Re: [cwelug] Meeting today from 1-4

[Don Ellis]

This time I got the message!
On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 12:44 AM Scott Granneman  wrote:

> 1-4 pm
>
> My place:
> 39 Summit Place
> 
> Webster Groves, MO 63119
> 
>
> Please take off your shoes.
> Scott
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[cwelug] October meeting?

[Don Ellis]

Has Scott posted a notice than no one else can see?

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Re: [cwelug] September meeting

[Don Ellis]

I just got reply from Scott. We WILL be meeting today.

On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 1:01 PM Robert Levitt  wrote:

> It looks like we’re not having a meeting today.
>
> *R. Levitt*
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> On Sep 2, 2018, at 12:53 PM, Don Ellis  wrote:
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> On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 10:09 AM Thomas Kirk  wrote:
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>> crickets?
>>
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> The Sound of Silence
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Re: [cwelug] September meeting

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On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 10:09 AM Thomas Kirk  wrote:

> crickets?
>

The Sound of Silence

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Re: [cwelug] September meeting

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On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 5:34 PM Robert Levitt  wrote:

> Will there be a CWELUG meeting tomorrow?
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Re: [cwelug] No meeting today

[Don Ellis]

Subject to my son’s schedule, works for me!

—Don


On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 11:40 AM Scott Granneman  wrote:

> I'm out of town. How's next Sunday for everyone?
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[cwelug] CWELUG meeting today?

[Don Ellis]

I've seen no discussion of getting together, this first Sunday of May. Will
Scott be home? Will anyone else plan to attend?

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[cwelug] Meeting Sunday?

[Don Ellis]

It's that time again. Seems like it was just last month we got together.

Anybody interested in getting together? I might be getting together with my
kid & his kid; if not I'll plan to be at Scott's (if Scott's there).

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[cwelug] Meeting Sunday?

[Don Ellis]

How about it, Scott, Robert, Tom, Robert, Mike? Any chance to get together
tomorrow?

I have an actual challenge everyone might be interested in, which is
actually Linux related and appropriate for the venue. Questions about
configuring Apache (or other) web server in Synology. There's pretty much
no documentation specific to that vendor anywhere I have found, and what I
have found seems not to work.

What I want to do is configure the server to allow a web browser to see a
file listing, so the user can open a file and view it with the client's
builtin audio or video player. I've set Apache to do this on my Mac Pro 1,1
(MacOS 10.5.8), but I haven't succeeded in duplicating the results on the
Synology with similar settings. I hope there's a detail I'm missing that we
can snoop out and correct.

Meeting or not, any suggestions are welcome.

--Don

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Re: [cwelug] Meeting Sunday?

[Don Ellis]

Are we all feeling better this week (or at least well enough)?

Sounds like the weather may be somewhat less unpleasant than last week...
(correct me if I'm wrong, please -- my friends back home had a day in the
40s recently (should be in 60s at least) -- brr!)

--Don

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Re: [cwelug] Meeting Sunday?

[Don Ellis]

Ok, I reread the forecast, and it says that the warmer air temperatures
allow rain, but ground temperatures remain cold, so the rain will freeze
when it hits surfaces. Not good driving weather.
In my home town, after they had deadly cold weather last week, (around
30F), temperatures returned to normal (high in upper 60s, low upper 40s).
The idea of rain falling on colder ground is still new to me.

Probably not good to be driving around today.

--Don



On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 11:04 AM Robert Levitt <rblev...@sbcglobal.net>
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> Let’s see what Scott says.
>
> *R. Levitt*
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2018, at 11:57 PM, Don Ellis <don.el...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> According to my app's forecast for Scott's area, the temperature shouldn't
> drop below freezing during Sunday, rainy and miserable, but could be much
> worse.
>
> However, if Scott's not feeling well, I would accept the proposal to
> postpone until next week. Second? Hear the ayes?
>
> --Don
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 10:06 PM Robert Levitt <rblev...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Personally, I think you should rest up at home and reschedule the meeting
>> for the 14th.
>>
>> *R. Levitt*
>>
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 09:41 PM, Scott Granneman <sc...@granneman.com> wrote:
>>
>> Guys, I’m not sure about it. I have a cold, & the weather is supposed to
>> be crap. Are you guys really willing to come over?
>> Scott
>>
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>> capable of being emperor, until he became one’)”
>> ---Roman historian Tacitus on Roman Emperor Galba
>>
>> On 6 Jan 2018, at 14:01, Thomas Kirk wrote:
>>
>> i am interested. but what about the weather? ice?
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Don Ellis <don.el...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Everybody in town & ready to get together?
>>>
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Re: [cwelug] Meeting Sunday?

[Don Ellis]

According to my app's forecast for Scott's area, the temperature shouldn't
drop below freezing during Sunday, rainy and miserable, but could be much
worse.

However, if Scott's not feeling well, I would accept the proposal to
postpone until next week. Second? Hear the ayes?

--Don


On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 10:06 PM Robert Levitt <rblev...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Personally, I think you should rest up at home and reschedule the meeting
> for the 14th.
>
> *R. Levitt*
>
>
> On Jan 6, 2018, at 09:41 PM, Scott Granneman <sc...@granneman.com> wrote:
>
> Guys, I’m not sure about it. I have a cold, & the weather is supposed to
> be crap. Are you guys really willing to come over?
> Scott
>
> R. Scott Granneman
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> Contact info: granneman.tel
>
> “Omnium consensu capax imperii nisi imperasset (‘Everyone thought he was
> capable of being emperor, until he became one’)”
> ---Roman historian Tacitus on Roman Emperor Galba
>
> On 6 Jan 2018, at 14:01, Thomas Kirk wrote:
>
> i am interested. but what about the weather? ice?
>
> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Don Ellis <don.el...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Everybody in town & ready to get together?
>>
>> --
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>>
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[cwelug] Meeting Sunday?

[Don Ellis]

Everybody in town & ready to get together?

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[cwelug] Meeting Sunday 11/5?

[Don Ellis]

Are we on, usual time, usual place?

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Re: [cwelug] Meeting Sunday, 9/3

[Don Ellis]

Thanks!

--Don


On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 10:01 PM Scott Granneman  wrote:

> Meeting tomorrow.
>
> My house: 39 Summit Place 63119
>
> Time: 1–4
>
> Take off yer shoes!
>
> See ya then.
>
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[cwelug] Meeting this Sunday

[Don Ellis]

It's about that time again. Are we meeting?

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Re: [cwelug] VPNs

[Don Ellis]

Curious about effect of using VPN to send messages encrypted by GPG? Of
course, the big problem with GPG is that the other guy has to have it too.

On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 8:02 PM Mike B.  wrote:

> Apparently the Donald has signed S.J. 34 and stripped us of our privacy.
> There has been a lot of noise over VPNs not being anonymous or safe, esp.
> by Techdirt.  So I came across a couple of articles on VPNs and wonder what
> people think about them:
>
>
> https://free-dissociation.com/blog/posts/2017/03/quick-and-dirty-vpn-advice/
>
> and
>
> https://gist.github.com/kennwhite/1f3bc4d889b02b35d8aa
>
>
> The last is by ken white, lawyer and popehat blogger.
>

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Re: [cwelug] meeting Sunday 3/5/17?

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Will we be LUGing this weekend?

--Don

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[cwelug] We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when... This Sunday?

