Re: Planning for 12.6/11.10

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 01:07:17PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The final bullseye point release 11.10 (and therefore also 12.6 for
> versioning) should be soon after 10th June, when security team support
> will end.
> 
> Please indicate availability for:
> 
>   Saturday 15th June
>   Saturday 22nd June
>   Saturday 29th June
> 

I should be able to do any of these three at the moment.

Andy Cater
[amaca...@debian.org]

> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan Wiltshire  j...@debian.org
> Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw
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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 05:41:13PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 10:58:41PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > Hiya!
> > 
> > Not wanting to pester *too* much, but where are we up to?
> > 
> 
> Right now I can still have 27th April on the cards but we're missing FTP and
> press. It's next week, we'd have to know this weekend and get frozen.
> Mark indicated "maybe" and no answer from press.
> 
> If that date works please reply urgently otherwise we're looking into May
> and possibly just skipping to line up with the final bullseye anyway.
> 

Works for me: it's possible I won't get across to Cambridge but help with image 
release here 

Andy

amaca...@debian.org
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan Wiltshire  j...@debian.org
> Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw
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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 01:07:27PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As we had to postpone 12.6, let's look at alternative dates.
> 

Can do all, I think,

Andy
(amaca...@debian.org)
> 
> Adam
> 

Re: Planning for 12.6

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 06:04:17PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 12.6 should be around 10th April, so please indicate availability for:
> 
> 7  April
> 13 April
> 20 April
> 
> Thanks,
> 

Should be available for all these

Andy

> -- 
> Jonathan Wiltshire  j...@debian.org
> Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw
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Re: Automatically seeding Debian torrents

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 09:19:01PM -0600, c...@sdf.org wrote:
> Hi Debian,
> 
> I have a home server set up to fetch the RSS feed of another distro's ISO
> torrents for the purpose of automatically seeding them. I would like to do
> the
> same with Debian torrents, but haven't found an RSS feed and am unsure if
> there's another method I'm overlooking. I would appreciate any advice or
> direction you can point me in.
> 

Hi Chris,

Thanks for your interest. Typically, we release new torrent files with 
every point release (about every 2-3 months) and the major release is
typically once every two years.

See also https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/

There is a torrent file per Debian architecture: realistically, only the
amd64 architecture is likely to get much use at this point. You can 
probably serve just the debian-12.4 netinst image - you won't need to
serve the Mac image there and the debian-edu image is currently untested.

The 64 bit torrent for DVD may also be useful but is likely to see fewer
downloads again.

The team would be interested in how successful this is because we 
don't have much visibility of torrent downloads.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater
(amaca...@debian.org)

For the Debian images team

> Respectfully,
> Chris
> 

Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 09:25:06PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It's time to set a date for 12.5 (taking account of the emergency .4) and
> 11.9. I expect this to be the penultimate update for bullseye before LTS.
> 
> Please indicate availability for:
> 
>   Saturday  3rd February (preferred for cadence)

For those going, this is FOSDEM weekend, I think.

>   Saturday 10th February
>   Saturday 17th February

Can do either of these but will be dependent on Steve and RattusRattus for
moral support.

Thanks,

Andy
(amaca...@debian.org)

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan Wiltshire  j...@debian.org
> Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw
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> 

Re: Planning for 12.3

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Oct 09, 2023 at 12:30:02PM -0400, Donald Norwood wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> > > Erm, astute readers will realise the 4th and 11th are Saturdays in
> > > November, not December. The correct proposals should be:
> > > 
> > > 2nd December (better for candence, no-go for me)
> > > 9th December (more likely suitable in practice)
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > 
> > 
> > All the best
> > /Andy
> 
> Press can do both weekends, will Andy's image host affect new dates proposed?
> 



Hi Donald,

Andy was kind enough to host the images team this weekend such that the build
took place from his house on the other side of Cambridge (from "normal" at
Sledge's house),

Isy has important exams - so can't take part in the testing those weekends -
and Andy's been preemptive in confirming that he *can't* _host_ that weekend
but may be able to take part himself as part of the team.

It sounds as if we'll likely be back to Sledge's, then, if that is feasible.

Thanks to both Sledge and RattusRattus for unfailing hospitality.

I foresee a trip to Cambridge twice inside a fortnight for me, anyway.

Andy Cater
[amaca...@debian.org]
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> Be well,
> 
> -Donald
> 
> --
> -
> ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
> ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Donald Norwood
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Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 09:53:07AM -0700, Birzhan Amirov wrote:
> > If you actually want the level of purity-over-practicality that your mail
> suggests ... that is effectively an abuse of our users
> **Just pointing out the fact that at the time of 11.6.0 you didn't have a
> problem releasing both free and non-free version.**
> Important part ^
> 

Can I remind you that Debian has an open process for this and for any changes.

We *did* have a problem: people couldn't install Debian straightforwardly
without firmware. It is definitely true that this adversely affected some
visually impaired users who were entirely unable to use the speech installer
without Intel sound firmware.

That is one of the justifications for the full GR last year which also changed
the Debian Social contract, accordingly.

> Also, it feels like in your reply you're trying to hide or obfuscate this
> fact, probably because if this fact is not mentioned, your reasoning starts
> to work (e.g. I quote: "that is
> effectively an abuse of our users").
> 

Can I respectfully suggest that you acquaint yourself with more of the
history around these changes: debian-vote lists for August and September 2022
are probably good places to start and corresponding debian-devel discussions.

> You've provided more questionable reasoning in your previous emails,
> responding to which I find grossly counterproductive.
> 

Can I request you to be constructive rather than critical: the Code of Conduct
applies here as elsewhere.

> Just for the record, let me explain you what I mean exactly, because it
> might not have penetrated.
> What I did - is read the DFSG, and IMO it follows from this document that
> you should have at least one official release that doesn't have
> closed-source, just as you did at the time of 11.6.0.
> And let me break it down for you, the way I'm reading it:
> 

The Project as a whole chose to change the process: the code still exists
to generate fully free images. For practical reasons, the release team
chooses not to: that would involve reverting to double the amount of testing
for questionable benefit overall, amongst other things.

> 1. Debian  Project uses *Debian Free
> Software Guidelines* (*DFSG*) to determine whether a software license is a 
> free
> software license ;
> 2. This, in turn is used to determine whether a piece of software can be
> included in Debian.
> 3. and guideline #2 is: Inclusion of source code.
> IMO a natural conclusion from this guideline is that if you get a release
> of Debian, it should be all open source software.
> 
> Your reply to that was: "The non-free firmware is still not part of Debian
> proper, we just happen to distribute it alongside Debian".

I refer you to the comprehensive discussions above around these issues: Phil
is correct here and the Social Contract modification makes this clear.

> And that's fine if you happen to distribute anything alongside whatever you
> want, and you're not called Official Debian.
> The only problem with that is for some reason now you still call those
> releases "Official distributions" and don't provide pure free software
> releases anymore.
> (Memo: earlier releases with non-free software were called "Unofficial").
> But honestly, call them what you want, as long as you provide a pure free
> software release, just like you should, judging from your own manifesto.
> 
> You might have stronger reasons than those you've officially acknowledged
> to compromise your releases with code that you can't vouch for and you can
> deny knowledge of what it does exactly; but the way I see it - that's your
> issue and I'm not going to speculate or blame.

The tone you employ suggests that you're "blaming" the Project as a whole
for doing something you disagree with.

> Maybe at some point somebody more responsible will restart proper releases
> in accordance with DFSG, I'll keep my hope for that.

As one of those closely involved in the Debian images release process, I would
strongly suggest that the team is not irresponsible - but I would say that
wouldn't I.

This issue was also fully discussed at the Debconf in Kossovo,
for example.
https://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2022/DebConf22/debconf22-199-fixing-the-firmware-mess.webm
https://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2022/DebConf22/debconf22-294-debian-installer-and-images-team-bof.webm

Given that the sponsor of the GR has been involved with image releases
almost from the beginning of the Project, you might also wish to 
reconsider your statement from a position of greater factual knowledge after
due consideration.

> And given the quality of your demonstrated argument and reasoning I intend
> to discontinue my participation in this thread, for the purpose of saving
> my time for more productive activities.
> 
> Again, thank you for 11.6.0 and earlier releases.
> 
> Regards, John.
> 

Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 04:38:58PM -0700, Birzhan Amirov wrote:
> Additionally,
> 
> I've just checked the DVDs of 12.1.0 and 11.6.0, and it looks like all the
> DVDs of 12.1.0 are labeled like the following:
> `Debian GNU/Linux 12.1.0 _Bookworm_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-{X} with
> firmware 20230722-10:49`, where X is the DVD number.
> 

Correct.

> ---
> 
> However, the releases of 11.6.0 are labeled as the following:
> `Debian GNU/Linux 11.6.0 _Bullseye_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-{X}
> 20221217-10:40`, where X is the DVD number.
> Notice how there is no string "with firmware" in these labels.
> 

For 11.* and earlier, we had two versions of the images. An image containing
only free firmware and an "unofficial" image containing firmware.

After the GR, it was resolved that we could provide non-free firmware on
the installer in order to install Debian. Especially important when
newer laptops don't have other than WiFi interfaces, for example.

> At the same time, when looking at a community version of 11.6.0 DVD, which
> contains non-free firmware, that's exactly how it's labeled:
> `Debian GNU/Linux 11.6.0 _Bullseye_ - Unofficial amd64 DVD Binary-1 with
> firmware 20221217-10:46`.
> Notice that the string "with firmware" is present in the label of the DVD
> with non-free firmware.
> 

Images produced by the same team within Debian, yes.
> ---
> 
> I'm still trying to understand what that's supposed to mean.
> Are you `Officially` non-free software now, or is it some insider attack
> trying to compromise your integrity?

We include non-free firmware on the install medium. We keep that in a separate
archive. If you install only main and non free firmware, you are not
installing any more non-free software than necessary to install the operating
system.

> Do you have an `Official` way to de-poison your release, and if so, is it
> published as a document?
> 

You can pass various parameters to the installer: you can also uninstall the 
non-free firmware after installation - a record of what is installed is recorded

All the best

Andy Cater
> Regards, John.
> 
> On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 4:12 PM Birzhan Amirov 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Debian CD Images team.
> >
> > I decided to switch to the latest version (12.1.0), and encountered the
> > following issues:
> >
> > 1) Looks like this DVD image:
> > https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
> >
> > https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-12.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
> > which is supposed to be Free Software only, actually contains 3rd party
> > non-free firmware.
> > The way I discovered it was that my 6th gen Lenovo ThinkPad x1 carbon wifi
> > card started working, while with 11.6 and prior it didn't have the firmware
> > and was disabled because of that.
> >
> > This image is labeled as
> > "Debian GNU/Linux 12.1.0 _Bookworm_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 with
> > firmware 20230722-10:49".
> > Was there some kind of mistake when publishing the images?
> >
> > 2) Also, when I tried to download this disk [DVD-1] using jigdo, I ended
> > up getting an image of the first disk that wasn't bootable.
> >
> > Thanks and Regards, John Amirov.
> >

Re: Free Software DVD contains non-free firmware

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 04:12:02PM -0700, Birzhan Amirov wrote:
> Hello Debian CD Images team.
> 
> I decided to switch to the latest version (12.1.0), and encountered the
> following issues:
> 
> 1) Looks like this DVD image:
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
> 
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-12.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
> which is supposed to be Free Software only, actually contains 3rd party
> non-free firmware.
> The way I discovered it was that my 6th gen Lenovo ThinkPad x1 carbon wifi
> card started working, while with 11.6 and prior it didn't have the firmware
> and was disabled because of that.
> 

Hi,

Debian has had a full General Resolution on this and resolved to include
non-free firmware as part of the installer, especially because without this
you cannot install Debian on some hardware if you need sound, for example.

https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003

> This image is labeled as
> "Debian GNU/Linux 12.1.0 _Bookworm_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 with
> firmware 20230722-10:49".
> Was there some kind of mistake when publishing the images?
> 

This is not a mistake: see also the release notes for 12. This is a change 
from Debian 11.

https://www.debian.org/releases/bookworm/releasenotes

> 2) Also, when I tried to download this disk [DVD-1] using jigdo, I ended up
> getting an image of the first disk that wasn't bootable.
> 

Can you show us where you got the jigdo files from, please?

