows, read, and write poetry. Infoshop: Why did you get suspended from your high school? KS: I was suspended for wearing a t-shirt that spoke of political views. Also, for having possession of the flyers in my purse. Infoshop: What did your T-shirt say? KS: Well, there's more than one. The one I got suspended for said Racism, Sexism, Homophobia..I'm so proud of the people in the land of the so called Free. Then the next week after my principal allowed me to wear them again...and then made me take it off again said When I saw the dead and dying Afghani children on TV, I felt a newly recovered sense of national security. God Bless America. Infoshop: What happened in court? KS: Besides staring at Mr. Mann's strange comb-over and missing thumb lol. I didn't win. I don't really know why. At least everything I said was factual, but everything Mann said was opinion or hearsay. Infoshop: Are you appealing the judge's decision? KS: Yes, we'll be going to court uhhh...Jan. 25. State Supreme turned it down...but I'm not giving up! How do you feel about the authorities telling you that you have no rights? KS: It makes me feel like total crap. I mean I think it's crazy. Everyone else in that school can say how they feel towards certain things, unless you have something no one agrees with. I just don't think that is fair. If I could go back to school for a day. I think I'd probably. wear duck tape over my mouth with I have no rights printed on the front. lol I think that might be quite humorous. Why did you decide to start an anarchy club? Are other students interested in joining it? KS: I think we were pretty much a group already. I mean I know we were a group. At the time we didn't have a name. And there isn't anything for us to join at SHS. So I was thinking since we are all interesting in Anarchy and whatnot things it would be a good idea. I read about it on Infoshop...that's how the idea popped into my head. Yeah, there was about 15-20 people who wanted to join. If your club existed, what kind of projects would the club be working on? KS: It was mostly for us to learn and discuss things. We had somewhat started a zine--it isn't really finished. We were going to work in some soup kitchens on the weekend. Just a lot of different things. Have people come speak. Possibly a Food not Bombs group. Tell us about the zine you were working on? KS: It was going to be called the Anny. There was four of us working on it. We were only going to print no more than 30 copies of it. Honestly, we didn't want anyone besides people in our uhh freak/punk to know about it. It was going to be about things that happen in our school, city, state, country, world...blah blah blah and how we
Re: [CTRL] Jim Collier: Only a Paper Moon?
-Caveat Lector- But he is basing his assumptions on supposed facts of science. You are arbritrarily deciding that science is lying about there being no atmosphere on the moon. Find a scientist who agrees with you. You cannot contradict something without evidence that it is false. You can of course make up any story you want to and using your rules so can everybody else. We'll never know what is true or false though using your methods. Gavin --- Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://www.thule.org/looksaucer.html How could there be diffused light on the moon? on the moon there is no prism of atmosphere to diffuse or bend light so the sky is totally black. Here we have a classic example of someone assuming a desired conclusion and fitting the facts to prove' that conclusion. I can do the same thing; all that is necessary is to change the assumed lie from we went to the moon to the moon has no atmosphere. The author, who is not willing to believe what he was told about the moon landing, is nonetheless unable to question the same authority which also told him the moon has no atmosphere. Did they lie about one and not the other? So if I assume then, that I have been lied to about the moon's atmosphere, I can conclude: 1. There is atmosphere on the moon. 2. Therefore light will be diffused and produce soft shadow and color. 3. Therefore the NASA photos are not faked (at least not for that reason). 4. Therefore NASA astronauts landed on the moon and the photos in question are genuine. See how easy it is? Not that I am happy about either lie; but this illustrates the trap of assuming we know anything or are even capable of knowing things as absolutes. At what temperature does film melt? I asked. One hundred and fifty degrees. But NASA video and film prove the astronauts to be on the moon's surface when the sun was at high noon; the temperature was +250 F. degrees. The film, in the uncooled cameras would melt, Kodak said. Once again the author does not question the accepted surface temperature of the moon but chooses to question other things. The film would indeed not survive that temperature, IF true. So it seems we pick and choose the things we wish to believe. This is a trap set for the human mind that works all too well. The only way out of the trap is to question each and every concept we have been conditioned to believe is real. Until we can conceive the possibility of frequency (electromagnetic) manipulation of our minds by earthly or other means, we have no way out of our present reality matrix. And we are so easily deceived as to make doing so child's play, even for lowly humans who have acquired the knowledge and methods. Can you tell the difference between reality and a holographic insert? Neither can I. Yet. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need
Re: [CTRL] Jim Collier: Only a Paper Moon?
-Caveat Lector- But he is basing his assumptions on supposed facts of science. You are arbritrarily deciding that science is lying about there being no atmosphere on the moon. Find a scientist who agrees with you. You cannot contradict something without evidence that it is false. You can of course make up any story you want to and using your rules so can everybody else. We'll never know what is true or false though using your methods. Gavin --- Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- http://www.thule.org/looksaucer.html How could there be diffused light on the moon? on the moon there is no prism of atmosphere to diffuse or bend light so the sky is totally black. Here we have a classic example of someone assuming a desired conclusion and fitting the facts to prove' that conclusion. I can do the same thing; all that is necessary is to change the assumed lie from we went to the moon to the moon has no atmosphere. The author, who is not willing to believe what he was told about the moon landing, is nonetheless unable to question the same authority which also told him the moon has no atmosphere. Did they lie about one and not the other? So if I assume then, that I have been lied to about the moon's atmosphere, I can conclude: 1. There is atmosphere on the moon. 2. Therefore light will be diffused and produce soft shadow and color. 3. Therefore the NASA photos are not faked (at least not for that reason). 4. Therefore NASA astronauts landed on the moon and the photos in question are genuine. See how easy it is? Not that I am happy about either lie; but this illustrates the trap of assuming we know anything or are even capable of knowing things as absolutes. At what temperature does film melt? I asked. One hundred and fifty degrees. But NASA video and film prove the astronauts to be on the moon's surface when the sun was at high noon; the temperature was +250 F. degrees. The film, in the uncooled cameras would melt, Kodak said. Once again the author does not question the accepted surface temperature of the moon but chooses to question other things. The film would indeed not survive that temperature, IF true. So it seems we pick and choose the things we wish to believe. This is a trap set for the human mind that works all too well. The only way out of the trap is to question each and every concept we have been conditioned to believe is real. Until we can conceive the possibility of frequency (electromagnetic) manipulation of our minds by earthly or other means, we have no way out of our present reality matrix. And we are so easily deceived as to make doing so child's play, even for lowly humans who have acquired the knowledge and methods. Can you tell the difference between reality and a holographic insert? Neither can I. Yet. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need
[CTRL] A village is destroyed. And America says nothing happened
-Caveat Lector- Very good article below by a British journalist in Afghanistan doing his job and reporting events that we never hear about in The New York Times, Washington Post or CNN etc. Civilian deaths are extremely high and mounting. High tech weapons make little difference if you bomb indiscriminately. In Vietnam we destroyed the village in order to save it, here we destroy the village in the hopes of killing a few terrorists and sacrifice dozens of innocents in the process. Please visit my nonprofit website. Exposing the Cancer Indu$try. http://www.cancerinform.freewebsites.com Thank you. Gavin. A village is destroyed. And America says nothing happened War on terrorism Richard Lloyd Parry in Kama Ado, Afghanistan http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia_china/story.jsp?story=108209 04 December 2001 The village where nothing happened is reached by a steep climb at the end of a rattling three-hour drive along a stony road. Until nothing happened here, early on the morning of Saturday and again the following day, it was a large village with a small graveyard, but now that has been reversed. The cemetery on the hill contains 40 freshly dug graves, unmarked and identical. And the village of Kama Ado has ceased to exist. Many of the homes here are just deep conical craters in the earth. The rest are cracked open, split like crushed cardboard boxes. At the moment when nothing happened, the villagers of Kama Ado were taking their early morning meal, before sunrise and the beginning of the Ramadan fast. And there in the rubble, dented and ripped, are tokens of the simple daily lives they led. A contorted tin kettle, turned almost inside out by the blast; a collection of charred cooking pots; and the fragments of an old-fashioned pedal-operated sewing machine. A split metal chest contains scraps of children's clothes in cheap bright nylon. In another room are the only riches that these people had, six dead cows lying higgledy-piggledy and distended by decay. And all this is very strange because, on Saturday morning when American B-52s unloaded dozen of bombs that killed 115 men, women and children nothing happened. We know this because the US Department of Defence told us so. That evening, a Pentagon spokesman, questioned about reports of civilian casualties in eastern Afghanistan, explained that they were not true, because the US is meticulous in selecting only military targets associated with Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'ida network. Subsequent Pentagon utterances on the subject have wobbled somewhat, but there has been no retraction of that initial decisive statement: It just didn't happen. So God knows what kind of a magic looking-glass I stepped through yesterday, as I travelled out of the city of Jalalabad along the desert road to Kama Ado. From the moment I woke up, I was confronted with the wreckage and innocent victims of high-altitude, hi-tech, thousand-pound nothings. The day began at the home of Haji Zaman Gamsharik, the pro-Western anti-Taliban mujahedin commander who is being discreetly supplied and funded by the US government. The previous day I had followed him around Jalalabad's mortuary, where seven mutilated corpses were being laid out mujahedin soldiers of Commander Zaman who had been killed when US bombs hit the government office in which they were sleeping. And now, it had happened again. There they were in the back of three pick-up trucks seven more bloody bodies of seven more mujahedin, killed when the guesthouse in which they were sleeping in the village of Landi Khiel was hit by bombs at 6.30am yesterday morning. Commander Zaman is a proud, haughty man who fought in the mountains for years against the Soviet Union, but I've never seen him look so vulnerable. I sent them there myself yesterday,'' was all he could say. I sent them for security.'' But the commander provided us with mujahedin escorts of our own, and we set off down the road to Landi Khiel. We found the ruins of the office where the first lot of soldiers had died, and the guesthouse where they perished the previous morning. And there, in the ruins of a family house, was a small fragment of nothing. It was the tail-end of a compact bomb. It bore the words Surface Attack Guided Missile AGM 114, and a serial number: 232687. It was half-buried in the remains of the straw roof of a house where three men had died: Fazil Karim, his brother Mahmor Ghulab, and his nephew Hasiz Ullah. They were a family, just ordinary people, said Haji Mohammed Nazir, the local elder who was accompanying us. They were not terrorists the terrorists are in the mountains, over there.'' So we drove on in the direction of the White Mountains, where hundreds of al-Qa'ida members, and perhaps even Osama bin Laden himself, are hiding in the Tora Bora cave complex. A B-52 was high in the sky; a billow of black smoke was visible, blooming out of the valley. Something, surely, was happening over there. And then we reached the ruins of
[CTRL] Investigators Prove Government Coverup In 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing
-Caveat Lector- The Oklahoma City bombing is probably the most nefarious cover-up in the histroy of the U.S. I spent at least a thousand hours researching this event and spoke to several investigators. I spoke with Key on the phone for about 45 minutes about 6 months ago and I told him that I'm convinced it was a purposely orchestrated event by our government to try and force through draconian legislation. He said that his investigation certainly totally changed his worldview. The most interesting part for him was how people reacted to the facts his investigation turned up. Many just could not face it, they'd rather stay ignorant than learn a terrible truth. I'll take the truth thank you. Gavin. --- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A HREF=http://www.proliberty.com/observer/;http://www.proliberty.com/observer//A Investigators Prove Government Coverup In 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing Idaho Observer October 2001 An independent team of investigators led by former Oklahoma State Senator Charles Key recently released its Final Report on the April 19, 1995 bombing of Alfred J. Murrah Federal Building. The 550-page book is an exhaustive compilation of facts, evidence, witness testimony, and scientific reports that fill in the blanks left by six years of incompitent dominent media coverage and a federal cover-up that ultimately led to the execution of Timothy McVeigh. The report makes it clear that the federal government almost immediately began spinning the story to present the image that McVeigh was alone the day the ammonium nitrate-fuel oil bomb exploded and caused the deaths of 168 people. Witnesses who saw suspicious characters in downtown Oklahoma City the morning of April 19 were never called to the stand. All points bulletins issued by law enforcement to locate the suspicious characters were withdrawn immediately after the arrest of McVeigh -- an hour after the bombing -- though he was held for two days before being officially connected to the incident. Witnesses who saw McVeigh in the presence of others days before the bombing and the morning of the bombing were excluded from court proceedings. Witnesses who claim that their response to jump under their desks when the building began shaking moments before the blast were never called to testify. Senator Key was apprised of these, and more inconsistencies within days of what, until September 11, 2001, was the worst terrorist attack in American history. So many broken-hearted families affected directly by the bombing had unanswered questions and implored me, in my capacity as an elected official, to pursue further investigation into the case. This resulted in the formation of the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee (OBIC) by private citizens, which was funded solely by the private sector, explained Key in the preface. The report is a fascinating odyssey into the machinery of media mind manipulation as you begin to remember things that you saw and understood to be true at the time of the event but have long since been replaced with images intended to distort and confuse reality. We have sufficient proof to support our original contention that the federal government indeed had prior knowledge of the bombingEvidence we have amassed establishes that multiple John Does were involved, wrote Key. Much of the evidence uncovered by the OBIC over the last six years has been ignored by the dominant media. The dominant media's insistence upon maintaining its role as propaganda ministry for a demonstrably weak official explanation of events in this, and other cases, may have emboldened the real terrorists, essentially lighting the runway for the most recent WTC tragedy to occur. The final report became available prior to September 11. Yet the OBIC foreshadowed the WTC event by stating, It is our belief that the bombing in Oklahoma City will not be the last terrorist attack on U.S. soil. Since all of the perpetrators have not been caught, they are still free to continue their work. This will happen again. It has taken a full six years to amass the evidence and get it ready for publication. It is logical to conclude that it may be another six years before a comprehensive, impartial compilation of the evidence regarding the WTC attack will be available to the public. Until that time, the Final Report is the anatomy of the federal government's cover-up of what is now the second most deadly terrorist attack in U.S. history and, as such, no doubt provides clues that will allow us to gain inference into the mechanics of this most recent attack. The Final Report is available from NorFed: (888) 421-6181. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION
Re: [CTRL] NEWSMAX: Ruddy's Credibility?
-Caveat Lector- I'm also extremely suspicious of who Chris Ruddy really serves. I emailed him about two years ago about allegations (and the fact tha this website had no useful info on the OKC bombing)that he had spread false rumours about Patrick Knowlton (I think) during his investigation of Vince Foster. David Martin and another man who has carefullly investigated Fosters death told me Ruddy cannot be trusted. I can dig the information out if anybody is interested. Gavin. --- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A HREF=http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=97contentid=383page=2;http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=97contentid=383page=2/A NEWSMAX: Controlled Opposition Media by JACKIE PATRU First look at the board of News Max... Good ole' Arnaud de Borchgrave sits on it. Arnaud is a member of the CFR, and was an '80s member of the CNP Council on National Policy)A HREF=http://watch.pair.com/cnpdbase.html;CNP Database/A, and I would guess still a secretive member of the CNP. Remember too, Arnaud was editor of the Washington Times (Sun Myung Moon's newspaper run by his top boy, Bo Hi Pak). When Arnaud left the Times, his trained CNP boy took over for him. Arnaud went on to head UPI for Moon after Moon bought it. There is the short version of the background of a board member of NEWSMAX. This is only one board member. Chris Ruddy was in the whole crowd doing the Mena Connection/Clinton Chronicles/Vince Foster stuff that Jeremiah Films (owner of Jeremiah Films another CNP man) was circulating, and Jerry Falwell (who has taken over $ 3 1/2 million from cultist Moon) was shilling for. Terry Reed, who did the definitive story on Mena, was in the deep freeze with the conservative establishment because he really put the whole thing in perspective and tied CNP-member Oliver North and George Bush directly to Clinton and Mena. I really admired Reed for that! Remember he also did that fantastic video about NAFTA. It was supposed to be the first of a series but they ran into financial difficulties. There's a ton more, but this should suffice to give thought to the credibility of Ruddy and NewsMax... all connected to the rightwing cabal of CNP who is all connected to the leftwing cabal through Rockefeller/Scaife and countless other players. It's a big joke on the American fools who think there's any difference between the goals of the left and right. Just take a look at their columnists. I could write a book just about them and their horrid connections... everything from Skull and Bonesmen to Moon! Geez, hasn't anyone any discernment anymore? For heaven's sake...anyone who has listened to talk radio knows the backgrounds of these people. Col. Stanislav Lunev is a shill and one to be very wary of... he's a commie hack of Gorbachev's. This is not to say all of them are bad, but a damn big number of them are! The following excerpt of Ruddy's article should be a clue, Carol. It furthers the terrorist threat being propagated by the controlled media, which in turn has uninformed Americans in a state of constant fear and in a fever pitch for revenge on an unknown enemy. At this point the mass collective mind is hell bent on: WAR -- if it lasts forever, who cares just get those bastard terrorists and so what if, in defense of the World Order, U.S. Soldiers will have to kill and die; BLOOD-SHED -- to hell with the death of innocents, that's just 'collateral damage, can't be helped; ORWELLIAN 'SECURITY MEASURES' -- the more military personnel in the airports, on our street corners, in our schools the merrier and we need a national I.D., to hell with individual rights to privacy, property, and self-defense; and most dangerous... the IF YOU AREN'T WITH US, YOU'RE AGAINST US mentality -- which will have those clueless, thoughtless masses ready to tear us apart for our outspoken opposition to the war. Excerpt from Chris Ruddy article on the AA Flight 587 crash in Queens: An investigation first needs to be conducted, and only then a conclusion drawn. But the government is so anxious to calm an already panicked public, it is trying, at every opportunity, to hold back any possibility of bad news. We saw how federal officials downplayed the anthrax attacks. Some officials are holding back the truth, perhaps to protect the economy. Yes, the economy is shaky and another terrorist act against a civilian jet will only hurt. But in the long run, fairy tales don t help. We ignore the truth and bad news at our peril. I don't believe in holding back bad news. Failing to tell the public bad news doesn't lead to better news, just more trouble. The reason we Americans are in this terrorist predicament is because of the increasing deceit coming from our government. The government is anxious to calm the public? Have you watched or listened to the news? Hundreds of
[CTRL] Boylan: Disinformationist Milton Wm. Cooper Meets His End
-Caveat Lector- Once again, kicking a man in the grave. Did Boylan say this when Bill was alive? Cooper had a very short fuse but also had some very interesting insights, you just had to discriminate. Gavin. --- MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Dr. Richard J. Boylan, Ph.D., LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 10:32 AM Subject: Disinformationist Milton Wm. Cooper Meets His End For many years Milton William Cooper, an alleged former Naval Intelligence operative, ranted in person and in print to all who would listen with his peculiar brand of paranoid alien invader and cover-up disinformation stories. Reportedly an abuser of alcohol, his stories got more extreme as the years went on. Finally he announced that he was no longer interested in UFOs, and became an anti-government survivalist-type demagogue on the radio. Yesterday Milton William Cooper died in a shoot-out with Apache County deputies trying to serve an arrest warrant on him. He shot one of the deputies in the head twice. Those of a metaphysical persuasion may see the influence of karma in these events. His end, as recounted by UFO investigator Bill Hamilton, is narrated below. - Richard Boylan, Ph.D. William Hamilton III writes: Bill Cooper Confirmed Killed in Shootout Having known Bill Cooper I predicted years ago that his life would end this way. He had a real love for firearms and booze. He had a difficult time distinguishing truth from fantasy. I'm only sorry his good qualities did not predominate in his life. Back in 1988 when I met John Lear, Bill Cooper was starting to post his expose of MJ-12 and the UFO coverup. I was beginning to look into the MJ-12 enigma myself at the time and worked with Bill Steinman who wrote the book UFO Crash at Aztec. Steinman was always one of the first to hear about a new whistleblower and that is how I had heard about Cooper. I was one of the first ones to sponsor a talk by him and was embarrassed afterward when he made a plea for money. Afterwards, having coffee in the restaurant with Bill and his wife, he told me that he had seen something in official documents on the 1954 Edwards AFB incident with Eisenhower. I was very interested in this rumor and even went someways in investigating the incident. Bill made the startling claim then (and it was recorded during his talk) that it was Pleidians that landed at Edwards in 1954! I thought this was most peculiar so a few months later I brought up the subject over the phone and he stated to me that he had never said that Pleidians had landed at Edwards because the docs said Reticulans. I knew then that he was an inveterate liar and he changed his story at least once a month. He also stunned me by inviting me to go to a gun show with him and buy a type of gun that would blow a hole in an engine block. I asked him why I would want to do a silly thing like that. His reply was that I should protect myself against the government. He used to drink heavily and got into a fight at one UFO conference in San Diego with Eric Beckjord. When he eventually changed his story from evil aliens to evil government and lost his growing audience he faded from the UFO conferences and went to Arizona to spread his militia views. In his book, Behold a Pale Horse he says that he thought that I was a friend, but I was just another opportunist. I am sorry he felt that way. I found the bulk of this book to be no more than plagiarized works bound under cover with his name on it. The only part that was his was the first chapters on his story which had long since changed since he wrote the book. Farewell Bill. I hope you rest easily in the afterlife as you sure were ill at ease with life on earth. Sincerely, Bill Hamilton Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinumrefcd=PT97 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read.
[CTRL] Hypocrisy, hatred and the war on terror
-Caveat Lector- Great article below. Once again from the British media . Take a look at my nonprofit website. Gavin. The Cancer Racket Exposed http://www.cancerinform.freewebsites.com Robert Fisk: Hypocrisy, hatred and the war on terror The Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=103717 'If the US attacks were an assault on civilisation, why shouldn't Muslim regard the Afganistan attack as a war on Islam?' 08 November 2001 Air campaign? Coalition forces? War on terror? How much longer must we go on enduring these lies? There is no campaign merely an air bombardment of the poorest and most broken country in the world by the world's richest and most sophisticated nation. No MiGs have taken to the skies to do battle with the American B-52s or F-18s. The only ammunition soaring into the air over Kabul comes from Russian anti-aircraft guns manufactured around 1943. Coalition? Hands up who's seen the Luftwaffe in the skies over Kandahar, or the Italian air force or the French air force over Herat. Or even the Pakistani air force. The Americans are bombing Afghanistan with a few British missiles thrown in. Coalition indeed. Then there's the war on terror. When are we moving on to bomb the Jaffna peninsula? Or Chechnya which we have already left in Vladimir Putin's bloody hands? I even seem to recall a massive terrorist car bomb that exploded in Beirut in 1985 targeting Sayed Hassan Nasrallah, the spiritual inspiration to the Hezbollah, who now appears to be back on Washington's hit list and which missed Nasrallah but slaughtered 85 innocent Lebanese civilians. Years later, Carl Bernstein revealed in his book, Veil, that the CIA was behind the bomb after the Saudis agreed to fund the operation. So will the US President George Bush be hunting down the CIA murderers involved? The hell he will. So why on earth are all my chums on CNN and Sky and the BBC rabbiting on about the air campaign, coalition forces and the war on terror? Do they think their viewers believe this twaddle? Certainly Muslims don't. In fact, you don't have to spend long in Pakistan to realise that the Pakistani press gives an infinitely more truthful and balanced account of the war publishing work by local intellectuals, historians and opposition writers along with Taliban comments and pro-government statements as well as syndicated Western analyses than The New York Times; and all this, remember, in a military dictatorship. You only have to spend a few weeks in the Middle East and the subcontinent to realise why Tony Blair's interviews on al-Jazeera and Larry King Live don't amount to a hill of beans. The Beirut daily As-Safir ran a widely-praised editorial asking why an Arab who wanted to express the anger and humiliation of millions of other Arabs was forced to do so from a cave in a non-Arab country. The implication, of course, was that this rather than the crimes against humanity on 11 September was the reason for America's determination to liquidate Osama bin Laden. Far more persuasive has been a series of articles in the Pakistani press on the outrageous treatment of Muslims arrested in the United States in the aftermath of the September atrocities. One such article should suffice. Headlined Hate crime victim's diary, in The News of Lahore, it outlined the suffering of Hasnain Javed, who was arrested in Alabama on 19 September with an expired visa. In prison in Mississippi, he was beaten up by a prisoner who also broke his tooth. Then, long after he had sounded the warden's alarm bell, more men beat him against a wall with the words: Hey bin Laden, this is the first round. There are going to be 10 rounds like this. There are dozens of other such stories in the Pakistani press and most of them appear to be true. Again, Muslims have been outraged by the hypocrisy of the West's supposed respect for Islam. We are not, so we have informed the world, going to suspend military operations in Afghanistan during the holy fasting month of Ramadan. After all, the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq conflict continued during Ramadan. So have Arab-Israeli conflicts. True enough. But why, then, did we make such a show of suspending bombing on the first Friday of the bombardment last month out of our respect for Islam? Because we were more respectful then than now? Or because the Taliban remaining unbroken we've decided to forget about all that respect? I can see why you want to separate bin Laden from our religion, a Peshawar journalist said to me a few days ago. Of course you want to tell us that this isn't a religious war, but Mr Robert, please, please stop telling us how much you respect Islam. There is another disturbing argument I hear in Pakistan. If, as Mr Bush claims, the attacks on New York and Washington were an assault on civilisation, why shouldn't Muslims regard an attack on Afghanistan as a war on Islam? The Pakistanis swiftly spotted the hypocrisy of the Australians. While itching to get into the fight
[CTRL] Killing Terrorists or Kids?
-Caveat Lector- The collateral damage seems to be far exceeding the terrorist casualties. Apparently another seven children were killed yesterday. Just like the sanctions on Iraq with about a million woman and kids dead in the last 8 years. See if you can spot amy terrorists here. Funny, I thought that it was supposed to be *precision* bombing. Gavin. http://www.bangpound.org/afghanwirephotos/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Cancer Racket Exposed
Hello Everyone, There are times in our lives when we must stand up for certain issues, rights or just pass on information that we believe is crucial. For me, this is one of those times. After about 14 months and 1500 some hours of research, I know that at least a dozen very effective cancer treatments have and are being suppressed by the pharmaceutical/medical complex. My answer as to Why? is fairly long and is answered at my newly created non-profit website. My article, "The Cancer Racket" was published in "Clamor" magazines Feb/Mar (re-titled, "Can You Trust Your Doctor"?) issue this year. Feel free to email and circulate it on the Internet, unchanged, non-commercially and with attribute please. Over ten thousand Americans die every week from cancer, a medical vietnam every 6 weeks. Yet here we are in the 21st century still being prescribed the same three treatments that have failed for over 50 years; surgery, chemotherapy and radiation treatment. Surgery is the most effective of the three but has limitations and other disadvantages. Chemotherapy and radiation are toxic, cause cancer, and wreck the immune system. They cause very serious side-effects and do far more harm than good for the vast majority of cancer patients. But those are our main options, so the oncologists say. Please read this next story and try to put yourself in the shoes of Ric and Paula Schiff. In 1993 their 4 year old daughter, Crystin, became ill with the most deadly form of brain cancer. Crystin underwent surgery at the University of California at San Francisco Medical Center (UCSF). Crystin's prognosis was bleak, she would be dead in a few months. Chemotherapy and radiation treatment may extend her life further, but the side-effects were appalling. Ric and Paula were told there were no other treatment options. Crystin went through six months of hell. During this time Ric and Paula found out about Dr. Burzynski's non-toxic antineoplastons that have very few short term side effects and are very effective against brain cancer. The doctors at UCSF told them it was worthless. Ric and Paula decided to go ahead anyway. Incredibly, antineoplastons put Crystin into remission. Although Crystin died in 1995, it was not from cancer, but from brain damage as a result of chemotherapy and radiation treatment. Later Ric and Paula found out that a doctor at UCSF had taken a close interest in a previous patients success using antineoplastons . From 1989/1993 Dr. Prados had sent Burzynski 14 lettters documenting the case of Jeff Keller's brain cancer remission using Burzynski's treatment. Yet this doctor told Ric and Paula Schiff that antineoplastons were useless. See my section "Three Children Denied The Best Treatment" for more information. Children with brain cancer in America must first be treated with chemotherapy/radiation treatment. After the pharmaceutical companies have extracted their blood dollars the child may be allowed access to antineoplastons. But it is usually too late because the chemotherapy/radiation has destroyed the childs immune system. Parents who try refusing orthodox cancer treatments for their children will probably be facing a court order and their child made a ward of the State. Please help spread the word about the most egregious scandal in the history of medicine. The pharmaceutical/medical complex ban natural/cheap cancer treatments so they can keep peddling their highly lucrative chemotherapy and radiation treatments. Meanwhile, our children, grandparents, wives, husbands, family and friends keep dying. Thank you for your time.Gavin Phillips If you have a website, please post a link to my website Exposing the Cancer Indu$try http://www.cancerinform.freewebsites.com/ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals.