[Don Ellis]

Will this Sunday at Scott's be the next meeting of the fabulous CWE-LUG?

--Don

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Re: [cwelug] Meeting this Sunday cancelled

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Glad I didn't try to come over today. Will watch for further notes next
week!

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 5:58 PM Mike B.  wrote:

> yup.
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 2:28 AM, Robert Levitt 
> wrote:
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> Sounds good to me.
>
> *R. Levitt*
>
> > On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Scott Granneman  wrote:
> >
> > I’ll be out of town. Next Sunday work for people?
> >
> > Scott
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Re: [cwelug] noob of raspberry pi fame

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I have things to talk to Tom about too. G5 tower and MacBook Pro 17"

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Re: [cwelug] No meeting January 1

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What about Jan 8?

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[cwelug] Meeting this Sunday 12/4?

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No query from Mike? Tom? Robert(s)?

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[cwelug] Re: Are we on for Sunday?

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That question arises once again.

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[cwelug] Are we on for Sunday?

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It's that time again, and First Monday is again a holiday.

As Mike has said, would be nice to know a day in advance...

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Re: [cwelug] Meeting this Sunday?

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No response from Scott; guess I'll spend the afternoon doing errands.
Maybe next month?

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>> SSD implant for my MacBook Pro.
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Re: [cwelug] Meeting this Sunday?

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Guess it's good my lack of response wasn't unique.

Did you attend last month?

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>>
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Re: [cwelug] Meeting this Sunday?

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Will you be there this Sunday?

I have something to do that would benefit from some table space. And you
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[cwelug] Meeting this Sunday?

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Are we on, or are we off?

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Re: [cwelug] We on for tomorrow?

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I sent Scott an SMS, and got reply moments ago: out of town, so no meeting.

On Saturday, February 6, 2016, Mike B.  wrote:

> Or does the Supurb Owl take precedence?
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Re: [cwelug] We on for tomorrow?

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Will be watching for Scott's confirmation that we will meet next week.

--Don


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>> Or does the Supurb Owl take precedence?
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Re: [cwelug] No meeting

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Happy birthday to Finny! 

On Sunday, December 13, 2015, Scott Granneman  wrote:

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Re: [cwelug] meeting sunday?

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No answer yet?

Unfortunately, I have a memorial service to attend on Sunday.

I'll be watching this space to see if the meeting is on, or will be rescheduled.

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Re: [cwelug] meeting Sunday?

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The same thought came to my mind. Weather sounds like it might be
nasty, but will be able to tell better later in the day (like
tonight?).

So, will we?

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Re: [cwelug] Interesting off topic article

[Don Ellis]

Thanks, Mike!

I knew the numbers were there somewhere, I just didn't quite know where to
look. The critical number is return per acre. This researcher nailed it!

--Don


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 http://www.salon.com/2013/11/10/walmart_an_economic_cancer_on_our_cities/

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Re: [cwelug] Meeting this Sunday

[Don Ellis]

Mike, thanks for the consideration. I had my shot, which is expected
to be about 50% effective (less than the 80% sometimes achieved, but
better than the 40% also sometimes achieved).

[Note that deaths in the US due to influenza are expected to number in
the tens of thousands. Contrast the number of US deaths due to Ebola.]

My aunt, they say, died of influenza, but I think they done her in.
--Eliza Doolittle, My Fair Lady


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 I should not go, since I had type b influenza.  I'm over it,  but according
 to the CDC I could possibly still be contagious.

 On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Don Ellis don.el...@gmail.com wrote:

 I haven't heard Mike B ask this yet (or did I sleep through
 cancellation discussion last month?):

 Are we meeting tomorrow (Pearl Harbor Day, 12/7)?

 --Don

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Re: [cwelug] Meeting this Sunday

[Don Ellis]

Happy birthday to Finn!

And, looking forward to seeing you in January - Happy Christmas and
Merry New Year!

--Don


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 I apologize for the late notice, but we will not be meeting today. This is
 Finn's birthday weekend, and we have had parties every day. Scott will be
 away next weekend, so we will plan to meet next in January. We will be away
 on the first Sunday of January, so we will plan to meet on Sunday, January
 11th.

 I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving and that you all have a very happy
 Christmas and New Year's. See you in 2015!

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Re: [cwelug] Meeting this Sunday

[Don Ellis]

Turning 6 this week?

--Don


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[cwelug] Meeting this Sunday

[Don Ellis]

I haven't heard Mike B ask this yet (or did I sleep through
cancellation discussion last month?):

Are we meeting tomorrow (Pearl Harbor Day, 12/7)?

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Re: [cwelug] Are we on for Sunday?

[Don Ellis]

Sorry, I was going to ask, but got distracted...

--Don


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 Again.

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Re: [cwelug] Malvertising for Mac and Windows

[Don Ellis]

A little different from the windows that pop up and show signs of
being for the wrong OS...

Scary point is that the malware is loaded when the user installs an
app the user really wants to have, a legitimate piece of software that
has been modified to install the malware too.

--Don


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 So wait - you go to a site, get redirected to another site which has nothing
 to do with the original site, which then downloads a program that has
 nothing to do with the original site,  then, IF you install that program
 (which on a Mac should require you to enter your Admin password), you’re
 infected.

 I guess some people are that stupid, but Jesus…

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 On 8 Sep 2014, at 22:07, Mike B. wrote:

 Kyle and Stan on many websites including Amazon:


 http://blogs.cisco.com/security/kyle-and-stan/


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[cwelug] Arch Linux problem: Need help - fdisk fubar'd

[Don Ellis]

Lee's having a problem partitioning a SD card for running Arch Linux on a
RPi. Has allocated all remaining space with fdisk, but df only shows 2G
allocated.

Suggestions?

--Don Ellis

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Re: [cwelug] Dead code: a little off topic but interesting

[Don Ellis]

I don't get it - how is this off topic? (Unless being on topic would
require asking if the meeting is on)

:-)

--Don


On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Mike B. mikeb2g...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.joshwoodward.com/song/DeadCode


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[cwelug] Fwd: Tomorrow: Reset the Net

[Don Ellis]

Thought everyone on this list might like to see this event. Sign up, and
things should start popping about noon Eastern time.

The event page includes a list of security tools chosen from the bounty of
free software. Maybe at the next meeting, we can exchange our GPG keys?

--Don



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From: David Segal, DemandProgress.org i...@demandprogress.org
Date: Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 4:42 PM
Subject: Tomorrow: Reset the Net
To: Donald Ellis don.el...@gmail.com


 Donald-

Tomorrow, Demand Progress will support the Reset the Net project to take
steps toward blocking illegitimate government surveillance from the web.
Momentum is growing -- just yesterday Google, Mozilla, CloudFlare, and
dozens of other major sites announced they’ll be joining our effort to
secure the web.

And, we've gotten word of an extra exciting announcement coming from Edward
Snowden himself.

More on that soon. Here’s what you can do to help us keep up the momentum
right now:

Everyone -- join this social media Thunderclap today to help tell your
friends and family to secure their part of the web TOMORROW, June 5th:

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It only takes a second -- you can sign up with your Twitter, Facebook, or
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Tomorrow Reset the Net will launch a privacy pack where normal Internet
users will find free, easy to use encryption tools that directly disrupt
dragnet surveillance. There are so many other exciting announcements flying
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tomorrow, in your email and in the news. It's going to be exciting.

