Running 32 bit apps on 64 bit debian

[Van Snyder]

I'm trying run 32 bit LinuxSusser on 64 bit Debian 12 bookworm.

When I try to run it, I get
./LinuxSusser: Command not found.

"ls -l ./LinuxSusser" respnds
-rwxr-xr-x 1 vsnyder vsnyder 12698092 Feb  8  2013  LinuxSusser*

"dpkg --print-architecture" responds amd64
"dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" responds i386

"file ./LinuxSusser" responds
./LinuxSusser:  ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1
(SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for
GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped

but "ldd ./LinuxSusser" responds "not a dynamic executable"

I used to run it in Debian 10.

What am I doing wrong?

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[Brad Rogers]

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:20:49 +
Joe  wrote:

Hello Joe,

>currently, selecting an email in the list marks it as read, which is not

Can be altered in Prefs.
 Display; Summaries Message list tab "Mark message as read" section.

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Re: Part II dd copy destroyed DVD

[tomas]

On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 10:38:16PM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 10:17 PM Max Nikulin  wrote:
> 
> > On 18/11/2023 23:35, Marco Moock wrote:
> > > it maybe a stupid DRM?
> >
> > ... or a blank disk because nothing has been written there.
> >
> > AW: Anybody familiar with dd (copy)? Sat, 4 Nov 2023 13:28:16 +
> >
> > https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/as8pr10mb742781d572af09e5dc874f1dc5...@as8pr10mb7427.eurprd10.prod.outlook.com
> > >  I did burn a DVD.
> > > Burning did make a bug.
> >
> 
> How big is the iso file? If it is larger than 4.7GB then it will be too
> large to write to disk.

I lost track: does the OP have a crippled file system
like that?

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Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

[David Wright]

On Sat 18 Nov 2023 at 23:24:25 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2023-11-18 00:20:25 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > On Fri 17 Nov 2023 at 13:30:32 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > On 2023-11-16 14:04:29 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > > > On Thu 16 Nov 2023 at 13:02:28 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > > > In any case, if a package is renamed (which particularly applies to
> > > > > unstable, I don't know about backports), I would expect reportbug
> > > > > to also consider the new name for a newer version of the package.
> > > > > In short, its search for newer versions should be based on the
> > > > > source package rather than the binary package.
> > > > 
> > > > As I said above, I don't know whether they apply any fuzziness to the
> > > > version numbers in view of the multiplicity of linux-image versions
> > > > (and sources). As far as a 'rename' is concerned, I don't think that
> > > > linux-image has changed name since it was kernel-image in sarge.
> > > 
> > > The name of the binary package frequently changes. This is why Tixy
> > > said "Because it's a different package?".
> > 
> > Tixy said that because the bookworm-backports packages are
> > called "linux-image-6.4.0…" which are all from a different kernel
> > source.
> 
> He didn't explain. So I thought that he meant the usual rename of
> the binary packages from the same kernel source.

As I wrote elsewhere, I think we're using the 'rename' differently.

> > I would call linux-image-x.y.z-386 → linux-image-x.y.z-486
> > and suchlike a name change.
> > 
> > > > > Note that for the Packages files, reportbug just uses the files from
> > > > > the /var/lib/apt/lists directory, but I don't have anything matching
> > > > > *bullseye* there.
> > > > 
> > > > I didn't know that, and at least one post in this thread suggests
> > > > otherwise.
> > > 
> > > I'm wondering why you think that.
> > 
> > Only because Greg wrote ‘What it said was "Hey, I looked on the
> > internets and I saw this other kernel that might be newer than the
> > one you're running, so maybe you wanna check this other kernel first
> > and see if it's still got the same bug, before you report this."’
> 
> This does not necessarily mean that it fetches Packages files there.
> There are various means to get package information on the web.

I wasn't implying that reportbug downloaded Packages files from
anywhere. You might have thought I did because /I/ downloaded the
backports Packages file, but that was because I don't know how to
use your 'various means' to get package information from the web.

My point was that Greg's post suggested reportbug could range much
further afield than your computer's APT lists and sources.list.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

[David Wright]

On Sat 18 Nov 2023 at 23:33:59 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2023-11-18 09:18:56 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > The "6.1.0-" part comes from the upstream release series.  All the
> > kernel images containing "6.1.0-" in this section should come from the
> > same upstream series (6.1.x), and should have basically the same feature
> > set, with no major changes.
> 
> BTW, since this is for 6.1.x, I've always wondered why Debian uses the
> "6.1.0-" prefix instead of "6.1-". The "6.1.0" is a bit confusing.

So as not to confuse and break software that's hardwired to expect
three numbers in any linux kernel version.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

[David Wright]

On Sat 18 Nov 2023 at 15:29:51 (+0100), steve wrote:
> Le 18-11-2023, à 09:18:56 -0500, Greg Wooledge a écrit :
> > On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 12:24:30AM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > > On Fri 17 Nov 2023 at 14:07:54 (+), Tixy wrote:
> > > > At time of writing, that depended on package in stable is called
> > > > 'linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64' and the version of that package is
> > > > '6.1.55-1'. This is the kernel installed on my machine.
> > > 
> > > And AIUI that version is the upstream source version, and a Debian
> > > counter for that source. The counter is rarely used, AFAICT, and can
> > > cause consternation when it is, because it means the kernel gets
> > > upgraded 'in place', making it tricky to revert if you wanted to.
> > > (That shouldn't normally be necessary.) And I'm sure you know all
> > > this, or something like it.
> > 
> > Debian kernel images have a complex naming system, to be sure.  Let's
> > look at the package name first: linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64
> > 
> > The "linux-image-" part is obvious.  That's static.
> > 
> > The "6.1.0-" part comes from the upstream release series.  All the
> > kernel images containing "6.1.0-" in this section should come from the
> > same upstream series (6.1.x), and should have basically the same feature
> > set, with no major changes.
> > 
> > The "13" is the ABI (Application Binary Interface) identifier.  This
> > gets incremented each time the kernel's internal structures change in
> > a way that would require kernel modules to be recompiled.
> > 
> > And finally, the "-amd64" part is the architecture.

I used the term flavour, to encompass the variety within the i386
architecture: {3,4,5,6}86[-pae][-smp] and so on. I don't follow
other architectures enough to know whether a similar variety
exists elsewhere.

> > Next, look at the package version string: 6.1.55-1
> > 
> > The "6.1.55" part is the upstream release number.  In this case, this
> > is the 55th point release in the upstream 6.1.x series.
> > 
> > The "-1" indicates that this is the first Debian package built from
> > this upstream release, by the Debian kernel image maintainers.
> > 
> > Now, let's say a major bug is found in this kernel, and the maintainers
> > decide to release a new kernel package built from the same upstream
> > source, but with a fix.  Depending on the changes they make, one of two
> > things can happen:
> > 
> > 1) If the fix doesn't require an ABI change (old modules can be loaded
> >   by the new kernel), then they only have to increment the package
> >   version number.  So they'll release package linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64
> >   version 6.1.55-2.  (Or if it were the security team doing it, then
> >   the version number would be something like 6.1.55-1+deb12u1 instead.)

We saw that happening in July with linux-image-5.10.0-23-amd64
(bullseye), when there were three versions (sources 5.10.179-{1,2,3})
in use over a period of 12 weeks (6 CVEs).

> > 2) If the fix requires an ABI change, then a new package name has to
> >   be created.  In this case, they'll release a new package
> >   linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 with version 6.1.55-1 (or something
> >   like 6.1.55-0+deb12u1 maybe, although the security team is much
> >   less likely to invoke an ABI change).
> > 
> > In practice, though, new kernel images are most likely to be released
> > after a whole bunch of upstream point releases have occurred, and
> > will roll up all of those upstream changes into one gigantic change.
> > So we would most likely jump from linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64 version
> > 6.1.55-1 to linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 version 6.1.72-1 (or something
> > along those lines).  Because so many changes get amalgamated together,
> > it's vanishingly rare for the ABI counter *not* to increment.
> 
> Thanks Greg for the precise explanation. I would suggest to put it in the
> Debian Wiki for futur reference.