> Thanks and Regards, John Amirov.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Debian ISO Testing

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 04:52:29PM +0100, Martin McCarthy wrote:
> Dear Debian team,
> 
> I'm very pleased to be involved in the Debian project. Thank you for having
> me. Let me introduce myself. I'm Martin, I am a developer based in
> Manchester in the UK and I've recently decided to dive head first into the
> wonderful world of FOSS. I have been in the Microsoft ecosystem for the best
> part of two decades and only ever dabbled in Linux and Debian a little bit
> during that time. I recently took part in the Debian 12.1 ISO release event
> and I had fun, learned a lot of things and met some interesting people
> (including the former DPL Sledge). I had some suggestions based on my
> experience that I would like to share with you.
> 
> 2) Recognition of testers. Although the small group over on #debian-cd on
> OFTC were thankful for everyone's contributions including my own, it would
> be really great for new testers like myself to have some kind of formal
> project recognition. It may seem like a small thing but it makes a huge
> difference to me personally. There are several ways of recognising the
> testers...some easy some not so easy. Firstly, when publishing the release
> notes, naming the testers (by their chosen names) that helped test the
> images before publication would be a nice way to recognise us. Also, as
> cheesy as this may seem or sound, awarding a certificate to recognise that
> that person has participated in the Debian release testing process. Doesn't
> have to be printed of course, it could be designed in Gimp or whathaveyou. I
> have mocked a design which you can view here - > https://justpaste.it/de4hd
> (NB: this is a heads up. This link is SFW...if you happen to be in the
> office right now).
> 

If it helps, you're now a Debian contributor by virtue of having edited the 
wiki and done some testing. 

> 3) Overhaul of the wiki testing process. Rattus proposed some overhauling of
> the ISO testing situation with the wiki. I am happy to work on that with you
> Rattus if you get time and we have something where we don't need to wait for
> the wiki to be released from another user. Although, I'm also happy to keep
> it as is if that's what the community wants. If it's a nod to times of old,
> I'm all for that too. I found the process quaint and reminded me of the old
> days of locking Excel workbooks. :D
> 
> Thanks for reading this, if you want to chat, I'm in various channels on
> Libera and OFTC on IRC or you can respond to this mail. :)
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> Martin McCarthy.
> ==
> Remember when you were young? You shone like the sun.
> 
> Breathe, breathe in the air...don't be afraid to care.
> Leave, but don't leave me...look around, choose your own ground.
> ==
>

amacater on IRC :) 

Re: 12.1 planning

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 08:21:54AM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The proper cadence for 11.8 and 12.2 is the weekend of 30th September 2023.
> Please indicate your availability for:
> 
> 23 Sep
> 30 Sep (preferred)
> 7 Oct
> 
> Thanks,
> 

Subject to willingness of others to accommodate me in Cambridge, I can do any 
of these dates (or participate remotely)

Andy C

> -- 
> Jonathan Wiltshire  j...@debian.org
> Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw
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> 

Re: 11.8/12.2 planning

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 10:09:42AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Jonathan Wiltshire  (2023-06-28):
> > The proper cadence for 11.8 and 12.2 is the weekend of 30th September
> > 2023. Please indicate your availability for:
> > 
> > 23 Sep
> > 30 Sep (preferred)
> > 7 Oct
> 
> I should be able to make any of those work for the installer team, and
> optionally for the images team.
> 

Subject to the usual offers of accommodation and space in Cambridge, I can
make any of these, I think (or can do this remotely)

Andy

> 
> Cheers,
> -- 
> Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org)
> D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

Re: Debian 12 "Software and Updates" program

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 07:12:59PM +0200, pham...@bluewin.ch wrote:
> Hello,
> Is it normal that in Debian 12 the "Updates" tab of the "Software and 
> Updates" program is missing ?
> Best regards.
> Philippe 
> Source: https://cdimage.debian.org/images/.bookworm_release/debian-cd/

Hi Philiippe,

Could you give more details of exactly which desktop you're using?

If you can add screenshots, that would be very helpful. In the same way,
if you could phrase "What I expected versus what I actually got" that 
might help.

It is possible that a tab has disappeared - this could be a bug, further
and better information will help people. If this is produced by GNOME's
 software-properties-gtk, can you add this to the bug report, please.

Thanks,

Andy Cater

Re: Alo

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 02:15:13PM -0700, Mr. Nailor wrote:
> ¿May I please have a copy of backtrack 5r1? I needs itz muchozmos por
> favors?

The Debian-cd list is the wrong place to ask for CD images. Debian images
are downloadable from cdimage.debian.org.

www.debian.org has a download link for the network install media.

Backtrack is a Debian derivative which is now obsolete and replaced by
Kali Linux. I suggest that you contact the developers behind Kali
for help with their distribution.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

http://www.debian.org/

https://www.kali.org/get-kali/#kali-platforms

Installation report - Debian-live standard failed (WAS Re: Starting the weekly live images for Bookworm building again)

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 03:13:47PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Hey again,
> 
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 03:36:53PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >>
> >>As you can see, this affects many teams:
> >>* live-setup: a MR to generate all live images for Bookworm [A2]
> 
> So, *builds* work fine but I've not *yet* tested actually
> booting/using one of these images in any way. I've just triggered a
> full build of "testing" live images now, please help test if you can
> once they're in place at [2] in a couple of hours from now.
> 

VERY impressed with the array of install options immediately presented
including text install, text with speech synthesis etc.

Debian-live standard .iso - the text mode one with no GUI - failed at
an early step because no kernel modules were detected.

Continuing, predictably it failed as per warnings because no network
device could be decected.

> [1] "yay" for the long-standing tradition of services failing as we
> get close to a release: this time it was casulana and salsa...
> [2] https://get.debian.org/images/weekly-live-builds/
> 

At least this time it wasn't buildings burning down ... and they were very
quick to get this sorted. Kudos to the admins and all involved.

All best,

Andy Cater

> -- 
> Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com
> "...In the UNIX world, people tend to interpret `non-technical user'
>  as meaning someone who's only ever written one device driver." -- Daniel Pead
> 

Bug#1024346: cdrom: debian-11.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso boots to Grub CLI on Dell Optiplex 5090

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

Rob - see below, you might want to subscribe to the bug too.

Suggestion is to use firmware .iso and a more verbose dd line to ensure
you've actually written the whole image correctly.

Also, I would suggest enabling TPM and secure boot unless you are *absolutely*
sure that you don't need them. Secure boot is well supported in Debian.

Hope this helps,

Andy Cater

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 08:33:29PM +0100, Franco Martelli wrote:
> On 17/11/22 at 23:11, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 04:46:30PM -0500, Rob Klingsten wrote:
> > > Package: cdrom
> > > Severity: important
> > > Tags: d-i
> > > 
> > > Dear Maintainer,
> > > 
> > > *** Reporter, please consider answering these questions, where 
> > > appropriate ***
> > > 
> > > * What led up to the situation?
> > > * What exactly did you do (or not do) that was effective (or
> > >   ineffective)?
> > > * What was the outcome of this action?
> > > * What outcome did you expect instead?
> > > 
> > > *** End of the template - remove these template lines ***
> > > 
> > > Downloaded debian-11.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso, verified SHA512 signature and 
> > > flashed to USB stick (dd if= of=/dev/sdb). The
> > > Dell Optiplex 5090 is a UEFI-only system. In the BIOS, I previously 
> > > disabled TPM, Secure Boot and Absolute (computer Lojack).
> > > 
> > > Booting from the netinst USB stick, the computer boots into the Grub CLI. 
> > > 'ls' shows the following:
> > > 
> > > (proc) (hd0) (hd0,gpt4) (hd0,gpt3) (hd0,gpt2) (hd0,gpt1) (cd0) 
> > > (cd0,msdos2)
> > > 
> > > There does not appear to be any usable partition detected on the USB 
> > > stick that contains a kernel. The contents of (cd0,msdos2) are
> > > just an 'efi' directory.
> > > 
> > > I have tried multiple USB sticks, downloaded the ISO several times all 
> > > with a good SHA512, tried dd and also cp  /dev/sdb, makes
> > > no difference. I've tried the live Gnome image as well, same problem.
> > > 
> > > I expect the computer to boot properly into the Debian installer.
> > > 
> > 
> > First of all:
> > 
> > It may be better to use a longer dd line and also to use the unofficial
> > firmware image available at 
> > https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-11.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
> > 
> > dd if=firmware-11.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M oflag=sync 
> > status=progress
> > 
> > That makes absolutely sure that the transfer is synced to ensure that it is
> > written to the stick and also gives you some idea of how well the transfer
> > is going.
> > 
> > Using the firmware .iso will potentially solve any problems with missing
> > firmwware.
> > 
> > The writing to a stick *should* work well.
> > 
> > All the very best, as ever,
> > 
> > Andy Cater
> > 
> I'm not sure but maybe Rob Klingsten is not on the list so I'm not sure that
> he has read your reply please consider to re-send your answer to
> 1024...@bugs.debian.org
> 
> kind regards
> -- 
> Franco Martelli
> 

Re: Bug#1024346: cdrom: debian-11.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso boots to Grub CLI on Dell Optiplex 5090

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Nov 17, 2022 at 04:46:30PM -0500, Rob Klingsten wrote:
> Package: cdrom
> Severity: important
> Tags: d-i
> 
> Dear Maintainer,
> 
> *** Reporter, please consider answering these questions, where appropriate ***
> 
>* What led up to the situation?
>* What exactly did you do (or not do) that was effective (or
>  ineffective)?
>* What was the outcome of this action?
>* What outcome did you expect instead?
> 
> *** End of the template - remove these template lines ***
> 
> Downloaded debian-11.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso, verified SHA512 signature and 
> flashed to USB stick (dd if= of=/dev/sdb). The
> Dell Optiplex 5090 is a UEFI-only system. In the BIOS, I previously disabled 
> TPM, Secure Boot and Absolute (computer Lojack).
> 
> Booting from the netinst USB stick, the computer boots into the Grub CLI. 
> 'ls' shows the following:
> 
> (proc) (hd0) (hd0,gpt4) (hd0,gpt3) (hd0,gpt2) (hd0,gpt1) (cd0) (cd0,msdos2)
> 
> There does not appear to be any usable partition detected on the USB stick 
> that contains a kernel. The contents of (cd0,msdos2) are
> just an 'efi' directory.
> 
> I have tried multiple USB sticks, downloaded the ISO several times all with a 
> good SHA512, tried dd and also cp  /dev/sdb, makes
> no difference. I've tried the live Gnome image as well, same problem.
> 
> I expect the computer to boot properly into the Debian installer.
>

First of all:

It may be better to use a longer dd line and also to use the unofficial
firmware image available at 
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-11.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso

dd if=firmware-11.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M oflag=sync 
status=progress

That makes absolutely sure that the transfer is synced to ensure that it is
written to the stick and also gives you some idea of how well the transfer
is going.

Using the firmware .iso will potentially solve any problems with missing 
firmwware.

The writing to a stick *should* work well.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Links to firmware netinst CD and DVD images [WAS Re: CDimages go 2 NET INSTALLERS]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 08:41:14AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 01:39:09PM -0500, Fresh Air wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> 
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
>  - is a CD image without firmware. Note the path - iso-cd indicates it
> is a CD sized image.
> 
> Here's the corresponding image with included non-free firmware which you may
> need for WiFi.
> 

Firmware link now inserted here to the netinst CD

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-11.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso

And corresponding DVD if you don't want to connect to the 'Net to download
from the netinst.

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/firmware-11.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso

> 
> Torrent link is here: 
> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/bt-cd/firmware-11.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent
> 
> With every good wish, as ever,
> 
> > Please, test your links BEFORE you publish them to your website.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Annoyed Linux user without working wireless drivers, and no I'm not going to
> > run an Ethernet cable just to make it work.  So don't give the a net install
> > for a CD IMAGE LINK.
> >
> 
> Andy Cater 
> 

Re: CDimages go 2 NET INSTALLERS

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 01:39:09PM -0500, Fresh Air wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> It's clear to me that you all do NOT check your own links on your website. 
> I'm trying to download a CD image, but wouldn't you know it, ALL TEN LINKS
> to the different archs go to the "Net instal" which only has three image
> files.  Do you even link bro?
> 
> This is so basic it's just laughable, and really frustrating so something so
> BASIC.  How hard is it to link to the correct images?  So now, I can't even
> download a 700MB CD image today, and have to wait on you all to fix this.  I
> want the CD image, and I want to be able to have the torrent link.  Sure the
> "server" link works, but I'm not ever going to use that when I can use the
> torrent.  It's less to download than a 2.5 GB ("CD") image, which you'll
> notice if you were to check all your links.
> 

https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-11.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
 - is a CD image without firmware. Note the path - iso-cd indicates it
is a CD sized image.

Here's the corresponding image with included non-free firmware which you may
need for WiFi.

First image is directly available on the web as the first link. Second is noted
from the bottom of that download link. As it happens, for the next major
release of Debian, we're likely to release an image containing firmware
by default.

Torrent link is here: 
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/bt-cd/firmware-11.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent

That's directly from 
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/
 - which is the directory above.

"Debian firmware torrent" into your favourite search engine will find you
the first three links. One to a live CD including firmware, one to how to
download Debian CD images and the third to the link I've given above.

Do you Google, bro?