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[cwelug] Meeting Sunday? (June 1)

[Don Ellis]

How about it? Any surprise plans yet?

(Looks like I beat Mike to the punch - You ok, Mike?)

--Don

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Re: [cwelug] Meeting Sunday? (June 1)

[Don Ellis]

Oops - don't know how I missed that one. Except I've been a little slow on
email lately. Maybe need to improve filter for these messages?

---Don


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  Hi Don,

 Check your email from a week ago.

 Short answer: no!

 Scott

 On May 30, 2014, 3:19 PM, Don Ellis wrote:

   How about it? Any surprise plans yet?

 (Looks like I beat Mike to the punch - You ok, Mike?)

 --Don

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Re: [cwelug] time to try again.

[Don Ellis]

See you there!


On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Robin Woltman ro...@robinwoltman.comwrote:

 Yes! Our place from 1pm to 4pm.

 39 Summit Place
 Webster Groves, MO 63119

 Robin and Scott
 314-780-0489

 Sent from my iPad

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 Are we on for Sunday?

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Re: [cwelug] CWE-LUG Meeting Sunday from 12pm-3pm

[Don Ellis]

With the strong warnings coming out of NOAA, I think I will be battened
down at the usual time of meeting. If I can, I'll try to connect in with
Google Hangouts or some such, but I may be busy instead.

Have fun, guys!

--Don


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 We will host a CWE-LUG meeting this Sunday, January 5th, from 12pm-3pm in
 our home at 39 Summit Place, Webster Groves, MO 63119. Please note that we
 are starting an hour earlier than we usually do.

 CWE-LUG Meeting
 Sunday, January 5th - 12pm - 3pm

 39 Summit Place
 Webster Groves, MO 63119

 We look forward to seeing you on Sunday for our first meeting in 2014!

 Robin Woltman and Scott Granneman

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Re: [cwelug] meeting Sunday Dec 1

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I missed it too. Not feeling well this weekend, so next weekend is better
for me.

--Don


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 missed this when I asked about it.  Next week is fine.


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 Nah, it’s Thanksgiving weekend. Let’s do it the following weekend, on
 Dec. 8.

 That work for everyone?

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  are we meeting this Sunday? thomas

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[cwelug] The Great Linux World Map

[Don Ellis]

This was shared a couple of years ago by Mike B.

http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-world-map.html

Closely related to Thursday's presentation on Linux distros...

--Don Ellis

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Re: [cwelug] Charter price increase

[Don Ellis]

Was your modem DOCSIS3? I get about the same speed, but some things that
didn't work before (or not very well) work much better now.

I decided to bite the bullet and accept their modem, in spite of the price.
I'm going to check my bill and be sure it's still lower, though.

--Don


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 Is it worth $3 less to use their modem?

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  My charter internet jut went up by $13 a month because my contract
 expired. I can change to a different billing and save $3 and use their
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Re: [cwelug] You might want to avoid Linkdin's intro app.

[Don Ellis]

When you put it like that, no, I don't. And, with my current level of
activity, I don't see a lot of benefit for LinkedIn for myself.

If it is sufficiently isolated from other activities, it might be
safe/trustworthy. However, I don't know how many users will be
sophisticated enough to use it responsibly.

--Don



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...


 The question is, do you trust LinkedIn? And are the (minimal) benefits
 worth the risks?

 ...


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Re: [cwelug] You might want to avoid Linkdin's intro app.

[Don Ellis]

LinkedIn published further information


http://engineering.linkedin.com/mobile/linkedin-intro-doing-impossible-ios

that points to a followup from BF:

http://www.bishopfox.com/blog/2013/11/introspection-intro-security/

Maybe not as bad as first rumored...

--Don


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 http://www.bishopfox.com/blog/2013/10/linkedin-intro/



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Re: [cwelug] You might want to avoid Linkdin's intro app.

[Don Ellis]

As I read it, Intro gives you a custom email address, and only email
to/from that address goes through their proxy, and everything is encrypted.
And, they've removed all SSLv2. They're trying to respond to BF, as if
they're using BF to help beta test their product.

Yes, further examination of their structure is warranted. As I don't have
an iPhone [yet], and I don't see any need for LinkedIn profiling on my
email, I won't be pen testing it any time soon.

--Don


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 No, it’s still as bad.

 Do you really want ALL of your email flowing through LinkedIn’s servers?

 No f'in way.

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 Don Ellis wrote:
  LinkedIn published further information
 
 
 
 http://engineering.linkedin.com/mobile/linkedin-intro-doing-impossible-ios
 
  that points to a followup from BF:
 
  http://www.bishopfox.com/blog/2013/11/introspection-intro-security/
 
  Maybe not as bad as first rumored...
 
  --Don
 
 
  On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Mike B. mikeb2g...@gmail.com
  mailto:mikeb2g...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  http://www.bishopfox.com/blog/2013/10/linkedin-intro/


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Re: [cwelug] You might want to avoid Linkdin's intro app.

[Don Ellis]

They indicate that only email sent via the custom email address created for
Intro goes through LinkedIn.

From their response page:

Update, 10/24/13

*We wanted to provide additional information about how LinkedIn Intro
works, so that we can address some of the questions that have been raised.
There are some points that we want to reinforce in order to make sure
members understand how this product works:*

   1. *You have to opt-in and install Intro before you see LinkedIn
   profiles in any email.*
   2. *Usernames, passwords, OAuth tokens, and email contents are not
   permanently stored anywhere inside LinkedIn data centers. Instead, these
   are stored on your iPhone.*
   3. *Once you install Intro, a new Mail account is created on your
   iPhone. Only the email in this new Intro Mail account goes via LinkedIn;
   other Mail accounts are not affected in any way.*
   4. *All communication from the Mail app to the LinkedIn Intro servers is
   fully encrypted. Likewise, all communication from the LinkedIn Intro
   servers to your email provider (e.g. Gmail or Yahoo! Mail) is fully
   encrypted.*
   5. *Your emails are only accessed when the Mail app is retrieving emails
   from your email provider. LinkedIn servers automatically look up the From
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 Nope. From The Verge:

 Essentially, when signing up for the service you authorize LinkedIn to
 scan your emails. When its server detects a person with a LinkedIn profile,
 it adds in data to your email and sends it to you. It's a neat trick, but
 it also means that a third party is scanning all your emails.

 http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/25/5027334/linkedin-intro-
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 On 3 Nov 2013, at 14:15, Don Ellis wrote:

  As I read it, Intro gives you a custom email address, and only email
 to/from that address goes through their proxy, and everything is
 encrypted.
 And, they've removed all SSLv2. They're trying to respond to BF, as if
 they're using BF to help beta test their product.

 Yes, further examination of their structure is warranted. As I don't have
 an iPhone [yet], and I don't see any need for LinkedIn profiling on my
 email, I won't be pen testing it any time soon.

 --Don


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  No, it’s still as bad.

 Do you really want ALL of your email flowing through LinkedIn’s servers?

 No f'in way.

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---Anonymous

 Don Ellis wrote:

 LinkedIn published further information



  http://engineering.linkedin.com/mobile/linkedin-intro-
 doing-impossible-ios


 that points to a followup from BF:

  http://www.bishopfox.com/blog/2013/11/introspection-intro-security/

 Maybe not as bad as first rumored...

