date:20141030

El jue, 30-10-2014 a las 12:03 +, franiortiz hotmail escribió: 
 Aqui las que  uso de libreoffice y aunque en la pestaña de extensiones
 si tiene categorias de writer, calc, base,, en la pestaña de templates
 esas categorias cambia
 http://templates.libreoffice.org/template-center  Date: Thu, 30 Oct
 2014 08:26:02 -0300  From: sergio.b...@ymail.com  To:
 debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org  Subject: Re: Plantillas para
 libreoffice base   El 30/10/14 a las 07:40, Horacio escibió: 
 Buenas, estoy buscando plantillas de base de datos para 
 libreoffice-base, don google me da plantillas para las otras 
 aplicaciones, y para Acce$$ :(   Si alguien sabe donde las puedo
 descargar, muy agradecido de pasar el link,,   Saludos   
 Podés empezar por ver las plantillas de Openoffice que son
 compatibles.  Sé que Libreoffice también tiene pero ahora no las
 encuentro. Empezá por  la página de Libreoffice.  Google: Plantillas
 Libreoffice y ver qué pasa.  Acá las de Openoffice
 http://templates.openoffice.org/es   Saludos   --  Sergio
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Re: offtopic Re: Plantillas para libreoffice base

El jue, 30-10-2014 a las 14:01 +, franiortiz hotmail escribió: 
 graciass gonzalo
 todavia me hago un lio, en teoria lo he mandado como texto sin
 formato,
 pero se veia realmente mal, en hotmail desde dondeleo y respondo  , me
 permite elegir entre:
 
 -texto enriquecido  . el que probare la proxima vez
 -texto sin formato -este es el que acabo  de probar y
 se ve muy mal
 -html  este no es correcto para lista
 debian 
 
 cual podria ser correcto?
 
debería ser texto sin formato, pero hotmail metió de prepo el html.
hagas No tengo hotmail mas que para mandarme mails cada tanto y
comprobar si mi server está en lista negra, así que no podría decirte
como funciona.

pd: acordate de mandar las respuestas a la lista, y no a las casillas
personales
pd2: no olvides que el top-posting tampoco nos gusta ;-)


  Subject: offtopic Re: Plantillas para libreoffice base
  From: fishfromsa...@gmail.com
  To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
  Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:35:50 -0300
  
  El jue, 30-10-2014 a las 12:03 +, franiortiz hotmail escribió: 
   Aqui las que uso de libreoffice y aunque en la pestaña de
 extensiones
   si tiene categorias de writer, calc, base,, en la pestaña de
 templates
   esas categorias cambia
   http://templates.libreoffice.org/template-center  Date: Thu, 30
 Oct
   2014 08:26:02 -0300  From: sergio.b...@ymail.com  To:
   debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org  Subject: Re: Plantillas
 para
   libreoffice base   El 30/10/14 a las 07:40, Horacio escibió: 
   Buenas, estoy buscando plantillas de base de datos para 
   libreoffice-base, don google me da plantillas para las otras 
   aplicaciones, y para Acce$$ :(   Si alguien sabe donde las
 puedo
   descargar, muy agradecido de pasar el link,,   Saludos   
   Podés empezar por ver las plantillas de Openoffice que son
   compatibles.  Sé que Libreoffice también tiene pero ahora no las
   encuentro. Empezá por  la página de Libreoffice.  Google:
 Plantillas
   Libreoffice y ver qué pasa.  Acá las de Openoffice
   http://templates.openoffice.org/es   Saludos   --  Sergio
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  ya, en serio, llegó medio confuso formato del mensaje, aunque se
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Re: Ver estadísticas de tráfico apache por url

El Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:53:24 +0100, Maykel Franco Hernández Mo2o escribió:

(Grrr...)

 El 29/10/2014 19:37, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:

 El Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:22:36 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió:

  Buenas tardes, me preguntaba si existe alguna forma de monitorizar
  las visitas, el trafico y estadísticas ya no solo por vhost de
  apache, que se puede, sino por url ...

 Mejor si explicas eso de por url.
 
 Me refiero dependiendo si entras a http://www.example.com/test1.html o
 si entras a http://www.example.com/test2.html refleje las estadísticas,
 a parte del dominio.

No lo pillo. Todos los programas de análisis de logs (hasta el más 
básico) registrarán dos entradas/accesos que serán contabilizados: una a 
test1.html y otra a test2.html

  Conozco awstats y webalizer pero creo que para este caso se quedan
  cortos...

 Precisamente acabo de desactivar uno de esos servicios de análisis
 exhaustivos de un servidor, a mí me vale con el Analog, me encanta ese
 programita :-)
 
 Um el analog tiene para estadísticas por dirección url diferentes dentro
 del mismo dominio?

(...)

Es que no sé a qué te refieres con eso, pero tienes ejemplos de informes 
de los programitas más comunes:

http://www.webalizer.org/sample/index.html
http://www.nltechno.com/awstats/awstats.pl?config=destailleur.fr
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sret1/stats/

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Re: descargar repo de debian 7

El Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:14:20 -0400, luis escribió:

 Que tengo que hacer para que el repo completo de Debian 7 tanto 32 como
 64 se descargue a el un servidor, se actualice a diario o cada 1
 semana..

Pues lo que puede hacer es configurar la aplicación que uses para hacer 
la réplica para que se sincronice cada x tiempo.

 Es posible que no descargue testing..???

Sí, claro.

 Pues así todas las pc clientes se actualizarian de la red local y
 actualizao el repo siempre
 
 
 Alguna idea??
 
 Agradezco toda ayuda...

¿Ideas? Pues que elijas la aplicación que se encargará de sincronizar los 
repositorios y que leas su documentación para que sepas cómo configurar 
las opciones que buscas.

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Re: [OT] Re: OpenStack - Qué es???

El Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:43:09 +0100, juanlu escribió:

 On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:10:45 + (UTC), Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 wrote:

(...)

 La diferencia entre OpenStack y un sistema virtualizado es que en
 OpenStack la virtualización es opcional, es decir, trabaja sobre
 hierros,
 no hay una segunda capa de software ni emulación/virtualziación.
 
 Esto no me acaba de quedar claro. Sin ser experto, había entendido que
 OpenStack es una capa de servicios que te facilitan gestionar máquinas
 virtuales:
 
 (...)
 
 ¿Tienes alguna referencia? Yo creo que no sirve para eso. Por poner un
 ejemplo y a modo de comparativa, sería más parecido a hearbeat/
 pacemaker (servicio de monitorización de clústers en HA).
 
 Cosa distinta es que alguno de los nodos o equipos gestionados por
 OpenStack sean máquinas virtuales pero las VM se crean/gestionan
 aparte,
 
 con sus herramientas correspondientes (VMwares, KVMs, Xenes,
 contenedores, etc...).
 
 He estado mirando la web de Red Hat
 http://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/linux-platforms/openstack-platform
 no digo que no estés en lo correcto, pero viendo la arquitectura que
 describen (pools de almacenamiento, de computación, servicio de
 imágenes) todo suena mucho a nube virtualizada.

Es normal, ten en cuenta que Red Hat vende servicios y soporte por lo que 
lo que ellos ofrecen como producto empaquetado Red Hat Enterprise Linux 
OpenStack Platform no será más que un refrito de sus soluciones (Red Hat 
como sistema operativo, KVM como sistema de virtualización y OpenStack 
como nube).

 Mi experiencia con OpenStack (como usuario) ha sido usar los recursos de
 un pequeño cluster para lanzar máquinas virtuales basadas en unas
 imágenes KVM que habíamos predefinido previamente, así que puede que
 esté influenciado por mi experiencia personal con OpenStack ;-)

Precisamente, creo que una de las ventajas de OpenStack es que puede 
trabajar con máquinas reales y máquinas virtuales, pero el conjunto de 
herramientas que lo conforman es completamente agnóstico.

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Re: Plantillas para libreoffice base

El Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:40:20 -0300, Horacio escribió:

 Buenas, estoy buscando plantillas de base de datos para
 libreoffice-base, don google me da plantillas para las otras
 aplicaciones, y para Acce$$ :(
 
 Si alguien sabe donde las puedo descargar, muy agradecido de pasar el
 link,,
 
 Saludos

Pues no sé cómo habrás buscado pero a mí Google me devuelve lo que le 
pido :-P

https://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=engws_rd=ssl#complete=0hl=enq=libreoffice+base+templates

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Re: offtopic Re: Plantillas para libreoffice base

El Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:14:51 -0300, Gonzalo Rivero escribió:

 El jue, 30-10-2014 a las 14:01 +, franiortiz hotmail escribió: 
 graciass gonzalo
 todavia me hago un lio, en teoria lo he mandado como texto sin
 formato,
 pero se veia realmente mal, en hotmail desde dondeleo y respondo  , me
 permite elegir entre:
 
 -texto enriquecido  . el que probare la proxima vez
 -texto sin formato -este es el que acabo  de probar y
 se ve muy mal
 -html  este no es correcto para lista
 debian 
 
 cual podria ser correcto?
 
 debería ser texto sin formato, pero hotmail metió de prepo el html.

Pues sí, el correo salió como Content-Type: multipart/alternative

 hagas No tengo hotmail mas que para mandarme mails cada tanto y
 comprobar si mi server está en lista negra, así que no podría decirte
 como funciona.

(...)

Aquí está muy bien explicadito, y en español:

https://wiki.debian.org/es/DebianMailingLists#C.2BAPM-mo_enviar_mensajes_a_la_lista_usando_un_formato_de_texto_plano

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OT: Preguntas de novatos en la lista

2014-10-30 Thread Debian GMail


No es intención empezar un flame, ni mucho menos.
Simplemente quisiera que aquellos que son nuevos en el uso del sistema, 
entiendan que la lista está para ayudar, no para solucionar problemas.
Que es bien visto que los nuevos hagan un poco de esfuerzo cuando 
tengan una duda.
O sea, que se las rebusquen, y cuando ya no les da para más, recién 
pidan ayuda, y dejen entrever que hicieron todo lo posible de su parte.


Hoy mandé a alguien a leer el manual (RTFM), y algún comedido me dijo 
que para leer el manual hay que tener idea de lo que se busca.


Error.

Voy a contar mi experiencia personal.

En 2005 empecé con GNU/Linux, primero con Corel Linux, luego pasé a 
RedHat, y me decanté por Debian por algunas sugerencias de conocidos.

NO TENÍA INTERNET EN MI CASA.
Por lo que este conocido me facilitó COPIAR LOS 13 CDs de Debian 3.1 
sarge. (Creo que después, con las actualizaciones de seguridad, 
terminó 16 CD).

Instalé una versión en una partición de mi maquinita.
Desconocía qué era Synaptic.
Existía un gestor de paquetes que ya ni me acuerdo cómo se llamaba, por 
consola y muy engorroso.

Descubrí, y me las tuve que arreglar con la consola con aptitude.
Me tomé el trabajo, con aptitude, de leer la información de CADA 
PAQUETE, para saber para qué servía. (En el camino, aprendí que casi 
todo lo que empieza con lib, era una librería y dependía de otro paquete).
Si había algo que me llamara la atención, lo instalaba, lo probaba, 
decidía si me gustaba, y si no, lo eliminaba.

En pocas palabras, APRENDÍA mediante auto enseñanza.
Así fueron las macanas que hice, que ante el desconocimiento, me 
obligaron a reinstalar sarge dos o tres veces, tarea que me sirvió de 
mucho, porque pasé de instalación básica a instalación de experto.


Tal vez vengo de una generación en que las cosas se obtenían con 
esfuerzo propio.


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Re: OT: Preguntas de novatos en la lista

El Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:20:08 -0300, Debian GMail escribió:

 No es intención empezar un flame, ni mucho menos.
 Simplemente quisiera que aquellos que son nuevos en el uso del sistema, 
 entiendan que la lista está para ayudar, no para solucionar problemas.

Bueno, yo diría que la lista es para ayudar a resolver problemas ;-)

 Que es bien visto que los nuevos hagan un poco de esfuerzo cuando 
 tengan una duda.
 O sea, que se las rebusquen, y cuando ya no les da para más, recién 
 pidan ayuda, y dejen entrever que hicieron todo lo posible de su parte.
 
 Hoy mandé a alguien a leer el manual (RTFM), y algún comedido me dijo 
 que para leer el manual hay que tener idea de lo que se busca.
 
 Error.

(...)

Estoy de acuerdo: hay que leer y hay que buscar¹.

Qué menos que decir claramente lo que uno ha hecho y qué resultado ha 
obtenido (aunque sea de cero/nada/no comprendo) pero que al menos dé a 
entender que el interesado ha hecho algo y que tiene interés en 
resolver su problema/consulta/duda.

¹Sin olvidar el hecho de que algunos los usuarios cubanos tiene más 
trabas para esto.

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Re: OT: Preguntas de novatos en la lista

El jueves, 30 oct 2014 a las 16:20 horas (UTC+1),
Debian GMail escribió:

Hoy mandé a alguien a leer el manual (RTFM), y algún comedido me dijo 
que para leer el manual hay que tener idea de lo que se busca.

Error.

¿Por qué? ¿Debe emprender la búsqueda del conocimiento completo hasta
dar casualmente con la respuesta? Indicarle la dirección correcta no es
lo mismo que darle el trabajo hecho. Para saber que debo leer el manual
de sh debe quedarme claro que mi problema es de sh y no de awk, por
ejemplo.

Claro que puede que esté equivocado. En ese caso propongo sustituir
la lista por la siguiente respuesta automática:

Léete todos los putos manuales que puedas.

