Poglema con `umask'.
Hola, creo que el funcionamiento de umask no le he entendido del todo bien... si pongo `umask 077', cuando creo un nuevo archivo queda con permisos 600. O sea, 077 es octal, ¿verdad?, que en binario queda 11. Es decir, que eso hace que los permisos para grupo y resto por defecto pasan a 00, ¿es eso? Entonces dejo 077 para root, y intento poner la cifra octal que deje a los usuarios con permisos por defecto para nuevos archivos en 640. Eso, según mis cálculos, sería 037 en octal... Pero con `umask 037' los ficherops me quedan con permisos 644. Lo más curioso es que haciendo: $ umask -S u=rwx,g=r,o= que parece lo correcto (640), :-? Eso es todo. Saludos. -- Cosme = -=-=- A través de Debian GNU/Linux -=-=- -=-=- Software Libre -=-=- -=-=- Computadora de 1992 -=-=- http://www.linux.org/ S.O. Multi-[plataforma, tarea, usuario] http://www.gnu.org/Free Software Foundation http://lucas.hispalinux.es/ Documentación en Castellano =
Re: Suck en Debian
El Tue, Apr 06, 1999,
Han Solo...
Resulta que el script /usr/lib/suck/get.news.innxmit, que es
el encargado de bajar y subier las news en RedHat, en Debian
no existe.
/etc/suck/get-news.conf
/usr/sbin/get-news.inn
Te pongo algunas líneas críticas:
ETCDIR=/etc/suck# location of sucknewsrc* and killfile*
BINDIR=/usr/bin # base directory for suck rpost and testhost
SBINDIR=/usr/sbin # base directory for scripts
NEWSDIR=/usr/lib/news # base directory for news binaries
SPOOLDIR=/var/spool/news# base directory for articles to be rposted
INNXMIT=${NEWSDIR}/bin/innxmit # location of INNXMIT
CTLINND=${NEWSDIR}/bin/ctlinnd # location of CTLINND
SUCKDIR=/var/lib/suck # location for suck files
Y del `get-news.conf':
server: localhost
remoteserver: diana.bcn.ttd.net
outgoingfile: diana.bcn.ttd.net
sedcmd: /^NNTP-Posting-Host:\|^Xref:/d
Saludos.
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Re: Ajustar la hora del sistema a la hardware
El Mon, Apr 05, 1999, Oscar Ferrero Guerra... Estoy hecho un lio con el tema de la hora en linux-debian. ¿Y quien no lo ha estado alguna vez? ;-) Mi configuración, que parece que funciona sin problemas, después de unos dias locos cuando se cambio a horario de verano aqueí en europa, es como sigue: Editas `/etc/default/rcS' para que tengas estas dos líneas: # Set GMT=-u if your system clock is set to GMT, and GMT= if not. GMT= Mi `/etc/init.d/hwclock.sk' lo tengo así: # # hwclock.shSet and adjust the CMOS clock. # # Version: hwclock.sh 1.00 22-Jun-1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] # . /etc/default/rcS if [ ! -f /etc/adjtime ] then echo 0.0 0 0.0 /etc/adjtime fi if [ -x /sbin/hwclock ] then [ $GMT = -u ] GMT=--utc hwclock --adjust $GMT hwclock --hctosys $GMT else [ $GMT = --utc ] GMT=-u clock -a $GMT fi # # Now that /usr/lib/zoneinfo should be available, # announce the local time. # if [ $VERBOSE != no ] then echo echo Local time: `date` echo fi O sea, de serie. Pues lo que hice fue: 1. Borré el `/etc/adjtime'. 2. Puse en hora el reloj del hardware (hora local) # hwclock --set --date=05/04/99 16:45:05 3. Desde el directorioo `/etc/init.d/', [anarres]/etc/init.d# ./hwclock y parece que funciona... $ date 11:09:24 martes, 06 de abril de 1999 Que es `mi' hora local (con el correspondiente `alias' para el `date'). Saludos. PD: A mí, lo que realmente me gustaría es, en la era de la aldea global (20% población mundial con teléfono), pues que mi correo y news llevasen la hora GMT correcta, y así el destinatario(a) pueda deducir con facilidad cuanto hace que se envió (o terminó) el mensaje, y los lectores de correo/news no se lien al construir los hilos. Ya se que es solo un detalle, :-) O sea, el reloj hardware puesto con la hora GMT, el sistema con la local (CEST ¿?), y que el MTA ponga la cabecera con la hora GMT correcta, ¿no? -- Cosme = -=-=- A través de Debian GNU/Linux -=-=- -=-=- Software Libre -=-=- -=-=- Computadora de 1992 -=-=- http://www.linux.org/ S.O. Multi-[plataforma, tarea, usuario] http://www.gnu.org/Free Software Foundation http://lucas.hispalinux.es/ Documentación en Castellano =
Re: rc.d
El Tue, Apr 06, 1999 at 04:47:47PM +0200, M. Angel Esteban dijo: Holas! He leído en la doc del dhis que he de poner una linea en el fichero rc.d de mi sistema pero... ay sorpresa! En la debian no se llama asins :(( Alguien sabe ande lo tendría que poner? En un archivo de /etc/init.d/, o para ser más sano, un shell script en /etc/rc.boot/ -- Ugo Enrico Albarello López de Mesa| POWERED BY | www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] | DEBIAN GNU/LINUX 2.1 | www.gnu.org - Always Free, Always Cool, Always Linux
Re: Acentos, eñes y demás zarandajas...
Usando una fuente ISO-8859-15 que lo incluye y es practicamente igual a la ISO-8859-1 al menos en lo referente a laos caracteres españoles. Tendras que modificar tambien el mapa de teclado de la consola y de Xwindow. Hay un paquete con fuentes y los mapas en: ftp://jaguar.nfrance.com/pub/linux/french/EURO-1.5-beta1.tar.bz2 Vale, me bajé ese paquete pero no sé, me da que puede traerme problemas. Quiero decir, imagino que tendré que cambiar todas las definiciones de iso-8859-1 que tenga en los ficheros de profile, y aún así ... ¿qué hay del resto de los programas? ¿tengo que mirar uno a uno? En principio no deberia ser complicado: El paquete incluye una fuente de consola que una vez cargada afectara a todos los programas en modo texto. Hasta donde yo se las unicas modificaciones que requiere el keymap es añadir un par de entradas para que AltGR+e genere el codigo asociado al simbolo del euro y AltGr+c el del centimo. En Xwindows si tendras que especificar la fuente aplicacion por aplicacion o jugar con los xresources para establecer uno global que al menos te funcione con todas los progs Xaw y derivados. Respecto a las definiciones ISO8859-1 es posible que no tengas que tocarlas al ser los dos charsets virtualmente iguales (quiza no te vaya el caracter ae o algo asi). En fin, dentro de poco sabras mas que yo del tema seguramente ;-) Saludos David Requena.
Re: NT y LINUX
Han Solo wrote: On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 03:58:17PM +0200, Ramiro Alba wrote: > > Tenemos Windows NT 4.0 instalado en una particin del primer disco y en > otra(s) > particiones del mismo disco instalamos Debian y onfiguramos Lilo para > que arranque de los 2 sistemas. El arranque de Linux ningn problema > pero el de NT comienza bien hasta que aparece la pantallita azul y > despues de unos 10 segundos falla estrepitosamente. Esto no ocurre si el > disrectorio root de Linux esta en una particion de otro discos. Si no es > el caso, me he visto obligado a poner el Lilo en disket para el > arranque dual. Hasta donde he podido me mirado la documentacin de Lilo > a fondo, pero no he dado con la causa. Alguien sabe que demonios pasa? > Yo lo planteara de otra manera, que es la que a mi me ha funcionado: instalas lilo en la particin que va contener a linux, siempre por debajo del cilindro 1024 y en disco master. Luego copias el sector de arranque de linux en un fichero, con dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/bootsect.lnx bs=521 count=1 (suponiendo que linux est en hda2). Lo siguiente es copiar el archivo /bootsect.lnx a c: Si c: es una particin ntfs, tendrs que copiarlo primero en un disco. Entonces editas el archivo boot.ini, que es (hablo de memoria) hidden,read-only,system. Antes de editarlo tendrs que cambiarle los atributos, pero luego acurdate de dejarlos como estaban. Como deca, editas el fichero y aades la lnea c:\bootsect.lnx="Linux" Con esto, sers capaz de arrancar linux desde el cargador de NT. Funciona perfectamente (doy fe); el nico inconveniente es que cada vez que retocas el lilo, tienes que copiar el sector de arranque de nuevo. Todo esto viene mejor explicado en el howto Linux+NT+loader (creo que se llamaba as) y en el nmero 5 de Linux Actual. -- Un Saludo Han Solo The Rebel Alliance Conecto, luego existo. Desconecto, luego insisto. Soy usuario de infobirria+ P.D. La firma no es ma, sino de uno que trabajaba, precisamente, en M$. Vivir para ver. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Esa solucin es perfectamente vlida, pero creo que pierdes la funcionalidad del cargador LILO. Copia el contenido de lo siguiente y ajustalo a tus necesidades, lo importante es que la particin de instalacin del sector de arranque de LILO sea la que corresponde al File System root de linux, de sta forma puedes mantener los 2 cargadores (LILO y NT Loader) en 2 niveles y desde LILO o bien lanzar Debian o el NT Loader. boot=/dev/hda2 compact prompt install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map vga=normal # Imagen lanzada por defecto other=/dev/hda1 label="Windows NT 4.0" table=/dev/hda image=/vmlinuz label="Debian 2.0 Hamm" root=/dev/hda2 read-only Lo anterior me funciona perfectamente sobre un portatil, disco de 4 Gb y particiones de NT (NTFS) de 1.5 Gb y 512 Mb. Espero que les sea de ayuda. begin:vcard fn:Manuel Batista Dominguez n:Batista Dominguez;Manuel email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:928 29 64 50 x-mozilla-cpt:;0 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: NT y LINUX
On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Manuel Batista Dominguez wrote: nbsp; Esa solucioacute;n es perfectamente vaacute;lida, pero creo que pierdes la funcionalidad del Bcargador LILO./B BRBnbsp;/B Copia el contenido de lo siguiente y ajustalo a tus necesidades, lo importante es que la particioacute;n de instalacioacute;n del sector de arranque de LILO sea la que corresponde al File System root de linux, de eacute;sta forma puedes mantener los 2 cargadores (LILO y NT Loader) en 2 niveles y desde LILO o bien lanzarnbsp; Debian o el NT Loader. Pboot=/dev/hda2 BRcompact BRprompt BRinstall=/boot/boot.b BRmap=/boot/map BRvga=normal BR# Imagen lanzada por defecto BRother=/dev/hda1 BRnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; label=Windows NT 4.0 BRnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; table=/dev/hda BRimage=/vmlinuz BRnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; label=Debian 2.0 Hamm BRnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; root=/dev/hda2 BRnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; read-only comment No mandes HTML a la lista, please, que queda feo. /comment Podrias explicar un poco mejor lo que dices aqui? Si leo bien, el bootloader del LILO lo pones en /dev/hda2. Por lo cual, al arrancar, el bootloader que se cargaria es el que sigue estando en el MBR, el de WinNT (suponiendo que NT fue instalado antes que Linux). O donde me equivoco...? Y si es asi, que ventaja hay en tener una seccion para WinNT en lilo.conf? Supongo que lo mejor seria poner LILO en el MBR (i.e., boot=/dev/hda), y tenerlo asi de master bootloader. Qué creeis? Pero, en ese caso, sabe alguien como guardar el MBR original (el bootloader de NT), por si interesa dejarlo como estaba en un futuro? JL = Jose L. Marín [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dept of Maths [EMAIL PROTECTED] Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS, U.K. Phone: +44 131 451 3893 Fax: +44 131 451 3249 Former address: Dept. de Física de la Materia Condensada Facultad de Ciencias, Universidad de Zaragoza 50009 Zaragoza, SPAIN =
Fuente no encontrada
Hola lista, me ha ocurrido un problema utilizando el JDK1.2 para Linux con mi distribución Debian 2.0. El problema está en que al ir a ejecutar una aplicación que tengo hecha, me sale un mensaje de que no encuentra una fuente especificada en la aplicación. Sin embargo, sí me ejecuta la aplicación, pero con otras fuentes de letras. El mensaje exacto es: Font specified in font.properties not found [--zapf dingbats-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific] He estado probando a instalar las distintas fuentes que vienen con mi Debian, pero no me ha funcionado. Sin embargo, al ejecutar dicha aplicación bajo Windows con el JDK1.2 para Windows no me sale dicho mensajito. ¿Puede estar el problema en que el JDK1.2 para Linux es una Pre-Release y que además ha sido compilado con la Debian 2.1? Espero vuestras sugerencias, gracias.
Re: NT y LINUX
Hola que tal. Veo que el tema se animo. Lo primero que yo intente fue instalar primero NT y despues LINUX pero al poner LILO en el MBR, NT ya no puede arrancar ya que necesita su propio MBR, es decir el boot loader de NT, me temo que NT usa el boot loader para algo o es una nueva conia de M$ para no facilitar la instalacion de otros sistemas.
