Re: debian installation

1999-08-20 Thread pplaw
debs,

for all it's worth, i've tried the floppies, countless downloads, and,
recently--today, the cd's; and all i have to show for the last 3 months is a 
box that
boots linux, with  no xwindows and no internet, yet.

i'll be glad when i get there.

bentley.


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>
> << Strange, I've not had this experience at all.  Perhaps you should try
>  Corel's new Linux distro based on Debian, but with more "User-friendly"
>  installation ... (I've not tried it myself). >>
>
> I think it also depends on how you're installing...i've done floppy
> installation, and local hard drive installation.  Floppy is much harder to
> do.  I would assume CD is the easiest, because you could put a bunch of files
> on it and initialize them all right away, instead of having to download them
> and then install them.
>
> Colin Winters
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Migrate them slowly

1999-08-20 Thread Stephen Pitts
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 06:53:54PM -, Pollywog wrote:
> I have used Mahogany and have it installed, but it still does not work as
> well as xfmail.  I will try it again when the next package update takes
> place.  Too buggy now.
> 

Yeah, but it looks _really_ promising. The embedded Python is a cool
idea. Once it does threading as well as mutt, I'll look into it
seriously. 

To make it easy for newbies to migrate, we replace their
components one a time under Windows using a windows port of dpkg:
Outlook Express -> Mahogany
Word-> AbiWord
Excel   -> Gnumeric
Command.com -> bash (or zsh) with the cygnus tools
Photoshop   -> Gimp
IE  -> Mozilla

a lot of other programs exist for unix that look and function like their
windows counterparts (like icq stuff, xmms, IglooFTP/gftp, et. al).

and then the kicker:
Explorer's UI   -> LiteStep (Afterstep/WindowMaker for windows)

Gradually, a little at a time, we get them used to it. Then, we replace
the kernel. An experienced user helps them set it up, and they already
know how to use the programs. Voila! We have a new Debian user!
-- 
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PCL 5 and Magicfilter

1999-08-20 Thread Lazar Fleysher
Hi Everybody,

I have a Winprinter :( and it can simulate PCL5 with 600dpi resolution.
The printer is connected to a win machine and I use samba to print to it.
The question is which device should I use for magic filter configuration?
Currently, I have set up the filter to use laserjet (which is, I think,
PCL2 with 300 dpi).Definitely, it is not 600dpi.

Thank you,

ZORO



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escaping novell network and 21041 ethernet card

1999-08-20 Thread Richard E. Hawkins Esq.

The new^h^h^h  machine waiting on my desk when I arrived here was,
as I expected, on the dark side.  I've performed the preliminary
exorcisms, but can't get the network going.  

This thing is on a novell network, and has an SMC ethernet card with
a dec 21041 chip.  The de4x5 module installs just fine, but I can't
get the network to start.  I've looked at the howto, but the only
novell references seem to be about using novell servers (which is one
of next week's tasks).  For the moment, I just want this working;.

Under windows, it seems to have the same IP address every time.  I can
ping & traceroute this address once I telnet out, and it seems to be
the same one every time.  There is only one hop at the university
before this mac hine, and it is at 1.1 in the Class A domain for the
University.  I've told the network configuration that this is my
rooter. 

Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get the network running?  The
prospect of using windows and word is more than a little chilling
. . . 

rick


Re: Debian-* & procmail recipe

1999-08-20 Thread Kris
Pollywog wrote:

>I have tried to get procmail to start from my exim .forward file, but it
>does not work.  I instead went to sortmail, which starts from my Exim
>.forward file, but it does not do fancy stuff like what you mentioned in
>your post.
>
>The reason I tried sortmail is that it is written in C and
>it should run faster than Exim scripts.

I personally don't see the point in having an unnecessary step with the
process of mail delivery. I also get rid of problems with domain set up
with Exim (no, not the :localhost thing). So, fetchmail just calls
procmail directly:

poll "mail.globalnet.co.uk" protocol POP3 username "dufas" password
"mypass" mda "procmail -d smaug" options fetchall

That's all one line, and I use it with an account where mail can be
addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], or any other value for XYZ,
including [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ultra-basic .procmailrc which will put mail into a single mailbox (set
with the "DEFAULT:" part):

-- Start ---
PATH=/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/bin:/home/smaug/bin
MAILDIR=/home/smaug/mail
LOGFILE=/home/smaug/mail/.log/procmail.log
VERBOSE=ON
LOGABSTRACT=all
SHELL=/bin/sh
TMPDIR=/tmp
DEFAULT=/home/smaug/mail/inbox
--- End ---

I sort my mail into mailboxes like ~/mail/lists/debian-user/1999-08 so
no single mbox can get too large. Handy for getting rid of old mail,
too.

Simple delivery recipe for new users, so they don't have to figure it
out from the many examples:

--- Start ---
# Freshmeat
:0:
* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/home/smaug/mail/lists/freshmeat/${MONTHSTRING}
--- End ---

I have ${MONTHSTRING} set with "MONTHSTRING=`date +%Y-%m`" right at the
top of my procmailrc. (Note: It would be "^From:.*", but apparently the
From: header might not have the colon (it's an RFC thing)).

And lets throw in another couple just for the sake of it. Maybe I'll add
a header to certain posts or something so that my .sig is changed to
"Campaign For Proper Sig Delimiters" when I reply to various posts...

# Correct wrong sig-dashes
:0 fBw
* ^--$
| sed -e 's/^--$/-- /'

# Put any duplicate message into 'duplicates' mbox
:0Whc:.msgid.lock
| formail -D 8192 .msgid.cache
 :0a:
  /home/smaug/mail/duplicates

# Add [Kris] to the subject if the body contains my name
:0 fBw
* (\|\)
| sed -e 's/^\(Subject: .*\)\[Kris\] /\1/' \
  -e 's/Re: Re: /Re: /'\
  -e 's/^Subject: \(.*\)/Subject: [Kris] \1/'

# Correct OE stupidness; could add "AW:" too
:0 fHw
* ^Subject:.*SV:
| sed -e 's/SV:/Re:/g'

# Remove various headers from debian-{all of them} list
:0 fhw
* ^X-Mailing-List:.*debian
| formail -I Resent-Message-ID:  \
  -I Resent-From:\
  -I X-Envelope-From:\
  -I X-Accept-Language:  \
  -I X-Envelope-Sender:  \
  -I Resent-Cc:  \
  -I Resent-Date:\
  -I Resent-Sender:  \
  -I Received:   \
  -I X-Loop: \
  -I Precedence: \
  -I Sender: \
  -I X-Envelope-To:

# Record message-ID log. To only record non-mailing list
# messages, put this after all mailing list delivery recipes.
YEAR=`date +%Y`
MONTH=`date +%m`
DAY=`date +%d`
HOURS=`date +%H`
MINUTES=`date +%M`
SECONDS=`date +%S`

:0
* ^Message-Id: \/.*
{
MESSAGEID = "$MATCH"
}

GZIPHERE=`echo -e \
"$MESSAGEID\t$YEAR-$MONTH-$DAY\t\t$HOURS:$MINUTES:$SECONDS" \
 | gzip >> /home/smaug/mail/.log/mail-$YEAR-$MONTH.gz`

Yes, I know that one's fork()-intensive, but it's perfectly fast enough
for me.

If anyone else has got any other nifty procmail bits & bats, then please
share them :-) That doesn't include the ones which are in the FAQs like
the PGP-compliant-mail-maker one :-)

Oh, and if anyone feels like taking a peek at a MIME filtering question
(not to do with procmail) at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on your
local news server (comp.mail.mime), then it would be very much
appreciated...

Ciao,
  Kris (currently swearing at his monitor because it died an hour ago)

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Re: problem about downloading

1999-08-20 Thread Andreas Piesk
on Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Jack Lee wrote:
> Hi:
> 
>I'm always using Netscape for downloading,
> but connection is not perfect sometimes.
> I'm just wondering if there's anything like
> Getright, which resumes downloading files at
> anyn time.
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Jack
> 
hiho,

what about wget? works great.

ciao -ap


Re: Problem with dialing and pppd.

1999-08-20 Thread Alan Harper
At 02:48 AM 8/21/99 , Lars Nixdorf wrote:
>hallo,
>
>how could I connect with a modem form a linux mashine to a Win NT RAS
server? I
>have to use chap.
>It doesn't work for me. I need only the whole line for pppd. I doesn't
want to
>use option files or so. If I send a ip-packet the line should go up.
>
>Any suggestions? what is the Line to start it? 
>
>Thanks
>
>--
>Lars Nixdorf   Planet GmbH
>Email  : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Residence Park 1-7
>Telefon: +49-385-3030-019065 Raben Steinfeld
>
>
hi!
Ordanairly, it should work fine. However, I'm suspecting that, the NT
server has been set to require encryption, which doesn't come with the
standard version of pppd.

There is another version which does do this, and I have seen an RPM for it
in the RedHat crpto ftp site, but I haven't came across it for debian.
(Somebody out, please correct me if i'm wrong)

Alan
 
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Re: VMware on debian: module compilation

1999-08-20 Thread Regis Duchesne
Brian Servis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Excellent, I can't wait.  
> 
> Is the install process truely dependent on the currently running kernel
> matching the kernel headers that the user points to?  Being able to
> compile the modules for other kernels without having to reboot into
> that kernel would be handy.  
Well, at the end of the install, we just need modules that will insmod 
with the kernel that will be running when the user will use
vmware.

But I don't think I will propose to build modules other than for the
running kernel, because clueless users don't upgrade their kernel that 
often, and advanced users will figure out that they have to do something
like make KERNEL_HEADER=/foo/bar/my_kernel_version to do what they
want.

> Will this new and improved install script(and Makefiles) be made
> available before the next point release of vmware?  Or will this be
> enough to warrant a point release of vmware?
I will try. As with gcc 2.95 modifications, I can't promise anything
because we are in feature freeze right now, but they will probably be
in the first refresh of the VMware release 1.1

PS: If you have other questions, please don't CC the debian list anymore,
this is becoming off-topic.

Best regards,
-- 
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www  http://www.VMware.com/
   (O o) I use Linux (1135 KB/s over 10Mb/s ethernet)
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Modem/PPP Problems

1999-08-20 Thread Kelly Lesperance
PPP is setup and configured, and it works fine, only the connect speed is
never reported.  If I look in /var/log/messages it just says "CONNECT" with
no speed.  I've tried a bunch of init strings (Including the one I use in
Windows for the same modem), but nothing seems to work.  The modem I'm using
is a USRobotics Sportster 56K External Data/Fax.  Ultimately, I'd like for
connect speed as well as the local and remote IPs to be echoed to the
console when a connection is established.  Thanks,

Kelly Lesperance


Re: Is bash as feature-rich as tcsh?

1999-08-20 Thread Joey Hess
Justin Wells wrote:
> If you're not careful here you're going to start an enormous flame war,
> with religion on all sides.

Only if people read only the subject of the message, as you appear to have
done. He was asking a very specific question, which has only one answer.
It's not a religious thing.

> On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 04:24:48PM +0200, Andy Spiegl wrote:
> > Am I missing something or is bash really not capable of doing that?
> > PS: We don't have to argue which shell is better for programming.
> > I know it's not tcsh. :-)

And yes Andy, bash cannot do that, though zsh can. I migrated from tcsh to
zsh; it's a pretty easy migration. zsh is very similar to bash, but it has
extra features like tab completion and it also has special tcsh-style
features that can be enabled to ease the transition from tcsh (over the
years, I turned them all off..).

-- 
see shy jo


Re: e2fsck w/out boot?

1999-08-20 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Guilherme Soares Zahn  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>I was wondering if there' s a way to run e2fsck w/out booting the
>machine... I know I'd have to remount my / partition as read-only, run
>e2fsck & remount the partition as rw, but I can't seem to be able to do
>the first step (the system says / is busy)...

Go to single user mode ("shutdown now", no flags).

>The reason I ask that is because earlier today X aborted complaining
>of (got it from syslog):
>
>Aug 20 09:56:26 groo kernel: free_one_pmd: bad directory entry 0400

This doesn't have anything to do with the filesystem. It means that
something in the virtual memory system is messed up. This can be caused
by a kernel bug or by bad hardware (bad RAM mostly, overclocking, or
wrong BIOS settings).