 --Don


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Re: [cwelug] CWE-LUG to be postponed for 1Week

[Don Ellis]

Ok. I won't show up tomorrow, then. :-)

--Don


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 Scott and I cannot host the CWE-LUG meeting this week,so let's plan on
 having it next week on Sunday, November 10th, at our house from 1pm-4pm.


 CWE-LUG


 Sunday, November 10th, from 1pm-4pm


 39 Summit Place

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Re: [cwelug] macbook keyboard

[Don Ellis]

In the middle of the last dismantling project, I wished I had recorded
video of the process, to help putting screws back in the right places et al.

Let us know how it comes out (or goes in, as the case may be)...

--Don


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 i recently purchased a used unibody(early) macbook. it worked alright but
 the key board wouldn't work. an external would. i ordered a replacement-
 ebay- china. over 80 small screws to remove and replace. the key board
 arrived today. this will be an experience. thomas kirk

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Re: [cwelug] Why PRISM may kill the cloud.

[Don Ellis]

One radio commentator this morning mentioned that denials from different
companies were worded almost identically, with just minimal changes.

On the same program was a suggestion that perhaps the administration had
allowed/encouraged/originated the leak in order to start this dialog.

Any other creative conspiracy suggestions?



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Re: [cwelug] Next CWE-LUG Meeting

[Don Ellis]

Ok, I've adjusted the calendar accordingly - please check that the
dates look correct (I hit the wrong day at first - twice). I think I
have it correct now.

--Don Ellis

Oh, and I plan to be there too.


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 early, on Sunday, January 27th, from 1pm-4pm, at our house in Webster.

 CWE-LUG Meeting on Sunday, January 27th, from 1pm-4pm

 39 Summit Place
 Webster Groves, Missouri 63119

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Re: [cwelug] Suicide Linux @ Things Of Interest

[Don Ellis]

Sounds interesting. The alternative version would be challenging for a much
longer time, though, deleting chunks at random. Not using root privilege
takes out most of the fun either way.

--Don


On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, Scott Granneman wrote:

 Any takers?

 I have invented Suicide Linux. Any time - *any* time - you type any
 remotely incorrect command, the interpreter creatively resolves it into rm
 -rf / and wipes your hard drive.

 http://qntm.org/suicide

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[cwelug] Re: [GRLUG] Routing between subnets with iptables

[Don Ellis]

We have a solution!

As expected, we will be kicking ourselves for a while for having
overlooked this detail!

Thanks again to everyone who helped - it might have taken quite a bit
longer without you guys...

--Don Ellis


On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:16 PM, L. V. Lammert ... wrote:
 On Thu, 17 Jan 2013, megadave wrote:

 Ok, its possible that the problem is that the machine on the .1
 network, doesnt have a route to the .3.x network via 1.253, if all it
 has is a default route via the router at 1.254.

 You need to add a static route on the 10.0.1.200 machine that says

 destination 10.0.3.0, mask 255.255.255.0, gateway 10.0.1.253

 BINGO! Adding routes from each server to the proxy server worked!

 One of these days it will make sense, .. in the meantime, THANKS!!

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Re: [cwelug] Sayonara, netbooks: Asus (and the rest) won't make any more in 2013 | Technology | guardian.co.uk

[Don Ellis]

If we could get a Newton workalike package for a tablet, it would be a
great replacement for netbooks. Some Newton ads even looked like
netbooks. The killer feature of the Newton was that I could write on
it (handwriting = text) effortlessly, much faster than I could use a
keyboard with one hand, and the storage/search features were awesome.
Making it bigger and adding a keyboard made it as bulky and awkward as
a netbook (but the keyboard could be left behind). Biggest mistake
(other than not knowing how to market it) was to add features that
made it into a PC.

If Newton functionality was an add-on, someone who doesn't know what
it is wouldn't have to pay for those features, and the hardware cost
has already been amortized over all the other buyers. Just adding a
keyboard to a tablet adds most of the netbook functionality. Apps are
available to access a remote (sometimes virtual) PC across the
network, giving much faster CPU and connectivity than a netbook alone
would have.

--Don Ellis


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 On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Scott Granneman sc...@granneman.com wrote:
 Sayonara, netbooks: Asus (and the rest) won't make any more in 2013 |
 Technology | guardian.co.uk

 Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/dec/31/netbooks-dead-2013

 Netbooks are dead. What killed them? I'd say a combination of their general
 crappiness  the iPad.

 My ASUS netbook fills my niche: small (10.1), light,
 fully-functional, plenty of storage (160+ GB), long battery life (6+
 hrs), wifi, cost-effective (~$200).  Plus it has replaceable parts:
 battery, disk, RAM, keyboard, wifi.  That combination of features
 makes it ideal for frequent travel.

 Given that Netbooks won't be around for much longer, what alternatives
 are there for the 11 laptop-like device?  Tablet + keyboard?

 Regards,
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Re: [cwelug] Timeline of the far future - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Don Ellis]

Of course, there should be a countdown page somewhere showing how many
years left, and we should have this on the SLUUG calendar for Dec 4 @
15:30:08 UTC...


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 Timeline of the far future - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future

 There is much here that is fascinating, but I especially thought y'all would
 enjoy this:

 292,277,024,583 years from now: At 15:30:08 UTC on 4 December
 292,277,026,596 AD, the Unix time stamp will exceed the largest value that
 can be held in a signed 64-bit integer.

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Re: [cwelug] Meeting on Sunday?

[Don Ellis]

The question came up Thursday night. Because of holiday weekend, will be
postponed til next week.


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Re: [cwelug] LPIC study course for the self-motivated

[Don Ellis]

I have ordered and received my copy of the book. Looking forward to
being there Thursday(s) for next few months!

--Don


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 Institute Certification) study course that Robert Bennett thought up.
 Basically, we're meeting at my house over the next 12 weeks to study
 for the LPIC-1 test. If you're interested, come  join us (we already
 have 4)!

 The details:

 The plan is to go through the self study book for the LPIC-1 chapter
 by chapter. Here'a a link to the book (note that you can also buy it
 on Kindle, which is what I did):

 http://www.amazon.com/LPIC-1-Linux-Professional-Institute-Certification/dp/0470404833/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_c

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Re: [cwelug] The Debian Administrator's Handbook is out.

[Don Ellis]

Of course, it would be a GOOD idea to make a contribution in return --
minimum 1Euro, but more would be appropriate!

--Don Ellis


On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Mike B. mikeb2g...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://debian-handbook.info/get/

 Scroll down.  Available as pdf, epub, Mobi, and as a book.

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Re: [cwelug] cwe meeting Sunday July 1?

[Don Ellis]

Ditto.

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Robert Levitt rblev...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Sounds good to me.

 *R. Levitt*

 On Jun 28, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Robin Woltman ro...@robinwoltman.com wrote:

 No meeting on Sunday, July 1st, as Scott and I will be out of town.

 How does the following Sunday, July 8th, sound?


 On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 10:58 AM, tkirk twk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are we meeting Sunday?

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Re: [cwelug] Which Shell Is Right for You? Shell Comparison

[Don Ellis]

I've been using the O'Reilly books Learning the Korn Shell and
Learning the Bash Shell. For years I've been trying to replace them
with another reference, without much luck. I have annotated my
dead-tree copies with the differences between them. Many paragraphs
are identical between the two.

Haven't been using them as much as I did in my first sh-scripting
years, so maybe not searching as vigorously as I might.

