Re: Harassment
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 06:41:02PM -0700, Alan Connor wrote: *plonk* yourself. killfiled I am FED up with you. If you killfile Colin Watson, you obviously dont want good advice. Therefore I suggest you unsubscribe as you have no reason left for being on the list. [I would have sent this off-list but didnt wanna mess with CR] -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Challenge-response mail filters considered harmful
On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 12:32:53PM -0700, Alan Connor wrote: *I* don't get any spam. im guessing you dont get much ham either... -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Easy/Fast way to view a package's debian/changelog
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 04:54:38PM -0500, Michael D. Schleif wrote: I don't think I want to do this ; # sudo apt-get -u install apt=0.5.8 Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: apt-utils aptitude synaptic The following packages will be upgraded apt 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 29 not upgraded. Need to get 718kB of archives. After unpacking 4123kB will be freed. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n Abort. erm, why not just run unstable?? mixed stable/testing/unstable looks like a mess to me and probably doesnt help with getting security fixes for stuff either. my 2p ;-) -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt and changelogs
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 06:10:19PM -0500, Matt Peter wrote: hello, Is there a debian-way of viewing the changelog for an app? I can usually find them .gz'd up on my system, but it's a hassle, is there any simple way to view a changelog? talk about FAQ! second time today!! look at the thread starting with [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subject line Easy/Fast way to view a package's debian/changelog or install apt-listchanges [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache show apt-listchanges Package: apt-listchanges Priority: optional Section: utils Installed-Size: 300 Maintainer: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: all Version: 2.39 Depends: python (= 2.2.2), apt (= 0.5.3), python-apt, debconf, ucf Suggests: x-terminal-emulator, www-browser, debianutils Filename: pool/main/a/apt-listchanges/apt-listchanges_2.39_all.deb Size: 43186 MD5sum: 3a33050ba4003250a82ad2850b9f9624 Description: Display new Debian changelog entries from .deb archives apt-listchanges is a tool to show what has been changed in a new version of a Debian package, as compared to the version currently installed on the system. It does this by extracting the relevant entries from the Debian changelog file, usually found in /usr/share/doc/package/changelog.Debian.gz . It can be run on several .deb archives at a time to get a list of all of the changes that would be effected by installing or upgrading a group of packages. It can be configured to do this automatically during upgrades using apt. -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Easy/Fast way to view a package's debian/changelog
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 09:12:39PM -0500, Michael D. Schleif wrote: And, this is *NOT* valid: deb http://security.debian.org unstable/updates contrib main non-free Please, correct my misunderstandings, Colin; but, what I understand from your message above is that, regardless of an unstable security source, my boxen would be better off as totally, wholly un-stable? erm, not quite sure what your on about, but my understanding is that unstable doesnt need a security source as updated packages will go straight to the unstable tree of the repository. -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: resolv.conf
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 03:58:31PM +0200, Timo Kamph wrote: I had a little trouble installing my ethernet cards drivers. Now the interface is up and works fine. But there is a problem with DNS. /etc/resolv.conf was missing, so i created one, containing a single line: nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx where the xxx stuff is the nameservers ip address. But it won't work. Even not after a reboot. Any ideas? how exactly does it not work, can you ping 216.239.51.100 but not google.com? can you ping the specified name server[s]? at home, the gateway is an xp box :-( so my /etc/resolv.conf looks like: search mshome.net nameserver 192.168.0.1 hope you get it sorted, -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: new-bie problem
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 06:43:57PM +0530, Joydeep Bakshi wrote: Hi all, I can enter into the interactive mode of Redhat by pressing * key i * at the time of booting. but this technique doesn't work in Debian . how to get the same thing in Debian ? what are you meaning by interactive mode? i haven't used rh recently so dont know. If you want to specify a kernel parameter change the kernel line in grub or do something in /etc/lilo.conf if you are using lilo. do you just want to get a console rather than booting into X? ctrl-alt-fx if so.. i cant think of any more ideas for intereactive mode. -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Getting man pages in color
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 02:44:23AM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: How do I get man pages to show in color? used to have it on mandrake at one of the workplaces but never figured out how to enable it under debian. i quite like most and pinfo for displaying man pages/info doc in colour. -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: I'm a Bastard Operator... From Hell.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 09:32:20AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: And, if so, why do you want to screw with him? he's already said hes a bofh ;-) -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: new-bie problem
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 04:49:30PM +0100, Paulo Jorge wrote: The interactive mode of Redhat asks the user what services should be started up during boot but I believe Debian doesn't have anything like that. i guess the best thing to do if you want to start some services sometimes but not others is to mess about with the rc.d symlinks and then specify a runlevel to startup to. iirc debian allways starts in runlevel two, so you could use a couple of the others. -this was suggested a while ago in response to a question about selecting network settings with kernel parameters. sorry cant help with an emulation of the actual mode you were talking about. -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Understanding LILO (was: Using dd to copy a disk)
On Tue, Jul 29, 2003 at 10:45:03AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to ask a dumb question. When booting is lilo.conf read? no. lilo cannot read filesystems. The inverse is what is s good about grub. Or is lilo.conf only used for writing the MBR plus the additional boot sectors? I assume it's not read while booting. correct. -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Netgear 54Mbps Wireless PC Card (32-bit Cardbus WG511) Driver
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 02:39:56PM +0200, Frank Gevaerts wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 07:40:15AM -0400, dhobner wrote: Is there a driver for the Netgear 54Mbps Wireless PC Card (32-bit Cardbus WG511)? If so where can I get it? AFAIK there is no driver available for any 55Mbps card. i dont know if this project is supporting the chipset the above card uses, but its a good sign that support is coming :) http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/ -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Games thru SSH
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 03:34:49PM -0500, Ian Melnick wrote: Hello, all For a while I've been wanting to play games like doom and quake thru an ssh session. I would have settled for 'text mode' quake, but the older libraries provided with it segfault on my system. Then I thought maybe I could use dosemu; as people say doom runs in it, but I've had no luck; it seems to halt before completely loading. do you actually wanna play aalib quake? or connect to a quake server through an ssh tunnel? -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bash: get file modification time query
On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 01:00:19AM +, Robin Gerard wrote:
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 05:32:25PM -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote:
* David selby ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030709 12:08]:
Is there a neater way to get a modification date for a file without ls
-l sed ? I have a bash script that needs to get the info. Because the
file size varies I cannot use cut, it may cut the wrong bit.
stat -c %y $filename
for me:
stat -c %y filename works but stat -c %y $filename doesn't.
$filename or ${filename} is substituted for the contents of environment
variable 'filename'.