With every good wish, as ever,

> Please, test your links BEFORE you publish them to your website.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Annoyed Linux user without working wireless drivers, and no I'm not going to
> run an Ethernet cable just to make it work.  So don't give the a net install
> for a CD IMAGE LINK.
>

Andy Cater 

Re: Time to drop win32-loader ?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 03:46:09PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> Hello there,
> (please CC me on replies, I'm not on these lists)
> 
> (live from the d-i/debian-cd BoF)
> 
> as some of you likely remember, win32-loader is shipped on d-i and debian-cd 
> images, and is added in autorun.inf for automated launch on Windows machines, 
> when USB/CDs are plugged in. What it does is allow a machine booted in 
> Windows 
> to download a d-i image, put a grub image and d-i in C:/debian-installer, and 
> fiddle with the (old?) Windows bootloader to allow selection of d-i upon 
> reboot. It either works from the image, or downloading stuff from internet.
> 
> I haven't checked (as I don't have access to Windows machines...), but I'm 
> quite confident that the Windows Bootloader fiddling is quite unlikely to 
> work 
> on modern (Secure Boot ?) machines.
> 
> That brings two sides of the question:
> * should it still be shipped on amd64 netinsts, CD's, other images?
> * should it still be offered on the mirrors ?
>   on https://deb.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/stable/
>   (where it lands via dak's byhand handling upon uploads; but is manually 
>   moved by ftp-master on migrations and release days)
> 
> (I orphaned win32-loader back in September, and it still doesn't have an 
> official maintainer; but I'd be happy to work towards ditching it away :-P)
> 
> Best,
>   OdyX

Also from the Debconf session - we recommend Rufus - lets just do that and
drop win32-loader?

All the very best, as ever,

Andy C.

Re: 11.4 planning

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 08:31:23PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> We're (again) running behind in getting the next point release for
> bullseye sorted, and I know we're about to run into the Deb{Camp,Conf}
> period. I think the possible dates that make sense are:
> 
> - July 2nd (means freezing next weekend, but so be it)
> - July 9th
> 

Hi Adam

I'll tag along with whatever the rest of the images team want to do :)
Always fond of doing this.

With every good wish,

Andy Cater
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Adam
> 

Re: Question - links included are on www.debian.org

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Jun 03, 2022 at 11:07:40PM -0400, Armando Zuñiga wrote:
> I would like to know what form I should fill out if I want to be a seller
> of debian netinstaller installer pen drives or if I qualify as a debian CD
> seller.
> 
> I would like to be a seller of official debian images in Chile, but the
> controversy that the CD's are staying is added.

Hi Armando,

I think the information you need is at:

https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/info

and specifically at

https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/adding-form  

If you are providing CDs today - it is probably worth providing the choice
of the official CD - which does not have non-free firmware included - and
the unofficial, non-free CD which does include firmware.

The situation may change: if you are prepared to offer both, then people
will have an informed choice.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Bug#1012117: Failed integrity check live-11.3.0-amd64-mate+nonfree.iso

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 03:48:54PM +0300, Mikko Viinamäki wrote:
> Package: debian-cd
> Version: 3.1.35
> 
> Downloaded 
> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.3.0-live+nonfree/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-11.3.0-amd64-mate+nonfree.iso.torrent
>  and copied the iso to a usb key. Fired it up and selected install. When 
> asked about language chose to go back and then perform check integrity, which 
> gave a lovely red screen with "No valid Debian installation media".
> 
> Repeated copying to usb key and integrity check, same result.
> 
> Can you confirm a problem with the iso?
> 
> (Did I get the package and version right?)
>

No, I think you accidentally picked up the torrent links rather than the .iso
files themselves.

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.3.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
 is the directory you need.

Be aware - these are approximately 3GB files unless you have the standard
image which doesn't provide a GUI environment.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater 

 

OT: Setting up a local mirror [WAS Re: Bug#1011343: WISHLIST: Offical ALL-IN-ONE images?]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

[Here for anyone else that may need it - probably offtopic for this list
after that.]

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 12:19:27AM +0800, Zhang Boyang wrote:
> 
> On 2022/5/21 22:54, Linux-Fan wrote:
> 
> > > I admit a local mirror is more suitable for large set of computers.
> > > But for a small set of computers, for example, 1-5 computers,
> > > setting up a local mirror might be too heavy.
> > 
> > Actually I think this may be a misconception. Setting up a mirror for
> > internal use is (from my experience with the `ftpsync` script, cf.
> > https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror) pretty straight-forward. AFAIK
> > the minimal steps are as follows:
> > 
> > - Download and extract ftpsync to a location
> > - Configure distrib/etc/ftpsync.conf
> > - Setup a webserver to serve the mirror directory
> > - Invoke mirror script
> > - Then point clients to the webserver location
> > 
> 
> Thanks for this information. I think I overestimated the difficulty of
> creating a mirror.
> 

Quoting myself - which might be bad form

http://flosslinuxblog.blogspot.com/2020/02/rebuilding-mirror-software-mirroring-of.html
 

gives the full steps to set up a mirror by editing one script, more or less.

You do need rsync and a mirror to pull from but this is really, really easy to 
do.

Setting up Apache is covered in another blog in that series at almost the
same time - it's essentially just unocmmenting the stanza for /srv in the 
default configuration. [My mirror directories are all under /srv ]

Hope this helps,

Andy Cater


> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> Zhang Boyang
> 

Re: Bug#1011343: WISHLIST: Offical ALL-IN-ONE images?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 01:57:59PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Hi Thomas,

> Hi,
> 
> some technical nitpicking.
> 
> Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > Also, keeping large files around on disk for a long
> > time - there's some likelihood of data corruption.
> 
> The .jigdo and .template files of the DLBD ISOs are together smaller than
> a netinst CD ISO. (Less than 90 MiB, see
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-dlbd/ )
> 
> Building an ALL-IN-ONE would cost the computing time of another ISO set (*)
> and 50 % percent more virtual memory than building DLBD1 (**).
> 

That's if you assume that building from jigdo and a mirror is always fine.
If the original poster wants one huge .iso as one file to download from 
cdimage.debian.org - then 2 x double layer Blu-Ray (say) as one file 
would be 100GB or so. Even on a good quality link, that's quite a time.

[If you've actually got a physical mirror near to you, the jigit scripts
work even better than jigdo-file - but they produce the .iso on the same 
machine, which is not ideal for everyone.]


Then there's storage - generating multiples of those per architecture
per point release adds up to space on cdimage.debian.org.

> I assume that the main workload with an additional set of jigdoized ISOs
> is the need to once more shovel 75 GB of package files through libisofs
> and libjte so that they can create .template and .jigdo files. The ISOs
> themselves get directly piped into /dev/null, i guess.
> 

I don't actually know how long it take to create the .jigdo and .template
files - I don't think it's as long as generating the full .iso files and
copying them around between machines as they're generated on each point
release day, for example, and they don't get generated multiple times.
> 
> > I'd hate a couple of
> > bit flips three quarters of the way through a 6TB file, say, to mean that
> > the whole thing isuseless.
> 

This is the case for the hypothetical "all in one" .iso to contain all
architectures - be a "one source for Debian 10.12" .iso - which is feasible
but probably not sensible.

> The vast majority of data is stored as packages on the worldwide mirrors.
> I'd expect some quality of filesystem and backup which keeps damage
> confined to a few packages.
> 
> There are a lot of outdated mirrors around where one could dig for those
> which really got lost from all active mirrors. I remember the hunt for
> a package which once was overwritten by a newer version with the same
> .deb file name. It was needed for building an old ISO from .jigdo which
> was created when the new version did not yet exist.
> But even without finding the older version, the emerging ISO would have
> been usable for all purposes which don't touch that one rogue package.
> 
> 
> 
> Every time this wish pops up, i begin to ponder what is theoretically
> needed to unite several pool trees from multiple ISOs into one, so that
> it works like an official ALL-IN-ONE ISO.
> 
> Putting all files together and making the ISO bootable would be no
> problem. But what does a neat pool have to offer as merged lists or other
> meta-data so that it properly announces its content ?
> 
> 
> 
> Footnotes:
> (*) Computing time:
> Maybe it needs a bit more than DLBD[12] together, because the insertion
> algorithm of libisofs has a quadratic aspect in its personality. But
> the branchy pool tree helps a lot to keep this problem under the cover.
> (**) Virtual memory consumption:
> The memory consumption of libisofs mainly depends on the number of
> files and the length of their names. *11.3.0-amd64-DLBD-[12].jigdo
> together list ~ 59,000 files with ~ 2.2 MiB of basename length.
> My daily BD backups have ~ 70,000 files with ~ 1.4 MiB of basename
> length and do not demand gigabytes of RAM.
> 
> 
> Have a nice day :)
> 
> Thomas
>

And you too - it's always good to have otehr people to think round a problem
with.

All best, as ever,

Andy Cater 

Re: Bug#1011343: WISHLIST: Offical ALL-IN-ONE images?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 01:33:02PM +0800, Zhang Boyang wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Indeed, I admit super-big-iso is a crazy idea, and a local mirror is more
> useful in most cases. I think there is a few special cases that a
> super-big-iso might be more useful.
> 
> 1) Computers / Virtual Machines isolated from public internet or have no
> network at all. It is convenient to have such an ISO to install software on
> demand. A single file is much more convenient than setting up a local
> mirror. It's also easy to manage or verify integrity, if frequent updates
> are not needed.
> 

If you have a computer isolated from the internet / with no network 
connectivitythen you are essentially "set and forget" - because the only way to 
update this
is to hand carry packages in for security updates or whatever. For that, you
can use the DL-BD sized .iso - you'll need a computer that's connected to the
'Net to build it via jigdo / jigit - but you'd need a computer connected to
the internet to donwload the DVD or any other medium.

The double-layer Blu-Ray disk sized medium is 50GB or so - so you could write
that to a 64G USB flash disk. We - the debian images team that build and test
the images - don't routinely create all those full size images and put them in 
the archive - because that would be terabytes with every point release.
They're there if you need them.

Actually, setting up a local mirror is potentially almost as easy a use case
as using gigantic media files. That's exactly what many hosting companies
do in their data centres for their own use (and it's also in some of those 
data centres  where some of the Debian country level mirrors are located).
So a large isolated network may find it useful to have a local mirror
updated periodically.

> 2) Archival purposes. If someone (in future, for example, in 2042) want to
> install a very old debian system, he/she may grab the big ISO and all he/she
> need is that single file. Although it's not easy to grab the file in far
> future, but I guess there is always someone crazy enough to archive all
> files, isn't it? :P
> 

See, for example, snapshot.debian.org - which is growing. See also the 
cdimage.debian.org archive directory where you can find most of the .iso
files for any release. Also, keeping large files around on disk for a long
time - there's some likelihood of data corruption. I'd hate a couple of
bit flips three quarters of the way through a 6TB file, say, to mean that 
the whole thing isuseless. 

> I think setting up a new variant of image is not very costly for debian
> since there are already many variants, so why not give people more choices
> :-)
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> Zhang Boyang
> 
> On 2022/5/21 07:09, Andy Simpkins wrote:
> > On 20 May 2022 15:11:09 BST, Zhang Boyang  wrote:
> > > Package: debian-cd
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > I suggest debian release a new variant of ISO images, the all-in-one 
> > > images. These all-in-one image contains ALL debian packages in a single 
> > > ISO image (possibly all source packages in another all-in-one ISO image). 
> > > Of course there is no such optical media can hold such a big image, but 
> > > it is useful for virtual-machines, remotely managed servers, and archival 
> > > purposes. The theoretical size limit of an ISO9660 filesystem is about 
> > > 8TB, which is sufficient for including all debian packages.
> > > 
> > > For the name of this variant, I suggest 'everything', 'allinone', 
> > > 'world', 'virt'.
> > > 
> > > p.s. This is my personal interest, and I would appreciate if you can 
> > > kindly consider my suggestion.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Zhang Boyang
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Sorry to put a dampener on your suggestion but why would you need that?
> > 
> > Why not just mirror the archive to a local disk instead?
> > 
> > Then you have your copy of everything and can just point a netinst at your 
> > local mirror so you can install from there.
> > 
> > I think that would deliver on every use case that you would be able to use 
> > your big ISO image and more
> > 
> > 
>
Andy is absolutely right, I think.

If it helps, I'm the "other" Andy in the team along with Steve McIntyre -
and yes, I know the problems of copying large images around, have a local
mirror here and routinely build at least the single layer BD disk with
every point release.

This is a topic that comes up fairly frequently in our informal discussions
as various people have argued for various sizes of medium - someone was
asking for 128G a short while ago - practically, the impact on storage
sizes and the pain of testing each size means that we have a selection
of all possible requests. 

It's an open question as to whether we will ever stop making media in
physical medium sizes - there's no obvious reason why an iso file needs
to fit on a DVD, for example - and then someone turns up who is still using
single layer DVDs on a regular basis. The number of people buying
burnt physical media is smaller and 

Re: problem with DVD installation

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, May 09, 2022 at 10:29:45PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> J.A. Bezemer wrote:
> > When the CD is scanned properly using this process, but the DVD fails, then
> > your DVD is bad. Maybe the DVD has bad data on it (corrupted download), or
> > the DVD burner is bad, or the DVD reader is bad.
> 
> I agree in principle. But the particular reason for the firmware's refusal
> to consider booting the DVD should be found out.
> 
> So i would still be interested in seeing the output of
> 
>   xorriso -indev /dev/sr0 -toc -report_el_torito plain
> 
> while the DVD is in the drive, and of
> 
>   xorriso -outdev /dev/sr0 -list_profiles
> 
> regardless whether the medium is loaded or not.
> (If there is more than one optical drive, the address might be /dev/sr1 or
> /dev/sr2.)
> 
> 
> Have a nice day :)
> 
> Thomas
>

If this is one of the strange machines with 32 bit UEFI firmware and a 64 bit
processor - Intel Bay Trail laptop, for example - then the standard installers
have problems - as outlined - and you'd need to find the multi-arch DVD to 
install from.