Mike.
-- 
... somehow I have a feeling the hurting hasn't even begun yet
-- Bill, "The Terrible Thunderlizards"


Re: restricted shell

1999-08-20 Thread Stephen Pitts
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 12:03:52PM +0200, J Horacio MG wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I know of the existance of a restricted shell, though I'm not sure
> whether this is what I'm after.
Nope, correct me if I'm wrong, but you just want a way to remotely
login to your computer.

> 
> In time, I'll be moving away to another country, and I intend to leave
> my home computer with the current users configured, ie. root (of
> course), my sister, and I.  I'd also like to create a "guest" user with
> some little (hence restricted) access.  Is rsh what I should be looking
> for?
I'd say to use telnetd, because there are some nice telnet programs out
there. But, telnet is insecure, and by default the only way to log in as
root on telnet is to login as a normal use and 'su' to root.

> 
> Also, I'll need to access the computer both as root and as normal user
> remotely, via the inet, as I cannot give my sister root control (good
> ...!  it took me a lot to convince her to give up windozing, then
> customize her account and installing some nice looking programs, etc...
> sadly enough, mutt doesn't offer a flowers bouquet with each new mail,
> so I had to give her XCMail ;-) );
> is, in this case, ssh what I should be installing?
If you can, do ssh and grab the unix version or the freeware windows
program 'Tera Term Pro'. If not, telnet is a good second choice, because
it comes standard on all Windoze machines (you didn't mention what kind
of computer you will be connecting from).


-- 
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Re: web db suggestions please

1999-08-20 Thread Stephen Pitts
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 06:35:12PM +0100, richard wrote:
> Hi all.
> I'm kinda having a go a developing an intranet at work and I need
> some opinions from any experts out there.
> We have a document register that is obviously used register any
> documents written, written in vb and
> accessing an Access db. Now I would like to move this to this intranet.
> At the moment our server is a
> 486 running debian 2.0. What I'd like to know is what would be the most
> favoured choice of front and back
> ends? I'm thinking cgi *should* be fairly decent for the front end but
> I've never done this before so I'm no
> expert. But I have absolutely no idea what db to use. I need something
> small and fast initially. Suggestions?
> 

Definately go with PHP3 and MySQL. I've had great luck with it.
-- 
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Re: debian installation

1999-08-20 Thread John Hasler
Julian writes:
> You'll find the same problem with ppp which is most likely set up to deny
> all access...

What do you mean by this?  What problems are you having with ppp?

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Re: NFS and file locking

1999-08-20 Thread William T Wilson
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Stephen Pitts wrote:

> Wordperfect (evidently using flock()) works fine. An strace on kexpress,
> however, reveals that gdbm uses fcntrl! Perhaps I'll look into it and
> submit a patch at some point.

It's possble that the NFS client software in the kernel simply translates
fcntl() style locks into flock() style locks for NFS.  I'm not as
in-the-know as I may appear.

> Since you seem to be in the know, does Coda offer any better locking
> support?

Yes.  Although locking via a network is in general a very difficult thing
to get right, Coda is superior to NFS in almost all ways (except maturity,
of course).


Re: (no subject)

1999-08-20 Thread Ben Collins
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 03:01:19PM -0500, Craig Hancock wrote:
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Re: web db suggestions please

1999-08-20 Thread Ben Collins
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 06:35:12PM +0100, richard wrote:
> Hi all.
> I'm kinda having a go a developing an intranet at work and I need
> some opinions from any experts out there.
> We have a document register that is obviously used register any
> documents written, written in vb and
> accessing an Access db. Now I would like to move this to this intranet.
> At the moment our server is a
> 486 running debian 2.0. What I'd like to know is what would be the most
> favoured choice of front and back
> ends? I'm thinking cgi *should* be fairly decent for the front end but
> I've never done this before so I'm no
> expert. But I have absolutely no idea what db to use. I need something
> small and fast initially. Suggestions?

More than likely, one of the sql servers would do you well (haven't used
either mysql nor postgresql so I have no opinions on them). As for the CGI
language, I strongly suggest using php3 (and one of the matching
php3-pgsql or php3-mysql modules for extended language related to the two
above programs).

Ben


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1999-08-20 Thread Craig Hancock
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web db suggestions please

1999-08-20 Thread richard
Hi all.
I'm kinda having a go a developing an intranet at work and I need
some opinions from any experts out there.
We have a document register that is obviously used register any
documents written, written in vb and
accessing an Access db. Now I would like to move this to this intranet.
At the moment our server is a
486 running debian 2.0. What I'd like to know is what would be the most
favoured choice of front and back
ends? I'm thinking cgi *should* be fairly decent for the front end but
I've never done this before so I'm no
expert. But I have absolutely no idea what db to use. I need something
small and fast initially. Suggestions?

Thanks all.



Re: VMware on debian: module compilation

1999-08-20 Thread Brian Servis
*- On 20 Aug, Regis Duchesne wrote about "Re: VMware on debian: module 
compilation"
> is to know what to do with vmware. I will probably modify the install
> script so that it prompts the user for the location of the running
> kernel headers.
> 

Excellent, I can't wait.  

Is the install process truely dependent on the currently running kernel
matching the kernel headers that the user points to?  Being able to
compile the modules for other kernels without having to reboot into
that kernel would be handy.  

Will this new and improved install script(and Makefiles) be made
available before the next point release of vmware?  Or will this be
enough to warrant a point release of vmware?
 
Anxiously waiting,

-- 
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Re: Debian-* & procmail recipe

1999-08-20 Thread Gary L. Hennigan
Pollywog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 20-Aug-99 Kris wrote:
> > Are you fed up of having six or seven useless lines of text and carriage
> > returns at the end of each mail from debian-user and the other lists?
> > Well, fear no more! For a limited period only, you too can have those
> > lines stripped off -- completely free!
> > 
> > Add the following to your .procmailrc:
> 
> I have tried to get procmail to start from my exim .forward file, but it
> does not work.  I instead went to sortmail, which starts from my Exim
> .forward file, but it does not do fancy stuff like what you mentioned in
> your post.

What error message are you getting? I use procmail from exim and
haven't had any trouble. My ~/.forward contains the single line:

"|/usr/local/bin/procmail"

Gary


Re: DFI motherboards

1999-08-20 Thread Greg Vence
I just purchased one but its a P6??? board.  I'll be loading Debian on
it  this weekend...  It's got an AMD K6-III 450 MHz chip.

L8r -- Greg


Jon Hughes wrote:
> 
> Has anyone had experience with DFI motherboards (P2XBL) with Linux?  I'm
> considering purchasing one and am looking for opinions.
>


Re: uploads over modem are SLOOOOOW!

1999-08-20 Thread Stephen Pitts
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 09:00:55AM -0500, Brian Servis wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> dowloads.  I don't set mtu or mru in the ppp config files, after the
> link is up ifconfig shows that mtu is set at 1500.  My latest upload

>From my past experiences, that could be the culprit right there! I've
had connections go from what you experience to near-perfect after I
dropped the MTU to 552 (512 + 40 byte header) or even 296 (256 + 40 byte
header). Check your PPP config files (can't recall where Debian puts
them..haven't needed PPP in over a year) and add 'mru 552' and 'mtu
552'.
-- 
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webmaster - http://www.mschess.org


Re: Is bash as feature-rich as tcsh?

1999-08-20 Thread Justin Wells

Wait... wait... I have one: is emacs as feature-rich as vim? Or how
about this: is Debian as good as Slackware? Or... perhaps... even...
is pine as feature rich as mutt?

If you're not careful here you're going to start an enormous flame war,
with religion on all sides.

I always thought it would be cool to make t-shirts with controversial 
Unix statements on them: "vi is better than emacs", "BSD is better 
than SysV", "POSIX sucks", "mutt is better than pine", "csh rules",
"NEWS is better than X", "motif is beautiful", and so on.

99% of the general public would be absolutely dumbfounded as to 
what the hell your t-shirt meant, but 1% would walk by and an 
odd look followed by a smile would cross their face. 

Anyway, try not to start a flamewar.

Justin




On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 04:24:48PM +0200, Andy Spiegl wrote:
> As a long time tcsh-user I am forced to use bash on some machines.
> I read the complete man page to find out how to set things up
> the way I am used to them from my tcsh setup.
> 
> The part I miss most is the context-sensitive TAB-completion, like
> complete gvn/*/f:*.{ps,eps,pdf,PS,EPS,PDF,ps.gz,eps.gz,\
>pdf.gz,PS.gz,EPS.gz,PDF.gz}/
> complete mutt  c/-/"(a b c f F H i m n p R s v x y z Z h)"/ c/*@/\$hosts/ \
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]@F:$HOME/Mail/@ [EMAIL PROTECTED]@F:$HOME/Mail/@ 
> \
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@ n/-s/x:''/ \
> n/-a/f/ n/-f/f/ n/-F/f/ n/-H/f/ n/-i/f/ \
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]@'`cat 
> $HOME/.local.users;$HOME/bin/list.mail.aliases`'@
> complete rshp/1/\$hosts/ c/-/"(l n)"/   n/-l/u/ N/-l/c/ n/-/c/ p/2/c/ 
> p/*/f/
> 
> ...and so on.
> 
> Am I missing something or is bash really not capable of doing that?
> Thanks a lot in advance,
>  Andy.
> 
> PS: We don't have to argue which shell is better for programming.
> I know it's not tcsh. :-)
> 
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Re: uploads over modem are SLOOOOOW!

1999-08-20 Thread Wim Kerkhoff
I have seen this before on my machine, but it has been a couple of months ago. 
I have no idea what I did to make the problems go away.  I had it in Windows
98 as well, but with Windows that is understandable.  It was only with mail
that I had it -- downloading normal stuff as well.

On 20-Aug-99 Greg Baker wrote:
>> I connect via dial-up with a usual connect of 50666/ARQ/V90/LAPM/V42BIS.
>> When I send a large email with attachments or upload a file it is VERY
>> SLOW.  Watching the traffic on something like pppload or wmppp show
>> only short bursts of intermintent traffic, often there is a 5-7 second
>> pause between the upload bursts.  I don't have any problems with
>> dowloads.  I don't set mtu or mru in the ppp config files, after the
>> link is up ifconfig shows that mtu is set at 1500.  My latest upload
>> test via ftp gave '725473 bytes sent in 1187.13 secs (0.6 kB/s)' and a
>> download test gave '725473 bytes received in 133.82 secs (5.3 kB/s)'.
>> That's a factor of 8.87 speed difference between download and upload!
>> 
>> Do I have to live with this or do I have something configured wrong.
>> I am running kernel 2.2.11 and ppp 2.3.7-3.
> 
> I've observed the same thing with a variety of different configurations.
> I always blamed it on some inherent inefficieny in SMTP or sendmail or
> something.
> 
> That probably isn't the case, though.  SMTP should be no more inefficient
> that HTTP--the data transmission happens in more-or-less the same way. It
> probably isn't sendmail's fault either since I've seen it with sendmail,
> smail and exim at various ends of the connection. 
> 
> Maybe the SMTP servers at our respective ISPs are under heavy load?
> 
> Sorry I haven't helped much, but you're at least not alone.
> 
> Greg
> 

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1999-08-20 Thread Craig Hancock
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RE: Debian-* & procmail recipe

1999-08-20 Thread Pollywog

On 20-Aug-99 Kris wrote:
> Are you fed up of having six or seven useless lines of text and carriage
> returns at the end of each mail from debian-user and the other lists?
> Well, fear no more! For a limited period only, you too can have those
> lines stripped off -- completely free!
> 
> Add the following to your .procmailrc:

I have tried to get procmail to start from my exim .forward file, but it
does not work.  I instead went to sortmail, which starts from my Exim
.forward file, but it does not do fancy stuff like what you mentioned in
your post.

The reason I tried sortmail is that it is written in C and
it should run faster than Exim scripts.

--
Andrew


RE: new release of xfmail?

1999-08-20 Thread Pollywog

On 20-Aug-99 Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> 
> There is none.  Either it works or it does not.  I am using it for now, I
> intend to use Mahogany as my mail client in the future.  But I have to
> get a
> few Debian packages in a row for that to happen.
> 

I have used Mahogany and have it installed, but it still does not work as
well as xfmail.  I will try it again when the next package update takes
place.  Too buggy now.

--
Andrew


Re: uploads over modem are SLOOOOOW!

