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Re: PC éteint qui consomme
Ce bug présumé est du ressort des gens qui codent le noyau. https://bugzilla.kernel.org/ https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/reporting-bugs.html Suite: Donc en fait non, il semble que les machines sous Ubuntu precise n'aient pas ce bug. Pour être précis, le même toshiba sous Ubuntu precise ne présente pas ce bug. J'ai donc essayé d'installer l'acpi de precise (paquet acpid, acpi, acpi-support qui équivaut à acpi-support, acpi-supportèbase, acpi-fakekey), c'est un échec. J'ai remplacé le sysvinit par le sysvinit de squeeze qui est la même version mais là encore c'est un échec. Chaque installation est une recompilation des sources des paquets ubuntu. Si quelqu'un a une idée, je suis toujours preneur, arrêter la machine en la redémarrant n'est pas satisfaisant... François Boisson -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102083338.4a0a776b56c69f9737e5e...@maison.homelinux.net
Re: Plus de clavier ni de souris avec kdm !
Le Fri, 02 Nov 2012 00:59:15 +0100, Mourad Jaber m...@nativobject.net a écrit : Bonsoir, J'ai un gros soucis avec un laptop. Au dernier upgrade, tout s'est bien passé mais le redémarrage suivant, c'est la panique... Pas de log louche, mais je n'ai ni clavier, ni souris qui fonctionne donc impossible de faire quoi que ça ! J'ai pris la main en ssh pour pouvoir analyser les logs, mais il n'y a rien de probant, tout semble normal, même pas un warning dans le changement de X ! Dans les logs de kdm j'ai ça X.Org X Server 1.12.4 Release Date: 2012-08-27 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 x86_64 Debian Current Operating System: Linux hammer-head 3.5-trunk-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.5.5-1~experimental.1 x86_64 Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.5-trunk-amd64 root=UUID=18d08a71-e5e2-4847-bb6d-fbe434787ced ro quiet splash Build Date: 30 September 2012 10:53:24AM xorg-server 2:1.12.4-1 (Julien Cristau jcris...@debian.org) Current version of pixman: 0.26.0 Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, Time: Fri Nov 2 00:48:01 2012 (==) Using config file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf (==) Using system config directory /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d klauncher(4176) kdemain: No DBUS session-bus found. Check if you have started the DBUS server. kdeinit4: Communication error with launcher. Exiting! kdmgreet(4168)/kdecore (K*TimeZone*): KSystemTimeZones: ktimezoned initialize() D-Bus call failed: Not connected to D-Bus server kdmgreet(4168)/kdecore (K*TimeZone*): No time zone information obtained from ktimezoned ça me laisserai penser un problème avec dbus, mais ni kdm, ni dbus ont été mis à jour par le dernier upgrade ! Si quelqu'un a une idée pour creuser une piste, je suis preneur à 100% ! ++ Mourad bonjour, est il possible de vérifier la présence des paquets suivants : xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd |grep Install slt bernard -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102083427.02d39c51.bernard.schoenac...@free.fr
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
Le Fri, 2 Nov 2012 08:33:38 +0100 François Boisson user.anti-s...@maison.homelinux.net a écrit: . J'ai remplacé le sysvinit par le sysvinit de squeeze qui est la même version mais là encore c'est un échec. Chaque installation est une recompilation des sources des paquets ubuntu. Je viens de m'apercevoir de l'existence d'upstart qui remplacerait sysvinit à terme et qui est utilisé sous Ubuntu. J'essaye donc... -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102093557.b485f2be36b46501de22a...@maison.homelinux.net
[RESOLU, Yatta!] Re: Plus de clavier ni de souris avec kdm !
Le 02/11/2012 08:34, Bernard Schoenacker a écrit : Le Fri, 02 Nov 2012 00:59:15 +0100, Mourad Jaber m...@nativobject.net a écrit : Bonsoir, J'ai un gros soucis avec un laptop. Au dernier upgrade, tout s'est bien passé mais le redémarrage suivant, c'est la panique... Pas de log louche, mais je n'ai ni clavier, ni souris qui fonctionne donc impossible de faire quoi que ça ! J'ai pris la main en ssh pour pouvoir analyser les logs, mais il n'y a rien de probant, tout semble normal, même pas un warning dans le changement de X ! Dans les logs de kdm j'ai ça ... ça me laisserai penser un problème avec dbus, mais ni kdm, ni dbus ont été mis à jour par le dernier upgrade ! Si quelqu'un a une idée pour creuser une piste, je suis preneur à 100% ! ++ Mourad bonjour, est il possible de vérifier la présence des paquets suivants : xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd |grep Install slt bernard En fait, je ne les ai plus depuis un moment il sont dépréciés, mais je n'ai effectivement pas précisé que je suis en wheezy ! Ils sont remplacé par xserver-xorg-input-evdev qui n'a pas bougé depuis quelques semaines... J'ai également le paquet xserver-xorg-input-all, donc de ce coté là ça doit être bon... J'ai trouvé la solution par hasard : A chaque fois que j'essayé de faire un ps axf j'obtenai : # ps axf PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND Signal 11 (SEGV) caught by ps (procps-ng version 3.3.3). 0 ? 0:00ps:display.c:59: please report this bug En revenant sur la version 3.3.3 (j'étais sur la version instable 3.3.4) de procps et en redémarrant, tout est rentré dans l'ordre ! Je m'en vais de ce pas reporter un bug ! ++ Mourad -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5093905f.3080...@nativobject.net
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 08:33:38 +0100 François Boisson user.anti-s...@maison.homelinux.net wrote: Donc en fait non, il semble que les machines sous Ubuntu precise n'aient pas ce bug. Pour être précis, le même toshiba sous Ubuntu precise ne présente pas ce bug. 'gade ce que le package trudububu arrête comme devices et compare avec Debian. -- Magus Hey Ben mon chat est chez toi ? Ben Oui Magus Tu pourras accrocher ma clé usb à son collier pour qu'il l'a ramène chez moi après ? Ben Ok Juliette Vous êtes désespérant ... -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102121938.359d2282@anubis.defcon1
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
'gade ce que le package trudububu arrête comme devices et compare avec Debian. Ben il arrête tout comme ceux de debian en théorie. Au bilan: Sur la même machine (toshiba portege): * Debian wheezy - Pbm de consommation machine éteinte * Debian lenny i386 - pas de tels problèmes * Ubuntu precise - pas de pbm J'ai testé le sysvinit de Ubuntu, les problèmes restent. Je suis passé sous upstart, les problèmes restent. J'ai noté que Ubuntu utilise une version récente d'upstart alors que la sid utilise toujours la version 0.66 d'Octobre 2010 (!?), du coup je me suis fait un paquet vite fait (moyennement fait) de la version 1.5 et suis en train de la tester... À suivre François Boisson -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102134650.627df95e7e0c2415b585f...@maison.homelinux.net
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 13:46:50 +0100 François Boisson user.anti-s...@maison.homelinux.net wrote: Ben il arrête tout comme ceux de debian en théorie. Au bilan: en théorie, c'est ptêt là qu'est l'os!? Sur la même machine (toshiba portege): * Debian wheezy - Pbm de consommation machine éteinte * Debian lenny i386 - pas de tels problèmes * Ubuntu precise - pas de pbm Est-ce que le kernel est tjrs de la même version? Et si oui, est-ce que les options de compil sont les mêmes? Si non, est-ce qu'un chgt de kernel change aussi les choses? Ensuite, pareil pour chaque pkg et surtout fichiers de conf; un peu comme une vente: tu commences par ratisser large et tu rétréci le champs d'action au fur et à mesure sans rien oublier. En dernier lieu, reste l'ouverture et la mesure pour voir qui est alimenté ou non suivant l'OS. -- jade et tu aprécis le chanteur ? jade aprécie* jade appécie* jade mais je vais y ariiver ! jade apprecies* duguite de quoi ? jade le chantuer -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102140130.2d01b42f@anubis.defcon1
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
Le 02/11/2012 09:35, François Boisson a écrit : Le Fri, 2 Nov 2012 08:33:38 +0100 François Boisson user.anti-s...@maison.homelinux.net a écrit: . J'ai remplacé le sysvinit par le sysvinit de squeeze qui est la même version mais là encore c'est un échec. Chaque installation est une recompilation des sources des paquets ubuntu. Je viens de m'apercevoir de l'existence d'upstart qui remplacerait sysvinit à terme et qui est utilisé sous Ubuntu. J'essaye donc... Je ne suis pas sûr que upstart remplacera sysvinit, cela va plutôt vers systemd ces temps-ci... upstart est un outils ubuntu et aucune autre distribution ne s'y est vraiment intéressée ! A contrario, une partie des distribution ont déjà franchi le pas vers systemd et debian devrait être du lot, mais après la sortie de wheezy ! ++ Mourad -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5093c7b4.1090...@nativobject.net
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
Le Fri, 2 Nov 2012 14:01:30 +0100 Bzzz lazyvi...@gmx.com a écrit: On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 13:46:50 +0100 François Boisson user.anti-s...@maison.homelinux.net wrote: Ben il arrête tout comme ceux de debian en théorie. Au bilan: en théorie, c'est ptêt là qu'est l'os!? Si tu me donnes un moyen de vérifier ça je suis preneur, j'ai essayé de recompiler le noyau pour tracer l'arrêt à coup de printk bien placés et en filamant l'écran (puisqu'il s'éteint à la fin) et extrayant les images mais c'est un flop, la séquence d'arrêt est finalement très courte et tout semble dans la préparation. Sur la même machine (toshiba portege): * Debian wheezy - Pbm de consommation machine éteinte * Debian lenny i386 - pas de tels problèmes * Ubuntu precise - pas de pbm Est-ce que le kernel est tjrs de la même version? Et si oui, est-ce que les options de compil sont les mêmes? Si non, est-ce qu'un chgt de kernel change aussi les choses? J'ai essayé des noyaux 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.5.2 et 3.5.4. De ce coté là ça n'a rien donné. Le problème a lieu sur des gentoo, des debian sur différents portables mais pas sur une lenny avec un 2.6.37 32 bits (clefagreg) et donc sur une Ubuntu precise avec un noyau 3.3. J'ai déposé un message sur linux-acpi mais qui n'a pas suscité un intérêt énorme. Ensuite, pareil pour chaque pkg et surtout fichiers de conf; un peu comme une vente: tu commences par ratisser large et tu rétréci le champs d'action au fur et à mesure sans rien oublier. Ben oui, et tu chercherais où? J'ai épluché la configuration acpi, j'ai multiplié les changements de configuration à l'arrêt, une seule chose marche: si je redémarre la machine et l'arrète au menu de grub, le phénomène n'a pas lieu. J'ai également blacklisté les modules WIFI (pour le WakeonWLAN), etc. En dernier lieu, reste l'ouverture et la mesure pour voir qui est alimenté ou non suivant l'OS. Sur un portégé (ultrabook), la théorie est bonne mais la pratique? Comment ferais tu pour voir si le SSD est alimenté par exemple? Tu exploses la nappe? C'est pour cette raison que j'essaye différentes pistes: Avec l'ACPI d'Ubuntu ça coince, avec le sysvinit aussi. Ubuntu utilise upstart qui contient les programmes shutdown et tout ce qui concerne l'arrêt, donc j'essaye cette version. Je n'ai pas beaucoup d'autres idées mais démonter ce portable pour ça, je ne crois pas que je le ferai car même une fois démonté mesurer une éventuelle alimentation d'un périphérique me parait très délicat.. François Boisson -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102150026.ddfb6c7db02cd61f178b4...@maison.homelinux.net
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 15:00:26 +0100 François Boisson user.anti-s...@maison.homelinux.net wrote: Si tu me donnes un moyen de vérifier ça je suis preneur, j'ai essayé de recompiler le noyau pour tracer l'arrêt à coup de printk bien placés et en filamant l'écran (puisqu'il s'éteint à la fin) et extrayant les images mais c'est un flop, la séquence d'arrêt est finalement très courte et tout semble dans la préparation. C'est déjà ça. Ne se mettrait-il pas en suspend2RAM au lieu de suspend2DISK? J'ai essayé des noyaux 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.5.2 et 3.5.4. De ce coté là ça n'a rien donné. Le problème a lieu sur des gentoo, des debian sur différents portables mais pas sur une lenny avec un 2.6.37 32 bits (clefagreg) et donc sur une Ubuntu precise avec un noyau 3.3. J'ai déposé un message sur linux-acpi mais qui n'a pas suscité un intérêt énorme. Hmm, as-tu 'gadé sur le web si tu trouvais une liste exhaustive de tous les pkgs concernés par l'hibernation? Ben oui, et tu chercherais où? J'ai épluché la configuration acpi, j'ai multiplié les changements de configuration à l'arrêt, Je ne pense pas que ça soit ACPI. une seule chose marche: si je redémarre la machine et l'arrète au menu de grub, le phénomène n'a pas lieu. J'ai également blacklisté les modules WIFI (pour le WakeonWLAN), etc. Wai, mais si mes souvenirs sont bons, le menu grub c'est quand la machine n'a pas chargée son kernel ni OS; mais c'est déjà une élimination :) Sur un portégé (ultrabook), la théorie est bonne mais la pratique? Comment ferais tu pour voir si le SSD est alimenté par exemple? Tu exploses la nappe? Ça n'est pas avec ce que bouffe un SSD que ça te videra aussi vite la batterie. Ptêt un truc: un watch/une loop toutes les secondes du hard (genre hwinfo, ou autre parce que celui-ci est lent) qui balance le résultat dans un fichier; ça peut ptêt t'aider à trouver ce qui n'est pas arrêté. Par ailleurs, c'est _aussi_ un PB rencontré par certains utilisateurs de w$7. Sinon, certains forums parlent d'une désactivation du WOL; vérifie aussi si le timer de réveil et le réveil par une touche ou une combinaison de touches ne serait pas positionné dans le BIOS. Vérifie aussi ce qui se passe avec les drivers: sont-ils déchargés et rechargés au démarrage ou non; et 'gade si certaines options (pas spécialement desdits drivers) ne seraient pas positionnées (/etc/modprobe.d/*) différemment suivant la distro. -- * Clara has joined #XCHat Clara bonjour tout le monde jojo bonjour :) christophe euh Clara...Morgane ? ^^ Clara nan arretez sa devient lourd , je ne suis pas chanteuse -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102153313.66456247@anubis.defcon1