[CTRL] *J. Sanders/TWA 800 Latest*
-Caveat Lector- I recently received a form letter from James Sanders, as I presume, thousands of other people did who purchased his book âAltered Evidence.â He says that CBSâs California affiliate had been sent a videotape of Jamesâ lecture at the Granada Forum in LA, Sept 7, 1999. They aired three 8-minute segments on the evening news. I do not know the date it was aired. James writes, âAnother man, a retired industrialist who started a company in an old, rundown barn in 1946, and then went on to build one of Americaâs major corporations before retiring in 1980, received copies of the above videotape. He picked up the phone and asked my permission to contact one of the most powerful congressman in Washington, DC.â Sanders goes onto say that the congressman requested further information and was sent 14 pounds of documentation. He has asked to remain anonymous at this time. Sanders also says that Marge Gross (possibly other families as well), whose brother died in TWA 800, is meeting with Chris Farrell of Judicial Watch regarding representation in a lawsuit against the government for wrongful death. Sanders writes, âLast spring, Liz and I hired two attorneys to file a civil suit on our behalf against the United States government and several named agents of the government. Because our civil suit is so similar to the one the family members would like Judicial Watch to file against the government, we prepared another fourteen-pound brief for Judicial Watch, and also provided them a copy of our 95-page civil suit. Without question, we are getting to those who managed the cover-up. Our civil suit names Jim Kallstrom as a co-conspirator. â¦Kallstrom knows he will become the fall guy for those above him who orchestrated the criminal acts in which senior members of the Flight 800 âinvestigationâ engaged.â Jim says that the Connecticut affiliate of ABC ran a five-minute segment on TWA 800 and the families suing the government. ABC interviewed Kallstrom. ââ¦He was shown video portions of two eyewitnesses to the missile fire that brought Flight 800 down.â The witnesses were Fritz Meyer, an air national guard helicopter pilot who was in the air at the time of TWAâs demise. The other witness was Paul Angelides, as Sanders writes, ââ¦A man trained to observe, analyze and provide expert testimony in court. That is his job. He observed a projectile shortly after launch. It was hanging high in the sky just to the west of Angelides. Flight 800 was about nine miles to his southeast. The missile had to cross in front of Angelides as it streaked out over the ocean.â "Kallstromâs response:âItâs nonsense, stupid, no basis in fact at allâ¦..I have no idea why these people say what they say. They should take a hard look in the mirror and look at themselves and ask themselves what theyâre saying.â "With your help, we can force Jim Kallstrom to spend many days, weeks and months looking in his mirror, asking himself why he did not have the integrity to walk away from such a despicable, illegal scam.â Has anyone seen the videotape that James is talking about? He gives an address to obtain a copy of the 25-minute segment shown on CBS. He asks for an unspecified donation. Visit my website **Exposing the Cancer Indu$try** a href="http://www.geocities.com/freee80/"Click Here/a Gavin. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYT's Article.Businesses Refuse IRS Payments
-Caveat Lector- Just in case this hasn't already been posted. Gavin. Scheduled to appear in Sunday edition of the NY Times -- November 19, 2000. We pulled it from the Times' web site today. Johnston read the USA TODAY ad we published on July 7th and he went to work. Bob Schulz. ** November 19, 2000 Saying Income Tax Is Illegal, Business Owners Quit Paying By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON LAKE SHASTA, Calif. Al Thompson squeezed most of his manufacturing company's 28 employees into a conference room here in October to say he had good news: Income taxes must be paid by only a few Americans, mostly those working for foreign-owned companies. So, he told the workers, they would not have to pay income taxes ever again. His business is exempt, too, he said. No Social Security or Medicare taxes, either. The company was no longer withholding taxes from their paychecks, he said, or telling the Internal Revenue Service how much they made. Mr. Thompson is part of a tiny but increasingly flamboyant fringe of American business. Arguing that the federal tax laws do not apply to them, these small companies are thumbing their noses at the I.R.S. in a very public way: they have not only stopped withholding taxes and turning them over to the government, they are also bragging about it on Web sites and radio talk shows, and organizing seminars to promote the gospel of defiance. And they are boasting that they must be right because the I.R.S. has not come after them, even though it knows what they are doing. Mr. Thompson noted that he had not sent a weekly tax payment to the I.R.S. since July, yet "I have not been drug off to jail." Indeed, the I.R.S. has not only failed to pursue these businesses, it has in some cases given refunds after they claimed they did not owe taxes paid earlier. In at least two cases, the businesses say they even received apologetic letters from the I.R.S. for not rescinding penalties and issuing the refunds sooner. Many tax experts express astonishment at the idea that the I.R.S. is aware that legitimate businesses are cheating yet has not even written to ask why their tax payments stopped, let alone begun action to make them pay. This undermines the principle on which the American tax system is based, they say: people who do not pay their taxes will pay the consequences. How many businesses are taunting the I.R.S. this way is impossible to know. At least 23, including Mr. Thompson's aviation products company, a Florida marketing firm and a Texas plastics company, have made their decisions public. Sixty business owners and their advisers met on the weekend of Nov. 11 in California to plan how to persuade thousands of others to join them. Over the years, a number of individuals have claimed to be out of reach of the tax laws, but experts, including four former I.R.S. commissioners, said this case was different. "This is tremendously significant because we have never before had responsible parties employers refuse to withhold," said Sheldon Cohen, a former I.R.S. commissioner. "The system simply cannot work if they get away with this." The I.R.S. declined to comment on whether it was pursuing enforcement actions against the 23 employers, citing a law that protects taxpayer privacy. But there is no public record showing litigation or enforcement actions like liens against the companies' assets. The failure of the I.R.S. to act even against those who openly defy the tax laws raises questions about the agency's ability to stop tax cheating. Asked whether the I.R.S. was moving against any such tax resisters, the senior I.R.S. spokesman, Frank Keith, would say only that "with limited resources the I.R.S. must often choose which cases to pursue" and that it focuses on those that will generate the most revenue. But Jerome Kurtz, another former commissioner, disagreed. "That's a nice pat line," he said, "but they don't go after only the people with the highest income. They audit hundreds of thousands of returns under $25,000 that produce little or no revenue and they can take resources from those." Michael Graetz, a tax policy adviser under President George Bush and now a professor at Yale, added that he thought it was a big mistake that the I.R.S. had not moved immediately against these employers. "They have to act," he said, "or this will get out of hand very, very quickly." Commissioner Charles O. Rossotti of the I.R.S. has warned Congress that the agency's enforcement resources have so shriveled that a growing number of people will think they can get away with not paying taxes, and the tax collection system will be threatened. Some years ago, the I.R.S. did pursue organizations that publicly declared they would not withhold taxes. One prominent case was a church with a national following, the Indianapolis Baptist Temple.
[CTRL] J.Keller: Cancer Healer or Fraud?
-Caveat Lector- Long, but very good article about another good man persecuted by the cancer profiteers. See my website for more information about the suppression of natural or inexpensive alternatives to sugery, chemotherapy and radiation treatment. a href="http://www.geocities.com/freee80/"Click Here/a FAITH, HOPE FRAUD Copyright © 1991 by The Times Mirror Company Appeared in the Sunday, Home Edition of the Los Angeles Times on December 15, 1991. DESPERATE CANCER VICTIMS SAY JIMMY KELLER IS A MIRACLE WORKER. THE GOVERNMENT SAYS HE'S A CON MAN. By Paul Ciotti (Paul Ciotti is a Los Angeles Times Magazine staff writer). The first time patients saw St. Jude's International Cancer Clinic in Tijuana, it was a wonder they didn't turn around and leave. The clinic was in a decrepit two-story building in a desolate hillside neighborhood. The finish stucco had fallen off the facade in places, and some of the windows were covered with plastic and tape. To reach the clinic offices, you went down a long, dark-paneled hallway opening into a small, four-room suite. And nearly anytime between 9 a.m. and dusk, that's where you'd find the director, Jimmy Keller, a small, slightly-stooped man with longish gray hair, a salt-and-pepper beard and thick glasses that always hung at a precarious angle across his face. That was a result of his cancer. Twenty-three years ago, he lost his left ear, part of his neck and his major facial nerves to radical cancer surgery. The left side of his face sagged. His eyeglasses had nothing to hook onto -- the spot where his ear used to be was a round, gray traumatic scar, the size of a saucer, with a little black hole in the middle for his ear canal. But none of this mattered to the people who drove up the steep, potholed streets to St. Jude's, lining the curb with their cars and vans and U.S. license plates. Once their oncologists had pronounced the death sentence -- "I'm sorry. There's nothing more I can do" -- they went to Keller. And Keller was unique. He had a presence. His easy southern drawl inspired trust. "You feel intensely cared about," said one Redondo Beach family therapist treated by Keller for cancer of the stomach, cervix and breast. People would walk in the front door and see a long hall lined with people sitting in chairs under amino-acid IV drips, laughing, talking and welcoming the newcomers. "You have cancer? " they'd burble. "Oh, really? What kind?" It was Keller who set the tone. He was always touching people, putting his arms around them, telling them he loved them. "Is this part of the treatment?" a woman asked him once. "Yes," Keller said. He gave everyone hugs and kisses. Men, too. People would come to his clinic and wonder what they were getting into -- his clinic was full of cancer patients singing songs. Then on March 18, 1991, the singing stopped. At 9 in the morning, while Keller was examining patients, men with guns burst into the clinic. "Who are they?" asked Keller, looking up in surprise. That's when they pulled him out the door to a waiting van. "Jimmy has just been kidnaped by four thugs," a patient screamed into the telephone. "My God! What are we going to do?" There was nothing they could do. The men were from Mexican immigration. After taking Keller back to their office, they disappeared, and six other men in dungarees and blue work shirts, who declined to identify themselves, entered the room, seized him and walked him across the border to San Ysidro. There he was arrested by the FBI and arraigned on 12 counts of conspiracy to commit wire fraud (specifically that he or someone working for him made telephone calls across interstate lines to attract people to his Mexican clinic). Keller was flown to Brownsville, Tex., where bail was set at $5 million cash. Then, in August, the judge moved the proceedings 50 miles up the Rio Grande to McAllen, Tex. Keller's trial had begun. Although his friends were shocked and appalled at this dramatic turn of events, Keller himself was not totally surprised. People had been trying to put him in jail for the past 15 years. As he saw it, there was too much money at stake for the " cancer industry" to sit idly by while "alternative practitioners" increasingly took their clients away. "I had the most successful clinic that's ever been run," he maintained. "They didn't punish me for being unsuccessful but for being too successful." Ridiculous, responded William Jarvis, head of the Loma Linda-based National Council Against Health Fraud. What people like Keller do, Jarvis says, is exploit desperate, alienated and guilt-ridden cancer victims, infusing them with their own paranoia until these people start to believe that "the FDA is the enemy and that the National Cancer Institute is involved in this giant conspiracy to withhold these wonderful cures." Keller wasn't a healer, Jarvis contended -- he was a transparent fraud who dispensed worthless secret serums and misdiagnosed cancer victims with
[CTRL] Congress of Crooks, Cowards Criminals
-Caveat Lector- http://www.devvy.com/ccc_19990830.html The Congress of Crooks, Cowards Criminals Devvy Kidd August 23, 1999 Thank you to Capitol Hill Blue for exposing some of the political sewage back in Washington, DC. Sadly, this level of corruption isn't confined to Washington, it's going on at the state level, in the legislatures and right down to the petty city councilman/woman. I'm just sorry we can't supply up-chuck bags for readers of these articles. During the phony impeachment circus, Jim Moran was one of the most rapid supporters of Bill Clinton. What do they say about birds of a feather? I've said this before and I'll say it again: When the lawmakers become the lawbreakers, anarchy will reign. When the lawmakers become lawbreakers, why does it surprise anyone that our current culture is full of lawless people with the morals of an alley cat or with no conscious at all - just what they can get for themselves right this minute? After all, the political leaders of this country are lawless and as we continue to find out, most of them have no morals either. They circumvent the law by using special privileges. They lie to us, they steal from us, they cheat us and the cattle [the general public] don't seem to mind just as long as they can get to the 7-11 and buy beer after work, go to the mall and charge themselves into bankruptcy or load themselves up with "harmless" drugs. People should study the history of the Roman Empire [a Republic], because we're on a collision course for collapse and only those in a total state of denial can't see what's headed their way like a freight train. Crooks, cowards and criminals: America's "lawmakers" of today. What a sad legacy to the sacrifices made by people like Nathan Hale, Patrick Henry and all the other men, women and children who shed their blood, who pledged their honor and everything of material value to give you freedom. The only way to start cleaning out this nest of lawbreakers, including the state and local levels, is to restore the integrity of the ballot box and I have covered how to do that on this web site many times. America cannot continue to survive on a mountain of lies. The question is: What are the people of this country going to do about it? Sit back in front of the stupid tube and allow their brains to be turned into mush with the trash on TV? Continue living the good lie - not life - and spending their way into unpayable debt because they have willfully believed the hoax of our "booming economy?" I pray each day that we continue to reach one more person who has had a belly full of the lies, the stealing of the people's wealth and putting in into the pockets of the private elitist banker boys and the moral corruption of our Republic. Unfortunately, people usually have to become a victim before they become an activist. However, this unprecedented protest scheduled up in Seattle against the globalist agenda is cause for celebration and each step we take towards curing the cancer instead of treating the symptoms, takes us one more step towards restoring America to a Constitutional Republic. Won't you do your part? Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] David Crockett.*FASCINATING STORY*
-Caveat Lector- http://www.devvy.com/crockett.html NOT YOURS TO GIVE From the Life of Colonel David Crockett Member of the U.S. Congress 1827-31 1832-35 Complied from The Life of Colonel David Crockett by Edward S. Ellis (Philadelphia: Porter Coates, 1884) One day in the House of Representatives, a bill was taken up appropriating money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The Speaker was just about to put the question when Crockett arose: "Mr. Speaker - I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member on this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard that the government was in arrears to him. Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and, if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks. He took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage, and, instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and as, no doubt it would but for that speech, it received but few votes and of course, was lost. Later when asked by a friend why he had opposed the appropriation, Crockett gave this explanation: "Several years ago I was one evening standing on the steps of the Capitol with some other members of Congress when our attention was attracted by a great light over in Georgetown. It was evidently a large fire. We jumped into a hack and drove over as fast we could. In spite of all that could be done, many houses were burned and many families made houseless, and besides, some of them had lost all but the clothes they had on. The weather was very cold, and when I saw so many women and children suffering, I felt that something ought to be done for them. The next morning a bill was introduced appropriating $20,000 for their relief. We put aside all other business and rushed it through as soon as it could be done. The next summer, when it began to be time to think about the election, I concluded I would take a scout around among the boys of my district. I had no opposition there, but, as the election was some time off, I did not know what might turn up. When riding one day in part of my district in which I was more of a stranger than any other, I saw a man in a field plowing and coming toward the road. I gauged my gait so that I should meet as he came to the fence. As he came up, I spoke to the man. He replied politely, but as I thought, rather coldly. I began, 'Well, friend, I am one of those unfortunate beings called candidates, and-' 'Yes, I know you; you are Colonel Crockett, I have seen you once before and voted for you the last time you were elected. I suppose you are out electioneering right now, but you had better not waste your time or mine. I shall not vote for you again.' This was a sockdolager, I begged him to tell me what was the matter. 'Well, Colonel, it is hardly worth while to waste time or words upon it. I do not see how it can be mended, but you gave a vote last winter which shows that either you have not capacity to understand the Constitution, or that you are wanting in the honesty and firmness to be guided by it. In either case you are not the man to represent me. But I beg your pardon for expressing it in that way. I did not intend to avail myself of the privilege of the constituent to speak plainly to a candidate for the purpose of insulting or wounding you. I intend by it only to say that your understanding of the Constitution is very different from mine; and I will say to you what, but for my rudeness, I should not have said that I believe you to be honest. But an understanding of the Constitution different from mine I cannot overlook because the Constitution, to be worth anything, must be held sacred and rigidly observed in all its provisions. The man who wields power and misinterprets it, is the more
[CTRL] Farah, Ruddy the OKC Bombing
-Caveat Lector- Hello All, Devvy Kidd's David Crockett article is a fascinating story and a great lesson in how even the most scrupulously honest person can be blindsided. Which nicely segways into a posting I made to Freerepublic about four months ago. It addressed a question that had rankled me for some time. Why is there virtually no information about the Oklahoma City bombing on Joe Farah's and Chris Ruddy's websites? As I state at the end, there are no "sacred cows" in my pursuit of the truth in any matter. Comments anybody? Gavin Phillips. J.Farah (WND) Remains Mute/OKC Bombing For anybody who has spent a few hours researching the Oklahoma City bombing knows that the governemnt/mainstream media story is 98% baloney. Officially, two men (only McVeigh on the day of the bombing) and a home-brew ANFO truck bomb. (and "others" unknown) This production by the Clinton regime is one of the biggest disinformation coups ever perpetrated on the American people. I have researched this incident in great detail. The Oklahoma City bombing is the most Machiavellian orchestrated government incident in several decades, in my opinion at least as mendacious as Waco. I like Worldnetdaily and Joe Farah. He does a very good job, sometimes an outstanding job, in exposing the head to toenail corruption in the Clinton/Hillary/Reno dictatorship. One thing has stuck in my craw though, why is there nothing on Worldnetdaily about the massive government duplicity in the Oklahoma bombing? I ignored it. It must be an oversight, right? Or maybe I just wanted to believe that. When I heard about Hugh Turley's banning on Freerepublic for posting his opinion about Chris Ruddy, Joe Farah and Matt Drudge , I decided to ask some questions. I e-mailed Joe Farah and asked him why he has ignored the bombing. Our brief correspondence is below. Hello Joe, A search of your website returned no in depth articles regarding the governments lies and duplicity regarding the Oklahoma City bombing. You tentatively place half a toe in with your article 'We knew this was going to happen' 2 reserve deputies testify about Oklahoma City bombing" which is unsigned. There is far more evidence of government prior knowledge than this. " The New American" http://thenewamerican.com/focus/okc/index.htm magazine has followed this case from the beginning and has pointed out in several articles the many large credibility gaps in the government/mainstream media version of events which is supposedly two men, one on the day of the bombing and a "home-brew" fertilizer truck bomb. There have been several good books published documenting the lies and cover-up in this incident, such as David Hoffman's' "The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror," Michele Marie Moore's "Oklahoma City:Day One," Jim Keith's "Okbomb! : Conspiracy and Cover-Up " Ambrose Evans-Pritchard's "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton" in which he dedicates about a 100 pages to the bombing. Yet nothing of substance on your site. Why? Curiously, Gavin Phillips. Joe Farah replies; We have a limited reporting staff, which NEVER regurgitates reporting by others. To commit to investigating the Oklahoma City bombing cover-up is a major commitment of time and resources. There are many important stories we are not able to cover. You cite much good work that has been done on this story. I agree. Would you have us plough the same ground? Or should we focus our efforts on reporting no one else is doing? We have chosen the latter. JF I reply; Hello Joe, My reply to your e-mail is below. Gavin. We have a limited reporting staff, which NEVER regurgitates reporting by others. You are not saying that all of your stories are exclusives, are you Joe? In many of your articles I have seen similar information on other news websites, or via mailing lists that I am on. You can still give a different viewpoint and new facts on the same event. Where does regurgitating leave off Joe and citing work by others begin? Joe; To commit to investigating the Oklahoma City bombing cover-up is a major commitment of time and resources. There are many important stories we are not able to cover. Gavin; Excuse me? The Oklahoma City bombing story is not important enough for you to allocate resources to? I am certain that you are aware of the facts about the bombing that have been ignored by the mainstream media Joe, but here is a very short synopsis. The Oklahoma City bombing is in at least the top three most horrendous government cover-ups in the last 10 years or so. The government had prior knowledge of the bombing from their informant Carol Howe. There were no BATF agents in the building at the time of the bombing, (two clerical workers) one agent told Bruce Shaw, who was looking for his wife, that "...they'd been tipped by their pagers not to come to work that day." The government said a 4,
Re: [CTRL] The tyranny within
-Caveat Lector- Great article. Thanks for posting it. Gavin. Caveat Lector- http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/commentary-200092918712.htm THE WASHINGTON TIMES September 29, 2000 The tyranny within Paul Craig Roberts Tyranny is creeping up on us. If you don't believe it, consider the most prominent hallmarks of the Nazi and communist regimes, which sought to supplant democracy in the 20th century. In National Socialist Germany and the Soviet Union, there were no First Amendment rights. No one could voice an opinion contrary to the politically correct views enforced by the Gestapo and the KGB. Media and education were used to instill politically correct thinking and bring denunciation upon anyone who departed from politically correct thinking. This is precisely the situation that exists today in the vast majority of American colleges and universities. Verbal and facial expressions that are contrary to political correctness result in sensitivity training (a form of brainwashing) or expulsion for the offender, who may have done nothing more than laugh. If the source of mirth is an ethnic joke, a blonde joke or a hilarious claim by a multiculturalist, the hapless offender discovers that his constitutional protections do not exist. In Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, there were victim groups that were championed and oppressor groups that were suppressed. In Germany, the "victims" were Aryans, who were said to be under the financial hegemony of Jews. In the Soviet Union, the hegemonic group was the bourgeoisie, who allegedly held sway over an oppressed proletariat. In both countries, victims were permitted to exercise violent language and actions against oppressors. In the United States today, white heterosexual able-bodied males constitute the hegemonic group. Everyone else is a member of a victim group. In Germany and the Soviet Union, the abstract and imaginary group roles of oppressor and victim were given a frightful reality by ideologues. Race and class categories became the basis for discrimination and new legal systems that favored victims' groups with preferences. On American campuses, multicultural ideology has revived the concepts of race and class oppression, and added new ones based on gender and sexual orientation. Men oppress women, and heterosexuals oppress homosexuals. According to multiculturalists, our culture and values reflect nothing but the arbitrary domination of society by white heterosexual males. University of Pennsylvania professor Alan Kors says that, thanks to multiculturalism, "half a century after the defeat of Nazism, we distinguish by blood and we equate blood with culture." We now think like Nazis and explain our society and culture in terms of race (and gender) hegemony. Tyrannical states attack the family. Both the Nazis and communists are infamous for state intrusions in family affairs. In the United States, similar bureaucratic and political intrusions come from family courts. Most Americans are unaware of the existence of these relatively new "courts." Howard University Professor Stephen Baskerville is the leading authority on these courts. He says family courts are "the most dangerous institution posing a threat to constitutional rights in our society. The only parallels are the ideological-bureaucratic dictatorships of the last century." Family courts claim immunity from the Constitution and from scrutiny by federal courts. Mr. Baskerville describes them as follows: "Their proceedings are secret and unrecorded. Their orders are enforced by bureaucratic police who do not wear uniforms and whose sole responsibility is to conduct surveillance over families and private lives. As such, these police are akin to secret police. By the very nature of their jurisdiction, these courts and police are the most intrusive and invasive arm of government, and yet they are accountable to virtually no one. Such an institution is intolerable in a free society." Recently a family court judge ordered the parents of a 7-year-old boy in Berne, N.Y., to put their child on Ritalin, a behavior-control drug. The alternative was to be found guilty of "educational neglect," an offense that would open the possibility of their child being seized by Child Protective Services â a Hillary Clinton "village" institution straight from the pages of the Gestapo. The child suffered serious side effects from the drug, but parents no longer have the right to decide what is best for their children. Tyrannical states assault the individual in the inner recesses of his consciousness. He is not permitted to think certain thoughts or to express a prohibited thought privately to anyone. Recently, Janice Barton encountered a Spanish-speaking couple while leaving a restaurant in Manistee, Mich. She turned to her mother and said, "I wish these [ethnic slur] would learn
[CTRL] The Clinton Legacy
fwd.Gavin. From the Home of Rich Peggy Martin Grand Prairie, TX 75050 [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's nice to be important, but it's important to be nice. ___ INTRODUCTORY COMMENTARY Clinton Legacy: Most Convictions, Crookedest Cabinet, 31 Deaths The Progressive Review As the Democrats' torch (as well as their contributor lists and FBI files) is passed to Al Gore, we thought we'd bring you up to date on our Clinton scandal statistics. Please note that, much as with the Census, the collection of such data is a daunting task, made all the more difficult by the failure of the corporate media to show any interest in it. Notes: Some of the data have not been updated recently and thus understate conditions. In certain areas, such as anomalous deaths, the Progressive Review has used an extremely conservative count. It is important in considering these incidents to bear in mind the following: 1. The fact that anomalies need to be investigated further carries no presumption of how a death actually occurred, only that there remain serious questions that require answers. 2. The possibility of foul play must be taken seriously in a major criminal conspiracy in which more than two score individuals and firms have already been convicted and more than 100 witnesses have pleaded the Fifth Amendment or fled the country. 3. If foul play did occur in any of these cases, that fact by itself does not carry the presumption that the White House was involved. Given the footprints of organized crime, drug trade, foreign espionage and intelligence agencies on the trail of the Clinton story, such an assumption would be ill advised. The Progressive Review welcomes corrections and additions and plans to publish a more definitive version on the occasion upon the departure of the Clinton administration. It is also planning a list of those journalists and public officials who performed best and worst during this egregious period of American history. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. Administration Records Set - The only president ever impeached strictly on grounds of personal malfeasance - Most convictions and guilty pleas - Most Cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation - Most witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify - Most witnesses to die suddenly - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions - Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad Historical Context - Number of independent counsel inquiries since the 1978 law was passed: 19 - Number that have produced indictments: 7 - Number that produced more convictions than the Starr investigation: 1 - Median length of investigations that have led to convictions: 44 months - Length of Starr-Ray investigation (7/00): 67 months. - Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 15 - Median cost per Starr investigation conviction: $3.5 million as of 3/00 - Total cost of the Starr investigation (3/00) $52 million - Total cost of the Iran-Contra investigation: $48.5 million - Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5 - Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4 - Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3 Crime Stats - Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47 - Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33 - Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61 - Number of imprisonments: 14 - Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122 (9/99) Smaltz Investigation - Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15 - Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy):6 - Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million - Cost of investigation: $22.2 million through 9/99 - Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million - Amount Tyson Food still has in annual government contracts: $200 million - Reasons individuals other than Espy went free: Concealing knowledge of gifts to Espy and his girlfriend (1), providing illegal gratuities to Espy(4), illegally supplementing the salary of a government official (2), concealing receipt of illegal funds on