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Re: Umbrello
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 10:43:32AM +0700, Oki DZ wrote: Hi, I just downloaded Umbrello, and had this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ umbrello libGL error: failed to open DRM: Operation not permitted libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering depends, does the user you are running it as have permission to connect to the xserver? do you have this: Section DRI Mode 0666 EndSection in your XF86Config-4 ? does your card support gl? do you have DRM in your kernel? [i recently tried to setup DRI/DRM/OpenGL/whatever its called but failed cause my card is unsupported :( [ S3 Inc. SuperSavage IX/C SDR]] -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: test program
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 08:23:50PM +0200, LeVA wrote: Hi! I need a testing program (under console or X) which can test memory, mainboard, cpu, disks, graphics card, network card, sound card etc... Anybody could suggest a nice, and useable one? not sure about actual test programs apart from memtest86 -but that doesnt get all mem errors. Someone [sorry cant remember who] said that video streaming is quite a good hardware test. It figures really massive use of cpu,mem,grafics card, network, and sound. Possibly not much disk use -heh play a video from disk :) hope thats helpful, sorry isnt specifically what you asked for, -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian references
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 05:56:34PM +0200, Schulze Thomas wrote: Where i can find the Debain references? in the fine packaging system :) apt-cache search debian reference -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What directories can be shared between multiple distributions on the same machine??
On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 07:47:45PM +0800, Zhao YouBing wrote: So many distributions, it seems that the life will be easier if they can unite into one, anyway, there is only one breed of kernel. /me humms something about Debian GNU/hurd.. ;) -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Switch full screen progs?
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 12:01:36AM +0100, Paladin wrote: Hi, In X, is it possible to switch between two programs being one in full screen? not an X problem, this is done by your window manager. If you just want to switch between fullscreen apps then matchbox or ratpoison would be good for you. -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bash question
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:28:32AM -0400, David Z Maze wrote: ITYM 'for file in *'... ISTR earlier versions... flip man! i needed two references to `dict` to read your email. Guess i should learn some acronyms! -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Automount
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 03:11:48PM +0200, JZidar wrote: Is there an app or trick that would enable to just pop a cd or floppy in the drive and use it without the need for mount and unmount every time? Can be this built-in in the kernel? Basically this would an aoutmounter of some kind. apt-cache search automount. have i been trolled? -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: simple bash loop problem ...
On Sat, Jun 28, 2003 at 03:03:27PM +0100, David selby wrote: Hello, I am writing bash a bash sed script, it has been going suprisingly well. I need a loop to count 9 times the variable n to the count .. for n=1 to 9 next [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat ./bashtest #!/bin/bash i=0 while [ $i -lt 9 ] do echo f00 i=$((++i)) done [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ./bashtest f00 f00 f00 f00 f00 f00 f00 f00 f00 hope that helps -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: test - please ignore
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Sid Release Number?? [Re: Very odd behavior with XVideo output]
On Thu, Jun 26, 2003 at 12:23:32AM +0200, Roberto Sanchez wrote: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Sid isnt 3.1 [or 3.0r1 possibly?] woody? didnt think sid had a release number. sorry cant help with xv probs. -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How many users?
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 03:26:37AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also wondering how this number compares with the number of unique IP addresses that have downloaded the install CDs. the thing with that is that, of the people who've downloaded cds, many will have copied for their friends =o) -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to shutup syslog
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 05:47:14PM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: What do I need to do to stop syslog from sending messages to the virtual consoles? I am operating in a new Debain testing (aka sarge?) system with a 2.4.18 stock kernel. It's non-graphical, so I'm using different virtual terminals (ctl-alt-F1, etc). if your not using X, alt-F1 etc will do. have you tried mesg n ? or setterm -msg [on|off] (virtual consoles only) Enables or disables the sending of kernel printk() messages to the console. -msglevel 1-8 (virtual consoles only) Sets the console logging level for kernel printk() messages. All messages strictly more important than this will be printed, so a logging level of 0 has the same effect as -msg on and a logging level of 8 will print all kernel messages. klogd(8) may be a more convenient interface to the logging of kernel messages. -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Going Unstable
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 11:01:04PM +0200, Marino Fernandez wrote: On Wednesday 25 June 2003 04:28 am, Bill Morgan wrote: Is this a good time to move to unstable, or is there breakage right now? Should I watch the mailing lists for 12-18 hours after the mirrors update to see if there are problems? (And what time is that, again?) Or am I just being paranoid? I switched from SuSE 8.1 to mostly unstable Debian around a month ago... and I do not have any major woes yet... there are a few bugs, minor ones so far (i.e. KCertManager crashes everytime I try to GPG sign an email with KMail), and some very intimidating warnings (i.e. when I use tha administrator tools of gnome control center, about this software being unstable, and the bad thing that can happen to my machine)... Unstable is unstable cause the distrubtion is unstable there maybe unmet dependencies etc. Theoretically the quality of software once you have an installed system shouldnt be any less. for example, try installing festival in unstable at the mo ;o) -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: You must have Ncurses installed in order to use 'make menuconfig'
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 03:49:12PM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unable to find the Ncurses libraries. You must have Ncurses installed in order to use 'make menuconfig' Even then, I cannot find the ncurses-devel package in dselect, nor on debian's FTP site. If it's not the ncurses-devel package that is missing, what could it be? libncurses5-dev - Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: You must have Ncurses installed in order to use 'make menuconfig'
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 10:39:58PM +0200, Nico Meijer wrote: Hi Breno, I've googled for it, and searched the debian-user lists' archive, and found nothing useful there, except for one page which refers to SUSE, and said: That's weird, the solution should have been in the archives. I'll go check.. Even then, I cannot find the ncurses-devel package in dselect, nor on debian's FTP site. If it's not the ncurses-devel package that is missing, what could it be? libncurses5-dev I've had the same trouble, as all newbies, it seems, and have made it my single most important task in life not to forget *that*. ;-) i dont think anyones gonna ask that round here for a while... If only that were true, the prob with FAQs is -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: screenshot of mplayer-movie?
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 07:20:22PM +, Matthias Leopold wrote: hi although this isn't debian-specific, i hope someone can help me (i AM using debian). how can i make screenshots of playing videos(maybe fullscreen)? i've tried to do this using the import program from ImageMagick, but it obviously doesn't work. somewhere i read that i should disable the xvideo extension to make screenshots of movies, but i don't know how to do this. im using the commercial nvidia driver and the mplayer debs from http://marillat.free.fr/ on a (mostly) testing system. everything works fine, except i can't make screenshots to brag with... mplayer -vo help i guess you want -vo x11 if -vo xv messes up screen shots [which i guess it does seeming as it overlays] -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GRUB problem
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 07:21:20PM +1200, cr wrote: On Tuesday 24 June 2003 01:27, Hugh Saunders wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 12:52:01AM +1200, cr wrote: I'm still booting off floppy and trying to get GRUB sorted. erm, not quite sure whats wrong but what happens if you boot grub from floppy then run root (hd0,0) then setup (hd0) from floppy? That actually worked previously with Red Hat (on a different hard drive). I just tried it on this setup and got: grub root (hd0,0) Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 grub setup (hd0) Checking if /boot/grub/Stage1 exists ... no Checking if /grub/Stage1 exists ... no Error 15: File not found /boot/boot/grub/Stage1 does exist, though. (And df confirms that I have got /dev/hda1 mounted as /boot) For some reason GRUB can't see the files. grub find /boot/grub/stage1 (or any other file) brings up a 'File not found' you could try copying the whole of /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/ to your /boot/boot Thats what i tend to do [i didnt realise that grub-install copies stuff for you!] grub can list files for you once you have set root. type / then tab and see what files actually are on your boot partition. -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to count actual users?