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
Le Fri, 2 Nov 2012 15:33:13 +0100 Bzzz lazyvi...@gmx.com a écrit: On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 15:00:26 +0100 François Boisson user.anti-s...@maison.homelinux.net wrote: Si tu me donnes un moyen de vérifier ça je suis preneur, j'ai essayé de recompiler le noyau pour tracer l'arrêt à coup de printk bien placés et en filamant l'écran (puisqu'il s'éteint à la fin) et extrayant les images mais c'est un flop, la séquence d'arrêt est finalement très courte et tout semble dans la préparation. C'est déjà ça. Ne se mettrait-il pas en suspend2RAM au lieu de suspend2DISK? C'est un arrêt, pas un suspend et non ça n'est pas un suspend2ram mais si la consommation électrique correspond presque. J'ai essayé des noyaux 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.5.2 et 3.5.4. De ce coté là ça n'a rien donné. Le problème a lieu sur des gentoo, des debian sur différents portables mais pas sur une lenny avec un 2.6.37 32 bits (clefagreg) et donc sur une Ubuntu precise avec un noyau 3.3. J'ai déposé un message sur linux-acpi mais qui n'a pas suscité un intérêt énorme. Hmm, as-tu 'gadé sur le web si tu trouvais une liste exhaustive de tous les pkgs concernés par l'hibernation? Ça ne concerne pas l'hibernation, c'est un shutdown avec toutes les options possibles imaginables. Ben oui, et tu chercherais où? J'ai épluché la configuration acpi, j'ai multiplié les changements de configuration à l'arrêt, Je ne pense pas que ça soit ACPI. Pourquoi? Si quelque chose reste allumé, ça dépend de la gestion ACPI. une seule chose marche: si je redémarre la machine et l'arrète au menu de grub, le phénomène n'a pas lieu. J'ai également blacklisté les modules WIFI (pour le WakeonWLAN), etc. Wai, mais si mes souvenirs sont bons, le menu grub c'est quand la machine n'a pas chargée son kernel ni OS; mais c'est déjà une élimination :) C'est surtout après que le BIOS ait réinitialisé les périphériques et donc à l'arrêt, ceux ci sont éteints normalement. Sur un portégé (ultrabook), la théorie est bonne mais la pratique? Comment ferais tu pour voir si le SSD est alimenté par exemple? Tu exploses la nappe? Ça n'est pas avec ce que bouffe un SSD que ça te videra aussi vite la batterie. C'est un exemple. Ptêt un truc: un watch/une loop toutes les secondes du hard (genre hwinfo, ou autre parce que celui-ci est lent) qui balance le résultat dans un fichier; ça peut ptêt t'aider à trouver ce qui n'est pas arrêté. Mais la machine ne tourne pas, que veux tu voir dans ce fichier?? C'est un «shutdown» pas une hibernation. Par ailleurs, c'est _aussi_ un PB rencontré par certains utilisateurs de w$7. Pas sur cette machine, arrếtée sous W7 tout se passe bien. Sinon, certains forums parlent d'une désactivation du WOL; vérifie aussi si le timer de réveil et le réveil par une touche ou une combinaison de touches ne serait pas positionné dans le BIOS. Vérifie aussi ce qui se passe avec les drivers: sont-ils déchargés et rechargés au démarrage ou non; et 'gade si certaines options (pas spécialement desdits drivers) ne seraient pas positionnées (/etc/modprobe.d/*) différemment suivant la distro. Comme je l'ai dit dans mes messages, j'ai tout essayé de ce coté y compris en blacklistant les modules WIFI, bluetooth, USB et réseau et ça n'est pas une hibernation mais un shutdown, tout est arrêté à l'arrêt (en théorie) et tout est rechargé au démarrage. C'est pour cela que je m'oriente sur le shutdown. François Boisson -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102172728.6b90df7dd0fc47e3b44c2...@maison.homelinux.net
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:27:28 +0100 François Boisson user.anti-s...@maison.homelinux.net wrote: C'est un arrêt, pas un suspend et non ça n'est pas un suspend2ram mais si la consommation électrique correspond presque. Ben justement, j'ai eu une fois le cas (mais en hibernation) où c'était RAM au lieu de DISK. Je ne pense pas que ça soit ACPI. Pourquoi? Si quelque chose reste allumé, ça dépend de la gestion ACPI. Cépakeskéjvoulèdir: Ok, ça dépend de l'ACPI, mais le comportement de l'ACPI dépend aussi de ce que lui dit les drivers. C'est surtout après que le BIOS ait réinitialisé les périphériques et donc à l'arrêt, ceux ci sont éteints normalement. C'est justement la raison pour laquelle je regarderai vers les drivers, et ce thread semble me donner raison (3ème tiers: le WOL est ON, mais ACPI ne le reflète pas!): http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1729782.html Et celui-ci d° (vers la fin): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/110784 Ptêt un truc: un watch/une loop toutes les secondes du hard (genre hwinfo, ou autre parce que celui-ci est lent) qui balance le résultat dans un fichier; ça peut ptêt t'aider à trouver ce qui n'est pas arrêté. Mais la machine ne tourne pas, que veux tu voir dans ce fichier?? C'est un «shutdown» pas une hibernation. Ben lors du shutdown, ça peut ptêt logger ce qui est resté ON avant extinction (à condition, bien sûr que le machin agisse (ou pas) avant démontage du FS ou écriture du fichier). Comme je l'ai dit dans mes messages, j'ai tout essayé de ce coté y compris en blacklistant les modules WIFI, bluetooth, USB et réseau et ça n'est pas une hibernation mais un shutdown, tout est arrêté à l'arrêt (en théorie) et tout est rechargé au démarrage. C'est pour cela que je m'oriente sur le shutdown. Celui-ci a le même PB (et la même solt!): http://allencch.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/linux-shutdown-battery-draining-problem-solved/ Ceci peut ptêt aussi t'aider: https://lesswatts.org/index.php BTW, est-ce que: USB Sleep Charge est bien désactivé ds le BIOS? -- K-Mille te moque pas, tu es un geek donc on sait à quoi se résume ta vie sexuelle ^^ RuTT à quoi se résume ma vie sexuelle ? 18 Go. RuTT en .ZIP hein K-Mille donc chez toi les préliminaires c'est de la décompression ? -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102180234.49f440c8@anubis.defcon1
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
Le vendredi 2 novembre 2012 à 17:27:28, François Boisson a écrit : […] Ptêt un truc: un watch/une loop toutes les secondes du hard (genre hwinfo, ou autre parce que celui-ci est lent) qui balance le résultat dans un fichier; ça peut ptêt t'aider à trouver ce qui n'est pas arrêté. Mais la machine ne tourne pas, que veux tu voir dans ce fichier?? C'est un «shutdown» pas une hibernation. Et quand bien même, dans une veille, tout est arrêté sauf l’alimentation de la RAM. Ça veut dire que le CPU n’effectue plus aucune instruction. Il ne se passe rien. Voir http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface pour la liste des états _ACPI_ globaux (G1/S3), ceux d’un CPU (C1 C2) et ceux des périphériques (D1 à D3). Il se peut que ce soient certains périphériques qui ne passent pas en D3 (éteint) mais restent en D[0-2]. Sauf que, comme tu l’as dit, c’est difficile de vérifier qui bouffe du courant sans avoir un matériel spécial et une bonne connaissance des flux dans le bouzin. J’aurais aussi tendance à dire que c’est le noyau (notamment si, comme je crois me souvenir que tu l’as dit, la consommation d’énegie correspond à celle d’une veille suspend2ram : c’est alors le CPU qui n’est pas passé en C3). Et j’ai donc un peu de mal à voir comment ça peut ne pas être seulement un problème dans le noyau… mais tes tests semblent prouver le contraire¹… ¹ : euh, tu as bien essayé le noyau de « la Ubuntu qui marche » (et seulement lui) dans « la Debian qui marche pas », hein ? (Je demande parce que, à force de faire des tests, parfois, on en loupe un et, Murphy aidant, c’est souvent le « bon »…) -- Sylvain Sauvage -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211021826.35020.sylvain.l.sauv...@free.fr
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 21:27:48 +0100 François Boisson user.anti-s...@maison.homelinux.net wrote: * Le WOL ne fonctionnait pas (la machine ne se réveille pas) * Les voyants ne clignotent pas et sont éteints malgré une activité sur le réseau. Ça confirme l'état décrit dans ces threads: ethtool voit le WOL activé, mais pas ACPI (d'où pas de réveil!). -- Marine : Putain de meuble ! J'ai mal :( Fye : Tu as un bleu, Marine ? Marine : povkon ! -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102213440.2ebbd71a@anubis.defcon1
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
Le Fri, 2 Nov 2012 21:34:40 +0100 Bzzz lazyvi...@gmx.com a écrit: On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 21:27:48 +0100 François Boisson user.anti-s...@maison.homelinux.net wrote: * Le WOL ne fonctionnait pas (la machine ne se réveille pas) * Les voyants ne clignotent pas et sont éteints malgré une activité sur le réseau. Ça confirme l'état décrit dans ces threads: ethtool voit le WOL activé, mais pas ACPI (d'où pas de réveil!). Sauf que là, le WOL était effectivement éteint. En clair à vue de nez tout était normal. Ma question est de savoir si le WOL désactivé (/proc/acpi/wakeup le montre désactivé) pourrait être en fait alimenté malgré une inactivité apparente (pas de voyant, pas de fonctionnement) et programmé (WOL désactivé vu du noyau). Ce serait quand même vicieux. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102225535.168b176356661000c40fa...@maison.homelinux.net
Re: PC éteint qui consomme
On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 22:55:35 +0100 François Boisson user.anti-s...@maison.homelinux.net wrote: Ma question est de savoir si le WOL désactivé (/proc/acpi/wakeup le montre désactivé) pourrait être en fait alimenté malgré une inactivité apparente (pas de voyant, pas de fonctionnement) et programmé (WOL désactivé vu du noyau). Ben pour ce faire ethtool est ton ami. Et pour ce qui est des voyants, rien ne dit s'ils sont commandés volontairement ou pas par le chipset (et le chipset commandé par le driver et les voyants par le chipset ou par le driver qui commande le chipset)... Sans préjudice d'un éventuel va-et-vient entre driver et ACPI ;) Ce serait quand même vicieux. Si c'est ça, tu pourra toujours crier au WOL :p -- +ZeeToms: c koi google talk? @LamerFowl: c'est pour parler à google @LamerFowl: salut google, je cherche quelques photos de kirsten dunst, tu peux m'aider ? hop il fait la recherche. mais faut un micro +ZeeToms: c genial -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102230802.32807e66@anubis.defcon1
Open CL et intel HD Graphics
Bonjour, Est-il possible de faire de l'Open CL avec une CG Intel HD Graphics Sandybridge GT2+, sous Debian ? Gaëtan -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121103014727.80322b1f0ff0313ab7e6a...@neuf.fr
Re: [squeeze] exécuter des commandes avec droits root (hypothèse sudo)
Bonjour, Le 02/11/12, Grégory Bulotdebian.list200...@batman.dyndns.org a écrit : j'ai mis ma config dans dans /etc/sudoers.d/gbu plutôt qu'une édition via visudo Test réussis en saisissant le mot de passe de l'utilisateur. Super je me dit que j'ai plus qu'a désactivé le mot de passe, sans succès : MYADMINS ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: PKGMGMT, SHUTDOWN Je n'utilise pas ta technique mais visudo, je n'ai pas la ligne ci-dessus. J'ignore si ça peut t'aider, si ta technique réagit pareil ou pas. MYADMINS ALL=NOPASSWD: PKGMGMT, SHUTDOWN Je me demande s'il ne faut pas mettre le chemin entier : /sbin/shutdown Raphaël -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cammtcixuio7vvoef_l32cc7qeuf0r+24ogy0kjqrjdxjg-r...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Crypt proc ps
El jue, 01-11-2012 a las 23:08 -0300, linuxknow escribió: Claro eso sería estatico, a un archivo no esta mal. Mi idea sería algo mas al estilo codificado en pantalla en tiempo real, capaz muy loco pero me surgio con respecto a ocultar info, es decir con determinados usuarios se muestre todo encriptado pero cuando se logea admin este se vea normal. es decir admin@debian:/home/user# ps -u admin PID TTY TIME CMD 4374 ?00:00:00 lxsession 4397 ?00:00:00 ssh-agent 4400 ?00:00:00 dbus-launch 4401 ?00:00:01 dbus-daemon 4407 ?00:00:08 openbox 4412 ?00:00:25 lxpanel 4413 ?00:00:02 pcmanfm a esto user@debian:/home/user# ps -u user PID TTY TIME CMD 4374 ?00:00:00 hHuxiji5nQBMw 4397 ?00:00:00 9CdUxSQfFfnxQ quiza alguien habia visto algo así. Yo no sé como cifrar la salida en pantalla pero sudo puede ayudarte a que ciertos usuarios no puedan ejecutar ciertos comandos. aptitude install sudo y mira los ejemplos que hay en man sudo -- Francesc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1351843404.2110.2.camel@negret
Re: [OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Gracias por la info, esto es para ejecutar los comandos pero para hacerlo
como root? tengo que instalarrme sudo o algo parecido?