Cheers,
David.

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[David Wright]

On Sun 19 Nov 2023 at 04:29:57 (+), Tim Woodall wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2023, Joe wrote:
> 
> > If this area is likely to be the issue, try telnet to the IMAP server
> > using port 143, you should get back a list of capabilities which may
> > help. Oddly, though I'm using port 993 to my local server, it does not
> > return any information from that port, only on 143. Presumably this is
> > to assist security.
> 
> I'd assume you need to use something like openssl s_client rather than
> telnet to port 993.

Sure, but you still need to know what to type (assuming that's what
you do), because it just sits there rather than blurting it all out:

  $ openssl s_client -starttls imap -crlf -connect lionunicorn.co.uk:993
  CONNECTED(0003)

and nothing happens until:

^C
130 $ 

OTOH, openssl to port 143 is a bit more informative.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

[Tim Woodall]

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023, Vincent Lefevre wrote:


To my surprise, reportbug asks me to use bullseye-backports
(= oldstable-backports) on my bookworm (= stable) machine:

Your version (6.1.55-1) of linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64 appears to be out of date.
The following newer release(s) are available in the Debian archive:
 bullseye-backports (backports-policy): 6.1.55+1~bpo11+1
Please try to verify if the bug you are about to report is already addressed by 
these releases.  Do you still want to file a report [y|N|q|?]?

Why?



I'm not exactly sure how numbering works with unstable but
6.1.55+1~bpo11+1 comes after 6.1.55-1 but before 6.1.55+1

I'm not sure how you've ended up with a version with a '-' or bpo has
ended up with a '+'.

I thought the whole point of the bpo numbering was so it sorted before
the next release.

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[Tim Woodall]

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023, Joe wrote:


If this area is likely to be the issue, try telnet to the IMAP server
using port 143, you should get back a list of capabilities which may
help. Oddly, though I'm using port 993 to my local server, it does not
return any information from that port, only on 143. Presumably this is
to assist security.



I'd assume you need to use something like openssl s_client rather than
telnet to port 993.

Re: Part II dd copy destroyed DVD

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 10:17 PM Max Nikulin  wrote:

> On 18/11/2023 23:35, Marco Moock wrote:
> > it maybe a stupid DRM?
>
> ... or a blank disk because nothing has been written there.
>
> AW: Anybody familiar with dd (copy)? Sat, 4 Nov 2023 13:28:16 +
>
> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/as8pr10mb742781d572af09e5dc874f1dc5...@as8pr10mb7427.eurprd10.prod.outlook.com
> >  I did burn a DVD.
> > Burning did make a bug.
>

How big is the iso file? If it is larger than 4.7GB then it will be too
large to write to disk.

Have you tried K3B? K3B can make iso images and burn iso images to disk. It
can also rip dvd's.



> My reading: attempt to write some data resulted in some error message.
>
> A bit more details:
>
> AW: Anybody familiar with dd (copy)? Sun, 5 Nov 2023 11:19:48 +
>
> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/as8pr10mb7427e6d31a2a27688b0554e6c5...@as8pr10mb7427.eurprd10.prod.outlook.com
> >  I put in a DVD
> > and try to copy the data to HD
> >
> > mc is saying:
> > Cannot copy.
> >
> > Do You want to ignore the DVD?
> >
> > I think there was a bug during burning.
>
>

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Re: Part II dd copy destroyed DVD

[Max Nikulin]

On 18/11/2023 23:35, Marco Moock wrote:

it maybe a stupid DRM?


... or a blank disk because nothing has been written there.

AW: Anybody familiar with dd (copy)? Sat, 4 Nov 2023 13:28:16 +
https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/as8pr10mb742781d572af09e5dc874f1dc5...@as8pr10mb7427.eurprd10.prod.outlook.com

 I did burn a DVD.
Burning did make a bug.


My reading: attempt to write some data resulted in some error message.

A bit more details:

AW: Anybody familiar with dd (copy)? Sun, 5 Nov 2023 11:19:48 +
https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/as8pr10mb7427e6d31a2a27688b0554e6c5...@as8pr10mb7427.eurprd10.prod.outlook.com

 I put in a DVD
and try to copy the data to HD

mc is saying:
Cannot copy.

Do You want to ignore the DVD?

I think there was a bug during burning.

Re: Part II dd copy destroyed DVD

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 11/18/23, Marco Moock  wrote:
> Am 18.11.2023 um 15:42:57 Uhr schrieb Schwibinger Michael:
>
>> I put in a "good" DVD.
>> dd if=/dev/dvd of=/path/to/dvdcopy.iso
>> is working and I can convert the ISO
>> But I put in the damaged DVD
>> dd cannot start.
>
> What is the error message?
>
> Are you sure the DVD is broken or is it maybe a stupid DRM?


I've been thinking DRM, too, the last couple times this came up. Just
tried a search with an odd option coming back in answer. Some users
have success opening a seemingly broken DVD in VLC and THEN e.g.dd
copying while the DVD is still busy with VLC. They're scratching their
heads wondering why it works. All they can figure out is that it just
does.. sometimes.

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/32564/why-cant-i-copy-my-dvd-with-dd

Handbrake was high up in the search engine results for my "will drm
block dd from copying dvd" query. I've seen Handbrake mentioned here a
couple times already, but there it is again.

Cindy :)
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Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[jeremy ardley]

On 19/11/23 08:04, jeremy ardley wrote:


On 19/11/23 01:59, Alex wrote:
IMAP clients will therefore keep messages on the IMAP server and not 
delete them unless you specifically tell them to, for example via 
right-click -> delete. 



A client can also alter messages retained on a server or event insert 
new messages. This is interesting in computer forensics.


It means that if an email is on a server e.g. hotmail or gmail, it has 
no probative value unless supported by other evidence such as server 
records, digital signatures,  or corroborating evidence on other systems.


In my professional cyber-forensic practice I have tested just how much 
you can alter in an email on a server. The answer is essentially 
everything. All headers, dates, content etc.


Server records of email receipt are usually transient so after a few 
months they can no longer be used as corroboration.




Incidentally, I am using gmail for this list. They have made a recent(?) 
change so that an email that is sent to the debian list automatically 
gets a 'copy' in the inbox. In fact it's just a view of the sent email.


They then drop any copy received from the list, probably based on 
matching the email ID field (?)


From a forensic perspective, gmail only ever stores one copy of an 
email based on its email ID. The altering emails on the server trick 
involves creating a modified copy with a different ID field, deleting 
the original email and so removing its ID from gmail, then altering the 
ID of the copy to the original ID.

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[jeremy ardley]

On 19/11/23 01:59, Alex wrote:
IMAP clients will therefore keep messages on the IMAP server and not 
delete them unless you specifically tell them to, for example via 
right-click -> delete. 



A client can also alter messages retained on a server or event insert 
new messages. This is interesting in computer forensics.


It means that if an email is on a server e.g. hotmail or gmail, it has 
no probative value unless supported by other evidence such as server 
records, digital signatures,  or corroborating evidence on other systems.


In my professional cyber-forensic practice I have tested just how much 
you can alter in an email on a server. The answer is essentially 
everything. All headers, dates, content etc.


Server records of email receipt are usually transient so after a few 
months they can no longer be used as corroboration.

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2023-11-18 09:18:56 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> The "6.1.0-" part comes from the upstream release series.  All the
> kernel images containing "6.1.0-" in this section should come from the
> same upstream series (6.1.x), and should have basically the same feature
> set, with no major changes.

BTW, since this is for 6.1.x, I've always wondered why Debian uses the
"6.1.0-" prefix instead of "6.1-". The "6.1.0" is a bit confusing.

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Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2023-11-18 00:20:25 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 17 Nov 2023 at 13:30:32 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2023-11-16 14:04:29 -0600, David Wright wrote:
> > > On Thu 16 Nov 2023 at 13:02:28 (+0100), Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > > In any case, if a package is renamed (which particularly applies to
> > > > unstable, I don't know about backports), I would expect reportbug
> > > > to also consider the new name for a newer version of the package.
> > > > In short, its search for newer versions should be based on the
> > > > source package rather than the binary package.
> > > 
> > > As I said above, I don't know whether they apply any fuzziness to the
> > > version numbers in view of the multiplicity of linux-image versions
> > > (and sources). As far as a 'rename' is concerned, I don't think that
> > > linux-image has changed name since it was kernel-image in sarge.
> > 
> > The name of the binary package frequently changes. This is why Tixy
> > said "Because it's a different package?".
> 
> Tixy said that because the bookworm-backports packages are
> called "linux-image-6.4.0…" which are all from a different kernel
> source.