Most striking difference between ksh and bash is how/when the ENV
script (kshrc and bashrc) is sourced in, and what script sourcing is
automatic vs explicit. Always confusing when switching between them.

I started with csh for my command shell, but wrote my scripts with sh.
Wish Perl had been more available at the time; the scripts would have
been much easier to write (and read).

--Don Ellis


On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Ben Raber bra...@my.stlcc.edu wrote:
 I love autocd you just type the name of a directory and it will change into 
 it for you.
 
 From: cwelug@googlegroups.com [cwelug@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Robert 
 Citek [robert.ci...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 6:36 AM
 To: cwelug@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [cwelug] Which Shell Is Right for You? Shell Comparison

 Is anyone here using zsh?  Which must-have feature are you using
 that is missing from bash?

 Regards,
 - Robert

 On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Scott Granneman sc...@granneman.com wrote:
 http://www.math.iitb.ac.in/resources/manuals/Unix_Unleashed/Vol_1/ch13.htm

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Re: [cwelug] CWE-LUG Meeting Sunday in on!

[Don Ellis]

So, I'll try to remember to notice whether there's any disruption in
my browsing, and whether connecting to OpenDNS or Google DNS (or
other) makes any difference...

--Don Ellis


On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Mike B. mikeb2g...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Robin Woltman ro...@robinwoltman.com wrote:
 Thanks for reminding us early! The CWE-LUG meeting will be held this Sunday,
 April 1st, our our house in Webster Groves, from 1pm-4pm.

 CWELUG - Sunday, April 1st - 1pm-4pm

 Address:
 39 Summit Place
 Webster Groves, MO 63119

 Hope to see you Sunday!

 Robin and Scott

 Robin Woltman
 (314) 749-4850
 ro...@robinwoltman.com

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 http://pastebin.com/GFkQnf6e

 Apparently, Anonymous plans to shut down the Internets on Saturday.
 Oooh, I'm shakin' in my boots right now.

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Re: [cwelug] I thought I'd start early because I didn't get the message last time.

[Don Ellis]

Good idea!

--Don Ellis


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 Are we on for Sunday?

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Re: [cwelug] Do we meet tomorrow?

[Don Ellis]

Yes, much better to ask now than to wait until noon or so tomorrow...

--Don


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 I kinda need to know before tomorrow.

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[cwelug] Re: Google Groups: Membership Pending

[Don Ellis]

While reviewing membership requests just now, I noticed a request from
all-m...@all-mail-archive.com (check it out, the request is generic, the
site all-mail-archive.com is there, but I don't see any references to it
anywhere, and no about this site links on the site)

Has anyone else heard of this site? Looks like someone's attempt to archive
all postings on discussion groups. Don't know why it would be helpful,
unless a group's server goes away. The google-groups site IMHO would be
unlikely to go away any time soon.

Is there any reason you can think of to allow this site to archive our
postings? (I'm guessing you can come up with plenty of reasons not to)

Looks like it's a way of accumulating [sometimes or mostly] legitimate
communications, and turning it into spam. Even though there's a way to
search the site, and it's probably indexed by the search engines, I'm not
coming up with any practical applications.

--Don Ellis


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 drameshnsit drameshn...@gmail.com requested to join the Central
 West End Linux Users Group http://groups.google.com/group/cwelug group
 and is awaiting approval.

 You can approve or 
 rejecthttp://groups.google.com/group/cwelug/pending?hl=enthis request.

 If you have questions related to this or any other Google group, please
 visit the Help Center http://groups.google.com/support?hl=ensrc=email.
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 Start http://groups.google.comsrc=emailhl=en your own group or 
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Re: [cwelug] Re: Google Groups: Membership Pending

[Don Ellis]

So, those that end up in the pending list are those that didn't answer
the sign-up question?

Faire enough...

--Don Ellis


On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Robert Citek robert.ci...@gmail.com wrote:
 A legitimate request will answer the sign-up question.  Those that do
 not should be rejected.

 Regards,
 - Robert

 On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Don Ellis don.el...@gmail.com wrote:

 While reviewing membership requests just now, I noticed a request 
 from all-m...@all-mail-archive.com (check it out, the request is generic, 
 the site all-mail-archive.com is there, but I don't see any references to it 
 anywhere, and no about this site links on the site)

 Has anyone else heard of this site? Looks like someone's attempt to archive 
 all postings on discussion groups. Don't know why it would be helpful, 
 unless a group's server goes away. The google-groups site IMHO would be 
 unlikely to go away any time soon.

 Is there any reason you can think of to allow this site to archive our 
 postings? (I'm guessing you can come up with plenty of reasons not to)

 Looks like it's a way of accumulating [sometimes or mostly] legitimate 
 communications, and turning it into spam. Even though there's a way to 
 search the site, and it's probably indexed by the search engines, I'm not 
 coming up with any practical applications.

 --Don Ellis


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Re: [cwelug] Anyone else notice the review of Visual Studio in Ars today?

[Don Ellis]

Mike,

I just got this item, about a game development process that includes
discussion of languages and infrastructure...

 Sorry if I already sent this. I just found it in my itouch's drafts folder.

 http://www.st.cs.uni-saarland.de/edu/seminare/2005/advanced-fp/docs/sweeny.pdf


 -Heath
 From my iTouch4

--Don

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Don Ellis don.el...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes, Mike, I got that -- just keeping tongue in cheek... :-P

 Otherwise... It still requires Windoze!

 --Don


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 Don, The article is a review of Visual Studio 2010, a programming 
 environment.

 On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Don Ellis don.el...@gmail.com wrote:
 Looks like fun, but WinDOS only. Article didn't mention what version
 of Windoze is required, or how much it costs to buy into the OS.

 I'd rather play ZORK, versions of which are allegedly available free
 through chat bots.

 --Don


 On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Mike B. mikeb2g...@gmail.com wrote:
 Funny.

 http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/01/microsoft-pimps-it-old-school-with-a-pricey-text-adventure-game.ars?utm_source=rssutm_medium=rssutm_campaign=rss


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Re: [cwelug] Anyone else notice the review of Visual Studio in Ars today?

[Don Ellis]

Yes, Mike, I got that -- just keeping tongue in cheek... :-P

Otherwise... It still requires Windoze!

--Don


On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Mike B. mikeb2g...@gmail.com wrote:
 Don, The article is a review of Visual Studio 2010, a programming environment.

 On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Don Ellis don.el...@gmail.com wrote:
 Looks like fun, but WinDOS only. Article didn't mention what version
 of Windoze is required, or how much it costs to buy into the OS.

 I'd rather play ZORK, versions of which are allegedly available free
 through chat bots.

 --Don


 On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Mike B. mikeb2g...@gmail.com wrote:
 Funny.

 http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/01/microsoft-pimps-it-old-school-with-a-pricey-text-adventure-game.ars?utm_source=rssutm_medium=rssutm_campaign=rss


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Re: [cwelug] Anyone else notice the review of Visual Studio in Ars today?

[Don Ellis]

Looks like fun, but WinDOS only. Article didn't mention what version
of Windoze is required, or how much it costs to buy into the OS.

I'd rather play ZORK, versions of which are allegedly available free
through chat bots.

--Don


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 Funny.

 http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2012/01/microsoft-pimps-it-old-school-with-a-pricey-text-adventure-game.ars?utm_source=rssutm_medium=rssutm_campaign=rss


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Re: [cwelug] re: yesterday ubuntu

[Don Ellis]

Haven't I been seeing ads for Google TV? How many software vendors can
this market segment support?