El 1 de noviembre de 2012 14:07, alexissauc...@gmail.com escribió:
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Algo asi mira:
?
$comando = Exec('ls');
Echo $comando;
?
Busca info sobre exec() o system().
Saludos!
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*Subject: *[OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Buenas
Antes que nada este es un OFF TOPIC no tiene a priori nada que ver con
debian.
¿Como podría ejecutar comandos que requieren root por ejemplo iptables
desde una web en php?
Saludos
El 1 de noviembre de 2012 14:07, alexissauc...@gmail.com escribió:
**
Algo asi mira:
?
$comando = Exec('ls');
Echo $comando;
?
Busca info sobre exec() o system().
Saludos!
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*Subject: *[OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Buenas
Antes que nada este es un OFF TOPIC no tiene a priori nada que ver con
debian.
¿Como podría ejecutar comandos que requieren root por ejemplo iptables
desde una web en php?
Saludos
Reboot and Select proper Boot Device
Que tal lista: Tengo una computadora en mi trabajo que funciona en Debian. Por cuestiones de necesidad, esta maquina no tiene carcaza y esta montada sobre una tabla. La maquina no se ve, esta oculta, pero tiene un switch para encenderla y apagarla. Ese cable se desconecto, al conectarlo nuevamente directamente en la motherboard el sistema ya no funciona. lanzo un mensaje que no pude escribir era algo sbre getty (en el arranque y el runlevel, decia que tenia que esperar 5 minutos, se quedo pasmada un tiempo y se apago). Al arrancarla nuevamente me aparece el mensaje siguiente: Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot Media in selected bood device and press key. Me imagino que se desconfiguro GRU. Alguna idea y como podria resolverlo?. Gracias -- Al juntarme dia tras dia con los Listeros, mi capacidad intelectual crece en proporcion inversa a la ignorancia generada. Gracias Linuxeros
Re: [OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Instalate sudo, cada vez que quieras ejecutar un: exec('sudo ls'); siempre un
sudo adelante.
Saludos!
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From: Alberto Benítez freestyl...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:31:45
To: Lista Debiandebian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Gracias por la info, esto es para ejecutar los comandos pero para hacerlo
como root? tengo que instalarrme sudo o algo parecido?
El 1 de noviembre de 2012 14:07, alexissauc...@gmail.com escribió:
**
Algo asi mira:
?
$comando = Exec('ls');
Echo $comando;
?
Busca info sobre exec() o system().
Saludos!
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*From: * Alberto Benítez freestyl...@gmail.com
*Date: *Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:46:53 +
*To: *Lista Debiandebian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
*Subject: *[OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Buenas
Antes que nada este es un OFF TOPIC no tiene a priori nada que ver con
debian.
¿Como podría ejecutar comandos que requieren root por ejemplo iptables
desde una web en php?
Saludos
El 1 de noviembre de 2012 14:07, alexissauc...@gmail.com escribió:
**
Algo asi mira:
?
$comando = Exec('ls');
Echo $comando;
?
Busca info sobre exec() o system().
Saludos!
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*From: * Alberto Benítez freestyl...@gmail.com
*Date: *Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:46:53 +
*To: *Lista Debiandebian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
*Subject: *[OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Buenas
Antes que nada este es un OFF TOPIC no tiene a priori nada que ver con
debian.
¿Como podría ejecutar comandos que requieren root por ejemplo iptables
desde una web en php?
Saludos
Re: [OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Gracias, es lo que he leído en todas las web que he mirado al parecer es la
manera más fácil y segura
El 2 de noviembre de 2012 14:46, alexissauc...@gmail.com escribió:
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Instalate sudo, cada vez que quieras ejecutar un: exec('sudo ls'); siempre
un sudo adelante.
Saludos!
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*From: * Alberto Benítez freestyl...@gmail.com
*Date: *Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:31:45 +
*To: *Lista Debiandebian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
*Subject: *Re: [OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Gracias por la info, esto es para ejecutar los comandos pero para hacerlo
como root? tengo que instalarrme sudo o algo parecido?
El 1 de noviembre de 2012 14:07, alexissauc...@gmail.com escribió:
**
Algo asi mira:
?
$comando = Exec('ls');
Echo $comando;
?
Busca info sobre exec() o system().
Saludos!
Enviado desde mi BlackBerry de Personal (http://www.personal.com.ar/)
--
*From: * Alberto Benítez freestyl...@gmail.com
*Date: *Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:46:53 +
*To: *Lista Debiandebian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
*Subject: *[OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Buenas
Antes que nada este es un OFF TOPIC no tiene a priori nada que ver con
debian.
¿Como podría ejecutar comandos que requieren root por ejemplo iptables
desde una web en php?
Saludos
El 1 de noviembre de 2012 14:07, alexissauc...@gmail.com escribió:
**
Algo asi mira:
?
$comando = Exec('ls');
Echo $comando;
?
Busca info sobre exec() o system().
Saludos!
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*From: * Alberto Benítez freestyl...@gmail.com
*Date: *Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:46:53 +
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*Subject: *[OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Buenas
Antes que nada este es un OFF TOPIC no tiene a priori nada que ver con
debian.
¿Como podría ejecutar comandos que requieren root por ejemplo iptables
desde una web en php?
Saludos
Re: Reboot and Select proper Boot Device
rantis cares escribió: Que tal lista: Tengo una computadora en mi trabajo que funciona en Debian. Por cuestiones de necesidad, esta maquina no tiene carcaza y esta montada sobre una tabla. La maquina no se ve, esta oculta, pero tiene un switch para encenderla y apagarla. Ese cable se desconecto, al conectarlo nuevamente directamente en la motherboard el sistema ya no funciona. lanzo un mensaje que no pude escribir era algo sbre getty (en el arranque y el runlevel, decia que tenia que esperar 5 minutos, se quedo pasmada un tiempo y se apago). Al arrancarla nuevamente me aparece el mensaje siguiente: Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot Media in selected bood device and press key. Me imagino que se desconfiguro GRU. Alguna idea y como podria resolverlo?. Gracias -- Al juntarme dia tras dia con los Listeros, mi capacidad intelectual crece en proporcion inversa a la ignorancia generada. Gracias Linuxeros Parece que se descoentó el bus de los discos. Fijate si ves una ficha de bus suelta. -- Sergio Bessopeanetto Buenos Aires, Argentina Skype: sergio.bess msn: sergieb...@hotmail.com Jabber: sergio.b...@jabber.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5093e9dc.8050...@myopera.com
Re: [OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Totalmente exitos con eso!
Un saludo.
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-Original Message-
From: Alberto Benítez freestyl...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 15:38:29
To: Lista Debiandebian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Gracias, es lo que he leído en todas las web que he mirado al parecer es la
manera más fácil y segura
El 2 de noviembre de 2012 14:46, alexissauc...@gmail.com escribió:
**
Instalate sudo, cada vez que quieras ejecutar un: exec('sudo ls'); siempre
un sudo adelante.
Saludos!
Enviado desde mi BlackBerry de Personal (http://www.personal.com.ar/)
--
*From: * Alberto Benítez freestyl...@gmail.com
*Date: *Fri, 2 Nov 2012 09:31:45 +
*To: *Lista Debiandebian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
*Subject: *Re: [OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Gracias por la info, esto es para ejecutar los comandos pero para hacerlo
como root? tengo que instalarrme sudo o algo parecido?
El 1 de noviembre de 2012 14:07, alexissauc...@gmail.com escribió:
**
Algo asi mira:
?
$comando = Exec('ls');
Echo $comando;
?
Busca info sobre exec() o system().
Saludos!
Enviado desde mi BlackBerry de Personal (http://www.personal.com.ar/)
--
*From: * Alberto Benítez freestyl...@gmail.com
*Date: *Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:46:53 +
*To: *Lista Debiandebian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
*Subject: *[OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Buenas
Antes que nada este es un OFF TOPIC no tiene a priori nada que ver con
debian.
¿Como podría ejecutar comandos que requieren root por ejemplo iptables
desde una web en php?
Saludos
El 1 de noviembre de 2012 14:07, alexissauc...@gmail.com escribió:
**
Algo asi mira:
?
$comando = Exec('ls');
Echo $comando;
?
Busca info sobre exec() o system().
Saludos!
Enviado desde mi BlackBerry de Personal (http://www.personal.com.ar/)
--
*From: * Alberto Benítez freestyl...@gmail.com
*Date: *Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:46:53 +
*To: *Lista Debiandebian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
*Subject: *[OT] Ejecutar programas desde php
Buenas
Antes que nada este es un OFF TOPIC no tiene a priori nada que ver con
debian.
¿Como podría ejecutar comandos que requieren root por ejemplo iptables
desde una web en php?
Saludos
Re: Reboot and Select proper Boot Device
Rantis Cares escribió: Sergio: Gracias, efectivamente, visualmente no estaba desconectado, pero si estaba flojo el cable sata. Gracias SOLCIONADO Descorchemos un champán! Me pasó exactamente eso cuando mandé reemplazar la fuente que había fenecido tras una baja tensión y me di cuenta que el técnico no había conectado el bus SATA. Me ahorró un calmante. Saludos. Sergio Bessopeanetto Buenos Aires, Argentina Skype: sergio.bess msn: sergieb...@hotmail.com Jabber: sergio.b...@jabber.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5094194e.9010...@myopera.com
Re: Crypt proc ps
2012/11/1 linuxknow linuxk...@gmail.com: Disculpen alguien sabe o ha visto algo relacionado a encriptar la salida de comandos de la consola por ejemplo: ps aux que liste pero todo encriptado, lo mismo con la salida para todo el resto, la idea es algo general, con que este en ps es un comienzo. escucho ideas.. Cual es la intención? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAABYcjNVO4WKcHK0cu�j+OjWg+=bt_6+tpwr0zxir86kg...@mail.gmail.com
Contrate Shows: Elvis Presley - Musical Homenagem!
Nobres Amigos, Para suas festas, congressos, feiras, reuniões, confraternizações, shows ou eventos, ofereça a seus convidados um lindo musical que está fazendo o maior sucesso em homenagem ao Rei do Rock, Rei do Gospel e Rei das Canções Românticas, onde as mais famosas e belas músicas de Elvis Presley são reinterpretadas por um dos mais talentosos cantores da atualidade. Entre uma música e outra, o protagonista conta as mais interessantes histórias e causos da vida de um dos maiores ídolos de todos os tempos. Show divertido, inteligente, de altíssimo nível. Arranca suspiros, risos e lágrimas da Plateia! Maiores informações pelo e-mail: i...@the-number-one.org - por favor, se possível forneça a data de seu evento, cidade, (onde se realizará: auditório, festa particular, festa de empresa, teatro, feira, estádio, etc.), número estimado de pessoas - também temos interesse em contato com produtores locais e jornalistas.
mrtg-snmpd
Merhaba Debian mrtg kurup hem web hemde gateway olarak kuallndigimdan dolayı onu izlemek istiyorum. Bunun icin sunlari yaptim. # apt-get install mrtg # mkdir -p /var/mrtg # apt-get install snmpd Yapmak istedigim grafik olarak su asagidaki sistemle alakli data almak ; * * *disk* *cpu* *ram* *network (oncelikli)* * * Bunun icin nasil bir yapilandirma yapmam gerekiyor. /etc/mrtg.cfg ve /etc/snmp/snmd.conf icinde... Tesekkürler.
Re: If btrfs is a way to save my SSD. Then what is for swap?