Re: [CTRL] The Clinton Legacy
I'll pass on hanging out with a rapist, among many other things. Gavin. In a message dated 9/15/00 7:18:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 9/15/00 2:09:05 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This country is on the edige of a race war and revolution Agit-Prop hyperbole Colleen...nothing more... What causes you to make such a statement? Here in Chicago I sense nothing of the sort and indeed I sense an odd admiration for Clinton and his legacy... Now is HE Illuminati? Is Bush?? Those things aren't worried about amongst the rank and file ANYWHERE, and that's a shame...but in the world that MOST people/sheeple reside, Clinton was a good president and IS a good man, and frankly I'd like to tip a few with him...he seems like a fun guy to hang out with...probably be as fun as hanging with BuKKKanan and CERTAINLY more entertaining than Cheney or the recently clean and sober Bush...but there's the thing, Bush/Cheney appear almost robotic in their "soberness" (if I may coin a word) and in that regard kinda' frightening...though Liberman isn't any better in that aspect...and unless you're camping out with Lil' Joey you better not expect much!!! Race war? Where Colleen? Not in anyplace I know of! (Save Rhodesia) Revolution? H, are you still buying canned goods from the Y2K hucksters??? Apparently you read their screeds too?? Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ***CANCER RACKET EXPOSE''***
See my website, it is dedicated to educating people about the endemic corruption within the cancer establishment. I am not a doctor. Neither am I advising anyone about treatment. What I am doing is informing people about what I have found out. Make up your own mind. My sole motive for undertaking this project is humanitarian reasons. I do not profit 1 cent from anything related to my cancer research. Please pass the information on, cancer touches the lives of millions of Americans every year. Gavin Phillips. http://www.geocities.com/freee80/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] **My Cancer Indu$try Expose' Website**
Hello all, After too many people I know contracted cancer and either died or went through hell with chemotherapy, I decided to really research orthodox and alternative treatments. What I have found is the $120 billion a year cancer industry is the bloodiest racket in the history of medicine. See my website. A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/freee80/"index/A Comments anybody? Thanks. Gavin. http://www.geocities.com/freee80/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Gas Embargo
Fwd. Americans, Take a stand a join millions of others who are tired of paying these outrageous gas prices. You've heard of the Gas out scheduled for the 28th. Well, Here's PHASE 2 -GAS EMBARGO AGAINST STATIONS. BEGINNING MONDAY JUNE 26 THRU FRIDAY JUNE 30TH DO NOT PURCHASE GAS AT ALL SHELL GAS STATIONS MONDAY JULY 3 THRU JULY 7 DO NOT PURCHASE GAS AT ALL AMOCO AND BP STATIONS MONDAY JULY 10 THRU JULY 14 DO NOT PURCHASE GAS AT ALL MOBIL AND EXXON STATIONS MONDAY JULY 17 THRU JULY 21 DO NOT PURCHASE GAS AT ALL SPEEDWAY STATIONS MONDAY JULY 24 THRU JULY 28 DO NOT PURCHASE GAS AT ALL CLARK AND CITGO STATIONS MONDAY JULY 31 THRU AUG 01 DO NOT PURCHASE GAS AT ALL THORTONS. THE HEAT FELT BY LACK OF CONSUMER BOYCOTTING WILL SEND THE MESSAGE THAT WE AS AMERICANS WILL NOT STAND FOR OUTRAGEOUS GAS PRICE GAUGING. PASS THIS ON TO AS MANY AMERICANS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. ORGANIZATION TIME IS RUNNING OUT! Read this article that points out price gauging by the oil industry. How much abuse are Americans going to take before we stand up for our constitutional and consumer rights? Americans educate yourselves about the oil industry's back-office misconduct depleting millions of your hard earned money. http://www.msnbc.com/msn/419464.asp Illinois State Legislatures just passed another gas tax that will become effective on Wednesday, June 28th. Illinois has the SECOND HIGHEST gas prices in the entire country (Hawaii comes in first). Hawaii is understandable due to the geographic location, but Illinois is located in the Midwest and there is not any valid justification for the sky rocketing gas prices for the state of Illinois. There is also no valid reason in which Illinois residents have to spend 1/3 of their paychecks each week for fuel. By 6/28/00 the cheapest Unleaded gas will be $2.49. Congress is even outraged with Illinois gas prices and the taxes are often compared to gas prices in Europe (Europe gas prices are the highest in the world $5.63 for the cheapest unleaded). There will be a state wide gas strike on 6/28/00. Please do not buy any gas on that date. Try to buy gas the day before and the day after. The residents of Illinois must make their voices heard, or gas prices will continue to increase. It is up to "YOU" to take this initiative into your own hands in order to make a difference. FORWARD THIS TO AS MANY ILLINOIS RESIDENTS AS YOU CAN! The Gas out method will definitely send a consumer message that we will not go silent into the night. Better yet, you should write letters to your elected state officials to demand investigation into these price gauging misconducts by the oil industry. If you don't no one will and silence is acceptance. As an American Taxpayer, we the people have a right to tax representation and government empowerment to preserve our rights. Taxation without representation is the message. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln You can fool some of the people some of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." -Abraham Lincoln Richard J. Durbin (D) - 1/03 267 Russell Senate Office Building Washington, DC 20510 (202) 224-2152 (Ed Greelegs) FAX Number 202-228-0400 Peter G. Fitzgerald (R) - 1/05 SD-555 Washington, DC 20510 (202) 224-2854 (Mike Cys) FAX Number 202-228-1372 George H. Ryan (R) - 1/03 Office of the Governor 207 Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-6830 FAX Number 217-782-3560 __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
[CTRL] Hugh Turley, Chris Ruddy and Vince Foster
erently incapable of finding another Democrat guilty of a crime. More serious was Turley's criticism of Ruddy in the area of the case that involved the witness Patrick Knowlton and his lawsuit against the FBI. Ruddy, in a number of public appearances, mentioned that Knowlton had been the first to see Foster's car in the parking lot of Fort Marcy Park (He continues to do it in his book, but we'll have more about the book later.). The fact that the car was an older model Honda than Foster's and brown instead of silver-gray by Knowlton's very definite recollection meant that the car was not, in fact, Foster's. It was Knowlton's insistence on his recollection that, he is certain, got him harassed by people he feels he can prove were working for the Federal Bureau of Investigation. To downplay that fact is to cover for the FBI in Turley's view. Ruddy also continues to insist that the FBI as an organization was essentially kept out of the Foster death investigation, but it is a major contention of Knowlton's suit, which he supports with numerous documents from the record, that the FBI was, indeed, deeply involved in the investigation, which means it was involved in and very likely orchestrated the cover-up every step of the way." End quote. Also see "Dreyfus 5. An edited e-mail of Dave Martins to me is below. I also e-mailed Hugh Sprunt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and Patrick Knowlton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) asking for their opinion. Hugh Sprunt said that he did not have any problems with Ruddy but said that Martin and Turley had expressed these issues to him. Knowlton wanted to know more about me and my motives. He did say that Hugh Turley is 100% honest in his opinion. I e-mailed Knowlton again but he is out of town frequently and I am not going to wait another week or ten days to obtain more information. That will do for the time being. My motives are to ascertain the truth about Chris Ruddy and Joe Farah. I know little about the Vince Foster investigation. What I do know has come from Ruddy. However, one diabolical government cover-up I am very familiar with is the Oklahoma City Bombing. I have noticed before that Newsmax and Worldnetdaily have virtually nothing on their websites about this incident. I always thought that they would get around to it eventually. They have not. To Jim Robinson I say this. I hope that you allow free and open discussion to flow on these topics. You have a great forum which allows people to voice their opinions on any subject as long as they abide by your very fair handed rules. Allow the salt water of honest opinion to scrutinize and debate these issues. Nobody should be put on a pedestal. Nobody is above criticism. I went on the Internet about four years ago. After a few months I found some of Ian Goddard's posts providing information contrary to the conventional wisdom about TWA 800 and the OKC bombing. He then renounced his position when pressured by the mainstream media. Immediately afterwards he resumed his position. Now he's telling us that the Waco FLIR isn't showing FBI gunfire. As far as I'm concerned he has zero credibility. Joe Farah and Chris Ruddy have staked a position for themselves on the Internet as gritty and tenacious exposers of government corruption. But Hugh Turley and Dave Martin are saying that Chris Ruddy has been, at the least, disingenuous in the investigation he is most famous for, the death of Vince Foster. What I do know for a fact is that Ruddy and Farah have ignored one of the top three most egregious government cover-ups in at least the last ten years. The overriding question of course is, why? I do not know, they don't answer my questions. As Mike Rosen says, "Criticism-even intense criticism-is not synonymous with hate. Criticism is the lifeblood of a free society. It is why we have a First Amendment." In my experience, the only thing censorship achieves is ignorance and dogma. Thanks Jim. In truth. Gavin Phillips. Dave Martin and Hugh Turley gave me permission to post these edited e-mails. [Turley] Gavin- You have asked a lot of questions. I will answer as many questions as I can below. I have attached a word file that you requested with my exchange with Chris Ruddy from August 1997. Mr. Ruddy never replied to my response to his message. I invite you to ask him again if he would like to reply. Hugh Turley Co-author of Failure of the Public Trust FBIcover-up.com Subject: Ruddy, Farah, OKC Bombing etc. Dear Hugh, Thank you for your reply. I read the sections on your website that you indicated. Do you have a copy of your Internet debate with Ruddy mentioned in David Martin's, "America's Dreyfus Affair": Is John Clarke or Patrick Knowlton able to verify the lies that Chris Ruddy spread about John Clarke? I assume they must know about this either from you or somebody else. What is their opinion about Chris Ruddy? What is David Martin's opinion about Ruddy? He did document dozens of inconsistencies in the Vi
[CTRL] Joe Farah (WND) Remains Mute/OKC Bombing
Posted to Freerepublic also. Gavin. I am sure that most of you are familiar with the Oklahoma City bombing. For those who need a reminder I have included some links at the bottom. I have followed this incident very closely. The governemnt/mainstream media story has only one use; to study how government disinformation and propaganda is manufactured, disbursed and disseminated by the general public. The government's story is a mishmash of lies, half-truths, misinformation, red herrings and whatever else they can do to try and obfuscate the truth. With a click of their heels, the mainstream media slavishly reports all this nonsense to the public, after adding their own twist of course. But, no matter how hard they try, the truth is always available to diligent researchers. The official story is of course, two men (only McVeigh on the day of the bombing) and a 'home-brew' ANFO truck bomb. (and 'others unknown') This production by the Clinton regime is one of the biggest disinformation coups ever perpetrated on the American people. The Oklahoma City bombing is one of the most Machiavellian orchestrated government incidents in several decades, in my opinion worse than Waco. I like Worldnetdaily and Joe Farah. He does a very good job, sometimes an outstanding job, in exposing the head to toenail corruption in the Clinton/Hillary/Reno dictatorship. One thing has stuck in my craw though, why is there nothing on Worldnetdaily about the massive government duplicity in the Oklahoma bombing? I ignored it. It must be an oversight, right? He'll get around to it. Or maybe I just wanted to believe that. When I heard about Hugh Turley's banning on Freerepublic for posting his opinion about Chris Ruddy, Joe Farah and Matt Drudge , I decided to ask Joe some questions. I e-mailed Joe Farah and asked him why he has ignored the bombing. Our brief correspondence is below. Hello Joe, A search of your website returned no in depth articles regarding the governments lies and duplicity regarding the Oklahoma City bombing. You tentatively place half a toe in with your article 'We knew this was going to happen' 2 reserve deputies testify about Oklahoma City bombing" which is unsigned. There is far more evidence of government prior knowledge than this. " The New American" http://thenewamerican.com/focus/okc/index.htm magazine has followed this case from the beginning and has pointed out in several articles the many large credibility gaps in the government/mainstream media version of events which is supposedly two men, one on the day of the bombing and a "home-brew" fertilizer truck bomb. There have been several good books published documenting the lies and cover-up in this incident, such as David Hoffman's' "The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror," Michele Marie Moore's "Oklahoma City: Day One," Jim Keith's "Okbomb! : Conspiracy and Cover-Up " Ambrose Evans-Pritchard's "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton" in which he dedicates about a 100 pages to the bombing. Yet nothing of substance on your site. Why? Curiously, Gavin Phillips. Joe Farah replies; We have a limited reporting staff, which NEVER regurgitates reporting by others. To commit to investigating the Oklahoma City bombing cover-up is a major commitment of time and resources. There are many important stories we are not able to cover. You cite much good work that has been done on this story. I agree. Would you have us plough the same ground? Or should we focus our efforts on reporting no one else is doing? We have chosen the latter. JF I reply; Hello Joe, My reply to your e-mail is below. Gavin. We have a limited reporting staff, which NEVER regurgitates reporting by others. Gavin; You are not saying that all of your stories are exclusives, are you Joe? In many of your articles I have seen similar information on other news websites, or via mailing lists that I am on. You can still give a different viewpoint and new facts on the same event. Where does regurgitating leave off Joe and citing work by others begin? Joe; To commit to investigating the Oklahoma City bombing cover-up is a major commitment of time and resources. There are many important stories we are not able to cover. Gavin; Excuse me? The Oklahoma City bombing story is not important enough for you to allocate resources to? I am certain that you are aware of the facts about the bombing that have been ignored by the mainstream media Joe, but here is a very short synopsis. The Oklahoma City bombing is in at least the top three most horrendous government cover-ups in the last 10 years or so. The government had prior knowledge of the bombing from their informant Carol Howe. There were no BATF agents in the building at the time of the bombing, (two clerical workers) one agent told Bruce Shaw, who was looking for his wife, that "...they'd been tipped by their pagers not to come to work that day." The govern
[CTRL] Ian Goddard the Schill
I've been very suspicious of Ian Goddard since he cowardly backed down from his position vis-a-vis TWA 800 about 18 months ago when interviewed by the mainstream media. He then resumed his position as if nothing had happened. Now he is telling us that the Waco FLIR footage are solar reflections when that scenario has been discounted by several experts. Edward Allard, Carlos Ghiglotti, a solar reflection report mentioned in "Waco: A New Revelation" and my own eyes. Goddard mentions the Vetor Data report which is worthless because they are not an independent company having close ties to the US government. A HREF="http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a392480c744aa.htm"Was Vector Data Systems Bought Off by the BATF? [Free Republic]/A http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a392480c744aa.htm According to Dave Hardy Carlos told him the protocols were wrong in the tests. A HREF="http://toogoodreports.com/spotlight/050900.htm"Toogood Reports | In The Spotlight/A http://toogoodreports.com/spotlight/050900.htm "I talked to him after the (British firm's) recreation, and his assessment was that it was pure junk -- the aircraft wasn't even at the right altitude, they didn't have the right procedures to verify that the sensor was functioning comparable to the one of April 19 (1993). (He said) the best thing that could be done with any resulting tape -- and this is before the results were known -- was to drop it in the waste can. ... End quote. Ghigliotti, who studied the tapes for hundreds of hours was adamant about gunfire coming from government agents. Gavin. A HREF="http://toogoodreports.com/spotlight/050900.htm"Toogood Reports | In The Spotlight/A Ghigliotti was hired by the House Government Reform Committee to review tapes of the Waco siege. He made headlines last fall by confirming that government troops fired into the church on April 19, 1993. "I conclude this based on the ground view videotapes taken from several different angles simultaneously and based on the overhead thermal tape," Ghigliotti told The Washington Post last October. "The gunfire from the ground is there, without a doubt." Ghigliotti said the tapes also confirm Davidians repeatedly fired at FBI agents during the assault, though he noted return fire came from the building only on the occasions when government tanks actually penetrated or demolished the walls. About 80 Branch Davidians perished that day, some from the fire, others from gunshot wounds. Goddards full of it. I e-mailed Goddard my remarks. Gavin Phillips. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Waco FLIR Reflections Date: Saturday, May 27, 2000 1:26 AM NON-GUNSHOT CAUSE OF KEY WACO-FLIR FLASHES DISCOVERED The Vector Data Systems report made no effort to explain how multiple rapid flashes several times per second could occur in fixed locations on the ground as seen in the 1993 Waco FLIR tape, which multiple experts say are gunshots. Recently I proposed this rapid-flash reflection machine as a non-gunshot causal theory for those rapid flashes: http://Ian.Goddard.net/waco/flir07.gif http://Ian.Goddard.net/waco/flir03.htm That reflection machine rapidly vibrates a 1 by 3 foot reflective panel up and down several times per second, simulating key flash sequences on the 1993 Waco FLIR. It isn't likely that such a machine rested next to Mt Carmel! Shortly after proposing that reflective machine I realized a far more probable causal hypothesis for the rapid flashes: the reflective panel isn't being vibrated by a machine, but by the free gale-force winds blowing through the scene that day, and thus the panel is flapping like a flag in the wind. Hypothetical scenario: an infrared-reflecting surface like mylar is attached to a board and a loose edge is flapping in the wind with a cyclic "flap rate" identical to the cyclic rate of key flashes on the Waco FLIR. The flapping reflective surface produces a rapid series of flashes in one fixed location as seen by the FLIR camera, resolving the rapid-flash problem without a machine or a machinegun. My plan was to acquire mylar and staple a segment edge to a board with a strong fan on it and see if I might be able to film it causing rapid flashes of visible light (and thus presumably also of IR radiation). However, that's no longer necessary: I just acquired the best version of the 1993 Waco FLIR I've ever seen, it's dramatically better than the copy I've had. To my complete astonishment, on the better copy a flapping panel about 1 by 3 feet attached to a fallen-down portion of gym wall is visible IN THE EXACT LOCATION THAT THE MOST INFAMOUS SERIES OF FLASHES OCCUR AS THE FIRE STARTS! That flash series is emphasized
[CTRL] The Removed Goddard Post
I've been very suspicious of Ian Goddard since he cowardly backed down from his position vis-a-vis TWA 800 about 18 months ago when interviewed by the mainstream media. He then resumed his position as if nothing had happened. Now he is telling us that the Waco FLIR footage are solar reflections when that scenario has been discounted by several experts. Edward Allard, Carlos Ghiglotti, a solar reflection report mentioned in "Waco: A New Revelation" and my own eyes. Goddard mentions the Vetor Data report which is worthless because they are not an independent company having close ties to the US government. A HREF="http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a392480c744aa.htm"Was Vector Data Systems Bought Off by the BATF? [Free Republic]/A http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a392480c744aa.htm According to Dave Hardy Carlos told him the protocols were wrong in the tests. A HREF="http://toogoodreports.com/spotlight/050900.htm"Toogood Reports | In The Spotlight/A http://toogoodreports.com/spotlight/050900.htm "I talked to him after the (British firm's) recreation, and his assessment was that it was pure junk -- the aircraft wasn't even at the right altitude, they didn't have the right procedures to verify that the sensor was functioning comparable to the one of April 19 (1993). (He said) the best thing that could be done with any resulting tape -- and this is before the results were known -- was to drop it in the waste can. ... End quote. Ghigliotti, who studied the tapes for hundreds of hours was adamant about gunfire coming from government agents. Gavin. A HREF="http://toogoodreports.com/spotlight/050900.htm"Toogood Reports | In The Spotlight/A Ghigliotti was hired by the House Government Reform Committee to review tapes of the Waco siege. He made headlines last fall by confirming that government troops fired into the church on April 19, 1993. "I conclude this based on the ground view videotapes taken from several different angles simultaneously and based on the overhead thermal tape," Ghigliotti told The Washington Post last October. "The gunfire from the ground is there, without a doubt." Ghigliotti said the tapes also confirm Davidians repeatedly fired at FBI agents during the assault, though he noted return fire came from the building only on the occasions when government tanks actually penetrated or demolished the walls. About 80 Branch Davidians perished that day, some from the fire, others from gunshot wounds. Goddards full of it. I e-mailed Goddard my remarks. Gavin Phillips. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Waco FLIR Reflections Date: Saturday, May 27, 2000 1:26 AM NON-GUNSHOT CAUSE OF KEY WACO-FLIR FLASHES DISCOVERED The Vector Data Systems report made no effort to explain how multiple rapid flashes several times per second could occur in fixed locations on the ground as seen in the 1993 Waco FLIR tape, which multiple experts say are gunshots. Recently I proposed this rapid-flash reflection machine as a non-gunshot causal theory for those rapid flashes: http://Ian.Goddard.net/waco/flir07.gif http://Ian.Goddard.net/waco/flir03.htm That reflection machine rapidly vibrates a 1 by 3 foot reflective panel up and down several times per second, simulating key flash sequences on the 1993 Waco FLIR. It isn't likely that such a machine rested next to Mt Carmel! Shortly after proposing that reflective machine I realized a far more probable causal hypothesis for the rapid flashes: the reflective panel isn't being vibrated by a machine, but by the free gale-force winds blowing through the scene that day, and thus the panel is flapping like a flag in the wind. Hypothetical scenario: an infrared-reflecting surface like mylar is attached to a board and a loose edge is flapping in the wind with a cyclic "flap rate" identical to the cyclic rate of key flashes on the Waco FLIR. The flapping reflective surface produces a rapid series of flashes in one fixed location as seen by the FLIR camera, resolving the rapid-flash problem without a machine or a machinegun. My plan was to acquire mylar and staple a segment edge to a board with a strong fan on it and see if I might be able to film it causing rapid flashes of visible light (and thus presumably also of IR radiation). However, that's no longer necessary: I just acquired the best version of the 1993 Waco FLIR I've ever seen, it's dramatically better than the copy I've had. To my complete astonishment, on the better copy a flapping panel about 1 by 3 feet attached to a fallen-down portion of gym wall is visible IN THE EXACT LOCATION THAT THE MOST INFAMOUS SERIES OF FLASHES OCCUR AS THE FIRE STARTS! That flash series is emphasized
[CTRL] Waco FLIR Reflections/Goddard the Schill
I've been very suspicious of Ian Goddard since he cowardly backed down from his position vis-a-vis TWA 800 about 18 months ago when interviewed by the mainstream media. Now he is telling us that the Waco FLIR footage are solar reflections when that scenario has been discounted by several experts. Edward Allard, Carlos Ghiglotti, a solar reflection report mentioned in "Waco: A New Revelation" and my own eyes. Goddard mentions the Vetor Data report which is worthless because they are not an independent company having close ties to the US government. A HREF="http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a392480c744aa.htm"Was Vector Data Systems Bought Off by the BATF? [Free Republic]/A According to Dave Hardy Carlos told him the protocols were wrong in the tests. A HREF="http://toogoodreports.com/spotlight/050900.htm"Toogood Reports | In The Spotlight/A "I talked to him after the (British firm's) recreation, and his assessment was that it was pure junk -- the aircraft wasn't even at the right altitude, they didn't have the right procedures to verify that the sensor was functioning comparable to the one of April 19 (1993). (He said) the best thing that could be done with any resulting tape -- and this is before the results were known -- was to drop it in the waste can. ... End quote. Ghigliotti, who studied the tapes for hundreds of hours was adamant about gunfire coming from government agents. Gavin. A HREF="http://toogoodreports.com/spotlight/050900.htm"Toogood Reports | In The Spotlight/A Ghigliotti was hired by the House Government Reform Committee to review tapes of the Waco siege. He made headlines last fall by confirming that government troops fired into the church on April 19, 1993. "I conclude this based on the ground view videotapes taken from several different angles simultaneously and based on the overhead thermal tape," Ghigliotti told The Washington Post last October. "The gunfire from the ground is there, without a doubt." Ghigliotti said the tapes also confirm Davidians repeatedly fired at FBI agents during the assault, though he noted return fire came from the building only on the occasions when government tanks actually penetrated or demolished the walls. About 80 Branch Davidians perished that day, some from the fire, others from gunshot wounds. Goddards full of it. Gavin Phillips. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Waco FLIR Reflections Date: Saturday, May 27, 2000 1:26 AM NON-GUNSHOT CAUSE OF KEY WACO-FLIR FLASHES DISCOVERED The Vector Data Systems report made no effort to explain how multiple rapid flashes several times per second could occur in fixed locations on the ground as seen in the 1993 Waco FLIR tape, which multiple experts say are gunshots. Recently I proposed this rapid-flash reflection machine as a non-gunshot causal theory for those rapid flashes: http://Ian.Goddard.net/waco/flir07.gif http://Ian.Goddard.net/waco/flir03.htm That reflection machine rapidly vibrates a 1 by 3 foot reflective panel up and down several times per second, simulating key flash sequences on the 1993 Waco FLIR. It isn't likely that such a machine rested next to Mt Carmel! Shortly after proposing that reflective machine I realized a far more probable causal hypothesis for the rapid flashes: the reflective panel isn't being vibrated by a machine, but by the free gale-force winds blowing through the scene that day, and thus the panel is flapping like a flag in the wind. Hypothetical scenario: an infrared-reflecting surface like mylar is attached to a board and a loose edge is flapping in the wind with a cyclic "flap rate" identical to the cyclic rate of key flashes on the Waco FLIR. The flapping reflective surface produces a rapid series of flashes in one fixed location as seen by the FLIR camera, resolving the rapid-flash problem without a machine or a machinegun. My plan was to acquire mylar and staple a segment edge to a board with a strong fan on it and see if I might be able to film it causing rapid flashes of visible light (and thus presumably also of IR radiation). However, that's no longer necessary: I just acquired the best version of the 1993 Waco FLIR I've ever seen, it's dramatically better than the copy I've had. To my complete astonishment, on the better copy a flapping panel about 1 by 3 feet attached to a fallen-down portion of gym wall is visible IN THE EXACT LOCATION THAT THE MOST INFAMOUS SERIES OF FLASHES OCCUR AS THE FIRE STARTS! That flash series is emphasized by Dr. Edward Allard in both "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" and "Waco: A New Revelation." This flapping panel in the same location as those key flashe
[CTRL] FDA Stops Cancer Kid's Alt/Treatment
4-Year-Old Fights for More Than His Life "The FDA is Killing Our Children," says mother. A HREF="http://www.cbn.org/Newsstand/stories/000504.asp"FDA, Friend or Foe?: 4-Year-Old Fights for More Than His Life/A http://www.cbn.org/Newsstand/stories/000504.asp By Joie Munda and Ken Hulme May 4, 2000 -- EXCLUSIVE -- A young boy fights for his life from an aggressive form of brain cancer. Has the FDA become his worst enemy? People continue to protest over Elian Gonzales. Why is it that no one is fighting over Thomas Navarro? Thomas is the 4-year-old son of Arizona parents Jim and Donna Navarro. He has medulloblastoma, an aggressive form of brain cancer. Recently doctors operated on the young boy to remove a golf ball size tumor. Without additional treatment, Thomas will die. What would you do if you were Thomas parents? Worse still, what you do if your child were suddenly struck with this fatal form of brain cancer? As his young life hangs in the balance, vital questions have emerged for Thomas parents, and by implication for the nation: 1. Which cancer treatments are best: The prescribed Food and Drug Administration (FDA) treatment of radiation and chemotherapy, with their dramatic and debilitating side effects? Or an experimental treatments (approved in FDA trials) with an high success rates and no known side effects? 2. Who has the right to decide which treatment is best for this 4 year oldor any child with medical options: the parents and their doctor, or the government? 3. Is the FDA always right in its policies and practices? The "Recommended Treatment" When Thomas was diagnosed with brain cancer in September of 1999, not surprisingly, his parents were devastated. But within days, surgeons had successfully removed the cancerous growth. As a follow-up, they recommended an aggressive cocktail of radiation and chemotherapy, a course typical for this type of cancer. Medulloblastoma takes just 45 weeks to grow a second tumor. If the first one has been removed, the second one is fatal unless the patient undergoes this type of "salvage therapy," as one study calls radiation treatment in children Thomas age. Initially, Jim was willing to trust doctors with the next step in his childs care. But, he soon became skeptical when no one would talk to him about what Thomas condition would be like after chemotherapy and radiation. And doctors were not willing to show the Navarros any survival reports of medulloblastoma. Thats when the Navarros learned some shocking news! "Every patient, which doctors have treated with radiation and chemo at his sons age, was 'either crippled or dead,' " says Donna Navarro. When Jim wanted to know the ingredients of the chemotherapy, the doctor said, "You dont need to know." That's when, "Our first red flag went up," says Jim. Later, Jim was assured by the radiologist that the side effects would be manageable. "He had listed skin redness, fatigue, nausea, vomiting, and loose stools and had me sign it," says Jim. The doctor leaves the room. About 10 minutes later he comes back and says, "Oh, Dad, by the way, I forgot. Hell also have fluid on the middle ear, hearing loss, memory loss, hyperthyroidism, low level hormones, spinal growth deficit, hyper-pituitarianism, secondary tumors, cerebral necrosis, and he went on down the list." Thomas doctors were unavailable for comment. The Journal of Clinical Oncology confirms the Navarros' fears. In a December 1999 study by St. Jude Childrens Research Hospital, "all patients lost cognitive function during and after [radiation] therapy." In fact, the summary went on to state that "all patients treated in this fashion with salvage radiation therapy have significant neuropsychologic deficits [including a significant loss in IQ]. Our experience demonstrates that medulloblastoma in infancy is a curable disease, albeit at significant cost." Suddenly, Jim and Donna realized their son could become an invalid, requiring a lifetime of care. Searching for an Answer As they began to turn a deaf ear to the radiologists, Jim and Donna worked feverishly to find a solution. Using the Internet, they spent thousands of hours becoming experts on their sons condition. They also made friends through online chat rooms with other families in similar straits. There they also learned of a clinic in Houston, Texas, that had been approved by the FDA to do clinical studies for certain types of cancer. Would this clinic provide the answer? Then, the unthinkable happened. Because the Navarros were unwilling to submit their son to traditional FDA approved treatments, doctors finally turned the family over to child protective services. The Navarros decided to flee the state. Theyve been living in a hotel in Houston for the past six months. There they located Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski, a medical doctor and cancer researcher. The Navarros found Burzynski to be candid about his successes introducing them to a thriving young man in college,
