Re: Updated Debian Ports installation images 2021-09-23
Hi Adrian, ok, works till you select a "non default" option in "Select and Install software". I selected "Debian desktop environment" it fails. Well after finishing the installation manually I also tried mplayer etc and it looks like the binary files are not available to apt-get. Debian could be such a nice and actual OS for our retro hardware if we would just have a "decent" X driver for the most common graphics cards ffb and mach64/radeon. And it looks like not even someone getting paid wants to do it (I would love to it but due to a lack of skills I can just be a sponsor). Cheers Iggi Am 23.09.21, 11:25 schrieb "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" : Hi! I have just built and uploaded updated Debian Ports installation images. These images contain an updated apt-setup package which fixes the APT problem that occurred during installation with the 2021-09-21 images. I have performed a successful test installation on sparc64 and will perform a test on ia64 on my RX2660 later as well. I will provide more images updates in the following days which will contain more fixes such as for the hd-media installation as well as improvements on Apple PowerMac. The images can be obtained from [1]. Thanks, Adrian > [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2021-09-23/ -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Updated Debian Ports installation images 2021-09-23
Hi Adrian, thanks a lot will instantly give it a try on the Ultra 10. Cheers Iggi Am 23.09.21, 11:25 schrieb "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" : Hi! I have just built and uploaded updated Debian Ports installation images. These images contain an updated apt-setup package which fixes the APT problem that occurred during installation with the 2021-09-21 images. I have performed a successful test installation on sparc64 and will perform a test on ia64 on my RX2660 later as well. I will provide more images updates in the following days which will contain more fixes such as for the hd-media installation as well as improvements on Apple PowerMac. The images can be obtained from [1]. Thanks, Adrian > [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2021-09-23/ -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Updated Debian Ports installation images 2021-09-21
Hi Adrian, thanks for the heads up. I will wait for the new image. Cheers Iggi Am 22.09.21, 14:22 schrieb "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" : Hi! On 9/22/21 13:59, James Bond wrote: > May this also lead to not be able (due to an unfished "apt" setup) that > tasksel does not work either? Looks like the sources.list only has the > cdrom entries Yes. The issue should be fixed within the next days when I provide updated installation images. I have already asked the responsible maintainer in the debian-installer team to update the apt-setup package so the bug gets fixed. I'll post new images once the issue has been fixed. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Updated Debian Ports installation images 2021-09-21
Thanks Adrian.
May this also lead to not be able (due to an unfished "apt" setup) that tasksel
does not work either? Looks like the sources.list only has the cdrom entries
Cheers
Iggi
Am 22.09.21, 13:51 schrieb "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz"
:
Hi Iggi!
On 9/22/21 13:49, James Bond wrote:
> Having a look into /var/log/installer I can see.
>
> "Configuring ' apt-setup-udeb' failed with error code 127"
Yes, I have run into this issue as well. It's a result of the package
"debianutils" deprecating the command "tempfile" which apt-setup is
still using in its current version.
The issue has been fixed in Git [1], but the package has not been uploaded
yet.
Adrian
> [1]
https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/apt-setup/-/commit/030daba69277ea3173a6d9424372e40b32ae8101
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Re: Updated Debian Ports installation images 2021-09-21
Hi Adrian, so I gave it directly a try on my Ultra 10 (512MB RAM, 440 MHz, stock PGX24 onboard) and a 20 GB IDE. CD boots fine (less errors than the 10.0 netinst with regards to RTC etc). Installation works till the point where the configuration of the package manager takes place which leads to an "unfinished" installation (did the grub installation afterwards from the menu). Having a look into /var/log/installer I can see. "Configuring ' apt-setup-udeb' failed with error code 127" Best Iggi Ps: Can I run the "debian-installer" from CD again (without booting) Am 22.09.21, 00:34 schrieb "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" : Hello! I just built a fresh set of Debian Ports installation images which are using the latest Debian unstable kernel 5.14.6. The images have not been tested as I currently cannot start my testvm on the SPARC server I usually use for testing, so testing is currently up to the users. Since kernel version 5.12, Linux is finally working on larger ia64 systems such as the RX2800 again where the kernel previously failed to boot. So, if anyone has such a machine and wants to install it, it should now work. On some ia64 machines, it may be necessary to pass the option "hardened_usercopy=off" on the kernel command line. For that, press "e" on the GRUB menu and append the line above without quotes to the boot command. PowerMac installation should also work with these images again, although I haven't tested that yet. Adrian > [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2021-09-21/ -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Bullseye planned on sparc64?