On 11/2/2012 12:05 AM, Magicloud Magiclouds wrote: SSD like samsung 840 (TLC) only has 1k write times. Swap directly on it would not be horrible? Your question I presume: Is SSD suitable for a swap partition? Answer: Yes, all SSDs are much faster than mechanical HDD for swap duty Reason: SSDs have no rotational latency -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50936ca0.7000...@hardwarefreak.com
Catastrophe on Bootup
I get as far as the USB ports. From there I can get into a root-shell where I must vgmknodes to get my lvm volumes mounted! Various other inits like USB capabilities, network (cannot find eth2 device!), etc., rc.local, are not executed. Problem in udev which I cannot execute manually: sudo /etc/init.d/udev [whatever...] Signal 11 (SEGV) caught by ps (procps-ng version 3.3.4). ps:display.c:59: please report this bug [warn] udev does not support containers, not started ... (warning). While I can get to my data, system is useless! What to do? Running Debian Sid, up-to-date.
Installed library files (mostly kernel modules) not belonging to any package in tiger audit report
Dear All, Today I got the following in my tiger security audit: # Checking installed files against packages... --WARN-- [lin001w] File `/lib/init/rw/.ramfs' does not belong to any package. --WARN-- [lin001w] File `/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/modules.softdep' does not belong to any package. --WARN-- [lin001w] File `/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/modules.symbols' does not belong to any package. --WARN-- [lin001w] File `/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/modules.dep' does not belong to any package. --WARN-- [lin001w] File `/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/modules.dep.bin' does not belong to any package. --WARN-- [lin001w] File `/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/modules.devname' does not belong to any package. --WARN-- [lin001w] File `/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/modules.alias.bin' does not belong to any package. --WARN-- [lin001w] File `/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/modules.alias' does not belong to any package. --WARN-- [lin001w] File `/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/modules.symbols.bin' does not belong to any package. I suspect all the missing kernel modules are caused by me recently installing: open-vm-modules-2.6.32-5-amd64 . But I installed that using apt, so tiger should recognize that they belong to a package. Looking in dpkg.log it should be one of the following packages: 2012-11-01 12:51:21 status installed gcc-4.3-base 4.3.5-4 2012-11-01 12:51:21 status installed cpp-4.3 4.3.5-4 2012-11-01 12:51:21 status installed gcc-4.3 4.3.5-4 2012-11-01 12:51:21 status installed linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common 2.6.32-46 2012-11-01 12:51:21 status installed linux-kbuild-2.6.32 2.6.32-1 2012-11-01 12:51:21 status installed linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 2.6.32-46 2012-11-01 12:51:52 status installed open-vm-modules-2.6.32-5-amd64 1:8.4.2-261024-1+2.6.32-46 Is this a bug in one of the packages not claiming ownership of one of the files it installes? If so how do I report this? Thanks Maarten
Re: Checking local mail with Icedove
On Friday 02,November,2012 11:18 AM, John L. Cunningham wrote: On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 04:36:13PM -0500, cr...@gtek.biz wrote: This may or may not be a dumb question, but I would like to install logcheck on my local machine, and then view the emails it generates using Icedove. I guess I need a POP or IMAP server running, so my question is, which server should I install to access the emails that will be put into a maildir format, and how is it configured to accept connections locally only? I don't think you need to bother with POP or IMAP. It appears Icedove has an account type called movemail that you can point to /var/spool/mail/user. Personally, I use good old /usr/bin/mail for this purpose. Hi, I just add an account via Edit -- Account settings -- Add other account -- Unix Mailspool (Movemail) But no mail shows up. There was nothing in /var/mail which is link to /var/spool/mail Here is what I did: /var/spool/mail# ln -sf /home/lina/Maildir/* . :/var/spool/mail# ls cur new new.sbd tmp.msf Trash.msfUnsent Messages.msf cur.msf new.msf tmp TrashUnsent Messages :/var/spool/mail/new# ls -1 | wc -l 47 There were 47 new emails, but $ mail No mail for lina and in icedove, there is still nothing. I don't know which parts is wrong here. In syslog it showed me: dove fetchmail[3541]: 22 messages (22 seen) for l...@gmail.com at pop.gmail.com (15228355 octets). Strangely where are those 22 messages, seems I really mess up something here. Thanks ahead for your suggestions, Best regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50937f74.4030...@gmail.com
Re: Checking local mail with Icedove
On 01/11/2012 22:36, cr...@gtek.biz wrote: This may or may not be a dumb question, but I would like to install logcheck on my local machine, and then view the emails it generates using Icedove. I guess I need a POP or IMAP server running, so my question is, which server should I install to access the emails that will be put into a maildir format, and how is it configured to accept connections locally only? Any advice? Thanks, Craig Sent - Gtek Web Mail Hi, as pointed by another poster you don't need anything else than a mua configured to store the system mail locally only (exim, postfix ... reconfigure with dpkg-reconfigure if necessary). IIRC the dpkg-reconfigure step alows you to choose maildir format too. Use the other type when creating the new Icedove account, then use movemail profile. It should work right away after exiting the account creation wizard. I use this setup when I don't want to bother with Mutt ;-). This is on Wheezy/Sid. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50938045.3050...@googlemail.com
Re: Works on .htaccess but not in sites-available
Hello, On 10/30/2012 10:02 PM, Jorge wrote: In /var/www/www.etxea.org/htdocs/.htaccess I've got the following content ... [..] RewriteCond $1 !^(index\.php|images|robots\.txt|user_guide) RewriteRule ^(.*)$ /index.php/$1 [L] [..] VirtualHost * RewriteCond $1 !^(index\.php|images|robots\.txt|user_guide) RewriteRule ^(.*)$ /index.php/$1 [L] Matches in VirtualHost context start with /, i.e. you have to use !^/(index\.php|images|robots\.txt|user_guide) See http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/mod_rewrite.html#rewriterule (the box What is matched?) Cheers Wolfgang -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50938336.3000...@karall-edv.at
Re: Catastrophe on Bootup
Hello all, On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 08:23:53AM +0200, David Baron wrote: [...] sudo /etc/init.d/udev [whatever...] Signal 11 (SEGV) caught by ps (procps-ng version 3.3.4). ps:display.c:59: please report this bug [warn] udev does not support containers, not started ... (warning). While I can get to my data, system is useless! What to do? Running Debian Sid, up-to-date. JFTR, this is dealt with in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=692063. Cheers, Flo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102090321.gc29...@fernst.no-ip.org
Re: Addition of the Workman keyboard layout
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 03:29:07PM -0400, David Norman wrote: What is the best way to go about proposing the addition of the Workman keyboard layout to continue in the tracks of Colemak? Raise a wishlist bug against console-data with a suitable patch attached. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: If btrfs is a way to save my SSD. Then what is for swap?
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 01:48:00AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 11/2/2012 12:05 AM, Magicloud Magiclouds wrote: SSD like samsung 840 (TLC) only has 1k write times. Swap directly on it would not be horrible? Your question I presume: Is SSD suitable for a swap partition? Answer: Yes, all SSDs are much faster than mechanical HDD for swap duty Reason: SSDs have no rotational latency I believe Magicloud's point was actually due to the limited number of writes available on an SSD. Cons: A swap partition doesn't support TRIM, so deleted pages will be deleted (written) immediately. However, I suspect swap doesn't actually delete data very often (just marks it as unneeded). Pros: Swap is mostly read, rather than written, so an SSD should benefit Alternative: Try a swap file on an ext4 partition. That will allow you to make use of the TRIM function via the ext4. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Trojan Detected by Kaspersky in One Debian DVD
A couple of weeks ago I downloaded to my Windows7 machine 10 DVD iso files for debian-6.0.6-amd64. I have not yet installed Debian on this machine. Last night Kaspersky anti-virus detected a Trojan in one of the files: debian-6.0.6-amd64-DVD-7.iso\pool\main\n\nepenthes\nepenthes_0.2.2-6_amd64.deb\data.tar\.\usr\share\doc\nepenthes\README.VFS The Trojan is called Trojan-Downloader.BAT.ftp.z Is this a real Trojan? If so, why would it be there? If not, what is it? Thanks, Alan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5093a0c6.8040...@comcast.net
Re: Trojan Detected by Kaspersky in One Debian DVD
Alan Feuerbacher: Last night Kaspersky anti-virus detected a Trojan in one of the files: Apparently you have missed the excellent answers you have already received on-list. If you want to be CC'ed, you should specifiy this in your e-mails (preferrably using appropriate headers). If you are not subscribed to the list or did not receive the replies for any other reason, you can use the archive: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2012/11/msg1.html J. -- When I am at nightclubs I enjoy looking at other people and assessing their imagined problems. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Does Debian dictionary/glossary/acronym list exist?
Kelly Clowers wrote: On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: I've been using computers since before Linus was born. I'm making the switch from a certain OS ;\ I'm also one of those strange people who actually reads docs. What do I do when I find terms such as initrd or udeb ? And before I get too much grief from youngsters - From personal experience do you have any clue of relevance of CORC, CUPL, WATFOR, WATFIV, 026, 12AX7, etc, etc ;/ ? I'm looking for a self sufficient reference. P.S. I'm also of era of S100, CPM, KIM, SYM, CBM etc etc etc ;) Try http://wiki.debian.org/Glossary That's what I was looking for. and http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/doc/acronyms.html That site also has some interesting pages. The Debian Maintenance HOWTO ( http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/doc/maint/ ) appears to rate a detailed read. And a general google may work for some things (depending on how overloaded it is), maybe with debian added to the search. Google is a last resort. Filtering wheat from chaff can be a pain. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5093b084.7030...@cloud85.net
Re: Advice on system purchase
Am Freitag, 2. November 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner: On 11/1/2012 11:42 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Montag, 29. Oktober 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner: For powerful laptops and power saving desktops I think Intel Sandybridge/Ivybridge is best bet currently - except for the political dimension. Sure, but 90% of users don't need powerful. All the cores sit idle most of the time, and a faster CPU doesn't make Thunderbird or Firefox, IE or Outlook express, go any faster. Nor any of the standard desktop apps. 90% of users would benefit more from a low wattage dual or even single core CPU, with an SSD instead of a rust drive. But it's hard to sell people on the truth after you've been lying to them about the benefits of 4-8 core CPUs for many years... Yeah, as you pointed out its about peak performance. No, it has nothing to do with peak performance. What I said was that, in a nut shell, a 2.5-3GHz dual core CPU from AMD or Intel is more powerful than what 99.99% of users need. Yet AMD/Intel are only selling 4/6/8 core desktop CPUs today. It's a waste of cores and a waste of money. Hmmm, then I misunderstood you. I do think that a bigger peak performance on *one* core can make a difference. If using a… Whether thats noticable? Well, one would have to test it. I think to see any difference during application load times tough you need to have a good SSD alongside. CPU performance has little to do with app load times, with most productivity apps anyway. Load time is dictated by disk latency. If the application's binary and libraries have been cached then CPU makes more difference, but it's a small difference. … SSD and lots of RAM… and that this is why… But I do believe that the kernel pings between 800 MHz and turbo mode not for nothing. I have no idea what point you're making here. ondemand scheduler tends to do it by give-me-everything-you-got or the- least-you-can-provide. As I experience the Linux kernel is using that turbo mode quite a lot. So something has to benefit from it. How noticable it is? I think it can be noticable with fast SSD and lots of RAM. Thus I do think that it potentially gives the following benefits: 1) faster execution / lower latency on peak loads 2) less power consumption due to longer sleep periods. And thus I say, that I better use a dual core CPU with higher peak performance for typical desktop workloads, than a quad core CPU with lower peak performance. A quad core CPU with as high peak performance might be in order if something compiles software a lot. And thats my case for using Intel CPUs at the moment. Given the additional thing that at least from my perception anything Post-Nehalem from Intel has really good power consumption to computing power ratio. Well already Pentium-M has been quite good, while Pentium 4 was a joke. That Intel i5 Sandybridge CPU on this ThinkPad T520 is really, really fast together with that Intel SSD 320 + 8 GiB of RAM. I had a machine with i7 Quadcore, but probably a bit slower SSD, for a week and subjectively I did not notice a difference. That said, in order to support the smaller company, an AMD CPU is an option as well. I do think the difference won´t be that big. But I think it needs to be one with a good power consumption versus processing power ratio. And I did not follow AMD´s recent development there, in order to really judge whether they have anything competitive in that field meanwhile. Back then when I looked they had not. So my question would be: What AMD CPU do you see as alternative to say: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2520M CPU @ 2.50GHz dual core CPU or say the Ivybridge equivalent in its desktop variant (as its a desktop machine being talked over here in this thread and no laptop). Which one could compete? Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211021316.02950.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: Advice on system purchase