If you use the multi-arch netinst to isntall a minimal Debian, you can always 
then use 64 bit DVDs to add packages with apt-cdrom.

Hope this helps, all the very best,

Andy Cater 

Re: Lista de DVD

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 05:42:24PM -0300, Daniel Sergio Techeyra wrote:
> Estimados, he buscado los 3 DVD de la version 11.2 y 11.3, pero solo
> encontre de ambas solo el DVD 1.
> Cual es la ruta para descargarlos? ya que antes cuando en versiones
> anteriores los 3 DVD se encontraban en el mismo path.
> 
> Alguna ayuda?.. gracias...
> 
> -- 
> 
>   atte:
> 
> Daniel Sergio Techeyra.
> 
> *P* *Antes de imprimir este mensaje, por favor piense en el medio ambiente.*
> 
>   *Before printing this message, please consider the
> environment.*

Oye Daniel

Por aqui, en este lista de correos, escribimos en ingles; para Vd. me voy a 
escribir en castellano - pero una vez solamente.

Ahora no salgan los DVD 2 y 3. Son demasiados costosos en el espacio de 
disco. Se puede hacerlos su mismo con jigdo-lite y los ficheros de .jigdo
y .template por alli: 
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-dvd/

Hi Daniel,

In this mailing list, we write in English: for you, I'll write in Spanish
but only this once.

Now, DVD2 and 3 don't come out. They are too costly in disk space in the 
archives..

You can make them yourself with jigdo-lite and the jigdo and template 
files here.

With every good wish,

Andy Cater  

Bug#1006122: Provide a live image with enlightenment for a smaller image

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Feb 19, 2022 at 07:28:46PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote:
> Package: debian-cd
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> Currently all images except the standard image is >= 3.0 GB. I think
> providing a smaller graphical image with enlightenment (or icewm or wmaker
> or even all three together) to provide a graphical smaller disk image would
> be nice. It can be useful for smaller pen drives and people just wanting to
> test live images with more features than standard image (check video driver,
> wifi driver, sound and other hardware before installing).
>

Just a heads-up: you may want to close this/reassign to debian-live. 
Debian-cd don't have anything to do with the live builds except to
test them occasionally.

I doubt that the images will get smaller - they effectively include a
live filesystem to copy into RAM in order to run so they need to be
that big. Adding another desktop or three will require another dedicated
image and there's nobody much maintaining live images at all at the moment,
unfortunately.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy C.

Re: Bug#985696: debian-installer: Speech synthesis and Intel SOF firmware

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 02:40:20PM +0100, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Asking debian-kernel about firmwares: is the firmware-intel-sound
> package needed for getting sound on some hardware?
> 

It looks as if it's needed on some newer Intel laptops and desktops at least,
yes

> Do you know if arm64 has some platforms which require such kind of sound
> firmwares?
> 

Almost all arm64 platforms don't have sound inbuilt: on a Raspberry Pi,
the drivers needed are in the Raspberry Pi firmware package which is
required for the Raspberry Pi to boot. On others, it would be in a
.dtb file, I think.

Raspberry Pis have a concept of hardware as an add on board called a Hat
- the drivers for these could be anything.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

> Samuel
> 
> Samuel Thibault, le lun. 14 févr. 2022 12:55:15 +0100, a ecrit:
> > Arnaud Rebillout, le lun. 22 mars 2021 17:30:30 +0700, a ecrit:
> > > some recent Intel sound cards require a firmware to work. This firmware
> > > is packaged under 'firmware-sof-signed'. For reference, you might want
> > > to look at the ITP [1].
> > > 
> > > I tried it with my laptop. What happens is that the installer gets stuck
> > > straight from the beginning, prior it can show any kind of GUI. All I
> > > get is a black scree with the lines:
> > > 
> > >   Please wait while we probe your sound card(s)...
> > 
> > Could you try with the following image:
> > 
> > https://people.debian.org/~sthibault/tmp/debian-sid-amd64-NETINST-1.iso
> > 
> > It's supposed to have the firmware available for loading before speech
> > starts.
> > 
> > Samuel
> 

Re: Only the Net Install for CD are available on the Offline Download Links page.

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 05:31:06PM +, caseym2...@verizon.net wrote:
> Hello,
> On this page https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#firmware
> 
> At this section 
> Official CD/DVD images of the "stable" release
> Where we click on 
> CDThe following links point to image files which are up to 700 MBin size, 
> making them suitable for writing to normal CD-R(W) media: 
> So we click on adm64 
> Which takes us to https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/
> 
> The only ISO links are for the Net Install and not the Offline installations. 
> They are not 700 MB in size as you can see by going to those links they 
> arethe smaller downloads the largest being 439MB for EDU version and the 
> Standard Version being only 378 MB in size as they are both Net Installations.
> Can you please direct me to the CD Download Link for the Full Offline 
> installation package?
> Than you,Casey,email: caseym2...@verizon.net
>

Hi Casey,

With Bullseye - the old single CD which installed XFCE proved impractical
as it grew too big for the medium. The last XFCE release was for Debian
10 Buster

We have netinst CDs for the rare case of where you must use a CD for a
CD-only drive. Otherwise, there are far too many CDs to produce and it
becomes inappropriate for storage costs on the worldwide mirrors carrying
CD and DVD images

There is DVD1 at https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/11.2.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ and 
then the other 18 DVDs are downloadable via jigdo by using the files  in 
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-dvd/

Using jigdo does require network access to do this and, ideally, a Debian
mirror fairly close at hand in network terms.

Debian contains a very large number of packages: for an offline install,
in most cases DVD 1 to DVD 3 will be sufficient.

Source is also available for all packages.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater
[Also part of the team: generally checking media for release days]



 

Re: Debian 11.2 i386 Netinstall CD Athlon XP-M

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 10:02:15PM +0100, Markus Hackspacher wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> on my Laptop HP Pavilion ZE4700 with an Athlon XP-M 2500+ (K7, Barton
> 1,866 GHz)
> >From ?2004
> Running with Debian 8.
> The Laptop was not in use and I want to use for Kids playing.
> 
> Try to install Debian 11.2 i386 Netinstall CD
> 
> At point: "Install the base system"
> Unable to install the selected kernel
> An error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the
> target system
> Kernel package: linux-image-686-pae"
> At expert install, I try it with Kernel package: linux-image-5.10.0-
> 686-pae
> with the same error.
> 
> 
> I could not check /var/log/syslog or virtual console 4
> I do not know how I could look at /var/log/syslog at the install and
> swich console was not possible only the install-menu goes back.
> 
> 
> https://www.debian.org/ports/index.en.html
> i386  32-bit PC (i386)AMD (K6, all Athlon series, Athlon64
> series in 32-bit mode)
> 
>

Possibly try using the non-pae version of the kernel? Does it not install
at all, or does it fail at the last stage?

All the very best, as always,

Andy Cater 

Re: I Need Dvd Image Debian 10 Complete Edition, please, HELP-ME!

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 10:40:59AM +, Raphael Maria wrote:
> Hello Debian CD Team
> Can you help me?
> At the moment I need a DVD Image release of Debian 10, for a specific project 
> that requires it, but I can't find it on the website.
> 
> Can they share a torrent or http link for download?
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Raphael Maria
> Tecnólogo em Redes de Computadores (FACSP/UNIESP)
> 
> Contato: + 55 (11) 96061-1839
> Skype: raphael.alan1
> 
> www.raphaelmaria.com.br 
> 

Hi Raphael,

I'm assuming that you want the DVD for AMD64 - Intel or AMD CPU, 64 bit.

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/10.10.0/amd64/iso-dvd/

should give you what you need.

If you need something else, start at

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/10.10.0/

It's unlikely that anyone will still be seeding torrent files for this
release at this point.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

[For the image release team]

Re: Demande d'assistance

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

Have replied: directing the requester to French resources and 
debian-user-french with a copy to debian-user in my best French with
translation.

I'd failed to pick up that this was addressed to debian-cd.

All best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Debian 11.1.0 DVD 2,3,4,5 ?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 04:16:21PM +0200, Christoph Prokop wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> i just downloaded DVD1 for 11.1.0 but it seems DVD 2,3,... are missing here:
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
> Is it on purpose only DVD1?
> 
> This Site lists 1-5 (but i am not sure who provides theses isos):
> Is this even an official mirror?
> http://debian-cd.inspire.net.nz/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
> 
> Greetings and thanks for all your efforts!
> 
> Chris
> 

>From Debian 11.0 onwards, we're ornly providing one DVD as standard.
It is a law of diminishing returns: we found fewer and fewer people
were downloading all three and yet people were continuing to get confused
by which DVD was bootablew and which was necessary

If you want to get DVD2 and DVD3 particularly, then you can use 
jigdo-lite and .jigdo files. Most people don't in fact need them
because DVD1 will install sufficient / they're carrying out an 
install while connected to the Internet anyway.

If you need more than one DVD's worth, another possibility is to use
the 16G file to put onto a USB stick / the Blu-Ray disk images which are
also bootable from USB stick.

It's possible that the admin of the mirror you cite just made the DVD
files up for convenience of their users.

cdimage.debian.org is the canonical source for CD / DVD and other Debian
media so check there first for changes, as you have done in this instance.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Debian in the llibrary?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 04:00:14PM +0200, Зоран Тасевски wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Debian on CD/DVD and ISBN or ISSN number?
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Serial_Number
> 
> Best,
> 
> Zoran Tasevski (50), Belgrade (Serbia, Europe), Debian home user, web
> developer.

In the past, many people have published books with a Debian CD / DVD 
included but many of these are very old versions and the books are now
out of print.

Because our media are freely downloadable from anywhere in the world - and 
updated regularly - we don't normally use ISBN or ISSN as far as I am aware.

Is there some particular reason that you need formal references for the
installation medium?

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater 

Re: full CD installer, non netinst

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 08:39:14AM +, Joseph wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm looking for the smallest full installer possible with just xfce (CD
> installer for example < 700MB), that works without internet, non netinst.
> I know this existed for 10.4, I still have:
> 
> "debian-10.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso"  which is 640 MB
> 
> I'm looking for the same thing for 11.0, but when searching on:
> 
> https://get.debian.org/images/
> https://get.debian.org/images/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/
> 
> there are only "netinst" vesions, such as debian-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso.
> 
> Question: does
> 
> "debian-11.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso"<  700 MB
> 
> exist?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Jo

Hi Jo,

No, I'm sorry, it no longer does. The XFCE single CD got too large to fit
on a single 640/700 CD dnd the team that releases the CD/DVD etc. images 
took the decision to drop it. Essentially, the process was to squeeze as
many packages as possible onto one CD to make a desktop environment. XFCE
was the smallest - when that ceased to fit, there was no straightforward
way forward. The number of people using genuine physical CD media is also
smaller than it was (but non-zero).

 At the same time, the number of DVDs was also reduced for Debian 11. Whereas
for Buster we made the first three .iso images, for Bullseye there is one: 
the others can be built using jigdo. Again, the numbers of people wanting
physical DVD images is smaller (but non-zero). if you really want DVDs
for archival purposes, they're available to make - but they're necessarily
out of date almost immediately on the day of release as security updates etc.
happen.

The netinst will work well to install any desktop: if you happen to be 
disconnected from any network, DVD1 should well work (though you might 
conceivably need DVD2 or DVD3 for some packages.) If that's still 
inconvenient, get someone with jigdo to produce the 16G image meant
for USB sticks or the Blu-Ray sizes which can also be written directly
to USB and will boot.

Hope this helps. With every good wish, as ever

Andy Cater

[Part of the images team on release days though not directly triggering the
releases.]

Re: Bug#994408: cdimage.debian.org: Buster non-free firmware image fails to detect wifi

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 06:46:54PM +0200, Olaf Zaplinski wrote:
> Package: cdimage.debian.org
> Severity: important
> Tags: d-i
> 
> Dear Maintainer,
> 
> 1. in contrast to Linux Mint, the non-free iso does not detect my (popular) 
> Realtek 8822CE wifi
> 2. non-free ISO is not available on german mirrors, so do not point us in 
> that direction. I had to use the main server for downloading.
> 

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
 is the 
main location for the unofficial non-free image - so that's the main Debian
images machine in Sweden. Debian mirrors are not required to carry 
non-free unofficial images - www.debian.org points to the central location.

https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/firmware-realtek suggests that the
Realtek 8822CE should be installed by firmware-realtek in non-free.