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 01:03:00AM +0200, Paul Wright wrote: I decided that it may be easier to get a reasonable count of how many known users of Debian can be counted by the number of unique email addresses have suscribed to the lists hosted here. from http://lists.debian.org/stats/ you can say number of users = 31880 unless people subscribe to debian-announce twice. not sure how you would calculate the actual number of unique subscribed addresses unless you were a listmaster. -- hugh pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: bash: how to split a $var ?
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 11:25:37AM +0100, David selby wrote:
In bash how can I split a string eg ...
var1=0624todaysfile
I want var2 to equal the first 4 digits, ie 0624
My first instinct was cut but this is for files only, head tail are of
no use ...
echo $var1 |cut -c 5-${#var1}
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Re: GRUB problem
On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 12:52:01AM +1200, cr wrote: I'm still booting off floppy and trying to get GRUB sorted. erm, not quite sure whats wrong but what happens if you boot grub from floppy then run root (hd0,0) then setup (hd0) from floppy? -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xrdb
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 11:33:42PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 02:29:09AM +0100, Hugh Saunders wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 12:20:46AM +0200, Benedict Verheyen wrote: thanks, i had ~/.Xresources, renaming it Xdefaults got it read by default, thanks :) Using 'xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources' would work, too. next prob, now all my xterms are started with nice colours i have a very strange issue. All windows in ratpoison are full screen. Hitting ^t c spawns a new xterm. In the new xterms, when i type vim, sometimes vim takes up the whole xterm but on other occasions it only uses a section of the xterm in the top left hand corner. I did ^t c, vi, :q!, ^d 10 times to see if there was a pattern to wether vim occupied the whole xterm, i recorded the results: full,topleft,topleft,full,full,topleft,full,topleft,full,full very strange behaviour, and seemingly without pattern :( any idea why vim [or mutt] or any console program would occupy the full xterm? note that ls and cat do use the whole of the xterm even when vim/mutt/modconf/etc just use a portion. xterm should keep track of it's size and inform the apps running within it this fact, and send them a signal when it changes. I've sometimes noticed this happen with Eterm (and xterm); resizing the affected window has always fixed the problem, so I assume it's xterm or something getting confused for a second. It's usually only if I resize a window while it's still loading, which would seem to be what rat poison does. I don't know if you can resize windows in rat poison at all, so this might not be any help at all, sorry :) thanks for comments, i have foundout that its a known bug in ratpoison and there is a hack to re-inform apps of their size [default bind ^t-l ] -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: America's Army
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 04:36:29PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 10:08:32AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2003-06-23 at 05:42, Aryan Ameri wrote: I don't know why everybody is flaming Bijan. I think his argument is valid. Call me a zealot, or anything you want, but I really care about my freedom. Accept is guys, there are people out there, who care about We're a bit peeved because of his intolerant I hate software that I can't copy and modify attitude. Should I hate homosexuals because I am heterosexual? Er, geez, talk about a flawed analogy. i agree, now i dont like oranges, so should i hate nazis?? oh look, a mention of the nazis, i declare this thread dead :p [sorry if they have been mentioned allready... i havent been reading] -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: America's Army
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 07:31:46PM +0100, iain d broadfoot wrote: * Hugh Saunders ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: i agree, now i dont like oranges, so should i hate nazis?? oh look, a mention of the nazis, i declare this thread dead :p you do know that doesn't work, right? evidently ;) but was worth a try!! -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: America's Army
On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 10:21:52PM +0100, iain d broadfoot wrote: * Hugh Saunders ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 07:31:46PM +0100, iain d broadfoot wrote: * Hugh Saunders ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: i agree, now i dont like oranges, so should i hate nazis?? oh look, a mention of the nazis, i declare this thread dead :p you do know that doesn't work, right? evidently ;) but was worth a try!! actually, it's been proven not to work: 6. Hitler! Ha! The thread is over! Nope, doesn't work that way. Not only is it wrong to say that a thread is over when Godwin's Law is invoked anyway (Usenet threads virtually always outlive their usefulness), but long ago a corollary to the Law was proposed and accepted by Taki Quirk Kogama ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Quirk's Exception: Intentional invocation of this so-called Nazi Clause is ineffectual. Sorry, folks. Nice try, though. who said my invocation was intentional? -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
syntax [grep/tee]
hello, a couple of fairly simple bashish questions: 1. whats the advantage of using |tee -a rather than ? 2. how can i consolidate |grep -v from |grep -v archive? - i think it should be something like |grep -v \(archive|from\) but that doesnt seem to work.. thanks :) -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: finally got changed
On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 06:57:31PM +1200, cr wrote: Errm, me too (though I'm still in the process of sorting Debian). ~aolify cr :-) I hadnt used deadrat much till last night at lug meeting was trying to sort out this dudet's wifi card. Things are all over the place! /var/log/syslog doesnt exist... [found it in /var/logroate.d i think] Thankfully had my debian install for refernce and nicking bits of pcmica config. I think im a little too dependant upon debian though, would be very, very lost in a differnt form of unix/linux. I guess my point is enjoy debian but dont get hoplelessly dependant upon it! I think i should install RH or something just so my knowledge is a little broader. -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: open office compatibility
On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 12:30:06PM -0500, ian wrote: Is Open Office v1.0.3.1 compatible with woody (kern. ver. 2.4.18)? http://www.apt-get.org/search.php?query=openofficesubmit=arch%5B%5D=i386 -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Burning DVD onto CD
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 04:46:20AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Most DVD players on the market just happen to be able to play VCDs and SVCDs. This is probably what you meant. I was under the impression that DVD is mpeg2 and so is SVCD? -could be wildly wrong there! Having said that, i had a nice raw mpeg2 .bin image which played fine in mplayer but when burnt to cd the DVD player said format unsupported :( mplayer will play the cd with the SVCD option. -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to set xdm as default
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 11:39:08AM +0800, Terence Ng wrote: I have modified /etc/X11/default-display-manager, it shows: /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm have you checked that xdm actually exists in that location? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ which xdm /usr/bin/X11/xdm -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Internet Browser Preferences