Re: [CTRL] fwd/ Celebrity Defends WorldNetDaily, Free Republic
In a message dated 5/25/00 11:45:17 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gavin, thanks for this, ya know WND headquarters is in Selma, OR. Went to their "compound," met Mr. Farah a charming fellow . . . but sadly to say . . . I believe to be an intel shill fraud. Yes, **very** disappointing, to say the least. The last two weeks I have been e-mailing a couple of people who seem credible and say that Joe Farah and Chris Ruddy distort facts and intentionally mislead people in certain investigations. I have had my doubts about Worldnetdaily and Newsmax before, but ignored it. I'll post my findings later next week. Gavin. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] fwd/ Celebrity Defends WorldNetDaily, Free Republic
In a message dated 5/25/00 12:02:34 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: May 25, 2000--As you know, I have written a series of articles about Free Republic, the putative "conservative" news forum on the Net. I have called Free Republic part of the phony opposition, a holding tank for guppies who are fed small pellets of approved truths. http://www.public-action.com/Pretenders/FR-Israel.html http://www.public-action.com/Pretenders/FR-Color.html http://www.public-action.com/Pretenders/HT-CR.html You can imagine my surprise when I received an e-mail from Geoff Metcalf, the celebrity talk show host on ABC-owned KSFO in San Francisco, California. Geoff's talk show is aired 10 hours a week, Monday-Friday, 12 noon to 2 pm. Geoff is also a columnist for WorldNetDaily. Can you imagine how busy Geoff is? He's big stuff. Yet Geoff took time out of his hectic life to send me an e-mail about my Free Republic commentary. He called what I wrote a "rant." Geoff Metcalf is not on my mailing list. He does not know me, and I do not know him. I wonder who forwarded my material on to Geoff, and what could have inspired him to spend his valuable time writing to a stranger, the author of a "rant"? You would not think he'd spend the time doing that, unless it was very, very important. In responding to Geoff, I agree with Hugh Turley: WorldNetDaily is part of the phoney opposition. First, Geoff's e-mail: === Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.121.49]) by carus.mspring.net (Mindspring Mail Service) with ESMTP id si3ie9.pr6.37kbpqs for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 16 May 2000 18:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earthlink.net (sdn-ar-020casfrMP215.dialsprint.net [158.252.248.217]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09809 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:21:07 -0700 From: Geoff Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: To: Carol Valentine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitTo: Geoff Metcalf [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Carol A. Valentine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: To: Carol Valentine Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bcc: X-Attachments: Carol, I just read what I think was a rant by you against Free Republic and others. Inclusive in the post were references to Turley's criticism of WorldNetDaily and Newsmax. The general tone was they are both 'shock absorbers' and somehow straw dog critics. I have had a long association with both groups and know both Joe Farah and Chris Ruddy personally. I don't know what Mr. Turley's complaints are, and sure, everyone has baggage.. HOWEVER, for what it's worth, I will tell you I have been writing for WorldNetDaily since January 1998. I have had complete freedom to explore and coment on whatever I want. I was among the first to write about Monica, Echelon, Y2K, Jim McDougal's death, various privacy issues, and the DNC questionable fund raising overseas. I have NEVER had a story spiked. The closest was concerns that were expressed about an inteview I did with John McMannus, but despite his JBS connection, the story ran. I can't speak to anything except MY experience, but I have enjoyed bridleless freedom. Robinson may impose restrictions you and others don't like, but theblessing and curse of the internet is you are free to establish, build and maintain a venue for specifically the sort of data Free Republic is apparently reluctant to post. Believe me I know all about management hobbles. I have worked for an ABC owned and operated radio station for five years and am now being replaced by Dr. Laura. Good Luck, --Geoff Metcalf Geoff: Re: "Free Republic: Israel Comes First" Geoff, I am so honored that you have written to me. I hear you are quite a celebrity on the West Coast, a famous talk show host on ABC's KSFO in San Francisco , as well as being a WorldNetDaily columnist. Yet you took time out of your busy life to drop a line to me, a perfect stranger, the author of an article you did not like, an article you call a "rant." Folks who are far less busy than you normally disregard "rants," especially those written by perfect strangers. You are not my mailing list. Someone must have forwarded my "rant" to you. Did the person who forwarded the piece to you suggest you drop me a line? Allow me to make a general remark about your position. According to: http://www.ksfo560.com/complexshowdj.asp?DJID=2349 ABC runs your talk show Monday to Friday, from 12 pm to 2 pm. That means you are given 10 hours a week airtime. ABC must really like what you have to say. It's highly unusual that a major network would feature a real, honest, true blue critic of
[CTRL] Hulda Clark on PBS
https://www.tonybrown.com/Tbprod2.htm A HREF="https://www.tonybrown.com/Tbprod2.htm"TONY BROWN'S JOURNAL/A 2308 "SELF-HEALTH: CUTTING EDGE SCIENCE OR QUACKERY?"(*Airdates: 5/5-5/11/00) As the cost of health care escalates, Americans are searching for preventive and alternative methods of treatment. In keeping with the series history of presenting cutting edge programs on health, this program features a rare interview with biophysicist and medical researcher Dr. Hulda Clark. In the first of a four-part series, Dr. Clark gives an overview of her research into the causes and cures of disease. #2309 "SELF-HEALTH: KILLING THE PARASITES AND CLEANSING THE BODY" (*Airdates: 5/12-5/18/00) Dr. Hulda Clark believes that the source of all disease is a combination of parasites, bacteria, viruses and pollutants in the body. On this program, Dr. Clark discusses her methods of finding and ridding the body of these substances. #2310 "SELF-HEALTH: HEART DISEASE, CANCER, STROKE, LUNG DISEASE AND DIABETES" (*Airdates: 5/19-5/25/00) On this program, Dr. Hulda Clark examines the first five leading causes of death in the United States. In this rare interview, Dr. Clark shares her research into the relationship between parasites, bacteria, metal and pollutants in heart disease, cancer, stroke, lung disease and diabetes. #2311 "SELF-HEALTH: KIDNEY DISEASE, LIVER DISEASE, BLOOD POISONING, ALZHEIMERS DISEASE AND AIDS" (*Airdates: 5/26-6/1/00) On this program, Dr. Hulda Clark examines another five top leading causes of death in the United States. She discusses her research into the causes and cures for kidney disease, liver disease, blood poisoning, Alzheimers Disease and HIV/AIDS. *Depends on the date the program is aired in a specific market. Please check with the local PBS station for exact date and time. Tony Brown's Journal Price List VIDEO 30-min. Video Cassettes: $29.95 (add'l cassettes $19.95) 2-Part Series: $44.95 (add'l sets $ 34.95) 4-Part Series: $89.95 (add'l sets $79.95) 90-min. docu-specials: $49.95 (add'l sets $39.95) Tony Brown Speeches: $29.95 AUDIO 30-min. audio cassettes: $14.95 (add'l cassettes $9.95) 2-Part Series: $22.95 (add'l sets $17.95) 4-Part Series: $44.95 (add'l sets $39.95) 90-min. docu-specials: $24.95 (add'l cassettes $19.95) Tony Brown Speeches: $14.95 *To receive tape discount, additional tapes must be ordered at the same time. A HREF="https://www.tonybrown.com/Tbprod2.htm"TONY BROWN'S JOURNAL/A A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hulda Clark on PBS
https://www.tonybrown.com/Tbprod2.htm #2308 "SELF-HEALTH: CUTTING EDGE SCIENCE OR QUACKERY?"(*Airdates: 5/5-5/11/00) As the cost of health care escalates, Americans are searching for preventive and alternative methods of treatment. In keeping with the series history of presenting cutting edge programs on health, this program features a rare interview with biophysicist and medical researcher Dr. Hulda Clark. In the first of a four-part series, Dr. Clark gives an overview of her research into the causes and cures of disease. #2309 "SELF-HEALTH: KILLING THE PARASITES AND CLEANSING THE BODY" (*Airdates: 5/12-5/18/00) Dr. Hulda Clark believes that the source of all disease is a combination of parasites, bacteria, viruses and pollutants in the body. On this program, Dr. Clark discusses her methods of finding and ridding the body of these substances. #2310 "SELF-HEALTH: HEART DISEASE, CANCER, STROKE, LUNG DISEASE AND DIABETES" (*Airdates: 5/19-5/25/00) On this program, Dr. Hulda Clark examines the first five leading causes of death in the United States. In this rare interview, Dr. Clark shares her research into the relationship between parasites, bacteria, metal and pollutants in heart disease, cancer, stroke, lung disease and diabetes. #2311 "SELF-HEALTH: KIDNEY DISEASE, LIVER DISEASE, BLOOD POISONING, ALZHEIMERS DISEASE AND AIDS" (*Airdates: 5/26-6/1/00) On this program, Dr. Hulda Clark examines another five top leading causes of death in the United States. She discusses her research into the causes and cures for kidney disease, liver disease, blood poisoning, Alzheimers Disease and HIV/AIDS. *Depends on the date the program is aired in a specific market. Please check with the local PBS station for exact date and time. Tony Brown's Journal Price List VIDEO 30-min. Video Cassettes: $29.95 (add'l cassettes $19.95) 2-Part Series: $44.95 (add'l sets $ 34.95) 4-Part Series: $89.95 (add'l sets $79.95) 90-min. docu-specials: $49.95 (add'l sets $39.95) Tony Brown Speeches: $29.95 AUDIO 30-min. audio cassettes: $14.95 (add'l cassettes $9.95) 2-Part Series: $22.95 (add'l sets $17.95) 4-Part Series: $44.95 (add'l sets $39.95) 90-min. docu-specials: $24.95 (add'l cassettes $19.95) Tony Brown Speeches: $14.95 *To receive tape discount, additional tapes must be ordered at the same time. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] MYTH OF EVOLUTION - EVEN MORE SCIENTISTS SPEAK OUT! - 2
Thank you. Gavin. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Myth of Evolution Quotes Re-Post Request
Whoever posted the 20 somes quotes discrediting evolution please re-post them, or e-mail me directly. Thanks. Gavin. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hugh Turley Responds To Freerepublic Banning
I e-mailed the message below to Hugh Turley regarding his being banned on Freerepublic. He replies. I also e-mailed Jim Robinson about him banning Turley. He replied with; See my comments on this thread: http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3916363d1443.htm You have to scroll down to read his posted remarks. My opinion is that he should allow Hugh Turley to post whatever he wants as long as he abides by the very few posting rules that Jim has in place. Let people make up their own minds. Gavin. Hello Mr. Hurley. My name is Gavin Phillips. The article below was sent to me via a mailing list that I am on. Were you censored from Freerepublic? If so, why? What do you think about Chris Ruddy's reporting regarding the Vince Foster death. Thanks in advance. Gavin Phillips. Mr. Phillips- Yes I have been banned from posting messages at Free Republic. Why? Well, that is a good question. My critics at Free Republic have charged that I "violated the rules" and accused me of ad hominem attacks on other members. Of course I cannot respond to my accusers since I have been banned. No evidence of these alleged attacks exists because I did not violate the rules. But a chorus of critics chant that I have a history as a "trouble maker" and that "everyone" wanted me banned. I know that I was banned for posting messages that revealed evidence that the conservative press and the alternative press (Drudge, NewsMax, and WorldNetDaily) are false critics. I posted messages demonstrating that Christopher Ruddy's reporting on the Foster case was full of errors and disinformation. I posted messages that showed the conservative press is no different than the "liberal media" when it comes to reporting the serious corruption that is proven at FBIcover-up.com Revealing the failure of our press, the entire press, including the "conservative press" is not tolerated at Free Republic. The Foster cover-up would not remain a cover-up without the silence of the ENTIRE press including Drudge, Chris Ruddy's NewsMax, and Joe Farah at WorldNetDaily. I introduced threads to discuss these alternative news sources when I was banned from Free Republic by Jim Robinson. (Broadcastser Rush Limbaugh is another good example of the false critic. Limbaugh's job is secure with the microphone to reach millions of people daily because he will never, ever mention FBIcover-up.com) Free Republic and other "guppy tanks" exist on the web to control discussion. They are necessary to maintain the illusion of the free society and free press that no longer exist. Citizens that stay on approved topics can post freely. Citizens that expose the illusion are isolated and falsely accused of being "nuts", "troublesome", and "disruptive". By the way, illusion and deception is my profession, I am a professional magician. I know Christopher Ruddy extremely well. Mr. Ruddy was a frequent overnight guest in my home and I worked tirelessly for him as a volunteer for a couple of years. I admired him, promoted him, defended him and chauffeured him around Washington. He would call me every week to ask, "anything new?" He was interested in my research of the Foster case. Eventually I would learn from my research that Mr. Ruddy was a false critic of the Foster case. Mr. Ruddy is a fraud and a fake and not to be trusted. The best way to understand him without spending years at his side and checking all the facts as I did is to read parts 2 5 of America's Dreyfus Affair by David Martin. Mr. Martin was also duped by Ruddy for a time. Mr. Martin undresses Christopher Ruddy in America's Dreyfus Affair parts 2 5. http://fbicover-up.com/dreyfus/dreyfus2.htm http://fbicover-up.com/dreyfus/dreyfus5.htm I appreciate your interest and I will gladly answer any and all questions you have regarding Mr. Ruddy or my exit from Free Republic. The action of Free Republic against me for the discussion that I introduced illustrates best what Free Repubic is all about. Regards, Hugh Turley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Co-author of Failure of the Public Trust FBIcover-up.com http://fbicover-up.com/ -- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] Is Chris Ruddy to be Trusted?
About a quarter way down http://fbicover-up.com/dreyfus/dreyfus2.htm Also see; http://fbicover-up.com/dreyfus/dreyfus5.htm The questioning, ironically, was set in motion by Ruddy's own questioning of the motives of John Clarke, the lawyer for the witness, Patrick Knowlton. Ruddy did not challenge the fact that Knowlton had been followed and harassed by a number of spooky and intimidating men on the streets of Washington, DC. He, in fact, was among those who had witnessed the intimidation and had reported on it (The remarkable and thoroughly depressing thing here for anyone who cares about freedom in America is that no one else reported on it. It was, however, well-reported in London.). But as the lawyer Clarke prepared a suit against the FBI (or, more precisely, individuals working for the FBI), whom he and Knowlton blamed primarily for the harassment (or were at least guilty as precipitators of a conspiracy to obstruct justice), Ruddy spread the word that Clarke was not to be trusted, making it very difficult for Knowlton to raise the funds necessary to push ahead with his suit. One of the people with whom Ruddy planted the seed of suspicion, in addition to this author, was the previously-mentioned document hound identified only by his E-mail address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (now "outed" in an electronic fit of pique by Ruddy as Hugh Turley). Turley, though made wary by Ruddy's warning, was not deterred from lending assistance to Clarke and found to his satisfaction that Clarke's motives were pure, astonishingly so it would seem for a modern American lawyer. Turley found in Clarke a bright and promising young attorney with the rare courage to do the unthinkable, to risk his career and stand up and "fight City Hall." Having satisfied himself as to Clarke's motives, Turley then, quite naturally, turned a gimlet eye upon the one who had mounted a whispering campaign against him, and decided that he did not like what he saw. What were Ruddy's motives, he wondered, in his trying to undercut Clarke, and what did that say about Ruddy's motives overall in being the only American journalist to pursue the Foster case on a regular basis? Turley's first concern was that Ruddy, working first for the New York Post, owned by Australian media mogul, Rupert Murdoch, and then for the Pittsburgh Tribune Review, owned by Mellon heir Richard Mellon Scaife, had intentionally played into the hands of those who would paint the government critics in the case as mere political partisans. Scaife was a noted financier of "conservative" causes and organizations, perhaps the most notable of which is Reed Irvine's Accuracy in Media (AIM). Irvine and AIM have taken the lead along with Ruddy in questioning the government's conclusions. Irvine is an unabashed partisan who had fiercely defended the Reagan and Bush administrations against almost all allegations of scandal, particularly those related to the Iran-Contra affair, and his organization continued to debunk any hint of government involvement in drug smuggling into Mena Airport in Arkansas. Ruddy did not help by implying that very nearly the worst thing about Kenneth Starr was that he had placed the Democrat, Mark Tuohey, in charge of the Washington Office of the Independent Counsel, as though a Democrat were inherently incapable of finding another Democrat guilty of a crime. More serious was Turley's criticism of Ruddy in the area of the case that involved the witness Patrick Knowlton and his lawsuit against the FBI. Ruddy, in a number of public appearances, mentioned that Knowlton had been the first to see Foster's car in the parking lot of Fort Marcy Park (He continues to do it in his book, but we'll have more about the book later.). The fact that the car was an older model Honda than Foster's and brown instead of silver-gray by Knowlton's very definite recollection meant that the car was not, in fact, Foster's. It was Knowlton's insistence on his recollection that, he is certain, got him harassed by people he feels he can prove were working for the Federal Bureau of Investigation. To downplay that fact is to cover for the FBI in Turley's view. Ruddy also continues to insist that the FBI as an organization was essentially kept out of the Foster death investigation, but it is a major contention of Knowlton's suit, which he supports with numerous documents from the record, that the FBI was, indeed, deeply involved in the investigation, which means it was involved in and very likely orchestrated the cover-up every step of the way. Finally, Turley is concerned that Ruddy is giving too much attention to his assertion that Foster's body was really at an entirely different location from where the authorities said it was, a position he shares with no other serious student of the Foster case (except this writer up until an extraordinary new revelation which we shall soon discuss ). Somewhere there must be a textbook dealing with the black art of propaganda in which the techniques are
[CTRL] Bill Clinton-Teacher/Humour
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[CTRL] Gun Control Useless/Look at England
http://www.jpfo.org/alert2325.htm March 25, 2000 Beretta Sub Machine Guns -- Only $320! (We Told You So) By Richard W. Stevens, Esq. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership When guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will sell guns. Exactly one year ago this column headlined "The $200 Machine Gun" We predicted that when guns become illegal to own and sell, then the criminal element would rush in to fill the demand. Thieves, smugglers and black market gun makers could supply machine guns for about $200 apiece. About three years ago, the British government all but outlawed private firearms ownership in Britain. Because one vicious killer used a firearm to commit multiple murders in 1996, victim-disarming politicians rushed to ban nearly all private gun ownership and possession nationwide. The result? According to the January 16, 2000 edition of the Sunday Times of London, "up to 3 million illegal guns are in circulation in Britain, leading to a rise in drive-by shootings and gangland-style executions." What are the prices of illegal guns? According to the Sunday Times, "a third of young criminals, [ages 15 to 25 with prior convictions], own or have access to guns ranging from Beretta sub-machineguns to Luger pistols, which can be bought from underworld dealers for as little as £200." ($320 U.S.) How do the guns get into the "gun free" island nation? The Sunday Times reported: "Criminals have maintained a steady flow of smuggled guns from eastern Europe, exhibition weapons reactivated in illegal "factories" run by underworld dealers, and guns stolen from private collections." As predicted, when ownership of all guns becomes illegal, the buyers will shift toward the higher power weapons. "There is a move from the pistol and the shotgun to automatic weapons," British Detective Superintendent Keith Hudson told the Sunday Times. British criminals have all the guns they want. The Sunday Times thus reported: "Detectives say modern weapons are fast becoming fashion accessories among young drug dealers protecting themselves and their territory." Are British people safer? Crime rates are soaring in Britain. The British Home Office, according to the Sunday Times, released figures showing that "overall, armed crime rose 10% in 1998" -- the year after national handgun prohibition began. Usually, when the government passes a law that causes problems for people, the citizens can petition the government to change the law. Gun prohibition, however, does more than just endanger citizens by preventing them from protecting their lives and loved ones. Gun prohibition damages the whole society by creating a huge opportunity for organized crime to prosper. Even if the prohibition law is later repealed, the organized crime elements might be entrenched with enough money and power to get into other legal or illegal businesses. Political corruption, started during the prohibition, likewise will not just disappear when the laws are changed again. The British example shows how the ultimate "gun control" will likely work in America. Criminals will get rich selling illegal weapons to other criminals, and ordinary citizens will suffer a violent crime wave. The national "instant check" system and the "Brady Bill" won#8217;t even matter. Americans must not give up their right to personal self-defense. We must not turn over the firearms industry to thieves and thugs. And we must not let Americans be so gullible as to believe the "dial 911" false promise of police protection, when actually we are legally responsible for protecting ourselves. (Get the facts for all 50 states from Dial 911 and Die -- available from JPFO and Amazon.com.) The facts are here. Do your part by copying this article and sending it to newspapers, public officials, candidates for office, and as many other folks that you can. Download this article from the JPFO website and e-mail it everywhere. Contact JPFO to join or order materials at www.jpfo.org, or call (800) 869-1884. (Annual membership dues: $20 U.S.) News Flash: The Bill of Rights, with basic explanation, is now available in Spanish on the website. Copy and pass it on to all Spanish-speakers! [ JPFO HomeAlertsBeretta Sub Machine Guns -- Only $320! (We Told You So) ] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to
[CTRL] Feds Jackbooted 4th Amendment-Farah
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." --Amendment IV of the U.S. Constitution Joseph Farah is editor of WorldNetDaily.com. Jackbooted thugs http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_btl/2424_xcbtl_jackbooted.shtml Give me the kid! Give me the f-g kid!" That's what it came down to on the Elian Gonzalez standoff Easter weekend. Brute force by the federal stormtroopers. Remember what Janet Reno had said about this case earlier. "... Not whether, but how best to reunite Elian with his father in the least disruptive manner possible." While that quote is fresh in your mind, take another look at the image of the military-clad, helmeted, rifle-wielding fedcop scaring the 6-year-old kid. Then I want you recall the words of the Immigration and Naturalization Service about its priorities in reuniting father and son: "... most importantly, measures to ensure that the transfer occur in a manner that is sensitive to the needs of Elian." "Least disruptive manner possible?" "A manner that is sensitive to the needs of Elian?" I think most Americans, no matter how they feel about where Elian belongs, recognize that the middle-of-the-night, armed raid to snatch him was dangerous, unnecessary, and probably, illegal. Has anyone seen the warrant yet? Why hasn't it been made public? There is even some question as to whether a warrant was obtained by the Justice Department. The authority for the raid may have boiled down to locked and loaded machine guns and overwhelming force. There may not be much familiarity with the 4th Amendment at the Justice Department. Or there may simply be no concern about it. After all, when was the last time someone from the Clinton administration actually paid any attention to the Constitution? There's another thing that bothers me about this raid. The proponents of removing Elian from his home in Miami contended that they supported parental rights. Yet, the demonstration of force by the federal government last weekend set a frightening new precedent for government authority over children. Let's face it. If you're not the right person to raise a child, the government will come take that child away - at gunpoint if necessary. Now you know why Bill and Hillary Clinton, the "children's rights" advocates, found themselves on the side of the Cuban father this time. Because Elian Gonzalez does not belong to Juan Gonzalez in the minds of the Clintons - anymore than he does in the mind of Fidel Castro. Elian is a ward of the federal government. He's a pawn to be used in a political objective involving Cuba - probably a relaxation of the embargo. But, remember, Bill and Hillary and their Children's Defense Fund friends do not believe parents actually have authority over their kids. For those, like my wife, who mistakenly see Elian's plight only through the lens of the rights of biological parents, how does it feel to have friends in your camp like Janet Reno, Bill Clinton and Hillary? How does it feel to have Fidel Castro on your side? With friends like that, you better rethink your position. A daily radio broadcast adaptation of Joseph Farah's commentaries can be heard at KTKZ in Sacramento and the Internet portal OnePlace.com E-mail to a friendPrinter-friendly version A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Government Didn't Fire Shots at Waco
Well, Ed Wolfe and Dick Reavis did warn us about this probability a while ago. Anybody who has any doubts about the flashes being gunfire should see "Waco: A New Revelation." It is outstanding. Gavin. Report: Agents Didn't Fire at Waco Waco Re-Enactment Looks Like Set-up By Ed Wolfe - Webslinger of Sierra Times.com February 19, 2000 The federal government is sick and tired of defending it's actions in Waco and has agreed to perform a re-enactment of the final events leading to the end of the 51 day siege on the Mt. Carmel complex on April 19th, 1993. Federal Judge Walter Smith, (Clinton appointee) has decided on a re-enactment which is tentatively scheduled to take place on March 18th or 19th of this year at Fort Hood, Texas. Judge Smith is currently presiding over a wrongful death lawsuit filed against the government by surviving members of the 7th Day Adventist sect commonly known as the Branch Davidians. The purpose of the re-enactment is to settle the issue of whether or not FBI agents fired at the house and the survivors on the last day of the siege. Critics of the government claim that house occupants fleeing from the mysterious fire ran directly into the gunfire of FBI agents instead of the relative safety they sought. The government maintains that not only did it's agents not shoot the survivors, but that they never even fired their weapons on that final, tragic day. Special Counsel, John Danforth, former Republican Senator from Missouri has been investigating the incident at Mt.Carmel and is credited with bringing about the re-enactment, which both sides hope will prove their case. However, anyone with average intelligence has to be curious about a few facts regarding the interpretation of the test results. According to the St. Louis Dispatch, John Danforth recommended to Judge Smith that a "British" company called Vector Data Systems should be the one to conduct the test and to interpret the results. VDS is reported to have former Royal Air Force pilots in it's employ, to be experts at interpreting infrared images, and most significantly, to be an "independent" expert that both the government and the Davidian lawyers can count on for impartial analysis. This is where something stinks in St. Louis. Vector Data Systems is not a British company, and as far as this writer can determine, never was. Although it may have RAF pilots in it's employ, that would probably be due to the fact that VDS has branches in the United Kingdom, Australia and Korea in addition to it's headquarters in Alexandria, Virginia. The company was purchased in 1997 as one of the first in a string of information technology acquisitions by the Anteon Corporation. Anteon Corporation, head-quartered in Fairfax, VA is not a British company either. Although it's possible that Anteon will be using it's British subsidiary of Vector Data Systems to conduct the test and interpret it's results, it is misleading to simply state that the independent expert is "a British company." Even more interesting is the fact that Danforth who is supposed to be seeking the truth, picked an unusual company to serve as the "impartial" arbiter of the test results. The Anteon Corporation is a very high tech, multi-million dollar company that gets a large share of it's profits from federal government contracts. And we're not talking about the British government either. Just last month Anteon signed a 2.2 million dollar deal with the General Services Administration to provide program management analyses and assessments for the United States submarine force. In December of last year, Anteon scored another $10 mil from the government till in a deal with the Veterans Health Administration. Two months before that, Anteon signed a 7.8 million dollar contract with the U.S. Coast Guard. September was another lucrative month resulting in a $43 million dollar contract with the U.S. Navy. Finally, topping the list is a $250 million dollar Blanket Purchase Agreement with the GSA to provide the federal government with critical infrastructure service as ordered in Presidential Decision Directive #63, penned by Bill Clinton on May 28, 1998. PDD #63 calls for the following: "...strengthening of the nation's defenses against emerging unconventional threats to critical infrastructures, the physical and cyber-based systems essential to the functioning of the United States economy and the government. These include essential government services, information and communications, banking and finance, energy, transportation, water supply, public health, law enforcement, and emergency services." Anteon, the parent company of Vector Data Systems, will provide services and products in the following areas: critical infrastructure asset identification; vulnerability and threat assessment; readiness and contingency planning; physical infrastructure protection; cyber security and information assurance; and emergency preparedness training, exercises, and simulation.
Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
In a message dated 4/19/00 9:32:30 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gavin Phillips wrote: Many excellent quotations. Darwinian evolution has been repeatedly discredited by several good books documenting the litany of missing chains (not links). It is the holy grail of mainstream science to think that they are able to explain the genesis of humankind. Evolution doesn't come close, but they will desperately cling to it untill they can conjure up another theory which allows them to explain everything scientifically. Darwiniian macro-evolution is a religion. It has never been observed or repeated in a laboratory. Total nonsense. Gavin. === This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen you write. I won't even bother to respond to such an absurdity, because to do so might lead some half baked idiot to think that there are two sides to this argument, when there is no argument at all. Whatever happened to your mind? Joshua2 Poor Joshua, have you already forgotten our little set-to a few months ago about disarming Americans, and trailed into a debate about Darwinian evolution. You are as ignorant now as you were then. There are two sides to this argument. One side is losing very badly. The Darwinian theory of macro-evolution is down and out-period. Phillip Johnson, author of many books on this subject replied to my email informing me that he has won every debate that he has had so far, many of them with University professors. Guess how he wins every time? Because Darwinian macro-evolution is complete and utter, unadulterated 100% BULLSHIT. Below is a partial reminder of our little tête-à-tête a few months ago. Gavin; I do not practice any type of religion. I do not beleive in the bible chapter and verse, the earth was made in 6 days etc. I know through reading several books on evolution that it is complete nonsense with only a few bones as "proof" that it happened. Joshua; This is entirely wrong. This is the pathetic defense of supernaturalists. Evolution is is a daily observable process. Also, you need to get yourself updated on the " Bones " issue. There are MANY almost complete fossil records to demonstrate the evolutionary process. I suggest you read " The Beak of the Finch " for a clear and recent demonstration of evolution at work. Gavin; You are completely wrong and really should do far more research into the glaring loopholes in your hypothesis before making an ass of yourself. There are obviously 100's of bones and skeletons of animals from millions of years ago. What evolutionists do not have, and they admit this, is the 1000's of transitional bones when one species changes into another species. As Phillip Johnson says in the article I have posted; "The most important is the fossil problem, because this is a direct record of the history of life on earth. If Darwinism were true, you would expect the fossil evidence to contain many examples of Darwinian evolution. You would expect to see fossils that really couldn't be understood except as transitions between one kind of organism and another... " "In reality, the fossil record is something that Darwinists have had to explain away, because what it shows is the sudden appearance of organisms that exhibit no trace of step-by-step development from earlier formsIn short, if evolution is the gradual, step-by-step transformation of one kind of thing into another, the outstanding feature of the fossil record is the absence of evidence for evolution." To try and get around this problem some evolutionists have proposed other theories which are just as ridiculous as gradualistic evolution. Richard Goldsmidt proposed the theory of "hopeful monsters" where one day a reptile would lay an egg and out popped a bird. Trouble is he would need another totally improbable event, another hopefull monster being hatched at the same time in the same area in order for them to breed. The other problem is that there should be thousands of hopeless monsters littering the fossil record. There are none. Harvard University's Stephen Jay Gould proposed punctuated equilibrium. Gould postulated that perhaps species remain in stasis (the same) for millions of years. Then only a few isolated breeding groups change into different species. As Milton says;; "The difficulty with punctuated equilibrium is that it is wholly speculative and has been introduced simply to account for the lack of fossils that ought exist in the neo-Darwinist theory." Once again, there is no concrete proof for either hypothesis. Not only books by Christian scientists, but books by scientists such as Michael Denton's, Evolution : A Theory in Crisis and the recent Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution by Michael J. Behe Assoc. Prof. of Biochemistry at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania in which Behe mounts an insurmountable challe
Re: [CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
In a message dated 4/20/00 1:44:16 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This primitive, superstitious blather is as off topic here as was abortion. It's an intentional diversion intended to distract us from our study of the truth. Go away and stop trying to disrupt our research. Gavin. If you don't like it, press delete. Besides, evolution is a fact. The empirical evidence is overwhelming. Get used to it. Gavin. No, it is not a fact. No, there is no empirical evidence for macro-evolution, which supposedly happened over tens of billions of years. Get used to that. Go peddle your religions on a religion list. This is not a religion list. Religion is disruptive. It doesn't belong on this list. Go away; take your superstitions with you. Leave us alone; we're trying to accomplish something here. You're in the way. There are two possible explanations for you prattling on about off topic subjects, one after another. (1.) You're exceedingly rude, or (2.) somebody pays you to disrupt conspiracy research. Either way, we're better off without you. Besides, there are plenty of places on the web that exist specifically for people like you and the flat earthers an the rest of your ilk to feel at home in. Go there. Reinforce each other's childish delusions to your hearts' content. Leave us grownups alone. Gavin. Start your own list, then you can censor away, otherwise follow your own advice, and act like a grown-up. Stop lecturing, nobody gives a shit. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The MYTH of EVOLUTION - SCIENTISTS SPEAK!
Many excellent quotations. Darwinian evolution has been repeatedly discredited by several good books documenting the litany of missing chains (not links). It is the holy grail of mainstream science to think that they are able to explain the genesis of humankind. Evolution doesn't come close, but they will desperately cling to it untill they can conjure up another theory which allows them to explain everything scientifically. Darwiniian macro-evolution is a religion. It has never been observed or repeated in a laboratory. Total nonsense. Gavin. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] URGENT --WACO 3 HOUR RADIO SPECIAL -- MONDAY 4-17 -- LISTEN ON ...
In a message dated 4/14/00 1:50:31 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ===RUMOR MILL NEWS AGENCY=== April 14, 2000 From Spiker --- A three hour radio special will be presented next Monday, April 17, 2000 on KOGO radio, 600 AM, San Diego California. Mike McNulty will be guest-hosting the Roger Hedgecock show starting at 3 PM PST, 4 PM MST, 5 PM CST, and 6 PM EST. Live call-in: 1-(800) 600-KOGO (5646) The Hedgecock show can be picked up on the net by going to Hedgecock's web site at: http://www.rogerhedgecock.com/ and hitting the "CLICK HERE FOR The YAHOO Broadcast" button. (Windows Media Player works best) Download the free Windows Media Player here http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mediaplayer/en/default.asp The show will be a Waco retrospective featuring the following scheduled guests: Dr. Fred Whitehurst , former FBI agent and narrator/host of Waco- A New Revelation. Mr. Michael Caddell, Branch Davidian civil litigation attorney, Mr. Bill Johnston, former U.S. Attorney who prosecuted the Davidian survivors in 1994 and recently resigned from the Justice Department in protest of the apparent cover-up of the Davidian tragedy. The second hour of the show will feature Mr. Farris Rookstool, retired FBI crime scene analyst at Waco, Mr. Bobbie Charles, Congressional Chief of Staff of the 1995 Congressional hearings, and Capt. David Brynes, the lead Texas Ranger that headed up the April 19th aftermath investigation. The third hour will feature noted journalists Lee Hancock of the Dallas Morning News, Mr. Richard Lieby of the Washington Post and John McLemoore, the KWTX reporter on scene as the gun fight broke out on Feb 28, 1993, that started the whole Waco tragedy. Callers will be welcomed in the second half hour of each 1 our segment. DON'T MISS THIS SHOW! Tapes of the program can be ordered by calling 1-(800) 600-KOGO (5646). The Uncensored National Rumor=== http://www.rumormillnews.com P.O. Box 1784Aptos, CA95001 831.462.3949 TelFax Check Out This Site-- http://www.dianaqueenofheaven.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Gordon Kahl Story?
Does anybody have any other information concerning this incident? Thanks. Gavin. Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 5:29 AM Subject: Gordon Kahl Story on TV From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a message from Joan Kahl that Discovery Channel will broadcast a special which may deal with the Gordon Yori Kahl case. "Headline Discovery: Evil among us" 7-10 pm Central time, Friday, April 14. Discovery (cable) Paul Stout IN CASE YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE GORDON KAHL STORY -- HERE IT IS -- READ THIS AND THEN WATCH THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL AND SEE HOW CLOSELY THEIR VERSION RESEMBLES THE TRUTH -- GORDON'S SON YORI IS STILL IN PRISON! From Rayelan -- I must confess that I am not as familiar with the Gordon Kahl story as I should be -- This version which was sent to me by "Pete" is very close to what I have been told -- there area some new things in it that I was not aware of -- If anyone who is more familiar with the story finds any mistakes here -- let me know and I will send out the corrections. R. THE UNCENSORED GORDON KAHL STORY Well it's tax time people ..and for those of you who don't remember.. or never heard the story ..I thought I might send this along for you to see just how enslaved we are .and what might happen if you fail to pay homage to your master The federal government. Pete THE UNCENSORED GORDON KAHL STORY In 1968, Tax Protestor Gordon Kahl stopped filing IRS 1040 Income Tax Returns. For 9 years thereafter, the IRS ignored him, but in 1977 after Gordon Kahl spoke on an evening radio talk show regarding the illicitness of the income tax, some 250 phone calls would come into the radio station over the next two days; either supporting Kahl in some aspect, or pledging never to file another tax return. And with that, the IRS came down on Kahl like a ton of bricks. They quickly assembled a case against him and two weeks later threw a criminal prosecution against him for violating Title 26, Section 7203 ["Willful Failure to File"]. Gordon Kahl was a low-income farmer not even meeting minimal statutory standards for threshold income levels achieved before being required to file 1040s, but that was not about to stop the IRS, who is good at changing the facts by creating facts. Convicted and incarcerated, when out of Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary on parole, Kahl left the Texas judicial district he was confined to by claiming that some aspect of the Restriction Orders was defective. He soon moved to North Dakota -- and there, he met his fate. A criminal Summons issued from a Federal Court in Midland, Texas was served on Gordon Kahl on August 8, 1980, charging him with a misdemeansor. Gordon Kahl responded by informing the Court that he would not be appearing, and the matter was allowed to be deferred until March 31, 1982, when the Justice Department obtained a Federal Arrest Warrant citing his parole violation. Then, that Warrant was held up again until July 26, 1982, some 16 months later, when it was sent to the U.S. Marshals Office in Fargo, North Dakota on February 13, 1983. The United States Marshals and the Federal Court in Texas knew of his whereabouts in North Dakota at all times. After a two and one half year delay in the case, the fact that there was a "problem" controlling the prosecution of the case is self-evident. If that chronology had been published in the New York Times in the context of discussing some other unfortunate incident that had happened, it would be referred to, very defensively of the Government of course, as mere "bureaucratic bungling," in an attempt to discredit the obvious interposition of the "Lateness of the Hour" operating against the Government to bar the legitimacy of their management of the case. Once again Gordon Kahl had attracted the attention of the United States Government. With the personality known as Ronald Reagan acquiescing indifferently as President, and with William French Smith sitting as Attorney General, the word came down the pipeline to GET RID OF GORDON KAHL, and the stage was set for the kind of confrontation the Feds wanted. A violent attack was planned against Gordon Kahl at his farmhouse, and it was going to be well publicized. The attack would be in the form of a roadblock, it would be in the evening hours, and it would occur in a remote rural area. The timing of the attack in February of 1983 was selected to coincide with the trials of other related criminal prosecutions then going on that would be favorably tipped towards the Government, as the Juries were exposed to what would be surfacing visibly on the news as the Gordon Kahl "incident." From his farm in Heaton, North Dakota, both Gordon Kahl, along with his neighbors, and the Chief of Police of Medina, North Dakota, Darrell Graff, all had received several advanced notices that the United States Marshals were planning a very unpleasant reception for Gordon Kahl, and in the case of Darrell
[CTRL] Reno's Dogs Won't Hunt
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_metcalf/19990906_xcgme_re nos_dogs.shtml MONDAY SEPTEMBER 06 1999 Reno's dogs won't hunt Long ago and far away, Euripides said, "Man's most valuable trait is a judicious sense of what not to believe." And he never heard of Bill Clinton, Janet Reno, or Chuck Schumer. ... Defenders of the indefensible can't understand why so many of us don't trust our government to be honest, fair, or reasonable. Gee, it is well documented our president has repeatedly lied; our attorney general is either incompetent, or chin deep in multiple, major cover ups; Congress had displayed the strength of a cobweb in a tornado; and chronic violation of oaths has become standing operating procedure. Twenty-nine members of Congress have been accused of spousal abuse, seven have been arrested for fraud, 19 have been accused of writing bad checks, 117 have bankrupted at least two businesses, three have been arrested for assault, 71 have credit reports so bad they reportedly can not qualify for a credit card, 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges, eight have been arrested for shoplifting, 21 are current defendants in lawsuits, and just in 1998, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released after they claimed congressional immunity. Such are the men and women who have sworn a sacred oath to "... preserve and protect the Constitution. ..." The unnecessary tragedy of Waco is unraveling like a cheap rug. Janet Reno is metamorphosing from "I take full responsibility" to "Gosh, my subordinates lied to me. ... It's not really MY fault." Reno's pursuit for the truth of Waco is rivaled only by O.J.'s search for the "real" killers of Nicole and Ron. So how come a federal judge was required to resolve a dispute with the Texas Rangers over evidence? As the New York Times reported, "A federal judge was forced to intervene Friday after federal officials tried to block Texas Rangers from entering a Waco storage facility to search for evidence that pyrotechnic devices were fired at the Branch Davidian complex. That brief skirmish came the same day FBI officials in Washington released the second of two newly discovered aerial videotapes that include conversations between FBI commanders about the use of combustible teargas canisters." Janet Reno should resign, be fired "with prejudice," impeached for either incompetence or conspiracy, or sued under Title 18, Chapter 13, Section 242, which addresses the subject of deprivation of rights under color of law: Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death. The above is not the rantings of any radical right wing nut -- it is verbatim from United States Code Title 18, Chapter 13, Section 242. Gosh oh gee golly ... maybe it's just me, but it does kind of sound like it was specifically written for the kind of gross abuse of power under the color of authority that resulted in the Waco tragedy. Last week the FBI finally uncovered a Feb. 15, 1996 internal memo acknowledging they DID use a few military gas rounds. An anonymous FBI mouth said the memo stated no military teargas was fired "directly" at the compound "due to the potential for causing a fire." According to the General Accounting Office, the FBI had 50 40mm "illumination rounds" (flares) and 250 40mm "high explosive" rounds from the U.S. Army. What the hell was the FBI doing with H-E (high explosive rounds)? One official who spoke only on the condition he would not be identified said, "But why they had the H-E rounds, I don't know. ..." Reno is now trying on the hat of victim. She said, "What I asked for were assurances -- and I received assurances -- that we would not use incendiary devices or pyrotechnic means of delivering incendiary devices." According to a tape released last Thursday, a radio transmission in which the FBI's
Re: [CTRL] child pronography Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Janet Reno would curb press free.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Better get a bigger dictionary. According to my Illustrated Encyclopedic Dictionary, Boogiemen are hobgoblin's or a terrifying specter. I never bother to point out peoples typo's or invented words, but in your case I was trying to make a point. Unfortunately, you do not seem to be able to understand it. If you want to know how much evidence Jack Thompson has, e-mail him or write him a letter, both addresses have been widely distributed on the Internet. Gavin. You're damn right it is. Except it's spelled "bogeyman." The derivation is Scots. Look it up. Radar "bogeys" derive from the same source. It's a kind of Scots ghost. "Boogie" is derived from the African word "m'bugi," best known as part of a phrase imported to the States from the Congo basin, "m'bugi m'vugi" which means "to take off your clothes to have a party." In America this mutated into "boogie woogie," a piano style noted for its syncopated left hand. Now let's talk political history and leave the grammar for a listserv devoted to grammar. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Unintended Conseqeunces pgs. 337 and 338
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Great book. Authors a nice guy too. Gavin. From: Ed Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [piml] "Unintended Conseqeunces" pgs. 337 and 338 Rec'd from: Patricia Neill mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] In light of current events, the following excerpt from Ross' book merits your reflection. The quote is from "Unintended Consequences" pages 337 and 338: "A woman is confronted by a big, strong, stranger. She doens't know what he's planning, and she's cautious. Getting away from him is not possible. They're in a room and he's standing in front of the only way out, or she's in a wheelchair - whatever. Leaving the area is not an option. "So now he starts to do things she doesn't like. He asks her for money. She can try to talk him out of it, just like we argue for lower taxes, and maybe it will work. If it doesn't, and she gets outvoted, she'll probably choose to give to give it to him instead of getting into a fight to the death over ten dollars. You would probably choose to pay your taxes rather than have the police arrive to throw you in jail. "Maybe this big man demands some other things, other minor assaults on this women's dignity. When should she claw at his eyes or shove her ballpoint pen in his throat? When he tries to force her to kiss him? Tries to force her to let him touch her? Tries to force her to have sex with him?" Henry took a deep breath and shrugged. "Those are questions that each woman has to answer for herself. There is one situation, though, where I tell women to fight to the death. That's when the man pulls out a pair of handcuffs and says, 'Come on, I promise I won't hurt you, this is just so you won't flail around and hurt either of us by accident. Come on, I just want to talk, get in the van and let me handcuff you to this eyebolt here, and I promise I won't touch you. I'm not asking you to put on a gag or anything, and since you can still scream for help, you know you'll be safe. Come on, I got a full bar in here, and color TV, and air-conditioning, great stereo, come on, just put on the cuffs.' "I tell women that if that ever happens, maybe the man is telling the truth, and maybe after talking to her for a while he'll let her go and she will have had a good time drinking champagne and listening to music. But if she gets in the van and puts her wrists in the handcuffs, she has just given up her future ability to fight, and now it is too late." Henry realized he had been making eye contact with all the other people in the lecture hall, just as he did when he taught a course. Now he looked directly at the professor. "How do you spot the precise point where a society is standing at the back of the van and the State has the handcuffs out?" A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [RuMills] FIRST GUN CONTROL THEN GENOCIDE
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FIRST GUN CONTROL THEN GENOCIDE Soviet Union established gun control in 1929. From 1929 to 1953, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. *Turkey established gun control in 1911. From 1915 to 1917 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. *China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1976 20 million Anti-Communists, Christians, political dissidents and pro-reform groups, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. *Germany established gun control in 1938. From 1939 to 1945 13 million Jews, Gypsies, mentally ill people and other "mongrelized peoples," unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. *Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. *Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. *Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977 1 million "educated people," unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and executed. If you were adding them up, that amounts to more than 55 million innocent people who were slaughtered by their own governments - governments that had first rendered their citizens defenseless by restricting or confiscating their firearms. Freedom-loving people are at far more risk from their own government than from all the Ted Bundys and Al Capones of the world combined! A free man with a firearm has a fighting chance against any would-be gangster or criminal. On the other hand, an unarmed man has no chance at all against an oppressive, tyrannical government. Remember this the next time you hear the New World Order Gang, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Bill Bradley and G.W. Bush touting the virtues of more gun control. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] child pronography Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Janet Reno would curb press free.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Either he is lying through his teeth and risking his livelihood, credibility and a massive lawsuit by Reno, or what he has repeatedly stated is true and he does have a substantial amount of evidence to back up his statements Either way, it's hearsay. Gavin; Wrong. He has evidence, which must be very strong otherwise he would not be risking his career and financial ruin for saying it. Which again raises the point I made previously which you conveniently ignored, and that is, why hasn't Reno sued him for slander and libel? Good question. Maybe she has a competent lawyer. Gavin; That is right. She knows he speaks the truth and can prove it. North: Janet Reno uses call girls? (1.) If she uses call girls, so what? Prostitution is a job like any other. It's no different than hiring a masseur or a psychotherapist. (2.) Ollie North is a liar. He lied to Congress. He lied to the American people. He was deeply involved at a command level in the running of cocaine and the arming of death squads during the Contra war. He has a lot of damn gall to criticize anybody, even Reno, for as harmless an act as hiring a prostitute. Gavin 1. If you see nothing wrong with the Attorney General using prostitutes then we are poles apart on what we expect morally and ethically from very highly placed government officials. 2. Such an outburst, which has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. Better read it again. North was only asking a question, *Jack Thompson* is the one stating Reno uses call girls. I've posted it again below to help jog your memory. Nice try at changing the subject though. North: Janet Reno uses call girls? Thompson: Ollie, let me tell you something. I've welcomed Janet Reno to sue me for the last decade while I've said these things, and more importantly, the Florida Bar - which is filled with politically correct [people], some of them her campaign contributors in the race she ran against me. The Florida Bar has every reason to disbar me if I am not telling the truth. I've put my law career on the line by making these allegations. But I have the proof. And I have people independent of me that can prove this." The Bush administration, for all it's corruption, can hardly be blamed for the Waco atrocity. They set it up. Gavin; Once again. The Bush administration, for all it's corruption, can hardly be blamed for the Waco atrocity. I'm not extricating law-enforcement from their culpability in this appalling mass murder, but they are the foot soldiers and take their orders from Clinton and Reno. That was Eichmann's excuse. Gavin; I'm not getting through. I'll try again. I'm not extricating law-enforcement from their culpability in this appalling mass murder, but they are the foot soldiers and take their orders from Clinton and Reno. I am fully aware of many of America's past despicable acts. That does not change or belittle Janet Reno, Bill and Hilary Clinton's positions in the hall of infamy's top 10 most evil people in American politics in the last 60 years. Reno's soldiers killed 89 people at Waco. Pol Pot's soldiers, with the blessings and assisstance of the American government killed half the population of Cambodia. Surely you can't mean they are equals. Gavin; Comparing the depravity of people based on how many they are responsible for killing is a useless exercise. Hitler killed more people than Ted Bundy, Stalin killed more than Pinochet. So what? They are all savage mass murderers. Reno is not equal in body count but she is equally corrupted. You think that she draws any moral boundaries on how much corruption or how many murders are okay? Once again, she holds one of the most powerful positions in our government now and deserves close scrutiny. As important as history is, they are implementing their agendas here and now so they should be scrutinized as closely as possible. History is a continuum. What's happening now is happening because of things that happened in the past. No exceptions. Gavin; You are stating the obvious which is of no use. Let me reiterate. As important as history is, they are implementing their agendas here and now so they should be scrutinized as closely as possible. I have no idea who John Mitchell is. Then you have a lot of damn gall to be lecturing us about politics. Go back to school. Learn what you are talking about. Then lecture us about politics. Gavin; I'm not lecturing anybody, you are, I'm stating my opinion. We are all ignorant of many things, but instead of enlightening people you choose to denigrate them while trying to make cheap points. Indicative of a pitiful character. The three most egregious cover-ups during Clinton's tenure are Waco, The Oklahoma City bombing and TWA 800. These mark his presidency at least in the top 3 as the most corrupted in American history, in my opinion. You don't even know who John Mitchell was
[CTRL] IRS Will Evict 80 Year Old Couple
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 3/16/00 4:24:33 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/2315_xnjdo_irs_to_evi.shtml WEDNESDAY MARCH 15 2000 THE POWER TO DESTROY IRS to evict elderly couple Foreclosure on 80-year-olds' home for non-payment of taxes By Jon E. Dougherty © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com The Internal Revenue Service has threatened to evict an infirm elderly couple from their home of many years for non-payment of back taxes that the couple says they don't owe. On Feb. 25, U.S. District Court Judge James B. Zagel ruled in favor of the government, despite his legal authority to rule out the IRS' conviction request because of the couple's special medical conditions. Mr. and Mrs. Paul Stout of Chicago, 81 and 82 years old respectively, were not represented by legal counsel because they couldn't afford it, they told WorldNetDaily. The Stout's "foreclosure suit" stemmed from an IRS lien "covering taxes from 1973 through 1980," Mr. Stout told WND, and was "affirmed by the tax court and supposedly assessed in 1982." The taxes allegedly owed, Stout said, including penalties and interest, amount to around $500,000. "This is much more than my entire cash flow for the years in question. The value of our home is also much less than this," he said. However, what most frustrates the couple, Mr. Stout said, was the hypocrisy and confusion built into the IRS codes. On the one hand, IRS code forbids the agency from assigning a levy to "a principal residence." But on the other hand, said Stout, "the IRS district director and others are given the power to levy, under IRS Code 6334(e)(1) anyway." Also, Judge Zagel "admitted that my wife was an 'innocent spouse' under IRS codes, and that he had the power to stop the eviction to protect her, but he did not," Stout said. Finally, according to the Illinois resident, the IRS repeatedly refused to produce a required "assessment" of lien during his motions for discovery during his court case. "The Court refused to compel them to produce," Stout said, adding that Zagel also "refused to consider my motions to produce a lawful assessment and to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction. "The Court simply wouldn't let me file," Stout told WorldNetDaily. Worse, he added, "in the absence of a lawful assessment, the Court does not have subject matter jurisdiction or a claim upon which relief can be granted, or to make any rulings." Stout said he believes both the court and the IRS have taken a hard-line approach with him because he said he has been "labeled an illegal tax protestor, a designation made unlawful by Congress" a few years ago. "I understand that the government will move the court for an order evicting us on a 'day certain,' but I don't know the timing," he said. Stout said the IRS had made him a compromise offer of about ten percent of what he allegedly owes. "The IRS might accept an offer in compromise of about $50,000, which I don't have," he said. "An attorney offered to do it for fees of about $20-25,000, which I don't have either." The whole case, said the Illinois man, amounted to a series of "catch-22s." IRS officials did not return phone calls seeking comment on the case. The ordeal has the Stouts particularly worried because neither of them are in good health. Citing a list of health problems Mrs. Stout has, ranging from aortic aneurysms to celiac sprue -- "a condition where the body cannot tolerate any gluten from wheat, oats, barley or other sources," Mr. Stout said -- the couple had hoped the IRS Taxpayer Advocate would end the case because of their medical hardships. "According to IRS code," Stout said, "the advocate or ombudsman could stop this eviction in cases of hardship [IRC 7811(a),(b)], but the district director and many others can overrule his order anyway [IRC 7811(e)]." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
