Re: Request to mailing list cryptography rejected

[g2s]

 Original message From: g2s <g...@riseup.net> Date: 3/23/18  
5:07 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: grarpamp <grarp...@gmail.com>, 
cryptography-ow...@metzdowd.com Subject: Re: Request to mailing list 
cryptography rejected 
Good on 'em. It would be nice if your digital money scam disappeared from the 
history of computing entirely.
Rr
When I replied originally it went to the originator and the cryptography list 
but not cypherpunks. Good goin' ace.
Rr

Re: Plebbit Jewtube Embark On Talmudic Censorship, CJOUD Act Warrantless Wiretap

[g2s]

 Original message From: Marina Brown <catskillmar...@gmail.com> 
Date: 3/22/18  10:52 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: g2s <g...@riseup.net>, 
cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Plebbit Jewtube Embark On Talmudic 
Censorship, CJOUD Act
  Warrantless Wiretap 
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On 03/22/2018 12:06 PM, g2s wrote:
> 
>  Original message  From: Marina Brown
> <catskillmar...@gmail.com> Date: 3/22/18 7:10 AM (GMT-08:00) To:
> cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Plebbit Jewtube Embark On
> Talmudic Censorship, CJOUD Act Warrantless Wiretap
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256
> 
> On 03/22/2018 09:49 AM, g2s wrote:
>> I see from the modded sj line you've gone full Nazi antisemite. 
>> Whodathunkit.
>> 
>> Rr
> 
> The nazi meme is so old and tired.
> 
> 
> But Nazis still exist and with them, memes.
> 
> Further, considering the Nazi MSM is saying because the American
> Nazi's hitherto unknown facemen, Milo and Spencer got bored with it
> and went on to sell products on InfoWars (milo) and claim they were
> simply 'tired of it' (spencer), your Nazi MSM would market the
> concept that Antifa, whatever that means, actually eliminated the
> historically longstanding Nazi tendency. Not JUST Fascist, Nazi,
> tendency in US society.
> 

Spencer appears to be self destructing, Milo well he had the seeds of
his own destruction within and they have detonated.

This does not mean the nazi threat is over. We need to watch watch watch
and play whack-a-mole wherever the illinois nazis shot their heads.


> Rr

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I HATE Illinois Nazis.https://youtu.be/ulCw7RJ5eE8
Rr

Rr

Re: Plebbit Jewtube Embark On Talmudic Censorship, CJOUD Act Warrantless Wiretap

[g2s]

 Original message From: Marina Brown <catskillmar...@gmail.com> 
Date: 3/22/18  7:10 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: 
Re: Plebbit Jewtube Embark On Talmudic Censorship, CJOUD Act
  Warrantless Wiretap 
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Hash: SHA256

On 03/22/2018 09:49 AM, g2s wrote:
> I see from the modded sj line you've gone full Nazi antisemite. 
> Whodathunkit.
> 
> Rr

The nazi meme is so old and tired.


But Nazis still exist and with them, memes.
 Further, considering the Nazi MSM is saying because the American Nazi's 
hitherto unknown facemen, Milo and Spencer got bored with it and went on to 
sell products on InfoWars (milo) and claim they were simply 'tired of it' 
(spencer), your Nazi MSM would market the concept that Antifa, whatever that 
means, actually eliminated the historically longstanding Nazi tendency. Not 
JUST Fascist, Nazi, tendency in US society.
Rr

Re: Plebbit Jewtube Embark On Talmudic Censorship, CJOUD Act Warrantless Wiretap

[g2s]

I see from the modded sj line you've gone full Nazi antisemite. Whodathunkit.
Rr
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Re: NSA Created Bitcoin

[g2s]

 Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date: 3/21/18 
 1:46 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: NSA Created 
Bitcoin 
On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 07:44:40 -0700
g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:


> > Hahaha NO! it was most likely same greedy scumbags responsible for
> > such market destroyers as Flash Trading. 

 >  so now you defend 'markets'?

I didnt say anything of the sort.
Rr

Re: From sand to silicon chips, openly

[g2s]

 Original message From: Steven Schear  
Date: 3/21/18  9:13 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks 
 Subject: From sand to silicon chips, openly 
http://parallel.princeton.edu/openpiton/open_source_processors.php
Say buhbye... Peak Sand
https://www.google.com/search?q=peak+sand
Your grandchildren will be using an abacus.
Rr

Re: NSA Created Bitcoin

[g2s]

 Original message From: grarpamp  Date: 
3/20/18  9:50 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpu...@cpunks.org Subject: NSA Created 
Bitcoin 
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nsa+created+bitcoin
Hahaha NO! it was most likely same greedy scumbags responsible for such market 
destroyers as Flash Trading. The gubmint never ever ever has top tier anything. 
Including engineers, developers, idea people. They didn't "create the internet" 
either. Universities and corporations did that. On the government's dime.
Rr

Re: DRAFT version of Federal "Justice" Shutdown Project

[g2s]

LA Times 
Trump's invader hordes don't exist: Most of the world doesn't want to come to 
America
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-rajendra-immigration-20180309-story.html
The wall is to keep you in. 
Rr
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Re: DRAFT version of Federal "Justice" Shutdown Project

[g2s]

 Original message From: "Shawn K. Quinn"  
Date: 3/19/18  10:51 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: 
Re: DRAFT version of Federal "Justice" Shutdown Project 
On 03/20/2018 12:23 AM, jim bell wrote:
> 'victimless crimes', such as ... illegal re-entry to America

I agree with the other examples you cited, but I would not call illegal
(re-)immigration a victimless crime in all circumstances. I agree our
immigration laws are broken as currently written and enforced; however,
dealing with illegal aliens takes resources away from the rest of us,
especially given that they often do not pay the appropriate amount of
taxes back into the system compared to someone here legally.
-- 
Shawn K. Quinn 
http://www.rantroulette.com
http://www.skqrecordquest.com

I'm not going to bother producing the reams of documentation that proves thst 
last contention wrong. I WILL say that when I drove taxi in a California ag 
town they spent A LOT of money on cabs, that got taxed, and spent in US 
society. The companies they work for pay taxes on their product output etc... 
If you're waiting for WHITE PEOPLE to pick your crops for you there will either 
have to be impressed labor. Involuntary labor by people who will shit on your 
crops for you, because there wont be any toilets in your non-union libertarian 
crop fields, or you simply starve, become a scavenger, and get your head blown 
off by a farmer or store owner protecting his fields or stock from all the 
desperate paper shufflers and app developers stealing food.
Further, there IS NO "flood of illegal immigrants' into the US. They've been 
leaving in droves for years thanks. They figured out this country is a 
shithole, and left. Enjoy your new alnusra neighbor the pentagon 'rescued'. The 
Iraqi who interpreted the tortured screams of his fellow citizens for the CIA. 
THAT'S the kind of immigrants Merica wants! FuckYeah!
Rr

Re: Adam Kokesh vs Larken Rose: Using Political Process To End Politics?

[g2s]

Anarchast. All White People.
Tells ya sumpthin about libertarians who pose as anarchists.
CrimethInc - What Anarchism Isn't: Libertarianism and Anarcho-Capitalism
https://crimethinc.com/podcast/18/transcript
Rr, a proud member of the EX-Workers collective

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Re: Bum who snitched off Chelsea Manning dead at 37.

[g2s]

 Original message From: grarpamp  Date: 
3/17/18  3:45 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Bum 
who snitched off Chelsea Manning dead at 37. 
Scumbags might expect to be counting their own
stitches sooner than later one way or another,
even if only from the stress.

XY helped show the murder of innocents and children...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kelmEZe8whI
http://www.incidentinnewbaghdad.com/

"What happened then was not an isolated incident.
Stuff like that happens on a daily basis... kill
every motherfucker on the street"

Other innocents were tortured to death...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpDc1hscfeQ


Speak freely, End war, Make love.



Regarding subject...
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/84x87d/hacker_adrian_lamo_who_turned_wikileaks_chelsea/


It's interesting to note Adrian Lamo died on the 50th anniversary of the My Lai 
massacre.
About the whistleblower in that incident, a recon helo pilot named Hugh 
Thompson Jr. He didn't just blow the whistle, he crammed it down their throats. 
Ten years ago today I posted this about his actions at My Lai that caused news 
that may have been the turning point for mainstream American's view of the 
Vietnam War.
Thompson turned to Colburn and Andreotta (...his door gunners, manning M60 
machine guns. ) and told them that if the Americans began shooting at the 
villagers or him, they should fire their M60 machine guns at the Americans:[4]

Y'all cover me! If these bastards open up on me or these people, you open up on 
them. Promise me!"
More, with links:
http://razedbywolves.blogspot.com/2009/11/40-years-ago-today-cleveland-plain.html
 

Bum who snitched off Chelsea Manning dead at 37.

[g2s]

Adrian Lamo, the scumbag who set @xychelsea up, is dead, at 37 years old. Cause 
of death unstated. Also note he wasn't homeless as has been said. That's an 
insult to street people everywhere. He lived with mommy and daddy... at 37 ...
 Rr

Re: Attn: Image Posting...

[g2s]

 Original message From: Steve Kinney  
Date: 3/15/18  2:20 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: 
Re: Attn: Image Posting... 
On 03/15/2018 01:04 PM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

> Put the image on some free service and give link to it unless you
> desperately want punky mirror of the image.

Wanna make /everybody/ happy?  Impossible, but this comes close:

Mirror the image on archive.org.

1)  Put your image - any size - on any web server.

2)  Go to archive.org, and enter its URL in the Wayback Machine.

3)  Click the link provided to /add/ your image to the Archive.

4)  Copy the resulting URL and viola, durable offsite hosting.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180315211057/http://pilobilus.net/Fat.Freddy.Sez.jpg

To prevent the resulting longish URL from 'breaking' when wrapped,
clearsigned, quoted, etc. (and annoy one or two list subscribers)
shorten the URL:

https://tinyurl.com/y8vscppm

Include a hash for your image in your clearsigned post and viola,
authentication / non-repudiation and two defensible 3rd party time
stamps (list server, archive.org) in one compact package.  Example:

SHA256:
6456d5de64fb828d215cdcc6976d0d85fb95501fcc2188519461ce98d5cc

:o)


Simply? Too much work given the general level of discourse here. If this was 
a... snigger... respectable list Not something more akin to 4chan, I'd  do 
that if it seemed the list norm. This list isn't norm. Norm's not here. 藍
Rr, waiting for someone to complain about the emoticon...

Re: Attn: Image Posting...

[g2s]

 Original message From: Georgi Guninski <gunin...@guninski.com> 
Date: 3/15/18  10:39 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: g2s <g...@riseup.net> Cc: 
cypherpu...@cpunks.org Subject: Re: Attn: Image Posting... 
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 10:12:56AM -0700, g2s wrote:
> Most of that 190mb is Zenazi's garbage, libertard diatribes and bitcoin shit 
> links.

No, it is not, what about a bet? 190MB are only 190 images of size 1MB
and some images are larger.

Aw cmon! I've  been hanging around this list for what? A couple of years or so, 
and in that time there MIGHT HAVE BEEN 20 or 30 posted by people who actually 
has some context in the post relating to the pics. Mine did. The trolls who add 
unrelated shit to their just as meaningless screeds ARE NOT MY PROBLEM. They're 
a list admin problem. And apparently yours. Are you keeping tabs for 5/6-eyes, 
or what?
Go ahead. Take your 190mb zip. Open it. Extract Zenazi's totally meaningless 
emails, and check how much of the space in your zip is his. Do it with Tanaka's 
love letters. Do it with Juan's hatemails... then extract the ones with 
attachments and do the same.
Don't bother getting back to me about it whiner, or I'll attach the perfunctory 
butthurt assessment form
Rr

Re: Attn: Image Posting...

[g2s]

 Original message From: Georgi Guninski <gunin...@guninski.com> 
Date: 3/15/18  10:04 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: g2s <g...@riseup.net> Cc: grarpamp 
<grarp...@gmail.com>, cypherpu...@cpunks.org Subject: Re: Attn: Image 
Posting... 
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 09:31:17AM -0700, g2s wrote:
> The last full size image I posted was a whopping TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY SIX 
> KILOBYTES
> RrPs. 

Fuck it, this is about 246 plaintext emails. Image shit poisons backup of
mail.

Currently the mbox of the new list is about 190M for me.

Put the image on some free service and give link to it unless you
desperately want punky mirror of the image.

Most of that 190mb is Zenazi's garbage, libertard diatribes and bitcoin shit 
links.
Oh, and get a real computer with a real disk drive. 190mb is nothing, even for 
my 10 year old machine with a stock drive.
Rr

Re: Attn: Image Posting...

[g2s]

The last full size image I posted was a whopping TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY SIX 
KILOBYTES
RrPs. 
 Original message From: grarpamp  Date: 
3/14/18  4:01 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpu...@cpunks.org Subject: Attn: Image 
Posting Retards 
https://www.gimp.org/
httpa://www.graphicsmagick.org/

Image size reduce... use it.

[Trigger Warning: Nazi Trollbait] The Traditionalist Workers Who Lay Together...