He didn't explain. So I thought that he meant the usual rename of
the binary packages from the same kernel source.

> I would call linux-image-x.y.z-386 → linux-image-x.y.z-486
> and suchlike a name change.
> 
> > > > Note that for the Packages files, reportbug just uses the files from
> > > > the /var/lib/apt/lists directory, but I don't have anything matching
> > > > *bullseye* there.
> > > 
> > > I didn't know that, and at least one post in this thread suggests
> > > otherwise.
> > 
> > I'm wondering why you think that.
> 
> Only because Greg wrote ‘What it said was "Hey, I looked on the
> internets and I saw this other kernel that might be newer than the
> one you're running, so maybe you wanna check this other kernel first
> and see if it's still got the same bug, before you report this."’

This does not necessarily mean that it fetches Packages files there.
There are various means to get package information on the web.

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Re: Does reporting bugs from inside the live CD work?

[Charles Curley]

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 22:07:46 +0100
dub...@grey-panther.net wrote:

> Anyway, I ran the reportbug program with the cdimage.debian.org
> meta-package, as described at https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting,
> however my bug doesn't show up in the bugtracker, even though it has
> been several days now since I submitted it.

Did you get an email response? If so, have you visited the link to the
bug report in the email?

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Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[Charles Curley]

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:20:49 +
Joe  wrote:

> Claws cannot compose HTML emails, which may be a showstopper for you.
> It can display HTML, though I always use plain text. If I really need
> to see HTML, such as when an unsubscribe link is buried in 100K of
> useless markup, I use a webmail client. I hate webmail.

Instead of the webmail client:

To the right of the message body, or just above it, you can see the
various parts of a MIME message. Right click (mouse 3, typically) on
the entry for the HTML part of the email. Click on "display as text".
That usually displays the link correctly.

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Re: Fetching local mail

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 03:58:20PM -0500, Pocket wrote:
> Will this work?
> 
> symlink /var/mail/paulf to /home/paulf/Mail/in
> 
> ln -vs /home/paulf/Mail/in /var/mail/paulf

I wouldn't expect it to work.  Most programs that try to deliver to
an mbox file like /var/mail/username will try to "dot-lock" it (by
creating another file next to it with a .lock extension, and using
that as a sort of semaphor), and that isn't likely to work across
file systems.  There may also be security measures in place (AppArmor
and so on) which restrain the reach of a mail delivery agent to
specific directories.  Symlinks tend to interact poorly with such things.

You're much better off configuring a ~/.forward file if you're running
an MTA which honors that.

Does reporting bugs from inside the live CD work?

[dubser]

Hi all,

I tried to report the bug that in the live Gnome CD, if one starts the
installer, one is asked for a password, that is (as far as I can tell) not
documented anywhere inside the CD:
https://kdrive.infomaniak.com/app/share/545250/a4c87792-3ed2-4a70-bc1c-ae629842f9cb/preview/image/876245

Anyway, I ran the reportbug program with the cdimage.debian.org
meta-package, as described at https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting,
however my bug doesn't show up in the bugtracker, even though it has been
several days now since I submitted it.

Does anybody know if reporting a bug from the live-CD images is even
supported?

Best,
Attila

PS. Subscribing to the mailing list through the web interface results in a
"Gateway Timeout" at https://lists.debian.org/cgi-bin/subscribe.pl :(

Re: Fetching local mail

[Pocket]

On 11/18/23 07:44, Paul M Foster wrote:

Folks:

After using claws-mail for a number of years, I'm testing the idea of going
back to mutt and fetchmail. One problem I've encountered is how to get
local mail in /var/mail/paulf into mutt's inbox at /home/paulf/Mail/in.

I could run a POP server, and have fetchmail query it like any other
smarthost, but I'd rather not add another daemon. Does anyone know a way to
have mutt and/or fetchmail grab mail from /var/mail/paulf to
/home/paulf/Mail/in?

Paul



Will this work?

symlink /var/mail/paulf to /home/paulf/Mail/in

ln -vs /home/paulf/Mail/in /var/mail/paulf


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Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[Joe]

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:58:41 -0800
Peter Ehlert  wrote:

> thread back from the dead:
> first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions
> 
> I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too.
> Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will
> suffice.
> 
> My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help
> me, Kudos to webmasters dot com
> 
> IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't
> know who to trust
> 
> I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue.
> 
> Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave
> messages on the server?

Yes, IMAP is server-oriented, POP3 is single-client oriented. It's not
unusual for me to have my IMAP account open in more than one client
simultaneously.

If you're having problems, it may be to do with the email policy in use
at the server, mostly password authentication.

Standard IMAP port is 143, encrypted is 993 though often 143 will also
accept encryption.

If this area is likely to be the issue, try telnet to the IMAP server
using port 143, you should get back a list of capabilities which may
help. Oddly, though I'm using port 993 to my local server, it does not
return any information from that port, only on 143. Presumably this is
to assist security.

$ telnet myserver 143
Trying 192.168.xx.yy
Connected to myserver.
Escape character is '^]'.
* OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 LITERAL+ SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS ID ENABLE
IDLE STARTTLS AUTH=PLAIN] Dovecot ready.

Any mention of SSL, TLS or AUTH is likely to be important.

> 
> On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:
> >
> >
> > I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the
> > GUI has been slowly been changed.
> > lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My 
> > Way. Minor success.
> >
> > also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and
> > easy backups.
> >
> > In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few
> > filters and rearrange my copious folders.
> >
> > Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
> > the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but
> > I know little of the history and stability.

It goes back a couple of decades, and was originally a fork of
Sylpheed, which also still exists.

I've used it for at least five years, when I started to find TB too
bloated and slow. I never used its calendar, I have an SQL-based
calendar. 

Claws gets occasional bugs, irritating rather than serious e.g.
currently, selecting an email in the list marks it as read, which is not
always what I want, and is not normal behaviour. IMAP does folders,
something that POP3 clients simulate but which really exist on an IMAP
server, and I often want to drag an email to a folder while leaving it
marked unread. It will get fixed.

> >
> > secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?

No, I'm using quite a lot of filters on two Usenet groups in mine.

Claws cannot compose HTML emails, which may be a showstopper for you.
It can display HTML, though I always use plain text. If I really need
to see HTML, such as when an unsubscribe link is buried in 100K of
useless markup, I use a webmail client. I hate webmail.

-- 
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Re: UFW/GFW Doesn't start up after running previously

[Charles Curley]

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 10:13:43 -0500
marathon  wrote:

> > iptables -n -L
> > 
> > If you see this, you have no firewall at all, you are wide open, and
> > should run some ifw command to bring the firewall up:  
> 
> It works fine when its turned on manually, past experience using it
> on Debian this would never happen. Once installed and started it
> should keep on running across cold reboots and/or suspend.

ufw is launched by systemd. If as root you run "systemctl status ufw"
you should see that it is enabled, and something like "active" or
"active (exited)". I use shorewall, and this is what it looks like. ufw
should look similar.

root@hawk:~# systemctl status shorewall
● shorewall.service - Shorewall IPv4 firewall
 Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/shorewall.service; enabled; vendor 
preset: enabled)
 Active: active (exited) since Wed 2023-10-11 11:56:12 MDT; 1 months 7 days 
ago
   Main PID: 1336 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
  Tasks: 0 (limit: 18980)
 Memory: 0B
CPU: 0
 CGroup: /system.slice/shorewall.service

…
root@hawk:~# 

Anyone out there running ufw?

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Re: MySQL Workbench

[Carlos Villiere]

¡¡Mil perdones!!
Este es link que no indique en mi post anterior

[1] https://packages.debian.org/sid/mysql-workbench

Nuevamente Muchas Gracias!!