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Re: offtopic Re: Plantillas para libreoffice base

El jueves, 30 oct 2014 a las 15:45 horas (UTC+1),
Camaleón escribió:

 debería ser texto sin formato, pero hotmail metió de prepo el html.  

Pues sí, el correo salió como Content-Type: multipart/alternative

Duda: ¿Es incorrecto enviar multipart a la lista? Las aplicaciones de
correos que no soportan html deben leer correctamente ese tipo de
correo.

Por que lo que veo, Gonzalo respondió usando la parte text/html
cuando el correo también ofrecía text/plain.

Gonzalo, ¿respondiste usando la aplicación web de gmail?

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Re: offtopic Re: Plantillas para libreoffice base

El Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:21:38 +0100, Manolo Díaz escribió:

 El jueves, 30 oct 2014 a las 15:45 horas (UTC+1),
 Camaleón escribió:
 
 debería ser texto sin formato, pero hotmail metió de prepo el html.

Pues sí, el correo salió como Content-Type: multipart/alternative
 
 Duda: ¿Es incorrecto enviar multipart a la lista? Las aplicaciones de
 correos que no soportan html deben leer correctamente ese tipo de
 correo.

Cuando el cliente de correo sólo genera ese tipo sí, porque se omite la 
parte de texto plano que es la que pueden interpretar los lectores 
textuales.

 Por que lo que veo, Gonzalo respondió usando la parte text/html cuando
 el correo también ofrecía text/plain.
 
 Gonzalo, ¿respondiste usando la aplicación web de gmail?

X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.6-1

Los correos de Gonzalo aparecen con Content-Type: text/plain.

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Re: offtopic Re: Plantillas para libreoffice base

El jueves, 30 oct 2014 a las 17:37 horas (UTC+1),
Camaleón escribió:

El Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:21:38 +0100, Manolo Díaz escribió:

 El jueves, 30 oct 2014 a las 15:45 horas (UTC+1),
 Camaleón escribió:
 
 debería ser texto sin formato, pero hotmail metió de prepo el html.

Pues sí, el correo salió como Content-Type: multipart/alternative
 
 Duda: ¿Es incorrecto enviar multipart a la lista? Las aplicaciones de
 correos que no soportan html deben leer correctamente ese tipo de
 correo.

Cuando el cliente de correo sólo genera ese tipo sí, porque se omite la 
parte de texto plano que es la que pueden interpretar los lectores 
textuales.

 Por que lo que veo, Gonzalo respondió usando la parte text/html cuando
 el correo también ofrecía text/plain.
 
 Gonzalo, ¿respondiste usando la aplicación web de gmail?

X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.6-1

Los correos de Gonzalo aparecen con Content-Type: text/plain.

Creo que no me has entendido. El correo al que responde Gonzalo tiene
dos partes equivalentes: text/plain y text/html; ambas con el mismo
contenido textual, aunque el primero sin decorar. En ese caso,
herramientas como mutt no deben tener problemas.

El caso es que aunque Gonzalo responde en text/plain, Gmail parece usar
la parte text/html para la respuesta, y no la text/plain que también
está disponible.

Saludos,

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Re: Plantillas para libreoffice base

2014-10-30 Thread Horacio

El día 30 de octubre de 2014, 11:36, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:40:20 -0300, Horacio escribió:

 Buenas, estoy buscando plantillas de base de datos para
 libreoffice-base, don google me da plantillas para las otras
 aplicaciones, y para Acce$$ :(

 Si alguien sabe donde las puedo descargar, muy agradecido de pasar el
 link,,

 Saludos

 Pues no sé cómo habrás buscado pero a mí Google me devuelve lo que le
 pido :-P

 https://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0hl=engws_rd=ssl#complete=0hl=enq=libreoffice+base+templates


Lo busqué en castellano, :)

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Re: offtopic Re: Plantillas para libreoffice base

El Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:45:04 +0100, Manolo Díaz escribió:

 El jueves, 30 oct 2014 a las 17:37 horas (UTC+1),
 Camaleón escribió:

(...)

 Gonzalo, ¿respondiste usando la aplicación web de gmail?

X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.6-1

Los correos de Gonzalo aparecen con Content-Type: text/plain.
 
 Creo que no me has entendido. El correo al que responde Gonzalo tiene
 dos partes equivalentes: text/plain y text/html; ambas con el mismo
 contenido textual, aunque el primero sin decorar. En ese caso,
 herramientas como mutt no deben tener problemas.

El correo al que responde Gonzalo tiene un formato tan extraño que ni el 
servidor de la lista lo sabe leer:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2014/10/msg00938.html

Es decir, no se trata de un tipo de correo que contiene tanto html como 
texto, está mal formado y no, mi lector de news ve una morcilla¹.

 El caso es que aunque Gonzalo responde en text/plain, Gmail parece usar
 la parte text/html para la respuesta, y no la text/plain que también
 está disponible.

Hasta donde sé, Evolution no es el webmail de Gmail.

¹En cambio, no tengo problemas con los mensajes que genera Thunderbird 
con doble formato (txt/html) ya que Pan sólo renderiza el texto y omite 
el formato html y entiendo que Mutt hará exactamente lo mismo.

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Re: offtopic Re: Plantillas para libreoffice base

El jueves, 30 oct 2014 a las 17:59 horas (UTC+1),
Camaleón escribió:

El Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:45:04 +0100, Manolo Díaz escribió:

 El jueves, 30 oct 2014 a las 17:37 horas (UTC+1),
 Camaleón escribió:

(...)

 Gonzalo, ¿respondiste usando la aplicación web de gmail?

X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.6-1

Los correos de Gonzalo aparecen con Content-Type: text/plain.
 
 Creo que no me has entendido. El correo al que responde Gonzalo tiene
 dos partes equivalentes: text/plain y text/html; ambas con el mismo
 contenido textual, aunque el primero sin decorar. En ese caso,
 herramientas como mutt no deben tener problemas.

El correo al que responde Gonzalo tiene un formato tan extraño que ni el 
servidor de la lista lo sabe leer:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2014/10/msg00938.html

Es decir, no se trata de un tipo de correo que contiene tanto html como 
texto, está mal formado y no, mi lector de news ve una morcilla¹.

Ajá. Yo lo veo perfectamente y eso me ha confundido.
 
 El caso es que aunque Gonzalo responde en text/plain, Gmail parece usar
 la parte text/html para la respuesta, y no la text/plain que también
 está disponible.

Hasta donde sé, Evolution no es el webmail de Gmail.

No me había fijado en la cabecera. Fallo mío. La tengo un poquito
tomada con gmail y sus ocurrencias.

X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.6-1

¹En cambio, no tengo problemas con los mensajes que genera Thunderbird 
con doble formato (txt/html) ya que Pan sólo renderiza el texto y omite 
el formato html y entiendo que Mutt hará exactamente lo mismo.

Sí, esa es la idea, pero hotmail le habrá dado la espalda a los
estándares. No me sorprendería lo más mínimo.

Saludos,

Saludos.
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Re: offtopic Re: Plantillas para libreoffice base

El jueves, 30 oct 2014 a las 18:21 horas (UTC+1),
Manolo Díaz escribió:

Es decir, no se trata de un tipo de correo que contiene tanto html como 
texto, está mal formado y no, mi lector de news ve una morcilla¹.  

Ajá. Yo lo veo perfectamente y eso me ha confundido.

Me corrijo: veo perfectamente la parte text/plain. La parte text/html
está hecha un cisco.

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Re: OT: Preguntas de novatos en la lista

El jue, 30-10-2014 a las 17:07 +0100, Manolo Díaz escribió: 
 El jueves, 30 oct 2014 a las 16:20 horas (UTC+1),
 Debian GMail escribió:
 
 Hoy mandé a alguien a leer el manual (RTFM), y algún comedido me dijo 
 que para leer el manual hay que tener idea de lo que se busca.
 
 Error.
 
 ¿Por qué? ¿Debe emprender la búsqueda del conocimiento completo hasta
 dar casualmente con la respuesta? Indicarle la dirección correcta no es
 lo mismo que darle el trabajo hecho. Para saber que debo leer el manual
 de sh debe quedarme claro que mi problema es de sh y no de awk, por
 ejemplo.
 
 Claro que puede que esté equivocado. En ese caso propongo sustituir
 la lista por la siguiente respuesta automática:
 
   Léete todos los putos manuales que puedas.

apoyo la propuesta: los libros no muerden. Y los electrónicos menos

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Error haciendo aptitude update

2014-10-30 Thread Richard Díaz Rodríguez

Hola Amigos de la lista monte mi server mirror en debian 7.5 y primero 
lo udatee y todo bien pero al pasar de los dias que mi repositorio 
actualizo y volvi a ivocar aptitude update y me esta dando  este error 
agradeceria alguna ayuda al respecto.

gracias d antemano.
este es mi error


root@mirror:~# aptitude update
E: se interrumpió la ejecución de dpkg, debe ejecutar manualmente «dpkg 
--configure -a» para corregir el problema
W: No se pudo bloquear el fichero de almacén. Esto significa 
habitualmente que dpkg u otra herramienta apt está instalando paquetes. 
Se abrirá en modo de sólo lectura, ¡se PERDERÁN todos los cambios que 
realice al estado de los paquetes!

Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy Release.gpg
Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy Release
Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/main amd64 Packages
Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/contrib amd64 Packages
Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/non-free amd64 Packages
Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/contrib Translation-en
Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/main Translation-en
Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/non-free Translation-en
Ign http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/main Translation-es
90% [Trabajando]E: se interrumpió la ejecución de dpkg, debe ejecutar 
manualmente «dpkg --configure -a» para corregir el problema

E: No se pudo reconstruir el almacén de paquetes
E: se interrumpió la ejecución de dpkg, debe ejecutar manualmente «dpkg 
--configure -a» para corregir el problema


Estado actual: 0 rotos [-1], 0 actualizados [-1], 0 nuevos [-36484].
E: No pude sincronizar «mmap» - msync (122: Se ha excedido la cuota de 
disco)
E: No se pudo abrir o interpretar las listas de paquetes o el fichero de 
estado.



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Re: offtopic Re: Plantillas para libreoffice base

El jue, 30-10-2014 a las 17:21 +0100, Manolo Díaz escribió: 
 El jueves, 30 oct 2014 a las 15:45 horas (UTC+1),
 Camaleón escribió:
 
  debería ser texto sin formato, pero hotmail metió de prepo el html.  
 
 Pues sí, el correo salió como Content-Type: multipart/alternative
 
 Duda: ¿Es incorrecto enviar multipart a la lista? Las aplicaciones de
 correos que no soportan html deben leer correctamente ese tipo de
 correo.
 
 Por que lo que veo, Gonzalo respondió usando la parte text/html
 cuando el correo también ofrecía text/plain.
 
 Gonzalo, ¿respondiste usando la aplicación web de gmail?
 

le dí responder a la lista desde evolution. Evito si es posible el
webmail de gmail, porque me parece orrivle (orrivle significa mas fiero
que horrible (y fiero viene a ser mas feo que feo))

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Re: Error haciendo aptitude update

El jue, 30-10-2014 a las 13:57 -0400, Richard Díaz Rodríguez escribió: 
 Hola Amigos de la lista monte mi server mirror en debian 7.5 y primero 
 lo udatee y todo bien pero al pasar de los dias que mi repositorio 
 actualizo y volvi a ivocar aptitude update y me esta dando  este error 
 agradeceria alguna ayuda al respecto.
 gracias d antemano.
 este es mi error
 
 
 root@mirror:~# aptitude update
 E: se interrumpió la ejecución de dpkg, debe ejecutar manualmente «dpkg 
 --configure -a» para corregir el problema
está bastante claro:
dpkg --configure -a

pero yo le agregaría:
* antes sacar un backup de /var/lib/dpkg por si se rompe algo (y no
recuerdo si se guarda en algún otro lugar algo de la base de datos de
paquetes instalados, investiga y salva)
* después apt-get -f install
Entonces si, apt-get update o aptitude update 
 W: No se pudo bloquear el fichero de almacén. Esto significa 
 habitualmente que dpkg u otra herramienta apt está instalando paquetes. 
 Se abrirá en modo de sólo lectura, ¡se PERDERÁN todos los cambios que 
 realice al estado de los paquetes!
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy Release.gpg
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy Release
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/main amd64 Packages
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/contrib amd64 Packages
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/non-free amd64 Packages
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/contrib Translation-en
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/main Translation-en
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/non-free Translation-en
 Ign http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/main Translation-es
 90% [Trabajando]E: se interrumpió la ejecución de dpkg, debe ejecutar 
 manualmente «dpkg --configure -a» para corregir el problema
 E: No se pudo reconstruir el almacén de paquetes
 E: se interrumpió la ejecución de dpkg, debe ejecutar manualmente «dpkg 
 --configure -a» para corregir el problema
 
 Estado actual: 0 rotos [-1], 0 actualizados [-1], 0 nuevos [-36484].
 E: No pude sincronizar «mmap» - msync (122: Se ha excedido la cuota de 
 disco)
 E: No se pudo abrir o interpretar las listas de paquetes o el fichero de 
 estado.
 