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 10:55:05PM +0200, Frank Van Damme wrote: On Monday 16 June 2003 21:39, Karsten M. Self wrote: I don't believe the PII was shipped less than 200MHz, so what I'm saying is: pre-PII HW, you're going to want a lighter-weight option. Opera then. i wouldnt say opera was light! i rember seeing screenshots of links with graphics support at one point, but im not sure what the point of that was. -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to set xdm as default
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 06:43:46PM +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote: On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 12:00, Hugh Saunders wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ which xdm /usr/bin/X11/xdm And: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ~ $ ls -l /usr/bin/X11 lrwxrwxrwx1 root root 12 May 25 11:08 /usr/bin/X11 - ../X11R6/bin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ~ $ ah ok, hadnt noticed that! -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alias in .xsession
On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 07:23:19PM -0400, Stephen Touset wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: Stephen Touset wrote: I'm trying to set up my .xsession to include an alias Unfortunately, the alias isn't created--when I run Eterm from the menu, it doesn't include the options. I'm positive that the file is being sourced, because the CVSROOT environment variable is being set correctly. How can I get the alias to apply to my Enlightenment session? Environment variables are inherited from parent to child. Since your terminals are all children of the parent xsession you can pass environment variables down. But you can't pass aliases to children. Instead you need to put them in your .bashrc or other shell environment file. Bob This won't work, though. I'm trying to get it so that any attempt to execute Eterm from within the Enlightenment menus will execute the alias. This is so that I can add in an entry for (for example) Eterm -e gdb, without having to retype all the other tags for it each time I make another entry. Not to mention, if I ever decide to change the options, I'll only have to change it in one place, not in sixty. For now, I just did an export ETERM=-t auto --trans -f rgb:dd/dd/dd, and I use Eterm $ETERM in all the menu files. if you feel like breaking a nut with a sledge hammer, you could: #!/bin/bash export EP=`which Eterm` mv $EP $EP.real echo -e \#\!/bin/bash\\nexec $EP.real \-t auto \-\-trans \-f rgb:dd/dd/dd $EP chmod a+x $EP -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to set xdm as default
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 07:19:25PM +0800, Terence Ng wrote: Hi! How do I set xdm as default? I have tried: rcconf and select xdm and /etc/init.d/xdm start but message shows: Not starting X display manager (xdm); it is not the default display manager. I have viewed /etc/X11/default-display-manager and it shows: /etc/bin/gdm but I do not know how to set, since there is no /etc/bin/xdm such file. What can I do? which xdm /etc/X11/default-display-manager -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to set xdm as default
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 07:12:43AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Since there's no real benefit to having more than one display manager installed, dpkg --purge gdm, dpkg-reconfigure -plow xdm [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ man dpkg-reconfigure |grep plow [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ been doing some farming?? -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to set xdm as default
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 04:10:17PM +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote: First, you really should use aptitude to install and remove stuff. Try that first. Its fine to suggest aptitude, its usefull in some situations, but i dont think you can say that people _should_ use it. People can install packages however they like apt-get, dpkg, aptitude, synaptic, wajig, etc. -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to set xdm as default
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 07:58:38AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 04:36:06PM +0100, Hugh Saunders wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ man dpkg-reconfigure |grep plow [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ been doing some farming?? The man page is out of date if it doesn't include -plow... ah spotted this: -pvalue, --priority=value Specify the minimum priority of question that will be displayed. dpkg-reconfigure normally shows low priority questions no matter what your default priority is. i guess -plow means --priority=low excuse my denseness. -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to set xdm as default
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 08:57:19PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 04:42:43PM +0100, Hugh Saunders wrote: On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 04:10:17PM +0200, Mario Vukelic wrote: First, you really should use aptitude to install and remove stuff. Try that first. Its fine to suggest aptitude, its usefull in some situations, but i dont think you can say that people _should_ use it. People can install packages however they like apt-get, dpkg, aptitude, synaptic, wajig, etc. However, I think it's safe to say that if they can't debug their own problems then they shouldn't be using dpkg directly. :) well maybe im a strange case, but i seem to learn by breaking stuff :) -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: old interne modem (ISA)
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 11:22:58PM +, Robin Gerard wrote: On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 12:33:16AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 12:36:06AM +, Robin Gerard wrote: Can someone tell me what I forgot to do or which type of internal modem (ISA) works with linux. Sure. Finely ground, your internal modem will make an extremely strong cup of coffee. Okay, I've mad coffee with my internal modem who's volonteers for a cup ? ^ very apt :) -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xrdb
hello, i have an xrdb -load line in my .xsession which loads some xterm resources from a file. The .xsession then spawns the wm [rat poison] and an xterm. The xterm spawned by .xsession has the correct resources but if i use ratpoison to start a new xterm it has the default resources. I had thought there was an /etc/X11/xdefaults or something like that for speciftying resources, but i cant find it! thanks for any help, -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
grub, bios drives
---GRUB shell- GNU GRUB version 0.93 (640K lower / 3072K upper memory) [ Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists the possible completions of a device/filename. ] grub find /vmlinuz (hd0,3) grub setup (hd0) Error 12: Invalid device requested grub setup (hd0,0) Error 12: Invalid device requested -- also: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/hugh$ grub-install /dev/discs/disc0/disc /dev/discs/disc0/disc does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. Any idea how to get grub to install on a stubbon ibm T23? [i had grub installed before but messed it up playing with a patched grub that didnt work so now im installing grub from the sid package.] thanks, -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: old interne modem (ISA)
On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 12:33:16AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 12:36:06AM +, Robin Gerard wrote: Can someone tell me what I forgot to do or which type of internal modem (ISA) works with linux. Sure. Finely ground, your internal modem will make an extremely strong cup of coffee. Consider an external modem instead, they're way less troublesome. I agree, but if you have spare int ones, non winmodems [ie onees that have proper serial controllers], or lucent winmodems seem to work fine. -- Hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grub, bios drives