Saludos
Carlos

El sáb, 18 nov 2023 a las 15:22, Carlos Villiere ()
escribió:

> ¡¡Hola Comunidad!!
>
> Agradezco a todos las sugerencias que me han dado, me resultaron muy
> útiles.
> Luego de intentar instalar MySQL Workbench, a base de prueba y error lo he
> logrado.
> Para resumir, instale el repo ATP de MySQL, posteriormente baje del
> paquete mysql-workbench-community_8.0.20-1ubuntu18.04_amd64.deb de [1].
> Actualice el sistema e instale el mismo.
> No lo hubiera logrado sin su ayuda, es que su comunidad es lo mejor que
> tiene Debian!!
>
> Saludos
> Carlos
>
> El vie, 17 nov 2023 a las 5:24, Camaleón () escribió:
>
>> El 2023-11-16 a las 17:22 -0300, Carlos Villiere escribió:
>>
>> > ¡¡Hola Comunidad Debian!!
>> >
>> > Estoy tratando de instalar mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34 en miPc
>> Debian
>> > desde un paquete .deb obtenido de la Web Page de MySQL, pero los únicos
>> > para Sistemas Debian son
>> > mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu23.04_amd64 y
>> > mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu22.04_amd64.
>>
>> Descarga la versión del paquete deb para la versión de Ubuntu más
>> parecida a tu versión Debian, es decir, si tienes instalada la versión
>> oldstable de Debian (bullseye), que salió en el año 2021, prueba con el
>> paquete para ubuntu22 o incluso con una versión más antigua (la 8.0.28
>> desde los archivos¹, para intentar minimizar problemas con las
>> dependencias.
>>
>> ¹https://downloads.mysql.com/archives/workbench/
>>
>> > También tengo la versión del código fuente.
>> > Al querer instalarla mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu23.04_amd64
>> > con el procedimiento estándar.
>> > sudo apt-get update
>> > sudo apt-get upgrade
>> > sudo apt-get install
>> > ./mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu23.04_amd64.deb
>> > Tengo un problema de dependencias que me informa apt-get
>> > "Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
>> >  mysql-workbench-community : Depende: libatkmm-1.6-1v5 (>= 2.28.3) pero
>> 2.28.0-3 va a ser instalado
>> >  Depende: libc6 (>= 2.35) pero
>> 2.31-13+deb11u7 va a ser instalado
>> >  Depende: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.70.0) pero
>> 2.66.8-1 va a ser instalado
>> >  Depende: libglibmm-2.4-1v5 (>= 2.66.6)
>> pero 2.64.2-2 va a ser instalado
>> >  Depende: libgtkmm-3.0-1v5 (>= 3.24.7) pero
>> 3.24.2-2 va a ser instalado
>> >  Depende: libjpeg8 (>= 8c) pero no es
>> instalable
>> >  Depende: liblerc4 (>= 3.0) pero no es
>> instalable
>> >  Depende: libmysqlclient21 (>= 8.0.11) pero
>> no es instalable
>> >  Depende: libproj25 (>= 8.2.0) pero no es
>> instalable
>> >  Depende: libpython3.11 (>= 3.11.0) pero no
>> es instalable
>> >  Depende: libsasl2-2 (>= 2.1.28+dfsg) pero
>> 2.1.27+dfsg-2.1+deb11u1 va a ser instalado
>> >  Depende: libssl3 (>= 3.0.0) pero no es
>> instalable
>> >  Depende: libstdc++6 (>= 12) pero 10.2.1-6
>> va a ser instalado
>> >  Depende: libwebp7 (>= 1.2.4) pero no es
>> instalable
>> > E: No se pudieron corregir los problemas, usted ha retenido paquetes
>> rotos.
>> > " (sic.)
>>
>> Lo que quiere decir es que el paquete que vas a instalar es demasiado
>> moderno para tu sistema, que no tiene todos los paquetes disponibles en
>> la versión requerida.
>>
>> > El paquete mysql-workbench-community no se encuentra en los
>> repositorios de
>> > Debian, por esa razon lo baje de la Web Page.
>>
>> Bueno, está en Sid pero es mejor que pruebes antes con la versión de WB
>> 8.0.28, o anteriores.
>>
>> https://packages.debian.org/sid/mysql-workbench
>>
>> > La cuestion aqui es, ¿resuelvo las dependencias incumplidas y vuelvo a
>> > intentar instalarlo
>>
>> Si tienes Debian 11 no vas a poder :-P
>>
>> > o pruebo instalar desde las fuentes con Cmake, el que tengo ya
>> > instalado, y es como indica la documentación que incluye el
>> > mysql-workbench-community-8.0.33-src.tar.gz?
>>
>> Yo probaría antes a instalar otro deb para Ubuntu (8.0.28), que salió en
>> el año 2021.
>>
>> > ¿La primera opción podría producir algún inconveniente en mi sistema?
>>
>> No vas a poder :-)
>>
>> > Desde ya les agradezco su tiempo y sugerencias al respecto.
>>
>> Por aquí tienes más info:
>>
>> Instalar MySQL Workbench en Debian 10
>>
>> https://hotsechu.wordpress.com/2021/03/02/instalar-mysql-workbench-en-debian-10/
>>
>> Saludos,
>>
>> --
>> Camaleón
>>
>>

Re: MySQL Workbench

[Carlos Villiere]

¡¡Hola Comunidad!!

Agradezco a todos las sugerencias que me han dado, me resultaron muy útiles.
Luego de intentar instalar MySQL Workbench, a base de prueba y error lo he
logrado.
Para resumir, instale el repo ATP de MySQL, posteriormente baje del paquete
mysql-workbench-community_8.0.20-1ubuntu18.04_amd64.deb de [1].
Actualice el sistema e instale el mismo.
No lo hubiera logrado sin su ayuda, es que su comunidad es lo mejor que
tiene Debian!!

Saludos
Carlos

El vie, 17 nov 2023 a las 5:24, Camaleón () escribió:

> El 2023-11-16 a las 17:22 -0300, Carlos Villiere escribió:
>
> > ¡¡Hola Comunidad Debian!!
> >
> > Estoy tratando de instalar mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34 en miPc
> Debian
> > desde un paquete .deb obtenido de la Web Page de MySQL, pero los únicos
> > para Sistemas Debian son
> > mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu23.04_amd64 y
> > mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu22.04_amd64.
>
> Descarga la versión del paquete deb para la versión de Ubuntu más
> parecida a tu versión Debian, es decir, si tienes instalada la versión
> oldstable de Debian (bullseye), que salió en el año 2021, prueba con el
> paquete para ubuntu22 o incluso con una versión más antigua (la 8.0.28
> desde los archivos¹, para intentar minimizar problemas con las
> dependencias.
>
> ¹https://downloads.mysql.com/archives/workbench/
>
> > También tengo la versión del código fuente.
> > Al querer instalarla mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu23.04_amd64
> > con el procedimiento estándar.
> > sudo apt-get update
> > sudo apt-get upgrade
> > sudo apt-get install
> > ./mysql-workbench-community_8.0.34-1ubuntu23.04_amd64.deb
> > Tengo un problema de dependencias que me informa apt-get
> > "Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas:
> >  mysql-workbench-community : Depende: libatkmm-1.6-1v5 (>= 2.28.3) pero
> 2.28.0-3 va a ser instalado
> >  Depende: libc6 (>= 2.35) pero
> 2.31-13+deb11u7 va a ser instalado
> >  Depende: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.70.0) pero
> 2.66.8-1 va a ser instalado
> >  Depende: libglibmm-2.4-1v5 (>= 2.66.6) pero
> 2.64.2-2 va a ser instalado
> >  Depende: libgtkmm-3.0-1v5 (>= 3.24.7) pero
> 3.24.2-2 va a ser instalado
> >  Depende: libjpeg8 (>= 8c) pero no es
> instalable
> >  Depende: liblerc4 (>= 3.0) pero no es
> instalable
> >  Depende: libmysqlclient21 (>= 8.0.11) pero
> no es instalable
> >  Depende: libproj25 (>= 8.2.0) pero no es
> instalable
> >  Depende: libpython3.11 (>= 3.11.0) pero no
> es instalable
> >  Depende: libsasl2-2 (>= 2.1.28+dfsg) pero
> 2.1.27+dfsg-2.1+deb11u1 va a ser instalado
> >  Depende: libssl3 (>= 3.0.0) pero no es
> instalable
> >  Depende: libstdc++6 (>= 12) pero 10.2.1-6
> va a ser instalado
> >  Depende: libwebp7 (>= 1.2.4) pero no es
> instalable
> > E: No se pudieron corregir los problemas, usted ha retenido paquetes
> rotos.
> > " (sic.)
>
> Lo que quiere decir es que el paquete que vas a instalar es demasiado
> moderno para tu sistema, que no tiene todos los paquetes disponibles en
> la versión requerida.
>
> > El paquete mysql-workbench-community no se encuentra en los repositorios
> de
> > Debian, por esa razon lo baje de la Web Page.
>
> Bueno, está en Sid pero es mejor que pruebes antes con la versión de WB
> 8.0.28, o anteriores.
>
> https://packages.debian.org/sid/mysql-workbench
>
> > La cuestion aqui es, ¿resuelvo las dependencias incumplidas y vuelvo a
> > intentar instalarlo
>
> Si tienes Debian 11 no vas a poder :-P
>
> > o pruebo instalar desde las fuentes con Cmake, el que tengo ya
> > instalado, y es como indica la documentación que incluye el
> > mysql-workbench-community-8.0.33-src.tar.gz?
>
> Yo probaría antes a instalar otro deb para Ubuntu (8.0.28), que salió en
> el año 2021.
>
> > ¿La primera opción podría producir algún inconveniente en mi sistema?
>
> No vas a poder :-)
>
> > Desde ya les agradezco su tiempo y sugerencias al respecto.
>
> Por aquí tienes más info:
>
> Instalar MySQL Workbench en Debian 10
>
> https://hotsechu.wordpress.com/2021/03/02/instalar-mysql-workbench-en-debian-10/
>
> Saludos,
>
> --
> Camaleón
>
>