 


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Re: Error haciendo aptitude update

El jue, 30-10-2014 a las 13:57 -0400, Richard Díaz Rodríguez escribió: 
 Hola Amigos de la lista monte mi server mirror en debian 7.5 y primero 
 lo udatee y todo bien pero al pasar de los dias que mi repositorio 
 actualizo y volvi a ivocar aptitude update y me esta dando  este error 
 agradeceria alguna ayuda al respecto.
 gracias d antemano.
 este es mi error
 
 
 root@mirror:~# aptitude update
 E: se interrumpió la ejecución de dpkg, debe ejecutar manualmente «dpkg 
 --configure -a» para corregir el problema
 W: No se pudo bloquear el fichero de almacén. Esto significa 
 habitualmente que dpkg u otra herramienta apt está instalando paquetes. 
 Se abrirá en modo de sólo lectura, ¡se PERDERÁN todos los cambios que 
 realice al estado de los paquetes!
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy Release.gpg
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy Release
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/main amd64 Packages
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/contrib amd64 Packages
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/non-free amd64 Packages
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/contrib Translation-en
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/main Translation-en
 Hit http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/non-free Translation-en
 Ign http://192.168.4.4 wheezy/main Translation-es
 90% [Trabajando]E: se interrumpió la ejecución de dpkg, debe ejecutar 
 manualmente «dpkg --configure -a» para corregir el problema
 E: No se pudo reconstruir el almacén de paquetes
 E: se interrumpió la ejecución de dpkg, debe ejecutar manualmente «dpkg 
 --configure -a» para corregir el problema
 

yo de vuelta, al enviar el mail anterior me di cuenta de este error que
se me había pasado:

 Estado actual: 0 rotos [-1], 0 actualizados [-1], 0 nuevos [-36484].
 E: No pude sincronizar «mmap» - msync (122: Se ha excedido la cuota de 
 disco)

¿tenés espacio en el disco?, o si está organizado por cuotas, ¿no la
habrás superado?

 E: No se pudo abrir o interpretar las listas de paquetes o el fichero de 
 estado.
 



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limitar ejabberd

2014-10-30 Thread luis


Hola a todos

Tengo ejabberd instalado y funcionando bien.

Necesito que solamente se agreguen usuarios fuera de mi empresa que 
sean solamente para .cu .es .ve .ar .mx y ec



Alguna idea

Agradezco toda ayuda


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limitar ejabberd

2014-10-30 Thread luis


Hola a todos

Tengo ejabberd instalado y funcionando bien.

Necesito que solamente se agreguen usuarios fuera de mi empresa que 
sean solamente para .cu .es .ve .ar .mx y ec



Alguna idea

Agradezco toda ayuda


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Re: någon som har tid för en newbie

2014-10-30 Thread Sven Arvidsson

On Thu, 2014-10-30 at 10:41 +0100, e...@erikkylin.net wrote:
 Hej, 
 datorn är några år gammal. körde lshw i terminalen och fick följande
 svar.  
 

 description: Network controller
 product: BCM43228 802.11a/b/g/n
 vendor: Broadcom Corporation

Hoppsan, då tog jag miste på det trådlösa nätverkskortet. Paketet du ska
ha heter då broadcom-sta-dkms och installeras på följande vis:
https://wiki.debian.org/wl#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22

Jag svarar tillbaka till listan, hoppas det går bra.

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Re: någon som har tid för en newbie

2014-10-30 Thread e...@erikkylin.net

Fan vad underbar det funkar. Nu funkar wifi, redo för Fscons. 

Tack Sven och alla andra. 
Är det CalDav man skall använda med ownclode för att få att funka
kalender att funka bra?


tor 2014-10-30 klockan 16:13 +0100 skrev Sven Arvidsson:
 On Thu, 2014-10-30 at 10:41 +0100, e...@erikkylin.net wrote:
  Hej, 
  datorn är några år gammal. körde lshw i terminalen och fick följande
  svar.  
  
 
  description: Network controller
  product: BCM43228 802.11a/b/g/n
  vendor: Broadcom Corporation
 
 Hoppsan, då tog jag miste på det trådlösa nätverkskortet. Paketet du ska
 ha heter då broadcom-sta-dkms och installeras på följande vis:
 https://wiki.debian.org/wl#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22
 
 Jag svarar tillbaka till listan, hoppas det går bra.
 



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Re: någon som har tid för en newbie

2014-10-30 Thread Sven Arvidsson

On Thu, 2014-10-30 at 19:38 +0100, e...@erikkylin.net wrote:
 Fan vad underbar det funkar. Nu funkar wifi, redo för Fscons. 
 
 Tack Sven och alla andra. 
 Är det CalDav man skall använda med ownclode för att få att funka
 kalender att funka bra?
 

Skönt att det fungerade! :)

Ja, CalDav skall fungera. I vissa versioner av GNOME (jag minns inte om
det gäller den i Wheezy) kan man även lägga till Owncloud-kontot i
inställningarna i Online Accounts så dyker de automatiskt upp.

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Duvida Open-vpn client

2014-10-30 Thread rodrigo.root.rj


Prezados,
estou com problemas para configurar um client de openvpn no windows 7.
Tenho um servidor que tem um tunel site-to-site, e gostaria de fazer um 
teste  com o acesso de um cliente via client.
Consigo, no servidor, levantar o tunel responsavel pela conexão, no 
entanto quando tento conectar o meu cliente, na tela do aplicativo,
não aparece nada, simplesmente o serviço tenta conectar mas não conecta, 
mas não mostra nenhum tipo de imagem, no terminal do openvpn client , 
sobre um possivel carregamento da vpn, ele simplesmente, abre o terminal 
e depois de alguns segundos diz que a conexão falhou.
Impressionantemente, no windows,o diretorio de logs do client não tem um 
arquivo com os logs da vpn, por isso nao consigo avaliar qual é o 
problema pelos logs dentro do windows.
Nota: No meu client, não tenho firewall, desabilitei as regras de 
firewall do windows e pingo para o nó da vpn.Desabilitei também as 
regras de firewall do meu servidor.

Segue abaixo minhas considerações.

Minha interface no servidor criada é :

tun0  Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr 
00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00

  inet addr:10.10.0.1  P-t-P:10.10.0.2  Mask:255.255.255.255
As portas estão ok:
udp0  0 0.0.0.0:6999 0.0.0.0:*   
1324/openvpn

root@FW-RA:/etc/openvpn/keys# service openvpn status
VPN 'matriz' is running.
VPN 'site-to-site' is running.

No meu servidor, fiz apartir dos scripts padrão os seguintes arquivos:
arquivo matriz.conf, com o conteudo:
dev tun
port 6999
proto udp
ca keys/ca.crt
cert keys/matriz.crt
key keys/matriz.key
dh keys/dh1024.pem
server 10.10.0.0 255.255.255.0
push route 192.168.171.0 255.255.255.0
keepalive 10 120
comp-lzo
user nobody
group nogroup
persist-key
persist-tun
verb 3
Dentro do diretorio keys, tenho os arquivos abaixo:
ca.crt
dh1024.pem
matriz.csr
vendedor03.crt
vendedor03.key
ca.key
matriz.crt
matriz.key
vendedor03.csr

Exportei para o windows, em seu diretorio conf os arquivos:
vendedor03.crt
vendedor03.key
ca.crt

Segue abaixo minhas configurações com o arquivo openvpn client.
dev tun
port 6999
proto udp
remote 192.168.0.222
ifconfig 10.10.0.2 10.10.0.1
ca   C:\\Program Files\\OpenVPN\\config\\ca.crt
cert C:\\Program Files\\OpenVPN\\config\\vendedor-03.crt
key  C:\\Program Files\\OpenVPN\\config\\vendedor-03.key
nobind
tls-client
keepalive 10 120
comp-lzo
user  nobody
group nogroup
persist-key
persist-tun
verb 3



















O que ocorre é que meu client não conecta, embora eu consiga pingar para 
o ip



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squid tcp_outgoing_address;

2014-10-30 Thread Deivison Moraes

Pessoal, vocês já usaram o parametro tcp_outgoing_address com proxy em
modo intercept?

Estou testando uma configuração
acl eoip6 src 192.168.4.0/24
tcp_outgoing_address IP_VALIDO eoip6

O ip route já está encaminhado o restante do tráfego para a tabela com
este IP porem o squid aparece apenas do gateway padrão.

Alguém já teve este problema?

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Re: Problem with external monitor

On 24/10/2014, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 14/10/2014, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Ma, 14 oct 14, 03:59:04, Bret Busby wrote:

 Apart from the politics of the free vs proprietary software, what do
 you know of any differences (as in advantages/disadvantages, if any)
 between the two driver types?

 In my experience nouveau is slower (the primary reason I keep going back
 to nvidia), but better much better integrated with the rest of the
 system (I have some obscure bugs with nvidia that just don't happen with
 nouveau).

 Note wheezy-backports does not contain the newer
 xserver-xorg-video-intel package that is needed by newer intel cards.
 If you find yourself stuck with the fbdev or vesa driver then you'll
 need to upgrade to jessie or sid.

 This is about backports, you're still on pure wheezy (as far as you told
 us).

 I am wondering whether it is all getting too complicated, as, with
 your reference to the vesa thing, the above seems to suggest that I
 need to go to testing (if that is jessie) or experimental (= sid).

 Only if xserver-xorg-video-intel in *backports* doesn't support your
 card. This is still unknown at this point.

 If I use the backports thing, to go to a newer kernel, would that be
 compatible with the Debian 7 system as it stands, or, would I end up
 with a hybrid (mixture of stable and testing) system?

 In my opinion backports is the safest method to enhance an otherwise
 stable system and I've used them successfully. Do respect the
 instructions and only install select backports.

 Kernels in particular are safer than most other packages, especially
 since you can always boot with the stable kernel if something doesn't
 work as expected.

 Kind regards,
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 Okay - I have now done the backports thing, and installed bumble bee
 and primus, and rebooted (as it also involved a kernel upgrade to
 3.2.x.

 That still did not detect the external monitor, so I installed the
 bumblebee-nvidia, and that tols me that it had to be configured, and
 did not go through the confifuration process, and I do not remember
 the relevant file for configuring it, and I do not know hopw to access
 the configuration instructions for it.

 So, I still can not get Debian 7.x (now backported - should that be
 Debian 7 Backport, like Debian 6 LTS ?).

 I had not real;ised that it would be so difficult to get an external
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Hello.

I have just realised the presence, and, extent of the presence, of the
spelling/typographical errors in the last previous message that I
posted about this; above, so am posting it again, hopefully with all
of the errors corrected.

I use Arora for accessing the gmail account, and it does not have/use
spellchecking, so, from time to time, errors can get through, and,
sometimes, entered text, simply disappears, or, is inserted other than
where it should be.

The (hopefully) corrected last previous post, in this thread, is below.

Okay - I have now done the backports thing, and installed bumblebee
and primus, and rebooted (as it also involved a kernel upgrade to
3.2.x).

That still did not detect the external monitor, so I installed the
bumblebee-nvidia, and that told me that it had to be configured, and
did not go through the configuration process, and I do not remember
the relevant file for configuring it, and I do not know how to access
the configuration instructions for it.

So, I still can not get Debian 7.x (now backported - should that be
Debian 7 Backport, like Debian 6 LTS ?) to detect and use the
external monitor.

I had not realised that it would be so difficult to get an external
monitor working with Debian 7 - I expected that it would simply be a
Plug and Play thing, like it is with Ubuntu, where the hardware
would be automatically detected and automatically be operational (and
I think it was equally easy as with Ububtu 14.04, with Debian 6).

(In addition to the last previous post:)

I do not know whetehr it is an issue of incompatibility between Debian
7 and the graphics card(s), or, whether it is an LXDE issue, or,
whether it si something else.

But, whatever it is, I still can not get Debian 7 to recognise and
operate the external monitor.

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Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-10-30 Thread Marty


On 10/29/2014 06:53 AM, Laurent Bigonville wrote:

Le Wed, 29 Oct 2014 00:52:54 -0400,
Marty mar...@ix.netcom.com a Ã©crit :


On 10/28/2014 05:10 PM, Christian Seiler wrote:
 Am 28.10.2014 20:53, schrieb Marty:
 This just being one example of context being leaked. Some of this
 context could be cleaned up if uuidd were setuid root (and not
 setuid uuidd), but not all of it necessarily.

  From what you write it's not clear if a) there is an unavoidable
 security threat in all use cases,

 Not necessarily a security threat, it could also just be unexpected
 behavior due to leakage of context. The problem is that there are so
 many possibilities of things that could happen in certain
 circumstances with things like this that it's not clear as to what
 the security implications are going to be, not that there
 necessarily are any.

 and b) there is no way the systemd
 replacement can co-exist with on-demand UUID in the same
 executable.

 No, it could, no question.

 Then if I read you correctly, the old mechanism may not work with a
 promised future kernel security feature, but could be working
 securely now in some use cases, albeit as a hack.

 I was never talking about future kernel versions. I was talking
 about lots of stuff that is still in the *current* kernel that
 incurs state that is passed on to children of processes. To name a
 few off the top of my head, that might cause problems, depending on
 the circumstances:

   - capability bounding set (cannot be directly escaped for a
 process, even as root)
   - SELinux context (depending on transition rules, maybe can't be
 escaped and certainly would need a specific rule for uuidd from
 every daemon that uses it)
   - seccomp syscall filters (usually can't be reset, even as root)
   - prctl(PR_SET_NO_NEW_PRIVS) (can't be reset)
   - nice priority (needs root to reset)
   - cgroup membership (needs root to reset)
   - PID namespace (if init of a PID namespace dies, all processes
 inside that namespace get SIGKILL)
   - and that's just off the top of my head

So granted, these are problems that need to be fixed, but they are in
Wheezy then people are already living with them and probably doing OK.


Problems are identified, some people wants to solve them. And we
shouldn't solve them, because of what?