Am Freitag, 2. November 2012 schrieb Martin Steigerwald: But I do believe that the kernel pings between 800 MHz and turbo mode not for nothing. I have no idea what point you're making here. ondemand scheduler tends to do it by give-me-everything-you-got or the- least-you-can-provide. As I experience the Linux kernel is using that turbo mode quite a lot. So something has to benefit from it. How noticable it is? I think it can be noticable with fast SSD and lots of RAM. Thus I do think that it potentially gives the following benefits: 1) faster execution / lower latency on peak loads 2) less power consumption due to longer sleep periods. And thus I say, that I better use a dual core CPU with higher peak performance for typical desktop workloads, than a quad core CPU with lower peak performance. A quad core CPU with as high peak performance might be in order if something compiles software a lot. peak performance per core that is obviously. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211021318.11451.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Problems with MG5320 solved
Hi: I have now solved the problems I had with Canon Pixma MG5320. The problem I had was because I was using the ipp protocol. Canon has its own protocol cnijnet which I think comes with the drivers from Canon Ireland; however I had problems with their driver MG5320.ppd, and I had to use the one that comes with cups (unstable). The precise device uri to use can be got by using sudo /usr/sbin/lpinfo -v, and selecting the one which goes with the cjinet. It goes something like cjinet:/88-87- etc, the number coming from the MAC address. Then I used sudo /usr/sbin/lpadmin -p MG5320 -m canonmg5300series.ppd -v cjinet:/88-87--etc and everything is OK now. Sebastian
Re: Advice on system purchase
Am Mittwoch, 31. Oktober 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2411546,00.asp Although to be fair, Stan was talking about desktops, and this is about servers. If it ever gets off the ground. The super high density application sever space within the sever market is small, specialized, and the requirement for x86 pervasive. If this weren't true we'd already see 8 socket 32-way 1U ARM servers on the market, and we don't. We don't see any ARM servers. I doubt AMD will sell many of the ARM based blades. At some point AMD will drop the ARM idea. Then, if they smarten up, they'll move the non-APU AthlonII x4 core to 32nm, bin sort and clock down some chips to 1.6-2GHz to get TDP down to 20-25 watts--not as low as Atom, but much more powerful. The rest they'll clock at 3.6-4.8GHz (plus turbo) and sell them as faster version of the current non-APU AII x4. Phoronix.com has a test running where a ARM multicore machine could not beat an Ivybridge machine by power consumption / processing power ratio. You just need too many ARM cores to at least theoretically reach a similar performance than the Ivybridge. And then this too many ARM cores consume more power than the Ivybridge. And then the application itself has to scale to this many cores, which is more likely to achieve with scalable server applications however. Whether ARM will reach desktop market or not, I leave this open. Then there is China with their MIPS based Longson CPUs. I do not think that x86 architecture as only option in desktop market is set in stone for forever. But granted I find it a pity that soo much variety of CPU platforms has gone already. I still have an m68k Amiga and a PowerPC based Amiga successor here¹. And heck this embedded PowerPC CPU doesn´t even have a passive cooling. Granted it has not anything near the power of modern x86 CPUs and the board prices are expensive to put it mildly, but the board has its elegance and there are a bit more performant variants available meanwhile. That said AmigaOS 4.1 does really fast on it, except when it comes to run complex / big computing intensive applications. And computing intensive starts a bit earlier here than on modern x86 based systems. [1] http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardwarepid=1 Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211021327.55607.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: Advice on system purchase
Am Mittwoch, 31. Oktober 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner: On 10/30/2012 7:19 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 29 oct 12, 21:06:36, Stan Hoeppner wrote: The second big reason is that neither Microsoft nor ISVs will profit from a non x86 CPU architecture entering the desktop space. Supporting ARM would simply cost them money. So there's no incentive to support ARM, thus it's dead before it gets started on the desktop. AFAIU Windows 8 will be available also for ARM. You're confusing a desktop ecosystem with an embedded ecosystem. Yes, Windows 8 will be preloaded on ARM based tablets, smartphones, etc. And there will be some ISV support for this ecosystem. But this is not a desktop ecosystem. The number of ISV applications will be tiny compared to current desktop ecosystems, and will be tablet/phone specific. You will NOT be able to purchase a retail Windows 8 DVD set and install it on an ARM based PC (if you can locate one), nor acquire third party full blown desktop apps for it. You're attempting to tie to distinct platforms/ecosystems together to make an argument for one of them with evidence from the other, and that simply doesn't fly. This sub-discussion in this thread is all about an ARM desktop machine. All of my comments relate to that, and that is what we're discussing. Well with ARM getting more performant the differences might blur. What is a tablet? What is a desktop? If there are already attempts to make regular computer displays touchable for example. Or tablets getting more and more powerful. Anyway, I don´t see much use in predicting the future. First I do not know enough for that. Second even if I thought I knew enough it might still be wrong. The world around me there is necessarily more complex than I, cause I am a part of it. How could I ever predict the behavior of something that is s much bigger than me? While surprises like someone building some Amiga based system in basically something like a garage may be less likely, I find arrogant for me to claim I am able to predict the future. I am not. And I think you are neither. Whatever knowledge you have. Even it is, as likely, way more than mine. This goes along the same line like people in nutritional area claiming they know what you should eat, cause they now nature. No one knows nature. No one really knows our biologically design. We are all just guessing. We all perceive the world, we perceive what we see. And what we see may not necessarily be what is really there. So as I have seen no stable weather forecast for more than a few days with the ones for the few days being wrong occasionally already I do not believe in any 10+ years forecasts in computer industry blindly. Whether it is ARM will not enter desktop market or there will not be a desktop anymore anyway. It does not matter to me. I do not follow trends. I do what I think is good, I buy what I want to buy. And in 5 years I look again and so on. And I will deal with whatever is there then. Predicting the future also has the potential to shape it that way. What you think has an effect. If many people think the economy will decline, it eventually will. Effect on moon phases on traders has been proven for example. Thus I do not put energy on any prediction of AMD´s fate. Support them, if you want. But then grant them the chance to survive as well. Cause supporting them on one hand and basically saying they will go bankrupt on the other seems quite schizophren to me. If you want them to survive, believe in it and support them. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211021344.12549.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: Partition Control During Debian Installation
On Fri 02 Nov 2012 at 12:05:16 +, Feuerbacher, Alan wrote: Several weeks ago I installed Debian on my older Intel-based 32-bit machine. In anticipation of this, I had installed a 1TB hard disk, which I expected to be able to install three distros on for experimenting. Debian was the first distro (it came on a CD in a Linux magazine) I tried to install. I expected that the installer would give me a choice about how much partition space to use out of the 1TB available, but I could not find any way in the installer to tell it not to use the full 1TB. I completed the installation and the whole 1TB is used up. At the partitioning stage you are offered a 'Manual' option. It does exactly what you want to do. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102125043.GB597@desktop
Re: Advice on system purchase
Am Dienstag, 30. Oktober 2012 schrieb lee: Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com writes: most of the time, and a faster CPU doesn't make Thunderbird or Firefox, IE or Outlook express, go any faster. Nor any of the standard desktop apps. Sure it does. 90% of users would benefit more from a low wattage dual or even single core CPU, with an SSD instead of a rust drive. SSDs are a waste of money unless you do have the workload to benefit from them. And if you have that, where do you store your data? I disagree. Putting an SSD in this laptop has been the single most effective way to improve all my desktop workloads like it was when I switched from floppy disk to harddisk. Its just insane. This machine is to frigging fast… If the CPU isn´t too slow for it and most current CPUs aren´t, a SSD will be highly beneficial for just about any workload that is using random I/O. And most workloads are. Thus I would go rather with some dual core i5 + SSD than with a quadcore i7 + harddisk. Save a few bucks on the CPU if you can afford a good SSD then. And where to store that data? On the SSD. That said if you just have a media center playing back music or video files the benefits of a SSD would likely only be faster hibernation/resume times. So granted, for workloads, that access big files sequentially an SSD does not make much sense. But in the desktop area thats mainly multimedia stuff IMHO. Anyway, in desktops and partly in laptops as well you can combine them. Put random I/O data like OS, applications, mails and other small files on SSD and have a harddisk for photos, music, videos and so on. Thus you get the best of both worlds. Hopefully soon BTRFS will be able to use SSD as cache with the new VFS hot data tracking feature and then you would not have to distribute data manually between SSD and harddisk anymore. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211021351.44011.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: Checking local mail with Icedove
I don't think you need to bother with POP or IMAP. It appears Icedove has an account type called movemail that you can point to /var/spool/mail/user. Personally, I use good old /usr/bin/mail for this purpose. John Bingo!, and thanks! I always have an xterm open, tailing the log time, and I use bsd-mailx for local mail. The reason I want to do this is I am concentrating on a lot of things at the moment and I've managed to miss a few log entries that I wanted to investigate further. So I figured the Icedove popup might catch my attention a bit better. BTW, for anyone else following this, the movemail account type is found by going to: Edit - Account Settings Then click on Account Actions and choose Add Other Account I had searched the Mozilla community site, but could not find anything even remotely similar to this. Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1351861045.4165...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: Partition Control During Debian Installation
On 2012-11-02 13:05, Feuerbacher, Alan wrote: Hi, Several weeks ago I installed Debian on my older Intel-based 32-bit machine. In anticipation of this, I had installed a 1TB hard disk, which I expected to be able to install three distros on for experimenting. Debian was the first distro (it came on a CD in a Linux magazine) I tried to install. I expected that the installer would give me a choice about how much partition space to use out of the 1TB available, but I could not find any way in the installer to tell it not to use the full 1TB. I completed the installation and the whole 1TB is used up. I'm quite new to installation Linux distros, and this list appears to be the place to get good help and information. Right? Thanks, Alan Go to www.debian.org and select Installation Manual from the menu. If you look at section 6.3.2 then you see a concise description of what you can do with your disk and partitioning. Hint: check out the manual option. HTH Grx HdV -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5093c33d.8070...@gmail.com
Re: If btrfs is a way to save my SSD. Then what is for swap?
Am Freitag, 2. November 2012 schrieb Darac Marjal: On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 01:48:00AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 11/2/2012 12:05 AM, Magicloud Magiclouds wrote: SSD like samsung 840 (TLC) only has 1k write times. Swap directly on it would not be horrible? Your question I presume: Is SSD suitable for a swap partition? Answer: Yes, all SSDs are much faster than mechanical HDD for swap duty Reason: SSDs have no rotational latency I believe Magicloud's point was actually due to the limited number of writes available on an SSD. Cons: A swap partition doesn't support TRIM, so deleted pages will be deleted (written) immediately. However, I suspect swap doesn't actually delete data very often (just marks it as unneeded). Pros: Swap is mostly read, rather than written, so an SSD should benefit Alternative: Try a swap file on an ext4 partition. That will allow you to make use of the TRIM function via the ext4. Not for the swap file itself which may not be fully used. Well you could remove swap file, then fstrim, then add it back again from time to time tough. Anyway, whenever data is overwritten a trim is not needed, cause the SSD knows that is can reclaim the old blocks. Thus it might be could to size the swap partition reasonably. That said, 1k write times? What is that figure. And Intel SSD 320 has something along the line of 20 GB or so per day for at least three years. Any good SSD should take writes in that amount. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211021359.22806.mar...@lichtvoll.de
package#dpkg-reconfigure
The package: #dpkg-reconfigure Question: does it actually exist. - At this page: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg there are instructions to call: #dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration at this page: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en that is geared towards 6.0 Squeeze 32 bit PC i386 i found no maintainer e mail address for this doc. 6.3.1.3 Choosing a keyboard the suggestion: you'll be able to select a keyboard layout from a wider range of choices (run dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration as root after you have completed the installation). #su dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration unknown id: dpkg-reconfigure - there is a man page for dpkg-reconfigure searching Debian Packages with the option: package contents with word: dpkkg-reconfigure does show some bread crumbs, no lunch after searching through the leads. http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=defaultsection=allarch=anysearchon=contentskeywords=dpkg-reconfigure --- Could some one please allow me to know , what . Thank you.