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[Alex]

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:58:41 -0800
Peter Ehlert  wrote:

> Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave
> messages on the server?

That's why IMAP exists to begin with. IMAP was made to make it possible
for multiple clients to manage the same mailbox[1].

IMAP clients will therefore keep messages on the IMAP server and not
delete them unless you specifically tell them to, for example via
right-click -> delete.


[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP
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Re: Request advice on Optimal Combo-usage of Gmail and Mailman, as mentioned in Msg-Id. "2023/11/msg00443"

[Anssi Saari]

Charles Kroeger  writes:

>> If you ever do find one, please let me know. The lack of such a thing is
>> the primary reason why I don't do E-mail on Android *at all*.
>
> https://github.com/M66B/FairEmail
>
> I use this. It is what you want.

I proposed it already but apparently it doesn't do "proper threading".
Just a flat list of messages. In landscape there's an extra column
displayed but it seems you need a tablet to make any sense of that.

Re: Part II dd copy destroyed DVD

[Arno Lehmann]

Good afternoon,

Am 18.11.2023 um 16:42 schrieb Schwibinger Michael:

Good afternoon

I m sorry again.
dd does not work.

I put in a "good" DVD.
dd if=/dev/dvd of=/path/to/dvdcopy.iso
is working and I can convert the ISO
But I put in the damaged DVD
dd cannot start.


again, you forgot to explain what (sort of a) DVD that is, and what the 
actual error is.



How about:


How about: Your DVD is broken and will not be readable. Put it into the 
proper recycling bin/bag.



dvdread
ddrescue
debiandvdbackup
acidrip
isobuster and wine.


Are you aware that some of those tools have very specific purposes and 
use cases? If so, why do you believe anybody can comment without 
information about *you* use case?



Second:How can I use dd and others with an external dvddrive?


dd if= [some reasonable options]

Cheers,

Arno


Regards
Sophie



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Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[peter ehlert]

damn! I forgot... not able to receive on my POP mail accounts!
now using the hateful Gmail...
maybe that's why Thunderbird can't use a mailing list, they don't trust 
their own email app. Eff Them!


On 11/18/23 08:58, Peter Ehlert wrote:

thread back from the dead:
first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions

I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too.
Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will 
suffice.


My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help 
me, Kudos to webmasters dot com


IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know 
who to trust


I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue.

Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages 
on the server?


On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:



I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
has been slowly been changed.
lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My 
Way. Minor success.


also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy 
backups.


In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few 
filters and rearrange my copious folders.


Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
know little of the history and stability.


secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?

thanks in advance.

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[Peter Ehlert]

thread back from the dead:
first, thanks for all of the input and wise suggestions

I am going crazy with Thunderbird, and Claws too.
Now Claws has a calendar add-on, did not try it but maybe it will suffice.

My longtime web and email host support have been struggling to help me, 
Kudos to webmasters dot com


IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know 
who to trust


I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue.

Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages 
on the server?


On 8/15/23 09:43, Peter Ehlert wrote:



I am a long time user of Thunderbird. No real complaints, but the GUI 
has been slowly been changed.
lately I have been struggling with that, trying to get it to be My 
Way. Minor success.


also the .msf files have gotten Huge and that hinders rapid and easy 
backups.


In the process I would like to do some housekeeping, fix a few filters 
and rearrange my copious folders.


Question: do you folks recommend migrating to Claws Mail?
the initial look and feel seems to be familiar and comfortable, but I 
know little of the history and stability.


secondly, will I be missing the basic features such as Filters?

thanks in advance.

Re: Part II dd copy destroyed DVD

[Marco Moock]

Am 18.11.2023 um 15:42:57 Uhr schrieb Schwibinger Michael:

> I put in a "good" DVD.
> dd if=/dev/dvd of=/path/to/dvdcopy.iso
> is working and I can convert the ISO
> But I put in the damaged DVD
> dd cannot start.

What is the error message?

Are you sure the DVD is broken or is it maybe a stupid DRM?

Re: Fetching local mail

[Dan Ritter]

Paul M Foster wrote: 
> Also worth noting that I have exim installed, which handles the cron job
> emails, and puts them, by default into the standard location,
> /var/mail/paulf.


Missed this. You can either have exim hand off to maildrop, or
deliver where you want via a .forward file in your $HOME:

https://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/filter_ch-forwarding_and_filtering_in_exim.html
and
https://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/filter_ch-exim_filter_files.html

-dsr-

Re: Fetching local mail

[Dan Ritter]

Paul M Foster wrote: 
> On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 09:29:02AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> 
> > Paul M Foster wrote: 
> > > After using claws-mail for a number of years, I'm testing the idea of 
> > > going
> > > back to mutt and fetchmail. One problem I've encountered is how to get
> > > local mail in /var/mail/paulf into mutt's inbox at /home/paulf/Mail/in.
> > > 
> > > I could run a POP server, and have fetchmail query it like any other
> > > smarthost, but I'd rather not add another daemon. Does anyone know a way 
> > > to
> > > have mutt and/or fetchmail grab mail from /var/mail/paulf to
> > > /home/paulf/Mail/in?
> > 
> > Options:
> > 
> > 1. tell mutt your spool is /var/mail/paulf:
> > 
> > set spoolfile="/var/mail/paulf"
> 
> This would be okay if all my mail was delivered to that spool file, but it
> isn't. Fetchmail hands off (internet) mail to maildrop, which puts in my
> spool file at /home/paulf/Mail/in. That's where mutt thinks my spool file
> is. Only mail generated by the system or cron jobs is delivered to
> /var/mail/paulf. And I'd like that mail to end up instead in
> /home/paulf/Mail/in.


That's easy, then. Have your system mail handled by maildrop as
well.

Your system is most likely running exim or postfix; either one
can invoke maildrop as a local delivery agent, which will then
read your .mailfilter and obey it. 

-dsr-
 

apt update : message

[ajh-valmer]

apt update :
"http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/bookworm-backports/InRelease: 
Key is stored in legacy trusted.gpg keyring (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg), 
see the DEPRECATION section in apt-key(8) for details.