[g2s]

"Traditionalist Workers Party"Inbreeding is a fine #Fascist tradition.
"Per police report: Neo-Nazi Heimbach was married to his spox's step-daughter & 
attacked them both after they confronted him about an affair he was carrying 
out w/his spox's wife. All four listed their jobs as "white nationalists"
Thread and "genealogical" chart. 
https://twitter.com/Bmore_history/status/974287553573675008

Meanwhile, in North Korea... #schoolwalkout to practice a whole nother kind of 
Gun Control:
"Children across Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea stage school walkout to 
study marksmanship, ballistics, and similar arts, for coming war against 
children of United States."
https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/973949239314264066?s=19

FiveEyes Grows Another Eye

[g2s]

SixEyes: "France joins US led “Five Eyes” spy organization" 
https://t.co/ZJR8DjYMF0 via @YouTube

Re: The 600+ non-PayPal entities PayPal shares data with

[g2s]

 Original message From: grarpamp <grarp...@gmail.com> Date: 
3/5/18  12:56 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Cypherpunks <cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org> 
Subject: Re: The 600+ non-PayPal entities PayPal shares data with 
On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 12:34 PM, g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
> https://www.paypal.com/uk/webapps/mpp/ua/third-parties-list

Privacy coins have provided a general solution to that problem.

Paypal will be effectively dead within five years,
dumped by ebay and obsoleted by crypto.
Good fucking riddance.

The only advantage to paypal, that they eliminated a long while back, was the 
ability to mail cash to them to put on one's  account, cirumventing credit card 
tracking.
Rr

The 600+ non-PayPal entities PayPal shares data with

[g2s]

https://www.paypal.com/uk/webapps/mpp/ua/third-parties-list

Re: [WAR] rocket porn, Putin style, and the end of the modern empire regime

[g2s]

 Original message From: John Young  Date: 
3/3/18  2:39 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Cypherpunks  
Subject: Re: [WAR] rocket porn, Putin style, and the end of the modern
  empire regime 
Louder the brag weaker the braggart.

At 07:17 PM 3/2/2018, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>Given the FUKUS (France, UK, US) / NATO axis general's' general
>assessment of Russia's growing military capabilities and capacity as
>"eye watering" back in 2015 and earlier
>   http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/21/russia-winning-the-electronic-war/
> 
>https://thediplomat.com/2016/04/russias-surging-electronic-warfare-capabilities/
>, one wonders what their viewpoint is after yesterday.
>
>It is certainly a happy day today as we witness a nation not only
>capable of, but willing and effectively undertaking to stand firm
>against the evil, despotism and shameless murdering regime of the
>USA.
>
>How sad it is that these words can actually be spoken - truthfully,
>in fact, and without sarcasm, but such it is.
>
>Good luck all,
>
>
>
>
>
>https://russia-insider.com/en/putins-remarkable-historic-march-1-speech-moscow-video-excerpts-full-transcript/ri22667
>Putin's Remarkable, Historic March 1 Speech in Moscow -
>Video Excerpts, Full Transcript
>
>
>
>Epic Putin: We Warned You, You Wouldn't Listen - 'Listen to Us Now!'
>https://russia-insider.com/en/epic-putin-we-warned-you-you-wouldnt-listen-listen-us-now-video/ri22676?ct=t(Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2014)_cid=8e0495ef10_eid=5110f4b440
>
>We've excerpted the parts of the speech where he describes each
>weapon, and will be posting them here. The other weapons are:
>
> Putin Stunner #1: Invincible Nuke-Powered and Armed Underwater
>Drones MANY TIMES Faster Than Any Ship (Video)
>https://russia-insider.com/en/putin-stunner-1-invincible-nuke-powered-and-armed-underwater-drones-many-times-faster-any-ship
>
> Putin Stunner #2: 'The Avangard' - Invincible Nuke-Tipped Cruise
>Missile at 20X! Speed of Sound (Video)
>https://russia-insider.com/en/putin-stunner-2-avangard-invincible-nuke-tipped-cruise-missile-20x-speed-sound-video/ri22672
>
> Putin Stunner #3: 'The Dagger' - Invincible Plane-Launched Nuke
>Missile at 10X Speed of Sound (Video)
>https://russia-insider.com/en/putin-stunner-3-dagger-invincible-plane-launched-nuke-missile-10x-speed-sound-video/ri22673
>
> Putin Stunner #4: Mini, Nuke-Powered Engine for Invincible,
>UNLIMITED RANGE Guided Nuke Missiles (Video)
>https://russia-insider.com/en/putin-stunner-4-mini-nuke-powered-engine-invincible-unlimited-range-guided-nuke-missiles-video
>
> Putin Stunner #5: 'Sarmat' - Next Gen, Invincible, Unlimited
>Range Nuke Missile (Video)
>https://russia-insider.com/en/putin-stunner-5-sarmat-next-gen-invincible-unlimited-range-nuke-missile-video/ri22675
>
>And Putin's explanation of why Russia developed all these weapons:
>
> Epic Putin: We Warned You, You Wouldn't Listen - 'Listen to Us
>Now!' (Video)
>https://russia-insider.com/en/epic-putin-we-warned-you-you-wouldnt-listen-listen-us-now-video/ri22676
>
>Transcript below:


Vox: "A mysterious radiation cloud spread over Europe in September. Russia 
finally acknowledged it.
But officials won’t say where it came from."
https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/energy-and-environment/2017/11/22/16691374/russia-admits-mysterious-radiation-cloud/
 Perhaps a test fire of nuclear-powered missile they recently declassified in 
Putin's speech.
Rr

Why mine btc when you can steal the servers?

[g2s]

Some 600 computers used to "mine" bitcoin and other virtual currencies have 
been stolen from data centers in Iceland in what police say is the biggest 
series of thefts ever in the North Atlantic island nation. 
https://t.co/k6zra4Agsr - @NBCNewsWorld

Tor - US Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG) FOIA

[g2s]

From Assange's twitter feed
https://www.documentcloud.org/public/search/projectid:37206-The-Tor-Files-Transparency-for-the-Dark-Web

Re: CNN, for that offer you just can't refuse :D

[g2s]

What he's inherently saying, stupid, is the conspiracy nutjobs play people into 
the hands of the non-conspiracy camp. So if you believe all that nonsense 
you're a govt dupe. He understands social engineering, and you can't even 
figure out where your penis is. ROTF!
 Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date: 2/25/18 
 12:32 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cp <cypherpu...@cpunks.org> Subject: Re: CNN, for 
that offer you just can't refuse :D 
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 12:25:34 -0800
g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:

> He's gotcha by ur cojones.
> "Florida shooting survivor thanks conspiracy theorists: They've been
> "great advertisers"

sorry not even bothering to click on that - the absurd title is
enough.

but here's a very funny fact for you rayzer. Do you remember
who else robotically defended the US military vomit about
9/11 on the list? Why, it was no other than arch-fascist
'libertarian' james donald. 

do you get it? the only two govt agents who robotically
parroted US nazi propganda were you and donald. Congrats!






 https://t.co/tAWQO38513 https://t.co/ypBAtAsubm
>  Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com>
> Date: 2/25/18  11:54 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: g2s <g...@riseup.net>
> Subject: Re: CNN, for that offer you just can't refuse :D On Sun, 25
> Feb 2018 11:47:28 -0800 g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> > He's ABSOLUTELY smarter than you Juan. He sees the diversion ... the
> > ones you believe in like gods gospel truth.er Rr
> 
> 
>   but aren't you the 'truther' who gallantly fight to defend the
>   Absolute Truth of Your Governemnt's Military Propaganda? 
> 
>   
> 
> 

Re: CNN, for that offer you just can't refuse :D

[g2s]

He's gotcha by ur cojones.
"Florida shooting survivor thanks conspiracy theorists: They've been "great 
advertisers" 
https://t.co/tAWQO38513 https://t.co/ypBAtAsubm
 Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date: 2/25/18 
 11:54 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: g2s <g...@riseup.net> Subject: Re: CNN, for that 
offer you just can't refuse :D 
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 11:47:28 -0800
g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:

> He's ABSOLUTELY smarter than you Juan. He sees the diversion ... the
> ones you believe in like gods gospel truth.er Rr


but aren't you the 'truther' who gallantly fight to defend the
Absolute Truth of Your Governemnt's Military Propaganda? 

Re: CNN, for that offer you just can't refuse :D

[g2s]

He's ABSOLUTELY smarter than you Juan. He sees the diversion ... the ones you 
believe in like gods gospel truth.er
Rr


 Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date: 2/25/18 
 11:20 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: CNN, for 
that offer you just can't refuse :D 
On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 07:07:00 -0800
g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:

> Ill bet if you gave this guy an AR and told him he was a "crisis
> actor" he'd blow your fucking head off,

lawl -  US military propagada agent  razer gets  mad  every
time the US military, 9/11 false flag gets mentioned. 






 then you could be one too.
> He's also smarter than you. He doesn't let the media divert attention
> to stupid shit.
> https://twitter.com/AuntieImperial/status/967618882755182592 
> Original message From: grarpamp <grarp...@gmail.com> Date:
> 2/24/18  11:19 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: CNN, for that offer you just can't refuse :D 
> > It is entirely obvious that someone in authority knew or strongly
> > suspected that this school shooting was coming, and responded,
> > not by...
> > but by...
> 
> 9/11, the model is well honed and remains highly effective.

Re: CNN, for that offer you just can't refuse :D

[g2s]

Ill bet if you gave this guy an AR and told him he was a "crisis actor" he'd 
blow your fucking head off, then you could be one too.
He's also smarter than you. He doesn't let the media divert attention to stupid 
shit.
https://twitter.com/AuntieImperial/status/967618882755182592
 Original message From: grarpamp  Date: 
2/24/18  11:19 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: 
CNN, for that offer you just can't refuse :D 
> It is entirely obvious that someone in authority knew or strongly suspected
> that this school shooting was coming, and responded,
> not by...
> but by...

9/11, the model is well honed and remains highly effective.

Cries of scam arise as once high-flying firms fail to deliver on cryptocurrency

[g2s]

The ethics of weasels and vultures. Is it any wonder that all the creatives 
fled the industry leaving a culture of self-interested hacks behind?
WASHINGTON

When the price of bitcoin and other digital currencies shot up late last year, 
insurance agent Ryan James wanted in on the action. He hit a trifecta.

Unfortunately for James, the trifecta was in three get-rich-quick companies 
that crashed in value, drew the attention of U.S. and Canadian regulators and 
highlighted the dangers of the go-go world of digital currency.

The sharp skid in fortunes of the three companies — USI-Tech Limited, 
BitConnect and DavorCoin — has triggered hundreds of millions of dollars in 
losses for clients around the world, and perhaps more...
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article200610969.html

Re: A new form of mailing list ?

[g2s]

 Original message From: Valentin Pasquale 
 Date: 2/19/18  10:49 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: A new form of mailing list ? 
The Ethereum blockchain support smart contract, therefore to interact with them 
you need to fill a "data form" in your transaction
Because you can fill in with the hexa you want (in any transaction), you can 
"write", and upload anything you want. The site etherscan.io can display the 
ASCII, for example here (it's written "Hi here") : 
https://rinkeby.etherscan.io/tx/0x00bfab09b0c950967b252c10f50ea0c2d65af39e1289feb7057805f12a3753bd

Not my code but here is a JavaScript client using the etherscan API : 
https://pastebin.com/8GfHAQQm

Howerer because it's expensive (the more data you upload the expensive it is) I 
guess people would talk on one of the ethereum test net (on rinkeby you can get 
a dozen of ether for free, enough to talk for a while) (ethereum or another one 
it doesn't matter)

I guess next generation of Internet puzzle (like CICADA3301) will be upload on 
blockchains instead of twitter

I found the concept "cool" therefore seeking for your feedback being not a 
cypherpunk

> On 19 Feb 2018, at 12:56, sergey  wrote:
> 
> Can you explain how it is working,  please?
> 
> 
>> On 19.02.2018 09:48, Valentin Pasquale wrote:
>> A friend showed my that : 
>> https://rinkeby.etherscan.io/address/0x402011f50057a2c4da098b063f698b4fbebfb88c
>> Which is someone trying to seek for people to talk with on the blockchain
>> 
>> Anyone here tried that ?
>> Is it a better form of mailing list for you cypher punks against censorship 
>> or whatever ?.
>
I'm remembering when it was discovered that Internet Exlpoder engineers put 
some padding text in their code that read: "netscape engineers are weenies", 
and sniggering.

Like that? But using blockchain code.
Rr

Re: AFRICAN HISTORY MONTH

[g2s]

First off,  the only reason I even saw this is because John replied to this 
pinhead.
To wit, the pinhead wrote:
> Walk down the street.  You will notice that black Americans generally have 
> smaller heads, reflecting smaller brains..
You'd have to be a moron ... ie. Pinhead, to actually believe that. My large 
jewish nose (sic) can smell the stench of this human shitpile all the way 
across cyberspace.
Rr

 Original message From: John Newman  Date: 
2/15/18  8:27 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: jam...@echeque.com Cc: 
cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: AFRICAN HISTORY MONTH 


> On Feb 12, 2018, at 4:00 PM, jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> 
>> On 11/02/2018 11:21, John Newman wrote:
>> Are you being purposely disingenuous? There were obviously also raiding 
>> parties and
>> the sale of “prisoners of war” between and within different black Africans 
>> themselves,
> 
> Dramatic, but atypical.
> 
> Enslavement on the basis of war was generally result of pacification 
> campaigns, rather than "slave raids" - kings enslaved those who were 
> persistently causing them trouble, with the objective of deterring 
> troublemakers and getting rid of them.  As, for example, the Irish.
> 
> And most enslavement was not on the basis of war.  It was more typically for 
> petty theft, particularly stealing from one's employer, and vagrancy.  (Not 
> having visible means of support.)
> 
>> divisions exploited by European slavers anxious to fill the gaping maw 
>> hungry for free
>> labor to subsidize the colonization and exploitation of the “new world”.
> 
> Slavery was driven by supply, rather than demand.  It was a way of dealing 
> with problem people.  And Africa had, and still has, more problem people.
> 


You are so full of shit. Conversation with scum like yourself is utterly 
pointless. 
Slavery was driven by a SLAVE ECONOMY, which was obviously driven by demand.
Do you actually believe the bullshit you spout? 