On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 10:20:22AM +0200, Torquil Macdonald Sørensen wrote: If I recall correctly, I had to use quotes around the (hd0) when I ran grub-install: $ grub-install (hd0) either that or grub-install \(hd0\) to prevent bash nicking the brackets, shouldnt be a prob in grub shell though? -- Hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Disappearing cursor in opera
On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 11:12:25AM +0200, Jan C. Nordholz wrote: Time and again, opera eats my keyboard cursor, i.e. the graphical bar disappears, and further key events are obviously discarded. I have experienced that and it annoyed me, so i now use konqueror or mozilla-firebird neither of which suffer from keytroke lossage. -- Hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: old interne modem (ISA)
On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 03:09:49AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 09:39:38AM +0100, Hugh Saunders wrote: I agree, but if you have spare int ones, non winmodems [ie onees that have proper serial controllers], or lucent winmodems seem to work fine. Even then, I say chuck it. Telephone line surge suppressors introduce line noise making it not worth having a modem faster than 28.8kbps, and I don't consider it terribly bright to go plugging anything capable of being hit by lightning or a car into a component not designed to take a surge and stopping it (as decent power supplies do) that plugs straight into my motherboard. External modems have at least some hope of just blowing out without passing surge voltage up the serial line. If you have telephone poles on your circuit, this *is* an issue. I'd rather blow a $50 modem instead of a $10 modem and a $250 motherboard. Another strike against internal modems, hardware and otherwise: If it's crapping out, you have absolutely no diagnostic output. Nada. External modems provide you with some fairly helpful LEDs. yeah, you win, next time i buy a modem it will be external. Bear in mind that i havent bought a modem yet :) -i nick them out of old machines people have a habbit of giving me when they upgrade. Also i hope i shant need aa modem, a nic for broadband would be better :D -- Hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to compile a 2.5.x Kernel
On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 12:12:24PM +0200, Mariano Kamp wrote: Hi, My googling hasn't been a success so far. It's tough to find the right keywords ;-( Can anybody point me out to a howto or a relevant posting about aquiring/compiling/installing 2.5.69? Or with the right search terms? ;-) if iwas feeling rude i would point out that if you cant work out how to get 2.5.69, yout not up to using it!! anyway wget [something from countrycode.kernel.org] tar xvv(j|z)f foo.tar.(bz2|gz) make menuconfig make-kpkg clean make-kpkg kernel_image -- Hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grub, bios drives
On Sat, Jun 14, 2003 at 01:39:57PM -0400, Kevin McKinley wrote: On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 09:07:40 +0100 Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: grub find /vmlinuz (hd0,3) grub setup (hd0) Error 12: Invalid device requested grub setup (hd0,0) Error 12: Invalid device requested From the grub prompt did you do root before setup? no, that was my error, thanks. so its installed grub, now to reboot and check it works [hopefully without the aid of a floppy this time!] -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xrdb
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 12:20:46AM +0200, Benedict Verheyen wrote: Op za 14-06-2003, om 09:46 schreef Hugh Saunders: hello, i have an xrdb -load line in my .xsession which loads some xterm resources from a file. The .xsession then spawns the wm [rat poison] and an xterm. The xterm spawned by .xsession has the correct resources but if i use ratpoison to start a new xterm it has the default resources. I had thought there was an /etc/X11/xdefaults or something like that for speciftying resources, but i cant find it! thanks for any help, -- hugh I've set up a ~/Xdefaults file to do this. Mind that it's not x but X. Try to set one up in your home dir and see how that goes. thanks, i had ~/.Xresources, renaming it Xdefaults got it read by default, thanks :) next prob, now all my xterms are started with nice colours i have a very strange issue. All windows in ratpoison are full screen. Hitting ^t c spawns a new xterm. In the new xterms, when i type vim, sometimes vim takes up the whole xterm but on other occasions it only uses a section of the xterm in the top left hand corner. I did ^t c, vi, :q!, ^d 10 times to see if there was a pattern to wether vim occupied the whole xterm, i recorded the results: full,topleft,topleft,full,full,topleft,full,topleft,full,full very strange behaviour, and seemingly without pattern :( any idea why vim [or mutt] or any console program would occupy the full xterm? note that ls and cat do use the whole of the xterm even when vim/mutt/modconf/etc just use a portion. thanks again, -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qiv usage question
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 10:05:26AM -0400, stan wrote: Yesterday I saw a recomendation for qiv as an image viewer on this list. I'd never heard of it, and had beeen using xv and fbi for various things. I really like qiv as used like this qiv -f -m -d 3 -s -r, it works a lot like my favorite fbi usgae. However, there is still one thing I'm having trouble with. When running it like that, acording to the man page, I should be able to use page up, or the right mouse click to go back an image. However this is not working for me. Instead they both take me foward an minage, just like page down od lef mouse. I'm using the version from testing. Is this a known bug, or am I doing somethign wrong? fwd/bak works with qiv -fmsd 3 *.jpg but not with qiv -fmsrd 3 *.jpg, so maybe its a feature of random mode that you cant go backwards ;) -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kill a process that refuses to die?
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 05:34:51PM -0400, lists1 wrote: What can I do to kill a process that refuses to be killed? depends, can be rather tricky if processes have the zombie flag. kill or kill -9 usually works though. -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fluxbox
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 03:51:22PM -0500, SwordSaint0 wrote: snip mess [fluxbox] Excuse my noseyness, but whats wrong with the flux packaged for debian? Ive used the packages from woody and sid, both of which have worked fine for me. If you really really want to compile, you could get the source with apt-get source fluxbox, then patch, play about and build your own package. -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: old interne modem (ISA)
On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 12:36:06AM +, Robin Gerard wrote: Hello, I installed an old internal modem in my box : my (old) box : 486 SX OS = potato my modem: Sporter Winmodem 56k The modem works fine with win98 on COM3 With potato I use ttyS2 (in the BIOS I enable COM3) but pppconfig (or wvdial) doesn't find the modem ? However my external modem 3com US Robotics 56 k works fine on ttyS1. Can someone tell me what I forgot to do or which type of internal modem (ISA) works with linux. It used to be winmodem=throw it away and get another one, but now there is some support. Check out the ltmodem drivers, actually dont bother, from the readme: Hopeless This kit will FAIL to support currently known winmodems with chipsets produced by Conexant, Motorola, Intel and US Robotics. AMR modems from Lucent/Agere and other manufacturers and not suppoorted by this driver pair. sorry to not be much help, -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can anyone reccomend an app to ..