Hi Adrian, so installation worked (still some error messages but it worked). Ok, with my XVR-1200 it looks like no X support at all? startx fails and it looks like "sunffb" is missing which seems to have been removed long time ago (sparc32 to sparc64 migration). I have attached some screenshots. https://ibb.co/swrxBvV https://ibb.co/TBQTDkc Cheers Iggi Am 27.08.21, 20:20 schrieb "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" : > On Aug 27, 2021, at 8:03 PM, James Bond wrote: > > Strange thing, yes, I had /boot with a size of 512MB (as I had in the screenshot). https://ibb.co/P9FfdwS That’s a rather unusual partition layout. I would suggest letting the installer determine the partition layout. Your disk is either not using a Sun partition table or the /boot partition is missing the boot flag. So please try the default partitioning scheme and see if that works. Adrian
Re: Bullseye planned on sparc64?
Hi Adrian, ok, just let me know if you want an XVR-1200 to investigate (if you even have the time to do it) and the required hardware to fit the XVR-1200. Strange thing, yes, I had /boot with a size of 512MB (as I had in the screenshot). https://ibb.co/P9FfdwS Cheers Iggi Am 27.08.21, 19:02 schrieb "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" : > On Aug 25, 2021, at 10:18 PM, James Bond wrote: > > 1). The Intenso CDRs are crap. I burnt a new disc and this one started Grub Yes, good quality CD-Rs are important. > 2). Before retrying to reinstall Debian I had booted into Solaris and thought rit would be a good moment to give Debian a try. And suddenly after loading Grub and some error messages that I have had before as well the installer switched mode and no fizzy screen output! So it looks like the XVR-1200 needs a pre-initialization and then the Debian terminal installer works. Yes, it seems the card needs to be initialized and I assume the Linux kernel driver is missing something here. Firmware maybe which does the initialization? > 4). Is there a size limitation with Debian sparc64? Wanted to install on one of the 146GB internal disks but during portioning I get the "warning" that the disk has "562253" cylinders which is greater than the maximum of "65536". The installer continues but when rebooting from the disk it stops with: > Can't open disk2 There is no size limitation, but if you use GRUB with linked blocklists (anything older that SPARC T4), the partition which contains /boot must not be too large. The installer will normally choose a small, separate /boot partition for that matter. So you run into this issue, it means you either deleted the /boot partition or your /boot partition is larger than a few GB (forgot the exact limit). Adrian
Re: PGX64 driver issue - was: Re: Bullseye planned on sparc64?
Hi Riccardo, ok, so where could we "hire" a graphics driver developer that would be willing (will get paid) to support the SPARC community? At least with a "decent" X support we can do most of the things. And the more people can use it on SPARC we may attract more people to return to the platform. Cheers Iggi Am 27.08.21, 18:44 schrieb "Riccardo Mottola" : Hi, Phillip Stevens wrote: > > > I can only comment on mach64 on 32 bit Sparc, it was working > fine. The > > desktop was reasonably responsive. > > Did you try the mach64 driver that was reintroduced to the Debian > package archive? > > > Not yet. > How are things with it? I think I use it on the iBook G3, which, while not SPARC, is still a Big Endian system. Didn't upgrade since some time. it is an incredibly used chip in its many variations, from laptop to servers with many variants! I'd conribute to a bounty too to improve support for these cards, or test myself on this system. Also the newer RV350 based card I have on mac has issues with textures an artefacts not seen on intel systems. But I don't know if a card based on it was used in Suns. Riccardo
Re: Bullseye planned on sparc64?
Hi Adrian,
so today`s test revealed.
1). The Intenso CDRs are crap. I burnt a new disc and this one started Grub
2). Before retrying to reinstall Debian I had booted into Solaris and thought
rit would be a good moment to give Debian a try. And suddenly after loading
Grub and some error messages that I have had before as well the installer
switched mode and no fizzy screen output! So it looks like the XVR-1200 needs a
pre-initialization and then the Debian terminal installer works.
3). So I tuned my Blade 2500 (silver) off and wanted to reproduce the symptoms.