There is a difference between being OK and being technically correct.




 Now I'm not saying that all of them are necessarily a problem, it
 really depends on what the concrete circumstances are. But the
 issue here is that for a general-purpose library that may be used
 by different services that may be subject to any number of the
 aforementioned contexts.

Could they have instead made the library call a no-op if systemd is
installed, instead of requiring the new dependency? People not using
systemd would not be any worse off than currently, and they would
likely be small in number. For those, the risk of using the old hack
should be weighed against the risk of a new, complex, and relatively
untested solution, relative to its size. Should the user be able to
decide that?


You still need to have something handling the systemd activation
protocol for systemd users. You either need to reimplement in the
executable (code duplication is bad) or depends against the library
that does that for you... And the later is the way (lot of) upstreams
have chosen.



Leaking context information seems more a problem to me that using code
that actually does NOTHING if systemd is not used as PID1.
(Did you actually looked at the code?)


I had not thought of the non-PID1 case, or believed the init script 
could cover that it. As for the buggy hack, I don't propose reverting it 
because I assume upstream had a good reason to not to have a deprecation 
period. I'm just asking a question about backwards compatibility and 
using it as an example.



The users who actually care are still free to revert patches and/or
drop configure flags to remove systemd socket activation support.



 So instead of shipping something that kind of sort of works in many
 cases now but that may cause some weird, unexpected and probably
 really hard to debug problems later, the authors decided to drop
 this logic and say: on systems without socket activation, it just
 has to always be started. uuidd, if always started, still works on
 those systems.

 If that's right, then the way it was removed is the problem.

 As I said in my earlier mail: even if there had been no possibility
 to do a safe and secure on-demand activation (no init system with
 socket activation available) I still would have said that removing
 this on-demand hack and always starting uuidd would have probably
 been the best solution.

By problem I meant what I consider the problem of not having an
overlap between old and new solutions, and no deprecation period or
warning. I don't argue that it should not be corrected. My point was
more of a policy and design strategy issue.


There is NO functional change at all,

Re: LZ4 decompression on Boot

2014-10-30 Thread Andre Massena

There is no -l (streaming) switch available on the r122 version of LZ4 I
am running.

I have see the -l option mentioned in other (non-Debian) forums however.


Regards,



Andre
  

En réponse à Vanessa Blöchinger vanessa.bloechin...@ulukai.org :
 -- Début du message d'origine 
 
 On 2014-10-29 10:22, Andre Massena wrote:
  Hello all,
 
 
  having trawled through several search engines and perused
 various Debian
  lists, I am still in the dark...
 
  I am running Debian Jessie (Kernel 3.17.1) on a Thinkpad
 X230. I would like
  to use LZ4 to compress/decompress the kernel on booting.
  As per apt-get, the release of liblz4-1 I am running is
 r122-2.
 
  I have the following kernel settings -
 
  CONFIG_HAVE_KERNEL_LZ4=y
  CONFIG_KERNEL_LZ4=y
  CONFIG_KERNEL_LZ4=y
  CONFIG_ZRAM_LZ4_COMPRESS=y
  CONFIG_CRYPTO_LZ4=y
  CONFIG_CRYPTO_LZ4HC=y
  CONFIG_LZ4_COMPRESS=y
  CONFIG_LZ4HC_COMPRESS=y
  CONFIG_LZ4_DECOMPRESS=y
  CONFIG_DECOMPRESS_LZ4=y
 
  in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d I have a file called lz4
 which contains the
  line 
  COMPRESS=lz4c.
  I subsequently run update-initramfs with the appropriate
 switches and reboot.
 
 
  Result is a initramfs unpacking failed: junk in compiled
 archive message
  at boot.
 
 
  Does anyone have an idea what I might have done
 wrong/incorrect or indeed
  any pointers?
 
 
 
  Regards,
 
 
 
  Andre
 
 Hi Andre,
 
 looks like the kernel is using an older, less standardized
 format for
 its lz4 compression. Use the -l switch on lz4c for  linux
 kernel support.
 
 See the lz4 man page and
 https://code.google.com/p/lz4/issues/detail?id=66#c2
 
 Regards
 Vanessa
 
 
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Canoscan Lide 210 Scanner

2014-10-30 Thread Johann Spies

This is not Debian specific, but as I experienced it on Debian and
initially thought that it might be a Debian problem, it may help some other
users.

I recently bought the scanner specified in the subject line after reading
that the saned team claims it has complete  support. I first tried it out
on my Desktop which has something like 8 usb2 ports.  I had limited success
and was frustrated.  Then I took it to work and tested it with my work
laptop with 4 usb2 ports and it worked without a problem.

At home I tested it on my other Debian laptop which have two usb3-ports and
two usb2 ports.  On the USB-3 port I experienced the same problems I had on
my Desktop.  Moving the connection to a usb2-port everything worked as
expected.

My thought on this is that on the Desktop there was not enough power coming
through the usb-port and on the usb3-port there the power was too much.

This scanner only works with the electricity it gets through the
usb-connection.

Regards
Johann

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Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-10-30 Thread Laurent Bigonville

Le Thu, 30 Oct 2014 02:24:27 -0400,
Marty mar...@ix.netcom.com a écrit :

 On 10/29/2014 06:53 AM, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
  Le Wed, 29 Oct 2014 00:52:54 -0400,
  Marty mar...@ix.netcom.com a Ã©crit :
[...]
  By problem I meant what I consider the problem of not having an
  overlap between old and new solutions, and no deprecation period or
  warning. I don't argue that it should not be corrected. My point
  was more of a policy and design strategy issue.
 
  There is NO functional change at all, what was working before is
  still working now. The only difference is that you have an extra
  daemon running from the start (and running in a clean context).
 
 The deprecation issue would not apply to Jessie, just some legacy
 code.

I'm not following you here
 
  The daemon here on my machine is using 1224KiB of resident memory,
  this is nothing on modern machines. I personally don't even see why
  we are discussing this tbh.
 
 I don't know about you, but I am here because I am trying to decide
 if this is a case of accidental vendor lock-in and more broadly if
 there is a backward compatibility policy issue that encourages it, or
 if this is an isolated instance.
 
 There's also the matter of the missing init script, doubts about init 
 script support, the freeze, the GR, the vote, and questions about 
 deprecation policies in general, as background. At this point I'm 
 willing write it off as undecidable, at least by me. :)

There is a /etc/init.d/uuidd initscript currently in jessie, see:

https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/uuid-runtime/filelist
http://sources.debian.net/src/util-linux/2.25.1-5/misc-utils/uuidd.rc.in/

And it has always been clear (at least to me) that all the packages must
continue to support sysvinit and not remove any LSB initscripts for the
jessie release.


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Opera (was Re: Good news on claws-mail)

2014-10-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 05:56:25PM +0100, Siard wrote:
 I just installed the x86_64 version in my new PC (amd64) with 'dpkg -i'.
 After trying to 'apt-get install' the 3 gstreamer*-dependencies,
 I followed apt's advice to try 'apt-get -f install' (without packages)
 and voilà: all dependencies were neatly solved.

If you want to continue to discuss Opera, please change the subject line,
as this discussion has nothing to do anymore with claws-mail.


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Re: Installing Debian in Xen VM no /dev/xvda

2014-10-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland

Hi,

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 01:00:09PM -0600, Mario Castelán Castro wrote:
 Hello.
 
 I'm trying to install Debian remotely in a virtual machine. During
 installation, there is no /dev/xvda but only /dev/xvda1 and
 /dev/xvda2. Before installing Debian remotely, the system has a
 GNU/Linux image in which the former block device contains a
 filesystem with no swap, and the later is for swap. During
 installation, the Debian installer inconsistently recognized
 /dev/xvda1 as a partition and then as a whole disk.

It sounds like there might be some bugs in d-i here.

 I intend to install LVM here. In the section “formatting disks”, /dev/xvda1
 is handled as a partition, and there is no option to use it as a PV for LVM.

What options are there?

 I tried to manually perform partitioning

In your situation I'd avoid partitions entirely and format both xvda1 and xvda2
as LVM PVs.

 I have also tried to create a LVM physical volume with no
 partitions, This fails in the step “Installing GRUB”. How can I
 install Debian with LVM over this pathological setup?.

Does your VM rely on grub to boot? Most VPS providers appear to boot the VMs
with an external kernel and initrd. If yours is the same, you could skip
bootloader entirely.


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Re: Canoscan Lide 210 Scanner

2014-10-30 Thread Joe

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:16:42 +0200
Johann Spies johann.sp...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is not Debian specific, but as I experienced it on Debian and
 initially thought that it might be a Debian problem, it may help some
 other users.
 
 I recently bought the scanner specified in the subject line after
 reading that the saned team claims it has complete  support. I
 first tried it out on my Desktop which has something like 8 usb2
 ports.  I had limited success and was frustrated.  Then I took it to
 work and tested it with my work laptop with 4 usb2 ports and it
 worked without a problem.
 
 At home I tested it on my other Debian laptop which have two
 usb3-ports and two usb2 ports.  On the USB-3 port I experienced the
 same problems I had on my Desktop.  Moving the connection to a
 usb2-port everything worked as expected.
 
 My thought on this is that on the Desktop there was not enough power
 coming through the usb-port and on the usb3-port there the power was
 too much.

It is astronomically unlikely that the USB supply voltage would be too
high, as almost certainly, the same supply is used inside the computer,
and a 5 Volt rail can't go any higher than 5.25 before other things
will stop working.
 
 This scanner only works with the electricity it gets through the
 usb-connection.
 
Something you could try is a powered USB hub, using a separate 5 Volt
supply. If the scanner works through the hub on the problem machine(s)
with external power applied but not without it, it's pretty certain
that's the answer. Computer USB ports are not all equal in terms of the
maximum current available, and at the moment, this does look the most
likely answer. I'm assuming you're using the same USB cable for all the
tests, at least on USB2, as scanners do shift a fair amount of data and
all USB cables aren't created equal, either.

I have two devices that came with USB cables with two type-A connectors
fitted at one end, as the 'guaranteed' minimum of 100mA from one port
isn't enough for them. But I've still had trouble, so I use them
through a powered hub every time now.

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Re: Opera (was Re: Good news on claws-mail)

On 30/10/2014, Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 05:56:25PM +0100, Siard wrote:
 I just installed the x86_64 version in my new PC (amd64) with 'dpkg -i'.
 After trying to 'apt-get install' the 3 gstreamer*-dependencies,
 I followed apt's advice to try 'apt-get -f install' (without packages)
 and voilà: all dependencies were neatly solved.

 If you want to continue to discuss Opera, please change the subject line,
 as this discussion has nothing to do anymore with claws-mail.


 Thanks

 --
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I have not had any problems installing Opera; from memory, I download
the [package from the Opera web site, and install it using gdebi,
which takes care of everything.


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Re: LZ4 decompression on Boot

2014-10-30 Thread Vanessa Blöchinger

On 2014-10-30 07:53, Andre Massena wrote:
 There is no -l (streaming) switch available on the r122 version of LZ4 I
 am running.

 I have see the -l option mentioned in other (non-Debian) forums however.


 Regards,



 Andre

This is what i get in jessie's lz4, version 0.0~r122-2:


root@jessie:~# lz4 -h
*** LZ4 Compression CLI 64-bits r122, by Yann Collet (Sep 18 2014) ***

[snip]

Advanced arguments :
 -V : display Version number and exit
 -v : verbose mode
 -q : suppress warnings; specify twice to suppress errors too
 -c : force write to standard output, even if it is the console
 -t : test compressed file integrity
 -l : compress using Legacy format (Linux kernel compression)


   

 En réponse à Vanessa Blöchinger vanessa.bloechin...@ulukai.org :
 -- Début du message d'origine 

 On 2014-10-29 10:22, Andre Massena wrote:
 Hello all,


 having trawled through several search engines and perused various Debian 
 lists, I am still in the dark...

 I am running Debian Jessie (Kernel 3.17.1) on a Thinkpad X230. I would like 
 to use LZ4 to compress/decompress the kernel on booting.
 As per apt-get, the release of liblz4-1 I am running is r122-2.
 I have the following kernel settings -

 CONFIG_HAVE_KERNEL_LZ4=y
 CONFIG_KERNEL_LZ4=y
 CONFIG_KERNEL_LZ4=y
 CONFIG_ZRAM_LZ4_COMPRESS=y
 CONFIG_CRYPTO_LZ4=y
 CONFIG_CRYPTO_LZ4HC=y
 CONFIG_LZ4_COMPRESS=y
 CONFIG_LZ4HC_COMPRESS=y
 CONFIG_LZ4_DECOMPRESS=y
 CONFIG_DECOMPRESS_LZ4=y

 in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d I have a file called lz4 which contains 
 the line 
 COMPRESS=lz4c.
 I subsequently run update-initramfs with the appropriate switches and 
 reboot.

 Result is a initramfs unpacking failed: junk in compiled archive message 
 at boot.

 Does anyone have an idea what I might have done wrong/incorrect or indeed 
 any pointers?



 Regards,



 Andre

 Hi Andre,

 looks like the kernel is using an older, less standardized format for its 
 lz4 compression. Use the -l switch on lz4c for linux kernel support.

 See the lz4 man page and
 https://code.google.com/p/lz4/issues/detail?id=66#c2

 Regards
 Vanessa



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Re: multiple redmine sites

2014-10-30 Thread Bram Diederik

2014-10-29 17:19 GMT+01:00 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org:

 Le 29.10.2014 16:11, Bram Diederik a écrit :


 So, you probably should have one virtual host like

 and the other one like

 ?