If all else fails, the recommendation is always to try installing with a 
wired connection first, if available - wifi installs are not always as 
reliable.

Hope this helps. With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Re: Recommmend Balena Etcher for creating bootable disks

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

Forwarded to the list after fat fingering the address

Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 12:07:47 +
From: "Andrew M.A. Cater" 
To: Ravi Dwivedi 
Cc: debian...@einval.com
Subject: Re: Recommend Balena Etcher for creating bootable disks

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 01:29:38AM +0530, Ravi Dwivedi wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:21:18PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> At https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb I think Balena Etcher [1]
> should
> >> be recommended either replacing win32diskmanager or in addition to it.
> This
> >> is very easy to use and also works on Mac OS.
> >>
> >> [1] https://www.balena.io/etcher/
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Praveen
> >>
> >> Note: please cc me on replies
> >>
> >>
> 
> > It is not stable software. It's distributed as a flatpak so anybody
> > who
> > really wants it can install it. It's an Electron app which means that >
> it's
> > huge and has interesting security problems.
> 
> Does Balena Etcher has security problems or in general, electron apps have
> security problems?
> 

Electron apps in general are rather large for what they do and the framework
has security problems as I understand it. 

> > It works relatively well for SD cards: I am not yet convinced that it
> > works as well for USB sticks.
> 
> Balena Etcher works well for me in Debian. I downloaded an appimage from
> their website and I flash my USB drives using Balena Etcher. It is very easy
> to use as well. Therefore, I think that Balena Etcher should be recommended.
> 
> PS: Please CC me (ravi at ravidwivedi.in) in your replies as I am not in the
> mailing list.
> (This is a reply to
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2021/08/msg9.html)
> 

Happy to CC you in this instance since you have expressly requested this.
In general terms, it would be useful to subscribe to a mailing list if you
post a reply to it / engage in discussion on it.

It's not ideal: appimages and flatpaks are also not necessarily ideal.
At the end of the day, it's a file copying app. A 91.2MB zip file of 
random stuff requiring an extra entire framework to support it - meh, there
must be easier, more secure ways.


> --
> Ravi Dwivedi
> https://ravidwivedi.in/
> GPG Keys-> https://ravidwivedi.in/files/ravidwivedi.asc
> Why care about privacy? https://www.socialcooling.com/

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater


- End forwarded message -

Re: Re: Recommend Balena Etcher for creating bootable disks

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 02:38:39AM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:21:18PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> At https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb I think Balena Etcher [1]
> should
> >> be recommended either replacing win32diskmanager or in addition to it.
> This
> >> is very easy to use and also works on Mac OS.
> >>
> >> [1] https://www.balena.io/etcher/
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Praveen
> >>
> >> Note: please cc me on replies
> >>
> >>
> 

Hi

> > No - under no circumstances, in my opinion. It doesn't add very much to
> > what we have.

I stand by this - see also below.
> 
> Support for Mac OS does not count? See the target audience here is not
> people who already have Debian or a GNU/Linux. The main audience is people
> who are currently using Windows or MacOS. For GNU/Linux users cp or dd
> already covers.
> 

If you've got a Mac, you've got software that will deal with it included 
in MacOS. (Or just use dd from terminal - it might not be as fully
featured as the corresponding version in Debian - sorry, I can't check.]

> > It is not stable software. It's distributed as a flatpak so anybody who
> > really wants it can install it. It's an Electron app which means that it's
> > huge and has interesting security problems.
> 
> This is quite normal and widely used, element, slack client, signal etc
> there are so many popular electron based apps. We are giving it as an
> additional option. Yes, there are people who hate electron based apps, but
> they are still widely developed, used and loved by people. Same for flatpak
> or appimage or docker.
> 
I mistyped. It's an appimage. It's 100MB of obscured single file for one 
simple file copy. 

Note: slack, signal are all non-free software and wouldn't be packaged for 
Debian.

> > It works relatively well for SD cards: I am not yet convinced that it
> > works as well for USB sticks.You might as well suggest Raspberry Pi imager
> > from the Raspberry Pi Foundation - their Ubuntu package sadly doesn't
> > work at all on Debian :(
> 
> Again add this as another option.
> 

I have no good means of validating how good or bad the installer is. It's 
obviously being well used by people who are writing Raspberry Pi OS images.
I did use this one on a Windows machine to write Raspberry Pi OS and it
worked for me. I also used it to write an arm64 DVD image to a USB stick
so I know that it worked for me to do that.

> > I have used it, but, to be honest the potential downsides massively
> outweigh
> > the benefits.

> 
> I don't think being electron based is enough to disqualify a useful
> software.
> 

Please look very, very carefully indeed at the security problems with the
Electron framework apps. In my opinion, I'd not want to recommend them but
your choice is your own to make.

> > All the very best, as ever,
> 
> > Andy Cater
> 
> 

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Recommend Balena Etcher for creating bootable disks

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:21:18PM +0530, Pirate Praveen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> At https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb I think Balena Etcher [1] should
> be recommended either replacing win32diskmanager or in addition to it. This
> is very easy to use and also works on Mac OS.
> 
> [1] https://www.balena.io/etcher/
> 
> Thanks
> Praveen
> 
> Note: please cc me on replies
> 
> 

No - under no circumstances, in my opinion. It doesn't add very much to
what we have.

It is not stable software. It's distributed as a flatpak so anybody who
really wants it can install it. It's an Electron app which means that it's
huge and has interesting security problems.

It works relatively well for SD cards: I am not yet convinced that it
works as well for USB sticks.You might as well suggest Raspberry Pi imager
from the Raspberry Pi Foundation - their Ubuntu package sadly doesn't 
work at all on Debian :(

I have used it, but, to be honest the potential downsides massively outweigh
the benefits.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Was: Re: downloading debian [OFFTOPIC - unsubscription instructions]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 03:35:00PM +, PAUL RACCIO wrote:
>  
> UNSUBSCRIBE
> Please.
> Thank you,PaulOn Sunday, August 8, 2021, 10:21:15 AM EDT, David Richmond 
>  wrote:  
>  
>  hi it's unclear whether i need all the files, there are three isos on the 
> download page and no comments about whether i need one of them or  how they 
> are different...!?
> im here because i cant get mint to install.
> im gonna give upo on computers all togethercan you please be human!
>   

Paul

You need to send a mail to debian-cd-requ...@lists.debian.org with a
subject of

unsubscribe

See also https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ and for unsubscription from 
a list via a browser - https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe

All best

Andy Cater

Re: downloading debian

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 10:04:05AM -0400, David Richmond wrote:
> hi it's unclear whether i need all the files, there are three isos on the
> download page and no comments about whether i need one of them or  how they
> are different...!?
> 
> im here because i cant get mint to install.
> 
> im gonna give upo on computers all together
> can you please be human!

If you have reasonable internet bandwidth, the netinst may be all you need.
If not - CD / DVD1 should be enough.

The first CD/DVD is bootable, the second and third are to help you get 
more software if you happen to be disconnected from the internet.

www.debian.org should point you to the file you need. If yours is an
Intel/AMD based machine, then you almost certainly need amd64.

Further questions are probably better directed at debian-user.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Old versions available

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 10:27:41AM -0500, Scott Morton wrote:
> I have some old infomagic CD sets with Debian 1.1 and 2.0, would you be
> interested in copies?
> 
> Regards,
> Scott

It's possible that Sledge has them but if not, depending on where you are,
you could offer to mail them :)

I only say this because I left him a bunch of early CDs: only yesterday I
was explaining hon IRC ow there wasn't a Debian 1.0 and that was the reason 
for codenames. "Oh, that was so long ago"

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

[amaca...@einval.com: Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

- Forwarded message from "Andrew M.A. Cater"  -

Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 11:08:43 +0000
From: "Andrew M.A. Cater" 
To: debian-b...@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:25:17PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> On 11-07-2021 21:11, Paul Gevers wrote:
> > With less than three weeks to go until the tentative release date, I
> > would love to confirm the date by now, but there is a serious issue with
> > crucial infrastructure (cdbuilder.d.o). Apart from this issue (and what
> > it means for solving the debian-installer blocking issues in time), I'm
> > not aware of other blocking issues, so let's hope the teams involved can
> > recover in time.
> 
> Albeit there is some progress, we think it better for the people
> involved to now say that we will *not* release on July 31.
> 
> Unfortunately, that means that we have to start looking for a new date
> again. Assuming what we'll learn in the upcoming week or two is good, I
> propose to already start the list below with two weeks after the
> previous date. Upcoming time is around DebConf, I can imagine it could
> even be an advantage, especially as that's on-line, let's see.
> 
> 14 August (day before DebCamp)
> 21 August (last day of DebCamp)
>   RT: elbrus
> 28 August (DebConf)
>   RT: elbrus
> 4 September
>   RT: elbrus
> 11 September:
>   RT: elbrus
> 
> Paul
> 

Count me for the same as Sledge and Andy Simpkings as far as the 28th goes
and I can't do anything without them. If we do have to postpone until Sept.
it'll be a shame but, hey, it's summer and stuff happens.

All best, as ever,

Andy C.


- End forwarded message -

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, May 30, 2021 at 09:09:28AM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 30-05-2021 06:35, Donald Norwood wrote:
> > On 5/29/21 9:12 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 10:17:55PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote:
> >>> Assuming all goes well
> >>> with RC2 and RC3, we'd be looking at the following candidate release 
> >>> dates:
> >>>
> >>> 26 June
> >>> 3 July
> >>> 10 July
> >>> 17 July
> >>> 24 July
> >>>
> >>> Can you let us know which date work for you and which don't?
> 
> [Steve]
> >> I can do the
> >> 17th and 24th of July just fine.
> 
> Asking a question I think most people know the answer to, but CD without
> Steve is no option? Don't get me wrong, I don't want to push otherwise,
> but I just want to understand the options. So much in Debian is based on
> "rituals", it's not always clear what's needed and what is just (nearly)
> always done in a certain way.
> 
> [Press]
> > Press can do both the 17th and the 24th. Perhaps we add an additional 3
> > dates?
> 
> Yes, let's do that, so the list becomes:
> 
> 26 June
> 3 July
> 10 July
> 17 July [Steve (CD), press]
> 24 July [Steve (CD), press]
> 31 July
> 7 August
> 14 August
> 
> Paul
> 
Images without Steve is _just_ about do-able. [RattusRattus is understudy and
has been doing much of hte work as Steve's deputy for the last couple of 
Buster point releases - but yes, Steve is incredibly useful as the person
who knows / has seen problems before / can hack up fixes mid-point-release].

Not by any chance something we'd want to do at any point, but if the next
meteor were to hit OMGWTFBBQ centrally we might just about be able to cope.

Andy C.

Re: Finding a tentative bullseye release date

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 10:17:55PM +0200, Paul Gevers wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> On 24-04-2021 00:41, Donald Norwood wrote:
> > Indeed, from this and the last few posts in the discussion it reads that
> > perhaps June is the better option for the 'timed' ready when ready
> > release date.
> 
> The progress of fixing the blocking issues in the debian-installer is
> good enough to start thinking again about a tentative bullseye release
> date (see for more details in the quote below). Assuming all goes well
> with RC2 and RC3, we'd be looking at the following candidate release dates:
> 
> 26 June
> 3 July
> 10 July
> 17 July
> 24 July

Any of the above, I think - I only help with the image testing anyway - I
hang around with the smart people like a rock drummer hangs around with
musicians.

Andy C.
> 
> Can you let us know which date work for you and which don't?
> 
> > I think it would allow for extra care to be given in the areas needed
> > and would as Paul suggested allow the larger community to pull
> > together to help resolve some of the issues.
> 
> The installer team needs everybody's help to test the d-i release
> candidates, to see if the issues that are being solved now are handled
> correctly across as many different machines as possible. If anybody has
> better ideas than the wiki page that kibi suggested in his e-mail below,
> then let us know. Otherwise I'll probably see if I can set up something
> like that shortly.
> 

ACK This is really important and we can always do with testers and good 
installation reports.

> Paul
> 

Re: Do MacBook support/need EFI secure boot (Was: Porting the standard image from live-wrapper to live-build)

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 07:25:51PM +0200, Roland Clobus wrote:
> Hello Jeroen and list,
> 
> Now that I'm able to reproducibly build images with live-build, I'm
> looking at missing features in live-build.
> 
> On 17/11/2020 11:03, Jeroen Diederen wrote:
> > On 17/11/2020 10:44 Luca Boccassi wrote:
> >> On 11/11/202 11:54 Roland Clobus wrote:
> 
> >>> live-build:>>> * /EFI/boot contains a 32-bit EFI image on the amd64 
> >>> iso.>>> ** AP:
> Is this needed/correct?
> >> IIRC yes - it's rare, but I think there is hardware out there with>> 32bit 
> >> EFI and 64bit CPUs. > Correct, early MacBooks are of this type.
> I own one, a MacBook 2,1.
> Do you know whether your MacBook 2.1 supports/needs EFI secure boot?
> Currently the live-build generated image does not contain a signed EFI,
> but it could get one with a reasonable amount of effort.
> 
> With kind regards,
> Roland Clobus
> 
https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/
debian-mac-10.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso

[Debliberately broken mid-line] is the image you need - and it may well
also support signed EFI. The Debian CD team don't have this hardware so
have been unable to test this for some time.