Re: rc.d
On mar, abr 06, 1999 at 04:47:47 +0200, M. Angel Esteban wrote: Holas! He leído en la doc del dhis que he de poner una linea en el fichero rc.d de mi sistema pero... ay sorpresa! En la debian no se llama asins :(( Alguien sabe ande lo tendría que poner? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ls -l /etc/init.d/dhid -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 61 feb 17 00:48 /etc/init.d/dhid [EMAIL PROTECTED] cat /etc/init.d/dhid #!/bin/sh echo Ejecutando /etc/dhis/dhid... /etc/dhis/dhid Saludos. -- Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NT y LINUX
On mié, abr 07, 1999 at 11:23:30 +0100, Jose Marin wrote: Supongo que lo mejor seria poner LILO en el MBR (i.e., boot=/dev/hda), y Si tenerlo asi de master bootloader. Qué creeis? Pero, en ese caso, sabe alguien como guardar el MBR original (el bootloader de NT), por si interesa dejarlo como estaba en un futuro? Mete un disquete formateado y haz... 'dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/fd0/MBRwinNT bs=512 count=1' De esta forma si la pifias no tendrás por qué alarmarte, simplemente: arranca con el disco de arranque y reestablece la MBR de WinNT mediante: 'dd if=/dev/fd0/MBRwinNT of=/dev/hda bs=446 count=1' Saludos. -- Javier Viñuales Gutiérrez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fuente no encontrada
Manuel, De los archives de la lista java-linux (los puedes encontrar en algun lugar de java.blackdown.org): For the font problems: look on the website of www.blackdown.org: Copy the 2 ghostscript fontfiles in the jre/lib/fonts directory and add these 2 font files in the fonts.dir De otro mensaje: You need to install the URW fonts. These are nice, scalable fonts. The web page has documentation on installing them. http://www.gimp.org/fonts.html Como el error dice que falta un font --zapf dingbats y no un --urw, creo que tu problema va mas bien por el primero. Saludos, -Mario. Manuel Jerez Cßrdenes wrote: Hola lista, me ha ocurrido un problema utilizando el JDK1.2 para Linux con mi distribución Debian 2.0. El problema está en que al ir a ejecutar una aplicación que tengo hecha, me sale un mensaje de que no encuentra una fuente especificada en la aplicación. Sin embargo, sí me ejecuta la aplicación, pero con otras fuentes de letras. El mensaje exacto es: Font specified in font.properties not found [--zapf dingbats-medium-r-normal--*-%d-*-*-p-*-adobe-fontspecific] He estado probando a instalar las distintas fuentes que vienen con mi Debian, pero no me ha funcionado. Sin embargo, al ejecutar dicha aplicación bajo Windows con el JDK1.2 para Windows no me sale dicho mensajito. ¿Puede estar el problema en que el JDK1.2 para Linux es una Pre-Release y que además ha sido compilado con la Debian 2.1? Espero vuestras sugerencias, gracias. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- __| Mario Camou __-- --___ | Chief Technology Officer _-| - _ --_| Umbral Global, SA de CV - | | O | -___ ___ | | | |__^-' | | |\ /| | | | | /\ || mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -_ | | ^ | | | | | | |-- |--- /--\ || phone:+52(5)251-1928 -| _| | || \___/ | | |___| | \ /\ |___ | fax:+52(5)245-1804 |_--___ ___-- | - | http://www.umbral.com
RE: AWE64 pnp
La configuracion que tenia en el /etc/isapnp.conf era la correcta, el problema lo tenia en la carga de los modulos (actualice el kernel a 2.2.1 y no lei la documentacion ... que indica que hay que actualizar las modutils). Me queda por resolver un problemita con el midi que no me funciona aun. Gracias a todos. Miguel Angel Velando wrote: Hola a todos, Soy nuevo en Linux y estoy tratando de reemplazar mi W95. No he tenido mayores inconvenientes con la instalacion las X 3.3.3.1, WordPerfect8, Netscape 4.08, etc pero no consigo hacer funcionar la placa de sonido Soundblaster AWE64 PnP. Alguien ha tenido alguna experiencia con este modelo? Desde ya, gracias Miguel Velando -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Yo tengo el mismo modelo de tarjeta, y siguiendo el AWE-HOWTO no tuve ningún problema para configurarla. Aparte de la configuración del PNP es exactamente igual que si tuvieras una AWE 32. El único problema que hay es que el pnpdump no detecta los tres puertos del EMU8000, pero eso lo tienes explicado en el HOWTO. Un saludo -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Tamano de las letras de XTerm
Andres Seco Hernandez wrote: No me salen menus haciendo click y ctrl en ningun sitio de xterm, ni en el icono, ni en la mini ventana. Lo unico que consigo de menus de xterm esta en attributes del menu de la ventana de xterm, pero no veo nada de fuentes ahí. Es pulsando Control primero, y sin soltarlo, el ratón después :) y en el menú que sale pone 'VT fonts' arriba y abajo las opciones son Big, Small, medium y cosas asi, funciona en todos los window managers que he probado, a no ser que uses rxvt, aunque creo que ahi tb funciona. -- Saludos CubikIce windows98: a 32 bit front end to a 16 bit patch on an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company without 1 bit of decency
Re: Configurar Canon BJC-210
Josu Arenas wrote: Tengo una Canon BJC-210 y Debian 2.0 Hamm. He instalado el magicfilter y puesto la impresora como bj-200, tengo el gs-aladdin 5.10-9. El texto plano imprime bien, pero al imprimir postscript me saca basura... Es normal, yo tengo una BJ-200 y a mi el magicfilter me funciona perfecto, el problema es que la BJ-200 es una impresora en blanco y negro y las BJC son todas a color. Alguien podria echarme una mano?? Si alguien tiene una canon bjc-210 y la ha echo funcionar puede mandarme aunque sea el /etc/printcap??? Sorry, pero no tengo una BJC-210. -- Saludos CubikIce windows98: a 32 bit front end to a 16 bit patch on an 8 bit operating system written for a 4 bit processor by a 2 bit company without 1 bit of decency
GIMP 1.1.3 em Portugues
Ola pessoal, Terminei hoje a tradução do potfile do GIMP 1.1.3, e já mandei pra revisão. Em breve você poderão achá-lo na págine da LIE-BR: http://lie-br.conectiva.com.br E divirtam-se com o GIMP brasileirinho :) -- Ja ne, Marcus Brito Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Que o amor não seja imortal, posto que é chama, Mas que seja infinito enquanto dure. -- Vinicius de Moraes
Re: GIMP 1.1.3 em Portugues
Oi marcus, fiquei curioso, sera que vc podia me esclarecer o que vem a ser um potfile ?? significa que se eu baixar um gimp ( eh claro depois que for revizado ) ele estara em portugues?? que magica eh esta?? Atenciosamente, Clovis Sena -Mensagem original- De: Marcus Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org Data: Quarta-feira, 7 de Abril de 1999 01:55 Assunto: GIMP 1.1.3 em Portugues Ola pessoal, Terminei hoje a tradução do potfile do GIMP 1.1.3, e já mandei pra revisão. Em breve você poderão achá-lo na págine da LIE-BR: http://lie-br.conectiva.com.br E divirtam-se com o GIMP brasileirinho :) -- Ja ne, Marcus Brito Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Que o amor não seja imortal, posto que é chama, Mas que seja infinito enquanto dure. -- Vinicius de Moraes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Onde comprar debian no Brasil
Ola, Gostaria de saber aonde posso conseguir uma cópia da distribuição debian aqui em São Paulo. []'s Eduardo
Re: Onde comprar debian no Brasil
On Apr 07, Eduardo Dias decided to present us with: Gostaria de saber aonde posso conseguir uma cópia da distribuição debian aqui em São Paulo. Fiquei sabendo hj dessa empresa: http://www.linuxstore-br.com/ mas infelizmente eles ainda não têm o Debian 2.1 []s, |alo + -- I am Lalo of deB-org. You will be freed. Resistance is futile. http://www.webcom.com/lalo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp key in the web page Debian GNU/Linux --http://www.debian.org
linux at ibm
O novo site linux at ibm: http://www.software.ibm.com/is/mp/linux/index.html t+ Clovis
Re: O que é um potfile (Era: GIMP 1.1.3 em português)
- Oi marcus, - - fiquei curioso, sera que vc podia me esclarecer o que vem a ser um potfile - ?? significa que se eu baixar um gimp ( eh claro depois que for revizado ) - ele estara em portugues?? que magica eh esta?? - - Atenciosamente, - Clovis Sena Clovis, um potfile é uma vantagem dos programas internacionalizados com o GNU gettext; todas as mensagens do programa são retiradas de seu código fonte, e reunidas em um potfile -- que é um arquivo de mensagens, e que pode ser facilmente traduzido sem que se saiba nada sobre programação. Você pode então baixar o GIMP 1.1.3 (ou maior), e colocar o meu potfile junto com os outros. Então, se o seu sistema estiver configurado para exibir mensagens em português, o GIMP vai notar a existência do potfile em português, e utilizá-lo. Claro que, depois da revisão, vou enviar o potfile direto para os autores do GIMP -- de forma que ele seja instalado automaticamente junto com a próxima versão. -- Ja ne, Marcus Brito mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chroma.simplenet.com/pazu
re: new install: network unreachable
Hi Chris, I'm glad that my idea worked for you. To be honest, everything you described suggested that you had a problem with the firewall. Also, you wrote that the were some paranoia messages during bootup... check tcplogd daemon about that. There is a paranoia option in the firewalls (used to be -o for spoofing in ipfwadm - do not really know 2.2+'s ipchains yet, but should be something similar). So I told myself: OK, let's open your firewall to exclude this option first of all. And, it worked. So please check the following packages (the ones that are relevant - Debian) in the first wave: iplogger ipmasq my_ip variable in /etc/init.d/netstd ipportfw etc... That's OK that ipfwadm -Mf was rejected. To be honest, I am not able to tell why your config changed. Whenever you get such messages like Operation not permitted and such, it is a good idea to check through the firewall related configuration. ipfwadm -Iln ipfwadm -Oln ipfwadm -Fln ipfwadm -Mln will list the actual settings of your firewall. These commands could be a good way for you to start investigating some more. Keep in mind that with the commands that I gave you you opened all the doors on your linux box - which is now a big security hole!!! That's it, hope you'll be able to manage to set up your firewall as desired - should you not, write to me, I'll be glad to help if I can. Regs csani PS: Linux - Kings' toy! ;) On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Chris Brown wrote: Hi csani, You're a genius! the ipfwadm -Mf command was rejected, but the others worked and now I'm back on the net! Can you please explain a little what was going on and why my config defaulted to allow_no_network_traffic_mode? What's the best way to permanently set the correct options? Many thanks, Chris. On 6 Apr 99 at 16:35, Holanyi Janos, jr. wrote: Just wondering... try these commands: (for a 2.0 kernel) ipfwadm -If ipfwadm -Of ipfwadm -Ff ipfwadm -Mf ipfwadm -I -p acc ipfwadm -O -p acc ipfwadm -F -p acc ipfwadm -F -p acc ...and ping. Is it better? Bye csani On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Chris Brown wrote: Brant others. getting desperate here, please help! To answer your question, I'm not sure *EXACTLY* how to check if the PCMCIA packages are installed, but I believe the answer is yes. If I look at top, I can see cardmgr running. If I insert/remove the 3c589 I hear the tell-tale hot-swap beeps, and when the system boots or the card is inserted, the network active light comes on on the adapter at the appropiate times. Also, a ping of the machine's own address completes properly in a millisecond or two. If I remove the card, pinging its own address returns the message network is unreachable. Pings to any other address with the card in result in: ping: sendto: operation not permitted ping: wrote 207.. 64 chars, ret=-1 I had a linux_guru_friend stop by last night to look at the problem, he looked at some low level tcpip functionality and saw that arp requests were being received by the laptop, but is wasn't sending anything out on the network. After mucking with it for a few hours he thought he would try a re-install from the rescue disks. same result! We successfully installed debian via nfs over the *EXACT* same network and interface, then on rebooting the network doesn't work and ping returns operation not allowed Any suggestions please !! On 5 Apr 99 at 22:42, Brant Wells wrote: Have you checked to make sure that the latptop PCMCIA packages are installed? Just checking, Brant. Chris Brown wrote: Please help, this is a newbie being stupid question I've done several slink installs that have worked fine. I'm trying to install it on my laptop now and am having problems with the system once its installed. Basically everything seems fine but I can't use the network (3c589 pcmcia ethernet). I can ping the machine's own address but pings anywhere else result with ping declaring not allowed... My ifconfig and route table look fine. I know the driver and network is okay because the entire system was nfs installed initially! This problem occurs when I reboot after completing the entire install process. I suspect that I've (unknowingly) installed some sort of ip security program that is not allowing network access, I see things in the boot log like ip paranoia deamon... and others that I don't understand. I used the custom package selection of dinstall. I've carefully done the process twice with the same results. As a newbie, I have no idea how to search the OS to find the offending software if that's the problem. Besides any suggestions on what might be causing this problem, can someone please let me know how I'd (efficiently) go
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