 --
 Yes and both there own FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID setting.

 FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID default  for the 443 site

 FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID dev  for the 3000 site


 but both sites connect to the default site when i visit them with
 some browser


 Can you show the whole exact content of your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
 please?
 Could you also show the content of /etc/redmine/ (for i in $(find
 /etc/redmine); do echo $i;cat $i;done will do the job)?


 -


Sure:

here are sites
---

IfModule mod_ssl.c
VirtualHost *:443


Directory /usr/share/phpmyadmin
Options FollowSymLinks
DirectoryIndex index.php

IfModule mod_php5.c
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php

php_flag magic_quotes_gpc Off
php_flag track_vars On
php_flag register_globals Off
php_admin_flag allow_url_fopen Off
php_value include_path .
php_admin_value upload_tmp_dir /var/lib/phpmyadmin/tmp
php_admin_value open_basedir
/usr/share/phpmyadmin/:/etc/phpmyadmin/:/var/lib/phpmyadmin/
/IfModule

/Directory





# FcgidInitialEnv for module mod_fcgid
FcgidInitialEnv RAILS_RELATIVE_URL_ROOT 
FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID default

Alias /plugin_assets/ /var/cache/redmine/default/plugin_assets/
DocumentRoot /usr/share/redmine/public
Directory /usr/share/redmine/public
Options +FollowSymLinks +ExecCGI
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
RewriteEngine On
RewriteRule ^$ index.html [QSA]
RewriteRule ^([^.]+)$ $1.html [QSA]
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f [OR]
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} dispatch.fcgi$
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ dispatch.fcgi [QSA,L]
/Directory
SSLEngine on
SSLCertificateFile/etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key



/VirtualHost
/IfModule

Re: Canoscan Lide 210 Scanner

2014-10-30 Thread B. M.

See the following bug report
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsane/+bug/1247371

There seems to be a problem with USB 3. I have the same scanner (210) but the 
error doesn't occur after each scan, it seems to be more irregular, but certain 
settings (resolution, color depth, ...) can force it. Since you mentioned that 
it works fine when plugged it in USB 2 I will check which USB port I'm 
currently using this evening (my desktop has both of them).


Le 30 oct. 2014 à 09:56, Joe j...@jretrading.com a écrit :

 On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:16:42 +0200
 Johann Spies johann.sp...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This is not Debian specific, but as I experienced it on Debian and
 initially thought that it might be a Debian problem, it may help some
 other users.
 
 I recently bought the scanner specified in the subject line after
 reading that the saned team claims it has complete  support. I
 first tried it out on my Desktop which has something like 8 usb2
 ports.  I had limited success and was frustrated.  Then I took it to
 work and tested it with my work laptop with 4 usb2 ports and it
 worked without a problem.
 
 At home I tested it on my other Debian laptop which have two
 usb3-ports and two usb2 ports.  On the USB-3 port I experienced the
 same problems I had on my Desktop.  Moving the connection to a
 usb2-port everything worked as expected.
 
 My thought on this is that on the Desktop there was not enough power
 coming through the usb-port and on the usb3-port there the power was
 too much.
 
 It is astronomically unlikely that the USB supply voltage would be too
 high, as almost certainly, the same supply is used inside the computer,
 and a 5 Volt rail can't go any higher than 5.25 before other things
 will stop working.
 
 This scanner only works with the electricity it gets through the
 usb-connection.
 
 Something you could try is a powered USB hub, using a separate 5 Volt
 supply. If the scanner works through the hub on the problem machine(s)
 with external power applied but not without it, it's pretty certain
 that's the answer. Computer USB ports are not all equal in terms of the
 maximum current available, and at the moment, this does look the most
 likely answer. I'm assuming you're using the same USB cable for all the
 tests, at least on USB2, as scanners do shift a fair amount of data and
 all USB cables aren't created equal, either.
 
 I have two devices that came with USB cables with two type-A connectors
 fitted at one end, as the 'guaranteed' minimum of 100mA from one port
 isn't enough for them. But I've still had trouble, so I use them
 through a powered hub every time now.
 
 -- 
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Re: LZ4 decompression on Boot

2014-10-30 Thread Andre Massena

Vanessa,


you are of course correct.


I went to the trouble of downloading the latest (r123) LZ4 tools source and
compiled same.
There is indeed an -l switch which is only visible when the long help
(-H) argument is passed

I am however, still in the dark as to how I get my kernel
compressed/decompressed (see original post).

Information/documentation as to how to accomplish this on a Debian system is
sparse, to say the least.


Regards,



Andre 

En réponse à Vanessa Blöchinger vanessa.bloechin...@ulukai.org :
 -- Début du message d'origine 
 
 On 2014-10-30 07:53, Andre Massena wrote:
  There is no -l (streaming) switch available on the r122
 version of LZ4 I
  am running.
 
  I have see the -l option mentioned in other (non-Debian)
 forums however.
 
 
  Regards,
 
 
 
  Andre
 
 This is what i get in jessie's lz4, version 0.0~r122-2:
 
 
 root@jessie:~# lz4 -h
 *** LZ4 Compression CLI 64-bits r122, by Yann Collet (Sep 18
 2014) ***
 
 [snip]
 
 Advanced arguments :
  -V : display Version number and exit
  -v : verbose mode
  -q : suppress warnings; specify twice to suppress errors
 too
  -c : force write to standard output, even if it is the
 console
  -t : test compressed file integrity
  -l : compress using Legacy format (Linux kernel
 compression)
 
 

 
  En réponse à Vanessa Blöchinger
 vanessa.bloechin...@ulukai.org :
  -- Début du message d'origine
 
 
  On 2014-10-29 10:22, Andre Massena wrote:
  Hello all,
 
 
  having trawled through several search engines and perused
 various Debian
 lists, I am still in the dark...
 
  I am running Debian Jessie (Kernel 3.17.1) on a Thinkpad
 X230. I would like
 to use LZ4 to compress/decompress the kernel on booting.
  As per apt-get, the release of liblz4-1 I am running is
 r122-2.
  I have the following kernel settings -
 
  CONFIG_HAVE_KERNEL_LZ4=y
  CONFIG_KERNEL_LZ4=y
  CONFIG_KERNEL_LZ4=y
  CONFIG_ZRAM_LZ4_COMPRESS=y
  CONFIG_CRYPTO_LZ4=y
  CONFIG_CRYPTO_LZ4HC=y
  CONFIG_LZ4_COMPRESS=y
  CONFIG_LZ4HC_COMPRESS=y
  CONFIG_LZ4_DECOMPRESS=y
  CONFIG_DECOMPRESS_LZ4=y
 
  in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d I have a file called lz4
 which contains the
 line 
  COMPRESS=lz4c.
  I subsequently run update-initramfs with the appropriate
 switches and
 reboot.
 
  Result is a initramfs unpacking failed: junk in compiled
 archive message
 at boot.
 
  Does anyone have an idea what I might have done
 wrong/incorrect or indeed
 any pointers?
 
 
 
  Regards,
 
 
 
  Andre
 
  Hi Andre,
 
  looks like the kernel is using an older, less standardized
 format for its lz4
 compression. Use the -l switch on lz4c for linux kernel
 support.
 
  See the lz4 man page and
  https://code.google.com/p/lz4/issues/detail?id=66#c2
 
  Regards
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Re: Canoscan Lide 210 Scanner

2014-10-30 Thread Johann Spies

On 30 October 2014 10:56, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote:

 On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:16:42 +0200
 Johann Spies johann.sp...@gmail.com wrote:

 It is astronomically unlikely that the USB supply voltage would be too
 high, as almost certainly, the same supply is used inside the computer,
 and a 5 Volt rail can't go any higher than 5.25 before other things
 will stop working.


Not the volt but the current maybe.  According to this website(
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/115251-how-usb-charging-works-or-how-to-avoid-blowing-up-your-smartphone)
the current on USB2 can be up to 500mA (0.5A) while in the case of USB3 it
is 900mA (0.9A).

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Re: Canoscan Lide 210 Scanner

2014-10-30 Thread Johann Spies

 See the following bug report
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsane/+bug/1247371

 Thanks.  I did not see it before.  That confirms what I was experiencing.

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Re: multiple redmine sites

2014-10-30 Thread Bram Diederik

2014-10-29 17:19 GMT+01:00 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org:

 Le 29.10.2014 16:11, Bram Diederik a écrit :


 So, you probably should have one virtual host like

 and the other one like

 ?

 --
 Yes and both there own FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID setting.

 FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID default  for the 443 site

 FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID dev  for the 3000 site


 but both sites connect to the default site when i visit them with
 some browser


 Can you show the whole exact content of your /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
 please?
 Could you also show the content of /etc/redmine/ (for i in $(find
 /etc/redmine); do echo $i;cat $i;done will do the job)?




Oeps.. pressed the wrong button..
Lets try again

the /etc/redmine/sandbox/ configuration is not correct... I configured it
with dpkg-reconfigure ... I think thats the problem.. looking into it



Here my sites in site-enabled


-- production
---
IfModule mod_ssl.c
VirtualHost *:443


Directory /usr/share/phpmyadmin
Options FollowSymLinks
DirectoryIndex index.php

IfModule mod_php5.c
AddType application/x-httpd-php .php

php_flag magic_quotes_gpc Off
php_flag track_vars On
php_flag register_globals Off
php_admin_flag allow_url_fopen Off
php_value include_path .
php_admin_value upload_tmp_dir /var/lib/phpmyadmin/tmp
php_admin_value open_basedir
/usr/share/phpmyadmin/:/etc/phpmyadmin/:/var/lib/phpmyadmin/
/IfModule

/Directory

# FcgidInitialEnv for module mod_fcgid
FcgidInitialEnv RAILS_RELATIVE_URL_ROOT 
FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID default

Alias /plugin_assets/ /var/cache/redmine/default/plugin_assets/
DocumentRoot /usr/share/redmine/public
Directory /usr/share/redmine/public
Options +FollowSymLinks +ExecCGI
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
RewriteEngine On
RewriteRule ^$ index.html [QSA]
RewriteRule ^([^.]+)$ $1.html [QSA]
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f [OR]
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} dispatch.fcgi$
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ dispatch.fcgi [QSA,L]
/Directory
SSLEngine on
SSLCertificateFile/etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem
SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.key



/VirtualHost
/IfModule

-- sandbox
--
VirtualHost *:3000

# FcgidInitialEnv for module mod_fcgid
FcgidInitialEnv RAILS_RELATIVE_URL_ROOT 
FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID dev

Alias /plugin_assets/ /var/cache/redmine/default/plugin_assets/
DocumentRoot /usr/share/redmine/public
Directory /usr/share/redmine/public
Options +FollowSymLinks +ExecCGI
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
RewriteEngine On
RewriteRule ^$ index.html [QSA]
RewriteRule ^([^.]+)$ $1.html [QSA]
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f [OR]
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} dispatch.fcgi$
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ dispatch.fcgi [QSA,L]
/Directory


/VirtualHost

Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Hans

Dear maintainers,

completely without starting any flamewars: 

I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well as 
/var, /home, /boot and /.

Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted. 

Due to this profile, I get a lot of annoying errors, as systemd does not find 
/usr when it is started, because it produces an error and then switches to 
verbose mode. This is very annoying!

For a new installation it might be ok, to put /usr on the root partition, but 
I guess, there are a lot of systems in the world running a partition profile 
like mine.

Besides of the mentioned problem systemd is running well.

I thought about this problem. Might it be possible, to change systemd in that 
way, that it will start after all partitions are mounted? I know, it must be 
done in the source code, but as I am no coder, I cannot do it myself.

So I ask the developers hereby, maybe it wil be possible to do that.

Again, I do not want to start any flamewars! IMO each user should decide for 
himself, what he wants to use. I want to use systemd, and I just intend with 
this message to improve systemd.

Thank you very much for reading this and any help.

Best regards

Hans


 


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Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Martin Steigerwald

Hello Hans!

Am Donnerstag, 30. Oktober 2014, 10:27:50 schrieb Hans:
 Dear maintainers,

You only reach the systemd maintainers by pure luck this way. I know one is 
subscribed to debian-user-german, I am not sure about debian-user.

I suggest you use BTS or dig for a debian systemd maintainers mailinglist or 
contact mail address.

And thanks for the friendly tone in your mail.

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Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Darac Marjal

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:27:50AM +0100, Hans wrote:
 Dear maintainers,
 
 completely without starting any flamewars: 
 
 I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well as 
 /var, /home, /boot and /.
 
 Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted. 
 
 Due to this profile, I get a lot of annoying errors, as systemd does not find 
 /usr when it is started, because it produces an error and then switches to 
 verbose mode. This is very annoying!
 
 For a new installation it might be ok, to put /usr on the root partition, but 
 I guess, there are a lot of systems in the world running a partition profile 
 like mine.
 
 Besides of the mentioned problem systemd is running well.
 
 I thought about this problem. Might it be possible, to change systemd in that 
 way, that it will start after all partitions are mounted? I know, it must be 
 done in the source code, but as I am no coder, I cannot do it myself.

I don't think this is possible because, for complex setups, you run into
a chicken-and-egg system. People are getting more and more creative
with where they put data and are wanting that data to become available
at boot. In the good old days, your file systems were on a local disk
and looking at /dev/hd* would be enough to find everything you wanted.
Then along came network file systems, and now you need the network to be
up before you can mount the file system. Then there are network block
devices (NBD, iSCSI etc), which you probably want to fsck before you
mount. There there are device-mappers (RAID, LVM etc) whereby those
network block devices might be agglomerated into a larger device (maybe
with local devices, maybe with other hosts which are also still
booting). And so on and so on.