[CTRL] child pronography Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Janet Reno would curb press free.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- The proof is widespread. The most flagrant comes from repeated statements by attorney Jack Thompson about Janet Reno's sexual depravity and alcoholism. Hearsay. Inadmissable. Gavin; Baloney. Thompson has collected a large amount of evidence regarding Reno's sexual predilections and alcoholism from when he worked in Florida and she was State Attorney. He publicly accused her of not investigating a child pornography ring when they threatened to expose her lesbianism. Either he is lying through his teeth and risking his livelihood, credibility and a massive lawsuit by Reno, or what he has repeatedly stated is true and he does have a substantial amount of evidence to back up his statements Which again raises the point I made previously which you conveniently ignored, and that is, why hasn't Reno sued him for slander and libel? As Thompson says in an interview published in Worldnetdaily North: Janet Reno uses call girls? Thompson: Ollie, let me tell you something. Ive welcomed Janet Reno to sue me for the last decade while Ive said these things, and more importantly, the Florida Bar which is filled with politically correct [people], some of them her campaign contributors in the race she ran against me. The Florida Bar has every reason to disbar me if I am not telling the truth. Ive put my law career on the line by making these allegations. But I have the proof. And I have people independent of me that can prove this. Also see Michael Rivero's article at; www.accessone.com/~rivero/POLITICS/ARTICLES/RENO.html She is responsible for the Waco tragedy and FBI/ATF orchestrated mass murder. She was partly responsible. Ultimately, the blame lies with Clinton as ranking official at the time. However, we must remember that the Waco situation was set up during the Bush administration and was carried out, not by politicians, but by law enforcement. Gavin; The Bush administration, for all it's corruption, can hardly be blamed for the Waco atrocity. Yes, Clinton is responsible, as is Janet Reno for doing exactly what Clinton wanted. I'm not extricating law-enforcement from their culpability in this appalling mass murder, but they are the foot soldiers and take their orders from Clinton and Reno. Reno does whatever is necessary to keep Clinton in power, because that is how she remains in power. She is one of the most repugnant and rapacious human beings I have ever come across. She's certainly repugnant and rapacious. But there are many worse. Gavin; No there are not. She has no conscience or vestige of human decency. She is at the mercy of her own foul desires and vices and will do whatever is asked of her. She would gladly have piled the Jews into the trains going to Treblinka and Dachau. Bill, Hilary and Reno has to be one of the most nefarious alliances in American history. Of recent, public history, yes. But there are far more nefarious alliances, not all of them public. This one is just in the news a lot. But compare it to the US intelligence community's Paperclip embrace of Nazi science after WWII, it's ongoing alliance with the narco-fascistas and death squads of Latin America or the State Department's years of military and financial support for Pol Pot. Compare it to the long standing and ongoing use of the public as mind control and bio-war guinea pigs. Get a sense of porportion. Gavin; I am fully aware of many of America's past despicable acts. That does not change or belittle Janet Reno, Bill and Hilary Clinton's positions in the hall of infamy's top 10 most evil people in American politics in the last 60 years. As important as history is, they are implementing their agendas here and now so they should be scrutinized as closely as possible. Reno's litany of perfidy and covering Clinton's ass whilst Attorney General is well documented and is blatantly obvious to anybody but the incurably ignorant. No question about that. But it's nothing new. Remember John Mitchell? Gavin; I have no idea who John Mitchell is. Just because it is nothing new does not mean I will stand idly by and say, owe, so-and-so was far worse back in the 70's. The three most egregious cover-ups during Clinton's tenure are Waco, The Oklahoma City bombing and TWA 800. These mark his presidency at least in the top 3 as the most corrupted in American history, in my opinion. This is the nature of politicians and their flunkies. To expect better is nieve. Gavin; Not to work to make it better is to quit. I will choose my way, you choose yours. Rather than focus on individuals in power we would do better to focus on the system itself. Gavin; If the most powerful individuals are totally corrupted, it is better to focus on them. They are making the laws and policy's. It is the system that is the real enemy because it is the system that give scum like this the
Re: [CTRL] The Black Book
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Thank you for informing me about this book. It looks excellent. Gavin. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] child pronography Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Janet Reno would curb press free.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Reno is an alcoholic, depraved pedophile herself. And the proof of this is? The proof is widespread. The most flagrant comes from repeated statements by attorney Jack Thompson about Janet Reno's sexual depravity and alcoholism. (more information posted to CTRL by Richard Sampson) He was on the cover of February 1999 Media Bypass magazine and again repeated these statements. Also in that article Miami police chief Ken Harms is quoted as saying; "Janet Reno is not qualified to be even an Assistant State Attorney, let alone the (Chief)State Attorney in Florida, or Attorney General of the United States." Ken Harms was never called to testify. Jack Thompson states in Pat Shannan's February 1999 Media Bypass article; "Jack Thompson goes further and publicly accuses Janet Reno of suppressing at least five DUI arrests of her own in her home county. One female cop stopped Reno's car after it was seen weaving down the road. The officer was shocked to see that the driver was none other than the icon of the court, Janet Reno, with her shoes removed, stockings torn, and vomited food stains covering the front of her dress.." "A Fort Lauderdale police officer found Janet Reno with an underage girl in the back seat of a car at the Galleria Mall. He, also, was never called to testify at the Senate hearings..." As he often says, the Florida bar has never disbarred him (although he sued them for one reason or another and won about $20,000) and Reno remains mute. He publicly accuses her of the most serious charges and she does not sue him for libel and slander? Go to www.newsmax.com and put Janet Reno in the search engine and it will return hundreds of articles. Reno was hand picked by Hilary and Bill exactly because of her pedophilia. She obsequiously serves Bill and Hilary and is the linchpin which has kept those two totally corrupted and nihilistic grifters in the Whitehouse for seven years. Larry Klayman said in a Worldnetdaily article by Stephen Archer; "...I am appalled and sickened by the misconduct of the Justice Department during the Clinton administration." She is responsible for the Waco tragedy and FBI/ATF orchestrated mass murder. She is one of the most repugnant and rapacious human beings I have ever come across. Bill, Hilary and Reno has to be one of the most nefarious alliances in American history. Reno's litany of perfidy and covering Clintons ass whilst Attorney General is well documented and is blatantly obvious to anybody but the incurably ignorant. Below is a Chris Ruddy article if you are interested. Analysis: Janet Reno -- the Cornerstone of the Clinton Cover-ups Christopher Ruddy June 14, 1999 Miami -- In the middle of the Chinagate scandal maelstrom sits U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno. Already several top lawmakers have called for her to resign. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said Reno has managed "probably the most disgraceful Justice Department since the Teapot Dome scandal of 1923 when the attorney general had to resign because of corruption." Reno's efforts to cover-up for Chinagate, the Clinton's scandal du jour, are legion. But one fact stands out above all others: Reno refused to authorize a wiretap request in 1997, when the FBI wanted to monitor Los Alamos espionage suspect Wen Ho Lee. According to Investor's Business Daily, this was the only wiretap request she denied out of almost 2,700. Even before the Chinese nuclear espionage allegations shook the political landscape, Reno had been covering for the Clintons' special dealings with China. Despite the FBI director's recommendation and the request of a Justice Department official she appointed, Reno has steadfastly refused to appoint an independent counsel to investigate whether Clinton sold America's most sensitive nuclear and military secrets for campaign cash. Actually, Janet Reno has been in the middle of every maelstrom involving the Clintons since her appointment as Attorney General. From Waco to Travelgate to Vince Foster's death to Whitewater obstruction to China-Lippogate, Reno has done exactly what she was appointed to do. She has held the floodwaters of justice from ever reaching the Clinton White House. The truth is that Janet Reno was the most important appointment made to the Clinton cabinet. Bill and Hillary Clinton, professional white-collar criminals, knew that their attorney general would be critical to their hold on the presidency. They also knew their choice for the Cabinet post would come under close scrutiny by Senate Republicans. Eventually they settled on Reno, a Harvard Law School graduate, who had returned to her Miami, Florida home and become a local prosecutor before being named by Governor Reubin Askew as Dade County State Attorney. The Clintons' First Choice The way history records it,
Re: [CTRL] Vince Foster book ...
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: Larry Becraft mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Vince Foster book To whom it may concern, Remember Patrick Knowlton, one of the first people to come into Fort Marcy Park just after Vince Foster was murdered? He was put thru hell and back by the federales because of his unfortunate visit to the park just because of a "call of nature" (to relieve himself). He and his lawyer have published a book entitled Failure of the Public Trust and it is posted to his webpage at: http://www.fbicover-up.com/http://www.fbicover-up.com/ Here is the introduction to that page: The federal investigative records on this Web site prove the existence of an FBI cover-up into the apparent murder of deputy White House counsel Vincent Foster. Given the scrutiny we are told our government has given the case, this proof challenges the assumptions that many of us have about our government and our news media. This evidence is profoundly disturbing. We urge you to help us get this proof out to the American people, so that we can improve the quality of our government and news media, and the integrity of our republic. Pat Shannan of Media Bypass will have an article about this book in a forthcoming issue of that popular patriot periodical. Larry A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Scientists justify Clinton's treatment of women
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- When you have a tyrannical government as corrupt as Clintons is, and the top cop is equally corrupted and sabotages and stonewalls any and all investigation's into his litany of crimes, you are never going to get a conviction. Stalin and Hitler never faced any official charges and yet they were responsible for tens of millions of deaths, as are many dictators. Gavin. When refering to the president of the U.S.A. or anyone else, it would be grossly unfair to say they were guilty if they were not convicted in court. http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/Jeffsonceandfuture http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/JeffSandlins A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] child pronography Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Janet Reno would curb press free...
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Reno is an alcoholic, depraved pedophile herself. That is how she got the job. Gavin A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Waco Walk
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Dear citizens and patriots: In just a few days, Feb. 28th, will mark the anniversary date of "Day 1" of the "51 Days of Terror" suffered by the Branch Davidians in Waco, TX. April 19th will mark the last day in which a total of 82 men women and children were viciously slaughtered. Forty-one women and children, senselessly murdered in what became their concrete tomb. Charred remnants of a child's doll was all that remained in tact after our government came to "save" the children. All of their voices were savagely silenced. Let's end their silence, and bring to the public our voices! I was contacted this month from a radio show host from Las Vegas named "Lady Liberty". She has come up with an excellent idea to organize a walk or march down the main streets of our own home towns all over the nation beginning February 28, 2000, and ending April 19, 1993. Each city will march on different days. The Tucson rally is tentatively set for around March 25th, a Saturday. (I will be in Waco on April 19th, so I cannot schedule one then) I am still working out the details of where to set it up, and would appreciate suggestions and feedback. If your organization has a Tucson or Phoenix office, please notify them of this e-mail. This will be a walk for freedom to awaken the public and to commemorate and memorialize all the civilians who have been murdered, tortured, or brutalized by city, county, and state governments and federal jack-booted thugs. This will also be an awakening to the eyes of our government officials to tell them that we are NOT going to lie down in silence when we witness the murder of innocents. OKC and Ruby Ridge will be remembered also. I am only one woman, and so far I am in this alone. I 'will' walk alone in protest if I am the only one who shows up. But by glancing at this list of names I'm mailing, I don't believe I will be standing alone. Please e-mail me or call this number to say you will attend, or help do something minimal to get this off the ground. If enough people and organizations show up, perhaps Davidian lawyer Dave Hardy (he lives here in Tucson) could hold a press conference to help out. I will be designing and making posters and signs, and will be distributing a petition Mr. Hardy had drawn up calling for the pardon of the Davidian prisoners. Listen folks, we could really make a difference, and collect a lot of signatures. While Waco is in the news, we need to have our voices heard. With my web site, and my Waco Tragedy News mailing list, I have made my voice heard on the web... now it's time for where it really counts.. in the streets of downtown. This is the last time Waco will be looked at, I fear. The time is NOW to speak out... will you join me? ~Sharlene Shappart~ (520) 318-3198 PS. Below are hyper links to a poster I'm designing for the rally and a link to where the petition is. Thank you. A HREF="http://www.wizardsofaz.com/waco/ww21ac.jpg"http://www.wizardsofaz.co m/waco/ww21ac.jpg/A-poster A HREF="http://www.wizardsofaz.com/waco/petition.jpg"http://www.wizardsofaz. com/waco/petition.jpg/A-nice and big for printing. Please feel free to distribute on your web sites, or send to friends. A HREF="http://www.wizardsofaz.com/waco/picturethis.html"Please take a moment to picture this.../A A HREF="http://www.wizardsofaz.com/waco/picturethis.html"http://www.wizardso faz.com/waco/picturethis.html/A "To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men." Abraham Lincoln If you wish to not receive Waco Tragedy News, please reply to this e-mail with "Unsubscribe" in the subject line. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 10 Reasons NY Voters should reject hellary
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Please pass on. If this was sent to you from a friend, you can subscribe by sending a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] From the Home of Rich Peggy Martin Grand Prairie, TX 75050 [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's nice to be important, but it's important to be nice. ___ INTRODUCTORY COMMENTARY I'll tell you, this one I liked. Wish I would have thought up "hellary". They did, however, forget to mention what a laughing stock this woman is. Her claim that she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary, for instance, is as dumb as to claim to have invented the internet. (That's a 2-fer!) Great links, but the one I couldn't find again was the FEC site listing all presidential candidates, which included the name of the Democratic candidate for the Senate from New York, Hillary Clinton. What happened to the site; what happened to the money? Rich Martin Editor of Slick Top 10 Reasons Why New Yorkers Should Reject Hillary Clinton (brought to you by www.ImpeachClintonAgain.org) MUGGING. Hillary has made 34 trips to New York so far and is spending over $250,000 per trip of your tax dollars! (Source: Clinton Investigative Commission 7/3/99; 8/31/99) INSIDER TRADING. Hillary once turned a $1,000 investment into a $100,000 windfall. Where was the SEC on this one? (Source: National Review, 6/8/99) ILLEGAL HOME BUYING. Hillary has purchased a $1.3 million dollar home despite the First Couples debt of over $5 million. Clinton crony Terry MacAuliffe backed their loan as a gift to them, which is against federal tax and financial disclosure laws. (Source: Washington Times, 9/11/99) CARPETBAGGING. Hillary has never been a resident of New York, yet arrogantly assumes that she should be crowned your Senator all the while spending your tax money on her luxurious trips --- including nearly $500 nights at the Waldorf-Astoria. (Source: Clinton Investigative Commission 6/21/99) DECEPTION. Did you know that the Federal Election Commission officially lists Hillary as a presidential candidate? Should New Yorkers allow their state to be a stomping ground by an outsider who may really be planning to replace her husband in the Oval Office? (Source: A HREF="http://www.FEC.gov"http://www.FEC.gov/A) PANDERING. Hillarys listening tour has resulted in one ethnic-vote-buying-scheme after another. First, she claimed she was Jewish because of a long-lost uncle in her family tree. Then, along with her claims she was black because of her great-great-grandfather, she courted the support of black racist Al Sharpton. (Source: New York Post 6/27/99) FILEGATE. Hillary ordered the illegal collection of private FBI background files on over 1,000 former Reagan and Bush administration officials. (Source: A HREF="http://www.JudicialWatch.org"http://www.Judic ialWatch.org/A) TREASON. Hillary was instrumental courting millions of dollars in illegal Chinese communist money for her husbands 1996 re-election. (Source: A HREF="http://www.JohnnyChung.com"http://www.JohnnyChung.com/A ) TERRORIST TIES. Despite Hillarys public flip-flops on the issue, Bill Clintons shameful pardon of 12 Puerto Rican terrorists of the murderous FALN was Hillarys scheme to win over the 1 million Puerto Rican voters in New York. (Source: Washington Times 9/10/99) MURDER. Hillary received secret documents during the planning of the Waco massacre. And Oscar-nominated filmmaker Michael McNulty has revealed that on the night Vince Foster died, three secret Waco-related documents were removed from Fosters office. (Source: The Drudge Report 8/29/99) A HREF="http://hillaryno.com/"HillaryNo.com/A This is a closed list, however, you are encouragedto respond to this message at [EMAIL PROTECTED] To have your address removed, send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No muss, no fuss. What could be easier? Which First Lady would have made the best President? Share your opinion with other eGroups members by voting now. Simply go to http://click.egroups.com/1/1475/4/_/311094/_/950382258/ -- Check out your group's private Chat room -- http://www.egroups.com/ChatPage?listName=slickmiscm=1 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no
[CTRL] Did We Go To The Moon Debate 1/2
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Hello Ed (Pellow). Thanks for your reply. I've inserted my answers and further info below. Most of the answers I have duplicated in my reply to Brian Thorn and Mike Dworetsky. Gavin, Thanks for your message. Having looked into this area, the 'research' of Kaysing, Percy and others is highly flawed and littered with errors. The recognised method of advancing scientific knowledge is to undertake reset and publish the results in an academic journal. Any assumptions made and any information used is well referenced to previously published works so that any reader can check it. From this point any inconsistencies or errors in conclusion can be openly debated and hence knowledge be moved forward. This is correct Ed with subjects that are not as highly controversial as questioning the validity of the Apollo missions. I have e-mailed the same message that I sent to you to at least 20 or so physicists/astronomers at various Colleges/University's across the US and so far have received only 1 "answer", in which he didn't answer any questions, he just blew the whole thing off. Scientists are for the most part extremely conservative and rely on government funding for their research and salaries, so they have a lot invested in the prevailing status quo, not to mention peer pressure. I doubt if you would ever find a respected scientific journal to publish anything questioning the validity of the Apollo missions, no matter how legitimate the questions are (afterwhich the journal would lose all credibility). That is one of the major problems when investigating this type of thing, very few people are willing to go on record even if they have doubts. I have very little faith in the integrity of mainstream scientists (and less in the mainstream media, in America at least) to honestly investigate subjects which are considered scientific "sacred cows." Ed Pellow says; I've not read the Ralph Rene book or seen the James Collier video so I can't comment directly on them. I have however read Percy's book 'Dark Moon' and seen a lot of Kaysing material on the web. This material is abysmally referenced. Both sources continually refer to 'data published in 1996' or 'geological expert Fred Bloggs' without giving anything but the vaguest (if any)reference to where the source material comes from. This alone makes me question the validity of their conclusions. You mention that David Percy is 'award winning' So? We're not told what award. Maybe he passed an exam in school This is perhaps a silly example, but I found from reading his book that most of the sources are dressed up in this way as to improve their perceived validity. Anyhow, on to your specific points: Jim Collier went to a lot of trouble taking measurements of the module they supposedly went in and came to a valid conclusion that, with all their bulky breathing apparatus, they wouldn't have been able to get in and out of the LM. The craft in the museum was different to the craft shown in supposedly live B/W footage of the craft, and the pilots floating in and out of the hatch. The hatch is obviously wider and the rivets are different. If the craft that Jim Collier measured was obviously different to the craft shown on the live footage - what validity do his measurements have? The fact that photos and footage exist of the astronauts existing the hatch shows that the hatch was wide enough. I don't quite understand your point here. Gavin: My point is that Jim went to the Washington Space museum to get measurements and videotape of an actual LM-2 on display (see below). In live NASA footage Jim shows on his video, James Lovell floats through the connecting tunnel from the CM to the LM. He has plenty of room and he goes down about 6 ft into the LM. In the LM in the Washington Space museum, there is a bell type metal object sticking up which would not allow the astronaut to come down 6 ft, he could only come down about 3 ft. In the NASA footage the bell is nonexistent. Jim says the tunnel on the LM is 27 inches across, but they only have 24 inches of clearance because of a latch (latches, we see one) for connecting to the droge (SP) which sticks out about 3 inches. It would be a very tight squeeze for a suited astronaut. The hatch on the LM opens from the left. In the footage it is hinged on the rear. His point is that the "live" footage is being shot in a simulator, not the real LM. A HREF="http://www.nasm.edu/GALLERIES/ATTM/a11.am.lm.1.html"NASM--Apollo to the Moon--The Apollo Lunar Module/A APOLLO LUNAR MODULE "This is an actual lunar module (designation LM-2), one of 12 built for Apollo. Engineers planned to use this craft in low Earth orbit to test the techniques of separation, rendezvous, and docking with the command and service module. The second of two such test vehicles, its orbital mission was cancelled after a successful flight in an earlier
[CTRL] Did We Go To The Moon Debate 2/2
e to fake it using state of the art late 60's
technology with a multibillion dollar budget. As a laypersons view, and I'm
not just saying this Ed, many parts, especially on the moon and in space,
look really fake.
The only criticism I have of his video is
that he didn't get or at least try to get the opinions of physicist's,
astronomers, photographers or any other professional people.
Pellow says;
If you want to believe anyone who doesn't bother with the opinions of
experts - I don't think I need to say any more.
Gavin says;
Jim probably came up against the same wall of silence that I'm encountering. T
here is no incentive for any scientist to voice doubts about any part of the
Apollo missions, no matter how strong the evidence. He would be burnt in
effigy by the rest of the scientific community. I can understand how
difficult it would be for Jim Collier to find an objective and honest
scientific evaluation of his 2 hr video since my 20 some e-mails went
unanswered. What scientist, with their arrogant know-it-all attitude, wants
to admit they were fooled by a faked moon landing, or even a small part of
it? A major ego deflator and embarrassment if it were ever proven, and
there's no glory in that. Very few scientists would dare to criticize a
scientific "holy of holly's" and endure derision and alienation by their
peers. Far better to run with the pack, keep your career, your salary and
your social standing.
On this point Ed, I will add a very good passage from the book, Suppressed
Inventions and Other Discoveries. pg. 177,
"The history of science is hardly the history of free inquiry. Rarely does
science engage in self-examination, whether scientifically or simply
reflectively. Occasionally we may benefit from the perspectives of those
observers and historians form outside this branch of knowledge, who seek to
bring to the world some solid wisdom. More frequently they fail to awaken
interest within a rigid system that believes, as Organized Science does, that
all mistakes were committed in the past. ("We might have got it wrong with
Galileo and Semmelweis, but that was then.") Seldom is truth met with
unconditional acceptance in professions that are not renowned for their
engaging humility and willingness to embrace information that conflicts with
their cherished and well defended beliefs." (and their mighty ego's, I might
add. Gavin)
Below are 3 more anomalies I picked out of Jim's video. Thanks Ed. I look
forward to hearing from you. Gavin Phillips.
13. The LM never flew on earth. It blew up on it's first test, nearly killing
Neil Armstrong, who bailed out just in time. Would you go into space in a
vehicle in which the only time it flew, it exploded?
14. In Apollo 16, Young and Duke set off in the Rover to collect samples. In
one filmed shot they are on the top of a hill, you can see the top of the
Rover's antennas from the other side of the hill. There are about 20 rocks
strewn about on the hill. A couple of rocks are fairly large and distinctive.
On another day, time, and no Rover in the background and supposed to be a
different location, we see exactly the same rocks in exactly the same
positions. I think this is one of the strongest pieces of evidence that it
was filmed on a set.
15. Jim called Eastman Kodak and asked them the temperature tolerances of the
film in the cameras they were using. Kodak told him F. 150 . As he says, all
the shots taken at noon with temperatures around F 250 the pictures/film
should never have come out. The film would be crispy.
16. In one famous B/W 16 mm film from the moon, you see two astronauts
running around in front of the LM and you can see right through them. As Jim
says, this is the film in which many people questioned the validity of the
Apollo missions. The whole scene looks superimposed, the astronauts look like
ghosts.