--- John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 4 Apr 1999, Gary Singleton wrote: --- John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the accepted method of sending a file to a person that MUST not get into unfriendly hands, but needs to get between users that have no access to the other's machine, due to dynamic PPP and hostile ISPs, then? Dynamic IP addresses can be taken care of using services like dyndns.org, ddns.org many others. My machine is online several hours a day using dyndns, I have the proftpd server running and can allow secure access via this or even using Apache. If I was to have such a hostile ISP I would switch to one of the many available in most areas of the world. Many ISPs however might be considered hostile by newbies for not allowing large attachments or charging for excess mail storage. So what you're proposing instead of large attachments to email is for the end user to set up two different services and quite possibly change their ISP. While we're at it, what else do you want to make into a major headache so you don't have to use procmail? I've got it, let's rewrite TCP/IP so that no more than 1KB of packets may be transmitted between peers without authentication, that oughta make you EXTREMELY pleased. Yes, my provided alternatives to solve your original problems were to get a dyndns.org account and set up an ftp server. It's really not that difficult and is much more convenient. The recipient is notified of the file and is able to retrieve it at his convenience. FTP (not anonymous) is at least as secure as email so that part is also taken care of. I shouldn't have to change my email setup to compensate for others inconsiderate behavior. Also, if I had what I considered a hostile ISP, you bet I'd find a new one. As to rewriting TCP/IP, I'm the one trying to stay within accepted protocol; you are advocating bending or rewriting the rules to legitimize your methods. This method should be as easy and as transportable as POPmail, not involve other servers in any way save routing, be able to be used internationally, and ensure delivery to only the intended person. Why, just to bend the rules to your definition of what the method should be? That's a little like saying I'm now using the internet, you must all bend to my definition of what e-mail should be. No, I was describing the basis of sending a large attachment via email--POPmail, the only servers in use are temporarily the routing hosts and the ends, and relatively secure delivery--there are ways to intercept email, but there are also ways to intercept ALL TCP/IP packets with a similar amount of work. So my bend[ing] the rules is no more than telling you that something has to be as useful as all other alternatives before it can be unequivocally the right way. The reason I brought up security of email the first time was to make you aware that it is no more secure than other methods just because it is destined to a specific recipient. Give up? Well so do I. Solve this problem before you beef about how large attachments to email is evil. You can give up if you like, but I'll continue to take the position that e-mail is for message exchange not file exchange. There are established methods for secure file transfer by the way, e-mail is most definitely not the most secure method of transfer for any file that MUST not get into unfriendly hands. Most crypto is based on a similar setup to email, and your established methods don't mean anything without citation, which is what I asked for in the first place. It's true that email is for message exchange, but what happens when the message happens to be a chapter of a book with formatting intact? Your broad stroke of no large attachments to email just nuked collaborative publishing, as my stepfather (when he was co-authoring his textbook) emailed revisions to chapters of his book, which he said was the accepted standard in the publishing community (I didn't really care much about the whys and wherefores when he did it--he and I have semi strained relations at best). The encryption issue has already been addressed as well as my solution for your problems. To summarize: dyndns.org, proftpd, new ISP. There are document control systems that would be much better for writing a book than emailing chapters to one another. I've used Lotus Notes (admittedly not a Linux product) in the past for exactly this function. My broad stroke wouldn't nuke anything, it would however force the adoption of a better method. I would have expected the publishing community to have developed something a little more advanced - surprising. I will continue to beef about large attachments when they are sent to me and mine unrequested unwelcome. There are solutions available if you would look, perhaps they're not as
Re: X thinks my screen is larger than it actually is
AFAIK, your problem is neither new nor soluble: what's happening is that your pixelsize is too large for the default windowsize to fit within the screen boundaries--either set a higher resolution or live with it. The problem is not that your virtual resolution is too high, it's that your screen resolution is too low: however, you might get better results if you set your virtual resolution higher than your actual screen: you'd at least be able to navigate to the parts that don't show up on your screen. Sorry I can't be of more help--it's happened to me on more than one occasion :( On Mon, 5 Apr 1999, Marcus Claren wrote: Hi! I've got a very annoying problem. My X server seems to think that my screen is bigger than it actually is. I'm using wmaker, and when a program window drops out of the desktop I can usually maximize it and make it fit the desktop perfectly. So wmaker knows the size of my screen, I think. But when I'm running certain programs, like games (Xsoldier, Xworm) which seem to have a preset window - size their windowborders are vanishing outside the desktoparea and there's no way for me to resize them. Other programs that I'm experiencing the same with are Rosegarden, a music program and Blender. Some guy at irc told me that this could be due to that I've set my virtual res too high in the XF86Config- file, but he couldn't explain to me exactly how to change this. Anyway, please help me as this makes working with some programs impossible. TIA //Marcus -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. Who is John Galt? [EMAIL PROTECTED], that's who!
SiS 6236 XF86Config
Getting these silly cards to work seems to be a recurring theme on this list. Hopefully, this message is enough that newcomers can just rtfm about it. Carl Mummert --cut-- How to get an SiS 6236 video card to work with slink: I performed these steps when I set up an SiS card earlier this year. They may not be perfectly correct, as my memory is not perfect. They should be enough to guide you. I'm not responsible if anything gets broken, destroyed, or lost. Be careful. For your reference, below if my XF86Config file. It probably won't work for you without editing, but it may be useful as a reference. Steps: 1) Get the following files (paths correct as of 4-5-99): ftp://xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/3.3.3/binaries/Linux-ix86-glibc/Servers/XSVGA.tgz ftp://xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/3.3.3/doc/README.SiS 2) Make sure that the xserver-svga package is installed. You can check with the command # dpkg -s xserver-svga If you see 'Status: install ok installed' then it is installed; otherwise download the .deb and install it. 3) Become root 4) As root, enter the following commands in the directory where the XSVGA.tgz file is: # tar xzvf XSVGA.tgz # cd bin # chown root.root XF86_SVGA # chmod 755 XF86_SVGA # mv /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA.debian # mv XF86_SVGA /usr/X11R6/bin Purists, see my note below. 5) Run xf86config, and enter reasonable information for your monitor, mouse, keyboard, etc. When asked, you want to use the SVGA server. Don't start X yet. 6) Edit /etc/X11/XF86Config with your favorite editor. Go the the following lines: # Device configured by xf86config: Section Device You need to add one or more of the following options to this section. Just put them before the word 'EndSection'. The lines with a leading '#' are commented out in my XF86Config. #Option noaccel #Option no_imageblt # may need to turn this on if problems with # displaying bitmaps, gif, or jpg images Option no_bitblt # doesn't work, so turn it off... #Option no_linear # turning this on will slow things Option sw_cursor # makes things work so you can see mouse cursor 7) Now try to start X. It should work. If X still does not work, please do the following when asking for help: * Run the program 'script'; you will get a command prompt back. * Run 'startx'. If X starts, kill it. * Type 'exit'. You will see a message saying 'Script done, output file is typescript' * When asking for help, include in your message the contents of the file named 'typescript' which will be in the current directory. (Actually, you could do this when asking for help on any package...) Note for purists: Yes, I moved a debian-owned file out of the way. Yes, I replaced it with my own file. The advantage to this is that there is no chance of having the rest of the system get confused about where the server is, and that I do not have to configure the rest of the system to look elsewhere for the server (which I don't want to have to learn how to do). The X system is fairly complex, and although I have been using debian for several years I do not fully understand the process through which Xwindows starts. I feel that my way is better than removing the 'X' executable and replacing it with a link (another possible solution). Anyway, if there are any problems, the you can always move the old file back. I am not interested in discussing this, or starting a flame war or other long discussion about it. /cm -my XF86Config file--- # File generated by xf86config. # # Copyright (c) 1995 by The XFree86 Project, Inc. # # Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a # copy of this software and associated documentation files (the Software), # to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation # the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, # and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the # Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: # # The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in # all copies or substantial portions of the Software. # # THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR # IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, # FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL # THE XFREE86 PROJECT OR CARL MUMMERT BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR # OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, # ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR # OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE. # # Except as contained in this notice, the name of the XFree86 Project shall # not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other # dealings in this
Re: online help on c/c++ functions/libraries
Install package manpages-dev--that has manpages for most popular library functions. Also Deitel Deitel's C++/how to program is a good reference--I got it for a class and like it a lot. As for getting a list of all functions in all libraries, that's asking QUITE a bit--most of Dietel Deitel's 1100+ pages are dedicated to about 22 libraries--look in /usr/include and figure out how many pages it'd take given about 50+ pages per library: not an easy task! On Mon, 5 Apr 1999, Micha Feigin wrote: How do I get help on c/c++ functions, including the library (.h) file for them? man query etc. ? (how do i search for it?) Is it possible to get a list of functions available on the system, and/or a list of available c libraries (.h) and their coresponding funcions? Thanx _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. Who is John Galt? [EMAIL PROTECTED], that's who!
Re: xisp
On 6 Apr 1999, Martin Bialasinski responded very promptly: vp == v polasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: vp I would like to run xisp without logging in as root. Right now vp when I run it as a regular user, xisp gives me an error message: vp /usr/sbin/pppd: using the name option requires root privilege. Do you have the xisp package from 2.1, or do you use an older version? dpkg -l xisp tells me that I have version 2.5p4-1 If you are using an older version (I suspect so), then upgrade. pppd 2.3.5 (as included in slink) got stricter about the allowed usage of parameters for unprivileged users. My version of pppd came from the deb version 2.3.5-2 of ppp. I presume that this is the most recent version. However, I should add that I configured ppp for my current isp provider about 3 months ago under an older version of pppd which came with hamm. I never had any problems with pppd before or after the upgrade. If I am wrong with my guess, please run find /etc/ppp -type f | xargs grep name as root, so that I can see where this parameter comes from. This output is somewhat long to post, so here is a list of only the files that came up: /etc/ppp/peers/xisp_ttyS3 /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/xisp /etc/ppp/ip-down.d/xisp /etc/ppp/options /etc/ppp/ip-up /etc/ppp/ip-down It looks that either /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/xisp or /etc/ppp/options may have something relevant. Thanks for any further help, Vaclav Polasek
Re: Dial-on Demand with Masq Setup Box
On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Russell Rademacher wrote: Hello guys. Okay.. I got a little project to work on in few days and I would appreciate some pointers and help on this one. Basically I am little familiar with the Masq system...but what I would like to do is setup this system as like this. I like the system to be a central gateway using ISDN Modem so it dials on demand to the ISP when someone from the Lan Network send out a TCP/IP request out like browser or something and get hooked on to the ISP using the system. Does it sound like the Linux Router system that I am supposed to look into for that kind of function? Any input and ideas to make this a workable solution is appreciated. IP Masquerade coupled with diald should do what you want. I have a Debian machine that has a modem that I use to dial my ISP. I installed/configured diald to bring the PPP/modem connection up to my ISP automatically whenever something happens on my machine that requires network access. I also have a small Ethernet LAN with one other machine (lets call is Win95). IP Masquerade allows the Win95 machine to use my Debian machine as a router (it has both a PPP connection to the Internet through my ISP and an Ethernet connection to the local LAN). Any network access that the Win95 machine requires would be forwarded to the Debian machine, which would do the IP Masquerading and forward the datagrams onto the Internet. If the modem connection is not up, diald will automatically bring it up and will bring it down when network access is no longer needed. I recommend the IP Masquerade Mini-HOWTO at: http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/mini/IP-Masquerade.html I pretty much followed this verbatim and easily got it working.
Re: where is Pine?
It's in non-free, in source form, so you have to get pine396-src, pine396-diffs, and roll your own binary deb--there's been a few non-official binary debs built by various ppl, but I can't remember where they are, nor can vouch for their continued presence. On Mon, 5 Apr 1999, Pollywog wrote: Which package contains Pine? I thought I had it installed but I can't find it and I can't find a pine deb. thanks -- Andrew [PGP5.0 Key ID 0x5EE61C37] Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. Who is John Galt? [EMAIL PROTECTED], that's who!