Booting straight into the Debian CD installer produced the frizzy screen output
I had before. I booted into Solaris, rebooted and then redid the Debian
installation and no frizzy output with the installer.
4). Is there a size limitation with Debian sparc64? Wanted to install on one of
the 146GB internal disks but during portioning I get the "warning" that the
disk has "562253" cylinders which is greater than the maximum of "65536". The
installer continues but when rebooting from the disk it stops with:
Can't open disk2
Warning: Fcode sequence resulted in a net stack depth change of -24
Evaluating: the file just loaded does not appear to be executable.
https://ibb.co/8jkCMPg
https://ibb.co/GxGTGFg
https://ibb.co/f9p0mFr
https://ibb.co/HhNGf3k
https://ibb.co/P9FfdwS
Btw. If you would like to investigate the XVR-1200 initialization problem I
could send you one of my XVR-1200 that are within the big box blades.
Cheers
Iggi
Am 24.08.21, 15:33 schrieb "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz"
:
Hello James
On 8/24/21 3:31 PM, James Bond wrote:
> tested on Sun Blade 1500/2500 (both silver) with an XVR-1200.
>
> The "older" image at least booted to the point where you have the
scribbled
> screen, the "latest" iso does not even come that far. On both machines.
I need some error messages.
It's not really possible to diagnose the problem without more information.
Also, you can try a slightly older image.
Adrian
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Re: Bullseye planned on sparc64?
Hi Adrian, sorry for the confusion (James Bond is not my real name, just used for gmail __) Ignacio aka Iggi is my name. Ok, I am back tomorrow in my retro office and will dump what happens after the "boot cdrom" command .. but as I said there is not much more than what I wrote with regards to not finding "kernel/unix". Details will follow. It would be awesome if we can find a developer that would be willing to provide DRM drivers for at least those sparc64 machines that are still available .. well then I can at least can watch "James Bond" on my SPARCs __ What do you mean by "slightly older"? I did find the one where you provided the link and the "old" one that generates the frizzy screen. Cheers Iggi Am 24.08.21, 15:33 schrieb "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" : Hello James On 8/24/21 3:31 PM, James Bond wrote: > tested on Sun Blade 1500/2500 (both silver) with an XVR-1200. > > The "older" image at least booted to the point where you have the scribbled > screen, the "latest" iso does not even come that far. On both machines. I need some error messages. It's not really possible to diagnose the problem without more information. Also, you can try a slightly older image. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Bullseye planned on sparc64?
Hi Adrian,
tested on Sun Blade 1500/2500 (both silver) with an XVR-1200.
The "older" image at least booted to the point where you have the scribbled
screen, the "latest" iso does not even come that far. On both machines.
Cheers
Iggi
Am 24.08.21, 15:12 schrieb "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz"
:
Hello Iggi!
On 8/23/21 10:51 PM, James Bond wrote:
> Sorry for the late reply but I managed to test today and the most
> recent snapshot I downloaded does not even manage to boot grub.
>
> Fails with not finding kernel/unix.
What kind of machine is that? The recent images should all work unless
you have a very old or exotic SPARC machine.
Adrian
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Re: Bullseye planned on sparc64?
Hi Adrian, Sorry for the late reply but I managed to test today and the most recent snapshot I downloaded does not even manage to boot grub. Fails with not finding kernel/unix. Cheers Iggi Am 17.08.21, 23:00 schrieb "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" : Hello Iggi! On 8/17/21 8:41 AM, James Bond wrote: > Well at the moment the 10.0 installer (debian-10.0-sparc64-NETINST-1.iso dated 2018) > does not work on machines with XVR-1200 installed. On both the SB1500 and SB2500 > (both with equipped with XVR-1200) the installer produces a frizzy screen output > when the installer switches the text mode (initial language setup) and changing > screen mode (1024 up to 1920) did not solve the problem. Please pick any of the newer images from the snapshots folder [1] as the 10.0 images are ancient and they actually aren't stable releases despite what the folder name implies. Adrian > [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/ -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Bullseye planned on sparc64?