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[CTRL] Waco FLIR. FBI says it is Glints
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Subj:[waco-group] WTH - FBI employees: Video shows 'glint' not gunfire Date: 1/25/00 10:41:19 AM Central Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh boy, we've got some real ace pilot here. Blah-blah-blah. Janice ~ http://www.accesswaco.com/auto/feed/news/local/2000/01/24/948775839.08003.1122 .0076.html FBI employees: Video shows 'glint' not gunfire By MARK ENGLAND Tribune-Herald staff writer Although most admit never seeing as many multiple flashes before, FBI agents and technicians are adamant that the flashes seen on an infrared video of Mount Carmel on April 19, 1993, are "glint" and not gunfire, according to depositions for the upcoming wrongful-death lawsuit filed against the government by surviving Branch Davidians. The Tribune-Herald reviewed the depositions of 20 FBI employees, including technicians, pilots and Forward-Looking Infrared (FLIR) operators. None of the FBI employees were members of the Hostage Rescue Team, the tactical unit accused by some critics of firing shots at the Davidians on the final day of the 51-day siege, which ended in a fire that led to the deaths of David Koresh and 75 followers. FBI employee No. 15 the identities of the agents are sealed on the order of U.S. Judge Walter S. Smith Jr. of Waco testified during his deposition that he reviewed at least 10 FLIR tapes looking for flashes similar to those on the Waco FLIR tape. He told plaintiffs' attorney Mike Caddell of Houston that he found examples of flashes on other FLIR tapes. "The one that sticks out in my mind is a surveillance that was being done on a vehicle in the daytime," said the FBI employee, who was the FLIR operator when Mount Carmel caught fire. "And you could see a flash off of the fender and the hood of the car at one point in the orbit." Caddell asked the FLIR operator if he had ever seen multiple flashes like those present on the Mount Carmel FLIR tape. The FLIR operator maintained circumstances are different every time the camera is used. "It's different," the FLIR operator said. "Different circumstances, different temperatures, different scenery. You are not looking at the same thing." Asked if he had considered the possibility that some of the flashes on the Waco FLIR tape were weapons fired by the Davidians, the FLIR operator said, "I think it's glint." Caddell asked why the FLIR tape doesn't show flashes on both sides of Mount Carmel. "You don't recall there being an unusual condition where the sun was blocked from the front of Mount Carmel but shone on the back, do you?" Caddell asked. After wrangling, which involved Justice Department attorneys, the FLIR operator answered, "I still think it's glint." One of the pilots of Night Stalker, the plane carrying the FLIR camera, also told Caddell that he believes the flashes seen on the Mount Carmel FLIR tape were caused by glint. "There are certain things that the FLIR tape picks up that can't be explained," said the pilot, a co-pilot when Night Stalker flew during the morning of April 19, 1993. "I think it's often referred to as glint. It's an unexplained phenomenon that appears on a FLIR tape primarily in the daytime." Caddell showed the pilot a condensed version of the Mount Carmel FLIR tape highlighting the flashes, according to the deposition. One involved a flash seen to the left of a Combat Engineering Vehicle (CEV) on the back of the compound. "I would call that a glint," the pilot said. "And how did we distinguish between a glint and something else?" Caddell asked. "Is it a glint when it might have otherwise been gunfire from an FBI agent?" The pilot later explained his reasoning. "In my opinion, I do not believe that there was an individual on that tank firing a weapon," the pilot said. "Therefore, the fact the flash occurs is an unexplained anomaly." Caddell pointed out that Carlos Ghigliotti, an expert in thermal imaging and videotape, told The Washington Post that he believes FBI agents fired shots on April 19, 1993. Ghigliotti is one of the FLIR experts working for the congressional committee investigating Mount Carmel. However, FBI agent No. 7, who rode inside CEV2 on the final day of the siege, was among the FBI employees not agreeing with Ghigliotti's conclusion. "I have no idea what may or may not cause flashes on this video, but if you are asking about the flashes that came from directly behind my CEV, I believe I would be aware if there had been anything back there," the agent said. "And I saw nothing but ground and junk." Another FBI employee, a Night Stalker pilot, said the FLIR camera wasn't designed to pick up small arms fire. "The type of FLIR utilized, the collimation of the FLIR in relation to the gunfire, distances involved, and other parameters would lead me to believe this is not gunfire, based on what I know,"
[CTRL] Waco: A New Revelation. My Review
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"
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"Waco: A New Revelation"
Reviewed by Gavin Phillips
Please distribute
Waco: A New Revelation (110 minutes) is Michael McNulty's follow-up
documentary to his previous academy award nominated documentary, Waco: The
Rules of Engagement. I was fortunate enough to catch Waco: The Rules of
Engagement in it's very limited movie theater distribution. Although overlong
by at least half an hour in my opinion, the documentary was a devastating
indictment of the ATF/FBI handling of the 51 day siege at Mount Carmel, the
home of the Branch Davidians near Waco, Texas.
Most Americans, myself included, paid little attention to the seemingly never
ending standoff between the Branch Davidians and federal agents. When the
place burned to the ground on April 19, 1993, I still wasn't paying
attention. The official version was that an insane religious cult, led by a
sexual deviant and stone cold killer, David Koresh, had "ambushed" ATF agents
whilst they attempted to serve a search warrant. During that initial
shootout, four ATF agents and six Branch Davidians were killed. Koresh and his
crazy followers brought it upon themselves, right? I couldn't be more wrong.
The official version of events was rammed down our throats day in and day out
by the mainstream media. Buzzwords were repeated ad-nauseum, Cult, Pedophile,
Compound, Religions that Kill, Mass Suicide, Jonestown, Sociopath. We were
being conditioned by the government via the jingoistic mainstream media into
a Pavlovian response to any mention of "The Wacko in Waco," that was of
course that he was the heir apparent to Charlie Manson. It is a lie, as is
99% of everything else the government has told us about the events at Waco.
It is a prerequisite to justifying genocide to demonize the group targeted
for extinction. The Nazi's did it to the Jews. Our government did it to the
Branch Davidians in 1993.
Although my review is rather long, (4,688 words), I hope you to take the 15
minutes or so to educate yourself and others about incontrovertible proof
that federal agents were responsible for all the approximate 79/85 deaths of
the Branch Davidians during the 51 day siege. It is the most disturbing and
infuriating documentary I have seen in many, many years; wholesale government
slaughter proven beyond a doubt. What follows is my review of Waco: A New
Revelation. Information not in the video is asterisked.
The Branch Davidians were an offshoot of the Seventh-Day Adventists. They
moved to Waco in the mid 1930s. They took up residence at Mount Carmel in the
early 1960s. The Branch Davidians and their spiritual leader David Koresh
(*since the late 1980s), practiced a totally different kind of religion than
Christians. They had different marriage rules, and different property rights
than most Americans. They stayed for the most part inside Mount Carmel
studying the bible under the tutelage of David Koresh. They were different
from most Americans, but not hostile or unfriendly. In interviews during the
documentary they come across as very polite, reasonable and well mannered.
On February 18, 1993, the day of the raid, the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol
Tobacco and Firearms) pulled up to the Mount Carmel residence and about 100
agents surround the Branch Davidians home, several run up to the front door.
Other agents go to the back of the home and kill the Davidians' dogs. Dick
Reavis, author of The Ashes of Waco, says, "...[the ATF were] Shouting
Police, search warrant lay down. According to them David was standing at the
front door unarmed,...Shut the door,...And the next thing the ATF knew it
says, it was receiving gunfire from inside of Mount Carmel. In particular
from behind that front door.
What ensues is the longest shoot out in the history of law enforcement
leaving four dead ATF agents and six dead Branch Davidians. The question has
always been, who shot first? Koresh and the Branch Davidians say that the
ATF, totally unprovoked, shot through the door killing 60 year old Perry
Jones and injuring David Koresh. The ATF had several video cameras taping the
events at the front door.
Dr. Philip Arnold says,"...If you dont believe me, look at the video tape, I
know you have that tape, he (Koresh) says, I saw you making it across the
road.
Investigator (Attorney) David Hardy says,...According to the agency there
were three or four video cameras pointed at the front door that could tell
you everything that happened to the front door of that building that day;
they claim they cant find a single one of them. Every one of those video
tapes vanished.
In addition to the missing video footage, the on scene activity log (*and the
front door, mentioned in Waco: The Rules of Engagement) also disappeared. In
the initial raid y
[CTRL] David Thibodeau on C/Span Book Talk
-Caveat Lector- Purely by chance I managed to catch about an hour (taped as well) of David Thibodeau talking about the Waco atrocity and his book a couple of days ago. He is very articulate and covers a lot of ground in the hour or so that I caught. It may be repeated, so keep a look out. Gavin. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The OKC Bombing/My Book
-Caveat Lector- Probably everybody on this list is aware that the Oklahoma City bombing is one of the Clinton administrations most egregious and corrupted "investigations" in the history of the US, at least on a par with Waco. But as we are all aware, knowing something for yourself is entirely different to being able to lucidly and cogently prove it to others. The government's story of a couple of disaffected men (according to the government, only McVeigh on the day of the bombing, despite many eye witnesses testifying to seeing two or more other people with him) and a home-brew fertilizer truck bomb is 98% fantasy, as is most of the information the government has fed us about this incident. I was so outraged at the breadth and depth of the government obfuscation of the truth in this event I was compelled to write a book about it. My book, The Oklahoma City Bombing: Searching for the Truth took me about 900 hours of painstaking research (172 endnotes and other references) and writing to complete, not to mention 3 years of collecting information beforehand. After sending it out to some 40 varied people for review, including journalists, history Ph D's, larger websites, authors, I have so far received four reviews. Pat Shannan, a journalist for Media Bypass magazine, has been personally investigating the bombing for over four years and produced a $40,000 documentary on this incident. In reviewing my book, he says; "...Your research and dissemination are excellent, and your conclusions are right on!... ...Similarly, an eighth-grader can read your book and grasp the great deception in the government and media attempt to re-write history. This is important. You have laid out a ton of facts but kept it simple..." Edward Griffin, author of, "The Creature From Jekyll Island" and "World Without Cancer" says my work is "very good" Jim Marrs, author of "Crossfire" and "Alien Agenda" says; "Thanks so much for sending me a copy of your manuscript regarding the OK bombing. I am well aware of this information, but you have indeed put it together in a concise and most readable manner..." John Ross, author of "Unintended Consequences" telephoned me and said that apart from a few typos he compared my book to the documentary Waco: The Rules of Engagement and said he thoroughly enjoyed it. He passed it onto his publisher, whom I never heard from. But my book will probably never be published. Over the last 6 months I have queried over a 120 publishers/literary agents and nobody is interested in my book. Not because it is not well written or documented, rather, because of this fact. As one editor informed me, publishers avoid controversial books because the press is reluctant to cover them. The more important question is of course how many other books are suppressed in this manner? Many dozens I would think, and after the government's stampeding of James Sanders journalistic and First Amendment rights, fewer and fewer publishers will want to take a chance with any book proving government perfidy and or treason. They can mop up the few that slip through the cracks, such as David Hoffman's book, The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror, by initiating a law suit. Just some food for thought. For some good information about the Oklahoma bombing go to A HREF="http://www.thenewamerican.com/focus/okc/"The New American - Issues In Focus - Oklahoma City Bombing/A and A HREF="http://www.thewinds.org/arc_features/government/okc10-97.html"WINDS - Oklahoma City Bombing Evidence Cover-up/A Below is my introduction. Thanks. Gavin. INTRODUCTION The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple. - Oscar Wilde Two roads diverged in a wood, and I...I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference. - Robert Frost Is there anything new to be learned about the Oklahoma City bombing? After hundreds of articles in the mainstream media and blanket television reporting, it seems unlikely that they could have missed any significant facts. Or could they? The government/mainstream media version is that Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols and a homemade fertilizer truck bomb were responsible for the worst act of terrorism in the history of the United States. However, in a few months after the bombing, some talk radio hosts were discussing information which was completely contrary to the official version. There were also plenty of rumors, speculation and rhetorical statements being bandied around. I needed time to ascertain if there was anything more to this incident than simply embellished storys. Now, over four and a half years after the Oklahoma City bombing, the time has arrived when I can document one of the most nefarious government subterfuges ever. Over a three [plus] year period I have collected a colossal amount of evidence which proves that virtually every aspect of the official version is a lie. For eight months I spent hundreds of hours painstakingly cross-referencing and
[CTRL] GERALD POSNER REPORT:
-Caveat Lector- Posner is a desiccated, innocuous , one level below ambulance chasing lawyer who yearns so desperately to be "somebody,". The shrill cry from somebody who has been ignored most of his life. "Please let me be somebody, anybody, but the charisma and talent free sycophant that I am." He gladly plays the role of low rent gofer for the likes of the CIA/FBI etc.and in return they toss him a few crumbs of "fame" ; "Larry King" and "Geraldo" (another unprincipled, fawning [Clinton] ass kisser) and money. In return for which he degrades himself with his absurd [and massively padded out] book advocating Oswald as the lone gunman (thoroughly refuted by Grodin and Marrs amongst others) . They wheel him out to try and "debunk" any major charges of government malfeasance. There are no depths to which Posner will not sink in order to boost his pitiful attempts at self-aggrandizement. What a worthless little man, spending his life aiding totally corrupted agencies and enhancing their ability to deceive people. Something to brag to the grand-kids about. Gavin. I don't know about Posner's claims regarding Princess Di. But I do know about Posner. Posner has no credibility. For example, regarding his Kennedy book, Posner states unequivocably that Oswald never, never met or dealt with David Ferrie, the strange New Orleans CIA contract pilot and Marcella mob hanger on who clearly was closely involved in the JFK plot. Meanwhile a long published (and never disputed) photo shows a teenage Oswald standing next to David Ferrie showing a local LA "Air Cadets" troop. This photo was in the public domain (and well known) before Posner published his Kennedy white wash several years ago. Posner is a professional "debunker" who I suspect is part of the CIA disinformation mafia. He is regularly trotted out by the Corporate News talking heads whenever an alleged government involved conspiracy gets public mention. I caught him last week on FOX News misstating and twisting basic facts concerning the MLK assassination while commenting on the recent civil trial in which the jury found MKL was thevictim of a conspiracy which invovled elements of the Federal Govt. Posner (of course) has a new book out "debunking"any govt involvement in the MLK assassination. flw DECLARATION DISCLAIMER DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Question on the origin of AIDS
-Caveat Lector- Sounds like a lot of monkey business to me! Gavin. In a message dated 12/27/99 11:43:33 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: More likely that someone *ate* a monkey which was carrying the Green Monkey Virus. Apparently the local equivalent of McDonald's in the Congo and Angola bush country is to shoot and stew a monkey... Yummy! -Original Message- From: Tenorlove [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, December 26, 1999 8:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Question on the origin of AIDS -Caveat Lector- My hubby's pet theory is that AIDS came about because some guy had sex with a monkey. Is there any evidence that this could be the case? Tenorlove ducking cyber-tomatoes _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Homeopaths vs quackbusters, stage magicians, and fools...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/26/99 9:49:34 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem here is that there IS no science to support the claims of homeopathy...NONE...the supporters of this fraud are fighting a losing battle and they know it...their desperation is clear,there merely clutching at straws. Bill. Bill, hard data to support homeopathic remedies is very hard to come by because the FDA and the ACS purposely distort the results. Probably the most famous incident of this is documented in Edward Griffin's book, World Without Cancer, pages 40 through 52 when B17 was tested for four years at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in Manhattan. For five years between 1972 and 1977 laetrile was tested by the head researcher at the institute and an icon in the cancer research field with over 60 years of experience, Dr. Kanematsu Sugiura. Dr. Sugiura was meticulous in his research and scrupulously honest. When he published the results of his findings he had found that laetrile was beneficial in helping regress tumors.( see page 41 for the whole paragraph). This was not the result Sloan-Kettering was looking for. The board was controlled by the Rockefellers and other wall street bankers who stood to lose a fortune if a vitamin proved successful in treating cancer. To cut a long story short the institute went to absurd lengths to prove Suguira wrong. By changing protocols and manipulating statistics they produced studies that showed that laetrile did not work Basically they lied, lied and were caught out and shown to be the scum they are when Ralph Moss (writer of many books on this subject) then (1977) Assistant Director of Public Affairs held a press conference and charged that Sloan-Kettering had engineered a massive cover-up, and he had the documentation to prove it. He was fired the next day. I highly recommend World Without Cancer. I have heard many recommendations about The Cancer Cure That Worked by Barry Lynes, which is about Royal Rifes bioray. It is on order. Gavin. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Day of Deceit-FDR Pearl Harbor
-Caveat Lector- New book. Inside cover blurb. Gavin. DAY OF DECEIT THE TRUTH ABOUT FDR AND PEARL HARBOR by Robert Stinnett Pearl Harbor was not an accident, a mere failure of American intelligence, or a brilliant Japanese military coup. It was the result of a carefully orchestrated design, initiated at the highest levels of our government. According to a key memorandum eight steps were taken to make sure we would enter the war by this means. Pearl Harbor was the only way, leading officials felt, to galvanize the reluctant American public into action. This great question of Pearl Harbor--what did we know and when did we know it?--has been argued for years. At first, a panel created by FDR concluded that we had no advance warning and should blame only the local commanders for lack of preparedness. More recently, historians such as John Toland and Edward Beach have concluded that some intelligence was intercepted. Finally, just months ago, the Senate voted to exonerate Hawaii commanders Admiral Kimmel and Lieutenant General Short, after the Pentagon officially declared that blame should be "broadly shared." But no investigator has ever been able to prove that fore-knowledge of the attack existed at the highest levels. Until now. After decades of Freedom of Information Act requests, Robert B. Stinnett has gathered the long-hidden evidence that shatters every shibboleth of Pearl Harbor. It shows that not only was the attack expected, it was deliberately provoked through an eight-step program devised by the Navy. Whereas previous investigators have claimed that our government did not crack Japan's military codes before December 7, 1941, Stinnett offers cable after cable of decryptions. He proves that a Japanese spy on the island transmitted information--including a map of bombing targets--beginning on August 21, and that government intelligence knew all about it. He reveals that Admiral Kimmel was prevented from conducting a routine training exercise at the eleventh hour that would have uncovered the location of the oncoming Japanese fleet. And contrary to previous claims, he shows that the Japanese fleet did not maintain radio silence as it approached Hawaii. Its many coded cables were intercepted and decoded by American cryptographers in Stations on Hawaii and in Seattle. The evidence is overwhelming. At the highest levels--on FDR's desk--America had ample warning of the pending attack. At those same levels, it was understood that the isolationist American public would not support a declaration of war unless we were attacked first. The result was a plan to anger Japan, to keep the loyal officers responsible for Pearl Harbor in the dark, and thus to drag America into the greatest war of her existence. Yet even having found what he calls the "terrible truth," Stinnett is still inclined to forgive. "I sympathize with the agonizing dilemma faced by President Roosevelt," he writes. "He was forced to find circuitous means to persuade an isolationist America to join in a fight for freedomIt is easier to take a critical view of this policy a half century removed than to understand fully what went on in Roosevelt's mind in the year prior to Pearl Harbor." Day of Deceit is the definitive final chapter on America's greatest secret and our worst military disaster. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Despicable Miscarriage of Justice - If Correct
-Caveat Lector- From: "Jim Barnes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Carl Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 24, 1998 12:00 AM Subject: An Illusion Of Justice AN ILLUSION OF JUSTICE The only thing worse than being convicted of a crime and sent to prison when you are innocent... is when the government deliberately does it, and then tries to keep you there. In July, 1996, John Irvin Pitner was arrested at his home in Deming, WA, and charged with six counts of conspiracy to overthrow the US Government. Among other charges, he was accused of conspiring to manufacture pipebombs, convert weapons to fire on full-automatic, and to assault kill federal officers in the performance of their official duties. These charges stemmed from a year-long undercover FBI investigation into the activities of the Washington State Militia, of which Pitner was the founder former Executive Director. They were based largely on the testimony of Edward G. Maeurer, a three-time convicted felon (fraud), who had infiltrated the militia group as a paid FBI informant beginning in June, 1995. Maeurer's official reports to the FBI claimed that he had seen handled fully-automatic M-16's, dynamite, grenades, sacks of fertilizer night- vision devices stolen from Ft. Lewis, WA, at a 'fortified' room in Pitner's garage. He claimed the militia group was planning to kill federal officers, blow up government buildings, and assassinate David Rockefeller while he attended a conference on the Olympic Peninsula, in WA State. Maeurer's reports led to a full field investigation of the WSM being conducted, and the placement of an undercover FBI agent into the group. Seven people, including Pitner, were eventually arrested brought to trial. After six weeks, the jury could not reach a verdict on the conspiracy charges, and a mistrial was declared. Pitner, along with three other militia members, was found guilty of separate illegal-weapons charges in March, '97. Pitner, who has never been sentenced for that crime, remains incarcerated at the Federal Detention Center SEATAC, in Seattle, WA. Astoundingly, according to the sworn testimony of informant Maeurer and the FBI agents participating in this case, the following facts were made known during the trial: 1. Maeurer had lied to his FBI handler's all during the investigation. On or about 20 February, 1996, Maeurer was given a series of polygraph examinations by Special Agent Raymond Lauer, a certified polygraph examiner for the FBI, concerning what he had seen and done at Pitner's home. Maeurer recanted ever having seen or handled any M-16's. He recanted ever having seen any grenades,or dynamite. (The stolen military night-vision devices had earlier been recovered were never in the possession of the WSM.) Instead, he "might have" seen an M-16. Or, it might have been "a toy". Instead of actually seeing or handling any dynamite or grenades, he now claimed to have seen boxes which he "knew" contained those explosives. 2. There was no 'fortified' room in Pitner's garage. A storage room, constructed of plywood two-by-fours, had been built in the garage and the door was not even kept locked. 3. Under questioning by federal prosecutors and defense counsel, as to why he had lied about Pitner to his FBI employers, Maeurer said he thought Pitnerwas dangerous and needed to be arrested. 4. Maeurer owed in excess of $35,000 in summary judgement outstanding againsthim, for passing fradulent checks, at the time he began informing on the WSM. Under questioning, he admitted that he had never re-paid any of this court-ordered restitution. 5. John Pitner had resigned as Director of the WSM three months prior to his arrest, due to growing financial, marital and health problems. His wife had left him, he had suffered a small stroke that summer, and was no longer attending any militia meetings. 6. Michael German (the undercover FBI agent) and Maeurer (the paid informant)assumed leadership positions within the militia group after Pitner's departure, becoming members of a three-man Leadership Council heading the WSM. 7. German and Maeurer instigated every illegal activity performed by the militia members, after assuming leadership of the organization. It was German Maeurer who first suggested building pipebombs to sell and raise money for the WSM, through German's supposed 'contacts' in the military surplus business. It wasGerman Maeurer who brought the idea up over over again, until people agreed to do it. It was German Maeurer who first suggested converting weapons to full-automatic, and insisted on stockpiling them, and pushed the idea until it was acted upon. It was German who leased a warehouse in downtown Seattle, and German who bought milling equipment needed to alter the weapons, and German who directed people to travel out-of-state to purchase bomb components. 8. German and Maeurer caused suspicion and distrust of Pitner to develop among the other militia members. They engendered the belief that Pitner had
[CTRL] Homeopaths vs quackbusters, stage magicians, and fools ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/24/99 10:49:13 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just one question, Bill: have you yourself ever *tried* homeopathic remedies? Sadly, a chiroQuack dished out some sugar pills labeled "muscle-relaxants" to me once... Totally useless, waste of money...these things cost more than real medicine... Did you hear about the homeopath who forgot to take his remedy?? He died of an overdose... Bill. Alternative health treatments are entirely a personnel choice. Having watched one of my friends die from cancer/chemo and another go through months of chemo hell. He is now in remission, about a 30/50 % chance it will show up again in 3/5 years. I personally would never use chemo/surgery (except in very extreme cases) or radiation. The most important point is that you cannot obtain B17 in the US. (go to Mexico) Versions of Rife's bioray radio machines have to be purchased in Canada for use on "livestock" because of the Rockefeller controlled pharmaceutical companies who are making billions out of the hundreds of thousands of Americans who contract cancer each year. Finding a cure is very bad for business, especialy if it turns out to be natural, B17, because you cannot patent it. Mass produced machines using Rife methodology would also be very inexpensive and therefore far less lucrative. Gavin. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] re- FBI's Role In World Trade Center Bombing
-Caveat Lector- PS. Emad Salem was paid a million dollars (bribe?) by our government for his testimony. Gavin. In a message dated 12/23/99 5:15:08 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: T H E N E W Y O R K T I M E S * * * * * Thursday October 28, 1993 Page A1 "Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast" By Ralph Blumenthal Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast. The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said. The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as being in a far better position than previously known to foil the February 26th bombing of New York City's tallest towers. The explosion left six people dead, more than a thousand people injured, and damages in excess of half-a-billion dollars. Four men are now on trial in Manhattan Federal Court [on charges of involvement] in that attack. Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian Army officer, was used by the Government [of the United States] to penetrate a circle of Muslim extremists who are now charged in two bombing cases: the World Trade Center attack, and a foiled plot to destroy the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels, and other New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the second bombing case, but his work for the Government was erratic, and for months before the World Trade Center blast, he was feuding with the F.B.I. Supervisor `Messed It Up' After the bombing, he resumed his undercover work. In an undated transcript of a conversation from that period, Mr. Salem recounts a talk he had had earlier with an agent about an unnamed F.B.I. supervisor who, he said, "came and messed it up." "He requested to meet me in the hotel," Mr. Salem says of the supervisor. "He requested to make me to testify, and if he didn't push for that, we'll be going building the bomb with a phony powder, and grabbing the people who was involved in it. But since you, we didn't do that." The transcript quotes Mr. Salem as saying that he wanted to complain to F.B.I. Headquarters in Washington about the Bureau's failure to stop the bombing, but was dissuaded by an agent identified as John Anticev. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Happy Holidays
-Caveat Lector- Happy hols and a Y2K free millenium. Gavin. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Freerepublic [Top 5 website] is Down
-Caveat Lector- We have been unable to access the Free Republic website at http://freerepublic.com since early yesterday afternoon, Pacific Standard Time, Dec. 21. Anyone with information as to the reason it's down, alternate website locations for Free Republic, status on the safety and well-being of Jim Robinson, etc., please post bulletins in any or all of these newsgroups. If the situation warrants, we will open up a temporary web site to carry the information posted on USENET until Free Republic comes back on line. We are hoping and praying that Free Republic has not been forced off the Internet by Executive diktat or other unconstitutional action. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Freerepublic [Top 5 website] is Down
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/22/99 7:01:15 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone with information as to the reason it's down, alternate website locations for Free Republic, status on the safety and well-being of Jim Robinson Ummm, perhaps he tried to overload his tiny memory with spurious information and crashed his (abnormally) undersized hard drive... Really, c'mon...a fantatic's server is down, or he needs to visit his (overprotective) mother for the holidays and all of a sudden it's a CONSPIRACY??? Good GAWD y'all...I understand a bit o' paranoia...but C'MON!! Bill Hello Bill: Your sarcastic comments about Jim Robinson aside. My original message was a forward from a Usenet group. I do not believe it is a "conspiracy," just information for people trying to access freerepublic. Gavin. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kris: High Times article: Purchase Info
-Caveat Lector- Hi Kris: Where do I buy a copy? Barnes and Noble or Borders? Thanks. Gavin. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 25 Ways To Suppress Truth:1/2