Re: Discussion with Pine developers Debian Issues
Bruce, I would have been much happier with phrasing such as has not yet responded rather than the much more pejorative broke off communications... Sigh. Whatever. Brock, we actually had been having discussions on this topic, and were working on a reply to you. I apologize for the delay in responding. However, at this point, I'll simply add some comments to Bruce's message below... On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Bruce Sass wrote: There are three issues with pine (in order of importance to Debian, imo): 1. Pine does not allow redistribution of modified binaries without explicit permission to do so. There are three fixes: Pine provides executables that do not require tweaking by Debian, then takes on the job of a Debian maintainer; The possibility of UW releasing a version of Pine specifically for Debian Linux is not out of the question, but it is also not entirely trivial since our folks don't completely agree with your folks on the best way to configure mail software. But as I've said before, we're open to trying to identify a minimum set of changes needed for Pine to run on Debian for possible incorporation in the Pine distribution. Pine changes the license Don't hold your breath :) (why are patches ok, but the executables generated from them not ok?); I'll try to explain. When the owner of any software chooses to make source code available, they have to make some decisions on change control. There is a spectrum of possibilities ranging from nobody can do anything without explicit permission to anybody can do anything without asking. I understand the tradeoffs of various points on this spectrum and don't wish to get into a religious debate about so-called free software. Suffice it to say that, for the Pine project, UW chose a mid-point on the spectrum. We take a great deal of pride in Pine and it reflects directly on us, so we are very much interested in retaining change control; on the other hand, we wanted individuals and site administrators to be able to adapt Pine to their specific local environment without hassle. So the mid-point compromise is to say feel free to make local mods, appropriately marked, but please don't redistribute modified binaries without asking. One difference between sharing patch files vs. redistributing the resulting binaries is that the ultimate user or site administrator will tend to be more conscious of what is standard Pine vs. modified Pine if they go through the process of applying patches themselves. Perhaps the more fundamental point is that without the requirement to get permission before redistributing modified binaries, UW essentially gives up all claim of change control. I take your question to imply that our position would be more consistent if we required everyone under all circumstances to ask permission before they could modify Pine in any way, but that isn't where we wanted to be on the change control continuum. Again, we want to enable end-users and site administrators to make changes necessary for their environment without any hassle about permissions... while at the same time retaining some modicum of change control over Pine as it flows throughout cyberspace. (Some people consider this desire to be unreasonable; we do not.) Debian gets a Pine maintainer that is willing to get explicit permission everytime Pine is recompiled for Debian (Pine releases, Debian releases, bug fixes, and security fixes). Not quite. No one ever said that explicit permission would be required everytime Pine is recompiled For example, it is entirely reasonable and feasible to work out an agreement whereby an approved set of modifications can continue to be applied and redistributed against successive versions of Debian Linux without multiple approvals. No one has asked to do this so far, but I see no philosophical nor legal barrier (with the usual caveat that I'm not a lawyer, and proud of it :) 2. The above requirement places Pine in non-free, rather than main, which means Pine could not be put onto Debian CD's. The only fix for this is a licensing change; for Pine to modify their license, or for Debian to change the DFSG. I'm not clear on what the above requirement refers to. Does this mean, for example, that if UW provided a Debian-ready binary for redistribution, it would not be considered eligible for inclusion on Debian CDs? I consider this to be a very important question. 3. The technical considerations, which Pine is working on and will result in making life a little easier for the Debian maintainer, but which also have no bearing on Debian being able to redistribute Pine executables. I contacted UW, then Debian, then tried to get the two communicating; to the extent of offering possible solutions to the impasse. At the point were UW should have responded (yea, nay, or how about this solution instead), Terry broke off communication... ^ That's certainly not my
Re: .rpm -- .deb conversion
Probably alien, that's what I've used in the past. On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Fethi A. Okyar wrote: I did this once before, I copied the file xf86setup.rpm from my old installation CD and used a tool to either convert that .rpm package directly to .deb format, or had used an intermediate step, I can't remember... Surely somebody knows how to do this ?? thank you Fethi Okyar Research Assistant Computational Solid Mechanics MMAE Department, IIT Chicago, IL 60616-3793 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. Who is John Galt? [EMAIL PROTECTED], that's who!
Re: .rpm -- .deb conversion
On 07-Apr-99 John Galt wrote: Probably alien, that's what I've used in the past. Yes, it is alien. -- Andrew [PGP5.0 Key ID 0x5EE61C37]
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
Frankly I couldn't care less about whether or not you use procmail, exim, or UUCP. Any and all of them have the capability to accept attachments. My point is that there are times when large attachments to email are not only desirable, but the easiest solution. I agree that there is abuse, but let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. FYI I did the large attachment over email thing on a 14.4 modem, and I had no real problem because I asked dad to send it to me--and neither he nor I had Zip disks at the time: this has changed since then, but then again, Zip disks weren't on the market when I did this--so you're too late: and 1.44M/disk was a bit on the punishing side. The technology for large attachemnts over email existed long before sneakernetting large files was feasable for the home PC (however I remember sneakernetting a 5-platter disk-pack for a Basic-4 many a moon ago, those things are HEAVY). In fact, I asked for the correct protocol, and all you gave me was sneakernet. Sneakernet is never the correct protocol, it's just a quick and dirty method of getting files between comps when you don't wish to use the correct protocol. On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Steve Lamb wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:44:00 -0600 (MDT), John Galt wrote: SNEAKERNET just because YOU can't configure procmail? I'd say that your failure to configure procmail is YOUR problem, not one to be visited on the internet at large. I've sneakernetted files of a size that would make you blanch in my day, but I see no reason to do this as a matter of protocol, not when there exists a simple method to do so, regardless of whether or not you like the method. Because I can't configure procmail? 1: I can configure procmail. 2: I choose not to because I use Exim's filtering 3: I can configure Exim's filtering. 4: None of which matters because I operate my own connection on a 33.6k modem which means the file is ALREADY received before I get a chance to filter it. When there exists a simple method. There are several such methods which are PROPER. But if the IT department doesn'y allow them, tough. If the ISP doesn't allow them, change ISPs. But use the proper protocol. That is what is known as playing nice in the playground with the other kids. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNwoUTHpf7K2LbpnFEQJL8wCfTspPTncO6sxom8ULHeu0LmYx52UAn0SD LA6PSPBpdL3TbUCxr+KFegh+ =EGv8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. Who is John Galt? [EMAIL PROTECTED], that's who!
Re: vi in Debian (slink)
Try the HP-UX porting page--they have quite a few GNU-style progs ported to HP-UX: I remember getting the pages when I searched for tcsh. HTH On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote: However, vim is not standard. I routinely work on HP-UX these days and doubt that vim is installed there, for example. It usually is not too hard to go to a debian site, download the original source tarbal, and compile it for personal use. I just did that with procmail on SGI. HTH, Eric -- E.L. Meijer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Eindhoven Univ. of Technology Lab. for Catalysis and Inorg. Chem. (SKA) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. Who is John Galt? [EMAIL PROTECTED], that's who!
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:23:35 -0600 (MDT), John Galt wrote: Basic-4 many a moon ago, those things are HEAVY). In fact, I asked for the correct protocol, and all you gave me was sneakernet. Sneakernet is never the correct protocol, it's just a quick and dirty method of getting files between comps when you don't wish to use the correct protocol. And this is why discussions go on endlessly. Because people jump into the middle without bothering to gain the context of the conversation. Want the correct protocol for getting a file from machine A to machine B? Internet Protocols: FTP: Name says it all. HTTP: Not as nice as FTP, but it still is worlds better than email. Intranet Protocols: SMB: Microsoft to the rescue FTP: Still works HTTP: Hey, still works. NFS: Works wonders, esp. for shared projects. If none of those are available. TOUGH SHIT, MAIL IT. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNwqmmHpf7K2LbpnFEQKAIACfUL93NIUhrmptblv/wOtNl6Pg6l8AnjNj KJkWxD0hoVCxPsdLc/Th+PMy =UzJk -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Rather Odd freeze ups (and more :)
I have a not so related Linux question (with the exception that I run Linux) about some really weird, hard, lockups. Here's the deal: I had a ageing Cyrix 586/120 that started to seem *really* slow. Any how, I bought a Abit-BH6 Board, a Intel Celeron 300A, some PC-100 RAM, and used the following hard ware from my old machine : A S3 Trio 64v+ video card, Maxtor HD, and a 3.5 Floppy (there is other stuff, but I don't have it installed to help trouble shoot). So, I plug every thing in and it works, I Recompile my kernel for the PPro, ran some other CPU intensive apps, every thing seemed great, and very quick. That is untill I ran netscape, then the machine crashed (yes crashed!) hard. I can't restart it with the good old ctlaltdel, I have to use the hardware rest switch, and then I found out that other graphic intens apps did the same thing (Gimp, Eterm, etc). It does the same thing in Win95 (I now 95 dies often, but most of the time you can reset it with the ctlaltdel), and I am now completly clue less what to do next. What I have done: I got mad, thought it was a HW problem, and sense the other stuff I had from the other machine was running great untill the day I took it apart, so I sent it all back, and recived new parts, but have all the same problems. At this time, I am thinking video may be the problem, but any suggestions would be greatly appreached, oh, and I am not overclocking it... Thanks, -Matt- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midcoast.com/~kopishke http://169.244.227.129 MSAD#40 Home Page http://169.244.227.129/ss/MVHS Seed Savers Project http://169.244.227.129/MVCUG/Medomak Valley Computer User Group +--+ | *To see tomorrow's PC, Look at todays Macintosh* | |*If it says Windows 95 or better install Linux!*| +--+
RE: SiS 6236 XF86Config
Hi, the only sad thing is that after having performed this list of tasks you end up with a card running very slow compared to what it is capable of. All acceleration is turned off. I have one box with a Matrox MGA200 and one with a SiS based card (Diamond A50). Comparing the two under Linux makes me want to throw the Diamond card away. Still, you do get it to run this waysorta :) On 06-Apr-99 Carl Mummert wrote: Getting these silly cards to work seems to be a recurring theme on this list. Hopefully, this message is enough that newcomers can just rtfm about it. Carl Mummert --cut-- How to get an SiS 6236 video card to work with slink: I performed these steps when I set up an SiS card earlier this year. They may not be perfectly correct, as my memory is not perfect. They should be enough to guide you. I'm not responsible if anything gets broken, destroyed, or lost. Be careful. For your reference, below if my XF86Config file. It probably won't work for you without editing, but it may be useful as a reference. Steps: 1) Get the following files (paths correct as of 4-5-99): ftp://xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/3.3.3/binaries/Linux-ix86-glibc/Servers/XSVGA.tg z ftp://xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/3.3.3/doc/README.SiS 2) Make sure that the xserver-svga package is installed. You can check with the command # dpkg -s xserver-svga If you see 'Status: install ok installed' then it is installed; otherwise download the .deb and install it. 3) Become root 4) As root, enter the following commands in the directory where the XSVGA.tgz file is: # tar xzvf XSVGA.tgz # cd bin # chown root.root XF86_SVGA # chmod 755 XF86_SVGA # mv /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA.debian # mv XF86_SVGA /usr/X11R6/bin Purists, see my note below. 5) Run xf86config, and enter reasonable information for your monitor, mouse, keyboard, etc. When asked, you want to use the SVGA server. Don't start X yet. 6) Edit /etc/X11/XF86Config with your favorite editor. Go the the following lines: # Device configured by xf86config: Section Device You need to add one or more of the following options to this section. Just put them before the word 'EndSection'. The lines with a leading '#' are commented out in my XF86Config. #Option noaccel #Option no_imageblt # may need to turn this on if problems with # displaying bitmaps, gif, or jpg images Option no_bitblt # doesn't work, so turn it off... #Option no_linear # turning this on will slow things Option sw_cursor # makes things work so you can see mouse cursor 7) Now try to start X. It should work. If X still does not work, please do the following when asking for help: * Run the program 'script'; you will get a command prompt back. * Run 'startx'. If X starts, kill it. * Type 'exit'. You will see a message saying 'Script done, output file is typescript' * When asking for help, include in your message the contents of the file named 'typescript' which will be in the current directory. (Actually, you could do this when asking for help on any package...) Note for purists: Yes, I moved a debian-owned file out of the way. Yes, I replaced it with my own file. The advantage to this is that there is no chance of having the rest of the system get confused about where the server is, and that I do not have to configure the rest of the system to look elsewhere for the server (which I don't want to have to learn how to do). The X system is fairly complex, and although I have been using debian for several years I do not fully understand the process through which Xwindows starts. I feel that my way is better than removing the 'X' executable and replacing it with a link (another possible solution). Anyway, if there are any problems, the you can always move the old file back. I am not interested in discussing this, or starting a flame war or other long discussion about it. /cm -my XF86Config file--- # File generated by xf86config. # # Copyright (c) 1995 by The XFree86 Project, Inc. # # Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a # copy of this software and associated documentation files (the Software), # to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation # the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, # and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the # Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: # # The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in # all copies or substantial portions of the Software. # # THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR # IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE
Re: How to boot into single user mode?
When boot up, type linux single or linux emergency Rob Lundahl wrote: Help my x-windows went south and Debian cycles on the xdm login. To fix it I need to login. Can I stop it from going automatically to X windows? Rob _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Shao Zhang - Running Debian 2.1 ___ _ _ Department of Communications/ __| |_ __ _ ___ |_ / |_ __ _ _ _ __ _ University of New South Wales \__ \ ' \/ _` / _ \ / /| ' \/ _` | ' \/ _` | Sydney, Australia |___/_||_\__,_\___/ /___|_||_\__,_|_||_\__, | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |___/ _
Re: do I need inetd?
Hi! I have a debian firewall with inetd still running the only services it offers are the internal ones: time, daytime and discard. Do I need them? Do any apps rely on them? Can I simply remove inetd altogether? Should be safe.