1999-08-20 Thread Greg Baker
> I connect via dial-up with a usual connect of 50666/ARQ/V90/LAPM/V42BIS.
> When I send a large email with attachments or upload a file it is VERY
> SLOW.  Watching the traffic on something like pppload or wmppp show
> only short bursts of intermintent traffic, often there is a 5-7 second
> pause between the upload bursts.  I don't have any problems with
> dowloads.  I don't set mtu or mru in the ppp config files, after the
> link is up ifconfig shows that mtu is set at 1500.  My latest upload
> test via ftp gave '725473 bytes sent in 1187.13 secs (0.6 kB/s)' and a
> download test gave '725473 bytes received in 133.82 secs (5.3 kB/s)'.
> That's a factor of 8.87 speed difference between download and upload!
> 
> Do I have to live with this or do I have something configured wrong.
> I am running kernel 2.2.11 and ppp 2.3.7-3.

I've observed the same thing with a variety of different configurations.
I always blamed it on some inherent inefficieny in SMTP or sendmail or
something.

That probably isn't the case, though.  SMTP should be no more inefficient
that HTTP--the data transmission happens in more-or-less the same way. It
probably isn't sendmail's fault either since I've seen it with sendmail,
smail and exim at various ends of the connection. 

Maybe the SMTP servers at our respective ISPs are under heavy load?

Sorry I haven't helped much, but you're at least not alone.

Greg

---
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necessarily a good idea."  --RFC-1925 



DFI motherboards

1999-08-20 Thread Jon Hughes
Has anyone had experience with DFI motherboards (P2XBL) with Linux?  I'm
considering purchasing one and am looking for opinions.

Thanks
Jon


Re: Configuring a monitor (power downs)

1999-08-20 Thread Lee Elliott
Hello virtanen,

On 20-Aug-99, you wrote:

...

v> What is PSU?

PSU = Power Supply Unit.  Typically found in PCs in AT or ATX formats -
I think the main difference is in the MB power connector.  I know they
contain enough electronics to shut themselves down if they detect a
short across their power-out lines.

v> I think that I have to keep some break between booting again and
v> shutting down...

There are capacitors/condensors on the MB that will hold a charge, after
full power-down.  About 30 seconds is  usually enough for the charges
to drop to unusable levels.

v> But why didn't  it do it always... that power going down-behaviour?

and ok with M$ :-/  It really seems to point to Debian being
inconsistent.

v> I'll see, if it will start working now, after putting BIOS almost
v> back to 'default' settings. It seems to be the case that someone has
v> made his own settings before me. There might be some other settings
v> changed as well... I'll open the machine during next week. (to see if
v> there is even 'overclocked' cpu)
v> 
v> But the problem is that it was working very well with windows...
v> And not consistetly with debian... 
v> 

Ironic :-/

Does your system still 'power-down' when you shut down W95?  If it does,
disable the W95 power management features from with W95 - probably via
the Control Panel - I can't say for sure as I don't have M$ at home :-)

v> 
v> X works now, because of the new svga-server, which seems to be
v> capable for Mattrox cards.
v> 

Good - well done.

v> 
v> I might have beaten this beast now. 
v> 

Certainly getting an 'angle' on it.

Regards,

LeeE
-- 

http://www.spatial.freeserve.co.uk




Re: VMware on debian: module compilation

1999-08-20 Thread Regis Duchesne
Brian,

> Thanks for taking the time to let us know that you are listening.
You are welcome. That's what I like in companies with a Linux product: 
they are far more aware of their customer's needs.

> I can only point you to documentation that explains the reasons for
> Debian's choice.  The first is probably the most concise and can be
> found in the the kernel-package package in 
> /usr/lib/kernel-package/README.headers(it was also posted to
> debian-user on May 15, 1998 and can be found at 
> http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-user-9805/msg01174.html,
> the second is a more terse version and is in
> /usr/doc/libc6/FAQ.Debian.gz. 
Thank you. My personal take on this is that these reasons were true
with libc5 and they are not true anymore with libc6. That's why it is
time to argue again. My /usr/include contains links to my kernel
headers, I upgrade my kernel often, and nothing breaks when I
compile. I think that the glibc headers do a far  better job to
isolate the kernel headers than the libc5 headers, and this is
probably due to the fact that glibc headers are very portable.

> Unfortunately the FHS does says that the kernel headers should be
> symlinked from /usr/include/{linux,asm}.
I would love to see Debian switch to what the FHS 2.0 recommends.

> primarily fueled by trying to build vmware modules.  The start of the
> thread is at
> http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-policy-9907/msg00117.html.
Thank you for this excellent pointer. As Ben Gertzfield, I do a lot of
kernel development, and it is really cool to have the symlinks. That's 
why I didn't noticed the installation problem, btw.

Anyway, my point is not to have you guys modify the policy. My point
is to know what to do with vmware. I will probably modify the install
script so that it prompts the user for the location of the running
kernel headers.

Thanks for helping me in finding a solution that will benefit both
VMware and Debian,
Best regards,
-- 
Regis "HPReg" Duchesne - Member of Technical Staff - VMWare, Inc.
www  http://www.VMware.com/
   (O o) I use Linux (1135 KB/s over 10Mb/s ethernet)
--.oOO--(_)--OOo.
If cryptography is outlawed, only outlaws will have cryptography


realplayer

1999-08-20 Thread Jocke
Hi all,
I am trying to get realplayer to work but when I try to play
anything I just get a seg. fault.
How to I start debug whats wrong ?

Best regards
Joakim Svensson


Re: uploads over modem are SLOOOOOW!

1999-08-20 Thread Lee Elliott
Hello Brian,

On 20-Aug-99, you wrote:

BS> Hi all,
BS> 
BS> I connect via dial-up with a usual connect of
BS> 50666/ARQ/V90/LAPM/V42BIS. When I send a large email with
BS> attachments or upload a file it is VERY SLOW. Watching the traffic
BS> on something like pppload or wmppp show only short bursts of
BS> intermintent traffic, often there is a 5-7 second pause between the
BS> upload bursts. I don't have any problems with dowloads. I don't set
BS> mtu or mru in the ppp config files, after the link is up ifconfig
BS> shows that mtu is set at 1500. My latest upload test via ftp gave
BS> '725473 bytes sent in 1187.13 secs (0.6 kB/s)' and a download test
BS> gave '725473 bytes received in 133.82 secs (5.3 kB/s)'. That's a
BS> factor of 8.87 speed difference between download and upload!
BS> 
BS> Do I have to live with this or do I have something configured wrong.
BS> I am running kernel 2.2.11 and ppp 2.3.7-3.
BS> 
BS> Thanks for any pointers,
BS> 

Don't forget that V90 isn't symetrical - I believe it's only only on
D/Ls that you'll approach 56K.  I think the U/L rate is still 33.6K
max.  Even so, it still sounds as though something may be wrong.  Have
you got an external modem, so you can see the LEDs? or if it's
internal, is there a package that will 'repeat' the LEDs onto the
screen?  Do pppload and wmppp show only data successfully transferred? 
If so, the LEDs might show that the modem's trying to send data all the
time.  What's the CPU utilisation like - is your cpu busy during the
'waits'?

Regards,

LeeE
-- 

http://www.spatial.freeserve.co.uk




Re: debian installation

1999-08-20 Thread Evan Van Dyke
Julian Taylor wrote:
> Debian, admittedly, is one of the most primitive Linux
> installations I've ever used. Among the problems are
> the fact that no matter what you tell it during
> installation about your intended configuration, it
> sets everything up not to work. You'll find the same
> problem with ppp which is most likely set up to deny
> all access and printing which is most likely not set
> up at all.

I would have to disagree with this.  Yes, the installation
is texed based  but the install menu is well layed out,
understandable, and it works if you take the time to work
your way through it.   I have had PPP up and running with
no more than a 'pppconfig' and adding myself to the
dialout group so that I didn't have to su myself to run
pon/poff.  Printing sets up well and easilly with
magicfilter and lprng...  assuming you installed the
kernel paralell drivers.

I have installed Debian with Ethernernet networking with
similar ease.
 
> You have to read each of the HOWTO's and manually
> configure each thing. This can sometimes be difficult
> because different flavors of Linux make subtle changes
> to the base so some of the HOWTO's don't apply any
> more (Caldera and yp fer instance). Since I still
> haven't managed to fully configure my Debian system,
> all I know is that the HOWTO isn't always enough. I
> grabbed my XF86Config from Slackware Linux and it
> worked OK. I'll be glad to send you a copy of it as
> a start.

While for many custom configurations reading the HOWTOs
are a must, I have yet to install a debian package and
not have it up and running with atleast a base configuration
right 'out of the box,' so to speak.  Some things(eg. SAMBA)
need an edit of the .conf file to tell it what services
you want to serve, but these are nicely documented by the
pre/post installation scripts.  And while, yes, the
file structures are different, a simple 'find' or
'locate' can easily find the files.

As to X...  X is definately the most complex thing to install
on ANY linux system...  I have had several instances where
XF86Setup would not work, but xf86config set X up just fine
without any problems.  Admittedly you need to know quite a bit
more about your Graphics Card and Monitor than you do under
other OSes, but it is definately possible.

Also, unless you have _identical_ hardware configurations, 
sharing XR86Config files is a bad idea...  the XFree86 FAQ 
has tales of several BadThings(tm) that can happen by doing
this... as the XF86Config file is specific to each videocard/
monitor combination.
 
> If this becomes too frustrating, install Slackware or
> Caldera Linux. They have some problems too, but after
> installation, they're configured to work.

So is Debian. :>

--Evan


Re: Configuring a monitor (power downs)

1999-08-20 Thread virtanen
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Lee Elliott wrote:


I've tried to put almost all the BIOS settings into 'default' mode now.
Besides 'shadow ram' and 'apm'. I've used to take even the power-cord out
the box after shutting down. It has worked now. (cf later) 


> Hello Virtanen,
> 
> Re the power problems you're having:
> 
> 4. You say that power goes off while booting Debian - is this consistent
> (that is, each time it powers down while booting - obviously, it doesn't
> always power-down on boot, otherwise you wouldn't have the X problem) -
> does it power-down at the same point each time, assuming you get some
> sort of info before it happens?  

There wasn't any info... it just went down.

If it is consistent, then Debian is
> doing something specific to make it happen.

> 5.  If it isn't consistent, then why is Debian being inconsistent?
> 
> 6. If Debian is doing something to power-down during boot, then it must
> be either the loader or the kernel, or something compiled into it [the
> kernel].
> 
> If it's not right with no power management features compiled into the
> kernel - change it.  Try with the PM features compiled in.
> 
> I've just spotted, in one of your postings: "With Win95 the power goes
> off automatically when I stop the os" - M$ is managing your power!  If
> the power switch is one of the simple (cheap and common) 'push to make
> - release to break' type, and doesn't 'click' on and off (push to make
> - push to break), or a toggle type, then your PC isn't getting
> completely powered down.  

Exactly that 'push' type, not click on and off. Exactly PC isn't
completely powered down. 


I can't say exactly what is still powered-up
> but certainly the PSU management system, which is probably quite
> intelligent these days.  There may be 'BIOS' settings in there (the
> PSU).  Some elements of the PSU will always still be active, with a
> 'simple' power switch, because it needs power
> to detect the 'make' signal from the switch when you push it.  Otherwise
> you would have to hold the switch in all the time.  If it's a
> 'wake-on-lan' MB, there will be even more MB systems running while your
> system is 'powered down'.

What is PSU?
Basically you're telling exactly similar things, what I've been thinking
about. 

I think that I have to keep some break between booting again and shutting
down... It might as well be the case that, while I'm using 'loadlin' (I
couldn't install LILO for some reason, I'll try now again.) there could be
some info loaded in from DOS... But why didn't it do it always... that
power going down-behaviour? 

I'll see, if it will start working now, after putting BIOS almost back to
'default' settings. It seems to be the case that someone has made his own
settings before me. There might be some other settings changed as well...
I'll open the machine during next week. (to see if there is even
'overclocked' cpu)   

But the problem is that it was working very well with windows...
And not consistetly with debian... 

> Try not to get too down about this - I recently wasted three days trying
> to install NTS on a new server before I found that the NT boot floppies
> asked an extra question when compared to the M$-Select CD I was using.
> 
> Could you mail me your /etc/XF86Config? - I'd like to have a look at
> that.