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/99 3:56:22 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: "Joe f" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [piml] Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: Greetings All here is a little blurb that i post now and then. It is something we should all keep in mind. This is on my desktop and i read it everyday to keep matters just a little clearer, and to remind me of what is out there. my regards joe freitas http://www.cell2000.net/~users/beowulf/http://www.cell2000.net/~users/beo wulf/ ICQ#27822497 July 14, 1998 Real-To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation (POLITICIANS CREDO) Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation Note: The first rule and last five (or six, depending on situation) rules are generally not directly within the ability of the traditional disinfo artist to apply. These rules are generally used more directly by those at the leadership, key players, or planning level of the criminal conspiracy or conspiracy to cover up. 1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues. Example: Media was present in the courtroom when in Hunt vs. Liberty Lobby when CIA agent Marita Lorenz "confession" testimony regarding CIA direct participation in the planning and assassination of John Kennedy was revealed. All media reported is that E. Howard Hunt lost his libel case against Liberty Lobby (Spotlight had reported he was in Dallas that day and were sued for the story). See Mark Lane's Plausible Denial for the full confessional transcript. And definitely obtain Michael Collins Piper's "FINAL JUDGMENT", contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] for details. Proper response: There is no possible response unless you are aware of the material and can make it public yourself.. In any such attempt, be certain to target any known silent party as likely complicit in a cover up. 2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the "How dare you!" gambit. Example: "How dare you suggest that the Branch Davidians were murdered! The FBI and BATF are made up of America's finest and best trained law enforcement, operate under the strictest of legal requirements, and are under the finest leadership the President could want to appoint." Proper response: You are avoiding the Waco issue with disinformation tactics. Your high opinion of FBI is not founded in fact. All you need do is examine Ruby Ridge and any number of other examples, and you will see a pattern that demands attention to charges against FBI/BATF at Waco. Why do you refuse to address the issues with disinformation tactics (rule 2 - become incredulous and indignant)? 3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such "arguable rumors". If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a "wild rumor" which can have no basis in fact. "You can't prove his material was legitimately from French Intelligence. Pierre Salinger had a chance to show his 'proof' that flight 800 was brought down by friendly fire, and he didn't. All he really had was the same old baseless rumor that's been floating around the Internet for months." Proper response: You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. The Internet charge reported widely is based on a single FBI interview statement to media and a supportive statement by a Congressman who has not actually seen Pierre's document. As the FBI is being accused in participating in a cover up of this matter and Pierre claims his material is not Internet sourced, it is natural that FBI would have reason to paint his material in a negative light. For you to assume the FBI to have no bias in the face of Salinger's credentials and unchanged stance suggests you are biased. At the best you can say the matter is in question. Further, to imply that material found on Internet is worthless is not founded. At best you may say it must be considered carefully before accepting it, which will require addressing the actual issues. Why do you refuse to address these issues with disinformation tactics (rule 3 - create rumor mongers)? 4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good
[CTRL] 25 Ways To Suppress Truth:2/2
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/99 3:56:22 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to loose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues. Example: "I don't see how you can claim Vince Foster was murdered since you can't prove a motive. Before you could do that, you would have to completely solve the whole controversy over everything that went on in the White House and Arkansas, and even then, you would have to know a heck of a lot more about what went on within the NSA, the Travel Office, and on, and on, and on. It's hopeless. Give it up." Proper response: You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. Your completely evade issues and keep others from daring to attempt it by making it a much bigger mountain than necessary. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics (rule 12 - enigmas have no solution)? 13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact. Example: "The news media operates in a fiercely competitive market where stories are gold. This means they dig, dig, dig for the story -- often doing a better job than law enforcement. If there was any evidence that BATF had prior knowledge of the Oklahoma City bombing, they would surely have uncovered it and reported it. They haven't reported it, so there can't have been any prior knowledge. Put up or shut up." Proper response: You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. Your backwards logic does not work here. Has media reported CIA killed Kennedy when they knew it? No, despite their presence at a courtroom testimony "confession" by CIA operative Marita Lorenz in a libel trial between E. Howard Hunt and Liberty Lobby, they only told us the trial verdict. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics (rule 13 - Alice in Wonderland logic)? And definitely obtain Michael Collins Piper's "FINAL JUDGMENT", which explains the Mossad's role in JFK hit, contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] for details. 14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best for items qualifying for rule 10. Example: "Since you know so much, if James Earl Ray is innocent as you claim, who really killed Martin Luther King, how was it planned and executed, how did they frame Ray and fool the FBI, and why?" Proper response: You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. It is not necessary to completely resolve any full matter in order to examine any relative attached issue. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics (rule 14 - demand complete solutions)? 15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place. Example: The best definitive example of avoiding issues by this technique is, perhaps, Arlen Specter's Magic Bullet from the Warren Report. Proper response: You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. Your imaginative twisting of facts rivals that of Arlen Specter's Magic Bullet in the Warren Report. We all know why the magic bullet was invented. Why do you refuse to address the issues by use of such disinformation tactics (rule 15 - invoke authority)? And definitely obtain Michael Collins Piper's "FINAL JUDGMENT", which explains the Mossad's role in JFK hit, contact mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] for details. 16. Vanishing evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue. Example: "You can't say Paisley is still alive... that his death was faked and the list of CIA agents found on his boat deliberately placed there to support a purge at CIA. You have no proof. Why can't you accept the Police reports?" True, since the dental records and autopsy report showing his body was two inches two long and the teeth weren't his were lost right after his wife demanded inquiry, and since his body was cremated before she could view it -- all that remains are the Police Reports. Handy. Proper response: There is no suitable response to actual vanished materials or persons, unless you can shed light on the matter, particularly if you can tie the event to a cover up or other criminality. However, with respect to dialog where it is used against the discussion, you can respond... You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. The best you can say is that the matter is in contention based on highly
[CTRL] Hoffmans Oklahoma book ordered destroyed
-Caveat Lector- This is just in from the RichSlick mailing list. David Hoffman's complete book, "The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror" is available at the hyperlink below. Can anyone verify that it has been ordered destroyed? Gavin. A HREF="http://www.constitution.org/ocbpt/ocbpt.txt"http://www.constitution .org/ocbpt/ocbpt.txt/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Very Good TWA 800 Article/Edward Zehr
-Caveat Lector- http://twa800.com/news/ww11-15-99.htm Going After Boeing Washington Weekly November 15, 1999 By EDWARD ZEHR The Seattle Times recently took the Boeing company to task for engaging in "a quiet pursuit of far-fetched theories" regarding the crash of TWA Flight 800 in 1996 It seems that the company incurred the stern disapproval of the newspaper which noted that "Boeing has actually refused to rule out a bomb or missile in the July 1996 TWA crash." How gauche of Boeing not to snap to attention, click heels and salute smartly when the government barks an order. Once more our vaunted "free" press show themselves to be the government's obedient, fawning bootlickers. (With a few honorable exceptions, such as the Riverside Press-Enterprise, which reported on the glaring discrepancies in the government's account of the crash early on). With all possible due deference to the editorial writers at the Seattle Times, who seem to have bestowed themselves honorary qualifications as aerospace experts almost as freely as Oxford cloaked its errant, one-time scholar, Bill Clinton, with an honorary doctorate as a consolation prize for the one he failed to earn as a student there, what actual qualifications do they have to utter definitive opinions on so technical a subject? Do they really imagine that they are better qualified than Boeing's engineers to understand the subject matter? Ah, but Boeing has a vested interest in avoiding possible liability for the crash -- they are being sued by family members of some of the crash victims. I might add that an inveterate, kneejerk-liberal rag such as the Seattle Times also has a vested interest in covering up possible malfeasance by Clinton administration officials who have played fast and loose with the crash investigation from the very outset. According to the November 8 Progressive Review, Boeing is presently "conducting chemical metallurgical tests, [and] reviewing FBI interviews with witnesses, many of whom saw something apparently streaking towards the plane before the crash." Yes, it would be nice to know why more than a hundred eyewitnesses saw something streaking towards the plane just before the crash if, in fact, nothing was streaking towards the plane -- you know, abstruse technical considerations such as that. Occasionally I get e-mail from people who wish to know why I sometimes inject psychological considerations into my commentary. The answer is, I do it because our present political dementia cannot be fully explained using logical considerations alone. I would cite, for example, the low comedy of hardcore administration supporters on Usenet (sort of the low-rent district of Internet) trying desperately to make sense of the fantasy leaked by government "investigators" to their pals in the mainstream media. The hallucination in question had to do with an "explanation" of the light seen streaking up toward the aircraft as streams of fuel from the plane's ruptured tanks which were somehow ignited and burned from the bottom up, appearing to those on the ground as the glow of a missile streaking up towards the plane. Now, anyone who would believe so preposterous an "explanation" as that must have flunked high school physics. (Who takes physics in high school any more? It's far too difficult for the little sweethearts -- that's why our engineering and physical science graduate schools are chock-a-block with foreign students these days). Not that there is anything particularly technical about this issue. Even an individual so technically dim as a mainstream anchor person should be able to understand it, although none of them seemed to get it. Anyone with so much as half a brain and a smidgen of common sense ought to be able to figure out that fuel ejected into the atmosphere from a ruptured tank at hundreds of miles per hour is going to atomize and vaporize, not fall towards earth in neat little stream while trailing along behind the aircraft at full speed like a faithful little puppy dog. How did the Times characterize Boeing's investigation -- "a quiet pursuit of far-fetched theories"? I ! wonder if their editorial writers are familiar with the Arab expression, "to strain at a gnat and swallow a camel"? As a one-time aerospace engineer with 35 years of experience, I guess the thing that bothers me most about TWA-800 is the number of aerospace professionals who simply do not believe the government's version of the mishap. Unfortunately, the writers at the Seattle Times seem to lack the intellectual honesty and personal integrity to acknowledge this, although they are certainly in a position to know about it. Instead of seeking the truth, they set about disinforming the public using snide innuendo, unsupported by verifiable facts, shrill name-calling (e.g. "paranoid conspiracy theorists") and very little else. All of this is done in pursuit of a smelly little hidden agenda which these
[CTRL] **Censored**F ZoneMovie , not in videos stores or theatres ...
-Caveat Lector- From: Richard Leroy Lancial [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The F Zone ICE: I am sending this to you in hopes you will forward it on out to members of your list. This is a must see movie that will NOT be available through normal retail outlets nor will it be available through the video rental outlet stores. Thanks! God Bless! Hail Victory! Dick Lancial [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE F ZONE The Most Controversial Film of the Decade! "Historically fueled, politically explosive!" WITH THE I.R.S. YOURE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT BUT THE TAX REVOLT HAS BEGUN. THE F ZONE One man is fighting for his rights and only one woman can save him. The insurgence of patriot groups, militias and other similar organizations is related to the rising discontent with the tax system as well as the federal government. These groups, in general feel the government has become too powerful an entity in which the rights of the individual are continually eroded. Recent disclosures, such as the governments radiation experiments upon unwitting participants, the Iran-Contra drugs-for-weapons scandal, the leaving behind of American POWs in North Korea, or the CIAs fundraising by selling crack in inner cities, has lead to an ever increasing distrust of the government. Now recent evidence has suggested that the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution, upon which all purported authority for modern taxation rests, was never legally ratified. We pray every American can see this 101 minute movie while there is still an opportunity to do so! This movie was to be released in theaters in the Spring of 1999 but for obvious reasons never made it. The chances of major stores stocking "THE F ZONE" are slim to none because of its controversial nature. This movie is professionally and well produced and the expense to film such a production was quite expensive (over 3 million dollars Im told). The value of this movie lies not only in entertainment, but as a valuable educational source as well. To place an order, please send check, money order (LEAVE "PAYEE" BLANK) or cash in the amount of $30.00 plus $3.00 for shipping and handling to: Patriot / Law Publications P.O. Box 86507, Creston Station Portland, Oregon state (97206) (ORDERS WILL BE SHIPPED WITHIN 48 HOURS OF RECEIVING, HOWEVER, PAYMENT BY CHECK WILL DELAY SHIPMENT UNTIL AFTER THE CHECK CLEARS THE BANK SYSTEM) (ALSO NOTE: This is a movie grade video. It is NOT a copy of a copy of a copy, etc.) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Check out HIGH TIMES - January 2000
-Caveat Lector- Nice one Kris. Gavin. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: [TheFrogPond] Battle in Seattle: 'Anarchists' ruin the message]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/1/99 6:49:10 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: "Deuce" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let me first start by saying that I think the media here in Seattle have covered the protests here very fairly. They have voiced the concerns raised by the people in the streets. It doesn't appear to be the case with= national media. That said, something strange is happening here. The VAST majority of protesters and demonstrators in our streets have been extremely well= behaved and non-violent. But there is a small faction of criminals that are overshadowing this peaceful demonstration. Calling themselves "Anarchists", the black-clad hooded idiots have been allowed to run amuck in our city, smashing in windows, upturning newspaper boxes, smashing up cars, attacking members of the press and spraying graffiti everywhere. Our local CBS (KIRO) affiliate had an on scene reporter named Meagan Black who followed this criminal band around the streets for more than two hours. Where were the police during all this? They were busy gassing the NON-VIOLENT crowds!!! I can't tell you how many times we heard Ms. Black asking why aren't the police doing anything about this! Why haven't these jerks been arrested? Something fishy going on when the cops gas peaceful people and allow criminals to have free reign. The city went into a state of civil emergency. A curfew was implemented in downtown Seattle. The National Guard and 300 state troopers have been= called in. The Mayor has vowed that what happened today will not be allowed to continue. The crowds have been pushed out of the downtown up into the residential areas. Massive amounts a tear gas are being thrown into the crowds and it's getting into people's homes. All this because of a small group of jerks who stole the spotlight from the real protestors. Their violence has stolen the spotlight from the real message that was= meant to take place here, and it's very sad, and more than a little bit suspicious. -Deuce [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#395993 http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Keep/4885/ http://skywatch.iwarp.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: Clinton set to declare national emergency]
-Caveat Lector- Clinton set to declare national emergency More than 50 simultaneous Y2K crises expected, stretching resources to limit hr size="1" By David M. Bresnahan copy; 1999 WorldNetDaily.com President Clinton has already made plans to declare a nationalemergency because of expected disruptions caused by the Y2K computer problem, according to Federal Emergency Management Agency documents. A final training session followed by a mock Y2K disaster exercisewill include the actual disruptions and problems that Y2K emergency planners believe will take place during the change to the New Year. Plans for the emergency declaration were made known to Federal Emergency Management Agency officials and other federal employees in preparation for use of the Information Coordination Center, set up by the President's Council on the Year 2000 conversion. The plans were also given to the Senate Committee on the Year 2000 Technology Problem. The staff on hand at the Information Coordination Center have been told to expect a presidential declaration of a national emergency. FEMA staff who will run the regional emergency operation centers have also beentold the same thing. "Should it become necessary, a presidential 'emergency,' rather than a 'major disaster,' will be declared, and assistance will be focused on addressing threats to life, health, safety, and property," the Senate committee was told in a report from Lacy E. Suiter from the Response and Recovery Directorate of FEMA. A national emergency will be declared because FEMA officials haveconcluded that there will be more than 50 simultaneous Y2K-related disruptions throughout the country, which will stretch the nation's local, state and national emergency resources to the limit. The Department of Defense is so concerned that the deputy secretary of defense, John J. Hamre, has issued a memorandum to commanders in the field to be very cautious about using the military to assist civil agencies. Hamre said local requests for help might seem appropriate, but he warned local commanders to be cautious about using the military to help with Y2K disruptions. "Immediate responses that appear rational from a local perspective,but could collectively undermine the department's ability to execute operational missions" should be ruled out, said Hamre. Hamre has ordered commanders to avoid using the military for Y2Kproblems unless there is a threat to life or damage to property. The warning applies to domestic as well as international requests for help. The anticipation of a multitude of simultaneous problems that would stretch the ability of the government to respond is the driving forcebehind the plans for declaration of a national emergency. Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah, told WorldNetDaily there is a very real fear that the enemies of the United States could conduct domestic terrorist attacks because they will expect the country to be weakened due to the military's having to deal with Y2K disruptions. He said there is also a possibility that cyber-terrorism attacks might even try to sabotage computers to create what appear to be Y2K computer failures, in order to enhance opportunities for terrorists to conduct further attacks on U.S. cities. Suiter says many small, localized disruptions are expected to occur.Response should come from local and state agencies "to the maximum extent possible," he said. FEMA has been conducting training for local police and fire officials in an effort to help them be better preparedfor Y2K emergencies and reduce the need for federal assistance. FEMA officials who attended training in each of the 10 FEMA regions were told a major disaster declaration was ruled out because the Y2K problems will not "involve a natural disaster," according to the presentationmaterials used and provided to WorldNetDaily. "A presidential 'emergency' rather than 'major disaster' declaration will be made if Y2K consequences exceed state/local response resources," FEMA staff and other federal agencies were told at the regionalmeetings. Peter Kind of the Information Coordination Center sent a memorandumto staff members to guide them in preparations for final training exercises Dec. 6 to 9. He wants the exercises to be as real as possible, and asked for recommendations on what Y2K problems are actually expected. Although Suiter claims "no one knows for sure what will happenfollowing rollover to January 1," those who will staff the Information Coordination Center have been asked by Kind to submit a list of the most likely Y2K disruptions for use in the final Y2K disaster training and exercise. "We want to exercise the rollover sequence with special emphasis on what could happen when, as midnight and subsequent critical periods such as business hours, opening of financial markets, etc., follow the timeline westward. We invite you to help identify the high probability and high-risk items that might occur, by time zone, both for use in
[CTRL] **IMPORTANT** Possible Martial Law in Texas
-Caveat Lector- Just in from Jack DeVault, ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) author of The Waco Whitewash . I'm e-mailing him for further verification, e-mail addresses etc. Very interesting, to say the least. Gavin. Monday, November 29, 1999 MARTIAL LAW HAS BEGUN! Article on the Military policing 77 Texas Counties Released Today. Martial Law is Here! By Ed Hohmann Infowars.com Exclusive While everyone has been wondering what excuse the Federal Government will use to declare Martial Law, we have been living under it. For years, right here in Texas, US Army soldiers have been performing civilian law enforcement duties off base. According to a US Army SWAT Entry Team Leader with the 38th MP unit at Fort Hood, the City of Killeen has been using the Fort Hood SWAT Team to serve warrants and arrest civilians for at least the past two years. Apparently, Killeen does not have a SWAT Team of its own, so the city uses US Army soldiers instead. The Army, for its part, seems only too happy to oblige. All of this came to light Wednesday morning when Mike Hanson, cameraman for documentary film maker Alex Jones, spotted a bus being searched on a blocked-off stretch of the feeder road along I-35 in the middle of Temple. Mike was on his way to Waco with a load of building materials for the new Mount Carmel Chapel. With his camera ever at the ready, Mike got off at the next exit and swung back around to film the incident. Other local media were already at the scene of what appeared to be an ordinary police search. The subject of the search was a Greyhound bus that was stopped at 5:00 AM on its way from Dallas to San Antonio in response to a bomb threat. Lt. Best, the Temple police officer responsible for the media, immediately approached Mike and informed him that this was a military operation being conducted by the EOD group from Ft. Hood. Lt. Best requested that Mike not film the faces of the soldiers performing the search, but film them from the back only. Mike said that we did not have secret military police in this country, and wanted an explanation as to why these soldiers could not be filmed. Lt. Best responded, "They do stuff like this and they just dont want the people to know what theyve done." Lt. Best outlined the search plan to Mike. First, the bus had been cleared by a bomb-sniffing dog and the passengers had been removed to a remote location. Currently, the passengers were being returned in small groups to retrieve their belongings to be searched. Then, the bus would be searched a final time, and the passengers would be free to board the bus and continue on their journey from Dallas to San Antonio. Mike expressed his concern about the use of secret military units to perform this search, referring to the Delta Force exercises in South Texas earlier this year. Lt. Bests response was, "These guys arent Delta Force. We all know these guys, we work with them all the time." Lt. Best refused to elaborate further about the relationship between the Temple Police Department and the US Army because "I dont like how you do your business." What the lieutenant did not like was that Mike was questioning the extraordinary restrictions that were being placed on the media coverage, rather than meekly bowing in acceptance. The Waco office of the Texas Department of Public Safety originally notified the Temple police department of the bomb threat. The Texas Department of Public Safety has a top-notch bomb disposal unit, yet they were not called out. Why were Army soldiers searching the passengers belongings? The local police should have performed this duty. The traveling public is not supposed to be stopped and
[CTRL] ***JAMES SANDERS NEW BOOK***
-Caveat Lector- I've just found out about Sanders' latest book on TWA 800 and the persecution meted out to him and his wife.Introduction below. Gavin. A HREF="http://www.altered-evidence.com/ch1.doc"Altered-Evidence/A Im a retired police officer and investigative journalist. For almost fifteen years I have used the skills learned on the job in Southern California law enforcement to investigate wrongdoing within the federal government. This is my fourth book related to that subject. July 17, 1996, TWA Flight 800, a 747 with 230 passengers and crew, crashed less than ten miles south of Long Island. All 230 onboard died. During the first hours after the crash the airwaves were filled with eyewitness accounts of a missile streaking up into the air and a plane falling into the water. Within two months the New York Times was carrying Flight 800 stories that sounded more like FBI propaganda than journalism. And NBC evening news became the preferred method by which the NTSB began to spin a story around a mysterious mechanical event. Reporters began telling me about stories questioning the official government line being spiked. Stories about Navy divers removing highly sensitive debris from the ocean floor within forty-eight hours after the crash. Stories about military officers admitting off the record that a major screw-up had caused the crash. Stories about Navy sources telling of a large concentration of Navy ships south of Long Island, the launch of a drone and friendly fire. I eventually developed sources within government and the Flight 800 investigation. A stream of documents and forensic evidence became available establishing beyond a reasonable doubt that obstruction of justice was ongoing at the senior levels of those within government that controlled the investigation. I wrote a book entitled The Downing of TWA Flight 800. Released in April 1997, it provided the American public with a view of the TWA Flight 800 investigation never before seen. Government documents used to write the book revealed a much different initiating event than the governments version. These documents said FAA radar technicians saw a missile on the radar and immediately notified the White House. The documents also said there was damage to the recovered debris consistent with a missile warhead explosion in the center-wing-tank (CWT). The documents said there was an initial, narrow area of damage that crossed the 747 in the area immediately in front of the CWT, generally in a right-to-left direction. My best source inside the investigation said there was a reddish-orange residue trail in this exact area. Eventually, he obtained two small samples of the residue and I had them tested. They were consistent with the residue from a solid fuel missile. Further investigation, after The Downing of TWA Flight 800 was published, established that more than 98% of the residues volume was consistent with an explosive event. The government counterattacked, saying the residue was glue. After months of ducking and dodging, trying not to name the glue, the NTSB said the residue was 3M, 1357 HP Adhesive. They pointed to NASA Chemist Charles Bassett as the scientist who confirmed this fact. I obtained a notarized affidavit from Charles Bassett. His written statement debunks the governments glue allegation. But I did not stop there. A sample of 3M 1357 HP Adhesive was tested by Florida State University (FSU) and compared to my residues elemental analysis. FSU confirmed beyond any doubt that the government lied about my residue being 3M glue. Then, Dr. Merritt Birky, the NTSB bureaucrat in charge of the Flight 800 Fire Explosion team, admitted that the government never tested my residue. Why? He indicated the government was afraid of the results. By this time you can almost visualize the Justice Department swooping down and hauling away the responsible miscreants through a frenzied throng of media. Unfortunately, the Justice Department, including the FBI, was involved in this scheme to obstruct justice and rewrite the history of TWA Flight 800. They were not going to investigate and imprison themselves. Three months after The Downing of TWA Flight 800 was published, the head of the National Transportation Safety Board, Jim Hall, under oath, before Congress, admitted the NTSB had essentially removed mechanical as a possible cause of the downing of Flight 800: Congressman TRAFFICANT: I would just like the panelists to answer my questions yes or no. If you cant, just say you cant answer it. First question, Mr. Hall. Hypotheses and theories and opinion, not a fact, correct? Hypothesis is theory, correct? NTSB Chairman Jim Hall: Yes. TRAFFICANT: To this point, has any physical evidence [surfaced], conclusive forensic evidence, to prove it was a mechanical failure that caused the explosion of the center fuel tank? Yes or no. HALL: Were looking at that. TRAFFICANT: I want a one [word] answer. I
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[CTRL] Excellent Waco article from SOF
-Caveat Lector- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carolyn Hart) Subject: [piml] Waco article from SOF From Free Republic-- Source: Soldier Of Fortune Published: December 1999 Author: SOF Staff Posted on 11/12/1999 08:56:29 PST by PJ-Comix As the sun set over the Texas prairie that last night of February 1993 the nation sat stunned. The events that unfolded that day near the peaceful town of Waco saw four federal agents and six members of an obscure religious sect shot dead, and many more on each side wounded. What had begun as a botched raid by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms rapidly escalated into the largest shoot-out in American law-enforcement history. It was also soon to grow into the greatest scandal ever faced by the country's self-anointed, premier law enforcement agencythe Federal Bureau of Investigation. With the morning sun came the FBI, replete with loudspeakers. floodlights, the infamous Hostage Rescue Team ... and U.S. military main battle tanks. They were, by God, going to war. Those scumbags holed-up in that ramshackle church had not only killed federal lawmen, they had committed the unpardonable sin of contempt-of-cop. For this transgression the Branch Davidians. their children, and their leader, David Koresh, would pay with their lives. Although it was now an FBI show, the on-site FBI agents were split into two camps. One was comprised of the hostage negotiators. who, for the most part, worked hard to give Koresh and his followers a dignified and survivable way out. At the other end of the spectrum were the tactical teams. Fueled by a limitless supply of testosterone, they couldn't wait for kick-ass action. In the end, brawn overcame brains and the resulting massacre, embodied in the single word "Waco." came to symbolize the darkest chapter in American law enforcement history. Although touted by the likes of Democratic Congressmen Charles Schumer and Tom Lantos as being the epitome of righteousness, the actions of the FBI tactical teams at Waco were, at the least reprehensible, and at the most outright criminal. Had any other lass enforcement or military agency conducted itself the way the FBI did at Waco its officers would he in jail! With the potential for a PR nightmare looming, the first thing on the agenda was to demonize the Branch Davidians to such a point that they appeared sub-human in the eyes of the world. This part was easy: Simply cut off all contact with the outside world, especially the press. Herd the news media to a point 2 miles from the besieged building and feed them carefully scripted propaganda. Part of the plan was witnessed during the first week when the Davidians, urged on by the feds, made a video tape inside Mount Carmel showing the wounds suffered by some of them during the initial firefight. However, when the tape was viewed by the FBI it didn't show the expected wild-eyed cultists. Instead, it showed a group of very real and frightened men, women and children. It put a very human face on the Davidians. Fearing the public reaction if this tape was released, it was decided to withhold it from the press. Whatever the media or the populace was to learn about Koresh and his people was to come directly from the FBI and ATF. The major flaw in this plan was that agents themselves rapidly forgot that they were dealing with living, breathing human beings. They, too, saw the Davidians as untermenchen. While most people remember the distant TV images of glaring spotlights and blaring loudspeakers, cranking out everything from the cries of bunny rabbits being slaughtered to Nancy Sinatra singing about. "Boots," "boxes of matches" and "getting burnt." few were aware of the other actions being carried out by the FBI tactical teams. For example: Clearly intending to terrorize the Davidians, FBI drivers of the tanks and Bradley Fighting Vehicles would race their vehicles toward the building, stopping short at the last moment. Sometimes this tactic failed and the wooden structure was actually hit. FBI tank and Bradley crews repeatedly drove around Mount Cannel mooning and extending their middle fingers to the Davidians. When complaints were made about these vulgar displays, FBI negotiator John Cox replied that the agents were simply acting from, "frustration and anguish." Branch Davidian, Peter Gent, killed during the initial ATF raid, was buried outside the main building in full view of the FBI. During the ensuing weeks, over protestations by the Davidians, agents repeatedly ran over his grave with armored vehicles. Early on in the siege, agents descended on a garage rented by the Davidians some distance from Mount Carmel. As the owner, a local banker, keys in-hand, was shoved
[CTRL] Waco: A New Revelation
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