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
Let's just agree to disagree, shall we? We're both right as far as it goes--you have the most elegant solution, I have the quick and dirty solution. Both are partly right and partly wrong, mine because there's abuse, yours because it's a hassle beyond the worth of most attachments and dependent on the charity of others. But please remember that not all attachments are evil--some of them are at least benign, if not good. On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Gary Singleton wrote: --- John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 4 Apr 1999, Gary Singleton wrote: --- John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the accepted method of sending a file to a person that MUST not get into unfriendly hands, but needs to get between users that have no access to the other's machine, due to dynamic PPP and hostile ISPs, then? Dynamic IP addresses can be taken care of using services like dyndns.org, ddns.org many others. My machine is online several hours a day using dyndns, I have the proftpd server running and can allow secure access via this or even using Apache. If I was to have such a hostile ISP I would switch to one of the many available in most areas of the world. Many ISPs however might be considered hostile by newbies for not allowing large attachments or charging for excess mail storage. So what you're proposing instead of large attachments to email is for the end user to set up two different services and quite possibly change their ISP. While we're at it, what else do you want to make into a major headache so you don't have to use procmail? I've got it, let's rewrite TCP/IP so that no more than 1KB of packets may be transmitted between peers without authentication, that oughta make you EXTREMELY pleased. Yes, my provided alternatives to solve your original problems were to get a dyndns.org account and set up an ftp server. It's really not that difficult and is much more convenient. The recipient is notified of the file and is able to retrieve it at his convenience. FTP (not anonymous) is at least as secure as email so that part is also taken care of. I shouldn't have to change my email setup to compensate for others inconsiderate behavior. Also, if I had what I considered a hostile ISP, you bet I'd find a new one. As to rewriting TCP/IP, I'm the one trying to stay within accepted protocol; you are advocating bending or rewriting the rules to legitimize your methods. This method should be as easy and as transportable as POPmail, not involve other servers in any way save routing, be able to be used internationally, and ensure delivery to only the intended person. Why, just to bend the rules to your definition of what the method should be? That's a little like saying I'm now using the internet, you must all bend to my definition of what e-mail should be. No, I was describing the basis of sending a large attachment via email--POPmail, the only servers in use are temporarily the routing hosts and the ends, and relatively secure delivery--there are ways to intercept email, but there are also ways to intercept ALL TCP/IP packets with a similar amount of work. So my bend[ing] the rules is no more than telling you that something has to be as useful as all other alternatives before it can be unequivocally the right way. The reason I brought up security of email the first time was to make you aware that it is no more secure than other methods just because it is destined to a specific recipient. Give up? Well so do I. Solve this problem before you beef about how large attachments to email is evil. You can give up if you like, but I'll continue to take the position that e-mail is for message exchange not file exchange. There are established methods for secure file transfer by the way, e-mail is most definitely not the most secure method of transfer for any file that MUST not get into unfriendly hands. Most crypto is based on a similar setup to email, and your established methods don't mean anything without citation, which is what I asked for in the first place. It's true that email is for message exchange, but what happens when the message happens to be a chapter of a book with formatting intact? Your broad stroke of no large attachments to email just nuked collaborative publishing, as my stepfather (when he was co-authoring his textbook) emailed revisions to chapters of his book, which he said was the accepted standard in the publishing community (I didn't really care much about the whys and wherefores when he did it--he and I have semi strained relations at best). The encryption issue has already been addressed as well as my solution for your problems. To summarize: dyndns.org, proftpd, new ISP. There
Re: vi in Debian (slink)
On Tue, Apr 06, 1999 at 11:40:56AM -0500, J.L.M. wrote: On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Hamish Moffatt wrote: However, vim is not standard. I guess I would respond, why not? It's not unavailable, by any means. The fact that it isn't bundled with your OS should not be a problem after the first day of operation. True enough. I just haven't bothered. I still remember how to use EDLIN, though ;-) Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3TYD. CCs of replies from mailing lists are welcome.
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
I posited a problem wherein FTP and HTTP were both unavailable, so the obvious solution is mail--NOT snail mail, email. The abuses are there, but there are times when FTP and HTTP are unusable-- in fact, there are bridge sites that let you FTP - email, HTTP - FTP is regularly done in most browsers, and HTTP - email is a curse upon all text-based mailing programs: if there wasn't a need to use a different protocol based on context, none of these bridges would exist or be used (FTP-email is dying because of the extensive use of the HTTP - FTP bridge and other problems). This problem is going to be with us a long time, and carping about the unsuitability one of the protocols for large files ain't helping. On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Steve Lamb wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:23:35 -0600 (MDT), John Galt wrote: Basic-4 many a moon ago, those things are HEAVY). In fact, I asked for the correct protocol, and all you gave me was sneakernet. Sneakernet is never the correct protocol, it's just a quick and dirty method of getting files between comps when you don't wish to use the correct protocol. And this is why discussions go on endlessly. Because people jump into the middle without bothering to gain the context of the conversation. Want the correct protocol for getting a file from machine A to machine B? Internet Protocols: FTP: Name says it all. HTTP: Not as nice as FTP, but it still is worlds better than email. Intranet Protocols: SMB: Microsoft to the rescue FTP: Still works HTTP: Hey, still works. NFS: Works wonders, esp. for shared projects. If none of those are available. TOUGH SHIT, MAIL IT. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNwqmmHpf7K2LbpnFEQKAIACfUL93NIUhrmptblv/wOtNl6Pg6l8AnjNj KJkWxD0hoVCxPsdLc/Th+PMy =UzJk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. Who is John Galt? [EMAIL PROTECTED], that's who!
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
Sure, sounds good to me; I'm tired anyway. Truth be known I've sent a more than a few files through the mail myself G. Anyways, I'm down in Boise, if you ever get down this way let me know. Best wishes, G.S. --- John Galt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's just agree to disagree, shall we? We're both right as far as it goes--you have the most elegant solution, I have the quick and dirty solution. Both are partly right and partly wrong, mine because there's abuse, yours because it's a hassle beyond the worth of most attachments and dependent on the charity of others. But please remember that not all attachments are evil--some of them are at least benign, if not good. --major snippage-- _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: pppd problems
Robbie writes: I had this problem...just touch .ppprc, and everything should be OK. It worked for me, at least. Yes, but you shouldn't have to. It's a bug somewhere. The puzzlement is that I have the same version of pppd as Bob does but I don't have the bug. -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address.
Re: netscape and libXpm
Vincent Murphy wrote: because netscape kept giving my crap about illegal instructions in libBrokenLocale, which is in the libc6 pkg (thanks to the people who told me that BTW), i'm trying to run navigator 4.08 libc5. here's what happens: $ /usr/local/netscape/netscape /usr/local/netscape/netscape: can't load library 'libXpm.so.4' all the xpm pkgs in stable/x11 are installed. Did you install the xpm4.7 from /oldlibs? That's the libc5 compatable xpm, and should fix you up. -- . . | /-\ (-) /-\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux
Re: email threat
On Tue, Apr 06, 1999 at 11:52:30AM -0700, Britton Kerin wrote: When the leader or representative of a group is stigmatized as a dangerous gun nut this rubs off on the rest of the group, so please be careful what you say. Ah, but this is one of the reasons why the open source / free software movement is so interesting: there is no clear leader and there never can be. There can be (and certianlly are) those who are able to describe the movement, but none that could claim to lead it. I'm reminded of that 'herding cats' analogy to managing programmers... :) Just so long as it is still 'free' and people are willing to work on it, the loudest voice the free software community will ever have is the software itself, good or bad. This freedom gives it the tremendiously unique property of being immune to: bad press, good press, bad leaders, good leaders, bullets, monopolies, law suits, etc. ksb
Why was gs-aladdin removed as recommends from magicfilter?
magicfilter 1.2-29 changed Recommends: lpr | lprng, gs (= 3.33) | gs-aladdin to Recommends: lpr | lprng, gs (= 3.33) Isn't this carrying the free/non-free argument a bit far? Bob Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen
HELP - gethostbyname() no longer works
Hi, I played around with my /etc/resolve, /etc/hosts, and /etc/hostname. And now, the function gethostbyname() returns NULL. This seriously broke up all of my programs. I am connected in a LAN with a given ip address using ethernet. At a moment: my /etc/resolve.conf has nameserver 127.0.0.1 /etc/hostname has localhost and /etc/hosts has 127.0.0.1 localhost I believe these are the default values. It worked two days ago. Please help Thanks. Shao. -- Shao Zhang - Running Debian 2.1 ___ _ _ Department of Communications/ __| |_ __ _ ___ |_ / |_ __ _ _ _ __ _ University of New South Wales \__ \ ' \/ _` / _ \ / /| ' \/ _` | ' \/ _` | Sydney, Australia |___/_||_\__,_\___/ /___|_||_\__,_|_||_\__, | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |___/ _
Re: Discussion with Pine developers Debian Issues
On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Terry Gray wrote: [snip] One difference between sharing patch files vs. redistributing the resulting binaries is that the ultimate user or site administrator will tend to be more conscious of what is standard Pine vs. modified Pine if they go through the process of applying patches themselves. Perhaps the more fundamental point is that without the requirement to get permission before redistributing modified binaries, UW essentially gives up all claim of change control. I take your question to imply that our position would be more consistent if we required everyone under all circumstances to ask permission before they could modify Pine in any way, but that isn't where we wanted to be on the change control continuum. Again, we want to enable end-users and site administrators to make changes necessary for their environment without any hassle about permissions... while at the same time retaining some modicum of change control over Pine as it flows throughout cyberspace. (Some people consider this desire to be unreasonable; we do not.) You are, of course, free to do this. However, because of this policy, I have suggested that our local users switch to mutt, which is a suitable alternative that does not require our administrators to recompile every update themselves. It is your choice as to whether you want Debian to ship your program. I would suggest that you release a version that complies with the DFSG, but I am confident that free alternatives such as mutt will prove to be satisfactory in either case. Thanks. Syrus. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Syrus Nemat-Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]UCSD Physics Dept.
Re: HELP - gethostbyname() no longer works
On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 11:59:31AM +, Shao Zhang wrote: Hi, I played around with my /etc/resolve, /etc/hosts, and /etc/hostname. And now, the function gethostbyname() returns NULL. This seriously broke up all of my programs. I am connected in a LAN with a given ip address using ethernet. At a moment: my /etc/resolve.conf has nameserver 127.0.0.1 '/etc/resolv.conf search nameserver 127.0.0.1# localhost nameserver 194.25.46.4 # provider 1. IP nameserver 194.25.0.125 # provider 2. IP /etc/hostname has localhost and /etc/hosts has 127.0.0.1 localhost /etc/hostname pmurmel # my linuxbox name figure out with `uname -n` /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost # localhost 192.168.1.1 pmurmel.pberlau.users.muenster.de pmurmel # full name of my box and name 10.0.0.1local_ptp.pberlau.users.muenster.de local_ptp # for ip - connection 10.0.0.2remote_ptp.pberlau.users.muenster.de remote_ptp # remote ip 192.168.1.2 amurmel.pberlau.users.muenster.de amurmel # the name of the box from Adelheid is ... amurmel Hope this helps a little, cu Peter -- Peter Berlau [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X thinks my screen is larger than it actually is
On Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 11:11:37AM +0200, Marcus Claren wrote: Hi! I've got a very annoying problem. My X server seems to think that my screen is bigger than it actually is. I'm using wmaker, and when a program window drops out of the desktop I can usually maximize it and make it fit the desktop perfectly. So wmaker knows the size of my screen, I think. But when I'm running certain programs, like games (Xsoldier, Xworm) which seem to have a preset window - size their windowborders are vanishing outside the desktoparea and there's no way for me to resize them. Other programs that I'm experiencing the same with are Rosegarden, a music program and Blender. Just FYI, in WindowMaker, by default, if you hold down ALT and click the left mouse button on a window, you can move it, even if you can't find the title bar. -- Ian Peters The farther you go, the less you know. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Lao Tsu, Tao Te Ching
IBM Ultrastar U2W problems
Hi, I am experiencing problems with IBM Ultrastar 9es u2w disk which is supposed to allow 80MB/s transfer rate. I guess the problem has to do with the parity (see the listing below), the drive appears to work fine when I set in the SCSI BIOS max rate to 40MB/s. However, when I set the speed to 80MB/s I get the errors. Does anyone have any luck making this drive work at the highest rate? I have Symbios 8951 adaptor that has 53c895 chip, the ncr53c8xx driver is compiled into the 2.2.5 kernel. The system runs Debian 2.1 with the upgrades needed for the 2.2.x kernels. BTW, is it OK the controller and my AGP video card having the same IRQ? Thank for any help, Jozef Skvarcek ___ Dept. of Physics and Astronomy | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hunter College, City University of New York | 212-772-4032 Here is the error log: Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0:0: ERROR (0:18) (0-20-81) (f/9f) @ (script c4c:18000200). Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: script cmd = 8803 Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: regdump: da 10 80 9f 47 0f 00 0e 02 00 80 20 00 01 10 00. Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: have to clear fifos. Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: resetting, command processing suspended for 2 seconds Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: restart (scsi reset). Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: enabling clock multiplier Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: Downloading SCSI SCRIPTS. Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: command processing resumed Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0-0,*: WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled. Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0-0,*: FAST-40 WIDE SCSI 80.0 MB/s (25 ns, offset 15) Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0:0: ERROR (0:18) (0-20-e4) (f/9f) @ (scripth 10d8:18000200). Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: script cmd = 8803 Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: regdump: da 10 80 9f 47 0f 00 0e 1a 00 80 20 00 01 10 00. Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: have to clear fifos. Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: resetting, command processing suspended for 2 seconds Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: restart (scsi reset). Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: enabling clock multiplier Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: Downloading SCSI SCRIPTS. Apr 6 11:25:40 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: command processing resumed Apr 6 11:25:40 head kernel: ncr53c895-0-0,*: WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled. Apr 6 11:25:40 head kernel: ncr53c895-0-0,*: FAST-40 WIDE SCSI 80.0 MB/s (25 ns, offset 15) Apr 6 11:25:40 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: SCSI parity error detected: SCR1=3 DBC=1800 SSTAT1=18
Re: xisp
vp == v polasek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I am wrong with my guess, please run find /etc/ppp -type f | xargs grep name as root, so that I can see where this parameter comes from. vp This output is somewhat long to post, so here is a list of only vp the files that came up: vp /etc/ppp/peers/xisp_ttyS3 vp /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/xisp vp /etc/ppp/ip-down.d/xisp vp /etc/ppp/options vp /etc/ppp/ip-up vp /etc/ppp/ip-down vp It looks that either /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/xisp or /etc/ppp/options may vp have something relevant. Yes. /etc/ppp/options is wrong. (I wonder why pon did work). name xyz is a privileged option. Only root may use it. non-root users may set this option only using a configfile in the peers directory (if they can do this at all, I'd have to look it up). Please try the following changes: The only option in /etc/ppp/options should be auth. Remove the name option from /etc/ppp/peers/xisp_ttyS3 (it shouldn't be necessary there). You set the username and the remotename in the Account Information dialog box. The only reason I can think of for editing the xisp_* files is to add the debug option. Try this out and let me know if it worked. Ciao, Martin
Re: Why was gs-aladdin removed as recommends from magicfilter?