> Walk down the street.  You will notice that black Americans generally have 
> smaller heads, reflecting smaller brains.  Thus require more supervision, and 
> are less apt to voluntarily accept supervision.
> 
> People who need supervision, and are disinclined to accept it, cause 
> problems.  Slavery was a way of dealing with those problems.

Re: [Cryptography] Useless side channels

[g2s]

Hey bozo. Send your emails to one list at a time.
#$#$#$
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cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: [Cryptography] Useless side channels 
I'm pretty sure it is illegal for airplane mode not to halt all transmissions. 
Of course this won't matter.
I looked into my BIOS settings and apparently there is spread-spectrum 
modulation to reduce EMI? No idea if it reduces or masks side channel 
emissions. MAYBE THIS REQUIRES RESEARCH.
There are serious vulnerabilities, and everyone looks the other way. It is a 
great mystery.
Somehow there is demand for hardware random number generators when you could 
fit an antenna to the microphone jack and pick up low frequency cosmic 
background radiation. Or even higher frequencies, wifi requires error 
correction because of imperfections within the circuitry and echoes from walls 
requiring full knowledge of the device's placement and design.
In the end, the most amazing thing is that every purported benefit is really a 
hindrance, and real beneficial things without secret problems are ignored.
No really, look for every touted benefit that seems to provide marginal benefit 
over a simpler solution, and it is really an elaborate backdoor. x86 is 
designed for the unlikely scenario that a computer only needs a few dozen 
threads.
P.S. Buy iPhones, not Android, because the Apple tax is really the price for 
cybersecurity. In some mystery, carrier-specific forks of Android should really 
use a subset of apps, unique sprites, and unique bootloader screens. If Google 
cared about cybersecurity, they would bar outdated phones from being sold that 
can access Google Play. Android 4.4 devices are STILL BEING SOLD.Ideally when 
people buy products, money goes towards a trust for long term maintenance of 
them. Like cemeteries. A properly designed product would be supported for a 
long time.Purism's products seem to be from an irrational design basis that the 
GPL will cure everything. 

Re: [Cryptography] Useless side channels

[g2s]

 Original message From: Ryan Carboni  Date: 
2/12/18  12:31 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cryptogra...@metzdowd.com, 
cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: [Cryptography] Useless side channels 
I'm pretty sure it is illegal for airplane mode not to halt all transmissions. 
Of course this won't matter.
I looked into my BIOS settings and apparently there is spread-spectrum 
modulation to reduce EMI? No idea if it reduces or masks side channel 
emissions. MAYBE THIS REQUIRES RESEARCH.
Spread spectrum accomplishes nothing when it comes to RFI from square waves, 
which produce spurious emmissions all over the spectrum. MIGHT cut down the 
ERP, but... 
Most likely Android LOGS, and then delivers when the radio is on
Rr



There are serious vulnerabilities, and everyone looks the other way. It is a 
great mystery.
Somehow there is demand for hardware random number generators when you could 
fit an antenna to the microphone jack and pick up low frequency cosmic 
background radiation. Or even higher frequencies, wifi requires error 
correction because of imperfections within the circuitry and echoes from walls 
requiring full knowledge of the device's placement and design.
In the end, the most amazing thing is that every purported benefit is really a 
hindrance, and real beneficial things without secret problems are ignored.
No really, look for every touted benefit that seems to provide marginal benefit 
over a simpler solution, and it is really an elaborate backdoor. x86 is 
designed for the unlikely scenario that a computer only needs a few dozen 
threads.
P.S. Buy iPhones, not Android, because the Apple tax is really the price for 
cybersecurity. In some mystery, carrier-specific forks of Android should really 
use a subset of apps, unique sprites, and unique bootloader screens. If Google 
cared about cybersecurity, they would bar outdated phones from being sold that 
can access Google Play. Android 4.4 devices are STILL BEING SOLD.Ideally when 
people buy products, money goes towards a trust for long term maintenance of 
them. Like cemeteries. A properly designed product would be supported for a 
long time.Purism's products seem to be from an irrational design basis that the 
GPL will cure everything. 

Re: Internet FunBux Follies Report

[g2s]

 Original message From: Steven Schear <schear.st...@gmail.com> 
Date: 2/9/18  10:23 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: Razer <g...@riseup.net> Subject: Re: 
Internet FunBux Follies Report 
> It's easy to use your CC account to buy anything you can with cash. Every 
> month almost every cardholder gets these checks in the mail which can be used 
> to pay and common debt. If you can't deposit one into your checking account 
> (the simplest solution), overpay one your other cards with a zero balance and 
> next month request the issuer send you a check for the overage. Voila, cash 
> to buy cryptocurrencies.
You DO realize how much this sounds like a pitch from those credit card junk 
mails I throw in the trash?
Rr


On Feb 9, 2018 2:25 PM, "g2s" <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
"Bitcoiners, previously declaring their internet funbux will destroy all banks, 
are mad that banks are forbidding them to buy funbux on credit."
https://twitter.com/gerikson/status/960461472009805824

Internet FunBux Follies Report

[g2s]

"Bitcoiners, previously declaring their internet funbux will destroy all banks, 
are mad that banks are forbidding them to buy funbux on credit."
https://twitter.com/gerikson/status/960461472009805824

Re: "Data Detox Kit" by Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla

[g2s]

 Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date: 1/29/18 
 2:59 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cp <cypherpu...@cpunks.org> Subject: Re: "Data Detox 
Kit" by Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla 
On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 14:42:48 -0800
g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:

> 

> > 
> > #$@&^*!((:
> > >... the same asshole who says the government owns the roads and
> > >that 9/11 was done by evil arabs..."
> > I argue for validation of driving skills before using public roads.
> > Self-validation doesn't seem like a good bet, and 911 was planned by
> > rational people 
> 
> 
> > > oh really? And who were they? 

> Absolutely does not matter.


oh come on, don't be a cowardly clown.

go ahead and further embarrass yourself, and further prove that
you are just a US govt propaganda bot. 


>> [ego strokes redacted], who
planned the 9/11 false flag attack? 

It doesn't matter who planned it. It's who stood to gain from it.
Focus, stupid.

Rr


> Rr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > who accrued a group of desperate useful idiots to
> > accomplish it. Evil is relative. Rr
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 

Re: "Data Detox Kit" by Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla

[g2s]

 Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date: 1/29/18 
 2:33 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cp <cypherpu...@cpunks.org> Subject: Re: "Data Detox 
Kit" by Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla 
On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 13:48:33 -0800
g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:

> 
> #$@&^*!((:
> >... the same asshole who says the government owns the roads and that
> >9/11 was done by evil arabs..."
> I argue for validation of driving skills before using public roads.
> Self-validation doesn't seem like a good bet, and 911 was planned by
> rational people 


> > oh really? And who were they? 
Absolutely does not matter.
Rr





> who accrued a group of desperate useful idiots to
> accomplish it. Evil is relative. Rr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: "Data Detox Kit" by Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla

[g2s]

#$@&^*!((:
>... the same asshole who says the government owns the roads and that 9/11 was 
>done by evil arabs..."
I argue for validation of driving skills before using public roads. 
Self-validation doesn't seem like a good bet, and 911 was planned by rational 
people who accrued a group of desperate useful idiots to accomplish it. Evil is 
relative.
Rr

Re: "Data Detox Kit" by Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla

[g2s]

That was a blank email to match a blank stare, stupid.
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Re: "Data Detox Kit" by Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla

[g2s]

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Re: "Data Detox Kit" by Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla

[g2s]

 Original message From: John Newman <j...@synfin.org> Date: 
1/29/18  8:27 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org, g2s 
<g...@riseup.net>, juan <juan@gmail.com> Subject: Re: "Data Detox Kit" by 
Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla 


On January 28, 2018 10:31:40 PM EST, g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
>
> Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date:
>1/28/18  6:32 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject:
>Re: "Data Detox Kit" by Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla 
>On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 22:38:33 -0200
>Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello from Brazil, Shiny Happy TTC People!  :D
>> 
>> May someone give a really good technical answer to my friends,
>> please?  <3
>> 
>> I will need to share the answer about the use of JavaScript with two
>> other discussion lists, where I also received a "not-so-good"
>> feedback in private.  Sorry but I am using an euphemism, uh!  :P
>
>
>   If you don't enable javascript that site won't show you any
>   content at all. They could have put a static page explaining
>   what the site is about but apparently they were too lazy to
>   do that. 
>   
>   And, javascript is the number one tool used to track and
>   fingerprint browsers so a site about privacy (I'm assuming
>   that's what the site is about) that refuses to do anything
>   unless javascript is enabledlooks like a joke.
>
>
>
>> 
>> Thank you all in advance!  Kisses, hugs, and much love!  <3
>> 
>> Ceci
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 28, 2018 21:12, "juan" <juan@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 21:53:24 -0200
>> Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > #  https://datadetox.myshadow.org/detox
>> > <https://datadetox.myshadow.org/detox>
>> 
>> 
>> "Sorry!
>> 
>> The Data Detox Kit requires javascript and supports newer versions of
>> Chrome, Safari, and Firefox. Please enable javascript in your browser
>> and refresh this page. "
>> 
>> 
>> lawl - so data detox - whatever that means - requires you to
>> run javashit malware  - priceless =)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> > #  https://datadetox.myshadow.org/about
>> >
>> > Wish you all a lovely week, la la la!  <3
>> >
>> > c.
>> > --
>> > "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or
>> > your curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go
>> > on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to
>> > live."
>> > -  Mae Jemison
>
>
>Jscript allows for extreme interactivity between your computer and a
>server, but the code is plaintext. It can be examined for functions.
>Rr

> JS is usually obfuscated to the point of complete unreadability.
Coders do this so you can't "steal" their code, or maybe
sometimes to get slight compression (all the variables get
renamed to one or two letter names, etc) So, you can still
look at it, but it's often only nearly as opaque as byte code :)

Thats where crowdsourced blockers come into the picture. NoScript for instance. 
You have dozens of folks unobfuscating the scripts. Ofc you have to have some 
trust in the blocker, and the site's intention for the data gleaned, and if 
you're really paranoid perhaps find some other hobby than the internet rather 
than spewing paranoia all over everyone like digital diarrhea. The internet 
isn't Safe Space... never was. Never will be.
Rr

Re: "Data Detox Kit" by Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla

[g2s]

Wassamatteru? Can't read ingrish?
You can examine the script and see what it does. You can discern which 
informatiin the server is gleaming and decide if you want to participate or 
block.
Or are you a NAZI who wants to decide what others do when they browse?
Rr
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Re: "Data Detox Kit" by Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla

[g2s]

 Original message From: juan  Date: 1/28/18 
 6:32 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: "Data Detox 
Kit" by Tactical Technology Collective & Mozilla 
On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 22:38:33 -0200
Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:

> Hello from Brazil, Shiny Happy TTC People!  :D
> 
> May someone give a really good technical answer to my friends,
> please?  <3
> 
> I will need to share the answer about the use of JavaScript with two
> other discussion lists, where I also received a "not-so-good"
> feedback in private.  Sorry but I am using an euphemism, uh!  :P


If you don't enable javascript that site won't show you any
content at all. They could have put a static page explaining
what the site is about but apparently they were too lazy to
do that. 

And, javascript is the number one tool used to track and
fingerprint browsers so a site about privacy (I'm assuming
that's what the site is about) that refuses to do anything
unless javascript is enabledlooks like a joke.



> 
> Thank you all in advance!  Kisses, hugs, and much love!  <3
> 
> Ceci
> 
> 
> On Jan 28, 2018 21:12, "juan"  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 21:53:24 -0200
> Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:
> 
> > #  https://datadetox.myshadow.org/detox
> > 
> 
> 
> "Sorry!
> 
> The Data Detox Kit requires javascript and supports newer versions of
> Chrome, Safari, and Firefox. Please enable javascript in your browser
> and refresh this page. "
> 
> 
> lawl - so data detox - whatever that means - requires you to
> run javashit malware  - priceless =)
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > #  https://datadetox.myshadow.org/about
> >
> > Wish you all a lovely week, la la la!  <3
> >
> > c.
> > --
> > "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or
> > your curiosity.  It's your place in the world; it's your life.  Go
> > on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to
> > live."
> > -  Mae Jemison


Jscript allows for extreme interactivity between your computer and a server, 
but the code is plaintext. It can be examined for functions.
Rr

Re: American Culture

[g2s]

Ben Franklin was the only president of the United States who was never 
president of the United States -Firesign Theater, Everything You Know Is Wrong 
Rr
 Original message From: juan  Date: 1/27/18 
 11:31 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cp  Subject: American 
Culture 
[Redacted crap]
> signed : american founding fucker, president, and slave owner, franklin.