[I didn't notice the 'fishing for money' aspect of the clip]

--Don Ellis

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Thomas Kirk twk...@mac.com wrote:
 Ubuntu tv looks interesting but it looks like they are fishing for
 money/support. Is there an actual implementation of this idea? Is it a low
 end apple tv?

 Sent from my iPhone

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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq_WaOLjdyQ

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Re: [cwelug] Re: Meeting Sunday

[Don Ellis]

When you say:

 We are going to plan to have it on Sunday (December 4th), from 1pm to
 4pm, at our house.

Does it mean the birthday party, or the meeting?

(I guess we could all show up for the birthday party on Sunday?) ;-)

--Don Ellis


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 Sorry not to get back to you sooner, Tom. We're having Finn's BD party
 this weekend and were still figuring out if we could do the meeting.

 We are going to plan to have it on Sunday (December 4th), from 1pm to
 4pm, at our house.

 39 Summit Place
 Webster Groves, MO 63119

 Robin

 Sent from my iPhone

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 Scott and Robin, Are we having a meeting Sunday? Thomas Kirk

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Re: [cwelug] waiting for background processes to finish

[Don Ellis]

On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Nathan Nutter nnut...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sep 29, 2011, at 10:42 PM, Robert Citek wrote:

 Given these two functions:

 $ foo () { for i in {1..10} ; do { sleep $i ; }  done ; wait ; }
 $ bar () { echo {1..10} | tr ' ' '\n' | while read i ; do { sleep $i ;
 }  done ; wait ; }

 Why does foo take 10 seconds and bar is instant?  Apparently, foo is
 actually waiting for the background processes to finish, whereas bar
 is not.  Why not?  And how can I get bar to act like foo, i.e. wait
 for bg processes to finish)?

 I'm even more interested in why foo only takes 10 seconds and not 55.

foo takes 10 seconds because all the processes are running in
background, starting almost the same time.

--Don Ellis

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[cwelug] Re: [DISCUSS] 80+TB filesystem

[Don Ellis]

Lee Lammert suggested trying GBT.

--Don Ellis


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 Does anyone have any recommendations for what filesystem to use on a 80+TB 
 SAN?

 ext4 has a 1 EiB limit, but that's apparently only in theory right now[1].

 xfs?  jfs? Other?

 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4#Features

 Regards,
 - Robert

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Re: [cwelug] Re: laptop hotspot?

[Don Ellis]

The key phrase is ad hoc (or, on the Mac, Internet Sharing), and
it's more the default than the first example you gave.

I haven't tried it from the command line, but on your Mac System
Preferences, it's under the Sharing pref pane.

--Don Ellis


On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Robert Citek robert.ci...@gmail.com wrote:
 The key ingredient: the wificard must support Master mode.
 Apparently, there is no way to query if the card supports a particular
 mode.  One just tries setting it and then checks if the mode changed.
 For example, in my case my wifi card is eth1:

 $ sudo iwconfig eth1 | grep -o 'Mode:[^ ]*'
 Mode:Managed

 $ sudo iwconfig eth1 mode Master
 Error for wireless request Set Mode (8B06) :
    SET failed on device eth1 ; Invalid argument.

 $ sudo iwconfig eth1 | grep -o 'Mode:[^ ]*'
 Mode:Managed

 I guess not.

 Regards,
 - Robert

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 Hello all,

 In the days before ubiquitous wifi cards, I was able to tether a
 friend's laptop without a wifi card to my laptop via a crossover
 ethernet cable.  My laptop had DHCPd running on the wired interface
 and was NAT'ed to route via the wifi interface.  This allowed my
 friend to access the Internet via my laptop.  The setup was something
 like this:

 [friend] --- [me] -))) (((- Internet

 where --- represents the Ethernet cable and -))) (((- represents
 the wifi connection.

 In fact, I was able to do this for a few friends at the same time if I
 brough along a switch/hub and had access to external power.

 I would now like to do something similar, but somewhat in reverse:

 [friend] -))) (((- [me] --- Internet

 Specifically, my friend's laptop would connect to mine via wifi, and
 my laptop would NAT/route traffic via the wired interface out to the
 Internet.

 I would imagine that I would somehow need to do the following:
 1) create an ESSID
 2) enable it to be broadcast
 3) enable DHCPd on the wifi interface
 4) enble NAT routing between the wifi and the wired interface.

 I'm getting stuck at the first two steps.  This would seem as though I
 am turning my laptop into a hotspot.  However, using that search
 term hasn't brought me any joy.  Every hit I've found refers to using
 a wifi router (e.g. the WRT54G) and then all kinds of fancy
 authentication schemes.

 Am still Googling and browsing, but any pointers to the more correct
 search terms would be helpful.

 Thanks in advance.

 Regards,
 - Robert



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Re: [cwelug] Free Books -Bruce Perens' Open Source Series

[Don Ellis]

Looks more like, if you buy the book, you can read it online for free
before the dead tree version arrives, or, several months after
publication _then_ you can download it for free. Where did you see the
verbiage about downloading at a Hot Spot?

--Don Ellis


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 If you download them at a WiFi hot spot, they are free. :)

 http://www.informit.com/imprint/series_detail.aspx?ser=335494sorttype=3dir=1page=2

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Re: [cwelug] Moderator's spam report for cwelug@googlegroups.com

[Don Ellis]

I marked this set of messages (complete set of 30 messages from Sumit
Arora) as spam, so this user will be rejected as a spammer.

--Don Ellis


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 *OSSO – Sun Identity Management*

 Position Title: Security Engineer.

 Duration in months: 6 months

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 *Data Network

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 *Data Network

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Re: [cwelug] CWE-LUG Meeting Sunday

[Don Ellis]

I plan to be there.

Scott, will you be showing off the goodies you mentioned, or have they all
been advertised on Craig's List?

--Don Ellis


On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Robin Woltman ro...@robinwoltman.comwrote:

 Please plan to attend the CWE-LUG meeting on Sunday, July 17th, from
 1pm-4pm, at WebSanity, 1610 South Big Bend Boulevard.

 See you there!

 Robin


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Re: [cwelug] Meeting Sunday?

[Don Ellis]

Ok, I guess we can delay the meeting again this month.

Be sure and get some nice photos (and video if possible).

This all seems so sudden! ;-)

--Don Ellis


On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Robin Woltman ro...@robinwoltman.com wrote:
 Hi Tom,
 Scott and I are getting married this Sunday, so I'm afraid we'll have to put
 off our meeting until the following week. :)
 Let's plan on Sunday, July 11th.
 Robin
 Robin M. Woltman
 (314) 749-4850
 ro...@robinwoltman.com

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:33 AM, tkirk twk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are we having a meeting this Sunday? Thomas Kirk

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Re: [cwelug] Meeting Sunday?

[Don Ellis]

Robin ( Scott),

I've adjusted the SLUUG calendar to reflect the new date (July 10 --
note the date).

--Don


On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Robin Woltman ro...@robinwoltman.com wrote:
 Hi Tom,
 Scott and I are getting married this Sunday, so I'm afraid we'll have to put
 off our meeting until the following week. :)
 Let's plan on Sunday, July 11th.
 Robin
 Robin M. Woltman
 (314) 749-4850
 ro...@robinwoltman.com

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:33 AM, tkirk twk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are we having a meeting this Sunday? Thomas Kirk

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Re: [cwelug] gentoo deployment

[Don Ellis]

Thanks -- I created a Gentoo VM after hearing it recommended by Steven
Lembark at Perlmongers. Gentoo allows a lot of creativity and
originality on the part of the user, and I'm not at all sure what to
select for a general purpose environment.