All the very best, 

Andy C.

[Part of the team generating Debian images with each release].

Re: 10.9 planning

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 12:33:15PM +, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It's that time again, when we should look at organising the next point
> release.
> 
> Please could you confirm your availability, and any preferences, for
> the following:
> 
> - March 27th
> - April 3rd
> - April 10th
> 
> I'd prefer to avoid April 10th if possible, for slightly selfish
> reasons. :-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Adam
> 

Any of the above will do for me - but also reliant on the rest of the good
people out there :)

All best,

Andy C.

Re: Post-Release Test Results for Debian 10.8 Live KDE i386 on real hardware

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Feb 07, 2021 at 08:49:58PM +0100, Linux-Fan wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> yesterday I participated in the testing of release live DVD images for the
> old i386 architecture.
> 
> Unfortunately, I could not test the KDE live image due to getting a black
> screen (with movable mouse cursor) on the installed as well as live disk.
> Later, I tried the DVD on another i386 machine and this time the GUI worked.
> I also tested the Calamares installer and although installation took very
> long by modern standards :) (~2.5h) it worked successfully. The only (minor)
> issue I experienced was that during the installation, KDE's lock screen (?)
> kscreenlocker_greet would sometimes start causing a black screen similar to
> the one experienced before on the other machine. This could be fixed by
> interactively switching to a VT and killing the kscreenlocker_greet process.
> 
> I currently keep my notes of the tests including screenshots at
> https://masysma.lima-city.de/37/debian_i386_installation_reports.xhtml
> 
> Having newly gained access to the Debian Wiki (thanks again :) ), I imagine
> it would make a lot of sense to move all these records to the Wiki? Are
> there already pages about installation walkthroughs "by screenshots" that I
> could add to? Are there suggestions for the names/paths/structure under
> which such pages might best be created?
> 
> My first idea would be to create a subpage
> Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Buster_r8/1105a and put all the screenshots
> from that test as well as hardware details there, then create a similar page
> Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Buster_r8/1105c etc. I could link these pages
> from the overview table at
> https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Buster_r8
> This is just a basic idea though and I am happy for any better suggestions
> or comments.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Linux-Fan
> 
> öö

Firstly - Thank you very much for coming in and spending time and contributing
meaningful tests yesterday: your effort is very much appreciated, especially
so if you spent 2.5 hours with the Calamares install.

I'm not sure if putting details of the tests for each point release with
screenshots into the wiki would necessarily be helpful. The tests for the 
point releases are ephemeral - as much as anything else, they are a test of
lots of paths through the Debian installer to try many combinations of 
choices of filesystem, for example.

The Debian main website at www.debian.org is going through various editing
processes at the moment. One of the things that does get asked for quite often
is a good explanation of how to install Debian with screenshots: it might be
that this would be a better use of your energy and enthusiasm as it would
have much wider benefit.

I would be happy to work with you to realise this if you think it would be
useful to others. The debian-www team are also looking at ways to improve
the main site.

With every good wish - and thanks once again

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Please lets generate 100 GB images for DB-XL

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 11:14:45AM +0200, Alexey Eromenko wrote:
> one single disc can fir entire Debian in it. Or one flash disk of 128 gig
> capacity.
> -- 
> -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov"

Even with a current Debian mirror on my desk: generating a 16GB .iso from 
jigdo files and checking it takes some time - up to 1/2 hour. There's a law
of diminishing returns here - it will take three or four hours to generate
one image (and no, we won't produce that premade because it will take too much
space on mirrors). 

Why stop at 128G - you can now get 2TB flash disks relatively cheaply... and 
then you run into problems of copying / one potential bad spot ruining a large 
transfer. It's infeasible.

If you _really_ want all of Debian on one disk - use jigdo to create the DVD
images and copy them all to one disk - you'll have all the packages and 
use apt-cdrom to add them all into a cache - Or just create a mirror and copy 
that to a larger disk. A _full_ Debian mirror - all architectures / for all 
stages of release is 1.3TB and debian-cd for the current release (10.7 today) 
for all architectures is 216G - so a 2G external drive would hold it all. 

Note: Debian 10.8 should release tomorrow: some sizes may change but the delta
is unlikely to be significant in total

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Please provide a new disc target: 100 GB M-Disc / full Debian ISO for DoK

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 07:41:46PM +0200, Alexey Eromenko wrote:
> I'm using 100 GB M-Discs for offline Debian installation. This big ISO
> image is also useful for 128 GB Flash Disks / DoKs.
> 
> I don't ask for HTTP download, if it's difficult, but a jigdo image.
> 

As a member of the team testing CD images: it's quite hard to generate / test
the 16G iso and the BD disks in a reasonable amount of time. There's a sense
of diminishing returns beyond BD1 size. If you really need to generate 
machines offline with _everything_ available, we already have the Double layer
blue ray disks as .jigdo files.

The question of what images are needed and worthwhile to generate is generally 
chatted over with every point release. Perhaps a wishlist request for Bullseye?

Just my 0.02

Andy C.

> Thanks in advance,
> -- 
> -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov"
> 

Re: isorecorder

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 02:37:27PM +0100, The7up wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> It looks like isorecorder not available since a while ago. May I remove it
> from the list in w.d.o/faq/CD index page?
> 
> At the same time, rufus (https://rufus.ie/) should be mentioned as a great
> app on Windows to make bootable usb stick from iso (GNU licensing, source
> code available on GitLab).
> 
> Please cc me on the answer, I'm not a member of this list, but you can find
> me on debian-www.
> 
> Zibi

Isorecorder _is_ available but not reliably. When I was trying to pick up the 
failures in http resolution, it was there sometimes and not others. It's only 
supported for Windows versions prior to version 8. 
Probably a good thing to remove but it needs to be removed everywhere it 
occurs: I'd be quite happy to go through and do this

Rufus on the other hand _was_ problematic in the past and w32diskimager works.

Andy C.

Re: Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 07:55:11PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> Dear release team
> 
> There seems to be only one maintainer.
> 

Still true as far as I can see - others have stepped up to test i386 
executables but no more developers.

> Is i386 going to be supportable for the next 3 1/2 years and buildable for
> that long (given that almost all machines are now 64 bit capable and we're
> having to build some packages on amd64 for i386 - per ballombe)?
> 

>From the discussion: we have some choices:

** Continue building i386 as now

** Build a smaller subsystem to facilitate running old i386 binaries

** Build a system using amd64 kernel and 32 bit userland

** Abandon i386 to VMs and emulation

Security support may well be a problem in any event.

> Also asking because this came up over the weekend when working with the Debian
> Images team - no one has real UEFI hardware for i386 and it's becoming harder
> and hader to justify spending too much time on testing of the images as fewer
> and fewer machines can benefit from them.
> 

Most i386 only hardware is obsolescent: there are some numbers of 64 bit 
processor 32 bit firmware, limited memory netbooks out there limited to 4G 
memory

Numbers from popcon may include VMS and emulation.

Some good people on debian-user have been kind enough to test this on real 
i686 hardware: live CDs and the Calamares installer have problems 
working on low memory machines.

> What are your thoughts, collectively? [I did ask one of you as an individual
> but he suggested respectfully and correctly that I should ask you all - thanks
> to him for the polite response].
> 

Have I outlined the alternatives above correctly from my reading of the list?

Are we any closer to a resolution or suggestion of how best to move forward?

> All the very best to you all and with thanks, as ever, for all your work
> 
> Andy C.
> 
And a happy new year to all as well :)

Andy C

Re: Debian install DVD-1 is missing basic API packages

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 11:51:29PM +0100, Debian József wrote:
> Debian dvd-1 has shit ton of bloat but missing important packages such as 
> libasound2-dev which was placed on the dvd-2 for some reason. I dont know who 
> was the trained monke who created this shit but if he has no clue about how 
> even the most basic things work in linux, then he should probably give his 
> position to a blue haired social justice warrior landwhale because even she 
> would make less disaster than these install discs. 
> 
If you have a network connection: everything is an apt command away.

If you don't have a network connection: the packages are approximately ordered
by size and popularity to fit DVDs.

If you have a network connection and can use jigdo, use the 16GB jigdo image
which will give you more than the first DVDs on one USB stick.

The person leading the debian images team has only been doing this for >20 
years so would welcome your expertise to assist if you feel able to help.

Andy C

> 
> 
> Citromail.hu levelezőrendszerből küldve
> 
> Lépj be vagy regisztrálj

Release status of i386 for Bullseye and long term support for 3 years?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

Dear release team

Having participated in the current discussion about 32 bit releases and 
lifetimes in Linux Weekly News (lwn.net) - what's the status of i386 for the
lifetime of Bullseye?

There seems to be only one maintainer.

Is i386 going to be supportable for the next 3 1/2 years and buildable for
that long (given that almost all machines are now 64 bit capable and we're
having to build some packages on amd64 for i386 - per ballombe)?

Also asking because this came up over the weekend when working with the Debian
Images team - no one has real UEFI hardware for i386 and it's becoming harder
and hader to justify spending too much time on testing of the images as fewer
and fewer machines can benefit from them.

What are your thoughts, collectively? [I did ask one of you as an individual
but he suggested respectfully and correctly that I should ask you all - thanks
to him for the polite response].

All the very best to you all and with thanks, as ever, for all your work

Andy C.

Re: Debian DVD disk names

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 08:20:47AM +0200, Tashos Mitusis wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I was looking to install debian on a computer and came across this place:
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-dvd/
> 
> 
> There are three DVDs there and after reading your suggestions up front I
> found out that DVD1 is the actual installer and the other two DVDs are a
> kind of repository for people with slower connections or no internet at all.
> This is great but why are the names of the DVDs something more descriptive
> like DVD-install, DVD-repo1, DVD-repo2.
> 
The team producing CD and DVD images only now produce the first three images 
in order to save space on the mirror machines. The rest are able to be 
generated using jigdo, for example. There are ?? 48 ?? DVDs in all and, as 
it says in lots of places, you only need the first CD or DVD to install a 
basic Debian. Three DVDs will allow you to install a full desktop environment
and additional software away from any internet connection.

For the avoidance of doubt: all source and all binary packages are available
in CD/DVD sized images, but you may have to build the images yourself for DVDs
 beyond 1-3. There is also a 16G .jigdo file to make a larger image to write
direct to USB stick and various Blu-Ray size images.

That's it, really. If you have a local mirror / a fast Internet connection, 
you may be able to use the netinst CD more readily. It is a smaller image, 
but relies on network connection.

Hope this helps,

All the very best,

Andy C.

> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Tashos MItusis
> 
> 

Re: Install Problem

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Nov 05, 2020 at 05:10:16PM -0500, slow_sp...@att.net wrote:
> Dear Steve, et al.
> Thanks for your efforts on trying to bundle non-free with a simple net
> install media.
> 
> I tried it on an HP Pavilion G6 that had Windows 8.1.  Freed up some space
> and gave it a go.
> 
> Everything seems to finish correctly, but upon restart there is no boot to
> grub, no Ethernet network connection and no video.
> 
Which install option did you use? : it is worth trying the advanced option as a 
text install - this will ask you more questions and, if there are problems with
the graphics installation, will allow you to troubleshoot.


> If I press F9 during boot, I can see the Debian option and that takes me to
> grub.
> 

Does the system have secure boot turned on? How was Windows 8.1 installed 
- UEFI or legacy BIOS?

> However, when selecting the first option, I see things trying to load, and
> then get to a blank screen and blinking cursor.
> 
Are there any logs being written anywhere in /var/log?

> Upon trying it again, I choose the advanced options which will boot to a
> terminal prompt, but there is no network connection available.   (connect:
> Network is unreachable)
> 
> It seems that the installer should look to identify the existing hardware
> and let the user confirm the choices and match up non-free drivers that way.
> 
> Thought you'd like to know.
> 
> Regards,
> Michael
> 
> 

Re: Firefox claims i386 images contain virus or malware

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Nov 02, 2020 at 10:41:56AM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > > Previously, this seemed to be caused by another (unrelated) download
> > > from the same server in Sweden.
> 
> Do i understand right that it is not about the ISO and its content but
> rather about other files which are offered by the same server ?
> 
> Back in july i downloaded an amd64 ISO by Debian 10 for testing and got
> the warning once, but not on the second download. So reproducing the
> effect is not easy.
> I'm quite sure that the mirror i used was not in sweden. Do the offending
> files get mirrored to german servers ?
> 
> 
> Mattias Wadenstein wrote:
> > Google has decided that a) annother ancient win95 antivirus binary is evil
> > and b) [worse] a current free software projects' USB-SD-creator.exe is evil.
> 
> If my puzzled theory is right and Google stays as it is, then it might
> become necessary to separate Debian ISOs from software from other worlds.
> 
> If my theory is wrong, please correct me, so i don't spread false rumors
> among the ISO users.
> 

If all else fails, find a Linux box and use jigdo-file and the jigdo-lite 
command to assemble a medium from individual Debian packages.