Re: I'll give the right answers to the right questions

[g2s]

Ps. Don't Cc lists please
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cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: I'll give the right answers to the right 
questions 
I just skimmed through Computer Organization and Design RISC-V Edition: The 
Hardware Software Interface, so I'll just give you some stream of consciousness 
notes on a good CPU
Time Stamp Counter should be virtualized. The white hat counterpart to 
Rutkowski's blue pillno out of order execution, or any other just in time 
compilationno speculative executionimplicit parallelization

implement major components of the operating system in hardware, Xen is only 
twenty megabytes which is comparable to maximum bitstream size for some 
FPGAarguably the only thing that needs to be implemented in silicon is the ALU, 
and the buseach core has multiple threads, even shadow threads invisible to 
root meant to handle interuptsto deal with context switch delays, pipeline 
threads, this may be called a ready queue?if a processor can rename registers 
on the fly, it should be able to load processes quicklyin fact this may be to 
some degree done with hyper threading, although unsure why it is apparently 
limited to two threads per CPU, although it may require multiple instruction 
decoding 
buffers, " It seems like the P4 flushes its micro-op cache as part of handling 
an interrupt" https://wiki.osdev.org/Context_Switchingalthough this still 
wouldn't prevent having two threads per CPU, and at least one standby thread, 
particularly if a branch prediction buffer is removed
eDRAM cache buffer scheduled threads, and to partially virtualize L1 caches for 
them. maybe no shared caches, everything must be copied into L1 first.

the best possible compromise for single thread performance is to allow the OS 
to flag a thread with a high priority, two threads with unequal priority on a 
core will mean the higher priority thread will run until its allotted cycles 
run out or there is a stall, creating de facto coarse multithreading, although 
this seems unlikely to be needed
apparently dynamic power use has been reducing, so speculative execution is not 
as big of a power hog as increasing clock speed
copy on write should be done in a way to avoid any possible race condition, if 
multiple processes are aware of data before it is marked copy on write, it is 
being done wrongincoherent data should be avoidedanything in complexity that 
exceeds the short term memory of the smartest programmers should be avoided
branch prediction apparently involves flushing instructions halfway 
executed?ideally flushing is constant time to avoid side channels, which would 
make it easier as well, although more hardware intensive
overall illogical and detrimentral design decisions have led to the erosion of 
computer security.emphasis on single thread performance neglects modern 
computing design
obviously branch prediction or any other optimization should be toggled for 
cryptography

https://wiki.osdev.org/Context_SwitchingThere are many ways of performing a 
context switch. The x86 CPU provides a way of doing it completely in hardware, 
but for performance and portability reasons most modern OS's do 
context switches in software.

http://blog.erratasec.com/2015/03/x86-is-high-level-language.html
The upshot is this: Intel's x86 is a high-level language. Coding everything up 
according to Agner Fog's instruction timings still won't produce the 
predictable, constant-time code you are looking for. There may be some 
solutions, like using CMOV, but it will take research.
---
research... hmmm... execute and then check or check then execute?
an interesting meme, research, research, researchresearch and then implement an 
idea or implement an idea and then research it?

Re: I'll give the right answers to the right questions

[g2s]

I fathomed about 30% of that. But it's a valuable 30%. Thanks.
Rr
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Re: Republicans hope to release 'jaw-dropping' memo on surveillance abuses

[g2s]

 Original message From: John Newman  Date: 
1/22/18  3:24 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: jdb10...@yahoo.com Cc: CypherPunks 
 Subject: Re: Republicans hope to release 
'jaw-dropping' memo on surveillance abuses 


On Jan 22, 2018, at 4:25 PM, jim bell  wrote:

House Republicans are hopeful that a four-page memo allegedly containing 
"jaw-dropping" revelations about U.S. government surveillance abuses will soon 
be made public.

[Hate site link redacted -Rr]
Sent via the Fox News app for Android. Download the app here:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.foxnews.android


>> God bless the Fox News app ;)

See The Brainwashing of My Dad
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brainwashing_of_My_Dad
A documentary regarding FoxNews and the promulgation of Hate by a woman who 
watched her aging tolerant father become hateful and intolerant when he began 
watching Faux. She discovered others having similar experiences with their 
relatives.
I know theres a torrent out there b/c thats how I got my copy, but I don't have 
the info handy.
Rr
Sent from my android watching me watching it...

Re: Chelsea Manning For US

[g2s]

Actually, tour
 Original message From: "nul"
>> All of this is bullshit. I'm chelsea manning.  It's fake news.

ACTUALLY, your name is junkfile... bye.
Rr

Re: Chelsea Manning For US

[g2s]

 Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date: 1/18/18 
 8:06 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cp <cypherpu...@cpunks.org> Subject: Re: Chelsea 
Manning For US 
On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 19:48:59 -0800
g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:


> Actually it isn't that at all. It's a complex surgical procedure
> where they, 

>> and they put a clitoris in it too? they >> don't? go figure

>> lol at fucking medical savagery

Actually, i believe they use the prostate gland. Not sure though.

> for want of a more technical description, "turn it inside
> out and tuck it in". Rr Ps. I knew a guy in boulder Co in the 1970s
> that did the chopjob on himself. But he was a rather disturbed person
> who couldn't possibly pass the standard psych evaluation.
> 

>> sure, "psych" evaluation 

Yeah. Psych evaluation. Because they, at least, don't want to have the patient 
deciding they really didn't want to make the change. There's eztensive 
counseling and evaluation before they proceed. Unlike boob jobs, lip 
enhancements, et al..
Rr

Re: Chelsea Manning For US

[g2s]

 Original message From: juan  Date: 1/18/18 
 6:27 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cp  Subject: Re: Chelsea 
Manning For US 
On Thu, 18 Jan 2018 20:50:46 -0500
John Newman  wrote:


> 
> I don’t think it’s really just a matter of chopping it off, 

>> but that's what it is.
Actually it isn't that at all. It's a complex surgical procedure where they, 
for want of a more technical description, "turn it inside out and tuck it in".
Rr
Ps. I knew a guy in boulder Co in the 1970s that did the chopjob on himself. 
But he was a rather disturbed person who couldn't possibly pass the standard 
psych evaluation.

> that was
> me just sort of bullshitting ;)

rather, I think you are bullshitting now, trying to play it
down =)

 Anyway, out of curiosity, I took a
> look and Argentina is actually quite a bit farther along this line
> than the old Americunts... the following cut and pasted from
> wikipedia  - 
> 
> 
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Argentina
> 
> “Transgender rights in Argentina are among the most advanced in the
> world. 

sounds exactly like what the typical local 'progressive'
asshole would write : "most advanced in the world"  haha 


> The country "has one of the world's most comprehensive
> transgender rights laws":[1] its Gender Law, passed in 2012, made
> Argentina the "only country that allows people to change their gender
> identities without facing barriers such as hormone therapy, surgery
> or psychiatric diagnosis that labels them as having an
> abnormality".[2][3] In 2015, the World Health Organization cited
> Argentina as an exemplary country for providing transgender
> rights.[3] Upon legalising same-sex marriage on July 15, 2010,
> Argentina became the first country in Latin America, the second in
> the Americas, and the tenth in the world to do so.”
> 
> 
> 
> “Gender identity law
> 
> The Ley de Género (Gender Law),[7] grants adults sex reassignment
> surgery and hormone therapy as a part of their public or private
> health care plans. The law also allows for changes to gender, image,
> or birth name on civil registries without the approval of a doctor or
> a judge.”


sounds like bullshit. Changing your birth name was always a
bureaucratic mess and I actually doubt people ever tried it.
So I highly doubt you can now change your name or 'image'(what
the fuck is that even supposed to mean) easily. 

I can tell you however that last time I tried to buy a kilo of
caustic soda, the motherfucking scum at the shop didn't sell it
to me because I don't have a credit card. They want  ID AND
you can't pay in cash. Courtesy of the DEA and the local DEA
lapdogs. 

Re: Chelsea Manning For US Senator From Maryland

[g2s]

 Original message From: juan  Date: 1/16/18 
 11:28 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Chelsea 
Manning For US Senator From Maryland 
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:23:25 -0500
grarpamp  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAXo1Y7AK_I

"we don't need more or better leaders" 

that's right  and that's why 'senator' manning can go fuck
himself. 





> 287k views
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOl10b5cnio
> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/15/centrist-dems-launch-smear-campaign-against-young-trans-woman-all-to-keep-an-old-straight-white-man-in-power/
> 
> Big respect and support.


no, fuck any politician.


8x Snip x8

You REALLY need to look at Manning's twitterfeed. You're missing the point 
entirely.
Rr

Just sayin'... Vulns

[g2s]

Aka Cypherpunk predictions for 2020
2014: Vulns in popular applications
2015: Vulns in the browser
2016: Vulns in antivirus
2017: Vulns in the kernel
2018: Vulns in the CPU
2019: Vulns in NAND gates
2020: Vulns in quantum electrodynamics
-
https://twitter.com/ColumPaget/status/949241996681596929
"Writes code...Lapsed Leftie"
#280Characters 
Rr

Re: Own on install. How grave it is?

[g2s]

 Original message From: Georgi Guninski <gunin...@guninski.com> 
Date: 1/11/18  11:40 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: g2s <g...@riseup.net> Cc: Kirils 
Solovjovs <kirils.solovj...@kirils.com>, cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: 
Re: Own on install. How grave it is? 
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 08:43:27AM -0800, g2s wrote:
> > The concerns are real and industry resolves this by applying the minimal
> > required patches from a media before connecting device to the network.
> >
> 
> >> Thanks. This doesn't appear possible on smartphones, tablets and some IoT, 
> >> right?
>  
> Phones and tablets? Why not? The update or os is downloaded in full before 
> installation and, at least in android, a dos bootstrap appears to run the 
> install.
> Rr
>


>>Thanks, could be, I am not familiar with phones and tablets. Is this
documented in more details somewhere?
 
All I know is when android runs it's system update a dos screen appears for a 
second or two before it runs. The text is microscopic and there's no way to 
screenshot it, but I'm pretty sure it runs from android's firmware. Sometimes 
it's just a couple of lines, sometimes a screenful. Ofc the hardware could be 
compromised.
Example. Compass Automation. A company that makes the S/w tools to put 
backdoors in chips. Senator Dianne Feinstein's military-industrial millionaire 
hubby has interest in Compass, or whatever it calls itself now. Interesting to 
note she's a fixture on the Senate Intel Committee.
Here's a post I did a while back on Compass, and note, someone didn't like me 
calling her a corrupt bitch, or perhaps they didn't care for me noting the 
connection.
http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/54758257254

Re: Own on install. How grave it is?

[g2s]

 Original message From: Georgi Guninski  
Date: 1/11/18  4:52 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: Kirils Solovjovs 
 Cc: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Own 
on install. How grave it is? 
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 11:54:00AM +0200, Kirils Solovjovs wrote:
> 
> The concerns are real and industry resolves this by applying the minimal
> required patches from a media before connecting device to the network.
>

>> Thanks. This doesn't appear possible on smartphones, tablets and some IoT, 
>> right?
 
Phones and tablets? Why not? The update or os is downloaded in full before 
installation and, at least in android, a dos bootstrap appears to run the 
install.
Rr

2018 Clusterfuck Forecast

[g2s]

James Kunstler's cynical forecast includes BTC
"Bitcoin and other cryptos have a superficial appeal as a wealth safe haven 
supposedly out-of-reach of avaricious governments — if you don’t consider 
everything else that’s wrong with it. (Yesterday, Dec 31, Australia’s biggest 
banks froze the accounts of Bitcoin investors.) I think the safe haven idea 
will prove fallacious. Governments are already finding ways to interfere, using 
taxation schemes and shutting down exchanges. Bitcoin’s other claims on 
“moneyness” look bogus as well. It’s too unstable to be a medium of exchange, 
and too difficult to even access when need to sell, and you certainly can’t 
price anything in it as it shoots up and crashes every day. Bitcoin went way up 
because people — or maybe just algorithms — saw it going way up, so they 
hitched a ride. The rush to the exits will be brutal. Its final resting place 
will be zero, but perhaps not without a trip or two to nosebleed levels in 
2018, especially as other markets wobble in the first half of the year. Bitcoin 
$50-K wouldn’t surprise me. But I’m not among the buyers. Enjoy the show...:
In full http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/forecast-2018-go-wrong/

Re: Anarchocrapitalism, "libertardianism", et al.

[g2s]

 Original message From: juan  Date: 1/6/18  
9:02 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: 
Anarchocrapitalism, "libertardianism", et al. 
On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 19:31:49 +1000
jam...@echeque.com wrote:

> On 1/6/2018 5:55 PM, juan wrote:
> > On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 17:21:29 +1000
> > jam...@echeque.com wrote:
> > 
> >> On 1/6/2018 2:40 PM, juan wrote:
> >>>   "The Size of the Bank Bailout: $29 Trillion "
> >>>   https://www.cnbc.com/id/45674390
> >>
> >> The reason the banks needed to be bailed out was affirmative action
> >> lending,
> > 
> > stop lying, scum
> 
> I was in Sunnyvale, which was ground zero of the Great Minority
> Mortgage Meltdown:  Almost every dud mortgage in Silicon valley, as
> near to all of them as makes no difference, was a loan to a non
> white, usually a recent immigrant, frequently illegal, usually with
> poor English or no English.
> 

I met a WHITE waitress whose job and her parent's credit garnered her a 300k 
mortgage on a house in the Santa Cruz mountains in the late 90s. First time she 
needed to see a doctor for a yeast infection or somesuch her white picket fence 
dream went bye bye fershure.
Further, At LEAST 90% of all those junk mortgages were used to buy investment 
properties which the owners attempted to pay down by leasing and renting, and 
later airbnb-ing them, driving up housing costs nationwide.
Iow you dont have the vaguest fucking idea what youre talking about and youre 
spewing racist nonsense because thats all you really know. Racist. Nonsense.
Rr
Ps. The only reason i saw your idiocy at all was because it was quoted by Juan. 
Your posts have been junkfiled for months.

(Juan continues )
lawl - all the shit you make up as you go is even more
absurd than 'jesus existence' - you are a compulsive scammer
(what else would you expect from a thief)

no doubt all the white scum who 'flipped' houses were actually
brown, homeless  and didn't speak english.