Systemd, Upstart and other event-based init systems try to sidestep
most of this mess by not explicitly saying Mount local filesystems,
then bring up the network, then mount network filesystems, but rather,
they start some tasks (such as 'mount all' and 'start network') and as
pieces of the puzzle become available, this allows other tasks to
continue.

So, it's not *really* about This one arbitrary file system must be on
your root filesystem but rather All the programs needed to get any
system booted (because the design should accommodate as many people as
possible), should be available in a single place.

 
 So I ask the developers hereby, maybe it wil be possible to do that.
 
 Again, I do not want to start any flamewars! IMO each user should decide for 
 himself, what he wants to use. I want to use systemd, and I just intend with 
 this message to improve systemd.
 
 Thank you very much for reading this and any help.
 
 Best regards
 
 Hans
 
 
  
 
 
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Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Alex Mestiashvili


On 10/30/2014 10:27 AM, Hans wrote:

Dear maintainers,

completely without starting any flamewars:

I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well as
/var, /home, /boot and /.

Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted.

Due to this profile, I get a lot of annoying errors, as systemd does not find
/usr when it is started, because it produces an error and then switches to
verbose mode. This is very annoying!

For a new installation it might be ok, to put /usr on the root partition, but
I guess, there are a lot of systems in the world running a partition profile
like mine.

Besides of the mentioned problem systemd is running well.

I thought about this problem. Might it be possible, to change systemd in that
way, that it will start after all partitions are mounted? I know, it must be
done in the source code, but as I am no coder, I cannot do it myself.

So I ask the developers hereby, maybe it wil be possible to do that.

Again, I do not want to start any flamewars! IMO each user should decide for
himself, what he wants to use. I want to use systemd, and I just intend with
this message to improve systemd.

Thank you very much for reading this and any help.

Best regards

Hans


  




Hi Hans,
have a look on this link:

 http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken/

Best,
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Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread David Baron

On Thursday 30 October 2014 10:27:50 Hans wrote:
 Dear maintainers,
 
 completely without starting any flamewars:
 
 I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well
 as /var, /home, /boot and /.
 
 Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted.
 
 Due to this profile, I get a lot of annoying errors, as systemd does not
 find /usr when it is started, because it produces an error and then
 switches to verbose mode. This is very annoying!
 
 For a new installation it might be ok, to put /usr on the root partition,
 but I guess, there are a lot of systems in the world running a partition
 profile like mine.
 
 Besides of the mentioned problem systemd is running well.
 
 I thought about this problem. Might it be possible, to change systemd in
 that way, that it will start after all partitions are mounted? I know, it
 must be done in the source code, but as I am no coder, I cannot do it
 myself.
 
 So I ask the developers hereby, maybe it wil be possible to do that.
 
 Again, I do not want to start any flamewars! IMO each user should decide for
 himself, what he wants to use. I want to use systemd, and I just intend
 with this message to improve systemd.
 
 Thank you very much for reading this and any help.
 
 Best regards
 
 Hans

I think this problem should be resolved. I know the newer desirable keeping of 
/usr on /. However, I would bet 99% of existing multi-partition Debian 
installations have usr on a separate partition. Historically and even recent 
installations (not that I like the partitioning done by the installer, but 
...) I may move mine soon once I resolve some disk hardware issues but I 
should not have to do this just to get rid of a superfluous fail message and 
switch to verbose mode.

Aside from this issue, I am running systemd just fine!


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Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Hans


 Hi Hans,
 have a look on this link:
 
   http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken/
 
 Best,
 Alex

Yes, yes, I know that. I alreadfy filed a bugreport some weeks ago.
However, it is not really a bug, but more a failure by design, I think.

Hope, that the maintainers will change that.

Best 

Hans


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Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Hans

 
 I think this problem should be resolved. I know the newer desirable keeping
 of /usr on /. However, I would bet 99% of existing multi-partition Debian
 installations have usr on a separate partition. Historically and even
 recent installations (not that I like the partitioning done by the
 installer, but ...) I may move mine soon once I resolve some disk hardware
 issues but I should not have to do this just to get rid of a superfluous
 fail message and switch to verbose mode.
 
 Aside from this issue, I am running systemd just fine!

FULL ACK! Systemd is running fine on all my systems, too.
Except the thing I already mentioned. I think, the maintainers do not expect, 
repartitioning of all running systems, due to the /usr problem. There are 
obviously better ways, I think.

However, jessie is not far away from changing to stable, but that particular 
bug is IMO a big jessie-stopper.

Best 

Hans



 


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Re: multiple redmine sites

2014-10-30 Thread berenger . morel




Le 30.10.2014 10:42, Bram Diederik a écrit :

2014-10-29 17:19 GMT+01:00 :


Le 29.10.2014 16:11, Bram Diederik a écrit :


So, you probably should have one virtual host like

and the other one like

?

--
Yes and both there own FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID
setting. 

FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID default  for the 443 site

FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID dev  for the 3000 site


but both sites connect to the default site when i visit them
with
some browser


Can you show the whole exact content of your
/etc/apache2/sites-enabled please?
Could you also show the content of /etc/redmine/ (for i in $(find
/etc/redmine); do echo $i;cat $i;done will do the job)?


Oeps.. pressed the wrong button..
Lets try again

the /etc/redmine// configuration is not correct... I configured it
with dpkg-reconfigure ... I think thats the problem.. looking into it


I do not see something which would make problem in your apache's sites, 
so yes, maybe in redmine's configurations. If you have solved your 
issue, I would be interested to know the error you had, it might be 
useful someday :)



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Hi Scott. Thanks very much. I read it with interest and will keep it
for future reference but might not do anything now as the main problem
for me is solved and also I have got very busy suddenly with my
business and other commitments. Hope to get back to it, Steve

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Scott Ferguson
scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote:
Easily solvable - read on. :)

On 29/10/14 06:51, Eike Lantzsch wrote:
On Tuesday 28 October 2014 19:27:56 Steve Greig wrote:
Thanks Scott and Gary.

The problem is now largely sorted out as I have got VLC media player
to play audio cds now by opening it and asking it to play the cd in
the cd drive as Gary suggested. I have also discovered how to make VLC
display the tracks on the cd. Still if I go to dolphin it lists the
audio cd on the left but it does not respond in any way if you click
on it so you cant see the individual tracks on the cd.

I have found
that if I put a cd of photos in the drive then the name of the cd
appears on the left and when I click on that the individual photo
files appear. So it is looking like I can do most of what I would like
to which is great.

That's not related to the original problem.
Audio CDs have no filesystem.
Data CDs, like the one with your pictures on it do (iso9660).

I did try to do the install that Scott suggested as it would be nice
to have the audio tracks listed from within Dolphin although not
essential.

Playing CDs, and being able to view the virtual file system on an audio
CD in Dolphin, are two distinctly different things.

To view the virtual filesystem in Dolphin you *need*
kdemultimedia-kio-plugins installed.

It seems not to have worked. The following is the response
I got:

steve@debian:~$ su
Password:
root@debian:/home/steve# apt-get -y install kdemultimedia-kio-plugins
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Suggested packages:
lame
The following NEW packages wl be installed:
kdemultimedia-kio-plugins
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 81 not upgraded.
Need to get 128 kB of archives.
After this operation, 466 kB of additional disk space will be used.
WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
kdemultimedia-kio-plugins

This error is the result of *not* having installed the keys that allow
apt to check the authenticity of downloaded packages. You /could/ force
the over-riding of the authenticity check but it's strongly recommended
*not* to.

You likely debian-archive-keyring package installed. You can check with:-
dpkg --get-selections | grep debian-archive-keyring

If you get nothing from the above command you'll need to install it or
you will *not* be able to *securely* install *any* debian packages.
There are two ways of doing that:-

Easiest, least secure (as root):-
apt-get --force-yes install debian-archive-keyring

Better:-
1. Open the following link in your web browser:-
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=debian-keyringsearchon=namesexact=1suite=allsection=main

2. Follow the link matching the Debian release you have installed[*1]
(you don't tell us) and download that package:-
e.g. if you run wheezy, follow that link:-
https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/debian-keyring/download
to the mirrors page for that packages:-
https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/debian-keyring/download
and choose the nearest mirror nearest your location.

3. Download the appropriate package for your Debian release

4. Install the debian-archive-keyring. As root:-
dpkg -i debian-keyring_*_all.deb

Regardless of which method you use, you should now be able to install
kdemultimedia-kio-plugins without a security warning. You'll then be
able to view the virtual CD audio filesystem.

*Important*
Not having the keyring installed may have caused you to miss updates.
After installing the keyring as root:-

1. Update the package database:-
apt-get update

2. Check for updates (but don't install them - yet[*2]):-
apt-get -s upgrade | more

3. Page through (by pressing the space bar) what will happen if you
upgrade your packages. If nothing you care about is going to be removed
- proceed with the upgrade:-
apt-get -y upgrade

[*1] If you don't know what release you have installed, run the
following as a normal user:-
lsb_release -sc

[*2] As you didn't have debian-keyring installed it's possible you have
other problems. If you'd like help checking your sources.list run the
following as a normal user and post the output:-
cat /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}|grep '^[^$\|^#\|^\s*\#]'

E: There are problems and -y was used without --force-yes
root@debian:/home/steve#t would be nice to have a list of tracks on
the cd but maybe not essential.

Follow the above instructions and you *will* have that ability. :)

Thanks again to you both for your help. I am pretty happy with the
situation now but open to any more suggestions or comments.

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey

On 10/30/14, Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote:

I think this problem should be resolved. I know the newer desirable
keeping
of /usr on /. However, I would bet 99% of existing multi-partition Debian
installations have usr on a separate partition. Historically and even
recent installations (not that I like the partitioning done by the
installer, but ...) I may move mine soon once I resolve some disk
hardware
issues but I should not have to do this just to get rid of a superfluous
fail message and switch to verbose mode.

Aside from this issue, I am running systemd just fine!

FULL ACK! Systemd is running fine on all my systems, too.
Except the thing I already mentioned. I think, the maintainers do not
expect,
repartitioning of all running systems, due to the /usr problem. There are
obviously better ways, I think.

However, jessie is not far away from changing to stable, but that
particular
bug is IMO a big jessie-stopper.

My (occasionally) unhumble opinion is this sounds like a notable #FAIL
before the system ever even gets its engine running. Makes one wonder
what else might silently glitch just beyond sight or log files and as
a direct result of this.

Sounds like this creates a possibility for highly important system
wide [symlinks] to /usr and similarly affected directories to miss
making their connections at a critical moment. Is there some kind of
testing that could be done to extensively... well... test that aspect?

Isn't systemd where someone was upset about remarkably long boot times
early on in these recent discussions? Maybe at least one part of their
issue could be traced to this... or not. :)

Cindy :)

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Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Laurent Bigonville

Le Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:27:50 +0100,
Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de a écrit :

 Dear maintainers,
 
 completely without starting any flamewars: 
 
 I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as
 well as /var, /home, /boot and /.
 
 Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted. 
 
 Due to this profile, I get a lot of annoying errors, as systemd does
 not find /usr when it is started, because it produces an error and
 then switches to verbose mode. This is very annoying!
 
 For a new installation it might be ok, to put /usr on the root
 partition, but I guess, there are a lot of systems in the world
 running a partition profile like mine.
 
 Besides of the mentioned problem systemd is running well.
 
 I thought about this problem. Might it be possible, to change systemd
 in that way, that it will start after all partitions are mounted? I
 know, it must be done in the source code, but as I am no coder, I
 cannot do it myself.
 
 So I ask the developers hereby, maybe it wil be possible to do that.

I bet you are running jessie/testing?

This issue should be fixed in initramfs-tools = 0.117 that is
currently in unstable (and unfortunately blocked by some RC bugs).

The newer version include the following change:

  * Mount /usr if present in the /etc/fstab on the mounted rootfs
(Closes: #652459)

I personally really hope this change will make it into jessie.

Cheers,

Laurent Bigonville


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Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:27:50AM +0100, Hans wrote:
 I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as
 well as /var, /home, /boot and /.
 
 Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted. 

If you want this to work, you need to ensure that /usr is mounted by the
initramfs. That means moving the cryptsetup prompting into the initramfs
if it isn't there already. I do not know to what extent the Debian tools
for building an initramfs, or the cryptsetup stuff, will help you to get
this set up right.

 I thought about this problem. Might it be possible, to change systemd
 in that way, that it will start after all partitions are mounted? I
 know, it must be done in the source code, but as I am no coder, I
 cannot do it myself.

Not really, since systemd is the first thing started by the kernel, with
one exception: work done in the initramfs. The point of the initramfs is
to ensure that whatever the kernel needs to mount the root filesystem
is available to it, so that can be done prior to starting init. If you
are splitting the root partition up by having a separate /usr, then the
initramfs needs to ensure /usr is available too.

It might be possible to enhance the cryptsetup/mkinitramfs stuff in
Debian to make this easier.


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Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Peter Nieman


On 30/10/14 11:35, David Baron wrote:

I think this problem should be resolved. I know the newer desirable keeping of
/usr on /. However, I would bet 99% of existing multi-partition Debian
installations have usr on a separate partition. Historically and even recent
installations (not that I like the partitioning done by the installer, but
) I may move mine soon once I resolve some disk hardware issues but I
should not have to do this just to get rid of a superfluous fail message and
switch to verbose mode.