X works now, because of the new svga-server, which seems to be capable for
Mattrox cards. 

> I've got to say that I'm a Debian newbie, but I've 'done' 25 years on
> 'other' various systems.  Re your (and everyone else's (computer))
> problem, either it can be fixed, or we can find out why it can't.  Best
> thing about computers is there is no random element in the design, so
> we know there is an answer.  It's just tracking it down that's the hard
> (best) part.

Exactly. I've been working with many kinds of machines during almost all
my life... more than 30 years experience with machines, (but only 15 years
with computers...)  

I might have beaten this beast now. 

> LeeE
> 

-hv



Re: how to format mySeagate ST33210A

1999-08-20 Thread Lex Chive
On Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 12:02:50AM -0400, Ralph Winslow wrote:
> I just got a new HD and tried to format it using my Debian 1.0
> Installation Boot
> & Emergency disk set.  I made the disk primary and unplugged my current
> 2.1Mb 
> drive and booted the first disk and partitioned using the second
> (Ramdisk).
> I made a 100Mb swap and the rest, ~3Gb, Linux bootable, then made the
> swap area 
> with no problems.  But when I tried to format the Linux partition it
> failed with
> 256/373mkfs.ext2: can'r resolve symbol 'llseek'.  I then made the drive
> secondary
> and re-plugged my 2Gb 2.2 primary drive and rebooted, hoping to format
> from my
> regular system.  I tried mke2fs /dev/hdd, but it says, no such device. 
> I did
> an apropos format | more, but didn't spot a disk formatter in the
> voluminous
> output.  Can anyone spare a clue for a veteran?  TIA
> 
This is mke2fs /dev/hddn where n is the partition number. Also you dont say
whether you made it slave or master, sec master is hdc. I have a ST310230A and
never got any problem with it. I think I put it on the primary and installed
windoze on it first as I have had bad experiences of installing that over
linux.

I guess the unresolved symbol probably means that ur executing the dynamically
linked binary but /lib is ur ramdisk, thus the lib is not correct (maybe ur
using glibc2.1 with a slink bootdisk?). Try with LD_LIBRARY_PATH.

Hope this can help...

-Lex


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Re: debian installation

1999-08-20 Thread Stephen Pitts
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 09:57:06AM -0600, Julian  Taylor wrote:
> Debian, admittedly, is one of the most primitive Linux
> installations I've ever used. Among the problems are
> the fact that no matter what you tell it during
> installation about your intended configuration, it
> sets everything up not to work. You'll find the same
> problem with ppp which is most likely set up to deny
> all access and printing which is most likely not set
> up at all.
> 

I've had a completely opposite experience. A newbie friend wanted to
install Linux, and he ordered a RedHat 5.2 CD from Cheapbytes, much to
my chagrin. I tried to help him install it, but after 4 hours of trying
to configure ppp, (me with 3+ years of experience with all sorts of
distributions), we gave up. Two weeks later, I got him to try Debian and
all it took was one run of 'pppconfig' and 'pon' and we were up and
running. Doesn't get any easier than that!

As far as your printer problems are concerned, have you tried the magic
filter package in combination with lprng? The Printing-HOWTO suggests
that, and it works like a charm. Even in my odd situation (printing to
an HP Laserjet III attatched to a Windows machine), I got it to work
without much trouble following instructions in the Samba and Magicfilter
documentation.
-- 
Stephen Pitts
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
webmaster - http://www.mschess.org


RE: Eureka!

1999-08-20 Thread Brian Servis
*- On 20 Aug, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote about "RE: Eureka!"
> *DANGER* 2.2.11 has memory leak issues and other fun nits.  Make sure to
> upgrade any and all boxen running it to the next release as soon as it comes
> out.
> 
> 

Are these fixed in Alan's -forlinus patches in
ftp://ftp.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/alan/2.2.12pre/?

-- 
Brian 
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Re: CGI Help

1999-08-20 Thread Stephen Pitts
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 09:49:06AM -0500, Keith G. Murphy wrote:
> Stephen Pitts wrote:
> > 
> [cut]
> > My next project..developing an admin system using Python and wxWindows.
> > I can develop under Linux and deliver it to my client running
> > Windows without changing the code..do that with any other language
> > (including the much-acclaimed JDK/Swing combo!)
> 
> Hmmm.  Couldn't you readily do this in Perl also?  I'm not going to
> argue the point on this list, nosirree.  Just asking.  I don't even know
> Python.
> 
> Anyway, if anyone wants to get in on a definitive ongoing flamewar on
> Perl vs. Python, go to comp.lang.perl.misc right now.  Slurs are hurled,
> subjectivity parades as objectivity, everything you could want.  :-)
> 

Oh..God..I saw that one the other day while searching on
Dejanews...looks really ugly! I'll stay out of that one.

The only cross-platform tool that I know of that exists for Perl is Tk.
>From a cursory glance at the Tk docs, it doesn't have some of the neat
controls that wxWindows has (TreeView and ListView). Also, wxWindows
looks like the native GUI (GTK or Windows). Finally, most of the
guts for wxWindows exist in C++ and from what I understand, a lot of the
Perl/Tk implementation is still in Perl and the speed difference is noticable. 

Then again..GTK has been ported to Windows, so maybe the bindings work
on Windows and Linux?

Also..Python just looks cooler, and feels write. To paraphrase from the
flamewar. programming in Python is more fun (IMHO) and irregardless of
what other benefits I get out of it, I write programs because it is fun.
If it ceased to be fun, then none of the other rewards would be worth
it.
-- 
Stephen Pitts
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webmaster - http://www.mschess.org


Re: Multiple installation question.

1999-08-20 Thread Stephen Pitts
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 12:08:15PM -0500, Miguel A. Figueroa wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> First, Debian kicks a**!!
Agreed...it just doesn't get any better than this!

> Second, is there a deselect command that will give me a list of packages
> that I can then use it to install an identical box using apt/deselect? I
> know that RedHat has a quick installation type utility and I was
> wondering if Debian has something similar. This way a base installation
> can be done on the box and then tell dselect that these are the packages
> I want without intervention from the user.
> 
> Thanks
> Miguel A. Figueroa

At this point, all you can do is synchronize the packages on
multiple systems:

>From the machine that has the list of packages installed you want, do
dpkg --get-selections > packagelist
Then, move packagelist to the destination computer, and do
dpkg --set-selections < packagelist
and then '[I]nstall' from dselect, or 'apt-get dselect-upgrade'

And both machines will have the same set of packages installed.

Unfortunately, you still have to babysit the install process and the
configure scripts. Some people are working on a system to let you do a
'kickstart' install similar to RedHat. Check the debian-admintool list
for info (http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/). Until then, hire
monkeys to do the gruntwork :-)
-- 
Stephen Pitts
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Re: NFS and file locking

1999-08-20 Thread Stephen Pitts
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 02:13:39AM -0400, William T Wilson wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Stephen Pitts wrote:
> 
> > doesn't work. I think that it is trying to lock the files in some
> > non-NFS compatible way.
> 
> You have to run lockd if you want locking to work over NFS.  Even so,
> locking still doesn't work right (i.e. it still leaves open the
> possibility of race conditions) and it only works with flock(), as far as
> I know.  fcntl() won't work because fcntl() style locks are supposedly
> "mandatory" locks and the NFS protocol has no support for mandatory
> locking.

Thanks for the indepth info..thats just what I need. I'm now running
kernel-space NFS server with patches from the knfs package and
Wordperfect (evidently using flock()) works fine. An strace on kexpress,
however, reveals that gdbm uses fcntrl! Perhaps I'll look into it and
submit a patch at some point.

Since you seem to be in the know, does Coda offer any better locking
support?

> 
> > Are there any workarounds to these NFS locking problems?
> 
> Yeah, create the locks on a local filesystem :}
> 
Yup, I'll continue to symlink.

-- 
Stephen Pitts
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webmaster - http://www.mschess.org


Re: Eureka!

1999-08-20 Thread Stephen Pitts
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 10:19:13AM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> *DANGER* 2.2.11 has memory leak issues and other fun nits.  Make sure to
> upgrade any and all boxen running it to the next release as soon as it comes
> out.


Oh, wonderful! I upgraded to 2.2.10 and it killed all my filesystems
around mid-June. forcing a reinstall. Now I'm running a ticking time bomb 
called 2.2.11! Should stable be redefined to a.b.c, where b is even and c >= 30?
What were the > 100 beta releases in 2.1 for?

I had a wonderfully stable system for > 6 months until I got the 2.2.x 
series to fix some DHCP problems and because of IPChains support...
now I've got this to worry about!



I built 2.2.11 with the NFS patches that come with the knfs package and
installed new versions on the client and the server. Server is now
running kernel-space daemon instead of user-space daemon. I
no longer get any boot-up errors, and lockd seems to be running OK. However,
kexpress/gdbm still can't generate locks. Wordperfect works OK, though.

Whatever..I'll go back to symlinking ~/.kde/share/apps/kexpress to
/usr/local/smpitts-kexpress and move on!
-- 
Stephen Pitts
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
webmaster - http://www.mschess.org


Re: Multiple installation question.

1999-08-20 Thread Brian Servis
*- On 20 Aug, Miguel A. Figueroa wrote about "Multiple installation question."
> Hello all,
> 
> First, Debian kicks a**!!
> Second, is there a deselect command that will give me a list of packages
> that I can then use it to install an identical box using apt/deselect? I
> know that RedHat has a quick installation type utility and I was
> wondering if Debian has something similar. This way a base installation
> can be done on the box and then tell dselect that these are the packages
> I want without intervention from the user.


Box A:  dpkg --get-selections > package-list.txt
Box B:  dpkg --set-selections < package-list.txt

Start dselect and configure the [A]ccess method and [U]pdate, then skip
straight to the [I]nstall.

You will still have to answer all the configure questions from all the
individual packages though.  A solution to this is being worked on by a
few developers I think.

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RE: Is bash as feature-rich as tcsh?

1999-08-20 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> 
> The part I miss most is the context-sensitive TAB-completion, like

bash can not do this.  However a coworker and fellow Debian developer uses zsh
and from what I have seen *NO* shell matches it.

He has tab complete for apt, dpkg, telnet, and other fun things.


RE: Eureka!

1999-08-20 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
*DANGER* 2.2.11 has memory leak issues and other fun nits.  Make sure to
upgrade any and all boxen running it to the next release as soon as it comes
out.


RE: new release of xfmail?

1999-08-20 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry

On 19-Aug-99 Wim Kerkhoff wrote:
> I have been using xfmail for a while, but find it crashing often on me, ie,
> serveral times daily.
> 
> It doesn't give any errors, though, besides the "Xfmail crashed... etc"
> dialog.
> What is the best way of reporting bugs?
> 

There is none.  Either it works or it does not.  I am using it for now, I
intend to use Mahogany as my mail client in the future.  But I have to get a
few Debian packages in a row for that to happen.

xfmail is dead code, under a non-free license using a bad tool kit which is
also non-free and buggy.

> By the way, there is a new xfmail mailing list at
> http://slappy.org/mailman/listinfo/xfmail.
> 

Hmm, curious.


Multiple installation question.

1999-08-20 Thread Miguel A. Figueroa
Hello all,

First, Debian kicks a**!!
Second, is there a deselect command that will give me a list of packages
that I can then use it to install an identical box using apt/deselect? I
know that RedHat has a quick installation type utility and I was
wondering if Debian has something similar. This way a base installation
can be done on the box and then tell dselect that these are the packages
I want without intervention from the user.

Thanks
Miguel A. Figueroa


Debian-* & procmail recipe

1999-08-20 Thread Kris
Are you fed up of having six or seven useless lines of text and carriage
returns at the end of each mail from debian-user and the other lists?
Well, fear no more! For a limited period only, you too can have those
lines stripped off -- completely free!

Add the following to your .procmailrc:

--- Begin ---
# Remove last X .sig-lines from debian-* mailing lists
:0
* ^X-Mailing-List:.*debian
{
   # Debian-user has 6 useless lines
   :0 fbw
   * ^X-Mailing-List:.*debian-user
   | sed -n -e ':a;N;2,5ba;:o;N;P;s/[^\n]*\n//;$!bo'

   # These have 7 useless lines
   :0 fbw
   * ^X-Mailing-List:.*(debian-changes\
   |debian-security-announce\
   |debian-announce\
   |debian-mentors)
   | sed -n -e ':a;N;2,6ba;:o;N;P;s/[^\n]*\n//;$!bo'
}
}
--- End ---

# sed -n -e ':a;N;2,5ba;:o;N;P;s/[^\n]*\n//;$!bo'
#  /^\
#  NOTE: On above line, the digit shown is:
#   (number of lines you want removed)-1

Since I only read a couple of the debian lists, I haven't looked at the
others. It's easy enough to add 'em, though.