A Brief History of Money, Deek Jackson

[g2s]

Digicash is mentioned. He also mentions bitcoin, "a fiat currency".
https://youtu.be/P49CuntfNGk 9 minutes
If that delivery is too flat for you, try
 https://youtu.be/0xZ4dHffdqw
When To Kill Your Rulers. This is the short form synopsis version. Four 
minutes. There's a thirty minute version available that goes into 
excruciatingly torturous detail about the topic too. 
Rr

Re: Personal attacks etc (was Re: USA: National Security Strategy...)

[g2s]

Marina wrote:
"Nowadays my emotional reaction to TSA and the like is about the same as it was 
as a kid passing through E. Germany. PAPERS PLEASE !"
John Kay of the band Steppenwolf is the son of East German immigrants. He came 
to the states young, but he had a vicious take on it... or was the song The 
Ostrich about America, even in the 1960s?
 "We'll call you when you're six years oldAnd drag you to the factory
To train your brain for eighteen years
With promise of security
But then you're free
And forty years you waste to chase the dollar sign
So you may die in Florida
At the pleasant age of sixty nine

The water's getting hard to drink
We've mangled up the country side
The air will choke you when you breathe
We're all committing suicide

But it's alright
It's progress folks keep pushin' till your body rots
We'll strip the earth of all it's green
And then divide her into parking lots

But there's nothing you and I can do
You and I are only two
What's right and wrong is hard to say
Forget about it for today
We'll stick our heads into the sand
Just pretend that all is grand
Then hope that everything turns out ok

You're free to speak your mind my friend
As long as you agree with me
Don't criticize the father land
Or those who shape your destiny
'Cause if you do
You'll lose your job your mind and all the friends you knew
We'll send out all our boys in blue
They'll find a way to silence you

But there's nothing you and I can do
You and I are only two
What's right and wrong is hard to say
Forget about it for today
We'll stick our heads into the sand
Just pretend that all is grand
Then hope that everything turns out ok
It sounds like... https://youtube.com/watch?v=8SeUqDjPeP0
Also see Monster/Suicide/America
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U-vGxe1eMmQ
Randalls Island Live edition. Black activists had taken over the small soccer 
stadium off harlem NY where the 3 day concert took place with the help of a 
number of white ny radicals and made it a free concert.
The song opens with their road manager explaining to some surly looking BPPs 
how they had to negotiate a pay cut with another venue they were booked at 
because they wanted to be THERE, and how much the band liked playing NY... 
Madison Square Garden... 
One of them says "This isnt Madison Square Garden its a political protest." 
He responds:
"If you'll allow me...  You'll find out thats EXACTLY what we're going to do.
Ps. The footage of the war and protests shown in the video are not added. It 
was the light show projected on the stage backdrop.
Later, when Leslie West and Mountain played, someone had accessed the score and 
announcing booth and raised the NLF flag over the stadium, and a good time was 
had by all.
Rr







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Re: Anarchocrapitalism, "libertardianism", et al.

[g2s]

“Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men, for the 
nastiest of reasons, will somehow work for the benefit of us all.” -John 
Maynard Keynes
There IS NO SUCH THING as "kinder, gentler capitalism. Stop lying to youself 
and admit it. You're a greedy scumbag.
Rr

Re: ioerror again...

[g2s]

I agree with this. He tried to rectify his mistake and was lynched for it.
Rr
 Original message From: juan  Date: 1/3/18  
1:02 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: ioerror 
again... 


To sum up, jacob appelbaum was getting 100k US dollars per year
from the pentagon to promote the fake anonimity network known
as tor. Tor is used by the pentagon to attack what they (tor
and the pentagon) call 'repressive regimes' - for instance,
promoting coups in the middle east, and marketing them as
the "arab spring" 


"Tor, Anonymity, and the Arab Spring: An Interview with Jacob
Appelbaum" 
http://www.monitor.upeace.org/innerpg.cfm?id_article=816


Apparently at some point appelbaum took a less corrupt stance
regarding his employers, said something along the lines of "tor
is compromised" and was promptly lynched by his feminazi 'ex'
comrades. It is 'interesting' to see how the pentagon deals
with traitors. A swift 'extra judicial' progressive lynching. 

Re: Personal attacks etc (was Re: USA: National Security Strategy...)

[g2s]

Leftists hate everyone, troll?
From each according to their ability; to each according to their need...
Sure sounds hateful.
Rr
Ps. The revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love, motherfucker.
A certain Cuban said that, scumbag. To the Junkfile with you
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Re: Personal attacks etc (was Re: USA: National Security Strategy...)

[g2s]

"Shawn K. Quinn" wrote:
On 01/03/2018 01:35 PM, g2s wrote:
> AnarchoCap/So-called "libertarian" infestation. They attract fascists
> and nazis because they share an underlying ideology, despite their
> bleatings to the contrary.

...and those of us who actually stand up for decency and order get labeled as 
the nazis and fascists. Can you say "projection?"

-- 
Shawn K. Quinn 


Decency and order in Capitalist societies are relative and oppress someone 
somewhere. That's a defining trait. Someone's on top. Someone's on the bottom 
getting screwed. There is no option to that in capitalist economics. The people 
on top who control the repression apparatus are fascist, and the people who 
otherwise prosper are, to use a well worn phrase, Good Germans.
I had a similar convo on twitter the other day. Here's what I wrote:
"There is no such thing as anarchocapitalism or for that matter 
capitalism-based socialism. The former is libertarianism... narcissistic 
capitalism, the latter Fascism, or if you would, National Socialism."
Currently I'm in TwitterJail for responding to this ViceCanada article...
https://twitter.com/vicecanada/status/948635075272359936 
...about the "Skate Girls of Kabul" with:
"Too bad they dont have clean running water. Fuck YOU for glossing over the 
#Genocide America caused in #Afghanistan... #Scumbags. Ps We're sending 
thousands of troops to Afghanistan in '18 to make SURE Iraqis stay addicted en 
masse to Heroin."
https://twitter.com/AuntieImperial/status/948641912310841344
Capitalism. Someone gets screwed and the Good Germans are happy believing in 
myths and lies.
Rr, cutting the crap, with a machete

Re: Personal attacks etc (was Re: USA: National Security Strategy...)

[g2s]

Marina Brown wrote: 
> I stand with Ceci.

I'll take her light hearted fun stuff over the far right babblings that have 
pushed decent discussion off this list for the most part.
How did we get to this point ?
--- Marina

AnarchoCap/So-called "libertarian" infestation. They attract fascists and nazis 
because they share an underlying ideology, despite their bleatings to the 
contrary.
Rr

ioerror again...

[g2s]

https://twitter.com/chelseakomlo/status/946904128554504192
I've been standing these bozos and bozoettes down, and describing how 
institutional slander works, and positing such ideas as...
So it doesn't happen every time (calling the police). Fact of the matter is for 
ALL these alleged incidents it didn't happen at all. Look schmuck, I did 
industrial statistics for a decade and your background doesn't have to be that 
to see this defies the odds. I just wonder...
...how many of the 'complainants' are involved in tor's UI, and whether they 
were told their jobs would be threatened if io got his way, focusing on real 
security instead of becoming the insecure consumer garbage it has become due to 
focus on a sucker-friendly UI?
Rr

Re: size of the imperial american nazi government

[g2s]

 Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date: 
12/29/17  9:42 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: 
size of the imperial american nazi government 
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 09:08:08 -0800
g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:

> 
> > "...profiting from that system. That’s about a third of the US
> > population, all the way from Chelsea Clinton to someone in the
> > gutters of San Antonio whose brother is deployed in Iraq..."
> 
> My class analysis says the latter is a victim of capitalism, and is
> not PROFITING from the system, surviving within the system others
> profit from. Rr


do you mean the soldier or his hypothetical brother? the
soldier is obviously not a victim  - on the contrary, he's the
worst scum on the planet. And if he has a wife and children
then those certainly profit from his daddy being a child
murderer.

I meant the brother in the gutter. I consider soldiers, typically, to be dupes. 
Suckers, and responsible for their stupidity, but educatable. During the 
Vietnam war th feds didn't permit draft resistance centers that educated 
soldiers to be located anywhere near military bases (by law... forget the exact 
distance) because of soldier attrition due to those operations. Underground 
railroad to canada,  etc.
Rr

Re: size of the imperial american nazi government

[g2s]

 Original message From: juan  Date: 
12/28/17  3:21 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cp  Subject: size of 
the imperial american nazi government 


> "Up until Collateral Murder we were a cause célèbre in the
United States among various groups; actually we are still a
cause célèbre, but it is in a smaller left-wing or libertarian
right-wing community now.237 According to Reuters, across
twenty-four countries we have the support of over
three-quarters of the gen- eral population. Our support is
worst in the United States, where we have the support of over
40 percent of the population, which is still pretty good
considering what has been happening.

As a result of embarrassing the US military and diplomatic
class, we have had a counterattack. That counterattack is
significant. This is a very significant power group that is not
just at the top of the White House, it’s not just a few
generals; rather, it is all the people con- nected to and
profiting from that system. That’s about a third of the US
population, all the way from Chelsea Clinton to someone in the
gutters of San Antonio whose brother is deployed in Iraq. There
are 900,000 people in the United States with top-secret
security clear- ances at this moment. There are two and a
half million that have

classified security clearances.239 If we go back over the past
twenty years and ask how many people had security clearances,
maybe it is 15 million. If we then go and look at all their
spouses and business partners and children we are looking at
something like 30 percent of the population of the United
States that is one degree removed from that ideological
structure and that patronage system. It is quite diffi- cult in
the United States to say something that is against that system."

j. assange

÷÷

> "...profiting from that system. That’s about a third of the US population, 
> all the way from Chelsea Clinton to someone in the gutters of San Antonio 
> whose brother is deployed in Iraq..."

My class analysis says the latter is a victim of capitalism, and is not 
PROFITING from the system, surviving within the system others profit from.
Rr

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

[g2s]

 Original message From: grarpamp  Date: 
12/24/17  10:15 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpu...@cpunks.org Subject: Re: 
Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 
That billions of people worldwide still worship and follow
religions... that declare exclusivity over / against all others
and their people, indoctrinate malleable children trapped in
the home and school from birth, authorize taxation slavery
rape murder both within and external for their own benefit,
root from what amounts to miraculous unwitnessed by the
masses even hallucination journeys in caves starvation quests,
that assert nonprovables as fact, and so on... yes, this picture
isn't going to change anytime soon.

Libertarian / anarchism, atheism / agnostic / spiritual /
private / etc might stand a better chance at peace and
progress than those schemes.

Interesting comparative study the progress / longevity of
countries that follow[ed] the former vs. the latter.

Funny both bitcoin and religion may destroy the
planet before achieving their ultimate goals.

--

Looking for similarities? Both domains are pwned by vicious psychopaths.
Rr

Morgan Stanley says the true price of bitcoin might be zero

[g2s]

And they should know because they PWN ur btcz gambler. They can put you "In a 
cardboard box by the river" any time they choose.
http://www.businessinsider.com/morgan-stanley-on-bitcoin-value-2017-12

Re: RAYZER'S WET DREAM COME TRUE: BITCOIN CRASHES LOL

[g2s]

Read the Vinay Gupta post.
null

Vinay Gupta (Ethereum Project ) on BTC

[g2s]

"It's becoming increasingly necessary to split the "making the internet work 
properly" faction from the "holy shit free money" faction in the 
crypto-currency situation. THERE IS NO FREE MONEY. There's only risk: if we 
can't make the global economy more efficient, your BTC hits $0"
Thread  https://twitter.com/leashless/status/944379528322994176

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

[g2s]

As I said 'confused' about the difference between fascism... quaintly and 
incorrectly called national socialism  (because it doesn't even watch out for 
the well being of all citizens within its borders) and Socialism.
Rr
Ps. To the junkfile list with you.

 Original message From: Sandal Snare <san...@cock.li> Date: 
12/21/17  3:16 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org, 
g...@riseup.net Subject: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 
> g2s g2s at ri̇́seup.net
> Sat Dec 16 14:08:17 PST 2017

> Ennio was confused.

Was he.
I included an image that I think is relevant.

TL;DC:
Fascism = Wehrmacht Germany
Wehrmacht Germany = Socialism
Socialism = Gommunism
Gommunism = Fascism





As I said 'confused' about the difference between fascism... quaintly and 
incorrectly called national socialism  (because it doesn't even watch out for 
the well being of all citizens within its borders) and Socialism.
Rr
Ps. To the junkfile list with you.

Re: RAYZER'S WET DREAM COME TRUE: BITCOIN CRASHES LOL

[g2s]

Actually a real alternative digital currency based on a rational and stable 
commodity, such as hemp, would be good. But the kind of scumbags interested in 
btc would NEVER consider investing in something they couldn't get rich on 
quick, so the whole concept is fuck-ed. If, by some quirk of fate,  btc had 
appeared in the 1980s or early 90s before those scumbags began infesting the 
computer industry, it MIGHT HAVE worked out, but as I said before, TimMay's 
ideation of btc died in infancy. Those scumbags btw, are undoubtedly why TM 
retired to the hills of Corrolitos, where hippies once ran free before the 
geeks moved in, and gtfo of the industry.
Rr
 Original message From: Gaycoin  Date: 
12/21/17  11:56 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: 
RAYZER'S WET DREAM COME TRUE: BITCOIN CRASHES LOL 
Coin went from ~20K to almost half it's value in a few days.

1,000,000.00
100,000.00
10,000.00 <--- You are here
1,000.00
100.00
10.00
1.00
0.01

Plebbit is in full meltdown.
This faggot lost it all:
reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/7leq7t/bought_at_19500_ama/

Pic related.

Should have invested in Gaycoin.
Lol.