--Don Ellis


On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:29 PM, dacresni vivacar...@gmail.com wrote:
 if anyone has been looking at gentoo as a potential distro, This should help
 you install and deploy it.  https://github.com/koodough/Gentoo-Deployment.
 I invite you all to put the most customized configuration or the one you're
 most proud of. I have my vimrc there on github,

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Re: [cwelug] meeting sunday the 12th

[Don Ellis]

Agreed.

--Don Ellis

Sent from my iPod

On Jun 12, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Mike B. mikeb2g...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bueno.
 
 On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Scott Granneman sc...@granneman.com wrote:
 Yep! Let's say 1-4 pm.
 
 See you guys there!
 
 Scott
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jun 12, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Thomas Kirk twk...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Are we meeting today?  Thomas Kirk
 
 

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Re: [cwelug] Speaking at SLUUG: Amazing, Stupendous, Mind-Blowing Apps for iPad2

[Don Ellis]

Will you be showing off favorite SSH client?

--Don Ellis


On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Scott Granneman sc...@granneman.com wrote:
 Speaking at SLUUG: Amazing, Stupendous, Mind-Blowing Apps for iPad2

 Jans Carton  I are delivering a talk at the St. Louis UNIX Users Group at
 6:30 pm this Wednesday, 8 June 2011, titled “Amazing, Stupendous,
 Mind-Blowing Apps for iPad2″. We’ll be demoing iPad apps live for everyone.
 If you want to find out more about the iPad, or discover some awesome new
 iPad apps, then come hear Jans  I speak.

 Here’s the complete description:

 It’s becoming crystal clear that tablets and other mobile devices are
 leading the computing revolution into the next decade, and at the forefront
 (at least for now) is Apple’s iPad. Scott Granneman  Jans Carton will
 demonstrate iPad apps that they find particularly useful, cool, or amazing –
 sometimes all three at the same time! You’ll see apps for everything from
 video to games to reading to productivity, and much, much more. We guarantee
 you’ll see something that makes you think, and something else that makes you
 go “Wow!”.

 The meeting will be held at Graybar Electric Co., Inc. at 11885 Lackland
 Road, 63146. Directions are at
 http://sluug.org/resources/meeting_info/map_graybar.shtml,  a Google Map
 can be found at http://goo.gl/maps/jnpX.

 Sent with Mr. Reader

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Re: [cwelug] No meeting Sunday

[Don Ellis]

Ok with me.

--Don Ellis


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 My mom is in town. Much as I like all you guys, my mom takes precedence!
 How's the next Sunday look for everyone?
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Re: [cwelug] Can anyone say new form of DRM?

[Don Ellis]

In 1974, when I was working at the Rice Media Center (Film School), I
had to develop a method to override this feature. We replaced the
standard image sensor in a Sony video camera with a silicon image
sensor, which was much more sensitive to IR. To prevent excessive
brightness in strange parts of the image when there was reasonable
illumination (it was exceptional in low light conditions), I installed
a filter to remove the IR. Not very expensive, and pretty easy to
find. For low light shooting, we could remove the filter.

The same solution might remove the IR signal proposed in the article.

--Don Ellis


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 http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2011/06/apple-working-on-a-sophisticated-infrared-system-for-ios-cameras.html

 Oh, boy.  This will keep America safe/

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Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu power menu

[Don Ellis]

I also found an answer on superuser.com that shouldn't be too helpful:

 You need to add the Indicator Applet Session applet. It's in the Add to 
 Panel list.

 The Shutdown applet gives you a popup dialog with Shut Down, Restart, 
 Suspend and Hibernate options.

 The Indicator Applet Session applet gives you the drop-down menu with Log 
 Out, Suspend, Hibernate, Restart and Shut Down options, as well as Lock 
 Screen, Guest Session, Switch from... and other fast-user-switching options.

This just lets you take the whole button away, so you also lose Lock
screen Switch user Log out, which would be nice to keep.

--Don Ellis


On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Don Ellis don.el...@gmail.com wrote:
 I tried looking around and found some promising links, which did not
 deliver on their promises.

 Then, a right-click on the power menu brought up a list including
 About; the dialog included a link to the Indicator Applet website:

    https://launchpad.net/indicator-applet

 which included Browse the code

 This might be helpful, or at least get you to someone you can ask (the
 authors are listed on the web page).

 --Don Ellis


 On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Robert Citek robert.ci...@gmail.com wrote:
 In Ubuntu 10.04, there is a menu which drops down when you click on
 the power icon and it has several options:

 lock screen
 switch user
 logout
 suspend
 hibernate
 restart
 shut down

 My machine is used as both a desktop and a server.  So, I would like
 to modify that menu by getting rid of suspend, hibernate, restart, and
 shut down.  A quick google didn't show anything promising.  So I
 thought I'd ask here before doing a more in-depth search.

 Regards,
 - Robert


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Re: [cwelug] Ubuntu power menu

[Don Ellis]

Theresa, it looks like that link relates to messaging; I'm not finding
anything there about editing the menus.

Robert, look anyway, I may be missing something.

--Don Ellis

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Theresa Kehoe t...@cablemo.net wrote:
 Hey Robert,

 I found this link, might prove useful:

 http://superuser.com/questions/73200/remove-or-add-entry-in-indicator-applet-ubuntu-gnome

 Let us know if you figure it out!

 Theresa




 On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 07:57 -0400, Robert Citek wrote:
 In Ubuntu 10.04, there is a menu which drops down when you click on
 the power icon and it has several options:

 lock screen
 switch user
 logout
 suspend
 hibernate
 restart
 shut down

 My machine is used as both a desktop and a server.  So, I would like
 to modify that menu by getting rid of suspend, hibernate, restart, and
 shut down.  A quick google didn't show anything promising.  So I
 thought I'd ask here before doing a more in-depth search.

 Regards,
 - Robert

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Re: [cwelug] Greg Laden's need for a specific Linux setup...

[Don Ellis]

I noticed that the second article was published last August, but
responded to by Greg Laden yesterday, while his article was published
yesterday.

Looks pretty interesting (the second article), and worth trying out,
to build knowledge on building a minimal installation.

--Don Ellis


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 http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/05/i_shall_build_it_and_i_shall_c.php

 http://maketecheasier.com/easily-create-a-custom-lightweight-desktop-environment/2010/08/10/

 TL;DR

 Mr. Laden wants a setup where he has emacs and a browser boot up on
 start up.  He finds that Ubuntu is a little too much on his small
 laptop (I take this to mean a netbook).
 He wants no other software on bootup except a wireless connect.

 His request is interesting, but so is the second article and the
 subsequent back and forth in the comments.

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Re: [cwelug] meeting Sunday?

[Don Ellis]

Ok with me. Scott?

--Don


On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Thomas Kirk twk...@gmail.com wrote:
 Are we going to be meeting on Sunday? Thomas Kirk

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Re: [cwelug] meeting Sunday?

[Don Ellis]

Excellent, since I just learned about change of plans, so I won't be
there 5/1 either!