Would also „fund“ a DRM developer if we get someone willing to do so. Cheers Iggi Von: Phillip Stevens Datum: Mittwoch, 18. August 2021 um 02:57 An: James Bond Cc: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz , "debian-sparc@lists.debian.org" Betreff: Re: Bullseye planned on sparc64? Yes, I'd also love (pay) to have decent graphics support. I migrated my Ultra 5 to Sparc64 in 2018<https://feilipu.me/2018/04/14/old-sunshine-migrating-ultra5-to-sparc64/> and since then hardly turned it on. The graphics are a real weak point. I've both PGX-64 and XVR-100 graphics, and also tried a bunch of x86 PCI cards with no luck. Would a bug bounty be a way forward? Phillip Iggi wrote: Hi Adrian, Btw as I am not sure on Suns, would it be possible to add a supported (aka accelerated) PCI non Sun (so no OBP firmware on the card) graphics card to the Suns to be able use X in a "decent" way? As I cannot imagine that we will ever have a supported Sun graphics card (XVR-100, 600, 1200) within Debian.
Re: Bullseye planned on sparc64?
Hi Adrian, thanks a lot for the information. I download a new image (think the last one from June this year) and will give a try tomorrow on my Blades. Will keep you updated. Btw as I am not sure on Suns, would it be possible to add a supported (aka accelerated) PCI non Sun (so no OBP firmware on the card) graphics card to the Suns to be able use X in a "decent" way? As I cannot imagine that we will ever have a supported Sun graphics card (XVR-100, 600, 1200) within Debian. Cheers Iggi Am 17.08.21, 23:00 schrieb "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" : Hello Iggi! On 8/17/21 8:41 AM, James Bond wrote: > Well at the moment the 10.0 installer (debian-10.0-sparc64-NETINST-1.iso dated 2018) > does not work on machines with XVR-1200 installed. On both the SB1500 and SB2500 > (both with equipped with XVR-1200) the installer produces a frizzy screen output > when the installer switches the text mode (initial language setup) and changing > screen mode (1024 up to 1920) did not solve the problem. Please pick any of the newer images from the snapshots folder [1] as the 10.0 images are ancient and they actually aren't stable releases despite what the folder name implies. Adrian > [1] https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/ -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Bullseye planned on sparc64?
Hi Connor, thanks for the feedback. Well at the moment the 10.0 installer (debian-10.0-sparc64-NETINST-1.iso dated 2018) does not work on machines with XVR-1200 installed. On both the SB1500 and SB2500 (both with equipped with XVR-1200) the installer produces a frizzy screen output when the installer switches the text mode (initial language setup) and changing screen mode (1024 up to 1920) did not solve the problem. Cheers Iggi Von: Connor McLaughlan Datum: Dienstag, 17. August 2021 um 00:14 An: James Bond Cc: "debian-sparc@lists.debian.org" Betreff: Re: Q: Bullseye planned on sparc64? Hi Iggi, there are no stable releases for the unofficial ports. You have to follow sid if you install a machine with the netinst-iso... This is currently very close to bullseye but will follow the next sid again and deviate. Also i am still trying to get my old Suns (Ultra 10, Ultra 25, Blade 100, Blade 2000) working with debian in a stable way. On Ultra 25 and Blade 100 i have problems with the latest kernels 5.9-5.10 where USB is not working for me. Therefore i am using kernel 5.8. Maybe this is fixable by using a certain USB quirks switch for the kernel, but i have not researched yet if there is a suitable one. The main problem with debian on my machines is however, that after intensive workload for 2-3 days, my partitions get corrupted into an unfixable state and i have to reinstall debian. I have tried various things to find the culprit, but the logs are inconclusive apart from partitions not getting unmounted successfully at shutdown. Currently i suspect systemd as the cause and have switched to sysvinit for testing. I think i can rule out hardware errors, because NetBSD and Solaris run rock solid on those machines without an issue and the issue is similar across several of the old machines. From the reports of other users T1+ are told to be stable and not showing this instability. So feel free to test i guess. Any usage should be welcome. Regards, Connor On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 11:02 PM James Bond mailto:bond6...@googlemail.com>> wrote: Dear all, As I do have several Blades 150/1500(silver)/2500(silver)/2500(red) I would kindly offer to test on them if you need my help. Graphic cards currently in use are XVR-100 (B150) and XVR-1200 (B1500/2500). Cheers Iggi
Q: Bullseye planned on sparc64?
Dear all, As I do have several Blades 150/1500(silver)/2500(silver)/2500(red) I would kindly offer to test on them if you need my help. Graphic cards currently in use are XVR-100 (B150) and XVR-1200 (B1500/2500). Cheers Iggi