N: Repository 'Debian bookworm' changed its 'non-free component' 
value from 'non-free' to 'non-free non-free-firmware'"

Hello,

Que faut-il faire avec ce message suite à un apt update ?

Bon week-end.

Part II dd copy destroyed DVD

[Schwibinger Michael]

Good afternoon

I m sorry again.
dd does not work.

I put in a "good" DVD.
dd if=/dev/dvd of=/path/to/dvdcopy.iso
is working and I can convert the ISO
But I put in the damaged DVD
dd cannot start.

How about:

dvdread
ddrescue
debiandvdbackup
acidrip
isobuster and wine.

Second:How can I use dd and others with an external dvddrive?

Regards
Sophie

Re: Fetching local mail

[Christoph Brinkhaus]

Am Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 10:15:42AM -0500 schrieb Paul M Foster:
> On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 09:29:02AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> 
> > Paul M Foster wrote: 
> > > After using claws-mail for a number of years, I'm testing the idea of 
> > > going
> > > back to mutt and fetchmail. One problem I've encountered is how to get
> > > local mail in /var/mail/paulf into mutt's inbox at /home/paulf/Mail/in.
> > > 
> > > I could run a POP server, and have fetchmail query it like any other
> > > smarthost, but I'd rather not add another daemon. Does anyone know a way 
> > > to
> > > have mutt and/or fetchmail grab mail from /var/mail/paulf to
> > > /home/paulf/Mail/in?
> > 
> > Options:
> > 
> > 1. tell mutt your spool is /var/mail/paulf:
> > 
> > set spoolfile="/var/mail/paulf"
> 
> This would be okay if all my mail was delivered to that spool file, but it
> isn't. Fetchmail hands off (internet) mail to maildrop, which puts in my
> spool file at /home/paulf/Mail/in. That's where mutt thinks my spool file
> is. Only mail generated by the system or cron jobs is delivered to
> /var/mail/paulf. And I'd like that mail to end up instead in
> /home/paulf/Mail/in.
> 
> Also worth noting that I have exim installed, which handles the cron job
> emails, and puts them, by default into the standard location,
> /var/mail/paulf.
> 
> > 
> > (if that's a Maildir, end it with a /)
> > 
> > 2. tell fetchmail to deliver via a local agent that will put
> > things where you want them, like procmail or mailfilter or...
> > anyway, use the 'mda' config in fetchmail's config file to
> > specify that.
> > 
> 
> Fetchmail already hands off to maildrop, which puts all (internet) mail in
> /home/paulf/Mail/in. But it appears that fetchmail only queries servers,
> and then passes off the mail to an mda. I can't get it to simply copy mail
> (and delete it) from a spool file and deliver it to the mda.

If you configure fetchmail not to use an MDA as maildrop, fetchmail will
deliver incomming mails to exim. May be this is an option.

Kind regards,
Christoph
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Re: Fetching local mail

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 10:15:42AM -0500, Paul M Foster wrote:
> This would be okay if all my mail was delivered to that spool file, but it
> isn't. Fetchmail hands off (internet) mail to maildrop, which puts in my
> spool file at /home/paulf/Mail/in. That's where mutt thinks my spool file
> is. Only mail generated by the system or cron jobs is delivered to
> /var/mail/paulf. And I'd like that mail to end up instead in
> /home/paulf/Mail/in.

Then it depends on what program is doing the local delivery.  If it's
some member of the sendmail family (including exim??) then you might
be able to configure it by creating a ~/.forward file.

I don't know maildrop.  You'll have to read its docs to see how to
control it.

Re: Fetching local mail

[Paul M Foster]

On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 09:29:02AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:

> Paul M Foster wrote: 
> > After using claws-mail for a number of years, I'm testing the idea of going
> > back to mutt and fetchmail. One problem I've encountered is how to get
> > local mail in /var/mail/paulf into mutt's inbox at /home/paulf/Mail/in.
> > 
> > I could run a POP server, and have fetchmail query it like any other
> > smarthost, but I'd rather not add another daemon. Does anyone know a way to
> > have mutt and/or fetchmail grab mail from /var/mail/paulf to
> > /home/paulf/Mail/in?
> 
> Options:
> 
> 1. tell mutt your spool is /var/mail/paulf:
> 
> set spoolfile="/var/mail/paulf"

This would be okay if all my mail was delivered to that spool file, but it
isn't. Fetchmail hands off (internet) mail to maildrop, which puts in my
spool file at /home/paulf/Mail/in. That's where mutt thinks my spool file
is. Only mail generated by the system or cron jobs is delivered to
/var/mail/paulf. And I'd like that mail to end up instead in
/home/paulf/Mail/in.

Also worth noting that I have exim installed, which handles the cron job
emails, and puts them, by default into the standard location,
/var/mail/paulf.

> 
> (if that's a Maildir, end it with a /)
> 
> 2. tell fetchmail to deliver via a local agent that will put
> things where you want them, like procmail or mailfilter or...
> anyway, use the 'mda' config in fetchmail's config file to
> specify that.
> 

Fetchmail already hands off to maildrop, which puts all (internet) mail in
/home/paulf/Mail/in. But it appears that fetchmail only queries servers,
and then passes off the mail to an mda. I can't get it to simply copy mail
(and delete it) from a spool file and deliver it to the mda.

Paul

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Re: UFW/GFW Doesn't start up after running previously

[songbird]

marathon wrote:
> Using Debian Bookworm, on Lenovo X280 laptop. Each time after cold startup 
> or from suspend, I've found the ufw software is turned off and blocks all 
> network activity in that state.
> Does anyone have any idea why? Can I provide further information?
>
> Thanks.

  did you make changes at some point?

  as root what does ufw status say?

  if needed run ufw enable.

  also perhaps somehow during an upgrade or install it somehow
was corrupted so try apt reinstall ufw.

  this is what i would look at first.


  songbird

Re: UFW/GFW Doesn't start up after running previously

[marathon]

On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 07:49:32AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:25:10 -0500
> marathon  wrote:
> 
> > Using Debian Bookworm, on Lenovo X280 laptop. Each time after cold
> > startup or from suspend, I've found the ufw software is turned off
> > and blocks all network activity in that state.
> 
> How do you know it is turned off? Please show the exact command you are
> using, including leading and trailing command line prompts.

When I launch Gufw it's off. I'm not starting it via console but with the 
GUI. This is a vanilla Debian install, and ufw/Gufw from the Debian repos.  
It should just work. I have no idea whats going on under the hood, I'm a 
simple user of the product.

> ufw is a tool for setting up and managing a firewall. It is not the
> firewall itself. To find out if your firewall is active, run
> 
> iptables -n -L
> 
> If you see this, you have no firewall at all, you are wide open, and
> should run some ifw command to bring the firewall up:

It works fine when its turned on manually, past experience using it on 
Debian this would never happen. Once installed and started it should keep on 
running across cold reboots and/or suspend.

> root@chaffee:~# iptables -n -L

snip

> If you see anything else, you may have a working firewall. As I don't

It's called ufw not ifw. I have it set on the default settings which stops 
inbound but allows outbound. I need input from someone using this tool. It's 
available in the repos for those that don't want to screw around with 
scripts etc.

Re: UFW/GFW Doesn't start up after running previously

[Charles Curley]

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:25:10 -0500
marathon  wrote:

> Using Debian Bookworm, on Lenovo X280 laptop. Each time after cold
> startup or from suspend, I've found the ufw software is turned off
> and blocks all network activity in that state.

How do you know it is turned off? Please show the exact command you are
using, including leading and trailing command line prompts.

ufw is a tool for setting up and managing a firewall. It is not the
firewall itself. To find out if your firewall is active, run

iptables -n -L

If you see this, you have no firewall at all, you are wide open, and
should run some ifw command to bring the firewall up:

root@chaffee:~# iptables -n -L
Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination 

Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination 

Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
target prot opt source   destination 
root@chaffee:~# 

If you see anything else, you may have a working firewall. As I don't
use ifw, I have no idea what it should look like.