That works with any mirror, downloads small template files to start the 
process, checksums and verifies images.

It is, in fact, the way that the originals for the CD images are distributed 
and then built on the CD image server itself.

I wrote it up for Planet Debian a while ago - it might be worth checking to 
see if it meets your needs.

All the very best,

Andy C

> 
> Have a nice day :)
> 
> Thomas
> 

Re: Switch default installation image link?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 01:01:29PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> [ Note Reply-To: set to d-devel ]
> 
> Hey,
> 
> For a number of years, we've been linking to the amd64/i386 netinst
> installer image from the front page. I think it's time to just switch
> that to just an amd64 image for stretch now. The vast majority of the
> machines out there are now amd64, and we're asking people to download
> useless stuff in such cases. i386 users can still find an image for
> download.
> 
> I'm *also* tempted to switch from the netinst to the first DVD image
> instead - network connections have improved a lot.
> 

I think that the netinst is most useful to me (actually, for me,
netboot.tar.gz and UEFI boot are working really well).

If you assume that network bandwidth is good for much of the developed
world, netinst is small / quick to download and dd to a USB flash drive.

DVDs take a lot longer to do this :(

All best,

Andy C.


> Thoughts?
> 
> [ Yes, I know that #819664 should fix this but I've not finished
>   working there yet, and at this point it's not going to be ready and
>   translated in 10 days... ]
> 
> -- 
> Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com
> "I used to be the first kid on the block wanting a cranial implant,
>  now I want to be the first with a cranial firewall. " -- Charlie Stross

Re: Updated Debian 7: 7.11 released

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 08:55:29AM +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> Apart of 7.11 CD/DVD images, where are/were the 7.10 ones?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>

http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/7.10.0

or for the current ones

http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdiamge/archive/7.11.0

Split up by architecture - amd64, i386 etc.

Then split up by type

You might want iso-cd or iso-dvd

Hope this helps,

AndyC 

Re: Require Debian 7.6 AMD ISO

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 02:45:40PM +0530, viswanath basu wrote:
> Hi
> ​ Team​
> ,
> 
> 
> 
> Kindly, help me in getting the Debian 7.6 amd ISO . I tried to search in
> this link but unable to locate https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCd.
> 
> 
> 
> If possible if you can put it some ftp site will download the same.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Viswanath

The .iso file you need may be found in the archive section of the cd mirror

https://www.debian.org/wheezy/debian-installer/ will point you to an
up to date copy of the .iso which will install 7.10 - so an up to 
date Debian 7.

Be aware that Debian Wheezy is now old and only supported as a long term 
support release on best endeavours.

Also be aware that it is likely that there will be another release of
Debian 7 media next weekend (June 4th / 5th 2016). This will be
the last scheduled release.

Debian 8.4 is the current Debian stable release - this will also be
updated June 4/5 2016.

This sort of question would be better addressed to the debian-user list
in future.

Hope this helps,

All the best,

Andy Cater

Re: Suggestions for CD images - following CD talk at Debconf [UEFI confusion SOLVED]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 02:22:06PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:
> On Sat, 2015-08-22 at 11:34 +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 08:41:36AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2015-08-21 at 22:26 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > > 

... lots of stuff

> 
> Ian.

Many thanks indeed for this, Ian. You've made this a lot clearer for me.

bootnetx64.efi == grubnetx64.efi == pretty much all of the distributions are 
using Grub of some kind.

I'd seen the Red Hat document before: it proves slightly harder than it looks 
to get it to play nicely.

I was hoping to get something that would seamlessly boot: Debian 8, Ubuntu >= 
14.04 and CentOS7.

Also not quite as easy when I tried this: CentOS7 and Ubuntu 14.04 could both 
work with a custom grub.cfg and
one (Ubuntu) grubnetx64.efi.signed

"Legacy" PXE is much more established than UEFI but I'm guessing we'll all have 
to get used to UEFI only soonest.

All the best,

Andy C

Re: Suggestions for CD images - following CD talk at Debconf

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 08:41:36AM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:
 On Fri, 2015-08-21 at 22:26 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
  
  [Off topic for _this_ list: I've got UEFI netboot working with 
  bootnetx64.efi which is different from the grub etc. for CD/DVD - 
  which is iikely to continue?
 
 I'm not sure what the question is, are you asking if UEFI netboot is
 likely to continue to be supported? I think so, yes.
 
[Extended to debian-efi list because this overlaps]

Sorry, I wasn't being clear:

Legacy PXE boot over the network and UEFI boot don't appear to work 
together well.

If the PXE server is set up to serve pxelinux.0 and you switch your
computers boot mechanism to UEFI rather than CSM compatible/legacy
mode then the process will fail silently and you are left wondering
what you did wrong.

This is now becoming more important with some motherboards not supporting
legacy settings, with the Bay Trail machines having 32 bit UEFI and 64
bit processors - thanks for the fact that this now just works, Sledge.

Different distributions handle this UEFI net booting differently:

CentOS 6 _ought_ to work with bootnetx64.efi - but doesn't appear to for me.

Debian 8 Jessie can use bootnetx64.efi - serve that from your TFTP server
with all the other files from the default debian-installer available in 
/srv/tftp and you get
a text mode install which actually works quite well. 

Ubuntu 14.04 LTS uses grubnetx64.efi.signed and a special grub.conf file. This 
produces a minimal
install but you can then add e.g. ubuntu-desktop.

CentOS 7 can also use a grubnetx64 and a similar grub.conf file. If you invoke 
the right parameters
you end up in a full graphical install.

UEFI installation media - the Jesie netinst.iso, for example, appears to use 
grub - not bootnetx

Are we likely to move to the grubnetx64.efi / grub.conf method for UEFI network 
booting?

 If you are asking if the grub used for CD/DVD is likely you continue to
 differ from the one used for network boot then I'm not sure. It might
 be possible to combine them into one larger grub with all the relevant
 modules, but at the moment they have different prefixes (the place
 where they search for grub.cfg) encoded in the binary, one defaults to
 on the disk (indirectly via a memdisk) and the other looks to the
 network. Combining them would be the subject of some investigation to
 determine if this can be avoided (perhaps using some more advanced
 scripting). I had a brief look at one point and it seemed non-trivial
 (plus I was worried about breaking existing uses)
 
 Ian.
 

Thanks, understood from your perspective: non-trivial at least for trivial 
values of trivial.
Anybody else got any ideas on this or how we will go on from here? I begin to 
feel I'm the 
only person recently who's tried UEFI network booting :)

All the best,

AndyC

Suggestions for CD images - following CD talk at Debconf

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

Sledge et al.

Debian-Live

This week I've used Clonezilla and Gparted - both use Debian Live minimally 
modified - can we do this as one image for those projects?

No more CDs

Yay :)  Still got DVDs - any chance of a dedicated 15.5GB / 31.5GB image to 
write to USB instead of BD for machines that aren't connected to a network?

BD

Size of BD bigger than BD at the moment ?? :(

SD cards for ARM baords

These need to be better publicised ... :)

PXE and UEFI - I've been doing a bit of network booting over UEFI this last 
while: there's a huge confusion between netboot and netinst when you try and 
explain 
this to people new to this sort of thing.

[Off topic for _this_ list: I've got UEFI netboot working with bootnetx64.efi 
which is different from the grub etc. for CD/DVD - which is iikely to continue?
Ubuntu and CentOS 7 appear to use grubnetx64.efi at the moment for UEFI netboot 
- on topic for debian-efi?]

Happy to help write web page, build images, volunteer or do whatever I can :)

All the best,

AndyC

Re: cdimage?? What should we call it?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:19:53PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 01:04:17PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 09:19:07AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
  Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com writes:
  
   We called our main installer images distribution site
   cdimage.debian.org a long time ago, when that was all it published and
   most people downloaded images of CDs. Ummm. Things have moved on in
   the intervening years, and this name is looking more silly over time:
 
 Of course please keep the alias for those of us who have typed it for
 years and no longer think about it.
 
 Of course - I should have added that to my first email. We also don't
 want to break any existing setups.
 
 -- 
 Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com
 I suspect most samba developers are already technically insane... Of
  course, since many of them are Australians, you can't tell. -- Linus 
 Torvalds

apt.debian.org

After all a CD is only a collection of packages :)

[But I would say this, wouldn't I]

Andy C

Re: jessie uefi netinst build 2 test.

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

Just built a machine for someone with mdadm RAID0 and latest of Steve's test 
iso for 32/64 bit UEFI.

MSI gamers motherboard and 2 x 500.1GB drives.

Worked like a charm and very happy with it.

Just dd to a USB stick. The critical thing that had failed for me before was 
that I hadn't got the partitioning right - this time round, I let the auto 
partitioner 
show me the layout for ESP, ext4 partition and swap, then duplicated that on 
the other disk, changing the ext4 partitions to RAID physical.

Then it worked :)

All the best,

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Re: Downloading and installation of 8 CDs and 3 DVDs for just one debian GNU/Linux

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On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 11:21:41AM +0100, John Smith wrote:
 Downloading and installation of 8 CDs and 3 DVDs for just one debian
 GNU/Linux, its too heavy. Rewrite this Operating System in C language and
 make it smaller than one GB. Thanks.
 
 
 John Smith

John,

This is probably off topic for debian-project and better for debian-user
but I'll leave this here so that it can be found by others.

If you have network bandwidth: use one netinst CD - less than 300 MB
to download.

There's a lot to Debian - 30,000 packages to choose from. Lots in C,
some in C++, Ruby, bash script, python ...

If you don't have network bandwidth to download packages directly from
the 'Net, then DVD1 should provide more than enough to build a decent 
working system with common options. 4.4GB maximum.

Copying also to debian-cd so that search engines can find this here too.

All the best,

AndyC


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Re: new tasksel

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On Sun, Sep 07, 2014 at 10:52:27PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
 I have made some significant changes to tasksel, that will need changes
 elsewhere. I plan to upload this to unstable pretty soon, feedback permitting.
 
 Some of the more popular desktop environments are individually
 selectable in tasksel, in a little sub-menu.
 (Of course that's displayed suboptimally due to debconf, wah.)
 (There is still, obviously, a default desktop.)
 


Joey,

It would be handy to have a text only, no X Windows option for servers / small 
development boards.

This would ideally appear as something like: 

(*) Minimal text only install

possibly installing only SSH as an additional service. Ideal for the most 
minimal of server installations.

Something fairly similar to Robert Nelson's installation for console only for 
BeagleBone Black / Ivo's
minimal installation for Cubieboard. This would also make an ideal starter for 
a server install in a datacenter, for
example.

Is there any scope/space for this: essentially only a tiny step up from what 
you'd get by installing using a netinst
without a mirror?

All the very best,

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Beaglebone Black - best way to install Jessie?

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Sorry for cross post to two lists but this seems to cross both.

I've a Beaglebone Black running Debian 7.6 with some wheezy-backports packages. 
This is installed on both the internal eMMC flash and
also 7.6 installed on the SD card. 

What's the best way to get a fresh Jessie onto this. I can update from the 
Internet so could change sources.list and update that way.
Alternatively, I could use the latest installer if this is appropriate.

Advice gratefully received.

All the very best,

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Re: Debion live.

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On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 04:35:26PM +0100, John Sandeman wrote:
 Hi. Steve.
 I want to know if this DVD is ok to use on a 64bit pc with either an amd or 
 intel processor?
 I am trying to learn Linux I do not have any programming knowledge and am 80 
 years old, do you think it is possible to use your live disc for me to do 
 this. Would appreciate your
 Help.
 Regards
 Jack.


This should be fine: the nice thing about using a Live DVD is that you are not 
changing the underlying operating system on the computer running the DVD.

Have fun :)

All the very best,

AndyC


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Re: Embarrassing

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On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 09:40:28PM +0200, John Plate wrote:
 Dear Debien people
 
 I want to burn a CD with netinst from a Windows machine. The
 possibilities mentioned at
 
 https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-unix
 
 is embarrassing
 
 It is bad for people who want to move from Windows to Linux.
 
 Try the tools yourself. Wasn't it possible to make just a little
 commandline tool to copy the iso file to a CD?
 
 Best wishes,
 John
 

If you want to move from Windows - Linux, you have, essentially, three choices:

1.) Buy burned/pressed CD / DVD media.

This is a lot less common these days - we do want to save landfill. Regardless,
there are several vendors who will ship worldwide. Steve McIntyre (part of the 
debian-cd team) certainly used to offer such a service.

The likelihood is that the multi-architecture DVD would do for 80% of all 
possible
installs or possibly just the 300M or so of netinst CD for amd64 - since most 
machines
today are capable of running 64 bit and have been for about five years. People 
could
ask for 32 bit as an exception. One item, anyway.