I also strip useless headers, but that's easy enough to figure out.

I've got a strange feeling I've messed something up somewhere, so try
not to shout at me if I have, okay?

Adios,
  Kris

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Re: Apache-SSL "suppresses" inlime images?

1999-08-20 Thread Ernest Johanson
Ralf,

Don't know that I have an answer, but a question. How are standard port 80
connections being made to Apache-SSL? By default it runs on port 443. 

The only thing I've seen like this is when a page accessed via https
contains full URLs ("http://whatever";). The ssl server views those
elements as insecure and refuses to load them. Not the same as your
situation, but perhaps a clue.

HTH.

Ernest Johanson
Web Systems Administrator
Fuller Theological Seminary


On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Ralf G. R. Bergs wrote:

> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:54:35 +0200
> From: Ralf G. R. Bergs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Debian GNU/Linux User Mailing List 
> Subject: Apache-SSL "suppresses" inlime images?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a very bizarre problem with Apache-SSL 1.3.3+1.29-2. Maybe one of you 
> by chance can help me?
> 
> Ok, here we go:
> 
> I have a webpage that consists of static html pages, frames, inline images, 
> and several Perl cgi scripts that dynamically create html pages. The server 
> machine has two IP addresses: the external one visible from the Internet, 
> and the internal one only visible from the LAN.
> 
> When I access the server internally (i.e. I establish a connection to its 
> internal IP address) I've no problems whatsoever. But when people access the 
> machine from the Internet (talking to the external IP) it often "forgets" 
> inlime images, i.e. Netscape only displays the "broken image" symbol. When 
> they click reload it often shows more images, and after they've clicked a 
> couple of times all images are there.
> 
> The connection originates from the campus network and terminates in the 
> campus network, i.e. there's no transmission problems, no network 
> congestion. The connection is NOT a SSL connection, but a standard port-80, 
> unencrypted http connection. I don't yet know whether things change if they 
> use SSL because I've not yet asked them to try SSL. In the browser they're 
> not using proxies, and by my instructions they've cleared memory and disk 
> cache before trying to go to my page.
> 
> There's NO errors in Apache's log file. The access log file does NOT show 
> that the client tried to GET the missing images. The other images that are 
> being displayed DO appear in the access log file. That could either mean 
> that the client -- for whatever reason -- doesn't request them, OR that the 
> server doesn't log and fill the request.
> 
> Ok, that's bizarre, isn't it? Any ideas?!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ralf
> 
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Re: apt-0.3.10slink11.deb

1999-08-20 Thread Nathan Duehr
It was there last night.  I loaded it on my laptop!

I didn't see if perhaps it rolled version numbers, but it's there.

On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Robert Varga wrote:

> 
> Where can I find apt-0.3.10slink11.deb ?
> 
> It was up on proposed-updates and at security.debian.org, but now I can't
> find it there... although it is still in the packages files.
> 
> Robert Varga
> 
> 
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Re: debian installation

1999-08-20 Thread Morgoth3
In a message dated 8/20/99 11:13:31 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

<< Strange, I've not had this experience at all.  Perhaps you should try
 Corel's new Linux distro based on Debian, but with more "User-friendly"
 installation ... (I've not tried it myself). >>

I think it also depends on how you're installing...i've done floppy 
installation, and local hard drive installation.  Floppy is much harder to 
do.  I would assume CD is the easiest, because you could put a bunch of files 
on it and initialize them all right away, instead of having to download them 
and then install them.

Colin Winters


Re: debian installation

1999-08-20 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Julian  Taylor wrote:

[ snip ]

 : Debian, admittedly, is one of the most primitive Linux
 : installations I've ever used. Among the problems are
 : the fact that no matter what you tell it during
 : installation about your intended configuration, it
 : sets everything up not to work. You'll find the same
 : problem with ppp which is most likely set up to deny
 : all access and printing which is most likely not set
 : up at all.

Strange, I've not had this experience at all.  Perhaps you should try
Corel's new Linux distro based on Debian, but with more "User-friendly"
installation ... (I've not tried it myself).

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Xemacs configuration question

1999-08-20 Thread Ira Crabbe


 (1) I want to get Xemacs to recognize   *.tcl and *.itcl
files.
 (2) I want to change the background color  from gray to
white.
 (3) I want to color highlight the keyword  in  source.tcl
and source.itcl files
What will I have to change to accomplish this.
 I have been trying various things unsuccefully.
My .emacs file look like the attached file. It is in text format.
What do you recommend that I change?
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configuration question
;;; -*- Mode: Emacs-Lisp -*-

;;; This is a sample .emacs file.
;;;
;;; The .emacs file, which should reside in your home directory, allows you to
;;; customize the behavior of Emacs.  In general, changes to your .emacs file
;;; will not take effect until the next time you start up Emacs.  You can load
;;; it explicitly with `M-x load-file RET ~/.emacs RET'.
;;;
;;; There is a great deal of documentation on customization in the Emacs
;;; manual.  You can read this manual with the online Info browser: type
;;; `C-h i' or select "Emacs Info" from the "Help" menu.


;;
;;  Basic Customization ;;
;;

;; Enable the commands `narrow-to-region' ("C-x n n") and 
;; `eval-expression' ("M-ESC", or "ESC ESC").  Both are useful
;; commands, but they can be confusing for a new user, so they're
;; disabled by default.
(put 'narrow-to-region 'disabled nil)
(put 'eval-expression 'disabled nil)
(setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil)  ;fv


;; Make the sequence "C-x C-j" execute the `goto-line' command, 
;; which prompts for a line number to jump to.
(global-set-key "\C-x\C-j" 'goto-line)


(cond ((string-match "Lucid" emacs-version)
   ;;
   ;; Code for any version of Lucid Emacs goes here
   ;;

   ;; Change the values of some variables.
   ;; (t means true; nil means false.)
   ;;
   ;; Use the "Describe Variable..." option on the "Help" menu
   ;; to find out what these variables mean.
   (setq default-frame-alist '((width . 100) (height . 50)))
   (setq find-file-use-truenames nil
 find-file-compare-truenames t
 minibuffer-confirm-incomplete t
 complex-buffers-menu-p t
 next-line-add-newlines nil
 )

   ;; When running ispell, consider all 1-3 character words as correct.
   (setq ispell-extra-args '("-W" "3"))

   (if (featurep 'sunpro)
   (progn
 (setq-default mode-line-buffer-identification '("lemacs: %17b"))
 (setq mode-line-buffer-identification '("lemacs: %17b")))
   (progn
 (setq-default mode-line-buffer-identification '("Xemacs: %17b"))
 (setq mode-line-buffer-identification '("Xemacs: %17b"

   (cond ((eq window-system 'x)
  ;;
  ;; Code which applies only when running emacs under X goes here.
  ;; (Currently, this is always the case in lemacs, but it will
  ;; not be in the future.)
  ;;

  ;; Remove the binding of C-x C-c, which normally exits emacs.
  ;; It's easy to hit this by mistake, and that can be annoying.
  ;; Under X, you can always quit with the "Exit Emacs" option on
  ;; the File menu.
  (global-set-key "\C-x\C-c" nil)
  (global-set-key "\C-z" 'scroll-down)

  ;; This changes the variable which controls the text that goes
  ;; in the top window title bar.  (However, it is not changed
  ;; unless it currently has the default value, to avoid
  ;; interfering with a -wn command line argument I may have
  ;; started emacs with.)
;;(if (equal screen-title-format "%S: %b")
;;  (setq screen-title-format
;; (concat "%S: " execution-path " [" emacs-version "]"
;;  (if nil ; (getenv "NCD")
;;  ""
;;"   %b"

  ;; If we're running on display 0, load some nifty sounds that
  ;; will replace the default beep.  But if we're running on a
  ;; display other than 0, which probably means my NCD X terminal,
  ;; which can't play digitized sounds, do two things: reduce the
  ;; beep volume a bit, and change the pitch of the sound that is
  ;; made for "no completions."
  ;;
  ;; (Note that sampled sounds only work if lemacs was compiled
  ;; with sound support, and we're running on the console of a
  ;; Sparc, HP, or SGI machine, or on a machine which has a
  ;; NetAudio server; otherwise, you just ge

Re: debian installation

1999-08-20 Thread Julian Taylor
Wahyu,

> From: "wahyu indrianto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:16:26 JAVT
>
> Dear all,
> I'm begineer for using debian, it's first time for me to innstall.
> but  I have problem for using. After I'm finised my installation the 
> software cannot be use. I try to call XF86Setup they couldn't work.
> Please tell me what's wrong.

Debian, admittedly, is one of the most primitive Linux
installations I've ever used. Among the problems are
the fact that no matter what you tell it during
installation about your intended configuration, it
sets everything up not to work. You'll find the same
problem with ppp which is most likely set up to deny
all access and printing which is most likely not set
up at all.

You have to read each of the HOWTO's and manually
configure each thing. This can sometimes be difficult
because different flavors of Linux make subtle changes
to the base so some of the HOWTO's don't apply any
more (Caldera and yp fer instance). Since I still
haven't managed to fully configure my Debian system,
all I know is that the HOWTO isn't always enough. I
grabbed my XF86Config from Slackware Linux and it
worked OK. I'll be glad to send you a copy of it as
a start.

If this becomes too frustrating, install Slackware or
Caldera Linux. They have some problems too, but after
installation, they're configured to work.

Julian



Re: elvis - missing rhs

1999-08-20 Thread Michael Merten
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 11:39:08AM +1000, Chanop Silpa-Anan wrote:
> hi,
> 
> just a  minor annoying. i use elvis primarily. on some debian machine, 
> whenever i start elvis, it says 'missing rhs' before switching to fullscrenn 
> editor page. any idea what i am missing?
> 
> 

As near as I can tell, there's a slight problem with the config
file /etc/elvis/elvis.ini.  One of the key mappings is missing the
rhs (right hand side) component:

[snip]
  map! ESCOj *
  map! ESCOo /
  map! ESCOM  
  map! ^? visual x
  map  ^? x
[snip]

I think the ESCOM map line needs another parameter.  I could be
wrong about this, but if you search the elvis help file for rhs,
you'll find the term used in their syntax examples for
'right hand side'.

Mike
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Re: e2fsck w/out boot?

1999-08-20 Thread William T Wilson
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Guilherme Soares Zahn wrote:

> machine... I know I'd have to remount my / partition as read-only, run
> e2fsck & remount the partition as rw, but I can't seem to be able to do
> the first step (the system says / is busy)...

You have to be in single-user mode.  Do 'telinit 1' to accomplish that and
then 'telinit 3' to get back.

You can then run e2fsck -f to check the filesystem.


Re: Problem with dialing and pppd.

1999-08-20 Thread Andrei D. Caraman
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 06:48:22PM +0200, Lars Nixdorf wrote:
> hallo,
> 
> how could I connect with a modem form a linux mashine to a Win NT RAS server? 
> I
> have to use chap.

 
pppd ttyS1 115200 noauth noipdefault defaultroute remotename provider \
 user myname  connect 'chat "" ATZ OK ATDTPHONE CONNECT'

Notes:  - the line was wrapped to fit on the screen :)
- replace PHONE with the actual number you want to dial
- you need to have a line like 

myname  provider password

  in the /etc/ppp/chap-secrets file
- I've never used chap authentication, but I do believe the line
  above would work.  

> It doesn't work for me. I need only the whole line for pppd. I doesn't want to
> use option files or so. If I send a ip-packet the line should go up.

Who doesn't want that?  You, your pppd or your sysadmin?

> Any suggestions? what is the Line to start it? 

See above.


Hope this hepls,
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Re: e2fsck w/out boot?

1999-08-20 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Guilherme Soares Zahn wrote:

 : > Did you go to single user mode before you tried to remount root
 : > read-only?  Have you more than one e2fs partition?
 : 
 : The answer is 'nope' to both, and I think you've just got it... should have 
entered
 : single mode BEFORE trying that! I guess it's just one typical case of the 
famous
 : 'DOS/Win former user syndome'... ;-)
 : 
 : BTW... how do I get into single user mode? ;-?