swap-partition
Hello, on my machine I have two HDDs with Windows, Debian and another Linux system. Because of the two Linux systems I have two swap partitions. As I want to remove the other Linux I want to get rid of one of the swap partitions. How can I find out which swap partition is used by Debian and by the other Linux, respectively? With 'df' I only see the file systems mounted e.g. / (root) and /home of Debian but not the swap partition. -- K.D.J. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5093c590.7040...@t-online.de
Re: swap-partition
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Klaus Jantzen k.d.jant...@t-online.de wrote: on my machine I have two HDDs with Windows, Debian and another Linux system. Because of the two Linux systems I have two swap partitions. As I want to remove the other Linux I want to get rid of one of the swap partitions. How can I find out which swap partition is used by Debian and by the other Linux, respectively? With 'df' I only see the file systems mounted e.g. / (root) and /home of Debian but not the swap partition. blkid and grep swap /etc/fstab -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sy_00Xj=8OUoC9QG51D48M_an=f9O4skWowL6=hgoo...@mail.gmail.com
Re: package#dpkg-reconfigure
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 06:05:59AM -0700, james gray wrote: The package: #dpkg-reconfigure Question: does it actually exist. No. The file dpkg-reconfigure is actually part of the debconf (or cdebconf) package. [cut] #su dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration unknown id: dpkg-reconfigure Check the manpage for su. Perhaps you meant sudo there instead? signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: package#dpkg-reconfigure
On 02/11/2012 14:05, james gray wrote: The package: #dpkg-reconfigure Question: does it actually exist. [cut] Could some one please allow me to know , what . Thank you. Hi, $ dpkg -S dpkg-reconfigure debconf-i18n: /usr/share/man/de/man8/dpkg-reconfigure.8.gz debconf-i18n: /usr/share/man/fr/man8/dpkg-reconfigure.8.gz debconf-i18n: /usr/share/man/ru/man8/dpkg-reconfigure.8.gz debconf: /usr/share/man/man8/dpkg-reconfigure.8.gz debconf-i18n: /usr/share/man/pt/man8/dpkg-reconfigure.8.gz debconf: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure bash-completion: /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/dpkg-reconfigure debconf-i18n: /usr/share/man/es/man8/dpkg-reconfigure.8.gz I guess /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure included in package debconf is what you are looking for. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5093c826.2060...@googlemail.com
Re: swap-partition
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 01:07:28PM +, Klaus Jantzen wrote: Hello, on my machine I have two HDDs with Windows, Debian and another Linux system. Because of the two Linux systems I have two swap partitions. As I want to remove the other Linux I want to get rid of one of the swap partitions. How can I find out which swap partition is used by Debian and by the other Linux, respectively? With 'df' I only see the file systems mounted e.g. / (root) and /home of Debian but not the swap partition. Actually, even with two different linux installations under dual-boot, you only need one swap partition: They can usually share :-) (unless you do suspend-to-disk). From within a running Linux system, you can see the active swap partitions/files using: # swapon -s or $ cat /proc/swaps Hope this helps -- Karl E. Jorgensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102131857.GD22806@hawking
Re: package#dpkg-reconfigure
Hi, Dňa Fri, 2 Nov 2012 06:05:59 -0700 james gray kmz...@gmail.com napísal: #su dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration try: #sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration or: #su #dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration or edit the /etc/default/keyboard file manually. regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: package#dpkg-reconfigure
On Fri 02 Nov 2012 at 06:05:59 -0700, james gray wrote: The package: #dpkg-reconfigure dpkg-reconfigure is not a package. Question: does it actually exist. Run the command dpkg -S dpkg-reconfigure to discover which package a file is in. [Snip] #su dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration unknown id: dpkg-reconfigure Type 'su'. Nothing else. Press ENTER. Give the root password. Then execute: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102132217.GC597@desktop
stainless steel cookware supply
does any one person or people know how to contact google with hacker spam from the Orient. i do receive e mail with subject of: stainless steel cookware supply with oriental chars on right hand side. i did look in google groups, but then, open another account for just one simple question or inquiry. i am not doing any thing to the e mail from the orient, i have seen code in past self education tours and how a shell activates on contact. it is here in the debian mail lists, waiting like a mine, for someone that thinks like a cow or bafoon to come waltzing by.
Re: Checking local mail with Icedove
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 04:08:20PM +0800, lina wrote: Hi, I just add an account via Edit -- Account settings -- Add other account -- Unix Mailspool (Movemail) But no mail shows up. There was nothing in /var/mail which is link to /var/spool/mail That's perfectly logical. If there's no mail in the spool, it shouldn't show up. Here is what I did: /var/spool/mail# ln -sf /home/lina/Maildir/* . :/var/spool/mail# ls cur new new.sbd tmp.msf Trash.msfUnsent Messages.msf cur.msf new.msf tmp TrashUnsent Messages :/var/spool/mail/new# ls -1 | wc -l 47 There were 47 new emails, but $ mail No mail for lina and in icedove, there is still nothing. I think Icedove is looking for an mbox file named lina in /var/spool/mail. You would have to reconfigure your MDA to deliver locally instead of to your Maildir directory in order for this to work.. -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102141945.gc3...@infotech.vrg.org
nouveau driver bugs (was: Advice on system purchase)
On 2012-10-30 12:53:24 -0400, Worrier Poet wrote: The guys developing free drivers for the Nvidia graphics cards seem to have a lot harder job to do, but they also seem to be up to the task. It's coming along slowly, but the nouveau drivers are most certainly working well enough for me. I also think that getting rid of the nv drivers (useful as they were for a while) was the best thing to do. The nouveau driver is a bit buggy, one of the most annoying bugs for me: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640464 And I wonder whether http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=689514 is related. Both problems are 100% reproducible on my two machines (both having a Nvidia card and the nouveau driver from Debian/unstable). Unfortunately it is not possible to try the nv driver on a recent system. -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net - Web: http://www.vinc17.net/ 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: http://www.vinc17.net/blog/ Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102144232.ga15...@xvii.vinc17.org
Re: Checking local mail with Icedove
On Friday, November 2, 2012 07:57, cr...@gtek.biz said: I don't think you need to bother with POP or IMAP. It appears Icedove has an account type called movemail that you can point to /var/spool/mail/user. Personally, I use good old /usr/bin/mail for this purpose. John Well, it is almost what I want, but the check for new mail on start up and the check for new mail every X minutes do not seem to work. I can only get mail if I manually check for new mail. I'm unable to find a solution for those issues, but I can find others asking about the same thing. I would assume that Icedove does a pull of the mail spool, so it should be possible to do it on a schedule or at start up, shouldn't it? Sent - Gtek Web Mail -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1351868036.0719...@webmail.gtek.biz
Re: Checking local mail with Icedove
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 09:53:56AM -0500, cr...@gtek.biz wrote: Well, it is almost what I want, but the check for new mail on start up and the check for new mail every X minutes do not seem to work. I can only get mail if If all you want is the pop-up to grab your attention, maybe a notifier along the lines of xbiff would work? -- John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102164321.gh3...@infotech.vrg.org
Network hardware.
Can anyone recommend a forum or mailing list for discussion of network hardware? A search in Google Groups yields advertising. Not within the scope of debian-user but with many knowledgeable readers I'm taking the liberty of asking here. We have a Linksys WRT54G in a community hall and want to extend the range. Candidate devices are the Linksys RE1000 and the PLWK400. The PLWK400 is just a PLE400 and PLW400 together. 1. Which if any of these things uses the 110 V wiring as an antenna? 2. Does the PLW400 communicate directly with a router or through the PLE400? 3. For simply extending the range of a wireless router, does the PLWK400 have any advantage over the RE1000? All the documentation pages I've found are superficial and unhelpful. Thanks,... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 Bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca http://carnot.yi.org/ http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/index.html#Itinerary -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/171057698.43225.27479@cantor.invalid
Re: nouveau driver bugs
On 11/02/2012 10:42 AM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-10-30 12:53:24 -0400, Worrier Poet wrote: The guys developing free drivers for the Nvidia graphics cards seem to have a lot harder job to do, but they also seem to be up to the task. It's coming along slowly, but the nouveau drivers are most certainly working well enough for me. I also think that getting rid of the nv drivers (useful as they were for a while) was the best thing to do. The nouveau driver is a bit buggy, one of the most annoying bugs for me: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640464 And I wonder whether http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=689514 is related. Both problems are 100% reproducible on my two machines (both having a Nvidia card and the nouveau driver from Debian/unstable). Unfortunately it is not possible to try the nv driver on a recent system. Interesting. I haven't seen any of the described behaviors, though our two Nvidia systems are used almost exclusively by my wife these days. I'll ask her, or maybe experiment with her systems this weekend. We use Xfce 4.8 and its standard WM for that DE (xfwm4). One of the Nvidia cards is an old gaming card, and the other is a high end CAD card (Quadro somethin-or-other). Both of those cards gave us fits using the proprietary drivers under Ubuntu and Gnome a couple of years ago. Weird things kept happening to various parts of Gnome. Since switching to nouveau / Xfce / Debian we've seen no such problems. But I'll try following the instructions in the bug report for reproducing the glitches if I get a chance this weekend, just for my own edification. These days, I try to stick with integrated Intel graphics for my own boxes. And, yeah, I did fall back on the nv driver earlier on when nouveau was still pretty iffy. The nv driver was still better for us than the proprietary drivers, but I guess it turned out to be pretty proprietary in its own way and had to go bye-bye from Debian. I think it was probably the right way for the distro to go -- even if it did cause a lot of us some pain in the transition. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50940eee.20...@comcast.net
Problem with system update or something
Hello. I am running (or, now, kind of running) Debian 6.0.x AMD64 version. I have done a system update in the last day or so, and, possibly because of that, the system has become mostly unusable. Upon shutting down konqueror, all of the saved bookmarks were deleted. With rebooting, rebooting has been consuming about 200MB of disk space on each reboot, leaving me now with somewhere around 2-6MB of free disk space (it changes on each reboot), and, for some strange reason, trying to run a web browser (not saving anything to disk, just trying to run a web browser) writes stuff to the disk, or, otherwise uses up free disk space, so that it runs out of free disk space and crashes the system. Now, with an AMD64 system, with 8GB of RAM, and tens of GB of disk capacity (in the home partition), all that it is usable for, is running alpine. What is happening, that Debian, after the update, is wrecking the system? It is as if Debian 6 has assumed the nature of the experimental version of Debian - tending to break the system. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1211030351320.2...@bret-dd-workstation.busby.net
Re: nouveau driver bugs
On 2012-11-02 19:20 +0100, Worrier Poet wrote: On 11/02/2012 10:42 AM, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2012-10-30 12:53:24 -0400, Worrier Poet wrote: The guys developing free drivers for the Nvidia graphics cards seem to have a lot harder job to do, but they also seem to be up to the task. It's coming along slowly, but the nouveau drivers are most certainly working well enough for me. I also think that getting rid of the nv drivers (useful as they were for a while) was the best thing to do. The nouveau driver is a bit buggy, one of the most annoying bugs for me: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640464 And I wonder whether http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=689514 is related. Both problems are 100% reproducible on my two machines (both having a Nvidia card and the nouveau driver from Debian/unstable). Unfortunately it is not possible to try the nv driver on a recent system. Interesting. I haven't seen any of the described behaviors, though our two Nvidia systems are used almost exclusively by my wife these days. I'll ask her, or maybe experiment with her systems this weekend. Virtually all nouveau bugs are hardware dependent; with my NV86 I cannot reproduce Vincent's bug or any other in the BTS. OTOH, some time ago I ran into a problem where suspending was broken in Linux 3.5, and that bug was specific to _my_ card (it was fixed in 3.6 and 3.5.5). We use Xfce 4.8 and its standard WM for that DE (xfwm4). One of the Nvidia cards is an old gaming card, and the other is a high end CAD card (Quadro somethin-or-other). Both of those cards gave us fits using the proprietary drivers under Ubuntu and Gnome a couple of years ago. Weird things kept happening to various parts of Gnome. Since switching to nouveau / Xfce / Debian we've seen no such problems. But I'll try following the instructions in the bug report for reproducing the glitches if I get a chance this weekend, just for my own edification. If you can reproduce them, don't hesitate to follow up. If not, and your hardware is different from Vincent's, do not bother. These days, I try to stick with integrated Intel graphics for my own boxes. That would be my choice on new systems as well. And, yeah, I did fall back on the nv driver earlier on when nouveau was still pretty iffy. The nv driver was still better for us than the proprietary drivers, but I guess it turned out to be pretty proprietary in its own way and had to go bye-bye from Debian. I think it was probably the right way for the distro to go -- even if it did cause a lot of us some pain in the transition. One could argue whether it was the right choice to make nouveau the default driver in squeeze, but other distributions had already made the same decision, e.g. Ubuntu 10.04. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87a9uz9276@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Network hardware.
Can anyone recommend a forum or mailing list for discussion of network hardware? A search in Google Groups yields advertising. Not within the scope of debian-user but with many knowledgeable readers I'm taking the liberty of asking here. We have a Linksys WRT54G in a community hall and want to extend the range. Candidate devices are the Linksys RE1000 and the PLWK400. The PLWK400 is just a PLE400 and PLW400 together. 1. Which if any of these things uses the 110 V wiring as an antenna? 2. Does the PLW400 communicate directly with a router or through the PLE400? 3. For simply extending the range of a wireless router, does the PLWK400 have any advantage over the RE1000? All the documentation pages I've found are superficial and unhelpful. Thanks,... Peter E. Have you seen those artifacts? http://www.ubnt.com/unifi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/0ab296cfb91f3f379012a5c0d88cd665.squir...@mail.vcn.bc.ca
Re (2): Network hardware.
From: lati...@vcn.bc.ca Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 13:30:57 -0700 Have you seen those artifacts? http://www.ubnt.com/unifi No. Can they help? How? Thanks, ... Peter E. -- 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 12 Tel +13606390202 Bcc: peasthope at shaw.ca http://carnot.yi.org/ http://members.shaw.ca/peasthope/index.html#Itinerary -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/171057698.59169.27484@cantor.invalid
Re: Network hardware.