When I installed Squeeze on a new PC three years ago I blindly followed 
the installer's partitioning advice since I thought the Debian 
developers would certainly know better than me. One Debian version later 
I found out that my root partition had probably been created much too 
small because it couldn't even hold two different kernels. Another 
Debian version later, a young man, Mr. Poettering, tells the Debian 
developers that the partitioning scheme they always recommended was 
broken. I guess I can now look forward to learning whether an upgrade 
to Jessie - should I ever attempt one and not go back to Slackware or 
try another OS out of desperation - will fail due to lack of disk space 
or lack of compatibility with existing partitioning schemes. OMG.



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Re: Canoscan Lide 210 Scanner

2014-10-30 Thread Doug


On 10/30/2014 03:16 AM, Johann Spies wrote:

This is not Debian specific, but as I experienced it on Debian and initially 
thought that it might be a Debian problem, it may help some other users.

I recently bought the scanner specified in the subject line after reading that the saned 
team claims it has complete  support. I first tried it out on my Desktop 
which has something like 8 usb2 ports.  I had limited success and was frustrated.  Then I 
took it to work and tested it with my work laptop with 4 usb2 ports and it worked without 
a problem.

At home I tested it on my other Debian laptop which have two usb3-ports and two 
usb2 ports.  On the USB-3 port I experienced the same problems I had on my 
Desktop.  Moving the connection to a usb2-port everything worked as expected.

My thought on this is that on the Desktop there was not enough power coming 
through the usb-port and on the usb3-port there the power was too much.

This scanner only works with the electricity it gets through the usb-connection.

Regards
Johann

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my lips will praise you.  (Psalm 63:3)


As a retired engineer, I can tell you that the power was too much is 
ridiculous. Assuming the voltage is correct--which it ought to be, to keep from
blowing up whatever is plugged into the port, there cannot be too much power. 
Power is determined by voltage and current: voltage (in volts) times
current (in amps) equals power (in watts). The voltage, we have determined here 
is constant--5VDC. The current is determined by the resistance of the
load--current = voltage divided by resistance (in ohms). Any electrical device 
has resistance. In this case, it's your scanner. You have no way to measure
that resistance, but it will be determined by the characteristics of the 
device. For instance, there is probably a passive resistance, when the scanner
is not scanning. Then there will be a dynamic resistance, a value determined by 
the amount of current the scanning motor requires. (Actually determined
by the number of turns and size of wire in the scanning motor.)

You may be correct, however, in thinking that one computer has too little 
power. If the load--i.e., the scanner--tries to draw more current than the
power supply can produce, the voltage will drop, and the scanning motor will 
not run, or the lamp may become too dim, or some combination of things.

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Re: multiple redmine sites

2014-10-30 Thread Bram Diederik

2014-10-30 13:02 GMT+01:00 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org:



 Le 30.10.2014 10:42, Bram Diederik a écrit :

 2014-10-29 17:19 GMT+01:00 :

  Le 29.10.2014 16:11, Bram Diederik a écrit :

  So, you probably should have one virtual host like

 and the other one like

 ?

 --
 Yes and both there own FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID
 setting.

 FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID default  for the 443 site

 FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID dev  for the 3000 site


 but both sites connect to the default site when i visit them
 with
 some browser


 Can you show the whole exact content of your
 /etc/apache2/sites-enabled please?
 Could you also show the content of /etc/redmine/ (for i in $(find
 /etc/redmine); do echo $i;cat $i;done will do the job)?


 Oeps.. pressed the wrong button..
 Lets try again

 the /etc/redmine// configuration is not correct... I configured it
 with dpkg-reconfigure ... I think thats the problem.. looking into it


 I do not see something which would make problem in your apache's sites, so
 yes, maybe in redmine's configurations. If you have solved your issue, I
 would be interested to know the error you had, it might be useful someday :)


it seems there are multiple issues with multiple redmine configurations..
dpkg-reconfigure redmine fails configuring multiple sites
and the FcgidInitialEnv X_DEBIAN_SITEID  setting does nothing.
I give up this redmine feature and gona use an virtual machine..

Re: Canoscan Lide 210 Scanner

2014-10-30 Thread Jerry Stuckle

On 10/30/2014 3:16 AM, Johann Spies wrote:
 This is not Debian specific, but as I experienced it on Debian and
 initially thought that it might be a Debian problem, it may help some
 other users.
 
 I recently bought the scanner specified in the subject line after
 reading that the saned team claims it has complete  support. I first
 tried it out on my Desktop which has something like 8 usb2 ports.  I had
 limited success and was frustrated.  Then I took it to work and tested
 it with my work laptop with 4 usb2 ports and it worked without a problem.
 
 At home I tested it on my other Debian laptop which have two usb3-ports
 and two usb2 ports.  On the USB-3 port I experienced the same problems I
 had on my Desktop.  Moving the connection to a usb2-port everything
 worked as expected.
 
 My thought on this is that on the Desktop there was not enough power
 coming through the usb-port and on the usb3-port there the power was too
 much.
 
 This scanner only works with the electricity it gets through the
 usb-connection.
 
 Regards
 Johann
 
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 Because experiencing your loyal love is better than life itself,
 my lips will praise you.  (Psalm 63:3)

There is no such thing as too much power, as long as the voltage is
the same.  The scanner will only draw what it needs at a particular
voltage.  As long as the source provides sufficient power, it should work.

Too much power would be like plugging your TV into a 15 amp circuit
and it works fine.  But plugging it into a 20 amp circuit (more power
available) would cause it not to work.  It doesn't happen.

Jerry


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Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread David Baron

On Thursday 30 October 2014 15:35:53 Peter Nieman wrote:
 On 30/10/14 11:35, David Baron wrote:
  I think this problem should be resolved. I know the newer desirable
  keeping of /usr on /. However, I would bet 99% of existing
  multi-partition Debian installations have usr on a separate partition.
  Historically and even recent installations (not that I like the
  partitioning done by the installer, but ) I may move mine soon once I
  resolve some disk hardware issues but I should not have to do this just
  to get rid of a superfluous fail message and switch to verbose mode.
 
 When I installed Squeeze on a new PC three years ago I blindly followed
 the installer's partitioning advice since I thought the Debian
 developers would certainly know better than me. One Debian version later
 I found out that my root partition had probably been created much too
 small because it couldn't even hold two different kernels. Another
 Debian version later, a young man, Mr. Poettering, tells the Debian
 developers that the partitioning scheme they always recommended was
 broken. I guess I can now look forward to learning whether an upgrade
 to Jessie - should I ever attempt one and not go back to Slackware or
 try another OS out of desperation - will fail due to lack of disk space
 or lack of compatibility with existing partitioning schemes. OMG.

I already moved my / partition once to be able to have more than one kernel.
I have opt bound to a folder on my huge home.
I have usr/local similarly bound because usr is also on the small side.
/var is too small as well but so far operational.

So that partitioning scheme is  (I do not use such language).
So let's have newer installers do it right, also with /usr.
Meanwhile I need to do something about the mess the installer gave me.


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Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Marty


On 10/30/2014 10:14 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:27:50AM +0100, Hans wrote:

I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as
well as /var, /home, /boot and /.

Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted.


If you want this to work, you need to ensure that /usr is mounted by the
initramfs. That means moving the cryptsetup prompting into the initramfs
if it isn't there already. I do not know to what extent the Debian tools
for building an initramfs, or the cryptsetup stuff, will help you to get
this set up right.


I thought about this problem. Might it be possible, to change systemd
in that way, that it will start after all partitions are mounted? I
know, it must be done in the source code, but as I am no coder, I
cannot do it myself.


Not really, since systemd is the first thing started by the kernel, with
one exception: work done in the initramfs. The point of the initramfs is
to ensure that whatever the kernel needs to mount the root filesystem
is available to it, so that can be done prior to starting init. If you
are splitting the root partition up by having a separate /usr, then the
initramfs needs to ensure /usr is available too.

It might be possible to enhance the cryptsetup/mkinitramfs stuff in
Debian to make this easier.


I'm still learning about this. Can you help me make sense of the 
following link, which seems to be saying the problem was solved long ago?


http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2011-March/001499.html


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Re: Problem with external monitor

2014-10-30 Thread Curt

On 2014-10-30, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello.

 I have just realised the presence, and, extent of the presence, of the
 spelling/typographical errors in the last previous message that I
 posted about this; above, so am posting it again, hopefully with all
 of the errors corrected.


I'm afraid your grade can't be modified at this point however
grammatically laudable your continued efforts.


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Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread berenger . morel




Le 30.10.2014 15:35, Peter Nieman a écrit :

On 30/10/14 11:35, David Baron wrote:
I think this problem should be resolved. I know the newer desirable 
keeping of
/usr on /. However, I would bet 99% of existing multi-partition 
Debian
installations have usr on a separate partition. Historically and 
even recent
installations (not that I like the partitioning done by the 
installer, but
) I may move mine soon once I resolve some disk hardware issues 
but I
should not have to do this just to get rid of a superfluous fail 
message and

switch to verbose mode.


When I installed Squeeze on a new PC three years ago I blindly
followed the installer's partitioning advice since I thought the
Debian developers would certainly know better than me. One Debian
version later I found out that my root partition had probably been
created much too small because it couldn't even hold two different
kernels. Another Debian version later, a young man, Mr. Poettering,
tells the Debian developers that the partitioning scheme they always
recommended was broken. I guess I can now look forward to learning
whether an upgrade to Jessie - should I ever attempt one and not go
back to Slackware or try another OS out of desperation - will fail 
due

to lack of disk space or lack of compatibility with existing
partitioning schemes. OMG.


Hum... I think I always have seen the installer on all in one 
partition (beginners)?
If you have selected this one, then, you should not have problems 
because of stuff not mounted.



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Re: Problem with external monitor

2014-10-30 Thread Jape Person


On 10/30/2014 01:02 PM, Curt wrote:

On 2014-10-30, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello.

I have just realised the presence, and, extent of the presence, of the
spelling/typographical errors in the last previous message that I
posted about this; above, so am posting it again, hopefully with all
of the errors corrected.



I'm afraid your grade can't be modified at this point however
grammatically laudable your continued efforts.



This -- made me smile.

Curt at his succinct and pithy best.

As for you, Bret. I'm going to try to find an extra monitor around here 
this weekend to see if I can find a) your problem, and b) a solution. 
I'll also have to do a little spelunking in the message archive to see 
if I have any chance of roughly duplicating your hardware setup.


I've used multiple monitors in testing before with various graphics 
subsystems and don't remember any drama. I quit only because I'm 
probably better off not seeing one monitor well than not seeing two 
monitors well.


Dangit, old age. For all I know there was *lots* of drama, and I just 
don't remember it!


Jape


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network-console debian-installer reset password

2014-10-30 Thread Podrigal, Aron

Where does the debian installer save the items that have already been
preceeded?

I have set a password for ssh to continue the installation remotely and
forgot it, and I can't redo that step as it's removed from the installer
list, how can I reset the password or rerun the network-console
configuration?

Re: Preventing the computer from shutting down.

2014-10-30 Thread Doug


On 10/30/2014 02:11 PM, Mario Castelán Castro wrote:

Hello.

I can set up a script for backup with cron or anacron, but how can I prevent 
the computer from shutting down while the backup is being performed so as to 
not to leave it incomplete?.

Regards.



One simple way that does not require any coding at all is to buy a small device called a 
Mouse Jiggler which seems to sell for about $16. It is a
usb dongle thing that moves the mouse a very tine bit continuously.It does 
not prevent use of the actual mouse while it is jiggling, btw. I see by
Google there is some small app that can be applied to a Windows system that 
will do the same thing without the plug-in gadget. It was made, I think, so
you could watch a movie without having to move the mouse every so often. I'm 
sure someone must have written something for Linux which would be what
you're looking for, but the pclos repo doesn't seem to have it. Meanwhile the 
hardware solution works perfectly.

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Problems with greylistd and exim and gmail

2014-10-30 Thread Virgo Pärna


Can anyone suggest how to whitelist gmail servers for greylisting, when 
I'm using exim + greylistd. 
I seem to be having problem with /etc/greylistd/whitelist-hosts file: 
however I describe a server in it, messages are still greylisted. I have tried
209.85.216.0/24 and like that and simply 209.85.216 and 209.85.128.0/17 and 
209.85.128/17 in that file. And I'm also unable to find solid information on
how to set it up.

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Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Peter Nieman


On 30/10/14 17:48, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:

Hum... I think I always have seen the installer on all in one partition
(beginners)?
If you have selected this one, then, you should not have problems
because of stuff not mounted.


I guess you're right that there was an option to have everything in one 
partition. Frankly, I don't remember what the installer menu in Squeeze 
looked like. But anyway, what's the meaning of all in one partition 
(beginners)? I wasn't a beginner at that time, so maybe I thought 
that this option doesn't apply to me. ;-)


A couple of years ago the advice given by most experts in newsgroups, 
Linux books etc. was to *not* put everything in one partition, and the 
installer definitely didn't recommend the opposite or even warn against 
it. And the partition sizes suggested by the installer were wrong.



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Re: Preventing the computer from shutting down.

2014-10-30 Thread Don Armstrong

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014, Mario Castelán Castro wrote:
 I can set up a script for backup with cron or anacron, but how can I
 prevent the computer from shutting down while the backup is being
 performed so as to not to leave it incomplete?.

If you're using systemd, this can be done using systemd-inhibit. See
http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-inhibit.html
for details.