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Re: Fetching local mail

[Dan Ritter]

Paul M Foster wrote: 
> After using claws-mail for a number of years, I'm testing the idea of going
> back to mutt and fetchmail. One problem I've encountered is how to get
> local mail in /var/mail/paulf into mutt's inbox at /home/paulf/Mail/in.
> 
> I could run a POP server, and have fetchmail query it like any other
> smarthost, but I'd rather not add another daemon. Does anyone know a way to
> have mutt and/or fetchmail grab mail from /var/mail/paulf to
> /home/paulf/Mail/in?

Options:

1. tell mutt your spool is /var/mail/paulf:

set spoolfile="/var/mail/paulf"

(if that's a Maildir, end it with a /)

2. tell fetchmail to deliver via a local agent that will put
things where you want them, like procmail or mailfilter or...
anyway, use the 'mda' config in fetchmail's config file to
specify that.

-dsr-

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

[steve]

Thanks Greg for the precise explanation. I would suggest to put it in the
Debian Wiki for futur reference.

Le 18-11-2023, à 09:18:56 -0500, Greg Wooledge a écrit :


On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 12:24:30AM -0600, David Wright wrote:

On Fri 17 Nov 2023 at 14:07:54 (+), Tixy wrote:
> At time of writing, that depended on package in stable is called
> 'linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64' and the version of that package is
> '6.1.55-1'. This is the kernel installed on my machine.

And AIUI that version is the upstream source version, and a Debian
counter for that source. The counter is rarely used, AFAICT, and can
cause consternation when it is, because it means the kernel gets
upgraded 'in place', making it tricky to revert if you wanted to.
(That shouldn't normally be necessary.) And I'm sure you know all
this, or something like it.


Debian kernel images have a complex naming system, to be sure.  Let's
look at the package name first: linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64

The "linux-image-" part is obvious.  That's static.

The "6.1.0-" part comes from the upstream release series.  All the
kernel images containing "6.1.0-" in this section should come from the
same upstream series (6.1.x), and should have basically the same feature
set, with no major changes.

The "13" is the ABI (Application Binary Interface) identifier.  This
gets incremented each time the kernel's internal structures change in
a way that would require kernel modules to be recompiled.

And finally, the "-amd64" part is the architecture.

Next, look at the package version string: 6.1.55-1

The "6.1.55" part is the upstream release number.  In this case, this
is the 55th point release in the upstream 6.1.x series.

The "-1" indicates that this is the first Debian package built from
this upstream release, by the Debian kernel image maintainers.

Now, let's say a major bug is found in this kernel, and the maintainers
decide to release a new kernel package built from the same upstream
source, but with a fix.  Depending on the changes they make, one of two
things can happen:

1) If the fix doesn't require an ABI change (old modules can be loaded
  by the new kernel), then they only have to increment the package
  version number.  So they'll release package linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64
  version 6.1.55-2.  (Or if it were the security team doing it, then
  the version number would be something like 6.1.55-1+deb12u1 instead.)

2) If the fix requires an ABI change, then a new package name has to
  be created.  In this case, they'll release a new package
  linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 with version 6.1.55-1 (or something
  like 6.1.55-0+deb12u1 maybe, although the security team is much
  less likely to invoke an ABI change).

In practice, though, new kernel images are most likely to be released
after a whole bunch of upstream point releases have occurred, and
will roll up all of those upstream changes into one gigantic change.
So we would most likely jump from linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64 version
6.1.55-1 to linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 version 6.1.72-1 (or something
along those lines).  Because so many changes get amalgamated together,
it's vanishingly rare for the ABI counter *not* to increment.

Re: Why is bullseye-backports recommended on bookworm?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 12:24:30AM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 17 Nov 2023 at 14:07:54 (+), Tixy wrote:
> > At time of writing, that depended on package in stable is called
> > 'linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64' and the version of that package is
> > '6.1.55-1'. This is the kernel installed on my machine.
> 
> And AIUI that version is the upstream source version, and a Debian
> counter for that source. The counter is rarely used, AFAICT, and can
> cause consternation when it is, because it means the kernel gets
> upgraded 'in place', making it tricky to revert if you wanted to.
> (That shouldn't normally be necessary.) And I'm sure you know all
> this, or something like it.

Debian kernel images have a complex naming system, to be sure.  Let's
look at the package name first: linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64

The "linux-image-" part is obvious.  That's static.

The "6.1.0-" part comes from the upstream release series.  All the
kernel images containing "6.1.0-" in this section should come from the
same upstream series (6.1.x), and should have basically the same feature
set, with no major changes.

The "13" is the ABI (Application Binary Interface) identifier.  This
gets incremented each time the kernel's internal structures change in
a way that would require kernel modules to be recompiled.

And finally, the "-amd64" part is the architecture.

Next, look at the package version string: 6.1.55-1

The "6.1.55" part is the upstream release number.  In this case, this
is the 55th point release in the upstream 6.1.x series.

The "-1" indicates that this is the first Debian package built from
this upstream release, by the Debian kernel image maintainers.

Now, let's say a major bug is found in this kernel, and the maintainers
decide to release a new kernel package built from the same upstream
source, but with a fix.  Depending on the changes they make, one of two
things can happen:

1) If the fix doesn't require an ABI change (old modules can be loaded
   by the new kernel), then they only have to increment the package
   version number.  So they'll release package linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64
   version 6.1.55-2.  (Or if it were the security team doing it, then
   the version number would be something like 6.1.55-1+deb12u1 instead.)

2) If the fix requires an ABI change, then a new package name has to
   be created.  In this case, they'll release a new package
   linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 with version 6.1.55-1 (or something
   like 6.1.55-0+deb12u1 maybe, although the security team is much
   less likely to invoke an ABI change).

In practice, though, new kernel images are most likely to be released
after a whole bunch of upstream point releases have occurred, and
will roll up all of those upstream changes into one gigantic change.
So we would most likely jump from linux-image-6.1.0-13-amd64 version
6.1.55-1 to linux-image-6.1.0-14-amd64 version 6.1.72-1 (or something
along those lines).  Because so many changes get amalgamated together,
it's vanishingly rare for the ABI counter *not* to increment.

Re: UFW/GFW Doesn't start up after running previously

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 08:25:10AM -0500, marathon wrote:
> Using Debian Bookworm, on Lenovo X280 laptop. Each time after cold startup 
> or from suspend, I've found the ufw software is turned off and blocks all 
> network activity in that state.
> Does anyone have any idea why? Can I provide further information?
> 
> Thanks.
>

What script turns on ufw - if you have to restart ufw, what commands do you
run?

if it's something like systemd starting a service, then you need to make
that service persistent, perhaps.

In some sense, much better to fail closed for firewall software than to
fail open.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater 

UFW/GFW Doesn't start up after running previously

[marathon]

Using Debian Bookworm, on Lenovo X280 laptop. Each time after cold startup 
or from suspend, I've found the ufw software is turned off and blocks all 
network activity in that state.
Does anyone have any idea why? Can I provide further information?

Thanks.

Altavoz Bluetooth conectado, pero no aparece

[Quique]

Hola,
he comprado una barra de sonido Bluetooth, y estoy intentando hacerla
funcionar desde mi portátil (Debian 12 bookworm).
He comprobado que desde otra máquina la barra funciona correctamente.

En principio el dispositivo está conectado:

quique@boulder:~$ bluetoothctl
Agent registered
[[AV] Samsung Soundbar C4-Series]# info
Device 54:15:89:9F:C8:7C (public)
Name: [AV] Samsung Soundbar C4-Series
Alias: [AV] Samsung Soundbar C4-Series
Class: 0x00240404
Icon: audio-headset
Paired: yes
Bonded: yes
Trusted: yes
Blocked: no
Connected: yes
LegacyPairing: no
UUID: Serial Port   (1101--1000-8000-00805f9b34fb)
UUID: Audio Sink(110b--1000-8000-00805f9b34fb)
UUID: A/V Remote Control(110e--1000-8000-00805f9b34fb)

En principio el plugin de ALSA (pipewire-alsa) está activado:

quique@boulder:~$ LANG=C aplay -L | grep -A 1 default
sysdefault
Default Audio Device
--
default
Default ALSA Output (currently PipeWire Media Server)
--
sysdefault:CARD=Audio
USB Audio, USB Audio
--
sysdefault:CARD=sofhdadsp
sof-hda-dsp,


En alsamixer aparece Pipewire, pero el sonido sale por los altavoces
internos del portátil.