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: We have a Linksys WRT54G in a community hall and want to extend the range. Candidate devices are the Linksys RE1000 and the PLWK400. The PLWK400 is just a PLE400 and PLW400 together. 1. Which if any of these things uses the 110 V wiring as an antenna? PLE400, PLW400. The power wiring is not used as an antenna, it is used to directly transmit signals. The wiring does leak eletromagnetic noise because of the powerline transmission, but this is not an useful function, it is an undesireable side effect. Do note that you need to connect the PLE400 and PLW400 to the *same electrical circuit* (i.e. below the same circuit breaker), and that it will not always work well when you have other electrical noise sources around. 2. Does the PLW400 communicate directly with a router or through the PLE400? Yes. http://homekb.cisco.com/Cisco2/ukp.aspx?vw=1docid=8d90197164e74fc6a784923edb26df6d_Setting_up_a_wireless_network_with_the_PLWK400.xml 3. For simply extending the range of a wireless router, does the PLWK400 have any advantage over the RE1000? Probably yes. The information on the PLW400 is not clear enough, but it really should be acting as a standalone AP, and therefore it is supposed to be far better than the bridging the RE1000 does (especially with a 802.11g device like the WRT54G). However, please be advised that it would be better to use CAT5e ethernet wiring and several access points directly connected to a central router, instead. Powerline transmission is much worse a source of eletromagnetic noise than fast ethernet over CAT5e cabling (especially if you use CAT5e STP cabling), and it is much more succeptible to outside interference as well (when compared to properly installed CAT5e STP cabling). -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121102220726.ga4...@khazad-dum.debian.net
connect to two APs
i asked this on a fairly regional linux user group list about a week ago and didn't get any hardware recommendations. i figured i'd ask here for a wider net. here is the thread i started last week: http://calypso.tux.org/pipermail/novalug/2012-October/033546.html what i want is a usb wifi card that can connect to multiple accesspoints at the same time. i've been told this would be slow - i only need this to do ~100kbps (12.5k - i'm guessing 84k voip + vpn overhead) for voip traffic inside a vpn tunnel (anything else is bonus). after some googling (actually, google was useless and it was mainly duckduckgo) i found that the madwifi driver supported up to 4 virtual interfaces to be used as access points. then i found documentation that said it was now integrated into the kernel and supported by the ath5k and ath9k drivers. i was never able to find someone that had used one card to connect to more than one access point though. so, is this the technology i'm looking for if i want to connect to multiple access points at once? is this only supported by the two atheros chipsets or are there other cards that support this? any recommendations on a usb card for the job? everything else being equal, the smaller the better. if i can't find a card that can connect to two networks, i'm thinking of getting an unpowered usb hub (probably this: Targus ACH74US Ultra Mini USB 2.0 4-Port Hub) and then get two Edimax EW-7811Un. if i have to go this route, any idea if i can run two wireless cards off of an unpowered usb hub? how badly will two wireless cards right by each other interfere with each other? i'm guessing a cm of separation should be enough? should the cards be 90* to each other or would 180* work as well (i don't know how directional and which way antennas in those usb cards are) ? note: i'm aware there is a voip protocol for hopping between networks called vcc. this needs to be enabled on the infrastructure and i want to jump across networks that i won't own and maintain a call. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAH_OBidBT7cg1tMd7JYO44j1utii+H2J7=1yvvrvequwo75...@mail.gmail.com
Wheezy suspend fail after todays upgrade
Good night friends, after todays (02/11/2012) upgrade, my Wheezy begin to fail on waking from suspend mode, anyone experienced that too? This is an very old bug on Wheezy that was not affecting me before today. Here is the list of upgraded packages: libapt-pkg4.12 apt libapt-inst1.5 apt-utils ghostscript libgs9 libgs9-common -- Gean Michel Ceretta - geancere...@linuxmail.org - geancere...@gmail.com - +55 046 9111 8829
Apace Redirect Question
Good evening folks,
I am trying to teach myself Apache and have run into what seems to be a real
simple problem for which I can not find a solution.
I have two virtual hosts with files in /var/www/htdocs/domain1.com and
/var/www/htdocs/domain2.com. I have a fairly simple configuration file for the
default site that points any requests for my IP address, for http://domain1.com
or for http://domain2.com to a 404 document. The virtual hosts have ServerNames
defined as www.domain1.com and www.domain2.com, and requests to either
http://www.domain1.com or http://www.domain2.com are served the correct pages,
var/www/htdocs/domain1.com/index.html or /var/www/htdocs/domain2.com/index.html.
What I want to do is, if the reqest is for my IP address, or if it is for
http://domain2.com I want the server to continue to serve the ErrorDoc. But I
want to take anything that comes in for http://domain1.com and redirect it to
http://www.domain1.com, with the URL changing in the user's navigation bar (if
that is the correct term). How would I go about accomplishing this goal?
Relevant files (BTW, I am playing on a series of virtual boxes right now):
Myapache2.conf is the stock file from the apache2-mpm-prefork package
installation, with the addition of the following line:
DefaultType text/plain
/etc/apache2/ports.conf:
NameVirtualHost *:80
Listen 192.168.26.10:80
/etc/apache2/sites-available/default:
VirtualHost *:80
ServerAdmin webmas...@domain1.com
ServerName default
DocumentRoot /var/www
ErrorDocument 404 /error404.html
Directory /
Options FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride None
/Directory
Directory /var/www/
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
AllowOverride None
Order allow,deny
allow fromall
/Directory
# Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit,
# alert, emerg.
LogLevel warn
ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log
CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/access.log combined
/VirtualHost
/etc/apache2/sites-available/domain1:
VirtualHost *:80
ServerAdmin webmas...@domain1.com
ServerName www.domain1.com
DocumentRoot /var/www/htdocs/domain1.com
Directory /
Options FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride None
/Directory
# Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit,
# alert, emerg.
LogLevel warn
ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/domain1.com/error.log
CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/domain1.com/access.log combined
/VirtualHost
/etc/apache2/sites-available/domain2 is identical, other than domain2 being
used where domain1 is.
/var/www contains the simple error404.html, and /var/www/htdocs/domain1.com and
/var/www/htdocs/domain2.com each contain a simple index.html, which is just the
usual Apache It Works file with It replaced by the appropriate domain name.
Thanks,
Craig
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Re: compiling a Debian package
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: It is much the best solution to the problem you keep expounding. It is not a solution at all. You clearly dislike Debian intensely, so it is daft to keep using it. I don't dislike Debian, I only dislike that the developers broke it. Windows would give you everything you say you want: up to date hardware support and proprietary drivers. And no FLOSS dead ends. No, I don't want non-free software. It's only something that's there and which is required because unfortunately, there is no alternative. Debian has decided to go back to its roots. No, it hasn't, it has turned away from them. Debian is what it is. Most of us like it, which is why we use it. If you don't like it, don't use it. Well, it's a pity to see a distribution which has been great for such a long time go down like that. And it's not easy to find a replacement, so it'll take some time. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vcdnr4yg@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:09 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Besides, I was told in an answer to a bug report that 32bit support will not be available in the next release, Yeah, right. I'll believe that when I see a formal announcement of it on the front page of debian.org and on debian-announce. It doesn't matter what you believe. Just try to get applications that used to work fine to work again, and you'll see. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4obr4wd@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com writes: po'd. Thankfully, I did manage to get the driver for the old nvidia card installed with the sgfxi script but had to blacklist nouveau to get it to work. Just use either the drivers from their website or the Debian version of those. Won't that work? -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ip9nr46j@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de writes: lee: Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk writes: Nothing (that I'm aware of) in Debian bans you from using non-free software. There is only the understanding that support for non-free software is the responsibility of that software's provider. You already can't use it anymore when it's 32bit software. As a general statement this is simply not true. Sure is; if it wasn't true, the applications that used to work would still work. They haven't changed. NVIDIA continues to provide excellent non-free drivers since 15 years or so. You are of course entitled to your own opinion. But you should be aware that most people in the Free Softare world (and probably most people running some Linux distro) oppose that claim. It's my experience, and I don't really care what opinions other people have about this. Such opinions don't change the fact that NVIDIA cards have always been working great for me with the drivers provided by NVIDIA. If you know an alternative that gives me at least the same performance, reliability and trouble-free operation for the same money which exclusively uses free software, then let me know what it is. I'd be happy to see such an alternative. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mwyzr4dy@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Advice on system purchase
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes: SSDs are a waste of money unless you do have the workload to benefit from them. And if you have that, where do you store your data? I disagree. Putting an SSD in this laptop has been the single most effective way to improve all my desktop workloads like it was when I switched from floppy disk to harddisk. Its just insane. This machine is to frigging fast… Hm what applications or what kind of workload exactly are you talking about? If the CPU isn´t too slow for it and most current CPUs aren´t, a SSD will be highly beneficial for just about any workload that is using random I/O. And most workloads are. Like? When you edit a text in an editor or a WYSIWYG word processor or when you work on a spreadsheet, you are not creating a lot of disk I/O. When you compress or uncompress a tar archive, you are CPU limited. When you use a web browser, you are limited by the bandwidth of your network connection and by CPU --- not to mention your graphics card. When you play a game, you are limited by graphics card and CPU and perhaps by memory bandwidth. When you do photo editing in gimp, you're limited by CPU and perhaps memory bandwidth and your graphics card, and you my be limited by having to swap. Loading the editor or word processor or spreadsheet, tar and bzip2, the web browser and the game will probably be faster unless they are already in the disk cache. Swapping will probably be faster as well. I just tried with a stop watch: It takes 3 seconds to start libreoffice, and I have slow disks. What does it matter if it takes only 1.5 or 2 seconds when you have an SSD instead? Thus I would go rather with some dual core i5 + SSD than with a quadcore i7 + harddisk. Save a few bucks on the CPU if you can afford a good SSD then. I'd rather go with the quadcore. And where to store that data? On the SSD. How much does it cost to make a 4TB RAID-5 and a 500GB RAID-1 with SSDs, plus having the capacity for backups? What would be the advantage? And I'm going to need some more disk space when trying out other distributions and maybe even windoze in the process of getting rid of Debian. That said if you just have a media center playing back music or video files the benefits of a SSD would likely only be faster hibernation/resume times. Sleep and hibernation don't work, I tried that. I'd really like to have that working, though. Perhaps it does with windoze. If you're stuck with a laptop and don't need to store data on it, I can see how you prefer SSDs. So granted, for workloads, that access big files sequentially an SSD does not make much sense. But in the desktop area thats mainly multimedia stuff IMHO. Yes, I guess if you run things like squid with a big cache on a RAID built from like 16 SSDs serving a large number of users, you might benefit from using the SSDs instead of fast SAS disks. It might even be cheaper to use the SSDs. If you do that, you might run into CPU limits or other limits, though. Anyway, in desktops and partly in laptops as well you can combine them. Put random I/O data like OS, applications, mails and other small files on SSD and have a harddisk for photos, music, videos and so on. Thus you get the best of both worlds. For the money I'd have to pay for the SSDs, I'm better off buying 2TB or 3TB hard drives and just attach them to the RAID. I don't store data on a single disk anymore since a long time because I've seen too many disks failing, so keep in mind that when you talk about a disk, it is always at least two of them. When my system disks fail, I'll go look on ebay and try to get something like two or three ~320GB disks for about EUR 25 each, or whatever is available in reasonable size and price. SSDs can't compete with that, other than being --- for every day usage insignificantly --- faster. Hopefully soon BTRFS will be able to use SSD as cache with the new VFS hot data tracking feature and then you would not have to distribute data manually between SSD and harddisk anymore. I think my RAID controller can do something like that maybe. Since SSDs wear out the faster the more you write to them, I'm not so sure what the real benefit of such a setup is unless you don't care about the money --- or have a workload for which it does matter. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87zk2zr618@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: Catastrophe on Bootup
On 11/1/2012 1:23 AM, David Baron wrote: I get as far as the USB ports. From there I can get into a root-shell where I must vgmknodes to get my lvm volumes mounted! Various other inits like USB capabilities, network (cannot find eth2 device!), etc., rc.local, are not executed. Problem in udev which I cannot execute manually: sudo /etc/init.d/udev [whatever...] Signal 11 (SEGV) caught by ps (procps-ng version 3.3.4). ps:display.c:59: please report this bug [warn] udev does not support containers, not started ... (warning). While I can get to my data, system is useless! What to do? Running Debian Sid, up-to-date. From: http://www.debian.org/releases/sid/ sid is subject to massive changes and in-place library updates. This can result in a very unstable system... Use it at your own risk! SID is a developers release. It exists so devs can find and fix bugs before code goes into TESTING. It is NOT meant for daily use, and not expected to be usable in a production environment. It is expected that anyone running SID is able to fix pretty much anything that breaks, submitting patches back to UNSTABLE. David, you've been around the block a few times, and you're not a developer. You should know better than to run SID and ask here for help when the system blows up. If TESTING/Backports doesn't get you close enough to the bleeding edge, then perhaps you should choose another distro. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50947637.5040...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Advice on system purchase
I hate waiting for my computer to do things. Swapping and paging at all? Add more RAM. CPU-starved while running multiple processes? Add more CPUs. By and large, for most desktop purchases, the most economical and reliable system will have a Gigabyte 790 or 970 mboard (I've never had a Gigabyte mboard fail), a quad-core AMD PhenomII-965 CPU, the fastest RAM one can reasonably afford (likely 1333 or 1666), enough RAM so that swap is rarely used, and SATA 3GB/s or 6GB/s IFs with one or more single-platter drives (certain Hitachi 7Kx000 drives are good). All the data and programs one normally works with should fit in RAM with room to spare. Clamav and squid each want about 500MB RAM (program and disk cache) to work efficiently. Gnome and KDE have become memory hogs. After using KDE for about 10 years, I've switched to XFCE; it's a lot faster and I don't need the UI wiping my butt and nose. With 8GiB 1066 RAM, I can build my firewall system from scratch (source packages predownloaded), keep all four CPUs pegged during compiles (GCC and Linux will keep them pegged for about 5 minutes each, and IO waits still remain around 0), and rarely see IO wait states greater than 0.1. Linux's disk caching really is that good. The whole thing built uses about 6GiB (both cached in RAM and stored on disk). The build takes about 100 minutes building either on iron or in a KVM session with write-back disk access. Using write- though caching raises IO wait states to (for me) unacceptable levels. I bought this system a few years ago and I'm *still* not sorry I did. There is one very good reason to always have at least a dual-core CPU: X11. It's a pig; it slows down single-core system (has done for at least 15 years; my old dual PII-266 was noticeably faster/smoother than my PIII-800). A second core allows X11 to run independently of other apps. Power-conscious? Use the on-demand cpu-freq governor and get idle CPUs down to the slowest frequency available (800MHz for the PhenomII-965). I don't know of a way to get it any better outside of actively controlling system voltages. Performance mode--all CPUs at max clock of 3.4GHz--uses 20-40W more power on my system. Turning CPUs off (disabling them via /proc) doesn't change power consumption. [I don't know why Intel and AMD don't use (the king of low power) Motorola's (Freescale's) trick of turning off the clock in the parts of the CPU that aren't being used at any given time.] This is what I've done and will continue to do. It works for me®. Your mileage may vary®. Consult a doctor if you experience any side effects®.