Re: Bitcoin=Death Processor (Death Star if you would)

[g2s]

 Original message From: Steve Kinney <ad...@pilobilus.net> 
Date: 12/19/17  1:57 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: 
Re: Bitcoin=Death Processor (Death Star if you would) 


On 12/18/2017 03:54 PM, g2s wrote:
> "Only a species that had gone entirely insane, and consciously intended
> to wipe out life on Earth would ever consider such a process. But any
> species that could actively celebrate and expand it — must be understood
> as both emphatically suicidal and openly omnicidal."
>  
> Deep Green Resistance News Service
> 
>  Bitcoin = Death Processors
> 
> December 18, 2017
>  by Darin Stevenson / Medium
> 
> bitcoin Is Makeworky Unmoney
> 
> bitcoin is not exactly money. It’s a potentially valuable abstraction of
> computational ‘work’ that ‘earns’ bitcoin value. But what is bitcoin
> value and what is the nature of the work? The answers are bizarre
> because they are nonsensical.

Thanks for that.  Now when people on "social media" sites accuse me of
being intelligent, I can present a counter-example to prove myself
innocent of the charge.

Moar from Mr. Stevenson:

https://medium.com/ill-ixi-lli/against-quantum-mysticism-d6f95e3a2618


He DOES ramble on. The DGR people do that. I think it's the vegan diet with 
concurrent protein deficiency, but he does make a few salient points in that 
ramble, including the nature of Work. I define work as tasks that cannot be 
accomplished if smiling at any point during the task.
Rr

Bitcoin=Death Processor (Death Star if you would)

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"Only a species that had gone entirely insane, and consciously intended to wipe 
out life on Earth would ever consider such a process. But any species that 
could actively celebrate and expand it — must be understood as both 
emphatically suicidal and openly omnicidal." 
Deep Green Resistance News Service

 Bitcoin = Death Processors

December 18, 2017
 by Darin Stevenson / Medium

bitcoin Is Makeworky Unmoney

bitcoin is not exactly money. It’s a potentially valuable abstraction of 
computational ‘work’ that ‘earns’ bitcoin value. But what is bitcoin value and 
what is the nature of the work? The answers are bizarre because they are 
nonsensical.

bitcoin value is an abstraction of participation in the history of the network 
and its transactions. ‘Work’ is a (largely) nonuseful recomputation of, first, 
the transaction history of the network — which has to be reprocessed each time 
there is a bitcoin transaction. Then, continual banging away at some useless 
math with added ‘weight factor’ that makes it arbitrarily difficult for 
computers to accomplish the generation of a new record-set over time.

The bitcoin algorithms adjust this factor in order to require enough ersatz 
work so that the heartbeat of the system pulses (produces a block) 
approximately every ten minutes… and they scale the computational complexity 
accordingly via input from bitcoin’s own daily developmental activity.

By crossing an invented computational abyss, millions of computers and other 
machines, many of which have been secretly compromised by hacks, are working 
full tilt, around the clock… to simply generate a deeper abyss requiring 
ever-more powerful and numerous computers to cross. And this generates ‘blocks’ 
in an economy of numbers in machines. These numbers are not exactly money, and 
their actual value is more complex than cash. And the machines must be 
serviced, cooled, attended and backed-up, as must the results of their nearly 
useless hyperactivity.

Most participants are using machines specially designed to resolve these 
invented computational targets, and as we make faster computers to do this, the 
network amplifies the difficulty to throttle the pulse.

What is all this about? Well, it’s not a simple question.

Let’s start with money.

What Is Money?

To understand money, one must begin to understand its sources. Perhaps the most 
fundamental of such introductions is the direct and fascinated observation of 
animals in nature. The origins of money (and memory) are in nature; exploring 
them has profound implications for own developing creativity and intelligence.

Beavers, squirrels and other small creatures, including the incredibly 
inventive corvids, store food (and sometimes treasures) in hiding places we 
call caches. Some predators may also cache food briefly (meat tends to go bad 
or get eaten by other creatures who can sense its presence). So, too, ants, 
wasps, bees and other social insects. This is actually a mode of living memory.

Notice the homonomy here? Cache and cash are the same sound, and this isn’t 
accidental. Direct relation with nature as and through living places is the 
original source of our concepts of value. Our relationships with 
environmentally accessible resources and caching are not merely the beginning 
of our monetary systems, they are the probable origin point of the peculiar 
forms of memory and cognition that are the hallmark of our species.

We carefully cache and value our dead. And money is an abstraction of dead 
people, places, and moments.

Our kind of mind was born in forests and places fraught with elaborate 
relational constellations of biodiversity and symbiotic intelligence. Alas, the 
nominal treasure we acquired there went haywire, and now we have nearly wiped 
those places off the map and erased them from our experience. What was their 
replacement?

Money (and machines). A representation of cached value, extensible to nearly 
any common domain of exchange.

There are no living places anymore. We do not encounter or create value… we get 
cash. Most of the time… that means that someone, or some ecology somewhere, is 
being wiped out. The results are representational forms of wealth and power.

We don’t have ancient forests any more, and the futures they portended are 
gone. What there are, are sheets of paper, ingots of gold, diamonds, and little 
banks of numbers… in machines. On balance sheets.

***

Numeric Supremacy

Numbers. We keep track of them. Too often they become lethal fictions with 
which ‘we’ (ostensibly: our societies and their systems) determine who lives 
and who dies. Who is wealthy and who bereft. Everyone is identified by and for 
the sake of numbers. We imagine these numbers to be true, just, inviolable. But 
we do not really understand the valuations or applications we celebrate and 
avow as real; there are always many aspects of value with crucial bearing on 
any analysis that we leave out of our accounting. Living beings, for 

Re: Digital Gold: Bitcoin and the Inside Story of the Misfits and Millionaires Trying to Reinvent Money

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 Original message From: grarpamp  Date: 
12/17/17  12:28 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpu...@cpunks.org Subject: Digital 
Gold: Bitcoin and the Inside Story of the Misfits and
  Millionaires Trying to Reinvent Money 
Hardcover: 416 pages
Publisher: Harper; 1St Edition edition (May 19, 2015)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0062362496
ISBN-13: 978-0062362490

> Bitcoin, the landmark digital money and financial technology, has spawned a 
> global social movement with utopian ambitions... 

Every word that follows informs us there's nothing utopian about the scumbags 
trading btc AT ALL. Unless one measures "utopia" in physical wealth ... which 
would not be a definition found in any dictionary or other place where Utopia 
is discussed.
Ps Banking trojans sneak into Google Play again. Hahaha! It screws btc 
gamblers! Good on em. 
https://t.co/IJVSkiwUIy https://t.co/kMV5daMixO
Rr

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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Ennio was confused. 
 Original message From: Did You Know  Date: 
12/16/17  12:28 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org, 
catskillmar...@gmail.com Subject: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 
> Marina Brown catskillmarina at gmail.com
> Wed Dec 13 20:09:38 PST 2017
>
> nazi
>

By "nazi" she means Europeans who vote against their own interests.

> block [them]
>

By "block" she means "add to the gas list".

"There are two kinds of fascists:
fascists and anti-fascists."
- Ennio Flaiano

Fwd: Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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Common internet troll. To the junkfile with you bye
Rr
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Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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Welp. Your hatred of 'jooKkkristians' feeds the ovens, stupid.
Rt
 Original message From: juan  Date: 
12/15/17  11:36 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cp  Subject: Re: 
Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 
On Fri, 15 Dec 2017 13:34:14 -0500
John Newman  wrote:

> 
> 
> I have no reply to this. 

I know =)

> You just made all my points, 

you don't have any points =) 

> and
> your confused views, clear - or as clear as this line of 
> thought would ever go. And to answer your one cogent
> question: of course American atrocities are fucking 
> horrible. How that makes Nazi atrocities acceptable is
> beyond me (unless you hate "joos").


did I say nazi atrocities were acceptable? I don't think I
said it nor implied. So what the are you talking about? 


> 
> 
> Cheers (and merry "KKKristmas"!)

thank you - you surely are filled with kkkristian love these
days  =)



> John
> 
> On December 15, 2017 12:05:28 PM EST, juan  wrote:
> >On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 22:01:50 -0500
> >John Newman  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> >  sorry no - for starters the concept of race is bullshit,
> >> >  but if you are going to use it in an informal way, then
> >> >  blacks, asians and whites would roughly belong to
> >> >  'races'  - joos are just a mix of arabs ('semites')  and
> >> >  europeans, so not a race 
> >> >
> >> >  but since you believe there is a jewish (master) race
> >> >  maybe you are a bit of a racist? 
> >> >  
> >> >
> >> 
> >> No, you believe it, or you wouldn't throw it around as an 
> >> insult to people who are Jewish only by birth -
> >
> >
> > what about you reread what you wrote and my reply? YOU
> > stated theres a joo race. I explained why that's nonsense. 
> >
> > I certainly use joo as an insult to assholes who consider
> > themseleves jewish. Again, that is not racism. It's exactly
> > the same thing as referring to americans as americunts. But
> > maybe you believe americans are a race too? 
> >
> >
> >> they have
> >> Jewish parents. People who have no theology whatsoever.
> > 
> >
> > joodaism is not just a religion - it is a tribalistic 
> > anti-culture. A form of nationalism with good doses of
> > theocracy and racism of course, but being an explicit
> > religious nutcase is not required. Take a look at the alan
> > greenscum-bin bernanke-yellen cunt-goldman sachs team for
> > instance. 
> >
> >
> > 
> >> 
> >> Even non practicing Jews? Like Razer, who is Jewish only
> >> in the sense that he had Jewish parents? 
> >
> > the moment rayzer starts denouncing judaism as a fucking
> > fraud he'll earn some deserved respect. Meanwhile you can
> > check the archives for his comments on joo 'sacred texts'.
> >
> >
> >
> >> 
> >> You think the Nazis gave a fuck whether a Jew practiced
> >> the Jewish religion or not? Answer: they did not, just as you seem
> >> to not give a fuck. Or maybe you side with Zzzz and think the
> >> Holocaust is a big myth from the "joooish overlords"?
> >
> > ah yes the holocaust. Killing jews  was so different from
> > burning millions of people alive using phosphorus and atomic
> > bombs like you anglo-americunt nazis did. 
> >
> > by the way, are you aware that jews fought on the
> > german-austrian side on WWI? You know, the germans and
> > austrians were the nazis, except they haven't got that name
> > yet. 
> >
> > 
> >
> >> 
> >> I'm sorry but trying to frame your constant stream of vitriol
> >> about Jews around their theology does not fly. It's
> >> bullshit.  
> >
> >
> > except I didn't say it's just theology, bah, 'theology' -
> > lunatic voodooo is a better term for it. 
> >
> >
> >
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >  I think in a few days there's going to be some ritual
> >> >  voodoo ceremony  where joo jesus cock get sucked -
> >> >  kkkristmas or somethin
> >> 
> >> Haha :) Happy hannukah lol.
> >
> >
> > yeah not really that funny though. Just in case it's not
> > clear enough, fucking kkkristianity is partially just a
> > jewish sect. Jews were involved in its 'foundation' and a
> > good deal of kkkristian garbage is jew garbage - but maybe
> > you can complain about "racism againt poor oppressed
> > christians" too? 

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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 Original garbage from 
juan  Date: 12/15/17  9:05 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cp 
 Subject: Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 
  [Redacted]

I know Aryan nation scumbags who would agree with that. Keep digging that hole 
guy.

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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 Original message From: John Newman  Date: 
12/14/17  7:01 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org, juan 
, cp  Subject: Re: Bitcoin... 
Destroying the planet 


On December 14, 2017 9:47:59 PM EST, juan  wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Dec 2017 21:20:04 -0500
>John Newman  wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> On December 14, 2017 7:15:42 PM EST, juan  wrote:
>> >On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 22:01:50 -0500
>> >John Newman  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> 
>> >> What’s the point in calling Razer a “joo”? He doesn’t call you a
>> >> beaner. Is he even a practicing Jew? Does it even matter (answer
>is
>> >> no)? It’s such a lazy, inarticulate expression, it makes you sound
>> >> exactly like racist trash.
>> >
>> >
>> >too bad there's no joo race - joodaism is a theocratic
>> >tribalist anti-culture. 
>> >
>> >though of course joos themselves are racist assholes who
>> >regard themselves as god's chosen master race. 
>> 
>> ROFL. As surely as there is any race, there is a Jewish one..
>> as of course you are aware.
>
>   sorry no - for starters the concept of race is bullshit, but if
>   you are going to use it in an informal way, then blacks, asians
>   and whites would roughly belong to 'races'  - joos are just a
>   mix of arabs ('semites')  and europeans, so not a race 
>
>   but since you believe there is a jewish (master) race maybe
>   you are a bit of a racist? 
>   
>

No, you believe it, or you wouldn't throw it around as an 
insult to people who are Jewish only by birth - they have
Jewish parents. People who have no theology whatsoever.


>
>> 
>> Anyway, now I "get it". It's just funny seeing someone
>> throw around the insult Jew and Nazi in the same sentence /
>
>   why? joo culture is totalitarian garbage, like nazi culture. No
>   wonder the joos do so well in amerika. 
>
>
>> paragraph / email over and over..  
>
>   yeah just like you can see judeo-fascist propaganda  about poor
>   opprsesed jews, how great the jews are, ad nauseam. 
>
>
>> Hilarious little cop-out but
>> whatever, I don't even fucking care. This is so beyond anyone giving
>> a shit I wish I hadn't mentioned your little hypocrisy.
>
>   no problem - I don't think there's any hypocrizy and fuck the
>   jews and their fucking theocracy upon which  Free Democratic
>   Judeo-Christian Civilization is Founded.
>   

Even non practicing Jews? Like Razer, who is Jewish only
in the sense that he had Jewish parents? 