`shutdown now' as root should do it!  `shutdown -h now' halts the
machine, and `shutdown -r now' reboots it.  Note that you can change
"now" to a time and do scheduled shutdowns ... full details in `man
shutdown', of course :)

Good luck,

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NFS -> SMB: limited directory depth

1999-08-20 Thread Debian Mail
On machine b I smbmount a share from machine a. On machine c I mount a
nfs volume on b which includes the share from a. When I cd into the
directory on c now, I can only see the first directory in the path
mounted from machine a. When I cd to it, it's empty, whereas on
machine a there are further subdirectories in it.

Any idea what is limiting the directory depth level?

Stef


Re: e2fsck w/out boot?

1999-08-20 Thread Guilherme Soares Zahn
> Did you go to single user mode before you tried to remount root
> read-only?  Have you more than one e2fs partition?

The answer is 'nope' to both, and I think you've just got it... should have 
entered
single mode BEFORE trying that! I guess it's just one typical case of the famous
'DOS/Win former user syndome'... ;-)

BTW... how do I get into single user mode? ;-?


Re: e2fsck w/out boot?

1999-08-20 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Guilherme Soares Zahn wrote:

 : Hi there,
 : 
 : I was wondering if there' s a way to run e2fsck w/out booting the
 : machine... I know I'd have to remount my / partition as read-only, run
 : e2fsck & remount the partition as rw, but I can't seem to be able to do
 : the first step (the system says / is busy)...

Did you go to single user mode before you tried to remount root
read-only?  Have you more than one e2fs partition?

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Re: nfs: can't get a request slot

1999-08-20 Thread Debian Mail
> nfs: server nfs.server not responding, still trying
> nfs: task 416 can't get a request slot

setting rsize=1024,wsize=1024 in the mount options solved the
problem. I also tried sizes of 512 and 2048. Both crashed the nfs
connection.

Stef


Re: how to format mySeagate ST33210A

1999-08-20 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Patrick Olson wrote:

[ snip ]

 : > No, I labeled them Debian 1.0 when I created them.  I might have
 : > mislabeled
 : > them, though.
 : 
 : If they are really Debian 1.0, I would really suggest getting a newer
 : Debian!  The first Debian I saw was 1.3, so I don't even know 1.0.

Debian 1.0 was never released (thanks to Infomagic IIRC) - Debian 1.1
was the first official release, code-name "buzz".

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Problem with dialing and pppd.

1999-08-20 Thread Lars Nixdorf
hallo,

how could I connect with a modem form a linux mashine to a Win NT RAS server? I
have to use chap.
It doesn't work for me. I need only the whole line for pppd. I doesn't want to
use option files or so. If I send a ip-packet the line should go up.

Any suggestions? what is the Line to start it? 

Thanks

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Network Problems

1999-08-20 Thread Andrew J.F. Clark
I'm currently having problems with my network, and I'd like to know the
best way to go about diagnosing the problem.  Are there any utilities
that I can use to assist in this process?

The problem seems to be that whenever large amounts of information are
sent accross the lan to one machine (bristlenose) it freezes, but not
when the same info is passed across the network the other way.  An
example of this is:

I log into bristlenose from arowana and cat /vmlinuz and it works fine
(the terminal needs to be reset, but it works)
I log into arowana from bristlenose and cat /vmlinuz and it is jerky,
with the pauses becomming longer until it finally stops altogether,
halfway through.

This affects almost everythign I do on the net, as arowana currently
acts as my gateway, and bristlenose as the client, so sending mail works
fine, but retrieving it doesn't. (although retrieving it to arowana
works fine)

Any help solving this is greatly appreciated,
Andrew Clark.

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Re: CGI Help

1999-08-20 Thread Keith G. Murphy
Stephen Pitts wrote:
> 
[cut]
> My next project..developing an admin system using Python and wxWindows.
> I can develop under Linux and deliver it to my client running
> Windows without changing the code..do that with any other language
> (including the much-acclaimed JDK/Swing combo!)

Hmmm.  Couldn't you readily do this in Perl also?  I'm not going to
argue the point on this list, nosirree.  Just asking.  I don't even know
Python.

Anyway, if anyone wants to get in on a definitive ongoing flamewar on
Perl vs. Python, go to comp.lang.perl.misc right now.  Slurs are hurled,
subjectivity parades as objectivity, everything you could want.  :-)


Re: debian installation

1999-08-20 Thread virtanen
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, wahyu indrianto wrote:

> 
> Dear all,
> I'm begineer for using debian, it's first time for me to innstall.
> but  I have problem for using. After I'm finised my installation the 
> software cannot be use. I try to call XF86Setup they couldn't work.
> Please tell me what's wrong.
> 
> Give me the instruction,please..
> regards,
> wahyoe

1)
It is probably the best way to install the predefined 'standard
workstation' (the last one on the list) during the installation process
and try to run XF86Setup after that. (You must run XFSetup as 'root'!) 

2)
You should probably first select svga-server as 'the default server'
during the installation process. (Do you know the details about your video
card and the monitor?)

3)
After your XF86Setup is finished you have to start X by giving the command 
startx

4) 
When you reboot the machine xdm will automatically start X. 


Did you use cd-roms or what method for installation?

-hv
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Re: how to format mySeagate ST33210A

1999-08-20 Thread Patrick Olson

> > Jumping in the middle here, so pardon me if I'm way off.  Is your Seagate
> > ST33210A an IDE drive?
> 
> Yes

That makes it easier for me.  I know a bit about IDE, but nothing about
SCSI.

> > Debian 1.0?  I'm going to assume you mean 2.0, in which case I have the
> > same disks...
> 
> No, I labeled them Debian 1.0 when I created them.  I might have
> mislabeled
> them, though.

If they are really Debian 1.0, I would really suggest getting a newer
Debian!  The first Debian I saw was 1.3, so I don't even know 1.0.

> No, I see that the dmesg report doesn't see the drive, and the BIOS
> doesn't
> detect it, either.  I also notice that the HDD light on my generic
> (Kenitec)
> case stays constantly lit when the new drive is installed.  I don't know
> what
> to do about it, though.

If I recall correctly, the discussion mentioned looking for a /dev/hdd. 
If it is set to slave, hooked to your secondary IDE controller and has
power, I don't know what to say.  It almost sounds like a hardware thing
since the BIOS doesn't detect it.  If there is no master on the secondary
IDE controller, the drive may not be willing to run as a slave to an
invisible master.

> > If you can run without the CD-ROM temporarily, how about setting the
> > Seagate as primary slave in place of the CD-ROM which is now /dev/hdb
> 
> I'll give that a try - I seldom use the CD anyway (sounds not working
> either).

If you try setting it as slave, hooking it up in place of your CD-ROM, and
it still doesn't work, I would begin to wonder about the drive!

Hope this helps,
Patrick


Re: SV: Configuring a monitor (and video card)?

1999-08-20 Thread virtanen
On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Peter S Galbraith wrote:

> > compatible with slink, but with which there is some newer stuff 
> > available anyway.)
> 
> See http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/apt-sources/
>  

This was a very good place. As well as the previous one by you, where I
found the right svga-driver. The monitor and card are working now very
well. 

I'll install the latest LyX to show my local friends doing a lot of
word-processing what they can do with free softwares. (In my own machine
at home all the programs, which I have installed are working well.)

I need the local administrator's help to get the debian-system netted as
well (there is a local Novell-network.) Now I can show him that it would
be worth of doing some experiments with Debian and he will probably let 
to put my system in the net... (I'm using win to post these messages)

Thank you a lot for the advice. 

No I'll try to concentrate on the power-system... 

After three times of trying I managed to keep the system up to intall the
system (and the new svga-server.) It went off three times just during the
installation-process. Could it have something to do with the
screen-saver-system? The third time I was constantly hitting 'caps lock'
key to give the machine some kind of signals.


> > I'll try to solve the problem of sudden shut-down.  
> > I was told by a local windows-guru that the automatic shut-off is a
> > property of newer atx-boxes and mainboards. 
> 
> Yes, but it should be be triggered ramdomly in Linux.
> I have that at home and it's not a problem.

Yes so it should be. Probably it has something to do with the various
bios-settings...

I'll try to give you all the settings after a while (it is a lot of
writing... because you cannot copy them electronically anyhow.)  

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e2fsck w/out boot?

1999-08-20 Thread Guilherme Soares Zahn
Hi there,

I was wondering if there' s a way to run e2fsck w/out booting the
machine... I know I'd have to remount my / partition as read-only, run
e2fsck & remount the partition as rw, but I can't seem to be able to do
the first step (the system says / is busy)...

The reason I ask that is because earlier today X aborted complaining
of (got it from syslog):

Aug 20 09:56:26 groo kernel: free_one_pmd: bad directory entry 0400

But when I booted the system it said /dev/hda2 is clean... I know, I
should run restart -F, but I was just wondering if there was an easier
way... ;-)

Ciao!

Guilherme Zahn


Is bash as feature-rich as tcsh?

1999-08-20 Thread Andy Spiegl
As a long time tcsh-user I am forced to use bash on some machines.
I read the complete man page to find out how to set things up
the way I am used to them from my tcsh setup.

The part I miss most is the context-sensitive TAB-completion, like
complete gvn/*/f:*.{ps,eps,pdf,PS,EPS,PDF,ps.gz,eps.gz,\
   pdf.gz,PS.gz,EPS.gz,PDF.gz}/
complete mutt  c/-/"(a b c f F H i m n p R s v x y z Z h)"/ c/*@/\$hosts/ \
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@F:$HOME/Mail/@ [EMAIL PROTECTED]@F:$HOME/Mail/@ \
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@ n/-s/x:''/ \
n/-a/f/ n/-f/f/ n/-F/f/ n/-H/f/ n/-i/f/ \
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@'`cat 
$HOME/.local.users;$HOME/bin/list.mail.aliases`'@
complete rshp/1/\$hosts/ c/-/"(l n)"/   n/-l/u/ N/-l/c/ n/-/c/ p/2/c/ p/*/f/

...and so on.

Am I missing something or is bash really not capable of doing that?
Thanks a lot in advance,
 Andy.

PS: We don't have to argue which shell is better for programming.
I know it's not tcsh. :-)

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uploads over modem are SLOOOOOW!

1999-08-20 Thread Brian Servis
Hi all,

I connect via dial-up with a usual connect of 50666/ARQ/V90/LAPM/V42BIS.
When I send a large email with attachments or upload a file it is VERY
SLOW.  Watching the traffic on something like pppload or wmppp show
only short bursts of intermintent traffic, often there is a 5-7 second
pause between the upload bursts.  I don't have any problems with
dowloads.  I don't set mtu or mru in the ppp config files, after the
link is up ifconfig shows that mtu is set at 1500.  My latest upload
test via ftp gave '725473 bytes sent in 1187.13 secs (0.6 kB/s)' and a
download test gave '725473 bytes received in 133.82 secs (5.3 kB/s)'.
That's a factor of 8.87 speed difference between download and upload!

Do I have to live with this or do I have something configured wrong.
I am running kernel 2.2.11 and ppp 2.3.7-3.

Thanks for any pointers,

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Re: Strange (?) boot-up messages

1999-08-20 Thread Guilherme Soares Zahn
> > here I am, still trying to fine-tune my PC and understand it a bit
> > further...
> That attitude seems to be the minority these days, judging from the
> recent flamefests on Slashdot.

Well... I'm really somehow 'old-fashioned'... ;-)

> > OK... I'm puzzled by the 2nd one... what does he mean by 'Cannot find
> > map file'? I guess he means that he can't find the /boot/map file,
> No, its looking for a System.map file, which lists where all the
> functions live when the kernel is in memory. (useful for debugging
> kernel panics among other things).

OK... and how do I build a System.map file? ;-?

> > Aug 18 16:45:32 groo /usr/sbin/gpm[152]: Skipping a data packet (?)
> > Aug 18 16:45:32 groo /usr/sbin/gpm[152]: Skipping a data packet (?)
> >
> > What's that all about? ;-?
> Perhaps it has something to do with your other problems?