*- On 6 Apr, Bob Nielsen wrote about Why was gs-aladdin removed as recommends from magicfilter? magicfilter 1.2-29 changed Recommends: lpr | lprng, gs (= 3.33) | gs-aladdin to Recommends: lpr | lprng, gs (= 3.33) Isn't this carrying the free/non-free argument a bit far? Just a guess...It was violating Debian Policy since magicfilter is under main and gs-aladdin is under non-free. 2.1.2. The main section --- Every package in main must comply with the DFSG (Debian Free Software Guidelines). In addition, the packages in main = * must not require a package outside of main for compilation or =execution (thus, the package may not declare a Depends or =Recommends relationship on a non-main package), * must not be so buggy that we refuse to support them, * must meet all policy requirements presented in this manual. -- Brian - Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes. - unknown Mechanical Engineering[EMAIL PROTECTED] Purdue University http://www.ecn.purdue.edu/~servis -
Re: IBM Ultrastar U2W problems
One thing you may want to check is the cable. That's one of the biggest trouble-makers when dealing with SCSI problems, especially in Linux, from what I've noticed. Low quality or older cables are notorious for giving headaches, especially with high-speed SCSI. Another thing I would recommend is to play with the driver settings for the SCSI controller. I'm not very familiar with the 8xx driver, but from what I've understood (this may have changed with the 2.2 series of kernels, or I could be completely wrong to begin with), the 8xx driver is a BSD derived driver, where the 7xx is wholly Linux. So there's another potential avenue to tread across. Just my thoughts. Your mileage may vary. John Jozef Skvarcek wrote: Hi, I am experiencing problems with IBM Ultrastar 9es u2w disk which is supposed to allow 80MB/s transfer rate. I guess the problem has to do with the parity (see the listing below), the drive appears to work fine when I set in the SCSI BIOS max rate to 40MB/s. However, when I set the speed to 80MB/s I get the errors. Does anyone have any luck making this drive work at the highest rate? I have Symbios 8951 adaptor that has 53c895 chip, the ncr53c8xx driver is compiled into the 2.2.5 kernel. The system runs Debian 2.1 with the upgrades needed for the 2.2.x kernels. BTW, is it OK the controller and my AGP video card having the same IRQ? Thank for any help, Jozef Skvarcek ___ Dept. of Physics and Astronomy | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hunter College, City University of New York | 212-772-4032 Here is the error log: Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0:0: ERROR (0:18) (0-20-81) (f/9f) @ (script c4c:18000200). Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: script cmd = 8803 Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: regdump: da 10 80 9f 47 0f 00 0e 02 00 80 20 00 01 10 00. Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: have to clear fifos. Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: resetting, command processing suspended for 2 seconds Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: restart (scsi reset). Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: enabling clock multiplier Apr 6 11:25:34 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: Downloading SCSI SCRIPTS. Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: command processing resumed Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0-0,*: WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled. Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0-0,*: FAST-40 WIDE SCSI 80.0 MB/s (25 ns, offset 15) Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0:0: ERROR (0:18) (0-20-e4) (f/9f) @ (scripth 10d8:18000200). Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: script cmd = 8803 Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: regdump: da 10 80 9f 47 0f 00 0e 1a 00 80 20 00 01 10 00. Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: have to clear fifos. Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: resetting, command processing suspended for 2 seconds Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: restart (scsi reset). Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: enabling clock multiplier Apr 6 11:25:37 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: Downloading SCSI SCRIPTS. Apr 6 11:25:40 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: command processing resumed Apr 6 11:25:40 head kernel: ncr53c895-0-0,*: WIDE SCSI (16 bit) enabled. Apr 6 11:25:40 head kernel: ncr53c895-0-0,*: FAST-40 WIDE SCSI 80.0 MB/s (25 ns, offset 15) Apr 6 11:25:40 head kernel: ncr53c895-0: SCSI parity error detected: SCR1=3 DBC=1800 SSTAT1=18 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
pppd success! Now, on to more configuration questions!
Hi, everyone! After much struggle and turmoil, I have gotten my pppd to quit dying on me as a user! With a thousand thanks to Avery of wvdial fame, here's what I had to do: I added connect true to my etc/ppp/options file. I also touched both /dev/ttyS1 and my .ppprc file, which might have made a difference, though their effects were not immediate. In any case, I was greatly relieved to finally connect as I was _literally_ ready to do a wipe-and-reinstall when I finally connected. AS an aside, my system has become mostly potato-fied in the process of upgrading things in my desperation to fix the problem (this might have been a contibutor to the fix as well, BTW). My question: would I benefit in any way by just taking the leap and upgrading fully to Potato? I think that I am 12 packages shy, according to apt-get. Just to expose my newbie-ness, potato is aka unstable at this point, right? Now, configuration questions. First, my problems with fetchmail. Before I (probably) upgraded my packages, I was getting errors amounting to SMTP listener does not like ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] or some such, at which point it kicks out. Now, I get this error: 116 messages for bob at host.myisp.com reading message 1 of 116 (1039 header octets) .fetchmail: can't even send to bob! fetchmail: SMTP transaction error while fetching from host.myisp.com fetchmail: Query status=10 Now, from my previous encounter, I gather that something is reporting that my hostname is localhost, which the SMTP setup does not like at my ISP's end. Might this be an exim problem? I am totally lost when it comes to mail handlers in general, and I have never used exim before three days ago, so bear with me :-) Is there a setup program for exim, or should I do the old man-page;edit config;restart exim;crash exim;repeat until I get it working? If so, is there an example exim configuration file? I'll be doing research on this after I send this off, but I decided that I might as well ask while I'm typing :-) Next question: can I change what xterms report for their terminals? When I telnet somewhere, pine does not recognize xterm-debian or rxvt, and I am too lazy to keep changing it every time I telnet somewhere ;-) I am sure that I will have more questions later, but I'll lay off for now. TIA! -Chris -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS/CC/MC d- s+:+ a-- C++ US P L++ E W++ N- o? K? w O M- V- PS++ PE+ Y+ PGP- t+ 5 X+ R tv+ b++ DI+ D- G e+(++) h--- r++ z+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: .rpm -- .deb conversion
Yes I used alien and took care of the rpm packages thank you. Fethi i On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Pollywog wrote: On 07-Apr-99 John Galt wrote: Probably alien, that's what I've used in the past. Yes, it is alien. -- Andrew [PGP5.0 Key ID 0x5EE61C37] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:10:33 -0600 (MDT), John Galt wrote: I posited a problem wherein FTP and HTTP were both unavailable, so the obvious solution is mail--NOT snail mail, email. And if email isn't available? And the protocol after that? And after that? It reminds me of a discussion a while back I had in the newsgroups against people who were so determined that everyone must know how to use vi to be called unix proficient. I told them I've been using Linux for 2+ years, unix in general for 5+ years, was a SysAdmin and didn't know, care to know, or felt the need to learn vi. My answer, joe. Well, one guy came up with a great situation. What if... What if I were on a machine that had no compiler, had no net access, no floppy drive, had no other editors or things which could be used *as* editors (sed ed come to mind) but did have vi. How would I then edit files? I declared the machine unusable as it was obviously so archaic and/or esoteric that it is beyond and reasonable need of mine and I would promptly turn it off and find a real machine. Your situation is the same. It is easy to make a case where your answer is the only solution simply by excluding all other viable solutions. What if... What if both FTP and HTTP are unavailable. In such a situation, you've got problems more than email because if those two *basic* and *standard* protocols aren't available then your network is, in a word, fucked. As in the situation with vi, there comes a point when you just go elsewhere for the solution. Just because every sane protocol is unavailable gives you a reason to break and abuse any protocol which is left and, further, to demand that other systems allow you to break said protocol. In my 6 month tenure as postmaster at my former job, a local ISP, I had two people complain to me because we would not allow email messages larger than 5Mb. They would not hear about DoS issues, or storage issues, or how to properly move the data, they wanted their attachments or else. I told both, or else. If they could find an ISP which suited their needs, they were more then welcome. That is why I am so vehemently opposed to anyone using email for large attachments. That is why I say that as the size of the attachment goes up, its value goes down. At some point it is better to use another protocol for a variety of technical and social reasons, EVEN IF it is the only protocol available (IE, another protocol is mail it) and EVEN IF the file is requested by the other user. The abuses are there, but there are times when FTP and HTTP are unusable-- And in those cases I have described the proper response. If it is an ISP, change ISPs. Any ISP which does not provide space and the meens for anonymous FTP and web space with a functional HTTP server is screwing you. If it is because of corporate policy, either use an ISP or go over IT's head because they are obviously a bunch of clueless nits. In the interim, mail it. This problem is going to be with us a long time, and carping about the unsuitability one of the protocols for large files ain't helping. Meanwhile another problem is going to be with us for a long time. It is caled the Denial of Service attack. Furthermore, even legit attachments cause problems. In some cases with qpopper and Eudora (All versions to date) if a large attachment (1Mb is large enough) hits the mailbox, Eudora chokes and will not download it. Outlook(9X/Express) has a similar problem, I just don't know the rough size that triggers it. A person who uses PMMail got a 6.5Mb attachment. PMMail would download it fine, but he wanted to get it last, not first, and is now looking to the authors for a way to have PMMail not automatically fetch upon startup, at his discretion, so he can get the other messages first and then let PMMail get that one on the next check. Encouraging an abuse of the mail protocols doesn't help any of these and all three are problems that the professionals that keep the Internet running day in and day out encounter on a nearly daily, if not hourly basis. How about this, if email is such a viable option for files, why isn't there an email method for dselect? Silly? That is how I see the whole idea of large files through email. Sure, someone could make an email method for dselect, and it would work, and, by your elimination of other options, someone really shoud. What if... What if someone doesn't have a floppy drive, doesn't have a CDROM, can't FTP, can't use HTTP, but somehow got Debian onto the machine in the first place and wants to upgrade? - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc
newbie linker error - 'undefined reference'
I want to compile, and then link, even. (Imagine that.) I think my
basic problem is how to learn what libraries to include on my link command
line.
Here's my first attempt at building a program from scratch on my slink
system:
t.cc:
#include fstream.h
int main (int argc, char *argv[])
{
cout argv[1];
return 0;
}
Makefile:
t: t.o
t.o: t.cc
Emacs compilation buffer:
make -k
g++-c t.cc -o t.o
cc t.o -o t
t.o: In function `main':
t.o(.text+0xd): undefined reference to `cout'
t.o(.text+0x12): undefined reference to `ostream::operator(char const
*)'
make: *** [t] Error 1
This is a linker unresolved reference, right? I need to pass a command
line switch to the linker to tell it the library, right?
Okay, how can I relate a given header (e.g. fstream.h) with the library or
libraries that house the functions published by the header? Is there a
../doc/.. area that I haven't found? Should I use ld to scan all
library directories searching for functions names?
Thanks,
Matt Miller
---
'The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected.'
- The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June, 1972
Re: newbie linker error - 'undefined reference'
The compiler does not understand what cout and is.
You forgot to include iostreams.h
Matt Miller wrote:
I want to compile, and then link, even. (Imagine that.) I think my
basic problem is how to learn what libraries to include on my link command
line.
Here's my first attempt at building a program from scratch on my slink
system:
t.cc:
#include fstream.h
int main (int argc, char *argv[])
{
cout argv[1];
return 0;
}
Makefile:
t: t.o
t.o: t.cc
Emacs compilation buffer:
make -k
g++-c t.cc -o t.o
cc t.o -o t
t.o: In function `main':
t.o(.text+0xd): undefined reference to `cout'
t.o(.text+0x12): undefined reference to `ostream::operator(char
const
*)'
make: *** [t] Error 1
This is a linker unresolved reference, right? I need to pass a command
line switch to the linker to tell it the library, right?
Okay, how can I relate a given header (e.g. fstream.h) with the library or
libraries that house the functions published by the header? Is there a
../doc/.. area that I haven't found? Should I use ld to scan all
library directories searching for functions names?
Thanks,
Matt Miller
---
'The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected.'