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 12:44:04PM +0100, David selby wrote: I have been given 2xcdroms of photoes in jpeg format from australia. I would like to view them full screen scaled to the screen size and idealy flick through them. I have tried various apps xzgv,gphoto, konqueror etc but I need an app that can select the 200 photoes at once then let me view them scaled to the screen, none of these fit the bill. At present the nearest I have is setting the photoes as multiple backgrounds, scaled, changing at 1 min intervals. Any suggestions ? fbi or qiv -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mysterious network traffic
On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 01:13:32AM -0400, ScruLoose wrote: To start with, can anyone recommend what command or program I would use to simply see what process is using bandwidth... (anything out there like top for the network?) Any other ideas or suggestions? as allready suggested, iptraf is good for what you want, but as you asked for top for networks i must suggest ntop :) its a bit clumsy -has http interface but does generate some good statistics and draw nice graphs :D -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cant use mailing list
uOn Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 01:45:14AM +0100, Fred Bowker wrote: This is a really dumb question but I don't know how to post a follow up message in the mailing list How to post a reply thanks for any answers ill test them by replying a message to the thread Problem: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Resolution: apt-get install mutt :) -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: s key stopped working in console and xterm [SOLVED]
On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 02:35:09AM +0200, Benedict Verheyen wrote: Well, i tested this again and it's connected to that line. I've put the setterm -blength 0 command in the /etc/inputrc file, saved and then logged in. My s was gone again. I removed the line, exit, logged in again. s key worked again. guess colins right, .inputrc wouldnt be where i'd put it [havent heard of .inputrc before] anyway, if all else fails, disconnect the pc-beeper :) -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cant use mailing list
On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 10:20:10AM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote: If the OP wants to join the list to climb the debian learning curve, it is likely that he's not yet installed Linux, in which case mutt is probably not an option. Would Eudora be a more relistic alternative? If i was feeling really cheeky, i would mention http://www.geocities.com/win32mutt/win32.html but thats not really a very good soluiton, I agree Eudora is a good choice for the mean time. But there again I was a complete *nix novice ;-) I suspect OP may be similar. I guess you have a point... I played with linux for a few years before i had a net connection so was ready for mutt once i got one :) Did flirt with kmail and Evolution, but nah not what i was looking for. -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CF errors in syslog
Hello, i have a CF card which i mount with a PCMCIA-CF adaptor, when i
insert the adapter, i get the following messages in syslog:
[wrapping disabled]
Jun 9 16:19:18 anni cardmgr[234]: executing: 'modprobe ide-cs'
Jun 9 16:19:21 anni kernel: hde: 256MB CHH, CFA DISK drive
Jun 9 16:19:21 anni kernel: ide2 at 0x140-0x147,0x14e on irq 5
Jun 9 16:19:21 anni kernel: hde: attached ide-disk driver.
Jun 9 16:19:21 anni kernel: hde: task_no_data_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady
SeekComplete Error }
Jun 9 16:19:21 anni kernel: hde: task_no_data_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError }
Jun 9 16:19:21 anni kernel: hde: 500400 sectors (256 MB) w/1KiB Cache, CHS=695/15/48
Jun 9 16:19:21 anni kernel: /dev/ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: unknown partition table
Jun 9 16:19:21 anni kernel: ide_cs: hde: Vcc = 3.3, Vpp = 0.0
Jun 9 16:19:21 anni cardmgr[234]: executing: './ide start hde'
The strange thing is that i can dd 256 MBs of /dev/urandom to the card
and read it back without any reported errors.
Would the consensus be to return the card?
Thanks for any comments,
--
hugh
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Re: s key stopped working in console and xterm [SOLVED]
On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 11:24:03PM +0200, Benedict Verheyen wrote: Yes! Woohoo! You da man! I checked my /etc/inputrc file and bingo, there was a setterm -blength 0 line in there that caused the s to disappear. surely that just means, that the terminal wont beep? -blength [0-2000] Sets the bell duration in milliseconds. Without an argument, defaults to 0. cant see how thats connected to your disappearing s's Commenting that line out solved the whole problem. how stange! -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: exiting chroot
On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 05:53:22PM -0400, Charles Roberts wrote: Hi; I am installing Debian from another linux system (this one) on the same machine. To set some thing up the instructions ask me to do a 'chroot /dev/debinst'. All works ok. But how do I exit 'chroot' gracefully? I can always 'kill -9 pid-of vc-terminal'. Is there a better way? ^d :) -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where is the kernel config file?
On Fri, Jun 06, 2003 at 04:42:06PM +0200, David List wrote: Where does one find the kernel config file for the kernel that is installed by default on a Debian system? /boot/foo.config if your gonna compile your own, [recomended] use make-kpkg. -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie-Help in configuring IceWm
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 06:54:04PM +0530, SRIKANTH NS wrote: I also installed IceWm by apt-get install icewm. gd idea :) Problem 1. Since this is a low end m/c , I wanted to use only IceWm. what ya mean 'only' icewm? IM(NS)HO icewm is hardcore :D But during installation I gave gdm as the display manager. Now login screen shows only GNome,KDE and failsafe only as the sessions. hmm, gdm gives me the following options: o last o Debian o Icewm o Gnome o Xsession o Fluxbox o Failsafe Gnome o Failsafe xterm when i use gdm [not often, too pretty] i use 'Debian' which seems to just execute ~/.xsession which suits me. [then i just uncomment whatever i wanna use, ratpoison :) or ice usually.] you could apt-get install xdm which i think allways executes .xsession and is much less pretty. Next I made a .xinitrc file in my home directory with a line exec /usr/X11R6/bin/icewm my .xsession file: #!/bin/bash xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources xsetroot -solid black xterm ratpoison #icewm exit 0 Problem2. I find screen resolution only 640 x 480. The card (ATI Mach64) is capable of 1024 x 768. In Redhat , I used to login as root and type setup in which xsetup can be changed. Is there any other easy tool like that ? Or do I have to go to the complicated process of editing XFree 86 file ? vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or XFree86 -configure -- Hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to Identify Mailing Lists
On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 12:40:17PM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 02:41:37AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: Or maybe it's easier to just lobby the various MLM authors to add List-Id? If so, where could I find a list of MLMs and their respective authors? When you find a list that doesn't, point out the RFC and ask the list operator to enable it. If he says there's no option, find out what he's running and file their equivilent of a normal bug with it's maintainer. That RFC's been on the standards track for two years now without getting nixed, if MLM maintainers haven't gotten around to implimenting it, they need to now. Er... is debian-user using List-Id? I don't seem to be able to locate it in the headers... Might be my eyes, of course, ;-) im late to this thread so may have missed the point but: X-Mailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] seems to be in the headers or all the emails from debian-user. That would be a fairly good way of identifying the list? -- hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: horse at the gate
On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 02:02:49AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: I know KDE's file browser knows how to figure it out, but I'm not sure what it is using to do so. would make sense to use /etc/magic but i bet it doesnt. -- Hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GRUB question - book2
On Sun, Apr 06, 2003 at 09:32:53AM -0500, Hanasaki JiJi wrote: book2 so the other thread isn't hijacked. What are the pros/cons of usin Grub vs Lilo? Lilo vs Grub? I have had great success with SystemCommander+PartitionCommander (not free and not expensive). Tried using lilo the other day with no issues. Tried switching over to grub with apt-get install grub and had to redo the harddrive. redo the harddrive i hope you dont mean reinstall? however much you fsck the bootsector you should still be able to boot from a floppy and sort it? Any tips on using grub? RTM make sure you have the relevant stage 1,1.5,2 vim /etc/boot/grub/menu.1st (not menu.lst as i thought it was when trying to seup grub!) and set how you like. if grub-install doesnt work, use setup from the grub shell. Key deciding factor for me is no dependancy on an installed OS that is normally under use. _commander installs in its own 40meg partition at the front of the disk. yeah, you could stick a grub floppy in a windows box and boot windows from it... wouldnt be much point but it would work. hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: login as root to GUI