--Don


On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Scott Granneman sc...@granneman.com wrote:
 Nope, we are NOT meeting, as Robin  I are in New Orleans! It'll be
 next Sunday instead.

 Scott

 Sent from my iPad

 On Apr 30, 2011, at 4:04 AM, Don Ellis don.el...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ok with me. Scott?

 --Don


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 Are we going to be meeting on Sunday? Thomas Kirk

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Re: [cwelug] Are we on for this Sunday?

[Don Ellis]

Sounds good to me. I might even be somewhere close to on time... ;-)

--Don


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 let's say noon to 3, ok?

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 Are we on this Sunday?  Thought I'd ask before April Fool's  Day.

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Re: [cwelug] cwelug meeting?

[Don Ellis]

The web page brags about ruggedness. Is it moisture resistant? Getting
wet is one of the big problems with cell phones. I noticed a [cheap]
Kodak video camera at Target that is immersible to 3 meters. One of
very few.
(One of mine was shortened considerably, though after the warranty had
run out. Not wet enough to disqualify, just enough to stop working)

--Don


On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Robert  Janet Bennett
jlrbenn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Please pardon my missing the last couple of meetings, but I actually did
 get a Peek for
 my wife for Christmas and as such am ashamed to show my face.

 http://www.getpeek.com

 The only two issues I have with it are:

 1.  Their Customer Service is not good, however
     a.  I knew that going in.
     b.  Although their customer service is worse than ATT, I would
 disagree
          with anyone who brags about ATT's customer service as I have
 personally
          experienced it.

 2.  MS Exchange support.  They do support MS Exchange 2003 and 2007 but
 not so much
     2009 and my wife's work uses 2009 MS Exchange / Web Outlook.  If we
 could get the device
     to work with her work e-mail I would be satisfied with it.


 Basically the device works like it should where the customers gets
 unlimited e-mail, unlimited SMS texting,
 unlimited Facebook, and unlimited Twitter.  There is also a Weather and
 Map app (weather works - map not
 so much as it is based on the T-Mobile cell tower -- no GPS.)

 The customer has to prepay for one year's worth of service (at a rate of
 $15.00 per month.)  I know that Android smart phones
 are better but I will not pay the $80.00 - $120.00 per month smart phone
 bills that people pay for such a devices (this is a big
 time deal breaker -- don't need all the extra features and will not pay
 this much.)  Currently my wife pays $35.00 per month for
 a regular ATT cell phone (and this is actual monthly cost after all
 taxes and fees) and an effective $15.00 for the Peek.

 Hope to see you all again soon.

 Robert

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Re: [cwelug] cwelug meeting?

[Don Ellis]

Thanks, Bob...

When I looked at Target a couple of weeks ago, it was down to $150.
Need to compare what other things were included, such as how much
memory is built in, how big a memory card is included, and if it has
any other extras bundled. Regardless, I will have to check what
features yours is showing today (at the place you bought it).

I am very tempted by the idea of not having to worry about immersion,
but also tempted by better optics, longer record time, good optical
zoom range, or easier operation potentially offered by other brands,
such as Sony and Canon.

Why can't I have all those extras in one camera, at the perfect price?

I still haven't told my wife I want a video camera for my son's
wedding coming up in May. Keep it quiet!

--Don


On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Bob Therina bther...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you're thinking of getting one of those Kodak Playsport cameras, I
 got one last summer and took it to the beach. I have some videos here if
 you want to see how well it does.
 http://www.youtube.com/user/LobFest

 The first 6 in the list (meaning the last 6 uploaded) were taken with
 this camera using a class 4 memory card. They were taken at 720p at
 30fps. Only one of them posted was taken underwater, but I took some
 others that I didn't post and it did fine. With the salt water I rinsed
 it off when I was done to keep the salt from corroding anything. You can
 see that the video is a little jittery, but nice and sharp with good
 color saturation. I think I paid $129 for it. I'm sure you can find a
 better price than what Target is offering.

 Bob



 On 03/06/2011 08:51 PM, Don Ellis wrote:
 The web page brags about ruggedness. Is it moisture resistant? Getting
 wet is one of the big problems with cell phones. I noticed a [cheap]
 Kodak video camera at Target that is immersible to 3 meters. One of
 very few.
 (One of mine was shortened considerably, though after the warranty had
 run out. Not wet enough to disqualify, just enough to stop working)

 --Don


 On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Robert  Janet Bennett
 jlrbenn...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Please pardon my missing the last couple of meetings, but I actually did
 get a Peek for
 my wife for Christmas and as such am ashamed to show my face.

 http://www.getpeek.com

 The only two issues I have with it are:

 1.  Their Customer Service is not good, however
     a.  I knew that going in.
     b.  Although their customer service is worse than ATT, I would
 disagree
          with anyone who brags about ATT's customer service as I have
 personally
          experienced it.

 2.  MS Exchange support.  They do support MS Exchange 2003 and 2007 but
 not so much
     2009 and my wife's work uses 2009 MS Exchange / Web Outlook.  If we
 could get the device
     to work with her work e-mail I would be satisfied with it.


 Basically the device works like it should where the customers gets
 unlimited e-mail, unlimited SMS texting,
 unlimited Facebook, and unlimited Twitter.  There is also a Weather and
 Map app (weather works - map not
 so much as it is based on the T-Mobile cell tower -- no GPS.)

 The customer has to prepay for one year's worth of service (at a rate of
 $15.00 per month.)  I know that Android smart phones
 are better but I will not pay the $80.00 - $120.00 per month smart phone
 bills that people pay for such a devices (this is a big
 time deal breaker -- don't need all the extra features and will not pay
 this much.)  Currently my wife pays $35.00 per month for
 a regular ATT cell phone (and this is actual monthly cost after all
 taxes and fees) and an effective $15.00 for the Peek.

 Hope to see you all again soon.

 Robert


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Re: [cwelug] Re: external hard drive mounting problem

[Don Ellis]

So, what was the ultimate problem? I'd like to hear confirmation of
what we nailed, and if there were other issues as well.

--Don Ellis


On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Jack eason.j...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for your help guys.  I got it working.  BTW, I'm using Ubuntu
 10.04.2 LTS.

 On Feb 18, 6:28 pm, Robert Citek robert.ci...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:35 AM, Jack eason.j...@gmail.com wrote:
  [mntent]: line 1 in /etc/fstab is bad
 ...
  Do I need to edit /etc/fstab?  If so, what do I need to add or
  delete?

 As Don mentioned you need to comment out that first line by putting a # in 
 front

  mount: can't find /dev/sdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab

  The results of fdsk -l:

  Disk /dev/sdc: 3933 MB, 3933732864 bytes
  122 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1015 cylinders
  Units = cylinders of 7564 * 512 = 3872768 bytes
  Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
  I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
  Disk identifier: 0x

  Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System

 This is most likely where you are experiencing issues.  You have no
 partitions on your drive.  Technically, you don't need a partition,
 but it is rather unusual not to have one.

  Is there any other way to get the external hard drive to
  mount without using fstab?
  Any help will be appreciated.

 Yes.  What operating system are you using?  If linux, which distro and
 version?   For example, are you using Red Hat 5.1 or Ubuntu 11.04
 alpha?  If a desktop version, which desktop environment are you
 running, e.g. KDE, Gnome, xfce?

 With recent desktop distributions, one should just be able to plug in
 an external drive and an icon appears on the desktop.

 Regards,
 - Robert

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