- The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June, 1972
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Mars_nwe as deb
Hi, where can I find mars_nwe in deb package ? przemol
problem compiling KDE
I was told that my mimelnk stuff should be in a certain place, but it was not there and although I seemed to not have any problems because of this, I went about removing all the Debian KDE 1.1 packages and QT. I then installed QT from source and then installed kdelibs and kdesupport from source. When I tried to install kdebase from source (Debian Slink system) I got an error about not finding net/if.h so I recompiled my kernel and started again with kdelibs and kdesupport but when I got to kdebase, I got the same error with net/if.h. Why can I not install KDE on Slink from source? I have reinstalled all the KDE packages from debs, so at least I have something working. Perhaps Debian has some way of handling KDE mime types and I never had a problem in the first place? Still, I should be able to install from source but I can't. I did not have this problem with KDE 1.0 on OpenLinux. thanks -- Andrew [PGP5.0 Key ID 0x5EE61C37]
Xauth, how to get rid of it?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Subject says all. Trying to get apps to display on remote machines. I can do it fine to my Winbox, but that is because it isn't using Xauth. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNwr57Xpf7K2LbpnFEQLcMgCgtRnThlRuwhmdKcU4LSA/CItp40EAoILo exIASDQGEGB0av4ZpF1Ftx28 =Vsyj -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Xauth, how to get rid of it?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:34:41 -0700 (PDT), George Bonser wrote: Steve, you do not want to get rid of xauth ... exactly what problem are you having? Why not? There are other methods of protecting the X port than Xauth. Since all machines that I want to do X work are on the local network and on private IP space, I can safely limit it to that block of IPs and be done with it. My problem, exactly, is that Xauth is preventing me form forwarding the display from one Linux box to another Linux box, both running Debian. Meanwhile, my Winbox with Exceed, which does not use Xauth, allows the forwarded displays just fine. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNwr+YHpf7K2LbpnFEQI5YACfR2xcJnlnbcIO/L2cSZXPGWmysnYAnRDE G45MphfExDWaEvJlN9ale9bL =dAJq -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Xauth, how to get rid of it?
I may be missing something here. But is xhost + what you want?? Steve Lamb wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 23:34:41 -0700 (PDT), George Bonser wrote: Steve, you do not want to get rid of xauth ... exactly what problem are you having? Why not? There are other methods of protecting the X port than Xauth. Since all machines that I want to do X work are on the local network and on private IP space, I can safely limit it to that block of IPs and be done with it. My problem, exactly, is that Xauth is preventing me form forwarding the display from one Linux box to another Linux box, both running Debian. Meanwhile, my Winbox with Exceed, which does not use Xauth, allows the forwarded displays just fine. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNwr+YHpf7K2LbpnFEQI5YACfR2xcJnlnbcIO/L2cSZXPGWmysnYAnRDE G45MphfExDWaEvJlN9ale9bL =dAJq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Shao Zhang - Running Debian 2.1 ___ _ _ Department of Communications/ __| |_ __ _ ___ |_ / |_ __ _ _ _ __ _ University of New South Wales \__ \ ' \/ _` / _ \ / /| ' \/ _` | ' \/ _` | Sydney, Australia |___/_||_\__,_\___/ /___|_||_\__,_|_||_\__, | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |___/ _
Re: Xauth, how to get rid of it?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 07 Apr 1999 16:49:00 +, Shao Zhang wrote: I may be missing something here. But is xhost + what you want?? Ah, my savior. xhost +[machine name] worked nicely. Thanks for the help. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNwsBbHpf7K2LbpnFEQL1mgCgiOiWw7a0ylromVRRZcjxf+lIMl4AoPnk gcfe/rdIpuRqWrvAfg5CJieH =diTJ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Xauth, how to get rid of it?
On 07-Apr-99 Shao Zhang wrote: I may be missing something here. But is xhost + what you want?? I believe that is one way to do it, but not the best way. -- Andrew [PGP5.0 Key ID 0x5EE61C37]
Re: Xauth, how to get rid of it?
That is right. According to the HOWTO I read a while ago, hackers can overflow the buffers to lock the keyboard and mouse. The standard way is to use the Xauthority to generate a cookie to the client. But if on a private network, xhost + will just do. :) Shao. Pollywog wrote: On 07-Apr-99 Shao Zhang wrote: I may be missing something here. But is xhost + what you want?? I believe that is one way to do it, but not the best way. -- Andrew [PGP5.0 Key ID 0x5EE61C37] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Shao Zhang - Running Debian 2.1 ___ _ _ Department of Communications/ __| |_ __ _ ___ |_ / |_ __ _ _ _ __ _ University of New South Wales \__ \ ' \/ _` / _ \ / /| ' \/ _` | ' \/ _` | Sydney, Australia |___/_||_\__,_\___/ /___|_||_\__,_|_||_\__, | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |___/ _
Re: Mars_nwe as deb
On Wed, 07 Apr 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, where can I find mars_nwe in deb package ? It is in project/experimental. przemol Joop -- Joop Stakenborg PA4TU [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xauth, how to get rid of it?
On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 12:11:54AM -0700, George Bonser wrote: But now any user at [machine name] may monitor everything you do. Considering it is my laptop and I am the only user, I'm not all that worried. And if I were on my laptop going to my main machine (sometimes happens) then it is me, a pop account for my parents, and about 3-4 daemon accounts. Again, I'm not worried. If anyone gets in, them spying on my X sessions is the least of my concerns. -- Steve C. Lamb | Opinions expressed by me are not my http://www.calweb.com/~morpheus| employer's. They hired me for my ICQ: 5107343 | skills and labor, not my opinions! ---+- pgpESeAeWop9x.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Hi, where can I find mars_nwe in deb package ? It is in project/experimental. Does it mean that I cannot download it ? If I can - where ? przemol
re: mars_nwe
Hi, where can I find mars_nwe in deb package ? It is in project/experimental. Does it mean that I cannot download it ? If I can - where ? przemol
Re: Discussion with Pine developers Debian Issues
Terry, Sorry if I misrepresented your position, broke off does carry too much connotative baggage. - Bruce -- On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Terry Gray wrote: Bruce, I would have been much happier with phrasing such as has not yet responded rather than the much more pejorative broke off communications... Sigh. Whatever.
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I am having some problem with sendmail 8.9.3 which i have recently compile on my operating system Bsd/Os 3.0 the error what i am getting is relaying denied Please check the message recipients and try again I have check my relay domains entry or some other configuration but i did'nt find any thing. if any one can helpme about it.
KDE/Qt Status in Debian dists
Hi, I've installed the Hamm (=2.0) distribution of Debian Linux from CD, and I intended from the start to install KDE as quickly as I could, but Debian has since gone to Slink (=2.1). On the Hamm CDs, the Qt library required by KDE is not included for licensing reasons. However, the Troll Tech website claims the newer versions of Qt are free software, apparently resolving previous licensing conflicts. (?) The Qt library debian package _is_ on the FTP site, but unfortunately, when I try to update the package from there using dselect, I get a cascade of dependencies -- basically dselect wants to upgrade my whole system to the Slink distribution. This would be okay, except for the downtime. I'd prefer to get the Slink CDs, but will the Qt library be on them? I have little time to work with this computer, and I fear that if I get Slink, Potato will be out before I get the Qt package, and I'll be back where I started. :) Also, can you get dselect to _downgrade_ your packages? I've now got some kind of mixture of Hamm and Slink packages on this system, and I'm not sure how stable that is. I wish dselect gave you a little more control, but I haven't quite figured out how to do everything with dpkg. Would appreciate any help at all, thanks! Terry Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE/Qt Status in Debian dists
Just bypass the whole package manager, download the source, compile and install. This way when you decide to upgrade you won't have to worry about qt-kde getting broken unless some of their support libraries change. And even if that does happen, it would just mean that you would need to recompile install. Sean Terry Hancock wrote: Hi, I've installed the Hamm (=2.0) distribution of Debian Linux from CD, and I intended from the start to install KDE as quickly as I could, but Debian has since gone to Slink (=2.1). On the Hamm CDs, the Qt library required by KDE is not included for licensing reasons. However, the Troll Tech website claims the newer versions of Qt are free software, apparently resolving previous licensing conflicts. (?) The Qt library debian package _is_ on the FTP site, but unfortunately, when I try to update the package from there using dselect, I get a cascade of dependencies -- basically dselect wants to upgrade my whole system to the Slink distribution. This would be okay, except for the downtime. I'd prefer to get the Slink CDs, but will the Qt library be on them? I have little time to work with this computer, and I fear that if I get Slink, Potato will be out before I get the Qt package, and I'll be back where I started. :) Also, can you get dselect to _downgrade_ your packages? I've now got some kind of mixture of Hamm and Slink packages on this system, and I'm not sure how stable that is. I wish dselect gave you a little more control, but I haven't quite figured out how to do everything with dpkg. Would appreciate any help at all, thanks! Terry Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Sendmail
Shaikh Abdul Tahir wrote: Where i can find sendmail listserver or somebody have that link please sendme Tahnx -- Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Steve Lamb wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 6 Apr 1999 19:10:33 -0600 (MDT), John Galt wrote: I posited a problem wherein FTP and HTTP were both unavailable, so the obvious solution is mail--NOT snail mail, email. And if email isn't available? And the protocol after that? And after that? But the emailing standard predates both FTP and HTTP, thus the situation existed once. It reminds me of a discussion a while back I had in the newsgroups against people who were so determined that everyone must know how to use vi to be called unix proficient. I told them I've been using Linux for 2+ years, unix in general for 5+ years, was a SysAdmin and didn't know, care to know, or felt the need to learn vi. My answer, joe. and the situation also existed once wherein joe wasn't an option, thus vi was required learning. Well, one guy came up with a great situation. What if... What if I were on a machine that had no compiler, had no net access, no floppy drive, had no other editors or things which could be used *as* editors (sed ed come to mind) but did have vi. How would I then edit files? I declared the machine unusable as it was obviously so archaic and/or esoteric that it is beyond and reasonable need of mine and I would promptly turn it off and find a real machine. try doing that in the pre-joe days, and your alternative might've been not to use a computer at all. Your situation is the same. It is easy to make a case where your answer is the only solution simply by excluding all other viable solutions. What if... What if both FTP and HTTP are unavailable. In such a situation, you've got problems more than email because if those two *basic* and *standard* protocols aren't available then your network is, in a word, fucked. Maybe, but why the FTP-email gateways then? it might have been that they were once needed, no? As in the situation with vi, there comes a point when you just go elsewhere for the solution. Just because every sane protocol is unavailable gives you a reason to break and abuse any protocol which is left and, further, to demand that other systems allow you to break said protocol. In my 6 month tenure as postmaster at my former job, a local ISP, I had two people complain to me because we would not allow email messages larger than 5Mb. They would not hear about DoS issues, or storage issues, or how to properly move the data, they wanted their attachments or else. I told both, or else. If they could find an ISP which suited their needs, they were more then welcome. That is why I am so vehemently opposed to anyone using email for large attachments. That is why I say that as the size of the attachment goes up, its value goes down. At some point it is better to use another protocol for a variety of technical and social reasons, EVEN IF it is the only protocol available (IE, another protocol is mail it) and EVEN IF the file is requested by the other user. So you threw out the baby with the bathwater, then blamed the people who complained about the lack of the baby? I just redefined hostile ISP--mine is positively friendly by those standards. The variety of technical reasons are all recent additions: FTP was actually a solution to the large attachments problem, but not a complete one--mostly because the site-building and access granting process was more trouble than some files was worth. HTTP was another solution, provided that you didn't mind making the file world-readable. Thus the protocol of email isn't being broken when a large attachment is sent via email, it's being used as intended, you have just misconstrued the fixes as being complete, which they're still not. The abuses are there, but there are times when FTP and HTTP are unusable-- And in those cases I have described the proper response. If it is an ISP, change ISPs. Any ISP which does not provide space and the meens for anonymous FTP and web space with a functional HTTP server is screwing you. If it is because of corporate policy, either use an ISP or go over IT's head because they are obviously a bunch of clueless nits. In the interim, mail it. Hm. I guess that the old DECnet must've been hell for you then. This problem is going to be with us a long time, and carping about the unsuitability one of the protocols for large files ain't helping. Meanwhile another problem is going to be with us for a long time. It is caled the Denial of Service attack. Furthermore, even legit attachments cause problems. In some cases with qpopper and Eudora (All versions to date) if a large attachment (1Mb is large enough) hits the mailbox, Eudora chokes and will not download it. Outlook(9X/Express) has a similar problem, I just don't know the rough size that triggers it. A person who uses PMMail got a 6.5Mb attachment. PMMail would download it fine, but he wanted to get it
Re: KDE/Qt Status in Debian dists
On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 05:11:27 -0400, Sean wrote: Just bypass the whole package manager, download the source, compile and install. Bypassing the package manager is usually a bad idea, unless you compile the source to install outside the package manager controlled directories, e.g. by --prefix=/usr/local, and if necessary use equivs to tell the package management system about this software. Ray -- POPULATION EXPLOSION Unique in human experience, an event which happened yesterday but which everyone swears won't happen until tomorrow. - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan
Re: KDE/Qt Status in Debian dists
On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 00:45:31 +, Terry Hancock wrote: On the Hamm CDs, the Qt library required by KDE is not included for licensing reasons. However, the Troll Tech website claims the newer versions of Qt are free software, Qt 2.0 will be licensed under the QPL 1.0, which is a license that is free according to the Debian Free Software Guidelines, and thus is suitable for inclusion in main. Qt 2.0 is currently in beta; it is not released yet. apparently resolving previous licensing conflicts. (?) No. The analysis given in http://www.debian.org/News/1998/19981008 still holds for a QPL-licensed Qt, as the QPL is not a GPL-compatible license. There have been rumours that KDE's licensing terms will change though (e.g. by explicitly allowing KDE to be linked against a QPL-licensed Qt (a la the LyX license (http://www.lyx.org)), or by switching to a BSD-style license), which would resolve the licensing conflict, and allow KDE in Debian (in main once we have Qt 2.0). I am not aware of an official promise by the KDE developers in this regard; does someone have a pointer? The Qt library debian package _is_ on the FTP site, but unfortunately, when I try to update the package from there using dselect, I get a cascade of dependencies -- basically dselect wants to upgrade my whole system to the Slink distribution. This would be okay, except for the downtime. Aren't there KDE and Qt packages for Hamm in .deb format on ftp.kde.org? (Or else, there's at least a Qt for Hamm at http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/hamm/non-free/binary-i386/libs/). I'd prefer to get the Slink CDs, but will the Qt library be on them? No. There was no free Qt yet at the time of Slink's code freeze; there isn't one now yet. There is of course a Qt package for use with Slink in dists/stable/non-free on the FTP sites. HTH, Ray -- POPULATION EXPLOSION Unique in human experience, an event which happened yesterday but which everyone swears won't happen until tomorrow. - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan
Re: Netscape immortal?