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 08:18:30AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't meant to be picking on you. But I've been considering this for a while. People shouldn't wrap lines at all in messages they send -- this is a hoary hold-over from the dark ages. while you are using debian mailing lists, you shall comply with the list rules: [from debian.org/Mailinglists] Code of conduct When using the Debian mailing lists, please follow these rules: Do not send spam; see the advertising policy below. *Send all of your e-mails in English. Only use other languages on mailing lists where that is explicitely allowed (e.g. French on debian-user-french). *Make sure that you are using the proper list. In particular, don't send user-related questions to developer-related mailing lists. *Wrap your lines at 80 characters or less for ordinary discussion. Lines longer than 80 characters are acceptable for computer-generated output (e.g., ls -l). *Do not send automated out-of-office or vacation messages. *Do not send subscription or unsubscription requests to the list address itself; use the respective -request address instead. *Never send your messages in HTML; use plain text instead. *Avoid sending large attachments. *When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a carbon copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request to be copied. *If you send messages to lists to which you are not subscribed, always note that fact in the body of your message. *Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via packet radio, where swearing is illegal. *Try not to flame; it is not polite. hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] email standard maximum line length
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:31:09PM -0800, Paul E Condon wrote: I am getting email from an old friend who is not a Debian type like me. He types his email into a window on what he calls 'just a standard PC' and the computer automatically starts new lines on his screen when needed. His software is, in his words, 'just plain mail software, nothing special'. Sometimes his emails are longer than a few dozen words, and when they exceed about one thousand characters of text, they are truncated. The last part of what he typed is simply missing from my copy. I suppose that there is a line buffer somewhere in the chain of delivery that is 1000 or 1024 bytes long. read the headers and try figure which mua he's using, then google for info/manuals for it and try figure how to set wrapping. Then translate your findings into something he will understand and transmit (via phone?? while he is sitting at the comp?) if headers are non-conclusive try probing him a little more with suble questions like what is the icon you click to start your email thingy called? im so patronising with clueless people!! ironic really as 90% of the time i display said property myself. anyway... hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: login as root to GUI
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:19:02AM +0200, Yaron wrote: Since I rebooted my machine in the 1st time I can't login as root through the gui login screen. I get error msg system administrator can't login from this screen i use xdm as my gui login screen and havent seen this message before. which display manager are you using? have you read its config files/scripts? If I login as 'normal' user it's ok, and than I can use su and switch to root, but no matter what I tried, I can't login to the machine as root. (tried to delete all other users and leave only root account - couldn't login AT ALL had to re-install...not funny at all) im sure re-install was not necessary -even if you cant login as root you can pass init=/bin/sh as a kernel parameter then you get a shell without having to login. Each time after I reboot it opens the GUI login screen, so it's not like I can login without X and than use startX... CtrlaltFn where n is a vt [virtual terminal] number usually 7 that should allow you to login without X. H E L P ! yep, you need it ;) mind you, dont we all. hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: login as root to GUI
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 04:50:59PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [something that wasnt wrapped @~80cols] Being a newbie I had the same problem that you had I couldnt log onto X with the root account. This is actually meant to be that way. The reason being is that if you want to do any system administration you should log in with a regular account and use the SU command as you mentioned below that you had done that. When you find yourself at the Windows X log on screen and only have the root account created, you can switch to the command line by using ALT-F7 I think, if that is not the right command then read the man pages and it should be there. erm... nearly! alt-F7 will switch you back to X from command line as X by default runs on virtual terminal 7. [you can change/check this in /etc/inittab] Once in the command line, you are allowed to log in as root (Although still not recommended) and you can create a user account. I hope that helps! root is recomended for admin tasks -thats what its there for, its only not recomended for 'normal' stuff ie reading mail,irc,coding or whatever you getup to. where you are allowed to login as root from is configureable. For example to allow|disallow root login from ssh, look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config for X, read the the config files for you display manager. linux has defaults but they arent hard set as in certain other operating systems. hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why am I no longer receiving the digest?
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 12:56:56AM +0100, Clive Standbridge wrote: PS I hope this will thread correctly; I read the message in the web archive and faked the In-reply-to header. yes mutt showed it as threaded normally -v clever of you:) hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: been up that long_root is jello
On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 02:38:34AM -0800, robert marley wrote: I know about booting from the install CD. at boot: i issue RESCUE boot halts at Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 01:00 . resuce root=/dev/hda1 is what i would use, substitute for your root partition hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian question
On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 08:48:57PM +0200, Hans Ad wrote: How do I make a SSH server, and forward that port? apt-get install sshd but it should be installed by default. switch configuration depends on the type of switch you have. please answer in dutch that is forbid by the mailing list rules. from http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ Send all of your e-mails in English. Only use other languages on mailing lists where that is explicitely allowed (e.g. French on debian-user-french). debian user mailing lists are available for the following langs: debian-user [english] debian-user-catalan debian-user-danish debian-user-de debian-user-french debian-user-german debian-user-indonesian debian-user-polish debian-user-portuguese debian-user-spanish debian-user-swedish debian-user-turkish hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: network
On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 04:57:01PM -0700, Glenn English wrote: (Another problem: I can't find the boot log. Where is it on Debian?) dmesg The networking isn't set at all - eth0 doesn't exist (ifconfig and webmin both say so, and the ready LED on the Orinoco card is off) and there's no default route. are the appropriate modules loaded? has cardmgr been started? hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /etc/network/interfaces problem
On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 07:20:35PM -0500, Thomas H. George,,, wrote: On bootup ifconfig shows only the loopback interface while ifconfig -a shows the above values but wla0 is not up. The command ifup wlan0 produces a reponse that wlan0 is already configured. If I then enter the following two commands: ifconfig wlan0 192.168.2.105 route add default gw 192.168.2.1 the wlan0 interface comes up and the gateway to the internet is open. Can anyone help? hmmm i would whistle quietly and add those commands to boomisc.sh but im sure someone will be able to come up with a much better plan. hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: network
On Tue, Apr 01, 2003 at 07:46:11PM -0700, Glenn English wrote: That did it - pretty much. It took killall cardmrg to get pcmcia to stop. Restart said it was busy. There's only one PCMCIA card in this machine. I don't know what it was busy doing... i think cardmgr manages the pcmcia controller rather than the card so even if there are no cards inserted/enabled cardmgr should still be running. hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: remote admin via network