Quickly:

systemd-inhibit --who='backup script' --why='backup is running currently' \
 --mode=block yourbackupscript;

Otherwise, you can add in an init scripts which runs in rc6 and rc0, and
blocks until the backup is done. That's kind of hacky, but should work.

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Re: Preventing the computer from shutting down.

2014-10-30 Thread Laurent Bigonville

Le Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:11:25 -0600,
Mario Castelán Castro marioxcc...@yandex.com a écrit :

 Hello.

Hello,

 I can set up a script for backup with cron or anacron, but how can I 
 prevent the computer from shutting down while the backup is being 
 performed so as to not to leave it incomplete?.

If you are using systemd, you can use systemd-inhibit command to do
this.


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Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Elimar Riesebieter

* Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de [2014-10-30 10:27 +0100]:

 Dear maintainers,
 
 completely without starting any flamewars: 
 
 I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well as 
 /var, /home, /boot and /.
 
 Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted. 
 
 Due to this profile, I get a lot of annoying errors, as systemd does not find 
 /usr when it is started, because it produces an error and then switches to 
 verbose mode. This is very annoying!

To mount /usr at boottime you need to boot with an initramfs.

Therefor you need at least

ii  initramfs-tools  0.118
ii  util-linux   2.25.2-2

which are available in sid. I don't know wheather this works on an
encrypted /usr, but at the end it works on sysvinit, upstart and
systemd. Check the BTS for initramfs-tools and util-linux.

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Preventing the computer from shutting down.

2014-10-30 Thread Mario Castelán Castro


Hello.

I can set up a script for backup with cron or anacron, but how can I 
prevent the computer from shutting down while the backup is being 
performed so as to not to leave it incomplete?.


Regards.


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Re: Problem with external monitor

On 31/10/2014, Jape Person jap...@comcast.net wrote:
On 10/30/2014 01:02 PM, Curt wrote:
On 2014-10-30, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello.

I have just realised the presence, and, extent of the presence, of the
spelling/typographical errors in the last previous message that I
posted about this; above, so am posting it again, hopefully with all
of the errors corrected.

I'm afraid your grade can't be modified at this point however
grammatically laudable your continued efforts.

This -- made me smile.

Curt at his succinct and pithy best.

As for you, Bret. I'm going to try to find an extra monitor around here
this weekend to see if I can find a) your problem, and b) a solution.
I'll also have to do a little spelunking in the message archive to see
if I have any chance of roughly duplicating your hardware setup.

I've used multiple monitors in testing before with various graphics
subsystems and don't remember any drama. I quit only because I'm
probably better off not seeing one monitor well than not seeing two
monitors well.

Dangit, old age. For all I know there was *lots* of drama, and I just
don't remember it!

Jape

Hello.

I hope that the information below, is helpful.

The problem computer is an Acer v3 772 laptop computer, running Debian
7 .x and LXDE, now with bumblebee installed; the noveau version of
bumblebee, did not work, so I installed the nvidia version of
bumblebee, and that still did not work, and that system has an NVidia
GEForce GT750M graphics accelerator.

It does not detect the external monitor.

The external monitor runs okay with Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS, on the same
hardware, regarding which, from a previous message;

However, from Ubuntu 14.04.1.LTS, which I have now installed, and got
the external monitor working, and display output directed to only that
monitor, I have

bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772:~$ lspci -nn | grep VGA
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4th Gen
Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0416] (rev 06)

From the Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS lshw output, I get

*-pci:0
description: PCI bridge
product: Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor PCI
Express x16 Controller
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 1
bus info: pci@:00:01.0
version: 06
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pci normal_decode bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=pcieport
resources: irq:40 ioport:4000(size=4096)
memory:d200-d2ff ioport:a000(size=536870912)
*-display
description: 3D controller
product: GK107M [GeForce GT 750M]
vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
physical id: 0
bus info: pci@:01:00.0
version: a1
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: bus_master cap_list rom
configuration: driver=nouveau latency=0
resources: irq:51 memory:d200-d2ff
memory:a000-afff memory:b000-b1ff
ioport:4000(size=128) memory:b200-b207
*-display
description: VGA compatible controller
product: 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
vendor: Intel Corporation
physical id: 2
bus info: pci@:00:02.0
version: 06
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
resources: irq:48 memory:d300-d33f
memory:c000-cfff ioport:5000(size=64)

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Re: Problem with external monitor

On 31/10/2014, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote:
 On 2014-10-30, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello.

 I have just realised the presence, and, extent of the presence, of the
 spelling/typographical errors in the last previous message that I
 posted about this; above, so am posting it again, hopefully with all
 of the errors corrected.


 I'm afraid your grade can't be modified at this point however
 grammatically laudable your continued efforts.


?

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LVM on two disks - spin down?

2014-10-30 Thread b-misc

Hi all,

If I have a LVM which uses two partitions on two different disks and at least 
one of its subvolumes is always in use, can the second disk spin down?

An example showing what I mean:
 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _  _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
|/dev/sda1  ||/dev/sdb1  |
|_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _||_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _|


lvmGrp  =  /dev/sda1 + /dev/sdb1
 _ _ _ _   _ _ _   _ _ _ _ _ _
|lvm1   | |lvm2 ||lvm3   |
|_ _ _ _| |_ _ _||_ _ _ _ _ _|

So since sdb is new, if I add lvm3 it will be on sdb1 and not sda1, correct?; 
if I don't mount lvm3 automatically, can sdb spin down although lvm1 and lvm2 
are used?

The reason for this setup is the possibility to extend e.g. lvm2 later with 
space on sdb1 if it is really required without any re-formatting. (Of course I 
will loose the spin down then, but for the time being I'd take care of my new 
disk.)

Thanks in advance...

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Re: Problems with greylistd and exim and gmail

2014-10-30 Thread Mark Carroll

Virgo Pärna virgo.pa...@mail.ee writes:

 Can anyone suggest how to whitelist gmail servers for greylisting, when 
 I'm using exim + greylistd. 
 I seem to be having problem with /etc/greylistd/whitelist-hosts file: 
 however I describe a server in it, messages are still greylisted. I have tried
 209.85.216.0/24 and like that and simply 209.85.216 and 209.85.128.0/17 and 
 209.85.128/17 in that file. And I'm also unable to find solid information on
 how to set it up.

Interesting: just this past few days, I started having problems --
greylistd kept giving 451's to MTAs I thought whitelisted. I did have
entries in /etc/greylistd/whitelist-hosts but it seems to have helped to
add an entry instead to /var/lib/greylistd/whitelist-hosts. For now for
gmail users I have 209.85.192.0/18 in there, which seems to be working
fine until I investigate more carefully. I am wondering what caused the
old entry to stop working and how I ought to have fixed it.

-- Mark


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Re: Preventing the computer from shutting down.

2014-10-30 Thread Mario Castelán Castro


El 30/10/14 12:31, Doug escribió:

On 10/30/2014 02:11 PM, Mario Castelán Castro wrote:

Hello.

I can set up a script for backup with cron or anacron, but how can I
prevent the computer from shutting down while the backup is being
performed so as to not to leave it incomplete?.

Regards.



One simple way that does not require any coding at all is to buy a small
device called a Mouse Jiggler which seems to sell for about $16. It is a
usb dongle thing that moves the mouse a very tine bit continuously.It
does not prevent use of the actual mouse while it is jiggling, btw. I
see by
Google there is some small app that can be applied to a Windows system
that will do the same thing without the plug-in gadget. It was made, I
think, so
you could watch a movie without having to move the mouse every so often.
I'm sure someone must have written something for Linux which would be what
you're looking for, but the pclos repo doesn't seem to have it.
Meanwhile the hardware solution works perfectly.

--doug


Thanks you for the answer, but it don't solves my problem. I should have 
explained my request better. What I want to accomplish is to disable 
shutting down the computer through the LXDE button and through the 
command line with poweroff/halt/shutdown. Ideally all means to shut down 
the computer would display a message that a backup is being performed, 
instead of shutting it down, bout would still allow me (any user who 
normally would be able to shut down the computer) to force a shutdown or 
restart.


Regards.


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Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

2014-10-30 Thread Joe

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:30:54 +0100
Peter Nieman gmane-a...@t-online.de wrote:

 On 30/10/14 17:48, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
  Hum... I think I always have seen the installer on all in one
  partition (beginners)?
  If you have selected this one, then, you should not have problems
  because of stuff not mounted.
 
 I guess you're right that there was an option to have everything in
 one partition. Frankly, I don't remember what the installer menu in
 Squeeze looked like. But anyway, what's the meaning of all in one
 partition (beginners)? I wasn't a beginner at that time, so maybe
 I thought that this option doesn't apply to me. ;-)
 
 A couple of years ago the advice given by most experts in newsgroups, 
 Linux books etc. was to *not* put everything in one partition, and
 the installer definitely didn't recommend the opposite or even warn
 against it.

You learn as you go. The general rule of thumb is that there's not much
to be gained on a workstation by using multiple partitions, though some
people maintain that a swap partition is a little better than a swap
file. I believe the 'all-in-one' installer option still uses a separate
swap partition.

On a server, running unattended most of the time, you really don't want
a problem which generates large amounts of /var stuff to shut down the
computer, so at least /var ought to be separate. There was once a
theory that /usr would be read-only and contain user applications,
possibly for multiple users on a networked system. In reality, a lot of
system stuff seems to have spilled over into /usr, and even /bin
and /sbin are supposed to be symlinked from it, so it needs to be
available during boot. I wasn't able recently to find any instructions
for mounting it during boot, so the easy way is to keep it in /.

 And the partition sizes suggested by the installer were
 wrong.
 
 
Funny, that. Though not nearly as funny as with Windows, where the
system partition is *always* underspecified, a full system partition
means a reinstall, and log files are kept under the same top-level
directory as library binaries...

Yes, a few hundred megs were always OK for / if /usr and /var were
separate, but now the modules for a single kernel are well over 100MB,
and with Linux it's always a good idea to keep a spare kernel around. 
/lib, where the modules live, absolutely has to be available at boot.

As to /home, it's useful to keep that separate if you expect to
reinstall, but in any case, /home will be regularly backed up somewhere
offline, won't it?

-- 
Joe


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Re: Problem with external monitor

2014-10-30 Thread Jape Person


On 10/30/2014 03:13 PM, Bret Busby wrote:

On 31/10/2014, Jape Person jap...@comcast.net wrote:

On 10/30/2014 01:02 PM, Curt wrote:

On 2014-10-30, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello.

I have just realised the presence, and, extent of the presence, of the
spelling/typographical errors in the last previous message that I
posted about this; above, so am posting it again, hopefully with all
of the errors corrected.



I'm afraid your grade can't be modified at this point however
grammatically laudable your continued efforts.



This -- made me smile.

Curt at his succinct and pithy best.

As for you, Bret. I'm going to try to find an extra monitor around here
this weekend to see if I can find a) your problem, and b) a solution.
I'll also have to do a little spelunking in the message archive to see
if I have any chance of roughly duplicating your hardware setup.

I've used multiple monitors in testing before with various graphics
subsystems and don't remember any drama. I quit only because I'm
probably better off not seeing one monitor well than not seeing two
monitors well.

Dangit, old age. For all I know there was *lots* of drama, and I just
don't remember it!

Jape




Hello.

I hope that the information below, is helpful.

The problem computer is an Acer v3 772 laptop computer, running Debian
7 .x and LXDE, now with bumblebee installed; the noveau version of
bumblebee, did not work, so I installed the nvidia version of
bumblebee, and that still did not work, and that system has an NVidia
GEForce GT750M graphics accelerator.

It does not detect the external monitor.

The external monitor runs okay with Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS, on the same
hardware, regarding which, from a previous message;


However, from Ubuntu 14.04.1.LTS, which I have now installed, and got
the external monitor working, and display output directed to only that
monitor, I have


bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772:~$ lspci -nn | grep VGA
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 4th Gen
Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0416] (rev 06)


From the Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS lshw output, I get



*-pci:0
  description: PCI bridge
  product: Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor PCI
Express x16 Controller
  vendor: Intel Corporation
  physical id: 1
  bus info: pci@:00:01.0
  version: 06
  width: 32 bits
  clock: 33MHz
  capabilities: pci normal_decode bus_master cap_list
  configuration: driver=pcieport
  resources: irq:40 ioport:4000(size=4096)
memory:d200-d2ff ioport:a000(size=536870912)
*-display
 description: 3D controller
 product: GK107M [GeForce GT 750M]
 vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
 physical id: 0
 bus info: pci@:01:00.0
 version: a1
 width: 64 bits
 clock: 33MHz
 capabilities: bus_master cap_list rom
 configuration: driver=nouveau latency=0
 resources: irq:51 memory:d200-d2ff
memory:a000-afff memory:b000-b1ff
ioport:4000(size=128) memory:b200-b207
 *-display
  description: VGA compatible controller
  product: 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
  vendor: Intel Corporation
  physical id: 2
  bus info: pci@:00:02.0
  version: 06
  width: 64 bits
  clock: 33MHz
  capabilities: vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
  configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
  resources: irq:48 memory:d300-d33f
memory:c000-cfff ioport:5000(size=64)





Oh, rats! I had mixed up your situation and one that I saw on a forum. 
Yeah, there's no chance I can match that hardware setup. I'm guessing 
that later kernels are going to support that video hardware just fine.


I will still do some noodling around this weekend to see if I can come 
up with a bright idea -- or even a dumb one. But I'm afraid I'm not 
going to be of much use to you.


I'm sorry.

Jape


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Re: Problem with external monitor