2. Install Cygwin under Windows and use dd tp write an image to a USB stick

This is straightforward - if you've already installed and used Cygwin, are 
entirely comfortable
with it and know what you're doing. Not feasible for new users.

3. Find a Linux box - any Linux box and use the Linux tools mentioned.

If you've a machine that will boot from USB, a USB stick install is preferable 
to almost anything else
since optical media gets scratched, may have been sat around for months or 
years before you burn it etc. etc.
Goodness, if you know somewone with a Raspberry Pi, you've got a machine that 
will happily write the netinst 
image to a USB.

(4) MS Windows 7 Starter and Home (at least) don't come with CD and DVD buning 
software out of the box.
This keeps third party vendors like Roxio in business. There are lots of 
programs to burn CD/DVD under
Windows - all subtly different and it's far too easy for someone used to drag 
and drop to drop a .iso
file on the CD burning program and end up wtih a CD that won't boot with 
netinst.iso as the file inside it.
The documentation given on the page is not great but is an attempt to explain 
what to do.

Your request for a simple command line tool is understood, but:

A command line program for Windows would, at the very least, require someone to 
open the CMD prompt, be confronted
with a DOS box and type an unfamiliar command properly first time without the 
risk of wiping out their installed 
windows by picking the wrong drive :(

Most of us are not Windows programmers and if you were to do a nice Windows 
program, you'd need an installer, signatures
or approval to get it to run under 64 bit Windows 7 or 8 without throwing up 
warnings, trying to keep up with Windows Blue
or whatever the next yearly iteration would be

The Ubuntu installer had, for a while, an option that would install Ubuntu on a 
Windows machine inside one large file: not
necessarily the best performing. There was also goodbye-microsoft.exe which 
essentially rebooted the machine to a Debian
installer but that was destructive if you wanted to retain dual boot. I'd 
recommend neither of the above if you come across 
them.

All the best,

AndyC







 
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Re: Embarrassing

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On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:12:42AM +0200, Werner Scharinger wrote:
 Hi John,
 
 maybe this works for you:
 
 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/burn-a-cd-or-dvd-from-an-iso-file
 http://www.freeisoburner.com/
 
 or ask google for more.  :-)
 
 regards,
 Werner
 
 Am 21.06.2014 21:40, schrieb John Plate:
 Dear Debien people
 
 I want to burn a CD with netinst from a Windows machine. The
 possibilities mentioned at
 
 https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-unix
 
 is embarrassing
 
 It is bad for people who want to move from Windows to Linux.
 
 Try the tools yourself. Wasn't it possible to make just a little
 commandline tool to copy the iso file to a CD?
 
 Best wishes,
 John
 
 
 

I was wrong: Werner's first link references Microsoft's disk image tool which 
works
perfectly under Windows 7 Home and is a Microsoft product so should be there
with no particular problem.

Text equivalent to that in the first link / a recommendation to use the inbuilt
Microsoft tools should probably go onto the wiki.

All the best,

AndyC


 
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Debian Live CD on USB 3.0?

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Debian Live CD appears to have a problem booting on USB 3.0 ports but boots 
well on USB 2.0 ports. No specifics I'm afraid
because a friend reported this to me fron an HP all-in-one desktop that 
normally runs Windows 8

Has anybody else seen this one, by any chance?

All the very best,

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Re: Proposal: switch default desktop to xfce

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:09:30PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
 Wouter wrote:
 
 The last time I used the full stack of CDs where there was no decent
 alternative option was when I was helping a customer prepare a set of
 installation instructions for a code escrow situation.
 
 Since one of the requirements there was the ability to produce a 100%
 bit-for-bit equal system, anything that used download the current
 version from the Internet was out -- we had to provide actual media
 (CDs, at the time).
 

_VERY_ occasionally these days, I've tried to install Debian on an 
isolated system - DVDs normally - BluRay dd'ed to a USB stick would be more
useful if a computer can boot from USB.

 That was over five years ago, though. Today, I doubt I'd still try to
 use CDs, probably at least DVDs instead.
 
 Yup, that's what I'm thinking too.
 
 Having said that, I do think that providing a limited number of CD
 install images is useful for those cases of retrocomputing where
 installing off DVD is difficult. Other than that...


x86 32 bit / AMD64 netinst as one CD (like the multiarch DVD)

Mac / ARMHF as another CD would be useful.
 
 So... In that situation, would you care about having more than just a
 netinst available for initial booting? Beyond that, people can get on
 the network to a mirror, or to other machines hosting the DVD images.
 

It's a bit of a nuisance if you need non-free firmware for e.g. WiFi
/ server network cards (curse you Intel and Broadcom ...)

Apropos that, the UEFI booting netinst appears not to be able to
add in firmware read from a USB stick - but I could be being very
stupid here ... :)


 I'm thinking we can cut down some more here. Maybe (as Steven
 suggested) we could keep a single bigger CD image around, but I'm not
 100% convinced that it's likely to give us enough beyond the netinst
 to make me care about it. What else would we want/need on a CD to make
 it compelling here?


Hope this helps,

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Re: Bits from the Debian CD team

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On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:23:34AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
 Hi folks,
 
 It's probably time for a quick update on what we've been up to
 lately in terms of producing Debian CD and DVD and (!) BD images.
 
I keep saying I'll mirror these. I will get round to it soon :)
I already keep a Debian mirror handy so can probably help generating
images.

 
 We're also going to be looking for testers very soon to help us verify
 the d-i RC1 and Lenny releases. If you'd like to help, please let us
 know.
 

Yes please: are there any plans to do a final final Etch or do we not 
have to bother about this again. [You wait years for a Debian release 
and then you get two at once :) ]

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Re: too many CD ISOs

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On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 02:47:30PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
 
 Hmmm. I should really finish off jigdoofus - the fuse-based filesystem
 that can build ISO images on the fly from jigdo files and a
 mirror. Then people will have the option to choose between disk space
 for storing the ISOs and CPU/memory for building them on demand.
 
 If only there were more hours in the day... :-/
 
I'm now building DVD's by using jigdo-lite and the .jigdo files.

So far, I've burnt multi-arch, all of amd64 and the first of i386.

What's hard would be finding space to keep them around on top of the 
space used by a mirror. I don't quite fancy rebuilding a machine just 
yet :)

Andy


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Re: Not Bootable CD/DVD in IA64 iso images

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On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 01:05:17PM +0300, Elias Chrysoheris wrote:
Hi :)
 
 I downloaded the DVD iso images of Debian Testing 4.0 for 686, burned them 
 using K3b, and installed it!. Everything is fine. After that, I downloaded 
 the DVD iso images of Debian Stable for IA64 to install it in an Intel Core 
 Duo system. I burned the DVDs using K3b again, but I found out that the DVDs 
 (actually the first one that is intented to be bootable) could not boot. I 
 downloaded the Network installation CD (iso image) but again it was not 
 bootable. Finally, I downloaded the first CD of the CD Installation iso 
 images, burned it, but again it could not boot.
 

Wrong architecture, I'm afraid. ia64 is for the Intel Itanium - which is 
a rare beast on it's own and incompatible with everything else. Unless 
you're very lucky, or you're a major clearing bank needing to chunk vast 
amounts of data, it's almost certain that you'll never come across one in 
the wild :)

Everything AMD/Intel that is 64 bit capable uses the amd64 .iso.
This includes later model Sempron/Turion/Opteron and, of course, AMD64 
and Intel Xeon/Core Duo/Core2 Duo. AMD got there first, so in Debian at 
least, it's amd64 - you may see people reference x86-64 as well.

The Debian distro is purely 64 bit at the moment: you can install some
32 bit libraries for backward compatibility. To get optimum performance
from some legacy 32 bit (particularly Adobe Flash and some other 
multimedia) some people run these in a chroot 32 bit environment.

Hope this helps,

Andy


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Re: Fwd: Not Bootable CD/DVD in IA64 iso images

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On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 01:55:29AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
 
 http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd (paragraph 2)
 

Steve,

Unfortunately, that's not very visible immediately :(

On the page that references the installation guides, can we have put 
after the listings something like

AMD64 [All AMD/Intel 64 bit capable CPUs except ia64] 
x86 [All AMD/Intel 32 bit capable CPUs]
ia64 [Intel Itanium _only_]

to make it slightly more explicit? You and I know it's an FAQ and it
happens all too often, but it doesn't stop it happening :)

Andy


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Re: copy of Lindows

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On Sun, Apr 08, 2007 at 01:59:53PM -0500, Larry bradford wrote:
 i would like a CD  copy of Lindows.
 
Unfortunately, you've posted to the wrong place. This mailing list
is primarily for Debian developers to discuss how to 
build/develop/contents of the Debian installation CDs and problems with 
them. It's not, strictly, a Linux user list except in so far as it 
relates to Debian CDs.

Lindows was renamed to Linspire some time ago following trademark and 
naming problems. It was, initially, a commercial Linux distribution 
based on Debian but with a different bias: to produce a commercial, 
user-friendly distribution with limited choice for novice users and 
those who just wanted Linux to work.

Linspire is now based on Ubuntu, itself a Debian-based distribution. 
For details of any co-operation between them, may I respectfully refer 
you to the Canonical Partner Programme at 
http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/programmetracks or to Canonical Ltd at 
http://www.canonical.com/contact or http://www.canonical.com/webtolead

Linspire is commercial: it will cost you of the order of US$59.95 (or 
$49.95 for a digital download.

There is a free version of Linspire called, somewhat unsurprisingly, 
Freespire which includes fewer commercial software packages and is 
apparently more Open Source compatible. It is available in two versions: 
the default version does offer the choice to allow users to install 
proprietary multimedia codecs and other applications that Debian 
would not consider as being free enough by Debian's own guidelines.
There is also an OSS version.

Freespire is free to download: can I refer you to www.linspire.com or 
www.freespire.org for further details.

None of the above are Debian, though all are ultimately Debian derived.
If I, or anyone else on the list, can help you further with Debian
Linux queries or installation please feel free to ask, though possibly 
the more appropriate mailing list would be debian-user@lists.debian.org

Thank you for your inquiry,

Hope this helps,

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Re: Bug#418103: cdrom: Nearly-obsolete mirror offered

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On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 09:45:22PM +0100, Alex Meaden wrote:
 Package: cdrom
 Severity: normal
 
 The Etch installer offers www.mirror.ac.uk as a mirror for apt. However, this 
 mirror is due to close down in July 2007 
 according to http://www.mirror.ac.uk/ -- should it therefore be removed from 
 the list?
 
!!* That's really annoying. Universities of Kent/Lancaster had this 
taken off them a couple of years ago amid much annoyance at the time 
from academics and others. Now JISC are canning the whole service. 
Thankfully, the University of Kent at Canterbury carried on: they're 
still operating as http://www.mirrorservice.org - which currently maintains 
a full Debian mirror. I've always found them a one stop shop for most 
things and understand the admins to be very helpful when contacted.

It's too late to change now unless we delete it altogether, since we
don't have time to contact UKC.

Unless:

http://debian.virginmedia.com/  

[Telewest trading as Blueyonder used to maintain a Debian mirror and 
it looks as though it's been taken on in full by Virgin Media]

In the interests of full disclosure: I am a Virgin Media customer but 
haven't yet had enough experience with the new management to judge.  

AndyC

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Re: Volunteers wanted to help with final testing of Etch CD/DVD images

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On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 10:01:01AM +0200, Alexander Schmehl wrote:
 Hi!
 
 * Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070405 03:34]:
 
  If you think you may be able to help, reply to this mail (to
  debian-cd) and let me know. Thanks in advance!
 
 I can do some i386 and powerpc tests.
 
Ditto i386, AMD64

AndyC

 
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Re: Dual layer DVD

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On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 02:19:16PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
 [ Sent to both -release and -cd; please respect the reply-to: -cd ]
 
 There's been quite a lot of discussion lately about releasing sarge on
 dual-layer DVD; it's clearly attractive for CD/DVD vendors to be able
 to sell one disc that covers Debian, and for the end user it's much
 easier to boot and install from a single disc with no
 swapping/flipping needed.
 
much useful stuff on sizes snipped
 
 We're going to have to start trimming things if we want dual-layer
 DVDs to work for the sarge release. Suggestions?
 
Already using 2xDVD testing images of binaries to install/upgrade 
machines at work.  Since almost everybody that will be using a DVD 
reader will be using one older than two months old - single sided DVD 
is the answer IMHO.  Two DVD's of binary and probably another 2 of source.  
That way, it's open for some enterprising packager to double up and 
put two disks on each double layer disk as he/she wishes:)

I also had occasion to install a machine from 13 CD's again today: I
even used disk 13 :)  There are a lot more machines around that only
have CD drives: will sarge be 25 disks or some such in CDs once you
include source??

No bloody network access to any external networks at work - the machine 
I was attempting to build was an internet machine to provide net connectivity.  I 
finished a day's work - only to be told they hadn't scheduled the 'phone 
line yet to connect it to :(

Just my 0.02 Euro

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