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 05:25:21PM +1100, Lindsay Yardley wrote: G'day all, Now I've got a fileserver all configured and worked out the neccessary redundancy senario's, I'd like to administer it remotely. I know of webmin and someone suggested ssh in another thread any other methods i should look at. once your looked at ssh, you need look no further :) ssh is cool! can even be used from 9600bps mob but thats a little laggy... hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Acron A5000
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 09:11:09AM +, Paul Grenyer wrote: I'm new to this list and I am hoping someone can answer a quick straight forward question for me. I have looked on the website and did try the archives, but there doesn't seem to be a way to do a global search...? groups.google.com :) Anyway, can someone tell me if I can install Debian on my Acron A5000, is that a persistent mis-spelling? do you mean acorn A5000? http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/status is a good place to start, mentions A5000 as not yet but soon:) maybe able to use my a3000 in a while then!! hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 11:24:03AM +0100, Joachim Trinkwitz wrote: Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 04:50:16PM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: Yeah but who wants a Smash-n-toss?? ;-) me gots a powerbook520 and it is so fustrating! there are no flippin keyboard commands! click finder to switch between netscape and telnet! grrr. [...] ps: have looked at debian port for mac but the only hardware that isnt supported is the nic, so there wouldnt be much point in trying that. What about switching to Mac OS X -- full featured FreeBSD under the hood _plus_ nice looking Aqua GUI over the hood _plus_ ability to use any Unix software you can think of, even XFree86 -- in fact, even apt-get as packet manager! hmm nice try but do you have any idea what a powerbook 520 consists of?? introduced May 16, 1994 at $2,270; discontinued June 10, 1995 requires System 7.1.1 or later; highest version supported without a PPC upgrade is Mac OS 8.1. CPU: 25 MHz 68LC040 FPU: none ROM: 2 MB RAM: 4 MB, expandable to 36 MB using a special 100ns pseudostatic RAM card VRAM: 512 KB display: 9.5 4-bit 640x480 passive matrix 160 MB or 240 MB hard drive standard ADB port for keyboard and mouse DIN-8 serial port on back of computer ethernet port using AAUI connector PowerBook SCSI connector on back of computer proprietary modem slot Gestalt ID: 72 Size (HxWxD): 2.3 x 11.5 x 9.7 weight: 7.1 lb. with both batteries, 6.3 lb. with one battery this one has 30mb ram but i dont think it would touch osX! hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Acron A5000
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:54:47PM +, Paul Grenyer wrote: As for backing up first. I thought you migth be interested to know that Risc OS is entirely ROM based and can run with or without a hard disk. So other than personal files (of which I don't have any :-) ) there is nothing to back up. :-) which is why riscOS is so flippin quick and my a3000 boots quicker than a 1.1ghz pentium :) hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Off Topic, But Thought I'd Ask - Shell Programming
On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 12:30:33PM -0800, Alex Togstad wrote: Hey! I know this is a tad off topic, so I'll make it on topic. I'm doing a bunch of shell programming on my Debian box :0) And I'm looking for any type of mailing list such as this one, but for shell scripting purposes. people round here tend to be quite gurusome... they have helped me with shell [bash] scripts so have a go -ask! hugh ps: dont ask to ask, just ask. if this is the wrong place you will be redirected by popular demand. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RH [Auto apt-get upgrade]
On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 01:52:46PM +, Richard Kimber wrote: -- Richard Kimber http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/ having fun with RH? hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop PCMCIA Ethernet Card and Wireless
On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 06:39:32PM -0500, Metnetsky wrote: I also have a PCMCIA wireless card, suggestions or links on how I might go about installing that? what is it? linux-wlan-ng, is a good place to start. [http://www.linux-wlan.com/linux-wlan/] wlan is fun:-) hugh ps: this isnt for installation but if your ever curious about what exactly is radiating through your brain... http://www.kismetwireless.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
smartctl vs cat
hello, I have a hdd which i suspect id dieing [yes i have burnt cds of any important stuf] this drive is in a windows box, so stuck in knoppix cd for diagnostics. cat /dev/hda /dev/null gives no output [no errors?] -me thought that would be a good indication that all sectors of the disk are readable. But im not convinced so tried smartctl. smarctl -x /dev/hda gives nasties such as irq timeout, status timeout, drive not ready for command, read failure, input/output error. sounds happy doesnt it! the disk can be replaced -im convinced its dead now! but why did the cat work successfully?? would i have seen errors if i hadnt directed to /dev/null? [well if i could read them fast enough while the garbage is scrolling] the prob with cat without the redirect is the beeping is far to annoying and even if i use setterm -blengh 0 before hand, the beeping starts fairly soon anyway [i guess this is to do with the random data from the hdd comin across the right escape sequence to re-enable the bell? -chances are fairly small i would have thought] i thought i should be ok as using in that context diverts the main output not standard error can anyone explain why the cat worked? thanks hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: smartctl vs cat
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 02:58:19AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Hugh Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003.03.14.0221 +0100]: can anyone explain why the cat worked? it is entirely possible that reads work fine, just that writes don't stick. so say a given byte is 0xcf and when you read it, you get 0xcf, but when you write 0x45 to it, it either remains as 0xcf or goes to something whacky like 0x9e or whatever. that makes sense, i hadnt considered that cat only tests reading. if S.M.A.R.T. says the disk is dying, get the data off. you did that. good. now get a new disk. will do! hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: woody base system
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 02:50:29PM +0200, Birzan George Cristian wrote: On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 01:06:54AM +, Hugh Saunders wrote: that is the file i was looking for, thanks. The thing that confuses me is that if debootstrap is the officially way to install debian and that uses the above file, why isnt the above file on CD1? Because debootstrap can also get the .debs from a repository, in this case, the install CD. basedebs.tar is composed by the .debs needed to install the base system, which .debs can be taken from the CD too. good, dont need to download basedebs.tar then :-) hugh [15mb is a pain over 56k] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-over cables [was Direct cable connection]
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 05:00:46PM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote: So, is there a more modern way to hotwire two boxes without the use of routers or extra file systems? Is it possible to do a straight USB to USB or NIC to NIC connection? There's something called an ethernet crossover cable, you can hookup two machines back to back with this and not need a hub. on the subject of crossover cables, do you know where you can get adapters that go on the end of normal patch cables to convert them to crossover? The reason i ask is because i only want to carry one network cable in laptop bag but would be useful to have a crossover cable sometimes.. thanks hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-over cables [was Direct cable connection]
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 02:59:23PM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote: It's somewhat pointless to have an adapter I would think since you are still going to need the male RJ-45 end on both ends. If you going to carry and adapter and a cable isn't just as easy to carry two cables? If you really want to do it, one easy way would be to butcher an existing patch cable and cut off one end and get one of the wall jack inserts for cat-5 and punch it down as a crossover. male end of Cross-over adapter Rj-45 straightthat clips on the through cable end of rj-45 cable. ______ \___ \___ \___ ___| ___| ___| / /__/ im sure i have seen one of these somewhere, just cant remember where! your idea of making one isnt bad but if the 'adapter' is gonna be a cable, as you say; i might as well just carry two cables. hugh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