Don't really think so... This one happens in my work PC, where the mouse is
connected to /dev/ttyS0 and, even when the kernel seems to map it to
/dev/ttyS00, the mouse works fine... believe it or not! ;-)

> > What is 'perpendicular mode'? Do the massage mean that my FDC is wrongly
> > configured for Linux or what? ;-?
> Can you use your floppy drive just fine?  Looking at the source in
> drivers/block/floppy.c, it has something to do with seeking and getting
> high transfer rates (128k/s) on special floppy drive controllers.

OK... I'm sure this VERY old FDC unit wouldn't support it! As the floppy unit
is working fine, I must presume that Linux is only trying to see if it
supports perpendicular mode each time I change the disk in the FDC... No
problem, then!

Ciao, and thanks for your help!

Guilherme Zahn


Network card seizes! suggestions?

1999-08-20 Thread Cormac McGuinness
Hi 
I have a problem I have never encountered before with 10 Debian boxes.
The problem is every now and again, particularly during large transfers
of files by either ftp or samba, the network card on the computer just stops!

The network card is an ne2000 compatible one (or at least that is the network
driver that works with it!) and when this occurs, I cannot do anything to 
"restart" the network card going again. I have tried removing the ne.o module
but I can't as it says the device is in use. Instead I have to do a tedious 
reboot on this old 486 Dx2 Gateway machine which I have running Debian 2.1.

Has anyone encountered this before ? Any suggestions welcome.

Yours
(trying to make an old 486 useful)
Cormac 


nfs: can't get a request slot

1999-08-20 Thread Debian Mail
I have two machines on different networks. When I mount a nfs volume,
it seems to work and I can cd to it, but when I want to copy a file
from it I get:

nfs: server nfs.server not responding, still trying
nfs: server nfs.server not responding, still trying
nfs: task 416 can't get a request slot

And the copy process hangs.
The nfs server is comming from nfs-server_2.2beta37-4.deb
(Before I had nfs-server_2.2beta37-1.deb with the same error)

Any idea what could be wrong?

Stef


Re: debian installation

1999-08-20 Thread Dean
  Hi Wahyu,
You are using the correct command, so I'm assuming you just installed
the basic package. XF86 isn't a part of the basic package so you need to
continue your install. The best way for me was installing a user profile
at end of the install.
   Hope this helps  Dean

wahyu indrianto wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> I'm begineer for using debian, it's first time for me to innstall.
> but  I have problem for using. After I'm finised my installation the
> software cannot be use. I try to call XF86Setup they couldn't work.
> Please tell me what's wrong.
> 
> Give me the instruction,please..
> regards,
> wahyoe
> 
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(Debian-user)Re: how to format mySeagate ST33210A

1999-08-20 Thread shadow
Your mail header needs to have the list group this is going to in it.
That enables mail filters to route it to a directory (folder).
I use GTKicq and think it is fine.
Rob
On 20-Aug-99 Ralph Winslow wrote:
> Patrick Olson wrote:
>> 
>> Jumping in the middle here, so pardon me if I'm way off.  Is your Seagate
>> ST33210A an IDE drive?
> 
> Yes
>> 
>> On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Ralph Winslow wrote:
>> 
>> > > What do you mean by "using the second"?
>> >
>> > I mean the second, Ramdisk, diskette.
>> 
>> You mean the disk it asks for after you boot the 'rescue" disk, right?
> 
> That's correct
>> 
>> > I tried re-running it three times.  I'm reluctant to report a bug on
>> > Debian 1.0
>> > software, though.
>> 
>> Debian 1.0?  I'm going to assume you mean 2.0, in which case I have the
>> same disks...
> 
> No, I labeled them Debian 1.0 when I created them.  I might have
> mislabeled
> them, though.
>> 
>> > > What does dmesg report?
>> 
>> Your dmesg report doesn't mention /dev/hdd or the Seagate drive at all.  I
>> think that is the problem right there.  /dev/hdd would be secondary slave
>> IDE I think.  Can anything (maybe the BIOS) find the drive?
> 
> No, I see that the dmesg report doesn't see the drive, and the BIOS
> doesn't
> detect it, either.  I also notice that the HDD light on my generic
> (Kenitec)
> case stays constantly lit when the new drive is installed.  I don't know
> what
> to do about it, though.
>> 
>> If you can run without the CD-ROM temporarily, how about setting the
>> Seagate as primary slave in place of the CD-ROM which is now /dev/hdb
> 
> I'll give that a try - I seldom use the CD anyway (sounds not working
> either).
>> 
>> Again, I'm sorry if I'm way off on this, I just finally saw something I
>> thought I might be able to answer.
> 
> Thanks for your response.
> 
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Re: how to format mySeagate ST33210A

1999-08-20 Thread Ralph Winslow
Patrick Olson wrote:
> 
> Jumping in the middle here, so pardon me if I'm way off.  Is your Seagate
> ST33210A an IDE drive?

Yes
> 
> On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Ralph Winslow wrote:
> 
> > > What do you mean by "using the second"?
> >
> > I mean the second, Ramdisk, diskette.
> 
> You mean the disk it asks for after you boot the 'rescue" disk, right?

That's correct
> 
> > I tried re-running it three times.  I'm reluctant to report a bug on
> > Debian 1.0
> > software, though.
> 
> Debian 1.0?  I'm going to assume you mean 2.0, in which case I have the
> same disks...

No, I labeled them Debian 1.0 when I created them.  I might have
mislabeled
them, though.
> 
> > > What does dmesg report?
> 
> Your dmesg report doesn't mention /dev/hdd or the Seagate drive at all.  I
> think that is the problem right there.  /dev/hdd would be secondary slave
> IDE I think.  Can anything (maybe the BIOS) find the drive?

No, I see that the dmesg report doesn't see the drive, and the BIOS
doesn't
detect it, either.  I also notice that the HDD light on my generic
(Kenitec)
case stays constantly lit when the new drive is installed.  I don't know
what
to do about it, though.
> 
> If you can run without the CD-ROM temporarily, how about setting the
> Seagate as primary slave in place of the CD-ROM which is now /dev/hdb

I'll give that a try - I seldom use the CD anyway (sounds not working
either).
> 
> Again, I'm sorry if I'm way off on this, I just finally saw something I
> thought I might be able to answer.

Thanks for your response.

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Re: Searching in the mailing list archive

1999-08-20 Thread Andy Spiegl
> > > Is there a way to search in the archive of debian-user ?
> > 
> > http://www.debian.org/List-Archives, it is linked off the main page.
> > 
> but don't click on the "Search" button at the top of the page. Scroll
> all the way down to the bottom of the page to find the "Glimpse" search
> engine. The top button searches the web site; the Glimpse engine
> searches the archives.

Thanks a lot for that hint!  The connect was so slow lately that I never
waited till the page was downloaded completely.  Maybe a hint at the top of
the page would be useful... :-)

But now I've got a new problem.  The search gives me a nice list of
articles with links like this:
 http://cgi.debian.org/cgi-bin/debian-user-9907/msg00185.html
However the correct link would be:
 http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-user-9907/msg00185.html

Thanks again,
 Andy.

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restricted shell

1999-08-20 Thread J Horacio MG
Hi,

I know of the existance of a restricted shell, though I'm not sure
whether this is what I'm after.

In time, I'll be moving away to another country, and I intend to leave
my home computer with the current users configured, ie. root (of
course), my sister, and I.  I'd also like to create a "guest" user with
some little (hence restricted) access.  Is rsh what I should be looking
for?

Also, I'll need to access the computer both as root and as normal user
remotely, via the inet, as I cannot give my sister root control (good
...!  it took me a lot to convince her to give up windozing, then
customize her account and installing some nice looking programs, etc...
sadly enough, mutt doesn't offer a flowers bouquet with each new mail,
so I had to give her XCMail ;-) );
is, in this case, ssh what I should be installing?

Thanks in advanced for your replies.

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Installing Debian 2.1 problem

1999-08-20 Thread Darran Provis



hi, I'm trying to install 2.1 (i386).
I have purchased Linux on CD's but I have a sound blaster 
CD-rom drive so the install won't recognise the CD drive. I know I need to make 
a boot disk with the correct drivers on it but, I need to know where to find the 
drivers etc and how to make the floppy. I have already made a rescue floppy 
using rawrite.
Thanks


Re: debian installation

1999-08-20 Thread Ed Cogburn
wahyu indrianto wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> I'm begineer for using debian, it's first time for me to innstall.
> but  I have problem for using. After I'm finised my installation the
> software cannot be use. I try to call XF86Setup they couldn't work.
> Please tell me what's wrong.


The XF86Setup program requires the VGA 16 X11 server to run. 
Double check that you installed this server.  You can also use
'xf86config' to confgure X11.  Its a console-mode program.


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Re: HELP: X window Setup Problem

1999-08-20 Thread Ed Cogburn
Nathan Duehr wrote:
> 
> You must configure the X setup for your particular system before it will
> work.  xf86setup or XF86Config.


To avoid possible confusion about the names mentioned above for a
newcomer:  There are two configuration programs called
'xf86config' and 'XF86Setup'.  The first one is run from a
console, the second one is GUI and assumes that the VGA server
will work on your machine.  X11's config file (the file
created/modified by the above programs) is '/etc/X11/XF86Config'.


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Re: C++ compiling problem

1999-08-20 Thread E.L. Meijer \(Eric\)
On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 11:09:35AM -0600, Robert Kerr wrote:
> Okay, here's the situation.
> 
> I'm porting a large project to Linux.  Some of the libraries we have to
> use were compiled with an older version of egcs (I'm pretty sure it was
> 1.0.3). So, they expect the libraries (specifically libstdc++) that come
> with that version of egcs.  Okay, so I installed the older version of egcs
> from Debian 2.0.  I installed it by hand so it wouldn't overwrite my
> current version of everything.  I set different path names and all that.
> Anyway, part of our code, which egcs 1.1.1 handles perfectly, causes a
> compiler crash for 1.0.3.  H.  So, here's what I propose to do:  I've
> downloaded a copy of libstdc++2.8.0.  I am planning on compiling it using
> the egcs 1.1.1 compiler.  Then I should have the new compiler with the old
> set of libraries.  
> 
> Does anyone see any major problems with this idea?

It seems a lot of trouble.  Why don't you just install libg++2.8.2-dev
2.91.60-5 (slink)?  This contains the parts of libstdc++ that were gnu
extensions and are dropped in favour of stl and friends in the newer
versions.  I think all you then need to do is after installation add a
-lg++ flag when linking.

It seems a good idea though to try to convert the code if you continue
using it in the future, since libg++ is no longer actively maintained.

HTH,
Eric

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Apache-SSL "suppresses" inlime images?

1999-08-20 Thread Ralf G. R. Bergs
Hi,

I have a very bizarre problem with Apache-SSL 1.3.3+1.29-2. Maybe one of you 
by chance can help me?

Ok, here we go:

I have a webpage that consists of static html pages, frames, inline images, 
and several Perl cgi scripts that dynamically create html pages. The server 
machine has two IP addresses: the external one visible from the Internet, 
and the internal one only visible from the LAN.

When I access the server internally (i.e. I establish a connection to its 
internal IP address) I've no problems whatsoever. But when people access the 
machine from the Internet (talking to the external IP) it often "forgets" 
inlime images, i.e. Netscape only displays the "broken image" symbol. When 
they click reload it often shows more images, and after they've clicked a 
couple of times all images are there.

The connection originates from the campus network and terminates in the 
campus network, i.e. there's no transmission problems, no network 
congestion. The connection is NOT a SSL connection, but a standard port-80, 
unencrypted http connection. I don't yet know whether things change if they 
use SSL because I've not yet asked them to try SSL. In the browser they're 
not using proxies, and by my instructions they've cleared memory and disk 
cache before trying to go to my page.

There's NO errors in Apache's log file. The access log file does NOT show 
that the client tried to GET the missing images. The other images that are 
being displayed DO appear in the access log file. That could either mean 
that the client -- for whatever reason -- doesn't request them, OR that the 
server doesn't log and fill the request.

Ok, that's bizarre, isn't it? Any ideas?!

Thanks,

Ralf


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Re: apt with smbmount

1999-08-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:08:07 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm installing slink on a friend's old '486, with a CD rom which is
>smbmounted from a drive on his win98 box.
>I can access the .deb files okay, and can do 'dpkg -i file.deb', but
>'apt-get install ' is broken because the symlinks on the CD
>aren't followed.
>Is there any way to get apt-get to work on an smbmounted CD rom?