Re: Apace Redirect Question
Make these changes in sites-available files. That is what those files in
there are for.
I don't have the specific directive but I can put up one of my servers'
apache files for you.
Wolf Halton
http://sourcefreedom.com
Apache developer:
wolfhal...@apache.org
On Nov 2, 2012 9:02 PM, cr...@gtek.biz wrote:
Good evening folks,
I am trying to teach myself Apache and have run into what seems to be a
real
simple problem for which I can not find a solution.
I have two virtual hosts with files in /var/www/htdocs/domain1.com and
/var/www/htdocs/domain2.com. I have a fairly simple configuration file
for the
default site that points any requests for my IP address, for
http://domain1.com
or for http://domain2.com to a 404 document. The virtual hosts have
ServerNames
defined as www.domain1.com and www.domain2.com, and requests to either
http://www.domain1.com or http://www.domain2.com are served the correct
pages,
var/www/htdocs/domain1.com/index.html or /var/www/htdocs/
domain2.com/index.html.
What I want to do is, if the reqest is for my IP address, or if it is for
http://domain2.com I want the server to continue to serve the ErrorDoc.
But I
want to take anything that comes in for http://domain1.com and redirect
it to
http://www.domain1.com, with the URL changing in the user's navigation
bar (if
that is the correct term). How would I go about accomplishing this goal?
Relevant files (BTW, I am playing on a series of virtual boxes right now):
Myapache2.conf is the stock file from the apache2-mpm-prefork package
installation, with the addition of the following line:
DefaultType text/plain
/etc/apache2/ports.conf:
NameVirtualHost *:80
Listen 192.168.26.10:80
/etc/apache2/sites-available/default:
VirtualHost *:80
ServerAdmin webmas...@domain1.com
ServerName default
DocumentRoot /var/www
ErrorDocument 404 /error404.html
Directory /
Options FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride None
/Directory
Directory /var/www/
Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews
AllowOverride None
Order allow,deny
allow fromall
/Directory
# Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit,
# alert, emerg.
LogLevel warn
ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log
CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/access.log combined
/VirtualHost
/etc/apache2/sites-available/domain1:
VirtualHost *:80
ServerAdmin webmas...@domain1.com
ServerName www.domain1.com
DocumentRoot /var/www/htdocs/domain1.com
Directory /
Options FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride None
/Directory
# Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit,
# alert, emerg.
LogLevel warn
ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/domain1.com/error.log
CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/domain1.com/access.log combined
/VirtualHost
/etc/apache2/sites-available/domain2 is identical, other than domain2 being
used where domain1 is.
/var/www contains the simple error404.html, and /var/www/htdocs/
domain1.com and
/var/www/htdocs/domain2.com each contain a simple index.html, which is
just the
usual Apache It Works file with It replaced by the appropriate domain
name.
Thanks,
Craig
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Re: Advice on system purchase
On 11/2/2012 7:16 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: And thus I say, that I better use a dual core CPU with higher peak performance for typical desktop workloads, than a quad core CPU with lower peak performance. A quad core CPU with as high peak performance might be in order if something compiles software a lot. Average/normal users don't compile source code. They use a browser, maybe an MUA, an office suite, a PDF reader, a media player, etc. Pick an AMD or Intel system with a dual core CPU @ ~2.5GHz and ~3GHz. The extra ~500MHz will yield little noticeable difference in system responsiveness, app load times, media playback stutter, etc. Now, pick one of those frequencies or closest available in a quad core, 6 core, and 8 core. Run the same subjective tests of normal user desktop applications. The perceived performance will be slightly higher, but this will be due to the existence of large L3 caches, not core count, because most productivity apps are still mostly single threaded, simply because there's not much parallelism to be had in such work flows. Productivity apps are not CPU bound, and never have been. Now, if a 2.5GHz dual core CPU launches an app in 1 second, and a 3GHz 8 core CPU launches the app in 0.4 seconds, twice as fast, and both play media files with the same stutter (caused by packet loss not CPU horsepower) then what is the practical performance difference here for the average user? *There is none* The only real difference is cost and thermal output, with the big core CPUs losing in both categories. My entire point in this sub discussion is that AMD/Intel keep pushing more speed and more cores, while the vast majority of users need neither of these things. They both still have relatively low TDP dual core chips on the market, thankfully, but these aren't the chips we tend to see in many/most retail machines. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/509487ad.10...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Advice on system purchase
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:30:02 +0100 Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Now if they'd just smarten up I've pondered this sort of thing my whole adult life. I don't understand everything you're saying here but it sounds pretty straight forward for someone who does, like the 50 miles-to-the-gallon carburettor only that was just a myth, your description sounds actually plausible. I guess adding cores without adding anything else would be a way to get higher prices for the new and better, makes sense to me, that's pure Harvard Business School. We've come to the truth of it. I have opinions too. -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/afjffsft55...@mid.individual.net
Re: compiling a Debian package
--- On Fri, 11/2/12, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: From: lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de Subject: Re: compiling a Debian package To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 6:11 PM Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com writes: po'd. Thankfully, I did manage to get the driver for the old nvidia card installed with the sgfxi script but had to blacklist nouveau to get it to work. Just use either the drivers from their website or the Debian version of those. Won't that work? The Debian version of the driver wouldn't install. It advised me to use nouveau during the failed process. I had never used the sgfxi script before. It identifies the correct driver and downloads it from the nvidia site. Not without a few bumps but thankfully worked in the end. Card is a 4000 series which is on the edge of no longer being supported. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1351915256.48118.yahoomailclas...@web163403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com
Re: Problem with system update or something
On Sat, 3 Nov 2012, Bret Busby wrote: Hello. I am running (or, now, kind of running) Debian 6.0.x AMD64 version. I have done a system update in the last day or so, and, possibly because of that, the system has become mostly unusable. Upon shutting down konqueror, all of the saved bookmarks were deleted. With rebooting, rebooting has been consuming about 200MB of disk space on each reboot, leaving me now with somewhere around 2-6MB of free disk space (it changes on each reboot), and, for some strange reason, trying to run a web browser (not saving anything to disk, just trying to run a web browser) writes stuff to the disk, or, otherwise uses up free disk space, so that it runs out of free disk space and crashes the system. Now, with an AMD64 system, with 8GB of RAM, and tens of GB of disk capacity (in the home partition), all that it is usable for, is running alpine. What is happening, that Debian, after the update, is wrecking the system? It is as if Debian 6 has assumed the nature of the experimental version of Debian - tending to break the system. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 It has occurred to me, that this ivolves multiple problems or symptoms. 1. The operating system and/or the web browsers ignore the swap partition, and simply progressivley consume the RAM, until none is left free to be used, causing system crashes. No known reason is shown for this, and checks have been done, and all of the settings appear to be correct for causing swapping to occur; it simply does not occur, and the system progresively runs out of memory, until it crashes. 2. The web browsers (konqueror and opera) progressively consume available free disk space in the home partition, until that runs out, regardless of whether I am saving any files. The malware javascript is enabled in opera, because I need it for an online application, and it is disabled in konqueror and the other web browsers that I have used (but, that I have not used for some months now, such as iceape and iceweasel and epihphany, due to the overall system instability). 3. When I used the kill button Click on the application window to cause the application to quit, after rebooting, if that is done to opera and/or konqueror, hundreds of megabytes of disk space in the home directory, are freed. 4. When I last used that to kill opera, on reloading opera, it did not eith restart as the crashed session, or, offer an option to do that (software appears to be erratic in this and other things). 5. When I closed down konqueror, with an orderly closure, it deleted all of my bookmarks within it. 6. After having killed opera as described in 3 above, about 200MB of disk space in the /home partition, was freed, that showed as being free after rebooting the system. 7. However, after rebooting after 6 above, opera was behaving as if it was running in about 640kB of RAM - it was unresponsive, so, the system was rebooted, and the 200MB of free space in the home partrition, was consumed by the reboot. 8. I do not know how to cause space consumed by downloaded files, in a system update, to be automatically freed, by purging either the files downloaded in the system update, and or any files or other disk space consumed by the update process, or, the predecessors of the files downloaded in the sytem update. I assume (but am not sure) that they occupy space within the Downloads directory within the home partition. 9. Thus, the system (Debian 6.0.x AMD64 version) appears to have degenerated to the status of the Debian version that is named Sid, or, experimental - said to be unreliable, erratic, unstable, and, likely harmful. 9. This AMD64 system with 8GB of RAM and tens of GB in the home partition, is now giving me about the same performance as my XT clone (it has an NEC V22 processor) running DOS (I think it was last DR-DOS 5 or 6, but I am not sure)used to give; all that I can now run on this system, is alpine, and the download speed is about the same, even though, before this trouble, I could get download speeds of about 1MB per second, on this system .I would probably be using my XT clone, but it is kind of buried under other junk, and, the HDD (10MB with a stepper motor) ended up needing to be kickstarted every time that the system was booted. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992
Re: Advice on system purchase
On 11/2/2012 7:27 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: But granted I find it a pity that soo much variety of CPU platforms has gone already. Yes, a shame. A short list of some CPU archs that have been pushed out of the market or severely marginalized by x86, desktop/workstation/server/supercomputer: Motorola 680x0, DEC Alpha, SGI MIPS, HP PA-RISC, Motorola/IBM PowerPC, Sun SPARC, Cray Vector, Intel Itanium (irony here). Of these the one that bothered me the most was Cray being forced to discontinue their vector processor technology. This was due to x86 floating point performance increasing at a rate their custom vector CPU team could not match due to a lack of capital and manpower. With AMD/Intel x86, RD cost is spread over hundreds of millions of units. Cray vector RD was spread over less than 100,000 units, and their CPU RD budget was about 1,000th that of Intel. Economics folks, is one key reason why x86 has taken over the world, and why it will have a strangle hold over it for many years, if not decades, to come. x86 has always been inferior to other architectures for a host of technical reasons. But once Intel, primarily, reached critical mass over a decade ago, they were able to increase the performance of an inferior architecture much faster than competitors could do with superior architectures, due to the size of their wallet and owning their own fabs, allowing for substantial tuning of the production process. Alpha and MIPS in particular had vastly superior performance per transistor, die area, and in the case of MIPS per watt, but not per dollar. In 1996 the Alpha 21164A had 2x the integer and 3x the FP performance of the Pentium Pro, and ran at ~2.25x its clock speed--but cost $3000 to the $1000 of the PPRO. The MIPS R1 ran 10MHz slower than the PPRO, but had slightly higher integer and over 2x the FP performance of the PPRO. Its cost was higher than the PPRO but nothing approaching the $3K of the Alpha. The other key reason x86 rules the world is backward compatibility. Just about every x86 system today can boot MS-DOS 2.11. While this isn't necessary today it has provided a pretty seamless desktop software upgrade path since 1985. Anyone recall launching 16 bit DOS games such as Doom, Duke Nukem, and Shadow Warrior from within Windows 95, a mixed 32/16 bit OS? None of the RISC chips could offer such a transition, and MS Windows had already taken hold in the marketplace. Debian no longer supports Alpha or PA-RISC. It does still support MIPS, the last and most powerful system being the SGI Tezro with 4x 700MHz R16000 CPUs--a dual core Atom system with integrated graphics would give this box a run for its money, costs ~$200. The quad Tezro was over $20,000 USD. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5094affc.8080...@hardwarefreak.com