On Tue, Apr 06, 1999 at 04:18:32PM -0400, Mitch Blevins wrote: [...] This happens to me often with Netscape 4.51 and 4.08. Although it is immortal when faced with a windowmanager kill signal, is has always died properly when faced with a kill -9 pid I found that kill -12 (USR2) is more gracious. Netscape saves bookmarks and history files. Mirek
Re: KDE/Qt Status in Debian dists
J.H.M. Dassen wrote: On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 05:11:27 -0400, Sean wrote: Just bypass the whole package manager, download the source, compile and install. Bypassing the package manager is usually a bad idea, unless you compile the source to install outside the package manager controlled directories, e.g. by --prefix=/usr/local, and if necessary use equivs to tell the package management system about this software. When you install compiled source it defaults to installing under /usr/local (99.9% of the time). And I don't like the idea of telling the package manager about stuff that I've compiled myself, as I think that is a recipie for disaster. What the package manager doesn't know won't hurt it. Currently I'm running Debian 2.1 with a lot of compiled software on it. When I was using 2.0, I downloaded egcs-1.1.1 and the pgcc patches, built the new pentium-optimized compilers (I use a dual ppro system), and uninstalled the debian egcs packages. I also downloaded the qt, kde, windowmaker, gtk-1.2.1, gimp-1.0.4, and gobs of other sourcecode which I have since compiled with pentium-optimizations without any problems. It all gets thrown into /usr/local/ be default so it's easy to see what binaries have been produced from compilation and which ones have come from packages. I then even used apt-get dist-upgrade to move from 2.0 to 2.1. apt-get downloaded all the updates for the deb packages that I have installed and left all the stuff I've compiled alone. Everything still works great. Personally this is why I like Debian. It lets you use the package manager for as much of the system as you want, but you can still compile as much or as little software as you like to suit your particular needs. And for some things, I much prefer to update by downloading a new tarball, and running configure make make install (after slipping in the pentiumpro optimizations, of course). Sean
Re: X busted after 2.0 - 2.1 upgrade
On 06 Apr 1999q, Raymond A. Ingles wrote: I upgraded (at least, with CD 1) from 2.0 - 2.1 last night, and everything seemed to be fine. I quit dselect, fired up X, and while running X, looked at some notes I had made preparing for the upgrade. I purged xbase, since it's been claimed that it's no longer needed. Everything still ran fine. I powered things off for the night and went to bed. I got up this morning, powered up, logged on, and then: --- $ startx _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 giving up. xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. --- What the heck? Did I jump the gun on removing xbase? Any idea what's up, or how to find what's up? Now that you say this, I realize I had just the same experience (twice, in fact, on different machines). Something wrong with the install advice, I think. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - running Linux Debian 2.1 Book Reviews: www.achc.demon.co.uk/bookreviews/ The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on... - Edward Fitzgerald (Rubaiat of Omar Khayyam)
re: mars_nwe
On Wed, 07 Apr 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, where can I find mars_nwe in deb package ? It is in project/experimental. Does it mean that I cannot download it ? If I can - where ? look for the project directory on any ftp server which has a mirror of ftp.debian.org przemol -- Joop Stakenborg PA4TU [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE/Qt Status in Debian dists
On Wed, 07 Apr 1999, J.H.M. Dassen wrote: On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 05:11:27 -0400, Sean wrote: Just bypass the whole package manager, download the source, compile and install. Bypassing the package manager is usually a bad idea, unless you compile the source to install outside the package manager controlled directories, e.g. by --prefix=/usr/local, and if necessary use equivs to tell the package management system about this software. KDE as well as Qt install into /usr/local by default. Ray Greets, Joop -- Joop Stakenborg PA4TU [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X busted after 2.0 - 2.1 upgrade
I'm not sure about this, but perhaps you should remove, rather than purge, the xbase package. This is what I did, and I did not get this problem. The difference between purging and removing is that removing leaves configuration files alone, so perhaps purging xbase removes config files necessary to run startx?? This is just a guess. Rich Anthony Campbell wrote: On 06 Apr 1999q, Raymond A. Ingles wrote: I upgraded (at least, with CD 1) from 2.0 - 2.1 last night, and everything seemed to be fine. I quit dselect, fired up X, and while running X, looked at some notes I had made preparing for the upgrade. I purged xbase, since it's been claimed that it's no longer needed. Everything still ran fine. I powered things off for the night and went to bed. I got up this morning, powered up, logged on, and then: --- $ startx _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2 giving up. xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. --- What the heck? Did I jump the gun on removing xbase? Any idea what's up, or how to find what's up? Now that you say this, I realize I had just the same experience (twice, in fact, on different machines). Something wrong with the install advice, I think. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - running Linux Debian 2.1 Book Reviews: www.achc.demon.co.uk/bookreviews/ The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on... - Edward Fitzgerald (Rubaiat of Omar Khayyam) -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
module ppp-compress-21 not found
hi. List, I have no problem connecting to my isp and I don't have any problems with my transfer rate but in /var/log/messages I keep seeing this error messages; can't locate module ppp-compress-21. I have managed to disable this error message but I am still wondering exactly what incompleteness is causing these error messages (there are two more ppp-compress-24 and 27 if I recall correctly). thanks. Luc = -=Ddon't fix it if it is not broken=- -=don't fix it if it is not broken=- Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
Re: What DO you lose with Linux ???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 03:36:40 -0600 (MDT), John Galt wrote: But the emailing standard predates both FTP and HTTP, thus the situation existed once. Excuse me? Which emailing standard? AFAICT by the RFCs email emerged as its own protocol around the 700s. Meanwhile FTP was being discussed back in the 400s more than 7 years previous to 780, Mail Transfer Protocol and 8 years before Simple Mail Transfer Protocol. To me, FTP predates SMTP/POP/IMAP by quite a bit, esp. when most of the eariler mail documents refer to moving mail via FTP. and the situation also existed once wherein joe wasn't an option, thus vi was required learning. Once, but not *now*. The DoS attack is going to exist no matter what is done to stop it. It is an artifact of TCP/IP networking: the only thing that can truly not be denied is what isn't there. Shutting down a part of an existing protocol because of it is ludicrous at best. The professionals that keep the internet running, for the most part, know this, thus the minor fact that large attachments to email exist to this date. Much to the begrudgement of every postmaster I've ever spoken to. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNws6S3pf7K2LbpnFEQJDbwCfXDLjjxSNd50U9a1M22GPavCZoJEAoLkf M4V8ZNflsbS5vnm72IO9soub =PJxn -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Xauth, how to get rid of it?
On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, George Bonser wrote in response to Steve Lamb, on 6 Apr 1999: Subject: Re: Xauth, how to get rid of it? Steve, you do not want to get rid of xauth ... exactly what problem are you having? I have a slightly different problem: The presence of Xauth prevents me from starting X (via startx) the SECOND time. I just rm it after each X session. There Has To Be A Better Solution applies here as well as to a ubiquitous PC operating system we love to hate. How do I fix this? David Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software stability should be expected. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Subject says all. Trying to get apps to display on remote machines. I can do it fine to my Winbox, but that is because it isn't using Xauth. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNwr57Xpf7K2LbpnFEQLcMgCgtRnThlRuwhmdKcU4LSA/CItp40EAoILo exIASDQGEGB0av4ZpF1Ftx28 =Vsyj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null George Bonser Support The THING -- http://shorelink.com/~grep/THING.html -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Why was gs-aladdin removed as recommends from magicfilter?
Brian Servis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Recommends: lpr | lprng, gs (= 3.33) | gs-aladdin to Recommends: lpr | lprng, gs (= 3.33) Isn't this carrying the free/non-free argument a bit far? In addition, the packages in main = * must not require a package outside of main for compilation or =execution (thus, the package may not declare a Depends or =Recommends relationship on a non-main package), If that is the reason then I think this either a bug in the policy or a misinterpretation of it. It does not require it because the recommends is on gs | gs-alladin. i.e. you can satisfy it with the DFSG free version of gs. Jan
package dependencies
Hi, If I download the source code for something, compile it, and install it, how do I get dpkg to know that it's there? I downloaded a new version of qt from trolltech's web site and installed it on my machine. Then I downloaded kde debian packages and tried to install them. dpkg complained that qt was not installed. Thanks, Rich ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Permission mismatch
Hi, I keep getting this fiendly email from cron: /etc/cron.daily/suidmanager: /usr/sbin/sendmail PERMISSION MISMATCH: was root.root 777 changed to root.root 4755 I am using exim so the sendmail refered to is just a symbolic link. But I still would like to know why this happens. TIA Regards, Christian Dysthe Opera Software A/S Voice: 1-210-490-5197 Fax: 1-210-402-3482 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.operasoftware.com ICQ: 3945810 Date: 07-Apr-99 Time: 08:18:56 This message was sent by XFmail Powered by Debian GNU/Linux
Re: Xauth, how to get rid of it?
I may be missing something here. But is xhost + what you want?? Ah, my savior. xhost +[machine name] worked nicely. Thanks for the help. How about ssh? Do ssh remote_machine remote_app and ssh will set up the xauth stuff _for_ you. Will -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | |PGP Public Key: http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/index.html#pgpkey| -- | You think you're so smart, but I've seen you naked | | and I'll prob'ly see you naked again ... | | --The Barenaked Ladies, Blame It On Me | --
Re: Xauth, how to get rid of it?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 7 Apr 1999 09:29:49 -0400 (EDT), Will Lowe wrote: How about ssh? Do ssh remote_machine remote_app and ssh will set up the xauth stuff _for_ you. M, IIRC that doesn't set up the environment, however, which I need. - -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. - ---+- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQA/AwUBNwtjUnpf7K2LbpnFEQIFvACfX0KyRH1c8W/Vxx0bOvsQZnHTwsMAoJvR yhxr0uhmsnGryq5MPA5PVpOD =6jcx -END PGP SIGNATURE-
xdm won't start X
hi, when I try to login through xdm, it disappears, I expect my X (windowmaker) to start up, but xdm comes back! as if nothing happened. I'd like to tell you more, but I can't figure out where to look for error messages... I read the xdm man page (some of it) and I don't want to have to use the -debug option! hope someone can help, i like a graphical login much more and i'd like to try and start a remote x session from a sun at uni! woo hoo. thanx, Paul
Re: xdm won't start X
Look at your .xsession-errors or /var//log/xdm.log to see what is says for errors and get back to me craig Paul Harris wrote: hi, when I try to login through xdm, it disappears, I expect my X (windowmaker) to start up, but xdm comes back! as if nothing happened. I'd like to tell you more, but I can't figure out where to look for error messages... I read the xdm man page (some of it) and I don't want to have to use the -debug option! hope someone can help, i like a graphical login much more and i'd like to try and start a remote x session from a sun at uni! woo hoo. thanx, Paul -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: netscape and libXpm
In a message dated 4/6/99 5:44:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: $ /usr/local/netscape/netscape /usr/local/netscape/netscape: can't load library 'libXpm.so.4' all the xpm pkgs in stable/x11 are installed. Is it possible you have the libc6 versions of xmp installed and not the libc5 versions that Netscape requires? -Jay
mars packagae
what is this mars package I keep seeing
Re: flexfax: customizing coverpages?
Keith G. Murphy wrote: Daryl Williams wrote: hello, i have just set up a hylafax server and i would like to customize the cover page. it currently prints a silicon graphics logo. is there a way to change this? also the cover page does not contain company, regarding, or comment information although we are passing these from sendfax. any ideas, or rtfs are welcomed, especially with a pointer to the fm. i am running the server on a redhat linux system. please repond directly, as i am not subscribed to this group. But why *aren't* you subscribed? As you should know by your sig, *sharing* is what it's about. Anyway, I'll reply to you personally this *once*... [etc] Woops, sorry, I posted that to this group by mistake. Meant it to go to the flexfax list. The funny thing is, Daryl mailed me that he *is* subscribed to the debian-users list, so he saw my reply here, *and* in E-mail. :-) Small world...