You think the Nazis gave a fuck whether a Jew practiced
the Jewish religion or not? Answer: they did not, just as you seem to not give 
a fuck. Or maybe you side with Zzzz
and think the Holocaust is a big myth from the "joooish 
overlords"?

I'm sorry but trying to frame your constant stream of vitriol
about Jews around their theology does not fly. It's
bullshit.  


>   I think in a few days there's going to be some ritual voodoo
>   ceremony  where joo jesus cock get sucked - kkkristmas or
>   somethin

>> Haha :) Happy hannukah lol.

So juan's a Nazi. No surprise there. Only a Nazi or someone whose seriously 
deranged could spew that kind of vitriol.
Ps. Today in Palestine: 
https://twitter.com/AuntieImperial/status/941706638871769089 
Rr

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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 Original message From: George Larson 
<george.g.lar...@gmail.com> Date: 12/11/17  7:45 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: g2s 
<g...@riseup.net> Cc: Michael Nelson <nelson_mi...@yahoo.com>, 
cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 
> bitcoin generates huge amounts of pollution due to its electric demands
"The physical money we use today requires a total of 11 terawatt-hours per year 
to produce. Gold mining, another very labor-intensive process, requires as much 
as 132 terawatt-hours. These numbers make Bitcoin and its 8.27 terawatt-hours 
look like a science fair project."
https://themerkle.com/bitcoin-networks-electricity-consumption-is-lower-compared-to-printing-money/

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 10:31 PM, g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:

 Original message From: Michael Nelson <nelson_mi...@yahoo.com> 
Date: 12/8/17  6:22 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: 
Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 
> The mapping between Bitcoin and energy is missing the point...
Not if the point is a dead planet.
That's ALL I care about. Cars, which you mention, are another much thornier 
issue because they've been made a social necessity and that will take time to 
undo. As with another not often acknowledged source of carbon based pollution 
due to humans... The factories that make damn near everything consumer 
industrial societies have.
But unlike those things, bitcoin generates huge amounts of pollution due to its 
electric demands, and, bluntly, it isn't necessary in any way shape or form.
Rr

You're forgetting how to add. As in added electrical demand and concurrent 
pollution in the here and now. Furthermore, we learn in Sociology 1 that as 
dirty as primitive societies are about their energy use, they use the energy 
MUCH more efficiently, and I suggest that applies to any "improvement" in 
currency as well. Scaled, btc will be less efficient in its use of energy 
leading to "dead planet". To clarify that... dead as far as human survival.
Rr

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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 Original message From: Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> Date: 
12/10/17  9:33 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: 
Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 
On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 7:10 PM, g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
>
>  Original message 
> From: Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com>
> Date: 12/9/17 2:50 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet
>
> On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 2:24 PM, z9wahqvh <z9wah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 9:22 PM, Michael Nelson <nelson_mi...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The mapping between Bitcoin and energy is missing the point, from the
>>> point of view of understanding the system. The correct mapping is between
>>> Bitcoin and the *price* of energy.
>>>
>>> If electricity were 10 times as expensive, Bitcoin mining use of electric
>>> power would drop by a factor of 10 (for a given BTC price). The point of
>>> spending money on mining is to be competitive. The absolute amount of
>>> power
>>> is irrelevant.
>>>
>>> This means that if governments raised the price of electricity, or
>>> resources used for generating it, then BTC would never be a problem. Not
>>> trivial to do, admittedly, but the point here is to understand the
>>> system.
>>
>>
>> it has nothing to do with the price of energy. the price of energy is
>> never
>> mentioned in the analyses that worry about Bitcoin's energy use, and for
>> good reason.
>>
>> the problem with Bitcoin is that it uses an enormous QUANTITY of energy to
>> verify each new transaction. That amount has nothing to do with the price
>> of
>> energy. It is a quantity of energy, measured in kilowatt hours or whatever
>> quantity you want (they currently use "TeraWatt hours," because it uses
>> that
>> much). It takes a certain amount of coal or oil or solar power to generate
>> those kilowatt hours, and the number is rising steeply:
>>
>> https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption
>>
>> There is no mention of price in the equations that produce this analysis,
>> nor should there be.
>>
>> IF coal and oil did not pollute and we had infinite free energy, this
>> would
>> not be a problem. But they do, and we don't, and it is, and it's getting
>> worse.
>
> You gloss over the fact that if coal and oil didn't pollute, and we
> had infinite free energy, bitcoin would be (relatively)
> [use|worth]less, and we'd not have to worry about most any shortage at
> all.
>
> Michael drew the correct conclusion.
>
> Bitcoin is produced in relation to other economic goods, and under the
> constraints of the costs of energy and computer infrastructure. If
> those costs go up, production of bitcoin goes does, and if other
> economic goods become more valuable relative to bitcoin, then again
> production of bitcoin goes down.
>
> Kurt
>
> A total evasion of the point. Point being Dead planet" sooner than later.
>
> Rr

You don't define what you mean by "kill the planet", nor "dead
planet", but not even if every country launched all of their nuclear
weapons at once could we kill the planet. It's not even certain such
an event would kill all humans.

At this stage in our technology, we simply can't do it.

Kurt
It's a waste of bandwidth and my time  to discuss this with you. Go drive your 
two cars around for a while. Maybe on the LA Freeway while it's surrounded by 
fire. 
Rr
Ps. My 65 Travelall could literally crush your pretty little piece of tin up 
against the 405's guardrails and drive away with barely a scratch. You might 
consider Viagra to get your dick up instead.
Rr

Re: What is consensus?

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 Original message From: Georgi Guninski <gunin...@guninski.com> 
Date: 12/10/17  8:02 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: 
Re: What is consensus? 
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 07:42:02AM -0800, g2s wrote:
> Consensus is defined as agreement. Voting is one process to (hopefully) reach 
> it.
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consensus


lol
"If voting could change things, it would have been outlawed." -- anon

Just check what fucks were elected by voting all over the world.

I was NOT making an argument that voting works to change anything systematic in 
media driven indoctrinated societies. I was simply defining the word... further 
consensus Agreement doesn't always work either, but if the "block" is honored 
it slows down the process and has potential for correcting mistakes that may be 
harder to repair after the fact.
Rr

Re: What is consensus?

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Consensus is defined as agreement. Voting is one process to (hopefully) reach 
it.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consensus
Rr
 Original message From: Edward Low  Date: 
12/10/17  3:40 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: 
What is consensus? 

So there is clearly a difference between what some understand as
  consensus (voting) and others understand as consensus (everybody
  agree with no voting).
Votation should only be the last option if everybody can not
  agree on the same decission, but consensus should try to avoid
  votations as much as possible, IMHO





El 09/12/17 a las 10:15, Green Peas
  escribió:


>
Mirimir mirimir at riceup.net

> Fri Dec 8 10:37:04 PST 2017

> 



> And you're full of shit, sir ;)

> 



Yet you provide no reason.



> Ask any Quaker

> 



Your appeal to authority is logical fallacy.

Try again, good sir.

  



-- 
Edward Low
edward...@riseup.net
Libertalia (Madagascar)
  

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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 Original message From: Kurt Buff  Date: 
12/9/17  2:50 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: 
Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 
On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 2:24 PM, z9wahqvh  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 9:22 PM, Michael Nelson 
> wrote:
>>
>> The mapping between Bitcoin and energy is missing the point, from the
>> point of view of understanding the system. The correct mapping is between
>> Bitcoin and the *price* of energy.
>>
>> If electricity were 10 times as expensive, Bitcoin mining use of electric
>> power would drop by a factor of 10 (for a given BTC price). The point of
>> spending money on mining is to be competitive. The absolute amount of power
>> is irrelevant.
>>
>> This means that if governments raised the price of electricity, or
>> resources used for generating it, then BTC would never be a problem. Not
>> trivial to do, admittedly, but the point here is to understand the system.
>
>
> it has nothing to do with the price of energy. the price of energy is never
> mentioned in the analyses that worry about Bitcoin's energy use, and for
> good reason.
>
> the problem with Bitcoin is that it uses an enormous QUANTITY of energy to
> verify each new transaction. That amount has nothing to do with the price of
> energy. It is a quantity of energy, measured in kilowatt hours or whatever
> quantity you want (they currently use "TeraWatt hours," because it uses that
> much). It takes a certain amount of coal or oil or solar power to generate
> those kilowatt hours, and the number is rising steeply:
>
> https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption
>
> There is no mention of price in the equations that produce this analysis,
> nor should there be.
>
> IF coal and oil did not pollute and we had infinite free energy, this would
> not be a problem. But they do, and we don't, and it is, and it's getting
> worse.

You gloss over the fact that if coal and oil didn't pollute, and we
had infinite free energy, bitcoin would be (relatively)
[use|worth]less, and we'd not have to worry about most any shortage at
all.

Michael drew the correct conclusion.

Bitcoin is produced in relation to other economic goods, and under the
constraints of the costs of energy and computer infrastructure. If
those costs go up, production of bitcoin goes does, and if other
economic goods become more valuable relative to bitcoin, then again
production of bitcoin goes down.

Kurt

A total evasion of the point. Point being Dead planet" sooner than later.
Rr

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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 Original message From: Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> Date: 
12/9/17  11:37 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: 
Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 
On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 7:24 AM, g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
>  Original message 
> From: Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com>
> Date: 12/8/17 8:42 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet
>
> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 7:31 PM, g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
> >
> >  Original message 
> > From: Michael Nelson <nelson_mi...@yahoo.com>
> > Date: 12/8/17 6:22 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
> > Subject: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet
> >
> >> The mapping between Bitcoin and energy is missing the point...
> >
> > Not if the point is a dead planet.
> >
> > That's ALL I care about. Cars, which you mention, are another much thornier
> > issue because they've been made a social necessity and that will take time
> > to undo. As with another not often acknowledged source of carbon based
> > pollution due to humans... The factories that make damn near everything
> > consumer industrial societies have.
> >
> > But unlike those things, bitcoin generates huge amounts of pollution due to
> > its electric demands, and, bluntly, it isn't necessary in any way shape or
> > form.
>
>
> Neither are coffee, tea, chocolate, sugar, sex and any number of other
> things that offend the sensibilities of the overly sensitive, and they
> aren't likely to disappear either...
>
> Kurt
>
> You denigrate your point by stating sex isn't necessary. Ropes whips and ioT 
> glow in the dark vibrators aren't, but sex is as necessary to the survival of 
> humans as sleep is.
>
> Rr

> Artificial insemination
sik fuk

> And I find that most who decry the use of "unnecessary things' by
others
You think I include myself out? Really?
Hahahaha!

 > because of the danger to the planet, also tend to be against
perpetuation of the species anyway.
Tell you what. Save evolution the work. Extinct yourself now... 

Rr

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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 Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date: 12/9/17 
 8:13 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Bitcoin... 
Destroying the planet 
On Fri, 08 Dec 2017 19:31:27 -0800
g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:

> 
>  Original message From: Michael Nelson
> <nelson_mi...@yahoo.com> Date: 12/8/17  6:22 PM  (GMT-08:00) To:
> cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Bitcoin... Destroying the
> planet 
> > The mapping between Bitcoin and energy is missing the point...
> Not if the point is a dead planet.
> That's ALL I care about. Cars, which you mention, are another much
> thornier issue because they've been made a social necessity 


>>  ahh the piece of fascist joo shit rayzer is actually a ford motors inc. 
>>shill 


You quite obviously didn't read what I wrote or have a severely 
intellectually-challenged mind.
Or both. Both.
Rr

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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 Original message From: Green Peas <drgreenst...@hushmail.com> 
Date: 12/9/17  1:16 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org, 
g...@riseup.net Subject: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 
> g2s g2s at riseup.net
> Fri Dec 8 19:31:27 PST 2017
> 

> dead planet
> "muh global warming"
> 

You can't kill the planet.
The planet kills us.
Point made.

> carbon based pollution
> 

You stupid motherfucker.
Trees breath carbon dioxide and filter out the carbon.  Increases in carbon gas 
emission increase the health and number of plant life on the "planet".
What trees? You mean the ones they made your ticky tacky 
lasts-50-years-before-it-comes-apart wood frame house? The planet has been 
denuded of a HUGE amount of its resources and species... since the industrial 
"revolution".

> due to humans
> 

The greatest "greenhouse gas" is water vapor.

I thought it was cow farts.
Is that you Ronnie Ragging?
Did you know ~60% of the Antarctic melts and re freezes every year?
Ever heard of the Younger Dryas?
Or ice/ocean/soil core samples?

All this disproves your shekel grabbing scheme's premise that humans, and their 
pesky cars, are "killing the planet" with CO2 (“muh breath”).

In Rayzer's future, if you want exercise more and live a more healthful life, 
"that'll be more cryptoshekels, sir".

> bitcoin generates huge amounts of pollution
> due to its electric demands
> 

Show how or GTFO.

Bye troll.

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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 Original message From: Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> Date: 
12/8/17  8:42 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: 
Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 
On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 7:31 PM, g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
>
>  Original message 
> From: Michael Nelson <nelson_mi...@yahoo.com>
> Date: 12/8/17 6:22 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
> Subject: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet
>
>> The mapping between Bitcoin and energy is missing the point...
>
> Not if the point is a dead planet.
>
> That's ALL I care about. Cars, which you mention, are another much thornier
> issue because they've been made a social necessity and that will take time
> to undo. As with another not often acknowledged source of carbon based
> pollution due to humans... The factories that make damn near everything
> consumer industrial societies have.
>
> But unlike those things, bitcoin generates huge amounts of pollution due to
> its electric demands, and, bluntly, it isn't necessary in any way shape or
> form.