You need a recent apt (for example apt-0.3.6.1 which by no doubt is
outdated by now) and apt.conf:

|[EMAIL PROTECTED]/121]:~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
|Acquire
|{
|   CDRom
|   {
|  Mount "/mnt/cdrom";
|  "/mnt/cdrom/"
|  {
|Mount "smbmount //janeway/cdrom /mnt/cdrom -U user -P password";
|UMount "umount /mnt/cdrom";
|  }
|}
|}
|
|[EMAIL PROTECTED]/122]:~$

The smbmount command line is for a 2.0.x style kernel, that line must
mount the cd-rom without doing and interactive things like asking for
a password.

Greetings
Marc

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Re: fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed: Connection refused

1999-08-20 Thread Åsmund Ødegård
Thu, 19 Aug skrev root:
> Hello,
> I'm doing a fresh slink install on a friend's old '486.
> I've installed fetchmail, but keep getting the error msg:
>   fetchmail: SMTP connect to localhost failed: Connection refused
> I edited /etc/exim.conf and added 'localhost' and my hostname to
> 'local_domains=' and restarted exim, but no change.
> I'm guessing that it's exim that won
> won't allow the connection.

Just a guess: 

Maybe exim starts via tcpd ( tcp-wrapper ), and localhost is now allowed to
connect. Check /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny

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debian installation

1999-08-20 Thread wahyu indrianto


Dear all,
I'm begineer for using debian, it's first time for me to innstall.
but  I have problem for using. After I'm finised my installation the 
software cannot be use. I try to call XF86Setup they couldn't work.

Please tell me what's wrong.

Give me the instruction,please..
regards,
wahyoe


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Re: NFS and file locking

1999-08-20 Thread William T Wilson
On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Stephen Pitts wrote:

> doesn't work. I think that it is trying to lock the files in some
> non-NFS compatible way.

You have to run lockd if you want locking to work over NFS.  Even so,
locking still doesn't work right (i.e. it still leaves open the
possibility of race conditions) and it only works with flock(), as far as
I know.  fcntl() won't work because fcntl() style locks are supposedly
"mandatory" locks and the NFS protocol has no support for mandatory
locking.

> Are there any workarounds to these NFS locking problems?

Yeah, create the locks on a local filesystem :}


Re: 80 min CD burning

1999-08-20 Thread Matthew Dalton
Paul Harris wrote:
> should i just try it anyway? can i get the 80 min storage space? is that
> option (in "Write CD") just there to warn about lack of disk space or does
> it affect the burn? has anyone made a successful burn with these cds?

I haven't tried writing to 80 minute CD's, but I've written some that
were just over 650Mb. Xcdroast doesn't seem to do an exact calculation
of the available storage on the CD. I knew that my data should fit so I
ignored the warning. The CD turned out okay.

My advice is to try it. Xcdroast is just guessing anyway... and the
cd-writer *should* take care of it.

Bear in mind, I haven't tried this so I don't know for sure if it will
work.

Matthew


80 min CD burning

1999-08-20 Thread Paul Harris
hi all,

i've got a whole pile of 80 minute writable cds here (I wanted 74 min but
there was no stock), but I have discovered that xcdroast doesn't seem to
have an "80 min cd" option when it comes to the burn.

should i just try it anyway? can i get the 80 min storage space? is that
option (in "Write CD") just there to warn about lack of disk space or does
it affect the burn? has anyone made a successful burn with these cds?

thanks,
Paul



Re: SV: Configuring a monitor (and video card)?

1999-08-20 Thread Eric G . Miller
  For auto poweroff at shutdown, you need to compile the kernel with APM
(Advanced Power Management).  This isn't enable with the default kernel.
Get your system up and running first.  Remember to always use a command
such as "halt", "poweroff", or "shutdown" to stop the machine. Then hit
the power switch.
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Re: Booting problems!

1999-08-20 Thread Nathan Duehr
I've seen odd booting behavior from LILO before when BIOS settings were
set to things that Linux couldn't understand/support.  Other things I've
tried and succeeded in Linux installations on some machines in the past is
completely removing all but the ABSOLUTELY necessary hardware and
reconfiguring the BIOS settings just to see if it'll make it through
booting the kernel.  If so, I start adding stuff until it fails again, and
I've found the culprit. 

I am fresh out of ideas for you old man, but best of luck to you!

On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > thank you for reading this message. The first boot for installation of
> > > > debian 2.1 fails.
> > > > After 'Loading linux ..' nothing happens, the machine hangs.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Thank you for your replies.
> 
> My original e-mail included:
> I tried several bootdisks (resc1440.bin resc1440-safe.bin
> resc1440tecra.bin) and even old bootdisks from a previous debian
> version. Also booting from DOS using loadlin doesnt work. Unfortunately
> the machine cannot boot from cdrom.
> 
> Nathan Duehr wrote:
> > 
> > Make sure you try the Tecra disk images, which are zImage kernels instead
> > of bzImage kernels.  There's some notes on the mirrors in the README files
> > and in the HTML doc files of the bootdisks regarding this in the disk-i386
> > directory.
> > 
> 
> I've read it and tried it. But thats a 'no go'
> 
> On 16 Aug 1999, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> 
> > > Generally this means a bad floppy.
> 
> Tried several floppies.
> > >
> > > There are other boot methods also, such as CD-ROM or loadlin from a
> > > DOS partition.  Soon, TFTP for i386 also.
> > >
> 
> But that doesn't solve my problem ..
> 
> 
> Any other suggestions.?
> 

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Re: HELP: X window Setup Problem

1999-08-20 Thread Nathan Duehr
You must configure the X setup for your particular system before it will
work.  xf86setup or XF86Config.

On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Kim, Jeong-Hwan wrote:

> Also when I type "startx" in shell, it tells me "XFree86Config" file cannot 
> be found.

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Re: SV: Configuring a monitor (and video card)?

1999-08-20 Thread virtanen
On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Peter S Galbraith wrote:

> 
> virtanen wrote:
> 
> > while doing dpkg -i there is no advice available to see, what kind of
> > packages are needed to solve dependency problems... It is just telling you
> > that this won't do... 
> 
> Doing dpkg -i  should give you meaningful error messages.
> 

It is just telling you that it cannot configure the driver. I knew that is
not a good way to install anything from potato, but basically this is the
only thing you can easily do by just following (the missing) instructions
available at debian.org. (It might be a good idea to have some kind of 
archive there telling what to do with some newer machines, which are not
compatible with slink, but with which there is some newer stuff available
anyway.)

> > announced 'unpacking...' (so there is something else besides that
> > 'Windows-button'.)
> > 
> > Now the complete system is again broken, no kernel or X starting. No
> > dependency problems either.  
> > 
> > Going home. Got enough for today. 
> 
> The netgod stuff I pointed to is built for slink.  I use it on my
> G200 at home and my Diamond Viper (TNT-based) at work with _no_
> problems.

Today is a new day. Thanks a lot for this knowledge about the right
server. I'll try to install it today. If the screen starts working OK,
I'll try to solve the problem of sudden shut-down. 

I was told by a local windows-guru that the automatic shut-off is a
property of newer atx-boxes and mainboards. It might be a problem. There
is probably some kind of message coming from windblows when it is going
down to tell the machine to shut the power off. Is it possible that the
machine is getting the same signal from GNU-system sometimes?

hv
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Eureka!

1999-08-20 Thread Stephen Pitts
On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 07:17:37PM -0700, Sean Perry wrote:
> > 
> > Are there any workarounds to these NFS locking problems?
> 
> kexpress can be fixed by mailing the author and helping him fix it -- source 
> is
> a great thing.
> 
> WP8 I am surprised fails, we used it on Suns where everything is nfs.

The problem is on my end. In deperation I upped the server to the latest
potato and upgraded it to 2.2.11. When I rebooted (third time it has
ever been rebooted), I saw the message:
Starting NFS client services: rpc.lockdlockdsvc: Function not
implemented

Evidently, my NFS server CAN'T do file locking. Loading the 'lockd'
moduel and restarting the service doesn't do anything either. Should I
try kernel-level NFS server support?
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RE: new release of xfmail?

1999-08-20 Thread Wim Kerkhoff
I have been using xfmail for a while, but find it crashing often on me, ie,
serveral times daily.

It doesn't give any errors, though, besides the "Xfmail crashed... etc" dialog.
What is the best way of reporting bugs?

By the way, there is a new xfmail mailing list at
http://slappy.org/mailman/listinfo/xfmail.


On 20-Aug-99 Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> 
> On 20-Aug-99 Pollywog wrote:
>> It looks as though there is a new release of xfmail.  Is that correct?
> 
> I recompiled xfmail against gdbm and a few other clean-ups, closed all open
> bugs, etc.  I have been unable to find the maint and upstream is also dead. 
> I
> am the maintainer now until someone else takes over.


Thanks,

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Re: configure for SoundBlaster cdrom sbpcd.h ?

1999-08-20 Thread Stephen Pitts
On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 12:39:46PM +1000, Alexander Jankowsky wrote:
> 
> 
> As the system is booting up, it eventually gets to this...
> 
> sbpcd-0 [01]:  sbpcd.c v4.6 Eberhard Moenkeberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> sbpcd-0 [02]:  Scanning 0x340 (LaserMate)...
> sbpcd-0 [03]:  Scanning 0x230 (SoundBlaster)...
> sbpcd-0 [04]:  Drive 0 (ID=0): CR-563 (0.75) at 0x230 (type 1)
> sbpcd-1 [05]:  You should read linux/Documentation/cdrom/sbpcd
> sbpcd-1 [06]:  and then configure sbpcd.h for your hardware.
> sbpcd-0 [07]:  data buffer size: 8 frames.
> 
> I tried adding,
> sbpcd=0x230,1  and  sbpcd=0x230,SoundBlaster  into  /etc/lilo.config
Ahhh..but the stock Debian kernel ships with sbpcd as a module!
/etc/lilo.conf only affects stuff compiled into the kernel. The correct
lilo.conf syntax would be 'append = "sbpcd=0x230,1"', anyways, if it was 
builtin to the kernel.

Better is adding 'options sbpcd sbpcd=0x230,1' to /etc/modutils/sbpcd,
and running 'update-modules'. Then 'rmmod sbpcd; modprobe sbpcd' should
work, and it will load automatically without autoprobe the next time you
reboot.
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Fwd: Re: [Re: Vedr: Re: No network?]

1999-08-20 Thread dmacdoug

Yes, this is surely your problem the 3c509 combo card has a BNC and a
twisted pair port and possibly also an AUI port as well.  You have the
twisted pair (10baseT port chosen.  It is changed by software.  I've
never tried it in linux, but in Windows NT4 and I think also 95 it can
be set from the Network control panel.  If you don't have that option,
I think you probably need the diskette that came with the card.  It will
probably boot in dos and then allow you to change the port.  If you
don't have that, I think you can probably download the program from
support.3com.com, put it on a dos boot disk and then be in business.

Don MacDougall


On 19 Aug, Marc Mongeon wrote:
> Is this a card with two network ports?  Unless I'm mistaken, "10BaseT"
> refers to the RJ-45 (telephone-like) port, while the BNC port should be
> called "10Base2" or something.  You need to change the port using either
> switch settings on the card, or a software utility that came with the card.
> My memory on this is a little fuzzy, so I hope I'm not full of crap.
> 
> Marc
> 
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> 
 "Alex V. Toropov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/19 4:02 AM >>>
>> Yes - the windows-machines can see each other in the windows-network.
>> (Workgroupname Olsen as the domainname at the linux box.)
>> The windows pc's can ping each other, but not the linux.
>>
>> I'm using bnc-cables, and the linux is in the middle. I've tried to change
>> the T's - no effect.
>> The start-up messages show no problems initializing the network-card.
> (Loading
>> modules . vfat smbfs 3c509 at 0x300 tag 1, 10baseT port, address 00 60
> 08
>> 31 22 84, IRQ 10)
>> (eth0: Setting Rx mode to 1 addresses)
>>
>> Yours Henning
> 
> 
> Well, one logical thing to test - try "route -n"
> You should see line like
> 192.168.1.00.0.0.0255.255.255.0eth0
> 
> If it exists then I can't see any logical errors and I think the problem is
> in NIC
> may be You can change cards between computers and see if linux card will
> work in PC and vise verse.
> 
> 






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