[image: image.png]

Y en wpctl no identifico la barra de sonido:

quique@boulder:~$ wpctl status
PipeWire 'pipewire-0' [0.3.65, quique@boulder, cookie:1370529156]
 └─ Clients:
31. pipewire[0.3.65, quique@boulder,
pid:2041]
32. WirePlumber [0.3.65, quique@boulder,
pid:2040]
33. WirePlumber [export][0.3.65, quique@boulder,
pid:2040]
40. xdg-desktop-portal  [0.3.65, quique@boulder,
pid:2200]
41. Cinnamon Volume Control Media Keys  [0.3.65, quique@boulder,
pid:2269]
83. Cinnamon Volume Control [0.3.65, quique@boulder,
pid:2365]
84. Firefox [0.3.65, quique@boulder,
pid:3856]
85. speech-dispatcher-dummy [0.3.65, quique@boulder,
pid:2]
97. wpctl   [0.3.65, quique@boulder,
pid:28780]
   128. pipewire[0.3.65, quique@boulder,
pid:2041]

Audio
 ├─ Devices:
 │  44. USB Audio   [alsa]
 │  45. Comet Lake PCH-LP cAVS  [alsa]
 │
 ├─ Sinks:
 │  35. Comet Lake PCH-LP cAVS HDMI / DisplayPort 3 Output [vol: 1.00]
 │  49. USB Audio Estéreo analógico   [vol: 0.83]
 │  50. Comet Lake PCH-LP cAVS HDMI / DisplayPort 2 Output [vol: 1.00]
 │  51. Comet Lake PCH-LP cAVS HDMI / DisplayPort 1 Output [vol: 0.63]
 │  *   52. Comet Lake PCH-LP cAVS Speaker + Headphones [vol: 0.95]
 │
 ├─ Sink endpoints:
 │
 ├─ Sources:
 │  53. Comet Lake PCH-LP cAVS Headphones Stereo Microphone [vol: 1.00]
 │  *   54. Comet Lake PCH-LP cAVS Digital Microphone [vol: 1.00]
 │  60. USB Audio Estéreo analógico   [vol: 0.56]
 │
 ├─ Source endpoints:
 │
 └─ Streams:
   103. speech-dispatcher-dummy
130. output_FR   > Speaker + Headphones:playback_FR [init]
136. output_FL   > Speaker + Headphones:playback_FL [init]

Video
 ├─ Devices:
 │  42. HP HD Camera[v4l2]
 │  43. HP HD Camera[v4l2]
 │
 ├─ Sinks:
 │
 ├─ Sink endpoints:
 │
 ├─ Sources:
 │  *   46. HP HD Camera (V4L2)
 │
 ├─ Source endpoints:
 │
 └─ Streams:

Settings
 └─ Default Configured Node Names:
 0. Audio/Sink
 
alsa_output.pci-_00_1f.3-platform-skl_hda_dsp_generic.HiFi__hw_sofhdadsp__sink
 1. Audio/Source
 
alsa_input.pci-_00_1f.3-platform-skl_hda_dsp_generic.HiFi__hw_sofhdadsp_6__source

Imagino que será una tontería fácil de solucionar, pero estoy un poco
perdido :-(
¿Supongo que tengo que configurar Pipewire de alguna manera para que
utilice por omisión los altavoces Bluetooth?
¿Cómo?

¡Gracias!


Estos son los paquetes relativos a Bluetooth que tengo instalados:

quique@boulder:~$ dpkg -l | grep -i bluetooth
ii  blueman 2.3.5-2+b1
   amd64Graphical bluetooth manager
ii  bluetooth   5.66-1
   all  Bluetooth support (metapackage)
ii  bluez   5.66-1
   amd64Bluetooth tools and daemons
ii  bluez-alsa-utils4.0.0-2
  amd64Bluetooth Audio ALSA Backend
(utils)
ii  bluez-cups  5.66-1
   amd64Bluetooth printer driver for
CUPS
ii  bluez-tools
2.0~20170911.0.7cb788c-4  amd64Set of tools to
manage Bluetooth devices for linux
ii  broadcom-bt-firmware12.0.1.1105
  all  Firmware 

Fetching local mail

[Paul M Foster]

Folks:

After using claws-mail for a number of years, I'm testing the idea of going
back to mutt and fetchmail. One problem I've encountered is how to get
local mail in /var/mail/paulf into mutt's inbox at /home/paulf/Mail/in.

I could run a POP server, and have fetchmail query it like any other
smarthost, but I'd rather not add another daemon. Does anyone know a way to
have mutt and/or fetchmail grab mail from /var/mail/paulf to
/home/paulf/Mail/in?

Paul


-- 
Paul M. Foster
Personal Blog: http://noferblatz.com
Company Site: http://quillandmouse.com
Software Projects: https://gitlab.com/paulmfoster

Re: unexplained crash on Ubuntu 20.04 system

[Michael Kjörling]

On 18 Nov 2023 01:36 -0500, from noloa...@gmail.com (Jeffrey Walton):
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 7:11 PM Adam Weremczuk  
> wrote:
>> Yesterday SSH on my desktop PC running Ubuntu 20.04 became unresponsive.
> 
> [...] You should probably ask on the ubuntu-users list. [...]

I agree. While Ubuntu is based on Debian, it's far enough removed
these days that the differences can have a rather large impact,
especially for someone who doesn't have hands-on access to the system
and who is trying to determine the cause of a problem; so it makes
sense to start out somewhere with people most familiar with the
distribution you're having issues with. In this case that's Ubuntu;
the argument would be the same were it, say, Mint, Slackware, SuSE or
RHEL.

Which is not to say that whatever the problem is couldn't _also_ have
happened on a Debian system. Just that it didn't in this particular
instance.

If/when you do find out what happened, do however consider posting a
summary here.

-- 
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“Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?”

Re: OT: any South Korean users out there?

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Hellow Jeff,

Jeffrey Walton  writes:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> Please forgive the off-topic question. I want to connect with someone
> from South Korea. I want to understand how competition helps drive
> down the cost of internet service.
>
> I understand South Korea has at least 6 Internet Service Providers in
> some areas. South Koreans enjoy gigabit download speeds at a fraction
> of the cost to their US counterparts. They can download a 4 GB dvd or
> iso in under 2 seconds, and pay the equivalent to about $25/month for
> the service. Or those were the numbers I saw several years ago. (The
> US is a mess because of a US Supreme Court ruling where the idiots in
> black robes decided 2 companies were enough for competition. It has
> ruined competition in every vertical I am aware of).
>
> I want to verify the numbers, and ask some follow up questions.
>

I live in the countryside of South Korea. And using SK Telecom via
mobile. The mobile is my INTERNET Router by hot-spot (Device: LG V30
Androidphone).

And my maximum usage are 2 Gigabytes data per month. If i reach 2
Gigabytes, my download speeds decrease. Just decrease, not stop.

And the total charges are 59900 Won per month.

Again, i just normal user in South Korea. And i do not know about
"gigabit download speed".

Thanks,

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

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Re: approx in debian 12

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 08:28:51PM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 02:02:10PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 05:18:02PM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > > Should we report an error regarding the approx man page which states:
> > 
> 
> Whatever release of approx I have running on the Debian-9 machine
> works flawlessly, but I do hope to upgrade the Debian version on that
> machine.  I suppose I could reinstall on my planned replacement, and
> see whether approx still works with Debian-11, or go back to
> Debian-10, if necessary.
> 
Just on this: please _don't_ go backwards in release version unless this
is an isolated machine that's never going to connect to anything else -
Debian _should_ improve with each version and certainly there are 
security updates and bug fixes with each point release.

Debian 9 is out of main security support and even out of LTS - 
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS .

In order to update that, you'd need to update to 10 then 11, then 12.

Potentially, build a replacement machine with 12 and work on it, then
perhaps decommission the 9 and reformat to 12?

All the very best, as ever,

Andy Cater


> RLH
>