Neither are coffee, tea, chocolate, sugar, sex and any number of other
things that offend the sensibilities of the overly sensitive, and they
aren't likely to disappear either...

Kurt

You denigrate your point by stating sex isn't necessary. Ropes whips and ioT 
glow in the dark vibrators aren't, but sex is as necessary to the survival of 
humans as sleep is.
Rr

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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 Original message From: Michael Nelson  
Date: 12/8/17  6:22 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: 
Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 
> The mapping between Bitcoin and energy is missing the point...
Not if the point is a dead planet.
That's ALL I care about. Cars, which you mention, are another much thornier 
issue because they've been made a social necessity and that will take time to 
undo. As with another not often acknowledged source of carbon based pollution 
due to humans... The factories that make damn near everything consumer 
industrial societies have.
But unlike those things, bitcoin generates huge amounts of pollution due to its 
electric demands, and, bluntly, it isn't necessary in any way shape or form.
Rr

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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Ps. https://twitter.com/vexmark/status/938780120990568448


 Original message From: g2s <g...@riseup.net> Date: 12/8/17  
3:12 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Cc: cypherpunks 
<cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org> Subject: Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 

 Original message From: Steven Schear <schear.st...@gmail.com> 
Date: 12/8/17  10:49 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: juan <juan@gmail.com> Cc: 
cypherpunks <cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org> Subject: Re: Bitcoin... Destroying 
the planet 
In #meetoo fashion the flippening is going to happen this week when drudge news 
shows a bitcoin core developer get accused of grabbing an interns breast, and 
everyone dumps BTC.

+1.
Rr
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:45 PM, juan <juan@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 16:12:41 -0800

Steven Schear <schear.st...@gmail.com> wrote:





> Bitcoin Cash is up to 8 times more energy efficient and Bitcoin

> Unlimited blockchains could be >> efficient yet.





        So Steve you were talking about some sort of "flipping" or

        something a while back? How's that going?



        right now bitcoin is at $18000* while bcash is $1300





        *stupid bubble of course.








-- 
Creator of the Warrant Canary and the Street Performer Protocol. Wi-Fi standard 
spec. creation participant and co-developer of eCache. Director at MojoNation 
and Cylink. Founding member of IFCA and GNU Radio. Currently, VP of 
BusinessTechnology at Stashcrypto.com

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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 Original message From: Steven Schear  
Date: 12/8/17  10:49 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: juan  Cc: 
cypherpunks  Subject: Re: Bitcoin... Destroying 
the planet 
In #meetoo fashion the flippening is going to happen this week when drudge news 
shows a bitcoin core developer get accused of grabbing an interns breast, and 
everyone dumps BTC.

+1.
Rr
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:45 PM, juan  wrote:
On Thu, 7 Dec 2017 16:12:41 -0800

Steven Schear  wrote:





> Bitcoin Cash is up to 8 times more energy efficient and Bitcoin

> Unlimited blockchains could be >> efficient yet.





        So Steve you were talking about some sort of "flipping" or

        something a while back? How's that going?



        right now bitcoin is at $18000* while bcash is $1300





        *stupid bubble of course.








-- 
Creator of the Warrant Canary and the Street Performer Protocol. Wi-Fi standard 
spec. creation participant and co-developer of eCache. Director at MojoNation 
and Cylink. Founding member of IFCA and GNU Radio. Currently, VP of 
BusinessTechnology at Stashcrypto.com

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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Scumbag wrote

> Do you even know what that means? 
Yep. I also know it matters no fucks if you measured it in Joules... scumbag.
Rr

> 
>   we are still waiting for you to show that you able to
> calculate Blah blah... From that ars technical link

> However, we can make some educated guesses. For starters, we know the
> industry's revenue: Bitcoin miners currently generate 75 bitcoins per
> hour, which, at the current price of around $12,500 per bitcoin,
> translates to $937,500 per hour, or more than $8 billion per year.


hey stupid piece of joo shit, you still don't understand the
very basics of what you are supposed to calculate? you keep
copy pasting irrelevant shit? 
 
you are supposed to give an estimate of energy usage. Watts per
hour. Do you even know what that means? 





> 
> Moreover, the industry is highly competitive, and electricity is one
> of its biggest costs. So when the price of bitcoins rises, we can
> expect miners to spend more and more on electricity until electricity
> costs are roughly on par with revenues.
> 
> This is the methodology the Digiconomist (link... use it scumbag.)
> website uses to estimate the Bitcoin network's energy consumption. It
> assumes that the industry will spend 60 percent of its revenue on
> electricity and then extrapolates from the current bitcoin price and
> prevailing electricity prices. It finds that the network is consuming
> energy at an annual rate of 32TWh.
> 
> It also assumes that the network takes time to adjust to big price
> increases like we've seen in recent days. This means that, if Bitcoin
> stays above $12,000, we can expect this figure to rise further in the
> coming weeks." Rr
> 

Re: What is consensus?

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 Original message From: Edward Low  Date: 
12/7/17  5:03 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: What is 
consensus? 
There is a question I would like to send to the list and get some feedback.

As far as I was told, consensus is a way to reach a decision without the
need of voting, so there is no majority nor minority, no one can impose
their ways even if they are majority so no lobby and no forcing.
Clearly, education is needed for that, so everyone understands the need
of giving up a little bit in order to make it work for the common project.

Lately I've been seeing consensus described as voting system, with
majorities and minorities. My english is short, so maybe there is a word
to describe consensus as a no-voting system to reach a common solution?

Thanks

E. Low

-- 
Edward Low
edward...@riseup.net
Libertalia (Madagascar)

Consensus implies everyone agrees. Using OccupyWallStreet as example of how it 
fails when there isn't some sort of at least general agreement, the the BLOCK 
in the consensus system they used was based on Spanish anarchist unions who 
were in general avreement on a goal, and a block STOPPED the process until 
whatever issue the blockung party brought up was resolved.

At Occupy there were so many political interests represented that the BLOCK, it 
was felt, was being used to disrupt, and it was modified to basically mean you 
were voting yourself out of the process unless you withdrew the block...
Which turned the process into mob democracy where the largest faction won in 
spite of problems perceived by people blocking, and OFC, the largest factions 
were typically scumbag prog-libs.
Rr

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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 Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date: 12/7/17 
 5:08 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: g2s <g...@riseup.net> Subject: Re: Bitcoin... 
Destroying the planet 
On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 16:58:22 -0800
g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:

> 
> The scumbag said


we are still waiting for you to show that you able to calculate Blah 
blah...
From that ars technical link
However, we can make some educated guesses. For starters, we know the 
industry's revenue: Bitcoin miners currently generate 75 bitcoins per hour, 
which, at the current price of around $12,500 per bitcoin, translates to 
$937,500 per hour, or more than $8 billion per year.

Moreover, the industry is highly competitive, and electricity is one of its 
biggest costs. So when the price of bitcoins rises, we can expect miners to 
spend more and more on electricity until electricity costs are roughly on par 
with revenues.

This is the methodology the Digiconomist (link... use it scumbag.) website uses 
to estimate the Bitcoin network's energy consumption. It assumes that the 
industry will spend 60 percent of its revenue on electricity and then 
extrapolates from the current bitcoin price and prevailing electricity prices. 
It finds that the network is consuming energy at an annual rate of 32TWh.

It also assumes that the network takes time to adjust to big price increases 
like we've seen in recent days. This means that, if Bitcoin stays above 
$12,000, we can expect this figure to rise further in the coming weeks."
Rr

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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From offlist. I REALLY WISH the server admin would mask source addresses of 
posters.
 Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date: 12/7/17 
 5:08 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: g2s <g...@riseup.net> Subject: Re: Bitcoin... 
Destroying the planet 
On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 16:58:22 -0800
g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:

> 
> The scumbag said


we are still waiting for you to show that you able to calculate
how much energy is used instead of posting click bait garbage 

what's the problem? You don't know basic arithmetic? 


https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/bitcoins-insane-energy-consumption-explained/
Rr

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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The scumbag said
On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 16:19:23 -0800
g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:

> I dont see where this is a rumor.


...because estimating how much energy is being used in hashing
is rather easy. 

so posting completely unsourced garbage like rayzer does is
beyond pathetic...


https://grist.org/article/bitcoin-could-cost-us-our-clean-energy-future/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

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Department of Irony
Libertarians hate fiat money but love the idea of a currency whose value is 
linked to consuming as much energy as a European nation state
https://twitter.com/IronyDept/status/938928573368299521
Rr
 Original message From: g2s <g...@riseup.net> Date: 12/7/17  
4:19 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: Edward Low <edward...@riseup.net>, 
cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 
I dont see where this is a rumor.
Rr
 Original message From: Edward Low <edward...@riseup.net> Date: 
12/7/17  4:16 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: 
Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 

This Denmark-energy rumour comes from this article, if i'm not
  wrong:

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/aek3za/bitcoin-could-consume-as-much-electricity-as-denmark-by-2020
P.D: Leave out
  fights-promotion-BTC-core-segwit-cash-gold-unlimited-bla-bla-bla
  from the list please...


El 08/12/17 a las 01:12, Steven Schear
  escribió:



  The Bitcoin Core mining can remain profitable
using up to at least 24 TWh annually. That said, as the periodic
halvings reduce awards the fees, which are already to high to
make it useful for commerce, may soon make it problematic for
investment.



Bitcoin Cash is up to 8 times more energy
  efficient and Bitcoin Unlimited blockchains could be >>
  efficient yet.
  
  

On Dec 7, 2017 12:05 PM, "g2s" <g...@riseup.net>
  wrote:

  
Bitcoin. A gambling game only a
capitalist scumbag would play. Tim May was wrong. Btc
IS NOT the future. It's a dead end leading to a dead
planet.
  

  The bitcoin computer network currently uses as much
  electricity as Denmark. In 18 months, it will use as
  much as the entire United States.
  


  
https://grist.org/article/bitcoin-could-cost-us-our-clean-energy-future/amp/
  


  Rr

  



  



  

Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

[g2s]

I dont see where this is a rumor.
Rr
 Original message From: Edward Low <edward...@riseup.net> Date: 
12/7/17  4:16 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: 
Bitcoin... Destroying the planet 

This Denmark-energy rumour comes from this article, if i'm not
  wrong:

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/aek3za/bitcoin-could-consume-as-much-electricity-as-denmark-by-2020
P.D: Leave out
  fights-promotion-BTC-core-segwit-cash-gold-unlimited-bla-bla-bla
  from the list please...


El 08/12/17 a las 01:12, Steven Schear
  escribió:



  The Bitcoin Core mining can remain profitable
using up to at least 24 TWh annually. That said, as the periodic
halvings reduce awards the fees, which are already to high to
make it useful for commerce, may soon make it problematic for
investment.



Bitcoin Cash is up to 8 times more energy
  efficient and Bitcoin Unlimited blockchains could be >>
  efficient yet.
  
  

On Dec 7, 2017 12:05 PM, "g2s" <g...@riseup.net>
  wrote:

  
Bitcoin. A gambling game only a
capitalist scumbag would play. Tim May was wrong. Btc
IS NOT the future. It's a dead end leading to a dead
planet.
  

  The bitcoin computer network currently uses as much
  electricity as Denmark. In 18 months, it will use as
  much as the entire United States.
  


  
https://grist.org/article/bitcoin-could-cost-us-our-clean-energy-future/amp/
  


  Rr

  



  



  

Bitcoin... Destroying the planet

[g2s]

Bitcoin. A gambling game only a capitalist scumbag would play. Tim May was 
wrong. Btc IS NOT the future. It's a dead end leading to a dead planet.
The bitcoin computer network currently uses as much electricity as Denmark. In 
18 months, it will use as much as the entire United States.
https://grist.org/article/bitcoin-could-cost-us-our-clean-energy-future/amp/
Rr

Re: Magic Money: The Bitcoin Revolution (Documentary)

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 Original message From: juan <juan@gmail.com> Date: 12/2/17 
 9:12 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Magic 
Money: The Bitcoin Revolution (Documentary) 
On Sat, 02 Dec 2017 07:58:24 -0800
g2s <g...@riseup.net> wrote:

> As i was saying. Youre just another gambling scumbag capitalist who
> apparently doeant know what the word "currency" means.

>> right, bitcoin isn't much of a currency yet cause it's not
widely accepted. 
It never will be as long as its a gambling casino. Do you ever think it will 
stabilize enough as long as libertard scumbags and the scumbag coders who were 
responsible for flash trading indexes of derivatives of futures can make bank 
on it in REAL CURRENCY? ROTF no. Not ever. People like Bell and co have the 
ethics of fleas, and other parasites. Something i suspect TimMay got out of the 
industry too early to see.  And besides the league he was playing in was much 
different than 99.9% of people in the industry today. That .1% is still there, 
but they tend not to be gamblers. Their minds are doing other sorts of 
calculations.

> Bitcoin and
> the like are OBVIOUSLY a Pyramid Scam brought to you by the same
> Flash Trading ethics that destroyed your markets and economies..

>> that's a half truch. At least some people buy bitcoins because
of its good properties while other people buy just because they
are greedy, brain dead gamblers.
As long as the gamblers outnumber the people who would like it to be a stable 
currency the situation remains.

>> although bitcoin is a form of 'fiat currency' it has more
legitimate value than the competing garbage money produced by
government

Legitimate value of a poker chip without anything tangible backing it. Not even 
a casino whose property you can sue to take a piece of, or a one-arm bandit as 
payoff to put in your den.

Rr

> GoldmanSachs and their scumbag financial friends PWN U Or for all I
> know, you work for them and thats why You're peddling their snake
> oil. Rr